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20k celebration space 🥂🥳
Recorded: July 26, 2025 Duration: 4:08:24Space Recording
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In a lively discussion, participants explored the evolving landscape of crypto partnerships, growth trends, and the significance of fundraising and token launches, emphasizing the need for strategic collaboration and user engagement in the rapidly changing market.
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Music Thank you. Do you get that?
Oh no.
Hello?
Hello? Hello?
Hey Hitch.
Now, I saw you sent the...
Yes, now I'm co-host.
It's just the two of us and anonymous listeners in tiny.
I don't see the anonymous...
Oh, I see them.
Yes.
One of my boyfriends.
Oh, two of my boyfriends now oh no oh no every time i'm in a
space hitch i look down in the anonymous and i just assume like all of them all of them love me
correct you know any space yeah yeah any space that you're in, at least 93% of the anonymous listeners are there for you.
It doesn't matter who's there.
Yeah, they're stalking.
Correct.
It's like every guy I've ever gone on a date with, I imagine every single one of them is just stalking, watching.
I mean, can you blame them, to be fair?
No. watching i mean i mean can you blame them to be fair no they're they're only human you know they hear you i think i um i think i heard it you remember
that book that i brought ages ago it was like how to winzintani and make her fall in love with you
there was a the last passage in the book said –
It's the most uncomfortable space I've ever been in, but yeah.
That was so much fun.
The last line in the book said this,
to know Zintani is to love Zintani, and then that's how the book ended.
I hope you know when you are nice to me.
You're the only one I let do this.
Really?
Yeah, it makes me uncomfortable.
Well, I'm not good with compliments.
We've talked about it.
Listen, this is a complete foreign concept to me.
More, more, give me more.
I love compliments.
I want to get more used to it
i don't know what it is well we talked about it i felt like it was a good um psychological deep dive
whatever i'll be honest though i still don't understand people's explanations maybe i'm dumb
or like not just you like 10 10 different people
tried to explain it to me and to me it doesn't make any sense to why people don't just say thank
you well it's um isn't it what we or the idea expressed i think home math talked about it um was that you don't want people to have expectations right something like that
because it's not all compliments i don't like i like when people say i'm a musical genius
i like when i hear that um but like sometimes i don't know there's I don't I don't remember what we talked about in that space
I think it should be its own space that concept of like why why is it the case that some people
don't like compliments and what what is that grounded? What's the root of that?
Yeah, I've talked about this topic twice.
But unfortunately, in my opinion, I don't think I ever got a good explanation.
A lot of people had explanations, but none of them stuck in my mind because none of them made sense.
Well, it might be, I don't want to make this a dark space.
But it might be, and I don't want to make this a dark space, but it might be, and I don't want to make it weird.
I hate when people make it weird when I'm not making it weird, but they think I'm making it weird.
It's your space. Make it weird. Make it weird, baby, whatever you want. I've had like one Christmas where a family felt bad and they, or no, I've had it a couple times where like a family would feel bad and they'd come bring me over for Christmas.
But even in those, like, I'm sort of the like odd one out.
So I'd never had like birthdays.
There was no one to give me presents.
There was no one to celebrate.
What I'm getting at is like,
maybe it's the childhood,
like something developmentally in me because I'm not used to people celebrating my wins.
Like people celebrating, you know,
when you look at a birthday
you're celebrating that someone's been alive so I never had that so maybe it's something to do
with this that like neurologically I didn't um develop to appreciate um conflict do you get
what I'm getting at yeah let me summarize i think i know what you're saying
i i would you know offer some counters but you're basically saying because you grew up in foster care
and you kind of always felt a little bit on the outside maybe you didn't get the love that other
people would so when people give you compliments um it kind of sits in your mind that you never
felt accepted so the compliments feel kind of strange they're no no i'm saying like the neurological i'm not doing a pity party thing i'm saying like
maybe and it's just an idea but maybe um neurologically a child develops certain pathways to learn to celebrate themselves socially.
And if you don't give a child that, then their brain might not.
So when someone gives me certain compliments,
maybe it's just that I don't have those pathways.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, you became accustomed to accepting certain types of compliments
and established neural pathways in order to learn how to do that.
Yeah.
So being presented with another where someone says you're great
or you're, I don't know, there's something that celebrates you as an entity.
Maybe that's, maybe it's because it's an unfamiliar territory
whereas you you've you've had birthdays right your your parents loved you and
yes they did was this not a good idea or what is what not a good because you said you have counters
oh yes yes so first of all i want to thank you publicly for not saying the word vasopressin What is the counter? Because you said you have counters. Oh, yes, yes.
So first of all, I want to thank you publicly for not saying the word vasopressin because I've had to get counseling for hearing that word too many times.
My counter would be yes to your situation.
It sounds like it makes sense.
And obviously, I'm not disputing anything you said in terms of how you've experienced it but um i guess my counter question would be you know you're not the only
one a lot of people feel very uncomfortable with compliments and they react in a very similar way
that you react but they've had uh you know reasonably normal lives had a lot of love
my guess would be it's more of a heritable trait like take something like you always think that
though correct uh because there's a lot of evidence for it uh i'll give something like
shyness for example um shyness is a highly heritable trait now if you just looked at one
family for example in my family um my brother believe believe it or not, when we were growing up,
he was smarter than me. And people would always be, why aren't you as smart as your brother?
And blah, blah, blah, blah. So I had this thing in my mind because I was reading a lot of psychology
books. Oh, the reason I became extroverted and funny is to counter my brother's intelligence. I couldn't be as smart
as him so I became funny. But the more I learn about it, the more that, you know, twin studies
don't support this at all. This is just because I've got a sample size of one. So I can plug in
sometimes called post hoc reasoning. You know, after the fact you do Monday morning quarterback,
you just make shit up. So the more I look at twin studies, something like
shyness, which my brother is a bit more shy, and extroversion, these are highly heritable traits.
You can see that identical twins are more similar than fraternal twins. So I would guess,
it's just my opinion, something to do with having a bit of ego, being a little bit arrogant. This
kind of lends itself to receiving compliments, whereas this kind of ego, being a little bit arrogant, this kind of lends itself to
receiving compliments, whereas this kind of trait of being a little bit modest, a little bit more
shy, a little bit, maybe a little bit more insecure, it's a spectrum, of course, this lends
itself more to kind of not receiving compliments on average. Right, but my counter to that, and of
course, yes, this is anecdotal, and it's not about a pity party. It's more about looking at the function, possible mechanism behind the brain that occurs in complimenting and receiving compliments. compliments on my music when people say i'm a musical genius like the the labels i work with
right when these executive guys say she's a genius i'm like fuck yeah i am fuck yeah finally
someone said it you know uh and that's how i feel i'm like say that say that shit again
repeat it please like write it on the, say it 10 times. I can never
get enough of that because I feel I'm being recognized for something that's real. And I'm
very comfortable when people say I'm a musical genius. Very comfortable in it. But I think the
disconnect here is like, it's probably neurological in what we're comfortable about with and what
we're what we're not it's probably more developmental than i understand there's a
some degree of insecurity and and confidence blah blah blah but at least in my anecdotal it seems to
be the case i you know what let's not go around in circles. So I'm curious, diligent. How do you feel about compliments? Do you like them generally? Are there some compliments you like and some that make you uncomfortable?
The only time I like to get a compliment is after I have had an intimate session with a woman.
Oh, that's the only time?
Yes.
Any other compliments make you uncomfortable or what's your reaction to them?
Yeah, they make me cringe inside.
See, this is interesting.
Is it too personal to ask you
don't have to answer but i'm curious like did your parents do a good job when you were raised of like
complimenting you or celebrating you oh absolutely not i grew up a hellish hellish childhood right
hitch it's not looking good because diligence not unconfident he's not an unconfident
person you know like he's built a whole fucking brand that's taking over fucking twitter you can't
do that when you're insecure so i wouldn't say he has the genetic um what what do you think hitch on our sample size of three yeah go ahead diligent i'll respond in a sec i want to hear your response
yeah i first just want to say congratulations and tiny we love you i actually don't have 20k yet i
had oh my god i do now yay. Yay. What do I do?
Where's the thing? You let Hitch finish and say thank you, Diligent.
Thank you, Diligent.
Okay.
Woohoo.
I had $19,999 before I started.
Go ahead, Hitch.
Sorry.
Do you want me to...
I've got a little soundboard here.
Do you want me to play something?
Yeah.
Can we get this over with?
Bow, bow, bow.
Well done, Zintani.
People think that I do that with my, just I say it.
No, I've got a soundboard streamed in through the phone.
First of all, you know, I've heard, I've heard that the compliment diligent normally gets after an intimate night
with women is, thank you, and then I hope I'll be able to walk tomorrow.
So just what I heard, don't know if it's true or not.
But yeah, sample size of three, right?
The way, not to get all boring, whatever, but the way you do it is you compare
identical with non-identical twins, and you see if the identical twins are more similar than the
non-identical twins. The more similar the identical twins are, the more genetics is involved.
The less similar the identical twins are on the trait, the less genes is involved.
So on a lot of these traits that we're talking about, they're highly heritable, which
means the identical twins are more similar, which means it's largely a genetic component, hashtag
not all. So my claim is a lot of the traits that people exhibit is not that much to do with how
they're raised and especially not to do with the shared environment. Just to be very brief, there's the genetic aspect,
there's the genetic contribution, the shared environment and the non-shared.
So pretty much the shared environment for most IQ and personality traits goes to zero.
The only place that shows effect size and variance is the genetics and the non-shared.
So non-shared is everything.
Who your teacher was. Did you hang
out with drug dealers? Did you date a 40-year-old woman when you were 17 and she coerced your mind?
So the shared environment doesn't explain very much, which is why I'm very skeptical.
Neurologically, I mean, this is just not. Listen, if you have a kid who has, and I'll acknowledge,
just not listen if you have a kid who has and i'll acknowledge most people's opinions and tastes
what they like and dislike like is largely genetic um however let's say you have a child
and they they genetically they love mangoes i i think i have that i fucking love mangoes
but let's say you take that child and every time you give them a
mango, you pinch them or hurt them in some way. You slap them, whatever. It doesn't matter. So
you do something bad every single time they eat a mango. That kid is not going to grow up liking
mangoes. I agree. But this is like saying if you cut off one of Usain Bolt's legs he's no longer a faster
runner yeah obviously so wait I well I I think I think I I have a running hypothesis here I want
to test it diligent can I can I do an experiment on you um does it involve touching me? Yes. Okay.
Um, I'm going to give you a compliment and I'm curious.
I refuse.
Let me just give you a compliment and then you tell me how it makes you feel
genuinely, but you have to be honest.
Do you consent?
Um, I mean,
I feel like you're going to do it anyway,
so just do it.
And then I'll just tell you that it makes me cringe because that's what's
going to happen.
Okay.
I think that you have exhibited.
Sorry.
I think you've exhibited a remarkable ability to think critically about your
opinions politically without being influenced by your surroundings,
which I think is rare. Everyone wants to believe that they are not a parrot and that they're
thinking for themselves, but in actuality, finding someone who can sit in a conversation between a Democrat and a Republican while being a Republican and
correct the Republican that they're with and say, actually, the Democrat is correct here
is remarkably rare, I think. How does that compliment? Does that make you cringe?
that compliment does that make you cringe while true it does also make me cringe okay my hypothesis
is botched i was thinking like maybe it's the fact that like if developmentally if a child feels they
have to prove themselves then compliments that adhere to what they have made as opposed to what they are would be more comfortable.
But Diligent just took a giant shit on that hypothesis.
I don't know.
There is something different about me, I guess.
I'm probably not a good use case because it makes me, i say cringe it just makes me feel uncomfortable for some reason um whenever
people do it which i've like it happens so much where i've kind of gotten a little bit more used
to it than um what i was but i still don't like it and i still try to shut it down um i just i i can't it's just like something in my core being
uh just as a not uh it does it does make it makes me uncomfortable no i do too that's why i was
saying that's why hitch and i are talking about this because hitch loves compliments and i generally
it makes me it makes me die inside um hitch slap will sometimes do spaces
and i worry about this one um because uh i imagine hitch slap is gonna say zentani's the greatest
she's the best and he's a great friend i'm not i'm not i'm not shitting on that but yeah
internally it fucking kills me inside so no I think
you're a great use case because we have three different people who respond to
compliments differently because I love the complimenting my work or like my
intelligence love those can't get enough so we have to we have the guy who loves all compliments is comfortable more than comfortable
in all of them can never get enough i never get enough with my work and we have diligent here who
is not comfortable with any i do just want to point out i don't seek them out but when people
give them to me genuinely of their own
accord i do love them yes i could uh go all day yeah but doesn't your like your fondness and your
overt appreciation for being complimented uh like trend for more compliments then when when people
see that that's how you're pleased?
Yes, but that doesn't affect my mindset.
You are correct.
If people observe that I like a compliment,
they're more likely to give me compliments.
I would just say I'm not obtuse to the fact,
like I'm not unaware,
but it's also in no way, shape or form my intention.
My intentions are never,
I'm going to react well so I get more of these.
I just react in an organic way.
And you are correct.
This will encourage people to give me more compliments.
But there's also a downside.
There's the dark side to accepting compliments.
You get people who get kind of angry.
It's weird.
In my 25K celebration space, there was a couple of people that were like,
can we stop with the fucking compliments?
Who do you think you are, Hitch? People were getting pissed off just because people were complimenting me.
And I say this in other spaces as well.
I fucking hate Hitch's space.
All they do is compliment each other.
Bro, listen, you're free to leave.
But yeah, so...
Hey, I don't take any compliments, and I get hated on his lap.
So I feel you. I feel you.
Yes, you are one of the most you know you and
charles murray two of the most unfairly maligned and attacked individuals to ever walk the earth
100 going through the crucible it's going through the crucible you know that's what's weird too
is i love when people hate me um i feel you're in love lot of it does feed me a little bit too like yeah i love
my haters they're my biggest fan they're obsessed with me i mean in a weird way that's where i get
my compliment i'm like oh they're talking about me again i have i got a little pep in my step when
you know people are like really shitting on me because I'm like, damn, I'm really influencing these people.
But for some reason, the other way around.
Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
Well, you know, what's funny is I hate haters.
I don't like haters at all.
They don't drive me.
Love them.
I hate it.
It's disgusting.
This reminds me of the conversation when we had you were talking about people going to bat for you when i see
people um and like if you don't know about it i think that's the best um but like when i see people
or who are trying to carry it like like if you have something you care about like so for you it's
like iq or i'm trying to think of like a cause that you like, right?
If you see people...
Stakes, maybe more stakes.
Yeah, then I don't know if that has a lot of substance to it.
Let's go with IQ.
But it's just like you try to get people to appreciate certain aspects of intellectuality.
So let's just go like that right so if you see people like on the timeline going to bat for those ideas on your behalf i probably
feels pretty good i think that's kind of like if i if i have to say there's like a kind of feedback
i get from other people it's when they go to bat for the
things that i care about that's probably as close to a compliment as i can uh stomach
so when it's not personal yeah when it's not about me
so okay maybe my hypothesis still holds if if if we were let's say it wasn't on a space it wasn't in front of people i said i said my
compliment to you would you appreciate it or would you would it still make you cringe
um it kind of makes me cringe on the timeline as well um but no i'm saying like if we were okay so you know you're talking about
your work when people when people like praise my spaces and it's thoughtful i often i'll quote
post it or repost it if i see it when i'm not all entrenched like i am right now i feel like i
haven't had the time to kind of give like the um the feedback to my listeners as i would like to but usually what
i'll do is is like if somebody praises the space in a thoughtful way like it's good feedback then
i'll quote post them or something because i do appreciate that kind of i really do when when my
work is appreciated um especially since it's like a real novel, novel thing on X, like X faces.
Then, you know, it's not just people like fucking around.
I don't know.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like it validates what the efforts, what I'm trying to do here.
Well, the hypothesis, then my hypothesis is going strong.
I'm curious, Henny, can we add you to the sample size?
Let's check in with Henny. He's sometimes working so Henny jump in otherwise we'll circle back to you.
He's probably working since...
He's in South Africa. He's busy being genocided right now. He might not be able to respond.
Well Henny if you could pause getting genocided
I have a question how do you feel about compliments do you like them all of them none of them some of
them can you guys can you guys hear me how's my volume is it all right now brother yeah go ahead
awesome awesome how's it diligent Hitchlap as an tini well i think
obviously for me it would probably be uh if i made you know bolognese for my children a compliment
would be nice at the end of the meal saying that that was really good um same with diligent uh you
know if i if i spoiled my wife a little bit more than what we usually do in the week, I would, I would fish for a compliment, but in my work, I'm very goal driven. So
someone compliments me, it would almost feel like, um, they underestimated me, but yeah,
that's just probably per, per situation. And then my second question, and feel free to say you're not comfortable divulging, because I'd rather you skip the question.
If you're not comfortable, then tell a lie.
But how with your parents, with your upbringing, do you feel they did a pretty good job of celebrating you, like birthdays and congratulating you and
I guess loving you or is that is that too intense?
Did your parents appreciate you properly growing up?
Um sure that is a deep question for a Saturday morning. I would say I was captain of our football team, I was
captain of our rugby team in, you know, first teams in school. So I didn't again look for
compliments, but my parents, my dad especially, because he was a professional athlete himself, he would compliment me a lot.
My mom, not so much.
I think she was more like with the whip in the hand, you know, do better, do better.
Okay.
So the compliments were tied to things you did.
But were you complimented for just being sort of like, you know, like birthdays where you're celebrated just for existing?
No, birthdays went big in our house for some reason.
Now with my wife and our children, yeah, definitely.
I mean, we make a massive deal out of it.
make a massive deal out of it.
But growing up, there was no, there was no like, you know, you wake up even on a Wednesday
morning with a birthday cake and a present kind of thing.
That wasn't a thing.
Hedge slaps, not looking good for you, bud.
Well, again, you know, very small.
Even if you got 11 people on here, this is not a very big sample size.
Well, how many? We could do this. We could turn this into a study.
Yeah, generally 100. Generally, if you can get a sample over 100, that's very good.
It's decent.
Well, we got four. So we just need, you know. And now I got 20,000.
Yes, 20,000 people, that's for sure.
I can ask 100 people.
So if you can, Zantani, just so everybody's clear,
state your hypothesis, and then if you can, you know,
clarify how what Henny said and Dilgent said
supports your hypothesis.
Well, I don't, maybe we shouldn't do that
because that might
influence the way people answer hitch maybe someone's like i just want to be a contrarian
you know actually maybe maybe you know okay i'll state it but i do want to do this study
i just don't want it to be influenced by um any fuck-ups like isn't it a double blind is the best but yeah so beyond the four we've asked
um we'll just count these four but we can keep asking just for fun but i don't want to count
them from here my okay so the hypothesis is so i love i don't like compliments, most of them.
Hitchlap loves them.
Hitchlap thinks that the comfortability with compliments is more genetic.
It's more heritable.
Is that the word you use?
Correct.
Yeah, it's a heritable trait.
And I think many things are heritable way more than people are comfortable with.
And I agree with Hitch most of the time.
But my running hypothesis is it's probably something to do with the nurture aspect of how you develop neurologically as a child and what you're taught you're allowed to be comfortable with.
child and what you're what you're taught you're allowed to be comfortable with and and thus far
of the four people it seems to be that there's like two main types at least from the four there's
the type that is comfortable with compliments of what they have done what they've created
and there's people who are comfortable with compliments of like,
you're just the best of what they are.
I do have to point out there's some confounding here.
And again, I'll keep it very simple.
But you often see when if the dad goes to jail,
say he robs a bank, whatever, he goes to jail,
the son will also grow up to often become violent, aggressive,
and, you know, commit crime. And people say, oh, it's because he saw his dad do it. Oh, there was no dad in the
house. Now, it's true having a dad in the house is better, but confounding is the same genes that
were in a dad that made him rob a bank or encouraged him or made it more likely are also in the kid.
So you just mentioned kind of, you know, if you were raised to be taught, it's okay to
receive compliments. The question is, there's a genetic predilection and predisposition that is
contributing to the parents' actions to say, hey, this is okay, that's not okay. So there's some
confounding here. It's not just how you were told, you know, you're told that because that's,
your parents have genes. how do we they pass
those genes to you as well then how do we do this test um yeah so if it's not falsifiable hitch
okay because i hear what you're saying but yeah you do it with twin studies and effect size
so give me a fucking break well that's impossible's impossible to – we can't get 100.
