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Alright alright alright Matt Carl, are you able to hear me loud and clear?
Here you are. Thanks for having us. Yep. Fantastic. Of course, thanks for taking the time to help on the chat.
We are recording, everything seems to be all good on our end. So I will say we can get started. All right, everybody, we are.
Back! I feel so good saying that. It never gets so amazing gentlemen. I'm just gonna tell you that right now. But this is Eric Lions and welcome to Metallica's Live where we have some amazing conversations with some of the brilliant minds all around the crypto industry and beyond. But today, today.
You're all in for a treat. We have two esteemed guests from Kyron Labs with us today. We have BD lead Matthew Engel and quantitative trader Carl Strackie Matt Carl, thank you all so much for hopping on today. How are you both doing today?
Well, I'll start because I'm American and a bit more pushy in Carl's Canadian. So if I don't say anything, we'll be here for a while. See you soon, polite. So we're doing really well. And it's amazing to connect with you guys and get a chance to just kind of...
address some of the active community that enjoys the podcast and sort of engage on this medium. We're just really jazzed up. We're excited to contribute and to get more integrated with you guys. And can we share how we're going to be doing that a little bit in a little bit?
Yeah, thanks for having us on super excited and look forward to chatting here.
Likewise, likewise. So how we usually start out a lot of these chats, we want to get you formally introduced with the community. So if you all wouldn't
mind and we can start with Carl first. Can you please tell us your background such as like your previous role what brought you to the kaiwan etc.
Sure, so my background is in economics and finance. Prior to Kyron, you know, I was focused on school, but also crypto as well. He was involved in
creating some blockchain events at our local university through 2018 and 2019 and then really caught the bug from there and stayed involved in the industry ever since and been at Kyron just over a year in Lebanon.
Thanks Carl, so my name is Matt Engel. I'm the BD at Kyron. I've been in the industry full-time since mid-2017. So I wouldn't say I'm an OG, but I've seen some interesting narrative
I'm glad we're not still trying to fork BTC. That was a fun time. But previous to Kairon I worked for the FANTASM Foundation and Business Development and
did some other roles in crypto just sort of finding my way in market making companies but liquidity providers but also on the protocol side and just really becoming a daily active web through user so I mean as you
You can see I have a SAP seal of my PFP. I are on a daily basis on Twitter with some other people and I love every minute of it. It's been a real, it's crypto has become a career for me but also my passion, my obsession outside of my family.
So, previous to crypto, I worked for probably the most boring industry, which was kind of like a big culture shock when I learned about Web 3 back in 2017. And I worked for industrial supplier called McMaster Car, which has been around for a hundred and close to
130 years in the US, which focuses on getting critical supplies to production facilities and laboratories and all sorts of places. So it was kind of interesting because from that side, the tech support
I did onboarding for new hires and even did a lead role on a physical building expansion. So I really just bounced around learning some different things. But what I learned is nuts and bolts are not as exciting as crypto and yeah, quite a beer.
Well, that's how people hear so would you say Matt that 27 timeframe was your first exposure? You said to web 3 but was that your first exposure to crypto in general as well?
Well, I heard, so I had to, how I really heard about Bitcoin and the greater like crypto market was a friend of mine who actually was mentoring me as I got into a new role in my previous life. I kind of called
like a previous life before crypto was he was still a bit coin maxi you know we don't agree on that but we still get along in a lot of other ways but he actually sent me a copy of the version of digital gold and it really just
I was aligned up perfectly with my ethos as a believer in decentralizing opportunity and access to financial system and financial sovereignty. So for me it was like ideologically really aligned and then once
I understood the culture that was building, although it's much more mature even though nobody believes it. It's come a long way since 2017. I'd say that that was my initial introduction and then after that
I started mining things like feather coin and bird coin getting my hands dirty doing some mining with GPUs and then yeah, I just spent lots of time in discord Bitcoin talk Telegram and and kind of caught the bug
Plenty of time in the game, plenty of time in that game. So, Coral, you said that you started around 2019, you said? Yeah, that's when I really started dipping my toes in heavily, I would say. Nice, nice. Even by that, that
That was roughly three years of some change ago, but how was that? Because we get a lot of folks in 2013 exposure, but we never get to know the folks that are more exposed to crypto within the past couple of years.
