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🌱 222hr Marathon Space DataLayer
Recorded: Sept. 21, 2025 Duration: 1:19:29Space Recording
Short Summary
The DIG network is set to revolutionize digital freedom with its decentralized internet gateway, emphasizing the importance of the DIG token for economic sustainability. With a successful GitHub Sponsor Program already underway, the community's involvement is crucial for overcoming challenges and ensuring fair payouts, positioning DIG for significant growth in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We're going, we're live.
Yeah, if you guys would...
Yeah, please carry on the chat.
I was enjoying listening there.
I think it was...
Gopher fire sale takeover,
hostile takeover of Josh's
Gopher economy?
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
Time to poison pill the board
at the Gopher console and
fire sale the inventory. see steve's coming
again he can't get enough he's in for listening for a few hours come up and do some co-hosting
steve you don't need sleep yeah any uh i guess news from the last few hours in spaces?
I don't know.
I just came into foods trying to undo tons of my work.
It wasn't a...
Didn't they pull out the space at the meetup in San Francisco
and put it on the table or something?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I just saw some pictures.
I think Aster the Wizard was out there meeting Chia.
Had some cool pictures.
Yeah, I'm seeing some pics hit the timeline now.
Okay, all of a sudden, Michael Taylor's's rich and famous and he goes away from the green
lantern haircut what the fuck what the fuck that was the most based dev haircut i've ever seen in
my whole life and now he's got product in his hair undo it i won't stand for this
he looks sharp, though.
But he looked way more based when he had the bowl cut vibe going on.
That shit was like, if a dev walks into a room with that haircut,
you just pay whatever the fuck price they ask for it.
No questions asked.
Sorry, I cut out there.
I had to reconnect.
I heard you say, all of a sudden, Michael Taylor's famous, dot, dot, dot.
Yeah, all of a sudden he's famous and he has Tony Stark hair.
Last time he was in Toronto, he looked like Green Lantern.
Now he's the captain of the Dig Network or whatever, and he's got Tony Stark hair.
What the hell? I liked it way more before.
He looks good, looks happy, unacceptable.
I wonder what he'll look like when it launches finally.
Have a booth on.
Yeah, dude, he'll look like Steffi Roth.
He'll have hair down to his ankles.
Like a katana.
Maybe hippie with dreadlocks.
That would be so good, dude.
He's got the big Rastafarian beanie hat on.
With one of those giant spliffs out the corner of his mouth like Andy Cap.
That would be too good, dude.
Oh my god.
Yeah, I don't know.
Things are exciting i think uh people are
under underestimating their power again i always am just shocked at how uh how much we like sit
around and wait for things to happen to us rather than just deciding to go and make things happen
for us i feel like we're
waiting for the KOLs to show
up to tell us that Chia is a good
place to be.
Not really, though. People are
pretty locked in. It's just the timing
thing has some folks all the time
freaking out, I guess.
Too funny.
The Dignos are pretty special.
I mean, I think the data layer is the magical feather in the cap of
Chia, really.
Yeah, it seems that way sometimes.
Yeah.
I mean, if it runs the way that he's
talked about it, it really does
sound like what the decentralized
internet dream should be.
I guess, I don't know.
I hope that that's what he's thinking and will happen,
but that's kind of what,
from the way he's passionately spoken about it,
he's, I don't know, it seems like he's a real visionary.
He really has a vision and that counts for a lot,
especially if you keep going towards it.
It means it will probably happen at some point.
So, yeah, I think it's going to happen.
I will be curious to see how the economics of it hash out in the real world.
In theory, you know, they're just kind of as they are right now,
but it'll be very interesting to see where demand and supply come together in the decentralized content delivery network kind of format.
And I think one of the cool things that we don't think about in the Chia universe, but is very common in the EVM,
The other thing that I think about in the Chia universe, but is very common in the EVM, but I believe will exist soon in the Chia universe, is kind of that exotic routing liquidity. to be able to propagate data you could still have a like u.s dollar coin relationship with
getting the paying the exposure to have the fee paid to whoever's actually providing the service
like you could swap xeh or you could swap usdc or you could swap you know uh uh bytecash or you could swap bitcoin and have it seamlessly converted into the
amount of dig necessary to access or to provide the service so um it'll be curious to see
how the how the economy actually shakes out in reality
how the economy actually shakes out in reality.
Yeah, I still haven't quite figured out how the
dig token equates to
like storage. I know he said it's, I think he said one dig is 0.1 megabytes.
So does that mean that you put one dig up there and then you can basically put
a hundred kilobyte JPEG up and it's there forever? Or does it mean that you put one dig up there and then you can basically put a hundred kilobyte jpeg up and
it's there forever or does it mean that the dig then gets distributed to whoever mirrors it
or is that part of the same thing do you do you know how it works oh um i'm not sure about the
specifics there it's i yeah i believe the bigger the storage need the higher the quantity of dig that needs to be staked.
Or is it burnt?
Maybe it's staked.
Yeah, see, I don't know.
I'd have to catch up on that.
I can go to the docs and read.
I don't know if he has all of that in the most recent docs, but...
Yeah, it's a little weird.
It's a little bit of an interesting concept.
Let's dig network.
Here we go.
White paper. Economics. Token economics. So those are two different services. One is the required collateral for storage registration. The other is the required collateral for storage registration.
The other is the required collateral for storage registration.
The other is the required collateral for storage registration. The other is a naming service for readable domains.
Capsule stake coin collateral per capsule economic commitment. Let's read about that.
A Capsule Stake Coin is an on-chain advertisement that enables data owners to announce the availability of DIG network capsules for hosting.
Each Capsule Stake Coin represents a single capsule and includes cryptographic proofs of size, collateral commitment, and hosting terms. Here's what we're going to do, Edward.
We're going to take all of the DIG node docs, and we're going to put it in Chagibity, and then we're going to ask down-to-earth sensible questions
because I felt like I just read a lot of words
and didn't understand a goddamn thing I was reading.
Can you ask me,
what's the most suitable type of Rastafarian hat
for someone who has created a piece of software like this?
Yes, dude. I absolutely can.
Oh no, internal error from the site.
