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🍃🌱 2 Bitcoin2.0 Open Forum #ArtThursdays @ArtwithHeartNFT Chia Chat
Recorded: May 30, 2025 Duration: 3:47:24Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of Chia's ecosystem, highlighting trends in growth, potential partnerships, and the upcoming launch of Bitcoin 2. The conversation emphasized the importance of community engagement, fundraising efforts, and the need for skilled individuals to drive innovation and yield opportunities in the decentralized finance space.
Full Transcription
Welcome to Off Thursdays. Thank you. you I just realized I got the wrong art with hearts Twitter name in the thing that is art with
heart NFT I guess it's a bit embarrassing hopefully that's right better get your tfts out for the lads okay art with heart nft
oh it's still tft this is unprofessional nft there we go
oh no now it's all with our nft cheer
I think that's done yeah that's better everyone welcome back this is I'm still
kind of getting ready in a sense because I wanted to stop more or less exactly at
eight I was letting the starting time slip a little bit so I'm still easing my
way into the day hello wherever you are in the world with art thursdays longest running to your
space in history who's the number one visionary in cheer today check out last week's space
with app developer foods i've just got back from a visa run so i'm happy to be back
and yeah a fair bit going on in cheer at the moment there's a lot of permuto capital
staff sec stuff that sort of stuff stuff i think that's the main thing things i'm interested in
well app development are moving forward i guess so i wish the data there would move forward a bit more
and i wish that i wish it was easy to bolt mint and airdrop nfts on chia that's that really slowed
me down with my projects anyway so i'd love to see more of that but there's a fair bit going on in
chia of course there was the conference a couple of weeks ago.
Was it two, three weeks ago in Toronto?
That obviously went really well.
But, yeah, generally, the Chia price has affected it a little bit.
People affect things.
So that's just the reality of it.
So I'll be back in a couple of minutes because
I'm still getting ready I need to have a couple of sips of coffee perhaps a
toke of a joint and then I'll ease my way in and get this shared out so
welcome to Art Thursdays hope you're well guys Thank you. Okay, I'm back.
We're live.
Get the headphones in. And let me just share this out. Copy link.
I can't believe that these spaces started in August 2022. If you'd said 23, I might believe it, but 24 is, sorry, 22 is what? Two and a half years.
I've just received a message from the number one visionary. Can't talk at the moment, but we'll
stick around until there's people in the room. Thanks a lot. Appreciate that. Thanks a lot,
foods. I've just got a message from Bradley. I will be late tonight, but I will be there.
from Bradley. I will be late tonight but I will be there. Madison birthday and we
are out celebrating. Bradley is off out for his lovely wife's birthday. Get this in the chat.
The last thing we need is me with a live microphone, given some of my views.
I do sometimes wonder that if hosting spaces is...
Hold on, let me...
Before I go down that rabbit hole, let me just make sure I post it everywhere.
ChiaSpace alerts, that's's it there were three
now we've got someone else oh no just me and the foods who can't come up
I'll tweet this up Okay, there it's done. Finally, it's tweeted.
Okay, I guess I'm just going to say what's on the top of my mind here we go
okay so so Bradley's looks like he's on the way he's out celebrating his birthday
can't beat the taste of coffee in the morning it smells like it tastes like vitri and smells like it to be fair so chia is in a weird position i think i'll just what they do a solo rant
solar right it was May the 4th May the 4th be with you I bought my one of my
first not not the first ever but one of the first domains that I've ever bought
before so what was this three weeks now, I guess it is.
2bitcoin.org.
I'm kind of looking at things in Chia.
I've always thought things were a little bit off for different reasons.
The fake grants program is one of the main reasons, for me anyway, because it doesn't make any sense to have a fake grants
program with an organic community second thing i think was it was the team behind chia said that
they were pursuing a barbell strategy which i interpreted it as 50 effort for the you know the
big boys the enterprises the fucking people that wear dildos and put robes
on, those sort of people, 50% of our attention will go to them, and 50% will go to regular
people, which is numerically, statistically, the largest part of the world's population,
because most of us are not investment bankers or don't own enterprises.
So when Chia's ecosystem took off, 21 21 and 22 there was massive interest i mean massive
just and not brilliant marketing not a good name in my opinion cheer is not a good name
for different reasons it's not terrible but it's not good and uh because there's already a brand
called chia for one and it's quite hard to say chia it's not really
kind of doesn't mean too much so there was already the chia name mark against it and then the we're
doing farming we're not doing mining that was bad but i mean i feel they've run the organic
community off it's like there were loads of people 22 nfts launched loads of people world records spaces
people just the barbell strategy disappeared and it became the enterprise strategy and
there's nothing ever really explained about it so i always thought that was a bit of a weird thing
a bit of a red flag perhaps and seeing the price just go down which is price it isn't and it is
important but it kind of is to some degree if you're like not gonna live off it but well
well maybe if you were gonna live off it if you wanted to work and live off chia you kind of can't do it if the price just goes down that makes it hard so i don't see it's not impossible i just don't see how chia can come
back in a sense so i went ahead and bought the two bitcoin.org url and i thought it then
actually i didn't think fuck it I
that suggests I just thought on one day let's just do it I've actually thought
about it for quite a long time I thought what would chia look like if it was the
technology of chia but with the tokenomics of Bitcoin and the name of
Bitcoin otherwise known as Bitcoin too well it might ruffle a few feathers for one at
the same time maybe some people might like it I'm not sure so that's that's
kind of the direction I'm going is I think cheer will be better off if there's
a rival to it that let's say the people's blockchain the equivalent of it
like the rock in 99 we need a
sort of something like that so that's what i'll be pushing towards getting a bitcoin 2 launched
and navigating the waters of community run versus enterprise run i mean i just, I personally would find it hard to onboard someone to Chia right now.
Even paying the money, I think, would be a tough bet.
A few years ago, it was different.
It was really people just knew blockchain.
Wow.
Wow.
NFTs.
Wow.
Yes.
But you tell people the Chia name, what's that?
There's the chart. would you like to buy some
i'm doing a music project on it ah is that the thing that's linked to the world bank
the robe wearing people oh yeah it is oh well that sounds yeah it does doesn't it but it's
not shit it's brilliant there's some of the best people ever idealists like if you want
to get the if you want to get the dna out of the bacteria that live on the shower curtain that just
will not die no matter what you do chia community we've been around for so long that at this point
if chia went to minus one cent we'd still be here because basically it's idealists don't get put off easy and we've got a lot of idealists
so I
Think tree is doing it strong in a sense because the idealists are that still here, but it would do so much better with a
Logical marketing it's mining. How hard is that is that mining? Yes
Does chia have mighty? Yes. Does Chia have mining?
Yes.
That's hard.
Does Chia have mining?
No, no, no.
We do farming here.
No, we don't mine.
We farm.
It's farming.
No, it's not.
It's mining.
It's crypto mining.
What are you doing?
It's mining on Bitcoin, too.
It would be like if they rebranded. It's crypto mining. What are you doing? It's mining on Bitcoin too. Why are you...
It'd be like if they rebranded...
It'd be like if they rebranded sex as food ruffling, for example.
It's like, oh, do you want to have sex?
Yeah.
You want to ruffle food together?
What?
What do you mean? Well well let's come back to my
room you can ruffle some food with me in my bed what you weirdo i thought you're weird already
you're british what are you talking about get a fucking arrest that freak like oh why didn't i
just say let's have sex mining in bitcoin too would sense to me. I don't see the argument.
I don't know if people are trying to not draw attention to the fact that they may or may not have been involved with Bitcoin.
I can kind of see it.
But at the same time, no one knows who created Bitcoin.
Realistically, I mean, some people have an idea,
but most people don't know and probably prefer
Laura Palmer wasn't killed in Twin Peaks.
Most people would rather not know, even if they kind of want to know.
And the story of that is Twin Peaks was the top series in America, in the world, I think, in the late 80s.
And when they revealed who killed Laura Palmer, she was the sort of star of the show.
She was never actually in it.
She was dead before the first episode.
But the cliffhanger of who killed her,
David Lynch said, don't ever reveal that.
And they did.
And then within a series, it was gone.
Finished, basically, because the interest was gone.
Well, we know who killed Laura Palmer.
So for most people, not hardcore fans,
who were like David Lynch no matter what,
but regular people.
Regular people now knew who killed Laura Palmer.
It's the same thing with Bitcoin.
Most people don't want to know who created Bitcoin,
even if it seems interesting.
So with a Bitcoin 2 and a Team Satoshi,
not one person, but just regular people who want to work on it, we're in Team Satoshi. I think there's real brand there. There's real marketing there.
I don't think anyone owns the name. I don't see a reason not to do it that
is that significant. So that's kind of my thinking. I do own the to Bitcoin org name and we'll be asking people to
Help me to launch it in the near future. So if I end up dead probably because of that you'll know who did it. So
There we go. That's a bit of Bitcoin two news
And I've also got a few influencers lined up so
There we go yeah another thing is I've been saying for years in Trio you just need influencer marketers you just need influencer marketers just need
influencer marketing just need influencers just need influencers no no no no no no no no it's
like that song no no no no no no ever hear that one too unlimited back in the day no, no, no, no, no, it's like that song. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ever hear that one? Too Unlimited back in the day. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
We don't want influencers. Well, let's let the price go down, down and down until Bitcoin 2 launches.
Okay, coffee. coin to launches okay coffee i really do need to smoke some weed now
nice clean pipe from a man with nice clean shoes so god what should I'm not really that good at solo ranting I don't never know what to talk about I think I can riff but okay this is my first marijuana of the day
I'm wondering.
okay if I was talking nonsense before I'll definitely be doing it now should I get off my chest?
What should we talk about?
Well, let me talk about the data layer.
That's one of my big disappointments, I'd say, so far.
I feel it was just so close close I think that there was a hero
called Michael Taylor it was just so close and it's still close it's not
like it's it's not couldn't happen but her last it was at the start of last
year January I was looking at what was going on.
It was just before January, actually.
I was thinking of it, but it started in January last year, 24.
I was looking at the cheer situation.
I thought, you know what?
There's some strings being pulled behind the scenes
that are trying to stop it from developing.
For whatever reason, there's big teams, lots of people.
The basic things that should make sense,
little things like, in fact, it's been mentioned before,
cat-to-cat pairs would be one.
And the food always said that.
We need cat-to-cat pairs on Chia.
It makes sense. It's not there.
Free air dropping on Chia in the wallet is a no-brainer.
If there's a way of doing it,
probably there's not decentrally perfectly,
but you could have something that plugs into a wallet
that gives you free minting.
That would onboard so many people.
I could do, I've got, I've said before,
I've got friends who are professional fighters
in major sports promotions.
They're ready to do NFT collections
the moment that there's free
air dropping on chia that has put stopped me from doing anything with influencers personally
and having that in the wallet would be a close to a no-brainer when with an empty network so
the so when the data layer was that the story was, I believe, that three people said it was Internet 2 the day it was announced.
One was myself, one was Brett, I am the hellfire, and the other was Cookies, obviously the charismatic leader of Chia to some degree.
He's ahead of the curve.
Well, we all said this looks like Internet 2, data layer, Internet 2.
And I think it is. I think it very well might be hiding in plain sight internet, too
well
There was this unfortunate thing called the carbon credit database and I saw that coming over the cliff and
My good god, please. No, please don't link us to that
We're going all in on a carbon credit strategy.
Like, there's men in black robes that you don't want to know,
but don't follow that path.
Good God.
Like, it would be like if a gang of pedos turned up in town,
and it was like, well, should I join the gang of pedos
checkers club, or should I join the Gang of Pedos Checkers Club,
or should I join the Crypto Influencers Thursday Night Club?
Well, stick with the nice guys who aren't convicted pedos.
Makes sense.
And so the carbon credits, I was thinking, this is going to be heat.
Good God, you don't want this.
So I tried to, I would say I tried to warn Gene.
I did the debate with him in I think
it was last March or but I'd said it before like this is this will go one way and it's it's gonna
basically ruin cheer really I don't think I use those words to be fair I didn't use those words
I was thinking that but I would probably phrased it like, is there another, could you support
the organic community maybe? Because what if carbon credits make us look like we're a World
Bank elite poisoning the population kind of thing? And I do think that's what's happened.
Anyway, there was a young visionary called Michael Taylor who was onboarded into Chia because of carbon credits.
So I was looking at this like, oh, my God, there's this brilliant developer who, without the carbon credits, would have been not in Chia from what I could tell.
from what I could tell.
So I thought that the future was like a weekly Michael Taylor space
where he unveiled the data layer dig nodes
because that's Internet 2 powered centrally with nodes.
Wow, boom.
That's something grandma could use, something I could use.
So it's now, what, 12?
It's probably 15 a year and a half.
There's still no simple drag-and and drop uploader on Chia.
Don't need mirroring with payments.
You don't need lock this coin up here and then.
No, just like torrents, just free.
The first level should be free.
Here's a bit of a software.
If you want to upload a JPEG, drag and drop it.
Boom, it's on data layer.
Okay, well, that's good.
So if there's evidence of elite child trafficking
and I know who's doing it, I just say who's doing it,
sling it on data layer, now it's uncensorable
because anyone can mirror it, just an example.
So I thought that that was the way.
I thought Chia needs one DApp with one regular space
that regular people can use.
And it looked like it was there it was
digno this was like what february march 24 just about there i've used the software i could almost drag and drop a file up could almost do it i it was it's really good bit software Michael and he was panning a browser that was gonna plug in anyway so during those there was only eight
spaces seven were recorded one was accidentally not recorded much to my
annoyance because Chia music's first album launched in that episode so kind
of annoying but anyway so what was my train of thought that the weeds kicked in
so yeah there was eight episodes of that and during it it transpired that it appeared that
someone from aetherium was trying to make Michael Taylor sell dig nodes to use on Ethereum.
And it sounded like there was about $5 million sitting there.
It wasn't being, okay, here's 5 million for you.
But it just sounded like there was someone on Ethereum
that was all, if Michael Taylor had basically said,
I'll accept, there'd be no dig nodes on Chia.
And he didn't accept.
So Michael was like a hero
and he worked basically more or less for free on it with with some help you know community
helped i hosted spaces but really that's not that's not probably enough for something as big as
internet to a few people or even 100 well even 10 people sort of casually helping so so anyway hey welcome everyone
to there anyone would like to come up please do bradley's not here at the moment he's coming
later it's his wife's birthday so anyone would like to promote anything in chia i'm just solo
ranting so by all means come and interrupt me if you'd like uh so the there was some there was
something in the universe trying to get mich Taylor to take Ethereum away from Tria.
However, to take DigNodes away from Tria to Ethereum, I may have phrased that wrong.
And I thought it said a lot about Michael, the fact he didn't take it.
Because 5 million or even a million would have been, wow, for someone like me, that's a lot of...
It's a lot of stuff for me.
That would be five million of it.
Wow.
So he didn't.
He didn't take it.
He said, screw it.
Cheer all the way, basically.
And so then there was talk of the Digno,
the final thing that needs to happen to make the payment option.
No, it's like we don't need the payment option.
We just need free mirroring.
That's it.
We don't need anything added.
We don't need a Nintendo 64DD.
That was the extra drive, by the way, if people remember.
It was never properly released in Europe and America, but it was meant to plug into the the n64 and then you could play Ocarina of Time with some sort of
modification anyway it never properly came out it was not needed essentially
the console itself was good enough and free mirroring on data layer would be
good enough it wouldn't it doesn't need long-term payment it just needs
the basic thing free mirroring of simple files that's all and it looked like it was close
and then i guess it's all public i guess he signed he got a job with CNI, which is good for him.
But I'm sort of looking at the data layer development,
which I think is the best thing with the best person, the best team,
the best blockchain, blah, blah, blah.
And it's, at least from my opinion, nothing's happening with it.
It's like development has stopped, if I'm happening with it it's like it's like
development has stopped if I'm being honest that's what it looks like and I'm
not cute and even if don't man has stopped on it that's fine I don't know
how to do it I wouldn't have a clue I could haven't been able to raise money
to fund something on data so I like it's it's not one person's responsibility but i'm looking at it well where's the data layer
app that where like when can i start using it to expose well not expose but bring attention to
certain topics like why can't like this is decentralization it's the dream we're going
over the golden hill together we're going
to be using decentralized apps and blah blah blah you know just live in the dream i swear my building
is sinking this feels like there's an increasing angle in my room it's slightly making me paranoid
but uh buildings do sink in bangkok by the way if people are thinking I'm crazy it's built on a swamp essentially so anyway something not built on a swamp is a cheer of course
it's built on that Nakamoto consensus to
coffee and so we've got this beautiful thing data layer and this beautiful person who was building it for two
years for free who's seemingly not building it now but maybe it's just behind the scenes I don't know
and it just seems that a simple drag and drop uploader for data layer
isn't that much work compared to
uh adding a lot of complex layers to it that involve payment and things that
will crash and there'll be glitches or just have it as free like torrents sort of like it's like if torrents were not quite launched and someone was like you know what i'll
finish torrents off let's add a free image uploader and then let's add a payment option on torrents
okay well let's get it all in one let's get torrents and free torrents ready payment torrents
and free torrents and it's like no no no just release the free version people just want free
torrents they don't want to you don. They don't want to have to make money
off it. That's just, well, no, let's do it all together. And that's kind of what DataLayer
feels like. It feels like the great man is doing like five people's jobs or was, and
it didn't need a payment option. It needed the free up image uploader and
that's now sort of gone silent in my opinion and isn't that's fair that's
fine but that is that's on what that's been on my mind and so I thought I
should commit it to the visual paper of the audio metaverse that is a live space so there it is by
the way of all the people in cheer that helped me financially let me just pour
this verse this morning coffee is dedicated to the Canadian maple leafs
Maple Leafs.
