Hello, hello everybody and good afternoon. Welcome to Chill and Chill again. Today we have Elliott with us with everything project Elliott. Yo, what's up, Wax? Get to be here.
Welcome. First time. Big day today. So we have like 10 people right now. We're waiting for more people to join. Say before we jump into the everything and
and all the complicated stuff, which you maybe give us a little background about yourself, your story, how you got into crypto, and how you end up working on your project. - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah.
name is Elliot. I'm working probably in the near space for a little over a year now. I used to work in like a fun accounting sector for a big
bank, I used to work on like, uh, transaction engines and I just really didn't like that. I was doing it for three years and it was pretty cool, but yeah, I just, I didn't really like it. I didn't
Love working for an economy that I felt wasn't working for me and you know what the more I think about it. I actually quit my job
about two weeks to the day. That's kind of crazy. So almost a year ago. And then I was working on this project, this idea of an inventory of everything. And I
I started building this concept of a database capable of referencing any real tangible asset and then you could like build a supply chain to move it. It was a pretty big idea.
I entered it into a near mega build hackathon and Near just like fit so well. It's so easy to develop on so It's been history ever since honestly, but near it's kind of all I'm into for crypto
I don't really follow a whole lot of other things. I'm mostly just a builder. That's my story. That's a great story. Do you think you could tell us a little bit about BOS and how the watch you
building leverage is be yours. Yeah for sure. You know, dude boss is cool. Blockchain operating system. I hope that everybody's familiar with it here. But if you're not it's blockchain operating system. It's the idea that you can store
decentralized front end almost react codes on chain and then that code is read off of the chain and it's rendered it's compiled inside of VM and it's rendered almost like you can build a new internet so you have all these
like websites that are operating inside of sandbox iframes. And it's completely open source. You can fork all these different widgets. It's composable. It's really sick. But it probably got released, got released in March at East Denver.
And I had been working on this everything project for a year and I had been like, I had this
idea that I wanted the data to be like available for everybody. I wanted to be like privacy first, everybody owns their data, all this type of stuff, totally open source. And
I built out this app, I built this dashboard, all this stuff using conventional technologies like NextJS and PostGrey and stuff like that. And it just wasn't cutting it. And I knew it was possible.
but yeah, and then boss came on to seeing it and just if it perfectly it was like exactly what I was looking for. So everything which has
This is kind of evolved. Now, it's founded itself as a type system, a way to describe data on the blockchain operating system.
And if you can define data on an operating system, then it's interoperable across any blockchain or any website that wants to use it and is built on site onto the operating system. So that's kind of where everything finds its niche. You can create these types, these objects schemas to define anything
And they could be building blocks for an app. And then those building blocks can be used by anybody on the operating system to build their apps too. And that data, because they're object schemas, you can like pull data from all these different external data sources. So you can like pull data from all these different external data sources.
you could potentially totally own your data, where you have your own hardware, your own database, your own API, and when you go on to websites, if people want to access it, it's yours. It's not owned by anybody else. You are in full control.
it. It's really cool. It's really cool and it's also really complicated to do. Yeah. Would you say it's like similar to this idea of almost like this
centralized app store, but instead of app stores more like a library for other builders to pull different components from and create like their own applications. Yeah, I think that's a great way to describe it templates. Definitely. So who is
Every who would be like the person using everything would be a developer who is like wanted to build his own applications on BOS or across the blockchains. Yeah, you can. So everything is also a gateway. So you guys can check it out. It's at everything.dev.
And it aggregates data across the entire blockchain. So it can be used by consumers. It can be used by builders. There's like a no code tool on there, a creator, where
Builders and they can be anybody because it's practically a no-code tool You can just compose the components together on there and then it's also yeah, there's there's data that's aggregated across entire systems
So it also kind of like doubles as a social media in a way. You can see posts, events, tasks. It's everything. It's pretty wild.
It also just posted in the comments the link. Let me bring it up here so everybody can join. And check out the website for yourself as well as guys don't forget that we have the giveaway today. Elliott is given
the way it went here. So you know we need to show the support and go to the other pin tweet with the space link like it would get some more people in the space. Here's what I wanted to ask you. Like you say it's data aggregation
across all the different blockchains, but interoperability in blockchains seems to be like a big problem that everybody's always talking about and how do you sort of go over that issue and make everything compatible with everything. Definitely.
