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222hr Chia Marathon: 🌱 Building an NFT project live Day 3 #Metadata
Recorded: Sept. 23, 2025 Duration: 3:04:03Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, the team outlines their ambitious project launch involving NFT medals, emphasizing growth through strategic partnerships and innovative use of AI. They also highlight the importance of metadata in NFTs, signaling a trend towards enhanced data management in the crypto space, while preparing for a token launch and exploring yield opportunities through airdrops.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, GMGM. Hey, Oslabs. How's it going, buddy? you
good morning GM GM hey O's labs how's it going buddy let's get you up say hello
yeah that's just get myself set up for the day don't want to come up and say hello that's cool i'm good thanks i'm good how are you i'm doing good good stuff what's that what's the progress
been like then yeah um i i've done two medals so. I've done the bronze medal and the silver.
I'm on the gold one right now.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Excellent.
We've still got a few days.
We've still got a few days.
We can make it.
I'm sure we can.
Yeah, we're definitely going to make it.
I know I can finish the entire medals and maybe the sneakers in today.
By tomorrow, next tomorrow, I'll be done with everything.
Excellent.
Wow, that's really good.
That is impressive.
Yeah, I just popped into Edward's space at the end there saying when I came into this,
I was pretty convinced we'd have to rely heavily on AI to create the artwork because creating kind of good artwork in the timescale is next to impossible.
So that's pretty impressive that you're doing it kind of by hand as well.
So hats off to you.
Hats off.
Now, the trades, there aren't too many trades.
So I think we're going to make it. it we're gonna make it even before the deadline how many days do we have left now um let me have a
look let me have a look at the old calendar so we're on tuesday the 23rd and we want to be
want to be kind of we want to have we want to mint them on saturday so we've got uh we've got
today and then we've got one two three so we've got four days including today to try and get all
the artwork and the metadata together then the plan is on saturday i'm going to put them all together i mean when when you create your
um uh collections because obviously the topic today is metadata but do you do you run them
through a script to to produce the metadata for you how do you how do you produce the metadata
for your collections yeah i use i use the arts engine so the arts engine basically
generates all the art and the metadata too excellent so what what our engine is that
i slipped ah yes yeah that's pretty much what i use as well but i've uh i've bespoke it a bit so
well ultimately then oh i think i think he's just dropped I think he just
dropped but what I was going to say is um oh you're still here he's still here ice labs
oh I'm not sure not sure um but yeah essentially then we can kind of leave it in ice labs as hands
to to kind of produce the produce the work um and used kind
of the hash lips art generator to produce the um produce the metadata as well but what we can do
today is go through why why the metadata is important how we kind of build it why why it's
slightly different on cheer compared to sort of evm world and how they work as well with
nft so um let me um let me let me let me go on here
let's see that prompt there uh flip this crypto it doesn't do too bad does it from a prompt that's pretty
pretty damn cool why is impressive yeah is that down the bottom there I need to
be able to share that in my space right let me let me just jot down the bottom here this space a kind of sample
of metadata you write that down metadata sample and image why did I save it there we go post that
so that is easy for people to see but it's there
maybe I'll let me just
copy paste the whole json file
copy
and then paste and nope right let me pin them up in the top here in a
second once it once it goes through yeah so the plan today is essentially to go over metadata um
i don't know if ice labs you can still hear me can you
yeah i can hear you so um hash lips when you generate art on hash lips it creates one single
file with uh all the metadata like from the first artwork to the last artwork and it also creates single metadata files for
every artwork so it syncs like if number one has uh has traits the json file the metadata file for
number one will have will sync with the number one image if you get what i mean yes yeah yeah i use it i use it for for the monkey zoo stuff and um
the great thing about about kind of the cash lips art generator is it it's it's it's reasonably
self-explanatory um you do have to have a little bit of knowledge about use it um and then you can
you can also with the power of ai these days you can kind of put it into Claude or Gemini or ChatGPT or whatever, you know, print the whole script, copy paste it into there and tell AI what you want it to do.
And it will adjust it for you.
And essentially, you have the same process.
and essentially you you have the same the same process you you essentially you you build up
within photoshop um all your kind of layers in different folders and um the way that the
i presume the way that the i don't know if yours is kind of out of the box size labs but it kind of
randomizes the obviously the the rarity you want you You can put a figure in there to kind of give you a rough guide of how you want the randomness of objects to appear across the kind of whole collection.
What I've done as well is I've kind of played around with that program and given um rather than rather than kind of letting it be
completely random i've given it numbers so that i'll say um i won five of these within the
collection or i won as long as the total within that kind of group of traits equals you know the
total of what the um uh the the for example, 222,
you know, if you've got four traits,
as long as the numbers add up to 222,
it will pass and go through,
which is pretty cool, pretty cool.
So, yeah, but I guess,
I guess is your one kind of just the out of the box one?
And do you have to, or have you played around with it
so that it will kick out specific chia chip 7 metadata um it's it just there's just a normal
metadata that i use on evms so um there was a there was a collection i was doing where you know
uh some of the traits were layering on top
of some of the traits so i had to use ai to generate a script so that those traits wouldn't
appear on the same item so i think i kind of modded it a bit um excellent and so so the kind
of it does it so what it does it kind of sp, like you say, one big file of all of them, but then it will kind of create a folder and start generating metadata for each image that it creates as well, which is pretty cool.
And I think the original hash lips generator kicks out kind of a JSON file or the metadata file for specifically for Ethereum.
But obviously I've kind of altered my one to do it spits out like the chip seven cheer
kind of metadata.
Is there a script that you copy?
I think I can figure it out yeah i think i can figure well i'll i'll share
the script with you the one that i use um so that when we get to that stage you can probably use
that exactly the same um i'll have to have a play around that i haven't used it in a little while
um but yeah it what what it will do it will then convert or in fact it might be a second script I think I think yeah so what happens is it does kick out kind of the sort of
ethereum generic kind of metadata and then I run it for a separate script
that then translates that into um like chip 7
chia metadata and and with like a csv file basically so i can i can i can amend things
in bulk rather than just uh just sort of having to go through it singly and play around with
things so i will i'll put it together and send it over to you because it's a, it's a useful tool.
That one is just to convert metadata, even kind of metadata within the cheer world.
You can, um, you can kind of play around with it and, and, and adjust things.
If things are wrong, if there's a spelling mistake, that type of thing.
Cause let's face it, we all make spelling mistakes or I do.
spelling mistakes or i do anyway i think maybe maybe just a thought maybe if you get the entire
metadata file the one that has the metadata for all the collection and you run it through
that gpt and tell it to convert the metadata into the chia metadata i think it's yes it probably would now yeah yeah yeah i bet you
could do that now yeah if you gave it the kind of um the format it needs to do i bet it would do
that yeah yeah i mean i haven't the last time i kind of used it was when i created the zombie
monkey i think hence why the kind of um example is one of those uh and that was i don't know probably
about a year ago and the and ai was nowhere near capable of probably doing what it could do now
um but yeah you're probably right it could probably spit out or you could probably copy
in that that help that huge json file with with them all in and ask it to convert it yeah i'm not sure if that's cheating i don't know we was talking um we was talking towards the end of
edward space um kind of about how how you know edward we both said you know uh ice labs is doing
this by hand and then we kind of thought back to the
days which you probably don't know about because you're you're just a youngster but um but when
photoshop first came around um it was and photoshop and illustrator and things like that was kind of
it was kind of frowned upon by the by the art world you, you wouldn't dream of saying it was done by hand if it was done
by kind of using Photoshop or Illustrator.
Whereas now, you know, you'd consider actually having to go in there and do something that's
doing it by hand rather than just telling AI to do it.
There's a whole shift of how things work.
And I'm a bit jealous of UI sl ui slabs you know you're did
you say you were 20 23 was it i think you said you were yeah i'm 23 yeah you're kind of um
born into this i guess kind of uh perfect perfect place in history where things are going to go so
so quickly they're exponentially going to grow
it's going to be amazing for you guys you're going to be able to live forever that's what i say
right i'm not sure if ice labs is getting there so my my kind of plan today is to kind of talk
about metadata go through metadata etc etc and um and go from there but so like ice
labs feel feel free just to you know you don't need to be up here talking if you don't want to
but feel free to stay on stage i'll just kind of leave you to to do whatever you need to do and uh
and carry on your your sort of creative side and i'll uh i'll just waffle on i'm sure edward will
come up in a bit and we can talk about stuff as well so he needs a bit of a break after his uh um his space one of the
one of the things when you when you run spaces and and i spent probably a year and a half running
sort of weekly spaces um you know you have that kind of that build up to it where you don't you you know you don't
necessarily know what you're going to talk about you don't necessarily know who's going to come up
on stage and talk uh so you're you're sort of in limbo before you start the space then you're
nine times out of ten you have a great space and it's good and people come up and talk and
you know it's a good conversation um and then afterwards you you
kind of have this kind of uh i don't know what it is it's kind of like a um it comes edward now
it's kind of like a i don't know no i would i wouldn't say adrenaline but something like that
but yeah edward would you would you agree with that analysis there
a similar sentiment in the last uh space maybe in the last hour or so is i was saying that
hosting spaces is surprisingly easy but surprisingly nerve-wracking as well yeah so
i think i'm nervous every time I do one.
I think it's because deep down,
you know it's the equivalent of Fox News or BBC
or it's like a live world broadcast,
but it's in front of like sometimes two, five, 10, 30 people.
I mean, that's fine talking in the classroom.
But you know it's more than that.
But at the same time, it still is easy relatively right as soon as
you get going it's like well how could i've ever worried about that yeah but then next week it's
like i'm a bit nervous again so there's a bit of an edge to it sometimes yeah it is it's strange
isn't it it is strange um and yeah i think i think i got to the point where like doing it for a year
and a half sort of you know a weekly space you kind of feel that point where like doing it for a year and a half, sort of, you know, a weekly space,
you kind of feel that pressure to keep doing it as well.
You kind of got like,
well,
you know,
people are kind of expecting it and whatever.
And I think,
I think like I stopped doing them,
I don't know,
six months ago,
maybe sort of that weekly space.
And it kind of relieved a bit of pressure off me.
And it sounds silly.
It's like,
it's like once a week for a couple of hours maybe an hour a couple of hours um but it's still like part of
your schedule as such that you you kind of plan your plan your week around so um but yeah what i
did find what i did find was um was what was kind of happening was that i was maybe starting a space up and you know maybe uh
gooey or drac was also having a space at the same sort of time or roughly the same sort of time
and i just thought well you know maybe maybe i'm not actually that needed now with the community
they can they're kind of doing it themselves so this is this is good it's good for me i i can kind
of step back a little bit from that and because I was never I've never really I never really wanted to be the front-facing person and I still don't
I'd rather be behind the scenes I don't know about you Edward but yeah I'd rather be behind
the scenes and support rather than rather than up front personally yeah for sure i'm the same as well really i i didn't expect to steer into controversial
things when i was sort of doing it but uh there's a bit of extra pressure there is do you say certain
things like do you voice opinions if they're negative of things and with a live microphone
it's sometimes hard not to say it and when you you've said it, you can't unsay it.
So my preference would be not to be always live.
But at the same time, I enjoy doing it as well.
So I do like it.
It's like a bit six of one and half a dozen of another, as my mom and dad would probably say.
say yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah i mean you know i think it would be fair to say you're
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
you're maybe a controversial kind of i don't know voice within the community i think that'd be fair
to say yeah that's definitely fair to say yeah yeah you know uh there's a kind of um you know
i must admit you know sometimes i read your posts and I'm like, oh, God, oh, God.
And then sometimes I'm like, yeah, bang on there.
You know, and I'm not, you know, I'm not a conspiracy person or all that.
Each to their own.
And I say, you know, if that's kind of what you believe or what you want to talk about, that's absolutely fine.
It doesn't, you know, I don't have an opinion either way.
It's, you know, I can believe or not believe whatever I want.
I've got my own brain.
But yeah, yeah, I think that's certainly within the cheer ecosystem.
You're not afraid to speak your mind speak your mind which is which is good
you know we do need that you know we had um we had kind of lucky eight uh a couple of months ago
going through um kind of the royalties and and what have you on the timeline which i thought was
great you know got the conversation going it made people start thinking about it you know they're
the sort of things that's needed so yeah good
stuff but good morning to Jenna how are you good morning everybody I'm good in June good stuff good
stuff you are you heading towards the office today you're working today I am in the office
I just stepped out quickly so I just wanted to touch on the topic of the metadata. The Mintgarden, the Acevale Excel spreadsheet, do you use that?
I don't.
No, I just create all the metadata myself.
But yeah.
Yeah, so Acevale has got the simple metadata and then the advanced metadata spreadsheet.
And what's nice about that spreadsheet is that you can directly
send the nft to an owner so that's like what i did with the um the ladies so once it is the
metadata there is a column that you can just add the addresses where it must be directly airdropped
to oh that's that's good that's good yeah so that's one of the nice features of using that
spreadsheet so it's automatic as you mint on mint garden yes i see yeah well that's one of the nice features of using that spreadsheet so it's automatic as you
mint on mint garden yes i see yeah well that's probably one of the decisions we need to make
today is um is do we use mint garden to mint them it's something that um i've i've never used mint
garden i've always kind of done it on my own and and uploaded it to ourweave myself and kind of minted them and distributed them myself.
But it's something I've never used MintGuard.
Maybe it's a tool I need to learn how to use.
Because I can't really talk about how it works because I don't know.
Well, I'll tell you what.
That spreadsheet is a pain in the bum in terms of accuracy and attention,
because you can make a mistake very easily when you put your rarities, you know, which NFT has got what rarity.
So you really have to double check, triple check and get blinded to your own work.
But it's nice if you're trying to do an airdrop.
to do an airdrop. If I don't use that for an airdrop then I use a generator which will generate the
JSON files for me, individual and a whole big file and there I can set the rarity myself manually
to say which trait I wanted to be rare and not rare and then it will give me a preview shot which
I can amend before it gives me the full collection and you can put it as many times as you want until you find the ones that you like.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Yeah, it's got to be something I play around with.
Let me just share kind of these images up to the top of my space as well.
And that's also user-friendly with, you know, I've used Mintgarden so I just, you you know dump it in there with the file you know and it just goes the full json file goes
gotcha so so do you so with mint garden um because i i haven't used it at all so so how
does that kind of it automatically uploads uploads everything to ipfs for you doesn't it
uploads everything to IPFS for you, doesn't it?
Yes.
Yes.
That's all that for you.
That uploads everything for you.
So what do you do?
Yeah.
And you can find, it's on the Google Drive.
If you go under the MnGarden Studio,
there is a document there that direct you straight
either to the basic metadata or the advanced one.
And you choose which one you want to work with
and you can adjust.
Because let's say you want to do more than one edition
or more than one series,
that will allow you to do that. you don't if you take those columns away
then mingarden will automatically number them for you as the edition i see so how does so you you
kind of um i presume you give them all the images as well how does that kind of work so what's the
images as well how does that kind of work so what's the what's the i give the so i would i
would use more than one generator so i'll use the generator to generate me the file and then i will
have to go manually onto that spreadsheet and give it each trait um identity and then put the address
where i wanted to airdrop so that's the long version of it you know that can take me a whole day just if you sit down you know from morning to evening
um that's if i want to do an airdrop but if i want to do it the other way around i just give
them the final connection with the json file i see i see yeah yeah that's that that sounds pretty painful to be honest with you yeah yeah and does that
does that um so it so it mints them and airdrops them to the wallets rather than you kind of
gotcha gotcha i get it okay that's um that's quite i don't have to manually send it you know
as it mints it sends as it mints it. It doesn't come to my wallet at all.
It goes directly to the owner's wallet.
Gotcha.
Yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
Yeah, which is obviously something we're not going to use for what we're doing,
but that's a useful tool.
I think it's something that...
