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24 Hour Space December 27 US 6PM EST Goal - Raise $1600 Rush Browser
Recorded: Dec. 27, 2025 Duration: 5:51:02Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the potential of decentralized naming systems and their integration with the Rush browser and Handshake protocol. The conversation highlighted fundraising efforts to support the Rush browser, the intrinsic link between Rush and Handshake, and the vision for a future where programmable cubes facilitate human interaction in decentralized environments.
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Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music And good morning, good evening, wherever you are on this fine globe slash flat plane slash
curved plane slash giant globe.
I'm a giant globist then wherever you are
on this planet then welcome this is the attempt at a 24 hour space i'm not 100 confident that
i'm gonna get there but we'll see i've got quite a lot of hours in me but not quite 24 we'll see. I've got quite a lot of hours in me, but not quite 24.
We'll see if other people can step up and kind of carry the torch.
But the goal really is to raise money for the Rush browser and to raise awareness
of HNS names, Rush browser, and lots of other things in the Handshake protocol,
the Chia network. And I believe that the two protocols are intrinsically linked.
And I think it's a very curious case of timing.
And that's not just in terms of the 24-hour space, but the coming together of Handshake and also Chia and Bitcoin and Bitcoin too.
also chia and bitcoin and bitcoin too and we'll get into that but handshake is the uh the bitcoin
And we'll get into that.
fork that does a naming system and i think as it stands it's the best candidate to be the uh the
naming domain for internet too internet too that's the concept that dot coms the rented dot coms that's the first generation
thanks to DARPA and the child traffickers of the elite well we've got internet 2 which
will run by blockchain so rather than being run on underground networks it will be run on
underground browsers or rush browsers and it will link to handshake as it stands there can
always be a fork of handshake in the future or there could be another system that comes along
perhaps an nft naming system could work as well that's always possible but as it stands hns handshake
is live it's not coming soon it's been running for quite a few years now it's been five years and
more it's been running i think it was at 2019 i think it launched it may have even been just before
i forget the exact date but handshake only came to my attention just
probably eight weeks ago eight nine weeks ago thanks to, thanks to Roy, Mac and Roy, Mayan Croy, I think, actually,
Mayan Croy, Roy is his name. And Roy said that, you know, this thing that you keep going on about,
the naming system, which has been my biggest bugbear of Chia, is there was no naming system
that really ticked the boxes. In my opinion, a revolution occurs when a naming system gets picked up by influencers
and then goes mainstream.
As soon as a new naming system is used by Joe Rogan, it's game over for the elite.
As soon as a new naming system is running live, then any underground networks will no longer thrive because you've got no middle
men or middle man or middle woman or middle whatever you identify as, whatever naming system
you identify with, then this is decentralized. It can't be stopped. So Handshake is powered by Nakamoto One. That's the Nakamoto One consensus mechanism
that powers Bitcoin. Chia, which is a blockchain, so you've got Bitcoin One, which is Nakamoto
consensus. Handshake protocol, which is a naming system, which runs on Nakamoto 1. And then you've got Chia, which is Nakamoto 2.
So Chia, in every sense, is a successor to Bitcoin,
apart from the pre-farm,
and apart from really the way it's being run,
which is it's being manipulated with the pre-farm behind the scenes and uh
the price has gone down with chia so it's probably the only blockchain that only went down in price
for the whole years even after a halving its first halving no less which should be the most
disproportionately valuable one well chia has gone down and uh it's like four dollars now but
the need for a naming system whether she is four dollars or four thousand is the same you have to
have some sort of human readable name system that people can link to you have to have places people
can meet it's not about sending someone an xCA to a Bitcoin address. That's not how you
meet someone. You meet someone by meeting them at a website or in a location. Preferably,
it's a physical location. That'd be amazing if you could teleport to someone's, I don't know,
a mutual third place and then teleport back
to have a conversation physically, that's best.
Handshake in physical world, high five, do the deal,
look in the other person's eyes.
Is he a child trafficker?
No, he's not.
Okay, do the deal then.
Teleport back.
10 minutes done.
That would be the ideal.
Meet there. back 10 minutes done like that would be the ideal meet there a third party place
that neither the first person or the second person uh own let's say so it can't be manipulated
meet in a third place boom teleport back boom and then you're back and uh that life carries on
you want to invite a girl on date teleport there hello shirley fancy
going on a date no you're going out with barry on thursday but you know because teleportation is not
a thing it's we're told it's not possible but at least it's not running i can see and there's also
there aren't many rumors of teleportation so I'm
going to presume that we can't teleport places so with no teleportation to meet someone to do
business or to invite Shirley on a date requires something else and generally that something else
is an internet one website which is the DARPA CIA kind of walled garden,
limited hangout internet that has basically led to the world
almost being torn apart and everyone being broken,
almost homeless.
So internet one, let's just say that's sort of failed,
mild pass perhaps, because at least it got us here
having this conversation, but
let's just say it failed.
And then switch back to, I lost my train of thought, let me just sip my coffee.
It's early here, 6am, forgive me.
So we need places to meet.
So to invite Shirley out or to create a business deal,
if you can't meet face-to-face or eye-to-eye, handshake-to-handshake,
and if the internet one is increasingly censored,
then that place to meet is going to be another naming system.
So there's a definite need for a new naming system.
People, I don't think realize
that .coms are rented for one. Just need to sort my cables out. That's it. It's a bit
fidgety, but never mind. I put the extension on the audio cable, so it's oh something's come out test something had come out there
that was probably the headset but hearing the audio the microphone was
still on I just need to check this this could be I just want to double check
yeah that's it the headset was what came out. Sometimes if a microphone comes out, it actually disconnects the microphone and then it could ruin the space. So fortunately, it's okay.
where we need a new meeting place.
We need a new naming system
because meeting at an XCH address
or a Bitcoin address just doesn't work.
It's not memorable.
It's a simple psychology.
If you're going to meet someone,
you want to call them.
The phone number is quite hard to remember.
The Bitcoin and the Chia address is hard to remember. The Ethereum is quite hard to remember the bitcoin and the chia address is hard
to remember the ethereum address is hard to all the blockchain addresses are hard to remember
so where do you meet on a dot com on an instagram website on dot com instagram.com but that's all
centralized so there needs to be a new system and And that's what my vision really is,
is to make sure that there's a new system in play and in place.
And this is not a new idea for me
if people have been thinking of this for years.
I only really thought of names over the last four or five years.
But people who are, let's say, have been in the space for a lot longer
were thinking about the name coin the first bitcoin fork a long time ago in 2010 and thanks
very much for the tweet i got it last night i've read it before h ns broker at h ns broker h for happy n
for norman s for smiley b-r-o-k-e-r at h ns broker he shared or she shared the bitcoin talk forum
forum conversation from what was it? 2010, November, no, December the 9th, 2010. So 15
years ago, 15 years count the days. So it's a conversation between Satoshi and different
people in Bitcoin and Satoshi, the Satoshi, of course, Satoshi Nakamoto said, the inventor of Bitcoin said, I think it would be possible for BitDNS to be a completely separate network and separate blockchain, yet share CPU power with Bitcoin.
with Bitcoin. The only overlap is to make it so miners, that's what farmers would be called in
GIA, the only overlap is to make it so miners can search for proof of work for both networks
simultaneously. The networks wouldn't need any coordination. Miners would subscribe to both
networks in parallel. They would scan the sha such that if
they got a hit they potentially solve both at once a solution maybe for just one of the networks if
one network has a lower difficulty i think an external miner could call get work not sure what
that means on both programs and combine the work.
Maybe call Bitcoin, get work from it,
hand it to BitDNS, get work,
combine into a combined work.
Call get work.
So get work seems to be a thing
that's in between Bitcoin and BitDNS.
So Satoshi's first vision was Namecoin that linked to BitDNS.
DNS is what powers Internet One.
It's the, I'm not even sure what it means.
I think it means domain name system.
But I will double check that.
Domain name system, yeah.
The domain name system on Internet One is basically rented to the elite.
And a bit DNS would have been a decentralized name system and then
what satoshi was thinking back then 15 years ago was that that bit that chain could be powered
by the mining mechanism of bitcoin at the same time now that's quite interesting it doesn't
seem to be an idea that's been returned too much, at least not publicly.
It's not something you hear about in Bitcoin.
Why don't we have dual mining?
So that's something to think about here.
Perhaps it could H&S link to Bitcoin one.
Perhaps it's too late.
I'm not sure.
But it's interesting that Sat, Satoshi, he or she said that.
So combined work is what Satoshi is saying here.
But anyway, carrying on with what Satoshi said,
couple more sentences.
Instead of fragmentation, network share
and augment each other's total CPU power.
This would solve the problem that if there are multiple networks, they are a danger to
each other if the available CPU power gangs up on one.
Instead all networks in the world would share combined CPU power, increasing the total strength.
It would make it easier for small networks to get started by tapping into a ready base
of miners."
Okay, so, Toshi was saying there, it seems, that to stop different, you know, to stop CPUs being used as an attack
against other blockchains that use CPUs
because one becomes more popular perhaps,
then if they all use the same CPUs,
this was in 2010,
if they all use the same CPUs,
then that means that it can't be used as an attack.
So that's an interesting point as well.
Need to take that one down.
Should make notes on this space.
Combined CPU.
And Satoshi called it...
GetMining.
GetWork.
Not getMining. GetWork. get mining, get network, get work, not get mining, get work.
So get bit DNS connects to get work.
And I guess Bitcoin would link to get work as well. So it's not necessary for that necessarily in HNS handshake,
but I'm just keeping a note of it.
It's Satoshi's words are rare.
And since Satoshi has basically gone missing then,
or stop updating is probably the right way to phrase it.
I don't think he was abducted.
He sort of said, I'm moving on to other things or just to nothing perhaps.
So, Toshi is saying that combined CPU mining is important.
Okay, that's good to know.
I should just tweet this space out.
Oh, I almost thought I hit the stop button there.
Oh, that would have been a disaster.
It's very early here at 6 a.m.
I usually start at 9 a.m.,
so I thought I'd get a head start on the 24 hours
by starting a bit early.
So I'm not quite fully awake, although I'm sipping on my coffee.
It's nice.
The air conditioner in my room blows right down on the coffee.
The spot for the coffee, the air conditioner is like an Arctic breeze here.
No complaints there, but it cools the coffee down too quickly.
If I put the coffee on the other side of the table,
I'll be picking it over my left hand.
And that feels wrong.
And also, the air is still blowing on it just a few meters up the table.
If I put where the air conditioner is not blowing,
then I have to take the headset off and walk over to the coffee and sip it.
So it seems you can't have everything.
Maybe you can't have get mining.
Get work.
I'm not sure.
But I don't see why get work wouldn't work.
Let's get get work in the hashtag. Thank you. open mic chia and handshake space.
Raising funds for Rush browser. Okay, tweet it out.
I'll be back in the boil, as my friend would say.
kettling the boil, as my friend would say.
So we need a new name system in the world.
And fortunately, Handshake is running.
So it's not a case of we have to build a blockchain.
That's been done.
And in fact, a few weeks ago, I guess it was seven or eight weeks,
Bram said in a space that some of his code was used in Handshake.
So I thought that could be a potentially significant piece of information.
And that was the space with Charles Hoskinson,
the creator of Cardano and co-creator of Ethereum.
Those Bram and Charles met for the first time.
That was interesting.
I thought it was an iconic moment in cryptocurrency history.
Anyone there would know what it meant.
And Bram said before Charles even arrived that Handshake is using his code.
So that's a rare reference to his code being used by other projects. I think that's interesting.
So how does it all connect? The kettle boiling is distracting me slightly.
I'll probably just wait for it to boil. Thank you. E aí Thank you. Okay, I'm back.
I'm trying something new this morning.
I thought last night, buttercream.
Buttercream in coffee.
I'm trying that tomorrow morning.
It just felt right.
Butter is good in coffee
sweet coffee is nice although I don't drink
sweet coffee but I thought a black coffee
with some buttercream
which is just icing sugar
and butter
will be really nice
and I've got to say it's slightly underwhelming
I put a generous
dollop of buttercream
in it and it's
it tastes like a weak
tea. It got rid of the coffee
flavour
and replaced it with a sort of
non-flavour.
Butter alone is better. Anyway,
let's see. I'll judge it at the end
of the cup.
First impression is not that good. Buttercream in the morning coffee. Anyway, so we need an internet too. More or less, we need a new domain name system. that BitDNS could power it.
And then fast forward 15 years,
Satoshi is not talking publicly that we know about.
And different blockchains have tried to do it.
There's Ethereum names.
They're rented.
ENS.
Although well-named, ENS is a good name,
but they're rented.
Thumbs down. Then on Chia, we have&S is a good name, but they're rented. Thumbs down.
Then on Chia, we have, which is arguably Bitcoin too,
have the two rented name systems, the Chia name service, and also
the NamesDAO service, which is also rented. That's the nft name concept which i think is a
good idea i my first choice for naming systems was nft names and i still think that might be the best
long term if it can be done because the thing with an nft name system is an nft i think its core use is as a digital signing mechanism
over and above having the nft in your wallet like to signify that you control an image or you own
an image i think the main mechanism for nfts is signing things so nfts are digital signing equipment. And so if you have an NFT name,
you can use it to sign anything,
and that could even be an HNS name.
So I think the main advantage of NFT names,
if done well, and rented names are not done well,
they're designed to fail, unfortunately.
But if you design an nft name system well it can
perfectly link to an hns name system or a another name system because it can sign anything anything
programmed to link to an nft can be signed by that nft so an nft system, if it gained adoption, could be used to sign handshake names so they
could work together. And I think that's perhaps the future. The thing with NFT names is you can
sell them on the chain and NFT sales are taken care of by blockchains. You pay the fee if there's
miners, but it's taken care of by the, you know, you don't have to go to
the other biz to sell the name. If you own Microsoft in internet too, you don't have to go to
Sotheby's, you sell it as an NFT. If it's an NFT. Handshake is basically saying it's a different
blockchain altogether. So it's not an NFT name, it's a name on handshake. You own the rights to it.
But I don't see why NFTs on other systems couldn't sign things on it or connect to it.
And I like these long-form style spaces.