Man, whenever we have docs that are not AI legible, It's a nightmare.
Let's see if we can do...
I feel I should sing a lullaby for Mr. Steve's step
after that heroic hosting.
Yeah, what a beast.
What a gentleman.
Oh, man.
I am so glad we have AI so I can just make this Jarvis's problem.
We'll ask the right prompted questions, but we are not about to read these docs tonight, baby.
I've read them before, and I remember thinking, I'll wait until someone explains it to me.
But now we can just do it here.
All right.
We have all of the important economics tabs in.
Let's just say... All right, that should be a one shot to get us what we need to know. Okay, so there are slashing negative externalities for not serving data.
That's interesting.
Okay, so the process of data propagation.
Publisher uploads content.
uploads content. That means that they have to register a human-readable handle, like
That means that they have to register a human-readable handle,
chiamusic.dig, and wrap their content in a capsule. They put up dig tokens as collateral
for that capsule. That signals skin in the game. Storage providers, nodes, accept capsules,
nodes who want to earn rewards,
stake dig to be able or to be eligible to store capsules.
So if you want your data uploaded,
you have to stake dig or you have to put up the dig as collateral.
have to put up the dig as collateral doesn't say stake it says you have to put it up as collateral
It doesn't say stake.
It says you have to put it up as collateral.
um if you want to
earn rewards you stake dig to be eligible to store capsules so you have to have dig and then you have to stake it so that you can take on the
content that you're going to mirror for the person that delivered it they're incentivized to keep
data available and performant witness validators check the storage. Validators audit whether the nodes are actually serving the data.
If yes, rewards are released.
If no, stake can be slashed slash lost.
Users request content.
When someone visits a site or queries the data, the closest slash fastest node serves it like a CDN edge.
This reduces latency and distributes load across the
network. So this is how it's sustained slash paid for collateral and staking publishers and storage
providers lock up dig to participate. So that's kind of where I didn't understand it before.
There's two sides of the propagation and both both of them are locking up DIG.
One locks up DIG just to be able to upload their content.
Other people lock up DIG to have the right to provide the content.
Protocol streams DIG rewards from its 15-year emission schedule to storage providers and validators who prove work.
Handle fees.
Publishers pay DIG for registering and renewing handles.
So basically, there's an internal economy for your domain name.
Network bribes.
Extra DIG can be paid to prioritize or optimize performance.
So that's kind of like a DAO for availability of data.
Did I get that right?
That in order to earn dig rewards, you have to put DIG up yourself first.
Yes.
Well, yes, because you're going to put up a stake of DIG to be eligible to take a capsule into your node,
a capsule of content that you're going to host in your DIG node that might get served if you're the closest or fastest provider of the content when a user tries
to access it but yes they do have to put up a stake to be able to take in those capsules
then if they're the one that delivers the content they earn dig if they get checked and they're not actively serving the content and or someone
requests it from them and they are unable to propagate their stake could be slashed or cut
is what it sounds like what if electricity went off worldwide could Could they just say, well, it wasn't served, you've lost it?
I don't know the specifics.
I don't know how fast, how raw...
And I can ask, because I don't know if it's in the docs or not.
I asked for some really high-level shit first,
so that we could get our heads around it a little bit.
But yeah, we'll see, because I don't know what the progression is of...
Do you get a slash, slash, slash, then cut? Is it like three strikes, you're out? Or is it based on how much the value of the content is worth or something? I don't know. Let's see this. Incentives. Why each actor participates.
Publishers. Get a decentralized, censorship-resistant content delivery network for their content with better discoverability via handles.
Their collateral shows commitment.
Storage providers earn dig rewards for reliably storing and serving content.
Their stake aligns them with good behavior. about it some but i would be very curious to know how the uh honesty of validators and witnesses
is confirmed um token holders benefit from supply logs plus demand for dig okay supply chain analogy
i always use supply chain making make sense raw material content capsules that's the data goods
blockchain making makes sense raw material content capsules that's the data goods and
there's publishers who create and collateralize those goods storage nodes who stake and physically
hold the goods witness validators who certify the goods are intact end users requesting dig tokens which grease all of the steps so let's ask
see if this comes up with anything anything.
I don't think that we're going to be able to get that, but we'll see.
I don't know if there are specifics yet on those kinds of economics with respect to the slashing and stuff,
so that might still be in the theoretical stage.
It's a big question to ask Michael, I guess.
Yep. Yep, it's a big question to ask Michael, I guess. Yep.
Yep, it's a big one for sure.
The other thing that I would love to ask him about,
because I know he's put more thought into it than me,
is does he believe negative incentives are mandatory?
believe negative incentives are mandatory. Is there any other way to imagine the process without
negative incentives? Because slashing is a reason to not participate in a thing,
you know? So it'd be interesting to know if there's a way to align the behaviors without
negative reinforcement being a kind of like push to a positive health status.
Yeah, I agree with that completely. It's like if you go to a house party and they say,
you welcome in, but don't touch the ice cream. It's like, oh, I feel like I'm a little bit in a prison.
But realistically, I wouldn't have taken it anyway.
So sometimes just hearing it.
But this is not just hearing it.
There is a potential risk to people.
I would almost wonder if there's a time-oriented benefit that could be weighed.
Because are we supposed to believe that say that we had wikipedia okay and you want the wikipedia page for chia to be there 30 years from
now if you have dig nodes that provide the you know storage and the propagation for years and years and years
are they more or less valuable than people that pop in pop out on data that's only requested
for 10 days 20 days 30 days is there a way to maybe, I don't know, it's probably not enough of a benefit and not enough of a proportion of the amount of data that'll be served to make it attractive enough. to talk to him about the reasons behind the designs
as he considers them right now
and might help us better understand the ecosystem.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But I know a lot of it's changing.
Sorry, I missed that.
I was just saying, I know a lot of it's changing
or is currently being built,
so maybe he just doesn't have the answers yet,
but they could come soon.
Yeah, plus obviously the open source era,
I presume it'll be open source.
I always presume things like this will be,
but I guess I'm not even sure of that.
But if it is open source,
then anyone could do anything with it anyway.
