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🌱 222hr Space 2 🌱 : Open Mic / Crypto / Ai / Art & Culture 🌱
Recorded: Sept. 20, 2025 Duration: 3:50:21Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, participants explored the challenges and opportunities within the crypto space, highlighting the delays in Permuto Capital's project and the implications for fundraising efforts. The conversation also touched on the evolving role of AI in the industry, the importance of community support, and the potential for new token launches, reflecting a dynamic landscape of growth and innovation.
Full Transcription
We're back. This is the second space. It seems like the first one that Drak was hosting crashed
or his battery ran out or whatever the final word I heard was confused from ignore and
then it cut off. So I think that the first space died. I'm going to double check just
to make sure and then I'll keep it going from here with the ability to add co-hosts
etc just check it might still be going if it is I'll jump back in there I span
this up immediately just to make sure that something was running yep recording
over 16 hours 26 minutes 1,900 people tuned in. Not bad. Let me tweet this out. Thank you. Okay.
Okay, it's back. It's back. I've put it in the places for the familiar faces. Let me
just change the title. And we'll get the show back on the road. So the first space was going 16 hours.
Then it crashed.
Pretty good.
Pretty good effort.
It said 1,900 people tuned in live.
So it's a shame that couldn't keep going,
but that's what happens with spaces.
So off we go.
I'll pin it to the top.
Yeah, great conversation there with Ignore.
Hopefully he'll be back.
We're getting spiritual there.
Anyone wants to come up, please do.
I'll just finish posting this in the places,
then I'll go on a ramble, no doubt.
As only I can do.
Pin it to the space.
Welcome back, everyone.
We had a spaces crash there.
Direct space went down.
I don't know if it was the battery or they turned it off.
I think the final word I heard was confused, and then it just went, boom, down.
But it's on record, 19 hours, I beg your pardon,
16 hours, 26 minutes, and 16 seconds.
That's all out there now.
So in case you have not heard,
Permuto Capital's thing has been delayed,
causing quite a lot of controversy, conversations,
conspiracies, blah, blah, blah.
I'm sure you'll hear more of it.
It's like another 200 hours and whatever.
200 hours and six hours to go.
206 hours to go.
So I'm sure things will come up again.
I must say I was not that surprised it was delayed but.
Just tricky it's been put in.
I didn't put it in the tangram chat. Let me put it in there now. Oh, someone's put it in there. Thanks a lot. Thank you. See.
space and gooey's going on one of his uh kind of famous uh thought consciousness pieces and it was
uh great to hear i love these spaces i love tuning in and just hearing the sort of things people are
saying and the sort of conversation people are having and uh it's really it's really something
it's really something.
And yeah, it sounds like Gooey was kind of coming to some sort of similar way of thinking
as what I've been espousing in the recent months in Chia.
Everything is not what it seems.
It's the first few minutes of the space, isn't it?
So I may as well throw some ideas out there my own personal opinion is that chia is
deliberately being stopped from gaining adoption under the guise of helping it that's what i think
personally i think that it's the easiest thing in the world to promote chia you need one mainstream
influencer that's all and then get them to share information
about chia why do you want the wallet permanent names which actually was satoshi's second project
before he went missing was name chain so the first blockchain ever was bitcoin the second blockchain
ever was something called name chain and it was a slightly different idea to the concept that I think could work on Chia.
But it was a dot-com equivalent linked to a new blockchain, NameChain, that linked to Bitcoin.
Soon after, that's when Satoshi went missing.
And not missing, I don't think, as in was abducted, but missing as in just went quiet, went black.
And in fact, Julian Assange tweeting about Bitcoin sort of sounded like it spooked Satoshi.
And he said that you've drawn the, how did he phrase it?
You've drawn the hornet's nest or something like, oh, you shook the hornet's nest.
And then Satoshi went missing so one mainstream influencer with chia and uh and
permanent name network would be the secret sauce not just would that be almost free to do
it almost guarantee success but the fact that it hasn't happened after years now makes me think
that people running chia are actually trying to make it not succeed, which is a bitter pill for
people to swallow if that is the case, but that's just my own thought. Not that Cookie said that,
he was not saying that, but he was more thinking that something isn't right. Why was the Pimuto
thing cancelled right at the last minute? In fact, it was cancelled like the day of the space starting two days before when it's
summer ends right at the last minute so it was interesting hearing what guby said and the way
that he's thinking i'll see if ignore still around hopefully he's gonna come back in it's a shame when
these spaces just suddenly stop especially when you deep into a sort of it's like halfway through a mushroom trip if suddenly the
trip like a button is pressed and it's no longer running it's kind of it's a
bit jolting his name is ignore isn't it
His name is Ignore, isn't it? I'm sure I'll be back. So yeah, if anyone wants to come up,
please do. I've got lots to say. I don't know the order in which I'll say it. I'll gather my thoughts Make sure this is all tweeted out. It is in fact night time in America so I'm sure some people probably took the
cancelled space going to take their chance to go to sleep which I would not
blame them it's we're in the European time zone right now it's in the
afternoon in Bangkok where I am.
I can talk about my recent trip to Vietnam perhaps.
I had what looked like another helicopter following me down the beach this time,
but it could all be coincidence that helicopters keep going over my building in Bangkok.
When I went to Laos to do a visa run a while back helicopter came down right over my head when I went there and when I was in Vietnam helicopter went straight over my
head down the beach turned back round went round a few times it's it's probably coincidence but
perhaps I can get into that hey monkey zoo good to, good to see you. Always shout out to the OGs.
Give a big handout to the Spaces OGs from cheer.
People that hosted Spaces, Leafy K, Clyde Wallace, Dylan Rose,
Monkey Zoo, Bradley Art with Art Wallace, Drack.
All the people that have spanned, and GUI, obviously,
and lots of other people, but all the people that have spanned these Spaces up have kept the conversation going, and that's what's allowed us to get to this point. 222 hours now after 168,
year one, 207 year two, didn't work in the year three, this is now year four,
and I think we're definitely going to achieve it. I think there's no chance that we won't get to 222 hours.
Almost, they'd have to turn the internet off.
And even then, perhaps someone would find a way to do it through walkie-talkie
or smoke signal, perhaps.
That would be interesting.
Yeah, if you guys can share it, that would be good.
I've got a few things I want to talk about, but I'm not sure.
I'll have to gather my thoughts.
I've got a slight fever I want to talk about, but I'll have to gather my thoughts. I've got a slight fever at the moment.
If people were wondering where I went in spaces in the last few, I didn't paste it in that chat.
There is a reason for it, and I'll get into that.
Just paste it in the...
Oh, there we go.
I think it's in all the regular channels now.
Share it with Bradley.
It's probably a marijuana time, I guess.
If Ignor's out there, please do come back up.
It was great in that chat there.
Is the Force real?
I'm going to say that it is.
The force in Star Wars may actually
be a real thing.
Can't believe I'm even saying that, age 44.
that's what the evidence is suggesting.
Oh, I can
give an update on Chia Music and
Music Village. That's probably the best thing. So oh, I can give an update on Chia music and music village.
That's probably the best thing.
So what happened to me then in the last,
well, it's actually been a year and a half almost,
but realistically it came to a head in the last month.
In the first halving of Chia,
so we talk about synchronicity and whatnot, things happening at certain times and commuto being cancelled while delayed, like just when the space started, just a few days before the thing.
Is that coincidence? I'd say it's synchronicity. Something's going on.
well in the first chia halving which was three years in i could argue it should have been four
years like bitcoin one but anyway three years into the halving i was invited to set a software
product up by wes kuzma who in fact on paper was the person who sold the first commercial internet to Rupert Murdoch in the 90s called Delphi.
So that's official that he owned the commercial internet before Murdoch, who bought it off him.
Well, he sounded like he was a good guy.
And all the things, his project is called authenticity capital authenticity alliance
he's a guy trying to fight silicon valley gave me a copy of his book so this was months before
the first year halving wes kuzmalt gave me a copy of his book personally and it was about how silicon
valley's holding people back and its privacy is gone. They can read all your emails.
Anything you say is being monitored.
All of the stuff that sounds bad.
Well, he gave me his book and I read it and I thought, wow.
And then he invited me to a meeting.
So this is years into Chia.
I could never get funding in Chia.
I didn't ever really need that much.
But the things I wanted to build, it's a metaverse link to Chia. I didn't ever really need that much, but the things I wanted to build, it's a metaverse
linked to Chia music. In the Chia music plan, it's called The Secret World. That was like a
Project Dolphin for Nintendo, like a sort of pseudonym name until it was really called
something else. So I called it The Secret World. And then when Dolphin was called the Nintendo Wii,
called it the secret world.
And then when Dolphin was called the Nintendo Wii,
then it sort of came out later.
So I think it was the Nintendo Wii, or was it the GameCube?
Either way, you can have a project title,
and then it gets renamed later.
So like Atari Project Atari or Asteroids in Chia.
So I called it the secret world in the Chia Music roadmap,
and I could never get really funding, I guess, or someone to build it.
So anyway, Wes Kuzmal in the first Chia Halving invited me to a business meeting,
and he offered to build it for me, to fund it basically.
To fund it, pay me a salary and offer the development help.
It was made clear all I had to do was bring my idea and focus on marketing. So this was March
2024. So for basically a year and a half, I've survived off basically no money. And when I say
nobody, my mom's given me some.ael taylor gave me some big thank you
to michael he didn't know what was going on at the time someone else in the community wants to
remain nameless they gave me some money so i have had some income but it's been not much and uh so
anyway it carried on and i was building this project for wes for a year and things suddenly started going a bit weird
he started to change the goal posts and sort of do things that started to set my warning signs off
and it like some of the things that happened were mad. I was left with $5 in my pocket when I had to travel abroad internationally.
There was an earthquake in Bangkok
and he still wouldn't send money.
He promised me money numerous times.
And he just, when it came to sending me,
basically he just refused.
So I've got it all on paper,
all the emails he sent me promising me help.
I'm gonna sue him for sure. But over the last couple of months, my financial situation got to the point where I was basically
not going to be able to afford to get my new visa in Bangor, and I would have been stranded
abroad with nothing.
And it's not that I was losing hope, it's just you just have to deal with it.
So I decided that because of the legal implications of talking in spaces,
I shouldn't do weekly spaces because I was basically angry at that point.
I'm not now.
I'm quite hopeful now because of the legal case I think I've got.
But I decided to go quiet because I knew that in the space,
because it's like having a hand grenade in your hand, a live microphone,
and you know that people are listening, and you know that you can say something,
and it could get you in trouble.
So I thought it was better to take care of my personal situation,
which seems now to be fixed, in terms of my visa anyway,
and not to say anything that Wes could use against me legally
before I could think about it.
So it all came to a head when it turned out that Wes tried to steal my idea,
which was audio campfires.
It's meant to be a replacement for Twitter spaces, in fact.
Not to be this big billion-dollar business, but so that when they turn Twitter spaces off which will definitely happen in my opinion
There'll be a plan B there and I've even visualized there'd be a Chia campfire running 24 7
168 hours a week. There'd be a Bitcoin space campfire running 24 7
It seemed it would only take about a week to do it.
And perhaps as little as $10,000.
But Wes was promising to do it for me.
So I spent a year and a half I put into it.
I created something like 2,000 designs, did all the marketing materials.
Everything was ready.
And then every time it came down to funding something he
refused no matter how many you know influences i put in front of him or like marketing plans that
he said were good and then yeah he got funding two hundred thousand dollars for another company
he runs called trusted and true and he tried to steal the campfire's idea in amidst it
all and he rebranded it authenticity circles so i came to the conclusion that he's part of an
intelligence agency network that was basically trying to stop me from releasing something
whilst pretending to help me release something and at the end when i said i was desperate for
money not for the first time, by the way,
I mean, I only got paid $3,000 for the whole year and a half.
That's not enough to live off, unfortunately, for me.
I've sort of survived somehow.
But ultimately, he tried to steal the idea after all of that.
And I've got all the evidence of it.
So when this all sort of came to a head the last couple of months,
I only had basically about 30, 40 days to get a new visa,
which had to be done outside of Thailand.
And if not, I would have been banned from Thailand and where I live
for the last 17 years or so and
I just got back from Vietnam like 48 hours ago, so I gathered myself
borrowed some money off my mum and
Was in Vietnam like it was like apocalypse now
Because it was I didn't know if I'd get the visa granted.
It was pretty hell, I've got to say,
because it's one thing if you live in a place and you've got no money.
It's a different thing if you live in a place and you can't afford to pay for a visa, basically.
So the summary of it all, really really is that music village essentially is dead
that thing i've been working on and promoting in my profile seems to be some sort of
intelligence scam to stop me actually releasing the audio campfire
now at the end of it all if people are thinking well maybe he's just too paranoid
not an intelligence agency when he knew that I was completely broke, having broken me financially himself, that's Wes.
By the way, my bank account was frozen in England because I couldn't pay the overdraft that I took out to fund myself whilst I was building it for him, even though he promised funding.
even though he promised funding. When he realized I had nothing left, he tried to get me to sign
a non-disclosure agreement and a non-compete clause indefinitely for $1,000 after all this
happened. So he obviously thinks that something's gone on so bad that if he wanted me to retrospectively,
retroactively sign a non-disclosure agreement,
which basically means I'd legally not be allowed to talk about anything that had happened.
But this was after it already happened.
But alongside it, a non-compete clause that would say I wasn't even allowed to work on audio campfires anywhere else.
He would own the idea for $1,000.
So it's like he tried to grind me down
and then steal my idea and then legally put me in a prison.
So this all happened like, yeah, like I say,
within the last couple of months, June, I think it was,
what is it now, July, August, it's it sounds cut off. I hope I wasn't muted for too long there. On the final day
in Vietnam, after my visa was granted, I was walking down the beach and out of nowhere
a helicopter came over and sort of it went up the beach, stopped, seemed to turn around,
come over my head again, then went around it I don't know what is
going on anymore I'm really not sure but in case it was muted a minute ago or so Wes tried to get
me to sign a non-compete clause and a non-disclosure agreement for a thousand dollars after he had
already tried to steal my idea and not pay me what he had promised. And that's after he ground me down financially.
So the Music Village, AKA the secret world from Chia Music,
a campfire based audio system.
Well, it's not gonna take place
under the Music Village umbrella,
but I still own the rights to the idea.
I haven't signed anything and I'm not going to.
So I'm just going to turn my attention
to trying to make it happen a different way. But that's why I've been quiet the last couple of
months in Chia. I just thought I'd better be away from the live mic and to basically figure out my
personal situation so that basically I could get my visa in Thailand, which I've now done I've got back two days ago so that's really the Chia
music update I'm definitely going to be releasing more stuff but this is what's really hindered me
for a while so where's Kuzmal is going to get sued the AI which is designed to tell you what you
want to hear but it says I've got like an ironclad case.
Like he was the one that told me funding would be provided.
He said to only focus on marketing.
He's the one who tried to steal my idea.
He put it in a business plan and shared it with me.
He's contradicted himself numerous times.
So I don't think it's incompetence.
I just don't think a 79-year-old man with a German second name is coming from anything but Operation Paperclip.
So that's my own opinion.
You can look what Operation Paperclip is up, but it suggests a sort of deeply embedded elite that controls technology through intelligence agencies
that stops real technology coming out
that actually can liberate people.
And I say that from the heart.
I'm not really too interested
in spending much of the rest of my life thinking about it,
but that's just a situation that I found myself in.
So the campfire concept is still burning
and I'm gonna do everything I can to get it out there
because these spaces are magical.
These conversations are world changing
and if Twitter is turned off or spaces are closed,
we need a plan B before that happens.
That really is crucial. Given everything that's going on in the world,
the truth will come to the light of spoken audio.
And so for now, that's Music Village is dead.
And also World Park is dead, which is the second company Wes asked me to run, by the way.
So it wasn't just Music Village.
It was World Park as well.
He said the idea for Camp Fives was so good.
We need a separate company, essentially, just for that.
So at one point, I was running two businesses, but not being paid for any of it which seems mad and he was trying
to get me to do daily stand-up meetings at one point he wanted me to do a daily stand-up meeting
and come to a Friday night social and tell a joke to him every Friday at 10 p.m. Bangkok time for no
money so it feels like it was some form of psychological test of compliance like how much can we
push him and get him under the thumb and the more i was okay fair enough if you want me to
tell a joke on a friday night i'll do that it's a bit weird but like whatever if that's if this
is the way you run your enterprises i'll do it it. And I did for like two or three weeks.
And then I just thought this is like,
I wasn't going out on Fridays in Bangkok
because of staying home for that.
So all the evidence like this,
the AI says, look, you are clearly being treated as an employee.
They can't just trick you and not pay you,
especially if they promise to.
So I think I've got an ironclad legal case and that's now that my visa sorted I can
now focus on that and get that sent I'm not expecting to win because I think
there's an embedded elite that a ruling thing so if they control technology
they'll control the courts too most likely so the chance of winning it's not
guaranteed but I think I've got a good case at least in the court of public opinion
so that's my whirlwind update on music village and world park now i'm going to smoke some weed
and get really crazy if anyone wants to come up, by the way, the first space crashed or
Drax battery ran out, I guess. I'm not sure which, but yeah, open forum. I'm not
going to talk about one thing specifically. I've kind of got that off my chest
at the start of the space, which is good replay value.
It's a bit weird sometimes when you're hosting a space and like when you start it there's
sometimes one or two people in the space and you think should I talk about this thing now?
And you think ah but the space will be played back so saying it at the start is probably
actually the best thing.
Ah and relax.
Test SEO looks like it's working.
I think my space has crashed about six times so far since I'm getting in. I could turn that off.
It seems like a high number of crashes so far.
What can I talk about next then?
Should I talk about Permuto?
Well, yeah, fuck it why not
I'm a host and it's on me I guess
if I get in trouble
I think that
all is not what it seems
in Chia and I had this
feeling for a while
I think Bram
is completely clean
absolutely salt of the earth one of the best people that's ever lived.
And all the people that work for C&I, I think are good people.
But my own opinion is that she is being deliberately designed to not succeed.
That's just what it looks like to me.
It's pretty uncomfortable looking at it,
but Gene's boss is Andresen Horowitz.
So what's that?
Well, it's Mark Andreessen's investment vehicle in the same way Authenticity Capital is Wes Kuzma's.
It feels like the money's gone in there to make sure that the way it's run doesn't reach mainstream adoption.
It's kind of my conclusion, which is pretty awkward, especially as I've recommended people buy Chia.
But that doesn't mean it won't achieve it.