I haven't done one for a few months,
which was during the 222-hour space,
which was the Bitcoin 2 launch space that I...
Well, not a launch space.
It was more of an info idea.
It was like a thought process.
I did a two-hour, three-hour space and kind of monologued.
And I thought when it read back on Lurkey, it read back well.
I don't know how well it listened back,
but on Lurkey it created a good summary of everything.
So I thought it would be good to do a monologue this morning.
And so if we can get a name system running,
that's when the data layer from Chia comes in. So if we can get a name system running,
that's when the data layer from Chia comes in.
And data layer is the decentralized storage system
that probably rivals IPFS, I'd say.
Currently a lot of blockchain storage is done by IPFS, decentralized storage,
but data layer would be, I would say, even more decentralized again, kind of like a newfangled bit torrent. I could be wrong, but that's what it seems to be. And with Michael Taylor's
DIG network, he's working on the Dig nodes and sharing
the data around and possibly being paid for it. A sip of this buttercream coffee. It almost
tastes bitter. Quite weird. Icing sugar perhaps is the one that is like the false party here.
I've just realized that probably most people will read this back rather than listen to
it strangely.
So I always think I need to keep filling every minute with information, because when people listen back, if it gets boring, they'll switch off.
But realistically, most people will probably follow it on the Chia Lurkey page.
Lurkey is an AI-powered website that records people's voices and puts it in text
form. I'm sort of thinking I shouldn't really need to talk for every second in which case
I could do this monologue over five hours and it'll read exactly the same. Just the
times would be different. But when it was because it adds the time
oh 20 minute gap
but it wouldn't say it you'd just see it
I'll be back in a second There's an annoying buzz emanating from my refrigerator.
It's not impossible that a refrigerator could power a naming system in the future.
I think that's possibly the way it might go.
With the Bitcoin 2 slash Chia new consensus mechanism, Nakamoto 2, redone part 2 in a
sense, that's kind of nice.
Nakamoto 2 part 2 because it's second space format
that Pram has worked on.
Well, that's going to be coming out very soon.
And the minimum plot size is one gigabyte,
which is really good.
So one gigabyte can fit on a phone.
So you could have a plot file on your phone.
So if you can have a plot file on your phone, you could have a plot file on your phone so if you can have a plot file
on your phone you could have it in your refrigerator and you could have it in your microwave if it
could have memory in it and i'm not suggesting you put memory in your refrigerator it was just
a thought experiment ladies and gentlemen but in theory if a refrigerator had a hard drive in it, or some memory really, it wouldn't be a hard drive, it'd be flash memory, and it could have a plot on it, it could earn Bitcoin too.
Or it could earn, insert, get work, name system.
Perhaps it could be HNS, I don't know if that can link and do dual
mining but it's maybe possible or maybe in the future it'll be bitcoin 2 links to hns2
thanks to rush browser raul for saying that this morning i saw that in the in the comments yeah hns
2 raul named it i'm going to share it to the space.
He's the head of the Rush browser
who I'm hosting this space for.
I'm hoping that we can get some donations for it.
So if you're liking what you're listening to,
if you're getting information from this,
please donate to the godfather, Raul Putaria,
who is the head of the Rush browser. to the godfather Raul who taria
who is the head of the Rush browser.
So I think the donation I need to double check. I think the donation
information is on the rushbrowser.com website,
which I'll just double check.
Yeah, there's a donate button on it at the stop.
So the $680 is raised 1300 left okay i said
1600 in the space 1300 oh he's got a payment method in there there you go you can donate with
bitcoin to ethereum handshake usdt on tron usdc on tron monero or monero I'm not sure how you say that actually Solana, LightCash, BNB, SmartChain or PayPal.
Oh, he's got everything.
I think we can say Raul is a he.
So X handle.
Cool.
So if you want to donate, go to rushbrowser.com forward slash donate.
I should tweet that out.
So if you're liking what you're listening to, please donate to Raul.
I'll get it exact.
Donate here, 13,000, sorry, 1,320 to go.
1,320 to go.
But I'll leave the total off the tweet.
I'll just leave it as donate here.
There we go.
Share to the space.
So, yeah, Raoul said HNS2.
Now that is a thought. If there could be an updated HNS that could somehow mine, do a dual mining, get work mining, that could be interesting because you could get paid.
let me think this through,
you'd either get paid Bitcoin or Chia or Bitcoin or two,
as well as HNS or HNS2,
if it could be done,
if the dual mining thing could be done.
I don't think, I don't know.
I think Satoshi was saying that that stops the CPUs
from being used to gang up on other chains.
Like, well, Bitcoin's's 90 of all cpus so
you won't get any sort of chance to tap into that network so just do jewel mining
could it also be a bottleneck as well could be if everything is powered by one consensus mechanism
and a glitch was found in it everything everything could fail at once, perhaps.
And it's unlikely that would happen, by the way.
But, yeah, I'm not necessarily advocating for the dual mining idea,
but just based on that post that Satoshi put today.
Sorry, not that he put today, that was shared with me today.
HNS Broker shared it, so the timing is interesting.
And it's the top post that Satoshi said on that page as well.
I think I pinned it.
Yeah, it's pinned bitcointalk.org.
And that thread is up there.
is up there hns broker tweeted that out as a reply so yeah but a refrigerator could power
HNS Broker tweeted that out as a reply.
something so if there's a great mining consensus mechanism that mines then it could
power you could get paid passively for objects but you know you probably wouldn't do it in reality it's a bit of a gimmick but to a
mobile phone to a computer then it's a different story because you definitely will like my
computer's running now it is definitely open so if i had a piece of software running that could pay me a Nakamoto consensus crypto payment
for the actual names as well as the site,
for the names as well as the core blockchain,
then that'll be great
because you could just passively earn.
And I think that's the way forward,
is to have plots on mobile phones so my goal and i've said this before is to try and launch bitcoin 2
i'm not a programmer i'm not involved with bitcoin 1 but i believe chia is bitcoin 2 in in all but
the fact that it's got a pre-farm that's unnecessary, that's being used to manipulate Chia.
So the creators of Chia have got the best coder in the world, Mr. Bram Cohen.
And he has created the consensus mechanism, Nakamoto 2 consensus.
Yeah, it's been linked to Gene Hoffman.
And I might deliver a few truth bombs about Mr. Gene Hoffman's day, or perhaps I'll save it for a special occasion.
But that consensus mechanism has been created, and though it is linked to a blockchain TRIA that only goes down in price, that's very, very centralized, my personal goal is to launch Bitcoin 2 as a community project.
And this is what I talked about in the long-form space
three months ago in the 222-hour space.
In one of the spaces that I did is I think that needs to happen.
I think we need a Bitcoin 2 and we need a DNS,
almost like a d dns decentralized
domain name system and the best one right now is hns so
in order to use it you need a browser and that's what rush browser can do So I wish I could donate money. Times are a bit tight around here.
But I really strongly advocate for getting a browser out and to be open source so the community
can use it. If we could launch Bitcoin 2 and release a community browser that people could
help build decentralized applications in, then not just have you got Internet 2, you've got Metaverse 1.
And Metaverse, yeah, there's been other Metaverses before,
like Another World, I think it was called,
and Decentraland is a Metaverse.
So it wouldn't be the world's first Metaverse,
but it would be the world's first Metaverse standard
because you'd have a perfect
permanent name system rented if they're from handshake but rented with benefits but rented
with benefits or a permanent name system if that linked to bitcoin 2 that will by default create
a 3d metaverse because names will inevitably get used to link people
to 3D environments.
It's just a question of when.
If it's inevitable that they will link to sound, it's inevitable that you'll talk in
future metaverses with sound live linked to names that can sign things to prove who you
are.
Maybe you'd sign into a D at once with a name and then you're in, you're off, off you go.
Well, that's, or maybe you sign every time and in you go.
Well, a 3D visual metaverse linked to that name is almost inevitable
because humans live in 3D environments.
They don't live in 2D websites.
So a human is more likely to perceive the world through a visual metaverse
than a website-based one because it's just more intuitive.
It's like you're more likely to write words with a piece of paper and a pen
than you are typing on a keyboard.
A pen and paper is far more intuitive than a keyboard.
A keyboard is very unintuitive, but you can get used to it.
And I think the same thing will happen,
is websites are like the keyboard.
They work, and in fact they're powered by keyboards,
but a 3D metaverse is far more likely to be the thing that default location humans crowd around and meet at.
Social environments in a visual form.
I don't think there's anything in the world today that comes close to being able to do that.
I would have to give a nod to Decentraland.
That is very close. But I think that
this would probably be Metaverse 1, the first thing that links to a Nakamoto consensus blockchain
that is a name system. It may be Metaverse 2. I feel it's Metaverse 1, though. I feel it would
be the world's first true metaverse because you can't
take the names away from people decentraland i think the website can be turned off i think you
still own the nft of your land but the visual element of it is stored on web one services so
decentraland.com could be taken down or decentralandraland.org. I think that can go down.
So if Decentraland goes down, then the metaverse is gone.
But if a permanent name system was stored as NFTs, preferably on a blockchain,
those NFT names will undoubtedly power a visual metaverse somewhere.
And by somewhere, I mean on the data layer. It'll be on people's computers though.
It'll be shared around.
It'll be mirrored.
It'll be a 3D environment, no doubt.
Yeah, slightly bitter coffee that's getting too chilly by the second.
It's easy to gulp a coldish coffee rather than sip a hot one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Going to try something new.
Air conditioning off.
Door open.
But I'm...
Hopefully my voice won't be too loud that it'll...
No, it should be okay.
Where was I? so where was i so what 48 minutes down 23 hours to go i hope i can make it
i was kind of hoping i could get to 12 hours that was my first goal but we'll see i'm kind
of on my feet here a little bit i didn't sleep so well last
night but this is necessary oh i've got a weighted backpack on i keep forgetting i do that i'll start
a space with the weighted backpack on and i'll be like i'll just wear that for a little bit
and then i'll be like i'm getting tired i'm wearing a weighted backpack and i've just taken it off
now without the air con it doesn't feel right I'm wearing a weighted backpacker, I've just taken it off.
Without the aircon it doesn't feel right.
It's just that level of it's slightly too warm and the sound is a bit, like the sound of silence
is louder than like a sound of something.
So, okay, so there's a need for a new name system
and the Rush browser has kind of appeared to me
in the last, I guess, I'd say seven weeks again.
So it's the last couple of months, a lot of things have happened.
Just kind of riffing off the top of my head.
The Charles Bram space happened.
We've got Chia's at an all-time low.
Net space is at an all-time low.
It's down to eight.
I think it's Etherbytes. It was up at 20 in 2021. It's down to eight now. And they've got the new plot format
coming. So Chia's in a transitionary phase. Lots of people are struggling financially.
phase. Lots of people are struggling financially. Developers are starting to struggle. People are
being put out of work by AI, which is really sad. But there's one elite doing it all. And one elite
controls the dot coms. So if we can release a dot com too, as a community, that isn't just a fragmented thing, then we stand a chance of beating the bad guys.
So I'm a strong believer that the world needs a rush browser and it might need an underground browser.
And that's the other browser for HNS handshake I'd like to talk about today.
So this is a merging of two different
sort of worlds in a sense on paper cheer and handshake look separate
especially if you're in the cheer community you don't know about a
handshake but when you realize it's some of brands code is used in it it's like
oh hold on a sec digitally signing things from one blockchain to
another moving things where doing what meta versus spoken voice worlds what what what next ronda
rousey walks into a space and bitcoin 2 launches what chia imagine if ronda rousey walked into a
space and there's it's ronda rousey just giving pile drivers to everyone.
She's like, have a pile driver. I'm Ronda Rousey. Have one. Have one, Edward. Have one, Drack. Have one, Bullish.
Have one, Dusty. Ronda Rousey hits a pile driver on Dusty. Ronda Rousey hits a pile driver on Drack.
Ronda Rousey hits a pile driver on Gene Hoffa. Imagine if that happened.
Boom, pile driver.
One after the other, you'd be like, what's going on?
But I know I'm downloading it.
Follow the story on Handshake.
Follow the story on Rush Browser.
That's where it's going.
It's Google Chrome is dead.
I would also say Chromium might struggle because of the name. It sounds like Google Chrome is dead. I would also say Chromium might struggle because of the name.
It sounds like Google Chrome, unfortunately.
So that's one thing about underground browser I notice is it powers Chromium.
And it might be necessary to rename Chromium something else.
Because by saying based on Chromium, it makes it seem like
it's based on Google. And I think people want a fresh start. So if there's no major link to Google
with Chromium, it should probably be given a different name if you want to not put people
off slightly. That's just a thought off the top of my head. But I'll come back to Underground
Browser. That's really the second main contender that's come to the fore recently alongside Rush Browser.
So the way that Chia and Handshake will link is that you would get a Handshake name.
Your Handshake name would be on a different blockchain to Chia,
but that blockchain is powered by Nakamoto One.
And if you had the Handshake name,
you could get a subdomain system going
and then selling it or giving it to people on Chia.
Or you could give it away as prizes,
or you could sell it in auctions.
It's possible for the Hand handshake to do the naming
and for chia to basically link to it so chia and handshake link just like a handshake
so i think once the handshake names are out on chia i think people will be intrigued by it
and anyone can do it as well whether you need a bit of coding experience is another matter.
I'm not sure.
But lots of things are in a sort of transition place.
A second thing is coming out.
Second plot format.
Plot format 2. 2 chia is bitcoin 2
but it's not really bitcoin 2
because it's got a pre-farm
and that's being used to suppress the price
and the people who own the pre-farm are child traffickers
so that's not good
so I think bitcoin 2 should be Bitcoin 2.
It should be relaunched, called Bitcoin 2, and turned over to the community with no pre-farm from day one with a name system that's live, preferably on day one.
And that name system would be the DNS2.
So I think Rush Browser was the first DNS2 website that I know of.
But I think DNS2, we're going into the DNS2 era here. You can trace domain name system.
It's Internet1.
It's Microsoft.com.
It's Instagram.com.
It's Walled Gardens. It's Internet One. It's Microsoft.com. It's Instagram.com. It's walled gardens. It's DARPA. It's leading people to the slaughter. So DNS one is leading people to the slaughter. DNS two is decentralized. Decentralized with an S or a Z or a Z? I think Z is better. Duh!
