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2 weeks? Litecoin, Monero, Qubic, Saylor Moon Boi, treasuries
Recorded: Aug. 14, 2025 Duration: 2:55:47Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the recent growth of Litecoin, including a $100 million treasury purchase, while addressing the challenges faced by Monero amidst security concerns and price declines. The potential for innovative partnerships and projects, such as merging mining efforts with Litecoin, was also highlighted, signaling a dynamic shift in the crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. and
and We'll be right back. Nobody wants to party with me.
20 years has to be gone.
I'm throwing up on you for a long time.
The lights are out, but I know that you're home.
Nobody wants to party with me.
Nobody wants to party with me Yeah! One, two, three, four! All right.
What a fitting song. What a fitting song. Nobody came into spaces yet. So nobody wants to party with me. That was a band called the Nine Pound Hammer. Actually, I kind of just
came across them. I have a buddy of mine who is always wanting to get a band together, play some music, maybe perform someday.
He's always kind of on me like, let's get together.
And I'm an OK guitarist.
I used to be much better.
I can sing a little bit, but I'm not that great.
And I was like, I don't know.
I'm always like, I don't want to get into it because I don't have the time to sit there and get all precise with the leads and everything. And so I was listening actually to, if you know, the presidents of the United States of America, you know, the old band from the 90s that played Peaches and Lump and all that.
and just keep it simple simple chords if it's going to be a lead it's going to be real basic
and maybe just focus on let's have songs that are fun to play and um you know we're not out to get
famous or play weddings or anything we just want to go play at a bar once in a while type of thing
and uh so yeah i started looking for songs that were like that and uh youtube you know recommended
that song and i was like that's a pretty good fit for what I'm thinking of.
Just some straightforward 4-4, maybe kind of newer.
I guess a lot of it falls in the category of almost like punk, like more of a new age punk.
But anyway, that's how I came across that song.
But dude, it's been an event.
I feel like it's eventful again.
Maybe I was so bored for so long because there was so little going on in
crypto,
but it's been,
it's been a whirlwind last couple of weeks.
What do you think animal?
Is it?
I don't know.
I mean,
but behind the whole Monero thing, what did I put up here?
Obviously Litecoin, you know.
We always talk about Litecoin.
That's been good.
And we've had the treasury actually get purchased in the last couple weeks.
Yeah.
A hundred million.
Yeah.
There's been Mr. Sailor out
speaking his regular bullshit of borrowing money,
that type of thing.
And then this whole Monero attack.
That, yeah, okay,
I'll admit that's pretty significant.
When they first
started talking about this last week, I was like,
okay, so who's this cubic guy,
whatever, it's not a big
deal. But then when they had that orphan chain,
what was it?
Seven or...
I think it's still going on.
Is it still going on?
That's kind of...
Possibly.
I haven't been following closer than uh the fireable uh no yeah but for the last couple
of days they've been you know just posting all this all this stuff about how there's another
long chain that works blocks um i think i saw these two of them in the last two days
I think I saw these two of them in the last two days
so yeah
I was trying to go back because
I swear
I've said that in spaces in the past
of like you know one of the things
that would worry me about CPU
mining is that there's
no barrier to
entry so like you know
CPUs I mean shit anybody can
you know there's thousands and thousands of
uh god how many cpu how much cpu hardware is on the planet you know i mean well how many like
that's like amazon data centers are there like how many azure how many people rent cloud computing
right um and only use it during the day right how many people then um turn them off or
just yeah disconnect their instances at night right it's actually cheaper to mine at night
right like it's just rather it's cheaper to rent um compute space at night in that in that
locales yeah and if you're if your intent is not to make money,
it's just to wreak havoc on a chain for whatever reason,
you don't have that barrier to entry.
If you buy an ASIC, you're investing,
and it's like you can maybe do it for a while,
but why would you want to do that?
You can make a lot more money just by...
A Monero ASIC?
Well, I'm saying with Litecoin and Bitcoin, you have ASIC.
So you have to actually go buy specialized equipment.
Which, again, may have its drawbacks, too.
You know, I think there's something to be said about CPU mining.
But, you know...
There's a lot of underutilized CPU compute power owned by a lot of wealthy
individuals who might have,
you know,
a vested interest in not having a super anonymized.
There's probably more CPUs in the Pentagon than there are mining Monero
today around the world.
I mean,
just think about it.
People with desks,
laptops. So I've always felt like that's a, I mean just think about it people with desks laptops
so I've always felt like that's
I don't know
one of those things where you go
why isn't that happening
it's like when we talk about BCH and Bitcoin
why haven't Bitcoin miners
attacked BCH yet
it seems like
it would happen but again it's kind of like you go, what's the motivation?
You know, they're losing out.
Well, I mean, it's also what's true about BCH is that they've fortified their blockchain, right?
With their dynamic adjustment.
Yeah.
So if they do vomit with a bunch of, I guess like it could do a 51% attack, but
I don't know. Yeah, why haven't they done that? Maybe it's harder to execute than we think.
Maybe there's just not enough money being transacted on Bitcoin Cash for it to matter.
Yeah, I don't know. You know, I was actually looking to buy a computer.
Because long story short, I have this laptop whose thermal paste got cooked.
And I reapplied the thermal paste a few months ago.
And I guess I did a poor job because the results on my thermals didn't improve.
Anyways, so I was like was like you know playing i was playing
battlefield i don't know if you heard about this game it came out it's playing battlefield 6. no
it's really it's it's a new it's a beta whatever it's a amazing game um
and my frame rate was so low my buddy was like yeah i'm getting like a how was it
rate was so low my buddy was like yeah i'm getting like a how low was it
dude i was like getting like 100 frames per second early come on i was i was just i was
setting you up for a classic joke you just missed it come on dude i rave my frame rate was so low
how low was it my frame rate was so low and then you have the punchline. Come on. Did you watch comedy in the 1980s?
That was the whole fucking shtick.
I'm telling you a story, but okay.
What's the punchline?
Well, you've got to come up with the punchline.
I don't know.
It was so low.
Okay, yeah.
Well, it was so low.
It looked like the price of Monero this last week.
Something like that.
It was really bad.
I wish it was that low.
The price of Monero's went down what?
Quite a bit.
Less than 10%. I don't know.
I thought quite a bit.
I was actually going back and trying to find
old posts.
Finish your story. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Yeah, so
just, oh, fuck, in the last five days, Monero
did go down 25 so yeah
the last week 30 rather last five days seven cents yeah and we can see it's actually down
quite a bit uh so okay so i'm you know i'm like i'll just i'm like pissed off because i need to
buy new computers so i start shopping for computers and i get, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get an AMD chip
because these are the best for gaming at the moment, at least.
And so I'm looking, I'm like,
oh, maybe I can mine Monero with my computer and stuff.
Right? So I'm looking at the CPU,
costs about 700 bucks Canadian,
about 500 bucks US or so, 550.
And I'm like, oh, how much would I make
if I just mine Monroe with this thing?
And it's like $1.50 a day, you know?
So I'd probably recoup the price I spend
on that processor in a year.
Probably not if the hash rate increases, right?
But like the economic incentives for CPU money
aren't super high. That's my point with this whole thing tuck pseudo uh right yeah cake wallet he's been um buying up cpu chips and stuff
gpus to try to fight back uh he rented a hash base on... What was it?
Power Pool?
Okay.
Anyway.
Was it Power Pool or somewhere else he rented it?
Never mind.
It wasn't Power Pool.
And, yeah, so he rented, like, 12 hours of compute
for $25, rather.
And he probably made $12.
How much did he spend?
Not profit.
So negative profit.
It's $25.
Yeah, so he lost $12.50.
Well, it's funny.
I'm thinking about it, and it puts you in such a, because you're like, shit, what do I do here? Do I, you know, jump ship? That's a possibility, right? You just say, shit, maybe I was wrong, I miscalcul how long you can even sustain.
You know, you don't want to sit there and mine at a loss for an extended period of time.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what the motives are behind Cubic.
I guess that's the part maybe I'm missing.
Have they been declaring it?
I heard something spicy.
I think they might be.
Oh, dude.
Oh, come on.
Like, literally, I saw that.
Oh, look at the funding.
Is that true?
It's from the Jewish banks.
Like, are we being serious here?
Like, is that the first place we could?
I don't know.
I mean, honestly.
Doesn't that seem crazy to you?
Is it true or not?
I mean, look.
Okay, where's that post?
Are Jewish people involved in cryptocurrency?
Absolutely.
You know, the guy who started LightSpark, David Marcus.
I don't know.
I don't know if he's a card.
I don't know how that works.
But from my understanding, I would go, oh, he looks like a Jewish guy.
Does that make him a bad guy inherently?
Like, it's just such a weird.
Like, here's the thing if even if that's the case
who cares they figured out a way to destroy it was if it wasn't them it was going to be somebody
else you know what i mean the point is it's vulnerable and they sit there and go oh well
you know fuck there was one today i thought it was so funny to me because they go, it was that Ray Yousef guy. And he's like, saying something along the lines of like, if you, you know, we must be getting, you know, antagonizing the powers that be. We're toppling the empire. That's why they're coming after us. And it's like, I mean, again, I, maybe I'm just not as dramatic as these other people, but I, I said, you know, yeah, like when they attacked Vertcoin with a 51% attack, was that a, was that the empire being toppled? Was it, I think Digibytes been attacked 51%. These aren't toppling empires. It's just people exploiting a weakness, taking advantage. Probably somebody shorted. I mean, God, imagine if they shorted the market
at $400 and did this attack and had success
and they just turned around and doubled their money or more.
I mean, they could have leveraged short that thing
and made a fortune.
And that's a more simple motivation
of like pricing got a little high.
They felt like here's an opportunity to exploit a weakness and take advantage of it.
That's what everyone always says about a 51% attack on these on Bitcoin or Litecoin is that they would just use it to short make money and move on with their day.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, for sure.
But I wonder if perhaps
the enemies of the U.S. and Israel
are using the arrows, basically.
Could be.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Like they were attacking the Gossians
or something like that.
Right.
And with all this Iran stuff,
perhaps
this is just, perhaps
they know something we don't.
But yeah,
I found the post and it's
actually gone on
wall.
He retweeted Tux. I generally like Ray. I just and it's actually gone on where you sips, uh, wall. He retweeted tux.
I generally like Ray.
I just think it's funny when people get so dramatic with their language.
Like,
yeah,
I think race,
race,
the man,
hell of a guy,
man.
I'm not gonna lie.
It makes me think I should buy some cubic.
I don't know. Probably, probably best.
Stay out of it. Stay out of it.
They, and that's the thing. So like, what's Monero's play here, right?
If they, if they're vulnerable to, you know,
VC corporate state actors, right,
to reorg, and they've been attacked
for, like, the past week or so, right?
What's their move?
Are they going to step away
from that double CPU mining goal?
Dude, I already said it.
You saw the answer.
Merge mine with Litecoin.
Yeah.
I mean, why not?
That'd be pretty badass, man.
Wouldn't it be crazy if Charlie
puts that out there right now?
Hey, Monero community, if you're interested,
I'd be happy to help you learn,
help you merge mine with Litecoin
and Dogecoin and Bellscoin.
I mean, that would be a signal.
I mean, that would be a signal of like, is this the future?
Right?
That these chains have to abandon their individuality to a degree and get on board with the big secure networks.
But it makes me think of
something else, too. Because I've, I don't know, maybe a couple years ago
I heard somebody talk about proof of stake, and I didn't put this to Joel Valenzuela.
I don't think proof of stake
is this nightmare that everyone claims it
is. I think everyone claims it is.
I think proof of work is good for distribution of the coins.
But as far as governance,
I don't know that there's a difference between being a miner who's invested in equipment,
has bought land,
puts money forward, electricity, planning, all this stuff in order to mine the coins.
And someone who's allocating money to put coins aside, essentially, make an investment to earn yield on their coins.
To me, it's the same basic thing.
You're either buying a hardware piece of equipment
or you're buying the coins itself the coin itself
well i guess it depends on the barrier to entry right like if you look at solana's model for
example to get us to become a solana validator right you've i don't know how much it costs
these servers are not cheap But you also have to be
kind of chosen to be
one.
You can't just join the network
on your own. You have to be approved and all this stuff.
I'm not sure how it works
for Ethereum.
I think
you just have to have a lot to stake.
You just have to have a certain amount of Ethereum.
Yeah, and I think you could even do some things around like,
if you've been staking longer, you have more weight.
So you can't just jump in.
So I don't know.
My point is, I don't know that we're at the end of the game,
long term about security.
And I think, I don't know.
I like to keep an open mind about it because there's been
a lot of different variations put out there of like proof of time stay, proof of, yeah,
there's all sorts of different proof of this, proof of that. But I don't know. I think I'm
looking 20, 30 years in the future. We got to be mindful that you've got to keep people incentivized
to mine
in good faith.
better yet, I shouldn't say mine.
Validate transactions in good faith.
So I see the way,
the advantage that mining has is that,
okay, yeah, there are still centralized pools that have a large amount of.
Yeah, but people can easily see this and miners have the freedom to easily move between pools if one of them is up to something, you know, better if they get too powerful.
Right. So the ecosystem is to some degree self healing and decentralized.
The ecosystem is to some degree self-healing and decentralized.
Yeah, I still don't believe in proof of stake.
I think it has its uses, but just perhaps not for currency.
Perhaps for other things.
Maybe it's just quicker it's quicker to move,
for smart contracts and whatnot.
when these layer twos have a huge speed advantage.
Well,
okay.
The proof of stake.
All these things can be achieved on.
I was saying the proof of stake is about validating.
Um, and again, I'm not saying we need to do this. I'm just throwing the idea out there. It's about validating transactions, right? Making sure that you don't get forked off. want to mix that with like the distribution of coins it doesn't impact like the size of the
chain it doesn't impact the speed of the blocks you can you can have mining and have 10 second
blocks i mean caspa has like what one second ten a tenth of a second blocks those aren't impacted
by proof of work or versus proof of stake this is just purely about who gets to say these transactions are valid,
meaning there's no double spend.
And I'd be curious if proof of stake has been shown,
like a true proof of stake,
which I would call probably Ethereum's
probably the model of they started proof of work,
they reached a certain point
where they had fairly distributed coins.
I mean, obviously they had some pre-buy as well,
but they started proof of work,
got to a point and said,
okay, we're going proof of stake moving forward.
And I don't know, have there been double spends?
Have there been anything like that
that we would say is a result of the proof of stake
versus proof of work?
I haven't seen it. I guess that's all I'm saying.
Right. And I mean, the only thing that I can look at with proof of stake in Ethereum specifically
is their history of using that central governance model to just to rewrite the chain.
Yeah.
Right.
With the Dow hackers, that's a big one.
And I think...
But that was proof of work.
That was proof of work.
I don't know.
That was proof of work.
That was governments.
That wasn't validating transactions.
I mean, yeah, they agree.
There is something there of basically rewriting the chain.
But didn't Bitcoin do the same thing in like 2013?
Didn't they have to reorg or do something to...
Am I wrong in that?
I think they did have to do an update when...
I forget which...
