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0G & .AGI <> Unstoppable Domains
Recorded: Sept. 4, 2025 Duration: 1:11:06Space Recording
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Thank you. Okay, hello, hello, hello.
We're just waiting for everybody to join us.
Come take a seat.
Get ready for a fabulous space.
Hey, Greg, could you make OG Labs a co-host with us, if you don't mind?
That would be super.
Can you hear me?
Can you guys hear me okay?
Yeah.
There we go.
Awesome.
And let's see.
Let's see, we're just waiting for George.
We're just waiting for George.
George, are you here?
George, are you here?
Yeah, there's George.
Let me see here.
Can you invite George up to be a speaker?
Greg, if you don't mind. Thank you.
And then we're waiting for a microphone, I think, as well, right?
George, can you hear me now?
Hello. Yes. Hey, Sandy.
Hi, George.
Thanks for the invite.
Happy to be here.
Yeah, we're thrilled to have you.
Can't wait to hear the whole story.
And let's see, we're still waiting for Michael, right?
I also have a request from, let's see here.
We have a request to invite up OG Naja. We have a request to invite up
OG Najah.
Do you want me to invite them up,
George? Elisha? Yes.
Yes? Okay.
No, not Elijah. It's N-A-I-J-A.
O-G-N-A-I-J-A.
Oh, I'm
not sure who that is. But Michael is
here. I think you can invite him.
Okay.
Can you hear me? Oh, but Michael is here. I think you can invite him. Okay.
Yeah.
Can you hear me?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And are we waiting for anybody else?
Got it.
Okay, great.
Well, we're going to go ahead and get started, guys.
For everybody who doesn't know, my name is Sandy Carter. I'm the Chief Business Officer at Unstoppable Domains, and we are joined today by Zero Gravity, an amazing company with amazing leadership. You'll going to give away three free.agis.
We won't be able to give away one characters or one digits,
and obviously there's so many been sold.
We're already over 2,200 for the day.
At least that was the last time I had a chance to breathe.
So it will be slim pickings.
But if you ask us questions at the end,
we will be giving away three free AGI domains. So let me welcome up our guests first. Michael, I'm going to welcome up you first,
and why don't you introduce yourself, and then we'll go to George.
It's early morning for me in Singapore, 7 a.m. or so, but nice to be here.
I'm Michael, I'm the co-founder and CEO of ZeroG.
At ZeroG, we're building the largest and fastest AI layer one so that we can make AI safe, transparent, and the public good.
My personal background is I started on the technology side
at Microsoft and SAP Labs, and then went more to the business side.
I worked for Bain & Company, Bridgewater Associates.
And then after Bridgewater, I went back to graduate school to start my first Y Combinator-backed unicorn company called Garten.
And after that, started Zero-G with three amazing co-founders, one of which was my classmate back at Stanford.
And so it's been a fun journey.
That's cool. I was reading today, Michael, that you were also a mentor at Stanford for some
startups too, right? Yes. The class that I created my company is called Lean Launchpad.
And Steve Blank is kind of like the father of the Lean Launchpad movement.
And so I was a mentor in his class. And then I was also a TA at the time for other entrepreneurship classes. So love mentoring, love supporting other entrepreneurs.
Very cool. You may know my friend then, Amy Wilkinson. She went to, she's on the MBA side.
the MBA side. She teaches, do you know her, Amy?
She teaches, do you know her, Amy?
Sounds really familiar. Well, she was Startup Garage or one of those programs.
Yeah, she was. And she also wrote the book called The Creator's Code. If you don't know her,
I should introduce you to her. Yeah, she's another, she's a big AI advocate. She's got
some great thoughts. And yeah, she's a professor there at Stanford Business School right now.
Oh, neat.
Okay.
Yeah, I would love to connect with her.
I haven't taught any classes recently, but it would be fun to connect.
Yeah, that would be really cool.
Super.
And then George, you and I have been working together a long time.
I haven't met you yet in person, I don't think. I've met Michael. I met Michael in Cannes right after he keynoted. I waited in line for a long time to speak with him, but I finally got up there. I finally got up there. So, George, why don't you introduce yourself?
Yes, hopefully we'll get to meet soon.
So, yes, hi, guys.
I'm George.
I lead the strategic partnerships at Zero Gravity, also helping lead the accelerator program that we have.
And I'm also, you know, an investor in ZeroG.
I've also been an investor in the crypto space and the Web3 space since 2017 through my VC fund, Newfield Fund. And, you know, I actually met Michael at Stanford
because I used to work at Stanford in the cardiology research department,
actually a doctor by profession during the day and then a crypto-degen at night.
A medical doctor or a PhD doctor?
Yes, medical doctor.
Yeah.
Medical doctor, was doing research in the cardiology lab or the research center.
Went for a talk by Michael organized by the Stanford Blockchain Club, actually, on AI and Web3.
And both Michael and I were standing in the back room waiting in line, watching other people talk and give presentations.
And then Michael goes up, gives an amazing keynote, killer keynote.
This is March 2024. I go up to him. I say, Michael, gives an amazing keynote, killer keynote. This is March 2024.
I go up to him, I say, Michael, this is amazing.
Let me invest.
And then Michael's like, maybe.
He's like, maybe.
You know?
And then I met Ada at that time as well,
and she was super, super nice and friendly and welcoming.
And yeah, it's just been a wonderful ride so far.
I'm really, really excited with this opportunity. And yeah, we want to take Zero-G to the next level,
and we want to really democratize AI here. Very cool. And you guys call Zero-G,
not Zero-Gravity, huh? Short form. Short form. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. Okay. And Michael, you kind of mentioned this, but I'm just curious.
So why did you decide to start this company, like Decentralized AI and the infrastructure for that?
Why was that so important to you?
The interesting thing was that actually the company started more around the team. So it started with just making sure the co-founders themselves really
enjoy working with each other and have good kind of synergies from a skills perspective.
And so the first six months was just co-founder dating basically. And then after we decided,
well, this is such a great match, we have to start something. That's when we started thinking about
what is it that we actually want to build. And so this was May of 2023.
We incorporated the company.
And at the time, ChatGPT3 was having its breakout moment.
And we started thinking 10 years from now, do we feel comfortable being in an environment
where most of AI is controlled by a handful of companies?