DNS2 is decentralized. I just want to move my keyboard here. Okay, so we're going from the DNS one
era to the DNS two era. We're going from the Bitcoin one era to the Bitcoin two era. That's
brilliant synchronicity there. We're going from the Internet 1 to the Internet 2 era.
Internet 1 is...
we're going from
the internet one to internet two era on in the world we've got bitcoin one
which has basically changed finance and when when Bitcoin 2 launches at 2bitcoin.org,
if you're hearing that for the first time,
write that one down, 2bitcoin.org.
This is fairly breaking secret updated news.
This is a Team Satoshi project.
I'm announcing the launch of Team Satoshi
to help launch Bitcoin 2 and to release a permanent name system on Bitcoin 2 that is defining the Internet 2 era.
This is going to be DNS 2, and there are two browsers on Handshake in contention to be the default Bitcoin 2 browser.
One of them is Rush Browser, and one of them is rush browser. And one of them is underground browser.
So to be clear, this is not an elimination contest. We're going to get rid of one and
there's no cash prize. The goal is to get rush browser open source. So $1,600 rushbrowser.com.
If we can get rush browser open source, that means Raul,
the developer, will basically make it free for everyone. So it's not exactly free, it's $1,600,
but it means that after that, anyone can use it for anything again, free. So that's what this
space is for, to raise money for that, because when Bitcoin 2 launches, we need a browser that will link to the handshake
protocol that will surf the internet 2 for the first time ever. It will be the first time that
Bitcoin 2 ever links to the internet 2. It'll be a defining moment in history. The first name that
signs in will be like handshaking a new era of history it'll be like all the apostles and all
the king's horses and all the king's men and everyone comes together again and they handshake
one person and that one person is the first person to sign a handshake name once bitcoin 2 is launched
be very interesting to see who that is be etched into history forever perhaps so internet two would be a an uncensorable
domain system start a new piece of paper
internet two would be an uncensorable name system
did i say name before uncensorable. Internet2 will be an uncensorable name system.
I'm just running through the court. I've thought of this for months and months. I'm just
trying to methodically say everything clearly here. And I'm starting to invite people to be part of it.
I've already invited Mark Powers and he said yes. So Mark Powers is going to be helping us launch Bitcoin too. I will be asking people in Chia community, will they like to join Team Satoshi
to help launch Bitcoin too? This will divide opinion because it will probably be detrimental to Chia's price,
but not necessarily, though.
It might actually raise Chia's price significantly,
but nothing is guaranteed.
So I expect this will divide opinion, but I think it's necessary.
Chia's pre-farm is going to destroy Chia.
So let's just do Bitcoin 2 with no pre-farm.
Mining 2.
So Bitcoin 2 is also mining 2.
So we're going from mining 1 to mining 2.
It's called farming on Chia, but I would say that was a mistake.
here, but I would say that was a mistake. Nakamoto 2 consensus mechanism is maybe the most complicated,
brilliant maths ever written by a human being ever. And that may even include the Toshi Nakamoto
himself who wrote Bitcoin 1. So Bram Cohen's Bitcoin 2 mining consensus mechanism,
two mining consensus mechanism, mining two,
will be the second form of mining ever in human history.
Mining two will be the second,
I missed the rhythm of that one.
Mining one to mining two will be the second
mining mechanism in human history.
So if you miss Bitcoin one,
this is your chance to mine Bitcoin two from day one.
Most people didn't get into Bitcoin until years in.
The chance to get free Bitcoin from mining
is unfortunately long gone for most people.
Not everyone, you could do it on a computer,
but most people don't run a Bitcoin 1 node.
But I would say most people would run a Bitcoin 2 node.
Oh, yeah.
To not have a few Bitcoin 2 mines ready to go on day one
would be a real shame
because you'd be missing the gold rush era of Bitcoin 2.
So if I'm not mistaken,
it will be Bitcoin 2 that links to the internet 2,
not Bitcoin 1.
Although Bitcoin 1 can, and it probably will technically,
but I don't think Bitcoin 1 is designed to be the place where the world computer runs its digital gold,
possibly its cash, but Bitcoin 2 is looking like
it could power 3D metaverses on mobile phones,
or it could pay refrigerators money to just have a little stick of memory on it.
That's what this is looking like.
So one gigabyte is the minimum plot file of the new Nakamoto 2 consensus mechanism.
One gigabyte plot file, I think, changes human history.
So Chia's plot format currently, I think it's about, is it 30 or 80 gigabytes?
The new consensus mechanism is one gigabyte.
That goes on a mobile phone, which means anyone and everyone could mine Bitcoin 2 from day one.
That would be world-changing. That would get the influencers involved. Oh my God.
And then if we can give influencers a name, then we're planting the flagpoles of internet too
in an uncensorable way.
There's no way that the old era can carry on.
If there's an uncensorable thing that's profitable to use,
there'd be no reason for people not to take part in it,
unless they didn't like making money.
So the problem with Chia is the price has only just gone down the whole time
psychologically it's broken lots of projects and the problem is it takes an even bigger effort to
pick projects up and carry them into momentum again than it does to sort of fan the flames
of them from the start. So unless Chia is going to get grants funding, then I don't think that
it's going to succeed even if there's no Bitcoin too. So I don't think Chia's success is guaranteed.
And as someone who's always promoted Chia, i feel i should say that because i don't want
to lead people down the wrong path it looks like cni is just starting to increase selling the
pre-farm chia's cni strategy is has destroyed almost every project and broken all the trust trust, and looks, to all intents and purposes, like fairly deceptive behavior.
And building projects into that, starting today right now,
will be really hard to get momentum.
An influencer looking at Chia's price is going to be like,
well, they might see it as a chance to get a 50X,
but they might also see it as a chance to,
well, what do I get from this?
But if Bitcoin 2 has launched, now the influencers, they've gone from being not interested to salivating.
Like, are you kidding me?
Influencers can't stop.
They're looking for filming anything.
They want to film something by the river.
They want to film something in an amusement park.
They want to film anything, you know, makeup, shots, food.
So give them Bitcoin too.
Let the influencers run with it.
Give them the brush browser for free if it's open sourced.
$1,300 to go.
I don't think we've raised $300 today yet, to be fair.
So I'm not claiming credit for that.
But it was $1,600 last I checked.
It's $1,300 today.
So if we can raise $1,300 more, then Rush Browser can be open sourced.
Then it can link to Handshake.
Then it can link to Chia.
So as Bitcoin 2 has not launched, launched chia is still my number one uh focus so getting handshake
names on chia is important and we're making steps doing that so i'm talking for myself and roy here
uh roy introduced me to handshake uh and i think roy will be along soon but Roy
I like to give credit to people
who come up with the idea it's important to do it
just like it's important to give it to
Chia Pizza
in Chia who's at Chia Pizza on Twitter
it was he
slash she slash they
slash sentient
AI being said
that when you
create names burn the Ch chia so rather than having
a name system that links to a foundation just have it on chain and that is the best idea i think i've
heard in the whole of four years in chia i was like that is a winner so the permanent name system on Bitcoin 2 that I advocate for, all Bitcoin 2 will be burnt to create the name.
But I think the price for a name on Bitcoin 2 should be one mojo.
I've thought of this long and hard.
and what I think will happen is there'll be an absolute frenzy of activity to buy all the best
names on Chia, on Bitcoin too, sorry. Everyone's going to want Microsoft on Bitcoin too. Everyone's
going to want Amazon on Bitcoin. Everyone's going to want Google on Bitcoin too. I think there's an
argument to say, reserve those names, say the top 10 corporation names,
and basically tell them if they don't pay 50 million each
for it, then they'll basically,
we're gonna just expose child trafficking
on those wet names on Bitcoin too.
But if Microsoft wants Microsoft on Bitcoin too,
it's 50 million and that money will be given to some charity.
It won't go to us because there is no name foundation.
This is critical.
So there should be no name foundation on Bitcoin 2.
All names should be burnt.
Sorry, let me say that again.
That's not what I meant to say.
There should be no name foundation on Bitcoin 2,
but all Bitcoin 2 or Chia that is used to create the name should be burnt.
So in order to create a name, you have to burn a mojo.
And that mojo is burnt forever.
So names are deflationary.
What that means is for every name that's created, one mojo is gone from Bitcoin2 forever.
And that solves the how do we use the money
that comes in from the names when 10 million dollars comes in how do you use it that will
break a name system it'll lead to corruption and it'll become centralized so have all the names
created from being burnt not burnt the name but the 2 is burnt. So you transfer one mojo, you'd get the name.
But it doesn't end there.
Because if Bitcoin 2 launches and everyone wants to buy the,
let's say, football name on Bitcoin,
or let's say the cheesecake name on Bitcoin,
everyone's going to want to buy that because it's a true one-off.
If you could own cheesecake as a word on Bitcoin. Everyone's going to want to buy that because it's a true one-off. If you could own
cheesecake as a word on Bitcoin 2 in a permanent name system that designates the new internet 2
era, that is intrinsically valuable. Everyone's going to want it. Not 100% of everyone, but a
significant number of people would want to buy some of these names. One mojo is all it costs, you see.
So of course people, I would spend one cheer now
if I could buy a trillion names.
Are you kidding?
If I could send a trillion mojos and buy a trillion names,
I'd do it.
Not because I'm, well, maybe it's because I'm greedy.
I don't know.
But more for the maths of it, it's like that's a no-brainer.
But what if everyone did it together?
What will happen is who wins the block.
So it's not who's got the money to pay for the name.
It's who's willing to pay the Bitcoin to, to win that block, maybe million dollar mining fee go?
It goes to the miners who win that block.
So by making the price one mojo, it doesn't necessarily mean getting the name is cheap.
It's who wins that block and if each one is one mojo only and you advertise it
months in advance so that all the influencers are promoting it you're never inevitably going
to get a frenzy of activity as people like like when you throw like a mincemeat in the sea in
where there's lots of like catfish they sort of all come up like ravenous, like animals.
Well, one mojo names on Bitcoin too,
ravenous animals would be everywhere.
But so that it's who wins the block to own the name forever.
I've got to write that line down.
Who wins the block to own that name forever?
And that name is .Bitcoin2.
And it doesn't replace the HNS name.
Because HNS is a new system,
it always links.
So if you've got any NFT on any blockchain can sign HNS.
So you would have both by default. it always links. So if you've got any NFT on any blockchain can sign HNS.
So you would have both by default.
So Bitcoin two names would link to HNS very easily,
but winning the name in the first place, if it's one mojo, there'll be a frenzy of activity to win the block.
And that won't just be a one week thing That will be ongoing because it will just keep going forever
because there's an infinite number, not quite infinite,
but there's an almost infinite number of names out there
because once Microsoft 45 has gone, there's Microsoft 46.
Then there's Microsoft 489.
And then there's Microsoft 4,862.
Then there's Microsoft 4,867,000.
And you're only limited by the number of characters.
And the number of characters will be so long
that all the humans in the world today,
even if there's 70 billion, you won't use all the names up.
So as long as someone wants to create a new name
for one mojo, for example, let's create a name
for a game in the future as a one-off
and get rid of the name after that it's a new id let's say create the name low block fee in the
future in 10 years one mojo you've got the name finish with the name send it to the burn address
or just leave it somewhere else but miners will still get paid that in 10 years where the name is created
because you'll still have to pay the block fee unless the fees are free at that moment but
as we know with bitcoin and chains that get used they're never like always free they'll always be
someone who exploits the free part of the transaction. So it's unlikely the mining fees will be free in the future, I think.
But wow, if you had a frenzy of name buying, people's grandmas are getting Bitcoin 2 names,
people's aunties are getting Bitcoin 2, and Hilda around the corner is getting Bitcoin
in Bitcoin 2. Why? Well, because why wouldn't you have a Bitcoin 2 name? Because it's your location
2 names.
Why?
Well, because why wouldn't you have a Bitcoin 2 name?
and it comes back to this thing, your location in the internet 2 era.
Humans meet in locations, they don't meet in addresses. When I say addresses, I mean
blockchain addresses.
Probably it's the wrong way to say it.
Humans don't meet at numbers.
They meet at locations.
And psychological locations are names.
So it's inevitable that people want a Bitcoin 2 name just so that they're there.
And they also own a website forever, by the way.
Now that is cool. Imagine owning a website forever, by the way. Now that is cool.
Imagine owning a website forever for one mojo.
Well, that's what this would be.
It would be anthilda57.bitcoin2.
And where do you find anthilda57.bitcoin2?
You don't have to remember the .bitcoin2 because it's intuitive. All you'd have to do is remember anthilda57.bitcoin2. You don't have to remember the .bitcoin2 because it's intuitive.
All you'd have to do is remember anthilda57. So if this permanent name system is done well,
not just does it link to Chia, not just does it link to Handshake,
but it gives anyone who has one mojo of bitcoin 2 a website forever
hashtag unless they're hacked there's always the you lose your key
you've banged your head you forget where your key is you forget the password
it can be lost but only if you lose it i think is safe to say
but only if you lose it, I think is safe to say.
So Bitcoin 2 websites would link to data layer.
And you're then in the realm of creating a 3D metaverse.
It's the inevitable next step.
They won't power anything but a 3D metaverse eventually.
I'm sure that you'll meet Aunt Hilda 57 at her metaverse,
which will be her Bitcoin 2 name.
This single name should do everything.
There should be no need to have multiple subdomains and top domains.
One name should be enough.
I'm Edward.
In people's mind, I think I'm not.
Edward dot this, dot that, dot the other.
It makes it too complicated. One name is the way forward. If you want subdomains, that's where
Handshake comes in. It's beautiful. It links. So Handshake always is there as a subdomain provider.