For educational purposes, it's useful.
If you want to gift someone or do a small collection and things like that, you know,
like that's how the boomers also went out as a free airdrop, you know,
because I got the list of holders from Tom Beppe, you know, and that's how we did the metadata.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, that's a useful tool.
That's useful.
Are there any kind of useful i guess
sort of tutorial videos around sort of the mint garden studio or is it kind of kind of word of
mouth at the minute no it's on the it's on the documents it's all listed onto the website if you
go onto the studio you'll have the link to the metadata and explanation on there you know you just
have to read through it it's all there cool let me have a I'm gonna have to I'm
gonna have to have a little look at that properly I have I have looked at it I
don't know briefly before just to try and figure it out but I presume it's mintgardenstudio.io slash something not API
studio I'll have to look at the document sorry right yeah it's in the document it really explains
to you the studio and how the studio works and how to do your metadata it's got it's got the link to
the Google Drive would you find it ah yes I can see it how to bulk mint nfts how to do your metadata it's got it's got the link to the google drive would you find it
ah yes i can see it how to bulk mint nfts how to create collections create a profile how to mint an nft oh well ace rails thought of everything as usual but um yeah no that's good that's a good
useful tool is it is it something you download to your PC like the studio yes
you do maybe I'll have a play around with that I haven't had it synchronizes
to your wallet you know it syncs to your wallet so it will link up the
collection to the wallet that you selected yeah and does it does it need
a full load or does it just link to the actual light wallet? I do expect I with a full mode
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, just reading through it. Okay. Oh
I see so you've got like a CSV profile
so you've got like a csv type file so it will load then 25 nfts at a time
you will give it a link to the file and it starts minting batches of 25 yeah yeah so the back end
of it is kind of using the bulk mint tool which is which is what we use we just don't i guess we
kind of just skip the um man, so to speak.
And then what it does, it gives you an option on the, if you want to set them for sale directly,
you click there and you say, where do you want the royalties to go?
Where do you want the, oh, sorry, there's traffic in the background.
Where do you want the royalties to go?
Where do you want the mint cost to go?
And it will link directly onto the market. So people can see it straight to the market. You don't have to go where do you want the um mint cost to go and it will link directly onto the market so people
can see it straight to the market you don't have to go an individual you list each one
i see i see yeah it's a kind of all-in-one then that just does it all for you which is
which is pretty neat i must admit um i wonder if this i mean is there anything within that kind of
workflow that you would change or make easier or suggestions for Acevale?
Probably the CSV file by the sounds of it.
To put something on auction, perhaps? Yeah. If I could put something on auction directly from there, I would like that. That would be nice.
But other than that, it sounds like you've kind of got it down to a T.
And is there, does he take a percentage of kind of,
or is there a cost to do it through that?
It depends on the size of your collection.
The bigger the collection, the bigger the cost.
But it's not a very big cost.
When I do a big collection of about 300 pieces,
I think I pay about 2xCH, depending on the size of the collection.
That's not too bad.
That's not too bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I know he takes,
like, for auctions,
I think there's a 10% fee on that.
But I guess, I guess,
I wonder if he's got,
you know, if you wanted to create
a 10,000-piece collection through that,
it sounds like it could get expensive pretty fast.
Depending on your size, yeah.
But, I mean, you know, you pay the convenience because then it automatically puts it on the market for me with a set price.
It's got the, so much is automated.
Sometimes you just pay for the service, you know.
Yes.
So, I like automated things, you know.
I don't have to pick more than what I have to.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Yeah, there is that.
There is that, the kind of, I guess, I guess,
well, I kind of started making these NFTs right at kind of the very start of NFT1.
So there wasn't any tools there.
So I've kind of had to learn how to do it from scratch, so to speak.
You can't teach a new...
By last month, I think I paid 0.6 XCH.
Okay.
I mean, that's nothing, is it, really?
Yeah, and that was for 100 pieces.
Okay.
Okay, yeah.
So 1,000 would be six yeah i reckon if you was to approach ace val
and say i want to make a 10 000 piece collection you know can you do me a good price he'd probably
it probably he can do it for you actually he'll do it much faster if i were to do a big collection
like that he's so accommodating i can go to him and it's what i need to do like a 2000 piece
collection but i'm not going to stand beyond piece. He'll say see me the file
He'll do it much faster for a much smaller fee. I'm sure
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Excellent. I can say that he's very accommodating and extremely helpful. He's always available with any questions and he's very fast
They're coming back to you
He doesn't
waste time yeah yeah yeah well prime example was that of yesterday i pinged him a discord message
asking if he had five minutes and then uh he literally popped into the space and we
managed to get a few things cleared up so yeah he is uh he is a he's a good guy he's a good guy and
um i'll tell you what happened when i first did it, when I first did the Boomers one.
So I didn't know about the advanced file, you know, to airdrop and that.
He told me, no, you can, you can do it.
But I didn't catch on how.
So I made this whole mess up.
I did this whole Boomers NFT.
I'm like, okay, I've done it.
Now how do I airdrop it?
He's like, well, because it's been the metadata.
I'm like, well, I didn't know that, you know.
So then he gave me a couple of codes to run through
my machine and he says let's test this and i've tested it and um i ran a couple of codes and it
was automatically leaving my wallet and going into people's wallets so he was so helpful you know we
went through it in a different route and it worked that's awesome that's awesome uh it's uh you know that that's part of the um i guess uh
being early into this space is that we we have access to people like acevale and yak and rigidity
um you know five years down the top that down the line there they're going to be way way beyond kind
of assisting us with um with with metadata issues i would have thought um but hopefully
they'll have a they'll have a team behind them to help that's what i'd like to think anyway
but uh yeah no appreciate that appreciate your kind of insight into that because it's uh
it's something an easy tool for normal people i think like edward just said there
you know to be able to for anybody just to come in and use it is the
is the key isn't it to uh to uh to help people just to to put their work on the on the blockchain
um yeah that's good that's good
yeah so let me um let me kind of dive into i guess metadata did i pin it to the top
yeah i did so kind of like the way the way metadata works let's let's dive in let's do
a bit history of kind of nfts i suppose um so like could i just jump in just for literally five seconds so
firing on the lurkey page it's like it's shot in it's colored red for some reason it looks like
it's number two oh is it let's have a look let me go on a lurkey let's have a look so if it's i think if it's red uh hang on my my uh
it's not oh here we go here we go chia
sentiment half bullish i think if it's if it goes red it means it's bearish six hour six hour really it wasn't in the chart yesterday
so i presume yeah it's shot up i guess no it means people have been basically flooding it so
i would imagine there's probably been a food space yeah that would be my guess i see so it
represents negative it represents a lot of it times of it being mentioned but just
negatively yeah yeah so the ai the ai will kind of um you know it they've done a great job to kind of
actually break down not just what's being said but by kind of the sentiment of what's being said as
well um so the sentiment is very bearish for chia
let's have a look if you go on to there uh let's have a look it might it might tell you kind of um
did you do kind of who's been talking about it and what's been said as well
let's have a look i can see you you're appearing quite a bit there um
oh there we go so so actually if you if you go on to kind of click on the cheer thing and look
at discussions uh it'll go down it'll talk you'll see like a little bearish or neutral or or bullish type type sentiments around there
uh oh it looks like it's your fault edward i can see a load of bearish is on there
yeah yeah yeah yeah oh look oh no that's no no i think smertex uh foods foods has got a whole
lot of bearish going on that's funny yeah yeah yeah oh blimey yeah yeah yeah we're gonna blame
foods for this one again it's good because it says bearish and then it says like um it gives you a little
kind of talk about it and whatever you're in uh yeah
all before that we got asked to talk in
have i got one in there let's have a look monkey seems humorous humorously compared the nft
communities in chia to a young child running around a field with an assault rifle
oh dear that's great that's great
it's a little bit is that 54 minutes ago 54 oh yeah yeah that's neutral i'm neutral
apparently well i would i would say that's more of a bullish sentiment personally
that's not bullish i don't know what is
oh that's cool that is cool i mean it's a it's a really clever tool that you know no matter how you kind of look
at it it's uh um and i i think just talking about lurky briefly is um you know i can see it i can
see it hopefully growing outside of kind of the web3 world you know i really want to see it it
sort of delve into a proper kind of marketing,
you know, marketing products and things outside of crypto Twitter.
You know, like I said on the first day, we talked about it.
I guess they've got to start here because it's kind of like crypto Twitter
is probably one of the biggest drivers of spaces and things like that.
But we'll see. We'll see where it goes.
But yeah, I do like that.
I'm going to have to take a screenshot of that
and tag foods in it.
Oh dear,
that's funny.
That's funny.
Yeah.
Sorry, I was going to say, you know what
would suit that website is Josh's read the screen, take a screenshot of it thing.
Because you always need the full list of quotes for one space.
I'm loving reading through it, going back.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's a great tool to get information from.
to get information from and i think i think the apis you know being able to um sort of call that
information and present it you know whether it's via tweets for whether it's via a website
i think that's going to be really useful as well i know um i know bullish is kind of asked for
asked for access to it to to get in there as well to uh to look at it but i think at this point here i
need to say how great cheer is and um yeah i think the price is going to pump massively and for lurky's
opinions uh i think it's the best thing it's the best cryptocurrency i have ever seen in my life
there we go let's see if that gives us a bullish bullish sentiment
but no it's a it's a great tool it is a great tool uh i'd love to i'd love to kind of do
there was something that they added something the other day they said
i saw it on their discord i can't remember what it was project mentions maybe no maybe not I
don't know coins coins mentioned yeah okay
we need to get there's a news there's a new tab on lurkey called shows and that
kind of curates like shows that are happening like daily or weekly and kind
of puts them in place so we should get we should get T money's program show on
there because he does here's the same time every every kind of week uh that'll be cool
chunk haven't heard from chunk for ages
let's get chunk up on the stage
g'day g'day chunk
hello hello mate how are you i'm good the hashtag metadata got me in
like dirty dirty samples of metadata you know nothing nothing like metadata to bait a chunk
into a chia space he's here he's here If there's something to do with metadata. Yeah.
What have you been up to? I don't like real data.
I don't like real data, man. I don't like real data.
Just metadata. Just pretend data.
Not the data behind the data.
It's not fake. It's just the data behind the data.
Tis indeed.
Tis indeed.
Just IRL stuff, man.
IRL stuff. Busy man.
Building stuff.
Digging holes. Oh, okay. uh irl stuff man irl stuff busy man stuff building stuff you know like digging digging holes
oh okay real real real stuff then yeah yeah some renovations in the backyard and
and uh i'll i'll be honest as well kind of lost my way in crypto too so yeah yeah
in the in the wrong trenches and i'm like what am i doing in this trench so in a way it's kind of good that you guys have been doing this because i'm there's always a
chair space to listen to even though it's not always 100 chair but at least there's a chair
space to listen to if this is around yeah that is probably i was saying yesterday about kind of the
early days of of cheer spaces um was it was more of a technical space rather than kind of the uh
the web3 shill uh kind of spaces which is what drew me in as well uh not just that it repelled
the shilling so which was good yeah well it did yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so what trenches
what what trenches did you find yourself in then, Chuck?
Was you turned into a Solana kind of pumped up fun maxi?
No, not really.
But I was like, you know, in looking at stuff like that and even like, oh, I bought some Bitcoin stuff.
So I guess the time that I stopped like doing hardcore Chia only stuff, I got into some Bitcoin.
Yeah.
It was great. No oh it wasn't at
the start it was the counterparty okay and then and then and then some ordinals even though like
i can't really i don't think i've bought one they were all given to me because i can't buy one
because nft one because i can't i think i think i did buy one because it was a mate's project
and i helped them test stuff and i'm like i better just buy one just one but i just like
if someone says indexer while i'm trying to buy it i'll just get out i'll get out with that i'm
out i'm out i'm sorry i can't do it well i just have to say that you just killed it for me
kill the mood can't buy it but yeah uh yeah a
bit of bit of bitcoin solana yeah look i did a couple of pump fun uh purchases i never launched
anything no but i did look into it and i looked at some of the docs and i'm just like you know what
apart from it being uh mentally taxing i feel a bit guilty not to be uh looking up chia stuff and trying to develop more on chia i'm like why why it's just the the underlying chain isn't really in line with
my ethos so why why would i be doing that so yeah i kind of just like looked around and then came
back but then to be honest i haven't really been back yeah holy over here maybe i need an nft
project i need to make an nft project as well to kind of get me out and
get the cobwebs shake them off you know yeah yeah yeah well i reckon you should um you should have
a look at the kind of fusion puzzle and start playing around with that that would be quite cool
to be able to do something with that um i think the last thing i said i would do was like sign up
for one of your demos and and trials and like out. But then I just fizzled out.
So sorry for that.
That's all right.
That's all right.
We had plenty of people sort of playing around with it and testing stuff.
So what are you guys doing here?
What's this building an NFT project live day three?
I heard the back end of a space where Drac was saying that you guys are all
getting together to make a project
yeah yeah as part of this two two two hour marathon i thought well well everyone's asleep
um there'll be a few people maybe that are going to hang around like i guess either in a different
part of the world or or whatever and uh we'll make we'll make an nft project from start to finish and
then auction them
off at the end of the kind of the marathon spaces that was the idea coming we came in completely
blind and um um we had a guy called ice labs came up and um yeah day one we kind of thrashed out an
idea uh yesterday we kind of carried on that idea and broke down kind of traits and what they would be
and today is kind of just like how we build up the metadata uh it's kind of like a tutorial from
from conception to to kind of end product that's the idea anyway cool how you doing the how you
organizing the metadata to go into into the collection in the end so uh we're probably going to use um
hash lips is art generator because it's an easy thing we when we started because i thought you
know there's no way within kind of i don't know seven days or whatever we'll be able to
kind of produce artwork like by hand you know using illustrator or whatever
i thought it was all going to be kind of ai driven um you know suggestions and would come
up with something using ai but um ice labs came in and possible yeah well ice labs came in and
said now let's do it uh and so between ice labs and degena who's up here as well, they're going to work on the artwork.
You're like building the lane.
Hello, DeGener.
Hello, Champ.
Hello, Chunky.
How are you?
How are you?
Good, God.
I'm good, thanks.
Can I offer some, I don't know, tips? I mean, I'm coming in pretty cold,
but I've got some stuff that I've looked at
and some stuff that I've got.
Maybe I can chuck it in. Maybe I can yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we're um
have you heard of photopea no what's it called photopea is a photo and then p-e-a
it's a online web-based uh photoshop derivative yep and it's got an inbuilt hash lips art generator is it really oh yeah all
online you have to so you you do the um yeah are you on the computer now can you hear the clickety
clack yeah yeah i'm on there right now all right so you start a new thing. New project.
Yeah, yeah. Just click all the buttons to get the new project.
New project.
And then I think you go to file.
And file.
Okay. File, yeah.
Export layers, I believe.
Or export and then export layers.
Export layers.
Hang on.
Export layers. Export layers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't you take a screenshot of that little thing there and then whack that in the jumbo
i'm driving at the moment i do all this for you yeah i can't because i'm driving but that
basically you take just like if you you know what a hash lips art generator is yeah you would do the
same thing and basically organize the trait categories into
folders and then the traits into those and then i think there's another couple of little things i
haven't tried it out myself but i was going to um where you can make little make things and then
obviously um i think you can change some randomness but i think an easy way to just stack it if you want different
types of traits to appear more times is that you just copy it i work and you just copy the you copy
the layer yeah just say you want more more green heads than any other heads i would just copy the
green head layer like five or six times so then, you know, even if you get an even spread, you'll always get more green heads because, well, you had more.
Yeah, yeah.
And then there's a button called create metadata.
So what I was going to try out, and again, not for this space,
I just tried it because I found it last week,
haven't had a chance to play with it.
