Hello, hello, can you hear me?
Hey, Paloma, how are you?
Hello, hello, how are you?
Oh, hello. Yeah, you are the ball.
Can we stand now? Are you ready?
Yeah, wax will join us before the end of the EME.
Okay, before anything else,
I want to welcome everyone to today's EME.
and we are hosting Dao Hash.
I don't know if I pronounce it right.
If I don't pronounce it right,
you can correct me. Is it correct?
which is an African language, kind of.
It's an African language.
Today we'll be having two segments.
The first segment would be question,
sorry, question and answer from the host.
Where the several segments will be question and answer
from the community members or audience.
Paloma, can you tell us about yourself,
about your journey in cryptocurrency or Web3?
And how do you come up about Dao ashe?
Well, we all have our rabbit hole or aha moment,
and mine came a bit later perhaps than some near members.
I was very interested in the ecosystem,
especially as a way to foster diverse artists
people who wanted to talk about the things
that I was interested in.
So, yeah, I created, I founded the Dao.
And I was very lucky to get a good response.
I met Russ and Shot from the NDC that summer, actually.
Last year in the summer, they came to Madrid.
So there are a lot of people that I met through them,
because I also went to New York and I've met a lot of people
in real life before we got on like to interact online,
which is not usually the case, right?
And then I knew a lot of artists because I am one.
I'm an artist in Madrid and an activist.
So I wanted, you know, the collectives that I was part of to,
I wanted to tell them about Wave 3.
So I felt, you know, that that was my mission.
And Lao Laotaro, I don't know if you want to ask him.
Can you pronounce the name very well?
Well, Latin American, actually, before Argentina existed.
We want to know about you.
Just like Paloma introduced herself to us,
we want to know more about you, Rinda.
We want to know about your journey in cryptocurrency.
How do you come about that?
OK, well, I'm in Argentina.
I was a lawyer back there.
And I got into blockchain not for artistic reasons,
but for the economical downturns of my country.
And while you have inflation and we weren't capable of saving
other currencies rather than their own Argentinian peso.
So I was doing OK as a lawyer.
I have some savings or some money that I can save up
as I wasn't capable of buying other currencies.
I just started throwing my money into Bitcoin
without knowing what it was.
That was like five years ago, six years ago.
I fell into the rabbit hole.
Then I started knowing about smart contracts, about the tech,
about the actual capabilities of the blockchain in general.
So I started getting into different networks,
into different communities, just lurking around or being a member.
And actually I met Paloma in a film-free community.
It's like a movement that tries to integrate blockchains
I'm a lot into film in general.
I want to be a filmmaker.
That's a change in my life.
He's a great writer, scriptwriter,
and I can't wait to watch his films.
Well, thank you. Thank you.
I met Paloma there, and I joined her down
like two months after knowing her.
She kind of invites people.
She met people, she found value on them,
and she invites them, and the community just gets grower.
It's my third time in Madrid.
The first time I came, I met her in person.
We met before in the internet.
And the second, I met people that knew Paloma
before knowing that we both know Paloma.
I went to a web-free hackathon, and sooner than we realized,
I was a member of my own hackathon.
You said you are a lawyer, and you have a deep knowledge.
Knowledge about smart contracts.
Are you into smart contracts?
Are you a smart contributor?
I like them, I know how to read them,
and I deployed some of them before,
but I'm not that developer itself.
I'm looking at my own path right now.
I mean, I know what to do.
I mean, we have a few projects,
especially we have this D-App or DAP,
because I found out the other day that some people call them D-App.
I don't know how you call them.
And basically, yes, there are a few projects that we are working on,
Well, the thing is that when I met Laudaro,
he was talking a lot of sense and answering all my questions
He was really on top of everything that was coming up,
so I was really into it as well.
So, you know, we are really into AI,
and we are working, we are building a DAP,
which is an AI assistant for social media members
to connect with each other more effectively.
So that's one of the projects that we are doing,
so we are really devoted as well to building,
although we are not developers.
Laud has more experience than me on programming.
I mean, he's been to like 50 hackathons.
Yeah, he loves hackathons.
And we are really into breaking our computers
by installing all sorts of code and open source software.