It just, the way that the Pimutouto thing came out it just seemed a bit too
convenient it's like this thing's coming out last December and in order for cheer to be successful
now this needs to be successful that's a different goal post and for this thing to be successful all
that has to happen is we just have to get through the sec and
then we're good and then as times got closer and closer it seems more and more
less likely that it would be uh like accepted or given the now we've got someone requesting
to come up that's good please do if anyone wants to come up the more the good. Please do. If anyone wants to come up, the more the merrier. I'm happy to be dis, like proven wrong. I want my ideas to be sort of questioned in the public
realm of audio conversation. So welcome Satan's angel to the stage.
uh well what was i saying so yeah mark andresen he's in charge of chia and that leads to peter
teal who's also seemingly in charge of chia so i think that when silicon valley bank crashed
that initially caused chia to be delayed They're just working together to create excuses
why Chia will never IPO.
So that's hindered the whole development of everything
since day one.
It's all been slowed down
because we're waiting for the SEC,
we're waiting to IPO, we're waiting to IPO.
It doesn't sound much like Bitcoin too, really.
Imagine if Bitcoin won success
was based on
if it ipo'd in wall street it doesn't really make sense but
uh i think that silicon valley bank was deliberately defunded to stop chia from
ipoing that's the level to which it goes so operation choke point is the name of the
So Operation Chokepoint is the name of the official thing.
It's like they admit there was an Operation Chokepoint
to target crypto companies.
So someone is like targeting Chia, in my opinion,
and it's more likely to be the people that are actually funding it,
Mark Andreassen and Andreassen Horowitz and people like that. So it runs alongside what I was saying about Music Village as well.
It seems to be linked.
I could be wrong.
If I'm not wrong, it's probably dangerous for me to say it.
But fuck it, I don't care.
I do a little bit, but not that much.
I'll get you back up, Satan's engine.
I thought I accepted you before.
But hopefully this time it will work. Ah, there we go. Welcome to the stage, Satan's Angel.
Oh, has it kicked you again? Oh, hello. I'm back, yeah. You was wrecked there for a minute.
Oh, did it cut out? Yeah, you cut out for a while while now that's why i came up to tell you
your connection was weak oh thank you hopefully it's better now yeah it is
it's all good my i evidently i came in too and i was asking people to throw something up if they
could hear me and they could then nobody did so i didn't think they they heard me either so i think it was your
connection yeah it's a bit fishy i've been disconnected quite a lot today in the previous
spaces i've done it rarely did so i think my wi-fi is good double checking it perhaps I should move the router thing yeah I don't know anymore with Twitter
or X however you want to say yeah well how's it going Satan's angel how are you doing good
good I was in the other space has been in there since midnight last night on my time. I'm on your same schedule. Basically I'm in Japan.
Oh, nice.
A couple hours off.
That's brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. God. I love Japan.
Yeah. I get over there quite a bit too. So I got some friends over there.
I go see all the time.
Oh, that's amazing. I dreamed of a cheer meet up in japan years ago i said to clide wallace when will
we be meeting up in japan for a chia community that would have been god amazing well you never
know i mean bullish might come over next year he's kind of threw out there a little bit and
you know i i could do whatever i can to help to set one up but
i i don't know really how to do that stuff but i could i could do my best oh also i'd be there
like click of a finger boom it's such a good place and it's well it'd be perfect
yeah i mean it's okay yeah i'd be good for people come from the states money wise it's cheap form
but i can't imagine being in a japanese izakaya with the cheer community uh
i guess maybe not everyone knows that in the audience but it's a japanese style bar but they
have something called the nomi hodai or even better than nomomi, sorry, Tabe Nomi Hodai.
Basically, it's an all-you-can-drink, or all-you-can-drink and all-you-can-eat.
But Nomi Hodai is all-you-can-drink.
But it's like about $5.
You're like, what?
No, not possible.
But it is.
In Japan, you go in a bar, pay $5, and drink all-you-can for like 90 minutes.
That's not just beer it's like cocktails
wine like all the different japanese drinks and all the rest of it and not all the premium drinks
not like glenfiddich necessarily but sometimes you can but i just imagine being a nomi hodai
an izakaya in japan with the cheer community that would be like christmas yeah i think it'd be a
little more than five bucks but um it you know
usually something like that it's a private deal and it's set up you know where you do like a 20
bucks for but i mean if you go to the hostess clubs they're everywhere they do that all the time
uh basically you pay like uh depending on what time of day you go like the un
you got prime hours and non-prime hours
that you go and
you pay a certain amount.
The hostess sits next to you and pours your drinks for,
you drink as much you want for an hour.
And then they try to get you to buy drinks
and that's extra.
That kind of stuff, but.
That'd be the hostess bars.
The actual Izzakaya,
I'm sure it's cheaper than $20.
Well, for a Gnomi Hodai, right now, if you go to a bar, any bar, and you have a drink, it's $5, one drink.
So a Gnomi Hodai, all you can drink is usually a private setup to where you get X amount of people to come in.
You set it up with the bar ahead of time
or the izakaya ahead of time.
And then they would do that.
But if they did it all the time, they'd go out of business.
I know they make their money back on the food.
So that's the gimmick is the Japanese businessman
will do the nomi hard ice so they get too drunk.
And then it's
like oh we'll charge them 40 dollars well maybe that's a bit much but say 20 dollars for sushi
or like luxury horse meat or hand-rilled chicken with its you know I could see that yeah I could
see that yeah have you been here before yeah I've been like six seven eight times to japan
i love it love going there so much mostly where tokyo osaka goya
i've been to yeah tokyo and sapporo are my favorite too and And I've been to Osaka as well and went around Hokkaido when I was up in Sapporo once.
But I think Sapporo actually is my favorite.
And then Tokyo is number two.
Sweet.
Yeah, there's a lot there, man.
Tokyo.
And the women.
They're so beautiful.
Good God.
I should probably be careful saying this in Thailand, but I think Japanese women are the
most beautiful in the world. They're in the top three with Thai girls and
insert a third nationality of your choice, but they're so beautiful over there.
Do you actually live there or are you visiting?
No, I live here. I've been here for 30 years.
Oh, wow. Awesome.
Yeah, I spent half my life in the States and half my life here.
Wow.
I'd love to hear more about what it's like there the most i've stayed is like two months and that's pretty long yeah but a lot of people want to come for a couple weeks but yeah
two months is pretty long no it's cool i mean it's it's really peaceful for me people don't usually get in my face or
talk to me or do anything you know they unless they'll come and ask me if they can take a picture
of me in the bike or or at the bike pretty much is how they approach me but pretty much everybody leaves you alone so it's just i like it it's peaceful
there's hardly any police anywhere um they do set up their little traps and stuff once in a while and
catch you speeding but other than that they they don't they don't patrol like they do in the states
or whatever like thailand they're everywhere you know
most of them are benign but you know here you just don't see him that much
which i like because i don't like authority
but i noticed you like some floyd
but i noticed you like some floyd
oh yeah oh yeah i i because i i've heard you a couple times in spaces because i'm i'm around
i don't get up here much but i'm around and uh but i don't really know you you know except for
what you just said about your story and looked looked at your profile. We follow each other, so.
But I know she liked Floyd.
I'm a big Floyd fan, too.
I'm trying to pioneer this campaign to reform Pink Floyd.
That's really kind of like the, say, the backbone of Chia Music is that campaign.
And I've been sort of publicly but also what's the word
when you're downwind and out of sight stealthily I've been stealthily trying to tweak the dials
to try and make it happen and the furthest I've got was I managed to get a message to Gilmore and Polly Samson, his wife, directly just saying, like, reform Pink Floyd. And
my premise and thinking is that Roger Waters is basically right about the situation in
Gaza, and Polly is basically wrong. And in order to sort of everyone to save face, Pink
Floyd reforming and love conquering all and all of that,
that that would be one thing that the world, whoever's ruling the world would not be able
to survive Pink Floyd reforming because there's too much, it'd be too much of a message of hope.
And there's so many Pink Floyd fans, it'd be the biggest thing ever in music if it happened. So
I'm still pushing for it as best i can but yeah
i love pink floyd animals just i think that's the best piece of music i've ever heard dogs and all
that but yeah curious what your what like what your history of pink floyd have you seen them
before by the way yeah in canada i saw them in canada i don't know how many years ago, but it was kind of cool.
I mean, it was before, way before 9-11.
They had a show and my buddy who is in radio in Portland, he got me some tickets and a bus ride up there and everything.
And it was kind of cool because the Canadian, when we were coming across the border they basically stopped the bus and said hey listen we know you're going to the
floyd concert they're giving you one chance we're going to come on this we're going to hand the bag
to somebody and we're going to go through there you put all your drugs and paraphernalia in that
bag and we'll let you go to the concert but if we find anything on the bus you're not going
and so they passed the bag back and you could it just filled up
and they came off the bus they run the dogs through the bus they found like one prescription
you know headache medicine buried in the seat somewhere that wasn't ours and they let us go
so i thought that was pretty cool nowadays they don't want to let you cross the border without
passport but um yeah it was a great show.
I mean, I'm glad I went.
I was introduced to Pink Floyd from my dad when I was a little kid.
And I was in my teens, Dark Side of the Moon.
And I'm a big music lover anyway.
So I've been to a lot of different concerts,
but I'm glad I could see that one.
A lot of lasers and stuff going on there.
Which tool was it?
Was it the division belt?
No, it wasn't.
I don't think it was division, though.
God, I'd have to really think about this because it was a long-ass time ago.
Because I'm actually I'm clean and sober. i've been i'll be cleaning this over for 40 years
in like two weeks or something like that on the 28th so and i was probably
five or six years clean and sober maybe
yeah it was before japan before al Alaska so I had to be like between
five and ten years clean and sober so that you're talking like 35 years ago
somewhere around there anyway it's been a long time you went to the original
lineup the original one is that really if you'd said division belt or i
would have said uh pretty good but you need pink floyd to reform so you can see the real ones
but you saw the real ones wow yeah i'm i'm i'm old so well kind of not really old but i'm older
most that are in these spaces interesting Interesting. I'd never have guessed.
It's hard to get a read on people's age when you host.
If you were 17 or 35, I wouldn't know any difference pretty much.
Right.
Yeah, I don't mind.
I don't feel as old as I am, so it doesn't matter.
I don't feel as old as I am, so it doesn't matter.
So what got you into crypto?
Notice you're a Bitcoin fan, so.
Yeah, it was 2017, and I saw this article.
It was on a newspaper or whatever, the BBC News or something,
and it was just this logo that I didn't recognize, and it was Ethereum.
And it was like, who's going to win the crypto war, Ethereum or Bitcoin, basically?
And it was like, they're both shooting up in price.
I was like, what's that then?
Because I'd always discounted Bitcoin.
I'd never bought any until 2017.
Then when I saw this Ethereum thingium thing I was like smart contracts and
like the penny dropped as well that's gonna shoot up in value like one way or another aetherium is
not gonna stay at $300 a coin so I thought I can make some money off this and over time I started
to sort of alert I was onboarded through the potential for making a little bit of money and uh then i got into the technology and what it means and bitcoin smart contracts and
cardano i was part of that community for a while and i'd sort of bounced around and i thought how
do you come up with a music system that could take on the record industry and when chia was launched
take on the record industry.
And when Chia was launched,
I'd been following it
since 2019.
And I was like, well, Bram's a BitTorrent guy,
so we know what that means.
It means this is the best technology.
So that's really what got me into Chia.
And I've been here ever since
through the rough and the smooth of it.
Right on.
That's cool.
So you're a big music guy in the sense of wanting to get it out there, like, on blockchain.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Since I was probably 36, I've been working on launching a music career where I want to play live in Bangkok in Asia.
And I would have been playing, I think, since 2021, if not for the whatever happened with the
pandemic slash scandemic, whatever it was. So I've been delayed. So the end goal of the end game of
all of Music Village, Gia Music, was I was meant to be playing music live. And I've just decided I need to just go for it then.
If Music Village won't happen,
if you won't get funding for anything,
just do it through live music.
So yeah, I want to play music in Japan.
If I could play music in Japan one day,
or I should say again,
because I have actually performed there live,
but if I could play again in Japan,
especially if i
was paid to do it that would be a dream come true so yeah very much a music guy uh both as a lover
and also hopefully in the future a performer as well cool what what is your engineer that you play
I play acoustic guitar.
Okay.
And yeah, solo, singer.
And I think I'm going to launch some NFTs in the near future.
I'm hoping to anyway.
I've never quite got around to it,
but I think I'm going to put some out on Chia pretty soon
because as I explained earlier in this space,
I'm currently in a bit of a sort of,
I was left in a perilous situation by the person who said they'd fund me.
So I figured the best way is just to try and sell music and perform.
So yeah, coming soon in the next couple of months, hopefully.
Have you played in spaces before?
Okay. Somebody else is doing that then.
Yeah, there's some good spaces.
Yeah.
DJ and Waffle's good.
I think sometimes the connection in spaces filters the music out there.
So if you're not careful, you'll play a song live,
and it'll not sound good because there's like a noise cancellation
sometimes with it.
But I don't know if it can pick up the fidelity of guitars but then again i've heard dj and waffle
play it so i think it does work in the right situation bram was actually playing an instrument
the other day and it didn't work then it did work i think on another space so i don't quite know why that's the case.
Yeah, to me, X is sketchy at best because I follow people and I do the alerts and stuff. And a lot of times I don't even see the alerts until I, like to say, there's a space.
And I find the space and go into the space.
And then it shows in my alerts that all these people are in the same space but it doesn't show it until after i'm in the space and just weird
like that goes on with my so i'm always trying to catch up because i'm waking up in the morning
and they've been up all night talking about all this cool that i'm trying to
read up on while they're talking and you know just kind of whatever
you know, just kind of whatever.
Yeah, sketchy for me more and more.
I think I'm being shadow banned.
I keep getting likes for things.
Then when I click it, there's no like,
and I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, I'm probably there too.
I got, somehow I got booted yesterday,
and it locked my account, and then I had to jump through and prove I was a human.
And I'd never seen that before. I took a screenshot of that and I was like, this is weird.
So that was yesterday. Yeah, it was yesterday. And let's see what it said. It said,
says your account has been locked. What happened?
We found some unusual activity on your account
to make Xure safe for everyone.
We need you to confirm your identity
before you continue on using X.
And then I jumped through their hoops hoops meanwhile i was in a space i was in the space right so i was on my phone
going through my phone because i'll do that i'll listen to the space either on my computer or my
phone and then i'll be looking through x on the other one and it did that on my phone while i was in the space on x on my computer so it's kind of weird
so i don't know technology i mean but i like your idea about the spaces because about creating some
alternative just in case because man had we had something like this in the beginning of crypto
oh god would save me a lot of headaches because so many people know so many
things way more than i do and you know i just i'm just pushing buttons you know buying this and
selling that and doing liquidity pools that kind of stuff but i don't know all the techie stuff
behind all this stuff but it's good to know and you know I'm not a trader or nothing like that you know I tried that
I'm not good at that I buy it goes down I sell it goes up you know that kind of shit but it's
the information that's given freely and eggs especially through the Tang gang. It's just great. Oh, yeah. It's brilliant. I love tuning into those spaces.
And whether it's cookies, bullish, or whoever's hosting,
the information, it's filtered through their mind
and then what they say live. And that saves hours of time.
But it's also far more pleasurable to hear the human voice deliver the information.
Yes. Yeah. Imagine Bitcoin. but it's also far more pleasurable to hear the human voice deliver the information yes yeah i
yeah imagine bitcoin but perhaps it would have i don't know maybe it wouldn't have grown organically
bitcoin because too many people would talk about it too quickly if you see what i mean yeah that's
another one you mean but but we're still like what one percent of the population if that
so like there's still a whole lot of people that aren't in. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, a lot of people have been priced out from Bitcoin
because it's, even though obviously $5 is $5 in a sense,
but because people here are 120,000,
regular people think, well, I've got to put that much in.
So yeah, that's one thing I really think about Chia is it's got far more potential to reach more people because people can get in earlier.
And basically it's more usable as NFTs.
There's things like that.
Yeah, but I'm running into the same thing as I did with Bitcoin with the Chia.
You know, I was in Bitcoin pretty early. And, you know, people are like, oh, yeah, whatever, you know i was in bitcoin pretty early and you know
people like oh yeah whatever you know and i'm talking about chia these are people who are in
crypto a lot of these people i'm talking you should get some chia you should get some cheers you get
some chia and they're like you know i don't know you know it's like okay whatever it's like you know
like you know uh people him and ha you know it's just uh like when i got into bitcoin i was surprised
i even bought the shit to tell you the truth it was like this vapor where you know you're sending
your money into some out there into the internet somewhere and i'm more of a libertarian type person
And I'm more of a libertarian type person, so like, the fuck am I doing?
But it did pay off, so.
But it was like, you know, it's like game money.
It's like, is it real?
You know, it's like, well, it is now.
I think that's the original premise
Yeah.
you know it was meant to be money for the internet
you know if you paid one person on the internet from another person bitcoin
and then it's kind of become digital gold
human greed took over a bit but that's good in its own way.
Yeah, I imagine it'll keep going up.
My opinion is it'll keep going up until it doesn't.
You know, I mean, long ways.
It's got a long way to go.
But I think, you know, my favorite chain is Chia now because it does everything.
And I don't have to trust you to sell you something
you know bitcoin you have to go to in exchange to to you know unless you're standing next to the
person you know um and you sell them bitcoin you get cash from them and it's direct but it's other with chia you don't have to do that
you know there's that that offer file that separates everything I think it's a
whole breed new breed of looking at crypto yeah
yeah the offer file is something genuinely revolutionary that I can see.
And it's a shame that it's not used more widely, I guess, in the internet.
But I guess it is being used more widely, but not as much as it should be, given how revolutionary it actually is.
Hmm.
you can just
basically share online anywhere even as a tweet and someone else can accept it without the need
for an exchange but then the problem is just getting the cheer in the first place
so yeah yeah it's tricky for me yeah i'm not on any exchange that's you know legit
that i can get it so i get it i usually get mine from like coin x or something like that so i i
don't have to kyc into that but you're still trusting that you're going to get your money out
there so i can't do large amounts like any you know I don't do anything over usually I think the max
I've done is like eight grand because it's still under the 10 grand mark and so I can get it out
of there but it's risky I've been on what three exchanges that have been hacked.
You know, Mt. Gox is the first one. And then, um, what's the name of that one?
I forget the name of that one.
Ah, I have to look it up, but there was a second exchange that I had moved a bunch of stuff to.
It was a great exchange.
Then one day they just turned it off and walked away.
I'm like, fuck, I'm fucked.
But luckily at the time it wasn't that much money.
But right now it's worth millions that I had on there.
But before it wasn't that much money.