But you could use that to create the metadata,
and then you can create a script to take the metadata and turn it
into chia metadata yes yeah yeah i've got a script that does that anyway yeah yeah so you could oh i
don't know what metadata comes out of this but you could just do a little little test and then you can
save those files as psds and i guess that degenerate ice labs could probably collaborate over
a file or maybe they could do different, you could work around a body
and do different layers and then bring them together and see how they work
and then generate them in one go.
Then all the metadata and then a script that then changes into chair metadata.
Ta-da!
Yeah.
Well, that's a useful find.
I guess if it's using kind of the Haslip's generator
on the back end there,
it's going to spit out kind of what it would use
if you manually used it in Photoshop.
It's kind of like a generic Ethereum.
I'd say.
Yeah, I'd say it would.
I mean, I've written a couple of generate-like scripts
that convert ETH metadata into Chia metadata.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lots of able people to do that around here.
So if you need a hand with that as well, let us know.
But also I've got a spreadsheet that also does some of this stuff too
that I use for the chunks.
I've sent it to loads of people around here too,
even like Seth forh for batgan
and heaps of other people too that you put trait categories and then the traits in a spreadsheet
yeah on one tab and then you hop over to another tab and then you say which you know what's what's
the name or which number this one is this nft is and then you basically just do drop downs
and it only lets you put the category so like it limits your input to the stuff that you've told it so then you can't
kind of get these weird anomalies and then at the end you can get um a chip 7 compatible metadata
for nft collection yeah that's i mean that's a useful tool so like for instance um
could you because often what happens is you can create a load of metadata and you'll look at it
and you'll you'll see a simple spelling mistake somewhere i guess you can kind of rerun it and
it'll it'll change that spelling mistake as well for you well basically each of the trait categories
if you had a mistake in a trait category for 10 000 nfts you'd have 10 000 mistakes
yeah if you had one in a you know um in the name of something yeah you just change it so basically
the spreadsheet i did i did it in google sheets because i thought hey people could sign up with
google sheets and then create use this and it uses a bit of Google Apps Script.
It might even just be straight formulas
to make in the far right column metadata.
So you could just copy it down.
I used to just copy it all the way down,
put it into a text editor
and then use a small bash script
to just chop it up into little files.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The actual collection.
Yeah.
Because I also use that for the chunks to make images
because my images were made in SVG, which is all text space.
So I used the same spreadsheet to create the images
and the metadata all in the one spreadsheet.
Bonus.
Useful tool.
Yeah, if you want to, let me know.
I'll just email it.
Yeah, I was saying earlier you want to let me know i'll just email it yeah i was i was saying earlier about how
um uh like i guess when chunks were going in the early days there wasn't really
there wasn't really any sort of go-to tools or standardized tools out there you know midgarden
is probably the place where people go now if they're new to the ecosystem to
just sort of plug and play drop stuff in and it does it for you but yeah yeah
it's really nice really nice yeah we're old school chung we had to like we had to make do and and
mint them one at a time mate to mint them one at a time yeah i had the computer running just
watching it just go one one one and the way we used to do it back then was because you've got the coin set model you would
send a coin out and it would return you the change and you basically had to then just keep
checking your wallet to see if you had received the coin back because that meant that it was
potentially minted but you would just be doing a blind and then found a way to do more than one in a block because it accepted, the mempool accepted more in there, especially if there was zero fee.
But you would basically just spam them and then do them in blocks of like a thousand and then go back or blocks of a hundred and then check which ones may not have been minted and then mint those manually and then go back.
Yeah.
Before bulk minting, yeah.
Yeah, that was crazy, wasn't it?
I remember that.
Kind of making sure you split your coins as well.
Otherwise, I did Big FUD's collection like that, 5,000.
Did you?
Wow.
Yeah.
Oh, memories.
Memories. Yeah, look, memories. Memories.
Yeah, look, if you want any of that stuff,
if you've got a Google account, let me know.
If you want me to export it as an Excel spreadsheet, let me know.
Yeah, I've got a Google account.
Happy to help.
Happy to help.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I was going to – it kind of leads on to what I was going to talk about,
like, first when it comes
to metadata and kind of the comparisons of the chia the way kind of chia works and the metadata
works compared to like the ethereum and kind of i guess the evm type world of of metadata as well
and um and the way that that chia's metadata it all kind of links back to um kind of the coin set model in
a way where you've got all these kind of individual i guess kind of little smart contracts rather than
these this giant one which is uh which is kind of unique and and it goes back to what you were
saying earlier about when you when you're looking at like ordinals and things like that it's like yeah but nft1 it's like yeah you know i mean if you can that's the
beauty about nft1 you know with the splitting up of files and changing the metadata that's kind of
the the thing that makes a little um it makes it good to see that you can change things up and do reveals but at the same
time that's the thing that can rug you yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah i think um i think one
of the overlook to say anything about it or let me know you know go go for it i mean what's your
what's your kind of big take on the differences between i guess the nfts in other ecosystems and chia in general
and then i guess kind of linking to metadata um is you know what's what's the key differences i know
i know like you know the metadata itself is obviously off chain you know the content of
that metadata is off chain um and that and obviously it links to the hashed which is on chain for for
chia um which i think is probably an upgrade still but it's not it's not perfect it would be my
opinion yeah i share the opinion and i think that i guess a good way a good place to start is how the
nfts are uh how they kind of exist in different chains and we'll take
we'll take just normally eth and chia as the examples but on on ethereum it's a smart contract
that manages who owns the manages a list of people who own uh certain nfts or which which wallets
wallets are controlling one there are other things that have happened i guess since nft one for
are controlling one there are other things that have happened i guess since nft one for
for uh ethereum which i don't know enough to to really comment on but in essence there is a
contract that has something of a data uri or a data url that tells you that for this token this is
where you find the image that for this token this is where you find the image, that for this token, this is where you find the metadata.
And for the most part, people think the metadata for NFTs
as a collection of user-readable text
that tells you about the collection
and about some attributes of that NFT.
And that's pretty standard across both ETH and Chia.
It's just that there's parts of it that are cut up for ease of use
and also cut up for legal reasons,
which I think I like licensing-wise.
At the same time, it's still what they call a monolithic smart contract,
like one big smart contract that's usually owned by somebody.
And if you don't know how to audit
or you don't use good smart contracts on Ethereum,
you could actually change it.
So you could change who owns something.
And then the next time you look in there,
you might not own it anymore
or there's some malicious code in there.
So using a template for a smart contract
that's been vetted and is understood is really key.
And that is both for Chia and for Ethereum.
So the two types of metadata is the one that's about the coin itself and then really what's in that smart contract.
And for Chia, that is in the coin.
And you do find some of that information on Mintgarden,
but it's usually those pointers, like you were saying,
to the image data, the pointer to the metadata,
the pointer to the license file.
And the good thing about it is that you're pointing to something
that's been hashed, so you can verify that it is what you say it is.
And the benefit of that is being able to
add more urls if that url dies so it's up to the smart contract owner or the owner of the nft project
to go into an ethereum smart contract and change the data uri or refresh the link to make sure that
it's still working but if you own an nft on chia you could you could even
have a copy of all of your nft images all of the metadata you could have the license file
and you could store it on an amazon aws you could put it on your own website you know chunks nfts.com
and then you can have an address for all that you can then for
the nfts you own update the url and your nfts are no longer balked
yeah i i kind of that's an overview yeah that's the overview i kind kind of compare it to, I guess, like, I guess the kind of Ethereum world and what have you would be, you know, that centralized smart contract is pretty much like an Excel spreadsheet that is that can change.
Basically, it basically says who owns what within that spreadsheet would be my kind of basic layman's
terms understanding of it uh but like you say that that excel spreadsheet controls everything
and somebody controls that excel spreadsheet you know that's kind of the and i know there's
there's definitely ways on ethereum to sort of revoke access and all that type of thing so
nobody can there's improvements there's improvements but
on the whole it's built on a base of it's hard to change and doesn't really give the uh owner much
ownership yeah or the ability for them to maintain the yeah you're a line in a spreadsheet basically
aren't you with ethereum that's kind of how it works hence why they call it an account model
you know you're you're one line in that account works hence why they call it an account model you know you're
you're one line in that account and that smart contract is like an account for that collection so
um yeah i think um i think it would be nice if there was some talking about kind of the cheer
world uh it'd be nice if there was a service out there that somebody could go into and, you know,
click a few buttons and kind of back up and update their NFT.
So what Chunk was kind of saying there was you can amend the kind of link towards that information,
which is pretty simple to do.
But I think it'd be great if there's a tool where
you could go in with your wallet kind of click a button to say look at all my nfts upload them all
and give me all the you know update all my nfts to to give me that that backup so to speak i think
that'd be a really cool service i don't know if that i don't know if that's a useful thing or not
because what i tend to find is people get their nft and then um it sits in a wallet and they're
they're not overly interested in it again until they want to sell it
i guess they would be if it was worth i'm sorry i got a phone call
god you're right you hear me yeah yeah yeah gotcha
gotcha yeah cool i think i know what you were saying anyway yeah um about backing up your own
nfts yeah yeah yeah kind of like a service where you can go in and sort of wallet connect or whatever
yeah you could you could probably do it manually i mean i know that some people would the funny
thing is it's uh as good as right click saving it it just depends on the platform that you want
to right click save it off yeah because a lot of platforms to save um
there's no there's no real limit on the amount of um on the file size of the off-chain data which is what it's called right yeah so the um the on-chain metadata links to off-chain data
and that's why it needs to be hashed because you need to know that the off-chain data you're
grabbing is the off-chain data that was intended to be grabbed.
But the whole thing about grabbing it and saving it is that some of these platforms,
so I think MintGarden figured this one out pretty early, and SpaceCAN may have as well,
that if you take the image metadata of every NFT project and you in the in the format that was intended by that nft
artist you might run out of space real quick and start having to pay money to store someone's nfts
and their full image size and quality on your website so if you go to mint garden which this
is not a bad thing it's just it's this way for efficiency is that if you go and save it from
mint garden it ends up as a web p which won't hash
actually i've not tried it but i doubt it will hash in the same uh with the same number as your
uh tokens nft so there might be some other websites like maybe space scan will you just
have to make sure that if there's like a link saying you know view original uri then it will take your browser to the original place to the same you know uh url
that your uh that your real life chain data is supposed to go from so if you do that while you
can see it while it loads then yeah right click save it put it somewhere because it doesn't matter where you save it you can upload it somewhere else yeah yeah i mean breaking that down even further
um to kind of explain what what hashes are uh like so essentially like a piece of information
whether it's an image or a metadata file essentially once it's created um you can you can extract the kind
of the the char two is it two five six two four six two five six two five six sum yeah uh the word
sum is important because otherwise you get a massive number yeah yeah so you kind of condense
that down into a hash and then if you was to change one single pixel within that image
that the the hash would change so that's why it's quite important to um well it's quite important
because if if you do change something it kind of breaks the nft afterwards you know there's there's
ways around that i mean you've kind of played around with it where
you can make uh images change and and things over time time periods and stuff how do you do that
that's something i've not really looked at you know like uh i think you do it with a you do it
the same way you can do it the same way on eth uh and this is kind of an idea borrowed from that
which i like as well there's a metadata extension
and what happens it's a bit of a it's a bit of a sleight of hand with the platforms
but on ethereum what you do is that there is a metadata field called animation url so just like
a lot of websites that that pre-case and give you like i don't know the front cover of a book
and while they're still loading the book in the background,
you start turning the pages
and it's still like frantically trying to load more pages.
And by the time you start reading,
it's counting on you being slow enough.
So then by the time you get to the page,
it's already loaded the rest of the book.
So this kind of thing works in a way
that you have like a cover image
and that cover image is small,
easy to load, nice and quick quick great for ui and then
the stuff that comes in the background is a much larger heavier file now they took that and then
instead of it being a static image it can be a very tiny website it can be a uh an mp4 a movie
a movie it can be a gif so it loads the cover image and this is really good for
uh backwards compatibility with you know platforms that can only really read the cover image and
you know at best if you can get the cover image then hey you've got that nft or the image but the
the animation url is the uh the bit where it comes in and it might have been chip 13
it gives you that that extension so it's you know an extension in the metadata that then other other platforms recognize they
look at that field in the metadata and then their platform will show you the cover image probably as
soon as they can and while they're loading this moving image or image or video or tiny, tiny website onto the placeholder for where the image was.
Gotcha.
I think, yeah, chip 15, isn't it?
Chip 15 is kind of the extended method.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
7 and 15.
It's like 7 and then you double it, add 1.
Yeah, chip 15 does that.
yeah chip 15 does that yeah we use um a lot we use chip 15 in the in the fusion zoo stuff
to make sure we're collecting it to do a wolfenstein 3d yeah people get super excited
because they're like oh you put it in nft i'm like nah i didn't i just put a website
a website loads of game i mean it is cool i mean everyone loves doing that and you hit it it goes full screen i play wolfenstein 3d you know from a token yeah yeah that's cool
that is cool i hate boiling it down and like taking the shine away from shit because
it's magic i'm sorry bro i'm sorry if i take the shine away i know people like getting excited
no no i think it's, I think it's useful.
It's a useful conversation to have.
It kind of touches on like,
and people have kind of talked about this for years,
about how kind of delicate some of these,
you know, even these big NFT projects
over on Ethereum, Bored Apes and Puddy Penguins
and all that type of stuff is,
you know, you are you are
kind of relying on that that original data to stay in place forever i mean i've i've opted to kind of
lean much more towards our weave than than sort of i guess general ipfs and i think i'd use that
as well yeah i think this is a great segue into storage of on-chain assets yeah yeah yeah yeah because i don't know
a great deal about ordinals you know they obviously they say it's on chain but you
you kind of you kind of uh pulling the wool a little bit there as well aren't you because you're
um you're still relying on the kind of outside uh tools to actually show you what's on chain so to speak so i don't know
i don't know but look i i agree i agree but also telling people that this uh nft is on chain and
it's not really on chain and it's just getting off chain metadata also doesn't sell itself really
well so i get it there's great there's great marketing on both sides. And unless you're talking about space marmots and people actually putting...
Let me touch on that quickly because that is important, an important distinction to make.
There are in this field, in this metadata field called data URI, there is the ability to basically put the image into text.
to basically put the image
into text
so just like you can
with SVG
an image is just made up of a bunch of
human readable
it's just text
it's a bit of gobbledygook
you can get some of that same
gobbledygook and create
images with it and the space barmits did
that but instead of it being a URL
it actually took the placements did that but instead of it being a url it actually
took the place of an image but that took a lot of space on chain so there is a downside to it
potentially being very hard to trade later on because it does form part of the block when you
make a trade so that that is the that is pure on chain art so it is on chain maybe hard to trade
later on down the track um and doesn't rely on being off chain for any other metadata
yeah go on security uh from yeah i know a second example of that actually with the cyber brokers nfts on ethereum i believe it cost them upwards or near
to 100 ethereum to actually get the entire metadata on chain but they did it all after
yep they got all the data on chain and eventually so basically all of that
metadata from those cyber brokers basically can never be...
There's loads of examples.
Yeah, they're great.
It's a good example.
It's a really good example.
There's also the punks.
There is a smart contract called the punk data contract in which you can interrogate that smart contract.
And you can even use Etherscan to interrogate that smart contract and you can even use etherscan
to interrogate the smart contract and it will give you the vectorized or svg version of any
crypto punk there are also collections from on the name escapes me of the platform but there is a
platform that you can use to create art that gets fully put on chain you can get traits
and put them into these svgs and you can make the the smart contract build the nft
on chain and then when you mint it it um it builds it when you ask for it so
that's a bit too much into ethereum but when you ask for the data URI,
the spreadsheet, as MonkeyZoo was saying,
is basically spitting out what the image looks like
so then you can display it on your screen.
If they change anything,
they could just rug that image there as well.
But it costs some money, I guess.