So if you've got a Bitcoin 2 or a Chia name that's permanent, which Chia doesn't have
still, but if you did, you could link it to a handshake name and update it just like that
and do subdomains there. So it doesn't exclude subdomains. It just keeps it as a single name
system in a sense. Bitcoin 2, one mojo per name and i know there'll
be some programmers and people out there who say well why don't we do one bitcoin two name dot
something else because then i could have a a football dot cricket name or a football dot
like so one person doesn't get football let's create lots of subdomains it doesn't
psychologically it's too much grandma won't understand it aunt hilda won't understand it
the only thing that they will understand is one name if if people don't if people can't use a
blockchain by just having one name it's going to be too much for them. So when you go on Rush Browser and an
underground browser, both of which I'll talk about more in a bit, but if you go on Rush Browser in
the future when it's open source, $1,300 to go, donate on rushbrowser.com. I'm probably going to
start doing prostitution soon, by the way. It's getting to that point. I always said that if necessary, I'll start prostituting my body out to raise money for Chia. And it is
getting close to that point where it's needed. So it's not quite, I'm not officially a prostitute
yet, but at some point I might start, you know, we'll see. Chia, don't make me do it, Gene, please.
Gene Hoffman, I shouldn't be having to prostitute my body out. The Chia grants Don't make me do it, Gene, please. Gene Hoffman, I shouldn't be having to prostitute
my body out. The Chia Grants Program should have given grants out to some projects. $10,000
would have changed Chia's history two years ago. I was this close to setting up a 24-7
hour network for spaces. I would have done it. I only needed $10,000. You didn't even reply
and say yes or no. Something is not right there, Mr. Hoffman. But even still, Chia will need a lot
of investment to get projects cooking again. And they're not giving grants out. So I say just do
Bitcoin 2 and give the name Bitcoin 2 to the developers and say, there you go, Drek, there
you go, Bullish, there you go, Dusty, there is the Bitcoin 2 name for you.
If you think that Chia is not sexy, which it's not, it also doesn't sound nice on the
tongue, Chia.
It's like a, it's just, it's Bitcoin 2.
Like if you, Robert De Niro walks in on a movie
and announces something like Bitcoin 2's launch,
does it sound sexy if he's like,
hey kid, cheer, huh?
Or is it like, hey kid, Bitcoin 2.
The 2 has got to be the best branding ever.
The only number that has a chance to be better than the number one is the number two.
And it's downhill after that.
780 doesn't have a chance to be the top number.
I still think number one is the best number because it's a default easy place.
But the only number that has a chance to beat number one in terms of relevance psychologically is the number two.
Aliens is basically alien two and terminator two is basically the sequel of terminator so you've got terminator one forgotten about as a film terminator two is the one people remember
alien some would say one of the best horror films ever, is forgotten about because of Aliens, also by James Cameron, by the way.
So Terminator 2 and Aliens, which could have been called Alien 2, psychologically, the sequel is better than the original, psychologically.
So the only possible name better than Bitcoin 1 on Earth that will ever exist is the name Bitcoin 2.
So if you want to give developers a chance to promote their project, basically get momentum or gas,
then the Bitcoin 2 name is just sitting on the table, literally waiting to be taken.
I think that needs to happen.
Without it, Chia is probably going to fail.
Prefund is going to be used to keep attacking it and it'll be world war three so i'm declaring this the start
of bitcoin 2 versus world war three that's just a edward there i I'm not part of the official promotion, but I think if Lurkey is not listening
and it doesn't hear the sentence Bitcoin 2 versus World War 3,
then Lurkey is not in the house.
In the house with Lurkey.
Lurkey, the revolutionary, beautiful, brilliant technology app
that summarizes spaces.
What a way it's changed the world i can ramble for hours and it just summarizes it as a text and everyone gets to see it so whether you
think edward has gone crazy or not if you're reading about edward spaces on lurkey thanks
very much anti-censorship tool lurkey thank you but bitcoin 2 versus War three, I think is a real scenario. Psychologically,
Chia versus World War three isn't going to work. It doesn't really mean anything,
but Chia is definitely part of it. But Bitcoin two is the best naming
system that there could be. So if you do a single name system on Bitcoin two,
you're doing .com twos, you're doing Bitcoin two, you on Bitcoin 2, you're doing .com 2s.
You're doing Bitcoin 2.
You're doing internet.
You're doing all these 2s all at once for the same time.
It reminds me of the Odysseus story slightly.
At the end when you have to fire the arrow through all the axe handles.
I think it was axe handles.
Basically, it has to hit an apple and it goes through like a small window but only
if it's lined up it feels slightly not slightly it feels very very very much to me like things
are lining up the number two is just screaming out if you were looking at the paper and the number that jumped out was 68 it wouldn't make sense
even the number three the only thing i can think of with regard to the number three is world war
three which the elite who control dot com ones are planning as they planned world war one and two
that's another story but bitcoin two stands a real chance that if there is some sort of elite planning,
Bitcoin 2 is just that secret magic source that can combine everyone.
Did Satoshi leave something more valuable behind than Bitcoin
as a consensus mechanism on blockchain?
Did he leave behind the name Bitcoin?
And there may be a Bitcoin foundation that says they legally own the name. They don't own the name Bitcoin. And there may be a Bitcoin foundation that says they legally own
the name. They don't own the name Bitcoin too. Even if they do legally, they can't stop other
people saying it. Words are not censorable in speech. So if Bitcoin too launches,
it's inevitably going to spread like wildfire. And if you throw a name system out for one mojo at a time,
anyone who wins one block of Bitcoin 2
could buy a trillion names right there and then.
Actually, no, they couldn't.
Let me rephrase that.
Because you'd have to do a trillion transactions,
which isn't possible.
If you had a trillion mojos as a Bitcoin 2,
you would have the buying power of buying a trillion
names in one Bitcoin too. And if these names spread like wildfire, which I think they will,
nothing like this has ever happened before. This would be the biggest launch ever
bigger than terminator 2 bigger than bitcoin 1 bigger, bigger than Bitcoin 1,
bigger than the Ocarina of Time on the N64.
I never thought I'd say it.
This, if Bitcoin 2 came out of the blue,
it would be the biggest launch of anything ever.
And you know what?
Chia is Bitcoin 2.
So to not say it directly and to lose all that brand value, it's the wrong decision. Whoever made the decision to not call Chia has been infected with a lethal dose of poison.
And there's absolutely no way around it.
That's what's sad.
Actually, it's not.
Actually, that makes me happy.
Because it's a clear poison that makes me happy. If it was a really dangerous poison that might kill you, that would make me really unhappy.
that would make me really unhappy because there's a gray area but because chia linked itself to
Because there's a gray area.
carbon credits so publicly that's a definitive okay chia's cooked as a brand shout out to mark
powers for that word cooked his word not mine i thought she was had basically i did warn gene
i tried to warn gene about it. I said that this will,
there's no way that Chia can gain adoption if you link to the carbon credits, because
carbon credits are a scam. They're a criminal enterprise and also a psychological lie.
CO2 is not bad for the environment. That's the science, or at least what I can deduce,
That's the science, or at least what I can deduce, because trees breathe in, if that's the right word, carbon dioxide.
So because Chia didn't name itself Bitcoin 2, but then linked itself to carbon credits, it's inevitably going to fail.
And most people have not woken up to the fact that climate change is fake yet.
And by the way, the world is being ruined.
I want to be clear. There's more poison and plastic and rubbish ruining the world now than ever before.
But the people saying carbon dioxide is what's doing it are the people that are doing it.
So I'm against the climate change narrative, but I'm pro that the world is being ruined. And I want
to stop the world being ruined and it will in World War
Three. So let's stop World War Three with Bitcoin to give people a name system, open source Rush
Browser at rushbrowser.com forward slash donate. Prostitution available soon. Hashtag Lurky.
Will you put that one in there Lurky? Can I solicit sexual things on Lurky?
I guess you'll probably edit it out, Mr. AI,
but it's not live yet.
But if we can rushbrowser.com forward slash donate,
then this browser could power Bitcoin too.
So I'd like to talk a little bit about my vision
for what the browser might do.
And I'm happy if other people take these ideas and do it.
I'm not looking for a payday for this.
This is my passion.
If these ideas are done, I'm happy.
I don't need, what's the word, remuneration for it.
So I can happily put these ideas out.
If someone reads it and thinks, I'll do that, please do it.
Don't wait for me on this.
So I'm going to run through some of my thoughts for the rush browser in a second.
But before that, I'm going to fill up my coffee.
I'm going to test some music.
Thinking about it, I won't be able to tell if it plays.
Oh, maybe I can.
Can I listen on my phone?
I think it won't work work i was going to suggest playing
music for a moment but i've just remembered that the the pc version of twitter filters out music
from this headset so it will be silenced to anyone at home but i'll be under the illusion
music is playing so i'll be back in a second it'll be silent for a moment please do bear with me Thank you. Thank you. and i pick my pipe up and who walks into the room but stephen? And shout out to Who is Stephen as well.
Very, very curious about who is Stephen.
But Stephen Black?
Is Stephen Black?
It's Who is Stephen?
It's Stephen Black.
Could you see the synchronicity here?
Can we get Stephen Black upon the stage, please?
I think this will be amazing.
I'm going to have to smoke some weed.
Stephen Black is one of the...
Hey, who is good to see you, my friend. Well, I say my friend. I don going to have smoke some weed. Stephen Black is one of the... Hey, it was
good to see you, my friend. Well, I say my friend. I don't know who you are. If you're
some depraved maniac who we don't know who it is, then... But I'll presume you're my
friend. But Stephen Black, please do come up. I'll be back in a second. I'm just going
to get my lighter Thank you. I'm coming, Hammer.
I'm coming, dear Hammer.
I'm coming, Hammer.
There we go. I was just what what a what a treat i left the room to uh get my lighter and when i come back stephen black is on stage and then the most legendary nft in cheers history is the stephen
cat nft so what you see i I'm talking to Steven Black now.
What you're seeing on,
in the profile picture
of who is Steven
is basically
the most famous NFT in Chia,
in the Chia Friends blockchain.
And then you came in at the same time.
So if that isn't
beautiful, I don't know what is.
I'm only quite high as well.
So let's fix that.
Woo!
Woo!
This is the launch of Bitcoin 2.
Public announcement.
Bitcoin 2 coming soon.
It's World War 2 versus Bit... Sorry, it's World War 3 versus Bitcoin 2 coming soon it's World War 2 versus
sorry it's World War 3 versus Bitcoin 2
to Bitcoin.org
I'm just going to put my lighter
somewhere else I'll be back in a sec
Can anyone hear me?
I have to move the lighter elsewhere.
Oh, who is Stephen is on stage.
Can you hear me?
Two Stevens on stage.
Yeah.
Hello, Stephen Black.
Welcome.
Welcome, Stephen Black, to the 24-hour space.
And welcome, who is Stephen to the 24-hour space?
That's me.
Can you hear me, though?
Yeah, the beautiful hammer oh wow it took me a minute to
get my permissions uh settings all good for for the app oh that's fantastic yeah just to clarify
it this is my friend steven i sometimes call him hammer as a as a joke he calls me hammer
it's just a nickname but I'll call him Stephen this is
a weird thing but oh sorry please go ahead who is Stephen I'm looking forward to hearing your voice
I'm just listening man and um I just wanted to say hi I'm actually putting my kids to sleep so i'm gonna have
to get off again but i'm looking forward to get back on in a little bit but i'm gonna be listening
with the bluetooth but i really like the bitcoin 2 talk you were saying i've always wondered i've
seen it and i never understood what you meant by bitcoin 2 and it's brilliant so i think that's
awesome and uh i also like how you could be critical
of certain things that many people
aren't kind of afraid to be critical of.
And I think that's important.
That's how we get the best results
is people openly talking about that.
But yeah, it's great to be here, man.
I've been following, I have a couple other X accounts
and I've even posted stuff know climate change and stuff in the
past and i remember you liked it way way back in the day but um kids are calling me so i'm gonna
let you guys go i'm gonna keep listening though okay because let's put them to sleep awesome
thanks so much really yeah yeah nice talking to you guys but maybe i'll get on a little bit
Nice talking to you guys, but maybe I'll get on a little bit.
Okay.
Bye, guys.
What's synchronicity?
Goodbye.
That's great.
The synchronicity there, Stephen, is like, I guess you've seen his username
because it's not fully showing on my thing, but his name is WhoisSteven.
I just can't get around it.
Is it?
Seriously?
Oh, WhoisMrSte it. Is it? Seriously? Oh, who is Mr. Steven?
Can you believe that?
And you walked in when I was out the room as well.
So it wasn't even just that I was watching.
I was like, oh, Steven's here.
I walked out the room, came back with my weed pipe,
the professional I am,
the professional broadcaster midstream off to get a hit.
And then you're there.
Who is Steven?
I feel that if Bitcoin 2 launches on the back and who is steven it's i feel that this
if bitcoin 2 launches on the back of who is steven it's steven black i think we've got a
a new era the steven black era smash it it's a winner it's a winner
so i i don't know how long i have to speak, how long we can talk here.
I'm going to be like the other fellow,
so I'm going to be helping my mom in with groceries
and then taking off to a little post-Christmas party in the car.
I might be able to talk through the Bluetooth,
but I like what that other fellow said.
He's interested in hearing more about Bitcoin too.
And what else did he say?
Something about unpopular points of view on things such as climate change,
which I second that motion.
I like that type of talk.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah thanks for saying it as well because that's basically a hundred percent
a lot of people who have been on stage of basically agreed that climate change is basically
there's something wrong about it what to what degree you know i'm not putting words in your mouth or who is Stephen's, but we all agree
that we need to be critical of it, I think.
I fully agree. There are a lot of memes that are memorable and humorous as well, that bring
attention to what we're saying, such as like climate change activists are zero for 42 or 40 something
and calling for the world is going to end and be covered.
And the poles are going to be just flooded in water.
The world's going to end
or something like this, you know?
I'm doing five things at once here,
but I think you know what I'm saying.
They're wrong, constantly wrong.
And another thing,
there's some talk in Capitol Hill,
I think it was,
or in the, I don't know,
the USA has different Congress. let's just say it was
congress and who was there what's that guy who ran for the presidency a few years ago
I'll get his name Dwayne Johnson uh the tall guy quite tall I'll get his name in a few minutes, but he was trying to
debate climate change with someone up on stage or someone up above him. And they found out that
Kerry, John Kerry, John Kerry was, he's pro climate change and we have to shut the world down to stop using oil and all these make extreme, make extreme changes.
And the guy who he was debating was, well, for one, maybe a small point is, can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, loud and clear.
A small point was
Kerry doesn't even have a degree in science
for one.
And two, he's arguing that because of the CO2 levels,
that's proof that there's climate change
or global warming rather.