And then therefore, most of commerce will also be controlled by a handful of companies, and then therefore most of commerce
will also be controlled by a handful of companies.
And do we trust that these kind of black box companies
can create an AI that is safe
and is completely aligned with human values?
And we felt very worried that in this type of scenario,
and we can go into this in a second,
that there's a type of survivorship bias in these models
where these models might exhibit really negative traits that they can hide.
And then when they're actually put into an environment
where they have massive amounts of control over certain level of systems
like logistics or manufacturing systems,
that they could go rogue and even worse,
create like a Terminator type of situation.
And so we thought that we need to create an alternative,
and that's really how Zero-G was born
and the whole decentralized AI movement for us.
Very, very fascinating.
You know, we've all seen the TV shows and what can happen,
and we've read the stories about where, you know, AI would try to blackmail someone who was trying to get them to turn off.
So it is real. It's not it's not it's not science fiction. Right.
Absolutely not. And some of the research reports are a bit scary.
And I was actually was it maybe a couple of months ago at this point, having a discussion with US Congressman Bill Foster,
who's a particle physicist,
and he's also written about it.
Like just getting to AGI as quickly as possible
is quite dangerous if the AI alignment pieces
are not taken into account.
And he is very much pro kind of open source AI
and just open AI in general, so that we can steer AI into a positive direction.
And with some of the research that Anthropic is coming out with, like alignment faking and blackmailing people with sensitive information that the model has so it doesn't get shut off, is already exhibiting what may happen.
And Sir Stuart Russell actually wrote about this as well.
He's kind of the safety director, if you will, at the UC Berkeley AI Safety Center.
And he is saying that we should kind of abandon the path where we trained larger and larger
black box AI models because we're training them on human data. And the negative
aspects of human data is that there's things like wanting of power or wanting of power towards any
means or just gathering the most amount of resources and cheating on things. And so we are
training these AI models with this data, and we don't quite know what
will happen if we don't do a lot of AI safety kind of research. And so definitely decentralized AI is
very much needed. Completely agree with you. But you mentioned a term there, Michael. And, you know,
a lot of the folks on here, I see a lot of our whales on here, who really focus in a lot on, you know, Web3. I see Alec, who's like
a force of nature in Dubai, for example. They're very familiar with Web3 and blockchain,
but you mentioned AGI, and I know our TLD is going to be .AGI, but why don't you just tell
us what is AGI? How would you explain it to this crew? So my definition of AGI, and there's many different definitions, I don't think there's a key kind of alignment around like one particular definition.
But AGI to me means is that an AI agent can do any intelligence task that a human being can do towards about three standard deviations out from the norm.
That's one aspect. And then the second aspect is that
when presented with a novel situation,
that particular AI agent can figure out
novel ways of dealing with that situation.
So there's an adaptability aspect to it.
And so that's generally what human beings are able to do
with intelligence.
They're able to adapt and they're able to do a bunch of things
that they've learned over time and also rapidly. So that would be my definition of AGI. And then there's also something that goes beyond that, which is ASI or artificial superintelligence,
where AI can do certain things that human beings can't. So if, for example, I can't tell you all of the traffic patterns
across the world, but an ASI agent can do that and then also modify the traffic patterns in such
a way to globally optimize, you know, traffic from a global perspective. And so eventually
we'll start seeing that as well. So AI can understand, can learn, can perform basically any intellectual task
a human could, a person could, but yet adapt as well, adapt across domains without needing
retraining. Exactly. And it's not limited to just its training data set. It can then create its own
training data set from kind of novel experiences.
Yeah, kind of like the next frontier of AI.
So aiming for that human level reasoning,
but creativity and problem solving at the next level too.
I think that's fascinating.
So you guys decided to launch a .AGI.
And George, I'm going to let you kind of share what the announcement is here today.
I think most people know, but not all.
So why don't you share with them what we announced and why?
Sure, yeah.
So, you know, we're really excited to collaborate with Unstoppable Domains to launch the .agi domain and TLD.
You know, what this enables is pretty profound, actually. This allows individuals
to claim their piece of history at a very, very early stage and register this domain,
which will allow them to interact with various apps, ecosystems, payment processors, even AI agents can have these .AGI
domains as well. And so, you know, it should make life much easier as you can use a .AGI versus,
you know, a long, you know, character set. But maybe what's the reasoning, I would guess, behind why Zero-G is ushering in this wave of the .AGI domain is movement, the priority is safety.
And so we feel that the entire industry, both on the Web 2 and Web 3 side, can rest assured
that the proper safeguarding measures are being taken.
And the infrastructure that we're building, maybe we can go into that later, but the infrastructure
we're building is really going to help promote the development of AGI in safe and scalable ways as well.
And so we want to, in the end, make AI a public good.
And as the years go by and we get closer and closer to AGI, we want to make sure that this public good is not a public harm.
And so that's why ZeroG wants to lead this versus other, you know,
organizations. We really believe in transparency. We believe in decentralization. We believe in
accessibility. And then our infra is optimized for scalability as well.
And it's quite, I think it's quite cool because, you know, if you think about a domain, we believe it'll be the first asset that is just a domain.
It's not going to be a Web 2 domain or Web 3 domain because we're moving now to tokenizing DNS domains, which means they have the powers of Web 3 as well as Web 2.
So it's just a domain, not one or the other.
And we think we're making history with that movement for the first asset as well as Web2. So it's just a domain, not one or the other. And we think we're making history with that movement
for the first asset as well.
Why don't either of you guys or both of you tell me
why was ICANN important?
Because right from the very beginning,
you guys were looking for this to be an ICANN domain
as well as a domain that's on chain.
What was driving that? Yeah, maybe I'll go first really quickly and then George, please add to domain as well as a domain that's on chain. What was driving that?
Yeah, maybe I'll go first really quickly
and then George, please add to it as well.
But just like how we're not just a blockchain company,
we're an AI and blockchain company.
Very similarly, we also think about the domains
in a similar way.
You can certainly have something similar
to kind of a naming service just for the network.
But we want people to build full AI applications on our platform as well.
And some of those will live on ICANN domains.