So it is basically non-falsifiable, this idea.
No, it's not falsifiable.
It's basically.
Not in this space, but it is falsifiable with twin studies.
But me and you can't do a twin study in this space, obviously.
But it can be falsified.
You can look at effect sizes and correlations with large samples. So, yes, it can be falsified, but study in this space, obviously. But it can be falsified. You can look at effect sizes and correlations with large samples.
So yes, it can be falsified, but not in this space.
I'm trying to think, is there no other way to do this?
Yeah, the way that we could do it is we'd have to know the heritability of the percentage.
So height, the heritability of height is 90%, heritability of IQ is 80%.
So we'd have to know the heritability and then we'd have to do some calculations based
on the answers people give us.
No, well, the one thing I'd say is like, so at least in my case, it should be useful because my mom loved compliments
and loved giving compliments and loved complimenting me, but unfortunately was not around long enough
to, I'd say, have an impact.
Yeah, the other thing that's complicated is, again, I'm trying to get it, it's very
simple, but gene recombination.
The reason that you have five children and...
Did you cut out or did I cut out?
He cut out.
Oh, no.
Did you update your app yesterday, Zantini?
Zantini?
I don't know.
I think it's supposed to do it automatically, isn't it?
I have to manually do it, but maybe I have it set to manually do it.
But I just know that my co-host kept dropping yesterday up and down, up and down until I updated and reset my phone.
Oh, no no let me check
um no I'm updated oh no I'm not okay so how do I do this can I do it you have a
second do you have a second device like a computer
no you don't have another phone a tablet a nothing
no you don't have a computer there's no way you just have a phone
I just moved into um this I have a computer but I'm also in the bathtub.
Well, I would just try to see if you can get away with it for now.
But without closing your space, the way to do it would be to go to your computer, log into the app, sign into the space, right?
So you'd close out of it, then sign into it, and then switch back to your phone um there he is
i don't want to get out of the bathtub then don't worry about it just yeah don't get out
of the bathtub girl hey this is my this is my 20k celebration space i need to get out of the bathtub
it's in time it's probably me i should say as well uh it's true you should update your app at This is my 20K celebration space. I need to get it out of the bathtub.
Zintan, it's probably me, I should say, as well.
It's true you should update your app at some point,
but I think it was probably me.
Okay, we'll try again.
We're only going for an hour.
Correct, correct.
I'll just finish briefly.
You have five children, and I apologize if I'm talking.
I couldn't hear anyone.
You have five siblings. They're all completely different. Anyone who's come from a big family knows this. And that's because siblings only share 50% of their genes, because they get a
different set of genes. Each sibling gets a different set or combination of genes, just like
with a deck of cards. If you mix two different decks of cards, you'll get different combinations
of cards from each deck. So it's true, there's the parents giving the genes to the children there's also the the reason that um siblings are different
because the gene so it's hard to separate um you know what happened in the environment versus what
is like you mentioned you and your mom right for example you said my mom was um one way i'm a
different way so even if you guys were raised completely apart or completely together,
you are still sharing a different set of genes. You've got half your genes from mom,
half your genes from your dad. So you're only half like your mom. So it's not clear if it's environment or genetics. That's why you- I mean, I just, hold on, wait, my brain is hurting. So I
understand the idea of like genetic whatever. But when I think about it, it's like I am comfortable with specifically compliments that I was given growing up.
Like when I was a kid, I heard how smart I was all the time.
Well, because I was in school, I was getting 100% when I wasn't even trying.
So I was always hearing how smart I was.
And I'm very comfortable with those types of compliments. Yeah. I mean, hold on. My brain is hurting, trying to dissect,
um, the, the semantics of, uh, what you're saying, but I understand you're saying,
God, this is complex, isn't it? Hold on. on wait what is the point i'm trying to make so
you okay but wait hold on let me form this in my brain so you're saying that um that if it is a gene
then the parents are going to have the gene where you know they don't give compliments and don't
get compliments i don't think these are the same thing though. I don't think these are the same thing, though, Hitch.
I don't think that's the same gene.
I think, like, because I'm very comfortable giving compliments.
So the idea that a parent is not going to compliment their kid
because of a gene that they're not comfortable being complimented,
I don't think that does track.
Does it?
There's causes, and we're probably not going to be able
to establish causation, but we can look at links and correlations.
No, but what you're saying with confounding,
what you're saying with the dad beat up a...
Okay, yeah.
It's not the same thing, though.
There's two things going on.
So you made the statement, I like compliments, but my mom doesn't or vice versa.
Whatever you said.
And, you know, one entirely genetic explanation is that you only have half of your mom's genes.
Half you got from your mom, half you got from your dad.
So it could be, by the way, I should say, I'm keeping this very straightforward, but
traits normally have thousands of genes. It's not one gene. So thousands of genes work together. That's called polygenics.
So, you know, you could have, you know, your mom could have the genes which make her like it,
but she only gave you half her genes. So you might've missed out on the genes that she has
that make her like it, if that makes sense, because you only get half your genes from your
mom, half from your dad.
So she might have the gene that likes to compliment,
but she didn't give that gene to you.
You got that gene, you got it from your dad.
And maybe your dad has the opposite, if that makes sense.
Right.
But what I'm saying is this doesn't, that what you're saying,
it doesn't follow through with negating.
Right.
Yeah. Specifically, because what i'm saying is like the we're not talking about the same gene we're asking people did you get
complimented for these things when you were growing up did your parents make a big deal
celebrating your birthday did they do these things for you and these are not if it if it is many genes whatever it's
not the same set of genes that would be being comfortable with compliments and being comfortable
giving compliments these are not correct so there's giving compliments so receiving compliments yes
right so what's wrong with my study here?
Yeah, the problem is, so let's imagine two scenarios.
One scenario where you give the kid compliments.
One scenario where the kid is raised well, you give him compliments and he likes it.
Another scenario where you don't give the kid compliments and he is or is not raised well and he does or doesn't like it
there's like multiple vectors right where you where you can have multiple scenarios kind of
like a coin toss what i'm saying is yes giving and receiving compliments are probably different
sets of genes but how do you know that the kid doesn't like receiving compliments because of how you treated him
or because of the genes that you gave him. Now, the parent, let's say the parent also
doesn't like compliments, then that's going to affect, it's going to have some role on how they
deliver compliments as well. Because, you know, if I don't like well done steaks, I'm not going to
give anyone else well done steaks. If I don't like well done stakes, I'm not going to give anyone else well done stakes.
If I don't like when people swear, I'm not going to swear.
So these things, although there's, you know, a lot of overlap, I'm not saying it's 100% overlap.
But, you know, whether or not you like compliments will have an impact on whether or not you give them or not.
So that's what I'm saying.
I don't think so.
I don't think these are the, I think maybe a way to counter or maybe a way to, I hear what you'm saying I don't think so I don't think these are the I think maybe a way to counter
or maybe a way to I hear what you're saying but maybe the next question we should ask
in our in our little study is how comfortable are you giving compliments I agree over time
great question over time um if there is some congruency there,
if people who are uncomfortable with getting them are comfortable giving them,
I think it goes in my favour.
And if they don't, it goes in your favour.
You go first, right?
I like to receive them and I like to give them.
What about you?
I love giving meaningful compliments.
Yes.
And you like receiving meaningful compliments too, is that correct?
I'm trying to think if I love giving the types of compliments
that you like receiving. And if I'm being the types of compliments that you like receiving,
and if I'm being honest,
I don't know how to answer that, actually.
I think you guys are overthinking this.
I think we all love receiving compliments.
Okay, well, we can go to Adrian. I wanted to go to Sally next. We all love receiving compliments. No. Okay.
Well, we can go to Adrian.
I wanted to go to Sally next.
Let me, let me, Sally, are you here?
Sally may be out in the garden, but I can say very, very clearly.
No, I had a finished pen.
Didn't want to do it with my mic opened.
Hello.
We wanted to hear that. Sally, people normally pay money for that so be careful
Sally
Do you consent to
Experiment
About compliments
I'm going to ask you some personal
Questions
How personal Very personal And you don't have to answer I'm going to ask you some personal questions. Well, how personal?
Very personal.
And you don't have to answer.
Let's experiment away.
Let's see.
I can say I'll plead the fifth if I need to.
Okay.
First question.
How do you feel about compliments?
Do you like them or dislike them?
Do I like or dislike compliments it depends on the
compliment I do not like being complimented on looks that much but I like being complimented
on like intelligence or like things that I do well like I like those type of compliments um
yeah and okay you you answered my next question too and then the next question is um when you
were growing up did your parents do a good job of complimenting your beauty did they tell you
you were pretty often i don't know if they ever said that there was a pretty i don't know if they ever said that there was a pretty, I don't know if they ever said I was pretty.
I don't know.
That's kind of, I'm trying to think back.
My mom, my mom, I, yeah, but my mother was more on like body image, not necessarily looks, looks.
She would always compliment weight gain or weight loss, but not necessarily you're pretty or beautiful.
No, not very much.
Not looking good, Hitch.
Okay, Sally.
And then the last question is, how do you feel about giving compliments on beauty?
I will give a genuine compliment on beauty if the person's pretty if not then i don't
compliment or i don't say anything i don't say you're ugly i don't say you're fat i just don't
say anything but i will compliment someone that's stunning or gorgeous
yeah and you're you're comfortable you're comfortable giving those absolutely someone
like i go through scroll through and someone posts a picture and i'm like oh man you look handsome or you know or even if you could see that they try
to you know take a good picture or present themselves well it's like find something to
compliment them about like i don't know make them feel good i don't know i really like making people
feel good you know so far in my sample size of five,
I think I'm winning.
Hitch?
I will never recover from this.
Right here on a public space, I'm getting torched.
I'm getting destroyed.
BTFO'd.
I may leave the platform.
This is embarrassing for you.
This is very, very embarrassing. you know robert robert floeman
stewart ritchie uh all these people engaging in twin studies bro that when they hear this space
they're gonna be absolutely shocked i really don't think we'd need twin studies for this though
specifically because again like sally just you know these aren't the same genes
you know the giving compliments she's very comfortable giving compliments
about other people's beauty but she doesn't like receiving it
yeah i would use the term overlap if you think of two overlapping distributions or bell curves
um if they don't touch each other, they're completely
separate. If they're identical, they're the same thing. And if they're halfway in between,
then they overlap. So I'd say there's, in my opinion, a lot of overlap between how people
perceive sending and receiving or giving and receiving the compliments. And I'll just give
the example of lying. Some people lie all the time, but they get upset when other people lie,
right? So we get it. There's some disconnect there. The overlap is small. But I would say
in most cases, people who hate, not all, because there's mental illness, there's a lot of stuff
going on. People who hate liars are less likely to lie themselves. That would be my claim. And
I'd say it's the same with compliments people who like receiving compliments are more likely to give them probability uh probabilistic not deterministic and people
who don't like receiving them are probably less likely to give them that's my claim
i i think i think i think your claim is probably wrong but i mean that's a whole other
that would that would be another That would be another study.
This differentiation or like finding the genes between...
Okay, Adrian. Adrian, what's up?
Yes, hello, Zintani.
Thank you for the mic.
And I apologize for my few small outbursts there.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
You know, I was patiently waiting with my hand up.
Now, Zintani, since this is your 20,000 celebration space,
I, in fact, have a very pointed question towards you.
I'm sorry if I'm breaking this, you know, talk about compliments and like the over intellectualization of it.
So we are we're very busy posturing our intelligence.
Oh, no, absolutely.
This is our way of complimenting ourselves.
Yeah.
Oh, fantastic.
You can interrupt
Alright well
Here's my very pointed question to you
So there was a video that you had put out
I don't know maybe like a year or two ago
It's you in a frog suit
And it's like
You know
The audio is
How does it go again?
It's like
She's an idiot
She has nothing to say ever
I knew she was just gonna do bullshit
She needs attention
She needs dick, she needs a boyfriend
And I'm not her boyfriend
And I'm not gonna fuck her
And no one
But maybe you'll simp for her.
She needs something.
And it comes in the form of a.
And then it almost says penis.
But it doesn't say penis.
So Zintani here's my question to you.
How does everyone remember that?
That's fantastic.
It's absolutely wonderful.
Here's my question.
So I have actually used that audio just the audio of it
in one of my spaces well quite a few of my spaces because it's very apt a lot of the time um is that
mark duplass who's saying that who is saying that like where is the source of the audio
because it sounds like mark duplass It's a Polly
I actually put context
So in the comments
I made a
Comment saying context
And if you click on that
It'll take you somewhere and then you go
Into the comments of that and I'll say
Context and it'll take you it'll keep
Going down to the beginning the origin
Of that
Many layers many layers Many down to the beginning, the origin of that.
Many layers, many layers.
Many layers to the Polly drama.
No, that video was, it was a blow for me.
That was heavy psychological warfare you witnessed.
Oh, okay.
Between me and Polly.
Bye-bye, Polly.
I just found it funny, right?
So, I mean.
No, he was going after me, so it was a good way to defuse his bullshit.
Right.
So, that is somebody called Polly who is talking in that.
Is that correct?
Yeah, and he's gone. Bye, Pauly. Okay, so, I mean, Pauly sounds very much like Mark Duplass. Would you agree?
I don't know who that is.
You don't know who Mark Duplass is?
I don't.
Wow, okay. Never mind.
No, I'm sorry to disappoint you
Yeah
No he's just some idiot
He was just a
He was just a loser
He's gone
Okay so in terms of like
Contextualizing this
So he had put
That audio about Out about you and then you responded by
putting the audio over top of the video in you in the frog suit which is wonderful by the way
i think it's absolutely hilarious i mean my god right absolutely wonderful
there was a long back and forth there was a whole war that was one small battle in a
in a long war of the poly versus sintani chronicles oh my goodness where i reigned victorious as i
always do wonderful wonderful well i celebrate you, and that is fantastic.
I guess this is a very apropos at your 20K celebration space that we, you know, rehash this, I guess.
I mean, you know, a little bit.
I don't know.
Maybe it's not something you don't want to rehash. I don't know. I mean, you have, a little bit, I don't know. Maybe it's not something you don't want to rehash.
I don't know.
Like, I mean, you.
No, I'm happy to rehash.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've had a number of, um, I always say it's like, it's funny.
Like I don't have any enemies cause they're all gone.
Bye.
Bye.
Oh, wow.
You vanquished them, right?
I did.
I, I, I have. Oh, wow. You vanquished them, right? I did. I have.
It's funny.
Everyone who throws shots at me, they just, the shots come ricocheting back.
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
I celebrate you for that fact as well, Zintani.
well Zintani.
It's great to be
Zintani on
July 26th,
2005.
2005.
You mean 2025, right?
2025.
Perfect. I don't know what day it is.
I think you just said
it right. 26th of July?
26th of July, 2025.
Boom.
Great day to be me.
You know, it's fantastic.
So if I may dig into this a little bit more, Zantini,
So if I may dig into this a little bit more, Zantini, what was the context of that whole monologue that this character who no longer exists because you vanquished him utterly?
What was the context of that?
I think he vanquished himself.
I think he vanquished himself.
Like, I think he threw shots at a lot of people that you shouldn't throw shots at,
and that he just vanquished himself, really.
And that's what I think it really is.
It's not that I'm vanquishing my enemies, it's that all my enemies are retarded.
So, like, if you've got a problem with me, you are a retard.
Like, you're going to destroy your own life.
But this would probably be boring but there was a coin pepe coin and um i went into some space and i was like what's pepe
coin and they're like it's the best thing ever as they always do and i was like who made it
you know i was just asking questions about it
um and they all freaked out because i was asking questions because i don't know how many people in
here know anything about crypto or how it works but in any market the market value is determined
by the market so if people have a negative opinion of whatever it is um then the value of that thing
is going to go down so however if you're an investor anyway right like well if they're buying
anyway then the sentiment is high so but if you but if you're an investor um and you're thinking
about buying something then it's reasonable to ask questions
about like what is this project who started it blah blah blah blah blah and that's all I was doing
and they all freaked out because that's fud and um they didn't have good answers so you know Pepe
is very high um but they didn't have the answers so it made them look stupid so they all had like this huge blowout
with me and Polly was running a lot of that Pepe coin and they were like giving me death threats
what the fuck ever so I made a video where I was dancing and I was like Pepe sucks ass we hate Pepe
fuck Pepe and I was just like 1v i want to say like thousands of people thousands of people
coming at me i was like fuck pepe what are you gonna do about it like what because what are they
going to do about no one can do anything about it so polly then got very upset and he would um
sort of like internet stalk me he'd check my my tweets every day but he wouldn't follow me
and i i was just so i was just having fun with that we had a back and forth and you know
and i won yeah no that's fantastic so wait so wait he was checking your tweets but not
following you so it's like yeah so i'd point that out i'd be like paulie
you're my biggest fan you know what why don't you just follow me you check all of my tweets
yeah you know so we had a back and forth like that so that's what led to that space where
right i came up in one of his space and that's that's what i was gonna say is like paulie
my biggest fan what's up my my guy? But he muted me instead
Now, would you consider that
To be passive-aggressive behavior
Or no?
From me? Or him?
No, from him
Oh yeah, he's a little baby
Pauly's a little baby boy
He's pregnant
That was the last tweet I made.
That was the final blow.
Oh, my goodness.
Wow.
He was pregnant, so the hormones were, you know, I can't shit on him too much.
Oh, okay.
Right.
So he is a he, but biologically a she?
Is that correct?
No, he's a he, but he was also pregnant at that time.
Uh, okay.
His right budding breasts full of milk.
You can see it in my final blow tweet, which is not in the, yeah.
So he was not physically pregnant, right? Is that correct?
Well, I leave it up to the jury to decide.
The evidence is overwhelming that he was, in fact, pregnant.
Why? Because of these lactating breasts?
His lactating, budding breasts, the belly.
You can see the way he speaks, the way he walks.
Yeah.
Okay, so it's an inference of pregnancy.
Is that correct?
Yes.
I was not at the doctor's office with him.
But from what I've seen, it did seem to be the case.
I don't know if he's still pregnant.
I don't know where he is.
I don't think anyone knows what happened to Pauly.
Okay, so he's vanished.
Is that correct?
He's out of here.
Unless he's back.
I don't know.
I see Ball was spamming thumbs down.
Is this in defense of Pauly or what?
I know.
Perhaps he's a buddy of Pauly, right?
Hey, thanks.
Thanks, everyone.
Nice to be with you.
I just wanted to say real quick and then I'll get going.
Sorry for, or I know you're a trolls in Tani, but like, yeah, I appreciate what you're doing.
I think I get what you're doing.
So I just wanted to say that.
Thanks for the space.
Wait, what were the thumbs down for?
I'm just expressive.
Don't take it personally.
I didn't mean anything by the thumbs down.
I've noticed whenever someone says don't take it personally,
that's when it is.
It's like the only time it's personal actually is when people say not to take
it personally.
He dropped down, but yes, I've noticed this as well.
Hey, not to be rude.
And then they say something rude every single time.
Delafoney one every single fucking
time without fail 100 one correlation perfect thing i i have this one dude in the back channels
that like is really fucking mean to me and he always says it's not personal and then he says
the most heinous deplorable shit yeah there. Yeah, there's another guy I know.
He's like, I'm fine.
It's no big deal.
It's no big deal.
I'm completely fine.
And then he'll whinge about it for weeks,
or he'll go on a one-hour tirade.
So I don't know if people have just a lack of self-awareness sometimes,
but if you say it's fine and it can't-
They absolutely have a lack of self-awareness give
me one second adrian if you say it's fine and you complain about it for three hours straight
uh it's obviously not fine so yeah these people very very strange
yeah well it's like something to do with being non-confrontational because those people are the
most confrontational people on the fucking planet
because it's like dude i know you have a problem you're making problems but you you don't want to
talk about it it's like these people they'll say like i don't like drama i don't like confrontation
but it's like okay but you're you're creating the the need for the confronting.
I've noticed as well some people are bad at lying.
So they think they're bad at calibrating lies in terms of what will be believed.
So if a lie is too obvious, you get a big benefit, but no one will believe it.
And if the lie is too small, everyone will believe it, but you won't get the benefit.
So you need to calibrate.
If you are going to lie, you need to calibrate.
And some people are just terrible at calibrating lies.
They think, oh, I've tricked everyone by telling them that I'm fine.
And then they don't get, well, complaining for an hour is going to,
you know, give you away.
So we're also talking about this on the Space with MV, right, Zintani?