Yeah, sure. So I actually first got introduced to crypto probably 2016. My friend's father was in cybersecurity and he had given him a Bitcoin for his birthday and we were young at the time but we all were super fascinated and interested
And that was kind of the first introduction and fast forward a few years later. In university with the same friend actually, you know, we were still interested in blockchain and still interested in crypto. And we had gone to our university and, you know, proposed to host a local blockchain event and try and get
industry experts from all over the country to come and we were able to and that really solidified my interest in crypto and my interest in pursuing it as a career. So since then I've really had the bug and 2019 was a it was an interesting time, you know.
I think that that was the period we had the dip down to 3000 before rallying back up to you know 10 to 12 before the recent bull run, but it was an interesting time there wasn't as many people there I'd gone to a conference or two and the vibes
were awesome but a lot smaller than everything you're seeing now. So really things have gone quite a bit in the last three years. Absolutely, I suddenly agree. So being in 2019, being more diving in
into it a lot more in depth. As you said, also in 2020, things within the industry took a turn, especially more so in that April is timeframe. Did you find it difficult still being invested
industry at that time of curiosity. So I'm assuming you're referring to the COVID crash and all that. Yeah, you know, I think that was just a crazy time, not only in crypto, but the whole world and just trying to figure that
out. You know, I remember the day that the the MBA was announced that it was canceled. I remember sitting in the investment lab at my university with all my friends. And yeah, it was a crazy time in the world. And I, you know, we were all scared. We were watching, you know, stocks, equities, and crypto just
and it was a scary time, but I don't think it wavered my interest. If anything, I really dove in there because the world did kind of shut down to a certain extent. And I had more time to spend on crypto and I did
love it, I love it. That's that diamond hand mentality. And oh boy, do I remember the NBA being suspended? That one broke my heart. But I love the introductions. But
Now that we've gotten to know you both a little bit, let's ask the question that is on everyone's minds. Especially within the proton community. What is Kaira Labs for those that don't know?
So right before I tackle that and it's a great question fundamentally I will say that I remember that COVID crashed you humbled enough to remember and I remember just man I live about it now because it wasn't the under crypto but man that was a insane liquidity crunch across all
risk assets and man there's a lot of people in leveraged positions in crypto so that's why it was so ridiculously steep for us and I remember just like looking as I was laying down it was nighttime I'm in eastern center time in New Jersey and
I was just kind of looking at my phone and watching just like the crash happen going like you know what if it's time to go this is the end I'm going down with it. I didn't have anything I was just I was sure it wasn't but in the back of my head I was like damn this could be
This could be 10 years, 10 year bear market after this. But now it was a crazy time. And I think the conviction level for me, just like Quijrupled, just seeing the fact that we rallied so hard after that and the conviction and the long-term support
and the people who are there to buy that panic at those support levels, which were the long-term trend lines, I was like, "Wow, we're going nowhere." Because even four or five years ago, seeing that price of BTC in 3200, people would have
thought, hey, that's expensive. And now people are saying this is a generational buy opportunity and it certainly proved up to be that way. So, Bacchara on Labs, being a little more focused on the topic, is we're a trading company, right? We're an liquidity provider for specific
So, what we do is we work directly with teams to provide deeper liquidity, more consistent liquidity, and more competitive liquidity across the different pairs and trading venues that their assets are listed on.
We do that so that it is a low cost, high reliability experience for anybody in their token economy that wants to move in and out of the assets. And also to help them build awareness for the asset so that people
people are attracted and want to stay and have high confidence. So that's our primary objective as a company. Behind that we have, we started back in 2019. So the company was founded at the beginning of 2019 with two co-founders and I'll actually pin once I figure out
how to on the jumbo tron. I will pin some information or a blog post about the two founders so you can see a more detail who they are and basically what their story is. But we have two co-founders Yens and Matias who are both lifelong friends
and are from Belgium, the N-Poorf area, where the company is actually based and registered. Alongside the two of them who started this company with no outside capital, just with their own brains, great effort, we now fast forward to today and we have roughly 25 full-time employees.
positioned all over the globe. I think our largest team would be consistent and made up of developers and quantitative traders. And then beyond that, we have some business development representatives, some couple people in our back office and advisory team as well.