So even, you know, if someone wanted to do a non-negative incentive version, I mean, I presume they'd be able to try at least, although that's a presumption on my behalf.
You know, that is a very interesting aspect of it i could totally understand him not open sourcing it but that would
also maybe be a massive trust me bro as far as the encrypted data um trust system of like the
nodes don't see the content and stuff you if he just told you like, no, trust me, I wrote it in such a clever way.
It's like, okay, but I don't know that, you know?
So I would think maybe it's going to be open source.
I haven't heard whether or not he's addressed that.
That's a strong argument for it being open source.
If it's not, then yeah, for that reason,
I had not thought of that.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
Trusting someone that it will definitely be encrypted
is different to seeing that it's definitely
encrypted somehow
so yeah I don't even
know how you'd know it was completely
encrypted what does anyone
know actually that's a good question for the audience
does anyone know how do you know if something's
really encrypted do you just
see it in the software like is there an encryption box that
a regular coder could sort of be sure that it's
doing the job
we're gonna have to we're gonna have to get him in one of the
marathon spaces and just talk all things dig node
because i've heard him allude to the different designs he used
to compartmentalize the different parties so that they're able to do their job without being able to
see things that are not designed for them to see but we would need him to break it down that's that's
part of the fun of being in this community is it's like let's go ask ai and
as ai is like go ask michael taylor he's the only one that knows yeah when i've heard him speak
about it he's done a couple of speeches that the voice tony had was he really believes in it like
you can tell a lot from someone's voice and he was not just saying this is the data storage
delivery thing he was saying this will be the, it was almost like JFK or something
when he was doing the speeches back in the day.
We will put a man on the moon.
So Michael Taylor really got the right idea.
I'm sure of that.
And so that's what I'm really focusing on.
I've actually got a speech of him.
I'll find it in a bit, but he's a really good speaker.
The last time I heard him, it was probably over a year ago.
So I don't know if he doesn't do more spaces because he doesn't want to
or he's building up anticipation.
It's working, that's for sure.
I'm sure he's just been building.
I mean, between Silicon and Dig Network, you know, I'm sure he's swamped.
He's probably just head down until he gets it to a place that makes sense to come up for.
Yeah.
I really hope when he signed with Silicon that basically he'd be building this full time and doing that sort of as a side gig. But I guess he had to do that because he was,
there was no funding available for it.
So he basically had to get a job and fortunately that worked out.
So it would have been so much better if they just paid him to work on it
full-time. That's what I would have done if I had that.
I don't know if you were in the space at all.
I think it was last night even, but it just comes down things, you know, I mean, that's, I don't know if you were in the space at all. I think it was last night even, like it makes a lot of sense
if data layer is gonna be a multi-year build,
but Silicon has legs right now.
It's like build where you can be compensated
and keep working towards your long-term vision.
And then as resources improve, cause the idea is that things will become more abundant on you,
then you're going to have the ability to bring that stuff in.
So survive in advance and then make it happen when the abundance comes.
But yeah, I'm with you.
It would be nice to have just cut him the check or whatever. but when you have to ask yourself, well, why didn't they? It's like reasons, whatever the prioritizations are. So I guess it makes sense to me that he would work with what Silicon has to offer in the present.
what silicon has to offer in the present yeah and there's overlap there as well of course
it's just silicon sort of took in a sense dylan and michael from the spaces that's a little bit
disappointing just for no other reason than they're really engaging spaces personalities
probably the best two yeah that's that's fair you know it's like you lose the alpha spaces.
Yeah, and also the Dylan Rose story, the hardware guy.
I thought that was a fascinating story because he was like,
I won't say the one, but the main Chia sort of software person,
let's say, who was more interested in the hardware side.
And he was developing that AI headband thing
that meant you didn't have to take a mobile phone to concerts for music.
And I was like, well, that's liberated the hands from it,
but you can still record, so that sounds great.
And he dropped that to work on Evergreen Minor, I guess.
And so he had a really interesting story,
and he was an engaging personality, and he was a great singer,
and still is, I guess.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I did not know about the singing part.
Oh, God. So talented.
Actually, it's on the first
Gia Music album, the Gold Edition.
I think it's like track seven or something.
Embrace the Wildness,
it's cool. He wrote like track seven or something embrace the wildness it's cool he
wrote it himself super cool that's amazing dude yeah i'll have to check that out
okay i've got this speech here let's see if it works so this was michael taylor
seven minutes long he did it in a Twitter space.
It was just over a year ago, I think.
And in the space was Monkeezoo was hosting.
It was Rigidity, Fiz Per Wiz.
That's Ken Griggs.
Michael Taylor came up as a guest.
Josh Painter, Yaku Hita.
And this is it.
Let's see if it plays.
Oh, the sound's off.
Turn the amp on.
Get back.
Get ready for it. Eh, eh, eh. Oh, the sounds off, turn the amp on. Just so a lot of people are putting together like tweet by tweet.
And I just wanted to take the chance to just put it all together in one place.
I keep saying that I'm going to have this white paper out and I just kind of realize it but it's better to do more like a world white paper so at least
I can get the information out there and you know get some people thinking about
this. And the way that I wanted to approach today's call is I do have kind of like a 10 minute prepared remarks I wanted to
make to just kind of go through everything I wanted to say. It is written down to sound like
I'm reading off of a paper. It's because I am. I just want to make sure I didn't forget any
important points. So if I can hold your attention for roughly about 10 minutes,
then I'm going to kind of open it up to the floor for discussion.
Does that sound good for everybody?
Sounds good to me.
Yeah, go for it.
I think, you know, you've got a lot of information.
You don't need your choice.
I mean, if you go for it, we's call is to talk about the DIG network.
DIG is the name for Decentralized Internet Gateway.
And I'm going to start by talking about what it is, where it's going, and some challenges that I need the community to help
to solve. So let me start by painting a picture of what the DIG network needs to achieve. In a world
of increasingly dominate, and we're increasingly dominated by centralized entities that control
and monitor our digital lives, DIG stands as a beacon of hope.
It offers a platform where free speech is protected in its purest form
and where individuals have complete sovereignty over their digital data
and their digital lives.
DIG is not just another blockchain project or decentralized application.