So, you know, we know what it is to suffer and sweat, you know.
There is also another DAP that we are working on
with Sean from near Toronto,
which is...it is a very interesting DAP.
Maybe we can talk about it later.
It's got to do with safety, women's safety,
and in general, men's and women's safety at events.
So, yeah, it's all very exciting.
The building part is part of our DNA.
And there are a lot of devs in our Dao,
and a lot of them are female.
Most of them are female, actually.
Yeah, I think most of them.
What do you mean by female dev in your community?
Yeah, I said, you have a lot of female developers
in your community, right?
Wow. I love what I'm hearing.
And they are better than me, probably.
We have kind of made connections with other Dao's.
So, we are all part of other Dao's,
and they are part of Dao, actually.
And some people are really, really technical, right?
Carol is from Hurdao, Spain, for instance.
And, you know, it's quite amazing, I mean, the work they do.
A lot of women developers are really into community.
Actually, that's something that you talked about the other day,
that in Spain, people are really into community.
For example, I've been in a lot of communities,
you call it whatever, Dao's, Discord, Telegram's, website, whatever.
And here in Spain, I've been here in Spain for six months, seven months.
And I noticed that every enterprise that comes around blockchain
or web-free, like community, is one of the three top words.
There's other, for example, if you look into NIR,
you see community is a big important issue,
but you see a lot more about talking about blockchain
or talking more about artificial intelligence.
I see NIR more into the tech side of it.
But, for example, here in Spain,
community is probably the first word that they talk
within the web-free projects.
Community is the first thing that always comes around.
It's a very Mediterranean thing, you know, like...
So people are really into meeting in person, you know, IRL.
All right, can you hear me?
Oh, all right, thank you.
Like, I'm really impressed.
Yeah, having people like you on NIR protocol,
like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You guys are really doing your way.
And I believe in you strongly that you're going to make
Well, I wanted Amber, may I please just start?
That one of the things that attracted me to NIR
was precisely the idea of community,
because when brass and shot from the NDC came to Madrid,
they put a big emphasis on that,
and I found out about the NDC and creative style.
So that's when I reached out to them
at the end of the event, and I said, hey, you know,
we have this... this doubt, and it would be great
to be part of NIR, find out more about it.
So, yes, the whole democratic process of, you know, voting.
I was really attracted by that.
Yeah, yeah, you know, like, NIR has the best community ever,
not only best alone, strong community,
and it's really working for everyone here, on the NIR.
All right, okay, moving forward,
I don't know if you've spoken about your role in the ASHRAE
or probably I did not get that part.
Can you briefly explain your role and your team members,
and how are you guys building and how are you guys
Okay, well, at first we weren't kind of properly
Because, well, because a lot of us are artists.
I mean, it was already hard enough in Spain
to get people interested in the blockchain.
And I wanted to have the freedom to talk to people here
and there, the communities gated,
because we didn't want bots and trolls to kind of,
you know, cramp our style, because we basically,
our message is to foster the work of BIPOC people,
black, indigenous people of color, Latinx,
neurodiverse, different communities,
allies, and the LGBTQI community, right?
So, you know, you need an invitation
And I also wanted to know everybody.
You know, it wasn't about, like, millions,
having a lot of people, but really knowing
who these people were, talk to them,
and try to get them to talk to each other as well, right?
And, well, now we got funding through Potluck
and then we are already on Astra.
It's not functioning because I'm still kind of working
on the UI side of things.
But, yes, we are going to be working with a council
and within the near infrastructure
as a grassroots tower, I suppose.
All right. All right. Okay.
I don't know if Lao have anything to say,
like, can you tell us about your role,
if you can hear me over there?
Yes. From my point of view, well,
I was invited by Paloma, and when I joined,
there was, like, I don't know, 50, 100 person in Davos,
something like that, was one year ago.
So from my point of view, it wasn't, like,
an structured DAO, but rather, well,
rather a decentralized organization
that just people start sharing news,
sharing activities, like, hey, I'm not going to do this.
I'm going to create this type of art.
And also sharing news, like, oh,
this new blockchain, or see this new artificial,
when chat GPT start coming out,
it blew up, like, you can do this, you can do that.