And then an exchange here in japan a second exchange because mount
cox and then this other one got hacked which was coin check but they paid me every penny back so
i'm still with them that's how i onboard and off board my stuff but other than that it's
you know it's like going to different exchanges just makes me nervous man yeah and all the restrictions with them as well like the kyc and i think some i think binance i've
kyc like two or three times so if you need the money like what good is it if you have to upload
a passport to it so yeah they're freaky yeah i was i remember when it wasn't for us and then because i was on it
and then they made americans do kyc and so i had to get out of there but they let me get my stuff
out i actually liked binance you know uh their uh exchange there it was pretty good they had they had like anything that in their end
their and their phone app the way it tied in with their computer app was pretty nice i mean
and it was so efficient if anything went wrong they had it like fixed right away you know they
just wanted they didn't want to really take your money like take it from you they wanted to earn
it from you their way but
they always took care of me so i never worried about them but once they did that with the america
i i got out of it can you remember when they brought in the kyc was it after 2020
i think it was it was after good question uh it might have been before
slightly before
yeah i always use well i i do know this i do know this the price of bitcoin i mean by uh
bmb then was like 20 bucks and then it shot up to when i got into it was 20 bucks and when i
it shot up to like 600 and about that time is when it shot up to 600 is during that time
About that time is when it shot up to 600 is during that time.
So I just know that.
Yeah, that guy, he was saying all the right stuff, CZ.
He was going to live in different countries.
He was going to avoid China and whatever.
He was going to set it up in Malta.
Then it was going to become like in all the different countries
with not one central place.
And all of a sudden he got, didn't he get arrested in America
or charges sort of, won't say he went missing,
but he was sort of gone from Twitter, gone from the public view.
Then when he comes back, finance is like, he's stepping down
and it's whatever. And now it it's I don't know it seems
that he was doing the right thing and eventually the matrix so to speak caught up with him I don't
know though it's all guesswork yeah it's all you know all that's before you know uh the, you know, banks or financial institutions were interested in making money off of this.
So they wanted to keep this, you know, hammered down as much as possible.
Then once it started to go mainstream, then they were like, okay, so now how do we get our fingers in this?
Yeah. Of course, they're doing it.
They're doing it.
They're going to do it.
It's just, and it's always been that way.
There's just no way you're going to beat this, these cartels.
You can't.
They write the laws for their own systems man
that's the thing man is it's most everybody can be bought yeah
and therein lies the hope most but not all
so i'm just waiting for the technology and everything that everybody else to catch up
where i can just use my crypto for retirement and spend it on whatever i want to spend it on i don't
really i got everything i want i don't you know i would you know am i gonna private planes and
shit like that am i interested in that not really it's a whole lot of work you know i'm not interested in all that kind of stuff i got my bike and i'm happy
you know i can travel i'm happy that that's the thing that gets me more worried about anything
since kobe fuck when they said i couldn't travel without getting a shot, I was like, fuckers, I'm stuck now. I can't go home. And I needed to go home. My godfather passed away,
and I couldn't go home because I wouldn't take that shot. And it sucked. i never even got a test man until they made me my my appendix burst and they
put me in an isolation room with like i was a biohazard and said i couldn't leave that room
unless i got a test and i was like fine take your test um so they took the test and found out i was
negative and they could bring me to a regular room where I could see my wife.
And it was just like, this is so fucked up.
But yeah, that's the only thing you care.
You know, I mean, if I get shut down, I want to be shut down here.
I don't want to be shut down in America.
I want to be here.
You know, if they say you can't travel no more, all the borders are closed.
I would rather be here than anywhere else.
Or maybe Thailand yeah I had a similar situation no one passed away I'm sorry to hear that happened to you but I was my mom was sick for a while and it
was like I'm same as you I didn't want to get the shot and traveling and then
possibly being locked out of living in Thailand for good because it wasn't even clear that you'd be allowed to travel back.
Right. It was that mad. So you've made the right decision. It was just a really tough one.
That's the sort of night stuff from nightmares, isn't it?
Yeah. And it would really suck. Was it OK? My my godparents were the ones that stepped in when I was, you know, they gave me food and shelter for a minute and, you know, kept me alive when I needed to be.
So, you know, they've been in my life a long time.
And, you know, she was the one that was not going to take the shot.
He was one that said, you need to take the shot.
And that was the hardest part was, you know, he's calling me an idiot for not taking the shot he was one that said you need to take the shot and that was the hardest
part was he's you know he's calling me an idiot for not taking the shot and i can't go see him
because i'm not taking the shot you know it's just like this is i never saw this coming i never saw
it coming and you know like i never planned for i could never leave here unless i got if i couldn't
put my system that i don't want you know and i it's funny because i
put a lot of in my system that is not healthy for me but it's like when i'm being forced to put
something in my system i don't want to do it just because it's coming from authority
i'm stubborn like that and i'm a bonehead like that but i'm i'm glad i never took it
head like that but i'm i'm glad i never took it you know my wife's on the same page but that's her
own decision you know so she doesn't need to eat she don't like to eat fast food let alone
fucking stick shit in her system
yeah yeah i was the same i i kind of didn't take it a little bit through luck in a sense, but when they started trying to force it and like it was, if you don't have proof of Khao San Road at one point, which I just said I had.
But at that level, it's like, hold on a sec.
This is a bit too much.
Like you said, I never saw it coming.
And I'm a conspiracy guy. So when 2020 hit, I was like, what?
Really?
What?
Yeah.
Cowstown Road's changed a lot though
how long you been over there
when was the last time you were there
well I was there last year
okay
okay yeah
but from the first time I went to Thailand
it was really a cool road
now it's just chaos
yeah the cool roads have moved
down rambutri i guess yeah that when you when you come walking towards the temple and then you walk
around the temple there and on the other side of the temple i used to stay in a in a guest house
there it was called the bon sabai God, it was just like paradise.
And like you could walk up the street and that's, you know, you're in party land.
But it only cost us like maybe 15 bucks a night to stay there.
And it was a beautiful, original, old, not Thai place, but like it was gorgeous. It was gorgeous.
And then they turned it into a nightclub and i
was like oh man what a disgrace but you know progress what can you say it's right down by
that kickboxing school i don't know you know that area but i'm not sure in kawasan yeah just down
the street from kawasan so like you're walking're walking down Khao San and you walk to the temple, right?
Yeah.
And then you take a right and you walk down along the side of that temple.
And you keep going and it wraps around.
And in the daytime, you can cut through the temple to go through, but during the nighttime, you've got to go around.
And it was around the backside of that temple.
It was just a nice little serene place to be and you know me and my ex we were we were
importing exporting into uh actually importing into into japan from thailand so we were there
like all the time
it's amazing so i've spent a lot of time there been all over the place
wow i like i like pie i like to go to pie i used to like yeah i so what we do is we take the
the night train up right so it's it's a quite a ride on the train
you could fly up for within an hour or so but the night trains is pretty cool i mean it's just open
windows you're going through the jungle they stop or slow down periodically so you know the villagers
can sell you some food and you know you you go a point in time where you just sleep and it goes the rest of the way you
get off the train it's morning time walk up to the main road rent some motorcycles and head to pie
yeah it's a nice ride up through the jungles there
yeah you're damn right those trains are the way to travel in thailand took me like 15 years to
try one and i was like ah so you can sleep
overnight on one well that's good and you know they they like block the lock the cars so you
can't go from car to car so people can get violated and shit like that so um but you know it's it was
an experience it was great because i could you know i'm a smoker i could smoke and be in the in the
cafeteria area and have my coffee going up through the jungle like thick jungle it's like there's
nothing there uh it's a good experience back then i don't know if you can still do it now
well you've got the i guess you had added advantage of weeds legal now i guess it added advantage of weeds legal now. I guess it was when you came last time.
But I suppose they smoked a lot of weed up in the jungles up there in Chiang Mai in the past.
It's funny.
You go riding up there and you'd see these old ladies sitting on the side of the hill with a big bag of weed.
And they'd be chewing on this.
They chew on that black stuff.
I don't know what that stuff is they'd be chewing on this. They chew on that black stuff.
I don't know what that stuff is, but they chew on it. And it basically it's like nicotine or something.
It's just something they do.
And there's these old ladies that were sitting in there.
You come around a corner and they'd be sitting there
with this bag of weed, this huge bag of weed.
They'd be pointing at the weed, you know?
But I'd stopped smoking weed years ago.
So I never bothered with it, but, you know, but I or I'd stopped smoking weed years ago, so I never bothered with it.
But, you know, a couple of my friends that are there, I do.
But yeah, it's pretty much everywhere there now, isn't it?
I thought they were going to ban it again.
I think that's a bit of classic Thai propaganda where they say something to the
international media and then the reality is it's like when they said that prostitution has
been completely erased from Thailand and they'll like to show a police are walking around Pattaya
like look completely no prostitution it's like the whole city is but so I think it's the same
thing I don't think they're going to ban it again and the new prime minister and newton he's the guy that actually
brought weed in legally uh and now he's the prime minister so i don't think that'll happen it's
possible they might but i don't know i i think it's safely legalized it i mean i just got my
five-year visa i don't know if you were here when I told
my Apocalypse Now story, but yeah, five-year visa I've got now. Before that, I was like having to
leave the country every three months with almost no income. And now I've got a five-year visa. I
can just, I can't believe, half a decade. It's for anyone who wants to know, it's like three or
$400, a000 through an agency.
And then you can just come to Thailand for as long as you want.
Absolute heaven.
The DTV visa.
Well, when I come over next time, I'll sit down and talk with you about that just in case I want to get one.
Yeah, I would love to.
If we could do like a double parter, japan chia thailand uh double head of that
i'd get the fans out of the i'd get them traveling from canada the far shores of america
if they're coming from other americas yeah it'd be great because then you can hit two places
and they're in the same you know it's what five six hours from here right something like that
yeah yeah not too far
we'll have to make sure we're not all on the same plane together though that'd be a sudden travel by bike some underground train i've got
can i throw a conspiracy theory out there i've got a theory i'm gonna look out my window right now
just so that i'm definite i'm looking at the building now i think they've got a theory, I'm going to look out my window right now, just so that I'm definitely, I'm looking at the building now.
I think they've got underground train networks going across the world, and I think there's a station visible from my room in Bangkok.
And I think the elite have built them stealthily, so if the world goes one way, it's possible you might be able to get a train from Japan to Bangkok.
The big asterisk is if they've been
built underground which i think they have but that that's what that would be amazing like not having
to fly as well i wouldn't i i couldn't say that's impossible that's for sure because japan builds
underground all the time here i mean they've shit that we don't know about here.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
They were building one going through our town.
You'd see different spots where they're doing equipments and doing whatever.
These weird little spots that they'd have
where they're working underground.
And whether it's plumbing or it's trains you know because
they got they got their system here is just incredible it really is um when you climb
on a bullet train and you see how they've got it figured out you know and and with so
many earthquakes here they you know it's like as soon as the earthquake hits you know if
it's a big one they'll shut that train down all the trains just shut down you know because these trains are doing you know what
200 kilometers an hour through these cities and they can't have them derail so they they got
systems that shut them all down if it's nasty and start them back up the only time they ever delay is when somebody kills
themselves which is sad but it happens that's the shinkansen i guess yeah the the regular trains
so the shinkansen doesn't touch any road it's all elevated or it's underground one of the two it doesn't you
can't cross the chinkansen track because it's just there's too much going on it's you know
it would suck you under the train it's going so quick
so they have them separated from other people you can't you can't cross under sealed off so
not sealed sealed off you know the fenced off all the way so you can't you can't cross them they're sealed off so not sealed sealed off you
know they're fenced off all the way so you can't just walk across the tracks but they put a lot
of time and money into that but it's fascinating i try to climb on one every time i any chance i
can just because i love those trains yeah they're huge they're long they're heavy and they fly it's just like flying a little
bit slower but still they're they've got the new maglev coming they're trying to get that one going
and they'll probably do that between like osaka and tokyo or something to where you it what it
would take me to get to tokyo from my place is like two hours by Shinkansen.
It would be two hours, two from Tokyo to Osaka.
And I'm almost in the middle.
Maybe I was thinking that Shinkansen was powered by the maglev.
Is that a different technology?
Different.
Yeah.
The Shinkansen is actually on wheels. Oh, it it's so it's just a fast regular train
yeah really fast so like when they pass through my city they'll either have two trains parked on
either side so the trains can blow through there or even if there's no trains there they'll blow
through there because it's it's two tracks so it's a track away from being next to the train so it won't actually suck you under but if you're
standing next to it and it's flying by it'll suck you under so that's how fast they go pretty
fascinating stuff train spotters must be nervous to get too close to that one then yeah i mean they used to have
them having that's how they figured it out was somebody did get sucked under the train
like now when you when you're sitting on the shinkan standing let's say you're going through
a tunnel right you if you like where the seats are it's like sitting on an airplane right you
got the wall right there and if you put your hand between the seats are it's like sitting on an airplane right you got the
wall right there and if you put your hand between the chair and the wall when you go into the tunnel
you can feel the train compress and then you can feel the train compress even more when another
train is passing you in the tunnel so it just compresses the air so much it just it blows my
mind the tech and i came over to teach them how to build houses and it just blows my mind. And I came over to teach them how to build houses. And it just blows my mind that they even paid me money to do that because
these guys are smart.
They got buildings and buildings and buildings in Tokyo full of engineers.
Yeah.
The way they engineered like the,
the architecture to avoid the earthquakes.
It's just a different level.
It shows that we've got the power to do stuff like that.
It shouldn't just be the Japanese that can do it.
I mean, it's a unified knowledge base, isn't it?
Yeah, and they designed Tokyo with a huge underground deal
for water runoff so it won't flood.
So, I mean, look that up on the
interweb and you'll see it's huge. They think of everything.
Yeah, my thinking was that if they've got
underground trains, maybe the Shinkansen or maybe the
maglev was like a test for it so yeah the underground you would have
no problem with a magnetic uh it basically couldn't go wrong unless the tunnel fell in
you could shoot the thing at like the fastest speed possible and there'd be
in a tunnel with like magnetic rail where the train connects it you know the force isn't going
to be strong enough to derail it so So it'd be high speed, efficient underground.
You could sleep on the train if there's an underground train.
They've got the Channel Tunnel in England.
So we know we've got the technology to build something underneath a country as a train.
But if there is an elite, which I think there is, then that's the sort of thing.
I mean, if I was ruling the world, that would be my first thought.
We need a way of traveling that,
like I can get to Japan and LA on the second day,
dual Chia meetup, Thailand as well.
You don't wanna travel by plane,
it's too expensive and dangerous, like underground train.
So there you go.
And welcome, ignored to the stage as well.
Domone.
Yeah, dude. ignored to the stage as well domone um yeah dude um dude yeah the japanese are like super dope they're like uh i used to work at i used to work at a japanese restaurant as a dishwasher and the
the cooks were super like uh the the sushi chefs in the front were like super nice, but they were like super disciplined.
So they were like, don't ever touch my knife.
You know, and I was like, my bad, dude.
But yeah, dude, they're the same people that they were doing the hydrogen cars.
And then that got flooded because they were like, it's like a hydrogen bomb.
And it wasn't.
But they had to like,
they still adhere to things to make the world go around.
So they just like,
they're the same people that found,
like kind of put out the,
like the lurid is fountain in France or whatever.
That's like hydrogenated.
They like,
they built like a thing to hydrogenate water that like kind of equates to
the potency of that that like uh that spring or whatever and that shit's like saving people's
lives but like no one talks about it yeah well i know i know honda has some sort of hydrogen type car. how clean and like, I don't know, I like the cleanliness, but I also like the attention
to detail and then their ability to live in small spaces and be able to still express
themselves with streetwear or skateboarding or whatever.
They're really good.
Some of the best skateboarders in the world are japanese and uh there's a kid named yuto horigome and that kid is like
like when i say amazing it's like dude do you know where he's from um i could look it up right now
because i i know i i know there's skateboard parks all over the
place here and there's a one there's a big one in nagoya yeah that i've seen it's really like
their their people are like the same way people compare brazilians to being the best you know
like or the portuguese like it's like them they're like neck and neck with the japanese and the girls are really good
at like it's embarrassing for dudes nowadays the girls are so good and you're like holy shit did
she just do that and you're like that's like we haven't seen that ever like the evolution of just
things is crazy but yeah i don't i'm not trying to bombard the
combo i just really liked it and uh yeah they say nay is like a friend right nay is like friend
um that's what the yeah brother like oh maybe maybe it's slang for the younger people because like you would say
you're my you're my friend right yeah it's more like right yeah may is like hey you're down right
so it's like uh that's why i was like saying that because they used to say that to me
and i'd be like what's nay i've never heard me like and they're like
it's like endearing because it's it. And they were like, it's endearing.
Because it's kind of like you just said, are you right?
That's a good way to put it.
If you're older, it's like, right?
Would the question mark?
Yeah, because they'd be like, so does nay?
Which is like, that's right, right?
Yep, yep.
Literally, man.
Dude, I'm so fascinated with them.
And the Japanese girls that work there i was just always like god damn dude like man like let me just finish my job
dude like you know i was just like leave me alone well he probably didn't want you touching his knife
because it was worth too much money well yeah i watched them sharpen it every day and it was nice dude like
when they'd cut the paper it's just like melt when it hit the knife and you're like yeah i'm not
i wasn't trying to touch it i was trying to get your plate because that shit looked dirty and
he's like oh yeah because it say you're a carpenter here it's called a like if you're
a guy that works on temples which you're called a mie dike at that time because a carpenter here it's called a like if you're a guy that works on temples which you're
called a mie dike at that time because the carpenter is called a dike so you would say
to a mie dike which is dikes on which is like dikes on yeah it's on being certain like elevated
like it's like a yeah exactly it's a it's like a respect thing. Yeah. And then but they if you want to be one of them, you're going to spend your lunch hours and your break time sharpening everybody else's what they call, you know, your chisels and anything of that sort.
Sharpening the swords, right?
Yeah. And that you've got to. That's what you do as an apprentice is you sharpen all the time in fact when i was on a
job site one time and even though he's a two by four carpenter he's still he knows he's like a
meadike and he was he asked me you got any chisels i want this guy to sharpen your chisels he needs
to sharpen chisel i'm like okay i'm my chisel chart break so like i i don't
pay attention to that stuff you know it's a whole different and i understand i understand why you
wouldn't because here in the states people would take it as disrespect and like hey if you're
willing to do the work they're they're just they're just breaking you in right to see if you're gonna
because the whole thing is like if you act out of character and ask to help everybody
that's when that's when they go hey we don't know if we can we can trust you right so well
a lot of times when it comes to helping somebody it's like i've learned not to step up a lot of
times because i i'm that kind of person that will step in and help somebody but
you know it seems like every time i've done that here it's always gone south um
and it's like they're not used to that um if somebody really needs help like they're
like on the ground unconscious then i can help them but for the most part i know what you
mean because i like what i said sounded like uh offering the help but it's like they definitely
like work with like the natural order right it's like everything just kind of moves in flow it's
if you're offering help then you have a problem right and yeah it's well it's looking down on them it's like
they need help right it's like you're not good enough or it's because you're implying so yeah
implying that you know what's best for them when you don't even know what's best for yourself that's
why you're asking for help so it's like yeah i i definitely see that but when you're in america and
then like they're showing you, they even ask you too.