It is a bold vision for the future of digital freedom and data science.
Our end game for DIG is nothing short of revolutionary.
Imagine a world where your digital data is yours alone.
Free from the control of centralized overseers,
DIG aims to make this reality
by building the ultimate weapon to protect free speech.
Not as a feel-good promise, but as a tangible enforceable reality.
To achieve this, DEG is designed to be a pure, pure, pure protocol that operates independently
of any single controlling entity.
This isn't just another DAO with governance tokens and voting mechanisms.
Instead, DIG embodies the true spirit of a decentralized autonomous organization, a loosely coupled group of peers communicating seamlessly to form a system that is greater than the sum of its parts. This ensures that no single entity can control or manipulate the network, preserving the
integrity and freedom that DIG stands for.
What sets DIG apart from other projects is the
The revolution will not keep deposits that slowly
fell in bed because the revolution will not be monitored.
Unlike many projects that have been
The revolution will not do that increase the election. The revolution will not be monitored. The revolution will not do that.
The revolution will not enroll incentives.
The revolution will not be marked as an advisor.
The revolution will not be marketed as an advisor.
The revolution will not be marketed as an advisor.
The revolution will not be marketed as an advisor.
The revolution will not be marketed as an advisor.
The revolution will not be marketed as an advisor.
The revolution will not issue preferred stock because the revolution will not be monitored.
The revolution will not have board meetings.
The revolution will not be recommended by the app store. The revolution will not have board meetings. The revolution will
not be recommended by the app store. The revolution will not become pre-configured on your iPhone.
The revolution will not be featured on TechCrunch and SNBC. The revolution will not offer stock
options because the revolution will not be monetized. The revolution will not appear
in keyword options. The revolution will not hire a CSO, CMO, and VP of Finance. The revolution will not appear in keyword options. The revolution will not hire a CSO, CMO, and VP of Finance.
The revolution will not ship with a toolbar.
The revolution will not have a Salesforce account.
The revolution will not feature pre-roll ads because the revolution will not be monetized.
The revolution will not have a $100 CPM.
The revolution will not give you mining rewards.
The revolution will not have A, B, and C ranks.
The revolution will not have a $50 million valuation. The revolution will not be sponsored
by Sequoia, Kleiner-Perkins, and NEA because the revolution will not be monetized. The
revolution will not be 30% off if you pay for a year in advance. The revolution will
not cost $50 with a contract extension. The revolution will not be 50% off from group up.
The revolution will not get a 409A valuation.
The revolution will not ship free with Amazon Prime
because the revolution will not be monetized.
The revolution will not have a profit and loss statement.
The revolution will not be the subject
of Harvard Business Review case study.
The revolution will not have executive offsets.
The revolution will not hire management consultants to write an annual plan. The revolution will not have
IAB ad units because the revolution will not be monetized. The revolution will not be analyzed
by Mary Beaker and Jim Collins. The revolution will not do a mezzanine round. The revolution
will not be underrated by Goldman Sachs. The revolution will not do any mergers and acquisitions.
The revolution will not have a trillion dollar market cap because the revolution will not
be monetized.
The revolution will not be monetized, will not be monetized.
The revolution will not make you rich because the revolution will be free. So that was
Michael's speech and then it cut to
Bram doing a piece of poetry
a few years ago
And then Bram raised
$650 million from A16C
The revolution the revolution will not
I don't say it
it's too easy
the Silicon Valley guys are always the best
revolutionaries because they
live in fantasy land
Yeah
Going back to poor Michael whose speech I guess I cut off halfway through I've got the full video
I'll finish it off, but it just sounds in his voice where he really believes in it and
That really resonated with me and that was I guess just a year ago and that's
Shortly before I guess he started working for Silicon.
So the way he's talking about it there is like what's coming out now with the Dig Nose and the Dig Token.
Because he's not talked about it for quite a few months.
You forget the passion that he had or still has, I guess.
And so I think it's good to hear it there.
I forgot how passionate he was.
There was a couple of moments when he was like,
this will truly be revolutionary.
He sort of took a deep breath before saying it.
He really thought, you know, there was tension in his voice,
which means that he really believed it.
So, yeah, exciting.
And I do too.
I've been a big fan of the, you know,
data layer and Dig Network from the origins of him talking about it.
It's something that I hope he continues to stick with, and I hope that the resources find him.
Because to your point about is it open source and stuff, I guess hopefully it will be, so that hopefully everyone can copy it and everyone can compete, but it would be difficult to dislodge kind of a first mover and a source of support that already has been fostered in the community.
So it'll be interesting to follow.
Yeah, those dig tokens will be pretty damn valuable if it takes off like it sounds like it could i he's put me on the i'm getting five
so i'm really incentivized to promote it as much as i can so i even just from a selfish point of
view financially if it dig dig token goes up in value it will help me a lot so uh and i know he's
given some out to i think you're one of the the i'm not sure what you'd say, the chosen few or the selected promoters, however you phrase it, but I think you're one of the people.
Think bullish was too.
So I like the way that he's thought of incentives a lot, and that's really important.
So I want it to succeed just for that reason.
So I'm going to do my best.
And then that DIG token is central to it, I guess.
Oh, yeah.
Well, the Tang Gang is going to have all of our dApps
and all of our front ends hosted on DIG Network for sure.
So that's one of the small gestures that I can pay him back with.
But I'll definitely be
evangelizing dick network long into the future
I feel bad that I cut his speech off.
I think it's in a different folder.
All good, dude.
I thought you were maybe sampling a second soundbite
to get ready after his speech or whatever,
and I was like, oh no, Edward Edward we're in an echo chamber of two voices
yeah it just resonated with me
because Bram did that speech
poetry like years ago and
the revolution will not be monetized
and it's
you know I think it's obviously a key
point and that was years before I guess
Chia started or around when it started
because what Michael's doing is like similar
sort of thing I've got the rest of it it seems I'll just go back two minutes
here we go this ensures that no single entity control manipulate the network preserving the
integrity and freedom that dig stands for sets DIG apart from other projects is the unwavering commitment to build the purest public good imaginable.
Unlike many projects that have been co-opted by venture capitalists, DIG remains untouched by large backers.