So it was mostly, like, like that,
that decentralized organization of people.
And a repository of information.
It keeps being a repository of information right now.
But currently, like, I think it's,
I won't say change it, but rather growing.
And it's starting to gain, to get some structure in it.
So I can see, besides the funding,
well, I will be a part of the council members.
So we also try to get, okay,
you have all these people here from different backgrounds
with different specialties.
They even speak different languages,
like Spain and Spanish and English are the two top languages
spoken on the DAO, probably in all of DAOs.
But people come from different places,
and there's a lot of language that can't be spoken in it.
So you can grab all those people that are there,
at least the ones that are willing to do things.
And okay, what can we create right now?
Like, we have some funding and we have the prospect
of making bigger things, get some more resources,
gather more people, invite more people in the DAO.
So that's plan of what's coming in the future.
Like, we have some specific projects
that we are going to move forward now.
But we also, like, in the very beginning,
people do what they pleased to do.
Like I say, they do their art and they share with them.
They have an interview and they share the interview.
Right now, it could be the same thing, but even bigger.
Like, some people have a specific idea for a project,
for a DAO, for an NFT, for whatever they want.
They can grab two people, three people,
maybe gather a team of five people
with different backgrounds,
and they can create something within DAO, for example.
Well, actually, you know, I am over the moon
by the fact that we have a little money,
because, you know, I really want to reward those people
who were there from the beginning, you know,
spending like hundreds of hours.
So now I'm like, hey, yeah, what would you like to do?
So there are people that want to do a podcast,
other people want to build.
And as Lautaro said, you know, I have this tunnel vision
because of the kinds of things I do,
but it's so important that we get together
and we work collectively so that new ideas come up.
And also LAO is great in marketing,
is great at kind of lateral thinking.
So, you know, and there are other members of the DAO,
I mean, we have, there are lots of people.
And yes, I mean, that's what Lautaro said, you know,
how important it is for everybody to have their own vision
And it's not necessarily what I envisaged.
It's an organic process for us to let it grow as well.
Well, as I said earlier, I said,
I really love what I'm hearing from you guys
and I hope to see more of this.
We don't really have much time, okay?
We've asked a general question now.
I want us to move to DAO ASHE.
Okay, now, okay, for someone that is new
that is just joining this piece,
can you tell us about what is DAO ASHE itself?
Can you tell us about it?
Can you elaborate about DAO ASHE?
I'm gonna, because I'm the founder, you know,
I'm gonna allow my mate Lautaro to define this crazy idea
because he's got a much better kind of bird eye view
of the whole shebang, you know, no pun intended.
For me, it's a bit more of what I already said.
It's like an unstructured,
like it's getting a structured organization
that plans to integrate new technologies
with different art mediums.
People come from different, for example,
there's been people that are really technical
but are into a lot of different...
When somebody is technical
and they start talking about art,
they go into weird concepts at least.
One that Paloma told me about
is someone that is trying to make fractal types of art
and he's really into blockchain.
He knows how to make smart contracts.
Daniel Herman, a lot of people know him from Pagoda.
But in that regard, DAO ASHE is a place to come,
learn and share whatever you are doing.
There's place for everybody
as long as you follow the initial
and basic rules that are actually really simple.
Just be as human as possible and don't be mean.
Just come here, learn, do your thing
and if you want to build something,
here are not maybe the best resources now,
but there's the people there.
So that's probably the best resource.
And also, well, I mean, we are very...
I mean, our roots are about diversity.
We talk about mental health
because there are neurodiverse people in there like me.
Lautaro is from Argentina.
And we really want to talk about identity
and whatever it is that kind of rocks our world, you know?
And that's why it's really important to have a place
because outside of the kind of norm
in terms of identity issues or gender issues,
we are a group for all sorts of diverse groups.
As I told you, also the LGBTIQ plus community.
And I belong to that as well.
I kind of tick all the boxes, right?
And I always thought allies are really important
So it's open to everybody, you know?
But yeah, we want a safe environment
for people to explore issues.
Also, like most doubts, we are all into,
yes, ask me anything, ask questions.
And if you are isolated, marginalized,
this is a place for you to be able to express yourself.