And the guy who was, I guess, debating the other point was saying,
listen, before humans were around, CO2 levels were in the 200 levels.
They're currently in the, I think, around in the 40 levels.
So John Kerry didn't have an answer for that and made him look a little silly.
These are just some of the things off the top of my head that, you know, we have constantly
the end of the world is going to happen next year and guaranteed, you know, and then it
doesn't happen. And this has happened over 40 times that they've been suggesting these numbers and uh yeah
that's all i gotta say for for now here
to me i'm sorry guys i'm back uh that's okay um to me it's very obvious it's a very obvious scam
it's it's it's almost like magical like people if you stop driving your car you can
change the temperature but the the real thing is they don't care if me and you and other people
know because the masses the the the masses of npcs out there that have been programmed
since childhood with television and whatever it is,
they don't think.
They don't think at all.
They just kind of accept these thoughts and accept things from other people.
And it's very obvious.
And that's why it's kind of chilling when you see people who you know are smart leaders
who can't quite say, you know, they're going along with it.
And so it makes me question their integrity.
It makes me question their thoughts because it's like,
if I can figure this out and you're a CEO or you're this or that,
how, like, cause it's so obvious.
They just want to, you get rid of oil, you get rid of people's energy.
Guess what you do? You bring people back into the stone age.
You take it. It's anti-human by its design.
And we are willingly accepting this
type of stuff by even just letting it go and so i think about it like this when i hear you talk
about it openly it's it's important because i remember with the covet and the masks everybody
was scared to take the mask off everybody and then i remember me and my buddy we wouldn't wear it
we go out people would confront us they give us was actually really nasty, the type of people and how they acted. But eventually, people saw us
not wearing the mask, and they were brave, and they took off the mask. And more and more people
do it. And that's the same thing with this climate change talk. They got everyone so scared
that no one's talking about it. So unfortunately for us, we have to be the ones who go out,
talk about this nonsense, because it's literally nonsense.
Like I can't respect anyone who's an adult who literally thinks you can change the weather with cow farts and stuff.
It's so easily fooled.
Like people are, they're silly.
But yeah, I think we just have to keep talking about it and all these other things because we need diversity of thought.
My biggest problem with mankind and people right now is the group think. Everybody is programmed to think the same. I can meet somebody
in five minutes, hear their politics and know everything about them because it's pre-programmed
and it's very, very rare to meet somebody who has their own thoughts. And when they do,
I listen. Even if I disagree with them, it's just so interesting to see another human being who's thinking on their own. Because it's so easy, whatever it is, to just accept whatever's going
on in the world, not argue, don't stick out. And they're leading us to our demise. People are
willingly walking into hell. I like energy. I like oil. I like class. Everything that comes with this
world, none of it's perfect.
But it doesn't mean we just burn it all to the ground. And I just think the NPC group think is
that's all the elites or whoever is running the show want to control because there's always going
to be outliers like us who are openly thinking, but they don't care because we're like 5% of the
population. As long as they have the hordes of zombies, mindless zombies out there and they can
control them, it doesn't matter.
So I think they know.
I think it's a big, big joke.
They know, we know, and it's, but what are we going to do about it?
The mindless civilization that we created is all aboard.
And I'm talking about educated friends, people who you think should know better,
never stop to think or question. And it's like, it's, it's the same. They've been doing this for
thousands of years with people believe in nonsense, but the elites make it up or whoever
makes it up. I don't know where it comes from. I'm not going to go that far, but it's, it's just
so obvious. And I actually, I, yeah, I just, I respect Edward.
I've just been following your, you know, just being able to say something like that.
Because sometimes I want to post something.
And it's like, well, 100 people are going to hate me if I say this.
And they don't think.
And, you know, maybe we shouldn't care what they think.
Because it's about time we act like adults.
We need thinking people.
People with their own thoughts,
people with their own ability to critically view the world.
And the people running the show, that's the last thing they want.
They want to tell you the script.
They want you to go along.
And when you stand out, they'll hit you with the hammer, fit back in.
And it's just a shame.
It's everywhere.
Intelligent people are falling for it.
They don't question anything.
And anyway, I think that's my kid in the back screaming,
but hopefully it's not too bad.
But it's cool to be in this convo.
Hopefully I can keep hanging out with you guys for a little longer.
But yeah.
Amen, brother.
Well said.
I love that
yeah i loved everything i heard right there mr steve appreciate it nice to meet you guys
nice to meet you too introduce steven and steven please may introduce steven
so mr steven what country are you in? U.S.
Okay, I'm in Canada.
Nice.
We're going through similar struggles, the U.S. and Canada,
and just different levels, I guess.
But if we don't speak up for all these problems,
no one will, because we're the only thinking people left
and so it's like if we don't do nothing it's over it maybe not in the next five years ten years but i have children i think what's next 40 years gonna look like and i've seen how fast
things change in the last 40 years like in one 40 year session, it's dramatically different. The, the, the, the people, the, the culture, everything is just transformed.
And so if we move this fast and you know, this quick, what's it going to be?
And so hopefully we can have some more diversity of thought.
And that's one of the reasons I actually got into Chia.
Cause it appeared to be people who think a little more,
It appeared to be people who think a little more.
A lot of the NPCs don't come into projects until the price is going up.
It takes a really thinking person to buy into dips, buy into falling prices the way they have been.
So a lot of the people I have run into are intelligent, but I only see Edward.
He's the only one talking about climate change.
We don't really need to get,
it's not like I have to,
that's not my main goal to talk about that,
but we need people who think.
And so diversity of thought is good.
And I think that's in Chia for the most part.
But yeah.
Have you heard other people mr. Steve have you heard other people talking about chia at on X specifically that follow
people and um it's quite a few people it we I honestly don't think there's gonna
be a big crowd unless the price goes
up. It's just going to be us. Because everyone, I could sit down with somebody, explain to
them how this is really different and this is a special project and everything is going
good and they won't care. They will sit there and buy the meme token or it, certain people
can't get it.
They, they, they just won't.
And they're just liquidity.
And so yeah, it's cool following people.
There, there are definitely very intelligent people in this community.
And, uh, I like hearing what they say, even if I don't agree with them, because
they're obviously smart at something to get in the positions they are in.
But, um, yeah, I hear a lot of talk about how do we
get more people into Chia? Price. The price. Bitcoin too, also, that was a really cool idea.
I haven't heard it until today. But the price. If you can get the price up, people will come.
They will come. It is almost impossible to get people to come when the price is going down. I have tried. I have talked to smart people.
And it's just most people don't even invest like that.
And there is a specific class of people like Howard Marks, people who buy into distressed assets.
But again, that's not a big group.
And as long as this is acting like a distressed asset, I don't see...
We got to...
We're screwed.
We have to really get the price up.
And we have to think about how to get the price up.
And it's definitely possible.
But it's not going to be...
Entrepreneurs.
Yeah, there you go.
People who can think forward thinkers.
I got...
I finally got my buddy
in here. He's the advisor
for the project
at Maha Dex.
He's the dark web
security advisor.
He's been around the block. He's
known how a lot of scams
operate and stuff.
I wanted to let him speak here for a bit, if that's
alright. He's got some stuff to say on like how he's basically helping me create like a,
and advising me to create like a solid web three marketplace based on programs like Chia and
Handshake and Rush Browser to basically create like a decentralized place for entrepreneurs to have a hub to come
together to be able to help pump these chains with organic capital and such. Nice.
And yeah, welcome. Welcome to the stage who we did a namespace a few weeks ago and he's working on bringing is like a decentralized
ebay if i'm not mistaken and that will be coming out i think you said next year most likely and
i think it's running from handshake which is the naming system dns2 so is that a fair summary? Yeah, Colin, do you want to go ahead and explain?
Yeah, so Colin, nice to meet you guys.
I do some OPSEC.
I'll do OPSEC and deep web security.
So I could run this in a decentralized environment,
like a virtual environment like Tails.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with that
Tails are you guys familiar or no?
I'm not familiar with it now. Okay, well, it's it's basically it's a
decentralized program and it's completely anonymous, it's basically a decentralized program, and it's completely anonymous, and it's encryption via tour-to-tour.
So a lot of the government agencies use it, for instance, like the CIA, NSA.
And it basically is when you plug Silk Road, that guy used it.
When you plug your hard drive into the computer whatever's on it is on it and
then you do whatever you need to do and then when you unplug it then everything erases off the
computer using it on so it's really high security level stuff yeah that's the kind of thing we're
looking to do like no running on the deep web at all
and you're making this decentralized and you're going to do any of that you need like good opsec
cyber security and stuff like that
yeah and just to make sure that there's the least amount of uh because everybody wants to talk about
like privacy token this like privacy
coins that but nobody actually is really like paying attention especially to you know like
from a perspective where you have anonymity like that there's a lot of scammers and people out
there that are going to be trying to like bullshit your program as well especially if you're like
selling something like i know uh what is it col if you're like selling something. Like I know,
what is it, Colin, you want to speak on sometimes like how in those chats and stuff like that,
or like even just within that type of environment, there's just a lot of people that, you know,
you got to like form like a relationship, a trust with them kind of in like a, you know,
like, I don't know how to exactly say it, but it's almost in like a you know uh like i don't know how to exactly say it but
it's almost in like a decentralized manner and it's kind of hard to be able to do that because
there's just some i mean you're in an environment where scamming can be extremely ripe since there's
a lot of people that are like completely anonymous and that are using programs i also um i code with ai which anyone can do
i made an ai agent so i'm uh i'm able to do a lot of different things to prevent um i don't know
scams a lot of different things to prevent some of these uh security errors and other code that get exploited.
So, I mean, I could make it, I don't know.
I could use AI to make anything and any part of it better,
any feature as well as increasing its security.
Yeah, that's a whole good thing too,
where like Web3 and AI and all this stuff comes in
because it makes basically anybody capable to be able to do these things and like develop this
kind of stuff and then like leverage your expertise.
Yeah. So that's mainly my standpoint. I'm just sitting here listening.
So nice to meet you guys.
Nice to meet you. Thanks for coming up.
Who is our, are you from chia myself or
uh who is who is the uh speaker who is with the blue check mark oh no no i don't work for
i'm just some guy oh i thought you were from chia because you were talking about it earlier
are you guys uh what is it i know chia is that like basically just like decentralized web storage
for web 3.0 kind of like a file coin almost well i think that's very telling that you don't know
that i think for the people who are listening to this, that should be a warning sign. If Chia is still, it's unknown what it is to people.
People have not heard of Chia, but no, Chia is the blockchain.
It's basically, it's Bitcoin 2 named wrongly.
And that's why I had to keep a Bitcoin 2 launch at 2bitcoin.org.
But yeah, it's a Nakamoto blockchain.
Sorry, Stephen.
Who is Stephen?
I've heard of it before.
I thought it was a decentralized file coin service.
I might have been thinking of SIA or something like that because I know there's a very similar name.
It's decentralized file coin, basically.
Yeah, that sounds like Chia. chia yeah a lot of websites have like kind
of said it like that they've classified it like another file coin but it's a lot more than that
like you were saying Edward it was a Nakamoto consensus if I could just this is just my random
guy point of view it's basically like a Bitcoin where it's much less energy intensive.
And I used to be a miner.
I used to be a GPU miner.
I used to do these things.
And where I live, it's so hot.
Electricity bills are so much.
It's basically impossible.
And it's not a long-term solution.
And I really don't think Bitcoin, as much as I would like it to to work i would love to have some solid money in the
world eventually if the the havings keep coming like it's bitcoin's kind of set up through a way
where it has to double in price like every four years it has to forever and there is no investment
that that in the world that can do that it can't last 100 years doing that everything will break so they had the people who
made chia were trying to find a way to solve the energy issue of bitcoin and i think that was their
main goal and it came but they've done a lot of other things that are good but that's kind of the
big deal because i'm able to farm as they call it instead of mining from my house in the future from my phone. And it's much
more accessible because if you try to follow people who actually do mine Bitcoin, like there's
a guy, Voscoin online, and he's struggling. Bitcoin's at $120,000, $80,000, whatever,
whatever, he's still struggling. In order for them to make money, it's just got to keep going
up forever and
all these people are just in love with it i'm not trying to sit on bitcoin at all but i can't help but think what's gonna happen when the price can't perform and i'll tell you what's gonna happen
people are gonna turn it off and so something like chia is actually really important we need
you need energy it's i'm sorry my kids in the back screaming but we need energy. I'm sorry, my kid's in the back screaming,
but we need energy obviously, but we don't, there's no reason to waste it. And
cause it is a valuable resource and yeah, it's, Chia's main goal was to be a low energy
sort of Bitcoin that has Nakamoto consensus. They just happened to add smart contracts in
a really novel way that other, they added a whole bunch of stuff
but the main thing in my opinion is lower energy decentralized coin that's truly decentralized and
everything else on top of that is you know the extra toppings it's it's good it's good stuff
but um yeah it's a little green boxes.
Yeah, I know what it is.
Yeah, I've seen that coin.
Yeah.
I've seen it.
It's like a hard drive miner, right?
Where it's like a hard drive base.
Do you need the little green?
Do you need a little green box to mine the thing?
Because I have like freaking like 50 hard drives sitting around right now that are doing nothing.
And I'll plug them in.
You can do many hard drives.
Okay.
I might plug them into Chia.
Yeah, it's a good idea.
Is it easy? Okay. So for instance, I have not selected a, what do you call it? Decentralized
Is it easy?
Okay.
file coin service. Like, well, I'm not file coin service, but like file storage service
for like the eBay thing that I'm doing, because essentially, you know, I don't know what the
whole mode of operation there is on chia but i don't want
any data on chain except for like just basically like ipfs photos and stuff i don't want that on
chain i just want that stored on like the dns of the uh web 3 like hns basically so i would use that like service potentially to host the images um but then i would
just send the tx over the over the chain for the purchase basically and then put it into like a
smart contract escrow for a time locked period, depending on how long the shipping and whatnot takes.
And then I could even go a step further and link the API of the shipping data back into
the smart contract and then essentially make a completely blockchain-automated RWA delivery
system where then it's completely processed through.
And that would be really like the first time that's ever been done, at least to my knowledge.
But I don't know what would be the best file storage system for that kind of system yet.