Like, hey, is it okay if I show you?
Right.
Because that's – like you were saying, it's disrespect to think that someone wouldn't know, which is like, oh, my God.
It's a different thought process here, totally.
Yeah.
I mean, Thai is more Western-style thought process.
But here it's backwards.
Thai, you said?
Yeah, in Thailand. I dated a girl from thailand i mean they have their own customs and stuff that they think their way but in you
know it's a lot of western influence over there um but in japan it hasn't changed much they have a way of thinking
so even with the skateboarders the skateboarders travel across the world and come there and they do this they do the x thing with their hands they just they put the x up they're like no no yeah
then they do the big x and then and people are like you know they don't even do that back where
we're from they just try to grab you or something.
I like the way they do it because it's a there is like a.
There's a courtesy to the way that they do things, you know, even if it's strict.
because I don't have to be Japanese.
Yeah, that's why I say it's peaceful for me here is because I don't have to be Japanese. They don't expect me to be Japanese.
They don't expect me to be Japanese.
And if I do something that's Japanese,
like what they would normally do,
like say maybe bow to somebody.
And if I do, I don't bow far.
They appreciate that.
Only sometimes I run into people that get mad because I'm not as fluent in Japanese as they
think I should be. And I think I should be. Part of that is it allows me to have that peace. I mean,
I can have a civil, superficial conversation with somebody. i could ask them on the phone certain things and
they would think that i'm fluent in japanese because i can say those things perfectly but
for the most part if i got in a real jam i'm screwed but i've i'm cool with that because i
don't want to have to hear what you got to say about me exactly dude that you're a problem solver to the fullest extent
you're like i know my battles dude hey if it's that bad i'm just not gonna say anything and it's
like um i can respect that too because it's like even spanish for me like because i grew up around
a bunch of spanish-speaking family and i I just learned how to maneuver, you know?
And then, like, you get down with, like, the slang or something, you know?
Some Spanglish or whatever.
And then all of a sudden, everyone loves you again.
So it's, like, just trying, like, the effort.
I know they like effort in the right circumstances.
There's people that just don't even care for it.
People who want to try will try.
People that don't won't.
Same in America.
You know, it's like I've been to restaurants where to say coffee, you say cohee, right?
Sounds pretty close, right?
Sounds pretty close.
Cohee, which means can I have some coffee?
And I'll say that. I'll go to a restaurant.
And in their mind, they see a foreigner, and they already in their mind, think that they
can't understand me. And I'll say it absolutely perfect. And then they'll look to the Japanese
with me, and they'll say the same thing. And they'll go, they'll mark it down on their little
tablet. And I'm like, I just said that, right said that right and they're like yeah but that mind block that they have in their head that they're not going
to understand anything that i say and i said it perfectly so it does happen but people who want
to understand will you know is their english pretty good uh some people you know if uh some
english is you know some of their english is broken up but you can
pretty much if you really want to understand them you will you know i mean it's good enough
you'll understand what they want uh it might be backwards you know yeah yeah of course the
the arrangement the cadence of how we're taught is actually backwards and everything else is
backwards which was forwards right so it's so confusing
so yeah the grammar is way different i i don't you know i mean i've said it before i've never i i
dropped out of school when i was 14 and i didn't really learn it i wasn't smart enough you know
i tried to do it and study right back in school i just i was like i don't want to get hit anymore
but you know it's like most people here are usually a lot of people and not most i should
say a lot of people at this point are english teachers when i first came over there was a lot
of carpenters here too and then you know like there's a few people that i've met that are just married to
japanese and they've got regular japanese jobs like they're businessmen i'm like wow that's
you know you level japanese pretty good to be able to do that uh now i'm seeing more and more
foreigners doing like amazon deliveries and that kind of stuff so uh they're here and you know they read and write japanese i mean i i can barely write my
own name yeah but i think i think it's cool that you're there because that's like for some of us
like that culture it's like permeated our brains in different ways you know And I won't try to talk on it too much, but through skateboarding,
all my best, best, best friends, dude, were Japanese.
And I was just like, man, dude,
they're like, you gotta come, bro.
Like, you know, I was just like-
What keeps you from coming?
It's what I wanna know.
Just myself, man.
And just feeling like I have too many things to do
when really I just need to put forth the time to expedite the passport and just feeling like i have too many things to do when really i just need to put
forth the time to expedite the passport and just go like i could be negligent i could be negligent
just like i was taught you know so it's just like i mean you come over i'll pick you up to the
airport man you won't have to worry about make sure you're taken care of. You're all right. Dude, I will literally come up. I'm not kidding.
But I'll make sure that it's serious when I tell you.
I'll make sure to be like, hey, I'm actually coming.
Yeah, you're going to have to because after this year, I plan on doing a little more traveling.
I'm stuck here because I've got a rental property that i've gotta get done and it all
the other subcontractors are busy so you can get shit done so once that's done i'm free again
are they building like how they build out here or they have like a certain set standard like
yeah they have codes here now i mean when we brought over two by four we basically gave them
our codes you know basically how to do stuff and how to how what you know this header has to be
this size and you know this is our door sizes or you know and then they were importing all the
all everything like everything they do everything smaller right yeah yeah everything is smaller so
what they ended up doing was they took our dimensions and restructured them to fit their
dimensions so like a four by eight sheet of plywood ends up being three by six because it's
smaller a four by eight sheet is hard for them to move around here and for hard for them to carry
especially when it's five eights like for the flooring of the roof or whatever you use it for and um so they've you know a lot of their sheets are half inch
because they're the way they build it now is is and japanese are lighter people like you don't
have a lot of like i go home i'm small i'm average here right it's like i go home and everybody's six foot tall
and you know they look like they go to the gym every day or they look like they go to the
fast food every day one of the two and they're just huge people and here they're smaller so they
can do things differently and yeah they've shrunk it down to their dimensions so uh it's i'm spoiled
now it's like i didn't want to i knew i
was going to happen to when i got here i was you know young and full of muscle and testosterone
and we'd pack shit around and now i'm like i'm sure glad these are only two guys six now
yeah you're like i'm actually trying to chill in your shit no i am i'm semi-retired and trying to stay on the retired side of things
it's because it like like the way i would acknowledge it is like they're literally just
like mimicking them themselves but like what they're coming from is like hey little means
you know what i mean is good because it doesn't like pollute your mind when you have
like the big gulp of everything all the time you know it's kind of it's hindering you know
because then you expect the extra serving for everything when i got here dude going to work
and stuff i had to eat two bentos to stay maintained because it was like just not that's
great they were probably looking at you like what the right i mean it was just there's portions were
small compared to america what i was used to eating in america to maintain to work construction
in america that he'd double here and now i'm i'm now i'm about eating the same, you know. It's like, so, like, if I eat a bento now, it's enough.
Yeah, because you adjust and you realize that, like,
we do exert too much energy for what we're, like, willing to do,
but the food is what will keep you, like, numb, right?
Like, if you eat a bunch of bread,
all of a sudden all those carbs are, like, going towards lifting a beam, like a metal beam.
And they're like, dude, we got a machine for that.
You know, you're like, you're like, dude, we actually picked that up with like four guys.
It's just crazy.
Like, so, but yeah, man, I just want to come and talk about, I just want to chime in on that.
But yeah, I'm glad that you guys.
I came up to rescue him because he was all by himself.
So, I mean, I thought you got, I was like was like how did how did drack just close the space i know he's
listening right now and i was like what was it like where's the where's the connecting beam
we're doing the hours right like there can't be no discrepancies but hey man i'm i'm i'm dumb are you guys waking up over there now or what
time is it should be like it's four for me but you know i'm a psychopath dude i just edited a
whole video and um it came out so good i was like damn dude like i'm supposed to be asleep but this video just made me realize i was
supposed to be awake so it's um it's only these times man usually i would be asleep and you know
probably have some shit to be obligated to now i have to like just make sure I keep up with everybody around me, too.
Yeah, I'll probably jump down.
It's about dinner time for me.
It's about steak, so.
My homie just made some thicken and some rice, and we were just in there,
and he just woke up.
I was like, yo, is the rice and everything good to go?
Like, he told me to wait. And we just scarfed right now, so.
That's another thing is when I got here, I never ate rice when I was at home.
And I eat it all the time.
They make it different, man, with the vinegar and everything.
It's way better over there.
The rice cookers are nice here, too.
Have you seen them make the sushi rice in the big wooden vat?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the best stuff man
but you definitely have to adjust because you're like is this gonna stick inside my intestines
but it's so good
but yeah i'm gonna drop down so somebody needs to come up and help this guy maintain this space unless you stay here hey i'll stay here i'll leave it you know it's up to edward though it's
it's up to his discretion well yeah i've got a little bit of nami hodai news quickly
you can get five dollar nami hodais in tokyo i've just usedT, so in the cheapest place. But you heard it here first, guys.
Chia Thailand and Chia Japan
may be coming soon.
The seeds were planted
today.
You gotta start practicing now.
Yeah.
Dude, you just
need to learn some Japanese
and get your ass over here
yeah i mean i know a little bit i'm just afraid to say it because i don't want to
mispronounce it i'm literally like that yeah you just say it it's all good yeah i guess
next face they say daijou jean orange is that a drac that's a drac i fell asleep last night with my space going so i
i assumed somebody recovered it i woke up and i was all in a panic
good morning edward how are you buddy there's no bridge yeah you're doing great
did we maintain it i fell asleep it was one of those couldn't hold my eyelids open
anymore we've got illuminates has got one running as well so if illuminate wants to come up i think
he's on the hosting time zone i'm happy to keep the space running but yeah i feel like this year
was the one where as soon as the space fell there was someone but
other people ready to start it immediately so yeah it's all good yeah epic that's all we
that's what we want that's what we did years before remember edward it was it's it's just a
matter of somebody get on it it's it's down so i was still running I fell asleep I was trying to
wait for you so I could do a handoff I don't know when the space shut down but
I see illuminate on the schedule so he's doing a space I'll jump over and see if
see what he's doing in it and well if if he's down and he's doing his space then we'll we'll
transfer everybody over um because edward you've definitely held it down over the night how was
your night did you have many many people or did you run solo or i'm just i've just sent an invite to illuminate i think
he's in this room so if you want to come up and we can go over to that room but yeah yours was
running for the longest time 16 hours and nine how long is it almost the whole way yeah so this has
only been an hour this space i just uh span it up and obviously a few people left there was like 50
in your room and then there's been what,
10 or something since then, but it's nighttime in America.
So I should think a lot of people took it to go to sleep as well.
So, so yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
We're going to battle that.
We're going to battle that a little bit,
schedules and the space staying up and whatever,
but we're just going to try to do what we can keep it going.
Like we're doing, um, illuminate on the schedule.
I think I might've messed up the schedule because I didn't have them on for the
slot. I was actually remember going to bed thinking, Oh shit,
I'm not sure if I have anybody,
but we're going to try to transfer when we can.
Or like if you have a room going and you want to try to go for, like, a stupid...
Like, I was hopeful that my Twitter would stay longer.
But 16 hours is not bad.
That's a good space.
So if you want to try to go long, you can.
But if you don't, like, not everybody wants to do that.
You know what I mean?
So you can hand off.
But we'll try to always respect people's time
if they've got something scheduled. But I think there's people like you and I that are,
we don't really care. We're just in for the long haul, right? So we'll see what Illuminate
wants to do. Oh, he's in the room, right? He said? Yeah, he's here. Awesome. Please come up if you want.
And also, Lee Potter, welcome to the stage.
Morning from Orange.
Good from Orange.
I fell asleep during drugs and woke up with the phone, like, burning the shit out of my side.
And that got me back up.
rolled over and that got me back up.
But I had heard, I guess,
so I had spun back over and it was like playing jazz, I guess.
So I had started over and said,
maybe pop back over to this one, I guess, or something like that.
But anyway, yeah.
So while not necessarily my time of day, I definitely
want to come and say hi to
people while they were still here, or
as they were arriving, so
anyway,
yeah, I'm still in the middle of, like, trying to get ready
to move, I'm leaving, but
the, when I
was still up, I heard
Gooby talking, so is the
S1 off a little bit?
Yeah, the S1 is a slight delay
for larger end results.
So Gene had said...
He said not weeks,
but not six months and not weeks,
somewhere in between, I think,
is the insinuation that we got the direction we got
thank goodness for me because like payday is like the 26th and I heard you going
if people don't buy fucking XCH during this space you know
and or you know if the S1 hits while this space is going on
and people don't have it and I'm just and I have it but then you guys keep dropping dank shit on the
timeline and I just screw myself every time and have to have that instead i'm the same way between
paying server fees and and buying dank shit from friends and stuff i never have any
oh yeah yeah oh in fact because i'd missed out on some of the keys to the lot yeah i so i was
like well i'm buying two of the fucking this and then three of that you know
i would never presume to ask something like that it's you know just not cool You're about to go from being my neighbor to the south to being my neighbor to the north.
I'm actually moving to New Bromples.
I want to say probably.
There now than I am.
So be careful because I'm predictable.
I might move with the wind, brother.
No, but I'm sorry. I'm move with the win, brother. No, but I'm sorry.
I'm only going to say Marcus.
I'm going to be somewhere on the, I guess,
closer to San Marcos than I am, even though I'm in South Austin,
but I'm about to be off of 725 area.
That's good.
I mean, hey, man, it's the pace.
It's way more true.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah no I'm bad dad dance it's for say I mean this is somebody I trust and she's got a house and we've been roommates I
don't know cuz 18 years ago but but her her job kind of keeps her on the road
and my like I said my my apartment complex just essentially doubled their
lease price without you know much morning but it's it's it's
like it's because they're gonna you know they claim that they're gonna you know
be building stuff and all it's like no no they're just here running people out
and not giving them new contracts while they maintain looking to flip the
thing or just waiting for the next developer you know Austin is. Oh, you put new paint on. Wow. You know, it's like, okay.
What are you guys talking about?
I'm still two years older than the building.
You know, it's like there's still a cracked foundation.
Yada, yada, yada.
You know, it's the way the world.
You know what you did.
It's just like, yeah.
Yeah, until someone slams the door hard
and then the foundation recrafts again so you know
but if that goes but anyway
I'm sorry I don't want to bore anybody with that
if you guys need me I'll be around
yeah I'm going to get out of the way but I'll
make sure I got the phone where it can heat up and fucking slam me again
if nothing else but thanks for letting me come on guys I'll get out of the way but i'll uh well i'll make sure i got the phone where it can heat up and slam me again if nothing else but thanks for letting me come on guys i'll get out of the way
is track still in here
yep i'm sorry okay i was just gonna say like between me and edward we've got the times that if you want to
make one of us a co-host during your space when you're crashing out we can keep it going um i'll
try to be here when you guys are getting to your red line and i was in there uh all from the
beginning all the way till it crashed but i slept through the first six hours and made it to
bullish his deal and but by when you guys are sleeping we're up so we can that's amazing phase
yeah it's great and you know we're counting on when when people you know i fell asleep last night
obviously i did like 16 hours or something yesterday um Anybody in the crew should pick it up.
It's kind of like a torch in a marathon, right?
Yeah.
Which is exactly what we're doing as a marathon.
So anybody in the crew should spin one up if it goes down
and there's nobody around to pick it up.
If there's, you know, Illuminates on the schedule now
and he wants to get up and take over, then, you know,
we make him co-host, we kind of hand the room off off and if ever wants to keep his going keep it going if he wants to hand
it off we hand it off but the main thing is is like you said if somebody passes out room drops
we uh we coordinate and get one back up edward there's also in the uh
also in the uh the group chat there is an account that we're all sharing for 222 co-hosts so say
you're running solo and you got a second device and you can you need a co-host to keep the room
stable there's there's an account there that we're all sharing so between that and everybody
like you're saying satan we just if we the ball, somebody falls asleep or the room drops, then we try to pick it up.
And then we just watch the schedule, be respectful of the schedule.
People have time and like illuminates time, I think is now.
So if like he wanted to come in and take over the room and he's got something
planned, then, then he should do it.
If Edward wants to keep the space going, then, you know,
you've got a perfect scenario where somebody can co-host and somebody can
keep it going. So just be adults about it.
You know, use their common sense and keep this bitch going.
Right on.
Well, I'm stepping out, so y'all have a good one.
I'll be back later.
Yeah, you too, man.
I'm only on four hours sleep right now, so I'm going to let Edward keep taking it for a second
and see what Illuminae wants to do, and then I'm going to start to get my morning organized here.
But thanks, Satan. appreciate it, man.
Thanks for hanging out in such a long space and everything.
I hope you have a great night.
Right on.
Thanks.
so strange to hear you all think it's Satan
Satan's angel
Shaitan
we've got illuminate on the stage welcome I don't know if you've got any topics you want to
go for because you're on the schedule so yeah i'm good to do whatever
you and everyone else wants to do i'm happy to keep it running but uh i'm i'm really good with
uh whatever you want
whatever you want
hey how's it going edward hope everyone's doing good today uh i'm just chilling hanging out
you know just starting the space to really just hang out with everyone
maybe do some giveaways maybe do some little things with ai but i know it's a little bit late early for everyone I am
actually streaming the fifth element into discord on tangy right now as well I
saw it was free on YouTube with ads so I was like oh you know what I'm gonna put
that on the other monitor and just have that stream into discord anyone wants to
hang out in there that's awesome we should totally do a movie night some night we should put it on the
schedule and plan i didn't even think about that but we could totally have a movie night as one of
the events that's great yeah i didn't know what else to fill the time with so i was like oh let
me just stream a movie we should stream and watch ready player one or something some night and put it right into the
video feed in x or something or like some nerdy movie like an old school one like wizard or
something you remember the wizard with fred savage the nintendo game movie do you remember that
my first thought was Willow.
Willow, why do I remember that?
Willow.
I can't picture it, but the name sounds familiar.
It's like a fantasy, almost like Lord of the Rings vibes.
Nice. So tell me, Edward, how did your night go it was all right yeah i mean i love i woke up this
morning bangkok time and uh gui was on a rampage and i was listening to him for a fair while it's
really interesting and obviously the pemuto stuff broke in your space so that was yeah
yeah really interesting not unsurprising in a sense and i listened to a bit in the night and
yeah i'm curious how you thought the space went and uh i thought it was really a really great
start i think we had a little bit of slow start bullish came in and i mean the guy's a hype man he's all hype man so it was really great we had a lot of of slow start. Bullish came in and, I mean, the guy's a hype man.
He's all hype man.
So it was really great.
We had a lot of fun when Bullish was up.
And then Steve and I are in the back channel going, oh my fuck, we're going to be so boring after Bullish.
Which is just the nature of Bullish.