I wish I had an extra one.
Yeah, there was a moment when the chain stopped and they had to push an update.
Oh, that had to hear the shit out of everybody.
Oh, here's the irony.
Here's the irony.
Bitcoin Magazine, March 13th, 2013.
An article titled, Bitcoin Network Shaken by Blockchain Fork, written by Vitalik Buterin.
How about that?
Isn't that funny?
Isn't it funny
that Charlie and Vitalik are like
two of the oldest OGs in the whole space?
I find that really cool.
I mean,
I'm like,
I mean,
Vitalik's been
fucking a great thinker in the space.
No, he's amazing, for sure.
Yeah, I just, I don't know.
I feel like, and like, okay, so it's hypocritical because I'm like, yeah, Vitalik has too much control.
who knows if that's even the case these days I don't follow it as much as I should
Who knows if that's even the case.
I don't follow the arena as much as I should.
but it's all about like at this point it's about trust who's got the most integrity which
blockchain has the most integrity yeah is Bitcoin's integrity in question right now with all you know the black rocks micro strategies and you know
block streams and stuff all of them like having such a huge amount of control over its future
uh is ethereum you know is this integrity in question right now it's charlie lee's
i feel like i've always here's what i'll say
look we've talked to you know i mean i've been in here for fucking years talking about this stuff
i've talked it to death and i think the thing that i would say the opinion of mine that has
changed from the beginning of doing these is that ultimately as a buyer of these coins, you kind of have,
it's your responsibility to maybe understand what the risks are to a degree.
And like if, let's say,
yeah, let's say Iran starts,
I don't know, nuclear,
they get nuclear electricity
and they allocate it all towards Bitcoin mining.
They start grabbing up all these things
and they start attacking the Bitcoin chain
with ASIC miners, SHA-256.
Those hugely invested bodies
like MicroStrategy, BlackRock,
you don't think they're going to be
trying to think of some political way
or like a way to say to the other miners,
look, we're going to change shit.
Let's roll back the chain. This is bullshit. And at some point,
like they are the people who are invested in the chain. So it's like,
it's kind of the idea is that it shouldn't have any say in that,
but the reality is these were still people. And so like consensus is consensus.
If you don't like it, like leave.
That's the whole point.
They're doing things you don't like.
You just change, change ships.
You know what I mean?
Which is why you want a lot of monies.
You don't want just one.
You want them constantly competing against each other so that you don't get stuck with one stupid coin.
I mean, it's just goes back to the maximalism thing.
It's just so dumb.
Although maximalists at least think it's going to happen naturally.
They don't think it's going to happen by force.
Well, I don't think they imagine that Bitcoin will be the only coin, you know, shaming everybody to death.
I don't think there's anybody serious like we should delist all other coins but Bitcoin.
I think you'd have a couple nut jobs, but for the most part, the real...
And I think more and more of the maxi psychology is becoming less... I don't know man i still see like there's definitely
some camps out there and it's always interesting to me to see who the attackers are like that
matthew crater went after jameson lopp and i'm thinking what is jameson doing that's pissing
anybody off it's so crazy or going after again going after vitalik or go after charlie
or roger veer there's still a camp of those people that just i don't know man it's a it's
a marketing thing it's all i can think of it pleases their audience you know it's like
feeding the seals you know i'm saying yeah no for sure uh they've got they've got a
they've got podcasts right as well they need to have um need to piece to their sponsors as well
i guess their audience right if their audience is largely a maxi audience. They can't diverge from their talking points.
They can't have an open mind about certain things.
Dude, there's some of these.
Because I've been starting to watch again.
I was really checked out for a while.
And I was just this week kind of getting on
and seeing some of these threads again, these guys write.
I was like, God damn, it's crazy the bullshit
that can come out of their mouths. They're so eloquent in the way they play this story about,
I mean, fuck one, one guy, it's just hilarious. You just think, do you hear yourself talking?
You sound insane. A coin that nobody really, I mean, great. I look, I love Bitcoin, but
we're so far from where we want to be. And just the idea that we're somehow toppling governments.
We're so far, man.
I mean, that's the thing.
I saw a post about someone suggesting that they change the title of the white paper, right?
Because Bitcoin is no longer peer-to-peer digital.
Oh, I didn't see that.
Yeah, I mean, it's just, right?
It's not really the people's currency anymore.
It's become a store of value.
It's become too expensive to transact with.
Although I'm sure, hold on, what are the fees like right now?
Oh, they're probably not bad right now.
Let me find the one that was, the other one the other day.
I was just like, oh, man.
Actually, I think I wrote out, one was where I wrote out a comment,
and I'm like, this isn't even worth it.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it's just like so over the top.
Because it's just like so over the top, man.
Yeah, see, you know, it's three sets per V byte for high priority transactions, so it's not too bad.
It's like 52 cents to get confirmed in the next block.
So, okay, that's fine.
For now.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, I think this ordinal hype thing,
this ordinal issues,
is largely behind us.
I don't think we're going to see what we saw around the halving anymore.
I could be wrong.
Probably wrong.
Someone will find some reason to
put it on there.
Find a reason to use it.
As they should. Hopefully they do find good
useful things for it.
I mean really
high fees
let's just say even moderately high fees
$5 fees
are a tremendous
sign that this is doing something that people actually care about.
Right.
Yeah, no one's calling Bitcoin a failure at all.
But I think it's important to keep your eye on the mission, right?
your eye on the mission right to keep your eye on the fact that it needs to be usable um
To keep your eye on the fact that it needs to be usable.
and i feel like you know the big blockers were right about a lot of things
um it's just that the way they went went about it is totally wrong right um they didn't have
the consensus they needed well in a way and this is where like when i bring up
shit like proof of stake in the beginning i know it's like oh this is where like when I bring up shit like proof of stake in the beginning, I know it's like, oh, this is off limits or like you go into maxi spaces, tail emissions would be like, no way it'd be the death of the chain.
And I think what happened in that moment was that you're right.
Like there are some things BCHers said that you look back and go, yeah, you know, they should have gone to two megabytes.
You know, they should have gone to two megabytes.
Like that wouldn't have been the craziest thing just to buy themselves some time.
But it created this divide where one side has to be such zealots about it that they can no longer.
They're no longer looking at things rationally.
No, right.
They pigeon themselves into the position and then they can't change it at this point.
So it's like they've.
Yeah.
Bitcoin Cash forced Bitcoin to ossify prematurely um and that's that's that's sad i don't think it's good for bitcoin
i think bitcoin still had a lot of room to grow in terms of block size um
had a lot of room to grow in terms of block size um in terms of other stuff too right i feel like
now that you know that that split happened before captain in 2017 uh a lot of people
don't want bitcoin to change at all um you know just to prove that they were great you know and
the truth is like if if, if Bitcoin does
go back on its position, like, we can be like, okay, I'll need to make some improvements.
It kind of does it does it remain the best chain?
No, I guess because the hash bar, yeah, but like, in terms of its tech instability, is
it still superior to Bitcoin Cash.
I think it'll raise a lot of questions to people.
Some people might reconsider their position.
Yeah, it's funny.
I'm like actually watching Bitcoin Cash. Their innovation was slower in the beginning.
It's more rapid today than it was for sure there's a lot more
probably freedom and kind of that's with the bsv guys are always speed running all these crazy
changes you can do and i think that also kind of i don't know made that made it i don't say worse
but like if they would have just gone to eight megabytes and just said, that's it for now.
Like, you know, we're not doing anything.
Well, maybe that's all they did.
Like, they didn't do the changing blocks.
I know they're trying to survive.
I don't like the, what is it, the dynamic block size?
Is that them or is that Monero that has that?
Is that them or is that Monero that has that?
It's dynamic.
Dynamic.
Yeah, but there's also dynamic block size, which I think Monero has,
but I don't know.
I think Bitcoin Cash has that as well.
Or is it Bitcoin SB?
I think that's a bad move, to be honest with you.
I think they should should not have done
that I don't know I remember having a reasoning behind it at one point but I
feel like you have to have some scarcity to create fees because if you just
maybe I guess you must be billions of transactions well that's the thing right
so okay so the block size level on Bitcoin cash is 32 megabytes, which is huge.
And I think that might be the upper limit in terms of what people consider to be a stable block size.
Above that limit, I guess there's, I'm not sure what exactly the issue was but was it
orphan chains happen more often?
no what was
the limiting factor
what the dynamic
time you mean?
no the block size
like there's a reason
why the 32 megabyte block size was decided upon.
Is there a reason why we've stopped at 32 megabytes?
I mean, certainly they don't need more than that.
Are you navigating your internet search?
I am.
I'm married.
So I guess I think it's interesting, those two camps,
and I do think that they are permanently, like,
there's a certain percentage of the BTC community that's just always going to be
this ossified curmudgeon and to this date it's proven to not be a problem right if anything
hey they're the they're the most adamant they've captured the minds I think they're I think their
nature is more compelling than being more of a, hey, let's say we should all win, right?
Like, and the reality is everyone should have the freedom to choose.
That's the message, but that doesn't put butts in the seats, I guess, you know, what
gets people's attention is this is going to be the only money.
Here's your way to make millions of dollars.
Just buy it today, sit on it, and your kids are going to never have to work a day in their life. I'm like, okay, that's
where we've become. If you look at YouTube, I mean, that's what people are selling. Michael
Saylor, fuck, I guess I didn't see it. So I don't want to say, but I guess he did it
again. He was talking about borrowing money, right?
Yeah.
I'm not surprised.
why would he stop?
Why should he stop?
Well, he's selling a
story.
Remember that guy from Coinbase
that told us at the summit?
The story? He's made this story. He's concocted this story.
And I guess it's exuding like perfect confidence of just
this is, I'm putting everything into it. I'm never selling it.
You keep buying it. You're going to get rich. Look what's happened to me.
This could be you, you you. And so far,
so good. He's convinced.
The market's proved him right so far.
As long as that
narrative is still in play,
if uh is still in play i mean it's hard to argue with the guy um
it's hard to argue with the guy.
that said i think like one had a had a heck of a good good week we're up above um you know a
thousand light coin or yeah the thousand to one ratio which is nice it's unbelievable isn't it
it is god i remember my buddy i probably told you this
story before he he was very fortunate he mined he actually wasn't even paying attention to bitcoin
when i talked to him in 2017 or 16 i think it was i was like hey do you know what bitcoin is and i
was talking he's like yeah he goes you know i actually used to mine bitcoin i think i'm like really he goes yeah i was big into like
glenn beck and he was talking about it so i set my laptop up and it ran and ran and that thing
was so loud blah blah and i'm like well it's and i think at the time it was like a thousand bucks
i guess like a thousand dollars and he's like really like he had no fucking clue
it'd been like years since he even looked at the thing and so he's like i gotta figure out how many
i got you know and so he and i started talking a lot about crypto and he got me into litecoin and
we would come with these goofy trading methods back in 17 and at after 2017 when the ratio went down to like 0.006 or something, we were like, what the fuck?
We couldn't believe the ratio was so low.
And he was like, should I be trading more of my Bitcoin?
Should I trade everything into Litecoin right now?
And I'm like, I don't know, dude.
Like, this is crazy.
It's, you know, because we were, again, four to one ratio.
And like, how can it be less than 1%? That doesn't make any sense. And yeah, just this, this story made, I don't, he didn't, I know at some point he put about half of his Bitcoin into Litecoin. that mindset changes and to hear a thousand to one now and just be like how how is that possible
like that story that they've told is so
strong
the only surviving coin
like that there will be only one
that's really really
infected the
market you know
100%
no it's great marketing
yeah who knows man maybe the market will 100%. No, it's great marketing.
Yeah, who knows, man? Maybe the market will... Maybe I'll come to my senses and think the same way.
Maybe the market will change.
You can't...
You can only keep a lie going for so long.
When enough people learn about these things, and if they see Bitcoin as successful and go, wow, Bitcoin's been great.
And they turn over and they go, okay, well, what's the difference here?
Like when enough people understand it and are able to get out and tell that story,
I think that's probably the thing we've lacked really badly.
Is explaining how identical these things are.
And if you believe in scarcity.
And that scarcity has value.
This is also scarce.
Right.
And get them to say the stupid thing.
Like digital.
You can only discover.
What is it?
Digital scarcity once.
The fuck does that even mean?
But they all say it over and over again.
And that's the kind of language that gives people intense amounts of foam.
Yeah.
What is it?
Behind a wall?
What's the one Saylor always uses?
Behind a wall of digital energy or something like that, he always says.
I'm like, these motherfuckers are crafty, dude.
That doesn't mean anything there's no such thing as digital energy that doesn't even make any sense yeah no there are the laws of thermodynamics uh which can't be superseded by anything else
which can't be superseded by anything else.
And that's one thing that's binding, you know,
that's bound to Bitcoin's success, right?
And security.
It's the laws of thermodynamics.
Yeah, which is the people.
You can't mess with that.
But I just thought of a good meme.
So you have a t-shirt or a meme.
That's a finger digit.
And then you have it t-shirt or a meme. That's a finger digit.
And then you have it like waving around.
Energy or like movement is energy.
And then you have the next one is a middle finger.
It just says digital energy.
Okay.
Sorry.
That's not bad. No, but know like when it's got that too it's got this
digital scarcity but it's also generous with its uh with its energy right and that it's allowed
other chains to piggyback on a security um and a lot of other solutions to exist,
which ultimately, you know,
decreases the blast radius if there's some kind of epic failure on one of the
chains. Right.
And I think it's a, it's a safer model long term
yeah
well yeah I mean it really would give
Monero
way better
security and I'm kind
of surprised
I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a
topic of conversation
for Monero yeah it becomes a topic of conversation.
For Monero to, yeah,
to merge mine with Lightwind.
Yeah, because you're not,
you have a really hard time spinning up a new, I guess you could do a new algorithm
that is
able to be made with an ASIC.
Like, that's the choice they have to make.
How committed are we to this
idea of
we're going to be
CPU mined?
Yeah.
What is that
goal and does it still align with
the goals of the community?
Is it still a viable option? does it still align with the goals of the community right is it still a viable option is that this is the right path for them to be on it is
such an interesting she just brings in governance and then this is where the
mining comes back to so if they have to make a change the miners have to vote to
make the change right because yeah right, Monero is not profitable to mine. So I was talking to you about that $700 processor I wanted to buy. My calculations were off, I guess, because it looks like someone else came to a different conclusion. With a $700 processor, you're making 33 cents per day profit. It could be that I have cheaper electricity, so maybe it's more possible for me. But for this individual, Monero Maverick, it would take him 2,121 days to break even the CPU alone.
Never mind the rest of the computer.
Exactly.
And that's the CPU that's running 24-7.
Computers can do that, sure,pu that's that's running 24 7 that's you know computers can do that sure but you're gonna burn around yeah situation
yeah probably um other components might fail before i had motherboard memory you know power
supply probably almost a really good one yeah there. Yeah, there's a bunch of things that could fail, right?
See, this is interesting, though.
Let's say the miners.
Let's say that a bad actor gets a hold of the Litecoin mining.
Maybe it's a whale, a Bitcoin whale or something against some country.