Instead, it has been nurtured by the generosity and dedication of the Chia community.
Instead, it has been nurtured by the generosity and dedication of the Chia community.
This ensures that the economic benefits of Digg flow directly to the people and not to
a centralized entity.
I want to highlight a critical point.
Digg is built as a system that was not driven by profit motives of developers or large investors.
This commitment was demonstrated when I declined funding from the venture capitalists on the megadeth blockchain. By refusing large backers that could compromise
the goals, I maintained the integrity and vision of Digg. As Digg matures and gains
adoption, I anticipate an economic impact on the billions. However, these billions were
flew to the people and not to a central entity, not even to me.
I expect high value businesses to be built on top of this protocol, further strengthening
the power of reaching the DIG network.
So now I would like to dive into some high level architecture of DIG.
DIG's design is inspired by the innovative G&Dee data layer, but I've taken it a step
further.
Go from the ground up, DIG leverages the strengths of Rust and TypeScript to create a system
that is both powerful and adaptable.
The blockchain driver written in Rust handles computational intensive tasks with exceptional
efficiency, and Rust's performance and safety
make it the perfect choice for these critical components. On the other hand, TypeScript
facilitates rapid development and taps into a wide pool of developers, allowing DIG to iterate
quickly without accumulating technical debt. This combination ensures that DIG remains both robust and flexible and capable of evolving
to the needs of its users.
A key aspect of the DIG architecture is that DIG does not reuse any of the Chia DIG or
later code.
Instead, it is a completely new implementation.
Built from scratch to meet unique demands of the network, this allows us to incorporate
scaling improvements that are essential for DIGG to function effectively.
One of the most significant innovations of DIGG and Chia Data Layer is the ability for
untrusted peers to become reliable mirrors of data. Traditionally, having a trusted mirror
requires a relationship between the data owner and the provider ensuring that the data remains
untampered. This creates vulnerabilities especially when data publishers take
take down instances as it leads a paper trail that can be exploited to shut down
each mirror. Additionally this affects the scale of how many mirrors for a data
set are feasible as only the high value data will be mirrored across the world.
DIG revolutionizes this by allowing anonymous peers to become mirrors without needing to
know who published the data and who serves it.
This anonymity and trustless nature make it incredibly difficult to shut down the network.
As peers can pop in and out of existence seamlessly and the content maintains
available unearthly. The system uses Merkle trees to encode data, allowing any piece of
data to be verified against its root hash and stored in blockchain. This ensures the data
integrity without requiring a trusted relationship between peers. I do want to give a special mention to Ken Griggs, whose invention of the data layer
Merkle Tree system forms the foundation of the data integrity approach. His work has been
instrumentally enabling us to create a secure and verifiable data storage and delivery mechanism
that underpins the entire DIG network.
Moreover, DIG enables a centralized front ends by encoding static web applications into
the Merkle trees.
This means that the front ends can be served by a network of anonymous peers, making them
highly resilient and difficult to shut down.
The incentive structure of DIG ensures that if a peer shuts down,
another peer will step in to take its place, maintaining the availability and integrity
of the data. This is the ultimate and unstoppable killer app for DeFi applications and can make
them unregulatable. I believe that a combination of Rust and TypeScript is an excellent way to develop cheat applications
by placing the computational intensive logic in Rust binaries and doing business logic
with TypeScript.
We're achieving rapid iteration without the drawbacks and slowness where TypeScript is
not appropriate.
This stuff feels very natural, especially when the proper separation of concerns is maintained.
If something appears slow in Node.js and is determined that Node is a bad fit for the behavior,
it can be moved to Rust without incurring significant type.
Additionally, TypeScript is a wide developer pool to tap into, ensuring that we can scale our development after this meeting.
I want to thank both Yacogito and Rigidity for their guidance and mentorship on Chia
Russ's anti-screting.
I could not have gotten DIG to where it is today without them.
So to talk about the components of the DIG network, to make a decentralized CDM possible,
the DIG network comprises us.
Just pause it.
There's about 12 minutes left.
Should I keep it rolling or pause it at that part?
I've enjoyed it. I don't mind listening to more of it.
I'm cooking late night snacks and listening.
The Dig SDK.
This includes all the functions needed to interact with the data stores on the QIA platform.
The data into Merkle Trees can become a peer-on-one network,
and query the network for data.
Any project built on TypeScript can import this as an NPM package
to interact with the network, its data and its peers.
The propagation server handles the syncing of the Merkle trees across
peers and manages the upload protocol in a similar manner to Git. It allows new data
and trees to be easily pushed to a propagation server, making them available for synchronization
worldwide. The content server maps requests to data stores and serves the data in the
browser. This ensures that the data is readily available for consumption within the application within the browser and applications there's the dig cli tool which is
modeled after the git the cli tool allows users to encode data into merkle trees and
push it push it into propagation servers major difference between dig and the
data layer is that dig separates merkle tree management from the main client.
DIGG does not require anything to be run in the background to manage Merkle trees.
It's a simple tool that's running the CLI.
The incentive server is a temporary server designed to create incentive programs and
challenge peers for proofs that they are indeed serving the data as promised.
Currently, it performs a proof of retrievability,
but we plan to implement various types of other proofs
to ensure that peers fulfill their responsibilities.
If a peer passes all the challenges
that are awarded and sent it for that round,
which currently lasts about 10 minutes,
but could change in the future.
We are actively seeking an on-chain solution
to replace this incentive server, reducing
the reliance on what is turning out to be unreliable and update for payment.
And finally, the server coin, which acts as a one chain registry for which peer is serving
which data store.
The DIG network functions as a federated database of databases where peers only serve the data
that they choose to. Each server
point is valid for a single epoch seven days from Tuesday to Monday. This ensures that
a peer goes offline and then automatically forgets about acting as a form of garbage
collection for a valid peers. Additionally, creating a server point requires a lockout
with certain threshold of funds, making spam attacks expensive while keeping the system secure.
So to talk about the Alpha program that's going on right now, our Alpha program has
been an incredible journey of learning and growth.
And for everyone here, I extend my deepest gratitude to the GIA community for their participation
and valuable feedback.