You know, people are projecting, you know.
The dollar store version when you're a kid what you say is what you are but it's really like you watch what
people say and they're often uh talking about themselves so yeah we're alluding to this with
the jungian archetypes uh yeah it's the biggest is the people who complain about the stuff it's
often they're doing that thing themselves many such cases isn't it just easier to tell the truth
and let it set you free everyone i agree sometimes you can't tell the truth sometimes you just have
to well just don't say anything right but sometimes you can't just always tell the truth
because it'll get in heart trouble well then you simply say nothing, right? I think that's what I said.
Yeah, I definitely, like, I can't stand the passive-aggressive tactics.
There's certain things, especially gossiping behind people's backs.
I have no tolerance for this because I don't engage in it.
And that's another reason I super don't have tolerance for it is because I could. I could absolutely go into people. It's that I'm not interested in the cloak and dagger thing.
But I will say in terms of silently holding resentment,
resentment i will some i am guilty of this sometimes but only in cases where i've determined
I am guilty of this sometimes,
the other person does not understand me and trying to talk about it will not work in those cases i
will be quote non-confrontational because if i've determined like this will just create drama if i
try to confront it there's no working with this person.
Or is it that you just think it's not worth your time?
Both.
Both.
Right.
Like this is something where like in the autism diagnosis makes a lot of sense.
There are many instances where someone just does not understand me and they're not going to understand me.
So in those instances, particularly if it's something to do with what I now know is autism,
if like I've said something and I didn't mean harm by it genuinely,
and they cannot grasp that I didn't mean harm by it in those cases I will just go silent yeah
because it is a waste of time yeah it is a waste of time it causes more drama and they continue it
it's almost like if someone has narcissistic traits that are profound they they the more you
feed it the more it continues and
you just give them more ammunition to use against you. And so the best way is, and it drives them
absolutely batshit crazy when you ignore them and you don't give them that attention. Like to me,
it's the best revenge. You're letting them know that I know who and what they are. And I just
don't say anything to anyone. I just keep it it to myself there's very few people that I will warn about people and it's the people that are in my small
circle I'll say hey watch out for this person I won't tell them why I will just say use your
observational skills and come up with your own conclusions that's it's but it is it's it's amazing
that even to this day one of the people that I've done this to still figures out a way to talk about me it's amazing yeah i'll do that too if i determine someone is like genuinely a bad actor
um i'm trying i'm trying to see because we're all hypocrites in some way like anytime you say like
don't do this thing but what i will stand by is like, I know the difference between like,
this is a bad actor. And like, in the case of like, Hitch, where I don't think Hitch minds me
saying this, we had a pub of what was public, we had a fight or whatever. And H hitch and i are good friends but we had a fight on a space or whatever
and i didn't you know i know the difference between like hitch slap is a narcissist psychopath
and i need to warn people about him and um this guy's just fucking pissing me off you know like
which he only only happened once and i pissed him off so but like the
the idea of like you have a friend and you have a falling out and maybe there's hurt feelings on
both ends there and then you go around gossiping and saying oh hitch slap hitch slap is a evil
narcissist psychopath in the dms of people I mean this kind of thing
Is like really
Really grates on me
Now Zintani is Hitchslap
A playful psychopath
Or is he truly just a
Horrendous psychopath
Hitchslap
Is not a psychopath at all
If I have any
Diagnostic Not even a playful one No Hitch Slap is not a psych about that at all. If I have any diagnostic.
Not even a playful one.
Not even playful.
Not even a playful one, no.
And when I do hear people spreading rumors about Hitch Slap, truly what it is, what I've seen is Hitch is growing a brand.
It's incredibly successful.
And it's growing quickly, but it's growing not just quickly, but strongly. He's growing a very strong brand. And so people know
that and they want to get in good with Hitch's always power dynamics at play with like or at
least i am of the belief that any two people you meet there is a power dynamic there this is how i
see the world there's always a power dynamic and in the case with someone that is growing
in the case of someone that is growing and you catch them when they're small, there's sort of a sense of like the person, the leech, um,
of the power dynamic, the one who's hoping to gain. I'm not saying even that, uh, these aren't
your friends either. It's like you can leech off of someone and benefit your life and also benefit their life. So I'm not meaning to oversimplify this at all.
I'm just saying that what I notice is happening is there's people that I think that want to get in with Hitch when he's smaller and then have an expectation of like, well, I supported you at this time.
So now you owe me this this and this and if
he does not appease all of those requests then they'll attack him that I've noticed this and
this is not exclusive to hitch this is anyone who's growing anything I don't fuck with people
I just let it finish away for a gap um go ahead Zintani yeah i know i know i'm talking a lot but
no no yeah it's not it's not exclusive to hitch i think power dynamics are always present
and i think because of my autism i like to have it out in the open um especially if i'm close to
people i'll be like like here's what i'm using you for. Here's what you're using me for.
What is it?
Who has more power in our dynamic?
What are the boundaries?
What are the expectations?
Blah, blah, blah.
I like being really upfront about it.
But I know it makes people uncomfortable to sort of say things like, oh, well, this friendship
is transactional.
I hate to break it to you guys.
All of your friendships are transactional.
I don't think there's an escape from it.
Even a parent-child dynamic, that parent is getting purpose in life off of the child.
Being needed is incredibly powerful.
And there's a power dynamic dynamic and it's transactional.
This is just how I see things.
But transactional does not mean bad.
It does not mean you can't love someone or genuinely care about them.
In fact, it's part of the transaction is caring about someone and loving them.
I want Sally to jump in very brief because she hasn't spoken much.
I love what you're saying. I definitely want to hear from you. So I'll let Sally get in
there. Go ahead, Sally. I just want to say that, Adrian, you should go to Hitch Slaps,
learn how to speak in spaces. He does them Tuesday mornings, extremely early my time.
I think it's like, I can't even remember what time. But there's one rule that we have. You
never, ever, ever speak over a host or a co-host.
So if they are speaking, you just do not speak over the top of them.
That's just 101, 101, 101.
And if you're not speaking, make sure you leave your mic muted.
Because a lot of times it creates a feedback that makes people's ears bleed, especially mine.
Because I have Miss Novia, which is actually a real thing that where sounds are so annoying
that I, and it's part of my ADD. When there's two sounds competing against someone's voice,
it's very hard. That's why I raised my hand. I did have something else more important to say,
but I lost it. You were talking about people, you know, getting in good with people when they're
early, talking behind people's backs, spreading rumors and people that, you know,
when you don't trust them, you just stay away from them. Yes. Thank you, H. Lep. And, and,
and I kind of like what Zantani was saying about having it out up front, right? This is probably,
this is probably my Scorpio personality is to watch, observe, observe people a lot before I
interact with them, especially even in spaces. I won't joke with
someone unless I know them because I know their boundaries. I can kind of gauge what would upset
them, what wouldn't upset them. So if I am engaging with someone and I'm joking with you, it's because
I know you. So if you take it personal, then I will apologize because my intent is never to offend.
But the whole people climbing, I've seen this so much on this app where they will, they will love bomb you.
They'll get in your good graces. They won't be your best friend. They want to be your co-host
or they won't be speakers or they want this or that. But as soon as they get what they want,
then they stab you and they climb over the top of you. And then they slander you. They try to
destroy you. They try to drag you down. I don't want any part of that.
Guys, don't be that person. And I will tell you, I've known Hyschlab since he's had 7,000 followers.
And I've watched these people grow. And I've seen people who've never changed. They're
consistent over time. And I observed that. So when i do know that someone says something about
a person i'm gonna nip it in the butt right away because i'm like no that's that's not this person
at all and it's not just when you're in a space it's consistency through dms or consistency through
a voicemail you could tell when someone is genuinely who they are when they don't change
from space to space from dm group to dm group and this is why i don't go into female dm groups if
i go get invited to all females i either do not participate or i leave zentonis has a has a quite a
quite a few women in hers but but i haven't experienced the cattyness but that's why she
chooses good people but there's i usually wait in what the oligarchyarchy. In the secret oligarchy chat with 10 people?
Yeah, but I don't like big chat groups.
There's too much drama.
There's too much.
I don't even like people talking negative about other people in my DM group for my subscribers.
There's a rule.
You talk about people that are in here to defend themselves, you're going to get booted.
If you take a screen recording or a screenshot in here and i find out you're booted and you'll get blocked
and i don't care if you unsubscribe to me because i value integrity and being kind to people and
it just it just brings the whole vibe of a room down um but yeah that's all i got and i i'm glitched
so i'm gonna switch down to um listener please bring me because I can't mute my mic. So praise just send me the co-host from listener.
Damn.
Okay.
And when people talk shit, it always comes out anyway,
because they're very hard to keep a secret.
Even if everybody agrees to keep it a secret,
people will find out eventually anyway.
So yeah, it's very sad.
I mean, truly though.
It's like I always see that stuff and it's why i don't
want fame um i in fact i've i've gone to great lengths to avoid it because i've had a number
of instances where i would i sort of was starting to come into fame without meaning to many times and i noticed um like all of that drama that
happens the way i see it is it's it's just a calibration of hierarchies like hierarchies form
when i talk about like power dynamics i and i love that at least here it's being received well
because usually when i talk about this,
it makes people so uncomfortable.
But again, I don't know if this is a neurotypical thing or an autistic thing or what the fuck
ever, but I noticed very young that every friend group, every friend group has a hierarchy.
There's a person at the top.
There's a guy at the bottom who's like almost
getting kicked out all the time that everyone kind of bullies like there's all there's the
the jokester trope depending on how big the group is they will calibrate to form sort of the same
type of hierarchy with the comedic relief you have the. You have the fake leader too. There's like an antichrist who's like
the big macho guy or the testosterone guy, but no one respects that guy. No one listens. You know,
there's always a leader and the leader is not always obvious, but it's the guy everyone listens
to. As in, if the guy everyone listens to says says i don't like that guy and everyone immediately
also doesn't like that guy that's that's the guy that's the leader and i i noticed this looking in
hierarchies and i also noticed which is even more peculiar if you ask neurotypical people about
their own hierarchy if you say like hey how do you feel about being on the lower end
of this hierarchy they'll insist my friends no we're there there is no leader we're all just a
bunch of friends but like in their body language they know where they are in the hierarchy they
respond in submission to the their their alpha really like we're animals and i noticed neurotypical people
they know exactly where they are in the hierarchy instinctually they don't know it always
cognitively but but i don't know if it's hormones or pheromones or what the fuck ever everyone knows
instinctually and i know i've been talking a lot but this is interesting
me it's my own space so it's the only time i get to rant about this i did a little test
and even more than this i did a little i you, okay, like let's say a power
dynamic has been established and a person submits to you, they'll show you in their body language
that they submit to you. You can see it if you look for it if you convince that person that they have power over you they're very first
of all very likely to believe it Machiavelli talks about this I swear I can't remember if it's
Machiavelli or who the fuck but it's like manipulation tactic books talk about this right
I'm not here when I talk about this stuff it's not because I'm manipulating people. It's because I'm curious about people.
But I have tested this out where I'll convince a person that they have power over me.
But the interesting thing is their body language will continue submitting to me,
even though cognitively in their mind they'll say,
I have full power over this person.
So even, you know know if you want to know
Where you stand with someone
Look at their body language
You know do they sort of bow
To you
Even if they think they're above you
If they sort of you know
Adhere to your
If you stomp in the room and they sort of
In their body they you know cower
A little bit
Yeah they're your bitch It's too much energy you stomp in the room and they sort of in their body they you know cower a little bit um yeah
they're your bitch it's too much energy i just avoid if i think someone's working against me i
don't want to you know i've got better things to do with my time and energy than try to defeat them
in the back channels by gossip i just want to uh stay away from you stay away from me i'll stay
away from you i won't say anything bad about you just stay away from you. Stay away from me. I'll stay away from you. I won't say anything bad about you. Just stay away from me.
So it's too much energy to engage in this.
Oh, I'm not going to rally the 16 people I know.
I'm going to plant seeds.
I'm going to tell them all the secret.
No, this is too much bullshit.
And maybe this is, I don't know, just a kind of more masculine trait.
But I just listen.
If someone's talking shit about me, doesn't like me,
I just separate myself from them.
They stay on their side of the playground.
I'll stay on mine.
It's too much energy you should be putting your energy
in learning doing push-ups uh eating steaks all that good stuff don't waste the gossiping
about people but Zantani that also might be their kink because some people have the kink of
uh of the illusion of control when they are not actually in control. And so just like there's those guys who have a
kink of some woman spending their money, there's all sorts of kinks. And so there's never any real
cheat on the human psyche because some people have some weird gratification that they're
drawing from something that the average human wouldn't draw gratification from.
Well, you know, this goes into it, too, is like, and this is why I'm so interested, because it's so nuanced.
It's not as simple as, like, to say what Hitchlap said there.
He said, you stay on your side of the playground, I stay on mine.
Well, Hitchlap is the alpha in these dynamics with the
drama and the gossip and whatever. But he's also, if he's the ruler or at the top of the hierarchy,
he's a very kind, amicable leader. So he will see things in his own mind as this is my side
of the playground. This is your side of the playground this is your side of the playground but that
statement in itself it's not fully honest because it's actually his playground and they're dying to
be in it and causing problems in order to you know this is my jungle gym no it's not it it's
hitch slaps jungle gym and you're getting upset because he needs to use it sometimes, you know, but he built it.
Sorry, Sally. No, I was just going to say that it's I read the book when I was going to like
pal. It's called Cywar. It is from Dr. Robert Malone. Alan, I'm going to kick you out of the
space. Quit giving thumbs down. Quit with give me a smiley face. We see you down there. Just
just just calm down a little bit. It's like my my add can't speak and see thumbs down thumbs up smiley face hearty face it's just a little it's a little excessive um but i was
reading the book from dr malone and it's very important when they was talking about the side
wars and talking and it's kind of going into the hierarchies but it's also like the groups and the
leaders they will try to take down a leader to disperse the rest of all their
followers because if you take down the leader you can break up the group well there's someone down
below who wants to be that leader so they're hoping if they take down that leader and they
kiss everyone else's butt down below that's with them right then they're hoping if they take down
that leader everyone's going to go over to your side but people aren't that stupid people can see things but this is it is an intentional thing that they do through bot farms they do it
it's huge companies will pay people to go and do this underneath that their timelines so when you
go and someone's got 50 followers and their account was created like in 2012 most likely
it's a paid bot farm to go go and sell chaos so you have a choice to make do
i respond to this get and spread whatever they're spreading or do i ignore it and that's the same
with the people in the hierarchy whether so it could be through bot forms or it could be organic
someone who just wants your group of people so they'll bad mouth you and dm groups and group dm
groups and and you go in there like huh
weird interesting you know you get added to a group and uh that person didn't know you got
added to that group and you're gonna see all of it right but they they do this and if you take out
the leader they're in hopes of taking what you worked hard to build because so many people on
here don't want to take the time to grow organically they don't want to take the time to grow organically. They don't want to take the time to learn how to speak in spaces, learn how to be patient.
They want to right now, right now they want what you have and they're going to take you.
They'll befriend you, right?
They'll pretend to be your friend.
But then as soon as they think that there's an in, they will slice you, dice you, spit
you out.
So you got to be tough.
You just got to be you, be honest and be genuine and authentic and anyway so tony back to you yeah i was to add to that i don't know it's not a
counter because everything you're saying is true but what i would say is like it's actually a good
thing um because the utility of this and it is human nature but the utility of this is if you
think like there's a reason why we're forming hierarchies and there's a reason why there's
always people going after the leader and it is because if they can take that leader down that
leader was not fit if they're and it's also why i've avoided fame, because I think, yeah, those groups started forming. There was like, yeah, I had experienced the, you know, the people that are starting to sabotage me and go after my throne. And I'm like, I don't even want this kingdom. You guys are retarded. This kingdom's full of retards. So I abandoned it but but but if if if these people manage to you know because what they're
doing and it's again it's natural i don't think cognitively they're aware that they're doing this
but the the purpose of that is if someone is a leader then they have access to resources or like
if we bring it back to hitch it's his's his playground. Yes, he built the playground.
But if he can't, if he's not strong enough to handle all the monkeys going crazy,
well, then he's not fit to oversee this playground.
So it will always be the case that if you've built something, there will be people that are trying to take it from you.
And to what Sally said, too, you do have to be tough.
You better believe in your kingdom.
I didn't believe in mine.
I didn't want it.
But yeah, if you build something and you're passionate about it,
there's a real utility there because even if you –
maybe you're a good builder but you're not a good leader.
That happens sometimes. I just want to compliment you, maybe you're a good builder, but you're not a good leader, you know, that happens sometimes.
I just want to compliment you, Zintani.
This is making so much sense.
I don't spend much of my time thinking about this kind of stuff and I'm probably unaware
of a lot of it.
It's not in my purview.
I don't pay attention to it, but just listening to you, this is, yeah, this is making very,
very good sense.
Shout out to you.
I'm always hyper aware of it and it's also um um well i i also think it's why we're you and i have the ability to be such good friends because
it's not always as simple as like you're the dominant and i'm the submissive and i actually talked about this in a
space where i was i was defending you um where someone came up and they're like where i was
talking about power dynamics and submission and dominance and i said you know it's not always the
case that um it's a full even split of like I submit or I dominate.
And if you're talking about like what people would classify as quote real connections,
usually it's more of a, it's more balanced.
You submit on some things and you maybe take the dominant position in others.
But I was talking about how I certainly a hundred percent um would consider myself more
than uh an alpha it's so cringe but it's true but it's generally speaking in a room in real life
on the internet if i walk into a room um people will submit to me i but that isn't to say and i
as i said before i submit to uh hitch slap in areas where I know I'm way dumber than him.
I'm not a leader above him, and I'm never going to attack his playground.
I have my own playground.
But I think it's valuable to know these things so that you know who you're dealing with
because if someone doesn't have their own thing going on
and they're dependent on you, you should be aware
people will tell you pretty early
in establishing dynamics
people generally will let you know if they're dependent on you
and if they're dependent on you, if they're dependent on you it's not
always a bad thing um but you just need to be aware of it because it's like what kind of
dependency you know are you gonna go after my throne are you gonna sabotage me if we have a
fight like where where are you leeching off of me girls are much better at this that is for sure um and people get found out anyway you
you will always get found out eventually maybe it takes a week maybe it takes even a year
but uh you know you will get people get found out uh someone will sneak someone will accidentally
send a whatever uh accidental screenshot or i meant to send it to someone else that you will
people get found out so it's just not worth it.
Just be genuine and surround yourself with genuine people.
Avoid drama and avoid dramatic people.
I'm a simple man with simple rules.
It's not that simple, though, Hitch.
It's way more complex.
That's why I need you around, Zintani.
That's why I need you to look out for me.
When I'm being too simple, say, twist my ear.
Hey, listen, bro, you'm being too simple, say, twist my ear. Hey, listen, bro,
you're being too simple about this.
I think it really kind of is that simple.
Like it is that simple of avoiding it.
And for the most part,
it is unless the person refuses
to stay out of your playground, right?
Like I could stay out of their playground.
I have my playground, right?
But when that person wants to encroach
in your playground
and you avoid their playground and you create a new playground and then they somehow want to be
part of your playground again i've seen this happen over and over again but it really is
avoiding the drama is just keep knowing knowing who to let in and know knowing who not to which
i think is there's tough lessons that go along with that right i've always been a pretty good
judge of character a couple times i have i, oh, this person's like really nice,
but I didn't know them well enough to, to trust. That's why I, it takes me a long time
to trust people. And I was trying to change. I was trying to be, you know, step outside myself,
be more trust. No, this is how I survive. And I, and I don't think that it's part of your,
I don't think it's part of your, I don't think it's part of
your autism. You always say it's part of your autism. I think it's how we grow up. Like I
didn't grow up like a mom, dad, not always at home, right? Dad left when I was four. Mom raised
seven kids under the age of 16. And it is that growing up, you watch, you observe, that's how you survive.
And if you grow up with abusive parents, one or the other, you learn to pay attention to behaviors. You learn to pay attention to tones of voices.
That's how you survive.
And on here, it's unfortunate, we don't get to see the body language, right?
Because there's little cues that you can watch for.