He's just very, you know, he's a lot.
He's amazing.
He cracks me up man just
just his energy and everything so uh that was really great and then we got on with steve after
and the flow started going we had a really great chat with all of steve's stuff and we did the steve
roast i still have a roast coming for you edward i'm a little worried how hard it's gonna go after
i listen to everybody else because i'm going to put something conspiracy theory related in there.
I don't want them to go too crazy on you, because some of them, man, they got harsh.
I don't know what was with my prompting, but I nailed it as far as roasts go.
We had a lot of fun with the roasts. It was good.
So it's going good so far.
Everybody seems to get the idea and the gist of it.
I think some people are like, oh, what next?
What next?
As if it's got to be this something after something.
But, Edward, you're a vet.
You know how it goes.
Monkey's a vet.
There's a whole bunch of just hanging out.
And then somebody drops in and shit lights up and so on and so forth.
So I'm really excited about the whole week.
I'm anticipating low sleep.
I'm stocked up on Advil in case I get migraines.
But I think Gene coming in was great.
And the whole Permudo thing and all the difference changes the something 40 company he had
a loss just as lost as when he first started and then he was so kind to explain things and i was
like hey gene can you dumb it down he's like sure man no problem dumb it down i felt dumber because
i didn't get the dumbed down version so you know there's that whole thing but i mean obviously when i hear slow as time lord say
i'm really excited or gooey be like yeah this is insane then i just shut the hell up and listen and
go okay this is big oh man it's cold here in the mornings now. It's like winter here.
I was working at the time and I heard him come in and I'm kind of listening in one of my earbuds while I'm on a phone call with a client trying to reconcile a few years of books.
And I hear Gene just going off on explaining everything.
And, yeah, I was a bit lost at first as well luckily
we got some good people in the community breaking it down reading some of the
summary posts from I think cheer farmers as well as so this time Lord really
helped break it out break it all down so still confused just like you Jack but
man everyone's saying that we're going in the right direction even harder. So I'm excited.
Yeah, well, you know what got me excited was I heard Gene's... Hold on, I'm trying to hunt down my laptop.
What did I do with that?
I heard Gene's say something to the effect of the SEC basically told them
basically told them that they're not thinking big enough?
that they're not thinking big enough.
That to me was like, okay, all right, this is no joke.
If the SEC is saying, you know, you can do this with more things.
Exactly.
And I'm sure there's a lot more direct information that they're being told,
that they're working on, and I'm sure Gene knows a lot more direct information that they're being told, that they're working on.
And I'm sure Gene knows exactly where all this is headed on the larger scale of things.
And they just can't disclose the information.
But if all of my inclinations are correct and the gut feelings that I'm getting from all the pieces getting put together,
especially with what they might be talking about on the back end. Man, it's going to be epic.
You know what it feels a little bit like?
Have you ever seen those videos where some artist comes in
and they're just throwing the paint all over the canvas
and you're just looking at it like, what?
It looks completely chaotic.
They're going all the way.
There's all kinds of paint on the canvas and
you're still sitting there looking at like i don't get it what is it and then they're using their feet
well they turn it around and they painted the whole fucking thing upside down that's why you
couldn't tell but then it comes out like this masterpiece that's what i feel like gene's doing
we're all just sitting there like with our heads slightly to the side,
like I don't quite get it.
What?
And then he's going to come out and be like, flip, by the way, mic drop.
Yeah.
No need to squint.
Exactly.
No, no need to squint.
Just wait, just wait.
And you will see.
Okay.
Let me see. Yeah. Let me see.
Yeah, schedule.
I got to update the calendar.
Sorry, go ahead.
The schedule thing threw me off a little bit because on my side, I think on the website, it was showing like, oh, local time, but then EST.
And then in the calendar on the email address that that i used it was completely different from the one
that i see on my phone so i don't know sorry man i think that was probably some crossover between me
bullish taking my my my shitty spreadsheet calendar and turning it into a really cool
site was you know but i think he's got it mostly figured out now. Yesterday he put in a time zone thing into the website.
So I think the website is accurate.
I actually didn't have you.
Maybe I'm looking at the.
Oh, no, I did have you in.
Whoops.
I did have you in.
There's two schedules.
I think it was that I didn't have a topic for you.
So then I was thinking, yeah, it's the two.
So there was an error on one schedule.
I don't know. I just wanted to be here to hold it down in case, you know, it was needed.
No, it's perfect because it's absolutely perfect. We need people to do that because,
like, I tried to let it go all night, but I fell asleep. The phone keeps going. Oh,
God, the dog's barking. Things are going to happen. I was trying to explain this to bullishly bullies the
very regiment right he wants to wants to have the schedule and everything that's
right which is bullish was part of why I love the guy he's a hard-ass worker so
once I cut my dog out what was my point shit sorry i got distracted lucy goosey oh things are
gonna happen and like so bullish had his space planned for yesterday and then gene shows up and
come on daisy um gene shows up and you know the schedule goes totally out of whack and it's like
well he's all like well i don't know what to what to do because I don't want to be taking other people's space because his time got chewed up by Gene.
And he had a whole thing planned and it was a whole bullish thing.
And it was like, bro, you might as well get used to it in these spaces.
You just don't know.
We have a schedule to help guide it.
But, you know, it's Edward knows.
It's just you got to take it as it comes.
So Bullish was all upset, all uptight about taking it, going into Steve's time.
And it's like, man, like Steve don't care.
It's Steve, right?
Like we'll push back, take it easy, relax.
But Bullish does the production, right?
And it's a lot of work.
So I get where he's coming from.
But we'll make it work
yeah definitely we're all here just vibing we all understand
come on good girl
yeah man it's uh there's i mean if there was a way to plan 222-hour space perfectly so that it just wouldn't...
I mean, somebody tell me how to do that, but I can't even imagine that in my head,
how that would work to be so perfect.
How about something through a wallet connected to Chia, like Sage Wallet,
and WebRTC just links the piers, and then nothing in between to cancel them.
That could be a...
TangTalk rocket layer?
Yeah.
TangTalk rocket layer what?
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I have.
I tried it.
Tried really hard, actually.
It just, I mean, the code's still there.
Maybe someday I'll revisit it.
But I tried to do
a spaces inside tank talk there's actually I think it's just in the dev version I don't think
I pushed that broken code up um but there actually is a replica interface to inside the tank talk uh
of spaces and I did hook it up with WebRTC and we did get it going almost working I was able to
get two or three people in streaming all on Tang Talk with with no service it was but dude it's
really hard it's really way harder than I thought because you got to do all kinds of janky with all the different audio feeds coming in sync them up timing it's a whole i learned a lot
but you're right we need the something that tied to your wallets gives you notification
no servers but then you know edward we get into that area, and now the Tang Gang has
their own Twitter. I mean,
shit would just get wild.
Tang Gang's got their own
internet, their own, you know.
Jesus.
I think it would be
really cool if
the community feature, I think in X, allowed to have Discord-type spaces, where it's like a community space.
It'd be cool if we could have gated spaces somehow, so you could have private ones, definitely.
Yeah, that'd be nice. Some encrypted ones.
The shit that would get said in those rooms if you knew they were
private what's your crew oh my god i'd be so careful walking into a tang gang space to be like
just a tip tiptoe my way in here
those lurkies would be crazy oh my god yeah lurky be like we can't even do it guys sorry
that's just like we don't need we don't need the fbi at our door yeah like we had to ban you sorry
yeah freedom of speech doesn't even want you guys sorry
um so this morning we're going to have T-Money.
It's a weekend.
We usually don't do TLDR in the morning,
but we're going to chase T-Money and the Good Morning Show this morning.
And then today we start doing the hackathon stuff.
So hopefully Bullish is around.
He's kind of slotted in for an hour or two of hackathon stuff so um hopefully bullish is around he's kind of slotted in for
an hour or two of hackathon we're going to go over like the rules the guidelines of what we're
trying to do try to get everybody on the same page see if we can get everybody there and uh
if we can and we get everybody in in the right understanding of what we're trying to do and everybody off they go,
it should be pretty fun for the week.
It should be pretty good.
I'm looking forward to it.
I'm not sure what I'm going to build yet.
I've got to gather and assemble my team.
But there's a lot of people.
Mayor of Abandonland said he may take a time
he's like I got like a month's worth
of holidays that I have to
use at work he's like I might take a week off
for this and come join in I was like oh my
that's uh
that would be amazing
that's awesome That's, that would be amazing.
That's awesome. Yeah, I don't think I have the time to do it,
but one thing that I would like to do,
and again, I'm not a coder at all.
If anything, I'd be using some like Vibe coding tools.
What I would be trying to do is creating
like an accounting software to get everything done,
since that's like my my background
my career uh that's what i would try to do nice well there's there's plenty of need for it because
there's idiots like me everywhere that don't know how to do that stuff
yeah i think creating like um an application to connect to something like QuickBooks would be pretty crucial.
Just have every, you know, have it scan, scan for all the transaction information, bring it in, have it all sorted, do some of the calculations for FIFO really for just calculating the lots. and then just a matter of categorizations should be pretty simple but again I don't know because I
don't know any of the technicalities regarding the coding it always seems simple until you get into
it I don't know how many times I've built things that I'm like I had no problem then you get into
and you're like well I didn't see that coming that's a big one yeah like I have all the logic
out for how to calculate all
the FIFO how to get everything done regarding the categorizations and
deciphering you know the transaction hashes and everything but I don't know
anything about integrating that into actual coding
dude you'd be surprised it's not that hard nowadays to to build just about anything
if you've got all the kind of business logic sorted out that's kind of a big part of most
uh software devs having all that business logic sorted out so if you have it it's organized well
even with vibe coding i'm sure you'd be surprised at what you can do.
Yeah, I've had it mapped out for a while.
It's been something that's been kind of like a little side project on the back end, piece by piece over the years.
Well, let me know if you ever want help getting you started.
I mean, I can show you some tools and get you set up at least.
And then you can with vibe coding now,
you know, it's easy for me to get somebody up and running,
go here and now you go play with it.
It was before, you know, I'd leave them with this setup.
You can never say that here, just go play with it.
They look at me like it was insane, but you can totally do it now.
So if you want a hand with just getting something infrastructure set up so that you can play i'm happy to do it
that'd be cool i think i think it'd be uh very good because the only uh the only other software
that's out there that to analyze like you know all of your crypto stuff is really just to sum it all
up and give you the net totals for tax purposes but it isn't
really necessarily uh there's no real good service or software out there to integrate it for like your
everyday like monthly or weekly bookkeeping needs or for your quarterly or annual taxes at all so
So, I don't know.
i don't know it seems like it needs to be filled
Seems like it needs to be filled.
That's where the best shit's built.
Fill the need, man.
Solve a pain point is really all I ever think when I'm building something.
It's like, does it solve a pain point?
Is there enough people out here that hate this shit that makes it worthwhile?
I tell you from my personal experience, I hate taxes.
I hate dealing with them.
I hate finance.
I don't like anything to do with it.
I can't stand working in crypto.
It's hilarious.
I can't stand doing finance.
I hate it.
It's when it's like when I go dyslexic, man,
somebody puts a piece of paper in front of me and go,
here's a math problem.
And I'll be like, Ooh, let me try to do it and i'll have fun but somebody
puts it down and goes these numbers are just like the other numbers that you enjoyed but these
numbers are taxes i'll immediately it's like my head goes fuck you and just swaps all the numbers
as if i'm dyslexic it's just like nope you're not doing this. Same thing with charts and numbers and LPs.
And when the gang gets going on about full range, this liquidity provide,
that over here swaps.
Man, I'm telling you, I am that guy in the meme with all the numbers
and stuff swirling around his head.
You see taxes to me and I immediately get an extra chromosome.
I can't do it. I don't know how you do it, man. I hate it. I hate it.
Just hire somebody. I could never sit down and do the things that you're doing. Oh my
God, my head would hurt. I need people like you in my life.
my head would hurt. I need people like you in my life.
I don't know. I've been,
I just threw myself into it at such a young age that it,
it's pretty second nature to me. And it's just like a puzzle,
just piecing everything together. So I don't know that truly,
truly the best part about it all is,
is helping someone who is similar to you where they're like, I don't know what I'm doing.
I haven't touched my books in years.
I am stressing out and I can just hop in and get everything done in like a 20 minute, 30 minute call.
Oh, my God.
It's a great feeling.
Are you for hire?
Do you want a job?
Yeah, definitely, man.
I could never do that.
I just go
it's such an anxiety point for me i can't stand it and in and
so one divorce one breakup that was basically like a divorce so it's kind of like two two
divorces and i tell you dude you got to go all through your finance it's like you know they root everything it's so
intrusive on top of stressful and then my own oh god i just like i it could be that i hate
that sort of stuff because i'm like traumatized by because i've basically spent 10 years of going
over it and over it and over it and it's just like oh my god you can squeeze that
cloth that rag all you want there's only so much water coming out of that shit anymore
you can oh so i don't know maybe i'm traumatized from doing that type of stuff but i can't i just
oh for sure the way you described it man it seems like immediately when you see that and you hear the word, you're immediately triggered.
Oh, God.
It's just bleh.
Yeah, I want to throw up when I hear it.
But kudos to you.
Yeah, I don't blame you.
If you're ever looking for a side gig, I could use support.
Brad and I could use it.
We have an account.
He's really expensive.
And then between lawyers and businesses yeah but if you ever would like we could use a
bookkeeper somebody's kind of like every other week it's just like here you dummies
you should have done this let me organize that shit for you that's exactly where I
come into play oh yes perfect perfect well i'll give you a call yeah
i'm here to help just overall like if you guys uh need help with anything you know i just like
helping so yeah i won't air our business out here to ask you questions here but yeah definitely um
we're always looking i you know for me i like to do business with people that i know i like to do business with people that I know. I like to do work with people that I know show up all the day.
I'm not a big fan of an on internet remote from a distance,
never shook your hand kind of business.
That's just not how I like to operate.
I'll literally keep going to somebody who does shitty work because their
customer service is good. And they're from like my hometown.
It's like, I'll just keep going to them. I like them. Yeah.
It's kind of, you know i'd always rather turn the work inward um thick takers is gonna start doing some work with me try things out see if he can pick up where i'm at and if he can
then um probably gonna bring him in for some part-time development work while things are
ramping up with the company and stuff so the same thing with accounting or anything graphic design what I'd
much rather you know support the hands that feed you you know this group keeps food on the table
for my kids so I'm not gonna turn around and hire some foreigner in Canada who just came here and is gonna do my books like get the fuck out of here that's not happened yeah I completely understand
I'm not too familiar with the Canadian side of things since I'm in the US and
that's where all my experience has been but I'm sure I can easily pick up on all
of it our businesses in is in the States.
The only time it becomes complicated is like my,
my salary or whatever,
of which I don't take one right now. So it's,
it's kind of easy right now because for our first year was basically
anything that I spent on personal was,
was alone in first year business because mostly everything was just either
balancing out expenses and all that stuff anyway.
But the Canadian stuff, basically from what I gather,
or what you can assume, what I'll tell you is what it feels like is the norm.
This is how I think about it in my head.
Okay, I could make this much this year.
I'll lose 75% of that in taxes.
Okay, that's gone.
I have about this to work with at the end of the year if I'm doing it.
And then it's like, oh, yeah, and I'm only allowed to make so much crypto.
And they get all my tax.
Oh, yeah, never mind.
I'll just assume I have no money and I have to make an extra 20 for the lawyer's fees and i just i'll assume
none of what i work for in the run of a year is mine it's either canada's or you know survival
that's basically how finance works here in canada you're not allowed to have any they're just going It's fucking insane, man.
Anyway, I'm not going to care.
It's crazy.
66% capital gains on things like home sales and shit now.
It's crazy.
That's wild.
Man, I can't even imagine. when are you moving to the states i work i work nine months for free dude i work nine months a year for free easily easily by the time
i pay my 50 or my 48 percent or whatever income tax fucking bullshit by the time you pay our environmental
whatever carbon giving it to the wokies tax dropping billions on ukraine while we all start
like whatever you want to cut like we're just it's so taxed and then on top of it anyway it's all
falling apart is all i'm going to say it's all falling
apart up here you got to work nine months for free just to survive here it's nuts
luckily just your company in the states though to help with that so oh 100 we almost went to malta
when we first started it we were like man let's go offshore away stash the crypto you know mad gains but
but then reality hit of well if we sit on it with with regulations uncertain and then we start
moving it overseas now we're into the territory of if you need lawyers to argue why you did it
now you got to fly to malta to just litigate. And it's a whole
thing. And it was like, oh, we're not, we're not that big. We're not that good. We can't,
we can't do that yet. So we actually got Gene Hoffman, uh, to refer us to a lawyer,
um, Preston. And he basically was like, no, do it in the States. So yeah, we opened up in the
States. Canada was, uh, was just not even even an option it's like not a chance were we ever going to start anything in canada so yeah we
did the whole delaware corp thing which was a which was a great move because it does it does
protect us a fair bit canada nice that's the word yeah, I'm glad we did that. I'm glad we got some advice because I wouldn't know what to do.
Yeah, good thing you had in there to guide you along that
because, man, I can't even imagine the headache that you'd be dealing with
if you did incorporate in Canada and keep it there
well I would have lost an insane amount of it it would have been and we made a
lot of money off tank talk we did really well for for not planning to or even
trying to we did extremely well but I'm glad we had
people because I there was I had no idea what to do that was that came out of
left field Tang talk was yeah I've never experienced anything like that before
that was insane the government would have happily latched on to all that and be like thank you
we just had one of our we just had one of our big political leaders christia freeland she's
basically was trudeau's like woke cuck, loser crazy, right hand man.
She was she was insane.
Anyway, she just dropped like 20 billion over to Ukraine was like, hey, we're going to do the nice thing like Canadians do.
We're going to give everybody's tax money away to a war that we're not involved in.
We're going to give away 20 billion or 40 billion.
It was some gross number.
And then she turned around and quit and was like,
by the way,
I'm going to work in Ukraine.
And it's like,
you just gave them $20 billion.
What are you doing?
You gave them our money and your money.
It's insane up here,
dude.
If you're into finance and you're really dug into Canadian economy,
it's,
it's,
I mean,
you,
you,
you just shake your head.
It's like,
what do you,
what?
That math does not math.
But...
Yeah, it's usually blurry even before I start shaking my head.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Once you got in, you'd be like, no way.
You just facepalm everywhere.
Yeah, I usually just look the other way in disappointment.
Yeah, yeah. yeah i usually just look the other way and in disappointment yeah yeah i truly hope i truly hope things change in the right direction
that's what's needed i do too man i do too i i mean i'm lucky in the situation as bad as it is
in canada it could be worse for me and my family,
but I'm lucky because I get to work from home.
So worst case I'm wealthy as fuck as far as my lifestyle goes,
broke as shit as far as finance goes.