No, so right now it just aggregates data across the operating system and then any chain that is built on the operating system can follow that data, but it really all starts with like it's the data schemas.
Let me think about this. The problem with interoperability is that you need, you have all this data across all these chains.
And then you also need front ends that read this data and understand how to display
it. And if you have all these disjointed front ends, everybody making all their own websites and all these websites, they could be querying the same chain, the same data.
you have all these points of failure because everybody is building their own site, they're all disconnected, they have to keep up with the standards they could
standards could change and their site breaks. They don't know how to keep track of the data anymore. So what's cool with Boss is that we can create types which are pretty much object schemas stored on chain. Those types can be owned by like a DAO. So
people can propose changes to the type schema to the Dow and then people can use that to build their applications. And what's cool is that since it's all connected when the type schema changes, it automatically changes for all of the
decentralized front ends that are utilizing it. So if you have a component that is viewing this data, you don't have to change it. It automatically updates whenever the schema changes. >> And could you go a little bit into what is this?
scheme of type because you know we do have a lot of smart people in this space but I'm not sure a lot of them are as technical as you are. I'm not for example so maybe we need some definitions here to understand it better. Yeah for sure. So I used to work for a big bank and
So post execution trades, these trades would happen in the market and then they like go through this huge long process. And we're they're hitting all these different applications. They're being enriched. These transactions are being enriched with
more data and stuff like that. And in order for all these applications to understand the transaction as it moves through them, they have to follow a schema. Like there has to be a standard that the transaction follows so that these applications they
understand it, they read it, they don't have to change their code or anything in order to keep track of it. So this is the type of thing that we're storing on chain, are these like objects, these standards, properties that define a piece of data. Make it understandable.
predictable. But the problem with the bank was that these standards they update every single year. And when they update, you have all every single application in the bank would have to like upgrade
I forget what we call them, but they were like compilers that understood the transaction. And it's a big costly process.
types kind of changes that. You don't have to upgrade it every single time. I hope that wasn't too technical. I can try again.
No, that was really good. You have a complicated product, so we have to be technical, we have no choice. Could you talk a little about why do you think everything is
like really important, maybe even specifically for you, why is it important to create something like this, especially from like, there are like different angles, as I understand right, there is this angle of decentralized component for application, then
There is sort of like the data situation and I mean it's everything right there is a lot of different things. So just for you personally like what drives you to work on this project? Yeah.
So it's kind of crazy, like everything started with a totally different idea.
It started with this idea, I mentioned it earlier, but database capable of referencing any real tangible asset. And when I'm talking about that, I'm talking about the second hand product market, because we have all these things, clothing, laptops,
that's like in front of me all these physical objects I'm looking at. There's really we don't have a great way of organizing them. We have like this you maybe throw them away or you donate them or something and then it just kind of disappears. You kind of there's no
So, the second hand product market is probably one of the most undervalued but also disjointed and disorganized markets in the world. And it's a problem that we have to solve. It's one, there's just a ton of value in it.
We need to keep track of these things in some way. We throw away stuff that people can use. Or we sit on things that maybe like this bike
that I haven't rode in three months that's sitting right in front of me. Somebody in the neighborhood could use that. But the problem is that like nobody knows I have this bike and there's also really not a great way of
Organizing it so that everybody can see and use it. So that's kind of like that's how the idea started was to organize all these physical things and that's kind of where it's going. I found myself now working on
these like data schemas that can be used to define these physical objects but that's the ultimate motivation is I'm really driven by like yeah curbing collusion
That's a big topic in my life. And I think that if we can organize not only data online so that people can have data sovereignty and they can just really express themselves online and control it.
all these type of things, but also so that they can have more control over their daily lives and maybe not have to rely on going to Walmart or something or Amazon to buy something new. If it could just be just as accessible to buy something secondhand, that's the goal.
We have some questions from the audience in the comments. I guess let's take a step back from everything and move back to boss because you know you're here also as a boss expert for our community to explain complicated things. So here is a question from Uncle O'Mourne. What
So I guess as like more straightforward applications, does it really work for businesses? Yeah, honestly, so I do want to say one, I didn't make the blockchain operating system.