Ice hockey, a real men's game.
Yeah, the person who's helped me most financially in cheer was Michael Taylor.
I've been given a couple of nice donations, let's say, basically about $3,000.
But he really was the only one that's...
I shouldn't say the only one because other people have helped in different ways.
But realistically, he's been the only one that's given me a sizable amount of money.
And I really appreciate that.
And that's a, so it's not a personal thing.
He's helped me more than basically anyone.
And the fact he's working on Data Layer and it's seemingly slowed down, that's not having a go.
He's got a right to.
But I'm trying to look at it objectively.
It's the same way Acevale helped me a lot as well.
Acevale really helped me.
He helped me mint the mutant ape.
He put something on Ethereum to prove something cryptographically.
He didn't charge me money.
Just really kind help across the board from Acevale.
Really nice guy. really like him and
respect him. And then one of my collections had its volume taken off on Mintgarden, and god that
pissed me off, and it still does. It was like four or five chia, no, no, it's 30 chia, volume was gone.
And so even though he really helped me so much it was so nice
and i gave him the benefit of the doubt i tried to get the volume back but i can't look the other
direction i see some censorship going there and it's not probably not even malicious it's just
trying to do the right thing but it's the same thing here with michael is he's helped me more than
basically anyone but i still would love to have a simple drag and drop image up data
uploader for the data layer without having other options that would really help me
and also free nft minting and air dropping on cheer would really help me uh that used to be available with ace fell's mint garden
studio and then that went that was taken away so things appear in cheer and disappear
i think that that is strange i just think that's sort of like okay everyone come around
to my house for dinner I make the best food ever fucking turkeys jam croissants for cheesecakes
with this that and the other it's all presented nice it took like you'd say that took 12 hours to
do there's so much food it's like an AI picture of just deliciousness.
And I'm like, okay, come in the room, everyone.
I come in.
There you go.
Take your sweet foods.
There you go, cheese in.
Like, Bradley, grab a fork.
Get your plate.
You're going to enjoy this.
And everyone's ready to eat.
Mmm.
Okay, check this out.
And then I do the whole smash it all on the floor just with one arm like a forearm
drive all the food straight onto the floor smash enjoy the food but it took almost no effort to do
it and a massive amount of effort to do it so the fact the food is on the floor makes it's just
strange to me there's nothing wrong with it if you want to do it's your food but why is the food on the floor when it took more effort to put it
on the table and it feels like that in chia there's a few things that are absolutely brilliant
that people put a lot of time into free nft minting on chia airdropping boom a drag and drop image up data for data layer which was basically i think it
was called sprout i i almost used it put it that way it didn't quite work but it was clearly
something i was doing with then that's not live now or at least not that i can see so
i just find the maths of it strange no one one's done anything wrong. People built their own food,
but why is it not on the floor? That's a bit unfair, but why is it not seemingly on the table
for the regular guy to use? Hey, what else? I'm going to dig another hole. Gene, are you listening?
I dig another hole. Gene, are you listening? Gene, are you friends with Marc Andreessen?
Gene, how powerful are you? Gene, Gene, let's talk. Gene, I've been trying to talk. Gene,
let's talk. Let's take down the elite, Gene. Let's take them down. One after the other.
let's take them down one after the other first mark andres and i'd love to wipe that smile off
his face peter teal god the things i'd love to do to him i'd love to play him at goldeneye
me and peter teal at goldeneye facility license to kill proximity mines p, welcome to my garden.
God, let's do it, Gene.
Let's get Peter Dill and Mark Andreassen on a stage.
Let me do the rest, and the cheer community can provide the backup.
Spear! Spear! Spear!
You're listening to Art Thursdays.ley is on the way i think it's his wife's birthday so
shout out to madison bradley's wife and they're having a child together so future
mother of his child and uh yeah so they'll be probably says he is coming but
it'll be a bit later so if anyone wants to sort of either chat or do a solo rant please
send a request
okay let's i think i'm gonna go through some alternate conspiracy theories on about chia
conspiracy theorism about chia that is what if it all is not quite what it seems what if
chia is being promoted to make it not known to anyone so if i if i just dispassionately try and
look at the chia ecosystem from the sort of point of view of well if i just take my emotion out of it
and i've hosted a few spaces and i've got chia music if i just dispassionately look at it
my conclusion is that it's being deliberately sabotaged deliberately which is an act of trying to smash the food off the table.
Calling it mining, no, not calling it mining.
Let me say that again.
Not calling it mining when it launched.
It wasn't quite a red flag.
It was like one level below red flag.
What's that? Like an amber alert or something.
And I remember Dylan Rose rose another i mean good god
what a brilliant leader dylan rose i really like him and he could be the star if you want to get
a job with cni you want to get edward loose praising you or hosting a space with you good
god they'll sign you up in five minutes if you're a programmer working on cheer but dylan rose who's
on the number one cheer music
album brilliant musician singer could be the face of cheer could be the head of team satoshi could
be this that or the other oh man now he's just uh backup spaces host and it's he should be the main
man he should be at the front i'm dylan rose and i'm doing ai holographic glasses
that fucking this that and the other like with voice connected and it's that's what you don't
want him in the ambiguous role of well what's going on there why is there a chia project with
five million funding that's released its first thing on base like it almost says like silicon
is an ethereum project i can't i'm not not being
argumentative it that's from the recent space that's what it sounds like it may be on tier as
well which is kind of madness but so if you say what should we do to sabotage tier well
don't give any funding to anything and then when something comes along give five million dollars
to someone who was working on something else.
And then that will stop.
And now we'll release something on base.
I mean, someone could come up with that idea and you could say, well, that was just a bad idea.
But I sort of dispassionately look at that and I think, is that being done deliberately?
Are you trying to mess it up?
It doesn't make sense. sense like we don't need
five million for something on ethereum we need about ten thousand dollars on cheer for the
organic projects and it really is a low figure ten thousand it's not a lot in tech terms so the
fact that this i'm not saying to me i want to be clear i'm not after the grant for myself because
that would be obvious oh well he's just pissed off no no it's the ecosystem that needs it that's i'm one small
project or with a lot more big projects out there i'm talking mayor of abandoned land i'm talking
slowest time lord john ace fail like free minting aren't you how much do you want for the free
airdropping nft thing like what would ace fail say 30 grand 100 if ace
fail turned around and said i'm sorry gene that's the best code i've ever done a million dollars
just give him it ace fell just have a million put it in your shirt pocket off you go have a year
holiday you've done your bit free nft minting a million dollars and that's the mink garden studio
free minting option by the way which is already live in its work before it's now not on the table it's on the floor it's
gone how hard would it be to give a cell some money to make it happen but we
don't have it what we've got is five billion cent to silicon Michael Taylor
Dylan Rose I presume they signed NDAs which is a non-disclosure agreement, otherwise known as self-censorship.
And why isn't Dylan Rose in spaces?
Or why isn't Michael in spaces?
These are the charismatic stars that have actually proven that they got what it takes.
Somehow they're not...
How can I say?
It just doesn't seem that they're as active now as before.
And investment should go the other way.
Like if Chia Music got $10,000, oh my God, I'd be hosting spaces more.
I'd be releasing a lot more music probably.
Really, I'm not releasing stuff on cheer music
because I've got my own the Bitcoin music name and I'm the carbon credits of
they've really made me question if I should even use the cheer name in cheer
music and that's I've been mulling that over for quite a while now and I think
if Bitcoin 2 launches,
I'll release Chia Music as Bitcoin Music on Bitcoin 2
and just carry on.
Leave the original Chia Music album as a one-off.
That stays there.
And then it will carry on on Bitcoin 2.
Second album would be on Bitcoin 2.
So the 2 branding.
2bitcoin.org.
Check it out recently
purchased it feels nice to Bitcoin org not Bitcoin to dog that was gone but
someone in the world is screwed up to Bitcoin org is now registered to me so I
am NOT in any way linked to Bitcoin one by the way I am simply a Chia community member who
wants to replace the record industry so and by the way it's that's a lot easier to do right now
replacing the record industry will be actually quite easy oh you know actually it's all run by
one secret religion it turns out there's three record companies all owned by basically one secret society.
When that secret society crumbles, those three record companies will essentially be finished.
It's then a question of do you keep them or get rid of them?
And there's arguments to be made, keep them or sell them off or whatever.
Maybe one of them could be for one blockchain, one could be for another.
The music industry is a lot easier to replace than it seems because it's centrally owned.
So that's what I want to do. But I think I've lost my train of thought. Was I talking about
grants for people in the ecosystem? What was I saying? Oh, yeah, the development slowed.
I think I'll probably meander back on there's people in the cheer
ecosystem that only need five fifty dollars to a hundred here and there and then ten thousand would
make a massive difference the mayor of abandoned land slowest time lord john the food space marmot's
team ace veil uh grant dylan just just slipping 10 000 in the top pocket you know when you put 10
grand in so you pat them on the chest like that there you go kid off you go there's nothing for
these people they're rich 10 grand to people that own boats and earn 100 grand 400 grand a year it's
like you want a cigar yeah well shove this up put this in your mouth and off you go. I'm Monica Lewinsky
And off you go. It's throwaway money
So the fact that it's not happening years later when it's all I've done is talk about no grants program
Not enough funding the fact that it's not happening
It I
Dispassionately I look at it. I thought is it deliberate sabotage at what point?
Will it and you could say well they gave monkey zoo a grant yeah but moderating a forum and taking money is I feel that grants shouldn't shouldn't go to people
that are only either gonna moderate something or be the head of a
foundation they it should just be to not anyone but almost anyone so if I'm if that are only either going to moderate something or be the head of a foundation.
It should just be to not anyone, but almost anyone.
So if like a militant person turned up with an X on his forehead and he was like, I'm for love, but I'm whatever,
like I'm the X on tattoo on your forehead NFT gang,
well, let that person have a grant too.
It's like, I'm not that that strict but we don't want it only
five developers or five people like it needs to be okay i'm interested in building on cheer what
do i do well i'm a hundred dollars short on my rent this month but if i could make that i could
you know host 20 spaces that that's what you want small amounts of money we don't have that we don't
we've never really had any money the only people who've ever had money have signed an NDA at some point or
moderated a forum for them and that's not that reeks of censorship not building
rewind back to 22 the world record Twitter space it's all been archived so
it's not like you couldn't go back and listen
and steve steps archived it bradley archived it i think or maybe he archived the second one but
oh bradley archived the second one and i think steve steck archived the first and maybe the second so it's very clear what was said in that first space is almost everyone in chia wants
an xch name that or an address basically which the official.xch
addresses through ICANN would take years so realistically that's not going to help Chia
tomorrow. XCH names is what people wanted. World record space, what was it, 169 hours was it?
Yeah, 168 plus one because someone did an extra hour second year was 207 it was 200 and then
someone added seven hours onto that and we did 272 07 first world record we want xch names we want
xch names we want xch names we want xch names we want xch names and then that to me psychologically
says people need their island to work from and once
they've got that island then they can develop on cheer so if Edward wanted to
release something on cheer he would just need the Edward XCH name and that's a
permanent island it will always be Edward and then he can release NFTs from
Edward or host spaces from Edward or create controversies linked to Edward or you know
have sex with a famous page three girl and then in the story it says the owner of Edward XCH anything
that draws people to Edward XCH is what I needed and I think what other people needed and that's a an island to live off to work from and
if you've got a digital island to work from an NFT basically it's what an XCH name would be
then you can create apps from there then you can be an app user from there and I just think two and a half years later is it what was it July 22 July 23 July 24 well it
you know what it may even be closer to I forgot what I just counted 2002 to three to four so
it's almost three years still not got an XCH name we've got rented names on cheaper. That's different, isn't it? That's not the same. People
in the market to buy a house, whether it's a mortgage or not, you're trying to own it at the
end of it. So a mortgage is basically a sort of interest added, broken up set of payments. It's
not renting. You're actually buying. As soon as you stop paying, it's not renting you're actually buying as soon as you stop paying it's
taken off you but you're not renting it there's a difference between renting a house and buying it
definitely you own it versus you will never own it and that's the rented names on chia the names
down the chia name service they're like sinking islands that a hidden creator controls the strings of that can be sank or stolen or
invaded or raped and pillaged at any moment and there's absolutely nothing you can do and every
year you have to renew it and if you ever forget you get arrested sent to prison falsely bang your
head if you ever forget to do it your island is gone and edward.xch that you put all your effort into
and all your brand and time and spaces
and change the name of the spaces and printing T-shirts,
that's now owned by RightSexYork and or BenatridisVing.
So who are BenatridisVing and RightSexYork?
I don't know.
And I'm not sure why they took the low-hanging fruit
but didn't follow the common sense of doing them permanently
because it's more effort.
I mean, presumably they'll work on names now for the rest of their life
because they have to.
For the one user that might keep renting it out,
you really have to keep it going for them.
Otherwise, you're not fulfilling your
word i guess so doing a rented service is basically it needs to be done forever until
it's permanently owned and when it's permanently owned you don't ever have to work on it again
you could just drop the tools walk off i'm not doing that but well what happens then you could fork the nft collection couldn't you so even
if a team comes along and does permanent names and says i can't do that anymore i'm out i refuse to
use computers again i'm living in nature anyone could come along and take the nft collection fork
it with the same addresses same names and just carry on so permanent names are essentially sensor proof
but rented names unfortunately are not because you the islands are disappearing and falling so
a big part of chia's development is because we don't have permanent names and why if that how
much would it cost to get someone in cheer to do that really from the grunt from the pre-farm or
even just if if gene was like you know what i'm not gonna drive my boat this week let's put that
money aside and get the name service going would it be that hard i don't think it would be personally
i think that if we wanted a permanent name system on cheer it would have it because it's actually quite easy not easy easy i don't know how
i know would have no idea but for the people that would know i would guess it wouldn't be that hard
although i am only guessing there so yeah that would be god giving permanent names to influencers
it'd be so easy to onboard them. You want a free name on cheer?
Here it is.
Boom.
You've onboarded a user.
They don't even have to do anything.
But giving someone a rented name is like giving them a lifetime of having to do something every year.
Oh, God, no.
Just no.
no please just know okay time for some coffee
Please, just no.
Okay, time for some coffee.
so at some point in the last six months i just started thinking it doesn't matter if there is
a permanent name system on chia because if and when bitcoin 2 launches just do it there just do a permanent name system on Bitcoin to PNS would you
rather have a cheer PNS name or a Bitcoin to PNS name if you were in cheer I guess
it's wrong to ask the cheer crowd because you'd probably rather it was on
cheer like me because then I'd have it but if it's not gonna happen on cheer
because for whatever reason a world record conversation saying that's what
you wanted was not enough to conversation saying that's what you wanted
was not enough to show that that's what you wanted then just do it somewhere else imagine free pns
names on bitcoin too you could give to celebrities fighters page three girls like why do we not have page three girls on Chia? I'm being serious. I'm not.
Like, one of the most simple... One of the most simple marketing strategies.
It's not as easy for a man because basically for whatever reason the penis is seen as vulgar so if you did this don't do this in public if
anyone's listening but basically at least half the world's population roughly if they just
take their top off it's free marketing so page three three girls in england
and i have though i never used to look at it that fake breasts and all that it's not for me
but uh in england the sun newspaper the third page this was a national newspaper children read
like the corruption of like the soul whatever but the third page the pay hence the phrase page three girls of this national newspaper
The Sun was just always a different topless woman
So to be clear, I don't I
Don't think Gia should market itself as the topless woman
blockchain, but just for the sheer easy low-hanging fruit that
Page three women could have their own permanent name on Gia,
where they own the brand, and it, oh, well, that's sexist.
Well, hold on a sec.
That's my body.
It's not let me choose what I want to do on my page, right?
So I suppose the same thing would apply to men.
If a man took his top off oh yeah
i suppose women like a six-pack so maybe men could do the same thing but it's a little bit of human
body is not vulgar i'm not saying what be vulgar but the fact that she has got no real women that
no real women that do that is a red flag simply because of how easy it is to get
attention with that and the fact that we don't and I think it's because we don't
have an island we don't have a permanent place so like topless Bob let's say
topless Bob can get his male chest out on cheer but where do you find topless Bob
oh well copy and paste his xch address that doesn't work it just doesn't work how do you
remember well topless Bob dot xch I'll never forget that like if if someone came in today
all right I'm topless Bob on cheeria. Oh, well, where are you?
Oh, Topless Bob.xch, of course.
What do you, of course.
Like, it's logical.