So I'm a little more fortunate.
I don't have to go do the nine to five and put my kids in daycare and pay an arm.
I mean, can you imagine 1500 bucks a kid for daycare and i got three kids i mean like there's not
i mean i could i have a well-paid debt and i still it just i mean four thousand forty five hundred
dollars a month would be insane for for day i don't know P I have no idea maybe I've been out
of the out of that life for too long but I have no idea when I look at my best
friend Fox and I think to myself like how how are you doing that it doesn't
make sense to me in Canada how people are pulling through in a lot of cases like he works 60 70 hours a week manual
labor installing roofs or building this or you know fixing that like he's a hard working
tradesman man like works his ass off and then he pays like three grand a month in rent and it's
it's half your fucking paycheck it's like more than happens i don't the state
up here dude is as well but i hear the states are you know you guys got your own problems too
yeah but up here it's nuts yeah i don't know i don't know what type of local laws you have for
uh like rent control or like uh rent increases like year over year on any of your leases.
But I mean, where I'm at, I'm currently living in an apartment here on the West Coast.
And the minimum that they raise the rent per year is around 5%.
And typically it's a lot higher.
It's a lot higher than that.
And I mean,
you know,
already with inflation,
you look over year over year averages,
you know,
it's right around that rate,
if not higher,
depending on the year.
So it's very interesting how the calculations are made to determine what
they legally can and can't do as a minimum.
But typically they, they try to hit the max and it's somewhere around like the 8% range when they can.
I was fortunate enough to be able to negotiate with my landlord and lock in like a low rate for the next few years that I plan on being here.
But and I feel bad for my neighbors who haven't
reached out or don't don't try to negotiate at all that's yeah it's very sad yeah man i i just
it's it's i'm lucky that i i own my home because it uh i can't imagine paying the rates and stuff
and and to to find out your rent is going up or something you know eight percent
to somebody who's just making it but as you know nothing matches you know the wages don't go up
uh in sync with with costs and stuff so i i don't know in my simple mind i i scratch my head on it
a lot because i just think to myself there there there must be a breaking point somewhere
like you could you you you can bend this wood as much as you want but at some point i i just in my
head i think it's got a snap and and and i'm surprised again in my like pleb numbers head when
numbers are swirling around it's like i maybe i'm doing my math wrong it's
like maybe maybe it's me maybe maybe i totally out of whack because everybody's but man i mean
at some point at some point the economy is is it seems to me like there's going to be a
as uh large enough what's the term i'm looking for uh disparity between between the the two ends
of it that you know it's got to i would think doesn't it or i mean or can it just keep bending
and bending forever and the gap keep getting bigger like how do you how does an economist
figure out where that snap point is?
You know?
I think what makes it really hard is the growth rate of the population and just the numbers of the people that we have.
It's such a large amount of people.
Oh, yes. looks like there's a little bit of an echo there not sure if you're driving right now edward
if you are be safe um yeah there's such a sheer like just such a large amount of people out there
that it makes it so difficult to understand the wealth shift and the money moving around but i think you're right there
is a breaking point and it comes to it comes to uh the point where the money gets inflated so much
that you know when are when are we going to hit a breaking point? It's very hard to tell because we have so many programs in place to help cushion everything.
And there's so many factors that come into play with that as well.
And random opportunities that pop up as well in the economy for people to work in different
areas and different segments of the economy.
The main thing that I think a lot of people might be like envisioning or seeing
on the horizon is potential restructure of the backing of the dollar because, you know,
it's everything's fiat right now. But if ideally, you know, we can get some other assets behind
it. Maybe, maybe just maybe things can be restructured a little bit. But who knows?
maybe just maybe things can be restructured a little bit but who knows
yeah i don't know man i i just go day to day it's like are the bills paid today yes okay great
then i can worry about the bills tomorrow are they paid yes okay i i just in my head i'm always
like to what date do the bills stop okay there, there, there's my worry point, right?
You know what I mean?
From there on.
I can't keep up with it.
I just got to hope that hanging out with the right people who are very financially, you know, studied, that hopefully I'm in the right direction.
Hopefully my friends are smarter than me like I think they are, and I'll head head down the right path with them because otherwise man I don't know just like give me put something in front of me and tell me
you need something done that's that's that's that's where I thrive but you put sheets in
front of me and say figure the numbers and fucked so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna hang on man and
pray yeah I mean we have other people around you that really care you know and they're willing
to help pick up some of that delegation you know that's what matters the most having that community
there a thousand percent i mean this is one of those strengths of of this community is that
people really do care now people care to a point i'm sure when it comes, there is a point for most people
where usually it's, you know, around their money or their health or something of the nature where,
you know, personalities can change quickly. I've learned this over the years, as I'm sure many have.
So there's always everybody's breaking point, kind of like we were saying, or I guess a point where
some might say, no, listen, blood is thicker than anything. Like that's how
my family operates. There's nothing that would come between me and my family. Nothing, nothing,
absolutely nothing, not a war, not a mountain, not anything. Um, so, you know, everybody's got
a point, but this, this group genuinely, genuinely, genuinely cares about one another.
And I, I've, I've not seen it in years all
the years of working with teams professional teams teams that have been
trained to work together you know teams that have have gone through your
companies have gone through great lengths to team building exercises and
all this stuff and they don't come they don't come even close to what can be done in this group on a regular basis, just by people with no coordination.
Like, Bullish and I are constantly crossing paths, constantly working together, and we never make a plan.
It's never really pre-space.
It's just, I'm here, you're here, we're both trying to get work done.
What do you need?
You know?
And this group is, it's really special.
And I talk about it often, and I don't mean to rant about it, but I do so because I'm not sure that everyone understands.
And I look at it from the development side, right, because that's what I'm here doing.
And I look at it from the development side, right?
Because that's what I'm here doing.
But there's a lot of that good.
I don't think people realize just how shit it can be sometimes in the development world of like, here's your ticket monkey code.
Get it done.
Ticket it in.
Slot it in.
You know, like process.
And here you get the collaborative, but you get the creative and you get the freedom and you get the explorative.
There's just there's so much more substance to the community here than you get out of a pod of six devs who are really don't want to be there.
You know, this group is special.
this group is special just the act of showing up here every day the way that so many do that's
that's that to me is the the special mix in the in the mixing bowl of this this wonderful cake
that is the tank a layer cake but it's the showing up every day i wouldn't
i'm way more apt to engage with people that I see every day than otherwise, because trust is actually a very big thing that's required in the space of trustlessness.
I don't care how trustless something is.
If I don't know you on the other side, I don't.
You know, I shouldn't say that.
I do like the A-non stuff a bit, but you get my point.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, you can only go so far.
Yeah.
But this group is cool, man.
It's really cool. I cherish it
very much.
I don't think
I'd ever get this anywhere else.
Especially at my age
now.
And definitely in the IRL world, because it's just not the same. But I think it would pull, I find, in this that has helped to manufacture it.
And I don't think anybody could replicate it.
So that's that kind of like special sauce.
You know, it's similar to, you know, you having the lottery ticket of life in this universe.
It's there's so many kind of neat things that would have had to happen through space and time for all of it to land here.
And I find that really cool when it comes down to the community that I get to surround myself with
because you see it in little magical pockets everywhere and then you see the little connections
which turn into this beautiful web of you know our community
yeah it's like an intricate mycelial network it's expanding and growing yeah exactly yeah precisely it's like mycelium yeah
it's uh unexplainable unreplicable unreplicate irreparable you know what i mean not you can't
replicate it there we go um and uh yeah it's it's really organic
yeah you're totally right it is like mycelium
yeah somehow some way there's some spores you know here and there just growing
yeah yeah it's really cool oh espresso's in the room hey buddy what's happening man i haven't talked
to you in a long time good morning to you sir speaking mycelium there we go espresso he's
man he and i crossed paths many times oh he's gone now but we come from uh the east side
that's a whole nother web of the story
whole nother web of the story the east side I'm glad I'm dangling over there as
much anymore oh yeah it's hard it's hard to go use those other other chains even
though I see a point in them and I do use them and I like them to a certain
extent it's it's always the whole time I'm playing on an EVM chain, it's like, yes, but, all right, I'll do it this way, but I don't want to.
It's a struggle to continue to use it when you know the alternative, right?
Especially when the alternative is chia.
especially when the alternative is Chia.
It's going to be interesting when the world wakes up to it.
It's Saturday, right?
Saturday?
Where I'm at it is.
Just making sure it was the weekend.
I just had a brain fart moment there.
Yeah. Last, I mean, when I DM'd you the other day, just making sure it was the weekend I just had a brain fart moment there yeah
last I mean when I DM'd you the other day I thought this weekend was Vegas my
days have been so mixed up dude happens all the time there's a lot going on I
get places times and faces and things mixed up all the time my my parents always make fun of me about
my lack of like conception or perception of time it's like i really like they're super regimented
my parents are very pink pink pink pink um and i used to be very like that when i was in flight school my
whole life was just like if it's not a routine or a process then i don't compute and i still have a
bit of that but man i just lose track of time now so much because every day is the same there is no
money to friday for me it's you know my monday is my Friday is Sunday and they just it just every
day goes around and around like freaking Groundhog Day just wake up kids build wake up kids build and
so I've totally just I think allowed myself to forget about time and a lot of which is freeing
as fuck I'll tell you it's a really great feeling to be able to be like I don't know you know deal
with it when it comes or whatever, have the,
I also know it drives people nuts around me like Brad and my parents, people that,
that I'm highly engaged with regularly that are always like, uh, you know, my parents are like,
do you remember you got this? Oh shit, I forgot about that. Or Brad's like, don't you remember?
Nope. Don't remember. No concept. Th in line there yeah sometimes I just like have no idea I've had to be there's
times I'm like it is this month right because I'll just I'm locked in the house for weeks on end just working oh my god it's so cold here oh this feels like they're
gonna be frost on the ground what gives oh oh god i can't i would have killed for that where i'm at
right now it's so hot oh i'll take swap you any day absolutely please do oh god i'm getting too old for cold man
no thanks i need to be on the beach somewhere sometime soon
i think i'm gonna go to like cuba or something just by myself for a week in the winter
just me and my laptop on the beach
let's go i'll go on vacation to that just go to work
man you know where it was really hot that'd be nice last summer when we went to fucking italy and greece oh my god
oh my god hot i remember so it not quite as hot as when i went to abu dhabi in dubai that was
that was a whole different heat i've never experienced but man venice oh i had to keep
running for shade because it was burning my skin like it
was stinging and i had it and i'm i'm tanned like i'm outside i know i'm home a lot but
i'm not you know i'm not rigidity pasty
but oh my god venice italy was it stung i don't know how people like so i like heat but there's kind
of like too much heat as well yeah i can do i can do dry heat but when it gets humid i can't do that
at all yeah precisely yeah exactly humid heat sucks it's just like humid cold too. So I can do dry
cold. If you go to central Canada, you get really dry cold and sting your skin. So it's just a
matter of bundle the hell up, cover your skin and you're good. Minus 45 degrees Celsius sucks after 10 minutes of exposed skin.
But minus 45 with, like, a high moisture, it gets in your bones.
And then it doesn't matter when you go inside.
You're still absolutely frozen.
And that's what it gets like here because we're right on the ocean.
And it's, oh, God god the winters here suck where i am now is not too bad i'm a little more in from the ocean
but we get dumped with snow we get more snow in this region per uh how does the stack up
it's the most annual snowfall east of the Rocky Mountains or something.
We get dumped.
I mean, I can go to bed and there'll be grass.
And I can wake up the next morning and there's three feet of snow.
It just comes out of nowhere.
It's nuts.
where my home where i'm from my hometown so you know those um you know those little like snow
Where I'm from, my hometown.
mini snowblowers they use for cutting sidewalks do you know about those ones they double stack them
vertically where i'm from because they have to cut through the snow from the plows because there's so much like you'll
have a drift over the sidewalk that's 10 feet and they'll take they have these double stacked ones
and they cut right through it so when you're walking down the sidewalk the walls of snow are
above your head and you're walking down this like corridor of snow it's insane yeah
that's frightening not gonna lie by like a highway road grader like the ones that have the big blade
that sticks out to the side that's what they yeah that's what they use on the road that's
that's the regular plow where I where I come from it's nuts we get so much now it's crazy I am NOT used to that type of cold I I grew up
in like the Western Southern region in the US and man I lived on the East Coast
for a number of years and you know I got down to maybe like eight degrees whenever degrees. But never in the negative. Oh, I can remember minus 53 with the wind chill was the
coldest I ever felt. That was when I lived in Ottawa. Minus 53, dude. It was like one of those
days the radio was like, don't leave your house if you don't need to. And if you do, make sure every single inch of you is covered.
Yeah.
The snow can be fun.
It's warm, right?
If it's warm, then the snow is a great time. But lots of snow
and freezing cold is no good.
Snow good.
But don't...
All right.
I left off last night trying to get crate working.
I try to remember where I left.
Man, I was falling asleep at the keys trying to keep the space going.
Nodding right off.
I need to send you a couple of previews of a couple of projects i'm working on
um i'm doing a couple things by hand but that might might be uh might be good for crate so
sweet i'll send you a couple previews sure man sounds good i'm excited to get crate up and going
because um i got uh i don't know if you if you caught any of the updates, but Rigidity built a piece for me that does, it uses chip 26.
So I don't have to be pulling SpaceScan, which turns out a lot of the problems on Crate ended up being rate limits or double spend coin issues on the mint garden side or rate limits on space scan and i ended up fixing errors that didn't actually exist on my end which caused
things to get even more like spider web code and it was just a nightmare so
um yeah i had to i had to i had to figure it away anyway chip 26
clyde suggested it rigidity built it for me i got it in yesterday
and it works on my local computer but it just
won't work on the dev server for some reason so i'm trying to move it over um if that works i
could have if i can get it stood up on a proper architecture that's going to hold then create is working now and so yeah this morning probably uh probably during the good morning space
uh well t-buddy's doing his i'll uh i'll see if i can get it going here i don't know my screen
here now i'm trying to figure it out but yeah i'll let you know as soon as it's going and we can figure out what's needed.
Yeah, awesome.
Do you know what – I'm just curious.
I know that the – I remember when we were first running into those issues with Crate,
it was those rate limits for those – I think the api calls for space scan but um what's the
difference between the you said it was a chip uh protocol yep and chia yep so are you just calling
directly to the chain uh i don't even have to do that that's the beauty of it and so space scan
yeah you got to make the call and you got to get a whole shitload of info and
then you got to process it all and a bunch of it you just don't care about it's like i don't
it's a waste of resource with and so then the api and rate limits but with chip 26 um there's
i'm not sure on on rigidities and how how magic works, but I basically end up with almost like a pub sub scenario where I subscribe to events on a wallet and I don't have to pull it all.
My server basically just gets fed the events when they happen.
So there's no more grab a bunch of data, scan it, organize, figure out what's old, what's new, all that kind of shit.
It'll just send me the event and say, this coin, here's all of its info and the memo field. Done.
So it eliminates the need for space scan altogether and then eliminates all of the rate limiting issues.
So it's a big that's incredible
yeah it's a really really big improvement i got really excited about because i'm going to use that
for a shitload of stuff um you know rigidity gave him you know some money for building it
but now i have it and i can use it in everything. So everywhere that I was ever needing to do polling of info,
I can go back through and swap out and get rid of that dependency.
Saves me a little bit of cost on a pro membership with SpaceScan
in the process as well.
So it's just kind of an all around really big upgrade.
I feel a little bad because it's like, well, see you later, SpaceScan.
Peace out.
You know, and I really like Sabari,
and I don't mind supporting other devs,
but this is just such a better solution for Crate.
There was, you know, the issue of scale with Crate
with the other way would inevitably have become an issue
at some point because you can only,
you're only going to do so much hitting Space space scan and say you end up with a hundred collections and basically I was setting
up these automated watchers that would take the deployers wallet and then begin scanning on that
wallet over and over so you know I had multiple scanners going and then raid limits and this is
so much nicer because I can just say subscribe and then wait
and i don't have to do anything and it's it's much more self-serve
so that's awesome that efficiency gets me excited yeah yeah and if i can get that all in and running here today, accuracy goes up, you know, errors go down, all that great stuff. And then I get to go back to, instead of dealing with the infrastructure, which needs to kind of just run all the time on its own, now I can go back to the creative side of, okay, now how do we make it so that everybody can import collections and what
are the extra you know blind mints or whatever stuff you know i get to kind of start creating
the little modules of of you know the mint features that people will want to use so
that's where you know it's fun it gets to be really fun and there's all kinds of cool things
that we'll be able to do that i've talked about with many people in this you know i see foods down there and i'm thinking about a particular
goose related project that he's he's always been talked to me about um and there was just ways
before we i just i never would have been able to build it before especially on like an evm but
you know the the hooky duke ideas that you know great guys like foods always have like
we could do this or we could do that it's just so much more possible when
when you have these these better ways of doing so i'm looking forward to it because i'm gonna
once this is done i'm gonna get to be creative on coming up with new delivery methods or
minting methods or,
you know,
just make tooling.
Even,
it's going to be a good platform for delivering tools or products or
whatever to people.
So hopefully I'll get it here this morning.
I can't remember where I left off.
Oh my God.
Okay. Okay. it'd be really great to get crate going because it's gonna kill the bots issue big time uh oh am i rugged
oh illuminate i can't hear you i think i'm rugged
yeah i'm gonna spin
oh I'm going to spin. you Oh, did we totally glitch out there, Edward?
Illuminate, too?
Oh, Edward might not be there.
All right.
All right.
Well, I'm going to get to it. well I can hear you draft you good I think illuminate disconnected for a second but yeah I can hear you through your through your mic it sounds like your mic is
picking up feedback i'm sure illuminate will be back
edward um i know you had you had the the back shift since the long night if you if you want
uh i don't know if you want to let your space run you're more than welcome to but i can also free you up to to do your thing if you'd like if you if you
got to run anything yeah that's good i'm good either way really i i need to find my microphone
uh my headphone cable that's why there's a feedback i've somehow lost it when it's the
only thing i actually needed today but uh yeah whatever you think is best really if you want me to keep it running in the background that's
fine but if you'd rather start a new one that's good too no no i never want to i never want to
start new ones if we don't have to just because yeah keep it going we don't want to lose people
but um feel free to but just i just just thrown it out there that whenever you need to run or whatever, myself or whoever can take over from you.
But yeah, by all means, if you're down to let it run.
So far, I think I was the first space, so I've got 16-hour space.
So that's the current leader as far as length of space goes.
So you're welcome to compete.
I don't know if you're a little scared.
You don't want to come up against the old drack man 16 hours you know it might come to fisticuffs before you know it edward's got me pinned down i'm i'm yelling mercy and it just it's no good
for anyone but if you want to go down that road we can i think the longest space before it crashed was like 12 or 10, 11, 12 hours.