So in a nutshell, Kairan is a liquidity provider that works directly with the project teams. We also do some advisory services for early stage projects. It's really hand-picked, we're very picky when it comes to that sort of stuff, but we're also very picky when it comes to market-making clients because
We work and spend a lot of time to build out strategy around developing liquidity. We also like to focus a lot of efforts in creating partnerships that are long-lasting and real value ads to our clients. I think the community will not drop any alpha, but the community will see that.
Even within the first month of us working together, that we do more than just put orders in the books. We actually help build projects with our clients. So yeah, we're highly aligned. We provide liquidity and we develop business and in this case networks.
I love it. I love it. I love it. So what you say is what makes Kaira different is the decision process of who you partner with and Leading out as the excuse me. Excuse me. I already blanked on my question as I cleared my throat, but would you say that's
what says Kiron labs apart? When it comes to partnering with other assets such as this? So one thing that sets Kiron labs apart is definitely how we select who we work with. But I think another thing is just how we've grown as a company.
company and how it's been slow growth. It's been methodical. It's been all IP created in-house. No outsourcing. It's been the fact that we hired five people in 2022 that fired 18% of our company. It kind of shows you the difference between A.
We don't have a company that started in legacy finance and this is just a vertical of business for us. We only our crypto company, we only exist within
in Web 3. So this is our home. And what we care about most is driving more TVL, more users to Web 3. And what better way to do that is through products that have tokenized incentives, especially like Dex's chains.
and other DAPs and creating a great user experience when it comes to liquidity of trading these assets so that people can actually exchange value for them. So that's what we're doing and kind of another thing that sets us apart is we've also done some work in creating
We have three partnerships with sports entertainment IP as well. Amongst many things, we also help broker the deal between Tezos and Red Bull Racing a couple years ago. We have also done and worked with some large conglomerates and IT
outside of crypto and again it really all focuses on wanting to get more people into crypto to kind of catch the bug like all of us caught the bug that are now working at Kairan and if we can do that in making licensing deals and partnerships we will. We can do that in providing reliability on our clients markets we will. If we find another way to do it we will.
I love it. Thank you so much for that. So let's talk about the Metallicist Partnership. What got Kyron exposed to Metallicist initially?
business development. People connecting with people from one company to the next. It was linked in initially and I was approached by a BD on the I'm just not going to provide names because I don't know if I'm supposed to but I was
I was approached by someone awesome at Metallicus in the BD department and you know we just instantly hit it off and when I learned more and demoed Proton Decks and actually creating an account went through this really easy KY
see and while creation on web off, it was so smooth and easy to do compared to previous experiences, even with credit, I'm out of asking, adding a custom UPC, you know, RPC rather, it was just like, it was just a nice experience. And then when I opened up Pro-Ton
I said, "Oh wow, you could farm here. You could do bridging from other networks. You could have just LP in swaps if you wanted to." And then when I saw the centralized order book system with having on-chain governance and on-chain actual settlement,
and knowing that it was a Dex account, unless I signed it to somebody else, but if I just kept all the permissions and access to myself, it was non-custodial. I was just like, "This is what we need more of." And I spoke to the team for a little while, internally about it.
And we all decided as a company that centralized exchanges we have a lot of good friends that we built in those organizations and we understand the benefits that they can provide for brand new users. And I get that because I even was
like my first ever crypto purchase was on it was on a it was definitely Coinbase where I got slammed with fees beyond belief never again but also but after that like it was Bitrix because Bitrix was like a massive like exchange I can tell
2017 RIP right so so basically like I understand that it's a great onboarding tool however I think now we all realize you know not your keys not your crypto couldn't be more true and after FTX collapse and all the loss of trust of centralized
authorities and organizations over and over again, it's time to actually take things into our own hands and rely on ourselves. So the fact that we can have a, I guess a mix and best of both worlds in proton decks,
that kind of bridge that need for high frequency trading or just more economical use of capital where LP provision is really, it's not a great use of capital, there's impermanent loss, slippage and all these other things that you have to deal with.
But now to be able to place limit orders on a Dex and have extremely fast trade execution, but also maintain custody, it's a dream. So we are aligned with that ethos as a company. We've been doing on-chain trading for many years now, and this was like a natural integration and fit for us.
Awesome. Carl, so I'm curiosity from the trading point of view. What's your thousandth partnership at all? Yeah, I mean I think I'm excited and
And I think over the next month as we fully onboard everything and we move into all the markets that is going to be really good and for both of us.