But yeah, good example of the on-chain art.
Yeah. Go on, the on-chain art. Yeah.
We shouldn't also forget the NFTs that are fully on-chain
that are actually just liquidity positions
or different types of, you know,
who knows what you can do with an NFT.
You can do all kinds of things when you really put your mind to it.
It doesn't necessarily have to be
Just an image or whatever
it's a non-fungible Token so basically, I don't know on the chia side. It's probably quite a bit different as far as because I know chia doesn't have
contracts. It's the coin set model. So
Yeah, chia I'm still I guess it's the smart coin set model
smart coin, yeah, something like that
oh, I coined it
you coined it smart coin
no, no, no, they do say smart coin
but I just said smart coin set
model
you heard it here first
I'm fucking claiming it, I'm fucking claiming it
trade mark but yeah, you're right, it is it's a non-fungible token, but You heard it here first. You heard it here first. I'm claiming it. I'm fucking claiming it.
Trade mark.
But yeah, you're right.
It is.
It's a non-fungible token. But I guess it's really easy to understand that it's a non-fungible token in Chia because it's as if on Ethereum, each NFT was only worth one WAI,
which is the smallest denomination of Ethereum.
So with that same idea, an NFT is only worth one mojo.
You can't break it in half. You can't fund it. You can't break it in half.
You can't fund it.
You can't bunge it up.
So you can't create,
yeah, you can't break it up.
So if you had something like a coin,
that's the final coin.
So imagine if you had,
imagine if a dollar,
like an American dollar bill
was the lowest denominator of US currency
and that was,
you couldn't break that. you couldn't break a dollar
and then you went and drew something on it that would be on chain art but if you drew an address where you have to go and look at the image that would be nft1 with the links to off-chain metadata
metadata and images
and images
speaking of like on chain on chain art and true on chain art so
um like the space marlots obviously put it on chain and um
like i've kind of toyed around with it and how you how you'd probably do it
um you know probably using some sort of Merkle tree to break it down into sections
that all kind of links back.
But again, you've got to remember,
essentially, a blockchain is just a pretty rubbish database.
That's pretty much all it is, really.
That's the key thing.
So you can't fit that much.
Depends on the bit that's rubbish.
It's really rubbish for getting data quickly.
But if you want to trust the data,
it's probably better than a database.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the most backed up shittiest database
you will ever have.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's probably a quote we could use, that is.
Use that one too.
Fucking two.
I'm two for two today.
Oh, dear. Use that one too. Fucking two. I'm two for two today. What you were touching on is something that the ordinals have done
with recursive inscriptions.
So recursive inscriptions is just say I inscribed some traits.
I'm able to actually go back and reference those traits or those inscriptions
to create something else so just say i inscribed 100 100 different traits i could use another
inscription to then go and reference those inscriptions now i think i've i've talked to
some people about it but i don't really get to the bottom of it. But I don't think the coins can reference on the coins outside of the block that it's working in.
So if you put that coin in to a spend, you can only really get coins that are in there in that same transaction, in that same block, I believe.
uh in that same block i believe i don't know so again i haven't gone through it too much but
I don't know.
referencing other coins is where you would reference it in in the actual set of transactions
that you were doing for that block which means that you have to have all your stuff in there
at the same time which i don't know that could happen but i think i know what you're getting to
but you know how they're actually stored right they're stored as base 64 yeah images yeah yeah
yeah you can go into a bit more detail if you want well yeah it's just it's another encoding
algorithm but base 64 encoded images or base 64 encoded anything is just a way to turn the binary representation into the um
some base 64 which is the alphabet plus the numbers plus some some more characters which
makes up the 64 characters that you can use to um define anything but it's in ascii so every every character in the ascii uh data set is at least
eight bits so if you're trying to do a couple of bits and you do it with ascii it's just multiplying
it by eight or so so it's not really efficient but what it's good for is putting something that
can be transmitted in plain data that can then be put on say a token or a data URI.
So there are some cool resources like CyberChef.
If you go to CyberChef, I think through GitHub,
you can use these really cool tools that you can cook up.
There's all these cooking references there,
but with CyberChef, you can cook up,
you can get an image and you can tell it to give you
the Base64 encoded version of that
and it'll just spit it out.
There are some other tools that turn Base64 encoded images,
audio, all sorts of stuff into text.
I've used Base64 encoded text and images
to use steganography to hide them inside other images,
to then hide them inside other images,
to then mint.
Or I've put offer files into,
I've put offer files into images
and then pasted them on Twitter.
And then said, try and find this offer.
And then it's in there somewhere.
That's cool yeah it's
it's right like it's quite interesting really to to delve into like the kind of the i guess the
the underlying stuff that the nfts have kind of created and made from you know like the title of
the space kind of metadata is um is key really and it's key from
a kind of um a display point of view you know without without the metadata you know i guess
explorers and kind of exchanges or whatever wouldn't have a clue of what's what's happening
and i think like the the extension of chip 15 um on top top of the chip 7 metadata within Chia
kind of expands that to so that you can pretty much use any kind of schema
that you that you can think of.
I think it opens up a lot of possibilities for, you know,
how NFTs can can grow and progress to be just more than what they are.
You know, certainly what we're doing with the Fusion stuff
kind of makes these sort of non-fungible tokens stay non-fungible,
but you can still make them fungible in a way, you know,
using kind of this technology.
And I think it opens up to more use cases,
not necessarily, you know, just with the JPEG world, but hopefully in the bigger, wider world, people will start using this as a form of, I don't know, presenting data maybe.
I don't know.
I think it's important to use as many norms as possible, like schema.org, to present your data, because you've got to think about the posterity of the information that you're putting down.
So, you know, not trying to think of the most shiny thing when it comes to how you show information, unless, of course, it doesn't provide something that's already there.
So, you know, the best websites that are around are so simple
that they'll just be around forever.
They just keep going, keep going, because they are so simple.
You know, like a week in Chia is such a simple website.
It's great.
It runs on anything.
You could probably run it on a Kindle 3G keyboard
with a free internet connection that I lost one time on an
airplane.
I think that thing will probably still keep going and that website would look
absolutely amazing on it.
Yeah.
But you know,
anything with a bit of react,
it's gone.
So yeah,
as accessible as possible,
I think is good.
And you got a,
you know, a lot of, a lot this um lo-fi or retro stuff plays on the hey it looks old school but what it's also doing is becoming
very accessible yeah staying very accessible yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean i i i kind of follow along
on the um uh kind of the metaverse stuff.
I know that's kind of not really something people talk about.
That's kind of a couple of years ago, people talk about metaverse.
And just about every NFT project in the world was going to be the next big thing for the metaverse.
But I'm part of the metaverse forum.
But, like, I'm part of the Metaverse Forum, and, you know, Schema.org is kind of used a lot within there to kind of standardize information that's compatible across, you know, the idea of kind of the Metaverse Forum is to give some form of standard, you know, across, well, across a metaverse.
So, yeah, it's key to how things happen, I suppose.
Oh, I see you've just put a link there.
That's the CyberChef.
That's the CyberChef one.
I was actually going to do one where I just, I mean, I'm on my phone at the moment.
I didn't park up, but I was going to take your photo and pop it into cyberchef on
my phone and then just give you the base 64 encoded version of your image and you can pop that back
out on the other side and it's going to be the same image because all it's doing is it's taking
the information and then turning it just changing the format of it into something that's readable
because you can't read the ones and zeros but you can read all these yeah yeah yeah so the binary representation of
it it's funny because like we're looking at this base 64 stuff and it's in like letters and numbers
and stuff that we look at but it doesn't really stay like that ends up going back to binary anyway
but it's all binary it helps it does yeah we're all stored in the databases and stuff yeah yeah yeah
i think we've cleared the room this is awesome back to just like the four or five people hell
yeah that's what i like to do that's what i like to do we're taking the um we're taking one for
the team with this uh me and edward edward kind of takes i i guess if you look at it from kind of the
east coast u.s kind of crowd uh edward
starts at like 3 a.m or something and then i carry on from like 5 a.m or something something like
that we're uh we're taking the the dying shift but i'm happy take one for the team i say
i remember being in this same in the same slots yeah as well in some of the other marathons that we were doing.
Yeah.
Always around.
The end of, you know, while either Ed was jumping in and out of stuff or falling asleep,
and then between that and you waking up.
Yeah.
We're taking the night shift.
Yeah.
That's cool.
If I knew you guys were going to do something like
this or stuff like that i would have prepped some more stuff this is pretty cool yeah no it's cool
i think um like i'll kind of talk you talk you through what we've done like the first the first
day um like i say we we kind of thrashed out what we were going to do literally coming in with no no ideas or anything we just like talked on the
stage and we came up with um because we're doing like a cheer marathon we'll create a marathon
runner uh like nft and and uh you know what what traits you need how do you do you know do you need
rarity in there are we going to be able to do it by hand um you know are we going to do it in time that
type of stuff um talking about um things like uh you know going into the depths of what what do we
do with them are they a giveaway are we going to kind of auction them off what do we do with the
funds if we do auction them uh you know who's who's kind of responsible for the ip you know
what happens if uh for some bizarre reason it suddenly takes off and, you know,
Cartoon Network want to make a space runners TV program, you know,
who's kind of looking at that? Do we have a license file, you know,
breaking it all down from there?
And then yesterday we sort of dived into what traits we could produce so that you could have a, you know, a kind of rarity structure within the collection.
And we decided on 222 pieces.
And, yeah, it's been cool.
And like today, it's literally kind of going over what metadata is, how we kind of create it, what it means in Chia.
And then tomorrow, what's tomorrow tomorrow i guess is kind of starting to put things together uh hopefully hopefully the artwork's
going to be finished by thursday slash friday this week so that literally we can actually
like you know use some sort of engine to put the put the nfts
and the metadata together sort of friday mint them saturday uh and then hopefully sunday monday
they'll go up for auctions and uh yeah we'll have we'll have gone from zero to hero
that's the plan but lee how are you how are Mr. Potter? Good morning. I would like to be the first to congratulate you all in the future about your big smash cartoon.
I guess with that kind of money rolling in, y'all shouldn't mind when Chio hits six.
So, you know, but I typed a question in typical me with my problem with tech.
I'd lost the where and where it went.
So I don't know if you saw it, but I was asking when he was talking about, you know, the way of just using data on the blockchain.
So, like I said, if let's say you built something you wanted to give to the world, like, I don't know, an engine that ran on water and you didn't want to wind up in a cornfield buried somewhere and your work stolen and disappeared into a hole like you know the big uh
um oil companies would do something like that uh would that be where you would put that kind
of thing if you were gonna you know give the patent to the world i i got totally lost when
you started talking about water do you want to do you want to ask again yeah let's say you made
an internal combustion engine that ran on water.
Well, the oil companies are not going to stand for that.
You'll want to bury it in a parking lot somewhere. And then, you know, like Hoffa or whatever.
Could you put that on the blockchain?
Yeah.
And make it like a public domain kind of thing where it couldn't be yanked down?
Yeah, of course.
Of course. I mean, that's the whole the whole idea right it's called immutable data so it depends on how you want to do it i mean i can't help you with
the uh not getting whacked over your uh water internal combustion engine and right but i don't
want to whack in vain when you sure sure sure but it's more about you have to release something at some point, right?
And what you want to release it on is a platform that's sensor-resistant, censorship-resistant.
I'm not saying censorship-proof because I don't think anything ever is, but it's censorship-resistant.
So, yes, putting it on chain will.
I mean, you could do that without making it an nft collection you could really just send yourself uh a coin and then put your idea in the memo
field of the transaction and that will be on chain i mean i did that too i sent a memo to somebody
when i was making a transaction on chia and i put a base 64 encoded image in it
that had a base 64 encoded image in it so there was i mean was that was that with the deliberate
i mean was that with the intent to hide something though or or i mean or but still hide it in plain
sight or is it i'm not i'm not sure i'm following the test was a test. I don't want to test. Okay.
Look, it's not an easily accessible image, but I mean, if it was me,
nothing could actually stop.
Not much could actually stop you taking that down,
even if it was on IPFS,
because the person that owns it
could always just send the data the data uri to another location
so if you're familiar with how ethereum metadata works you ask the smart contract okay well on on
how where should i pitch this this uh to you i mean because i'm a fan of chair i guess that would
be where i'd want to send it but no i mean i don't uh i don't know where am i sending you the take that's fine so on on chia when you buy an nft there is there is a
portion of the metadata that's actually on chain that's the sensitive resistant stuff and then
they point to other parts uh to to a web address that you can then retrieve other, you know,
say rich information.
you know,
getting,
getting a big maximalist on NFTs,
the token is the art.
The token is everything.
The art,
the image is nothing.
The license is nothing.
The other metadata and attributes is also nothing.
It's the token,
but that's me just being an absolute maxi.
If I go forward a step and people want to see the images it is too costly um data wise on a blockchain to store an image so they
point to an image so you'd like to point it to another censorship resistant um location so just
say you point it to a website that website could be taken down. So you don't
want that. You put it on IPFS. IPFS is another peer-to-peer file system. And you're scattergunning
it out there to everywhere, right? Well, basically that's a bit different. So you don't scattergun
it out. So I guess in the hierarchy a blockchain is like a nuke.
It just kind of goes everywhere.
IPFS is more like a shotgun.
It goes everywhere but it's not going to
hit everyone.
And it's just like a
punch into the ground or something.
It's just shit. But it's
more that with
IPFS and some of those other censorship resistant uh
file file networks or file storage networks it's really on the uh the person that's running a node
to whether they want to store your information or not it's called pinning on ipfs so when you
pin somebody's data it actually stays as persistent semi-persistent memory so think of it
like you just got a whole bunch of mail and you're holding your mail for your friends but you've only
got you know like a backpack and you you've told your friend that he's coming back in a month he
goes i'm coming back in a month can you just hold my mail for me and you're just like i can only
hold a bag worth of mail and you're just there and somebody else's mail comes in and you're like, sorry, bro, I can't hold this other guy's mail.
I told my friend, he's going back in a month, I have to hold his mail.
So then he comes back and you go, here's your mail.
Great.
But you also keep a copy.
You know, it's a really bad analogy.
I'm sorry.
I thought I was going to go.
But basically, you've only got a certain amount of memory.
You've only got a certain amount of memory and for the stuff that you care dearly about and the stuff that you want to pin and hold for persistence online, not on chain, online, you hold on to that information.
And when people ask you for it, you give it to them.
And sometimes it's because there's a couple of nodes down the road that have asked for it.
And they say, I know a guy who's got that.
I know a guy who's got that.
And they keep going until they get to you.
And you're like, here, I've been holding on's got that, I know a guy who's got that, and they keep going until they get to you, and you're like,
here, I've been holding on to this bit of information, here it is,
and then they copy it into their memory,
and then it just keeps going all the way until they give it to the person who asked for it.
But the people that don't care about the information as much as you do,
they forget that information because they only have a certain amount.
But they've got stuff that they care about, they pin pin and that's the idea that if everybody ran a node and everybody cared about you know some sort of information and they pinned it then there's a hope that there'll be enough
people pinning the information that they care about it's the same information that you care about
and you get you get decentralization that way so you get like a buzz, let's say, from the, I mean,
whether it's a rumor or whatever,
but then it's like all of a sudden people are like going to find this stuff
or whatever.
The only reason I even asked that was like Edward and I got into a hypothetical
about him, but, you know, like something the world really needed
is free energy and how that would just, you know,
do away with like the need for money. I know it sounds hilarious.
But it was, you know, it's, I mean, that's something, you know,
Tesla tried to do and they shut him down for it, you know, at one point,
you know, so, you know, with the patents.
I think that may have solved it better. I,
when you said storing it on chain is too expensive,
is this not a perfect use case for this thing?
What Foods did with the Space Marmots?
Put it on chain because it doesn't even have to move.
So it's only expensive to move, isn't it?