That's Eugene the dream who's mob.me air. He's really incredible, really smart guy. He's the one that made it all and he made it in such a way that it's so easy that you can just like install this package into any website and it's that package that
It's that package that renders the blockchain code.
So that pretty much means like you can build any website and sell the package on it and now you have access to all these like composable widgets and even more so it's it's really just like websites operating inside a sandbox i frame. So
That means you can pretty much go right now. You could go on near org, create a widget.
embed your current website URL into an iframe and just kind of like hook up the entire backend to some widgets. So you don't really even have to like change anything of your current site or any of it.
You just kind of need to go through a little bit of a migration and through that migration. Now you're connected to an entire ecosystem, only one login is needed or no login is needed at all.
I think that because of how easy it is, I think that there are
There's not a whole lot of challenges.
training businesses onto blockchain operating system at all. I think it comes with time. It's definitely like a young technology in a way, but as it matures and it's maturing really fast, I don't see a reason why not to.
I wanted to ask you about it. Before boss nearer was pretty much like an L1, similar to Ethereum, similar to all of them, like Avalon, Selanda, they all are different.
in their own way, but the overarching theme is the same as a type of software, a type of blockchain. Now, near releases boss and change the whole identity around it. Could you reflect on what is the difference
What was the difference of what Nier was before and where is it going now that it has boss? What does it even mean for Nier? I think it's been a great move because nobody else is doing this, storing the central
and that's like that's chain agnostic. There's so one you you have a mo. Nobody else is doing it. And there's really no reason for any bills to try unless they think that they can do it.
faster or cheaper, but it only costs like a cent to pretty much create a website now and it lasts forever and it's permanent. And then yeah, it's chained and not agnostic. So it can this site that you can launch on boss can connect to any chain
Yeah, and so there's like, there's really no competition there. I think it's a great move. It kind of changes the direction from competing with everybody to now working together with everybody.
Like the goal is to all come together to put it all together for everything. I see and it seems like it really pushed out near in a category of its own from this category was all the other L1s definitely definitely agree.
Yeah, that's very interesting to see where it's going. Why do you think it makes sense for, I don't know, for who just take it general, why does it make sense to have decentralized frontends? So why, what's wrong the way they are right now, the way the websites work, and sort of like what problem does it really solve?
I think there's a lot of answers to this actually, but maybe one of the most pressing is that
I mean, of course, it makes it simpler. So right now, there's kind of like high barriers of entry in order to build websites. For some of us, I mean, it's really simple, but for if you're just learning and getting into this space, there's a lot to do. There's like, you have to develop a site
which includes building the actual framework itself that runs the site. So the React Dom or something like that. That's something that we kind of worry about in a way.
when we're doing development.
And then we have to like hook up a database, we have to host it.
build out all the components, there's just kind of like a lot of work to it all and building on boss. I mean it kind of cuts out all of the boilerplate that you don't really have to worry about anymore. So that's one great thing. But probably most pressing is that
A lot of the internet today is running off of AWS. I would actually be really interested to see what percentage, each, like, all these websites are running off of. If we ever, like, remember Instagram going down or
Some days like we'll see that like internet goes down I'll see that like yeah Instagram's down I'll go on a couple of other websites and they're also down and it's because they're all connected and they're all running on the same servers and You know that's that's a real problem
Especially we could nuke like Amazon's web servers and now internet's down I don't know how we would really like talk to each other or any of it so having it decentralized having it stored on chain it just means that
It's resilient. If Amazon blew up, we still have all these.
Yeah, that's definitely interesting and concerning and I think maybe not a lot of people will probably everybody here, but not a lot of people in general understand that like I've just looked it up. It's 33% for AWS and then the next 20 and 10 is between Microsoft and Google Clouds.
So like 50% of all the internet is like physically stored on the servers of three companies, right? And if something were to happen to them, I guess it's not like one physical location, but just the fact that they have like a CEO or board of directors or whoever makes a decision and those people can turn off the internet.
which they don't even need to be government or they don't need to be like anybody super powerful just like as a private company they can make that. I mean theoretically of course nobody's gonna do it I guess but the fact that it's like possible and you know in like Gloucchim mentality there is that sort of point of failure it is very
concerning and it does make sense sort of narrative to the centralized data storage but where exactly do this like in the near system in boss where exactly is a data stored like physically.