A new form of music.xch.
Thefood.xch.
Endertown.xch.
Joshpainter.xch.
Like, there's the mayor of Abandoned Land.xch.
There's certain names that are just obvious no-brainers.
You wouldn't even have to remember it.
It says, oh, where's Josh?
Well, obviously, at Endertown or Josh Painter. But topless Bob can go from being you'll never find him to
he's got a permanent, easy-to-remember location forever to run a brand from. And that is the
power of the PNS system and permanent names. You can build a life brand from it in my opinion and the fact
that we don't have the low-hanging fruit of it I find it suspicious for different reasons that
would just the controversy you'd get from topless names and the questions it wouldn't sink the
blockchain it just draw attention it's the it's not the first thing you should do you should try and get top level influencers first
you should get logan paul first you should get anthony scaramucci the mooch first
they're the who you go with first but if for whatever reason you can't afford to get the
top level influencers there's low-hanging fruit for regular people using a little bit of sex,
which is human nature.
There's nothing wrong with that.
It's down to individuals what they do.
But the fact we don't have it, again, why?
It reeks of sabotage to me.
And I'm not saying that Chief C&ni is paying topless women to go away no it's that they've
never heard of it because it's called farming and chia instead of bitcoin 2 and mining so it's
there's a disconnect people have never heard of chia that's a reality uh in a blockchain sense, I should say. They've heard of the Chia Pets company because that was a viral sensation in America.
It wasn't everywhere, I don't think,
but the Chia Pets was a viral thing.
So that's embedded in people's mind as a viral thing.
So trying to replace a brand
that's also a viral brand is even harder.
So people just haven't heard of the Chia blockchain.
Bitcoin 2 on the other hand,
I bet they would have heard of that quite quickly
because well, Terminator 2, right?
Alien, Alien 2, aliens, but you can't do Bitcoin 2s.
It doesn't work, so, or Bitcoins, I guess it won't work.
But Bitcoin two has got a ring to it.
Oh my God.
Bitcoin two, topless influences on Bitcoin two.
Oh, you're sexist male topless influences on Bitcoin two.
Don't one track mind there.
Like whatever you want, whatever gender you want,
you can be topless on
bitcoin too with a pns name nothing sexist about that
and the story of the p the pns that's p for peter n for norman s for sugar
is permanent name system.
I did not know about the PNS link at first,
but at endertown pointed that one out,
that it sounds like a certain thing,
but which I think is good.
That works.
Okay, so why PNS name?
So you've got unstoppable domains.
On Ethereum, unstoppable domains are a centralized permanent name system.
What's that mean?
So words are linked to an NFT.
That's your options there.
I don't know what Yaks Handle system uses.
If it's not an NFT, then I feel like it should be an NFT because you can sell it and trade it.
And selling an NFT name is the equivalent
of selling a new.com
because these names will be websites too.
So Unstoppable Domains,
I think if you go to the URL,
it is unstoppabledomains.com.
So just check that out.
But they're doing a centralized version.
What's that mean?
They sell you the NFT and then all the shortfalls of Ethereum
with the smart contracts and all that.
But then you're relying on the Unstoppable Domains team
to keep their links up so that if you go to, I don't know,
edward.crypto, let's say say you could use it to do a limo service or
have your website there if their servers are running so unstoppable domains are i think the
world's first permanent name service they don't call it that but uh and it also may not technically
be permanent because the smart contracts on ethereum if these
names on unstoppable domains on ethereum could be deleted then they may not be permanent so it may
just be a long-term name system but giving them the benefit of the doubt if unstoppable domains
is a permanent main system then it's the world's first and they're they're laying eggs of different
names all the time i'm seeing money grab this
won't work long term written all over that they've got dot crypto they've got dot 888 they've got dot
bitcoin dot blockchain dot wallet uh what else dot did i say dot nft dot uh dot x that was a few years
ago and and then it was dot anime dot manga they're going to do every single
dot something with every single something dot something so i i've got loads of those uh that's
my biggest crypto investment is unstoppable domains on ethereum i've got like uh i think
i've got chia music on it like chia music dot nft which would powered by aetherium through
the unstoppable domain service unstoppable names domain service but that put they just it seems it
it's catching on it seems that people are buying these names up and up and even though they're releasing more extensions which devalues everything before it you want one name system
in my opinion not multiple that's that should be a different layer on a layer one of a blockchain
you just want one and that's dot xch on chia or dot bitcoin 2 on bitcoin 2. you don't want oh as
well as dot this dollar have that maybe but one simple name everyone can invest in
is more valuable than infinite domains, infinite names, et cetera.
That's an idealist future, yes,
but one simple name system that works well is more important, I think.
There's some hundreds in the audience there.
It's also the power of Pareto's law make one really nice food at a barbecue
rather than try and make lots of foods but
then again some people will make lots of foods nicer than one main thing
so I just think in general one simple thing everyone
relates to is better but
So unstoppable domains on aetherium is
The kind of the flag bearer and and also a good role model and template of what is working They've got badges on it. You got you can do super DNS. You can do the limo service
You can have your own website on it, but I'm just seeing a money grab a
Bitcoin to
Permanent name service take it on an Ethereum permanent name service. I think that would be a popcorn
Muncher so to speak or who could win here? Do you want the?
sort of permanent names that can be censored with aetherium smart contracts or the genuine permanent names of Bitcoin 2 and Chia that can't be taken
away from you because the websites are powered by simple drag and drop upload on data layer
with free mirroring and if anyone tries to delete the name service the best they could
probably do is fork it and do their own version of it on a different smart on a different
nft collection on chia and try and compete with it you can't go back in and delete the nft once it's out there so cheers nfts are just magic cheers nfts are way underused that world record space
space 169 hours how many nft projects could have been born out of that if there was a permanent
name but also a little bit of funding not a lot a little bit it's that's you've got to put a little
bit of money in to an ecosystem and i don't for whatever reason cheer hasn't done it they've put it into certain people but that's not like we need topless
bob in cheer come on let's get topless bob hey everyone welcome to art thursdays bradley's
celebrating the birthday of his lovely wife,
so shout out to Bradley. I think he said he's going to come and come to the space later as well,
but we'll see. I'll keep solo ranting. If he doesn't come, then we'll take it from there. get things off my chest. So where could I go next?
If there was a community run Bitcoin too
and people wanted to do it and I had bought the URL,
which I have done, then I feel like the URL
should be run by someone else
and I should basically transfer it as quickly as possible.
That would be decentralized chia has kept CNI has kept hold of the cheer dotnet name
and because they own it they're not the community has got no say in it they keep
they keep sort of can I say it's like this cheer website is a I think it used to be beautiful
actually I think it was simple and beautiful at the start and then now it's
sort of it's not that beautiful and it is had carbon credits written on it and
this found the other and as a community home page for a blockchain chia.net is not
bringing in the casual which they might say that's never our goal i would say why
that doesn't make sense you've got a big pre-farm that if the blockchain goes up in price
you will be far richer so surely you want like so that's reeks of sabotage why is the house
who invite people to not pristine if it's not that hard to make it pristine
you know some of the best programmers in the world on cheer and work for the
company but Bitcoin to website run by the community with community upgrades and
updates linked to live spoken conversations
i think that you would get some interest with that and then that a pns system on bitcoin too
should in theory be easy to release on cheer as well so that's the way that i see the different
chains competing with each other is it's actually beneficial if things
happen on other chains because proof of space and time it's just simple cheer lisp I would guess
would it be probably Bitcoin list or would it be Bitcoin to list thoughts on a postcard if
Bitcoin to launch what should the programming language be called the community would decide you guys the choice is
yours and I need to figure out how to transfer a domain I think you just just like an option in
the thing where you literally change the DNS and someone else has control I think hope that's right i bought it for about four years and i think i should transfer
it at the very latest at the end of the first year preferably sooner but not longer than a year i
think i think it's safer then different people should because bitcoin.org who owns that there
is a question there that's the official
homepage of Bitcoin who really owns that right now Bitcoin foundation well who is
that what what is that is that the the Bitcoin core team well if Bitcoin to
ran up to Bitcoin or get it be the Bitcoin to community so they in that
case it's far more open I know who it is
or at least I could name some people likely so yeah I think that the what
should be on a Bitcoin to home page I love thinking of stuff like this but if
anyone has thoughts yeah let's send them. I'd love to hear them.
What could be reset from Chia? What would you improve on Chia if you release Bitcoin 2 as a community?
I would think the pre-farm would get quite a lot of agreement with that, I think.
If you led with, well, no pre-farm, that will really be a plus in the
column of Bitcoin too, I think. I shouldn't say I think, I know that one. That feels the most
intuitive. If you release Chia with no pre-farm and from the start with Bitcoin too, the pre-farm being gone will be a big positive thing a
PNS name, that's what I want, but I that wouldn't be easy to do so have to leave that off the table for the launch
One maybe cap to cap pairs is that as foods always says we need cap to cap pairs cap to cap as is that to do? I'm not sure. I would think that that is easy if you make each colored coin a million,
sorry, a trillion, a trillion mojos.
Then I don't see how it would be hard.
So if you said that every colored coin on bitcoin 2 must be a million mojos by default
let's say and maybe you could make it less i'm not sure but if you just had it as a trillion
mojos for every bitcoin 2 maybe you could burn bitcoin 2 to create the cat or the colored coin
i feel like that's not a guaranteed winner but that might be popular
on again is it sabotage we've got a thousand mojos cats on chia when the default was a trillion
like why is it a thousand that renders bitcoin incompatible with chia
because the minimum cheer is 0.001 as a bitcoin two cat so what's 0.001 of bitcoin
uh point zero so it's like a tenth hundred thousandth so a thousand off bitcoin price
what's that a hundred so a hundred dollars it's like the minimum uh bitcoin two you can have on
cheer that's way too much like you need surely you've got to trade bitcoin at
0.001 bitcoin or no that's not a good example surely you've got to exchange bitcoin at like
0.001 cent of bitcoin if you want to but on chi you can't ten dollars is the minimum that's a
deliberate decision that has been made that reeks of sabotage to me that's a let's ruin it
so it doesn't work thing could be wrong but i feel that a trillion mojo cats by default makes sense
because then at least it maps and cat to cat trading is then easy because everything is linked to the XCH and there's no XBX to, I don't know, Memcoin X, what could it be?
Pumpcoin.
It just means there's no, you can't go from one to the other that easily.
So I feel that that would be something to promote and push.
What else?
The name, of course. course cheer is somewhere in the
region of poor to quite poor it's not terrible I think Bitcoin too is a I
don't think there's a better name for getting a shot so let's test if it's a
simulation so if this is a simulation, if anyone is above that,
I'm gonna push the simulation.
If there's a God, I'm pushing the simulation all the way.
All the way, baby.
So let's see.
If it is a simulation, Pink Floyd will reform,
Bitcoin 2 will launch,
and I think that we'll finally get the ecosystem
that we want.
If it's not a simulation then it may either of those two
things may still happen but it's probably a lot more dangerous than uh i want to admit to myself
so excitement bitcoin 2 would tick that box and welcome everyone to art thursdays if anyone wants to come up and
give their two cents or point zero zero one bitcoin xgh cat as it currently stands then please do
more coffee
and so og plots that's it i think that bitcoin 2 should launch with og plots and just say nothing
just just how many plots in the world currently are there of chia that are og
in fact probably there's some people that would actually know that.
There may be a way to measure it, but I'm going to guess that from that first two months,
when it was, was it 20 or 30 EB? I think on chia at that point that 100 of them were og plots so
at some point 20 to 30 units of the biggest measurement we've seen so far exabytes on chia
plots then nft plots came in and sometime after that it feels i won't say it went wrong because
it's constant evolution but it feels like it lost the almost like the unity of the
the unity i don't know if that's the right word but but it feels like there was too many plot changes that fragmented people I one of my friends is
a policeman in England he's farming tree mining cheer back in the day and I think
it just stopped working at some point and I just stopped wanting to keep
telling him and he stopped wanting to know and I think he's still got his
cheer that he mind and but as far as I to know and I think he's still got his cheer that
he mind and but as far as I is he mining now no he's got a hard drive with a few og plots so if
you wanted to power Bitcoin too I think the logical solution is to just go to the og plot if you want
the biggest net space quickly okay you can keep farming that like i saw that uh mayor of abandon
land is selling his farm for bit chia i guess because it's just not profitable if he could
mine bitcoin too for a month or two will he still sell it i don't know if i was at a massive farm
i think i would take a chance on a new blockchain,
even if it just got rid of the pre-farm,
because of what a potential hindrance that is.
You know, if one group or one secret entity owns a pre-farm,
then they can just constantly ruin the blockchain,
and you can never get away from it.
Until it's all whatever all
the pre-farm's gone but i know that they're not putting it into the organic community so
i've personally witnessed that like the pre-farm is not being sold to fund it's being
it's just being sold so it's it leaves us the bags, or leaves me with the bags, I should say, psychologically.
I just want my permanent name with a simple drag-and-drop uploader to DataLayer.
But I just have to keep putting it out into the universe each Thursday.
Hopefully one day it will dusting here come true.
Something else that could come true P&S names that's how interesting Chia is I'm dusting on a Friday morning whilst
hosting now it is interesting there The one thing Chia has never
not been is fucking fascinating. It's always been brilliant. Yes, there's things that you want to
be better. If you said to me, if you could go through the last four years again or never go
through it, I'd go through it like 100 times. It's amazing like 90 amazing 10 kind of really still cool
and then a little bit of well why don't they fund the grant program then oh well i'll go through a
conspiracy theory rabbit hole and try and figure it out so that's me saidwood loose the weed smoker
from asia who's had helicopters going over his apartment a lot more in the last year
probably nothing probably nothing
i actually think there might be an underground
railway base over where the helicopters are flying so i I've not ruled out. I actually think it's probable that it's not linked to me,
as I thought at first.
And they may be flying to some secret.
It's like a building that I'm looking at it now
because I can see it from my balcony.
They fly right over my head and sort of seem to land about...
It's about half a kilometre away as I'm looking at it.
The helicopters keep flying in threes.
It's almost every time it's three helicopters and the army,
so they just fly over to that building and they seem to land near it.
When I started talking about potential secret societies ruling blockchains.
It seemed to start around that time,
but I also don't think that probably that many people
care what I say in a space.
So what I started to think was,
what if there's an underground railway base
and the elites can travel internationally underground,
can travel internationally underground and but you have to get on the train so I think what would an
but you have to get on the train?
elite really elite person if there was an underground train system how would you go there
I think an elite person would not be able to avoid taking a helicopter for speed let's get a
helicopter to the underground station then whatever so I think think, yeah, so that's my update.
I don't think the helicopters are tracking me
or trying to scare me, let's say.
I think it's more likely an underground railway system
that connects countries that we don't know about.
Well, that would be great.
Imagine traveling internationally underground
and it takes like two hours to get from Tokyo
to San Francisco rather than flying for like 15, 20 hours and you can crash and it's uncomfortable
and like imagine traveling underground free.
I think that's the future of Bitcoin too, I really do.
I think the elites have built underground transport systems
that only the elite are using.
And if that's the case, the public own them
because they've been built with stolen public funds, basically.
So any sort of amnesty with mark andreas and with peter teal the people that are doing this
and keeping it secret who control technology that one of the key things you'd have to leverage
would be to open up all the underground railway systems that regular people could use.
So you don't go by helicopter.
You walk there like a normal person.
But then you can travel to Tokyo in two hours for free, let's say,
because they've already been built, and I would guess they're powered by magnets.
I'm kind of visualizing.
Yeah, it's probably a magnet train system they've got.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Shinkansen of Japan was a sort of above-ground test, possibly, for something else.
Underground kind of magnet base, but...
Or was it Maglev?
That was another.
But, yeah, underground trains.
Would you travel from San Francisco to Tokyo
in an underground train though?
Kind of, like imagine if they tried to take you hostage.
You won't be able to do anything underground,
so it could be dangerous,
but another reason to open them up.
Okay, Steve Steppers tweeted something out.
I just saw it pop up on my screen what
could it be amazingly I created the art for every NFT at that address of yours
law interesting what address was that topless Bob doc I'm opening it up. I'll pin it to the top. As I pin this, I don't know what this is going
to be, so it's going to be a mystery. I'm opening the link Steve Steppp sent, it's an XCH address. Takes me to mintgarden.io.
Oh wow, I see it's the Michael Taylor address.
Got you, that's cool
cult of mama super battle cats
space bugs
Battle dogs three two seven battle cats 63 the cheer music nft
40 XCH
So Michael Taylor has put the cheer music number one nft
Up for 40 XCH now. I'm gonna give a little i don't think you should buy
that anyone but if at any point pink floyd are about to reform buy that straight away for 40xch
it's a bit of a disconnect and you probably well that's a bit weird but don't buy the 40xch nft
of michael taylor unless pink floyd are announced as reforming and then
buy it as quickly as you can would be by advice with that one yeah the chia music number one nft
made by steve step it it was designed by stevepp using AI right back when AI launched. And I was like, oh, that's a brilliant image.
And then I said, Michael Taylor helped me more than anyone.