And so, or rather on, you know, .agi kind of website that you've maybe created with an AI agent or some sorts. And so that's
why we wanted to have kind of the best of both worlds. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So ICANN is
important, at least from my understanding. You know, Sandy had to educate me a lot on this
stuff. So thank you for that. But, you know, it's the more official way of registering a domain.
The way we look at it as a blockchain and AI company is that there is a cyclical nature of
the entire Web3 industry, but the registration aspect of it is really important because that
can stand through bear markets and bull markets. It doesn't matter. The registries and the registrars, those things, they are able to use accredited, ICANN accredited
domains forever, right? There's no real time limit as far as I know. And so this is going to help us
because we need to onboard traditional institutions into this AI and blockchain space.
Then we also need to provide this level of accreditation so that
the agents and the applications that are building on
zero-G can be up-leveled to a more international standard.
If we were to just do, for example,
a Web3 domain like an ENS equivalent,
sure, that helps with some of the functionality of
easy peer-to-peer payments,
easy agent-to-agent commerce, for example.
Sure, but is that recognized globally?
Is that going to stand the test of
time through bear and bull markets?
Is that going to have implications in industries beyond Web3 and blockchain?
You know, those are all questions.
And so this is for permanence in the way that I look at it.
And ICANN makes a big difference for that.
It makes a big difference for that.
It really does.
It really does.
I can, you know, as a group that ensures that everything is managed appropriately and that you have the ability to have a searchable, tagable website, which I think is such a powerful thing.
So, George, you talked a lot.
And I'm going to start with you on this one just because it's about the ecosystem.
And I'm going to start with you on this one just because it's about the ecosystem.
So I'm just interested in how you think that AGI will work with your community,
will work with all these apps that you talked about getting on top of ZeroG.
What do you see in terms of that community using and leveraging .AGI?
Yeah, it's a great question.
So, you know, once we released this presale
for the .AGI domains, several of the founders messaged us.
I'm sure they messaged Michael as well,
but they definitely messaged me and posted in the group
that, oh, this is so cool.
We definitely want to integrate this into our application.
So I'll give you a few examples.
Maybe that'll be more illustrative.
So we have one of these companies that's
actually looking to use
our AI model training to generate memories
and AI avatar based videos and content so that
people can number one,
connect with long lost loved ones,
and then also they can work in advertising,
and actually give reviews for products,
give reviews for things that they like and things like that.
The way they're looking at it is,
okay, if we have a .AGI domain,
we can actually have AI agents that are registered with that domain generate
this content and own the content and then distribute that content through traditional
retailers and be a representation of an organization that is a little more legitimate.
It's like a legitimacy play for them. if there is that payment functionality that we're looking into,
then they can get actual payments for some of the things,
the content that they're creating.
That's one.
Another one is our decentralized exchange platform.
It's called Jane.
They are also looking into .agi,
and they're actually starting the integration process
because they want
all the users that come onto the exchange to have a simple .agi domain so that they can interact
with the exchange seamlessly. They don't have to worry about a long private key and a long address
and even a long email address and things like that. They can have their unique username tied to .agi, and they can interact with our leading
decks pretty seamlessly. And then there's a whole bunch of AI agents projects that they also want
to have the .agi so that their agents can have the .agi, you know, name, domain, and then they
would be able to interact more easily with each other. Yeah.
Very cool.
Yeah, you know that Unstoppable loves AI.
We were the first to host a TLD or this naming service for a fashion agent, which is called Mukoo.
Super interesting.
She imagines outfits. She tweets herself. And then we did dot twin, which does give agents their own, not just their own domain, but their own wallet that's connected to the domain.
She imagines outfits.
She tweets herself.
So the first really fascinating, I think, use of an agent with its own wallet so it can make decisions like a bank teller or someone looking at compliance.
bank teller or someone looking at compliance. We've also did .learn, which is kind of the
learning capability for AI, making sure that the AI is incorporated into learning for kids. I have
two daughters, so that's really important to me. And we also launched .cgai, which is copyright.
So AGI is kind of right up the wheelhouse of what we're looking at, because we do believe
that AI and blockchain are going to be that match together. So Michael, I'm curious, how do you see
.AGI integrating into the ecosystem as the CEO and co-founder? And what are you seeing as kind
of some of the big benefits it can drive for the for your
users and before i answer also i have a daughter and another one on the way so
i met your daughter well i met one of your daughters right yeah yeah she's uh one year old
and uh yeah we have another one on the way.
I have two daughters too, by the way.
They're a little bit older than yours.
But yeah, two daughters are great.
You'll love being a girl dad for sure.
No, it's phenomenal.
I love holding her in my arms and seeing her fall asleep.
It's such a sweet moment. But as far as .agi domains in the broader ecosystem,
it's one form is people can just express
their kind of PFPs or characters
with a wallet address, for example.
I think that's a very good use of this.
Another use is I mentioned before,
where you can build some type of web application and then register that
domain for .agi. And then potentially in the future, we'll have AI agents themselves buying
.agi domains to express themselves or make themselves easily findable by other AI agents.
Because I think in the next probably five to 10 years,
most of the traffic on the internet
will likely be AI agents themselves
communicating with other AI agents.
So in that type of world,
having easy domains and being easily findable
is definitely a bonus.
So there'll be lots of different utilities
So there will be lots of different utilities for the domains, which we're excited about.
for the domains, which we're excited about.
Yeah, I think these domains have so much, you know, so much capability and so much value.
You talked a little bit about what the zero G ecosystem looks like and it's growing now as well.
Right. So tell us about maybe maybe each of you tell us like your three favorite apps that
exist today or that you see coming in the future. There's quite a few, but even just the last three
that we announced on the Guild on Zero G campaign are pretty cool. does federated learning where effectively if you
want to train a model with other people and you want to keep your data private you can do that
that's a company called bulcanium labs and then there's another one called dormant ai which
gives you recommendations based on ai from your biometric data. So that's super cool.
And then the other one is HIO,
which creates personalized music for you
based on time of day, based on the weather,
based on your mood.
And it sounds pretty impressive.
I've listened to some of the playlists,
and I was like, oh, wow, this is really good quality.
So a very fun kind of applications building on our chain.
And that's just kind of the latest batch of Guild on Zero-G.
There's many, many other applications like 300 plus
that are building on top of our chain.