So data is stored inside of a smart contract. So that's the social contract that Eugene made, which is pretty much what the, that's pretty much all of the bosses is this social contract. So the data is kind of stored, it's stored there.
James would be a great person to ask for this one.
where it's physically stored because I don't really know how smart contracts work with sharding and that's how like, near is able to scale and spin up all these different become more decentralized. But I don't really know what happens to the smart contract when that happens.
But is there ideas that there are like nodes or some other type of participants in the network that sort of like provide their hardware for data to be stored there because right alternatively to like being stored on AWS service for example
it still has to be stored somewhere, right? So like some participants of the near blockchain provide, like, we'll have to provide some type of hardware to store the data, right? Right. Although, so what I work on, the type system, these objects came out
because there's stored on chain the cool thing is that sure you can store data on the on the social DB so in a near smart contract or something like that. But they're just object schemas so you can actually you can store your data anywhere so I've been trying to
to integrate Verita, Ceramic. Those have been like the two focuses, but it could also be like any typical post-grade database or anything. As long as the data in these external sources follow the same schema, that's really all that matters.
But then like outside of social contract of the contract, for example when you say stored on chain and then of the day there has to be some type of like physical machine right to store the data got it okay just making sure for myself. All right, let's see.
We actually have a lot of requests to ask questions. It's complicated topic. I'm figuring myself out today. We don't have an entertainment show. We have a deep dive learning. So, well, let's get somebody from our audience and see if we're doing a good job.
Zeewe was here, I feel like he was here even before I was. So there's a space open, Zeewe was there, so Zeewe, you can go ahead, ask your question or contribute to the discussion however you wanted to. Okay, okay, you know, thank you so much for bringing me up with you, to ask my question.
First of all, this topic is kind of technical. Only people have technical knowledge of the real BUS. We will have best chance to say about this.
You know, kind of curious about it. What language is this course written in? You know, we have basic languages for writing course.
The advantages of this blockchain or plastic system, that is being built. Projects on here and project outside because as time goes on, all the protocols you know, tens you know, you know, implement this.
for themselves too. So is there any specific advantage of a proponent that our near ecosystem and put it or not on near ecosystem? Is there any distance if I wanted between these two? Sure. It's your first
question. The code that is in the widgets, it's pretty similar to React. There's some nuances like you handle state just a little bit differently, but I think it's actually a more simple React language. So JavaScript.
And then for your second question, yeah, I mean, that's it. That's a great question about how
other chains could pretty much do the same thing as Nier is doing. They could build their own blockchain operating system. And I don't think that there's really anything stopping them. Besides, Nier has like, is well
It's kind of built for this type of thing. It's pretty much found it's stride, I would say, in the Black Sea and the operating system. I don't know.
Yeah, I'd be really curious to see how it would work on other chains. Because I think that there's a lot more to it than just storing code on chain. There's also a virtual machine, an interpreter in a way that has to read this code and has to compile it.
There's also the entire developer experience in order to develop and deploy all this code.
So, basically, you know, you know, as a new developer of the project wanting to implement these protocol in his project. Like, hope when you when implementing this bureau as like, hope they will be in
need to know to address that you can, you can, as a developer, you can adjust to your own taste with the widgets or it's just automatic. You can make any adjustment to it whenever you are developing.
I'm sorry, I didn't catch the question. What was the question right there?
I'll see you with a repeat of questions.
Okay, I guess we'll have a connection issues. Yeah, I'm already been off.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah, yeah. I said, you know, I say developer wanting to implement this protocol in a new project. Like I said, you know, hope, you know, that will be neat. Hope that that will be neat. Like if like, I
It developed once you know it did and I make some adjustments to the widgets. Hopefully they will be mixed for that. Or it's just automatic that you know you won't do it to make any adjustments to it. Right. Yeah, that is a huge advantage to it.
And I would also say that if you're a new developer and you're wanting to get started, nearpad, nearpad.dev is a great place to start. It's kind of like a web IDE for developing widgets.
Yeah, I would definitely start there and then yeah, it's definitely there is a huge advantage the fast that you can utilize other people's Components and they get updated automatically whenever they change their widget code it updates for you as well
Okay, okay, that is pretty nice.