But I'm starting to learn through tones of voices i'm starting to learn who comes into a space when
there's 10 hands up and comes and gets off their mic and is like wants to hog the stage and not
realize that there's like 10 other people that want to participate in the conversation right
me me me i i i right but anyway i digress but i think it is simple though well but this is why
it is my autism because i've had to learn these things cognitively like so like an example of
this is like when you say well it's just about knowing genuine people letting the genuine people, letting the genuine people in. Well, my response to that is literally
everyone is genuine. Everyone is genuinely being themselves. But what you really mean is you're
looking for people whose goals align with yours and are not going to disalign with yours, right?
Like that, that, that's what, what you mean when when you say genuine but you can say genuine and
you guys you the neurotypicals can say genuine you all know what you're talking about but i'm
saying well it's way more complex than that like because even a narcissist you know they're
genuinely they genuinely need to suck the fucking life out of you that's genuinely who they are um it's a
very real thing um and that that's them they're themselves um you know but their interests and
and it is why we hate narcissists so much is because a narcissist's interests will never
align with anyone it doesn't matter who who they they will never align with anyone. It doesn't matter who they will never align with anyone
over a long period of time.
Okay.
That's why we don't like them, you know?
You bring up a good point, though,
is we learn, even with genuine,
when I think of genuine,
like, what do I mean?
Do I mean a genuinely kind person,
a genuine smart person,
a genuine this person?
So you actually do bring up a good point. To me, genuine means one thing. To you, genuine means
another thing. So it is, words do matter and there is language barriers. And that's why I always have
to clarify, you know, when you said this, is this what you meant? Or were you being facetious? Or
were you being literal, right? Like, how did you mean this thing and we as people we don't clarify questions we make assumptions and when we make assumptions
you can either assume the right way or the wrong way and a lot of times we assume wrong oh that
person must hate me their tone of voice they were short they were turst oh my gosh my feelings are
hurt or you just realize maybe they're having a bad day i'll see how they act tomorrow and then
we'll figure it out right or you dm them and say say, hey, did I upset you? Did I bother you? But we don't ask these questions. We
just, we assume, we get mad, we get vengeful, and then we just burn the house down. Anyway,
you got hands up. I know there's hands up, but I wanted to touch more on this before we go to the hands and that um to clarify so and and the reason
bringing up autism is important um is because like hitch said oh women are better at this thing
um but what i'm asserting not not to be too crass but just like telling it as it is, is, um, because of the autism,
I'm way better at this than fucking most, most women are better at it than men because they're
socialized into it and their brains are built for it. Um, but when you are not naturally able to
sort of naturally hormonally pick up on these things, you then can get very,
very good at understanding the semantics of things where a neurotypical person will say,
this is a genuine person. They sort of assume what they're expressing is this is a good person who aligns with me.
But it can get way more nuanced.
And for example, saying that someone fully dependent on you is always bad is not true.
You can have leeches on you that really help you in your kingdom, especially if they're like completely submissive to you and
completely living off in your playground what the fuck ever like you can see this in kingdoms
um they would often have eunuchs you know because when you look at and there's a reason for this you
you have a sort of what what is a good term for it like your little sub bitch your little uh
for lack of a better term your little sub slut you don't want them slutting around on their own
so you you turn them into a eunuch and now they're completely dependent on you they don't
have more desires for themselves because you don't want to have someone close to you
that knows all your
secrets that might then yeah decide to turn on you and whatever but having a eunuch there who's like
fully very intelligent and is i guess very submissive to you and blah blah blah is like
very very beneficial if you're building a building, you know, having someone you can always call and always trust and always everything is,
is great.
You need one person that you can trust.
as long as you have one person you can trust,
you can get through anything.
But yeah,
it's a,
it's the worst when people try to turn those people against you.
That's bad.
So get yourself a Preston Henshaw,
shout out Preston Henshaw,
absolute legend champion of the world.
And one of the close mutuals, of course.
Yeah, we can go to hand.
I know I've kept everyone waiting by talking too much.
It's okay.
It's your space.
You can do whatever you want.
My space.
Walla, Walla, go back on mute.
There's hands before you.
Do you know how to raise your hand?
I'm not sure.
There's a little heart with a little plus sign on the far right hand sign.
There's a lone hand.
You click on that button, your hand will go up, and then we'll call on you in the order
that you raise your hand because that is what we do in these spaces, and I do appreciate
you.
I wanted to just say one thing before Zantani goes to the hands, though.
And when you were talking, this is what I meant when you were saying it was an autism
thing.
It was when Hitch was saying that women are better at this thing.
I kind of feel like that women can be.
But I also think that that is part of survival mechanism.
When you grow up rough, you either learn to survive, you learn to read people.
And so you're more in tune to those type of things because you're going to avoid that hurt.
If you want to survive in the kingdom, you've got to learn how to do it. So that was what I was meaning, that it's not necessarily just that,
but the other stuff that you explained, it makes perfect sense to me. Go ahead, Ish.
Yeah, women have evolved better social skills, basically. And if you give away your cards,
it's a very bad tactic. But men generally are much more direct, hashtag not all, hashtag not
away. So I've just noticed when stuff's been going on around me and this has been happening
since i was in high school whenever i was confused so what the fuck is going on why is he doing
i just asked some of my female mutuals and they'd be like don't you get it and then they would
explain it so it's uh listen maybe i'm maybe it's me i'm just an idiot. But yeah, I'm okay.
I get most stuff.
But when something really confuses me, when it's a complete aberration, I'll just check
with my smart female friends and one or two of my smart male friends.
And they'll normally say, watch out for this.
This is going on.
And it's been since high school.
It's been since I traveled overseas.
And even in recent times, when I've been confused about certain things it's the women around
me who've given me very very good insights yeah we we have to so like when i shit on women for
being gossipy and good at stabbing behind backs and blah blah blah it's really fucking annoying
to me yeah but like that also has a uti women have have to be like that. Men are bigger than us and can fucking kill us.
So yes, we have to learn how to get what we want without being confrontational about it.
Because if you, you know, you're a cave woman and you're the caveman, I don't know, wants all the meat and you need some fucking meat for your babies.
You can't just say, give me that meat or else you'll get killed.
Game over.
So you have to learn, you know, well, this guy's hogging all the meat.
I need to turn everyone against this guy.
So then, you know, I get some meat for me.
But yeah, women are better.
If you look throughout history, it's sort of the balance of the masculine and feminine too.
Throughout history, it's sort of the balance of the masculine and feminine too.
And why men do so well to have like a great woman beside them is because women can catch dynamics really well.
If you look throughout history, there's so many emperors, man, who have that one concubine, that one woman who was a political fucking genius.
fucking genius and she'd sit in the meetings you know this is not uncommon she would sit and guide
And she'd sit in the meetings, you know.
This is not uncommon.
and um you know not saying that women do everything but there's many emperors and kings
and whatnot that had some valuable woman that would sort of listen in and guide dynamics
as 100 it's like being um i don't know, if you're in Germany and you don't speak
German, but you've got someone with you who does speak German, they're like doing a translating
for you. And I don't know if it's a good analogy, but that's why I think of it. I can see most
things, I get most things, but on the high level things where people are engaging in chicanery,
love that word, just learned it recently, engaging in chicanery, then it helps to have someone,
you know, a woman who could translate maybe, but the problem is chicanery, then it helps to have someone,
you know, a woman who could translate maybe.
But the problem is, you know,
you just got to make sure they're translating the right information.
I'd maybe use analogy.
If you're in Germany and they're mistranslating,
you say, oh, what did they say?
And then they tell you that they said something different than they actually said.
So it helps to have a woman to guide you.
This is very true. But in
the translation example, you got to make sure they're not telling you the wrong translation
or the wrong information. This can definitely set you down the wrong path. So just find the right
woman that you can trust who's going to be on your side. And yeah, like take advice from her.
from her this is this is what i'm learning more and more as time goes on i i will get the hands
This is what I'm learning more and more as time goes on.
after this but i also want to say talk as long as you want talking out two hours the people are
enjoying it i promise it's so funny because i actually recently experienced this and none of
you will know that this is happening but this is going to affect everyone in here.
I'm not going to get more specific than that, but it's fucking hilarious.
What's actually happening behind the scenes is we have these powerful CEO men, right?
And to the public, these are the men, quote, making the decisions.
But behind the scenes, there's something going on right now that I'm privy to.
And it's fucking hilarious because you have these two CEOs making this deal.
But it's actually women they're fucking in love with playing chess with each other through these CEO men.
And they're making big ass fucking decisions that is going to affect this country.
This country.
Listen, I don't want to go into i i know
it would cause hate or what the fuck ever but truly that's what's happening you have one
one woman who i can't get too specific but it's so funny these guys are making big decisions because they want to fuck uh these girls and these girls know it
and they're playing chess with each other with these ceo men so i don't like seeing stuff like
that is fucking crazy i'm not saying it always happens i'm not saying men never make decisions
but they don't they don't fucking care about the decisions they're making affecting America.
And seeing it happen is wild.
Yeah.
That's why you don't dip your wick, whatever it is.
Don't, don't, don't, don't.
I'm going to have to step down in a little bit, Zentani,
probably about five minutes.
I just want to hit you with one question before I have to go,
and I'm sure Sally will take very good care of you. I've got to go to bed too at about five minutes. I just want to hit you with one question before I have to go, and I'm sure Sally will take very good care of you.
You're very...
I've got to go to bed too at about seven minutes.
Zitane, I want to ask you about...
Someone sent me a quote recently in the DMs, absolute legend.
He said, a true test of one's character is how they handle power.
Now, I've been observing some people who,
I just will say, I'm not attacking anyone,
but some people are new to platform and new to hosting.
And they just host one or two spaces,
literally host two or three spaces.
One of them had like nine people,
so not even a lot of people.
But I've been seeing this person muting people,
telling them to shut up
kicking people down and i'm like bro you got nine people you're new to space you're new to platform
like this is not the way to handle a little bit of power so um and i just met this person very
recently as well so um what do you make you know going in direction you want but this is something
that's been on my mind lately uh drew greys the statement uh you know true testament's characters how they handle power and i'll just give one more example dana white
talks about the new mma fighters because of course when you you know if you're famous and notorious
girls just throw themselves at you and some of the guys in the contender series so they're any new
they started you know demanding this demanding this i want this i want that blah blah and dana
white's like what the fuck are you going to be like when you actually get into the UFC?
This is what you're like now.
How are you going to treat people if you actually get in or even get a belt?
So what do you think about this?
How people, you know, you can tell a lot about someone's character by how they handle a little bit of power or just power in general.
My true, honest belief is sort of cutthroat, but I think the best test of power is how long they maintain that power.
It's all about calibration.
It's all about they, you know, if they're kicking people down and saying, shut the fuck up, and they manage to keep the power they have, then they're doing fine, in my opinion.
I think, like, truth doing fine, in my opinion. I think truth can be
found in nature. If you look at, you dissect the word deserve, do you deserve it? A lot of people
don't like this, but I think if a deer gets killed by a bear, that deer deserves it. The truth is in the result it wasn't strong enough that's what that's what nature is
and it's no different when we're socializing here maybe it looks different maybe you're not getting
eaten alive but all of these social dynamics are fucking brutal they're brutal like there's no
and i think they should be um i think when you start holding hands and whatever, you know, that's not the way to do it.
I'm not saying corruption can't also exist.
But I am saying that if someone's going to be corrupting, they better know what they're fucking doing.
Because if they're not leading their people the people are
going to get mad and we know in all of the wars of the haves versus the have-nots the victors are
always the have-nots i'll also say to the uh white supremacist douchebag idiots that come in here all
the fucking time they always try to say like hitler was a great ruler no he
fucking wasn't he lost i'm sorry like i i don't like when people try to make um moral i think
it's the wrong route to go down of like is this a morally good person or a morally bad person
i think when you start doing that you're always lying everyone thinks they're the good guy um no one thinks
they're the bad guy even like no one does so what really the only thing that matters is who wins and
who loses so that's that's what i think is if he's at least someone's handling power for me
then they will lose it if i may i would just like to say I am the villain.
So, I mean, you know, people look at me
as the villain. I know
I'm the villain. I accept
that I'm the villain.
I am the villain, everyone. I'm sorry
to interrupt. Go ahead.
There's also that
rarely, Adrian, though, but I feel the
same. I'm also, I'm here to
cause problems, really really i don't like
that live laugh love shit i want i want more hate what is it die hate live die uh scream
hate that's what i'm here to promote let the loathing flow
oh sorry yeah at least you're consistent, Zintani,
because people remember the pop-up space where, you know,
my opinion is you try to treat everyone as fairly
and as equally as you can.
And Myron Gaines come up.
You have the power, right?
You're the co-host.
I was the main host of the pop-up space.
And I'm like, Zintaniani don't mute myron and you said
no this is the best time to mute myron the best time to mute myron is when i have the power to
do so the worst time to try mute myron uh is when i'm a listener when i'm a speaker and i can't mute
him so i'm gonna use my power because now is the best time to use it so i will say uh at least
you're consistent uh and you know you do make a good point, the outcome,
right? What's the outcome? If the outcome works, then it was a good thing. It was kind of
reasonable. But what about Zintani, like, you know, finding a wallet? You find a wallet,
nobody knows that you saw it. It's got an ID in it. You can just keep it. It's got thousands of
bucks in it, but it's also got ID of Julie, Betty, you know, Julie Smith with her four children who look like they need to get some more
meals under their belt, blah, blah, blah. If you find a wallet and nobody sees you, isn't it a good
idea to return it? And isn't there a kind of correlation here with how you handle power and
how you wield it? Yes. So that's another thing that people get confused about when I do talk about this is they assume I have like a poor moral compass.
But in actuality, like I have more integrity than I think most people I know, especially in that like I'm always thinking about it.
I'm thinking actively all the fucking time.
It's exhausting. And I do think it's genetic hitch because I noticed this trait in myself of like, how is this action going to affect this other person? That is constantly fucking debilitating me. And I don't, but I think there should be a separation between what is good. Is it good just to be a good person? I don't think so.
It's exhausting.
Is it good just to be a good person? I don't think so. In fact, like when I look at my moral compass, it's too strong to the point where if I ever have kids, if they have my genetics, I want would tell my children, learn to be more selfish,
especially if I see that they sort of have my traits. Because at the end of the day,
when you're like attributing value to something, I think the end result is the most important.
So if you're to say like, oh, return the wallet, always return the wallet.
What if you're starving?
I am the type of person to always return the wallet, even if I'm starving.
That's where I would say like when you get into those sorts of moral conundrums, well,
sometimes, you know, sometimes it's better to take the fucking money.
If you need the money, you know, you're probably weak.
If you're giving it away.
Maybe I'm explaining this in a bad way. What I'm trying to say is, let's say you're a really good
guy and you lose your job and no one loves you and everything goes to shit. Well, I can promise
you, you can sit there and say, but I'm such a good guy all day long. It
doesn't fucking matter. You still lost your job. Everything went to shit and you didn't, you didn't,
you didn't win. You lost. So there's always some point where it's like, um, yeah, I don't,
I don't like when people get sort of delusional about like, oh, I'm a great person.
And so that might be the case.
But I think you run into problems when you say, and therefore I deserve blank.
There's a breaking.
That's where it's like, no, you're a great guy and you never hurt anyone and blah, blah, blah.
You don't deserve anything though.
There's a breaking point.
Just from that.
There's a point where it becomes, yeah, there's a breaking point. I get it. I agree.
To a point, I think is a term here, right? I would never murder, you know, I would never
murder anyone to a point. I would never rob a bank to a point. You know, if I have to save my
mom's life to get her a kidney transplant, maybe I would rob a bank. I don't know. So
to a point, I completely agree. I just want want to say it's the last thing i'll say go ahead murder is intentional right you might
have to kill someone yeah because you're defending yourself that's not murder sorry yeah well what
about if i had to murder someone to save you know seven billion people let's just say if you murder
this one person i won't release the nerve release the nerve gas by definition not murder though
murder that's that's killing, but that's not murder.
Murder is intent.
Yeah, that's fair.
Sorry, I'm being wordsmithy.
No, no, you're fine.
You're fine.
I get your point 100%.
No lie detected.
No, but you bring up a great point, and that's why I have that opinion.
Let me say one thing, and then I'll throw it back to you, I promise.
I'll stick around for another couple of minutes and then I'll have to drop down.
I just want to say publicly, Zintani, you know, publicly you're a bit of a, you know,
hooligan, you rile people up and blah, blah, blah.
But I want to say this, you know, very definitively.
Me and you talk in private, we're good friends.
You know, in my interaction with you,
I've never heard you gossip. I've never heard you reveal people's secrets. I've never heard
you say anything nasty. I've never heard you rail anyone against anyone. You've always conducted
yourself with the utmost integrity. So people might, if they just hear you, who's this loud
mouse? But in all my dealings with you, you mentioned something earlier. I forget the wording that you used. But basically what you were saying completely squares
with all my interaction with you. And I'm very critical of people. So if it wasn't true,
I wouldn't say it. But I just want to say publicly, you've always conducted yourself very fairly,
not just with me, but also with the people around you, even sometimes when they've wronged you.
So much respect to you, Zintani. You have my respect, but please, sorry to cut you off.
Yeah, I'm very trustworthy. I'm an angel. It's disgusting. It's my mom's genes in me. And I
noticed them in myself, but it's like, but I also notice, you know, where you're in the wrong is,
yeah, that deserve word. I think people should really be autistic all the neurotypical
people in the world should at some point be very autistic about the word deserve what does that
mean um i like and i very strongly believe um people deserve for the most part yeah yeah no
all the time what they get if and i even like to the point where um
speaking of those uh those um what the fuck those white supremacist guys where they start
shitting on the jews uh what i've said is you know well then you guys deserve it if they're
if it is the case that jews are like running the world and they're they're uh
preventing you from i don't know succeeding blah blah well then you're not smart enough to beat
them i'm not saying that there is a is or isn't a jewish cabal what i'm saying is like the deserve
word it's like did you win or did you lose i think everyone should like hyper fixate on that word
because once you do um then you realize it really doesn't matter how good of a person you are
and and at the end of the day this is a really i think healthy and valuable lesson to learn and
not be delusional about because truly truly. No one gives a fuck.
If you're a great person.
And your life went to shit.
No one fucking cares if you were a good person.
Many such cases.
Follow Zintani.
Not saying you shouldn't be a good person.
Everyone should have morals.
But you should also be strong.
These two things are not.
I braced my head to say goodnight.
But you guys just keep on yelling.
Goodnight.
Congratulations on your 20K.
Love you.
Yes.
I also have to go.
Goodnight, Sally.
I have to go as well.
Follow Zintani notifications on Zintani.
Congratulations, 20K.
You've deserved it.
And yeah, publicly, as I said, thank you for being my friend.
Really appreciate you.
I'll drop to listeners and then I'll have to head off.
the listeners and then um i'll have to head off yeah this this kind of sucks because they're the
leaders uh that know how to run shit i actually don't give a fuck about hands or interrupting so
you guys can go crazy fantastic so zintani just um survival of the fittest is what i believe in
building off what you had just said There Zintani
I was going to respond
The woman who was co-host
Sally I believe was co-host just now
She was telling me about
I need to research spaces etiquette
So my spaces
That I run
Are complete shit shows
There is all kinds of talk. People make fun of
me as the host. Um, people bash me. I bash them. There's sound effects. There's noises. There's
all kinds of shit going on. Okay. And, um, yeah, so just Sally, just,ally just uh you know just to let you know and i've been very restrained
in here because generally i feel like hands and like all that type of stuff it's not very conducive
to how actual conversations go well if you are engaging in an actual conversation, right? So, I mean... Yeah, but in Sally's defense,
she rules with an iron fist,
but her spaces are also better.
Like, the reason that she does that
is it provides cohesion,
and I have no problem acknowledging the way...
I would guess your spaces suck ass.
Is that...
How many numbers are you pulling?
Oh, I don't look at the numbers
They're very small
Yeah, me too
I can't run shit for shit
Believe it or not, there's more other listeners
Who are too embarrassed
To show their profile picture in the space
Than there are people that are actually
Showing their profile picture
In my spaces
So it is just a free
For all it is just absolute shit
And the reason that I
This all goes back
To the word deserve though that's why
Sally and Hitch deserve more
Numbers if they're curating it well
Congratulations
That's fantastic
You know I
Don't run it that way It's just know i i don't run it that way um it's just an absolute
shit show um i like it that way better to be perfectly honest with you where people are
interrupting and yelling and jumping over each other it's just um it just feels more natural
and less um like i said curated right but i mean if they want to run curated spaces they're doing really
well more power to them i have absolutely no problem with that i was just um coming up to
say that like the reason that i jump in some of the time and again i've been very restrained in
here just because i'm trying to be on my best behavior everyone so um oh man yeah it is because oh
come to one of my spaces and you'll see uh you know abhorrent behavior uh no no no um
here's the whole thing though i was just trying to like you know give her some context as to why I do that.