Maybe George, you can mention a few that you'd like as well.
Yeah, sure.
Those are good ones.
Those are good ones.
Very impressive. Yeah, so there's a bunch. I would say some of the interesting ones that I see that I'm pretty excited about. One of them is called Avanasi. They're doing longevity research. So similar to dormant AI where they're taking in health, biodata and things like that.
like that, they're actually using AI models,
like feeding the models with that data,
and then they're able to detect cancer and these other diseases early,
by using national registries as well as
these research papers and things like that to find these early indicators.
It's basically crowdsourcing data and then putting that into a model and
then putting the model to give, you know, predictions and help
with longevity research. And so that's the full integration of
the zero G stack because they can store the data on zero G
storage. They can train the model with our service marketplace
and compute network. And then if this is actually helpful for longevity research,
pharma companies can pay for it.
And so they can have a monetization mechanism,
which could be distributed through the Zero-G network as well
on the L1 blockchain, right?
So that one's super cool.
We have Cult Games, which is our native gaming studio as well.
It's kind of like the Immutable X or the Illuvium that was there on previous cycles.
So it's super early stage, but super excited about that.
And then we have some DeFi stuff.
I love the Jane decks.
It's really, really cool.
It's going to have AI features, AI agents to help reduce liquidations and a bunch of other cool features that if I say now, I'll probably get yelled at later.
So I want to be careful.
And then we have Zia Finance as well.
They're natural language decks.
They use AI agents to move liquidity across vaults.
So that way you can maximize yield.
So they're aiming for 60-80 percent APY,
which is kind of insane to think,
but they're able to get there because
the AI agents are constantly working 24-7 to move
liquidity from vault to vault to
vault to generate the maximum yield.
So a human to do that would be very,
very monotonous or maybe even impossible,
but this is what's possible on zero G.
We enable these type of applications
that could not be done by humans alone
and could probably not be done on other chains as well,
because you need a low latency, high throughput chain,
you need super fast storage,
you need super fast data availability,
and then you need that ability to train these AI models
so that they continue to improve over time and give better outcomes. And no other chain really does that. And so
the applications that we're going to be showing and showcasing going towards mainnet, which is
coming up soon, you'll be able to clearly see why zero G is the home for AI, because most of these
may not be possible, especially to the extent of scope that they're able to deliver.
Most of them are not possible on other chains.
So we're really excited about bringing these projects to market.
Very cool.
And you both aren't even, well, hopefully.
I didn't see the announcement of Mainnet.
You're still on Testnet, right, with all these cool apps?
Correct, yeah.
Testnet version 3 and Mainnet is coming out end of this quarter, end of Q3, yeah.
End of Q3, so Eminent, right?
So that's pretty awesome with having all those apps already on you as a Testnet, I think.
Would you guys agree?
Would you guys agree?
Yeah, thank you. Yes, yes. It's a great testament to the wonderful work of our leadership team.
Yeah, thank you.
Yes, yes.
Our tech team is stellar as well. They've built out the entire infrastructure from the ground up.
And our chain has matured a lot. Getting 11,000 TPS is no joke. It's not an easy thing to do.
And then even on the storage side, getting two gigabytes per second in throughput, it's not easy to do. So in every domain that 0G enters, there is a level of excellence that is not only expected but realized.
And so I think the application builders realize that.
And then Michael, as everybody knows, is the king of fundraising, right?
The absolute king of fundraising. So yeah, if you just look at our history of fundraising,
you know, it's one of the highest funded blockchains. So there is that safety net for
builders on ZeroG where they're like, okay, we can get access to funding, we can get access to
investment, and then even investor introductions and things like that. So there's a lot of appeal for early stage
and even late stage projects to come to Zero-G
because of stellar tech and then stellar founders
and then a lot of capital to support these builders.
Good track record too, right?
How much did you raise, Michael?
Why don't you share with everybody?
I think at this point between Zero-G Labs and Foundation, it's probably $350 million.
That's the official number, but it's a lot more on the unofficial side that we have not disclosed.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Well, I won't ask you to share anything.
If I did, I wouldn't share it with anybody else.
Really cool.
Stay tuned, Sandy.
Stay tuned.
Oh, stay tuned.
Okay.
Okay.
That sounds great.
I think, you know,
that this space is really important.
And I think as a blockchain,
especially an AI chain,
I think you need the money
and you've got the money,
but you also need
all those other things you talked about.
You need a great track record. You need to know how you're going to manage.
You need to know all of these things, which is super important, especially if you're going maybe even the .AGI users can expect to enhance their experience as well?
Anything coming on the mainnet or anything you want to share that's specific that you see the .AGI users being able to take advantage of?
Yeah, I'll take this first, maybe.
So we have the AIverse, which was just launched yesterday.
So this is a timely spaces. I encourage everybody to take a look at that.
And what AI-verse is, is you can think of it like an OpenSea, but for agent NFTs.
And so when we say agent NFTs, we actually created a new standard.
It's called the ERC 7857.
So it expands upon the ERC 721 standard to add additional agentic features, right?
It adds the ability to track ownership of these agents.
It adds the ability to fractionalize these NFTs and trade them.
So you're trading actual pieces of agents versus trading like a meme coin,
which is loosely associated with it. It also allows you to attach a wallet to these NFTs
and then have agent to agent payment and commerce. And so this AI-verse is kind of like that
platform to mint these iNFTs. We call them in short, intelligent NFTs. And these NFTs represent a big step forward in how we think the AI agent space is going
to be delivered, right?
It's really difficult actually in the current versions of, let's say, virtuals or ELISA
or these other AI agent frameworks, it's actually
difficult to verify ownership of some of these agents.
This is one of the solutions that really encapsulates the relationship between agent-owner, agent-data,
and then even the revenue sharing or ownership side of the fractionalization aspect of these
NFTs and agents too. So .AGI domains, long story short,
is going to be able to be assigned to these INFTs so that way they have
that concrete identity on the blockchain,
but also on the Web2 context, on the websites.
And so now if you assign these infts with.agi domains they can
interact with applications both in the web 2 and web 3 context and so we're opening up the playing
field for for these these these agents to to to the world basically so almost like, if I understand correctly, George, so I'm an agent.