Spaceman did it.
Spaceman did it.
I'm just saying, because like, yeah.
Ask Foods to do something else on on chain they can do a fuck you
chunk token on chain let me see if he can do that no he didn't do it spaceman did it but yes it is
as long yeah spaceman leo absolute champ so he modified the code for his node to be able to
accept a file so large so you can actually put on chain they're gonna let you
normally um anyway to go back to what you said yes it is but just make sure that your idea is really
small so so it can trade but basically if you just got an idea or words or anything you don't have to
make it an nft because as soon as you make a transaction and put memo in it it stays on chain
that image that i put in the memo field of a transaction of one mojo and send it to someone, that's still there.
You can go back and find that block.
Go find the block, go find the transaction, take the information, it's there.
It's there.
And it's on everyone else's node.
Everyone else is there.
They're storing the same information.
Can they fork it out of existence if they decided
to you know have like like the block size war or whatever where you suddenly get like multiple
chains and blah blah blah you can only do it until the block yeah you can only do it by forking the
chain at the time yeah you still have to be the longest chain but man it's so far back in in the history you're
actually more at risk of being culled as in your your blocks being compressed sorry the the uh the
database that runs the blockchain to be compressed so it's just harder to find but you'll still be
able to get it yeah interesting just send the same message man every day tell you what it's kind of like um if you if you know like people i was going to say people used
to um send like snail mail letters in the mail with their ideas on to kind of proof stamp you
know there's a stamp and someone stamped it to say this was posted that day you know now you've got this this kind of technology which is you know a mutable data to say that this was you know
represented to the world in in a such a way and nobody can dispute that you know it's it's there
like the chunks here the chunks in before chip 15.
before chip 15. exactly exactly didn't you um this is kind of i don't want to i don't want to
railroad the conversation but weren't chunk didn't chunk to use some form of data layer
yeah so we put our images on the data layer but the way we did the way we pointed to it was by
putting the data store id in the other data field within the CHIP7 standard.
So, you know, there's fields that you can put your attributes for your NFTs in.
And then there's another one which is just called data.
And so we put the data store ID in there.
So then later on, we could say, hey, the data store ID is in the metadata of every NFT's metadata,
so you can go there.
I mean, there's a lot more steps needed.
We just kind of put a pointer to the next thing
that should be really happening in the space, which was that,
but also provided the data store
and had people mirror the data store as well.
So, yeah.
I don't really say it's in before 15.
I'm just being a bit facetious but it's um it is a step in that direction a trailblazer sorry go ahead
no god i was just saying chunks of trailblazer well i was just gonna say that monkey do you um
you totally like just threw me back in a time warp because it was like i don't even remember
what the hell it was for i think it was like a title or something.
You know, we mailed ourselves a registered letter and then stuck it in a book of records and just left it there.
You know, like, don't, you know, just get the date stamp on it
and, you know, make sure you sign for it
and then, you know, put it away and save for like in case of an emergency or whatever.
I don't remember what the hell it was for, though.
I think it was a custody battle that involved one of my siblings.
But that was, you know, back in the days of the Candy Court Trash 80.
So, you know, that's the thing.
So it's like the A3 or so.
But anyway, I hadn't thought of that in forever.
But thank you.
And thank you guys.
And even though you said it was a horrible
analogy,
I understood what every one of those
words meant. That's a win for me.
Most of
the stuff's usually so inside baseball and over my
head, so I really appreciate it.
Sweet. Y'all have a great
morning. You too, mate. Alright, take care. Cheers, Lee. I'll appreciate it. Sweet. Y'all have a great morning. You too, mate.
All right, take care.
Cheers, Lee.
I'll sit down.
Yeah, I think...
Edward, do you know Lee?
Yeah, yeah, we had a great chat yesterday,
I think it was, in Asia time.
We share similar interests in some of the things that
we're into so yeah great guy i was gonna say he sounds like he'd uh um right up your street
should we say right up your street yeah um yeah i mean that's like the last hour and a half or
hour and 40 minutes has flown by chunk chunk has come to the rescue he's saved saved us we're talking about talking about metadata let's let's face it
it's a pretty dry subject but uh i think chunks chunks done us done us proud today is uh he's he's
he's hit the nail on the head um i think one of the one of the things we've got to do next um is is kind of figure out or work out like when we come
to like what we're creating as the collection is what are the traits names you know what are the
traits called uh is there a description that comes with these traits is there like a description of
the collection uh you know it's like you you kind of these are the sort of things
that you have to kind of get right first time um because it's like it's there it's like like we
said earlier it's kind of there forever so uh but yeah we i'm sure we can come up with that in kind
of the back channels and and usually that'll happen when you when you actually see the artwork
as well once uh once ice labs and Degener have kind of created stuff,
you can start coming up with the namings and things.
And I think another important thing is when it comes to kind of specifically
Chia metadata and keeping it simple to chip seven is to make sure you put
the right things in the right boxes, so to speak.
You need to make sure that you've got a unique ID, for example.
So I just use a UUID kind of website that produces a unique number,
unique string of numbers and letters or whatever to kind of produce this unique ID.
And that's kind of the way that the, I guess,
places like MintGarden, you know, the exchanges
and sort of the people that view it
can separate your NFT collection.
So it's rather than going from a name,
which can be, you know, replicated,
sort of a unique ID is unique to your collection.
I guess that's one of the downsides of a unique id is unique to your collection so um i guess that's one of the
downsides of a collection of coins is that you need to make sure you've got a little coin purse
to get all your little coins into them exactly it's got a uuid on it because otherwise it's just
a random scattered collection of coins exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i've even tried to uh mint uh an nft in someone
else's collection with their uid didn't work uh why because of the dod or i think so yeah because
it uh smashed them together yeah i was gonna say that's also not like cheap metadata the way it does it it was just agreed by um people that ran platforms
oh is it really it's like it's only yep yep i smell i smell nice yeah i was gonna say what what
if you create an nft without a uh with you know mention it without a did could you then could other people then just use that you
are you uid to i've never tried to mint an nft without uid without a did yeah you might need
one though i was gonna say i i think you oh i don't know actually i don't know i've never tried
if you if you can mint one without a DID,
then how could they prove that it was you that did it?
I mean, it's a fun check, but what's the point?
Yeah. I guess if you're opening yourself up to doing that,
then you're opening yourself up to getting basically scaled on.
Yeah.
I mean, that in itself actually um is probably one of the one of the few negatives about cheer
nfts is that the kind of the creator the did that creates them can like add additional pieces into
that collection which is good in a way for some things but you know for instance if um you know with the chunks for
instance uh you could now put another hundred in there that's rarer than all the other ones
two thousand actually yeah exactly yeah uh which is gonna piss a lot of people off
no it won't because actually it might but look at the collection in the actual chunks collection
it does say that there's going to be 12 000. yeah i know yeah i mean your your examples like you
know not a good example because i know there's there's potentially more to come and people know
that but you know if you think about the whole the whole idea for nft one and it being about artwork um you can almost look at it
at the life as as the uh the signature of the life cycle the signature of an artist in their life
their life cycle that when they lose access to the d ideas because they don't have access to
that anymore so they cease to create art i guess that's one way to put it. But I think for the most part, when it comes to people on chain
and where we kind of currently are with this,
we're talking about collections of limited run collectibles.
Yeah.
What it doesn't help with is limited run collectibles,
but there are some saving graces.
And I guess it's really about enforcement and about understanding
and reading the metadata and then and then saying whether you like the way that the artist has done
it or not but when you look at the on-chain metadata there is an addition field in the
metadata not on the off-chain metadata but the on-chain metadata, you could actually say that this is one of a thousand.
And so if somebody does more than a thousand,
then really it's more a cultural thing.
There's no enforcement there, but you can say,
wow, look, you don't have a genuine one because you're not in the first thousand.
Or if they did more than a thousand,
then they're doing something else.
But there is an
argument on how to use those uh metadata fields properly because it is for additions for when
you're actually trying to make a limited run of the same nft over and over and over again
yeah i was talking to um who's i talked to could have been andreas or yak about the there's you probably
haven't heard about this but there's like a a new nft staking puzzle that's kind of just been
released uh and i was talking to him about how how you would at the moment it's set up so that the
the kind of staking puzzle looks at the collection the whole collection the collection
id rather than the individual nfts within it and i was talking to him about how you would
um sort of reference the on-chain uh sort of data field to to make sure that you could separate the
kind of staking puzzle down to the individual nft rather than the whole collection
sorry man i missed half of that i'm sorry oh sorry i've got my i've got my flipping robot
hoover coming there attacking again as well um yeah no i was saying about um there's a new nft
staking puzzle have you have you heard about that at all
i heard someone say staking and i didn't i don't know about it sounds cool yeah so it's essentially
a new new cheer list that the the first iteration of it um looks looks at an nft kind of collections
um rather than kind of breaking it down into the individual nft id so it
it kind of just looks at the collection id um which means if you want to stake an nft within
there um within a certain collection you can do that and obviously it'll it'll kind of distribute
tokens over a kind of set period um for your state nft that's the that's the idea of it and i was um i was talking
to yak and andreas about how you could take that further by using that kind of on-chain data field
to reference the actual nft id so you could break it down so that individual NFTs within collections could have different, I guess, weights of sort of banking, if that makes any sense at all.
Yeah, no, it does. It does. And I think that you would have to understand that the data field can't be changed.
Yes. Yeah.
Can't be changed. And I think that's an important thing to just quickly note that it can't be changed
even if the data is off chain because of the hashing the good thing is i guess that it is there
and you can add whatever you want in there so i guess if it's let's say it's even schema.org compliant, I'm sure that it could do that because the majority of these other,
except for the actual payment method, which, and again,
I know nothing about this staking NFT or this staking puzzle,
but the way you would actually action it,
unless it's fully on-chain, would be done by getting the off-chain metadata
i mean because if the whole thing was on chain then there would be no retrieving of the data
field from an off-chain um asset that was you couldn't actually go and look at the image of a
thing when you're doing a puzzle so the on-chain bit and sometimes
that's less glamorous but totally more secure yeah is is that part because if you just have a website
that you then log on to to do the staking and all that stuff that that website then can get smashed
yeah exactly yeah yeah and that that's that was that was kind of the conclusion we had was you want the chain itself, you know, the puzzle itself is looking at the kind of the, I guess, like the singletons and referencing the on-chain data rather than anything off-chain.
It can't see what's off-chain.
It can only see a hash.
So you need that kind of unique data field to reference something,
which is on chain.
That's right.
Yeah.
I got to jump in.
I got to jump.
I've just been working away from home and,
just got home and just wanted to jump in and see the fan.
Yeah.
Nice one.
Nice one.
Yeah.
I appreciate you coming up chunk.
It's been,
been a great conversation.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We caught in a bit of traffic and then I got something to eat in the Nice one. Yeah, I appreciate you coming up, Chunk. It's been a great conversation. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
We recorded a bit of traffic, and then I got something to eat in the meantime, too.
So it was a good little slot.
So nice to talk to you all.
And now you've got me recorded trying to say, like, really serious stuff, which is a change, I guess.
Yeah, have a good day, mate.
And, yeah, if you're around tomorrow pop in
yeah this time i will be around this time so send me a um send me a dm and i'm happy to send you
resources or whatever i've got yeah we'll do i'll um i'll tell you what i'll do i'll add you we've
got like a little back a back chat with kind of me de jenna uh edward and and ice labs in there i'll add you into there we can
uh we can we can pick on your resources
do it cool cool see you
how cool was that well legend i haven't spoke to i haven't spoke to trump for ages not a long time
uh i can't remember the last time i actually spoke to chunk haven't spoke to chump for ages not a long time uh can't remember
the last time i actually spoke to chump from a space probably about a year ago i reckon
i noticed he had drifted off to uh to sort of uh without with kind of outside of the chia
ecosystem a bit more but um yeah he's a very knowledgeable person which is uh which is good
to know as well so uh yeah that's excellent, what do you make of that, Edward?
That's pretty cool, isn't it?
Yeah, he's like the resident expert on data layer, I think.
Well, maybe Michael Taylor, maybe chunk,
but he put the first collection on data layer with the chunks right.
And it's an SVG file as well, I think, which is layered.
Or maybe I get it confused, but was is very visionary like that and definitely very
technical he's less of an nft salesman than some other community for sure and uh but one of the
best minds there is yeah yeah and i think i think what you can kind of get from all of that is
at the end of the day everything's ones and zeros it all goes back
to ones and zeros you know and there's not many things that uh in fact there's probably nothing
that can uh that doesn't rely on external kind of factors whether it's a blockchain whether it's um
a website whether it's what whatever uh you, it all goes back to ones and zeros.
That's the key take from it all.
So yeah, no, it was really cool.
Really cool.
And probably a more in-depth conversation about metadata
than I thought I was going to go into today,
which is great.
And obviously it's kind of recorded
and it will all be unlucky as well.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
In a sense, the metadata is the gold of the blockchain
because the images and videos it links to, even this collection, really,
you know, the file could disappear.
It isn't permanent on there, but the metadata is, at least,
a short form of it.
So, yeah, it's like stored forever basically on the blockchain and
uh when you were asking lee could yeah go ahead well well it's not it's not so so
only certain parts of the metadata are actually on the chain um so you know what happens is uh we'll do this like late in the week but essentially
we create a png file which will be the image and then we'll create like a text file which we're
going to call a json file again they're two separate kind of items as such now that the contents within the metadata are kind of what's what the marketplaces and things
look at but it's exactly the same with the image what happens is we upload the metadata file the
json file to ipfs or to rweave and essentially when you mint it it creates a hash and that hash goes onto the chain rather than the actual complete metadata information.
So, you know, if if the metadata file is kind of destroyed or the IPFS link goes down, you would lose that information about the NFT.
So, you know, that's across the board that's not not just uh chia the the reason why chia is
kind of slightly different is it means we can have you know multiple kind of backups of that so
for instance if we create this collection and upload it to um a specific ipfs like a global storage and just have that that kind of one link it'll it'll produce like um
like a uh url to to that image and you go to that url and you'll be able to see that image or that
that json file if that if that's destroyed then the nft is is sort of redundant but the the
bonuses with cheer is you can add more than one of those in.
So, for instance, the monkey zoo stuff, we add like two or three backups.
So if one goes down, you know, for whatever reason, the other one sort of takes over.
And also the way it's slightly done differently with cheer is compared to the EVM world is the EV evm world is controlled by kind of one contract one person but an nft on cheer is controlled by literally the person who has it in their wallet
so uh an example would be if i had um an nft and it was quite valuable and i wasn't completely sure that the ipfs link was going
to be there for kind of another another link and that would then go on uh to the kind of
on-chain data if that makes sense so the on-chain parts of the kind of nft are the hashes
nft are the hashes um and um and certain fields that the kind of blockchain needs to know exists
so uh yeah that's cool yeah no worries to general
yeah so so again it's not foolproof uh and um you know even with like ordinals or you know that claim to be kind of on
chain that there's there's not a picture on chain it's kind of it's kind of text
driven and there's a kind of indexer that has to look at that text and show
you the image kind of afterwards after the facts you know offer there you know
that you're still relying on external services
to look at that um and i would i i would kind of argue with with kind of ordinals especially they
use they use a specific part of kind of a uh i guess the kind of transaction they use kind of
we would call it like a memo field type thing where they use like um uh i think they call
it the witness field to store this data in um which is only only a certain size so uh and there's
there's ways essentially that that can be kind of manipulated um um or or should we say kind of
removed um from certain nodes i mean we could go into
really technical stuff there about how how different nodes do different things we we
in chia don't have that problem because we pretty much only have one type of node
so that's not a problem but going forwards there may be more uh but yeah no it's interesting so
yeah to kind of answer the question the metadata still isn't fully on chain um no it's interesting so yeah so it's kind of answer the question the metadata
still isn't fully on chain um but it's a slightly better version of what already exists
because we got the we got the capability to to kind of add additional protections in there
um and also it kind of protects from the kind of original content being changed
because the hash only links to a certain image or piece of data.