Slowly and steadily, they get control of a mining and they are doing or censoring transactions you don't like.
Or they're doing things that you as a user are like, I, you know, I don't think this is the right direction or whatever.
Should the user have any vote?
I guess their vote is that they can leave.
But, yeah, do they have any vote to say, I don't like this happening?
well that's so people could point their miners to a different pool right oh they
Well, so people could point their miners to a different pool, right?
could like they tried to introduce a new chain the users could I guess just mine
the old chain and ignore the new chain okay so long as I don't have all the money in the world yeah
even so you could spin up the old chain
even if you didn't have one miner
you know
you could always start
just start a new chain essentially
and change the algorithm real quick
and you're good to go
okay I know I'm rambling a bit
is anybody coming in?
I thought we'd have some people but but, oh, here we go.
We got some people coming in.
Is anybody trying to come up and talk?
All right.
Hey, Chief, if you're here, because we were talking about you last week,
if you can talk, I want to hear more about your football show,
because football's starting, dude.
And I saw this video today.
It was two guys in a bar, and the ones that started talking shit got knocked out.
There's some, you know, guys.
And in the background was a Dallas Cowboys star.
I knew I knew it was some hillbillies in Texas.
I was like, fuck the Cowboys.
They got to fight.
No, they just were two drunk guys acting like idiots.
But there was a Dallas Cowboys star, and it made me think of Chief,
because I was like, yeah, Cowboys are trash.
You don't like football.
You don't watch football at all, huh, Animal?
Well, it's not that I don't like football.
I just don't watch sports.
I got left to go to a football game.
I used to play football in high school.
And I had a lot of fun playing football.
It's a fun fucking game to play.
But, yeah, anyways, I don't really follow.
I follow hockey a little bit more, right?
right? We have a team here, Montreal, the Canadians.
We have a team here, Montreal, the Canadians.
They're pretty, yeah,
Montreal Canadians are a pretty important part of my... Hockey is so huge
in Canada, man. It's so crazy. Yeah, yeah.
It's massive. It's massive. You know what happened, bro, this week?
It's funny. I have this, well, I had this
like, glaucoma on my back. I don't know what that is.
It's like a fat growth.
It's kind of like a tumor, but it's just fat.
Okay.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's not a big deal.
But anyways, I had one removed a couple years ago, and it grew back, right?
So I got this other one removed last week, whatever.
So I've got
two scars basically in the same place although one of them is quite long and
horizontal my back and the other one goes off like at a 45 degree angle that's
it's a much smaller so basically it looks like I have a scar on my back oh
I think you did on purpose or something? No, I mean, the doctor said,
yeah, you're going to look like you've got a hockey stick on your back.
I was like, screw you.
No one but my doctor, my girlfriend.
They probably were doing the surgery,
and they're like, make it look like a hockey stick.
Even your doctors are just nuts about it.
Yeah.
No, man, getting those things removed is fun. I can go in here and start digging around with the scalpel what is it just it just uh random
where it goes or does it go to the same place every time yeah it's just a fat cell that just
doesn't stop growing right um and so the first one i had removed is actually two of them. One of them came out in a nice fat clunk.
It looked like, I don't know.
It looked like a grapefruit.
Okay.
Or a mango, more like a mango, um, a yellow mango, you know, and the other one was like
the size of a golf ball.
Uh, but the golf ball size one, I guess it was deeper in some muscle tissue.
And so the last surgeon
left some of it in there. And it grew back. So hopefully this time she got really ball
of it. I'm hoping so. I mean, this stuff because it's like a cosmetic surgery. It's not like,
honestly, it was it was it was impinging my shoulders like it felt like uh there was
pressure on my muscle or nerve or something like i would just have a short like a stiff
such a young guy like every week we're talking about your health dude
yeah you interact together so tear yourself
you get stressed out you think that's what it is no i don't know probably uh it's just it's just genetic i guess like nobody knows the cause of
this of these lipomas there's no no cause for them um some people think that could be
trauma-based like if you get hit in a certain part of your body you can develop a
lipoma afterwards after some years um that's some trauma right like blood force trauma
i know some hockey players they have a bunch on their forearms because they get hit with hockey
sticks a lot there it kind of makes sense so i think it's yeah it could be that i just uh i
fell on my back or something i got hit him on my you know on my scapula that's, yeah, it could be that I just, I fell on my back or something. I got hit on my, you know, on my scapula.
That's where I have it.
But it's in such a place that, like, I feel it, right?
It pushes on a nerve up there.
So, you know, I start to notice it at some point.
And it's like, man, I can't really, you know, this arm's a little bit stiff.
I kept wanting to stretch it, you know, like going to yoga and stuff, getting massages.
And like, yeah, the masseuse should have to use the thing around.
You're so pampered.
I have a really good insurance policy with the company I work with.
That's good.
Shit, it rained out here.
I came out to have a fire.
That's all right, though.
I'll figure it out.
But, man, why is nobody talking these days, Animal?
Are we less inviting than we used to be?
Or is it, like, I'm just less objectionable or something?
I wasn't triggering arguments, was I?
Yeah.
Back in the day?
I don't know.
I think it's because you changed your name well that's all right no i think i think we're gonna just read rebuild you know i'm saying i was thinking about that like let's just keep doing
our thing and we'll get we're gonna get this back i'm not worried about it for sure for sure you
know uh i joined the space with the popless block account last week i had a lot of followers oh cool
and i think we got one or two
new followers so no I know man I'm at least posting again I was I was so busy like in from I don't
know fucking April to the end of July and then finally got kind of a break these last couple weeks to not have to focus on work all the time.
The truth is, dude,
the price isn't getting people excited
enough to come in. It's only the diehards that are
still here.
I'm fucking grateful for it.
Jose, your first name.
Oh, go ahead.
All these guys that show up,
thanks for sure.
We can't keep talking to each other., yeah, all these guys that show up. Thanks for sure. We can keep talking to each other.
But yeah, I think we're going to start to see some movement.
Like Luxfolio, a holding Sir Vancouver-based company, their stock price is doing great.
May Pharma is doing great.
The price of Litecoin is pumping.
We're up above $90.
We love the 90s.
That was the thing.
You know, and I think, yeah, we just need a nice pump, right?
Well, I think this has been pretty nice.
It's amazing the difference it makes.
Literally every time we have a good day
I always think about you, we had that one space
you go, yeah, you know, so I got a little extra
you know
it's a good day
I'm not going to say
I haven't gotten it back yet, it's been a while
but I think we're going to get there
I'll let you know
when the pep is back
but yeah to get there i'll let you know um when the pep is back but uh yeah no we're definitely like the
light wing foundation uh this with vm crew you know all these guys aztec rock um they're doing
great stuff for the community and it's bringing the right kind of attention back to light point
And it's bringing the right kind of attention back to Litecoin.
And yeah, it's just a question of, you know, the price following suit.
And, you know, with all these guys investing all this time and energy and marketing and whatnot, it's just a matter of time, I feel.
Because the tech is there, man.
The wallets are there.
MWeb's doing great mweb is continuing to like i think they have like 180 000 coins in them web now
okay 173 000 which. Which is great.
I mean, it's increasing.
Gradually.
Heyo, heyo.
Hey, what's up?
Thanks for having me up.
Appreciate you guys.
Thanks for coming.
How you doing?
Good. Great, actually. Because I'm eating some spaghetti bolognese right now
doesn't look much better than that i heard you but spaghetti bolognese
did you get your meat sauce in there yeah it's like all all three foods it's great
got the whole the whole whole food pyramid in there.
Right on.
I heard you might have something to shill today.
Oh, yeah.
I do have something to shill.
I almost forgot.
Holy moly.
Yeah.
We launched saddog.tech.
You got a new shot.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. You got a new shot?
Yeah, yeah.
Hello?
I think we lost your first one.
I think you must have a 3D printer now because I saw some of the stuff you've got is printed
with a 3D printer. have because I saw some of the stuff you've got is printed for three.
Let's see what we have.
Got some keychains.
Light coin accepted here. That's nice.
It's pretty chill.
I know.
Hey.
Hey, no, now I got you.
You hear me? Dude, this this happened the same thing happened last
week i came outside i think my wi-fi switched networks and i all sudden i could hear you guys
but you couldn't hear me so i had to make you co-host and come back here i'm thinking i'm like
talking to you and i'm like why the fuck isn't he listening to me stop ignoring me. But the space kept going, so I don't know if people got
knocked out.
But I was going to say, I don't know
what I was talking about before I left.
Did you hear me talk about the corporate treasuries
and stuff?
Maybe just for a second.
Well, I was going to say, what
Saylor did in those that was so
is showing this footprint
for is to bring companies on board. Like you said
is like Luxfolio
and MEI.
If they grow and
have any success, there will be smaller corporations
going, well, why would I go
buy Bitcoin when I can get
so many more Litecoin?
They become just like we all were.
I do think those things
will have a good long-term impact,
but it might cause some strife.
I think the treasuries could also cause
bad times, too, but
in the short term, it'll be very good.
Right. Yeah, it's just...
Look, it's still early days.
Oh, no problem, bro.
Well, let me just finish my thought here and then we can continue shielding your new thing.
Yeah, we're just, we're early days, man.
These light coin treasury companies, I would love to see them explode, obviously. And especially this Maypharma, if a pump in Lightpoint, like a
significant increase in the market cap of Lightpoint and the market cap of this company
happens. And, you know, instead of doing like the, you know, the sailor thing, they're able
to reinvest in their own company and their own R and D for cancer research.
I think that'd be amazing.
There's a reason why Charlie chose them to partner with. Right.
I think Charlie's a, is a man of great integrity and character. So yeah,
I'm optimistic. More optimistic than I've ever been for like,
yeah, I'm excited. More optimistic than I've ever been for like Yeah, I'm excited.
Even the LitVM guys, I feel like
they're getting kind of overshadowed.
I just love their energy and some of the
things they're talking about doing
too. I think there's so much
to come. And I think that's
the part that
if you look at the metrics,
if you look at the outside
of the trading world, if you look at the outside of the trading world,
if you look at the fundamentals of the community and everything,
it's been nothing but positive, you know, for.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, like when it's getting props all over the place,
like it's like when it's getting low. Right.
And it's, and it's a lot of people that are,
that are OGs in this space
coming back and be like, yeah, Lightcoin deserves a lot.
They're happy to give it to the coins.
Yeah, man.
Hey, Chief, what have you been up to, man?
You got your football idea all fleshed out, man?
Nothing but hangovers, bro. Nothing but hangovers, bro.
Nothing but hangovers.
Well, you know, yeah, you haven't won a playoff game.
And mistakes, bro.
I, I, I got drunk doing the stupid podcast, bro.
And on OBS, you, I don't have a, when I pressed record, I didn't see that I didn't press record.
So I got drunk for no reason.
Well, I mean, I guess I got drunk for no reason.
You didn't have to come tell us that.
The next day in the hangover, bro, was just fucking ridiculous.
I was like, what?
So what'd you do?
Did you watch one particular game?
Bro, I was drinking for like an hour and a half.
Wait, hold on.
You got another podcast, bro?
I was drinking for like an hour and a half.
I watched like three highlights of three different games.
And by the third, I was already at like my 12th beer.
And I was like, I'm going to call it a night.
And then I went to sleep.
And then right before I went to sleep and I went to check OBS the record button wasn't on yeah but you're streaming no no no I don't know
I'm not streaming I'm just doing like a small recording one hour session yeah it's just for For fun. You went to what's it called?
Battlefield?
No, I saw
my friends.
They're not my friends. My co-workers play it.
They were telling me. I was like, I'm okay.
Dude,
what do you mean you're okay?
I'm hoping for a light coin
to hit 180.
I'm really hoping.
You've been talking about that for a while.
Bro, I have – you were talking about the 90s earlier.
If it hits close to 180, I'm going to buy my dream car.
You know James Bond from 1996, GoldenEye?
Oh, I understand exactly which one you're talking about.
Which one?
The BMW, wasn't it?
Yeah.
The Z3.
Oh, the Z3.
Yeah.
So that's...
I'm going to get that.
That's my childhood dream car.
So I'm getting that.
At 180?
If it hits 155, bro, I'm going to fuck it.
180, I'm paying off debt.
Yeah.
No, I got...
Actually, 180 is earlier than I'm thinking.
I think we're going to have a nice run here.
I told my wife in the next eight weeks,
I think we're in a good spot.
If your debt is in fiat,
keep the debt.
It depends. There are instances. It depends.
There are instances.
It's not my house. I'm not paying my house up.
I'm paying high interest rates.
You just pay the debt if it's high enough.
Is the interest rate higher than the
potential gains for like one?
Well, it depends who you're listening to.
Probably, but that's not the point.
Bird in the hand, dude.
Fuck that.
You can't lose sight of that shit.
That's the part.
Party of what?
Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, dude.
In the bush, yeah.
Like, don't count your...
Don't just, like, turn something down, you know what I mean?
Just because you think you could always.
That's gambling mentality.
You never walk away if you're too much.
You could learn more.
You're that, you know, at a decent rate.
Yeah, but you can also buy back coins.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, sure.
You know what?
Like there's nothing wrong
with taking profit you know selling a bit buying yourself something nice you know for the reward
yourself pain and strike you've been through the last couple years yeah I would just like right and
this and this ecosystem I would look personally you know obviously everybody's got their own
situation I would rather leverage debt use the debt as my fiat, work a job, just pay off the debt, and then extras keep going into stacking.
Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I do.
Because my thing is I have the amount of fiat in an account, and I match that amount on a loan.
And then that allows you to build up credit, and you can then keep increasing credit lines
and then not using them whilst being 100% covered on all costs of the loan at any point.
And then you still have
a fiat job.
Everything there just kind of lines up.
Yeah, for sure, dude.
And not that I have a
payday loan, but if you've got a payday loan, go pay your
payday loan. 100%.
If you have a 30% interest rate,
go pay your 30% interest rate.
I hear what you're saying, but
you know, fuck.
Yo, yo, Seth Rock, do you play Battlefield?
Bro, this is a...
You wanna go fucking on Discord and start
finding 3-year-olds to play video games with?
What the fuck?
No, fuck that. I don't want girls to play
video games with, unless they're good.
I said girls? I said 8-year-old
kids.
8-year-old kids? Eight-year-old kids?
But look, if they're good, man, if they can
play Battlefield.
Who is it that mostly plays? What's the age
rate? A lot of high school kids, probably?
High school, college?
Battlefield, dude, it's like
a 24-year-old game, so there's a lot of
older guys
coming back. Oh, I thought it was new.
It's an old title.
It's a new game.
It's Battlefield 6.
I think I've heard it.
Yeah, the original Battlefield
came out in 2002
or something, I want to say.
Battlefield 1942.
I got my fire going. It took me a while. Battlefield 1942. All right.
I got my fire going.
It took me a while today.
The wood was a little wet.
If you know what I mean.
You know what I'm saying?
You don't play?
Is that what you're saying?
You don't even hear my jokes.
Come on.
Sometimes I feel like I hit a real home run.
You don't even act like I didn't even say it.