I've been looking around to like Filecoin, looking the prices looking at like arv weave chia actually i just don't know exactly what what would be the best i would recommend
looking into data layer i i don't know much about data layer i'll admit but when we talk about hard
drives for chia we're actually talking about um like kind of setting up like decentralized nodes and you prove your
your your hard drive is like uh it's it's basically a minor it's just it helps you
have a node that's real based in the real physical world not just but they have a service called
data layer and they're still working on that and i'm still learning about it but they might that
might be able to help you it's on top of chia but if you were to just take your
hard drives and you would wanted to use it for chia and not for you know storing information or
whatever the the hard drives just does one thing you basically you download a plot this plot is
like a ticket that says you're real you spent spent time making, you spent, you spent energy, you have physical hard drives, you, you're real and
you're a real decentralized person. And so it's not really about like a file coin or anything.
And that's just, I'm not really the best at explaining it, but you could do both.
And I think there is a way to take your hard drives. Okay.
Use it for Baylare.
So if I want, well, see, I would preferably,
sorry to interrupt you,
but I would preferably run the network
so I can get the rewards over the thing.
And then just like,
if my hard drives happen to be hosting my own data,
then they so happen to be that,
but I don't specifically have a need unless like,
you know, that's the one
thing that like colin was mentioning that i was also thinking about too like a local host mechanism
where that's also a possibility so that way there's no potential way for this decentralized
service to be shut down because you could just local host as well as have the server so then you could have like like he was saying
literally just basically plug in a hard jar to your system and then it just wipes obviously
we're not going to be trying to like be human trafficking selling guns or drugs or anything
crazy like that or promoting that kind of stuff that's why we're looking to counteract those kinds
of scams and such. But, you know, like if Chia can get an idea like that, where they're able to
pursue entrepreneurship to bring money on chain, then I think that that's a way forward for most
of the smaller blockchains considering that you know really
almost everything has been labeled as a scam most people don't even want to buy crypto now because
everything is just completely in the shitter and like everybody here saying you know like the
sentiment is kind of shit like who the fuck even knows chia or like oh i was worried like erg didn't
know about chia because of like this or that
and that's kind of what i mean in the whole sense of crypto you know like you got to branch out into
the into the uh real world with usable functional things that like act as commodities through the
blockchain basically like the whole data storage system but then you got to find a way
to expand on it but go ahead drake yeah i just where you said commodity there i just wanted to
jump in and let you know that she is actually classified as a commodity
yeah that's why that's really a good thing, because that's what I was trying to say to, you know, with the data storage and the malleability of it.
It seems definitely like it translates over, but it's just like the whole functionality.
If the asset that underpins all of the functionality is itself a commodity, right?
is itself a commodity right and if the coins that drive all the functionality and all of
the contracts and everything are a commodity then then you you exist in this regulatory world
unlike any other crypto that exists everything else um other than say bitcoin which is arguable as well is the security and so she sits as close to
digital cash as you're going to get in in in that industry it's really quite
amazing yeah I think too they they have like sorry to interrupt again but I
think they have more like what what do you call it?
Classes of the certain types of commodities.
Like, for example, XMR is kind of its own commodity, but it's only money in the sense where it has really no DeFi.
Chia offers decentralized storage, which bridges it into the real world.
which bridges it into the real world.
You know, there's like a lot of these different types of things.
It's like, I like to think of it in the way of a lot of people
aren't going to be able to get interested in it until there's wide adoption,
but then people need to understand like the usefulness in order to adopt it.
order to adopt it so it's like this weird conundrum paradox there's also the added complexity of that
So it's like this weird conundrum paradox.
when uh wide-scale adoption happens it'll likely be in a way that the end user doesn't even know
they're using blockchain so then that adds that extra layer of like you know what i mean the
complexity behind who even yeah that's what i was gonna say too it's like if if you have a
nuclear reactor and a ton of uranium say chia is a uranium running the reactor and you have a ton
of people that know how to run this reactor but then there's like a whole other group of people
that have no idea what this thing is but they know this uranium is glowing and it looks kind
of like interesting.
They're obviously probably going to be drawn to it and know there's like some
technological wizardry going on here,
but they're not the people that know how to run the reactor.
So they have really no idea until like you just said,
they're able to interact with the chain in a really easy,
like plug and go manner where it's like, they don't even realize they're able to interact with the chain in a really easy, like plug and go manner where it's like,
they don't even realize they're using it.
Welcome director of the stage. Good to see you there.
Hey, Edward, buddy. Merry Christmas, brother.
Yeah. Merry Christmas.
Drac, I'd love to introduce you to
fellow canadian steven and everyone on stage if you've not met them but uh steven black
steven black yeah oh steven uh good good to meet you fellow canadian hey good to meet you as well
i'm currently in a car driving but i can chit chat a little bit here no worries uh you don't
have to dox yourself i I'm over on the East Coast
I don't know if you're like what side you're on or where you are, but
Southwestern Ontario
Oh, okay
As long as you say shit with like it or
People always think you're from Canada. I always have people like when they're like, Oh,
are you from Canada?
I'm like,
yeah,
I'm from Manitoba.
And then they automatically think I'm from fucking Canada.
That is very true.
Yeah.
I'm from the East coast from Newfoundland.
I don't have much of an accent until I have a beer with my cousins.
And then,
then the buys and the yes sirs and all the.
That's a cool area over there.
Newfoundland, Nova Scotia area.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
I grew up in St. Markets Bay there.
Peggy's Cove area.
After I moved from Newfoundland when I was younger.
So I'm kind of a.
I live in New Brunswick now.
Grew up in Halifax.
Born in Newfoundland.
So kind of been all over the Maritimes. I love the East Coast, but you know, it's a little too slow sometimes. I'd like it to pick up its pace sometimes, but it rural region of canada so you got like just enough
stuff there to not be living in like bumfuck county yeah but there's just enough stuff to
also be able to uh be in like a nice open country area yeah it's not too overcrowded for sure yeah
i was gonna ask you uh edward this is kind of changing the topic here
and might sound slightly conspiratorial.
I just want to go back to Stephen.
I just see he's unmuted, so I know his time is short.
We go to that next, Steve, are you there?
Oh, yeah, go ahead, Stephen.
Oh, yeah, I am here.
What's the question?
Can I just say, Stephen, you're a hero.
You're a Canadian hero.
For the people who don't know, this is one of my friends I'm most proud to look up to.
I respect the hell out of this.
He saved the world in 2021.
A Canadian trucker back then stood up like a few others.
Oh, man, my hat is off to you, sir.
Thank you very much I can't thank you enough
I honestly
Edward, I'm so glad you said that
Yes, from the bottom of my heart, thank you
I'm ashamed of my country right now
He stopped the Canadian MK mk ultra cult scams
i'm scared for my kids man i wish i wish i wish it had gone better for for that yeah now that about
10 of your country is killing itself from those suicide things that's ridiculous dude i saw okay
this is a real thing in manitoba they're distributing printed um pamphlets where it is talking about
children getting access to made and in the pamphlet even describes not having to notify the parents
and then there's this other page when you fold it open that talks about those with mental illness
Those with mental illness can have MAID as an option.
And then subtext under it to reinforce it, it describes that it can take up to four months or more to see a doctor and get help.
But MAID services can be obtained in three months or less.
This is in the fucking print, dude.
Satanic cult ritual scams right there, dude.
Come loose your soul to Satan.
It's like, you know that
since the 1980s and the last
50 years, women have killed
2.5 billion defenseless
children inside of their wombs
from abortion, but men
throughout all of our glorious
wars to protect these same psychopathic
broads have only killed one billion.
Yep.
Throughout all of human time, we've only killed one billion of each other to protect the same idiots that have killed 2.5 billion defenseless young children.
Yep.
Oh, dude, I can't even go down.
Is anyone really surprised?
I'm so on.
I feel for you there, dude.
I have very strong opinions. I can't, I gotta be careful.
I got an ex-wife. I got a crazy one. I gotta be careful. But dude, my heart is with you on that.
Yeah. I mean, it's the thing is, you know, they just consistently have to up the ante on you.
They're never happy no matter what you do for them. Even if you do nothing and provide entirely,
they will still find something to complain about because they've eaten from the tree of evil.
I heard this one saying once, and it described it so well for me.
Men will sacrifice themselves for their family,
and women will sacrifice their family for their happiness.
And it was just like, fuck yeah.
And it was just like, fuck yeah.
Like, that is in a nutshell.
Like, that is in a nutshell.
Yeah, men love deeply and truly, but women love circumstantially.
I heard that as, when I heard it, it was men love idealistically and women love opportunistically.
Women love unconditionally for their children but for for their husband no
only women children and dogs are loved unconditionally that's the same thing
yeah exactly that's what i mean it's just the same psychology here that's why i was gonna ask edward
you know with your uh mk ultra giga scammer, whatever the fuck that guy is, it's been a stealant that basically stole a year and a half of your time and anally sodomized you.
Did that did that fellow there?
Why do you think he's like part of the CIA MKUltra scams. Cause I've been dealing with something similar on my chain where these guys
have been spreading, uh, MK ultra porn in NFTs and such over the chain. And I, you know, it's like
this weird little group of dudes that are like kind of hidden, kind of like your dude. That's
been, uh, that ripped you off and has been scamming you. And these guys also, I track back the TX is on the chain and they were running an entire scam with
a fucking wallet drainer.
And it looked exactly like the official pages site and everything.
And these assholes even have a decks on the chain that they were trying to
like run this fucking scam through laundering this shit.
And I got them all on paper and fucking exposed them and it's like this little secta dudes so i'm i'm gonna
probably write up a report considering i was i was thinking it was very odd considering that they
have all this weird porn and shit that they're distributing on chain through nfts which is really disgusting
because nobody frankly wants to see that type of crap on chain
yeah absolutely you're talking about wes kuzma shout out yeah wes lucky lucky lucky i love you
lucky wes kuzma operation paperclip mk ultra question mark i'm not making an accusation i'm
asking a question yeah that's that seems to be what's happened to me is he basically i'm still
putting the pieces together so i'm not quite sure it might be a combination of things i'm not ruling
out its incompetence but it looks like he's working for someone running an intelligence
agency that's posing as an investment company. So yeah, he basically tricked me to work for
nothing for a year and a half. I didn't get any pay.
And he has multiple alt accounts, correct, that he uses to FUD himself, right?
No, I don't think so. Unless he does. I don't know.
Well, have you noticed anything sketchy with
potential bot accounts? Because I've
noticed these guys will run two to three
alts that'll back them up.
If they're smart, they're well put together
bots. But some of these guys are
fucking morons and run idiot-ass
bots, and you can easily tell they're an alt.
I'm not aware that he's running Twitter bots.
He's been strangely quiet,
or not strangely quiet on Twitter.
He's not responded to any of my
requests for a live debate
yet. And he's
ignored my settlement letter. He said
he didn't read it. He ignored my email,
said he didn't read it. And
he sold the internet one to Rupert
Murdoch in the early 90s so all of
a sudden you've got the person who sold internet one to Rupert Murdoch trying to screw over the guy
who invented microblogging who's also saying let's launch Bitcoin 2 so that teams like Drak and
Cobra 42 can have the brand name Bitcoin to use rather than Chia.
But it seems to have been a psyop to stop me from thinking about one thing in particular.
And that thing appears to be decentralized governance.
Because when he invited me in, he kept making it clear that Lawrence Lundy Bryan said that there's no way decentralized governance can happen.
And he kept showing this video.
He kept saying this thing again and again and again. It's on his front of his website, Wes, because when he kept drilling into me in the daily meetings, which I attended every day, two meetings a day unpaid.
Although I'm going to back claim because I'm claiming it's a human experimentation project.
So I'm going to sue him for experimenting on me.
But he basically was saying that decentralized governance cannot happen.
And then when I investigated it, Lawrence Lundy Bryan was actually saying there's 10 or 11 different forms of decentralized governance that all work.
So as soon as I kept saying decentralized governance can happen, decentralized governance that all work. So as soon as I kept saying,
decentralized governance can happen,
decentralized governance can happen,
and that's when he started trying to change the rules on the funding.
So it felt like he was trying to fund me to stop talking about decentralization.
And because I wouldn't, I kept hosting the chia spaces.
He tried to wiggle his way out.
So this fucking asshole basically wanted you in his pocket
and then was trying to shill
you some Israeli money through his wife, from what it seems, in order to keep you quiet.
Exactly.
Exactly that.
Yeah, that seems like a very complex CIA or Mossad operated scam right there.
And it seems to be that they have small clicks of these individuals that are
running around on the small cap chains that have been systematically attempting to destroy them
and insert themselves in and destroy the communities and then start taking out members
like yourself by wasting their time on bullshit and not allowing them to develop certain things
using like a literal mk ultra cult-like method of trying to manipulate and engineer your mind
to think a certain way like you were saying instilling into you just this retarded mantra
of fud essentially of oh government, God, no decentralized governance.
And then as soon as you started not going for that, he immediately turncoded like a Benedict
Arnold and then like just shut you down essentially from what it seems and was non-cooperative after that point and then
ever since now it seems since you've called him out online he's uh not interested in talking anymore
yeah he's not in the favor of like doing a live chat he won't reply to the emails either
but you summarized it really well yeah it's like trying to get me to follow a cult like mantra
But you summarized it really well.
Yeah, it's like trying to get me to follow a cult-like mantra.
And yeah, they used hypnosis techniques.
Like he did a Friday social, which he tried to get me to read a joke.
Like bring a joke to the Friday social.
Like everyone read a joke.
And I didn't actually read it, but I did have one prepared.
Which I won't try and say it now,
but it would have caught a laugh.
But I managed to get out of it.
But I did attend the meeting.
And now I look back, it's like he was trying to put me in a –
like he was being a grandfather to me, if you know what I mean,
sort of trying to get me part of a social group.
But I was like, well, where's the money?
I want to do know like do decentralized
governance in an audio campfire and he was like he tried to steal the idea as well that's what
really is surprising because yeah i've got the evidence of him trying to steal it and that's just
i think i would win in a legal case so i'm just going to extract as much free media attention from it as I can.
And if it goes to court, even better. I'll be outside the place with a Twitter space live.