Also, special thanks to TRAC for educating me on technologies such as GunJS and WebRTC,
which are potential candidates for stopping some NAT traversal challenges.
Through this phase, we've identified and addressed numerous bugs, enhanced systems of stability,
and refined our incentive structures.
The enthusiasm and dedication shown by the community has reinforced my belief that DIG is posed for success. One of the key takeaways from the Alpha program is the power of incentives and
create a robust and stable network. By unlocking an economy that monetizes XCH, Dakin not only benefits its users,
but also strengthens the entire Chia ecosystem.
This incentive structure promises
in economic impact in the buildings
flowing through the Chia blockchain.
Despite being the primary developer
working on full time on this project,
the community's involvement has been crucial.
Your feedback, even the smallest suggestions,
has been instrumental in driving improvements.
The activity log, the commit log on GitHub
is a testament to the collaborative effort
and vibrant development that's happening behind the scenes.
So to display all the progress, we
face two major challenges that require the collective expertise
of our community to overcome.
The first one is NAT transversal.
Most potential dig node operators encounter difficulties with NAT transversal, which hampers
widespread participation.
Requiring port openings is a significant barrier, probably preventing
about 80% of potential node operators from joining. We need a reliable, decentralized
solution that doesn't rely on a centralized infrastructure. Potential candidates include
Gun.js and WebRTC. With CHI's rich history of BitTurrent and the expertise within our
community, I believe
we can identify an effective solution.
Overcoming this challenge is crucial for achieving widespread adoption or to function as a truly
decentralized network.
And then the second big one is the payment mechanism.
Currently, our payment model relies on trust, a trust-me-bro approach, which is neither
sustainable nor secure.
Store sponsors can announce one chain or elsewhere that they will pay for propagation, a model
that is proven to be highly efficient.
But there's nothing forcing them to actually follow through, and this opens the door to
abuse and inconsistencies,
especially if store sponsors struggle to maintain their incentive service.
We need a robust, on-chain mechanism that ensures guaranteed and provably fair payouts to peers.
This involves an escrow system where store sponsors must lock funds in an escrow as proof of guarantee of payment of peers.
A proof of service, developing mechanisms to prove that peers have fulfilled their responsibilities throughout the epoch,
and payment unlocking, establishing a way to unlock payments based on these proofs. I envision leveraging the new Oracle functionality
in CHIP 35 to create a fair and transparent payment system.
CHIP 35 enforces a fee to the Oracle maintainer
every time it's used within a puzzle.
So the monetization scheme is already built in.
If we can establish an Oracle market
for stores that are incentivized and use these Oracle's unlock payments in a clearly fair
manner, we have a strong solution to this problem. However, I invoke into any innovative solutions
that achieve these goals. The solution will likely be multifaceted, potentially acquiring specialized utilities.
The community's creativity and expertise can help us develop a robust and sustainable payment
mechanism.
So here's my call to action.
The DIG network stands at the brink of something extraordinary.
Together, we have the opportunity to build a decentralized network
that champions free speech, to get its sovereignty and unstoppable innovation. To move beyond
the Alpha phase and achieve this vision, we need your expertise, creativity, and passion.
I'm asking your help and the community's help to help me collaborate on solutions, help me tackle the
natural reversal and payment mechanism problems with innovative ideas. If possible, help contribute
to develop, spread the word, or finally become a sponsor. As I've shared with you today, the DIG Network thrives without the support of large backers.
I have personally invested a significant portion of my own funds to bring DIG where it is now.
To sustain and accelerate our development, I recently launched the GitHub Sponsor Program,
and I'm excited to announce that we've reached 21% of our initial goal of $2,000 per month and we have 14 amazing sponsors.
The funds are crucial and they will help us offer bounties, hire talented community developers
and support various initiatives to drive these fruit.
The contributions no matter the size are invaluable in helping us overcome the challenges and
unlock TX's full potential.
And by supporting the DigHub sponsor program, you're not just wanting to develop it,
but you're investing in a future where the digital data software to increase speech
are protected from everybody.
Together, we can build a decentralized network of stances of freedom and resilience in the
digital age.
And if you're able to contribute, your support will make a profound difference in achieving
this shared vision.
Overall, the involvement of UNR community is crucial.
Whether you're a developer or community member or someone passionate about digital freedom,
there's a place for you to take in.
Together we can overcome these last couple challenges and unlock the full potential for
DIG.
Imagine a future where digital data is
decentralized secure and sovereign. A future where free speech is
protected by an unstoppable network and where individuals have complete control
over their digital lives. When data is free society becomes more equitable,
stable and free. DIG is not just a project, it's a movement towards a freer
more equitable digital future.
By collaborating and pulling our expertise, we can turn this vision into reality.
In closing, I want to emphasize that DIG is built in as the purest public good,
free from the constraints of profit-driven motives. Its success hinges on the collective
effort and dedication of our community and I'm
deeply grateful for your support so far. And I'm excited about the possibilities that lie ahead.
Thank you for your time, your dedication, and your belief in the power of decentralized technology.
So now I'd like to open up the floor for questions, feedbacks, your insights, your spiritual as we navigate these final challenges.
Let's discuss how we can bring the network to its full potential.
Michael, what's your favorite Rastafari hat?
And here on the stage is the man who was there when this moment happened, Monkey Zoo.
What was it like to be there when he gave that speech on October the 11th, 2024?
Hey, GM, Edward and Gooey, if you're still awake.
Yeah, it was great.
It was great.
The whole, I'll tell you what,
the whole Toronto experience was pretty, pretty cool.
You know, I didn't know what to expect.
I flew halfway across the world
to go and go to it and um everybody who got up on the stage there delivered you know starting from
like right at the start when we had yak and um and andreas talking um i think i think we had uh
michael towards towards the sort of tail end but it was it was great you know it's um it's one of
those moments
those inspirational moments where you think well this is this is something different this is uh
this is what we're all here we're all here for this because um you know it has the potential to
change lots of things doesn't it yeah for sure the first time he did it was on your you did a
twitter space last year and so i don't know about the speech in toronto because i wasn't there but this was the recording of the twitter space so your
voice was actually on it at the start but i guess you were okay okay oh well i didn't even realize
it was um he sounds the same when he delivers a speech shall we say perhaps he did the
same speech in toronto as well but yeah it was i remember listening to it and i was blown away i was
like wow and without your space running it wouldn't have happened because it's like sometimes you're
just in the mood to say and he said it and you if you hadn't done that space it wouldn't have happened
so thanks to you really yeah well yeah it's um it's kind of, you know, it's all Michael at the end of the day.