Is it something about working on your wood now?
Nah, never mind.
It's the moment's gone.
You used to be cool, animal.
I am cool.
Bro, my mom tells me that all the time.
You kidding me?
I know.
Is your mom too? Is your mom cool?
Is my mom cool?
You're a good mom?
Yeah.
Or is she super conservative and shit?
Is she a reward?
No, she's really not political
at all.
No, meaning is she just like, be careful?
Is she really mommy mom?
Or is she pretty contemporary? No, no, no. She's just like, be careful. Is she like really mommy mom? Or is she like pretty contemporary?
No, no, no, no.
She's not like that at all.
Bro, I can misfigure stem cells.
Oh, yeah, you were saying that.
No, she's into trying all this wacky health stuff.
That was my mom.
That's funny.
I told her about the whole statins thing thing and she was like really she goes you
know it's funny i just went on statins like a few weeks ago i didn't really think i needed them
and she's 77 she's on no medication at all right pretty healthy lady and And she said, I went in like a few months later and they had taken like something like her liver enzymes or something or kidneys, some measurement.
And she said, my liver enzymes went up like 600% in three months after I started taking this medicine.
And I said to the doctor, like, could that be correlated?
Do I really need these things?
You know, I was reading that it's maybe not really necessary, blah, blah, blah. And the doctor was like, yeah, you know what? You're probably right. Let's, let's take you off those. And so she stopped them and all the liver shit went right back to normal.
put that information out there. Tell your parents, question the doctors.
They really will just like go along with it. You know?
I heard it's really bad for your brain. Like it affects your memory.
I mean, yeah. Wouldn't you think Alzheimer's could have, I mean,
the timing seems similar.
I don't know. I don't know. But yeah,
there's definitely a bunch of stuff that could be doing.
Have you heard about these peptides, bro?
I've been looking at these things. They look fucking
interesting. Peptoids?
Oh, peptides.
Amino acids.
They're like proteins.
All kinds of cool stuff, man.
That's happening.
But your doctor will never tell you
about it
mostly because
you can't patent these things
so there's no way to be able to get to the big pharma
companies to control the market
those BPMs
they don't make that cut
why would they tell your doctors to do anything, right?
It's pretty sad.
It is really sad.
But I want to...
Yeah.
But what's cool is we have all this information out there, right?
So we have the internet, and we have these AI agents
that can help guide us, you know?
Okay.
Obviously, if you're on research,
and, like, these AI bots have huge disclaimers.
When you ask them about health-related questions, they're like, yeah, but you should check with your doctors.
Definitely, for most cases.
But, yeah, it's crazy.
There's a new chat at GBT that came out this week, which people are kind of poo-pooing.
I think that there's just so much hype around it people are just they're expecting more than what they're expecting
agi they were expecting like some kind of singularity to happen with chat gpt 5 oh right
and it just it didn't it didn't live up to it and on on top of it, I think they even removed the older models. So people are upset about that.
Oh, so they can't go back and compare.
Right.
Exactly.
Well, I don't know if they did it maliciously that way.
I think they just need the GPU power.
So they can't run both models.
They don't have the infrastructure for both models to be running.
It's just easier to migrate everyone to the new model.
I haven't played with it myself.
But I don't know, man.
People are getting kind of cynical these days, right?
If you remember, it was just two years ago where we had Chachi Bt 3.5,
and everyone's fucking you know
mind was blown yeah um and now we're just like you know we just spoiled kids and we're like yeah we
don't like it's not as good as you can see this one yeah just models no i used i used
or not chat gpt gemini and you know i would call gemini probably like talking to a
you know i would call gemini probably like talking to a
somebody just graduated high school as far as their intelligence level like they absorb
like a note well they absorb a lot of information but they don't always interpret it 100 accurately
but they can get the right type of information in front of you. And that if you're, you know, if you dig, you,
it'll come to you. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't have any logic. It doesn't have enough
experience in the world. And, uh, it's good at retrieving information that's, um,
relevant to what you're talking about. That might be the best way to put it. Um, but I had it walk me
through some troubleshooting on my computer and, uh, I had this car issue, the cooling fans weren't
working and I was trying to kind of troubleshoot that. And it's so nice to not have to search and
do so many things, you know, manually to be able to have that conversation and feel like
you're semi working this out by yourself, you know? And, uh, I guess people are underestimating
the value of that. Like, I just see that part of it just so cool. And there's so much upside
and I, the, the, I don't, I don't think the downside...
I always feel like people will have a healthy skepticism of
computers. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe not.
I don't know.
Yeah, I think the real danger is when there's
a bias, right, towards
certain topics.
And that's something that we have to...
That's, I think, where some models
will have
an opportunity to gain market share.
If the models, political or philosophical beliefs align with individuals, they might use it more than another one.
But I had a similar issue with my Jeep.
Actually, I was looking at getting bigger tires.
My tires are worn out, and
I'm like, should I get 35-inch tires?
Jesus Christ.
Yeah. Well, because I got 33-inch tires.
I got to see it. Can we see a picture of this thing?
Why don't you put a picture of the
beast.
Animal's beast.
33. I mean, Jesus Christ.
What's that up to your chest?
Like your abdomen?
No, no, it's like a knee height.
33 inches.
That's almost three feet.
That's almost a meter.
It's not that big.
Is that the circumference?
It's the diameter.
Right.
Three feet.
That's up to my hip.
I guess maybe it's, yeah, something at 22-inch rims.
I don't know.
What would that be?
22-inch rims are like, you know, the rapper's got.
Their profile's probably 24 total.
You're saying you're a whole, you know, nine inch, almost a foot beyond that.
A foot beyond normal tires.
Let's see if I can get you a nice picture.
I guess it's only six inches
on each direction.
I don't know.
That seems like a pretty big tire.
Yeah, I got one pretty.
Are you putting it in the nest?
No, I'm not. If you don't mind, I'm not putting it in the nest? No, I'm not.
If you don't mind, I'm not.
Oh, yeah.
No, that's nice.
I know in Canada, you can't reveal your anything about you.
They'll be like, that's that motherfucker.
Yeah, I don't want to.
If you guys want to see my G books, like, go for that.
But, yeah, I mean, whatever. So I was i was looking okay to finish my story but um
there's a facebook group right called the jeep hunters whatever and i was asking a bunch of
questions like you know is my model do i need to do any modifications and stuff and i realized
before i asked much like wait a minute there's this like, there's this, this group, this private group
on Facebook, with something like 2000 Jeepers is AI enabled. So I
click on a little AI enabled button. And there's a chat that
shows up. I'm like, Oh, fuck. Okay. I asked it, like, can I put
30 inch tires on a Jeep Sahara sahara 35 inch tires on a jeep sahara without doing a lift
and fucking a man the bot answered my question correctly wow i'm sourcing sourcing all this
information from the different posts yes i didn't have to search through the thing myself
and then it showed me the most relevant posts with pictures and shit and it's like dude and
what's probably crazy though, does your post,
like,
does your conversation end up,
you know,
that's private.
Well,
wouldn't it be interesting though,
if it said,
Hey,
do you mind if I post this on the,
you know,
anonymously on the board or something so that other users could go just
browse the board and go,
I actually had this exact same question,
you know,
but I guess,
yeah,
why do that?
God damn.
It is wild. I mean, yeah, like that god damn it is wild i mean yeah like
it's it's that was like a because prior to that i've been like i don't want ai in my
my facebook chats you know what i mean i'm talking to some friends in the facebook group chat and it's like you want to analyze this with ai i'm like i do that. If you think about it, dude, like this AI, this meta AI has like a really interesting perspective on,
and it's able to like even tell you about it, but perspective on like your friend group and like the hierarchies within it, right?
Like, it can tell when someone's being abusive to another person, for example, or behind their back.
So it knows all this shit what if
there's the Turing test
where can
can an AI get so good
that you don't
you can't tell the difference
between a human and the AI
right
what about the other way around
can we just get to an AI that's so good it can accurately detect and the AI, right? What about the other way around?
Can we just get to an AI that's so good it can accurately detect
when someone is a human
and not a bot?
And filter out bots.
How are we using AI?
A better AI?
Yeah, no good question.
Probably through
some other type of telemetry.
But they don't want to actually stop bots, by the way.
That would be bad for business.
Yeah, they just want better bots.
They want more bots.
They want more bots.
They want more believable bots so that advertisers keep buying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. to know you know when it's time to suggest that
you're like oh you've got a wedding this this this month have you thought about getting you
are you feeling down try miller light remember when you and your buddies used to drink miller
light together those were the fucking times it shows you pictures of when you've drank Miller Lite in the past.
Have you been drinking Miller Lite non-soft for six months?
Why don't you try some of those?
It's funny.
Yeah, it's a vicious item.
Hey, I wanted to ask you about
something because you're an American and might know more about it.
Yeah.
But apparently on Friday, you guys are having
this important meeting up in Alaska.
Okay.
Have you heard about this? No, no, I have not.
Shit. So
Trump and Putin are meeting
in Alaska to have, I guess,
peace talks to come to a
deal about the war in Ukraine.
Okay.
And I don't know,
man,
it seems to me like it could be a fucking disaster.
Like his truck has two kinds of meetings,
right?
He's got good meetings and bad meetings.
The good meetings will,
will take the,
the ones he's had with like AI chip companies,
right?
A bad meetings.
You just have to look at Zalinski and how that fucking happened.
The dumpster fired that first meeting.
That was like the first meeting.
I think it was like the worst.
That was some wild shit.
That was insane.
Wow.
But,
but it was also kind of exciting.
Yeah.
I don't like a lot.
well,
he gets eyeballs.
Dude, that was the craziest shit I've ever seen.
Well, I think Trump, I always think about this with Trump.
He is a marketer through and through, right?
He understands that what Putin wants is to look good.
to look good.
I think there's an understanding
between people in these positions
about
they both know
that it's a political game. Neither of them wants
to die.
Neither of them is a complete psychopath.
They have to flatter each other's egos.
Come to something that they can both look good on
and go back to their
people.
And,
you know,
yeah,
look like winners and,
and craft a message that sounds convincing and reassuring and patriotic
and all that shit.
And so I think that's,
what's made him such an interesting politician is like,
he's just the first one that correctly identified the media was the problem right and
that having the media as his enemy was his best has been fueled to his fire like from day one
that's the only reason he's around you know i'm saying and uh yeah so i think that's what's made
him so divisive is that the media just hates him and that just that's what's made him so divisive is that the media just hates him, and that's what's made him so unique.
But yeah, he understands how the game is played, which is what makes him a politician that comes out of nowhere and competes very closely in three presidential elections in a row, you know?
I mean, like, it's un-freaking real dude
I mean he's probably gotten more votes
for president than anybody
in the history of the country
easily
he's easily gotten more votes for president
right?
I mean there's got maybe
Clinton went three
no he ran for three times
so he's probably
twice as many votes as any other president,
presidential candidates ever gotten.
So there you go.
That's our guy.
He really, you know, so yes, this dude,
this dude's going to talk to Putin, and apparently Putin wants some territory.
He wants a gun mess and some economic deals.
See what happens, man.
Could it be, you know, optimistically?
Wouldn't it be funny if Trump has so much disdain for, like, Europe and Canada that he just decides to buy oil from Russia instead of Canada kind of thing.
I can see that happening.
He really wants to make Canada
the state, man.
We don't have a deal with you guys yet.
I know. Imagine if you stopped selling us oil.
You guys are really fucked.
Pot hash?
You guys need pot hash.
You have nothing that Russia doesn't have
right
maple syrup
maple syrup
why don't you see
maple syrup from other countries
I mean there's got to be maple trees in China
and Japan and Russia and all that
no there aren't
some in Canada
well the US has maple syrup
yeah but only northern US
are you being serious though
there's no maple trees anywhere else in the world
let me ask Google Gemini
that seems impossible
they gotta grow in Europe somewhere
let me ask Google Gemini so let's talk about google gemini because
while you're looking that up i posted just this afternoon i'm thinking about getting a new phone
and i'm really feeling like i want to get that google pixel dude just because of the google
yeah if you were to get one i would would recommend a Pixel. I don't know.
There's a Google Pixel 10 coming out.
I think the Pixel 9 is excellent.
Probably won't need to upgrade to the 10.
Probably save yourself a few hundred bucks.
Well, I might even get the foldable one.
It becomes like a Google foldable.
Dude, it looks sweet, dude.
It's like a little seven-inch square. No, no, no. Galaxy Google foldable? Dude, it looks sweet, dude. It's like a little 7-inch square.
That's a Samsung.
No, no, no.
Galaxy 9 foldable.
There's probably going to be a Galaxy 10.
Yeah, I mean,
Samsung's aren't terrible.
No, it's a Pixel.
I would stick to just a Google phone.
It's a Pixel.
There are foldable pixels.
Oh, yeah.
Does anybody in here have a foldable one i've never had one
oh with a pixel 9 pro fold yeah so i can get that for like 30 bucks a month right now
and i'm like shit that might be kind of worth it but then then the google does this thing today
where they're you know banning or talking about any sort of wallet might get banned from Google Play Store.
So I'm like, oh, man.
That turned out to be fake news.
Oh, did it really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Google commented on the post saying, like, no, we have no intention of doing that.
We're just talking about exchange wallets, custodial exchange.
Right. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I think I stopped.
Who's the guy that's
supposedly Satoshi
posted a...
He thinks it's like a trial balloon kind of thing.
What's his name?
Peter something?
You know what I'm talking about?
The one the documentary said was
Yeah
Peter Todd
Yeah he was saying oh it was probably just a trial
Which yeah
I say that a lot right
They always plant the seed before
They actually go through with the whole
thing. So yeah, I mean, that's, that, that'd be a great step. I would love if, if, uh, Elon with
his billions just started stamping out like cheap smartphones. If he started looking at, like, what's the thing where you can create the network of internet?
Mesh networks?
Make people truly decentralized and actually be like that,
like literally be willing to give away Starlink and everything
and just give it to the world?
Well, see, Alex, so the Google Pixel 9s, I think they have access to Starlink and everything and just give it to the world? Well, see,
the Google Pixel 9s, I think
they have access to Starlink.
Imagine if you could have devices that were
always kind of jailbroken
kind of thing, and there's a network
that isn't
able to be stopped like Starlink.
That opens up a world
of possibility.
You have no physical structure to
that barrier.
What's interesting about Starlink is that
the network itself requires constant maintenance.
It's not like fiber lines which are running the ground
that stay there literally.
That hardly degrade like these starlink satellites uh have like a five-year lifespan or
something where they're they're programmed or they're not programmed but like their
their orbit decays at a oh yeah the orbit orbit is meant for them or is designed for them to, like, fall into the atmosphere and burn up after a set amount of time.
You know, to reduce the amount of space debris and stuff, I guess.
So, yeah, if, like, if SpaceX stops launching rockets, if SpaceX goes under, Starlink does as well.
So that's something to consider but i mean for the moment it doesn't look like it's gonna happen right uh star looks very strong uh
and it's just getting stronger he released a new picture of the starship this thing is impressive
starship version 3?
I have to go down.