It's not that I'm intentionally trying to be rude.
It's just my spaces that I run very differently where people do something over and over.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I am too.
Yeah, exactly.
So, I mean, well, I'm glad that we found each other's antennae.
Yeah, and I've listened to some of adrian spaces before during the
california wildfires and there was this there was this bitch who was like it is very rude
it is very rude would you would someone speaking like i just said like i just cut walla off which
was very rude of me that's what you were doing when zintani i thought i thought he was done
talking and why do you continue to cut me no you go ahead it feels like you're targeting me
i said no i said i was being rude to you okay it just feels like you're targeting me. No, I said I was being rude to you. It just feels like you're targeting me.
Wait, hold on.
So, in my spaces,
it is unfair.
And Sally wins.
So, Sally is allowed.
This is my space. Run how I want.
If Sally comes up and wants to interrupt,
she's allowed.
Because she's the alpha.
Go ahead, Walla.
Go ahead.
Well, Walla, you're wrong.
Adrian was just speaking of me, and this is why I grabbed a mic, right?
Because I'm still in the room.
You can speak about it.
But it just feels like plenty of people can interrupt, including Adrian.
And the only time you jump on somebody's nuts is when I talk. I didn't say you. I was talking
about Adrian. I wasn't talking about you at all. Why are you taking it personally? Interesting.
But I'm not taking it personal, but I've just made you like my nuts, I guess.
Whatever. Yay. What I was trying to say is i've been in
i i didn't like the nuts comment i know i'm not being fair but i don't know i don't i don't know
what the rules are it's literally just what i feel like so that's how i run my spaces uh
whatever i feel like goes so adrian you can run your spaces however you like you're
fine to do that um i do like order because i like to listen to what people to say especially we're
talking about intellectual things i'm thinking i'm taking in everything that zentani's saying
everything that he's just saying even things that you say but i do have this thing called add so if
i'm thinking and i'm getting ready to go,
cause we're having a back and forth and you interject with that.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause this is social audio and everything is about the listener for,
at least for me,
everything is about the listener.
And when two people are speaking at one time,
you can't hear if you're down as a listener,
you can't hear anything that's being said.
So that is why I run spaces the way I do.
You can do it however you want
and i don't i don't care but i was just saying as a co-host when i was co-host i said please put
your hand up and don't don't so sally hold on hold on this is not a slight to you right hold on i'm
not done and that's it right there and and respect that there are people who do have their hands up
and they want to add to the conversation it's not not just about Adrian up here since I've joined this space. It's been about
Adrian. I'm sorry, but that's the way it was. It was kind of annoying, but you can run your spaces
however you want. It's Zantani's space. I love you, Zantani. Happy 20K. I am so happy for you.
I think that you're an amazing, kind person. I will always have your back. Always, always, always,
but just keep being you, keep being genuine. Now I am going to go to bed. I will drop have your back. Always, always, always. But just keep being you. Keep being genuine.
Now I am going to go to bed.
I will drop to listener.
Enjoy your space.
And I don't want to talk about how people run spaces.
Go to your own space however you want.
It's an entire space.
Let's talk about something more interesting than spaces, how to run them.
Well, I mean, you did bring it up.
You broached the topic yourself earlier.
Okay, but Sally wins.
Because this is my space
and I'm the alpha here and
Sally wins.
You lose.
Next.
Shame. You know, what's really
cool about spaces
it's like an idea
machine. I think it's awesome that you could talk to people
around the world uh is that it i mean yeah i mean i mean it might be it but i think that's pretty
pretty awesome i think it's crazy too man i mean you can the fact that technology is so we've got
fucking lines going through the ocean i don't know if anyone knows but that's how our internet
is it's undersea cables yeah and it's and we can have conversations with each other
as if we're in the same room across the planet it's crazy and obviously right this
makes like starting businesses easier you know you probably make a fancy word that's better than
easier but it does and it like uh just like humans in general and how they progress, it makes it easier.
Yeah, I've lost my co-host, so I'm going to try to actually bring the order in because I know there was people with their hands up.
So, Alan, sorry for taking so long. What's up?
No, no, it's all good.
The one thing that I wanted to say, and I don't want to divert the conversation,
I've been in Sally's spaces a million times.
And I've told her a thousand times, probably not enough, but she runs a really tight ship.
She knows how to run the space.
And the one thing that I love about the space that I'm in right now is there's so much information that I'm absorbing and I'm learning from each and every one of you. And I also believe that we can learn from people like Sally.
You know, if Maze was in here or if Destiny was in here or there are so many other people, Shane, Roden, Willie, if they were in here, we should all be looking at them as people that we can learn from.
We don't have to agree with everything that they say. And I certainly don't agree with
everything that Sally says, okay, or that May says, or that Rodin says, but there's
so much to learn from these people. And I really think that we need to respect that
and learn from them and respect them.
That's all I wanted to say.
You're not wrong.
So I can safely say that I haven't learned a fucking thing from any of you.
Okay, so I mean, that's where I land on it, guys.
Zintani, just wanted to say thank you for indulging me in this space,
and congratulations on the 20K followers, I take it is what it is.
That's wonderful.
Thank you very much.
I bid you all farewell.
Thank you very much, bid you all farewell Thank you very much everyone
Take care
Thanks for stopping by
20,000 I mean you're
Probably more popular than CNN
Right now
Hold on
I just want to punctuate one thing
He said that he learned nothing
From the space Or anybody on the space.
He's just a memer.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I don't take any of this seriously.
I wouldn't take it.
I wouldn't take the back and forth seriously or um anything else uh but david
did you have your hand up i can't remember yeah it's it was up when you just said that um
i think uh tiktok's glitching tonight yeah that seems to be happening a lot but
gosh i i don't even know what the original subject was anymore to be honest with you
power dynamics power dynamics thank you the um i think we get off on
separation too much whether it be gender race yeah Everybody thinks they're different. Everybody thinks that the other side doesn't
think like them, doesn't have emotions like them, doesn't have the same desires, wants.
And, you know, short of crazy people, I don't, I don't think that's the truth because, you know, like men and women, you know, you got
people made millions of dollars. Men are from Mars, women are from Venus or whatever it says,
trying to tell us how different we are. But I had a long conversation in a group one time about this. And so I proposed the question,
tell me all the differences in men and women, and then tell me all the ways that we're the same.
And the ways that we're the same are far, far, far outnumbering the ways that we're different.
For example, we all want to be loved. We all want to show love.
We all want to get love. We all want to be stable. We all want the best for our kids.
We all want to be safe, unabused. We want the people around us to be secure.
You know, and I can go on and on and on and on and on. But we always focus on this and that,
And I can go on and on and on and on and on.
But we always focus on this and that.
And even the manipulation.
For every woman that gossips, I'll show you a man that gossips.
For every man that's a whore, I'll show you a woman that's a whore.
People just have a sin nature and they have a good nature.
Some people reel that sin nature in and some people don't. They do whatever, they are
their own God, so they're not going to listen to any moral anything. In fact, I believe that's why
a lot of people try to tear God down, because they don't want to be told what to do. But other
than that, even some people that don't believe in
God, they're still good people. They still want all those other things that I was saying, or most
of them. Unless you're crazy, you're not going to want to go out and kill somebody. You're not
going to want to even do some harm to somebody. You might think about about it but you don't really want to do it and if you do
go check yourself in well it's like a gut feeling right i mean i i agree with the overall premise
of what you're saying but i disagree with the semantics of everything you're saying so i i
agree with the overall picture i think what like, like, the overall premise of, like, we're all humans, so we should all respect each other is the premise, right?
No, it's okay.
May I say what I first thought of?
Well, let me have this back and forth with him.
So what is your overall, David?
Okay, my premise is that we're not that different.
It's simple as that.
We're not wired that differently.
We have needs and desires.
We get tired.
We get angry.
We get, you know, and then you're a product a lot of times of your environment.
And you're a product a lot of times of your environment.
How were you raised?
How were you raised?
What restrictions do you put on yourself?
Or what restrictions do other people put on you?
You know, and then, so a lot of it comes down to your own,
and you said this quite eloquently earlier, your strengths.
What are those strengths?
Everybody's not wired the exact same. I get that
physically. And that does have a toll on your mental and your emotional. And some people
are strong, but they're put in an abusive situation. So does that mean that they weren't
strong? No, maybe they went through 10 years of abuse and it broke them down, just chipped away at them slowly.
But I think those people are no different.
If they were given the same opportunities, put in the same environment, whether they succeeded or not, most people's desire is to succeed.
That's all I would say.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of meritocracy. I think that's the term. Conceptually, I don't think we should
ever hinder talent and certainly will acknowledge that sometimes it is the case that people do get
traumatized. But I'd also say if they did get broken down,
well, then they weren't strong enough.
So it doesn't matter.
Like, but then, yeah.
So I disagree with nearly all of the semantics of what you're saying,
even down to the, like, you should check yourself in
if you want to hurt someone.
Because, like, we know, I know i'm too much of a nerd here but um
homicidal ideation is actually very natural um everyone in here has likely wanted to kill someone
and that's yeah it's actually human nature movies wouldn't exist if that wasn't the case
yeah video games play on this it allows you to simulate killing someone because fucking everyone, more so men than women, it's in our nature.
But that being said, of course, we can't run a society if everyone is going, killing each other.
So it's probably a good thing that we suppress this in ourselves.
And we do.
We socialize each other to repress the homicidal ideation but it
is still there and it does come out in other ways you know gossip for instance sabotaging other
people this is really like a way that we have developed to kill someone without killing them
we cancel someone we're murdering them, basically.
We're simulating it.
But we all want to
kill. It's in our
fucking DNA. I always thought it was
funny that psychologists
will always ask you, are you
homicidal or suicidal?
As an introduction
to the conversation, it's like,
of course!
Of course! You know, As like an introduction to the conversation. Yeah, you're like, I don't want to talk to you.
Of course, of course, you know.
I need to say something.
But to be fair, in David's favor, like, okay, if I was a psychologist and you said, yes, I'm suicidal'm suicidal i'd be like you do need to go to the loony bin because why are you saying that like it may be the case but it is it
is also in david's defense it's like heavily socially ingrained into us arbitrary we say no
you should not be running around saying i'm i'm homicidal unless you're like being autistic about like homicidal ideation.
No, no, but I think that all of us...
Let me get back to the conversation, what she was saying to me though.
Sure.
All right, so...
I'm just going to say because no one's letting me talk, but when I first...
Well, yeah, but Andrea, I'm still not going to let you talk for another second and then I would love to hear you talk, but I want David to be able to close out.
You're still unhomicidal now.
No, I wasn't trying to do that.
I just didn't want to forget.
No, I think you said.
Well, write it down, Andrea.
It's written.
It's burned in my brain.
But, you know, I can't remember what politician this was.
I think it was the one from Louisiana.
He's a pretty funny guy.
But, yeah, he said, you know, there's fair.
He said, when I was a kid, we used to go to this place.
And it was called Fair um fairy tale land or something
like that and he said you go there all day and you have a great time and then at the end of the day
you went home you knew fairy tale was over and that's why I think of what kind of what you were
saying about the you know or somebody not of what you were saying about the,
you know, or somebody, not you, but somebody was talking about the games. We play these games about killing and, you know, that, but a,
but a sane person says I'm pretending.
And when the game's over, I go home, you know,
leave my friend's house where I was playing this game and I go home
and the real world sets in. But I do agree that over time, these games and other things have
desensitized people to where they think it's the same. they don't realize that they left fairytale land
we we live in a world of disassociation right like nobody thinks about the killing of the cattle
no the idea the hold on i want to close this out so we can go to andrea but yeah david this is why
i said like i agree with the overall premise I disagree with nearly all of the semantics, but nearly all of my disagreements are like autistic, nerdy, like, is true when you compare to like all the species of
animals. Because if you're doing comparisons, you have to be aware that it's relative and
like sort of narrow down, what are we comparing to? Yes, all humans genetically are very similar,
but it's also true female brains and male brains are very different and when you say like we all want
the same things we all want to be loved where I would disagree with you is more semantic while
I'll acknowledge yes we all want to be loved we all want to be safe blah blah blah but what I
would counter is but what a woman an average woman and an average man defines as love are very different things.
And what we define as safety are very different things.
And I'll also say like even we may have, yes, all the same emotions, but we know neurologically this gets very complex.
The way you experience happiness is nothing like your neighbor.
The way you experience, hold on, the way you experience hold on the way you experience
fear and sadness nothing like you know even even siblings can experience these emotions differently
but yes i agree with your overall of like i i think the premise of what you're getting at is where we're all let's come together so
Zantani
great space
a lot of respect I'm going to sleep
I wanted to say good night
alright good night
and by the way
before you go to Andrew
the thing I love about this space already
I love talking to someone
that wasn't me but but thank you, sir.
The people that.
I'm not going to sleep.
No, he's saying it's going to come to you now.
Yeah, I realize that you're now.
That's fine.
So I'm going to make this real quick.
And I just wanted to give them.
Don't worry about the real quick.
A compliment in that she actually can debate and realize that her conversation
does not negate my conversation and vice versa.
There can be two things true at the same time.
She could be all right or all wrong
or half right, half wrong.
And I love that.
That's why I like talking to attorneys.
I don't particularly care for the profession, but they can debate without getting their emotions all into it and getting all twisted and sideways. And they don't have to dominate the conversation all the time. They get their point out very well. You've done a great job. Thank you.
Yeah, in terms of like talking about ideas, in terms of talking about ideas, I'm really not a big fan of the I win, you lose, unless I'm feeling funky, in which case I always win, of course.
But like generally speaking, more I like to I like to explore ideas and look like sort of pursue truth so actually debate bros
fucking hate me in fact like i one of the times i almost got famous uh these debate bros man they
got so mad at me because they're like you're moving the goal post i was like no i'm just
agreeing with you unless you made good points and they get so mad because they want to fight to
win and i'm like well i don't i don't care you win if we're if we're exploring ideas i don't i don't
care who wins right but yes andrea okay go ahead thanks so um when I first encountered Kitani, I noticed a logical conduction by her.
And it made me crack up and laugh because it was so simplified and so profound.
And I loved that. I didn't feel alone anymore.
And as a female, like I was I was like oh these are a rare breed
and that's that wasn't like a kiss ass thing that was actually just like
a true thing um and that's just how she is because um it's quick for my brain to get it with her.
With regards to gaming, if you're playing GTO
and you're watching this robbery, whatever, you're a gamer person.
You're not like some gangster robber person.
It's like, I better play GTO so i can learn how to go hurt people
i mean i've like literally known gamers who found friendships and developed better social skills for
them through actual interactions through gaming so i don't see it as like a geo um gta what is i mean gta thanks
thanks grand theft auto my god um so like grand theft auto is a game where like it
like people like like steal steal cars okay other kinds of things.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, I don't know.
But I don't think that people that do that in real life,
like game to learn
how to do,
it doesn't like encourage
them to go do that.
There's a great interview
with Tim and Lexx tim owns epic um games and he is a sweetheart
i swear he is i can feel it and that really is a great one if you guys watch lex friedman
um but yeah with with kitani like you guys need to understand like she's so quick to logic funny and a dark
she may have like that black heart like humor but it's so profound and when with regards to like how
we're so different from men um i really like, I'm glad I didn't speak yet because she
said we process things differently. We do. We do. And we feel a lot. We feel like we have to
do everything and take care of everything, as do men, I understand. Attorneys, I've had,
I've had, I listened to some, what's his name, somebody on NPR discuss why he became one and how he felt like he was emotional with every case, with every client.
like when we go to work um for me I had the problem of like pleasing and doing everything
in go go go mode so I never like had to stop to think about how I felt I always just like felt
for everything all the time and I think that my neurons probably like short channeled a lot and
then there's that point where you need to like extend
like the meditate like when we meditate or we walk um I think that's when we're letting our
wavelengths flow um I don't want to get all hippy dippy but you know what I mean like we're we're
on fire we're on fire um we can be on fire and then we can be where we're all with God.
Like I'm when I'm with God, I know everyone is.
And there is no gender or color there.
It's like like you can listen to me or you can't listen to me.
That's your choice and um people who hurt
other people who sit there and deliberately like vindictively like fucking hurt other people pardon
me um they are choosing that and the longer that they take to hurt is a more deliberate like proof that they're
intending it
so I think we need to look at
like lengths and rate and time
in that regard but yeah
Keetani is a
logical
and sometimes less is more with her
just remember that and that's actually a good thing logical and sometimes less is more with her.
Just remember that.
And that's actually a good thing.
It's like a little grocky human person.
But that's all I wanted to say. Yeah, about the GTA thing,
you can actually see this neurologically in dogs, interestingly,
is there was an idea that playing these games, oh, it will influence
people to go around killing and stealing and whatever.
But actually, it's so simple to not do this that even your dogs do it.
The squeaky toys, the reason they squeak is it's simulating an animal that is suffering
to death.
And this pleases the dog. So it's simulating an animal that is suffering to death uh and this pleases the dog so it's a simulation to appease um to appease something that's natural in you but that doesn't mean the
dog goes out and my dog won't kill bugs you know but she squeaks on those toys all day
so you can yeah this is not um you know what's interesting it's not
difficult i love killing people in games i would never be able to kill someone in person it's
actually like a problem because uh yeah if someone comes murdering me or something i don't even if i
had a gun i don't think i could it's just not you'll work but I love killing people in games. Love it. Fucking I'll fuck you up.
All day.
I kill kids too.
In sports.
I don't give a fuck.
In those games, I'll kill fucking anyone.
You know?
In sports, right?
Kill grandmas.
It's very important for the game to be fair, right?
Because that's what makes a sport.
But you know what the ball represents, right?
Regardless if it's football,
football, American football,
football, European football, or whatever.
Do you know what the ball represents?
It represents destiny.
And you're supposed to will.
A Mayan head.
You're supposed to will. A Mayan head. You're supposed to will destiny.
That's the whole point of games, right?
It needs to be fair.
That's why you have referees.
But the ball always represents destiny.
And it's on you to will it into your favor.
I heard that Tom Hanks was on Epstein Island with Mr. Wilson.
What does that mean?
It's probably, I mean, this whole, this whole, who cares about celebrities?
And, you know what I mean?
I care about, like, if hedge fund people, people that run banks are on the island.
Sorry, I was just Bless you
Gesundheit
Alright, I'm asking
Homes if he wants
to come in here and if he doesn't
I'm probably going to close out soon
because Hitchslap and Sally have abandoned me
I don't know what to Slap and Sally have abandoned me.
I don't know what to do up here.
I'm lost.
Sounds like you're doing great to me.
Followers?
I hate hosting things.
I thought that football and baseball games and stuff and hockey, especially, were about everyone coming together and wearing some rad garb i didn't know it was about like a destiny ball or money no of course i just learned
that
it represents destiny the ball does yeah or the Or the hockey puck or whatever, yeah, it represents destiny.
What did it start, did it start out doing that?
Like, what was the first ball game made?
Well, right, so like with everything, it starts the foundation, right?
The foundation is everything, right?
So it's like, when you play play a game there has to be rules
if the game is to go forward
it has to be fair
life isn't fair
just not for Green Bay and Seattle
right
it's not
everybody knows that it's not completely fair
but they you have to have a rough understanding of what the rules are it's not, everybody knows that it's not completely fair,
but they,
you have to have a rough understanding of what the rules are.
Otherwise the game,
it's not,
it's not a game.
Yeah.
So it,
so it like simulates nature.
100%. Yeah.
There,
when I was, um, just a stall here or whatever but this is i mean this is an interesting
conversation when i was going through foster care uh i was one of my foster homes sent me
to a wilderness program and then forgot about me so i was out in the fucking wilderness as a young kid for six months.
Okay, this was like a fucking foster parents, man.
No, but the interesting thing is when you're out there, it is so fucking uncomfortable in ways that I understand people go camping, blah, blah, blah.
Listen, you guys don't fucking understand.
Okay.
Like if you haven't had to survive in a fucking winter.
Out in the.
It is so.
There are nights where you cannot sleep.
I understand there's people with insomnia.
Shut the fuck up.
It does not compare.
There are nights where you cannot sleep.
Your body will not let you. are nights where you cannot sleep.