And it's very, these issues are very important for us,
even to the point of activism.
We are activists in the space.
Yeah, I like, I also, like,
I want you to just post your telegram link and Discord.
I hope you have Discord community, right?
Yeah, well, that's the thing that we have to work out
I would like people to kind of contact us on our,
on Twitter if they are interested in joining.
Because as I said, it is a gated community
because we have experienced all of us actually,
especially people of color.
We have experienced trolls coming into our spaces,
trying to bust up our events.
And as I said, this is an open space.
And in a way, okay, it's a bubble, right?
So it's not a big deal in terms of how to get in.
We are not into, okay, you know, as many people as possible.
But of course, anyone who wants to join,
if it's okay, hit us on this Twitter account,
on my Twitter account, on Lao Taro's Twitter account.
I think, actually, we haven't told you which one it is.
Okay, so my Twitter account for now.
Also, I mean, a lot of people know me from Telegram,
know Lao from Telegram as well.
And we'll send you an invite.
But it's important for us that we attract the right people
Also, of course, we are feminists.
We're open to every all genders and all idea of gender.
So, you know, we want people who are, you know,
interested in respecting our space
and being part of it because it's a safe corner of this world.
Yeah, about the sending DM on your Twitter,
like I feel, not even I feel now,
like there is a restriction on X now that you cannot DM someone that...
Well, but anyone can write like a comment, I suppose.
A comment on any of my posts.
Well, Lautaro, because it's more, you know,
kind of really into like structure and stuff.
We have to work out possibly having, you know,
I mean, there is, of course, near social.
In near social, I mean, we have an account.
And maybe not right now, but as I say,
we are getting the structure.
We can think of new ways of making the introduction to the people,
like maybe not the whole Discord,
but joining the, maybe joining Discord and having one,
like one type of comments and once they are approved
as a new category of members, they get full access.
We should think about that.
But anyway, I mean, for near members, we are, yeah,
we are on Discord, sorry, on near social.
So, you know, you can find us there.
I would like you all to make sure you find,
okay, Aluma, send a message or maybe send a message
on the comment section so that you also join the community.
I know, and I'm very sure that you're going to gain some things
that they are already doing a great thing.
I've known Paloma for a while now,
but she doesn't know that I know her.
I just feel very well, and she's doing well.
I don't really know Lao, but I know I'm going to get to know him soon.
Amber, I mean, I know you, but I know you mostly
because I know you've been in so many communities.
That's right, but dispel this mystery.
I can't live without knowing what you are saying,
that you know me without me knowing you.
Ella, talk to us, please.
I really wanted the community members to ask questions,
but before that, I have a few questions here.
I think I told you Helietta will not be staying long,
so I'm having an appointment very soon.
I saw that you guys are having training programs
for BI, PEC, new divers, and LGBTQR,
and can you elaborate on the impact of Lao
actually in this training?
Can you tell us about them?
Well, basically, we've had an event, a main event.
It was kind of like the opening event,
and it was a really kind of crazy time to do it
because it was Christmas, 2022,
but immediately we had, you know,
a lot of Afro people, people of color coming to it,
and women, and, you know, so that's the kind of thing.
If you advertise in a certain way, you know,
the people will come, although, as I said,
it was just right before the Christmas holidays.
And then we have this exhibition,
and I really thank Russ from the NDC
because he really helped me.
I mean, I came to Lisbon,
and I was onboarding people to tell people
So Mint Base, you can see that we have artists
from places like Haiti, Minting Work,
Colombia, Peru, Spain, Paris, the States,
you know, and many places.
So the main impact is to be able to get
all these people together from so many different places,
you know, feeling happy to contribute
with their creativity and ideas to this project.
Lao, do you have anything to say?
Not so much, but I wasn't part of the DAW
when that thing happened, but...
No, you were, but I mean, at that time,
you were in Valencia and you were really busy.
Well, you were in Italy for the first event,
but then when we did the Mint Base,
In November, you were already in the DAW.
I know things are coming in the future,
and we are organizing things for later this year,
probably September, September.