I know you have to be a constant working through this to make sure that it's specific.
I think that's what I've been added as times goes on. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for the question. Okay, thank you, Zero. Let's take another question from Spark. Yeah, hello, thank you very much.
Can you have me? Yes. All right. So my question is concerning the smart contracts which you mentioned. You said something about storing the data of these developed pass on the smart contracts.
I don't know if I'm actually getting that wrong. And how exactly would you do that knowing that there are a lot of vulnerability attached to smart contracts? So because I know most projects would actually use
maybe like a cloud storage device like that or something of that nature. I don't really, so I don't do a whole lot of smart contract development. I barely even know rust. I mostly
just do the front end development. But I'd be curious to learn more about these vulnerabilities. I mean, these, so to be clear, these are smart contracts on Nier. And
Yeah, yeah Alright, so um one more question sorry I'm consigning the things you guys actually building on here or you actually focused on here so um
Do you plan having maybe like a kind of support for developers maybe like grants or other kind of support as I just built in? So I don't work with near I just work on a project on near. So I'm not involved in any of that process.
Although, I mean, I'm totally with you. I think that I know that there's a actually, I think that James is going to be having a talk with you wax sometime. But what we've been trying to do is
So everything is built by everyone and something that we are trying to do right now is kind of like build some sort of incentive so that let's say somebody wants to build a project or something like that they can create bounties
and sponsor those bounties and then somebody anyone can come and pick up those bounties and implement if they implement it within a set amount of time and then they can claim it they'll get paid.
It's definitely a good question.
Yeah, I don't have the best answer for it, but I think that that is something that like a lot of us I know that me like I'm also looking for grants or something in some way I mean that's that's kind of this everything is a public good and that's kind of how it stays afloat
And I think that there's a lot of improvements to current grant processes. I don't really feel like anybody has figured it out. So through building on boss, because of how accessible it is and how much we all can build together on there, how collaborative it is, I think building that
that future where for grants and bounties and all that that's definitely in the process and and we should do that. All right, all right, thank you. Thank you, Spark. You say you mostly do front end like what's up with the
fronted from everything it looks very very same you know is it like the initial version or rough draft or what's the idea behind it yeah it's it's all a work in progress it's it's definitely like a rough draft right now but really
I've been spending all this time trying to figure out the complexities of boss and building out certain features. So if you are on the site, there's this plus sign that's in the top. And this is kind of like the core concept of it all, the fact that you can
people can create types and then it dynamically like generates the creator for that type. So I've been spending a lot of time like that type of stuff out. It's kind of stuff that fits is happening behind the scenes that we don't see a whole lot of but the user experience
and definitely need to improve. Got it, got it. Well, let's take another question. We have Mia with her hand up. Yeah, can you me? Yeah. Thank you for this wonderful opportunity. Well, it's been a great space so far.
So I'm not really developing a goal. I have a couple of questions regarding things I read on your website and what I read on your Twitter handle. So while I went to your Twitter handle, I discovered that you had to intuit. And the original of these are everything I've actually begun.
when it naturally indicated interest in making Twitter and maybe on everything up. So that let me actually go through the website link which you posted and I read that actually there are there are the last four features which are integrated to your platform which are the image, the post, the task and the event feature.
that users will be able to actually make use of everything up. Blasers has this shami there and also as a kind of app which they can actually say the event. So actually wondering and asking if there is going to be plans or considerations
Maybe on integrating a reminder feature to the OLD for PSYSTIN once which I just mentioned earlier. And also can you also tell us the requirements and the process you needed to get signed up on the everything up. Thank you. Yeah, so that's definitely so everyone
Everything is just it's aggregating data across the entire operating system. So when you're seeing post image task event, like those are all data types and any application that is built on boss and so is also built on everything can add
access this data and following these types. So you can kind of re-build Twitter. We're coming into the age of consumer apps. We were talking about before. As these types
it established and all of it. Yeah, you can, uh, anybody can pretty much build a consumer app on top of boss that utilizes the same data as everybody else. So you have a pretty much like a huge interconnected ecosystem. And then anybody can create, can create the data and the data can even be like,
owned by a DAO or something like that. It kind of gets into some pretty interesting topics. And then your second question was, oh, how to sign up. So right now what you need is a near wallet. So I can actually provide a link, a sharp dog link so that you can
Let me I can put the end of chat right now actually. I just why do that I'll be just a full of cushion. I don't know. You can buy it on maybe shed
I also want to let you know if you have any video or educational content that you actually educate users on how to effectively make use of your platform or so.