Your body will not let you because you're so fucking cold.
And you're on rocks every single fucking day.
And there's no hope of like, oh, I get a bed tomorrow or whatever.
It is horrendous.
The food sucks ass. There's no Liam Neeson.
We would make ash cakes, which for anyone who doesn't know, it's flour, water, and ash.
It's cooked in, it's a part of the cake.
In fact, it's the only flavor in it is the ash from the charcoal and the fire.
We would eat this every day.
So the food sucks.
Everything fucking sucks.
I've never been happier.
I've never been more fulfilled in my fucking life. It was horrendous.
It was so uncomfortable in ways that like we, even now, if you threw me out there, I'd be
miserable in a way. But then over months, there's like this adventure,
adventure, purpose, something innately human of like, uh, uh one of the we would have to make our
own fires so making a fire out of sticks is really fucking difficult and painful your you
your hands blister um also i was a young girl so i'm weak you have to be strong your hands have to
blister over and form calluses to get to the point where you can even
do like a hand drill because your hands will bleed onto the fucking ember and then you can't
get an ember because you're bleeding onto it so you you have to suffer and and build your body
to be able to feed yourself but there's something miraculous that happens when you can do it.
You can actually make the ember.
And of all the kids there and all the people that were in this wilderness program.
It actually took me the longest to actually get an ember.
I could not do that.
Every day, all day, I'm sitting there trying to start a fire.
I could not fucking do it.
And then by the end of of it i could make a i had it on record i think a two and a half second ember which is
fucking insane first of all for anyone listening i that means i made a little ember that you can
make a fire out of in two and a half seconds now i know i know no one fucking no one understands that's crazy
that's how do you do that i just got really i knew how to after a while i knew like how to get
the wood how to strike the wood and angle where to put pressure because it's not just about strength
finding very dry like you know what i mean like Not just the material, though, because we would learn how to do it with sage.
So different types of wood do it faster, but I got a two and a half second ember out of sage, which is not the easiest or the hardest.
But it's, you know.
But yeah. It's not a bad plant to be burning but but it
was more the way I did that was like the angle of the wood and it was a bow drill too it was not a
hand drill um but a bow drill and I got it in like yeah two swipes of like understanding not just the
wood but the placement of it where do you it. Where do you put the pressure?
How fast do you do it?
It's not always about just doing the sticks fast and then an ember coming.
It's also about pressure.
Pressure points, blah, blah, blah.
Whatever.
I got really fucking good at it.
But anyway, who the fuck cares?
My point is there's something that fulfills a void.
And I noticed this now.
I have this endless fucking void and I'm filling it with money.
I love money.
I love money.
I love living wealthy.
I have a beautiful apartment, blah, blah, blah.
There's a void, man, in comfort that I don't care how many people love you or how much money you have.
It does not fill.
Out in nature, it just fills you.
It gives you something.
So I built my own house in the middle of nowhere, right?
I don't want to get on that, but just comparing to your story,
Comparing to your story, and you said six months you were out there, if you had to pick the worst day you had out there versus being stuck in traffic, which one would you pick?
and you said six months you were out there.
Wait, sorry, if I had to what?
Wait, sorry. If I had to what?
The six months that you're out in the wilderness.
If you had to pick the worst day, your most miserable day out there versus being stuck in just regular traffic, which one would you prefer?
Traffic.
Really?
Yeah. Well, because what I'm saying is it's not about.
Because what I'm saying is it's not about, so if I took all of you, I put you in that wilderness situation out in the cold and it's a shitty day, that day would suck ass.
The fulfillment I'm talking about is from, was from being out there for months.
Exactly.
Literally, if my foster family had remembered, I don't even know the point of the wilderness program.
If you're there for a couple weeks and then you go back home you don't learn anything you're just
suffering for for a couple weeks it was it was you know no the fulfillment the fulfillment i got
was from being forced to that was where i lived for six months it It doesn't fill you in one day.
Yeah, I'd rather sit in traffic in a nice car with air conditioning than...
But over the period of time, of months...
Knowing that you're getting somewhere.
If I could get the feeling of fulfillment and be in luxury luxury That would be sick
If I could have all my comforts
And then also have whatever void gets filled
Out in the wild
That would be sick
If a Lamborghini could fulfill you
The way that living out in the wilderness does
It would be great
Will we choose
If we choose to do it It's's different than if we were stuck somewhere.
No one would choose to do it.
That's the point.
No one's going to fuck in, except for those monks or those.
You see those hippies sometimes that are like, I love being out in nature.
But no one here realistically is going to get rid of their comforts
and maybe that's why it fills you is like no one's gonna sit in the in a yeah freezing to death
eating shitty food for six months to fill a void and that that's the craziest part about it is like
it really does fill that void and everyone
in here probably knows what i'm talking about when i talk about the void but also no no one's
going to choose hardly anyone is going to choose to go out yeah suara what's up hi um i was gonna
ask you know if if being out in nature and the kind of survival instinct fills a very big void.
Why do we get envious of people who are richer than us
and have material possessions like nice cars?
What's that about?
What's envy of material possessions about?
Why do we feel that?
It's the power that they yield.
I think they get to pay their bills
like the daily.
It's not the big stuff.
I think it's the little stuff
to get you by part of it.
And like the ability to go see family,
the ability to get rent paid.
I don't think it's the Lamborghinis
and the mansions and the big stuff.
I think, I mean, people are jealous of Elon because he has a beautiful brain and no one can have that brain.
Swara, how I would answer this is more just like technical.
I'd look at like our genetics is like, well, the reason for that is like when you are out in the wilderness, there's still that aspect of I have something
better than you. In fact, like, yeah, my ember, I was really proud of that. Yeah, I do a faster
ember than you other bitches. Look at me. Ha ha. That human nature of I have more than you,
or in the case of like there were times where we'd build our own structures, I built some really cool
fucking shit out there i had a nice
house and i loved having that so that human nature that i think what's happening is more like just
innate of like it is in our nature to want what other people don't have and society has progressed
but the genes are lagging behind is like conceptually conceptually um conceptually um it will fill the
void the lamborghinis and the the power and the money and the it will eventually we're lagging
we for some reason um you know we've advanced way way faster than our bodies are ready for.
That's my belief.
There is no reason that makes sense, like, in terms of the utility of it, that a Lamborghini should not fulfill you.
It should.
And it makes sense for people to want um want
things lamborghini should fulfill you only if you can go fast but the reality is like our bodies
just don't respond in the same way what really will fill a void for you is if you make everyone
go back to the forest and then you build a big stick structure. That will fulfill you.
Which is basically like a Lamborghini.
back then.
It's like
what is
the void?
The void we're
disconnected.
It's probably genetic, man.
When I talk about a void that's filled, I'm talking about, like, look at suicide rates in first world countries.
It's because we've advanced faster than our bodies can.
We spent, like, if you look at how slow things are to advance, I think it took 4 million years, if I remember correctly.
4 million years to become ambidextrous for another four
million years to learn how to pick up a rock and use it and turn it into a tool it took millions
and millions and millions for tiny little changes to happen in our bodies and then suddenly within
30,000 years we're in like spaceships driving around in cars.
Like we've advanced faster than our bodies can adjust to it.
So when you do go out in nature, your comforts aren't fulfilled, but there's something in your DNA or something.
It's where it goes away.
So it takes us longer to love being out in nature.
It takes us longer to, like, realize, like, oh, I needed this than it did when we didn't have that much.
You know.
What I'm saying is that we're all genetic code.
And the genetic code is there because our parents won.
And the parents that didn't win don't have any kids and don't exist now.
You exist because of millions and millions and millions of years of people being able to have babies.
And if you're not having a baby, you lose.
You don't procreate, you lose.
Game over there.
Whether that's genetic, you're infertile,
or you're awkward, or what the fuck ever,
you lose when you stop having babies.
So you're ingrained with a set of, I guess, bodily expectations for how your life should be.
And a lot of those expectations, we're gone from them.
So we cannot fulfill them in our houses with our air conditioners and what the fuck ever.
I think this is a huge reason people kill themselves.
so it's it's just about like being adaptable and dealing with it until we evolve to be able to be
comforted by um yeah money well there's the ebb and flow as well and and sometimes like
the ebb feels like it'll never end like traffic but we at least we know that we're getting to where we need to be but when we're and that's
a beauty thing of being in nature because there's no time like time stops you know time stops when
when starship launches or falcon 9 or whatever like everything stops all the bad stops or
and i don't know how to explain that really. One thing, one of the most difficult things in my, in right now, uh, is that a lot of
family members are becoming close to death, like hospice.
Right.
And it's crazy to see these people where their mind is there, but their body is completely
is there, but their body is completely failing. And I think that when you do things that are
failing.
adventurous, it's easier to die one way or another. And I think that's the big elephant in the room
is death. And it's not talked about enough. And I think it's very important. If it were talked about more, people would take, they would enter more adventures where they would have a fulfilled life.
in society right now is done with, you know, the division and conquering by, you know,
the lack of adventure, like the chasing of money. Because there's really zero adventure in most
nine to five jobs. And that will, that's going to, like, when you become, we're all going to
have to, like, you know, hopefully we all become old and, you know, you don't die tragically.
But if your life, you know, because it goes by quicker as you get older.
But if it's like you have no adventures to think about or talk about and you wasted your life at a 9 to 5 job, which is a very, like, that's a new invention, this new 9 to 5 job that never existed before.
That's like a 100-year-old thing.
You're going to be...
So, like, what are our elements giving back to the universe?
If we die and we become the radio waves or another planet that, you know,
whereby, like, our dads and moms and they're, they're talking to us
and we're not living by purpose for earth here. Like what, what, what of our elements are we
giving back? So I think that in, in layman's terms, like, I think that life is kind of like
in-flight entertainment and we are, we ourselves are somewhat of time machines.
Like we are the time machine.
You don't need to build the thing.
We are it.
And how you write, do you want to be in first class or do you want to write coach?
And if you want to be first class, if you want to be in first class, you have to take adventure.
If you want to be first class, if you want to be in first class, you have to take adventure.
I love first class.
I will never not go first class.
In fact, like some dude.
Oh, my God.
Some dude invited me to go on a date.
Not to sleep with him.
Well, I wasn't going to sleep with him.
And he's like, do you I really need to fly you out
First class? Yeah bitch
What the fuck?
Why am I coming out if I'm not going
First class?
Can you imagine flying coach?
It's so ridiculous too
Flying first class is so
Expensive and it's not that much better
But it is better
It's just better it's a waste
of money but terrible i like the waste of money this is this is why the men should make the money
there's usb ports i i don't want to know how much it costs i'm a woman i can't do numbers
you're closer to the pilot you can hear them Could you imagine someone trying to fly you out
There's always some beautiful lady
Who's like do you want another drink
And I say yes I want another
I don't know how many I've had
But yes thank you for always asking
They're always there do you want another one
And then I show up blasted
Love it
Could you imagine someone trying to fly you out?
They pump someone.
Someone trying to fly you out,
and then you see your ticket,
and it says Spirit Airlines.
I just wouldn't go.
See, the men get so upset.
It's like, well, you're asking me to,
like, I can just have a chill in my apartment if you're romancing me manufactured the
fuselage by boeing um and then you'll have your answer it's annoying to me when men are like let
me romance you but don't expect too much it's like bitch like the taj maal you know that guy no one even knows his name
they know Mahal which was
his woman and they know
her because of what he built for her
but then these guys don't want to fly me first
class and you're going to pretend to be
romancing me
give me yeah give me
you're not building a Taj Mahal
for me
why can't women expect to be romanced?
Isn't that the whole thing?
You're supposed to woo me as a man.
You're supposed to, you know, titillate.
Titillate the woman.
It's like, look, I want you to come visit me, but I'm very poor.
Yeah, it's almost like, well, no more than that.
It has nothing to do with the money that they have it's
like well you see me as a coach girl that's not romantic why would i it's it's not romantic at
all if the man doesn't see me as a first class girl or he sees me as a mcdonald's girl what is
romantic about that that he doesn't like me so i don't like him like this is what like this is
what romance should be is you should like the woman enough that you want to woo her and if you
don't have the money go get them go be a man and figure out how to get the money to be really crazy
and see if he saves us we just need to do something really outlandishly wild and see if he rolls up on a horse and just fucking saves us.
We don't need all the small talk.
Real quick, because there's like a theory behind it.
Like, if a man has enough money, like, to, you know, well, one, if they have money, this is just like, we're going to work under the assumption they have money.
They are really not putting forth that much effort because they're making you fly out.
They're making you put the effort into going to see them.
So the least they can do is make sure that it is comfortable for you.
Like I'm just going to give an example.
Like a couple of weeks ago, I went out to, to see, um, uh, you know, guy that I've been
seeing for a while and he didn't, he didn't even, he didn't, he didn't even ask. He booked my ticket
and he booked a first class and it was only like an hour and a half flight, but like, you know,
he knew that I'm the one who's packing my shit and like getting ready to his last minute flight
and stuff. So, you know, yeah, he, he knew that I was the one who's making the effort and like getting ready to his last minute flight and stuff so you know yeah he he knew that
i was the one who's making the effort and like getting my shit together to try to go to the
airport so what the least he could do is like at least make it a comfortable flight
yeah it's also this also has to do it has to do with nature, because it's like if you look at birds, you know, like the male bird is all colorful.
You're supposed to show me your feathers, like get the resources and like get your big stick and bang stuff and do a dance.
And I see all these people.
It's like the men now, they'll shame you for not chasing them.
It's like, well, i'm not a man i will never be shamed into
being a woman and knowing that i'm a woman like we live in crazy worlds right now you're supposed
to be the man who shows me his show me your resources like get my cavewoman brain going. Why would... Anything else is not nature.
It's not natural, obviously.
Now things are a little bit different.
It's like when I was growing up, that's the way it was.
But like my son, who's in his mid-20s,
it's different.
These women chase him down.
But if you're not going to fly one out,
Thirsty hoes are not women.
Just like women used to rule the roost and say,
you either do it my way or else.
Now the guys have the same luxury.
Again, there's no hoes and not women.
I'll tell you in a heartbeat, nobody is good enough for my son.
And I will teach him how to avoid come on the gold digger all day
long and tell him to the curb but this is like the problem that we're seeing is like yes the women
are chasing the men but if you look at that hormonally this does not stimulate vasopressin
if i meet in fact we call it daddy issues if a woman is chasing a
man they must all have daddy issues because they're chasing my son left and right they do
they no yeah all the girls chasing him are are either growing up in feminist culture teaching
them to be a man we're not taught what being a woman is but also hormonally this turns men off they're entertained
by it but they don't fall in love with women chasing them it is not in our nature if you define
nature uh the woman is not really in love with that man they're chasing they're just going to and go insane with a gold digger this is where I would
differ from you too
I think an intelligent woman
who knows she's a woman
you could say she's a gold digger
but I think there should also be a differentiation
there of like
is a woman a gold digger
if she wants a man
who has a lot of money but then let's say she settles down and never cheats on him, even if she has options of men with more money, is she then still a gold digger?
I tell my son, ask that female, what is she bringing to the table?
You have to have a, well, this, I think that she needs to meet the dad
you should have enough gold
to give enough gold away
hang out with the dad of the man
wait wait what is she bringing
to table she is the one who's getting
on the flight
who's going to see your son
who's unpacking her stuff
and getting her shit together
and like going to see him.
So, I mean, I don't know how that says gold digger.
He knows how to do that.
No, but the woman has a womb.
And right there's obvious...
Yeah, what she brings to the table,
which modern culture doesn't want to admit this,
I don't understand.
It's a crazy planet.
Yeah, the womb.
Women in the past did not chase men just for their money like they do today.
I know, but the women...
I grew up in the era. I know. I saw it firsthand.
They birthed the babies.
They birthed the babies.
Well, women shouldn't be chasing men regardless, whether it's over a six-pack or whatever.
Anything else is not... I don't have faith that it will work hormonally.
It doesn't stimulate vasopressin. You look at the way a man falls in love. It is not from a woman
chasing him. You look at the way a woman falls in love in a healthy way. It is from a man chasing her.
The woman, there's a biological, genetic. We're supposed to.
We're the sexual selectors.
And when you tell men to be sexual selectors and you look at them, they end up just sleeping with tons of women and don't commit to any of them.
There's a whole lot of difference, though.
Like when I was growing up, women were a hell of a lot more modest than they are now.
Now they'll throw it out to anybody.
And, in fact, they want to have five guys at the same time.
Yeah. You know, and instead of bringing the men up, cause they used to complain about the men
doing that, then they've, they've brought their self down. Yeah. Instead of bringing the man,
the man up to their level. And, you know, we just raised my kids to where if you can't respect
yourself, you sure as hell can't respect somebody else.
If you're not happy in your own skin, how the hell are you going to make someone else happy?
This just makes me so glad I do not have daddy issues.
I say this all the time.
Like, thank God I don't have daddy issues.
Because, yeah, I believe you're right.
That is a good thing. That's a great thing.
A lot of problems. My dad
is the greatest. Some people are
trying to be like, oh, you're trying to marry your dad.
Goddamn right. My dad
fucking took, like, my dad is an
extremely hard worker. He's an alpha
male. He took care of my mom.
My mom was his first
and only love.
They have a cute story, actually. They have a really cute story. They got, they have a cute story. Actually,
they have a really cute story. They've been married for almost 50 years. They raised five
kids together and they're still happily married at, you know, my dad's like 82. My mom's like 75.
And, you know, I think we were talking about my cousin the other day who, who fell into
a really bad place right now. He fell into like drugs and gambling and stuff.
And it's because he broke up with his love of his life. And he, he thought he could do better.
He thought he could, you know, he thought he was going to find somebody else and stuff. And guess
what happened to him? He, he fell into a deep hole and this woman was there supporting him,
like, you know, helping him with his business. And you know, she was, I mean, she was there supporting him, like, you know, helping him with his business. And, you know, she was,
I mean, she was there as long as I can remember. She was around since I was like in high school.
And after like 15 years, he breaks up with her and look what happens to him. Like the thing is,
is that men don't appreciate the emotional support and like, and even the support they give to the man in the business and behind
every successful man is a supportive woman. You build an empire together. And for a man,
so for a man to be like, Oh, well, you know, it's, she's just a gold digger. He's looking at
the wrong women because the right woman is a woman who's going to bring him confidence and
who's going to bring him positivity at the end of the day when he's been working hard
and is going to bring him that peace
after he's been working hard
and he's been earning money.
It's a double-edged sword.
I don't want y'all to get the wrong answer.
It's such a weird...
Hold on.
Myspace.
I'm a bad leader.
I'm an authoritarian leader.
It's such a weird, um, fuck.
What was I going to say?
We have a nurture in us.
It, it, it's such a weird world to live in.
Like, I went on a date with this guy, and then he ghosted me, and I was like, what the fuck?
But I didn't say anything, and then he texted me.
He's like, um, hey. And I'm like, sitting there like, what the fuck but i didn't say anything and then he texted me he's like um hey and i'm like sitting
there like what the fuck and basically what it came down to is he's like well you didn't chase
me so and i'm sitting here like what the fuck clown world is this like i'm the woman and these
men are competing with me to be the woman i didn't chase you sir i didn't chase
your womb uh i didn't chase you to impregnate and protect you what what am i chasing you for
chase you for what are you not the protector and the provider are you not the man what what why
would i it doesn't make sense too though i scared too, though. I don't care.
Then he's a weak, then he can't protect me.
So he's a princess.
Exactly. The woman should always be weighing her options and letting the men bond with you and fall in love with you and prove yourself.
It has to be that way.
It has to.
I have two daughters that are strong, feminine women.
And I say strong because they were raised around guns.
They were taught to shoot guns.
And they go to the pistol range with their boyfriends.
In fact, that's probably one of the first places I send them as soon as they meet somebody that they're serious with because i want this person to know
you try to abuse her daddy's going to take care of you but he really doesn't have to because she
can handle herself because that's the great equalizer and i want my daughters to be tough now do i not want them to be a
i want them to to have confidence in who they are as a woman there you go there you go zentani
you said that women are the sexual selectors yes even even our wombs recent studies have come out did you know wombs will even be
a second fail safe they'll reject sperm if they don't like it yep so so how long has this been
going on like since when how long have we been have women been the sexual selectors yeah i was
just curious what our species in our i think since we've been
hominids surely since we've been uh for how many millions of years i don't know before
what was before apes so we were the women were sexual selectors for our species so you think
you think for millions at least at least okay To answer your question, at least 8 million years back that long, at least probably prior
Okay.