$3,000 he'd donated.
And he bought the number one Chia Music NFT for like seven Chia.
So it is a bit of a weird situation sometimes when you host space
or you feel you should point something out
because it's sometimes it's people that you like and respect and have helped you and that makes it
sometimes a bit awkward so i like to keep saying like again again what a great guy michael taylor
is and he's helped me more than anything so that cheer music nft when it sold for seven tier i think it well no it's more than seven
cheer i'm getting confused i should check the price history because there was a space alien
number one i think that may have sold for seven cheer oh that i i think it the cheer music number It's interesting, I can't remember.
10.5 XCH Michael Taylor bought it for.
Yeah, so it was higher than seven, it was 10.
And that's just a little bit of everything there.
So yeah, it's worth 40-year Floyd reform, that's for sure.
Nice, so Steve Stepp has created everything at that Michael Taylor address.
That is really interesting.
The love that's flowing through the veins of that fine man. so release bitcoin 2
reform pink floyd if you can't do that just carry on release pns names on bitcoin 2
just carry on release pns names on bitcoin 2
onboard influencers to bitcoin 2 with pns names and go from there i feel that would fix
almost every problem at here and do it with og plots and then if that leads to the chain being just too centralized because this that
and the other can happen then let the community decide how to update the
blockchain and if no one does it will fail like that's that to me like if the
garden is not watered and it should the plants die well it will die then it
won't work so that's that's what I think
should happen anyway I how long have I been got hour and a half I'm taking here
after here of weed here I don't know how much longer I can keep going I'll do 30
minutes more if Bradley's not here by then I guess I'll maybe wind it down.
But if anyone wants to come... Oh, no, Bradley's updated. He's feeling exhausted.
That's all good, Bradley. If you're listening, take it easy, man.
He's very, sorry, exhausted and fighting to keep my eyes open. That's all good.
I'll just message Bradley back.
Sleep well, angel.
All good.
Happy birthday.
To your lovely wife your birthday to your lovely wife okay i've just messaged bradley
so bradley's not going to make it then that's fine it's a shame but it's his wife's birthday so
it's better that he celebrates it with her anyway so yeah if anyone wants to come I will definitely wind it down now in which case
less than 30 minutes away so if you would like to keep the space going more than a few minutes then
please come up otherwise I'll this will be a 90 minute solo rant as they call it so what's on your top five
if there's an amnesty for the elite what are the top five things you'd like that are rumored to
be real underground fast train network boom free energy boom, maybe
It seems the elite sitting on oh, we've got a request we have got a request so
Who could it be?
90 minutes into this space?
Coming up at just the key time. Well, if it isn't let's leave the dramatic
Who could it be who could it be
and who is it who's just jumped up on the stage well if it isn't mr DGN waffle. How's it going, Mr. Waffle?
One second. Give me a second. I've got to step away from the name. One second.
So DGN waffle, of course, Bradley's alter ego to some degree. I think that the best
DGN waffle impression is actually art with art. And I know that they go a long way back.
So DJ and Waffle, everyone knows him around here, of course.
If Pink Floyd are reforming Roger Waters, you're listening back.
DJ and Waffle is one of the kind, very kind, lovely early ecosystem builders.
He's been on Beeple.
He's traveling to do art shows.
He's a key member of the tang gang him and foods are like
you know what's that phrase quarterbacks is it you know like throwing the shots out from
left right and center i think there's only one quarterback in it let's say opposing
quarterbacks working together that's dj and waffles so uh yeah jump in whenever you want
i don't know about all you always give me infinitely more accolades than I could possibly ever deserve, man.
But I rolled through here and I was like, there's no one in here that is jumping up on stage to give one of the greatest monologuers of our time extra content to bounce ideas back and forth with.
So I was like, all right, I got to fucking hit, I got to hit the button, dude.
I got to go talk to Edward.
It's been a while, man.
How have you been?
Yeah, it's been, this last six months has been one of the most brilliant,
sort of stressful, but just strangely positive periods I think I've ever lived through.
I don't know if that's the same for you, but yeah, I mean, I'm,, I've been to a festival and you want to stay at the festival, but you also feel like
you should sleep for a few days. But you know, if you close your eyes, you won't be at the
festival anymore. So that's how I feel. I'm still at the festival. I can relate to that in this, I mean, in the weirdest way.
I mean, my little man, the newest waffle member of the family,
turned six months old not too long ago, man.
So, I mean, we're kind of on a very similar kind of wavelength and trajectory of like,
I don't, you ever see like, there's always like a trope in movies like when
somebody is like experiencing like a like a mind melting event or like a super bad trip or like a
super experience where like you know the camera's shaking and you see the the person like they're
like the screen is flashing red and there's like that you know that's what i feel like my life has been the
last six months of like trying to hold on to every second as it's being experienced you know
you see a lot of people talk about like oh you know i had a kid that changed my life and then
going into it it's like i always knew like i wanted a little waffle but like once
it's here man it's like holy shit like your three-month-old is not your four-month-old
your four-month-old is not your fit your five-month-old and first time they roll over is
not going to be the same every other time it's experienced and the first time they say a word
it's like you're so desperately trying to hold on to that because you feel like you're just gonna wake up and it's like damn this was just um this was just some dm tree
and dmt trip the whole time because like your life changes in this wildly okay like in this wild
way that you were weirdly accepting of like every other i feel like every other time in my life when my life got turned like ping pong,
right?
Ping pong into the different direction,
like heading one way that I didn't know how to experience before.
But this time it's like,
I'm enjoying this turn so much that like,
I don't want to see it ever eclipse to the other side.
If that makes any sense, I don't know. see it ever eclipse to the other side if that makes any sense i don't
know i get i get into these these mind frames where like i can't put into words this whole
kind of experience over the last six months and i try and but yeah yeah i constantly wake up
and roll over real quick and it's like damn is he still here is this
still real i don't want the festival to end to go back to your metaphor that makes any sense at all
man absolutely it does yeah and that feeling of you don't know what's going on but you don't want
it to end but at the same time it's like it feels like But at the same time, it's like,
it feels like it's tending towards positive.
It's like good vibes that are sort of leading the way.
And a lot of the last few years almost felt,
not always that, but yeah, I guess it's synchronicity.
Yeah, six, when was your, and congratulations.
How old now is the little waffle?
Coming up on, coming up on he'll be
coming up on the seventh month.
Not too long for now, man.
It's been a fucking
wild ride.
That's interesting synchronicity.
I'm just looking at it. Is it a simulation?
If it is, there'd be
a nice character like DJ who has a child
in the key moment moment and it'll be
like miracle on waffle street and but then it's happening so maybe it's just coincidence but
it's simulation-esque but yeah congratulations seven months but it's
he did all the dude you know there's something weird going on in just the world in general.
Like I was sitting, I was talking to some coworkers and like we all unanimously agreed,
like this year is going by so stupidly fast.
And I thought, you know, you see shit like that and you think, okay, this is a singular experience.
I just feel like I have a reason, right?
Because two sides of
the coin right my wife i get super excited to where i want to see the little man i want to see
the little man go to the next milestone the next milestone the next milestone and i get super
excited when i see him do something new and do something new her being on a mom on the other
side is like every time something new happens you get this
sense of like he'll never be this small he'll never be this little he'll never not know how
to talk he'll never not know how to crawl he'll never not know how to roll over like
so like between like you know what i mean like you have this conflicting battle inside so this
year has just been evolving so much faster than any other year prior.
But I also think, like, somebody turned up the dial,
and I think the year is just going by stupid fast for everyone.
Or maybe, maybe I'm just getting older,
and this is what years feel like now.
Monologue over.
Sorry, I was just editing the title.
It just, yeah, sorry, it took a second to reply.
Yeah, it's, again, six months, seven months.
It'd be interesting to, obviously, Food's had a child,
and Bradley's having a child.
It'd be interesting to hear if or what other synchronicities there are.
There's, like, so much going on.
But, yeah, it does feel like there's a positive sort of wave almost going up.
And this year, the time has been weird. I swear, I just traveled.
Yesterday, I think I did the most travel, I guess,
in my life in a short period of time.
Did a visa run, went to Laos and back on a train.
12-hour train there, few hours walking around,
12-hour train back.
I've never traveled 24 hours before.
So before I went, I was clean shaven going through the immigration border that's just common practice
and when I got back yesterday but what 36 hours after I left I swear my beard which was like
completely clean shaven I swear it was like longer than it's ever been after a day or two,
because normally it's like takes two or three days
and then after like three or four days,
but like this was after a day and after I was like,
oh, is relativity true that the more you're traveling,
the faster time goes?
Could that?
So if that's the case,
then what is traveling in that sense but why that and if the last six months have been
strangely fast relatively feeling what does that mean sorry i'm about 10 weed hits in here sorry
dj i should have i might be 11 in a second, but yeah, I'm curious.
What were some of the key things from my monologue that stood out?
Did anything rhyme with you?
Oh man, you're kind of like,
you've always been kind of like the Joe Rogan experience to me in the Twitter
world. If that makes any sense.
The thing I've always appreciated about you is there's three Thursdays in a row where I can be biting my nails waiting for the next topic change or the next paragraph or the next thing you bring up. And then there's a couple weeks where, you know, it's not my cup of tea,
but, you know, I can still be interested and I can take a couple weeks off
and then I can come back to an Edwards Thursday show
and still be locked the fuck in, you know what I mean?
It's kind of like that show you're really interested in,
but, you know, it's also comfort and you can leave it on in the background
and you can end up watching the whole series.
And then you're like, fuck, now I've got to go back.
You hear one good episode, or you see one good thing come by, and you're like, fuck, now I've got to go back and listen to the recording.
Because he just dropped some hot alpha on me, a topic that I never would have thought of.
You're kind of like my Thursday ASMR if that's the closest
analogy I can put it to
can I write that
my Thursday
I'm thinking of starting a Patreon
for the Art Thursdays and I think
that's the best singular
quotation there's been
that's magical and also yeah really you know me man if i'm good for anything it's a single
it's a one-off you fucking quote oh man i yeah simulation s the fact that bradley is such
Yeah, simulation-esque. The fact that Bradley is such...
Like, just based on the story, in a sense, you and Bradley are like characters from a metaverse, in a sense.
Sort of like the fact that he does an impression of you and you both came from the Drak background and from outside Shia.
I feel it's a really interesting story. It's like the matrix. I've said that to Drek a couple of times. It's a bit like a matrix story,
what Dracatus is at the background, but yeah,
I don't even know how you take that,
but is Bradley your brother in some sort of simulation is my question.
For sure. For sure. I mean, there's, you know, we, we talked to each other for, you know, years before we ever got to kind of have that IRL experience and meet up and but I can tell you there's, it's so weird, and I don't know if this is for every person, I've only met a couple people that I've met only through the internet, but, you know, when I walked in and I said, fuck, that's obviously, that's mean? Like, there's not this sense of like, how do I put this?
There's not this extra layer that you come to assume with somebody online.
Like, I guarantee if I met 008 down there in the audience, IRL, it'd be very, very much the same.
very, very much the same. It'd be, you know, I've known Brad longer than I've known most people that
I interact with on a day-to-day basis. I know some of Brad's ups. I know some of Brad's downs.
Brad and me have talked on the cell phone long before we ever met up. You know, it's so easy
when you find like-minded people to like show up and face to face and feel like brothers because that it translates more than you would expect.
Like, oh, we're fucking Internet brothers. Right. But like then you show up and it's like, damn, like I can.
This is a person I can actually sit and be myself with and be calm and just like there was a point where like in
vegas where we were just like chilling up in the hotel room and like dude we were just chilling we
were just on our phones fucking around like you know what i mean that that that calmness to be
like completely yourself around what should be a total stranger as far as the simulation goes i mean art is like art is bits and pieces of some bits and
pieces of some of my good and some of my bad into its own unique individual and i'm some of brad's
good and some of brad's bad and my own unique individual but for some reason people caught on
pretty quick they're like damn we we should have been brothers. We have very similar tempo, dialect, mannerisms.
So that's been, I don't know why, but yeah.
And I also think that we both were in crypto for the exact same kind of mission statement
of just finding good people that are doing good work that don't have an adversarial mindset.
that are doing good work that don't have a adversarial mindset and when you find good people
you know it you notice good people so quick so when me and brad are in the room you can pretty
much tell that these two guys both have the same you know mentality tempo mannerisms like i said
earlier and then you can always feel the oddball in the room, right? Like when that third person comes up that, you know,
you have a certain feeling towards, you can always pinpoint that person.
You can always feel the bad intentions of the room.
And that's why I think people always assume that me and Art were secretly IRL brothers
or there was a long outstanding rumor that we were the same person.
It's like no
we just have similar hearts man you know we we we like to make sure that other people are doing
better than ourselves and we'd like to give all of our fucking effort into whatever we're doing
and to whoever we're doing it with and I think maybe that's what's translated over. Maybe there was two souls seeking friendship across.
Twitter goes to 8 billion people have access to Twitter,
but somehow me and this fucker on the other side of the state
or the other side of the country that we live in,
of all the people in all the world,
two people that live in the same country,
but on the other sides of it formed a bond.
And that was originally through Ducatis that lived up in Canada,
and however A to B to C, but, like, you know,
the odds of us even having a friendship and knowing each other are so crazy
in the full scope of the human experience in general.
So I don't know if that answers your question at all.
I'm still confused.
But, you know if that answers your question at all i'm still confused um but you know that helps yeah the image that beautiful it answers it perfectly and uh the
image i had in my mind was you know when you've got a tuning fork of like two what's the long bit
i think is it the tongue or the fork whatever but two things, when they vibrate together, there's almost like it warps space on time.
And the fact that your similar energies came together and rhymed,
it just made me think of that like a tuning fork that somehow got into sync.
It's a great analogy.
Yes, it's curious.
I mean, I would put that more in the category of that point,
hints towards simulation more than it could just happen.
Although I think it could just happen.
And it definitely.
But if I'm dispassionately thinking, could it be a simulation to myself now, which I like to do more and more just to be sure because people go on about it.
go on about it i don't think it is a simulation by the way but i'd like to challenge the theory
I don't think it is a simulation, by the way.
But I like to challenge the theory.
and i did challenge ashton forbes to a debate which he refused to accept when he said he would
take on anyone when i said i'm trying to test the theory it's a simulation so that's a bit weird
he's the teleportation of mh370 guy but uh so simulation yeah you'd be energy there in it, programmed together, whatever.
But if it's a real world, it's very curious.
Yeah, the fact that you're basically almost brothers spiritually in a sense,
but you just sort of came together randomly.
Is it random?
Depends what you believe, I guess.
Some would say it was destiny others say
random but yeah like the tuning fork is all i can think of it as somehow you got into sync
and here we are i would i would say before the simulation off software update of X, the platform, it is a trillion percent a reality that me and Art ever interacting
in our lifetime is insane, right?
Because, like, the United States, that's a large place.
The fact that anybody from one side of the United States to the other side of the United States,
let alone somebody from one country interacting with somebody from another country,
just in general, without the software update of social media is 100% unlikely.
Should not happen.
People in Zimbabwe should never have conversations with people in Alaska.
It just didn't.
It was not a part of the human experience until these forms of technological advancement.
Even when we got down to telecommunications, I mean, there needed to be some form of wire that was traversed from Zimbabwe to the next place.
And then you have the invention of the Internet, and that spreaded it out a little farther.
But, like, until social media happened where people were sharing parts of their lives with other people, it's...
Up until this, I mean, it was 100% not part of the human experience.
But, thinking about the tuning fork as
a metaphor,
right? So, like, there's
certain people you run into
on the internet where you
just, regardless
of the outside edges,
you know you have a very,
you operate on a similar frequency.
Like, take somebody like my buddy gooey
right cookies gooey whatever orca whatever the fuck you want to call him at any particular time
me and him operate on a very very similar frequency now me i take i take the tuning fork
i slap it i listen to it i I recognize the frequency. Now you have someone
like my buddy Gooey who takes that same tuning fork and he is slamming it on the table and he
is bashing computer screens with the tuning fork. Guess what? The tuning fork still operates at the
same frequency and that's why, you know, not to bring it back to the Tang Gang, but the reason
why the Tang Gang was manifested
and it stuck around as long as it has
and it's formed into this beautiful interconnected web
is like the Tang Gang is the tuning fork for people.
And you either operate on the frequency that, you know,
we all put a hand into creating
and recognizing and setting this tune this frequency you either
are on this frequency or you are not if you want to learn how to be on this frequency we will help
you understand why we operate on this frequency and if you don't you will be blaringly obvious
that you don't belong on this same channel so So, you know, I think about, you know, you asked how someone like me and Art and Drac and all of the other homies and friends that we've made along the way.
It's like, you could argue that something like Chia and the technology of Chia being a very interesting frequency in itself.
Why did some people see Chia and say, hey, I want to fuck around with this,
and then stay for a year or two years or three years
of throwing shit against the wall and finding out what works?
Is Chia the tuning fork?
Is that why we all nestled into this particular place of the internet?
And even though we ventured out into other things,
we always kind of find ourselves back to where we feel most at home.
We all end up back at Chia.