Yes, well, definitely September,
because we already have a date at the Madrid Innovation Lab
to a lavish, for a lavish event with, I mean,
you know, NIR turns into Euros and, you know,
you can do a lot of stuff here with a little money.
Also, it's going to be, hopefully,
Monica will help us have...
Oh, Monica, Monica Talan, right?
Well, it's not Monica Talan,
but she's a great supporter of the DAW.
I may not have been going on in Barcelona.
And of course, I will talk to Ana Monica
because they are always supportive
But yeah, it's going to be a live stream
and also a real-life event on the 19th of September.
So that's already happening.
And we are really excited about it.
And I know that we can't wait.
And also, I wanted to say that through Potlock,
it's been great, you know,
and I really thank the Potlock team,
especially short, because through Potlock,
we got to know wonderful people.
For instance, we have Michael here,
the green ghost from Vigan, France,
And it's great, you know,
because we got to meet other DAWs
that are into public goods.
So we are always trying to find ways
to kind of work with other people,
you know, to have that richness.
Which means, what's it called,
like different artists from non-Web3
can also join the community, right?
It's not only Web3, but also new technologies,
like blockchain, Web3, artificial intelligence,
augmented reality, virtual reality.
The metaverse, we are working a lot
on having a 3D version of the gallery,
of the mint-based gallery.
Yeah, it's integrating new technologies,
also new technologies that might not even be here now.
They could be doing, I mean,
it's something that is embedded in two years.
Some artistic person will find a way
to express themselves within the new technology.
Yes, but we have members who are into doing research
and know a lot, for instance,
like Lao, he knows a lot about coins and crypto,
the same with another Lao.
She has her own company, Crypto Ventures.
There is Anna Lopez and Monica Talan
And there are so many people who have,
so it's not only artists, you know,
some people are really into, well,
teaching people about the blockchain,
especially Latinx people.
We want to broaden that knowledge,
generating content in Spanish and other languages,
like Catalan, for instance.
So everybody that has something to,
that wants to contribute with is entirely welcome.
Yeah, because a few months ago,
She was like, I am an artist.
I don't know how I can fit in the three.
Like, to be sincere, though,
because I don't even know what to say.
I just, I should just search online.
But seeing this, I think I should have right answer
Yeah, I'm happy to hear that.
Yeah, it's like we really have a lot of artists out there.
They don't even have any idea about what's what it takes,
But hearing this is actually a good one for me.
Thank you for bringing that.
Sorry, I may interrupt you.
The thing is that the whole thing of,
oh, I'm an artist, you know,
it's got this kind of northern hemisphere idea
It's usually male, a genius, you know, untouchable.
And we are not into that.
I mean, especially now with generative AI,
a lot of people have different tools to express themselves.
I think she got disconnected, Paloma.
You know, he decided to refresh the keyboard.
So, you know, he obviously had something to say.
I was just saying that the whole idea of art, you know,
and I have had kind of conversation about this,
even with Anna from Cryptoconnexion, you know,
people go, oh, you know, you're so artistic,
And, you know, no, I mean, we all have creativity
Someone told us, you know, that maybe this wasn't right
or ourselves, you know, we tore the piece of paper
where we were drawing when we were five and said,
I think creativity is part of the human DNA.
And also technology is a way of creativity.
Yeah, the word is revolutionizing
and we have to know what is going on.
I mean, Vidia's boss, Mr. Henson,
he had, was it yesterday, right?
He had this keynote and basically AI and Vidia's chips
have created this incredibly powerful,
I mean, it's just out of this world, otherworldly,
and it's really gonna change the,
it's gonna be a game changer.
Also, I mean, Ilia is talking tomorrow
at the NVIDIA conference.
So, you know, finally, Nia is really going to talk about AI
and that was part of their,
obviously, it's part of their DNA.
Nia started being an AI focused company and ended up,
I mean, we all know the paper, right?
That Ilia wrote, what's the name?
Something is all we need.
I can't remember the name of the paper,
but he wrote precisely about the future of Nia
I'm really happy, Ilia is coming.
Guess what, Palooma, now we have 21 requests to speak.
I don't know, I'm gonna do that,
but I know we're going to choose randomly,
but before we end this segment,
I want to ask one question and it really matters.