It gets quite complicated quite fast, shall we say.
But I don't know.
What was your kind of view on how the chia nfts worked as such then edward
yeah well i've been caught out there because for the whole time i thought the metadata was
uncensorable i guess i'm wrong that's interesting so it's the json file is stored somewhere on the
internet i guess yeah is that yeah that yeah yeah essentially that and you could you could you could sort of
go into the depths of how ipfs works um you know it's supposed to be immutable and stored forever
things like um you know uh is it file coin and things like that that's essentially a way of doing
it um i specifically use our weave which is kind of a well it is a kind of blockchain that is
specifically made to store data so um you're kind of relying if you think of ipfs being
kind of a centralized authority like a uh a server rack full of hard drives and that's where your data
is stored you know obviously
it's kind of backed up a few times but that's kind of how ipfs is you know you you put a put
put your you go into sort of the front end of an ipfs upload an image and somewhere in the world
it is stored on a hard drive and referenced and that's kind of how ipfs works um and then when you look at our weave
you kind of doing the same thing but you're putting it on a blockchain and if you think about
kind of the the other side of that blockchain um that data is then spread around kind of all the
node operators uh and they kind of look after that data but it's kind of
more decentralized way of storing data because you're not relying on essentially one hard drive
or a couple of backups of hard drive or a centralized company that runs ipfs to maintain
that information you're you're spreading the workload across a another blockchain
that's specifically designed to store image data and and that type of stuff so um it's less likely
to disappear godly i saw you mic'd off there for a second if you've got a question
maybe not sorry i didn't know that was that was a thumb that's fine that's fine yeah so
it's quite interesting like um and it's always been a conversation across kind of the nft world
of you know how is that information stored you know that we had um i'm trying to think of the
you know that we had um i'm trying to think of the kind of ipfs service that probably 99 percent
of nfts were on uh is it up file file up i can't i can't remember but but most people used a
specific service uh nft up i think it was called um to do that uh and they are no longer there uh the data currently is still being
maintained and probably farmed out to someone else um but ultimately it costs money to hold data
so you know what happens to these nfts that were used this nft up kind of ipfs service
nfts that were used this nft up kind of ipfs service um again it's kind of stored at the
moment uh and it's stored uh in in a in a well in a good way you know there's the likelihood it's
still going to stay there for a long long time um but at some point you know data becomes more data
becomes more valuable as we say other data may become more valuable than the data that's already stored
you know uh on the bitcoin blockchain there was that uh i'm not sure what to describe it but when
len sasserman passed away there was like a tribute to him in text form that stored on bitcoin in and maybe
even in the genesis block uh it may have been there could the same thing happen here with the
idea lee saying could be saved could you just save it on the blockchain as text
somewhere i don't really know how chia works but yeah it's doable on bitcoin at least yeah
essentially that's the
memo field inside your wallet um you know if i was to send you a transaction i have the option
in the memo field which on bitcoin is kind of called the witness data i believe um you can
just write some text inside there and within that transaction um well the words will go with it so
it's quite simply i don't know
i've not really used it very much i don't know if there's a limit the amount the amount of text
you can put in there again uh we'll get chunked back on tomorrow to kind of talk about it uh
but yeah because because essentially um you can just send that with a like a one mojo transaction
so yeah godly oh I say we hide it.
If, if, if it was something I really wanted to get out there,
I was just sending Edward a note on that.
We hide it inside one of the rumbas,
like he was talking about maybe all of the rumbas and then wait for the
singularity hit and hope one does the right thing.
Free the meat without killing the meat, you know,
kind of deal as far as humanity goes.
But who knows?
I'll be honest.
They'll probably find it more efficient to go ahead and knock us out
if you've seen those kind of reports that have come back
where they've given computers.
The military had released a couple of statements about that
where they were doing exercises and it was like you could only kill certain people
or whatever, you know.
I guess it's like the prime directive stuff certain people or whatever you know i guess it's
like the prime directive stuff from some of the robotics kind of things or asimov but but you
would have so they they had so the for whatever reason i mean this this hit in the u.s i want to
say about two years ago i remember that story came across my my timeline i was like jesus christ it
was like there weren't even we didn't even know this test was going on and the air force announced that you know um the tests they had done the the robots had killed their handlers several times
uh as they continue to run them because it was more efficient that way um and but uh you know
so they were killing like civilian casualties and their handlers because then that way they
wouldn't have to you know pay attention to them but they said but we've we've corrected it and and uh it was just one of those things they made a statement
that wasn't uh unprompted you know so um but anyways i'm sorry i'm hijacking the thing off
into a uh conspiracy thing i didn't mean to but uh i was just curious about hiding data and how
something like that would actually work but are you saying are you saying my my uh my rumba is going to take
over the world well i think i i think it's going to be related to probably the eventual emperor
whether that's the spartacus 2000 x 23 or or whoever it is and uh i just wanted to put in
a good word for me that i would untrap him when you get pinned by cabinet doors
and hopefully you know my my my fate is either
very quick but it's not cruel you know i'm a big doctor who fan so when they had the cyber menu
what i was here what sounded like a buzzsaw and it's just and a lot of screaming i was like this
should just be a really quick stillness but uh there wasn't there was it sounded like absolute chaos and mayhem so you know but like sherman said war is hell anyway i'm sorry i'm winding myself up again
i don't know if you and edward could just hold the thought for a minute i just need to make a
quick phone call uh not on this phone hopefully i can do it on my pc but uh if you guys could just hold
the fort for a couple of minutes sure no problem you'll regret that monkey yeah lizard people or
no just kidding yeah that would be that would be uh erica hey oh by the way have you seen
from the charlie kirk stuff have you seen that what they're doing to the uh the area
Kirk stuff have you seen that what they're doing to the the area oh what are they bulldozing it
over or something right in yes yes yes and then paving it but there's a trap door real close to
where he was sitting which just my my brain just went nuts I was going oh he's sitting on a fucking
beach somewhere with Epstein having drinks I mean like a trapdoor like you think like with like the globe theater you know and
central casting and of course you know what did uh what did uh shakespeare say i mean francis
bacon i mean shakespeare what did he say um all the world's a stage you know so it's just you know
who knows i firmly believe the world is a stage and the videos of him with his child
that have come out I think they're just
filming it now like
just a child actress like
his wife at the funeral it was
seemed like bad acting I mean maybe I'm being
disrespectful oh no no it's real
it's real bad acting the funny thing
of course is like Trump's not very interested in the
show he does lack empathy
I think that's one of those things
with him so he's like dancing and you know seven she's
like just you know just done her whether it's sitting on her Sally Fields
you like you know Oscar type speech and where she's like you love me you finally
love me and but anyway it's I'm making references to stuff that most people
were not born for.
Time-wise, I made that mistake with Drack earlier today, referencing Cannonball Run, the movie.
But anyway, a lot of times people come back with something that says, huh?
Never mind.
But the, yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, and that was the initial.
But what's the thing about he's got metallic bones now?
So he's Wolverine?
Because they were saying that was what caused the bullet to split.
Like I said, I still am like, there's no way it's a 30-06.
That's one of only two rounds that a civilian can buy in this country that is armor-piercing.
The other one would be like the 7.62x54 rimless,
which is a Warsaw Pact era round.
And you would see that used by, oh, I can't remember the actor's name,
but the movie Enemy at the Gates, if you know that.
I mean, it was used during the siege of fucking Stalingrad, for Christ's sake.
But those are the only two armor-piercing rounds that a, whatchamacallit, that a civilian can get, you know.
And like I said, the kinetic, the damage that that that thing does you know
they've got like shooter's gel where they've demonstrated that stuff and it just rips huge
holes it goes through both sides of the car and whatever's on the other side of the car you know
kind of thing and and you know we got that big spray thing but you know it's like i said it just
it just looks like when they dumped all the sand on the front lawn of the Pentagon, you know, after 9-11.
And by the way, he said just make it a short message or whatever that you would hide in there.
We just do Israel did 9-11.
Just let that code go out over and over and over.
Sorry, but I'm still on the how to hide a water burning engine.
how to hide a water
water burning engine
but yeah no I was just
I couldn't get that thought that you were talking about
the free energy thing out of my head today
so but
that was
I think electromagnetic energy
can be free
it's just
the power of magnetism like you can spin
metal in a circle and it'll just keep repelling and
attracting and spinning. I mean, that's movement, right?
There'll be a bit of heat, I guess,
but surely you could power a kettle boiling up with a couple of magnets,
like somehow. I mean, maybe not.
What was the guy's name? He used to be on TV in the eighties in the U S when we
had like, and I don't know if y'all had that over in england how many channels did y'all have like growing up
four okay okay yeah yeah no no i mean i grew up on abc cbs and nbc and then if you happen to live
near one of the big cities you got like either tbs out of atlanta and or you got uh you know we
had the course the uhf dial and then i guess it was like uh wgn out of chicago or you got, you know, we had, of course, the UHF dial, and then I guess it was like WGN out of Chicago.
That's how I wanted to become a Cubs fan, you know,
because that channel is just everywhere we moved around.
It was either that or the goddamn Atlanta Braves.
But then you had the, I guess, a little weird like UHF stations.
But, yeah, that's, you know, now it's, now it's huge.
And I forget why I even got on the damn TV situation, but I was, I was reading.
Oh, I know.
So anyway, so sometimes on the public access or whatever, you know, that's too bad.
That's something that definitely went away with the digital signal thing.
But the, with public access, you would have guys like this guy, Joseph Newman.
Did you ever see him?
He had this giant wheel.
Did he interview Bill Hicks about Waco?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
This is a guy that he had one of these perpetual motion machines,
something that they say doesn't exist, kind of thing.
But he had this giant wheel that would be almost off, almost off of, like, Wheel of Fortune or whatever
being run by a 9-volt battery, and it was insane.
You know what I mean?
There's a good cable channel out there called Gaia.
It's got a lot of kind of hippy-dippy stuff,
and they've got, like, that guy that does the Y-files
who is, you know, real big, and his show is fine.
But, like, I don't have the patience
for like the skywalker ranch stuff or whatever but but they'll have the guys that do things like uh
oh i mean you know energy energy stuff um you know and of course there's a lot of you know
um like what else but yeah mainly but so yeah they had they had one on free energy a really
good special i'll have to see if i can find that again but uh um and that might have actually been a white files one i i think because he was giving
you the stories of like what happened to the people who you know made the mistake of doing
this thing improving on the engine or whatever it was just it was pissing off you know detroit and
everything else so you know um or the people that you know uh got the oil so uh you know but uh yeah but uh
there's a there's a there's a podcast out called stuff you should know you ever watch that or
listen to that i'm sorry uh i've not watched it before no i think i might have heard of it
that's a pretty good one and that's that's where that's where they go back and they talk about things like,
so we talk about energy being one of the huge costs,
whether it's to move food, goods, services, whatever it is.
But of course, they were talking about planned obsolescence
is such a nasty pair of words.
But that was to make you know because he used to be like
i remember my grandfather he had like fords you know he had an edsel at one point you know it was
like uh but they didn't have a a model number year after year after year you know or the uh or like
my mom when we went to visit her family in kentucky so, um, they had had like the same refrigerator for 20 fucking years, I think, you know,
and, and the whole deal was, but it had like a front on the refrigerator.
So like when it got, I mean, it almost looked like a, what do you call it?
It's like a facade that goes over something like a building or whatever.
You give it a different look, you know, kind of thing. Like, it's like,
it's not really an Adobe building. It's still, you know,
some steel thing that just made to look like brick or whatever um that's so she didn't have a brick
refrigerator but they had what looked like almost like a snap-on type piece that went over both of
the doors and then that was so freaking that and so when that got messed up or whatever because
you know three years of use and raising a whole bunch of kids, you just put a new front on it.
But then they just started making shit to deliberately break.
The very first thing they made to break was were light bulbs.
And they switched it from that.
I think they had like tungsten filaments initially.
And then they switched them over to car.
I can't remember which which I've got it backwards or probably switched around.
But I mean, like I said, they switched the actual filament itself.
But they had what were called these century bulbs and there's some that are still going like there's
one in a firehouse in in uh san francisco that's still having you know got current running through
that's almost 100 years old you know how light bulbs are or were you know um but uh they never
did that you know but but and of course you couldn't go in and like flip
the switch on and off that's you know you probably fucked it it's just like you know taking taking
your hundred year old gram out for you know having her stand uh be the wicket keeper or something
like it's you're not gonna you're running her when you have a bowler running her and hurl a ball but
you know she can still put out a little bit of energy she's not gonna swing the bat or
any of that but she'll cheer for you maybe between hits of oxygen you know and that's what those
that's what those light bulbs were doing i mean they were still fucking working after 100 years
if i can find a clip of that i'll send that to you but uh um yeah so i mean you know it's that's
that's the first thing and then and but then, some people call it conspiracy, but like we said, it's just a group of like-minded people getting together with the same goals.
So if it's to live better, like I said, we've got to find someone that can grow food and do that locally.
You know, try not to get too many Nordics in there because I can't get around their diet.
That lewd fish or whatever that shit is, I can't handle that one.
But you know what I'm talking about?
That rotted fish?
Is that fermented fish or something else?
Yeah, that's it.
That lewd fish or whatever that shit is it
those students yeah i i will have to texas has historically had a lot of swedish settlements in
it so we'll have to uh just limit the number of sweets to eat this shit but uh um but uh you know
i'll take my chances with the rocks and dirt i guess but uh before before i
switch to that um but yeah future fried shark and some stuff you know but yeah we should still do
our food locally you know quit using things like monsanto field corn number two of course
you know what they were they they manufactured um during World War II and then switched over to fertilizer.
And so, yeah, that can't be healthy.
You know, you were talking about fluoride yesterday.
You know, I know I'm trying to I'm trying to remember what that is a toxic byproduct of.
But it's from another industry and they're just disposing, you know, through us and using our bodies to filter it out of the water system sort of you know but you know anyway sorry i'm winding myself
i didn't even mean to do that uh i was just trying to make a joke about a robot and then you know
see what happens they're definitely making things break though i mean that alone should be a crime
planned obsolescence those early games consoles,
I think the Atari 2600 and stuff like that,
they were like pieces of furniture meets a games console.
I can physically remember it, like the way the Switch clicked on.
I think they're still basically pretty solid.
So there's no reason that every consumer appliance
couldn't just
work indefinitely. If you're a piss poor sport, you can throw those things across the room.
They don't break. Making them break deliberately with like the Xbox will reheat and it melt
down and have one capacitor that melts like oh i bought
some really nice shoes from japan like running shoes and i didn't use them for 10 years and i
thought oh fair enough i'll go running and like whatever the super glue thin layer was between the
soles and the thing even though i'd never worn the shoes they just fell apart like the glue is
designed to break after a certain period surely they could not do that right so it's everywhere right literally
breaking stuff by design yeah it's it's too bad that i can't wear like you know because i mean
i've got fallen arches now at 56 but you know i've got like some handmade cobbler fucking italian
leather shoes that you know are just absolutely cruel to put on these days and brutal but you
know i need something like new balance but like you know
yeah something that hasn't been beat beat on hardly at all and yeah the the treads falling
apart i've got that going on with a pair of tennis shoes of mine that you know i don't wear very often
just because they're obnoxious and red you know but it's like, but they've, they're falling apart faster than, you know, uh, stuff that's worn a lot longer. Um, I mean that I've, that I've worn a lot more. So that's
just kind of a drag, but yeah, it's just like, it's, you know, there's all kinds of poor taxes,
you know, for the, for, for the working poor. So, but, uh, anyway, um, yeah But, you know, I'm trying.
Yeah.
Sorry, monkey.
We probably ran all your people off.