Yeah, you can probably see the difference between a quantitative trader and a BD, right? I love it. I love it. I mean, there's no one I rely more on than our clients when it comes to like being in the trenches and then just making sure everything's taken care of, but you know,
different styles, different skillsets, and Carl's an amazing guy, and super reliable. And you'll see his work come out every single day, providing value in the markets. Absolutely. Both of you clearly make the dream work, and that's what we appreciate having
you all on here and getting to know the expertise and that's why we're looking forward to what's to come with this partnership. Out of curiosity, Carl, just so I can be more educated on this, what is quantitative trading?
Yeah, so we really focus on data analysis. You know, we look at a lot of data sets, come to conclusions, try to formulate different strategies, you know, coding
different strategies. That's really a lot of what we focus on as a quant, a lot of data analysis, a lot of trading, a lot of market analysis, coming up with strategies. That's really my bread and butter.
Awesome, awesome. So we just talked about this based off of this current landscape and everything that's been happening within the past.
I would say six months and taking the matters into our own hands. This compliance and regulation play in the factor in making those ideas come into fruition.
Yeah, I mean no doubt it's at the next phase, right? And what's happened recently is just pushing, it's telling regulators that you can't hide from this black honor, right? It's time to take action. Now hopefully
they do that in a measured, you know, intelligent way, but you'll have to see. As far as Dex's go, it's really been the wild west, hasn't it? I mean, the amount of times I've been rug just trying new things. Good thing I use brand new wallets for that.
Yeah, it's been incredible. The growth has been so fast that it's hard to keep up with all the exploits and these different vulnerabilities and smart contracts. You sort of only learn about them after attacks have happened and exploits have happened. So on that side it's been really interesting to see.
On the decks trading side, it's a great thing for people because it creates so much liquidity to people who have been outside of the traditional financial system for so long who haven't had inclusion and it really breaks those barriers down. If you have a wallet and some crypto, you can get involved in the future.
But at the same time, it makes it incredibly hard for institutions and regulated entities to access those markets because nobody is known, right? So you have to bring a layer of validation and authentication to users who are on these decks.
So, proton, what it does is it forces that sort of compliance. And so now institutions can actually access non-gustennial markets, but not worry about trading with someone who's on a terrorist watch list. Right? So, that sort of thing is incredibly important.
And I don't think we can let regulation and the need for certain standards stop us from having custody of our assets while being able to trade them. And so that's why proton is another reason why proton is so important because it does.
add that layer of compliance. It does KYC its users and it does give that comfort to regulated entities, institutions who want to use Dexas to trade going forward. It lets them know that they won't be breaking compliance or doing something illegal by accessing those markets.
So many grades future proofing and keeping everything safe and secure on both ends of the offense both customers and the regulators so and I like how you said Matt that we all are kind of finding out about
What are these do's and don'ts in certain institutions? Namely, some of our competitors are starting to find out, but ultimately just how we react. When you see these random
and the other platforms are going through and how we adjust and putting in a compliant facing platform. I think that's a good way to solidify the future of not only our customers but for the industry and setting a precedent, standards.
Yeah, I totally agree with that.
What are your thoughts on this current state of the industry? The crypto industry, web industry, blockchain industry.
because I think NFTs have onboarded a whole new like
a new web through users who might have never have used centralized exchange before or gotten into a telegram chat talking about an upcoming IDO. It's amazing to see
how fractured web 3 communities are. I think over time you're going to see those delineations blend, just like people who just like Bitcoin versus Ethereum and other network assets. A lot of people end up in
know, agreeing that there's a lot of value in multiple things, I don't know, just one. But for NFTs, it cater to a very cultural crowd and collectible crowd and an art focused crowd that maybe trading and financial instruments weren't for them, right? They got into crypto for other
reasons. And I can't wait to see more blending of conversation across crypto Twitter and not just crypto Twitter versus NFT Twitter which does seem to be two different places right now that I am in both of. So I can't wait to see more people from NFTs who
on board in the last class, kind of like explore more of DeFi and other things. I think games and NFT communities are starting to think about how to get them across into those other verticals, which is really cool, but it's going to take a lot of time because these
These may be people who know zero about financial tradfi or anything on the outside of the, I love cute animal JPEGs and building really great communities and enjoying my time on the internet. So it's going to be really cool.