Okay.
So you think that men amongst themselves didn't decide who was going to get what you think
women decided a thousand years ago?
What?
No, men.
No, this is, this is the dynamic dynamic if it's natural and it's gonna last
no the dynamic i'm pointing out the man chooses i'm pointing out the man chooses what he wants
i'm pointing out okay well i'm not wrong so i'll answer one thing at a time go ahead the man chooses
the woman he wants and the way men fall in love if you look
neurologically at the way men fall in love they have to stimulate vasopressin so
a man will not bond with you and commit to you unless he a does things for you
proves himself to you struggles to get you if these things do not happen a man
will not stay with you so he does not bond women do not fall in love in the same way
a woman can fall in love with fucking any and they do they can fall in love with any man
5 000 years ago this type of courtship behavior was going on and men
and the strongest men weren't just deciding which women they wanted they do that's the first thing
that happens a man chooses the woman he wants and he goes after that means tries to get her that
means that men are kind of dominating the dating pool you know historically because historically no this this the sexual selector
um it's not about choosing the one you want it's about accepting from your options so the woman
does not look at men and say i want that one over there if he's not chasing her that's not her
option so if a woman is for example she's not very pretty okay
and she's going on tinder and she's going after these are all things that these are all things
that have happened over the past like 70 years prior to 70 years ago women didn't have much say
in anything even courtship yes and the man the man would take over yes the man would take over that role
preferably their father the point that i was making is yes women have been determining
the these these like dating pools for the past 50 to 60 years but prior to that women never
really had any say so and it was mostly men you know optimizing amongst themselves who was going to get
what yes there's there's times even if you look at nature there's hold on there's there's so there
are times where society deviates from nature yes um but these these women are not yeah they're not
all yeah it works because of how women fall in love. So if the father decides, but it's still simulating nature.
I'm not trying to sidetrack what you're saying.
I get what you're, the biochemistry and the chemical nature of falling in love.
I'm not, I just, you said that one thing and I was just like, wait, that's not right.
Because historically men have decided who was going to get what for thousands of years.
Not for all that, no.
We have a long complex history there were times
where women had no rights some rights all rights they and this also this feminist thing going on
now it's not the first time this has happened either there have been many times throughout
human history where women have had rights um and sort of been allowed to vote and own property and choose their
own men. It phases in and out. But I'm talking about the nature, the idea, the concept of a man
being the sexual selector who chooses from his options and the women are chasing him. It does
not work. Let me ask you this. This is kind of an interesting thought experiment.
If more of the time throughout our history as homo sapiens, men have been the sexual selector,
do you think from an evolutionary standpoint—
Men have never been the sexual selector.
Let me finish. Do you think men are better at deciding who should be with who rather than women?
You think men are better at deciding who should be with who rather than women?
No, actually, there's studies on this.
So women can smell your genetic compatibility.
Men do not possess the same strength.
Men are attracted visually and other senses, but men cannot smell if you're a good genetic match.
Women can.
We have a disagreement.
It sounds like we agree, but we're disagree not a this is not something you can disagree with your study
but i was saying that men mostly through the history of homo sapiens men have mostly been
the sexual selectors because we're we're the stronger we're the stronger counterpart we've
always been the ones that have decided this is going to be mine oh i'm stronger
than that male i'm going to have that and since given if that's the truth men have been the sexual
selectors for longer period periods of time no you cannot oh you cannot i'm sorry but can i just
jump in hold on no you cannot take away the the biological When you say sexual selector, I'm saying the body, the physical body of a sexual selector cannot be allotted to a man.
Yes, a man can force a sexual selector to mate with someone else.
But a sexual selector, this is my body.
I am a sexual selector, my organs, my body even my sense i can smell aside from that what
has happened for david hold your davis if we were together right now okay let's say you're attracted
to me or not attracted to me doesn't matter i possess in my biology the capability of knowing
if we would have healthy children you do not possess this ability because you are not a sexual selector
This cannot be allotted to a man. I mean it can be but it will get it will fuck up
That's what I'm saying is okay
You can give the job to a man, but a man will never be able to
Be the sexual selector as good as a woman. As in, yes, when men have taken over this,
I guarantee you the babies born are not as healthy
as the babies would have been born
if the woman were doing the choosing.
For example, go ahead.
Okay, and I see what you're saying,
and I actually, I agree with what you're saying,
but historically, because men have been the stronger sex over time.
And if you look at history, men have been the deciders of sexual selection.
And so if you think about that and you run that over a long period of time and you believe in evolution,
then you would have to believe that perhaps through evolution,
men have developed a better ability at determining sexual selection since we've done more of it over thousands and millions of years. No, no, no. And there's, yes, what you're saying is not completely true.
Then you don't believe in evolution then.
Davis, let's say you have the farmer girl and you're like the farmer girl needs to marry the
retard down the road okay but farmer girl smells retard down the road and says I don't like his
scent I don't like sleeping with him and she goes and fucks the farmer boy okay this would happen
all the time too so the idea that the babies being born are always chosen by the men
is not fucking true uh women will bypass that and sneak around and figure out who the fuck they want
to have babies that would be the exception not the rule no way what you force a girl to marry
retard down the road who can barely get his dick up you think that he she isn't sleeping around with
a farmer boy no no that's all over our history about 5 000 years ago it's going to be the most fit male that gets
all the all the women yeah 5 000 years ago there were times in our history again where women were
not just overpowered by men this is a feminist propaganda the idea that men have always enslaved us. Different regions of the world, different cultures.
You look at ancient Mesopotamia and Sumerian.
There are times in history where the woman gets to choose.
And, you know, when you let them choose, unless there's some cultural propaganda machine like feminism, which is fucking everything up,
the women will let the men bang their sticks and
show their muscles and put on a performance and they choose the best man. Yeah. And I know that
it's been like that culturally, but it seems like even if we, if we broaden that timeline to say
like a hundred thousand years and we go back even further, you know, as we be in our more primitive
periods, it has seemed like men, it logically makes sense that men were the sexual selectors just because of their physical fitness.
No. When I'm talking about sexual selector, I'm saying my brain has formed to choose from a series of options. My brain is not formed to chase men. I can chase chase men it's not going to go over well i i tell this
to my girlfriends all the time they're going insane they're chasing the guy with the six
pack circumstances that i'm explaining it doesn't want them under the circumstances that i'm
explaining men are competing and chasing the women and being the sexual selector do you see
what i'm saying you're kind of you're kind of arguing no that's not what a sexual selector is david your man chooses the woman he wants we're fighting over definitions
then david you're neglecting yes that the woman's body also so even if the man selects her her body
doesn't necessarily select to have offspring like our female when i say when i say sexual selector i'm saying the
biological organism that is built to say yes or no the man's job is to say i want that one
the woman's job is to say yes or no she is not supposed to say i want that one she's supposed to look at the ones she has that want her already
and to say yes or no to them and men have i don't know what the fuck is happening to planet earth
men are jealous of this for some reason it's not a better life uh it sucks sometimes your options
suck ass you know wait what are men you have to say no to all of them men are jealous of sexual selectors they want to
be the sexual selectors they want to be chased they want to be princesses what i'm saying is
being a princess in a tower is not all it's caught up to be and men are not good at it
definitions of sexual selector i think we kind of have like opposite yes you have the wrong one yeah we're getting
hung up on definitions no you you don't know what a sexual selector is that's what's happening
men should care about if we want to go 5 000 years ago like territory now now you could think of money
or or yeah money money whatever but then the the's like, the women should be the second thought of a man.
A man should be, like, make an empire.
His own personal empire.
And then the women will come to the man.
It shouldn't, you should not, if you have no empire, and you're trying to court a woman,
it's just a matter of time before it fails.
Because you're fake.
Well, it depends on the woman you want, Red.
Like, this is, again, why there's a system for this.
When men say, oh, women are so picky and blah, blah, blah,
we're supposed to be picky.
You're supposed to, yeah, have the resources to have the,
but you're also picky.
You want the hot girl with the big perky tits, okay?
So, like, you need the empire to woo the big perky tit girl.
Like, you can get someone who doesn't, has saggy tits way easier.
But you don't want those, right?
You want the big naturals.
You want the big naturals and the tiny little waist and all the things men like.
And if you want that, the way it's supposed to be is you're supposed to work for it.
But now we live in a world where it's opposite land and it doesn't work.
Wait, hold on, David.
I saw a study once.
David, hold on.
Zintani. Where they had all the men saw a study once. David, hold on. Zintani.
Where they had all the men, you know, they showed them different pictures to get their reaction,
and they hooked them up to the, you know, all the neural link stuff, not neural link,
but stuff to measure their brain activity.
And what scored higher than anything else was a woman in a long evening dress fully clothed
the one that that scored the least was obviously a woman in look like panties that look more like
diapers but but somebody a female even in a nice bathing suit, scored only about 36%.
Can I explain why that is?
Can I finish, please?
I mean, I know you're not trying to interrupt, but anyway, so the bottom line is that men,
it almost sounds like you're saying men and women do not have logical choice.
That their bodies just take over and their raging hormones tell them what to do.
And I call BS on that, to be honest with you.
Because men make decisions, good or bad Men make decisions, good or bad decisions.
Women make good or bad decisions.
Females sleep with men just like men sleep with women,
and then they regret the people that they sleep with most of the time.
They almost want to gnaw their arm off so they don't have to wake the other person up to leave before they wake up.
I've been there, done that many times in my younger days.
And the bottom line is men have emotions just like women do.
And for a woman to say almost that a man shouldn't have that, they're not a man they don't understand.
They had men to suppress their emotions.
I never said men shouldn't have emotions.
No, but it goes to the same point that...
I'm talking about biology.
Well, if you didn't have emotions...
Not just biology.
I'm also talking about a man falling in love.
The man doesn't even like the women chasing him.
The man does not fall in love from a woman chasing him.
I don't know.
Let me think about it.
How about I just leave if you're going to be a bully?
I might be a bully.
It's your group and you get to make choices, but I get to make one.
David's making some good points here.
He's sharing some wisdom.
It's not wisdom.
It's more of like current cultural propaganda.
It's not real.
And it's why birth rates are declining.
So it's annoying to hear the defenses of it, because more people should be having babies. And it's very obvious, you know, men, men, people, people, people always men. Also, the ones that nag at women and say, for example, they tell me I shouldn't have such high standards or they say, well, you shouldn't need first class.
They say you would be happier with a poorer man.
You should choose the man who's poorer.
He will treat you better.
This is not fucking true, actually.
Men with more money who give you more fall in love with you the more they give you.
This is rooted in our biology.
The more a man does for you, that is how he bonds with you.
He does your wall mount. He opens the pickle jar for you. He buys you a first class ticket.
This is how men fall in love. If we're pretending anything otherwise,
it's just a waste of time. Suara, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say the idea of females being sexual selectors goes back as far as females having long pregnancies.
Because they have to invest so much that they are the ones who want to select the male that will give them the best value or the best
offspring i guess now the the problem that males have and and you know with you with you demanding
first class flights is um you know it's like why why should i uh pay for a first class flight if i'm not act if i'm not guaranteed a baby from you um
and the other thing is um women or sorry female i i i won't talk about humans in particular
but um sorry men or males uh have an incentive to spread their seed as far and wide as as possible
have an incentive to spread their seed as far and wide as possible and the
female that gives birth knows that the baby that they've given
birth to is theirs because it's just being inside them whereas the the male
might be being cucked basically and being tricked into raising
a baby that's not really theirs and so there's there's different um like a dog like a dog
i mean it applies to every pretty much every animal where um animal where the female are the selectors and have long pregnancies.
Because the female, if they lose their partner or mate, not through any fault of their own,
they will want to trick another male into being the provider for their child and
obviously the male doesn't want to be tricked so they will guard their partner female partner
very closely so there's a lot of things that have to balance each other out and these have been selected for over time through natural selection
and they probably still do exist in our current society now the thing about asking for first
class plane tickets yeah you're right in that from your perspective as a woman that shows some
investment from the from the man that they're willing to guard you and invest in you and
everything else. But it's also, you know, it's a commitment from them that they don't necessarily
want to give. Yeah. And what you're saying, they say, why should I have to do it? Well,
that's the beauty of it. You don't have to to do it you can go get another girl that doesn't get offered first class flights so you don't have
to compete with that uh like go get a girl that gets flown out coach you know that that's that's
the answer that's the only answer it is gross i. Yeah. And a lot of women there. This is another thing is like I have a lot of girlfriends who are models. They're gorgeous and they're treated fucking terribly by men. And they're like, how do you do it? How are you getting treated so well? These women are way prettier than me.
you getting treated so well these women are way prettier than me um i'm not saying i'm dealing
with my own shit i if if men were perfect to me i'd be married but the problems i deal with with
men compared to these girls is like night and day so like truly sometimes what happens is like
the reason they're treated so shittily is literally because they are chasing these men
these model girls are choosing they're choosing a man that is not chasing them and they're chasing
them and men hormonally do not respect this do not fall in love with this this does not stimulate
vasopressin and they treat these girls like shit they sleep with them one time they don't text them
back if a man if that ever happened to me i don't know i'd blow up a city obsession you have with
vasopressin do you mean oxytocin no i'm talking about that so oxytocin is how women fall in love
but vasopressin is how men fall in love so these are different hormones yeah i know that's a
press and right we fall in water levels in your body.
Does it?
Yeah.
No, you're talking about vasoconstriction.
I'm talking about vasopressin.
Vasopressin is associated with the sympathetic nervous system, which makes people calm down.
I have never heard any of these words before.
I just want to throw that out there.
So there's many ways to stimulate vasopressin in men.
Interestingly, a lot of it is tied to sex, but it's sex in a specific way.
So making a woman, not to be too grotesque, I don't want to make this space gross, but just to say the truth.
Vasopressin is an antidiuretic hormone.
It regulates water levels in the body vasopressin v-a-s-o look it up look it up anti-diuretic
the body and that works in your kidneys look it up vasopressin is anti-diuretic hormone the same
it's the same thing no okay you're so she's talking
about your your central nervous system and your central nervous system um when you're talking
about vasodilation versus vasodepression vasodilation is associated with it has nothing
to do with vaso it has to do your your kidneys regulating no it doesn't okay have you davis i need you to hold on guys if anyone thinks davis
is not a dumbass go to google and search vasopressin okay and let's uh next because
this is a waste of time no i'll put it i'll put it in the female selector goes back to even think about male plumage in um like in birds um it's the males
that have to like you know that are colorful and stuff because they are trying to attract a female
mate um and the the female is the one that picks them and they're the ones who are trying to impress
the female and it that it goes as far as it's in nature. I mean, I don't know why you guys are arguing
because it simply exists in nature and in all species. Hormones do a bunch of things.
Vasopressin also, I'm sure, plays some influence on the kidneys. I'm sure oxytocin plays other
influences on different parts of the body. Its water regular davis shut the fuck up um
vasopressin in the context that i'm using it in we're talking about how a man falls in love
and how that hormone um influences a man falling in love
right so look up vasopressin men falling in love and google it does have some roles in the central
nervous system i think i think you might be right dude i was watching i am right i was watching this
animal show to what i was saying to what i was saying um if a man has not stimulated vasopressin
with a woman and sleeps with her he will actually be disgusted with her, disgusted by her, after he's done.
Um, and you can have a beautiful woman who's stunningly gorgeous.
It does not mean that man just falls in love with her.
Um, there's this idea that, uh, just being hot is all it takes and it's not. Men can absolutely
fall in love with a less attractive woman and bond to her and fall in love with her
over a more attractive woman. Of course the more attractive woman has a better chance,
but yes, men fall in love differently than women do.
So what is like the ultimate solution for the baby shortage?
Like what needs to happen in society?
Women need to stop chasing men.
stop chasing men um and not just stop chasing men but start rewarding men that chase them
listen but you were saying have the maturity because again being a sexual selector that i am
not talking about just like you get everything men and women are so stupid these days they're
trying to you were saying they're trying to have
the easiest life they're trying to have everything they fucking can right a sexual selector does not
get to choose um sexual from anyone they choose from their pool that's what they're allowed to
choose from so the women need to do a better job of making the men commit to them and fall in love
with them right so you went to this whole that's what needs to happen this whole diatribe about first class seats first class
tickets and you know man should spend x amount of money to show like oh you're wealthy da da da
but you know not all men not all men have that kind of money and there's yeah there's a lot of
really listen there are a lot of world-class guys that make like $60,000 to $70,000 a year that are athletic, good-looking, and have incredible character and are going to be overlooked by some women just because—or overlooked by a lot of women just because they don't make enough money.
And what's sad is those men know that.
So I'm just wondering—
Yeah, they should know that.
Everybody feels like they are getting trapped.
But what I'm saying is not.
My job, Davis.
My job as a biological.
Everybody can't make a million dollars.
Yeah, and not everyone can fuck me.
Yep.
What?
Yes, that's the way life is.
Well, let me ask you, Zinconi.
My job, Davis.
Let me finish. My job. Let me finish one thing. Well, let me ask you, Zinconi. My job, Davis, my job.
Let me finish one thing.
No, let me answer you.
My job as a woman is to find a man that will take care of me, that I will have healthy babies with, to find the best man that can do that from my pool.
that's my job so if the men are flying me first class that's my pool um if the men stop doing
That's my job.
So if the men are flying me first class, that's my pool.
that because i get too old or fat or ugly or whatever then that's not my pool anymore and
yes then the men i will start expecting the men to fly me coach but currently it's not a big ask
it's not even the start if i'm honest davis first class flight does not get you sex. It does not get you fucking anything.
It gets me to fly out somewhere. And even then it's not guaranteed. It's not like the first
class flight. It's, this is a part of courting. Right. So two things in Tani. So on some level,
let's say 10% of a person's life outcome is due to variance or random chance. So some people end up with lots of money that are
not skilled, talented, or have a high genetic integrity due to just chance. They got lucky.
They were in the right place at the right time. So in that instance, money is not really reflective
of their genetic integrity. Yes, I'm not attracted to trust fund babies. I will not date them.
Not even that. You could just be doing the right kind of job in the right area. You could be a home builder in the right area in America for the
past 20 years and now be worth $10 million. I know people right now that are like that.
Point number two. Yeah. Point number two. In this world that we live in- Who cares? Right. Well,
you're saying that you're looking for the best fit male. So are you looking- Yes. Are you looking
for the best genetically fit male? Yes. Or are you looking for the best genetically fit male?
Are you looking for the male with the most money?
No, the best genetics.
I didn't know.
What I'm saying is that sometimes money can be misleading because there's also random
kids.
Yes, I know that.
That's my job.
That's my job.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Okay.
I have a billionaire currently trying to emotionally abuse me.
Okay.
I'm not okay with this guy.
He's a billionaire.
I told him to go fuck himself.
You know why?
This is my job is I choose genetically the best fit person.
And yes, money is highly correlated with that.
So if a man has a lot of money,
it gets my attention. It doesn't get my submission. These are different things.
Okay. One more point. One more point. All right. What's next?
In this modern age, we have diagnosis like ADHD and so on and so forth you know people that are diagnosed with adhc they
get more time on all their standardized tests which leads to them people with technically lower
iqs getting into these higher level schools like columbia harvard uh uc berkeley and then when they
get there they also get extra help so they outperform their peers not because of their
their innate academic abilities but because of actually their disability. How many topics are you going to be like based? Yeah, I don't. This is the most
redundant. Let me finish. Let me finish. When they go to graduate school, they also get an
advantage because of their diagnosis. So you end up with like these people scattered all over society
with ADHD that have literally
traveled an easier path because of their diagnosis that end up being really rich.
What if you end up landing one of those guys and they're actually not what you think that
they are?
It's just they got it.
They got an easier route because their diagnosis.
Well, dude, nothing's perfect.
Everything's chance.
Okay.
Well, hold on.
Okay.
Davis, to answer your question, all of this is redundant. To answer your question, I have rejected many first class flights. Having money does not mean submission for me. It's my job. What I'm saying is it's my job to determine all of these things and I do it to the best of my ability will I succeed who the fuck knows I don't know but there's everything you're saying I don't see
the point it's redundant it's not addressing anything I'm saying no it is hitting directly on what you're saying, but... It's not. How's it not?
I am not, for example, attracted to trust fund babies.
It's not as simple as having money.
But I told you that example had nothing to do with trust fund babies.
It's just people being in the right place at the right time. You redirected it to other things that is basically the same thing.