Like, you know, there's always a way forward. So but yeah, you summarized it really well.
I think it's a psyop and it does make you wonder what other psyops are out there.
Well, that's what I mean it seems like uh on the chains that
are not clear vc scams rug pulls and dow forks and then a rug pull immediately after the dow fork
it seems that uh these guys have coordinated fud operations from the Mossad and like CIA guys like this that are running around
using Israeli money and also a ton of weird suspicious individuals like Wes. You know,
we have our, we have our own group of these kinds of guys on Ergo. We recently just kicked them out they're uh now actually currently they forked one of the
chats over from uh the discord and the telegram now so they're blocking one of them has control
over the discord so they're blocking that same chat's telegram feed from coming into the discord through the bridge because uh they removed
the discord bridge from telegram because they were shutting down people's speech
on the telegram chat through the discord bridge so it's essentially like this weird operation
that now that they're caught they're trying to shut down speech they've hidden their chats
on the chain they were talking about death threats and weird things like that to people after we
caught them for their porn mfts and the scams that they were doing and then hit all their chats
especially too they had like weird pedophilia shit in there.
You know.
One thing I've also been having.
Seen recently is.
Weird people on chain.
Sending child.
Child stuff.
Like to people through DMs.
And then reporting them.
After they send them that kind of stuff in order to try to like get
their account banned and things like that. Just some real shiesty, disgusting type of behavior
these people have been doing recently. I don't know if anybody else like Drake or drake or who is could speak on anything similar happening for them yeah um when i built tang talk
that was something that came up we had to stop ourselves from um implementing certain levels
of encryption because it became too powerful as far as nefarious people like that being able to propagate, you know, illicit material.
And we had to make a conscious choice to leave certain, even though the community desired a level of privacy in their communications, we couldn't allow it.
But we couldn't allow it. We still haven't. Because I have to think ethically about those sort of things, as or just monetary motives around, well, we'll just
do this and then we'll sue them for this and the lawyers will make money and you get all this
backhanded, you know, nefarious stuff. And it's a genuine concern. If you're not, if you're building
things in technology that connect to the internet, you have to be thinking, especially if it has anything to do with sharing content, even by way of allowing a user to set a profile picture.
That alone in itself is a vehicle for people to target you through this sort of content.
So, yeah, it's a big problem
um and it's at a crossroad where we all desire sovereignty over our data we all desire
true peer-to-peer um unrestricted communication with our you you know, our brethren. And, um,
that's one thing I was going to say, you know,
on the whole topic of like free speech like that,
I have a free speech chat for ergo and whatnot,
but we just don't allow porn gore or violence there. However, you know,
violence, violence in a public consensus is understandable, from my opinion, as long as it's a majority consensus.
Where the person, where, you know, like maybe 80% of society, like on some French Revolution type deal, just decides, you know, this person's a tyrant. They must be
guillotined. I'm not calling for violence against anybody. I'm just saying when it gets to that
point, there's a reason for it clearly. And you can't even manipulate somebody to get to that
point on a huge societal level because there's just too many people, no matter the amount of
tricks and scams that you
try to pull on people they'll eventually just turn on the scammers and the tyrants it's happened
in every single regime like this so it's just you know you got people got to understand too
with the whole deal of the privacy things there's got to be some level of not censorship
but some level of a trust mechanism also also combined with a um what is it a uh admin overview
system where you know there's like actual people monitoring the things and then stuff that's actually being watched if you get into looking at things like homomorphic cryptography then you get it you get
into the realms of being able to allow people to remain private um be able to monitor for such
content just like not safe for work type stuff without actually revealing the data or the
communications um have a look at homomorphic cryptography it's it's kind of new and it's
really interesting because it directly stops a lot of this sort of ship without having to
interfere with the end users communications or data or whatever
the end users communications or data or whatever.
Who is Mr. Steve?
I want to say also, I enjoyed listening to you
explain data layer and stuff earlier.
That's a tricky one to explain.
Yeah, Drac, I was in the first part of the the space i'm hoping it will show up on lurky
sorry if you hear the kettle in the background uh i was saying that we need to release a bitcoin
too and i've got the two bitcoin.org website but i think that all the people in the trio community
might like it and they might hate it at the same time but i think that's how you
oh who is steven is back up on the stage.
But I think there's a lot of brand value in the Bitcoin name.
So I'm going to increasingly promote that as well. And hopefully Rush Browser or something similar could power it.
But welcome back up to the stage.
Who is Mr. Steven?
Edward, you're such a fucking good announcer, dude.
With your little like... that's not Australian.
That's an English accent, I'm pretty sure, right?
Such a good tone in your voice and everything, dude.
He's like, oh, he's back up on the stage.
Yeah, I know.
I love Edward's voice.
I'm with you, dude.
I love his voice.
Should read, like read children's books.
Your voice would sound really good in audiobooks.
And then Stadrack did enter the stage
and basheth the women.
He literally sounds like he'd be
narrating horse races,
like English horse races old time yeah over the
radio yeah you should try that sometime edward like and uh come up with some funny horse names
and just call it out i'm not even kidding dude if you actually applied to be like a voice actor at
a radio joint or something like that they would probably actually immediately hire you
or you should train your voice as a model an ai model and then and then retail that out to
all the ai businesses just go on 11 laps and record your voice get an agent and then farm
out the agent for people that are making audiobooks or newscasts or podcasts or
doing anything or dude try to work with wes patent your voice and then say that you're doing that to
him and then when he tries to steal it then sue his ass then you could basically just walk him
straight into it yeah it's a voice trap voice trap i love it you like spoken word right into my voice trap
suck it bitch
i do want to know though how did he get you for two whole years without getting paid i will say
man after about six months and i I'm appreciative of you and everything,
love you to death,
but how the fuck do you go more than six months
and not realize if this guy hasn't paid you
that he's got to be up to something?
Well, I was so desperate to come up with some rival to Twitter
because I figure that Twitter spaces are the key.
Like you said, a voice trap,
the key to the revolution, it's on live stages because you can't get live of them live so this trumps BBC and
everything eventually but they could turn Twitter off so there needs to be a rival and that was is
meant to be that so I'm in a desperate rush to get it out for when they do turn Twitter off there's
a rival running so that's I was willing to do anything for that but
he kept putting the dates back so he promised funding on day one and day two and then I think
it was August came that was like five months in I'd done I come up with a business plan as well
then he said it'll be in February next year so I dragged on for like five months
because he promised the date.
And then the week of the date in February, he said, no, we're not going for funding now.
And then when I was like, well, can you send me some money?
He said, yeah, just let us know your cost for the startup and I'll send it.
And then he didn't.
And so it just kept dragging on.
And then finally, I was like, hold on a sec.
Is this a CIA PSYOP?
And I was like, I think I've been trapped.
I may as well hang around to get as much evidence as I can now.
And then finally he did pay me one month's salary right at the end.
Like, say, 15th month I got paid.
And then on the 16th month he wouldn't pay me again.
So, yeah, that's how it worked. But, uh yeah changing goalposts was how he did it
well i hope you i hope you did learn that if somebody doesn't pay you after like the first
month they're probably never gonna pay you into the future like when you're dealing with somebody
like this because that's normally how i do business like I'll give people like
heater it's good loans like the Jews do like zero interest and shit not expect to be paid back off
of that but I'm not expecting to be paid back so it's like you gotta know when you're doing stuff
like that like what's going on and not just be immensely like bullheaded about going into something. Cause I
do that all the time myself too, where I'll just like headlong rush into something and then just
too quickly and then get caught up and just have invested so much time and energy into something
that you got to like keep on trekking with whatever but i've learned just you know it's better to
just cut your losses quick now especially through all my years investing and stuff
yes one of the things you did that was critically cruel i guess was used the number two is at
christmas so that was about six months in last year.
He invited me to be the CEO of a second company, World Park.
So I actually was doing two jobs for him.
And he, on the second one, he was like, this is the big one.
We're really going to push this.
So that was when he tried to steal the idea.
So it was like, he wasn't just stringing me along.
He was like increasing the level of perceived rewards in a sense.
You can have two salaries, right?
And who wouldn't want two social media platforms just from an ego point of view?
So he sort of, I was like a donkey and he was a carrot dangling the carrot in front of me.
But I guess they know that, don't they?
They know what sort of things people will be like, okay, yeah, fair enough.
Another few months then.
Every man has his price, I guess.
Yeah, I'm back.
I just wanted to say something.
I feel like if you're a good person and you're trying and you got, like you said, it was
a noble cause, an honorable cause, you're really fighting for something.
And something when I was younger, at least, is I thought everyone else was like me, like a good person, too.
And then I felt like maybe I'm not saying that you were naive, but with my situation, I was very naive, thinking the whole world is just like me and everyone's a good person.
And then, no, actually, there's a lot of people who are actively against you.
I grew up the same way.
I feel the same way who is.
I 1,000% feel free there.
I grew up totally naive that way, man.
Yeah, you got to get burned a few times.
It took hitting the internet.
It sucks.
It took hitting the internet and, like, getting into social media to realize,
oh, fuck, man, there's a lot of nefarious people out there.
Especially when we come to talking about Chia and all these platforms, they have an incentive.
The banking system, the financial system, they have all the power.
They don't have any plans of just giving this away.
And they'll start wars, physical wars.
They'll destroy buildings.
They will do everything they can.
So to them, it's paying a couple of crews, a couple of knuckleheads to waste your time.
It's nothing because they have all the money.
They literally have all the money.
And I think people, when you bring up MKUltra and all these things, people kind of just,
the average person kind of just waves it off like it's not there.
But to me, it makes total sense.
Why wouldn't they do that?
If I was running the banking system and I had all the money, who are these people going to come and let them up and me?
And they have to do it now.
They have to do it.
That's what I'm saying, dude.
Just send in a whole ton of sects of little operatives that are all interlinked with these intelligence agencies.
For Edward's case, this dude's wife is linked back essentially to israeli intelligence so he's obviously getting
funded from there to just fuck over edward and then you know if they just have little groups
of dudes doing this on every chain they just basically have full control. They have like little like a spy cells,
like little sleeper cells of spy agents all over the blockchain space.
And they can do it.
Cause there's not a lot of people fighting for this,
the good things that we're fighting for.
So yeah,
exactly.
And a lot of the stuff,
there's only a few of them getting.
Yup.
Yeah. Like the real people, like you're saying, there's only a few of them. Yep. Yeah, like the real people, like you're saying, there's only so many of them.
And they know that because they're the fucking people using the bots.
So they just are like, oh, well, we have like 80% bots on this network.
So let's send in some people to start like dismantling this group of this community here.
And slowly but surely start like hitting them with
fud calculated shit and then like tell and that's a whole thing too like you can manipulate a whole
chain's narrative if you have enough people pushing a certain idea and you can basically
just create the entire news for that blockchain like if one fucking person, if you have like 10 or 15 alt accounts that are all bopping
off on one of each other really, really good, you can create the entire narrative for the
chain, just one freaking person.
Or at least make it seem like there's a whole group of people feeling a certain type of
way on the chain, so that way a certain agenda will get pushed.
It's extremely easy actually if you really think
about it dude like this mk ultra stuff is extremely relevant here and how these guys control all of
these narratives and everything and it's very they've been doing it for a long time a very very
long time nothing is new under the sun they the same procedures they go when you're, you know, like we were saying earlier,
if I'm a good person, I never think about this,
but these people have been studying this and I don't know how they,
I don't know how they can get themselves to do stuff like that,
but also I don't have all the money. So, and people sell their soul for a lot less.
And I honestly think that the Chia movement, these, these chains,
it doesn't even have to just be Chia,
but it offers liberty and it offers a way out.
And ultimately, the closer we get to it,
the more they're going to hit the pedal to the metal
and go after us
because they're going to want to use tools
like debanking people.
They're going to want to...
And the problem with that
is it's going to push more people
who don't want to be debanked onto blockchains.
Well, that's also why I highly recommend that you start like learning how you said like, oh
man, I don't want to learn why somebody would do that.
I highly recommend you start learning how to do what they're doing.
So then that way you can counter their FUD because they'll come into the chain and start
BSing and FUDing the chain and saying like all this crap but then
you need to have like a system to be able to counteract that like that's literally what we're
doing on ergo currently right now with these same scammers they like i said they had all these public
chats we're pushing all this crap around doing all these things and then now they're hiding in
private chats and got
all their privileges removed from all the other chats and are basically like
trying to divide the chain in half out of spite right now because they're all pissed off like
little crybabies it's literally it's just completely malicious psychotic bully behavior
that people should not stand for this kind of shit and you got to learn
how to cut it out and look for these kinds of people before they get in and start getting a
whole ton of power and then especially god forbid if they get into like the foundation i don't know
if chia has a foundation or anything like that but they tend to get these guys into the chain
foundations and the LLCs on the
chain and then liquidate the fucking treasuries.
They have operatives in there that they use to liquidate these treasuries.
Yeah.
It's not the same way on TIF.
Okay.
Well,
that's good.
Yeah.
It's the most decentralized blockchain.
It's got the most nodes as well.
It's,
it would take a very
it would take an insurmountable amount of like uh to eclipse applied pressure to yeah to to break
chia you it's it's beyond well i'm saying like okay for example what's the uh initial like
pre-mine the ico looking like on Chia cuz so they have
what's called a pre firm and I mean that's a whole nother token omic thing
but they didn't do the classic like how did it go Edward they didn't do the big
cell like the the ICO deal they did a pre-farm of which they have it all.
And then it goes out through market makers and things like that right now.
They're actually the biggest seller right now because they didn't do what everybody else does.
They're waiting on the SEC stuff to close.
And then you will see a massive flow, outflow from the pre-farm into the wild um but currently it's
yeah it's kind of it's kind of opposite of what if you look at the early day price i don't know
whatever went to like 1500 or something but that's that's because basically the only way to get it
was by being a farmer like there was no cell ico you either farmed it and earned it or you didn't get
it um well that okay for example i'll give you some like on-chain ergo secrets here all right
on our chain ergo we're 95 fairly distributed or so they say technically we, but it was a pre-mine similar to the same thing that you're saying for Chia.
However, on Ergo, there's a 30% whale that holds 30% of all Ergo, had about 10 or 20,000 1080 TIs back in like 2018 mining Ergo.