that gap between people who have just been in the all coin market may be focused in DeFi but also enjoy some of the later conversation and some of the happiness that happens in the NFC with the GMs and all the good vibes that you could see so that'll be really interesting for me. Right now it does feel like two distinct different places
I'm looking forward to seeing these come and merge in some way. I'd say a word-a-viac club definitely help with that releasing a coin, right? Because they forced people to also use Dex's and different markets and they definitely put people in a position that it was financially and
device for them to get involved beyond just the non-fundable side of things. So that's been interesting. Another thing is Blur has been kind of breaking down by creating more of an exchange or an aggregated liquidity center for NFTs rather than just the marketplace. It's been kind of interesting to see that.
and some of the downsides and benefits and disadvantages that provides. So that's been an interesting narrative. And then overall, just this is the first time that crypto has been alive in a macro market downturn. So that in itself has been really interesting to see how crypto holds up.
and how it reacts. And yeah, maybe probably Karl could add more color to that in terms of like, you know, the correlation between crypto assets and other risk assets during this kind of economic time. Yeah, exactly. You know, I think
We're in a market where patients is key. Crypto is still very correlated to equities. If we look at the equity market, you have interest rates over 6%, or mortgage rates over 6%, interest rates coming up on 5%, the war in Ukraine
still and really the big factor is inflation. And is that going to come down? Is that going to be, you know, along eight months, 12 months, 16 month battle just to get it down to two or three percent? So I think that's really the big question and the reason
There's a lot of uncertainty in the market right now and we'll continue to be uncertainty in the market. So I think people should be patient and really focus on finding the projects that are growing, you know, finding the trends that are hot and focusing on the companies that are building, growing their partnerships.
on-boarding new users, improving their user interface. All that kind of stuff is really what's important during these, you know, call it slower market set times. And that's really what I'd be looking for as a crypto user is the projects that are building and building strong.
Starting to hear a trend here, especially with the endies last 10 minutes, and mostly it pertains to all of us having to stick together regardless of our communities or if some folks are more dex-assuming.
post an NFT or vice versa or if we're different companies altogether, how do we partner up, how do we come together and how do we make this one tight ship going. And I think that's something that we should all consider today as
Especially with the fact that we got to do a partnership with Kyron Labs everybody And we're so excited to have this future this new future with these guys and it's so awesome to hear you guys share your expertise with us Thank you
I mean, we're really excited about it too. We've got a nice client portfolio and a big network of people who are really striving value doing stuff, like really doing stuff in this space. And I'm just talking about it, but doing it and a lot of people, a lot of companies, they're looking for ways to
They're risk exposure and third party risk on centralized exchanges, but not compromise tradeability of their assets for people who don't want to use just AMMs, right? So works as a BDS as a account manager, I'm extremely excited to bring us to
everybody I know. And then of course as soon as we're you know live trading then we can actually provide consistent liquidity with our other exchanges. As soon as a lot of their users come onto Proton because they're looking for this sort of experience where they can have low latency and a smooth centralized order
system with on-chain settlement and maintain custody. They'll, you know, create accounts. It's smooth. It's easy. I did it in two minutes. And yeah, yeah, it's, I'm looking to see more assets on chain and get more people in the markets.
Likewise, likewise. Now, Elec curiosity and this isn't regarding just the partnership, but this is a Kairan question in general, but if any one of you can share, what is Kairan's plans for 2023?
If you're able to share. Scaling, scaling, scaling. We're just going to keep growing. We're just going to keep leveling up our talent. Keep reiterating our algos, testing new algorithmic strategies. Just keep breaking things as well. Reiterating. I mean, it's just the way
it's worked for us. I think we will definitely going to have this year a nice company trip in Belgium again last year we did that as well. We all went to Tomorrowland which was hell of a time and this year we're going to be getting together again in Belgium
but the future looks very bright for us. We are going to go we are going through a full rebrand refresh on our branding so can't wait to show you what that looks like just to kind of re-identify ourselves and have more of a voice in crypto and a distinguished tone. What we did see
is that when left a big void other players can come on who call themselves market makers and they can drive the narrative. I mean Alamita you know to to name a name we don't we want to make sure that people understand that there's real
So that's what we're going to do more of in terms of a content standpoint from a client standpoint. We're just trying to
continue to keep make our client outcomes better, better, better. That means our tech needs to be better, our trading desk needs to be more intuitive. And I need to be better as an account manager. Our BDs need to be smarter. We need to drive better partnerships. So it's just going to be improvement and scaling.