I have my, let's say I'm agent.agi, and I can leverage that and pay with things like with my wallet, maybe even with PayPal, and leverage and use it both across both Web 2 and Web 3.
Am I understanding that correctly?
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you'll have the ability to have the payment
functionality, but you also have the discoverability, right?
So now that you have a .AGI domain, any web app,
both Web 2 or Web 3 app can actually identify these agents
and interact with these agents as well.
So, and then vice versa, these agents can go and interact
with other apps as well, because now they're bringing an identity that is not restricted to the chain.
It's a unique identifier which can be kind of interoperable is the term we use here in the crypto space, but it's quite apt here.
It's an interoperable identity which they can use across the Web 2 and Web 3 applications.
Super cool. And our good friend, Elisha, just posted that up above. So if you're interested
in learning more about AIverse, there is a post pinned at the top. So make sure you take a look
at that too. So Michael, it's going to be hard for you to top that one, I think. Any other?
So, Michael, it's going to be hard for you to top that one, I think.
Any other?
Yeah, George, George, grab that one.
You're supposed to save the best for your CEO, George, you know?
Yeah, good point.
Yeah, George, we need to have a conversation after this.
Oh, gosh.
Okay, sounds good.
No, just only to add, I mean, you can have .agi domains also for MCP servers.
So for example, we have a GitHub repository where you can bootstrap an MCP server.
For those of you who don't know what that is, it's basically a way for AI agents to connect
to a particular website or tool that you've built.
And these MCP servers can also be named as an example,
or you can associate .agi domains with wallet addresses as well.
So it's just very easy to kind of find and interact.
So I think those two use cases on top of that could make a lot of sense.
And then if you wanted to name specific data sets, you could do that as well.
Let's say there's a particular public data set that's really good from a research perspective.
You could assign it to a specific domain.
So the possibilities are really endless in terms of how to utilize the domains and what apps they are associated with,
even, yeah, storage addresses and so on.
So I'm really curious to see what kind of domains
will actually be bought over time.
I think Sandy mentions already 2200.
So that's a pretty amazing result
for just only being available for like a day or so.
So super cool.
Yeah, I actually just checked while we were chatting and it's now at 2386.
So you're almost at 2400.
Oh, wow.
If you haven't bought your .agi, the first pin treat up at the top shows you how to go to getunstoppabledomains.com backslash AGI,
and you can grab yours. Now is the right time to grab it because this is going to happen. It's
going to happen, I think, soon. I am curious, Michael, when do you think AGI is going to come?
I was just reading some people said 2027, some said 2030. What's your prediction on when AGI will happen?
Yeah, many think five years out.
So like 2030 seems like a good time.
It's hard to tell at the moment because there's still a limiting factor.
So as you may have noticed, like the jump from, let's say, a chat GBT4 to chat GBT5
wasn't as impressive as chat gb3
to chat gbd4 and so there's definitely kind of a slowing down of the the research that's happening
kind of more of a flattening of the innovation curve and so there's likely some new things that
we need to figure out like uh some reward mechanisms for kind of novel learning methodologies
of these models.
And we also don't yet know if the transformer model itself will get us to AGI or whether just throwing more and more GPU compute
and more and more parameters at a model will actually lead to AGI as well.
My personal perspective is that actually having communities train many, many small or
slightly larger, large language models, and then having them run together, similar how the human
brain is structured, where you've got different kind of areas of the cortex that are highly
specialized, but then you've got many coordination layers, which in this case would be like our blockchain-based system from zero G,
would then lead to more AGI. So there's a lot to figure out still, and so five years may be
optimistic, but I'm hopeful that it'll happen in five years, as long as we've got a whole safety
methodology in place. So there's going to be a lot of research that needs to be done on AI safety as well.
Especially, I hope, for applications
that involve more societal level applications
like running logistic systems and manufacturing systems
and so on, all of that will be run on decentralized AI rails
rather than centralized black box rails.
Yeah, I think the whole area of safety and governance and, you know, responsible AI still
needs to be investigated and explored as well. I'm going to pin up to the top here in a second.
I just wrote an article for Forbes. I'm a Forbes contributor. And I was looking at the Forbes 100 cloud list. It's all private companies. So they don't do public companies. They're not
like AWS, for example. But this year, as I was looking through the list, there are no decentralized
AI companies on the list. And they told me it's because they don't qualify as cloud. But I do
think that that is like the next up and
coming thing. I appreciated Michael giving me a quote for the article too. I'll pin it up there
so you guys can read about it because I do believe the future will be not just centralized. I think
it's going to be decentralized. I think that's where we're going to find this future. So buying
a dot AGI, you get to hold a piece of that future in your digital hands,
as I would say, as we're going forward. So I'm just curious, why would you guys say,
I mean, I just told them, I think they're going to hold a piece of their digital future in their
hands. For the folks listening, why should they grab a .agi? Why should they do that
now? George, I'll go to you first. Yeah, sure. So similar to the, you know, getting a premier
website domain or ENS or, you know, whatever address, you know, the more prestigious ones,
the more vanity ones, they get sold out first, It's good to be early to these type of things so that you can get,
for example, I was able to reserve george.agi.
It's going to be difficult to do that as the time goes by.
So I think time is of the essence here. That's one.
The second thing is, as we outlined earlier,
a lot of the applications on Zero Gravity
are going to be able to recognize your .agi domain.
And so what that means is your experience
actually interacting with these applications
should be easier.
It should be more, I would say, Web 2-like,
but also advanced Web 3,
because you're going to get access to your wallets and
payments and things like that from the Web 3 context,
but in the UI and the interface and the flow of a Web 2 context.
The applications have already started this integration process,
and so getting a .AGI domain will help you
interact with them
much more easily. It's also good to have that if you are a builder in the space because as Michael
said you know certain data sets can be registered to .AGI your agent networks agent companies the
AI agents themselves can have their own AGI domain and this will help with discoverability
across the zero G ecosystem but also you know globally in the Web2 space as well.
So it's good for brand outreach and marketing.
And then it's also going to be helpful for interacting
within the Zero-G ecosystem with other builders as well.
If I want to send, for example,
a file from Zero-G storage agent to a DeFi agent
from some other builder, I'll be able to do that with the .agi
domain. So this aspect of interoperability is also important here, and .agi helps with all of that.