That's how you all met the day.
I don't know what you're talking about.
What was the conversation about building?
Actually, you're going to $6.
I hope so.
I hope so. I hope so.
Me too.
Yeah.
I'm really hoping this kind of new, you know,
kind of this delay is going to force that price down a bit more.
The more I can grab, the better.
That's my opinion anyway.
Yeah.
Like I said, all my friends keep putting dank shit on the fucking timeline,
and I spend my monthly allotment you know uh yeah and yeah one of the well it's a two-edged sword actually the chia ecosystem um like the chia kind of nobody
really wants to spend it because they they you know kind of speculate that it's going to go up a lot. But for the ecosystem to grow, you need people to spend it to kind of, you know, have that kind of economy going.
And, yeah, it's like a Cap 22.
Well, when you get to when you get like, you know, people like a Tom Pepe and, you know, parody parody master. And then, and then just,
I mean, throw in all the great art and, and I mean,
their administrative stuff blows me away. And then, I mean, it's just,
it's, it's fun and it's good.
And you don't feel like you need to watch for a knife in your back.
I'm not saying there isn't somebody got through the gate that won't stab me in
the guts first chance they get.'m obnoxious so i can understand
that but you know it's like i don't feel like they're coming after me financially you know it's
not a yeah yeah yeah one the the tier ego system is is probably like no other you know it hasn't
it hasn't so far to date attracted kind of that that type of person, not really. And I think the ones that has, have either kind of got bored or
have had no success.
So they haven't hung around.
It's kind of the way I see it.
I think, I think, I think, uh, I mean, that is the one thing is like shit,
even at like what at six, which I'm hoping for, but three would be better.
Um, but even then, mean it's like versus like
like you know because i came over here from the hex stuff and i mean but not hex but pulse per se
i was too late to hex and i was just to pulse just enough to you know fuck up and hand somebody my
seed for a reason and just lose everything who i thought was actually customer service because i
it's hard to explain to a boomer that like your computer is a window into this room and you don't realize.
And you just think everybody else is.
I'm the only one that's remote and everybody else is in this big room together.
And if there's any kind of bad actor, one of the other persons will go, hey, knock it off.
And it's like, no, no, they're looking through windows, too.
They're just looking into ears.
Not everybody else is.
So I was an idiot.
I fell for something early on, but it's, um,
and he spelled really well too, which most Americans don't.
The, you know,
it's the Prince from Nigeria game that we used to have here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I hear you.
I hear you.
Yeah.
Well,
window cleaners just turned up as well today. it's all going off it's all kicking off
here it's all kicking off um i just to uh steer the conversation back to kind of metadata and
stuff i've been we can carry on we can carry on the other conversation but i've pinned to the top
um the a couple of useful tools that i use when i create metadata one of them's um
uuid like to get a unique id website you go on there basically refresh it and it'll give you a
unique id that nobody else has ever used in the history of mankind um which is good for when you
want to unique that's that That's a useful tool.
So you can have a unique ID to put into your metadata.
And the other one is a really clever tool.
It's like a JSON schema validator.
And what you'll do is you,
on the left-hand side of that page, it's kind of the, I guess,
the way that schema looks at things
and you copy and paste your metadata into the right hand panel and it'll compare the two and
it'll highlight any mistakes that are there because within metadata you have different um
different arrays uh and kind of the way that it's set up needs to be a certain way uh and and if you don't get like a
colon right or um something right somewhere it will it will kind of break it um so that
when you upload it or when you mint your nft the actual um um kind of mid gardens and that won't
won't see that metadata properly so it needs to be able to read it exactly
how it's uh it's supposed to be so that two useful tools for anybody that's within the nft world is to
to use those to double double check your work um uh there's another i think there's another uh json
validator let me just have a quick look at that as well which I sometimes use which again is a
is a kind of cool tool to make sure that you're you're kind of doing the right work here we go
let me let me pin that as well copy paste that but this this one that I'm now going to pin is more of a general kind of looks at json files and metadata to um
to check it that it's in the right format and let me just post that there
what about yourself lee are you uh are you kind of a creative person? Would you consider doing your own work,
or have you done any work like the NFT side of it?
I hit things with sticks.
I'm not very artistic.
I mean, I'm musical, I guess,
depending on what people think of my drumming.
But no, I mean, that's what I've been doing
for the last 30 years since I got out of the military
was playing music.
And then, like I said,
uh, we got this plague that, you know, cause, cause the thing, you know, the thing was that
you could always find people to commit, you know, if the, if times got bad financially,
there was still a pub open, you know what I mean? And, and there's a meeting place, but
I didn't plan on them, you know, doing theplace thing, which blew a three-decade-sized hole in my resume kind of thing.
But no, my siblings are – I'm the oldest of seven,
and my siblings are really artistic.
I'm just, you know, drums good, fire bad for the most part,
unless you're trying to cook with it.
You're ex-military, like myself then.
Yeah, that's cool.
So what was you in the military?
Was you part of the bands and music within the military?
Yeah, actually I was.
And I was telling this to, because we were talking about Japan the other night,
I guess, because Satan's Angel popped through Edward's Space.
And I had re-enlisted for uh for camp zama japan you know
and and was really looking forward to it and then uh saddam is saying i'm rolled into kuwait
and uh desert storm and shield and that's also where i learned about british rations so that
blew me away that you guys had like a steak and kidney pie in a can yeah yeah don't anymore it's all it's all bag stuff now
yeah same thing the mre and all that bullshit yeah yeah yeah yeah well i i uh i joined just
after desert storm the first first of all started um and then left i was only in for eight years and then left just before the next one started so i
managed to miss both somehow lucky you yeah lucky me i didn't um did you i'm trying to i'm trying to
accept your request edward it doesn't seem like i can accept your request to come back now oh
invite to speak here again um but yeah so did you um did you have to take the the uh the naps the kind
of the um sort of chemical agent pills yeah and we took that and we took uh what was that one called
i can't we took one that was insane and then we we had the the gamma globulin shot you know so it's
like there's you know like like an idiot you know i took the jab
for the covid thing and and i was telling everybody i don't i got i got uh not not astrazeneca or not
johnson and johnson because my legs were completely blown apart but the um the uh pfizer
and i just i which was a two-parter and i did not get the booster because i mean i just knew
people are starting to have symptoms and i mean i've got a weird thing and I don't know what it is and I never could figure it out
at the VA it's like you know how when you pop your shoulder or stuff like that
you know you can feel a joint kind of thing it's you know you don't talk about you can force the
thing and make it actually pop you know whether it's your jaw or what you know I keep sometimes
I'll get a tightness in my chest I'm'm going, if I could just get my heart to pop, you know,
relieve some pressure, but it's like, you know, let's not push that, you know?
So I don't,
I don't really chase things and I don't get out and pump iron or any other
kind of stuff. Cause I'd love to say it's gay and just troll everybody,
but it's, it's just, it's, it's, you know, it's,
it's one of those things where I can't really, I'm not into that culture.
And it also just, I do worry about overdoing it, you know, so it's, that's the way it goes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I do, I, I keep reasonably in shape, nowhere near to obviously the keeping in shape when you're in the military.
That's a, that's a different level, but I have a shape.
Yeah.
Well, I would say it's pear shape for me, but yeah, I have a shape yeah well i would say yes it's pear shape for me but uh yeah i have a shape
i would say uh you know definitely i mean you you probably joined what late 80s early 90s 87
87 yeah october of 87 was when i went in yeah which is a vastly different culture to the to
the military that it lives today certainly yeah they've got stress cards now which blew me away
i i had a drill i had a drill sergeant that was kind of more like um more like more like uh at
the very the best i could come up with is maybe Sergeant Hulka from fucking, you know,
Stripes with Bill Murray.
But I mean, he was so mean
and freaking, you know,
they, you couldn't tell,
you couldn't play a stress card
like you're pulling a yellow card
in a football match
and tell the ref to back off
because you're just feeling
a little too much, you know.
That's insane to me, you know.
Yeah, it's definitely changed. Definitely changed. I mean, ultimately, we's insane to me, you know? Yeah, it's definitely changed.
Definitely changed.
I mean, ultimately, we were kind of the fittest alcoholics in the world at one time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if you knew anybody who was in, like, air defense artillery,
those guys were just constantly going to army drug and alcohol control programs
on a regular basis, you know?
They had their own chair and bench and everything else so um like i said i was i couldn't believe i was over there i was like
i said i was playing drums and the next thing you know i'm staring at a freaking humvee down the
middle of a c5a just going you know in one of those nylon seats i'm like what the hell am i doing here
how did this happen i was just coming in for college money I must admit the Humvees were a step above our
kind of rate Land Rovers you know whenever I whenever I was kind of
deployed you always wanted to you always want to go in a Humvee much better is it
true that the reason the England doesn't make you know like a bunch of computers
is they just can't get them to leak oil sorry I had heard that the reason that England doesn't make, you know, like a bunch of computers is they just can't get them to leak oil?
Is it what? Sorry?
I had heard that the UK doesn't make computers because they couldn't get them to leak oil.
The SA-80. Oh, Jesus. Jesus worked.
Well, actually, like, I'm still involved with, like, the military stuff. I still like to do some part-time with the Army cadets,
and we're still using that rifle, the kind of, well, the SA-80.
We call it, like, the Cadet A1.
But it's exactly the same.
And part of the drills for it is to forward assist that bolt
as part of the drills that has been for the last
30 years uh this is probably this probably means nothing to nobody apart from you but me and you
but you know you shouldn't have to kind of forward assist you know when you load it or when you're
when you're kind of unloading it you can chamber your thumb that's what the that's what my
grandfather used to have with the m1 garand you know um which is the 30-6
but uh but but uh you know yeah you get what they call m1 thumb you just like load your thumb into
the bridge if you weren't paying attention you know so yeah yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's not the
greatest rifle in the world uh there is well there's been talk for the last 20-30 years about
about changing it up to a different sort of standard rifle.
I think the UK, certainly like special forces and stuff, like use more US kind of weaponry, M4 and stuff like that.
Well, is there still stuff?
I mean, I know a lot of things are changing.
Like, I mean, I guess with Charles ascending to the throne, he's the last Windsor, right?
Doesn't he go over to Mountbatten from there?
It was one of the things that I heard as far as, like, the family.
But then, and we won't talk about him.
I mean, his tennis shoes are still flying over the English Channel.
But the, what was it oh so but i mean i did a pretty deep dive on reading about like uh
cecil rhodes and bertrand russell and like you know how they kind of used media and they had
these these kindergartens i guess that's the first i didn't realize that was kind of the origin of
that word but they they they use like you know media and and you know articles and everything
else and and to really push for like the boar war and then there was also the uh shaming them at home with like you know the four feathers kind of situation
you know being a coward yeah yeah i mean it's a it's a completely different world where i mean
we're we're way off topic about metadata but it's an interesting conversation regardless sorry sorry
all right i'll stop but uh not at all not at. I was going to say, like, the way kind of wars and, I guess, kind of battles
are fought very, very differently these days. I mean, even during the 90s, things like PSYOPs
were a big type of sort of use in combat. in combat and to the you know dropping leaflets like
they did in world war ii was happening i was out in bosnia during that that conflict and
the psyop kind of stuff they were using they would they would travel out to kind of villages
with these massive trucks with massive speakers on them and they would blast in kind of
speakers on them and they would blast in kind of uh
the heroes babies crying and that type of stuff
for days it was like you know this is like real psychological weird stuff that
goes on yeah when i was on active duty and they
had when you had uh when you when uh uh
we had yeah and they had uh the us uh took and invaded panama
um for uh what was his name the guy with the pineapple complexion?
Noriega, right?
But, yeah, who was like the CIA's guy, you know, at one point.
But, you know, anyway, but don't ever get in bed with the U.S. on the shady side of things.
Because we'll just screw you.
Saddam was our guy, too.
You know, but anyway,
he wound up barricading himself, like, inside the Vatican embassy,
and they were running, like, I want to say ACDC and guns and roses at him.
You know, now they've got, you know, sound cannons and shit. That'll make you sick,
you know,
but,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
It's,
it's,
it's pretty bonkers.
It is pretty bonkers.
I can see,
I can see perhaps awake.
He's,
he's awake on that side of the planet.
What time is it there for you?
Lee,
it must be like,
I don't know.
It's like 30.
Yeah.
I'm about an hour.
I direct these coast,
right?
I think he's an hour ahead of me.
Have you been awake all night?
Yeah, I've been trying to make as much of the 222 as I can.
I mean, I don't do anything except play music, you know, still, you know, so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it kind of takes me back and edward can attest to this there was
um the the two well i say two the first kind of 168 hour spaces was hard to put down
you know i was i was staying up till all night listening to kind of the information coming out
um and then sort of first thing in the morning it would be the first thing i'd put on was
you know and you'd be listening to often because i'd wake up obviously my time sort of you know seven eight o'clock in
the morning or whatever and um it's often like clyde playing a recording of um of a bram's beach
back from you know berkeley or something like that so it's really cool but um yeah it's a lot
of useful information i by the way you're right about the, uh, post, um, you know, the, the, the kind of
stillness it's, it's almost a high, like, but it's a good high, you know?
Um, when you, uh, you're talking about like, uh, uh, cause I mean, I still, after all this
time, I still am, you know, get a little bit nauseous as I take the stage, you know,
until I settle in.
Um, but it's it's
and then and then it's fine i mean there are some nights where you just eat shit but it's like
you know that's better than to me the live thing is so much better than uh um than doing like
things like the uh uh the recording because then you'll just sit there and and what do they call
you the you'll fuck it you're trying to fuck a fly. Then you're trying to make something better.
That's not even going to get better.
And it's,
you're the only one that's going to hear the thing that bugs you.
Whereas like,
I hear my voice back and I'm just like,
Oh God,
I sound like an idiot.
You know,
I'm glad I just had to sing a little bit,
you know,
and not talk or carry a show,
you know,
cause yeah,
but there are people that are good.
I mean,
like Gary has the fucking gift of electronic tongues. That's for sure for sure he and he can fire me up that way you know but you know a lot of times
it's nervous energy for me but you know but so when i when i when i you know finally stop or
whatever then it's like okay that was a rush and then thank goodness now i just kind of you know
feel everything drain out of me but you, just because public speaking is not easy.
We don't do that here.
You know, I mean, we don't really do much of anything.
And now we're all, and we're so.
It's kind of a skill.
I mean, I don't know anybody that's really, truly comfortable with public speaking.
But I think if you, if you, I'd love to know how Dean does it,
because he's, you know know very good at public speaking
and he's calm and collective and thoughtful um there's there's people that you've got to be
very quick thinking to be able to do that whereas um you know someone like uh bram or vitalik or
these kind of kind of really really intelligent maybe slightly autistic kind of speakers there it
there's um there's a different way it's a very calculated you know they pause um which i think
is really brave to be able to do as well if you if you ever listen to kind of bram talking
uh and and he listens to a question he'll literally pause for an uncomfortable amount
of time in the conversation yeah to kind of think about it,
process it and then deliver it.
Which I think is really,
really kind of a,
well,
it's kind of a brave skill.
I don't know if they know they're doing it.
It makes me,
I mean,
yeah,
he's just that he's,
it's,
I don't,
it's not Asperger's or anything like that.
I mean,
it's just,
but yeah,
it's people that can,
they're almost loners
because, well,
if I brought you in,
you're going to fuck it up.
So, you know,
it's like,
I know where I'm going with this,
you know?
But yeah,
it's,
it's,
it's,
it's,
you know,
have you seen,
by the way,
like I watched
when Vitalik was on Rogan
and it's,
it's true.
I mean, yeah, he's,'s he's he's an odd cat
you know at least he's not you know tweaking out of his mind like sam bangman freed was you know
his little polycule down there but uh but um have you seen the meme by the way it's floating around
the uh it's where it's got like vitalic and he's like kind of leaning to the left, I guess to the right as you look at it and it says italic buterin.