Javier invited me to go see him in the launch
in Texas.
Who voted? Javier?
Yeah.
You went, right?
No, I never went.
I never took a look on it.
I will at some point but uh because
it's like here's the thing I was thinking about going to go see one in
March or something but I didn't end up doing it and that launch failed oh you
were I want to see predictor I. I didn't predict, just...
Yeah. Just own it. Just take it.
Just take the dub.
Take the dub.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know I'd love to see a fucking
Starship launch.
Holy shit.
Yeah. I mean, that stuff makes me optimistic.
And, okay, this actually brings something up, because I wanted
to ask you this when we were talking about AI earlier um so tesla i think i mentioned this to you last week or a
since 2012 it's up like 1500x just an insane number and so i started thinking what's going
to be the next thing like what's going to be the next one that you put in 10 grand and you're like, you know, retired in eight years, you know? And I really think, you know, it is going to be
that arena. And I think it might be kind of fun to bring up, try to bring up every week an AI
thing, either like an article or it's a company you think might be really cool or they're working
on something. You go, that's fucking, you know, this is where money is going to be made you know because i really
think figuring out who's going to master you know making money being profitable
uh is it going to be the compute centers? They're like the exchanges of energy.
They can sell.
They're going to make consistent money.
Is it going to be someone who comes up with a really clever idea and finds a way to profit off AI that no one else thought about?
There's so many different things.
Where are people going to be willing to spend their money?
It might be kind of cool
it's kind of cool to come up with a here this company's doing this we just talk about it this
company's doing this it could be just off the wall it could be education it could be
you know mechanics it could be building homes who knows right so okay sorry go ahead
yeah i know i mean so just to, which company might be the next one?
I think there's a chance that Apple comes around.
Because they haven't released, they haven't done anything in AI yet.
And Apple's always had a track record of being last in a race up until the end of the race.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's a bunch of these Palm phones, a bunch of these other kind of phones that came out uh mp3 players for example and then
they came up with the ipod and they're like they're the number one mp3 player it's like a
giant leap forward you know they take all the things they look at the things the other ones did
right and wrong and they go let's let's perfect this thing and then knock out yeah ipod iphone ipad
three of the most revolutionary products in my life itunes you know like so the podcast bro like
where'd that come from that came from Apple.
Pod, you're right.
Pod.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, there's,
and they're glaringly lacking in this space.
I don't have Siri, but I've heard people
You probably just heard me last week.
I told my wife again.
I have so much frustration about this bad interaction with Siri. I'm like,
it's fucking ridiculous. And I'm about to change
a phone because I'm thinking,
how retarded is this company?
I can't even navigate
the phone with my voice? You're like
the techiest tech company.
What the fuck?
You can't figure out the most basic shit?
Typically
people don't even use it, and if they do use it, they just have an awful experience with it.
100%.
Okay, at any given time.
Here's the thing with it.
At any given time, you ask it a question you think is totally fucking normal.
Hey, Siri, what's 37 times 42?
It will legitimately sometimes just pull up a website to do math on you're like what the
fuck is this but that but it happens 10 of the time so 90 of the time it just does the math and
gives you the answer great and then other times it's so off the wall you're like what how is how
did you get here dude you think this is what i wanted and it's just it's just irritating because google
like i say google gemini man that conversational piece of that knocks i mean it makes siri look
stupid because gemini you can just talk and have a natural conversation and siri you can't even ask
it the most basic shit it's like i can't i don't have a way of doing that i don't know how to perform that function you're like i'm asking have you tried grok's uh chat function no i haven't
is it good that's it's fun man that's i i around with that one it's just uh it's really good first
of all um and it is it's just funny you can ask it to have all these different
personas um you can have it talk to like uh like a scotman or something right he'll speak to you
like a scotman it's just it's so he's mad is he mad at google right now or he's mad at apple
apple right uh he's mad at apple yeah he's what is Apple. He's suing them for
putting their thumb on the scale
in terms of promoting X.
It makes me wonder
are these other companies
more likely to throttle Grok,
make integration more difficult
for him.
Because of his political sense?
Well, just because he's a competitor
you know where if you could get like that makes me wonder that's where that's where i go back to
like owning the hardware i think is an important piece of this conversation like you are the toll
you you know if there's three companies that own all the compute power in the u.s you're paying
the toll man there's price fixing whether you like it or not, you know,
Matt margins. And so that's like a guaranteed win. You might not,
you might not hit a 10,000 X, but you want for sure money.
It's the people building these data centers.
Don't you think? Yeah. So all I have to say is,
I think Apple might be a dark horse.
All right.
Well, they'd be a flyer.
I think I would look at them at higher risk, higher reward.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jose's got a... Oh, sorry.
You're a co-host?
Yeah, no.
I let him up.
Oh, okay.
Thanks, guys.
Hey, how's it going?
Doing good.
I was going to ask, does Siri now use Apple Intelligence?
Don't they have that integrated now on iOS devices?
I mean, if they did there, I know there was an update last night I missed. but no, dude, I'm telling you, I don't even know what Apple intelligence is.
I think it's like their AI integration or something like that for Apple devices.
I disable all that stuff, but I don't know.
No, I don't have any. I have no. I have nothing like that.
I know there's a special neural chip
in there.
Am I actually using it for anything?
I don't know.
I haven't heard anything.
Yeah.
Apple is the most intelligent.
Okay, hold on a second.
What the fuck?
Wait, did it
just come out?
Oh, no. It came out in May. Hang on.
No. Not at all, dude. No.
I think what it is, like, I have noticed
some of the things, like, searching
websites, like, it's a little more
predictive of what I'm looking
for. It kind of knows what I've been interested in kind of thing.
But you know what?
Let me...
What the fuck, man?
Do I not have it on my phone?
I have a new enough phone.
It looks like I should have gotten some announcement
or a change.
Maybe it's the software update I just missed.
I have no idea. When did you get your phone?
A few years ago.
Oh, then it might not be integrated.
It says the 13.
It says...
I have an iPhone 13.
Actually, it's funny.
I'm just talking about getting a new phone.
Apple Intelligence.
Yeah, good question. I don't know if it came with the with
the software update um or if it was uh you know based on the device because uh like what you were
saying animal i don't know if like the devices need to have some sort of like chip to process that
okay so on device it's relying on a combination
of on-device server processing.
I mean, it says in here a 13 should be on there,
but anyway, it says Apple Intelligence
provides tools to help your writing,
adjusting tone,
so maybe when you're sending an email
or something, Siri's smarter,
enhanced language understanding,
on-screen awareness,
ability to understand your context, image generation,
private cloud computing,
work with the different apps.
But no, that to me isn't, I mean, it's maybe a little better
experience, but I'm just going to say, not what I
had in mind, not what I'm thinking.
And I think it relies on chat GPT for a bunch of stuff. Yes, it does, actually what I'm thinking. And I think,
I think it relies on chat GPT for a bunch of stuff. Yes,
it does.
Actually,
I'm looking at right now.
So it's like,
you have to say like,
Hey Siri,
ask chat GPT.
That's how I'll do it.
So you have,
so you have chat GPTs,
you know,
they're going to have the guaranteed money from Apple,
but can Apple monetize it better?
I mean, Apple is, look, man, they're great at monetizing.
That's what makes them.
So you might be right.
They might be the ones that they're the salespeople that make the 50% commission
and the hardware guys just churn out a commodity kind of thing.
As far as I understand at this point,
like you can't ask
Siri to update your calendar
or anything like that.
With the example I told you about last week of how
I had Gemini create
a kettlebell workout plan for me.
Oh yeah. Not do
Siri? You would
be like, what the fuck is this for?
Why do I need this?
It's literally basic shit like call so
and so you know turn the volume up open uh send an email to this guy you know it'll say what's
the subject you know walks you through but that's it or you know open up youtube music and and play
this song could do something like that.
Right.
Yeah, absolutely.
Have some agency over your device. But there's no...
I mean, and I have an old one, so it could be getting better.
But, I mean, just...
The fact that Google Gemini's app is better than Siri's built-in features...
Bad.
That's bad.
Yeah.
No, and on a Pixel device, Gemini is...
It works. And it works
pretty, pretty well. Do you get like
free premium or something for
a year maybe or something when you buy one?
I don't know.
Let me
see. I get hooked on that
shit.
Do you get it?
Unlock Google
AI Pro at no cost use for charge productivity.
Oh yeah, so you have, yeah, you do have it for,
Oh, you're selling me on it, dude.
So with Gemini and then there's Google AI Pro.
So there's two tiers one of them comes
free and the other one the pro the ai pro is expensive but you get a free trial
and that's after the trial is 20 or 27 canadian
oh man that's money dude jesus that's the whole experience and that's money, dude. Jesus.
That's the whole experience. And that's what I realized is I'm like, I don't even want to
use my phone like I used
to use it.
I don't want to type anymore.
I don't want to open an app,
type in a search, click on
a link, go to the website,
do the research, keep
opening the browser back and forth.
Like AI is, that's going to be how we interact with it.
So I want the phone to get the best.
You know what you might like, actually?
You know what you might like?
Those meta-ray bags.
Oh, oh, I'm not that.
I'm not that integrated.
I mean, those meta-ray bags.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, you put them on your face and then you feel like, hey, Amanda, what am I looking at?
And then a little voice will tell you.
It's like, oh, you're looking at a toilet.
A toilet.
A toilet invented in 1842
by Thomas Crapper.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a collar model exactly made out of oh you're looking at fancy japanese
they're famed for having 99 ceramic most ceramic today is 78 ceramic 22 potash
yeah you might like that i'm kind of tempted i just i don't think those frames suit my face
so i don't have to wait no well so i went to the eye doctor maybe like four or five weeks ago
and i've been wearing how did i tell you this i'm wearing my old glasses have i told you this at all
this maybe it must not have been impactful to you but uh i had like my newer ones were getting where when I say newer they were like
two years old or like if I'm on my phone it was getting a little too like hard to see I couldn't
focus like the prescription was too strong for me and so I started wearing my older glasses where
my distance wasn't you know I call I put 90%, but I could still read with these glasses
on. And so I hadn't gone to the doctor. I doctored for a while. So I went and, you know, he did the
test and everything. And I was like, honestly, I would rather just, I just want to see up close.
I don't want to have to have bifocals or whatever contact one eye kind of thing. Can I just get my
old prescription? Yeah, I think I told you this. Because I was worried that
they were going to basically tell me
I had to get my real
prescription.
I couldn't get
the bad one that I'd want.
The imperfect one.
But they did. They came around.
Actually, they called me back. They said, we have no problem.
We'll write you that prescription.
Which was kind of nice.
Oh, cool.
It might depend on what your prescription is, I guess.
I don't know.
That's interesting.
So you're wearing your own glasses?
Or you've got new glasses with your own prescription?
Yeah. And so what ended up happening is that I went on vacation, and I forgot my prescription sunglasses.
And I'm like well
why do I even need those you know my vision's pretty good without it and I have for the most
part don't wear my glasses anymore isn't that weird I'll say I'm that's gonna go better well
I got to the point where I realized like the glasses the benefit wasn't there for me. The only time it really
makes sense, particularly is like driving at night. That's the real time when I need it.
But other than that, I really don't need them. They're like, uh, I don't know. I use them once
in a while kind of thing. So what I'm saying is I'm maybe thinking about getting out of the
glasses altogether. I don't want to wear those Ray-Bans.
I look like Clark Kent, you know?
Super Litecoin.
That's what I should want.
Litecoin Superman.
Why am I not Litecoin Superman?
That'd be easy.
I can't believe there's not a Litecoin Superman already.
Somebody should make that page.
Somebody's about to launch a meme coin.
I'm surprised
there hasn't been. I mean, there's probably been a super coin,
but there's Superman.
I feel like I've seen Charlie
in a Superman outfit.
Even before, I feel like I've seen it.
Have you seen? I didn't get to see the most recent Superman movie.
Did you see it?
Fuck, I wish I did, though.
Dude, when I was a kid, I loved Superman.
I loved Superman.
Those movies back in the day were fucking awesome.
And I still watch them today.
And that music comes on.
And I'm like, fuck yeah, Superman.
But the movies after 2000 have all been disappointing.
There's no excitement here.
Yeah, apparently this one was good.
I didn't see it.
And the reason is because I like to watch movies in D-Box.
I don't know what that is.
In what?
D-Box? No, I have no idea.
Maybe it's a
kind of only thing. I don't think so, but
it's when the seats shake. It's kind of like what they have
at Universal Studios.
Oh, really?
When I go
see movies, I like to see them in D-Box if I can.
Yeah, I can imagine. That's cool.
Or at least in a laser IMAX type of shit. If you're going to go out and see movies, I like to see them in D-Box if I can. Yeah, I can imagine. That's cool. Or at least in the laser IMAX type of shit.
Yeah, because if you're going to go out and see something, I'll get the...
I saw Dune 2 with the shaking seats, and it was amazing.
And recently, I saw fucking...
Instead of Superman, I saw F1.
Oh, was that sweet?
Dune was epic.
I didn't even know they had those theaters.
Yeah, yeah.
We got one here in Montreal.
It's called D, like the letter D box, B-O-X.
Yeah.
D dash box, yeah.
This is some Canadian troll.
No, it's a real thing.
But yeah, the problem is there's only like one,
like at the theater, there's one D-Box screening room
and the movies rotate pretty quickly.
So like you have like two weeks max to be able to watch.
I just don't go to movies anymore.
Oh, shit. Hang on a second.
I'm confused.
So, would it be like a Cinemark or AMC or something like that?
Yeah, we have them at Paramount or Cineflex Odeon.
I don't know if you have Cineflex.
Oh, it looks like maybe they do.
Oh, my gosh.
I can't believe it.
I've never, maybe once in a minute, i think i saw a 3d movie when they first
started doing them i never went back i was like i don't need that yeah yeah i'd rather not do the
3d as well i mean uh but the dbox is fun like it's it's cool because there's this whole um
aspect of sound engineering or like d box engineering where they they create a track right for the chairs around and in doing to is fucking epic and it was like
it was so well done it was I thought my chair was broken for like the first part
of the movie and not to spoil it for you or anything although you probably
probably never see it so at least no'll forget. Honestly, I started watching
the first one, and I think
about halfway through, I dropped off. I want to
go back and watch Dune, but it's one of those
that I want to give it its proper
time, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
You can't watch it casually.
You got to relax.
You want to smoke a joint or whatever.
Well, I'll be able to catch the dialogues.
It's very quiet.
And like,
and I think be there with adults and no distractions and shit.
You know,
that's,
that's hard to get.
yeah,
it's,
it's rare.
You get a night like that.
We're like,
wow,
kids are doing this and that.
I got the TV to myself.
Like,
I'm going to go make some popcorn and watch this dune and actually pay
the fuck attention, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, it looks like I do have one in town
just so you know. Sorry.
Okay, cool. What's playing on that?
Let me find out. That's what I was trying to, that's what
I couldn't figure out because it brought up this theater
near me and I was like,
I said,
I was like trying to figure out how to know what
movie is in what theater.
So it's probably, ah, shit.
I don't know right now.