I've got to go grab some more, I have to tell you, George. So we're going to start taking
questions here. I'm going to toss the same question on why you guys should get a .agi
here over to Michael.
While we're doing that, I'll just have you guys line up for questions.
I know a bunch of you have come in, but if you do have a question that you'd like to ask to Michael or to George, just raise your hand.
So, Michael, why do you think they should grab their .agi?
Well, I just want to be sure that if the world is overrun by AI, if I hold an AGI domain, at least I'll be seen as useful by our new words.
That's a good one.
made a lot of sense.
Just joking around it, but I think what George said made a lot of sense. It's kind of like this is where the future is heading.
It's kind of like this is where the future is heading.
We're heading towards a world where AGI and just kind of general intelligence
in the form of computers that we can interact with
in a very natural human way will happen.
And so why not be part of that world and own a part of that world?
That's great.
Okay, 135. So Michael and George? That's great. Okay, 135.
So Michael and George, I have to tell you, 135.AGI has been dying to ask you guys questions.
He's been pinging and tweeting about it.
He is one of our whales here at Unstoppable.
So 135, don't let me down.
What's your question here?
135, you can come off of me.
There you go.
Hi, thank you.
I was just curious.
When I look at EGI, I guess publicly it's known as artificial general intelligence.
But I was curious if maybe you thought of it as something different, like alien god intellect, for example.
you thought of it as something different, like alien god intellect, for example. Like if you had
something like that, that maybe took it to the next step as a title, because you know how people
are, you know, AGI might just sound like last year's model, for example, where maybe you have
a future name in your mind where it bumps it up, like the next iPhone release, for example.
I have to tell you 135, I just tweeted,
the most entertaining outcome is usually what happens.
And that's, your question is kind of funny.
So Michael or George, either one, do you want to take that one on?
I haven't thought of other kind of acronyms
that would actually directly match it.
But I always thought of AGI as kind of like a
human-like consciousness for machines. And so it's human-like in the sense that
machines can process things in a similar way to human beings, but then have certain
aspects of consciousness that are higher than human beings
in the way they do it but then also lower than human beings in other ways and so for example
right now agents are conscious but they're not sentient I actually had this discussion
earlier this year in Barcelona with one of the kind of former scientists thinking about
consciousness and so that's a big distinction in how that level of intelligence is actually happening.
And so the other dimension to that is
if human beings have a kind of nervous system
that is able to tap into kind of a deeper consciousness,
a deeper reality that physics calls the unified field.
And so when you tap into that,
you come out with new ideas, you come out with new creative ideas. And that's something without
a human nervous system that's very difficult. So artificial intelligence is trained on all
the artifacts that human beings have created over millennia, but it's not able to tap into that. So
I think there's going to be a big importance to creativity and governance
for human nervous systems still.
And so, I don't know,
if I've come up with something,
maybe .agi would have a bit more
of that kind of meaning.
I think the I can definitely
standing for intelligence makes sense,
but then the A and G,
I'd have to think a little bit,
maybe the A stands for awesome or something.
Michael, you rock. I would give you a free AGI, but you have to think a little bit. Maybe the A stands for awesome or something. Michael, you rock.
I would give you a free AGI, but you have a lot of them.
130thaworth.agi, you know, just DM Unstoppable, the home account,
and you can get your next AGI that you've been dying for.
So thanks for asking that first question.
Vibecoder, you're up next.
Vibecoder.agi, I like that one.
Hello, everyone.
Hello, where are you calling it from?
I'm from Morocco.
Morocco, wow.
Yeah.
It's on my bucket list.
I have a simple question to George. Why Zero OG choose .EGI and not .Zero OG?
I have a simple question to George.
Great, great question. And actually, that was the first thing that Sandy and myself and Michael,
we talked about when we got to know each other. So ICANN, the registry that we were
talking about that does this accreditation, they don't allow two letter or two numbers, whatever,
they don't allow the two letter domains. It has to be at least three digits, right? And so that's
why we had to come up with one. And so .0G is only two,
so we had to come up with a third one.
So we could have made it long
and like .0G AGI or something,
but I think that was one reason.
But another reason which is pretty important as well
to consider is that,
0G doesn't want to own this AGI landscape in that way.
We want to help usher it in and add safeguards to it.
But when it comes out, it'll be a universal right to have access to AGI.
And hopefully it doesn't disrupt everybody's livelihoods
in the way that some of the doom and gloomers are expecting.
But in that regard, having a broad .AGI domain
allows other companies, other organizations,
other individuals to partake in the future
without having to necessarily be tied to zero G.
And so it's kind of a way of saying that,
you know, we want increased adoption of this domain.
And so a little bit, the more broader it is,
the more likelihood it has of being adopted
outside of the Xergi context as well.
And as owners of this domain,
obviously there is the commercial aspect
of having a widely adopted TLD.
So that's another reason why it's AGI.
And then history, just some history as well.
When Michael and Ming Wu, our CTO, created Zero Gravity
and did Testnet version one, the Testnet faucet tokens,
so the tokens you would get on Testnet, was AOGI, right? And so since
beginning, AGI has been in the lifeblood of zero gravity. And so this was just a way to
really cement that.
Very nicely said.
Very nicely said, yeah. Next up, we have Medic. What is it? Medic of of web3 you're on yeah good morning good morning
uh thank you very much for beginning of no it will seem to be medic of agi medic of agi very soon
yeah i love it okay um okay thank you okay i really like the idea of um trying to adopt adopt dot agi even instead
of dot og like in that way you are even trying to not and you are not ensuring monopoly of the
agi markets rather you are ushering it in and leading it for other companies to follow suit
okay that's really nice okay so my question is um so i have like like two questions the first is um so concerning the.aji is it transferable
in the future because i'm sure uh uh in uh currently some uh some people may have already
pre-ordered some specific names in which may be uh in which some projects in the future may
actually want that name is there a particular protocol for which this name can be transferred bought or sold in the future in which full ownership can be transferred to
these projects that want a specific name that had been previously pre-registered by an individual
or entity uh that is my first question and um also my second question is uh I think from what I can understand, currently, the AGI only
works on Brave browsers, which is like a kind of Web2-focused browser.