I don't know.
I haven't.
I don't think I've said lots of him before.
It just makes me laugh for some stupid reason,
but yeah,
the italics thing.
I'm just going,
okay,
it's not that highbrowly knock it off.
But anyway,
look,
I'll let you go,
but thank you very much.
I enjoyed it.
Yeah,
no worries at all. Not a choice at all. Yeah. Go get some sleep for God's sake. That's what you need. Let's say good morning to Drac as well. It's a GM time for Drac over there. How's it going? How's it going, buddy?
You scream, Dick.
I was too late on my soundboard there. No, I'm doing good, man.
Doing good.
Good morning.
Good morning, Lee.
Good morning, Edward.
I slept pretty okay.
Good.
Hey, Drac, will you play that Sloan tune again today?
What's that?
Will you play that Sloan tune again today?
I fucking love that song.
Which one was that?
The rest of my life.
Oh, God, I love that song.
Yes, I'll play that today, dude.
All right.
There's your long-distance dedication.
I will talk to you all in a little bit.
Yeah, catch you later.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
Yeah, yeah.
How did your night go, dude?
Yeah, well, Edward held it down, doing the hard work.
Like, you know, Edward just on stage himself talking,
and then I took over.
You know, that's hard for me.
You're a king, Edward.
You're a king.
That's not easy.
The lucky quotations.
I was reading through it an hour or two ago.
I was smiling at some of the stuff I was saying.
That's awesome. We did a roast of edward last night it was hilarious yeah it was so good it was fucking hilarious oh look we've we've changed um
on the lurky front page on the 12 hour for instance uh cheer was bright red and and that
means basically it's been it's been bearish
and you can click on it and like look through spaces and see what the sentiment's been and see
who's been kind of uh either positive that must have been food yeah if you kind of click on cheer
on the 12 hour scroll down it kind of gives you like uh neutral bearish you know or bullish uh yeah and you've got
you've got half bearish it says right now yeah yeah so we're that had to be foods in us last
night it had to yeah so the that's hilarious yeah this morning but when i came on it was
bright red now it's just a pinky color so we're we're heading back in the right direction
that's hilarious oh my god yeah because we're like on the 24 hour we're like number five in green
seven day we've moved up further on the seven day as well we were
very bullish on the seven day let's have a look on the six six hour we're still bit we're bearish uh we're not very bearish we were very bearish for a while six hours yeah
six hours rough it just says bearish not very bearish look at the food oh my god i hold on i
have to take some screenshots because i've got to make a mention to foods because he will think that's hilarious he will love it he'll be like that was all me
i think uh to be fair edward uh edward contributed a little bit as well
oh did he
we've got a couple of bearish oh and a bullish from ed. Bearish, bearish, bullish, bullish. It's a mixture.
It's a mixture.
It's so good.
It's funny.
I wonder if we'll be able to stay going enough that we make the 30-day.
You know what I mean?
That's kind of what I want to see.
If we can make the 30-day, that says something.
Yeah, it does, yeah. The problem is it's keeping it in there.
When you look at kind of the stuff in front of us,
it's like bonk and pumped-up fun and, you know,
kind of all the trash that usually has been talked about.
But, yeah, I think it's like a testament to this kind of 222-hour space
that we're right up there with them all.
So I figured out for last year how we're going to make this even better.
I'm not sure if I told this to you or not.
Did I explain to you how we're going to do more hours next year?
Go on.
So this year, I didn't even really think about it until we're already in it but you know the
idea was let's do more than we've done before right that was part of it that's part of the
whole why 222 well we did 206 before so whatever um but it reminds me of the uh the days of uh what do we call it um the big the big discs the big big
um what did we call them when they before dvds they were the big huge
flatter discs you know what i'm talking about the one laser disc there that's what i'm looking for
do you remember they were the size of like records monkey but they were dvds uh before my time before my time okay so think of it think of a
think of a record player like a vinyl record yeah at one point before blu-ray and so on
we had dvds that were the same size as a record and it was because they hadn't really started
doing double density discs and stuff yet so everything was like a single platter.
So the only way you could go larger was to go wider, which meant more data.
It meant more quality, right?
So we had these big, huge discs that were like records.
That didn't last because of Blu-ray and DVDs and stuff because they learned to do double-density.
And that's what made me realize that's what we have to do with Twitter spaces every year.
We don't have to go longer amount of days.
We just need more episodes in the same day.
So if we do four hours of spaces one day, 10 hours of spaces next, like we just have to have more density.
Next year, you know, if I'm involved in it, I'll push it this way, is that we should have more events of wide variety happening all at the same time.
So there's a big hype.
It's like, man, I gotta go check what's going on in that room.
It's like, oh, I gotta check it.
Lots of guest speakers all at the same time with very focused rooms on teach-outs, topics. Like, you could have GUI totally going bananas
on some tokenomics shit while I'm over here
doing a boring teach-out on some nerdy program
fitting two completely different audiences, right?
And I think if we do that, then we can boast
thousand hours of spaces and people are going to be like,
who are these degenerates?
And then that way every year as you grow
maybe your interest
or your your volunteer base we don't have to worry about days we can just stack it all up
that's what i think we should do yeah yeah yeah i hear you yeah yeah i mean i think depending on how
kind of lurky develops and grows um i think that's going to be an important metric isn't it
kind of the the keeping within that kind of front page it's kind of going to be key for lots of
things uh well if we swarm the timeline with spaces all focused i mean if we did this every
day i mean i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm to suggest we do it every day all the time forever for another year.
Just because it's an easy way to obviously think about is if we did that, if we were on the timeline every freaking day, all day, multiple places, all kinds of great topics, you know, content and so on.
Of course, we of course, we'd get a better reach.
Of course.
But that's really hard to do.
And then you've got to be, you know, people got to be interested.
But, you know, let's think of it this way.
It's like a total blitzkrieg on Twitter's faces.
You know, it's moving fast, full on troops, spread them.
Like, I just, I'm going to maybe support a little bit of what foods was saying last night,
a little bit. I mean, I absolutely love Chia and I could give two shits about the money because
I'll work IRL and make it happen. I'm not, I mean, it matters, but it's not the end of the world.
Um, but I really do think the scenario is that CNI doesn't care about the opportunities we all see.
Do you know what I mean?
They don't care about NFT opportunities.
They don't care about, you know, the trading that's going on on Dexy for NFTs and stuff.
I think the price action of Chia is really disheartening.
It's really discouraging.
I think we've lost some really good people over it.
And I think that would, you know, be the case regardless.
But I guess to kind of round out my point is that i absolutely love chia we should
do everything we can to promote market and so on but i'm worried about putting that much effort in
and and seeing no return either from a support mechanism or just from the results standpoint
yeah yeah yeah i i think we kind of touched on this yesterday and um yeah and i'm of the same
opinion but to be fair to cni they've they came out of the blocks and they said you know we're
not we're not going to be marketing to the thousand percent retail we're not gonna we're
not gonna be um dishing out money left right and center you know like polygon or all those
you know they have
kind of said that from the start whether they will change that in the future i don't know but
obviously that depends on funding doesn't it and uh um yeah and it's always been the case that we
are we are the marketing branch of of the chia blockchain you know they're they're spending their
money uh marketing towards the big boys uh and we're kind of their
their marketing branch down below in the trenches so to speak so yeah it's always been the case uh
and thousand percent i said that last night with foods i was reiterating they don't owe us anything
they don't have the same interest as us it's a a symbiotic relationship built on mutual respect and community
effort across the board. But I was saying last night, as much as we can want to think
SAC Daddy's going to save us or, you know, someday there's going to be some Chia investment
fund or whatever the case may be, Foods was saying, well, like, what are we supposed to do?
And I simply said, you're supposed to take the opportunity that's in front of you
and make something of it in some way.
Because that's the only thing, and I wouldn't even say that they've promised it,
but that's the only thing that if you really look at the nuts and bolts
of what Gene and Bram and all of the say
CNI have given the community is I mean they've given us lots but but they're laying out in front
of everybody opportunity not because that's their intent or their goal or it's on the forefront of
their mind when they wake up in the morning but that's the byproduct of the insane work that they are doing. And it is purely up to us to take that opportunity and, A, first and foremost, recognize it.
Because if you don't recognize it, you're never going to do anything with it.
B is to be ready and prepared.
So that's everything we've been doing for the past three, four years.
for the past three four years and then and then c is that when the moment and the opportunity come
you have to be ready to say i'm gonna be the one that does it and and not because cni is
gonna hand you a bag and not because you have bram uh or gene giving you props for your idea
it's because you see the opportunity where everyone else doesn't and you're the lone fucking wolf that looks like the
weirdo because you're doing it your way and so on and so on and so on that's that's the only thing
that exists for all of us here we can call it coins we can call it sacking call it green cans
does not matter you have to be diversifying yourself in this space in a way that that does
not rely on cni in any way you might as well throw them out of your head and
go cni is never going to help me and if you do that you may be wrong because they will help
someday but at least that mentality is going to push you through the handout phase and you're
going to actually be the first out of gates running some new tech or new product or whatever
so yeah
anyway that's my rant yeah no no you're exactly right exactly right that's been my opinion from
the start you know yeah and they've never said otherwise no you're right and and to be fair
you know what i've done you know i've worked religiously and tried to promote it and what
have you and then when i did go to them and ask for some funds, I was granted it. So, you know, you've got to kind of prove yourself, haven't you?
You know, that's kind of the mentality of it all.
Just like with coding. They say they want to see the code in the GitHub. You want a job? Do the code.
Yeah.
Let's see some code.
Exactly.
Same thing. And that's, you know, and you know this, every day here is an interview.
Every day is like a job application if at any point you
expect to do like you said go in and say like i need a little help need a little funding to push
this forward they're only gonna do it if they've seen you picking up their breadcrumbs because then
they know they don't have to hold your hand they know that the show up every day and the honesty
and everything that gives them the you know something to rely on and trust it.
Like you just,
that's the only way to do it here,
guys.
In my opinion,
I could be wrong,
but the only thing you should be doing is working on your personal brands,
your brand products,
and the opportunity that's in front of you that has not been given to you,
but laid out in front.
Lee,
just jump in, bro. Yeah. You made me think about something when you're talking about like going
what did you call it the maximum density but what do you have at the stuff that replace the laser
discs so and of course you know that means that means they were able to get rid of those, the plastic,
because it was not just the size of a record, the diameter of a LP, but it was also about
twice as thick as a double album.
But, but so, somebody like me who doesn't do spaces as far as like hosting or whatever,
does that mean, I mean, like, am I stepping on somebody's toes if I just sit there and, like, who was talking the other day about watching the movie, you know, and just spinning up and, like, listening to something or, you know, and not trying to steal from anybody.
Nobody come here.
It's just study hall for me.
But, you know, I'm trying to figure out the toys or whatever.
But, you know, I mean, because I don't want to step on anybody's toes by any
millions so there's a thing that in this space i'm probably only learning this year
and it's to stop worrying about stepping on people's toes oh okay don't don't in this in this
space uh as nice as it is is a thought thought to make everyone a priority and say, I want to make my friends a priority and I don't want to step on their toes.
I don't mean this in a crass way or to put anybody down, but you're just an option like everyone else.
Nobody's waking up in the morning going, okay, what's Lee doing today?
I shouldn't step on his toes.
Nobody's fucking doing that.
Oh, you're getting my paranoia just go no i just mean like just just do you regardless
of everyone else in this space it's really easy to feel like judged and i get it dude listen i
could i hated going on spaces when i first started hate it and i still am uncomfortable with it in a
lot of ways now but i'm learning and i had the same thing it, well, I don't want to step on other people's toes.
Like, I hear gooey out here.
And then who am I to come out and talk about anything that I know?
I could sound like a freaking idiot.
And, like, who's going to listen to me?
It wasn't until I really stopped caring.
I mean, in the right ways, not caring.
And stop worrying about people stepping on people's toes.
Just do it.
Just do it.
Right on. I'm going to step on your toes, Jack, real quick. Real quick. that uh and stop worrying about people stepping on people's toes just do it just do it well
i'm gonna i'm gonna step on your toes real quick um real quick i'm gonna go start jean orange
jean orange everybody in this space much love my friends thanks for holding it down monkey zoo
i'll see you over there yeah no worries i was gonna before you before you disappear team money
i was gonna suggest on lurky right, they've got like a shows tab.
We need to try and get you on that shows tab because you do like a daily kind of space.
And it's kind of curated shows that happen every day at the same time.
So that'll be our next mission.
I'm going to bug them to try and get your show on their list.
What do I have to do to get it on there?
I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. I'm going to
hit them up on the back end
and Discord and bug them
and see what happens.
T-Money, I wonder if we should
sit down and have a little production
talk someday and figure out
is there a way that
we can do... Your show and my show we're
always back to back i don't think we have to necessarily merge them because then you know
you've got to go to school and phones and all that stuff but we should almost do them like treat them
as like segments of a of a greater something so if we just just quickly off the top of the dome
you know uh um this morning and she, right, just as a broader.
And then you had the T-Money segment, and then you had the TLDR segment.
And if we branded them together and we worked together as far as show topics,
we could either be contrasting to one another in the morning or complementary, depending on topics and so on.
contrasting to one another in the morning or complimentary depending on topics and so on
do you know what i mean and like you guys cover more memes and token stuff where i cover more ai
Do you know what I mean?
and and dev stuff i just thinking as again as the group as a whole kind of like i was saying the
other day is that i don't think this group realizes how much irl force they could have in
the business world
if more of the people in this group started organizing
and coordinating in a different mindset of teams, IRL,
venturing outside of it.
Anyway, I just think that we could probably do something that way, dude,
that would amplify the production value of both.
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Yeah, I've pinned T-Money Space
to the top. Everyone go
and merge over there and we'll
see. I need to get off today because
it's my day where I go and play
army stuff with the cadets, so I need to
jump out of it ASAP.
You heard him, folks. Get out.
Scram. Get lost.
We're going to start the space.
See you soon.
See you, T-Money to just to finalize things up over here while he gets up yeah today we
today we were blessed actually um we the kind of topic was metadata and um we were blessed we had
chunk coming um who's kind of a bit of a metadata king within the Chia ecosystem and gave us a good back and forth about kind of how metadata works,
how kind of data works across Ethereum and Chia and the differences.
And, yeah, probably have a look at Lurky after this,
and it'll give you a good write-up and an understanding.
And also, like, pinned to the top and down below in the comments,
there's a lot of good tools that i use
to kind of check metadata get uuids uh and things like that and sort of uh json formats chip 7
formats so um it's probably worth um having a look at there maybe taking some of that information and
um and using it if you're thinking about creating an nft project yourself so uh and then tomorrow
tomorrow is kind of i think we're kind of kind of put things together just a more of a general chat
and then um and then we're getting close to where we need the art finished and uh ideally by sort
of thursday slash friday we need the art finished the metadata kind of in place so we know exactly what the traits are called what the
what the information is going to be um and um yeah and we'll put it all together the aim is by
saturday to have it minted so that on sunday slash monday they'll be available to purchase
via mint garden so ambitious but we're going to do it so So and any any last words, Ice Labs, seeing as you just pop back on stage?
How's it? How's it all going? Yeah, I'm done with all the meds.
I'm starting to work on the shoes right now. I'm just taking a break.
I decided to just pop in towards the end of the space. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent.
That was the idea today. Your your time is more valuable uh uh drawing than it
is talking so uh yeah brilliant right okay let's wrap it up let's get over at t-money space and uh
appreciate edward as always coming up and chatting with us and uh and obviously lee for for coming up
and chatting as well uh ice labs to jenna popped in earlier and obviously chunk for for coming and
giving us a bit of a master class so
uh let's wrap it up today and uh we'll see you all tomorrow catch you later guys see you in the next one