You know, the guy's got, there's different levels of kind of vision, isn't there?
And Michael's certainly got one of these visions that are much, much bigger than most people can see.
And I think if you can even get a glimpse really of
what he's trying to achieve then then you'll have an understanding that it's this is big this is
big you know it's potentially it's potentially kind of going to sort of decentralize the internet so
it's just um and and he's got the capability of doing it which is which is brilliant so we'll
see we'll see where it goes but i'm But I'm just looking forward to playing around with my dig tokens
and utilizing as much as I can of that technology
within the Monkey Zoo project.
And, yeah, it's going to be huge.
It's going to be big.
Good to speak to you, Monkey.
It's been a while.
I miss you. The Sundayay space i loved it but it's not it's not hard to
not easy to do them all the time i i sometimes felt burnt out myself but
i i love seeing your picture jump up and hearing your reassuring voice
yeah yeah the uh the sunday space i'll probably bring it back i i just like you say you do get
burnt out by things uh and i certainly had like probably i don't know six to eight months ago
probably had a bit of a burnout with it all and uh and just needed to take a little step back a bit
and while while the devs were devving on the monkey zoo side of things i just kind of reduced things back a little bit and just uh uh spent a bit more time with the family and
with the dog and stuff and uh um but yeah i do i did enjoy doing the spaces and i know probably
i'll probably start them back up at some point i think i think things like this is really cool like um so i'm planning to kick off my first space of kind of my marathon
really the the 222 marathon in about 15 minutes my my plan is to kind of take uh go from a journey
from conception to mint and either distribution of a complete nft project over the next kind of nine
days whatever eight or nine days um so if anyone wants to obviously i realize that it's kind of
3 4 a.m for most people in the us but there might be some some some people in the world that can
that can join in and uh have a bit of fun with it so yeah the idea is to kind of go through the
process of my thinking i haven't i haven't really thought about too much i'm literally going to open
the space in about 15 minutes and start brainstorming something whether it's around the 2-2-2
space whether it's like uh uh maybe a free distribution to everyone that's taken part i don't know i don't know uh i'm not
quite sure what to do so i'm just going to go from start to finish the plan is to kind of spend today
brainstorming um the next day kind of starting to work on artworks for a couple of days then
it's the metadata then it's kind of um putting it all together making sure it's all uploaded to our
weave or wherever and um and then
just just distributing it all putting out for sale and maybe earning some money for for a 222 marathon
kind of vault safe thing for for next year's kind of um prep work or something i don't know i don't
know the idea is to brainwave and and see what we can come up with hopefully there'll be a few
people in the room or who wants to come up and talk or even just leave some comments down below to um
to to see what we can come up with and see if we can create something pretty cool over over the
next few days that's the that's the plan anyway so uh yeah i think shall i drop my shall i drop my space thing in the top here just in case it's uh
or let's have a look did i did i created a space i think i created a post
there we go there we go let me pin up in the space at the top here
and copy the link there we go yeah so how's the how did the kind of night go for everybody
uh obviously it's now my morning it's probably still your night time for most people but how's
it has been going uh yeah good i the thing i think stood out to me most was foods did a
space he's kind of came in heavy he's been out of spaces for a bit, but he came in heavy. And then someone said that they were playing the space at the,
not Toronto, the San Francisco meetup.
And Bradbury were there.
I don't know if they heard what food said,
but it would have been an awkward few minutes,
but I thought that was quite novel.
Gooey, what's your take of the evening?
It's been a blast.
I got to pass out, though, because it's late,
and I just finished making my beans and toast in honor of Monkey Zoo being here.
So I'm going to wash it down with some tea and crumpets and call it a night.
Yeah, good on you.
I'm going to – yeah, I'll take over.
I think, like, i'm doing the honorable
thing and taking like the 3 a.m slot which which to me is only 9 a.m but hey i'm i'm taking one
for the team i'll take it i think it's me then t money kind of kicks off the early morning one
for you guys and then we're back in it so yeah yeah good good to hear everyone's
voice but i'm gonna i'm gonna nip off i've pinned the uh space to the top there and i've posted it
down below there if anyone wants to come across feel free to come across um and um yeah we'll have
some fun for the week we'll do some some early early middle of the the night NFT creation and minting and I'll probably document
the whole kind of process so that others
can kind of follow it.
But yeah, right, I'll jump down on Edward
and I'll hopefully see you in a bit.
Yeah, see you in a few minutes.
Nice, so 15 minutes from now, what's that?
10 minutes from now, Monkeys is doing his
Create a Project Space for Space. So he's gonna finish a project during the space over the next
few days so that's cool so yeah 9am there so yeah I guess trying to get
Michael Taylor in a space that's uh I want to know more now after hearing his
speech back but yeah thanks for coming up, Gooey. He's gone. Good night. Beans on toast and crumpets. Awesome to get Gooey's tape. It's like having a,
it's like being in a sort of Sherlock Holmes movie where the smart one is like Watson or whatever
with the magnifying glass. Gooey's like looking through the magnifying glass all the time. That
was really cool. So yeah, if anyone wants to come up for the last few minutes
please do i don't really have much to chat about i'll probably ramble and say something i regret
much for the entertainment of the other people but if anyone wants to come up and say hello please do
this is the third marathon space technically the fourth the third one well this is the history first one
168 hours cheers nft one standard launch that was the first one and we hit it 168 hours boom
second year 2023 on the anniversary of the nft one standard launch we went for 200 hours and
did 207. So somewhere
through the space, someone said, let's do seven hours more. Okay, fair enough. We'll do 207 instead
of 200 then. And then the third year was last year, 2024, the year Michael Taylor did that speech
in October. Then we didn't succeed in the third year. I did one space, Bradley did a space and
in the morning it wasn't being hosted,
there's like an hour or two gap and I just thought, you know what, it would be fake if we actually
carried on. So just, it was cancelled. We failed, third year, we've got to 20 hours or whatever.