The partnerships are going great thus far. I'm going to show you that. Polish on partnerships for 2023. Do the moon.
So, Kara, is there anything from a trading perspective that anything that you can share in regards to the Kiwan's plans?
I think Matt really covered a lot of it, but it's just scaling, growing, building, all the stuff, you know, like I said, you know, for investors in crypto or users in crypto
to focus on the companies that are building, you know, growing their UI, doing all that stuff. That's what we're doing as well. And we're really focused on pushing as hard as we can in all of those areas. Yeah.
Awesome. I love it everybody. I love it. Before we wrap this up, is there any final thoughts from Carl or Matt? Anything that you'd like to share with the community that hasn't already been said or anything you'd like to read?
So everything good on my side, we do have another Safi seal brother and Kyron Quant in the audience. Brett is here.
He actually was the Chad that helped introduce us to Carl. And so if you want to invite him up, I'm sure he'd be happy to say some words.
He's always a man with a good point of view. Why not? Why not? See, uh, Brad, if you can put in the request. Howdy. Hey, Brad. Hey, I just landed in Denver. I'm going to East Denver. Nice. There you go.
other Canadian. Yeah. No, but I've been listening to the AMA the whole time. So it's been been really good conversations that you guys have been having. So really appreciate the open communication here. So, so the reason I one of the reasons I
If anybody listening is in eith Denver, how do you Denver? Fine bread DM me beers Friday night beers Well, hey, that's all good. That's that's all on down. So yeah, hang out. We've got two people in eith Denver. I'll actually be a
Singapore 2049 and took in 2009 and Singapore in the fall. So if anyone's there, you know hook up with me on DMs and we'll definitely get together. But yeah, we're also we're also expanding to do a different event. So we'd love to meet any of you in person if you're open to
it and Joe Shaykans have a beer, have a coffee, whatever. Yeah, I'm all serious in this. I am pure East Denver, so if anyone is here, feel free. Follow me, send me DM, whatever. I'll get back to you and make sure we meet up at some point.
I mean, and that didn't sound desperate at all. So it's not like Brett's lonely. I got my homies would be Rob. Rob's are another BD with Karen. So he's here with me. So yeah, we're just we're just trying to meet everybody in the Chicago with some cool tech that's coming out of the builders here.
But there you have it folks now you know who to meet up with at East Denver and then later on in Singapore, but Great to have you on Brett. It's been a pleasure met and Carl We're looking forward to this partnership and to see how we can progress this in the future
and as we both grow as a company and as within the industry together. So I'm just fantastic for what the future holds for all of us. But first things first, I'd just love to thank you all so much for taking the time to hop on a Twitter space
is hopping on Metallicist's life and it's been such a delight being able to listen to you both and your expertise and your knowledge and I just hope that the proton community is excited as I am and as the rest of Metallicist is.
Thanks so much. Let's go. Let's go. We're ready. Let's go. Thank you so much Eric. Really excited for this. Look forward to it. I'm excited for you all too and now you're all gonna grow.
I very much am. Matt, you also mentioned you want to drop some things about the founder and the rest of the team. You can drop it underneath this Tweet here and that way it will always be accessible to everybody within our community. Just wanted to let you know that one real quick.
But I want to let you all know that that's not all the time that we have here today. And thank you much to everybody that's topped on the Twitter space today. It's always a pleasure to have you on without you. We are in us. And everybody that's on the Twitter space
This is this Metallica's live podcast is going to be available on all podcasting platforms later on including Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon, etc. and also on our Metallica's YouTube page. And everybody that's listening to us via
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Yeah, so I'm Matt Maddy. Actually, let me find out what I am. So I'm in some of the platforms that I can't even keep straight. I'm at MHEE Crypto. MHEE Crypto. Matthew Hussetangle, MHEE Crypto.
You're in the Rocky Mountains, that's the problem. That's what's up. Thank you so much for having us guys and we're looking forward to not just talking about adding value but actually doing it. So we'll see you in
I'm proton decks in the order books and look forward to meeting you guys in person soon as possible. Look it for you to wait. You guys have a great rest of your time at Eve Denver. Have a great time at Belgium and the rest of you all have a great rest of your week. We'll see y'all at the next one.