Look, I'm making it too complicated.
There are people with more resources there are people
with more resources that are not very smart there are also people with more resources because they're
smart yeah i like those ones those are those are the ones i want right obviously this this is
redundant this goes without goes without being said is it possible that a retard could fool me that he's actually retarded just because he's rich
and he fools me um i highly doubt it but it's possible that's pretty funny you don't count it
out i guess we'd have stupid kids and they'll be poor kids and then I lose the game. Huh. I think Owl had a point that she wanted to make.
Or maybe she was just calling me redundant as well.
I don't know.
Well, I mean, you tried tying ADHD to lower IQs
and things like that.
It's kind of ridiculous.
But it's not about the money anyway.
Like, she wants both.
She's saying she wants both and she's
elevating their genetics above their finances it sounds like as the more dominant uh preference
you know because at the end of the day it's not about money but if my husband can afford
It's not about money.
But if my husband can afford to get me a first class ticket and he doesn't, then that's an issue.
If he can't afford it and that's the reason why is because times have changed, whatever, we're living on one income with six kids, then it's fine.
But I'm going to have the standard to where if it's affordable for him, he better be paying for it.
He better be providing for my family to the standard that we want.
I homeschool.
He needs to provide for the transportation to take them to the events that we do with these kids or whatever we're doing.
It's about having standards.
It's about teaching other women.
And men can listen in too, but it's mostly about
teaching these other women, stop chasing douchebags because you're going to land a douchebag.
Stop chasing other men that you think you want because they're not going to be the people you
want. You're going to be fooled because the want, you're going to be fooled. Because the men who
you need in order to have healthy, productive offspring are going to be the men who chase you
according to your standard. Being chased by any old man is easy. Okay, being chased when you have low standards that's easy we're talking about being
chased by men who appreciate the high standard but I've been married for 13 years now and I've
got six kids with this man and you know I'm not being chased by anybody anymore I guess I have
been but I ignore it right because I'm settled But there's lots of women in her position who aren't with anybody because they're waiting for the man who is willing to chase them based off of their high standard.
Right, right, right.
Being chased by you according to your standard.
I think that's the root cause of the whole dating issue that we see right now.
I think women have too high of a standard uh this is also true um
so it's not that women shouldn't be i think the term is hypergamous it's not that women shouldn't
be hypergamous it's that the internet has confused exactly women yes uh this is one of the so a lot of the red pill stuff they say is like retarded but this
is one thing they're absolutely correct about is uh women are confused about what men are actually
options for them yes yeah so an example is like my cousin she didn't have her first boyfriend
until she was 31 years old because both of her
parents packed her head full of shit that she was the queen of the world and that she hung the moon.
And so there was all these guys that came along that wanted to date her. And in her eyes,
they weren't good enough for her. And she had to go through serious depression. And she wouldn't
even admit to herself that a lot of her depression was oriented around this issue that she had which was her economics well it was her perception of herself
and where she fell in the dating pool she just couldn't accept it because her parents had
inflated her recess is a court feature yeah the the her parents had inflated her ego so much
she had to go through like six to seven years of depression and Prozac to finally accept
she was going to have to lower her standards in the dating pool.
And the guy that she ended up with.
No, the guy she ended up with.
John Roberts.
No, amazing guy.
Smart, funny.
He can sing.
Sure, he's not six foot tall, you know, but he's good looking.
He's like mental health.
No, he's not. He's very stable guy, but he's good looking. He's like mental health. No, he's not.
He's very stable guy.
He's like five, seven, five, eight.
But he just wasn't like this, like Chad that she thought that she was going to end up with.
So then you're saying she had to lower her standards when it actually sounds like she had to adjust her standards.
Her standards were needing to be adjusted in the right areas.
She had to prioritize the right things.
She might have prioritized the wrong things initially.
Yeah, that might be a better way of putting it.
That might be a better way.
I would, and I often say whenever this conversation gets brought up, I think women are doing their job as sexual selectors very poorly when they're looking for the prettiest boy to like them. This is
retarded. This whole six foot tall thing or like the tallest man you can get, you're talking about
selecting genetics for a tall man? What if he's stupid? What if he is poor and stupid? Like the,
or he has an alcoholism problem. like all of these things are way more
important than how tall he is or actually height is also important to select for because culturally
it's beneficial if you have a tall son he's more likely just on the basis of being tall to do
well but it's it shouldn't be your number one it should be near the bottom back to what you said
about plumage i mean human beings are also like this.
When someone is good looking and tall, you're more apt to listen to them.
You're more apt to perceive them as a leader.
That's just a part of plumage.
The same thing with hair color and eye color.
Women love blue eyes.
When you have blue eyes and you're talking to customers, you're a salesperson, especially
if you're talking to women, they already have salesperson, especially if you're talking to women.
They already have it made up in their mind that they love blue eyes and they're probably going to listen to you more just because you have blue eyes and you're six foot tall and tan.
Yeah, I just, Davis, like, I.
That goes back to Plumman.
I come across, like, there's many men that sort of get on my fucking case all the time about this, that I should lower my standards.
And I know this drives the men crazy because they think I'm a mid something
the fuck ever.
But the truth is,
I do have access to men that have a lot of money.
And when I lose that access,
I guess I've lost the game,
but,
I'm not mistaken about my,
I know exactly where my pool is i'm aiming maybe
maybe above it no no i would that wasn't a dig at you what i what i was saying about my cousin
wasn't a dig at you it was just a it was a set it was building but the idea the idea that i should
not take the first class flight and i should consider the guy who wants to fly me coach. No,
I'm not going to consider the guy that flies me coach ever. Well, you know, the love of your life
could be out in Arkansas right now, right now named Daryl. The way women fall in love is
different. So I could, I could fall in love with a broke, homeless, stinky loser if I really wanted to.
He hugs me enough, tells me I'm pretty, give me long enough.
I could probably fall in love with him.
But I'm not going to let myself, I'm not going to put myself into the position of falling
in love with a stinky loser.
I'm not going to do it.
So, Sinterni, first of all, congratulations for 20K.
And so my first question would be,
whom you are going to choose in a UBI society
where money doesn't matter?
I always say I don't think I am a gold digger.
I think I'm a gene digger.
So the reason I think money is important is because it indicates to me that this is a smart person.
But I do definitely care about those things, Davis.
I am curious.
Is this man intelligent?
Is he hardworking?
Is he stable?
Is he emotionally intelligent like all everything
i analyze everything and i'm very slow moving i don't sleep with a fucking the i i know on if if
if the red pillars are in here everyone thinks i'm a slut um it just assumes every woman is a slut
um i i don't sleep with men for it takes me months and months and months and months.
I weigh out everything.
I'm not going to put myself in a position of possibly getting pregnant.
And I'm also not on birth control.
So my birth control is literally not sleeping with men.
But yes, I care more.
I care more. I think money is important is important and it is attractive it's absolutely
attractive but um you talked about biology genetics but why then you are ignoring your own
uh biology which where you might uh you know get with a loser who keeps saying that you are pretty and maybe do everything for you.
I mean, that's what your mind...
Rob, because the wealthy men are also telling me I'm pretty.
But then...
So...
No, that's all right.
But then...
Where is the confusion here? If I could be called pretty and cuddled in a first class flight or I could be cuddled in a mud hut, what would you choose?
Well, I am a man and I have different priorities.
But I mean, honestly, to me, you seem like a person who doesn't care much about money.
I care a lot about money.
You think you do.
I mean, it is important.
I mean, that's why I asked that what you will do in a UBI society where money won't matter.
I would choose the men that would otherwise make the money in that society
i would i would select for the types of men that would make money
um how's it can i ask a question yeah uh sorry to interject like this um And if there's background noise, I'm at my daughter's gymnastics gym.
So I just want to ask, if we
all look at
the Cinderella story, okay?
Because we've all been indoctrinated by some sort
of a story that
gives us an idea of what life is
when we're little kids.
The Prince Charming, he's not
successful because of his own efforts.
He's successful because his his own efforts he's successful
because his mother and father are the monarchs of her country so the prince charming cinderella
story you've got a you've got a girl who falls in love with him but you've got sisters who throw
themselves at this guy who he's not interested in he also has a selection of who he wants
um and then none of them are looking for the stable boy or the guy who built the castle
they're all looking at the prince charmer so there's a bit of a question here for you do you you. Do you think that's sort of the general idea of how we picked our
partners or do you think those stories are just made up?
I think that the Prince Charming has someone he's chasing and yes there's all
the women that are chasing him but even even in the story. He ignores literally all of those women.
It never works out.
If a woman is chasing.
I actually had to go through.
Because I've known this for a long time.
But I actually got tricked by someone.
Recently.
Got down bad.
Where he'd chase and chase and chase.
And prove himself and prove himself.
And then I'd finally accept.
And then he would run away
And I'm like
Confused as fuck about that
So that got me but now I know
That trick and you know
On to the next it only works if they chase
If a man is chasing you
But he can with his wealth
Let's call
Prince Charming who he is
He's able to with his father uh lure woman towards him
yeah but he never wants those women but he can choose because he chose the cinderella he didn't
choose this he doesn't do that though but but now here's the thing the the first class tickets take woman to an isolate like a secluded island or a
very exotic very uh so so you're not going to find a lot of men uh that would be in certain places
okay if you're gonna if you're gonna go on holiday if you're gonna come to south africa where i live
you know you um you're sort of isolated from the general world where if you took someone
to new york city and you're always out at clubs or you know you're sitting in coffee shops many people
you as a guy are at risk of losing this girl that you are testing because because i can tell you now
as a man i'm 45 now but back in the day, I didn't just go and, you know, randomly try and be with every girl.
I lived in Dubai.
I lived in Italy.
I lived in a lot of places.
And there was a specific girl that I met once on a cruise line.
And I fell in love with this girl.
And I pursued her through letters and whichever way.
I had that, I feel, feeling that you say that women beautiful in my eyes not just that but I sort of
the way she laughed the way she spoke the softness of her you know those kind of
sort of her personality was what I clung onto and and I really wanted that part of my life so i do i do agree with you that woman
can have a stronger um ability to from a which uh hitslap hates uh
emotionally intelligence point of view choose a better man but men are also able to do that i can promise you that
i think you might might just be in an arrogant pool or in a different society you know with
your model friends than a guy who's no one agrees with what i'm saying what i'm saying
is rooted in truth i am not in an echo chamber at all.
I'm shouting from the rooftops on in what do they call it?
Inalienable truths because I'm autistic and I like true things, even if it makes everyone uncomfortable.
That's what I like.
I like looking at looking at the truth and saying it. And this example you give about the t-shirts,
that wasn't comparing men and women.
That was just showing that there was some olfactory component
to sexual selection.
It wasn't a comparison between men and women, by the way.
I know what study you're talking about.
I'm not talking about the one where women smell
the shirts of their loved ones. But that actually goes into this modern idea of a possibility for miscarriages.
It seems to be the case that women who have better sense of smell
miscarry when they're around men that didn't impregnate them,
which is a new hypothesis, but they're looking into that.
Can I ask them about miscarriage?
No, but that's not the study I was talking about.
Do you support male polygamy?
In 2025, I would not encourage men to try to have a harem.
It's the worst time, the worst time for it right now for men.
Oh, you mean polygamy in general?
Yeah, polygamy in men.
Oh, for men and women.
More women, that's what I mean.
Okay, so just the man doing it.
Right, right.
No, this does not um it's the worst time that it's the worst time in history
for a man to do that look at elon musk okay this is the most powerful man in the world his harem
is going insane because right now we live in a world where um it is more favorable for women that are smart and less favorable for men that earn things.
Yeah, it's not a good time because if a woman, for example, if one billionaire likes you and you're a woman, the high probability more billionaires also like you.
So it doesn't matter how much money you have.
Those women are going to be problems for the man. And they will cause problems for the man. The likelihood that
all of your wives will submit to you and everyone's a happy family is extremely low.
No, so I didn't ask that. Do you recommend men for going for multiple wives?
I asked that, do you support or do you allow your husband to marry more women if you get the perfect one?
Would I submit to it?
Again, low likelihood that I would submit to that for the reasons I said is I can do better.
So probably not I mean uh every woman will go old right so uh maybe uh men might uh do a lot of things
to chase that woman when she was young but if he's a woman chaser and he has money and the wife will obviously go old, he can chase a new one by the same way.
Yeah, but then he's not in love with her.
If a man truly falls in love with a woman, he's not going to need external whatever.
Something happened wrong hormonally there in fact if you look at cheaters
chronic infidelity um the two genetic variants i tweeted this like i think yesterday the two
most common genetic variants found in chronic people with chronic infidelity is dopamine retention so these are just like
generally unhappy people and the other is vasopressin uh retention so these people
these men do not fall in love with anyone they don't fall in love are you saying excessive
dopamine or the lack thereof the lack lack of dopamine and the lack of vasocrescent problems and dopamine problems.
There are men in the world who
cannot fall in love. They don't even know
what love is. They know what fixation
is, but they've never been in love.
Women too. There's people in
the world who have never been in love.
There's four people in here.
There's like a mother, a father,
and then a not mother and a not father.
If your parents were cheaters, you're way more likely to also be that type of, you know,
you might have those genes where you just cannot fall in love.
Yeah, I agree.
It's a real thing.
American blue genes.
I think most behavior is inherited anyway.
You're going to buy a 23andMe.
I agree.
I agree with that.
Yeah, there's, there's a myth monogamy monogamy is certainly something that's also influenced by behavior so like pair bonding is a real thing that you can lose which is also why i
don't sleep with men um the more partners the more sexual partners you have the
less the less of an ability you have to bond with someone so if the people and again this goes into
like me saying things no one wants to hear but if you have like six sexual partners if you have
slept with six people including the men you're not you're highly unlikely to ever find the love of your life.
Highly unlikely. Well, that kind of rules out like 99.9% of the population, dude.
Yeah. This is why I say to that guy who's like, you're in an echo chamber. No, I say this stuff
that pisses off to everyone. No one wants to hear they're never going to find the love of their life.
She's talking from herself. So is this how we segue
into
what is it called?
Swinging? Is this a segue into being swingers?
Monogamy is something that
is both genetic but
also needs to be protected.
And if you don't protect it, you are not a monogamous person.
You are not a monogamous person.
And you're highly unlikely to fall in love ever.
So in a real way, you know, people like to.
You're saying love as never cheating.
Because you can love somebody and still end up finding yourself in a situation where you've cheated.
But you're saying love is only love if you never cheated.
I'd say I disagree with this if you're you if if someone is saying to me i loved her but i cheated on her
you don't know what love is then if you truly think that you were in love with her and you
cheated on her you don't you're one of these people most likely i bet if we look in your genome
there's probably some vasopressin problem or dopamine problem with you
in your genetics.
Do you know what love is?
Do you know what love is, Santani?
Yes.
I have been in love once.
So what is it?
What is it?
It's something that is there to bond us monogamously to have children.
And raise those children.
I mean...
And I would have had kids
and raised them
he died
so rip
I mean it would be a subset
but not love actually
what
it would be
a subset of
you know people being in love
wait Dintani your partner
passed away
yeah I was very young from what you know people being in love wait and tani your partner your partner passed away
yeah i was very young yeah from what i don't talk about it
no i don't talk about it on the internet but it's okay i mean it stuff happens
it happens i mean uh so love is uh you know keeping someone else's uh need above yours and uh i mean that's why when i did i always ask the woman that um so they always tell that
there was this guy who did this and this and this for them and i asked them so but what like can you die for
someone bro if you're on the first date and they're and they're already talking about some
other partner they had it's it's not going good that's just an fyi not not in that stage but like
for example you are having a communication with your colleague and then they like that kind of dating so yeah or i mean the point is uh if a
woman uh cannot sacrifice her for anything then she do not even know what love is i mean they have
no concept if a woman can't what uh can't say that she can die for something.
Genetically, no, this is different.
So men would die if they love a woman.
A woman would not die for her partner, even if she loved the man.
This is also genetically rooted.
And this is obviously because the woman has the womb.
So she has, and women are way less likely to kill themselves,
also probably due to something in regards to this.
Because men for thousands of years had to fight off.
Childbirth is dangerous, so she would have to put herself more in risk.
The fact that men have had to fight off other men for thousands of years to protect their
gene pools.
Because even though he might not be directly benefiting by fighting off another group of
men, his offspring are benefiting.
So there's a payoff there for his genes.
So that's probably why men are obviously why they're more risk-seeking and probably is related to suicide as well
jeans and pockets and everyone's talking i know this word jeans it just keeps coming up nobody
in here is an expert yeah labor and social security guards man
bill on airs.
I'm like half an expert on jeans,
but not a full expert.
Nothing, nothing.
Come on.
I threw it all out.
Threw it all out.
That's right.
Threw it all out.
360 degree.
Just throw it all everywhere.
Hey, look.
That one looks.
How does that one look?
Use your eyes.
Oh, Lord. You want to get the caba in here guys uber east out of here i think to summarize i think we
we have to lower our expectations a little bit and that being a whore is not a good thing and that um And that character matters, intelligence matters, and looks probably don't matter as much as we think they do.
Does that summarize? Does everybody agree with that?
Not from a retirement perspective or an insurance perspective.
The man has an imperative to, I don't think we should the family broke down
caring about looks uh because she's like fly me out that exists because men are doing their own
their own form of sexual selecting uh but they're not sexual selectors. But yes, the men want to choose healthy, fertile women.
Shouldn't be shamed for that. Well, I think it looks, we want someone that's attractive because
a person that's attractive has an inherent more inherently more influence over over their peers.
Now, if they don't have the right temperament, all of that advantage goes out the window. But
if you have a decent temperament, and you are very attractive, you are perceived as more influential for whatever.
It just goes back to plumage.
It goes back to plumage.
To the retards, I guess.
I'm immune to Chad's Chadism.
I am immune to it, thankfully.
Anyway, happy 20K. Chadism. I am immune to it. Thankfully. Anyway.
Happy 20K.
I'm.
To be honest.
I'm bored.
So we can do.
Closing thoughts or something.
Yeah.
Send some of your followers my way.
I'm trying to get to 2000.
Red closing thoughts. You 2,000. No. Red, closing thoughts?
You're stingy.
Fuck.
Henny, closing thoughts?
Yeah.
I would say you're a cool person, and that's why you have 20,000 followers.
And I actually started following you today.
So I dig it.
And yeah, have an awesome Saturday.
My friends abandoned me to go do real life things.
Ra, closing thoughts?
Well, I would say a quote of Robert Pulaski, the writer of behavior and
there's no
endeterminism.
It goes like this.
Woman expresses more resistance
but ultimately comply more.
yeah, be the rebel but then comply
later. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
These are just experiments.
DoorDash, closing thoughts?
I know.
I can't see anything in here.
The annoying thing, guys, is like, realistically,
the wealthy men like me,
so I will like the wealthy men
as long as the wealthy men like me.
And I know this upsets the men, but I'm sorry.
You're not going to be young forever.
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
Lock it in.
I don't know.
Door dash, closing dots.
I can't see anything in here anymore.
I can't.
The court is in recession.
It looked like the Catholic Church has a lot of orphans just living in
apartments when i was delivering food at the end so if you need your bill on there for your social
security scam old people that are past that age i don't know but yeah i can't i don't know
somebody call them i don't know what i have the traffic king i don't know What I have no idea
I don't know man
Okay
Okay
Okay
My closing thoughts are
This was dumb
I'm tired.
I'm not even physically tired.
I'm just tired of whatever this is.
I don't know where my friends are.
They've abandoned me.
I will continue to take the first class flights.
I will not be shamed for this.
I will not be shamed for this.
And I think the men who do not have the money to afford first class flights should stop bitching about it and go make some money.
Or go like the girl who is not getting the first class flights.
And with that, I love you all.
tell your mothers you love them tell your mother she's beautiful and wonderful
Tell your mothers you love them.
Tell your mother she's beautiful and wonderful.
um i'm going to go watch paint dry or something i i'm not a good host i'll say i know i'm being
rude i don't like i don't like hosting i like when hitch slap is here hosting i'm a woman i'm
not supposed to lead i'm not good at it so and it's it's tiring for me this is this is difficult for me i don't
like being the leader i don't like it here okay i hated this actually and i take back what i said
when i say i love you all i don't love any of you um and this sucks anyway 220k it's a great day great day to be me
shitty day to be all of you
how many people are in here
90 people
it's a really shitty day to be the 90 people in here
great day to be me
okay goodnight goodbye