We can take three years off and still end back up.
And Chia, is Chia the tuning fork?
Is individuality the tuning fork? Is different people's chia the tuning fork is individuality the tuning fork is different people's
intention the tuning fork i don't know i don't have an answer for that but that's that's about
the best i can monologue that it's really interesting yeah what the you know the forks
are i mean is it chia the technology or what chia allows like is it a i feel that it
being a blank slate it is a real big reason chia resonates because it's just the feeling that
if you want to make something happen like you guys of really anyone have more than anyone
so well is to realize you've got to do it yourself so what can
be that vibration that yeah other people connect to but it is a very interesting idea what's the
actual thing people are in sync with in a sense is it cheer is it the opportunity is it the
the intention like you said of the people building or is it like the wider the collective collective conscious that I think they called it,
like when you're on mushrooms and you're like,
like love is the way or something like,
is it love that's the frequency and this is just a vessel to get there?
I don't know.
It's really interesting idea.
I guess there could be more than one.
How many?
Yeah.
I've got a,
I got a very interesting story that maybe you would only appreciate.
Or, you know, you might appreciate it more than most.
So the baby was about four months old.
And the wife and her family were all going to go to this music festival, right?
It's like my first time 100% alone, right?
100% by myself, had the weekend, I could, you know, kind of have my form of meditation.
Let the wife know ahead of time, like, hey, Daddy Dejan is going gonna go on a spirit journey right so had a fresh brad fresh
batch of you know some psychedelics probably they were like a week old um and i was like all right
i'm gonna do i'm gonna go on the spirit journey right so i took about what would be the normal amount for me when i'm
doing something about that and uh it very quickly was way too much way too fast way too potent and
i essentially got stuck inside a a time loop in the course of an hour i got stuck in a time loop. In the course of an hour, I got stuck in a time loop that lasted 20 hours.
I could pinpoint every hour, every repeat, every micro detail all the way to the end.
And the only way I've been able to describe it is that I was standing at the top of a really tall water slide. And just about the time I got my balance and realized,
holy shit, somebody kicked me down another water slide. And then I'd get my bearings,
be like, holy shit. And I'd get kicked down another water slide, another water slide.
And the only real message that I could pull out of it is that time is the only thing that's real.
The only thing that kept me, honestly, if you want to get into the deep weeds of it,
I feel like the only thing that kept me here on this plane was the acknowledgement of time, right?
In the middle of all of this chaos and this bad trip or whatever you want to label it as, the only thing that mentally kept me locked on this plane was I would check the clock.
The clock would say 8.01.
Two hours into this horrible experience, I would check the clock and it would say 8.02.
And even though I'm having this mind-altering, albeit life-altering experience, I still knew that time was the only thing out of everything that had fallen apart, everything that had melted away.
All of the symbolism, all of the stress, all of the responsibility, the good, the bad, the ugly, everything that had melted away, the only thing I could focus on was that time is the only thing that's real, right? So about nine o'clock, an hour, an hour into just
the worst experience of my life, um, of just full on coming to terms with the fact that this is
where I die and the utter old anxiety of how I've gotten to this point, right?
I come out of the other side, and there's this sense of calm.
Anybody that's ever had an experience like that, there's this sense of calm that you experience on the other side.
And, you know, nothing can be worse.
And nothing can be worse.
Good is good, but bad is a mental place, if that makes any sense.
And you come into the other side, but the reason why I bring that up is that the following, like, 20 hours after that experience, I had fully come to terms with the fact of, like, we are in some form of a simulation.
Some form.
You know, not to the point of, like, total psychosis and mental breakdown of, like, oh, we're in a simulation and the world isn't real.
Like, acceptance of, like, hey, this is a simulation.
I can't explain what the simulation is.
I can't under, I can't pinpoint a start, middle, and end.
I don't know that there's some theology that I need to attain my body to
or my mind or my spirituality to going forward,
but I fully came to terms with the fact that we are in some form of a simulation
and the only thing, the only thing that should ever be stressed about
or concerned about or thought about is time itself.
And the abundance of time and the lack of time and the time in the middle of every decision
and it's like all I've been focused on lately.
And since that experience months ago, it's all I can focus on is time and trying to take the time that I can't change.
That being the only religion, the religion of time, and knowing that I've got to fill in the gaps of each second with something meaningful.
I have got to, if there's something I need to do,
then I know that time is the barrier.
Time is the negative.
Time is the up.
Time is the down.
As long as I understand and respect time,
I can do anything in between that point.
I can accomplish anything.
I can do anything as long as I respect time.
And I don't know where the fuck, how I even got into this,
but I figured you of all people could appreciate that.
That's the end.
Yeah, I got to stop there.
Wow.
Like round of applause, I guess.
I'm picturing an emoji and it's just like the round of applause sound.
I don't have the sound effects on here, but my brain was like, wow, that was some promo.
All the promos in Chia history, that's right up there.
Like time is the, you've got to respect time more than anything.
And yeah, it does, it kind of makes sense.
We're on the proof of space
and time blockchain after all and in a live conversation bradley's spiritual brother would
say actually i have been thinking of the simulation in fact i did mushrooms boom a few
like a few months ago i guess and and you were now you're thinking like well yeah it probably is
some form of i'm really curious about that it probably is some form of... I'm really curious about that.
When you say some form of simulation,
what would be the minimum level of it that you would say qualifies?
Like hooked up to batteries and were actually something else
or would just some digital manipulation from outside kind of? I would.
The best I've been able to dictate it is that there are guide rails.
And the guide rails are wide, but they exist.
And, you know, damn, you're going to crack open.
We're going to need at least three more scotches before this. But, you know, nothing is impossible as long as it's based in reality.
Like, you know, you get into, I think I don't remember exactly.
Well, I do know who I was talking about this with, but I'm not going to.
Yeah.
Anyways, but I was talking to a friend about this and, you know, I can't remember the exact
verbage they used, but like the connection between person to person, a person, a person,
right?
Like there's some weird connection that human beings have in the sense of, it's not dream
walking.
You would know what i'm talking
about it's the you know the the men who the men who stare at goats or whatever the hell that was
of like you know visualization right we're like deja vu can't possibly be real deja vu in my sense
is like you already know where you were gonna be be. So when you have this deja vu, you're just simply existing along the guardrails
of where you're destined to be, but not ultimately held to.
They're just guardrails. They're just guardrails, right?
And I feel like, in the sense of the simulation,
that I don't see it as some people do of like the matrix.
We're all hooked up to batteries and there's this ever,
this ever deity walking through the rows of human beings connected to batteries.
But I definitely do see that there's, there's paths, right?
You can either grind for the skaters in the room,
you can either grind the guardrails and understand
that you don't necessarily need to be in the middle of that.
And you can see people that are stuck in the middle of that.
And they're the people that, you know,
you see this ever outspoken relationship
between what they are fed and what they believe.
And then you have other people that live on the outskirts of these rails and realize that,
like, okay, I can have this experience and understand that the rails are there,
and I can do my best to widen the rails
and I can see that all of the shit they were shoveling people is not inherently good for
anyone but you see the message behind it you know half the time when I see these wild
messages people are trying to push like I I can see why they push that message whether I believe it or
not but like you're still experiencing and existing on these rails right and wherever the
path ends up is ultimately up to you but there's these certain you know when you go bowling you
can put the bumpers up or you can take them down, right? You can go venture out, but ultimately, you know, you have a path and you just have to figure out what your path is.
What are you good at?
What makes you happy?
And try to hold on to that because time's going to move.
Time is going to keep fucking going.
And if you venture and venture and venture and you never find what your personal guardrails were meant for you,
then you're going to end up with 30 seconds on the clock wondering,
holy fuck, what could I have done different?
But if you inverse that and you say, this is my guardrails.
I can respect my guardrails.
I can live on the outskirts of it
and still respect it and understand it.
That's helped me a lot, man.
I've gotten,
I was telling this to a friend the other night
that was, you know,
he's got some shit going on in his life
and I was trying to explain to him,
like,
I stopped,
the best thing that ever happened to me in my life
is I stopped looking for the big goal and I made each victory in my life, no matter how small, a smaller goal.
stacking a win a good walk at the end of the day seeing a smile on your wife's face seeing your kid
roll over for the first time seeing eating a good meal being able to go to sleep at night and not
worry about the next day showing up to work on time showing up these little bitty what most people
would go day to day and overlook just these tiny victories that you can control stack those wins and then you
end up at the end you end up at your goal anyways you end up where you want to be because you're
putting good shit into the world and you're stacking things you can control and that's that's
i don't know if that's originally where we started this but that's that's kind of where i'm at that
that's the simulation to me.
It's not a bunch of people hooked up to batteries.
It's just each person is destined to do a select number of possibilities, and as long as you can understand what you do good and where your heart is,
then I'm okay living in a simulation.
The simulation has treated me well.
I've got a healthy wife. I've got a healthy wife.
I've got a healthy baby.
I've got good people in my life.
I've got great friends.
If this is the simulation, I'm not mad at it.
Another quotation there.
Yeah, that's good.
It's the idea of if it's a simulation with batteries somewhere
that slightly worries me because
You don't want to be oh well. I've escaped whatever. Oh, no, it's better off not knowing although I think it's better to know but
That's just one example. So there's an infinite number of possible
things behind the simulation, I guess, but at the very least, you don't think that, at least when
things behind the simulation I guess but at the very least
you felt like it's some form of a simulation, not on the level of human battery, but just
more, like a lot less, less sort of negative, more positive, basically. It's just a good thing,
because you're good, you're good, you're happy, and the tuning fork is in vibration. So yeah,
you're happy and the tuning fork is in vibration so yeah focus on that and time so time is maybe
time is that tuning fork prong or are you saying that because time is the one that we always respect
can you put that off the table and say okay time doesn't or maybe people that rhyme with time
would be one prong and then the other prong would be anything that rhymes with time
i don't know Is now the right time?
Yeah, that's getting into the weeds a little bit, man.
I feel like maybe time is the simulation. Because when you think about everything, everything in this world, time is the only thing you can't cheat.
Now, one day,
one day they might find a way to break through that.
Maybe the human fascination with a time machine
or time travel
or maybe that's the ever-growing need of humanity to break the simulation because it's truly the only thing we cannot break because we have absolutely no control of it.
I've got a dear friend that I grew up with. with you know he had you know one of he had this amazing family and all of these uncles and his you
know he had his dad and all of his his dad had multiple brothers and all of his uncles were his
were his rock and over the course of three months out of nowhere completely completely completely, completely fucking uncontrollable.
His three, his dad, and then a year later,
his three uncles all died within a three-month period.
And you take someone like that,
whose entire life has been based around these constants,
and you take that, and the only thing you,
the main thing you hear these people say is, it was unexpected. I thought we had more time. I thought we had this. And the only truly uncontrollable factor in every experience of sorrow comes down to time.
sorrow comes down to time you know you you you cut a corner and chose to to rush a journey in
your life that resulted in the loss of time or the loss of privilege or the loss of somebody close to
you you your only choice was knowing that you're existing across the spectrum of time and your choices in the
guardrail are the only thing that changed and affected that. But sometimes, sometimes,
you know, sometimes there's an aneurysm that nobody expected. Sometimes there's people whose
hearts just stop and there is no answer. There is no expectation.
And the only thing that you can scream at is time.
I wish I had more time.
I wish I had more memories.
But memories are only built in the spectrum of time.
So, yeah, I don't know.
I don't have a lot of great philosophical answers other than the fact that my entire fascination right now is just with knowing that time is the only thing I can't cheat.
The only thing that I can't force to make happen.
I can't make more time.
Time is going to go fast.
There is this weird fascination with, you know, for anybody that's ever planned a family trip,
you plan this family trip.
And for some reason, the moment you lock in the trip or the experience or the anything in life, as soon as you put a date to it, it becomes infinitely longer.
infinitely longer, right? Why does that happen? Why does time become so abundantly clear to you
Right?
Why does that happen?
or become a dread or become fast or become slow when you focus on it? That, I mean, it just goes
back to that weird fascination I have right now with time. You know, why does a family trip in July
seem like it's forever away from June?
Why does Christmas feel like it's 20 years away from January
until you're in October?
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You may not. You may not.
I might have cooked myself. I don't know.
I can acknowledge that too.
Yeah, the perception of time does completely change,
and that Christmas week example is a really great one,
especially when it gets to the week before Christmas,
like December the 20th, sorry, December the 17th. You're like, slow down,
slow down. Let's enjoy every moment. But yeah, from
January to April, thinking of December, it does seem like about
10 years away. Never thought of it that way
before. Yeah, man. Trust me, don't go down the rabbit
hole of just hyper fixating on time.
I can assure you,
it sucks.
I love it.
I don't know.
There's also balance in it, man.
Like, just live every fucking moment you can.
You know what I mean?
Just live every moment you fucking can.
If it's bad,
fucking just acknowledge the bad.
You know what I mean?
I've been through some pretty shitty times in my life.
They didn't get better by looking at the end date.
Love it.
What were you talking about before I came in here and depressed the room
no not at all you you're firing it up uh you you're really helping me think about the simulation
as well that's really good uh before the simulation i was talking about pns names
topless bob bitcoin 2 problems data layer development i mentioned the foods a few times
i always go to the foods if you know if in doubt mention the foods because he's such a key leader
but uh yeah uh apart from that i think it was random rambling about conspiracies and
all this sort of stuff but just a regular edward space i
guess without the without the uh what's like the guardrail of bradley to keep me on track i guess
but i guess his spiritual brother is here so he is here in spirit
welcome to art thursdays if anyone would like to come up, please send a request.
And we've got the D-Gen Waffle on the stage, seven-month father now.
And he's, yeah, I love that idea. How is being a father?
It's like most people are like, yeah, sleepless nights, and it's really good, though, the positive outweighs.
But you're like, well, I figured out time is the thing.
Like, wow.
Yeah, you know.
Even.
I'm trying to keep myself from being just a mush here, but.
Like.
Back to time is the metaphor.
You don't realize how bad you have, how bad you want something until you acknowledge the amount of time you wanted for it.
Or even acknowledging the amount of time that you've had it and you didn't notice it.
But, you know, me and the wife tried for a long time.
And, you know, we had already visualized the bads.
We had enough time of not having it to come to terms with
all of the tropes of what it could be.
And then it happened.
And we've been extremely fortunate that, you know,
you know, one of the main tropes is, like, you're never going to sleep, and then we ended up with a,
with a baby that, that sleeps, and you're going to have, oh, they're not going to,
they're not going to eat good, and he eats good good and you're not gonna have this and you know
you you really don't know you know baby came early baby came with extra extra need for love
and attention we weren't prepared for that but you know seven months later that that is a
diminishing emotional effect it's a diminishing you know it makes for a
great story you know we got through that it was a hard time we can't focus on the past we have
a limited amount of we have only when they're seven months old you only have seven months
you know like when it comes to the eighth month you only have eight months you only have 12 months
before they're a year you only have fucking 18 years until they're their own adult and they're moving the fuck on.
And you got to experience the now.
And that's been such a fucking profound thing.
Because other than the wife, who has been my guardrails for fucking 12 years of my life, now adding a third one into the mix, has just been this weirdly...
I explained it to somebody who's about to have a baby who's a friend.
And I said, it's going to be the most stressful, amazing experience of your life.
And you're going to feel horrible and you're going to feel great all at the same time.
But eventually, the horrible wears off and the anxiety wears off and the stress wears off.
And all you can do is just look at pictures that you took the day before all day long.
And you want that day back and you appreciate that day
and all of the stress the stress is it's so hard to explain because the stress is constant
it's a new founder stress right it's a it's a new thing you've never experienced of like
if i do something wrong there's profounding impacts here.
If something out of my control happens, there's profounding effect. And everything I could possibly do right and everything I could possibly do wrong has equal weight.
But then that stress is always there, but it lightens.
And now you're just looking at this fucking beautiful baby boy that you prayed for for so fucking long that it's like, you're just happy.
You don't give a fuck.
You don't give a fuck.
Everything can fall away.
I don't give a fuck.
Everything can fall away.
As long as I can do right by this little thing here, I don't give a fuck.
You know, everything, all problems just shrink,
and they get put into a different fucking folder completely.
If that makes any fucking sense, I don't know.
Now, when you say they're put in a different folder,
is that because a new folder's opened that's got even more problems in it,
or is it just like less problems,
and all the other problems are now less problems too?
Does that make sense?
I guess what I'm trying to say.
I would say there's this weird phenomenon
that I couldn't have explained before
where you get a new folder, but this
folder has infinitely more terabytes than the folder you thought you already had, and
you can, I don't know, man, I don't know, I don't know how to put it into words, but each, everything becomes more intense.
And you can throw more into it.
And, you know, you can throw more,
you can throw more bandwidth into this folder because there's more room.
There's, the red line becomes different.
You know, it's not A plus B equals C.
Now it's like, all right, well, we got A through Z,
and as long as we end up at Z, we're going to be all right,
and we can figure it out.
The other weird, and I don't know if this is just me,
but there's this other, like, so time.
Time has been this weird obsession of mine,
but the other thing is, like, this goes back to the simulation, is, like, things just work out,
and the only, the only determinant between things not working out and things working out is time.