So I think that I'll be taken out by the,
whoever controls the cancel space button.
There's someone out there that doesn't like me.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
Elon's out there just hovering over the red button.
He's like, I know Edward's going to come up here any minute.
Shut him down. Yeah. so I'm open to whatever.
I think that there's kind of fun in the whole, or at least in previous
years, we had fun with, you know, how long could we keep it? Remember, we get to points and be like,
no, you could almost feel like the space had been open long
enough, but we were all working so hard, but you could almost feel Twitter coming back
being like, no, no, no, now you have this this bug now you have this glitch now we're gonna lock the end and we would
almost fight with twitter a little bit to see how long we could go so i'm down um why don't you make
me co-host so that i can uh help along with uh people and stuff sent And we've got Blue on the stage.
Welcome to the stage, Blue.
Hey, guys, what's going on?
What's up, Blue?
Just tell him, man.
How are you guys doing?
Doing good.
Got a little bit of shut eye.
Day two of the old marathon of the nine days so
we're doing good ask us and ask us in four or five more days we'll let you know
you guys have a project so the space that you're in um is kind of the project this week um there's
lots of projects but the community has come together to do a nine day straight 222
hour consecutive um space around kind of the blockchain that that we all love um and that
we build on so that's that's kind of what you're what you're coming into here is a the beginnings The beginnings of a very long marathon space.
Welcome Illuminate.
He is back.
Edward, could you make Illuminate a co-host too?
I don't think I can, right?
At least the one other person to co-host.
They really should let co-hosts make at least the one other person a co-host. It seems kind of ridiculous.
It seems kind of ridiculous.
Blue, what are you doing around these parts?
Uh-oh.
Was that a question for me?
Yeah, I was just wondering what you're doing around these parts.
What are you up to?
What are you working on?
What brings you up?
Honestly, man, I'm just bored.
I find myself lonely most of the time.
I don't trade at all.
I actually got my hands on some of the new tech that I've been using for the past three weeks on Solana.
It's just consistently making money, but it's getting boring, man, just sitting in front of the screen, to be honest.
Yeah, I don't trade either.
I find it boring.
We already went down this road.
I'm dyslexic when it comes to numbers.
Yeah, I prefer to kind of build and play and hang out and do different things.
I can't do the trading thing, mostly because I suck at it.
But also, I don't enjoy it, which is, I would imagine, probably why I suck at it.
Yeah, and every time I hop in the market, I just add to my losses.
I've been auto-trading for the past three weeks.
Literally, don't do shit.
You just press one button and then watch the market.
So, I'm with you man i got kind
of tired of losing money trying to trade um but for for me it's always been a good uh alternative
alternative to to just like work and build things for people in the community whether it's tools or
whatever because then then then uh i'll be you know it's not it's it's not as simple as sitting
in front of a computer you know it's like a lot of a lot of effort goes in just so i kind of earn
my crypto and then i get to hold on to my bags and then there's really no loss my my my liability
or my risk is is my time in on creating something and putting time towards something. So I have the risk of losing a lot of time and, you know, time with my kids,
time to myself when I work so much.
But that's kind of how I've learned to be in the space
without taking on the unnecessary risk of being a dumb trader.
So there's always that option.
It's always that option, Especially with AI, right?
Yeah, AI is
the best thing ever.
I'm making almost a thousand a day, and
I can't say no to that. But it's getting fucking boring,
man. I'm tired of this shit.
Yeah.
AI is
a flick, man. I can't put it down.
I use it all day every day now is it is i mean i
definitely use ai i'm i'm borderline no i mean i definitely ai writes more lines of code for me
than i than i hand code now but that's because it's faster uh It's creeping up, though, where, you know, I'm getting...
I'm less inclined to write something by hand first shot now, you know?
It's just always to AI first, even if it's to round out a thought before I start doing work. It's the AI era is...
It's a blessing, a curse, and I don't know what in between.
It's a little bit of everything.
But if you wield it, man,
everybody could 10X themselves easily.
GMGM, guys.
How's it going?
Good morning, Monkey Zoo. How are you, buddy? I'm good. I'm good. That's right. i can see we're doing two 223 22 hour spaces looks like it squaring it up we have we have another we have another space that's i mean hell sure
that means you can double up the hours now
444 yeah well we're already monkey you already got us off on that good start right we came out
swinging early man so um yeah yeah yeah i did want to jump into your conversation you carry on
carry on oh no it's all good we're just we're just. No worries. Are you saying, is it the 222, the Gmortem space for this morning?
I saw it on, well, I'm on the BlueStacks app online.
Is it active or scheduled, I guess is what I'm asking.
No, it's open and live now on the phone, on my phone and on BlueStacks.
Illuminate's hosting it.
Nice word, bro.
Illuminate's like I can cover it.
Let me see if you can share it.
We've got too many monitors in front of me.
That's awesome.
Yeah, man, I fell asleep, Monkey. I think i made 16 hours on the space i fell asleep
somewhere i woke up and i was like oh my god i fell asleep in the panic of like did we recover
you know is the first first of the marathon spaces to go down and i'm just like oh my god if
if there's a four hour gap between when i fell asleep and i wake up i'm i'm gonna be embarrassed
you know i mean it's like please please please tell me we kept it going and
thankfully we had a giga chad edward here the the veteran
yeah i think um i think it's not a bad idea to have multiple spaces anyway i think um yeah it
kind of helps the Lurkey
algorithm as well. There'll be more
and more spaces talking about Chia.
Yep.
I'll certainly spin up spaces
on new ones anyway.
Yeah, definitely. We've done that in previous
years too. It's not like we have
a monopoly on people's spaces during
this time
it's it's definitely uh you know there's spin up side rooms people pop you know i remember doing
that we'd spin some up then we'd go back to the to the main room we'd go yeah it's just a it's it's
you know like let's be honest we're not there's no technical timing here there's no guinness
world record actually involved.
This is a whole bunch of us making an effort to show off our community
and to take what we do every day and put a little more organization
and meaning to it for a nine-day period ahead of Dunktober,
which Brad was calling it Flunktober last night just because of the new delays
but yeah
I suspect it's going to be
more of a Dunkuary
is my prediction
yeah Dunkuary that's what I was thinking
yeah exactly I'll take Dunkuary
I'll start off 2026 with a bang
I'm down my New Year's resolution
will be to sleep soundly on my giant mound of cash.
Casper's dad's got a hand up.
Yeah, I see that.
Thank you very much.
Mr. Weirdo's back.
Casper.
Yo, so your FBI warrant alert is not doing shit.
I hope you know that. Your FBI warrant alert is not doing shit. I hope you know that.
Your FBI warrant alert is not doing shit, bro.
Don't worry.
We're going to find you and you're going to end up in jail.
Go ahead and find you, motherfucker.
Yo, this guy's trying to send up FBI warrant.
Bro, I have your whole telegram.
I have everything about you.
You don't know what's coming for you.
You don't know what's coming.
I have no idea what's going on right now.
You don't know what's coming.
It's weird to be around in spaces trying to say this and that, bro.
Come on now.
Bro, you do not know what's coming for you.
You do not know what's coming for you, buddy.
All right.
So we got a beef on stage.
I'm not the type to totally shut it down.
People are allowed to have beef.
But you got to at least take your times.
Oh, thanks very much. If I could just be allowed
to speak then.
Yeah, one at a time, please.
One at a time. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
I was like, you can hear your beef, but let's go one at a
time. I want to hear both sides.
Oh, that's great. Okay, so
what you'll notice, i'm about to speak
you can go how long thank you we're going to see how long he stays in the space the guy you've got
there blue is sending out wallet drainers he's just come into your space right now to socially
engineer you in the comments section i've put some receipts in the post he's been going around
spaces he's full of shit. You've just heard him
say he's making £1,000 a day.
This is on a MEV sniper
bot. He sends this to you.
You download it in Telegram
and he drains your wallets. There has been
plenty of victims. He's been doing
this. I've been following him for four days.
Now, what he doesn't realise
is that there are multiple people now
on his case they've already
tracked certain things about him and he will be brought to justice so have a look at the receipts
but be very careful gentlemen so do not take any dms from him because they are wallet drainers and
the receipts uh i posted about it on my timeline four days ago and have posted them in your Jumbotron here,
in your thread, in the comment section.
So have a look.
Have a look with a link to some of the people who have been affected by this guy.
And these are the people who are the cancer of crypto.
All right.
Go ahead, Blue.
What have you got?
Casper, thank you for that.
Yeah, Blue, Blue, give us a response there.
What's happening
bro so uh i actually don't send out anything if you don't have if you have received me sending
anything that would be great and uh i also i joined this space i want to sound some chill shit i said
i'm bored you know i'm looking for people to talk to and shit i didn't i don't even follow anybody
in the space so i don't know what the fuck you're on of course you don't
so I'll give you both an education
so tell us
so I'll give you an education both of you
just allow me to talk for a second
so A, Casper
as far as warning us
of any sort of malintent
appreciate it
whether it's true or not I don't know
but I'm just going to give you both an example of why this group is together we don't have to worry about that in this room
there are no wallet draining with chia we use we use a blockchain that eliminates that worry for us
so really sorry that you guys are going through that but here's a little education factor for
for you bro bro if you want to cast bro you're not
listening you're not listening bro you've just not listening bro i'm not affected in the slightest
i'm i'm trying to help you have a heads up don't go into any dms this guy sends you that's it oh
yeah no i hear you i'm agreeing with you i'm just i'm just, I'm about to leave now.
Well,
I'm just,
all I'm doing is giving you the heads up on this guy. Cause he is just sending wallet drainage trying to steal from you.
I don't know anything about your project.
Good luck.
Whatever you do,
every space he goes in,
I'll be there.
He's changed his name five times recently.
Just have a look at the receipt and just stay safe.
You know what I mean?
Scumbags like him.
Fuck you.
We're bringing you to jail, boy.
And we've got your location.
Buddy,
do you even know what country I'm in?
Listen.
Answer that simple question.
Well, dude, listen,
if you got to ask that question,
that doesn't,
that doesn't help your case.
That's,
that doesn't help you.
It doesn't sound like it helps you.
He's just a fucking weirdo, bro.
Following me around.
I'm trying,
I'm on some chill shit.
This guy's just following me around in spaces and, you know, he's an other listener now. It doesn't sound like it helps you. He's just a fucking weirdo, bro. Following me around. I'm on some chill shit. This guy is just following me around in spaces.
He's an other listener now.
It's all good.
I'm not tripping.
He's tripping.
Well, people don't usually follow people around and make accusations for no reason.
So I'm just going to say that.
I don't know.
I never said it was accusations.
I'm not admitting anything.
But if he got the receipts, it would be nice to see.
So the cool thing is, Chia, we don't have to worry about wallet drainers.
Am I right, Monkey?
Am I right?
Yeah.
Also, if you're stumbling into a room trying to do that, you've picked the wrong one,
because there's a lot of quite intelligent people in this community as well.
Yeah. I literally used to work in surveillance, reconnaissance and intelligence for a career.
And all my friends in this space are probably the most giga chat devs you're ever going to come across.
So, yeah, monkey's right. Not accusing.
But if that is your motive, it's probably best just to slip on out quietly.
Because this is not the room to do that.
No, no, no, no.
Like I said, bro, when I first join, I'm literally just bored.
Yeah, that's cool.
Everybody's allowed to be bored.
And I'm not passing judgment on you because I also know that people run around this space claiming i got rugged when sometimes it's their mistake i don't care i don't
know whose mistake it is i don't care at all because we're safe in here but yeah just monkey
makes a good warning there it's just it's probably the absolute worst room in all of crypto twitter
you could ever try that in it's uh
yeah facts i don't know what he
thinks he's doing but all i know
is he fucked up for using this telegram
yeah
also like within
the cheer ecosystem you can
pretty much say go on then try
you know when you've got like the clawbacks
in the vault totally
go ahead and give it your best.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can have my seed fray.
Yeah.
Exactly.
You can have my seed fray and claw it back.
Here's my vault seed fray.
Have at it.
Enjoy.
And then they just like, can you imagine?
Oh, what a statement that would make.
What a statement.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't worry about it.
But he's actually retarded, though.
He's trying to, you know, quote unquote, bring justice to the space.
But he doesn't know that when he used this tele telegram all his fucking like everything about this guy
everything
I don't even want to record his face. I just realized
Yeah, well some people uh
Put their information on the internet because they don't know better. So
Um, if you got it, yup, whatever you got Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to do anything with it. Just don't know better so um if you got yep whatever you got just because you
have it doesn't mean you have to do anything with it just don't forget that right you can just want
a lot of fingers have a lot of fingers pointed right back at them yeah but you can just walk
away from things right at the end you both don't agree on something. Is it worth it? Is it worth...
You know.
I don't know, man.
That guy's a weirdo following me around.
There's a lot of weirdos out here.
You're going to have to deal with weirdos.
Like it's 6 in the morning, 6.30 in the morning.
This is my first space of the day and those guys are already here.
Like what?
It doesn't make sense.
Well, anyways, I'm sorry for, you know, bringing this drama in.
I'm just on some sell shit. It's all good. Bringing this drama in. I don't know. I'm just on some still shit.
It's all good.
Monkey, I'm just thinking about you saying we don't have to deal with that.
You know what?
I always feel like Chia, and I think I've put it on the timeline a few times.
Chia reminds me of the Windows Mac thing. Do you remember all the Windows Mac commercials with the two guys?
They did the whole, hey, I'm Windows, hey, I'm Mac
I always picture Bram and Gene
as the Mac side and then, you know,
you got all the others
I always just feel like Chia is
just like I don't have to worry about viruses on my
Mac in the same way that you have to
and it's the same way
with Chia, it's like it's just so comfortable
over here because you hear about all the rugs and whatever,
and you're just like, meh, not my worry.
I'm going to go back here and do some work.
It's so nice. It's so nice.
That's how I guess my gut feelings, my dev gut,
when I first discovered Chia, it was kind of like, oh.
Like, you could just, the unloading of like i don't have
to run antivirus are you serious it's just it was really refreshing and then and then um
gene and bram are like you know ste Wozniak and Steve Jobs which is another
good comparison
sorry I had to run out the room sort the dog out
yeah i was yeah i'm looking forward to kicking things off tomorrow tomorrow will be the the
start of my kind of whatever it is nine days of uh of spaces that'll be quite interesting to do
i think i've got to find what i need to do is try and find um someone that's european side maybe
de jenna uh she she's European side I think to
kind of come and come and go through the project with me basically co-host and
kind of you know we're gonna my plan is to take an NFT project from start to
finish literally from conception of the idea what it's gonna do if it's got any
utility to kind of creating the artwork to making the metadata to minting it and
selling it on the last day that's the idea and whether whether we are planning i've been planning
in my head to join i know it's early for me but i i have full plans on trying to make all of your
spaces because i would want to go through that process with you i'm looking forward to it so yeah i don't know but you can count on me being there yeah i need to i need to
try and find someone who's european friendly time zone because i think like it's 9 a.m for me in the
uk so that's probably nine or no it's probably 10 is it in europe i don't know something like that
um so uh they don't have to be there all the time but it would be good to
have somebody tag along for the
ride so to speak but if not
I'll just do it myself
and kind of talk my way
through my kind of process of
how I go about doing things
I think it would be quite cool
yeah man I think it's great I think
for us if I had a little more time I'd like to
do something similar I could have done North America you could have have done the UK. That would have been great. Maybe next year we'll pair up that way. But I think it's awesome. I think it's a great way to go about showcasing Chia front to back and cover all the different discussions that come into play when you're making a project because as you very well know 99 of it comes before and after
the actual release of it there's a ton of yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and i'm sure anyone
that's made nfts or whatever before knows that the metadata side of things can be uh can be
really confusing depending on how many you do you know know, my thinking is we just make like 100 or something.
You're just a quite a simple thing that we slow mint out
just using, you know, just, you know,
not necessarily even mint garden, maybe just, you know,
go through CLI or whatever.
And maybe some people can learn about that.
So you don't have to use the mint garden kind of tools.
You can just use the kind of cli set it up in your uh on your own pc and and let it go you know it's yeah that's real
well that's where i really like the procedural nature of using dynamic minting with mint garden
because rather than sitting down and having to you can create a process that can you know do the rest of it maybe i'll do a mint
garden eight like using the api or something class or something um yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah
or you know maybe actually one of the things i've never done is use use mint garden to mint stuff so maybe i go that route and um try and do that
yeah i've only used it a few times um i think when i first came into chia and i was porting
some drag stuff over i used it then but yeah i tend not to use it now yeah yeah i mean i don't
know you know what i don't what i don't want to do is have it kind of
so like i make the money or you know the royalties maybe there's somewhere they can go maybe is there
not like um i don't know maybe there's like a 222 theme is there like maybe a wallet that can be set
up for future events or something like a multi-sig wallet or i don't know i don't know thoughts yeah well i'm sure with like a vault system or something you must be able to do that
yeah i don't know or maybe the xch foundation might be a good one to do
start sending some royalties to them yep yeah well lucky eight stuff is really easy to use i
don't know if you've used his royalty splitting ever but that's really easy to use yeah yeah exactly exactly yeah oh yeah whatever
whatever think about it because you you've got to kind of think along all those lines haven't you
whether what you're doing it for and where the royalties go where um where the funds go that are raised who is going to front the cost for me I know it's not a lot but it all kinds of all these kind of thought process is
pretty pretty crazy isn't it yeah yeah I think on. I think there's a lot of people that when they first enter into this space as a creator,
they don't realize the amount of work that has to go into, like you said, the metadata,
especially.
It's just like, it's the crux of it all.
It'd be, you know, there's probably a service there that you could offer for people
that are literally just artists you know they're not interested in the blockchain side of it they
just want to create some art and and sell it you know and you kind of put a bespoke package together
to to make sure it all looks fresh and and how it's supposed to look you know that metadata is important yeah there's there's got to be an ai assistant that can be used there um something i can explore
with crate later is that you know you upload it and we could have a process where ai rips through
your your csv data and and looks for novels or whatever right yeah i've talked with um i've
talked with uh grig before about kind of doing that kind of thing where literally somebody uploads
a jpeg or a png or whatever and um you know and then it's like a a box comes up say right this is
the title of this piece of art specifically what do you want to call it and then the next box says right this is the if it's part of a collection what do you want to
call this collection uh you know and really break it down simple but on the back end it just creates
kind of this you know the perfect metadata type thing i think there's a there's a market for that
really there definitely is especially when you get into like the rules-based stuff where it's like well
if this is a trait then it can't have these traits and if it has this then it has the potential for
that yeah that would be you know if you could have a cookie cutter system for that it'd be great
yeah that's uh i think that's possibly something that um thatip's new kind of AI art engine type thing is capable of doing, I think.
Yeah.