I don't know if, let's say, KYC, KYC, VFK, that's really mandatory.
Before you use us, we'll be able to get a sign look on the everything of. Thank you. No, I don't think so. I don't think it's mandatory at all. I mean, I don't think it should be and it isn't right now. So I just put a link in the comments.
or claim a wallet on the ear. You don't need KYC or anything like that. You just need a username. And then that link will also set you up with just enough funds to go ahead and play around. You can make posts, you can even create a widget or a thing.
if you want. All right, all right, all right. Thank you for this wonderful precise answers. I wish you the best. Thank you. Thank you. Well, that's been a heavy space. We usually don't do it. You know, usually
We talk about some funny stuff. This has been a whole class. Yeah, I mean, let's take another question from Lite. I already brought him up. So let's hear what he has to say. And I think that we're going to wrap it up. Lite, you can go ahead. Ask your question.
Okay, I think light might have connection problems, but he actually DMed me his question. So this is what the question is. When I hear the operating system, what comes to my mind are devices and different operating systems.
like iOS and Android OS, Windows and etc. So do you think there would be devices that support the blockchain operating system? And I guess I'll also add from my self-leg to the question is, this kind of what LightXplain is, there is a traditional image that
like the definition of operating system, right? That everybody you say what is operating system they will think of windows, they will think of iOS and these things. So when we say boss, like the blockchain operating system, do we put the same meaning into that? Like is it the same thing or is it kind of like the same words, but it is kind of
like there's a difference in what the technology actually is. I think it's the same thing. Honestly, for the potential that Boss has and how much you can do with it, I mean, it's pretty much an operating system right now
that runs in your browser, which is pretty cool because eventually I think that Nier is planning on integrating it with Brave browser like directly. So then you can almost like navigate to different websites without
needing to know a domain, you could instead just know like a path to where the actual site is stored on the operating system.
It works exactly the same. Even has-- you can navigate the paths just as you would on command line or something on your own operating system. It's pretty wild, honestly.
Well, the other thing I wanted to say to that. Oh, I also do think I think that I mean that's a that's a great point to it's like iOS is for Apple, but boss is kind of it's for everything.
You can run a browser on whatever device. You can interact with this operating system. This operating system is able to build websites in a way. You can build applications, marketplaces,
anything on top of it. So it's almost like it's right now it operates in a small container that is your browser but I can imagine a future where devices are more they abstract that out
The device's operating system kind of matters less and it's more about just running the browser so that you can access the blockchain operating system. Got it. Thank you. I see lights on it.
So I guess I'd answer his question Okay guys we've been live 50 minutes. It's been like a tech heavy space not something we usually do but it was very interesting I learned a lot. I think everybody else did too So I think we're gonna wrap it up Mr. Elliott. Thank you so much for coming
And the blessedness was all this knowledge guys go check out the everything There is a link pinned in description The project that Elliot is working on and yeah anything any last words before we go No, thank you for having me on I've had a good time
And let's do it again. Let's do again. Maybe have a little bit more fun next time. I'll try and be less technical. Yeah, man. I think I'm definitely want to do a space with James and I would love to have you there and maybe we'll get some as well depending on his availability and have like more, you know.
But just not just two people talking to a child like an interview but like an actual conversation on all the BOS topics and as you said James can do a lot of input because I don't want to torture with all the BOS questions Yeah, right. No, that sounds really cool. I love that all right then we'll plan on
make it happen and you guys make sure not to miss it. So yeah, that being said, the space is over. Thank you so much everybody for coming. We'll announce the winners. I think last week we announced and distributed the prizes for like the past three or four spaces. Now we have like the last one.
We still need to announce and this one today. So there will be an announcement with to give more than two winners, but like two space winners of the two spaces. So yeah, thank you so much everybody for coming and I'm gonna rock this space now. Goodbye.