Whether it takes two years to work out,
whether it takes two weeks to work out,
whether it takes 20 fucking years to work out,
things just work out.
Great example of this.
I've been feeling this for a long time.
I'm a co-worker I was talking to this week.
Coworker I was talking to this week.
Friday, their car wouldn't start.
So Friday, they went out.
They bought a brand new battery they could barely afford.
They got an oil change.
Car's doing good.
Saturday rolls around, and their AC goes out. So they got to pay for their,
they got to pay a fucking HVAC technician to come out and look at the, look at the AC.
The very next day they get into a car wreck and they told the car that they just put money
that they didn't have into getting running
so they could go to work to make more money to then put money again that they didn't have into
their ac to then total the only car that they had the very next day
a family member that lives with them hits a jackpot for $20,000.
Family member walks in and says,
Hey, I know you feel like you ain't got no outs.
I just hit this jackpot.
Here's $5,000.
Now, you can take that story into a million different ways.
You could call it a miracle.
You could call it a one-off.
You could say that doesn't happen.
But I fully believe that perception is reality.
And I feel like ultimately things just work out.
The time frame, dude, I've had fucking a decade of bad.
And I don't remember that at all right now because
just works out things things just work out if you fucking focus on the fact that time is the
only thing you can't change you can put yourself into a better position you can put yourself into
a better place as long as you acknowledge the fact that eventually this will work out.
I've got to figure out how to change this.
The only thing I can't change is time.
Maybe that's the simulation.
Why does that happen?
Why can you go to sleep on Tuesday thinking there's no way out of this situation and then Wednesday something good happens? Or why can you say, man, I'm not going to be able to make the mortgage this month
and, you know, the next month comes around and something good happens out of nowhere?
Is that a miracle or is that the universe correcting?
Is that the simulation or is that some deity that we're all supposed to look to? I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. But right now, my entire obsession is that things just work out. And the only thing I can't control is time. And that's all I can focus on.
on because you've known me long enough to know that my brain is going to take me into a million
different fucking directions but if those are the two things that are going to benefit me the most
of of hyper focusing on then i'm going to stick to that but that's where i'm at but that being said
edward i fucking love you i'm gonna go check on the little one no no no no no no hold on hold on
please uh who's talking oh ignore are you on stage is that that's gotta be ignore right so i just wanted
to i just wanted to add to like so when you were saying uh your your friend or whatever like they
had somebody in the fam like win 20k or whatever um and they they blessed them up you know what i mean and it like shit ended up
working out i recently uh somebody that's like i've known from detroit that came into austin
and like i was like his first friend or whatever he's like been super super good to me i've been
good to him like you know introduced him showed him around and stuff
and it all started from me asking for a cigarette right and then like fast forward like we build
this rapport with each other over a few years and like i don't know he like uh recently gambled
some shit he gambled like a few hundred bucks and turned it into 21K or whatever.
And, you know, we've always broke each other off back and forth on Cash App. You know,
we're just, like, I'm, like, his big bro. And, dude, like, on the worst day ever recently,
and I'm fine, like, just know I'm fine to say this but like he was like answer your phone hurry now like the way his texts to me were so crazy and it was like three or four in the morning and i was already like
cashing out i was like i was like dude i gotta go to bed and i'm like seeing these crazy ass texts
and then i just didn't answer them, because I was like,
dude, I'll just, like, I was even trying to FaceTime, and I think the fucking internet was
not even really, like, connecting our call, but, um, turns out he's like, yeah, dude, I was trying
to send you some money, like, what's your Cash App, and, like, dude, mind you, we've been, like,
Cash App-ing back and forth for like years you know and i was
like it's still the same brother like he's like i hit big this day and this day and like i could
and i was like who you with like when i was on the phone with him and he's like oh like my girl and
like her friend are right here like they were with me when it happened and I was like were you trying to flex in front of them and get me to
answer so you can send some stuff and he was like what do you mean man like well and I'm like well
you know my cash app brother like if you really wanted to send it you would have just sent it
right like we already have that with each other it, like, I went on this whole ordeal of, like, dude, the way you talk to me in front of your friends and, like, how you were demanding, like, I answer.
Like, because of the way you're saying shit.
I was like, you got to be careful with that, man, because people are going to think, like, I'm not shit.
And it's not that I really care because I don't know them, but it's like I don't need people thinking that they could talk to me like that.
And then we went into this whole ordeal.
Turns out he didn't even end up sending anything at all.
And it was just like he just made $21,000.
And I was like, hey, dude, I'd rather you know as your big bro that I'm your homie.
know as your big bro that i'm your homie and like i'm i i want to be talked to a certain way i would
never do that because this crypto stuff has allowed me to make a bunch of money and learn how
if i ever get something i've never had like look at what it's doing to me and i'm like right now
you're talking to me like this shit's more important than respect and he was just like like dude i'm so sorry and i
was like no it's all good i was just like but just don't think that like uh can i just jump in a
second sorry to interrupt you ignore it's because uh dj said he's got to check on the child i don't
know if he's home alone or anything so uh just check d. DJ, were you in a rush to leave? Or I guess is everything okay with the...
No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're good.
We're just kind of approaching the twilight hours.
And here's the thing.
If Ignore is speaking, you're not going to be able to get me to leave for a little bit.
Because I'm going to...
That's fine.
No worries.
Carry on Ignore, please.
He did that on purpose.
That fucker knew that he was going to come up and I wasn't going to be able to leave.
But, like, by all means, dude, like, respect to you and Edward.
Like, do what you got to do, brother.
Like, I'll make time other times because we'll talk about that to you some other time.
Time, time, time, time.
I think I sent you a DM between, like, when you came up and now anyway.
So you're good.
Yeah, dude.
I'm ugly with the fucking monotony of just wanting to respond.
So I apologize, and I also just thank you guys for letting me do this.
But the whole thing was I had to let my homie know the first time that I ever made a bunch of money in crypto, like had me thinking a certain way, but I was also watching this dude, Sevan Bomar, talk about like the Kabbalists and the brokers and how like they'll give you all the money you've never had and blow all your chakra centers.
And like the money was never the thing that made you this thing in time.
It's just that you never had what you were supposed to slowly grow into.
And so I was trying to explain that to him.
And then it like got him on this whole thing where he just like dipped off from like the whole combo about money and like sharing it and all this stuff.
And then like after all that, I i was like so you have 21 bands
like i hit him up like a couple days ago after like a week of not talking because i i kind of
blew his i blew his noggin with the with the way i was like yo don't don't ever think that's sick
that you got a bunch of money it's like it's what you do with it and how you treat people
and it was respectful because it was like you just had to be there to see the combo but at the end of it i was like did you still like
you still have money like remember like this xeh thing i've been telling you about like you know
remember like all this other stuff i was telling you and he's like yeah yeah i kind of looked at
it and i was like you you can change your life right now
brother if you just buy this and he's still like we're like he's i don't know i still need to look
into it and i'm like i have to accept that in this time and space like the amount of time that i'll
use to try to tell people the truth and it's not received is going to take away my time. And I, and I,
I understand that like, if we don't like adhering to the time is super important, right? When it's
like, you're obligated to the people and things that you love, but when they're not received the
way you want to, it's going to be so, it's like terrorizing you. It's like terror.
It's like, it's like tormenting you to be like, why won't they get it?
And in that time, you have to understand that they have to use their own time to get there.
And so I had to like pull back and go, you know what?
Like the time I'm spending doing this needs to be spent on me enjoying the little things that
Dejan was talking about, the meals, the smiles, you know, the way my homie's grandma laughs at
everything I tell her and she's on her way out and like all that stuff. So there's like a lot
of things that I do resonate with. And my frantic energy comes from a place of like wanting to share my time to tell people the truth, but it's not up to me for them to get it.
So it's like that's the craziest part.
That's like the most defeating part of spending time because you're paying with your attention and your time.
And it's just like, whoa, dude, if someone doesn't get it, they don't have to. That's their right. That's their time. And it's just like, whoa, dude, if someone doesn't get it, they don't have to. That's their
right. That's their time. So it's like, to be in that construct, it's super crazy. But I just
wanted to add that to say, to go with what he was saying, because it is, it's an important aspect.
And we are in this time construct of giving the time and then adhering to the timer, like the schedule, you know, and that's the authority, like the schedule, the calendar.
And then that's why it's been tinkered with to be like, how many months? It was 12, now 10, and now what?
Like, October doesn't mean 10, it means 8.
And then you're like, yeah, yeah, like, you know, like, we're not going to go prefix on it.
We're just like, it is what it is, brother.
And it's like, yeah.
So it's like, yeah, it's a very stressful thing because if they start confusing the measurement, you know, to the mass, then, you know, these conversations arise.
So I just wanted to, like, add to that.
And, yeah, time is everything. It's like the construct that and uh yeah time is everything it's like
the construct that we all have to like answer to wow so that's a that's a time is
what's I thought I was um so that was a tuning fork moment that time is the number one thing is
what i took from that which is very interesting that's what uh didran said earlier so uh very
interesting and then she is time and space you know so it's like yeah like bram is yeah
no like you just start looking you start squinting and looking at yourself in the mirror.
Even though I often say chia is named very poorly, the actual proof of space and time is named absolutely perfectly for that reason.
What do chia plants do in space and time? They take shape of whatever they're growing on, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Ch-ch-ch-chia! they're growing on right damn yeah yeah yeah like you know and then you're just like like your mind goes because it's like if you plant and then have you like used chia seeds in like a diet and like
put them in water you're like whoa like people survive off this and omega-rees and don't make me go like don't make me you know
what i mean you're like oh my god like what the fuck so that's how i perceive it edward i leave
you in good hands ignores on the right wavelength uh love you brother love you ignore y'all have a
great fucking night love you too i gotta go do this other i'll be popping in and out of the audience tall you neckbeard degenerate down there love you too cheers dj bye bye
well if you didn't hear everything that dj said guys if you just tuned in have to go back and
listen it was there was some real there was one moment i said it that could be one of the top
three monologues in TRIA history. Awesome,
Dejan. And also, Ignau, welcome to the stage of joining there. And also, wea-o-vi. Sorry
if I mispronounce that. Wea-o-vi.
I love hearing how people pronounce it. It's great. I'm just really enjoying that. I joined a little bit late. So enjoying the conversation, the topic of time and it's just, it's kind of just the one thing that treats everybody the same though, because we're always trying to either rush or work against it or move with it. And then I guess a little bit of what you
were saying ignores kind of what I was hearing that it's either to our own benefit or detriment.
And it's kind of the one thing that's totally indifferent to attention or status or wealth.
that's totally indifferent to attention or status or wealth.
It just treats us all the same, like no matter what.
And I've always subscribed to just, you know,
every next moment is like another opportunity or another chance.
So I just wanted to share that.
I just love this topic that you're talking about.
I wish I had joined sooner.
I was going to say I made a song recently.
I made a song in like 2012.
And I sampled like the beginning of a movie or like a piece of a movie.
And it was like every passing minute is a chance to turn it all around.
And then the song is called Nostalgia.
So it's like a form of time, like, in essence of, like, memory, right?
It's like, oh, that one time.
So, like, to be on Chia in the time and space is how you, like, can be farm, you know, and earn.
And then you got the Time Lords, and you're just like, like, all this information.
You're like, what the fuck?
Like, and I say that, you know, excuse my language. I'm not trying to always be cursing, but
it blows my mind that it led us here. And so like when you were saying, Edward, is Chia,
like how we were talking about time is chia gonna be the thing that like
brings us together is it the i forgot the word y'all just used but um feel free to like
tell me tuning fork yeah exactly exactly so um um the tuning fork is uh like you is in music too. There's a resonance within time because in music you're using time and a scale of time moving just in one way from left to right or right to left, however you want to use it because it can be both ways.
however you want to use it because it can be both ways and uh it's it's pretty crazy to like have
all these correlations and these like um analogies because it is the the ultimate thing and so like
when I posted in the comments about uh the time and timer being the anagram is emit and remit
I found that out recently and I looked it up and I was like,
if you look at those definitions, they like, they make sense as to, as far as like what time is
inside of the timer. You know, the timer is the ultimate authority. It's the schedule. It's the
calendar. It's the, it's the hub. And then the time is is the the measurement at which you have to like adhere
to and you try to always go back and forth with the time to make sure that at the end of it what
you have left on the timer or the scoreboard is what you want it to say and you know that's a
that's why you always hear gooey or other people, Internet scoreboard, did you check the scoreboard?
And the scoreboard uses time in any game.
So it's really crazy how we're all here making the most of that.
Got to keep up with the metronome you see what i'm saying like there's so many different things that adhere to the time
but it's it's the biggest gift too that you give to other people
like you were you were saying about some people are receiving it and we're all kind of on our own timeline
to do so so that's I think that's the best part of it right I like you brought up the metronome
because then it's like then it's like dancing and rhythm and then tempo tempo in time is is crazy
because like in music tempo determines what kind of frequency you're going to
put out or like what kind of message is going to be you know like in here where i'm at in texas like
dj screw like is throughout all music him just slowing a record or like because of like his uh
there was a screw they call it screw music like dj screw they call
it screwed screwed and chopped like chopped and screwed because he had a screw that like caused
his radio to slow his tape and then he started slowing vinyls and then it like slowed everything
and then it was just like what like you know I mean? So playing with time made it what it is.
It's super crazy to think about.
Yeah, please jump in.
I'm curious, we over...
Have we spoken before?
It seems, I don't know if it's just a simulation episode but i feel like i know you but i'm not sure is is that something i can ask i'm not sure
i've been in i've been in your spaces before i'm certain of it so I don't think we've spoken though. I'm not sure about that or
not, but maybe.
Oh, interesting. Wow.
But thanks for hosting great, great space. I wish I could stay around longer for the
rest of it. But I'll I will check back in when you host the next one.
Wow. Well, awesome. Amazing. The tuning fork is really tripping me out today. Yeah, you're
always welcome up on stage. Thanks for jumping in. So it seems like time is the thing is
what this space is saying. That seems to be the message. Time is number one.
Yes, I totally agree with that. And I say that because once I found out whatever it meant to in a paradox of a duality where like the duality
isn't just like um one side existing while the other side is waiting they exist at both times
like they exist in the same time so accepting the contradiction and the answer you know or like what
we would consider one side the answer and the other side the
contradiction to that answer if you accept both of them and then you just like you remain in this
void like the void almost feels like you're exempt of time but you're always going to be
of time because even in your own void where you try to like avoid everything you know like even
that word you try to avoid things so you go into this dark space where you try to exempt yourself
from the time construct the possibilities of what can happen in time is the biggest thing that we
have to use in time and i don't know if that like if that made sense if that's just like a
jumble of ideas and thoughts but that's kind of like what I've made of it and I've talked with
another person about that and they were like yeah like fuck like I didn't even think of that and
it's like yeah I just like that's what I got from all this.
That's what I determined might be not definite,
but the infinite answer to anything, you know,
like the possibilities are infinite.
So it's a lot.
Actually, could you explain that bit again?
I actually didn't understand that the last, like, couple of minutes. What was the – could you explain that bit again? I actually didn't understand that the last couple of minutes. Could you try again?
how you would try to exempt yourself from time is you avoid it right and avoid it is like you just
it's a mental place right where you just like ignore something right you just try to ignore
it for a sec and then you go into this void and like it's the void is everything that could be
you know it's like a dark place where you go think about possibilities, because everything that we've seen in our lives can't be the only reference point for new things or a new experience.
That's why they always say manifest, because you want to manifest possibility into reality, right?
Like, if that makes sense.
That's what I'm getting from it.
And so like to be in time and make the best of the time construct and your time in it, you have to avoid it like in meditation or you go into these places where you're excluding everything that you're living under.
That's why it's so awesome to be in a body
because that's the only place you can go into a void and then you could call it your own
so the void is where you go in time and space to avoid everything and come up with a possibility
that you want to manifest back into time so that's I think that's the best way I could explain it.
But that's kind of like what we're all doing. And we all have our own way of saying it.
Yeah, that's a more clear. It's not crystal clear, but I think I've got, we're going from a state of
like nothingness in a sense, a void and when you're trying to
think of what existence is it ultimately comes down to trying to influence it with the one key
thing which is time which is now and that's a different void which is like an infinite set of
possibilities and us being going from there to there is essentially just controlled by the now
i think exactly yeah exactly so when we say a void like we go to a void we still say a
and void so we avoid things right just as in language because i can't take like uh after i've
like tried to like study a little bit of language on my own. I've noticed that like there's confusion to like deter you or derail you, you know, from these rails that are natural that we're naturally on.
We're on these rails of truth because we are truth.
We're embedded with truth.