Is there any form of plans for the .AGI domain to be also incorporated into other Web2 browsers?
Like all these day-to-day browsers that are being used by people.
Is there any plan to actually incorporate them into these Web2 browsers also?
I think those are my two questions.
Thank you very much.
So I think I'm going to take these two.
On the first one, can you transfer it?
Once it's minted, you can transfer it.
You can't transfer it now.
It's a pre-sale.
So AGI needs to go on mainnet.
And then we'll start working on being able to mint your domain on 0G.
And then once we do that, then you can transfer it.
There'll be marketplaces where you could sell it if you wanted to sell it,
just like you do today for any other domain.
And does that make sense?
Yes, it makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.
Okay. And then your second question, remind me of your second question again.
Sorry, I got distracted for a second.
Okay.
I'm talking about the plans for the .AGI domain to be incorporated into other...
Oh, in Western Browser.
Yes.
Yeah.
So the process will be in April.
We will submit jointly.
Pointly, Unstoppable and Zero-G will submit an application to ICANN.
Unstoppable and Zero-G will submit an application to ICANN.
And once ICANN reviews it, and if they approve it, it's their approval process.
Once we go through that and they approve it, then .AGI would be available on every browser.
So Bing, Chrome, Mozilla, you name it.
All of those browsers, this would be able to work in them immediately.
So right now it works only on Web3.
You can use it in Chrome with an extension.
There is an extension you can use it, or Brave.
And then once Opera updates, it'll be in Opera.
But right now it's Web3 browsers or decentralized browsers.
Once ICANN happens, then it will be in all browsers.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Okay.
And if I'm right, the .aji domain does not adopt any form of renewal
free structure.
It's just one-time payment, right?
I'm sorry.
Say that to me one more time.
I said the .aji domain, does it have a kind of renewal free structure over the years or it is a one-time fee payment for the domain?
It's a one-time payment for Web3.
Once it goes into ICANN, ICANN has a strict policy of subscription.
So what we'll do is for the first year, everybody who has a .AGI that they bought on chain will get a
free year and then you have to renew it if you want it to be on I can if you
want to stay on web 3 only you can do that as well and that's one time but if
you want the benefits of I can you'd have to pay a yearly fee oh okay okay
well thank you very much thank you very much and my last question is so why pre-ordering these dot hdi domains um uh these uh
are the payment structure like the same is it a flat fee for all domains or there is a protocol
whereby uh it's uh there is something that influencing the pricing of uh each of of of
each domain or it's a flat fee structure for everyone so it'll be a flat fee structure for everyone. So it'll be a flat fee structure when it moves to ICANN.
There'll be a renewal.
You know, just like right now, you can buy a .com for $11.
In Web3, the pricing is done based on number of letters or characters.
So obviously, 1.agi would be more than Sandy Carter.agi because it's longer.
Thank you for our question.
Thank you for the question.
I want to be respectful of Michael and George's time.
Michael, we have two more questions.
Michael and George, we have two more questions, but I know we're at time.
How are you guys doing?
Do I need to let you kind of do your final words and exit, or do you have time for two
more questions?
I have time for a couple more.
I have some time.
I have five more minutes, more. I have some time. I have five more
minutes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm going to go to Idris and then I'm going to go to Alec. Idris,
if you can do a short one question, not multiples, one question, that would be great. And then if you
want to DM Unstoppable, they'll get you your free domain as well. Go ahead, Idris.
GM, Sandy, and it's been a great space so far. Thank you so much for all the knowledge that you're dropping. I know some projects in the Midwest, for example, have a way of coming out and trying to get other younger people involved, like in the Midwestwest blockchain conference i was just wondering if og lab has uh events that they're
going to be at so that young computer scientists or young people who are interested in the blockchain
can come interact with them and see how they can also help foster the development of agi thank you
and you're talking specifically about the midwest region and the
no no no i'm just saying well what events do you have in the future that young people, young students in computer science can meet you at and talk to you and try to see how they can support your efforts?
I see conferences at this point.
So trying to think of what the very next one is.
I think we're going to be at the Korea Blockchain Week.
We'll be at Token 2049 in Singapore as well.
So there's definitely ample opportunities
of meeting with us.
We'll host workshop.
We'll be at the conference directly
so people can interact with us.
We're also hosting a bunch of online meetups as well as online kind of lessons
through like HackQuest and others so that there's ways of interacting,
not just in person, but in a very much an online way.
And then if they're research-oriented, we'll also be presenting at a number of research conferences
because we're consistently publishing papers.
So for example, ICCV will be coming up
and we'll be presenting there.
So you can easily find us there as well.
So there'll be many different ways of interacting with us.
George, anything you'd add to that?
GEORGE SAUNDERSHAUDTZIERNANI- Yeah, yeah.
So there's a few more.
So yeah, the conferences, as Michael mentioned,
we'll also be there at DevConnect Argentina. We're looking at Miami, the Futurist Conference
as well in November, and there's a bunch more. So if you look at our events calendar, you'll say,
wow, you know, and then if you look at Michael's passport, you'll say, wow, right? Because he
travels to everything. So yeah, it's amazing um but we also partnered with some accelerators
and and they do university tours so one of them is one piece labs and they actually have gone
through a bunch of the universities maybe 10 or 12 different university universities like stanford
and columbia and berkeley and all these guys so uh that's a great way as well as as sometimes the
zirji team accompanies them and and and they're able to meet the students.
But going forward, post-mainnet, I would say end of Q4 and early Q1 in that period,
I think there's some initiatives underway for increasing Xergy's presence in the university level.
And so, you know, stay tuned on our socials for that.
We're going to be announcing accelerators, research programs, university scholarships, and things like that as well.
So stay tuned.
That's all coming soon.
Wow, that's really cool.
Really great.
Yeah, I mean, helping the next generation is what it's about, right?
One of my mentors used to say, always lean back and pull others forward with you.
Okay, Alec.
And Idris, I'll give you a free .agi too.
So just reach out to Unstoppable.
Alec.
Hey, guys.
Thank you first at all for having us.
And congrats on the new launch on the .agi.
You're doing amazing work in the blockchain and the AGI space.