Now, okay, can you tell us about your partners,
your collaborators, and how do you guys measure
the sources of your mission
to foster diverse artistic expression within blockchain
I think I'm asking two questions now.
I just want to pass, I don't know.
We were actually talking about this.
Lao and I just a few minutes ago,
I mean, he has a lot to say about it,
so I'm gonna immediately allow him to speak.
I just wanted to point out that it is the mere fact
that you see the people that sign up
and the people that participate
and the people that want to be part of our community.
I mean, they are people of color.
They are coming from diverse backgrounds.
So obviously, they are interested in what we do,
so that is already a measure of success.
There are lots of women, you know,
and Lao, you know, is coming from a different point as well.
You were talking about IP rights and metrics.
To answer both questions,
the first one related to the collaborators,
people that joined the Oase are from whole different projects,
protocols, not only artistic,
but people that were from marketing in one protocol
and could work as a developer for another one
or social medians in another one.
They are all welcome here
because we are not competing against nobody.
We are just doing our own stuff.
So it's kind of collaborating with whoever wants to collaborate.
any projects that come from near or even from outside near
someone wants to make something in blockchain
and doesn't know a blockchain,
wants to do something about IE
and doesn't know a lot about IE,
they can't do it within the people from the Oase.
So that's related to the collaborators.
there's a lot of people in the Oase
that works in several protocols that have their own startups
that are making their own things.
They are building their own projects even.
And with the other ones related to the metrics,
we need to separate or at least categorize the metrics
according to the project that we are working on specifically.
the one that is giving these technologies
to different type of people
will be related to which type of people we are talking about.
If we are talking about the artistic
and mostly the artistic people that come from web two
how many of them we are helping to get into it
and how many are creating wallets, are selling things.
What they are using this technology from
is to get funding and get something in the blockchain.
The thing about the IP is something I've been working around
for several, at least a year,
that is, let's say the timestamp
that are created in the blockchain
when you transact on them,
when you deploy a smart contract,
when you mint on a smart contract,
when you make a transaction on it,
you create a timestamp that can be used for IP management.
Let's say to have the IPs,
the intellectual property of a piece,
it's not the same data piece that is on the minting project
that the one that is outside it,
it's maybe too long to talk right now
and we don't have the time,
but it's something that I plan to integrate
into what we are doing on Azure.
well, I did the NRC course,
the Near Research Council course, you know,
so got acquainted with all the tools
like PyXpeak and so many others
and Lao is doing the course right now, so...
Yeah, I'm used to the eyeglasses,
but I'm going to recover it.
we are going to ask for funding for various projects
and we are very aware of the V1 protocol,
sorry, of the NDC V1 coming,
getting, we're going to have V2 at some point,
so we know what the ecosystem needs now
and we are going to be able to deliver, you know,
we won't get into something
if we don't think we can gain certain metrics on KPIs,
you know, we will do it when we are ready
and we will design the project
so that they have an impact on the whole ecosystem.
Well, seriously, I really love,
I enjoyed today's EME with you guys
and I hope to see you soon, all right?
I think we've actually exceeded time,
but nevertheless, I would love to pick up three people here
and please let the S1s be brief as possible.
I'm really sorry about that, like,
we've actually exceeded time.
They can always reach us, they can always reach us.
Do you mean we should just corrupt the question and answer aspect?
No, no, no, no, go for it.
I mean, actually, this is the most important part of EME.
Okay, I'll be picking up three persons here.
Yeah, I'm sorry for just...
I'm trying to unmute DK pressures.
I've been looking at her for a while
and she has been attentive.
She requested to speak DK pressures.
If you're unmuted, can you just ask your question?
I am finding it difficult to add a speaker.
Okay, let me see another person.
Okay, let me unmute another person.
I don't know what's going on.
Are you trying to say my name?
Okay, that sounds similar to my name.
I thought you were trying to say no taro.
I said a community member, which is Lotcheered.
Lotcheered, please can I ask a question?
For next, please hold on.
Please let your question be brief as possible.
Well, because of the AMA, you talked about having new technology
with different concepts from different unique people
that want to join your team.
I would love to know what standards quality do you actually look for
when getting these people on board your projects?