You know, just like when you go look at code, there's the true and false.
the true and false. We're always on the truth side, but the false side is created when we start
to doubt our truth, right? So we say we can't do something because of what we believe of the
doubtfulness in ourselves too. So we always have truth, but we only have the false version of that truth when we believe a doubt. So to avoid things,
you go into the void and you create the possibility of not having as many doubts. Like,
you can reference things that, like, you know, you can draw something that you've never seen,
and that might be you avoiding things you've seen to draw something you haven't so you draw the
conclusions in the void and then you bring it to the reality where everything exists and it's like
that's how we're gonna always be able to keep making things is because of the possibility of
it existing and uh that's that's like the best way i can put it and i'm still learning how to like
be better about that you know i'm not it's not final because it's not definite inside of infinity
i'm very curious have you done magic mushrooms before and if you don't want to answer that in
a live space oh yeah no yeah the best ones i did recently were because
you know so when i do when i've done mushrooms they're always dried out right and it's like
okay let's compare the two am i dried out no i have water blood like all that stuff exists because
we're water right the only mushrooms that have ever really given me any information that I felt like was the most important to take away was when they were hydrated.
So somebody – I went to Milwaukee like a year ago, and it was for a couple months.
And then when I got there, the dude was like, dude, I'm – and he was in crypto.
He wanted to do this AI thing, this language model, all this.
He was – he's an autist that I didn't know
was one. And then I found out things about him later. But what I'm saying is he was growing
mushrooms on a block that he had cultivated with all these things to make sure the mushrooms grew
off the block in a certain state. And so he would like talk to them, do he treated it was like a baby right the first mushroom he picked
off the block was like this big ass fucking mushroom that you would have like looked at and
you would have been like damn how much that way and we weighed it and it's like 50 grams 60 grams
and it because it had water in it when you touched it for long enough, it would bruise too. It would like turn blue.
And then when I ate those mushrooms, I didn't feel like dried out mushrooms. You kind of might have a dead kind of dried out high where like you're like asking for hydration and you don't know it because you might be like, why do I feel like I took this to like elevate, but I feel a depletion in the trip.
And it's because of the hydration.
Like we got to hydrogenate.
So like the mushrooms that I ate that time were full of water.
And the trip was just like, dude, it's like I literally talked to what I think is like a starseed family that I'm from and they were just like they were just
like oh you're here yeah this dude made these for you and I was like what the like you know what I
mean I was like dude I'm from am I from the galaxy am I Palladian am I one it was like on that shit
so I was just like like let's not go too far that. I don't want to get the space cut off.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, that's how I feel about it.
I'm like, holy shit.
Like, and the whole point was to like, let me know, like, you're good, dude.
You're infinite and you're not, you don't die.
And the time construct you're in now has to do with what's going to make you a warrior back when you come over here to, like, you know, lead us to just, like, being okay. Like, that's kind of the message I got from that trip. And ever since then, I haven't wanted to do mushrooms or psychedelics. And I've done a ton of acid, like, ton of, you know, try to, you know, everything.
you know try to you know everything and at that point those mushrooms let me know like hey
you don't gotta like push too hard to get somewhere you might just need that one and it's
hydrogen you need to eat the psychedelic mushrooms that mimic you right so if you got
water in your body you need it's that's how they assimilate with your structure right so that was like the most
profound trip i've had recently and i'll never forget that shit you know
yeah yeah fresh mushrooms i remember when i went in england there was this period of time
when i was at university which was makes me think simulation, but it turned out
mushrooms were legal in my first year of university in Leeds. It was like 1999, 2000,
millennium bug, go to university in 2000. By the way, magic mushrooms are legal in England. What?
Mushrooms are legal in England.
What?
It turns out it was true.
Yeah.
So the loophole closed 2005.
So there was a day in August 2005.
It was like they're class A drugs now.
But from 2000 to 2005, they were legal.
So I did a lot of mushrooms at that period, basically,
because you could grow them physically.
And the fresh ones, the effect was definitely, that's what I call them.
I think you said hydrated.
Fresh is basically not dried, I guess.
So you pick them and then eat them more or less straight away or soon after they're born.
And the effect of that is just, won't say better but yeah it feels
more natural or it's deeper or something there's but it's not like dry mushrooms don't trip you
out it's just it's like an even higher higher level almost if you can do it fresh so it's yeah
i found it interesting that you had done that, basically a hydrated fresh mushroom, and it had more of an effect.
So that is interesting.
Because I feel like the depletion, like taking the water out of it, would make you go into the fight or flight where your body is trying to still get that message.
Because it's all information, right?
So you're still trying to get the message, but you're going to fight to hydrate them with what you have in your body so that might take up some
time to get to the information and that's kind of like what i've made of it maybe there's little
chemicals in the water that when you dry them it leaves maybe some psychedelic compounds could sort of drain out i'm
sort of thinking of an overboiled cabbage you strain all the water what's left is perhaps
maybe the pesticides gone but uh the cabbage juice could be gone so maybe it's the same with
mushrooms i don't know yeah and it basically depends on how they were treated, how they were grown, the process in between them going from where they started and getting to your, you know, doorstep or your, you know, however.
with my answers to, to like these, the questions are like my experiences because they're just the
experiences. And like, I've had plenty where like, I didn't want to take mushrooms anymore because I
always felt like that when I'd take them dried, I always felt like this weird chill that I would
get. I'd get this cold, like chill and I'd feel like super, like I'm buzzing. And I would be like,
why does it feel that way? And it's like,
when you, when I ate them with water, I didn't feel that buzzing or like that cold wind on the back of my neck, you know? Um, it was just different. So, um, that's me just sharing my
experience. And, uh, I really, I really learned a lot from it. And then I realized like, oh, I had so much more to do.
In that time, I realized that like there was something that was ending in like a big chronological like scale.
There was like a time period that was ending.
And I kept saying like it's over.
And like my friend was like, dude, like what are you like?
friend was like dude like what are you like chill out and i was just like i had come to the conclusion
Chill out.
that um the reason why we're doing all this stuff too in crypto and why this compliance with like
chia and everything and the the traditional finance moving to a blockchain that can house it
is because the the powers that be this is my opinion from what I've gathered,
everyone has to play on an even keel now.
From what the system was built on in the years and thousands of years
that it's had its reign,
now they have to comply back with natural law
because all that other stuff that they did is over and so now we're
being able to give a we're being given a chance to get back to singularity through crypto which is
transparency accountability and all this other stuff that comes with singularity right
and that's what i think and i i don't claim to know anything else, you know, and if this is the trivial
thing that I think about, that's what I know from it, and I think that that's where we're headed,
like, we're headed to a place where accountability and all this stuff, it's just right there, you can
go check, you can go check the block scan, you know, the space scan. So it's like, you know, that's kind of crazy.
We're not ready for it.
Yeah, I love that idea, especially that Chia is the kind of,
like a return to natural law.
I think you phrased it that way.
It sort of brings people to this level
to sort of vibrate with it
because it's decentralized in theory.
At the heart of it.
I like how you said in theory
because that's considerate of the fact that
we might not even know what any of that means until it's there right
could you elaborate like you were saying and like it's decentralized in theory like when you say
conspiracy or you say conspiracy theory those are two different things so or you say conspiracy theory. Those are two different things. So when you say decentralization in theory, it means that we think of decentralization from what we're told.
But the theory can be that we might not – the guess of it, the guesstimation would be that we might not actually know all of what it actually entails.
So that's – it's interesting to me too. Like I've, I've had to, I've been thankful enough that the psychedelics have gotten me here without
feeling like I had to go through something that probably didn't fit for me, you know,
which might be like formal education
or something. And I'm not trying to denounce anybody that's had it because there's still a
level that that can get people to in a realm that, you know, is what it is. But to talk about like
natural law, we already, I know we're encoded with natural things and we're a part of nature.
So I feel like it's coming back to natural law.
And then when you look at the laws and all the things that have like restriction, they're all based around things that are natural, you know, like land, air, water, fire, like, you know, those four elements.
Four is an authority number.
The cross that you see is just separating the elements.
It's a way to, like, that's what this cross symbolizes.
Like, if you ever look at the red cross or, like, a green cross,
that's just, like, a x and y axis separating the four
elements you know that we that natural law is governed by
it's very it dude it's interesting stuff like it's it's it's like what like it's simple though you know
I wouldn't call it simple or maybe it's simple in concept it's simple in the fact that it was
simple to begin with but when you're taught inverted realities it's not anymore yeah it makes sense yeah it's how would you actually define natural law what is it exactly
odd it would be the actual autonomy that we we like strive for now you know it's it's our it's
automated like it's the same way you don't have to think to breathe or blink you know that's what i would describe it as gotcha like a return to pure nature
where like you would actually be able to look around and be like you would your senses would
start firing because you're like oh like this is what we've been kept from and it's like when you
demonize nature and you make people hate themselves you make people hate nature
they can't enjoy it as much but that's a way to like capitalize on people is you use that to make
them ignorant and then you capitalize on their ignorance and so like the system is very easy to
like break down but it's not easy to translate to people that use it to wield power.
So it's scary. It's dangerous.
And so now we're getting into the – that's why I'm glad that I was brought to Chia. Gooey is the reason that I've even leaned into Chia as much as I have.
So I'm only here to translate and give the best that i feel like i can give
and um it's it's it's not like i have to i'm gonna have to write it down and make it an nft
and just leave it on chia and be like you know like intro to chia then when you're ready
look at all these people that were here first in the four years.
How long has she been out?
Yeah, four years, I think.
Four years.
So now it's like the numbers, the correlation, when you start to look inward on yourself, you start to see that it wasn't like this um it wasn't it wasn't anything else that it was
gonna be it's that everything is is the way it's supposed to be at all times and it's always for
our benefit and so even when things are tough they're for your benefit because I was told that
earth is for warriors so everything that happens here it's
just to like purify your heart basically right because earth is an anagram for heart so it just
tries to purify your heart through all these harsh experiences and then you graduate from here and if
you don't you keep coming back that's what reincarnation is is you keep coming back until you graduate
and learn what it means to be pure of heart now do you believe in that wheel of samsara idea
that we can yeah yeah for sure travel through animal species or something to
like so sort of if we're a good human we become the next level up kind of thing
like so sort of if we're a good human we become the next level up kind of thing yeah and so like
we would go through animal experiences because they might be as as we look at animals as like
damn they might be pets or like they might be these things that like oh this motherfucker just
gets to lay around all day but they're they're suffering from not getting attention or they're just somebody's punching bag for emotion.
They're not a literal punching bag, but it might be something that someone gets to – they might not know, but subconsciously you get an animal.
So it will reflect back to you what you are.
And if your animal is cooperative, then you're cooperating, right, with it and with life.
But if it's not cooperative, then it's a symbol of you.
And if you don't understand that, then you might come back as an animal to understand that you didn't cooperate as a human.
So now your lesson might be to try it as an animal and see how hard it is because you can't talk.
So it's like, hello?
It's scary.
It's scary to think that your ignorance can be your own detriment.
But it's like, but I didn't know.
But then it's like, look how they treat laws.
Just because you didn't know them doesn't mean they're not at play.
So the power of mindfulness is something that we all have to have
we have to be able to mind the gap between all these things
wow i'm just tripping out here i've just I think I've pinned it. As
you're saying this, Steve steppers. Wow. He sent the
you'd have to probably if you were here, you'd have to go back
and listen. But I was kind of saying some stuff. But he's he's
shared a picture to his airdropped something to the chia music nft which i referenced earlier
and i've just pinned it at the top and it looks like it was sent to michael taylor by accident
that is really interesting because michael bought the chia music nft so that would make sense steve
probably forgot that i own it so sorry i created it but someone else owns it. They bought it. So that's really interesting.
Sorry to interrupt you there, Ignore.
I kind of...
No, you're good, man.
I came here to release years of music too.
So it's like, I need to do more research, you know,
into like the OGs and the people that were here.
and the people that were here but um you guys you know like i i i i don't pride myself on like
necessarily anything but if i could say that i did it would be just like connecting dots that
weren't connected or or like coming to go hey like it's not my information it's just that nobody told you
because i nobody told me and my experiences led me to the information so all i could do is share it
love it you're like a
it you're like a looks like the butter like the B when it spreads pollen around
from plants like almost like this the sort of the spreader almost like the
seed spreader I don't know if that's the right phrase but it's like a fire
starter like I'm just here to like like fan the flame and like even in my you know symbolisms
of like astrology like i i'm air and water so it's like i use the depth of my water sign to
spread the information through the air you know to fan flames and um that's it like that's all it
is it's and it's so simple and it's like and everyone else
there's people that help keep me grounded there's people like djen and gooey who you know they what
they offer to people is like being grounded and also like you know reminding people of like what
we are in you know like when we're talking about time, you know, it's a
construct that can keep you grounded because I'm, I'm drifty, right?
I have to be drifty to get the information that I can share, but I need to be grounded,
you know, because I'll be all over the place.
So, everyone has something to offer.
We're all here to serve each other.
What a great space this has been.
I'm kind of surprised at the direction
it's gone. I didn't know Bradley wouldn't be here
so I couldn't have predicted that
He had a
he had a
awakening that I
got to see kind of first hand
in a space
and it was reminding me of that
like mushroom trip I told you about
just now.
And yeah, dude, he's killing it.
Him and Drac and like all those dudes there, you know, I'm opening up to them in ways where it's like, yeah, I want you guys to like know who I actually am. And, you know, I want to work with you guys and introduce you to the people that I think have things to offer.
Because we got to take care of each other.
And it's like this, it's going to be a long journey of trying to like get everybody on board.
And it's not easy, man.
It's because we're talking about taking the inversion and like helping people unlearn things and then learn new learn new stuff so
it's fucking scary dude I'm not gonna lie this is super scary
inversion is a good word that stood out yeah there's a lot of inversion yeah I mean
you know you can just see it in like the upside down
cross right let's just use that crazy example it's like and it's like i can there's a song
that i listened to by a rapper and it's like um he says upside down cross i'm tatted on my neck
shut him up that's like literally the the lyric of the
song and you can go look at the views and you're like what the fuck like the homie in here someone
in here knows that song like by playboy cardi but he's like he's a big figure you know and
like i i think that the elite just made nature.
They just confused us by telling us nature was something that you don't want to know about. And they disguised it as like this esoteric.
They hid the knowledge.
And the knowledge really is you were embedded with the knowledge.
And it's shown in front of you.
But if somebody tells you that that's bad long enough, you'll eventually hate yourself because you're a part of that thing they're telling you to avoid.
And then they disguise it as like – then they build cults around it, and they do all this stuff.
But the whole thing was just inverted the whole time time and they're just taking what you already know subconsciously and
what you're embedded with and they've taught you to hate it so that inversion is just like a
umbrella term for what they what's happening and we're all starting to smarten up and know that
no that's not true that's not true. That's not right.
Why is he saying that and everyone believes it?
But I can feel that that isn't right.
And our feelings are real and they're like a tool.
That's just what I've gathered from it.
I can't go.
I'm not going to go monetize that.
I'm just going to say, hey, we we're gonna share it as much as we can
yeah fascinating when did you sort of let's say wake up or was it within the last few years
was it even further than that ago or uh like if I'm being completely, completely, completely transparent, without trying to sound egotistical, like I was always this way.
I just didn't know how to translate it into into something that's digestible now.
Right. So my whole life has been knowing the feeling of what I just said within the last hour, 30 minutes,
but it took me my whole life to get to hear, to say it. So all my frustration comes from knowing
and, and having the light, right. Shine on the things that are real, but it's it's it's always been this way like but it's just
really hard to translate it as a child when the inversion is like being thrown in your face is
like this is what we worship little boy and you're like oh it, it's going to take a long time to get to that point, to explain it.
That's what I know.
And so it was always this way, but try fighting, try going against the stream your whole life.
You know, a lot of us are doing that.
We're all kind of doing it.
Yeah, swimming up the stream of of chia and it's proof of space
and time yes in a sense yep consensus is literally what we're fighting for we're
fighting on getting the consent from everybody to believe what's right so that things actually work.
Yeah.
Maybe the... She could have been marketed with the words
space and time more. Looking back,
that's the...
But it might be that
it's the thing that is
just perfectly...
I wouldn't doubt that
Bram himself with what he's created and what he's
been doing and what he's referenced as in the whole of crypto i wouldn't doubt that he already
fucking knows what i'm talking about dude so i just i'm doing the best I can. And I don't, I'm not claiming shit.
I don't want anything.
I just want people to know for themselves.
Like you want to try to understand somebody and why they would do something.
Like just connect dots, you know, because they're not going to tell you.
They have to be cryptic because we're in crypto.
Right.
So it's like, it's crazy. But we're in crypto. Right? So it's like, it's crazy.
But we're allowed to.
We're allowed to do this.
So we don't have to be like
assholes about it.
You know,
you learn the truth
and you're like,
I'm going to go shove it
in someone's face.
It's like,
that's not the way to do it.
No, don't do that. It's just, that's not the way to do it. No, don't do that.
It's just wait for the time and space to do it.
Yeah.
I did that myself before it launched.
I really promoted it to my friends.
You've got to get cheer.
It's a new Bitcoin.
And I even predicted it would be like higher than a thousand on day one
which a lot of people didn't but so then not to be fair i think only one or two people bought it
from everyone i told but it could have been far worse but even they are saying why is it worth
like less even than 20 for something they spent a thousand on i was like
well there's the metric there's the metric of how much was available on the market and how much is in supply to ever be made so it's like nobody
wants to do the math you know and so we we have to do it for them until we don't
it's a edward it's a difficult road and like we're lucky that we have all this adversity to
fight through to be able to be creative and have something to motivate us to want connection right
with everything and so we use music art and everything we can every medium you know to
to get people on the same page.