I've not seen too much of it.
Yeah, I think version two definitely got into more of that stuff.
I'm not sure if there's a version three or not.
Yeah, I don't know that I did I did speak to at one point about kind of integrating
that into kind of this all-in-one you know our slash minting kind of thing
and kind of integrating him into that or his his kind of I guess his workflow
into you know another type of workflow that kind of does what I just explained,
but using kind of his stuff in the back end as well.
Yeah, it can't be that difficult.
His stuff is open source anyway.
It can't be difficult to drop that into Cursor and start making your own mods.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you using Cursor yet at all?
I know you're experimenting with Node and stuff recently.
Are you using Cursor with that or are you going hand code?
So I'm using Node, but I'm predominantly at the minute.
I'm just playing around with like this pipe dream thing.
And I've started, I've kicked off like this multiple different workflows of kind of pretty ambitious i must admit but kind of
using apis from meshify and um gemini and kind of make this complete kind of workflow that takes like
2d images uh and creates kind of this um you know this 3D mesh of what you want.
And then eventually try to make it so that you can create all these different poses
with these different, you know, essentially monkey suit characters
that will then spit out maybe like, you know, high quality video content
from all from a single prompt.
So, you know, basically throwing into a google drive
folder um a 2d image and it'll then go through the process of doing the whole the whole thing
and turn it into a you know a sort of 3d model yeah and you know asking you for a prompt what
you want to do with that model so yeah but but what i'm kind of at the i'm deep in the weeds of the kind of making
sure that the um i guess it kicks off properly and it kind of records everything properly on different
different um you know google spreadsheets and things to make sure that you can kind of monitor it. So, but yeah, it's, it's really, it's really interesting.
It's really, you know, it's, uh, I, I,
I probably understand about 75% of the stuff that's going on,
but there's definitely a 25% of stuff that the pipe dream kind of does for you.
Cause you can,
you can kind of prompt it to do something and it'll spit out this whole
workflow. Um, and like I say, 75% of it, I get, and the other 25% I have to chuck into
like chat GPT or Gemini and say, you know, what, what, what's just happened here.
Try and explain it.
It was all me.
Cause you know what, you, you know, exactly what, um, AI is like, especially
one that's kind of, you know, built to things for you it'll just build a load of nonsense if you let it
yep yeah yeah you got to be careful i'm uh i'm way more uh structured about how i approach ai now
than i ever was before for sure shit in shit out right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a lot of kind of um testing
i'm essentially using two ais one's kind of creating it and the other one's kind of checking
its work and then in between there there's me that's going i think that's right but one of
them's right i'm not sure which one yeah, I'll have a third AI checking the second AI.
Yep.
That's what it's coming to, though, dude.
I'm not even apologetic about my AI use.
I think maybe at first a little bashful, you know what I mean?
A little like, maybe I shouldn't be using it.
I don't give a shit now.
Like, nope, sorry.
Anybody says anything to me like, oh, are you using it? It's like, yeah,
I'm really, really good at it. It's, it, it, it makes all the different,
I mean, I can't,
I can't think of a reasonable argument in my head as to why I would stop
using it or reduce my usage from what it is now and not even
try to accelerate. I mean, you hear arguments like, well, AI makes a lot of mistakes. AI
hallucinates. And it does. We know that. But we know that. So it shouldn't stop us because you
should be able to kind of work around it, is at least my attitude towards it.
And so I'm not really apologizing for using AI.
I use it heavily now.
It writes a lot of code for me.
But to the point we're making is that I do a lot of research
and a lot of prompting before I ever ask it to write a line of code now.
And that has been the difference between having to go back and fix a lot of shit two weeks after you've started something or I'm
still moving ahead with you know low errors or low hallucinations you really gotta you gotta put
that time in ahead and if you do it pays off in spades and and now you know before i used to think to myself two
projects at one time is about my max you know depending on the size of the projects but that's
typically i never wanted to be planning and organizing and producing two projects now i've got
uh four currently on the go and going at the same pace i used to have to go with two. If anything, actually still getting four done sooner than two would have taken.
It's, um, yeah.
So it's hard to, it's hard for me to argue why I should slow down or, you know, even
the, well, it comes with errors.
Yep, it does.
But I've fixed as many as I can and it's only going to get better.
So I just don't see the whole, I mean, I get it from the purist standpoint just like in any tech
you know there's the purist of like you should write
everything by hand and then there's the
other end where it's like I don't know anything
I'm just going to push buttons and hope this
AI does it you know the two ends of this
but I feel like I'm
coming into my own personal
vein of this is
just right you know it's like the three
little bears you know and now this this is just right you know it's like the three little bears you know and now
this one is just right well the thing is as well the whole kind of um art world has already gone
through this a couple of times when they went art when when kind of photoshop first appeared it was
like you know you can't use Photoshop for art
that's not real art and now AI is coming along and everyone's like well you can use Photoshop you
can't use AI that's that's kind of cheating and you know there'll be something else that comes
along as well that sort of supersedes this and um you know I think I think they're all tools and if
you can use them well and it's like any other tools that you can either use them badly or
Or you can become an expert with them. So that's what you
One one thing I kind of say to to sort of the you know, my kids even though they're grown up on the back you know but is
That you know utilize this stuff now learn about it because they're kind of at the starts of their careers
you know, they're they're in their 20s and
like one of them's in fact one of them's who's the who's the artist for the monkey project he's he does a lot of work for
big companies for like editing and you know a lot of the adverts you see on TV
he would have edited things like that and and he's kind of still in that step
where he doesn't use AI and I'm like, well, you know, eventually
somebody is going to be able to do what you do because they know
how to use these tools better than you can. So, you know, you
need to, you need to start looking at them now and my kind
of, uh, you know, know, nieces and nephews,
younger generation, you know, they're kind of so like, my wife's sister's got
some kids and whatever, and they're, they're kind of teens now and they're
still in that mode. The parents are where they shouldn't be spending a lot
of time behind the screen, not allowed to play the xbox you know
this they can't have a phone yet and i'm like jesus you're just crippling these kids they need
to have access to some of this stuff otherwise it's going to be you know they're going to get to
get to the end of their schooling career get to the end of university or or get to university and
there's there's people that are just going to be what's so far ahead equipped to be able to do multiple things that they can't do so yeah yeah man
you've got to use the you can't you can't shelter people back from tech like this because of your
your tie or affinity to your preferred older ways or what you think is the norm. You have to, I'm super glad my, I mean, I've said this before.
My parents always said to me, coding is going to be like reading and writing.
You're going to have to know it like reading and writing.
That's, I heard that over and over in the, you know, mid eighties, late eighties,
early nineties.
That's all I ever heard.
And I'm super glad because now in this era, I've got a leg up, but you know, it's going to be the same thing. There's always something else coming. There's always a new tech. There's always a paradigm shift. There's always innovation. That's unless you can stop humans from dreaming, you're not going to ever stop innovation. It's just like a natural output of dreamers so ai either get a monitor like you said i mean when i hear parents
say you know i limit my kids ai timer they're not allowed on ai yet all i can think is my kid's
gonna eat yours alive like god god help them if they ever ever in the same company because yours is definitely going to be
the janitor mine's definitely going to be the ceo oh yeah yeah it is yeah it's like it's that it's
that it's that's that important isn't it it's like it's being it's like being back in the 90s
and not understanding the internet you know and and like without well show my age I was in that
that era you know where the internet suddenly appeared and and some people
wouldn't use it like I still remember the kind of people using snail mail
letters in the post rather than emails mm- saying oh i don't that seems pointless yeah i'll just i'll just send a letter
it happens with all new texts same thing with blockchain came out same thing when it
it's always the way always the way and if you've been around it long enough as i'm sure you you've
seen there's the pattern of it and it's kind of like trends too in that you know cultural trends that
come back every other decade or whatever there's that within tech as well there's nuance and almost
like a personality to the growth of tech and the innovation and such if you're around it long enough
and maybe maybe i'm talking shit but i i feel like uh i can't always verbalize it but i can
feel it you know the gut feelings and stuff so that yeah it's uh people will always naysay and
whatever that's part of the the push and pull of it it is indeed it is indeed remember monkey
remember when we used i don't know if uh if this was a thing in
the uk but do you remember columbia house music do you remember ordering cds through the mail
yeah yeah yeah we used to have this program i think it's so funny to think this is how we did
it but you'd have like a monthly
sheet that would show up in the mail and you'd fill it out and you'd return it
with your previous ones just like a library card or whatever yes and then
you'd send all the just back and then you'd get a whole new collection for the
next month DVDs or whatever it was I mean think about that we sent this through the mail Oh Lord and now we are
I can remember when when Netflix was like that it was called something
slightly different in the UK so Netflix started off where it would you'd go onto
the website yeah presumably there's a website and you'd you'd go onto the website yeah i presume it's a website and
you'd kind of pick the films you want to watch they'd post them out to you and then you post
them back when you're finished yeah i know it's crazy crazy to think like oh my god that's not
hey listen um t money's up on up on stage want to say first and foremost, good morning to you, sir.
Secondly, T-Money's space is starting in four minutes.
T-Money, you have the option either to say, Edward, take a hike.
I'm taking over.
This show is mine.
Or you can say, Edward, go for that long shot if you're willing,
and you can take over this space here.
Whatever you'd prefer, buddy.
We're flexible.
We're all family.
Good morning.
Good morning to my friends.
Doesn't matter to me.
If anyone wants to keep the space going,
I can just take it over.
I think you should start a new one up.
Make sure that Lurkey's doing its thing.
Oh, that's right we got
that eight hour limit too that uh that makes a difference like i think our opening space is
probably not going to be lurked um maybe i'll download it and i'll cut it up into two two
files or something and send it to them but yeah that's a good point monkey yeah we want to we
want to play into lurk his hands a little bit bit. See if we can get on that front page.
Yep, 100%.
So Team Money, if you want to start your space whenever,
I'll hang back here and I'll post it up in the top
and usher people over your way.
All right, sounds good.
I might need a co-host because I'm not sure how spotty this Wi-Fi is that I have.
I can come and help out there.
Yep. Yep. Awesome.
Appreciate you guys. Basically planning on doing
nothing for the next nine days other than
hanging out and working, so I'm here.
Josh Painter's in the room.
Morning, Josh.
You're the last roast to play, so
but I promised Steve I'd wait because Steve helped me make it.
Can I have one?
Oh, wait.
We didn't do yours either, Monkey.
Did we?
Oh, I need one of them.
No, I did one for you.
We just didn't play it yet.
Okay.
Monkey, I need one of them.
They're brutal. They're brutal are they are brutal um i think i did yours because i've heard
you say it yourself and i'm in the same boat so i felt comfortable poking at you about it was like
building stuff taking forever to build our masterpieces kind of thing so
but um if you're up for it, and maybe we do it over,
I don't know if T-Money wants to do it in his space,
or you guys want to do it here as a closer.
It can be done whenever.
We've got another nine days or whatever.
I know, but I have more to make for more people.
T-Money, if it's okay by you, we're...
Okay, cool.
He's got to go get us.
I think I need to get off anyway.
I've got a football match to watch in a minute.
Okay, well, you're going to have to.
I'll see if I can put off my roast until it's all finished.
You want to put... geez uh i can't
guarantee that i i've got an itchy finger i'm over the trigger here right now go for it right
i'm gonna dip off anyway i'll i'll catch you guys later i'll pop into t-money space but i
don't think i'll be able to get up and speak okay sounds good man yeah um so edward then there was us there was us i'm gonna grab
t money space and put it up on the top thanks for holding it down over the night, Edward. Appreciate it, buddy.
All good. All fun, as always. Good to be back.
Yes. Good to hear your voice. Spaces.
Bunchy money here.
We had Gene pop in last night that was cool right oh shit how do i where's his space oh
he doesn't have a postage yet how do i get the link without joining it uh okay i've got one got one for you to swim back against the ai uh tide just a little bit is i use
ai now by the way i didn't before so i definitely love ai but uh you said the example your child
will like use the ai and basically uh you know be higher in the career ladder let's say than someone
else what about if the ai gets changed in the future and the AI that your child creates puts a bug in something that then, say,
unknowingly to your offspring, let's say, but the bug that your offspring didn't know about ends up, you know,
robbing someone of money on their computer?
Yeah.
That was the only thing I could come up with to fight that.
There's a ton of ethical... There's a ton of really shit side to the use case of AI.
There is a ton.
But I guess...
Without really being able to have, say,
statistical or factual argument to
to why i i think the way that i do but there's there's kind of that i got feeling
over over a long life of of working with tech there's always those things and there's always
you know even to tv well there's shitty programming that gets in your kid's head, you know, there's intentionally shitty programming that intentionally gets in.
There's all of those things. And I guess I've learned that more often than not.
I think I know it sounds kind of weak sauce, but more often than not, I find things work out.
Good overcomes evil. Education trumps ignorance. And I think with my kids and me having the
awareness of these sort of things, it's it's again, my kids have an advantage in that A, I let them get into all
those tools and B, they have me to kind of shepherd them a bit. And I have a lot of experience in
keeping an eye out for this. So I guess for my kids, I hope that they will benefit from my
life of building so that I can educate them so that, you know, those bases are covered for them, for the others,
for parents who don't have that awareness and the things that can slip by
either parents or just the tech itself, like you say, you know,
it could be an AI doing nefarious things that you don't even know about.
There could be all kinds of scenarios, but I guess even in, even living in Canada, I still have a bit of hope.
And that, you know, I believe that the right things tend to work out if you stay in those lanes and that is your goal.
Whether things get worse outside of that, I don't know, man.
It is a scary world of what AI can do.
We've seen all kinds of weird things that AI has done,
and you've heard the horror stories and the kids and the weirdos on the Internet.
It's tricky, but I guess a little bit of faith, dude,
a little bit of faith in that if I just educate my kids well, that hopefully they won't ever be involved in something that, you know, they didn't intend to be or whatever.
Hopefully they'll be able to be aware of it.
Tricky stuff.
Tricky stuff.
um give me one second i gotta get t money's space here
Give me one second.
I got to get T-Money's space here.
i guess i'll give a summary of uh what i said at the start of the space which was
music village for different reasons one specifically and it's no names with kuzmal
is essentially it's dead and so is world park and i'm going to uh start a legal process to sue that gentleman because I'm totally
lost what what happened what so I've been working on music village which was
the audio campfire idea for a year and a half so March 2024 was when I started
work I was invited to set it up with a developer i was told i'd get development
help i'd get a salary i'd get funding all the all the good stuff focus on the idea focus on only the
marketing is what i was told and boom a year and a half later i've only been paid three thousand
dollars for the whole year so i had to go quiet on spaces because i was left with no money to pay for
my visa and so i had to sort of basically go
to Vietnam it was like apocalypse now and I had to sort of keep quiet what I was doing because I
figured I needed to just get this visa and I kept putting it off because I was trying to build
Music Village and I wanted to be all hands on deck so Wes screwed me it seems like it was a scam and
he's tried to steal the idea as well putting it in another business plan that's fully funded quarter of a million dollars so i think i've got yeah i
think i've got a strong legal case so it could work out well but ultimately that's why i was
missing for a couple of months and it seems to have worked out well because i've got my visa
and that's not the only thing i care about but that's the main thing because i'm set for five years now so i got back like two days ago i saw i went through all this
in the first like 10 minutes of the space so good to recap it i guess well i'm sorry that you're
going through that dude that's that's that's not fun that's a lot of stress and headache
the hard part the stressful part's gone.
To be honest, that was like the last six months.
In the Bangkok earthquake, I got left with $5 in my pocket,
and he just would not send the money he promised me.
And I've got email after email of him saying, you'll get paid.
You'll get paid like, you know, what do you need?
And it was like already a year in at that point.
So it seems like a complete i just wonder how many
other people he's done it to over the years he's been running it 20 years it seems like there's
more to it yeah there's a lot there's a lot of people like that in the world i in my work i come
across it a fair bit i mean i've gotten good over the years of mitigating you know mitigating and
making sure that i pick right clients and stuff but you know been down a lot of pitches a lot of
collabs a lot of different scenarios where there's just some people that i don't know if i can explain
it right but there are just some people that don't have an inherent appreciation for other people's time and the value
of it it it's almost like the more that you solely fixate on money has value and that money gives the
time value then i find you get more into mindset of people that will do things like that
um clients that will swear they have the financing but then you get into them and then you realize oh
they never really had it they've just kind of like given you a story you know and and so there's no
value in your time thus to them it's it's just seems so and then guys like you guys like me people in our
space who really hold value in in our time and our efforts we we take it so personal right like
it hits hard when when you value time and effort and your mind space and then somebody so so easily
completely disregards it as valueless through their actions,
maybe not through their words, because they don't get it.
It's maddening, dude.
It's maddening.
It's infuriating.
So I'm sorry that somebody's taken advantage of you that way, dude.
It sucks.
It never feels good because you put so much into it, right?
And you've got your time and your energy, which is worth so much to you.
And to have that disregarded, I always find, is the big insult.
It's like, okay, fine, I don't give a shit about your money.
You didn't have it anyway, whatever.
But you took time away from my kids.
You know what I mean? And when people don't inherently understand that,
then I think you end up with situations like what you've got there.
That sucks, man.
But like you said, you're on the other side, right?
So what doesn't kill you just makes you stronger.
He tried to change the goalposts,
and he tried to get me to sell AI English classes.
So that comes back to the AI thing.
And I was like, this is like that.
You can't sell English classes based on AI.
What if it's ripped off?
I didn't sign up for that.
I signed up for releasing a software metaverse, basically, powered by WebRTC.
So, yeah, there's all sorts of red flags about it.
So, yeah, more will reveal sorts of red flags about it. So yeah,
more will reveal itself, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm glad to hear that you're on the positive side of it, man. That's good to hear. We're going to shimmy everybody over to Team Money Space. I
posted it up at the top there, Edward.
So I've got to go let my dog out here.
If everybody could go make their way over to T-Money's, we're going to continue the 222 with the good morning space.
It's always great.
A lot of the regular faces in there should be fun.
I'm going to go let my dog out, get my kiddos, some breakfast,
and I'm going to be in the room.
I'm going to go help T-Money with some co- and breakfast. And I'm going to be in the room. I'm going to go help team money with some co-hosting Edward again,
buddy.
Love you to death.
Thank you for being here.
It's really comforting having a veteran on the,
on the back shift,
holding things down,
keeping it going.
I'm glad to hear on the,
on the,
on the positive side,
wish you all the best.
Have a great day,
dude.
And yeah,
we'll talk to you again this time tomorrow, I would assume.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
The name of the delivery thing in England monkeys who was referring to was love
Phil.
They delivered the DVDs and stuff out and you could pirate them and then send
them back. Anyway, I'll end there.
Good old days.
All right, buddy.
Listen, you have an absolutely wonderful day.
I will talk to you soon.