Standard format, standard format.
Jesus Christ.
I don't know.
I'm navigating.
Here, I'm walking through myself.
Searching the internet like I was making fun of you earlier.
Is that the XD?
Is that what that is?
I guess I didn't even know.
Never mind.
We've had this for a while.
Is that Cinemark XD?
Am I just an idiot?
I just assumed that was like an IMAX I
don't go to the movies very often you can't tell somebody come up here and
explain to me that I'm an idiot
but yeah so there's a there's you know dbox movies they have a limited run
so you have to you have to catch them all they're hot right hold on i'm doing some i'm doing some
digging okay it says enhanced audio
oh the xd okay xd is both It says enhanced audio.
Oh, the XD.
Okay, XD is both.
Jesus, man.
I'm going to figure this out.
Because I want to go see which one's in XD.
What is XD?
That's the D-Box you're talking about.
Jesus Christ, you understand what I'm saying?
I don't think it's that.
This Jurassic Park must be good.
Yeah, so the XD and the D-Box are different.
XD is like a bigger screen with...
It's a different type of...
What's it called?
Like film.
Like projector.
And then you have the D-Box,
which is kind of like...
It's supposed to mimic almost like a 4D experience
where the seat moves and stuff like that.
Do they do wind and stuff like that too?
With what? Do they do wind and stuff like that too? With what? Do they do wind
and stuff like that in the D-Box?
Some of them do
wind, but nothing
more than that.
It'd be cool if they could do humidity
and smell and that type of thing.
That'd be a big thing.
Oh man, there's this Matrix experience.
You guys remember this? know yeah so these guys
are where's the matrix but basically they're playing the movie the matrix and you're in this
this dome kind of like the Vegas dome probably a lot smaller okay so you'll have the screen in the middle, the 16 by 9 screen, or whatever the full HD screen is.
And beyond it, it's like they're just adding all this shit, like adding to the scene, expanding the scene.
What's it called, the Matrix experience?
That's cool, dude.
No, the...
So this D-Box is intriguing.
I know that was always like a futuristic thing,
but yeah, why can't they do that?
I'd go see a movie every time
if it was going to be a
4D experience.
Well, I say that,
but maybe I wouldn't.
Obviously I wouldn't
because it would already be here
if it made monetary sense
there's so much cool stuff
we're white pilling today
because there's so much cool shit in the world
there's that sphere out in Vegas
I want to get out to that too
I haven't seen any cool concerts out of there
there's just so much cool shit, man.
It's called the Shared Reality of
Jackson.
The what? The what? The what?
Shared Reality?
Yeah, look it up.
Look up The Matrix in Shared Reality.
Look it up. Put it in the nest, my guy. No, I got it. Look up the Matrix in Shared Reality. Look it up.
Put it in the nest, my guy.
No, I got it. I'm just joking.
Matrix
Stark Reality.
Okay.
At first, I thought you were saying
shark. I was like, a shark reality?
Hang on.
All I got was about the quotes.
Where is it? In Canada?
Yeah, I put it up in the...
Oh, did you? Okay.
What did you see?
Did you?
I don't see nothing.
We back, baby.
We back.
Let's go.
I had deer right back.
One of the things I might, if I change to a Google, I can't do this anymore.
No, you just gotta give it an actual air horn.
You lose sound.
You don't have sound effects, do you, Animal?
I do not. Did you say if you change to a google
a google phone yeah we were talking about a pixel i'm thinking about it i like google's
interface a lot man and apple's just really to me is i already know there's more i could be done
i could be doing with my phone so much more easily
than i am today yeah i mean just the fact is gemini on the google ones or is that samsung
or all that's both they all use it because it's okay yeah just just having i feel like just having
gemini on your uh on your phone it will be game-changing like that's I'm considering just
for Gemini yeah you could see yourself being like back in the day when people used to put those
bluetooth headsets everyone would laugh at them those guys were just early adopters you know
right that's the same thing with like being literally hooked into your phone constantly
where you never even have to look at it you just talk to it. Yeah. Put it in your pocket.
Walk around.
You're not surfing the web.
Like you could get work done.
Dude, that's what I – so Big Chief and Really Shady Dev, when I hang out with them,
they're literally just having conversations with AI.
And sometimes it's annoying.
because I'll go in and I'll just be like, I want to hang out.
Because I'll go in and I'll just be like, I want to hang out.
And, you know, what would normally be a silent moment is just filled with so well wanted.
Yeah, you can't talk to each other.
That's the analogy.
Yeah, and it's, you know, there's definitely going to be more disconnect,
but it's also pretty cool because the stuff that they can do.
I mean, especially, you know're if you're a disabled person this is the best time in the world to be a disabled person
like physically physically i apologize
yeah because like physically disabled i mean mean, right now, dude.
Like, if you can't type on a keyboard,
you get a computer set up with an AI,
and boom, you're just as accessible
than anyone else, if not more.
You're right.
You could have avatars and shit.
You can use it more.
Yep.
You can have AI waifu.i. white food yo just pretty sweet you know
um yeah the whole ai thing as well it's gonna just it's gonna revolutionize medicine and make
you know they're saying that like in 10 years they'll cure cancer and like help people regain
mobility if they're paralyzed right all this crazy
shit yeah it's talking about uh parents and being like you know you guys are gonna live to 130
i'm gonna have to be taking care of you guys when i'm 80. yeah i mean like nano i mean like yeah you
think about like nanobots and like you talk about like people who have been in pain and you could have this surgeries and
pain relief can be micro dosed constantly you know like there can be so much done when you
start talking about the ability to communicate everything between you know all sorts of
computer communicating it's just makes everything so efficient do you think it'll ever solve
how do i word this human do you think it'll ever solve the human
nature of people trying to be better than other people because i feel like that's what the economy
is is is kind of based off of right and so that's why you have losers and losers yeah yeah yeah
uh you're talking this is like i think it will shit right here that's. I think it will. I think it will.
I love this.
You know what, dude?
At some point...
When everybody can have everything,
everything isn't special.
When you're no longer
the most intelligent thing in the room,
what qualities
will people value in you?
If you can't bring them anything
that the AI can't do or bring you to this point?
Right.
And just because we have longer lifespans, right, does that mean I'm going to be fucking working at 90?
Hmm.
That's another bigger question.
Yeah, you have to have an altruistic person.
But there's always got to be, like, okay, like you were talking about Starlink earlier, there's always got to be a
reason why somebody wants to do the
thing that maintains
the system, you know?
But man, maybe
people would do that voluntarily if they knew
it was just, like, for the good of the
for the good of the
culture kind of thing.
I think altruism is
genetic.
I don't think everybody has it.
I wouldn't argue that.
I think it's a nature and nurture thing.
No, I agree.
I hate to say it,
my family's never been a super giving
family.
Not like bad, but we tip
well and everything. We're not given to charities.
We don't go on walks and do food drives and that type of shit. And I definitely feel like I wish
I was, and I don't know if it is just in my, yeah, I don't know if it's, I was born that way
or if it's that I just never was brought up in that world. So it's not like, well, no,
it's more, I'm not inclined. Like I don't notice it as an opportunity because I wasn't brought up even seeing it as something that was done.
But trying to be like, we were talking about this a few weeks ago when I was talking about trying to sell these clothes on Facebook.
Remember my kids clothes and the lady wanted all of them.
I was like, I don't know, a couple hundred bucks.
I didn't really know.
And then after that conversation, I messaged her and I said, Hey, you know what? Actually just come here. You get
whatever you want and give me whatever you can afford. Like, I don't really care. Honestly,
like if you give me nothing cool, but just give me what, what you think is fair. And then you can
have whatever you want. And I thought that's the best way to do it. And she didn't even fucking respond i was like man i was really hoping she was going to show
up she had like five kids or something and she needed to clothe all of them because she would
have been happy as shit and we would have had a good good interaction but then it didn't happen
so i guess it it made me think about it yeah I tried. No. And that's, that's, that's where I think I got to,
got to just notice the opportunities more often, you know?
Yeah.
And then the opposite of that too, where it's like, you know,
you give out things for free sometimes and people, you know, expect that.
Right.
It's like, yeah.
Oh, that's all.
I don't know if that's you know how that
plays into it but you know an example I have is is my co-worker he's he's he's
getting married and I've got my 3d printer and he's like hey can you do a
can you do a wedding gift for me and make me wedding toppers of my dogs and i'm like ah maybe i can yeah but i half know you
and it's a lot of work and you're expecting it from me so at that point it's a business and i'm
i'm not even designing it my my girls designed it. So now I'm outsourcing this shit.
So from there, it's like, okay,
I got to have that conversation.
It's like, just like you said with them,
it's like, give me what you can.
Just make her feel loved and valued
for the work she's put in for that.
And the tone shifted.
It's like, well, and I'm not asking,
this isn't crazy work.
This isn't a crazy amount of money that, you know, I literally,
whatever you can give and that just turned them off.
And it's like, well, you know, what, what gives?
Yeah. You learn something. You learn something.
I just posted a song in the nest from the ride out Chili Peppers
that is
give it away right
I can't see the nest either
well maybe it's not the nest
in the comments
what do you mean you don't know how to do the nest
it's the
it's the latest dance
how do you not know
there's a thing there that you leave. Bottom right.
Share.
Click it.
Share to space.
I don't even know.
I gotta admit.
There's no possible way you don't know what the nest is.
Oh, really?
You've shared stuff in the nest before.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Wait a minute.
Holy shit.
You're right.
Sad frog.
How could he be this stupid?
Shut up. Shut up. Guys. He How could he be this stupid? Shut up.
He's the sober one.
How is this?
Yo, fun fact.
I'm sober.
Let's go.
Crazy, right?
Just like currently?
Are you like Mitch Hedberg?
I used to do drugs.
I still do drugs, but I used to do them too.
I used to do them too.
I'm on like day four of a tolerance break.
And that's like one of the longest fucking tolerance breaks I've had in a long time.
Like years, bro.
How are you feeling?
I'm feeling, uh, feeling clear.
I'm feeling like, you you know it's whatever so how when you say a tolerance break so how when's the last time more water
when's the last time you smoking weed i'll drink water that's cool when's the last time you had
a tolerance break oh like out of choice and not out of just not having weed.
Oh, no.
Either way.
When's the last, when's the last time before this break that you did not smoke weed on
a day?
You're saying you smoked every single day for years and years.
Yeah.
I would say yes.
You know, save for maybe like, you know, going out like a day with my grandparents and, you
know.
Okay.
Um, and don't worry, I'm not judging you.'m just yeah no it's not like i'm damn near impressed with it
uh but you know years dude i mean i've been smoking since i was 13. um oh pretty regularly
and yeah so i think the last break was probably two years ago no it was before i moved to rochester
so okay let me ask you because i i like i said i grew up we drank in high school a little bit
in college i tried pot a few times but i was always pretty happy just drinking i didn't yeah
i never had a good experience with it and then for whatever reason like maybe maybe it might be like eight years ago
you know weed was available more because states started legalizing it so everyone had gummies
all the time and stuff and i had a couple i did some mushroom trips and some gummies and I was like, okay, this
is fucking fun.
And, uh, so I've been doing gummies more and more.
It's become a much more regular in my day, but I wouldn't call myself somebody who's
like a regular user, right?
I'm a cat.
I'm still a social casual user.
What is like when you call yourself a pothead?
Does that mean you, cause I've never smoked.
I've smoked. I wouldn't call yourself a pothead? Does that mean you, cause I've never smoked. I've smoked.
I wouldn't call myself a pothead.
I would call myself cause I smoke,
I smoke in the morning.
I smoke at night.
Yeah.
That's what I'm asking.
What's the schedule?
Like you get,
when you say smoke,
you just smoke at night.
Well,
I would,
I would smoke in the morning,
smoke and then smoke at night.
And then,
you know,
other people have it,
you know,
I'm on a construction site.
People got dab pens and shit.
People be smoking. I'll smoke with them. them right but it's the culture um but you know it's more
i would consider me a daily user in the same way that people who take adhd medication are daily users of their adhd medication i truly think that if i
didn't start smoking weed at 13 i would be on other chemicals you know prescribed okay so so
you're when i so that's what i'm trying to ask you so when you wake up and smoke what's that look
like is it like a a one hitter is it No, it's like four or five bog rips, dude.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, because your tolerance is high.
Yeah.
So it's a substantial amount.
It's a fucking event.
Yeah.
When you leave the room, it is filled with smoke.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
But I don't smoke blunts or anything like that.
So it's like pure pure smoke too um okay so that's like your coffee in the morning do you drink coffee
yeah i drink coffee yeah so i i the reason why you know i'm i've i usually have three chemicals
i got caffeine nicotine and thc well hold on hold on. I'm going to ask this because I'm not, I'm not, I'm curious. I'm genuinely curious. So if you don't have those, what is it that you feel like?
Is it the same as missing a cup of coffee? Is it like a headache? No, coffee is, coffee,
coffee, coffee, coffee is actually has physical withdrawals. If you don't have coffee, like your
pressure in your brain actually increases your blood
will just be like yeah there's actual physical reactions um the if you miss your weave there's
not really physical reactions um it's more comfort and your brain kind of declogging because what's happening with THC is your synapses are
getting Kind of calcified in a way like there's a the THC is like a sap that kind of dulls your synapses
Okay, and slows literally slows down electrical conductivity in your brain
And that can be a good thing if you're an overthinker so that it's a good thing for me because i i got fucking you know 10 thoughts in a single line and that uh you know smoking weed
will help me just you know bring it down to one thought at a time or split up my lines so i can
actually organize them um but you know and it's not debilitating when I don't have weed.
And it's not, you know, it would be debilitating if I didn't have coffee because I would have to go to the store and get some caffeine.
And like to especially like on a construction site where, you know, I'm in the sun and I'm got like active moving stress.
Yeah, caffeine.
I'm not giving that one up in my current situation because it would
probably cost me
my fucking job because I'd rage out.
But we
definitely
it helps me deal
with
I don't even know if it helps me just,
I liked it really.
I'll be,
I'll be,
we've been watching as a family.
I don't know why we started watching this recently.
That old show intervention,
you know,
where they track drug addicts and they have an actual intervention at the
end.
Yup.
And it's,
there's been a few of them where it's like,
back in the day when I watched it, I wouldn't have seen it the same way.
And I watch it now where someone said what you said.
He's like, you know, I was just going all the time.
I didn't have any prescription drugs.
Like my mind was racing all the time.
I wasn't doing good in school.
I couldn't sit still, blah, blah, blah.
And he's like, this was a thing that like made me feel normal. And I never thought about like, you know what,
there are, again, if we're gonna talk about like there's spectrums, right? Uh, there are obviously
going to be people who are hyperactive and yeah, you, I think when you get older and you have kids,
you start to have a lot of empathy for kids, a lot more than you did before you had kids like wow
what's that kid going through and you realize like what would you do as a parent if your kid
was being treated like this and they had no control over it would you support the kid would
you let me give you from your house because you think put yourself in your shoes yeah when I was
13 I uh I I smoked weed right yeah and i i and i did it really i did i
didn't do it like an idiot i didn't get peer pressured into smoking weed like i discovered
weed i did about two months two months you discovered weed i i mean i did i did i did
because like you don't think about when you're a kid you go from having no idea that you know you
know just drugs are bad that's all you know no idea that you know you know just drugs are bad
that's all you know drugs are bad you don't know what drugs are what they look like and then you
know you find out that you know one of your homies smoked it or saw it or or something like that and
you know his sister gave it to him and and he tried it and it was pretty good and it's not like
and then you do research and you realize oh the world is lying to me about this stuff.