Because the trivial stuff is like, it's, dude,
they're going to fill the world.
Like, universities are filled with trivia.
Like, where do they teach you this at?
I don't know, the mushrooms do.
Not teach, like, the mushrooms will teach it to you.
Because mushrooms, the mycelium, the network is way bigger than people you know we might just be on one big ass mushroom that's yeah i was gonna
say that earlier is that giant mycelium thing underneath portland the state of portland i think
there's like the have you heard of that that it's like the world's biggest, you know, I don't know if it has a name,
but I guess for the people who may not know this,
mushrooms have a connected underground through something called,
as Ignore said, mycelium.
And they say the world's biggest, or at least the biggest discovered,
because there could be others we haven't learned of yet.
There's a mycelium network underneath the state of Portland, Oregon,
that's centrally the size of the state and this mycelium network is what's underneath where
the mushrooms pop out of the ground so what are they communicating what is mycelium doing
what is going on there what is the what is the terror like a terraform or like all that and it's
like are we on continents that are just hardened mushrooms
with all the shit and stuff that's just impacted on it and then um also too like um
you can take mycelium that's not like from psychoactive mushrooms but you can take it
from like cordyceps and so the a lot of like the the mushroom medicinal
side of stuff has been pushed as like the cap and the stem but like when when i worked at a
food truck they sold a powder that had the mycelium in it and i loved that stuff like i would take it
all the time and it literally made me feel indestructible so imagine if you had the
whole world knowing what that is it's like we would get way further we would activate so many people
and that's the problem is like that doesn't adhere to what's fading away now but but it's going to be a thing soon enough where, like, dude, I don't have all the answers, but I do, though, right?
Because that's the paradox.
It's like I may not be favorable to everybody, but, like, we're all embedded with the truth.
and you eat and you adhere to what some of the stuff I'm saying,
it'll activate things in you and your experiences that you can go tell people.
And it's on you to experience whether that's something you want to do or not
because it's not fun.
There's nothing fun about what we're doing.
It's just it needs to be done.
And that's where, like, I've lived a life of fun and skateboarding and all this stuff. But I've learned that this isn't fun and that you have to make it fun.
is done so I'm gonna lie to myself I'm gonna be delusional to get this truth out and that's
basically what I've come to the conclusion of at this point in my life at like 34 years of age
could you explain what delusional means in that example when you said you have to be delusional
to get the message out yeah so it's like that um fake it till you make it
thing that they used to that you've heard oh i see yeah you just kind of have to like you have to
realize that the truth like once you put the truth glasses on the rule is you have to keep them on
you can't take them off and you can't force anyone else to put them on. So you have to find a way to fix your perception on,
hey, we just need to make this as fun as possible,
even though this is fucking so scary.
And you can get killed for it.
You can be a martyr to the world for standing for the truth.
It's happened to people in my family.
But it's not sad. It's just the reality of things is not everyone's trying to hear it. And we might be hardwired
now to where you're geared for truth, but you've been swayed so much into inversion that you'll fight for the lie just as much as you should fight for
the truth and so you know that's the real battle is like that the elite don't have to fight you
like your neighbor might not you know think for themselves they might actually be pushing the
narrative of inversion and they might not want you to go any further with what
you're saying so it's scary in the sense that's why it's good to just like isolate and learn to
be okay with nothing because now that we have the internet you don't have to interface with people
you can just put the information out and you can stylize it to be digestible to people and it's like that's unstoppable you know that's like
it's like music and visuals you can't stop this rhythm and it's like you start bouncing and they're
like oh my god turn that dude's shit off and it's like you can't because we're on data later
you know it's like and we're mirroring the it's like bit or like you know so you start
seeding the reality back to everybody and they can't do anything about it they just they're
gonna see it and it's always if one data store goes down there's gonna be someone mirroring it
with their setup so you know that's that's why i made uh the mirror token on chia that tom beppe helped me
helped me launch because it's like we're just gonna be a reflection of ourselves we're gonna
be a reflection of what we want to see and what we do and what people think and uh it's not about
the money like you just give it the value through your consent of time and space and the energy you put into it.
And that sounds like a shill, but it's like, bro, I could die right now.
And it's just still going to be on the Chia blockchain forever.
Like, I don't care.
Like, it's fine.
you know, and I, and I've, I've been kind of living a life of like depletion on purpose
You know?
to like be okay, to be able to translate things to people that feel depleted, you know,
it's not a, it's not like for valor or nothing. It's just to be like, Hey, like you gotta,
you gotta take things away from yourself to communicate to the people you're trying to help because they feel like they don't have anything.
Yeah.
Putting the value out there without thinking in financial terms is really really good thing and i think that
all the value that everyone is created in chia it's still building it's like uh it's not like
it's price has gone down so therefore the value it's less no it's like all the time and the
conversations and all the men's and the art and the and the people thinking of the future and chatting about mushrooms and
things like don't they don't they use cni like don't they use chia to pay the people that do
work for them so wouldn't that just be like a wouldn't that be valid you know wouldn't that
be a valid reason why the price would be where it's at like let's just say if that was the case you know like it's it's only
gonna go up because if the supply is not that far from bitcoins like like you're talking trillions
of dollars right from the traditional markets and that being like oh the offer file is the reason why these things could
exist and you know um just the just the way it's set up just the way that the cat token and the way
that everything's set up it's set up to protect itself from itself right because when you have
to go into the sage wallet and combine tokens you have to do a mindful action to make sure that you can send what is said that's in your wallet.
But then you have a list on the Sage wallet of all the splits so you can combine them and then you can send it.
So it's like you have to do the work.
It's like protecting you from yourself almost i wonder if when they launch the wallet they just put one address for every
like having all the coins split up is it's because it's so easy to do multi-addresses in a Chia account.
That's the same way.
So like a cat token is like a derivation index of a contract rather than a derivation index of a wallet, right?
I am not sure.
But that's what it would be, right?
Because if there's a token split, I'm just saying just think of it in like small like small terms like just just
picture to picture a derivation index is the main wallet and then all the derivative wallets
in it and then they all lead back to the main wallet and then the cat token is like the contract and then multiple
contracts you know however far down you need to go and it's like the reason why that works
is like nobody taught me that i just put two i just imagine that those two things are the reason why the attack vectors are slimmer than the EVM and other mock chains, as Gene says, right?
So you have to be accountable with like your own that's why the sage wallet and that dude
i can say like things that i've heard people say about rigidity's parents where they felt like they
were angelic and all all this cool stuff and it's like that's the dude who made the sage wallet that dude and he's considering and and and bridging gaps to like you know people
will argue that chia is complex to the average user but when self-custody becomes the only thing
that you are and have ever been then the wallet is you duh likeuh. Like, if you think life is hard, well, then use the Sage wallet
because it's all hard because you had to be accountable
for every decision you made.
And every decision you made splits into different avenues.
You act this way to get this outcome and then these people
and then this and that.
It's all split up. So it's like the tokens mimic it, the derivation index mimics
like the split realities of one decision. So one decision is the umbrella wallet,
the main one, and then the hardened addresses are the traits that stand out within that wallet.
It's like those hardened addresses are the ones you refer to.
Just like we have traits in ourselves that we refer to as more dominant than the passive ones.
Yeah.
If all the Chia was just in one address by default,
it would have made it easier to use, I think,
and basically make it hard to have multi-addresses just to start with,
because now everyone's Chia is, like, yeah,
it's like you think you've got a certain balance,
but in actual fact you've got lots of mini-balances,
and that's a bit unintuitive i think
it's not the end of the world but it's unintuitive to like the world of convenience that is easy to
steal from right so the more convenient something is the easier it is to steal from people so like
yesterday i i've been seeing on space scan that my Gobi wallet that I have, I now have it on Sage.
But, um, I sent myself, cause someone said something and I sent myself some of the same
Chia that I had. And I had one Chia and I sent 0.4 to the same address. And then I turned around
and looked, and then I had two point something and I was like oh
so there's an address floating within the derivation index that is holding that other
two point whatever that's showing me that I have three on space scan and it's been showing me this
for a long time and I've been like that's not showing up but then I sent myself some and then
it sent it back to the main wallet.
And I was like, oh, that is there.
So there is just chia hidden from me.
And I was like, oh, but it's like this is like this stuff is built for people that are going to have to like teach people shit.
So like all of us using it are going to be the ones that
have to because if they're going to secure the stock market on here then we're by default going
to have to show people how to use this shit and that's you want to be scared be scared now like
you're you know you don't you want to exempt yourself well you're gonna see
all your friends and friends that use this shit be putting the world on you know and uh that's
what i think is happening and some of us were called here to do that and she is a four-letter word.
I'm not – look, I could be sounding like I'm trying to be super profound,
but just take it as you want.
Like, dude, we're here.
We're here now.
Sage wallet, go be.
Like, you know, these are four-letter words. These people that make this stuff are way smarter than we give them credit for. And we already give them everything
as far as credit. So I think that don't take my word for it. Some of us are just
going to be here forever.
You know, I'm going to have to tell all my family and friends or like people that matter, like how important this stuff is and, you know, how you're going to have no choice
because money will be here.
Money is coming here.
And we all have to.
The value is in the people that notice value based on how it's perceived it's not just the money you know so I guarantee if you ask Bram
what he thinks of finance I mean like how he set his shit up it's set up to be automated
it's not set up to rule his life
he's creating
he's showing us how to create our own value
through wanting
through wanting music
you know
to be shared and stored
and yeah it's crazy to be shared and stored.
And yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, I love what you're saying about music on Data Layer because that's kind of where I think the music is going
is the vision for Chia Music is anyone can upload a song.
You verify it with your NFT,
sort of this is an official ignore song
because you use the ignore nft whatever that cheer music would send so once the nft for
music would be received then they can use it to upload a song to the data layer where you
mirror it for free which is uncensorable so musicians could walk in on day one elton john is back oh god no oh well fuck it he's on cheer
and uh he's like there you go have you figure and he's he can put his music literally it's not
uncensorable technically because it's just not but let's just say if elton john put one of his
first bits of music on data there'd be so many mirrors if it was easy that it'd be really hard
to you know it's far more secure than what he's got stored in his whoever he was signed for warner brothers whatever
all the backup copies all of those people the metallics of the world and the drummers of metallic
that have like the craziest shit to say their fucking asses are gonna be over here securing
their value with their royalties and everything on this technology, which is like it may be revered as, you know, not as convenient, but so is their request, right?
Like it's not convenient.
So you got to deal with fairness, brother, like, and sisters.
You want to be fucking difficult?
Then learn how to fucking custody your difficulty, right?
And so this is what that stuff is.
It's fair.
And people can offload it to their assistant, but their assistant needs to learn how to do it.
So their assistant becomes more valuable than them. And that's where all those things that value is supposed to be like this thing that we all have.
It's like, no, the person that learns it is the value because they know what fairness is and fairness is value.
That's all this is, is fairness.
And some people aren't fair.
This world is run by the inversion that's not fair.
So they're all going to have to adhere to it or kick rocks.
Go make your own.
You know, some people just know that.
Some people are built to do this.
And, you know, we're living in a time where we get to see it.
I mean, how fucking cool is our Bram and Gene to give us their time online?
Who else is doing that?
Vitalik's not doing that.
Richard Hart isn't doing that.
Yeah, I do find that curious.
That Vitalik is not out here talking about crypto.
It only makes me think that he's not really trying to promote it that much,
maybe to a certain point.
Like, he could be in our space.
He could be doing space with Charles Hoskinson, with Gene.
Like, if they're really keen to promote blockchain,
they should be out talking about it.
about it but the fact they're not that reeks to me of sabotage more than incompetence that's where
But the fact they're not, that reeks to me of sabotage more than incompetence.
you see that that's where you see that like chia chia's compliance so there's compliance and
there's defiance the defiant ones aren't coming to stand up for the people that use their shit
gene is standing up for the people that use his stuff and the stuff that he represents with Bram Cohen.
And I don't think people even get that.
Like compliance is everything.
Like it's communicate.
It's the root word.
So prefix and suffix like when I'm just going to say when DBC was in here and he told me the Latin like root of communicate.
I was talking about the prefix. I wasn't talking
about the word. If you go look up the prefix, com, compliance, communication, community,
those things are important. Those things are binding. And that's what I was talking about.
I wasn't trying to denounce his thoughts of individuality.
I was talking about how important it is to have community because there's communities of people that buy his work and my work and other people's work.
It wasn't to tear him down. It was just like, I'm not talking about what you're talking about.
what you're talking about you know what i mean i'm talking about what's going on and compliance
is the reason why chia is the blockchain that's not a mock chain and there's going to be secured
trillions of dollars coming through this network
and it's not eth it's not bitcoin it's not all this other stuff that's been corrupted and taken advantage of
and uh yeah it's like really easy to see now it makes sense
you don't hear people just forking to you like and if they have like where you know where's it at
it's just going to lead people to realize like who made what and what things are modeled after
and it's not going to be a discussion it's just going to be left to your curiosity and
you know a lot of c words are really important, right? Creation, curiosity, chia, co-in, coexist, communication, community.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm stupid.
But, like, it's there, you know?
you know these these things like words or letters you know like letters or words
letters or letters the sounds of something they rep with their vibration
of some form we agree on exactly it's a it's a resonance like there's a that's why they're
gathered you know their spells their magic it's wielding things into existence and
at a certain point there there's sounds that aren't speech that like make things happen and
that's how things get moved and there's sound healing you know there's all kinds of stuff so um
I'm gonna I'm gonna finish this by saying like I appreciate you letting me do my thing and
like we're all still here together we're gonna wake up tomorrow and you know there's gonna be
something to focus on and something to tackle and it's not gonna be trying to figure out what I said it's just gonna realize you're just gonna realize that you got everything in front of and it's not going to be trying to figure out what I said. It's just
going to realize, you're just going to realize that you got everything in front of you. That's
not what we were just talking about. And you're going to have to like either mold yourself to,
to get with that. Cause it's not what I say. It's just about like, that's what I'm getting
from it. And we're all trying to move around the things that we've been doing to get to this point of cohesion, you know?
So it's cohesive, and it's cooperative, and you're communicating, you know, and you're comprehending, you know?
And we're compounding, you know and we're compounding you know so that's like it's it's super important like like
C is a three which is three is like the Trinity right and then it's just like the Trinity of what
the Holy Trinity so like that's why the most important things are usually C words. It's like,
dude, come on. Don't take my word for it. Like, just know that like, you're here for the right
reasons. Like, you don't have to necessarily know. But you would want to thank yourself,
to necessarily know but you would want to thank yourself like your subconscious for getting you
there and you're like god damn it i did just like sit at the right place at the right time
in space fuck god damn it who do i thank
just thank yourself that's all it is just thank yourself. That's all it is. Just thank yourself.
And just get ready for what's going to happen.
Because we're in a fucking crazy time.
And we're in a crazy year, too.
So it's not going to get any easier.
And some of the best minds are telling you that.
Like, they're like, hey, it's not going to get easier. But we're there.
We're almost there.
Like, we might be in the final yuga of the
Kali like Kali Yuga of the yugas the four you know it's like an Indian thing and it's like what
I heard in passing like you know somebody that made this like their wife is Indian like I don't
know maybe think about the correlation between like is this embedded and encoded or is it just happened to be this way?
No, it's designed this way.
We're already in the design.
It's automated.
It's autonomous.
So the autonomy is going to take care of itself, whether you live to see it or not.
But if you can identify it while you're here, it's going to feel better when it's time to leave.
Well, I think that that's a beautiful note to wind down on because you said that you're checking out soon.
So I think that's a great summary of the whole day space and everything the last few years.
Yeah, really great way to look at it.
I really appreciate hearing your thoughts and thanks for coming up. Uh,
yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Edward. I appreciate you, man.
You too. Yeah.
Any final thoughts or anything else you'd like to remove from your chest
before my chest, right? Uh, the storage.
Nah, man, I I'm good I appreciate you
we'll save some for later
we'll save some breakdowns for later
as we're moving forward
into
all this
I'd love to chat about mushrooms again
one day
that's a nice little mushroom teaser.
We left the mycelium networks of what are they doing underground?
If anyone knows, let us know.
Yeah, man, that'd be a good topic of combo too, man.
The people in Japan, Japanese people are using this shit to make subways.
Yeah, that'd be a sign of the future.
If Japanese people are speaking to western
people about mycelium networks underneath portland oregon live then we're on the path to decentralization
and the birds are tweeting the sun is out what a great space thanks love you all dedicated to
up with heart bradley wallace who's been here every week. Apart from a couple, we missed a couple of weeks, whatever.
But in three years now, we've been going.
So shout out to Bradley.
And yeah, what should I close on?
Maybe a little nature sound.
Some nature sounds for a few minutes.
Then I'll close the space out.
So this one is dedicated to time and nature.
Love you guys. Thank you. Gracias. Thank you. E aí Thank you. E aí .