You know, I think that when you're providing a safe space,
it's also a place to learn, right?
And to support each other,
some people are, you know, they know more about, for instance,
generative AI, or maybe some people consider themselves,
you know, they have an artistic career,
or maybe they have been researchers for a long time.
So we don't go by standards.
I mean, the important thing is what each person can contribute with,
and it's going to be a unique contribution.
Each person has their own special way of looking at things.
So we are not thinking in those terms.
In fact, for instance, with our exhibition, people have asked,
oh, you know, when is the deadline?
I mean, there's no deadline, you know?
We might have an event, and then the event will happen
at a certain moment in time.
But if you're not ready to showcase your work,
or you're not ready to write something
or to do your projects now, let's start building
It doesn't have to be now.
I hope I answered your question.
Yes, yes, you can just do that.
Let me know the rest of my question.
I'll probably tweet them on your tweets.
Thank you so much, Amber, for this opportunity.
It's nice hearing from you again.
All right, Phonix, please, can I ask a question?
Thank you, Amber, for bringing me up.
It's been an insult through AMA so far.
I want to know, what are some of the technical challenges
you face when creating art that explores themes of race,
Sorry, Phonix, could you ask the question again, please?
What are some of the technical challenges you face
when creating art that explores themes of race,
But you're not talking about technological challenges.
I want to know, are there any challenges you face when...
Well, gosh, you know, if you talk about yourself,
and those are the issues that, you know,
a lot of diverse people want to tackle,
like identity, like their place in the world
where we are the minority,
the main challenge is, yeah,
coming out in more ways than one.
Also, you know, a lot of people have this idea,
you know, that, oh, you know, I'm not going to ask
Gosh, you know, I'm sorry that I'm asking this.
No, you have to express yourself and ask any questions.
Anything that you don't know, you ask.
And in terms of, you know, being people of color,
some of us being people of color, or Latinx,
or indigenous people, well, I mean,
the challenge is just kind of getting to know each other,
getting to meet, because some people believe that,
no, the blockchain with free crypto,
that's all, you know, the kind of boys from Silicon Valley,
and you need to have a certain social status
to deal with that or a certain gender,
and also you need to be kind of a normal person,
and that is not the case.
I mean, everybody is welcoming.
In fact, that is the challenge for us.
We want to make an impact because we believe
that the blockchain really will fulfill its potential,
when everybody is represented.
And then in terms of sexuality, for instance,
you do find, as you know, you know,
there are people who are prejudiced
or some people who are mistaken about issues of gender
and sexuality, and we do welcome questions,
you know, from people about that,
but with the utmost respect, right?
We count, we are here, we have a lot to say,
and there are a lot of ogies in the space.
For instance, there is actually Phoenix.
I don't know if you know about Lady Phoenix.
I mean, she is an ogie in the space.
She created Breonna's Garden,
which is an app on iPhone, you know,
about Black Lives Matter,
and it's a way to honor Breonna Taylor's sister
and what happened, you know,
when Breonna got murdered by the police.
And basically, you know, we talk about difficult issues
sometimes, sometimes there aren't,
but we are here to kind of express and reach out.
And then some neurodiverse people,
like there are some people who are autistic in our space
and there are Black and autistic Afro people
who are autistic, and that presents its own challenges.
You know, that's why they are activists,
and they sometimes might find it more difficult
to socialize, but they are tackling that challenge,
challenging situation for themselves
because they really want, you know,
people in the autistic community,
in the Black autistic community,
to get to meet each other and talk about their issues
and also their strength and their power
as autistic and neurodiverse individuals.
So, yes, I mean, you are talking about something
very interesting and important, which is, you know,
we all have challenges in life,
and when we are, let's say, in a minority,
or we are part of the diversity of diverse communities,
then our challenges might be greater.
That's why we also, I'm interested in AI as an activist
because, you know, AI tends to be biased,
you know, against diverse communities.
We have all seen examples of that.
So, when we produce work with AI,
we prove that we can be there in that space,
and also our work feeds the AI engine
and LLMs, large language models, with our work.
So, we enrich this ecosystem.
Awesome. Thank you so much for this answer.
Thank you. I will see you.