Like drugs aren't just bad.
They're just chemicals and they have reactions to them.
And you got to educate yourself on them.
So I really educated myself on weed for like a lot before I even touched the stuff, before I even looked at it.
And then I went to buy it.
First time I bought it, I'm 12 at this point when I'm trying to buy it first time i bought it i'm i'm 12
at this point when i'm trying to buy it um i got oregano i got old oregano and my dad like i wish
this were had been validated on the blockchain you're like i wish this this had been validated
on the blockchain yeah i got fraudulent weeds yes and and what's funny about that is my buddy
weed yes and and what's funny about that is my buddy who's um my buddy told his mom his mom knew
my dad and you know little i know they're fucking potheads and degenerates as well like as adults
and shit and so they call my dad and they're like hey uh uh i heard robbie got some uh marijuana on
the bus today you might want to go check it out because uh uh buddy here's saying that he might it might be oregano you probably shouldn't smoke it
so my dad sits me down he's like so uh i'm not gonna be mad at you but you get you buy weed
i'm like yeah he's like let me see it and you know he shows me he's like this is oregano you're an
idiot like oh you know fast forward a couple months i end up smoking real
weed right doing my own thing and uh i sit down on the couch and i'm like hey parents i want to
have a talk with you guys um you know i just wanted to inform you that you know i smoked i
smoked marijuana and i just wanted to be transparent grounded six months
be transparent grounded six months so i was six months yeah so that made me lose all for a long
time i had no trust in my parents um because in my brain i educated myself i made an educated
decision and then i also included them in it and you know they could have dealt with it a lot differently um and so that
really at especially at that age where you're um stubborn the most stubborn in the world
um you know i retaliated completely absolutely you could not control me and and i was a straight
a student running and i kept my grades up. I ran track.
I was number three in the state at one point for the four by eight.
Kept that up.
But I would just not fucking come home.
And I just wouldn't come home.
And I would sell after track.
I would just sell weed and I would just make money.
Then I'd have a second job and then I'd stay at other people's places or I'd come home at like 11.
And, you know, parents are they'd say stuff. like what are you gonna do you're not gonna stop me
i'm a freaking kid that's that like lives in town with other people go to like the you know and all
i could do is just like ensure them like listen i you raised, you raised me, you guys raised me.
If you think I'm going to be a bad person and do stupid things, that's on y'all.
But I'm going to be here and I promise you I won't be.
Yeah.
Like I'm going to smoke some weed, but I've educated myself.
You won't see me on the corner smoking crack.
You won't see me in the corner with a needle in my arm.
I can guarantee you that.
And so that's just kind of like how I went through my teenage years, just kind of like being a gray area, a gray area.
What's the word I'm looking for? Not delinquent, but just, just didn't respect authority.
No good Nick. No good Nick. Yeah. Degenerate, I guess. It's gray area degenerate.
good nick yeah degenerate i guess it's great degenerate uh yeah a scofflaw yeah but so that's
that's how it started and uh you know then you get and throughout that i definitely had
the ups and downs of uh you know different people different chemicals. Experimenting shit. Cutting off friends because
seeing how my life could spiral
down and end up on a corner.
So I've gone through those
whole
ebbs and flows.
But at the end of the day,
I got through that shit.
I fucking cut off the people I had to cut off.
Brought up the people that I needed to bring up.
And, yeah, at the end of the day, I think weed is just a tool.
And just like anything, you can overdo it.
And I think lately I've been overdoing it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, the reason I was asking is because I was curious about the habit
because, yeah, I guess if you're not getting like, I mean,
you're probably getting a little buzz on, there's no doubt you're going to buzz
on, but at this point there's some sort of like, uh,
anxiety producing event that probably happens if you don't have it.
Like if you didn't have it, it would be,
it would be weighing on your mind a lot like a cigarette. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. But I've been actually using, using um cigarettes to help that a little bit i smoke like right just a little
bit i wouldn't do them both at the same time i mean what you're describing to me oh man it's
weird because i've never smoked a cigarette actually um and weed is not it's not weak like it has a very real impact like i haven't used it with
any regularity like i would say my tolerance is probably is pretty low like i notice when i'm on
it yeah see that's how even the smallest amount even i think the last time i actually drank and got drunk was with you guys
oh no shit yeah yeah so and so i equated to that so i so like if you were like yeah i get up and
have two beers in the morning i'd be like that's a little weird that's all i would say i mean it
doesn't mean you're getting drunk your tolerance is up right right so you're going that's two beers
like dude i'm fine.
And then, well, and if a guy has a couple on the job site, yeah, I'll drink them throughout the day.
And then when I get home, I'm going to add you more beers.
I'd be like, well, dude, you've had eight beers by like 5 p.m.
I'd be like, that's a little more, you know, and that's how people rip through like an 18 pack a day.
Right.
And if you were doing that, that's when i would go yeah
you got a problem obviously and so i think if you look at it in terms of if we're trying to balance
like weed equaling x amount of drinks of alcohol yeah if you were smoking throughout the day in
the morning and in the evening and then were you getting high at night like after dinner would you keep smoking like hard dude i would i would wake up my my habit was you know i wake up smoke my bomb get ready
brush my teeth go to work and then i'd come back from work and i would smoke and then i would eat
dinner and then i would get on the phone and people would call me because I've got a bunch of stoner friends
all over the world, and we'd call them cheers.
They'd call me, and we'd have a cheers and a smoke,
and sometimes I'd have three friends calling me in a night,
so I've got three different sessions.
Yeah.
It's like a fucking half ounce a week-ish.
I don't know. How much THC is in a half ounce a week-ish. I don't know.
How much THC is in a half ounce?
It's not about the...
I don't really care about the THC.
Call me crazy.
I think that there's other...
The other chemicals dictate...
I'm trying to get an understanding of what that means.
So a joint... Think about your that means. So a joint is
something about your average joint.
Your average joint is about
three quarters of a gram.
I would
smoke out of a
bong, but you can
have like three
sessions out of a joint by yourself
through a bong.
You can take maybe three or four bong rips out of a joint by yourself through a bong right you could take maybe three or four
bong rips out of a single joint um so i would probably take 20 bong rips in a day
so you're smoking six seven joints a day yeah yeah christ dude yeah yeah a little bit much well good for you you know honestly
good for you i'm not gonna criticize you you're self-aware and you went it's just getting out of
control yeah did something trigger you was it a work thing is your girlfriend it wasn't even no
i think it's uh is a wanting to focus on more things because I would, I like weed because it makes you creative.
What I don't like about weed is it does not help your follow through.
Yeah, exactly.
So I was being, I noticed that I was being super creative.
I got all these outlets to be creative.
And then I noticed that, you know know i'd also get distracted with work i'd get distracted with with with you know just life
and stuff on top of not following through because i'm stoned at the end of the day instead of you
know here i can see you know by the time if it was 11 23 and i was smoking like i was normally
smoking throughout the day i wouldn't be able to put thoughts together right now.
Right.
Oh, you know what it was that triggered it?
I'll tell you right now.
I'm reporting what triggered it.
My fucking interview with 84 million.
I watched that.
Oh, I didn't watch it oh yeah well yeah if you did depend on because you were probably anxious to start anyway
yeah so i'm anxious i'm like all right all right i'm not gonna smoke and then
the anxious comes up and i'm like all right i gotta smoke and then so like you know i actually
took a ball rip like right before I hopped on the fucking thing
That's so funny dude
I can just imagine you going
I'm good, I'm good
And then you're like sitting there like
No, I should definitely have a smoke
That's what I normally do
People expect me
So why wouldn't I be myself
And then you have the smoke and you go
Alright, I'm done
Would normal me stop smoking right now all right, I'm done. No, would normal me stop
smoking right now? No, I would keep fucking
smoking.
Yeah, and now I'm actually having
a professional conversation with
Kyle, who's very well
thought out, well spoken,
well, just
it's a cohesive experience.
And I'm over here just being like,
yeah, well,
let me tell you.
The frogs.
Yeah.
Frogs are gay.
The frogs are gay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That combined with some like finances.
I think,
I think if you,
you know, if Litecoin becomes, you you know what we all hope and hope and
pray it'll become uh you know sad frogs is some og shit man you're gonna be like a litecoin icon
oh an icon that'd be crazy a litecon a litecon yeah i i think it's uh I was actually because I just launched the soft
launched the website um the the e-commerce website for sad frog and I was going through
and checking out backlinks and I did not realize how much of a wave you know sad for just being
consistent has has caused like I didn't realize there was links for sad frog on uh um you know talk about
litecoin there's there's links about sad frog on litecoin links there's there's like i i just
didn't realize there was all of these things and resources pointing towards and referencing sad
frogs uh that that were that aren't a part of of me like i didn't do them um i think the the
litecoin talks one i did do I just forgot that I did it.
Right.
You know.
But, yeah, you're absolutely right.
And I think it's pretty cool.
It's an honor.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm glad to hear you, like, you know, getting sober is a good thing to do.
Oh, yeah.
And the fact that you can be sober.
I'm not going to be smoking some weed, y'all.
Yeah, no, but I'm saying like...
You won't see me coming in stone every once.
No, but that you can be self-aware and say,
okay, I got to take a break.
Like, I got to assess the situation.
Let me shake out the sap from my brain for a little bit.
That takes...
That's not...
Because I'm kind of...
I was telling a buddy of mine,
I'm like, I'm in this weird place
right now. For the most part,
I work at home.
Hey, hold on one second.
Hang on.
You can talk. I just hang on one second.
I'm drinking water.
That's good. I drink water all the time
this is my alternative to a bottom rip you ready
oh yeah
yo you want to you want to try something that's really going to knock your socks off man
say that again you want to try something crazy to add to your water experience what electrolytes oh yeah i got these little noon tablets bro
but they got potassium magnesium yeah i've seen like a liquid iv it's like a similar thing okay
yeah yeah yeah pour it powder you in your fucking water and drink it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
That should be good.
I've definitely drank them a lot.
My dad's big on mountain biking.
Okay.
And I've got blood sugar issues.
And so he would just throw that shit in there.
And yeah.
Saved my life a couple times.
Oh, yeah.
Man. I knew someone who fucking, I don't know what the hell the problem was they weren't drinking or eating enough or something and they ended up
having uh a seizure in front of us and one of our friends uh was a doctor and he's like yeah
you know get this person fucking electrolytes get them g Gatorade right now. I've seen this before.
I mean, if you think about what are electrolytes,
they're literally the powerhouse, like, powering you.
Yeah, we're just giant walking batteries, right?
Yeah, literally.
We are giant walking batteries.
If you don't have your electrolytes, you rust from the inside out.
Kind of crazy when you think about it.
Yeah. Have you tried creatine at all? like do you rust from the inside out kind of crazy or anything about it yeah oh yeah have you have
you tried the creatine at all creatine yeah that's for uh that that's water weight on uh
on your muscles right yes but uh so if you so that's like if you do five grams daily you'll
get a bunch of water weight um if you go beyond that and saturate your muscles what happens is uh your atp receptors
globally even in your brain uh just are able to carry more energy and so you're it's a nootropic
it's probably like one of the most overlooked nootropics out there
um although it's getting a lot of attention these days.
But yeah, people are saying,
like, take 20 grams of preteen a day.
And you'll notice, like,
some significant psychological benefits.
Have you been doing it?
Yeah, I take about 15 to 20 grams a day.
Yeah.
That's cool.
And you notice the difference?
I could go higher, probably.
It's just because I put it like a...
Okay.
It's not every day.
The days that I have a protein shake,
I have a super protein shake
where I put all this shit in it.
You keep whispering.
Sorry, no.
I put a whole bunch of shit in my protein shakes.
And creatine is one of the things I put in there creatine is what one of
the things that i put in there oh yeah i've heard it's really valuable that creatine is like a like
a super drug right or a super additive or whatever you want to call it yeah it's a it's a supplement
it's a look it's for for bodybuilders i guess but like no
my girlfriend takes it too and she noticed she notices better mentality as well what
what exactly is creating is it like a enzyme or something or uh what is it uh okay like a protein
portion of a protein what is what is exactly you are my ai tonight animal i ask
random questions you look them up and tell them the answers it's a compound that is naturally
found in your body particularly in muscle cells it's made up from the amino acids lysine and
arginine uh primarily in the liver pancreas and kidneys your body also gets creatine
from a diet that includes red meat and seafood the primary function of creatine is to help your
muscles produce energy during high intensity short duration activities like weight lifting or
sprinting uh it does this by helping to recycle adenosine triphosphate ATP,
which is the main energy currency in your cells.
When you exercise intensely,
your body uses up ATP very quickly
and creatine helps to regenerate it so you can keep going.
All right, some of the benefits.
I'm gonna skip over the improved athletic performance
and increased muscle mass and go straight to cognitive and brain health.
Your brain also uses creatine for energy.
Research suggests that creatine supplementation may improve cognitive function, especially in older adults and vegetarians who tend to have lower creatine levels.
support for other conditions.
Support for other conditions.
Some sites have shown that creatine may help with age-related muscle loss
and may have benefits for bone health, heart health,
and even neurological conditions.
There's some side effects, but you don't need to know about those.
Is eating animal products is how you get more creatine, basically?
Yeah, but you would have to eat a lot.
Well, I'm saying, where does it come from, then?
You buy it off of Amazon.
You get a bag of it.
I mean, how is Amazon?
What is the thing you're taking?
What is that powder?
Is it bone?
Oh, yeah, okay, okay, okay.
Bone or something like that?
Does it?
You go, you go, I get it off Amazon.
Oh, yeah.
Was that not the question?
Oh, my God.
Jose, was that as funny
as I thought it was?
Yes, that was pretty funny.
I'm like, yeah,
but where's the credency come from?
He said he bought it on Amazon.
Okay, it's synthetically manufactured.
Here's a breakdown of the typical process.
Chemical synthesis, a common method involves combining two chemical compounds,
sacrosine and cyanamide, in a reactor.
I don't know what these are.
They make it in the lab.
Like petroleum or something?
No, I told you this.
It's the two chemical compounds are sarcosine and cyanamide.
Do you want me to Google what those are for you?
Yeah,
I know.
I'm genuinely curious.
Like where,
like where does the,
what I'm trying to figure out is a creatine is this super drug and people
take it.
Who are the,
who's,
who's making it?
How do you make it?
Is it all just some weird petroleum chemical?
Or is it
some unique rare earth metal or something?
Yeah, it's all like industrial
production. It starts with
other common chemicals. One method uses
a bunch of science. They just fucking make it in the lab uses. Okay, so a bunch of science.
They just fucking make it in the lab, right?