This year, Drak and Bradley have picked the ball up and they said, why not do 222 hours?
So they've raised the bar again and
that's where we're at so we're what i think 30 hours in or something so if we get there this
time this will be the third call it a world record i think it is a world record for the world's
longest conversation i think that that's what the record actually is i know drex said guinness
records doesn't matter.
It's not going in Guinness.
It's like $10,000 to even talk to them.
So the goal is not to get in Guinness,
but there is inherent value in achieving something that's a genuine first.
And so the longest ever conversation in human history is what this is. So you're basically part of it and listening to it
now so if we get to 222 hours you will have been part of the longest conversation ever in history
how do i know it's the longest conversation ever in history before web rtc it wasn't possible to
to talk for a week.
Telephone, no, because a human one-to-one has to sleep.
That wouldn't count.
So the actual tools for a long conversation,
probably, well, maybe they exist,
but not to the mainstream public that I know of.
So that's where it comes in.
These spaces have pretty much all been conversation-based.
So yeah, you could always play a space
for a year running with music playing,
but that's not a conversation.
So the value in the weirdness in a sense
is the fact that it's conversation.
It just happens to be about cheer.
So it's human conversation is one.
The fact that it's about cheer is two.
And then the technology that it's building
and it's based on is three
really it's the the data layer that dig knows that's on top of the cheer on top of and you
only know about it by talking about it so human conversation is is i think the most disruptive
most important best most brilliant most exposes corruption most brings good to light medium that's ever existed.
And until 2021, it wasn't public.
And with the debut of Clubhouse, one, then Twitter spaces, two, there hasn't been the
chance to do it before.
So because Chia community holds a record, they're now not just going to hold the record
for the longest, 168 hours hours which hasn't been broken uh
apart from by us the second it will now be three world records so it's like number position one
two and three is what i'm trying to say if we get to 222 hours so okay time is it is it it's like
five minutes i guess uh let i'll close this early to let people get over to uh monkeys who i think
he said it's running.
Let me just double check.
If he wants to start on the dot,
he'd probably rather people were there at the start.
So I'll just check it's running.
Because then if it's not running for seven minutes,
you've basically failed the 222 hours.
Oh, no, it's set for 3 p.m. Okay, that's fine.
I'll keep going until the minute before.
Well, the minute of, I guess.
Okay, so what else came out of the three long conversations?
I think each time they happened, something was spurned out of it that would, an unintended
consequence, basically. You don't know what's going to happen from it.
If humans have never spoken for that long before,
what comes out of it?
I didn't really have any expectation.
I hope that it would just carry on 365 days a year.
You can't do more than that.
So the first community in the world that has a 365-day year,
seven days a week, including
late years, 24 hours a day, all the minutes in the day, you know,
if that's running 24 seven 365 days a year, the first community
to do that will almost certainly be the center of the new media,
not just the blockchain media, but the actual world new media.
Because there's never been a place to go to talk 24-7 about a specific subject that
being chia and all the things that link to chia people's dreams ambitions things being built
things that tangan will build with data layer things that michael taylor will release the
updates to it all if you want to find out about it there'll be no more central a point than a 24-hour,
seven days a week, 365-day-a-year conversation, which would be on Twitter for now. But at some
point, hopefully, could be more decentralized than that. Because if Twitter is turned off,
does the conversation stop? It'll have to be rebuilt by someone else somehow. You can't just not talk anymore.
So this is the power of spoken voice.
So what came out of it?
The second conversation, and in fact the third,
I was burnt out by the third one.
That's to some degree why I didn't raise the bar,
couldn't achieve the third one. But Drack saw the potential and power of it and he actually called
it a chia festival in the first year and because it's recorded as well you can go back and actually
check save the things whatever save the audio uh although it's a lot of hours of time but but drac
did say this is like a festival and it's true so because i guess a community was a little bit quiet
And it's true.
So because I guess the cheer community was a little bit quiet,
now Drek and Bradley picked the ball up.
Now it's like everyone's talking about cheer again.
So there's a big benefit.
The unintended consequences, like the desire to talk about it more,
and you can feel the power of it, being part of it.
So what else came out about it?
I think some of the weekly spaces came from it.
I think Art Thursday spaces came from it i think art thursdays came from it i started doing a weekly space because of how good the
first world record was and then maybe even monkey zoo's weekly space which he says he's not doing
currently because he was a bit burnt out i understand that but he's you know a great
spaces personality monkeys were not i'm excited to see what he's going to do in the next well
starting in three minutes from now and he's going to do in the next well starting in
three minutes from now and he's got his space he says it's pinned up the top just double chip yeah
it is so uh it's right at the top there uh so what else get so lots of people kind of became friends
who learned about people i met chunk and you know got to know trunk and lots of
other people met Bradley in there so there's like a certain energy that's got drawn to the spaces
and I think it's no coincidence that the permuto delayance if that's even a word the permuto being
delayed happened in the first evening of this world record space.
That's not coincidence.
That wouldn't have been spoken about publicly unless this space was running.
I'm pretty sure about that because it was getting close to the end of summer.
So live conversations are a magnet for things being revealed,
much more, I think, than the written media.
So you can guarantee if there's a permanent
space always running the big news is going to be revealed in the space is not on the screen
well it's on a screen but through a screen but you get what I mean it's like you hear it through your
earpiece not through looking at the screen or touching a piece of text that could be AI generated
or written with a sense of sarcasm that doesn't come across until you hear it live,
like with Michael Taylor doing his speech there.
John Fitzgerald, Michael Taylor, whatever.
They should protect him.
Don't let him drive in a taxi in Dallas Plaza at any point
with the stuff that he's saying that he's trying to do.
Good gracious me.
So I think it's one minute to go
I'll give you all the chance to get over to monkey zoo space. I don't want to start on time. I guess so I'll keep it running and
Perhaps I'll play out with a few minutes of Michael's speech again. I'll play the first bit. That was good
And I'll see you all at the next space
you all at the next page.
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