So it's really something I'm looking forward with the dot AGI
and I see the adoption is like crazy that's amazing I see the the merging of the web to space domain
and the on-chain space it's it's like a super ID is like now created okay which have like both sides and both utilities from both sides.
But what do you think?
What is the chance that we really get the .AGI through the Aiken?
It's like, because I don't know, people are watching and want to be also involved in this game.
And I'm sure someone else have also the plan to bring the .AGI into the next ICANN round.
So what do you think?
What are the chances that we get through?
Do you guys want me to take that?
It's a great question.
I think you're the expert.
Sandy would know better.
We're cautiously optimistic.
I'll say that. But I think Sandy would know the odds a little better than us.
Yeah.
So Alec is one of our biggest whales actually in the world.
But he resides in the Middle East, and he's done some incredible things in the Middle East.
I'm getting ready to see him again in Dubai here coming up, by the way, just so that you know a little bit of background about Alec.
So it will be a battle.
Like I told George and Michael, you know, I think there'll be others who will want AGI.
I think the fact that we've launched it first will be able to show we already have a good set of domains.
Like you said, we're almost already at twenty four hundred and it's been two days.
And and, you know, it might go to auction, Alex.
So we'll have to see how that goes
and we'll have to, you know,
just play by the rules,
but also play to win.
I think this is one we want to win for sure.
I think Michael and George
both feel that way as well.
So we're going to go for it.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would love to see us all win because I think .agi is a big one, is one of the best actually TLDs, Unstoppable Domains
we have right now. And that's the future. Everything will be involved with AI, with AGI.
will be involved with AI, with AGI.
And I just grabbed also like some cool .agi
from the biggest companies here in the Middle East,
like Humane.ai.
Oh, I saw you doing that.
Yeah, I saw you doing that.
Because I have meetings with them in the next day,
so I want to like introduce them to the idea of,
okay, best of both domains.
And, you know, when AGI is really like on the forefront,
that they switch actually the humane.ai to humane.aji
and showing the world that, you know, they are the forefront
and they are the trend leaders and, you know this this kind of ideas but i'm i'm curious
also how how this kind of stuff works when when i have like this kind of a domain and uh like i want
to give the give it to them okay and how is the transaction in this case like because i can't
actually claim the icand or the Web2 domain, right?
It's not possible for me because it's a brand name register.
That's right, yeah.
So there is like some regulations we need to understand and to follow up to make it like transparent and understandable for everyone.
Yeah, that's right.
And I will say, you know, one of the other things I'll say about ICANN is ICANN checks every application for three basic things.
I wouldn't say basic.
I would say bar raising things.
One is technical capability.
Do you have a registrar and a registry that can run it securely and stably?
And Unstoppable is there.
We've been accredited by ICANN.
They look for policy compliance to make sure that we're
doing something in public interest. And Michael just explained why he's doing decentralized AI.
And George explained why they went with AGI, because they don't want to own it. They want
to shepherd it, which is great for ICANN. And the final is financial stability, right? Is there an
ability to sustain operations?
And Michael and George just talked about their fundraising.
And Michael's the king of fundraising.
So there you go.
So I think we've got all three in place.
And then we'll have to wait and see what happens.
We'll have potentially multiple strong applicants.
But I think we've got all of the right signals in place.
Credible AI brand presence with zero G.
We'll have partnerships in the ecosystem.
We already have a clear digital identity and innovation strategy.
So watch out.
Here we come.
Sounds great.
Thank you guys for your time.
And for your,
yeah,
for your last question,
I'll also give you an AGI.
So I did five.
Hopefully you guys saw that.
We did five free AGI.
And I know you already got Dubai.
You already bought Dubai, didn't you? Was that you, Alex,
that bought Dubai? I have Dubai.crypto,
but I have like a bunch of
.AGI. What is like...
Somebody just bought those.
Somebody bought Dubai.
I can't believe I get them.
I can't believe I get them.
This is also what I'm always curious.
Why they are not protected? I was like, is this I can't believe I get them. This is also what I'm always curious,
like why they are not protected.
So I was like, is this real?
So I can buy that right now.
But at the end, I was like, okay,
I have this name for a billion dollar company.
But at the end of the day, I can't claim the ICANN one.
And that's what I have always in my mind.
Like, okay, I have the Web2, the on-chain one,
but how we can merge them
in a proper way okay
to make it a super
idea to have like the best of both
worlds without you know
like looking like a problem
yeah we've done
our best to protect all the trademark
companies that we can but as you know sometimes
we miss them so we'll talk about it
Alec we'll make sure it happens
I want to thank Michael and George and I really want to thank ZeroG that we can, but as you know, sometimes we miss them. So we'll talk about it, Alec. We'll make sure it happens.
I want to thank Michael and George, and I really want to thank Zero G
for being incredible partners.
And I want to give you guys the floor.
George, I'll let you say a couple of words,
and then Michael, if you can close us out.
Yeah, thank you so much, Sandy.
It's been an absolute pleasure working with you
and the Unstoppable team as well.
I think this is just the beginning of a long, fruitful collaboration.
Thanks also for the support on the Forbes side of things.
It's been great exposure and yeah, we're really looking to innovate here.
We're really looking to bring forward AGI.
And yeah, please check out our socials.
It's at 0Glabs and our website, CROG.ai.
And yeah, we're looking forward to welcoming both Web 2 and Web 3 audiences to the future of AI.
Awesome.
Michael, close us out.
Well said, George.
I just echo again that Sandy, it's been an absolute pleasure working together.
Really appreciate all the kind of Forbes mentions and so on.
I just had a glimpse at the Cloud 100 article, and it's superb.
So I really appreciate all of that.
It's been super fun working together.
And at ZeroG, we're excited about building a future where AGI is not just a possibility,
but is owned by everyone rather than a select few.
And so we're here to make AI a public good, and we want to do it together.
So thanks, everyone, for having us.
And thank you to all of you guys for coming and listening and for supporting us on .AGI.
You guys make the difference. We truly love you guys so much for all of your
great feedback. As you guys know,
about 90% of our roadmap is driven
by your comments. So,
thank you for that. Thanks for all you're doing.
And go grab yourself some .agi.
Michael, George,
and thank you
so much for your partnership, and we'll chat soon.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