Okay, so that's so funny because I would think of creatine if someone was like, yeah, take
more creatine.
It's healthy.
I would think of creatine as something that's from nature.
Like I wouldn't think of it as a chemical compound made in an industrial lab.
And I bet you most people think creatine is natural.
Yeah, in our bodies.
But you can't consume an outside source that's natural.
The outside source you're consuming is a chemical.
Well, you can get it from animals, fish, and red meat.
I know, but you said you have to have it.
Yeah, that's what you just said.
So you're supplementing it with an unnatural
substance.
The creatine you're putting in a bottle
is unnatural. I gotta step down.
I gotta figure this out.
I just didn't have to launch and there's an issue.
I'll be back if I fix it quick.
Alright, Litecoin legend.
Peace, peace.
Yeah, see you later.
And I'm glad to hear he's getting himself sober.
I think it's a good idea.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, you know, I mean, I've been pretty sober, actually.
I know, you were telling me.
When's the last time you had something to drink or whatever?
Weed, it's been a long time, actually.
I forget.
I'll have a glass
here or there with friends and family.
Yeah, I was going to tell you the trap
I'm kind of in, right?
I work from home
basically, right? I travel sometimes for work,
but I go into the office
every three months
or something for a day and I really don't have no reason to go into the main every three months or something for a day.
And I really don't have no reason to go into the main office.
So I'm always independent.
And, you know, I work with people in different time zones.
So where I'm at is like it can be very flexible.
And sometimes you start early.
Sometimes you stay late.
You stay late. Sometimes you work weekends, whatever.
Sometimes you work weekends, whatever.
But when I've gotten into this zone of like, I have two or three IPAs and like 10 or 20 milligrams.
So I'm on gummies.
And I'm like, I feel great. I have a great time.
I'm out here chilling by a fire.
If I hang up the phone with you guys, I'll be listening to music, whatever.
I go to bed.
I wake up.
I feel fine.
I do my job.
Nothing.
Like, there's no penalty.
I don't hurt.
And I'm kind of in this spot going, man, this is really hard to walk away from.
Like, to say, why?
Like, because I go, why would I take a break?
There's no.
And I get how people get, you know,
they get in that loop of going,
well, why would I not want to just enjoy myself?
But I also know sober from the outside,
you're probably like, yeah, okay, but it's fake, right?
You're high. Who cares?
I don't know.
So, I mean, for me, it's just really the hangover,
the after effects. I used to drink and smoke a lot, dude. I don't know. So, I mean, for me, it's just really the hangover, the aftereffects.
I used to drink and smoke a lot, dude.
And I was in a constant state of recovery, right?
Recovery from the night before.
Yeah.
And just rolling into the next night.
And really, I don't know how I was doing it, man.
I was working and fucking
grinding hard.
You know what's more distracting to me
at work than
any drug?
The people in the office?
No. Litecoin
on a fucking bull run.
Yeah?
I'll be looking at that shit constantly.
Like, oh, fuck, what's going to happen?
What's going to happen?
Oh, my gosh, this is going to be crazy.
And you're looking at the market, and you're seeing the volume.
You know what I mean?
The shit's tickering really fast.
You're like, oh, Jesus Christ, this is great.
And I'm like, I can see that.
That's an addictive feeling.
That's a gambling addiction feeling, right?
Like, you're in a tizzy.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not like distracting
i don't really do that like i've always kind of got a chart open but i don't even look at it that
much i don't know i don't know is it distracting is it distracting me to the point where i'm not
no i don't think so i hardly even look at it.
Maybe, yeah, maybe because it's been so low, but honestly, last time I felt like that where it was really distracting me was in 2021.
Because you were making money, right? You right now you're, you're not.
Yeah. That's what I'm hearing.
Yeah. Now I'm like, I'm focusing on work, you know, like,
because you're, because you're still at a loss. That's what I'm hearing. Yeah, now I'm focusing on work.
Because you're still at a loss.
Your investment is at a loss.
Yeah, that's exactly what changed.
My overall investment, I look at it and I go $110, $115, somewhere in there.
In the grand scheme of time, that's how my money's gotten into Litecoin.
And so when I'm over $110, I'm like, okay, I'm good.
You know, I made a good decision.
And now all is positive from here.
And so once you get to that point, you'll feel a lot better, I think.
Yeah, I mean, I don't feel bad, dude.
Honestly, I can't complain.
I'm just whatever. i'm good dude i haven't you know i haven't been smoking i've been drinking i've been taking care of myself exercising
you know going on walks doing kettlebell trying to get in shape and all that
um i'm four years old i just i don't want my body to fall apart before uh
I just I don't want my body to fall apart before
before it has to you know they say that
some people are speculating that
if you can survive for the next 10 to 15 years you're going to live to be
150 200 or something yeah
and there should be like some kind of I don't know okay optimistically there should be some kind
of golden age that happens with ai once the dust settles and people find their place um
at least i would like i would like to think that it's got a really good chance of having
a positive outcome because the alternative is just a pure dystopia right yeah
so i'm trying i'm trying to remain optimistic i am optimistic and uh trying to stay you know
stay healthy remain positive and all that yeah
yeah for sure man take it easy you know keep it uh keep things light
yeah i don't know i'm looking forward to to seeing light coin pump for sure
but if it doesn't pump i'm not going to die you know right everything's going to be okay and in the meantime
to hang out with a bunch of light pointers on
my next
it's a fun time
yeah no I mean I honestly
I don't have any concern that it will
the story's there I think that's
that's what that guy at
Coinbase is right the story is the key and right now John D that guy at Coinbase is right. The story is the key.
And right now... Is that John D'Agostino?
That sounds right, yeah.
I know the last
name is right, what you said.
But, yeah,
he's right. The story is there. And I think
especially if the ETF comes along, right,
as we're seeing alts pump
and Bitcoin pump.
It'll be a confluence of events.
And I'm going to tell you, I believe, I really,
I think Charlie, like Vitalik,
is kind of operating on a different level.
And he very strategically found a roundabout way to put his weight financially behind Litecoin again
because he saw an opportunity.
He recognized how out of whack things were.
He was like, man, this is too juicy.
The trade was too juicy.
And his ego got bruised enough times.
I think he was like, fuck it.
Let's run this bitch back.
I do. I think he's like, let's run this bitch back.
Bro, he doesn't have kids.
What's he got in his day?
What does Charlie have in his day?
That's a good question. I don't know.
It is an interesting question. i found out he had a sister
right i don't know i read something i was like what how is that possible
and i was like is she hot how old is she
you remember that back in the day?
Your friends would be like, oh man, I was over at my cousin's birthday party and his sister, you know, she was being so
whatever. She just got her driver's license and be like, hey,
is she hot? That would be the only thing you'd ask.
Like, you don't care anything about his stupid story.
You just want to know, is this high school girl hot? you'd ask. You don't care anything about his stupid story.
You just want to know, is this high school girl hot?
Yeah.
That's funny.
Yeah, I remember those days.
Sadly.
Oh my god. High school.
Yeah.
Well, so hey man,
is your girlfriend there
with you or no?
Yeah, she's around.
I'm always trying to nudge you in.
You need to get your ass on the fucking, uh, get on that horse, bro.
What are you doing?
I don't get it.
You're 40?
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do with your life?
Shut up, cat.
I mean, for real bro come on now come on now
i've been watching i've been watching this guy this financial who's that who's that guy um
it's not the finance guru but it's something like that financial audit
you know i'm talking about? Caleb Hammer or something.
Okay.
He just lays into people who are in debt and he helps them figure out their finances.
Right, yeah.
Although he's kind of an asshole, honestly.
He could be a lot more...
He's just, you know, he's quick bait, but it's kind of entertaining.
you know he's quick bait but it's kind of entertaining but uh no there's these people
that are on there that you're just put themselves in such bad situations financially and they get
married and they're doing all this and you're like and you know i watch that and i go hey
you got your together like they're the ones that should be doing that you know
i'm just pressuring you to get married that's married i'm trying to say yeah you know it's funny dude i saw this
i saw this uh stand-up comedian yet a little bit uh apparently guess who's got the highest
incidence of divorce okay i just saw this at like 8 55 today jim Jeffries. I know you're talking about Jim Jeffries, right. Yeah.
Lesbians.
By a large margin, right?
These women are getting divorced
like crazy. The second highest
are heterosexual couples and the third
highest or the lowest rather
are gay men.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, why is that?
Why is that? Why is that why is that
why is that
probably because they're just playing battlefield
having fun I don't know
I have no idea I don't know
I don't know what's going through
are you not allowed to tell the joke
just say you know
because there's
there's two women involved
the heterosexual couple the problem because there's two women involved and then the heterosexual couple.
No, but that's the problem.
There's still a woman around.
That's the joke.
But I don't know if that's not the real reason.
Like, is there a scientific reason why gay men get divorced less?
I would want to check that to be actual fact.
I think it's true, dude.
I think it's true. Well. I think it's true.
They probably don't get married,
you know,
because listen,
listen,
listen,
you understand how,
all right,
is this being recorded?
Yeah.
You know,
you know,
it's about people who finally decide to settle down.
The reason gay men would get married,
like,
why would you get married if you're a gay man?
Beyond like you're ready?
You're genuinely, genuinely ready to settle down where heterosexual couples, you might settle down because you get someone pregnant accidentally. Right. That probably causes a lot of marriages.
And so, of course, the divorce rate is going to be higher because you have two people who got married that didn't love each other.
They just did it because they had to. Right. and so the gay men are always doing it by choice there's never
a gay marriage that's by like you're forced into it you know i'm saying right so there's your there's
your uh i don't know your data for the scientific study. I mean,
that's possible,
right?
Well,
it's true.
There are zero there.
There's not a single gay couple that was forced into marriage because they,
somebody got the other person pregnant accidentally.
That's a hundred percent fact.
Yeah.
Right.
For sure.
That's part.
Yeah.
Okay. But why, why do For sure. That's part, yeah. Okay.
But why do lesbian couples
apparently have
higher divorce rates?
That's a good question.
I would say
my instinct is that
men are probably really
averse to commitment.
So again, when two gay men get married, Men are probably really averse to commitment.
So again, when two gay men get married,
it's like a very significant thing because they're both don't want it
and yet they still did it.
So they overcame larger odds to get married,
essentially, their own emotions,
where maybe women by nature are
less or maybe softer in that regard.
And so they're a little more likely to get married.
It's a little more likely to get divorced.
So I asked Google and what is the top the top reason they gave was that same-sex couples, particularly gay men,
tend to get married after longer periods of cohabitation and relationship testing.
So this delayed entry into marriage could also lead to more stable meetings.
They got it out of their system.
You know what I mean?
It's understood in the gay community.
Hey, you got it out of your system.
And that's what i'm saying
about it yeah that makes sense yeah that could be it um yeah you're talking about child root
child rearing um hey hey hey it's a family show dude it's a family show
Yeah, some people find it between having children and higher divorce rates of lesbian couples.
yeah some some people find the link between having children and higher divorce rates and lesbian
They're more likely to break up in the first five years of marriage if they had children compared to gay male couples.
I love that's true. I love that it's true.
Like, that's such an interesting fact.
How dramatic is this information?
Is it like, you know, lesbians are four out of ten, heterosexuals are five out of ten 10 and gays are six out of 10, or is it like a big disparity?
Yeah. I don't know. Let's what, uh, what, what are the breaks? Well,
they're saying that it's like, um, sorry,
the 2022 study of Norway found that divorce rates were 29% higher,
uh, in female to female marriages compared to male to female marriages really yeah that's
interesting um oh and male to male marriage impulsive that might that might be the the
word that would be what this is telling you is that um women are more impulsive that the lesbians are more
impulsive than gay men that might be the thing to say right the gay men wait in
the lesbians do not which would make sense because women need security and
so they have strength in numbers
where men don't require that that kind of makes sense i don't even think that it could be more
also that their uh their whole uh biological clock is ticking right so there's this pressure
to have children because it's something like they will no longer be able to whereas yeah men have
the uh they don't have that pressure so they can take their time.
And they, when they finally do settle down, you know, they could be in their fifties or something. Right.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I sent it to my wife too. If you're watching these fight,
that financial guy. And I was like,
some of the women were like getting a little older. I said,
I think what's weird is that it's kind of sad to watch because the women who are like 30s early 30s i said it's like they don't see that in a few years you're
going to be at an age where men don't want you physically you have a bunch of debt like you
you can't have you're at the end of having kids anymore. And by that time, usually they don't want to have kids. And it's like, you go from like kind of a hot commodity and three years later, you're literally unwanted, you know?
And it's sad.
It is sad.
Because like, I feel like, you know, as a man, like you do, like we like to take care of our women and protect them and all that stuff and i think that women misinterpret that sometimes that
empathy for them as being like considering them to be weak
really like they look at it as us going oh well let me help you or you can't handle it
and they sometimes get defiant about that and they don't see it as something where we're trying to help them.
They see it as like we're patronizing them kind of, you know?
Sure, pandering or patronizing.
Yeah, okay.
You know what I'm saying?
Doesn't that make sense?
Yeah, yeah.
So, I don't know why we got on the gender thing all of a sudden.
Yeah, I mean uh it's interesting and I don't know there's something to be taken out from that taken away from that I guess what does it mean you got a bunch of beeping in your background tonight
like there's been a truck backing up all night really like when you speak
uh it's almost like you're on a little bit of like a voice cancellation or like a background
noise cancellation thing and that when you're talking there's like this dude dude almost like
a truck the um could be the, what's it called?
The cutoff?
Crossover or something?
Yeah,
because it's about my AC running.
That was it right there.
It raised,
like,
literally a second ago.
Yeah,
let me turn up my AC
and see if this still happens.
That was right again.
It was the AC again?
I kind of hate that AC.
And buy your woman some central air, Animal.
Jesus, criminy.
Can we please...
Can we please...
Can we please...
Oh my gosh in heaven, do this for me.
It would make me so happy, Animal.
Let me interview you and your girlfriend.
And get you two married.
I want you two to get married.
is it better now?
Dude, this would be great.
Great recording.
Look,
it'll happen on, you know.
Jesus Christ.
No, if it happens, it's happening.
On the thing
okay
but we'll plan it out it won't be like the first
time she's ever on we'll like you know
make her think it's a normal thing and then all
of a sudden out of the blue
you know what I'm saying
yeah I understand what you're saying
that's a sweet idea
you don't sound that excited about it.
Well, no.
It's kind of a scary proposition, I'll be honest with you.
But, yeah.
Anyways.
All right.
All right.
All right.
I'm about to turn to pumpkin, dude.
Yeah, no.
I agree.
I agree.
It's getting late.
I always want to say 11, and then it ends up being 12 almost every time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
Well, hey, man.
Well, hey.
Yeah, in less than a week, dude, you're going to have the Pixel 10 phone,
so you'll have – they're coming out in six days, so.
Maybe.
No, no, man.
I'm not sure yet.
I'm thinking about it.
Jose, you got anything else to say?
Fist bump. Alright, man. Take it easy.
Everybody have a good night, and
I'll talk to you later.
Bye. Bye-bye.