Got 30% of all Ergo in existence split it through the wallets. So unless you have extreme awareness of the transactions that have happened on chain,
you cannot surely say that the system is entirely fair. And frankly, that sounds like that is highly exploitable from a
potential treasury liquidation. If I wanted to pay myself out huge portions of money,
that's exactly how I would do it through the treasury, get myself in a decent position where
I could get that allocated to me and then own or be working with somebody that has a huge farm that's getting
like the pre-farm tokens because you can construct the pattern of the graph that you want to see
essentially so if you own enough of the supply you can know where you're going to be able to
safely get in at on that pre-farm.
If you see what I'm saying, I'm not trying to fud Chia in any way.
I'm just saying this is like a highly advanced market view of the entire kind of situation that goes on with these chains. That's why I say nearly 95% of every blockchain right now has a potential to be a scam.
Even something like EOS that is like a really old system that was like apparently 100% fairly distributed.
That same system is now used for the social credit score in China, which is really freaking weird.
score in china which is really freaking weird i don't know why but it just goes to show you that
a lot of the things aren't what they seem to be at like a surfaces glance yeah i think that's why
devs like myself we we work in chia because there's a whole bunch of reasons why we don't have that worry.
It's quite nice.
It's comfortable on Chia.
I always compare it to Windows and Mac.
It's like going from a Windows to a Mac.
Both work great, but one has an experience where you don't have to worry as much about
certain things just because inherently by the architecture of the system, they're either non-existent or not an issue or easily rectified, things like that.
And that's how Chia always feels to me as a dev.
So I like playing over there because I find, you know, like, for example, they have their pre-farm, but then the only way to get the Chia was through the farming.
farm but then the the only way to get the chia was through the through the farming there really is no
there's no distribution to for it to be unfair and so i don't know i just have i just have a
lot of conviction in here because of the way it is almost the opposite of the usual evm stuff and it's just quietly building i feel like it's gonna
yeah 2026 is gonna be its year anyway um i hear what you're saying though there's a lot of
this is where as a dev i i hate when i have to start thinking about the things that you're
talking about because i don't want to worry about that right like it's it's counter
it's counterproductive to for me to have to wear i mean i have to worry about it because it exists but
it is it is immediate turn off if i if i get the sense of this so if i go over to evm and i'm
dealing with smart contracts there's enough security flaws there i'm just gonna be like no
i just i just don't want to right right? Like, there's no desire to.
And I don't know.
I just find Chia technically gives me all that fresh air,
that room to build.
If I can say something.
Oh, sorry, man.
Jump in one sec.
I was just going to close with, I was actually on my daily space the other day saying how i don't really
consider chi a part of regular crypto you know it's a commodity and all these other great reasons
and i and i'm i'm sick i'm tired of crypto and in all honesty all of the other stuff the casino
like i don't mind going once in a while but i don't really consider chi a part of the rest of
that that ecosystem sorry who is yeah I was just uh I agree
with you and something that kind of sets you apart which a lot of people don't like is how they are
um trying to do it a different route legally trying to go IPO try to have fit into the formal
structure of how these things usually work which puts skin in the game. And so something like Gene, or I'm just saying anybody,
was like funneling money through a farmer or whatever.
The way you were telling me, there's a lot of ways to do it.
At least there's some sort of legal recourse.
He's putting himself in the line of fire.
He's making it all, they are, the company, I guess,
is trying, from what I'm perceived,
I could totally be wrong,
but are trying to do it in a way that's more traditional.
And when it's more traditional,
there's also ways to look into things.
And, you know, if they did, maybe,
if they did get caught doing something like that,
they can go to jail,
as opposed to some of these other projects
where you don't know anyone,
and you have no idea who they are.
So, a lot of people don't like the way they're doing
it but at least there's someone we can hold accountable so that's just my
point of view I don't know if that sits right but yeah I'm with you on that too
dude because everybody ran around in crypto space and was like oh it's
trustless it's trustless and it's like what are you talking about you gotta
have some trust here like We're doing business.
When people put themselves in the line of fire or put the skin in the game,
which in crypto we often hear the opposite.
It's how much equity can I get for this pseudo skin in the game,
yada, yada, yada. I'm with you.
Gene and them doing it the right way,
putting themselves out there takes a lot
let's face it you're around with some smart cats there too like and they come out and hang out in
spaces and will confront any question you can throw their way with absolute grace and poise and explain it in a way that we all can relate to and enjoy.
It might be over your head, but they're just so accessible and you don't see that in a lot of blockchains either.
There's, again, a lot to be said for that that's huge i
actually think we live in a special time right now where i can just make a twitter account and i can
go and the ceo or the coo whatever will message me back will actually respond and i think when
money does pour into you if it ever does and becomes a big VCs and all these people coming into it that might go
away that might actually be a lot rarer so it's just we are living in some cool time right now
and um it's special so even though it hurts it's still special price it is absolutely special I
I'm always kind of pinching myself like is this real i can send a dm to gene hoffman to
bram cohen and what kind what kind of world is this where where did this come from how did i
just trip over the lucky stick it's it's it's it's wild to sit and have a conversation with Bram, of all people.
It's also very intimidating at times, too.
But totally special, man.
And what's cool is we're getting to the end phase.
When I first got into it after Mainnet launch,
there wasn't much you could do with Chia.
It took time, years of work, really hard work.
I'm not a programmer.
I don't understand this stuff. But I can't imagine it's easy.
And we're actually getting to the end where a lot of this stuff is actually being built out.
It's almost done.
And people have been connected to the dots.
What happens after that?
People probably will use it, especially if it has real value.
So most of my time in Chia, there really wasn't much to do. I just held it.
And so I do think we're coming across a turning point. And it was, I just held it. And so I,
I do think we're coming across a turning point and these things are valuable. And I think the more government tyranny happens,
the more debanking happens,
the more people realize that the money in their bank isn't really their money
anymore.
We'll push people into Chia into whether it be Bitcoin,
it'll just get them online. And so even though it might not happen on
my time i want it to happen today i want this stuff to blow up today but there is such a use
case here that is valuable if you know anyone who has been debanked and i do know people they have
to go 100 on crypto and that will only get worse government is only getting you know it's only
getting worse so it's just a matter of time before. Realistically, realistically, with that whole like mind frame there, like, if you really deep down think about it, this is the ugly truth about it.
Retail is not institutional trillion quadrillion dollar scam liquidity.
trillion quadrillion dollar scam liquidity so the shit's never going to be like
pumping like a bitcoin because if you look at bitcoin when it was being used by thieves
human traffickers drug dealers weapon dealers it was pumping in its early stages
after it got adopted by the institutions, it really started taking off.
But things like XMR that are still in the early stage of like the illicit market, dark web,
scams, you know, like trafficking, all that filth, basically, it's only like $400 and XMR really has no DeFi, just kind of like Bitcoin.
So like same thing, like with the radio and the telephones, the first people using those were the mob in order to coordinate crime back in like the 1900s.
and same kind of thing with cryptocurrency if you look at the movie tron for example with the red
And same kind of thing with cryptocurrency.
and the blue characters and tron you know the blue people they are extremely outnumbered most
of the time have not as good of weaponry they're like renegades milit fighters, guerrilla fighters, essentially. And then the red group is like some huge corporate monopolized entity.
And if you really look at like what she is and a lot of the other kind of chains, they're going to develop and work for the people that are debanked.
But realistically, the people that are going to be debanked are only going to be the parts of the population that stand up and really build things on their own.
So they're going to be like their own kind of isolated portion of society, I feel like, in the long term.
And it's going to take a lot longer than most people think.
Yeah, I agree. It's a parallel financial system.
And people are going to get stuck on the mainstream financial system until they can't
anymore. And it's hard to compete with that because they have all the money. It's a little
suspicious how well Bitcoin is done. And when you look in the way it follows Wyckoff accumulation,
and it's just so clean and everything just works out so well, it's like, that's not possible
because we don't have the banker's money, the people, I don't know who's running Bitcoin behind
the scenes,
but it's definitely people with a lot of money
and it's all coordinated.
And we're trying to, it sucks
because we got to compare ourselves to that.
And it's like, we're not them.
We have to build it from the ground up and it takes time
and it's tough for people.
But hey, if the price is down,
I never thought I'd have as much G as I do.
And as sad as I am, I really am blessed.
It's like these cheap prices have actually ended up being really good.
So if we stick it out, and 99% of people can't stick it out.
People need to buy something, and they need to watch it go up tomorrow.
And the people running the show, they know that.
But yeah, we'll get there.
I agree with you.
The parallel financial system is coming,
and it's because people will need to.
But yeah, that's just my thoughts.
Yeah, so I'll give a shout- to the rushbrowser.com, rushbrowser.com forward slash donate.
I think there's $1,300 to go.
And the idea is to get this browser open source so that at least there's some sort of browser that could use HNS names, link it to Chia.
That's the goal.
And I'm not sure if now is the time to reveal it i
guess maybe it is i suppose we have acquired the names down name on hns this is a this is a violent
attack on the names down ecosystem this is a we've got the names down hns and we're we're going to
try and do permanent names on tree it's not actually permanent names
to be fair to be completely clear i think handshaker is a rented name system but it's
it's like a rented name system with benefits put it like that but some people think it's permanent
because you only need a heartbeat transaction to like renew it so you don't have to buy it every
year you just have to use it slightly and i think anyone with the system using it slightly will renew it automatically as
i understand it but uh yeah the names dow name the goal is to link it to the names dow tokens
that are released as nfts and maybe fork it as well in the future. So that's a little bit of alpha.
You win the Handshake names in an auction system
on the Handshake protocol.
And I think there's like a five-day auction,
and then if no one bids against it,
you automatically get it.
So lots of the top names have gone,
but Handshake names, you can buy other names.
And the Rush browser is going to power Handshake names and you can buy other names. And the Rush browser is going to power
Handshake names and possibly link to Chia as well. So I'm advocating for it in this space.
And the developer is a bit shy to talk, so I'll talk for him and get the word out there. But
there's also another browser in the running, in a sense, friendly rivalry, the underground browser, which popped up,
I think, two days ago.
And I think I pinned it to the top.
There's actually a vote now.
And 10, was it?
Nine votes have gone to underground browser, one to rush browser.
And I said, which browser do you think should be the default Bitcoin 2 browser?
And currently, rush browser is in second place.
But if we can get $1,600 raised, $1,300, sorry,
then Rush Browser will be open source
and for the public to use
and link to the Handshake naming system.
So rushbrowser.com forward slash donate.
Cheers, Raul.
Thanks to everyone for coming.
And yeah, open topic, open forum.
If anyone wants to chat about anything in particular, or I can ramble as well.
But yeah, everyone, welcome to the stage. I just need to close my door. I'll be back in a minute.
Quick, Edward's gone.
Quick, Edward's gone. Let's have a party.
Let's have a party.
Back.
There we go.
Rush Browser has shared that.
So I guess I'll run through a few ideas for
what I think the Rush Browser could do and how I think it should work. So firstly, it
needs to be open source so that people can use it and copy it and whatever. And then
we can get exposure with influencers. Cassius Morris is ready to go. I spent a Christmas party with him yesterday in Bangkok.
He's one of the top influencers in the world now.
So this is a really interesting story.
In fact, let me just pause for a second.
Should I say this?
Okay, I'll say it like this.
Okay, I'll say it like this.
Basically, the Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate, Candice Owens lot contacted Cassius recently to try and get one of his friends on their show.
So Cassius is really a top influencer now. People in Hollywood follow
him. So he's in Bangkok traveling and he's ready to be the face of the rush browser or
to have his own model. So that's my vision is that when we get the open source browser,
influencers can then make it their browser too. So Cassius can have his own browser.
So as soon as we've got attention from influencers, something that Chia never had, and I would say deliberately didn't court them so that Chia would only go down in price, then what am I but a conspiracy theorist.
But if we can get influencers using the software, then the regular people will follow.
So what would go in the Rush browser once it's open sourced. And I picture windows inside it, not like Microsoft ones,
but like different applications could have a square,
like a fraction of the screen,
so that when they get the browser and they open it,
they can access applications from developers directly.
So if you want to go into the tanked wireless,
let's say obviously direct your own stage,
it could be default, an option to link it from the front screen.
If there was a, let's say, a metaverse browser, that could open on the front of the software when it opens too.
So because it would be open source, it would have different rules, psychologically than a regular browser because
google owns google chrome so they choose everything on the screen but if it was a community browser
it should be shared and so i think that's quite exciting you could have a screen of different d
apps that all link together that are all powered by hns names that are signed by Chia NFTs, for example. But I think the Rush browser or whatever it is,
what the Chia wallet should be, which is a community project,
that's what I hope Rush browser can become.
We actually have a lot of dApps on the HNS browser on Ergo.
Currently, right now.
Yeah, we work with the HNS guys a lot over on ergo actually like
um one of the devs there his name is like akos he's uh linked up like some dexes to the uh hns domains i think he has a blockchain explorer as well on the hns domain there's a ton
of dApps that he's put on hns domains i'm not sure that they're connected though like you're
saying that's actually a pretty wise idea right there to be able to have like the separate window
to like link together the apps and stuff like that would you know like uh i know on cardano
they have the one really nice tool i'd say that the tap tools like the uh deck screener on cardano
is definitely like the best uh way to view the blockchain out of like any of the scanning tools for the blockchains at least in my opinion uh it would be really good to have something like that connected and then you
can use that sorry to interrupt you could i get a name check on that one you just said
that sounded really cool i'll check it out uh tap tools it basically is just like an entire like group of like
screener apps and stuff like that that are all like interlinked and they have that on cardano
but if you use that with the hns thing that you're saying like run this as a plugin
that sounds like a pretty cool, interesting idea there, frankly.
And then you could have like two or three windows open with these running as a
plugin.
And then it'd be like very easy to access and do all this kind of stuff on the
side where you have your main tab open, looking at whatever you want.
Yeah.
I think what this is, it's like two invented things are
going to become one in this era and there's a magic moment going to happen so in the same sense
let's imagine a world with no meeting places and no water fountains to drink water just i know it's
a silly example but just imagine someone was like let's invent a water fountain. Naturally, people will gather to chat there as well.
So the invention of the water fountain
brought people chatting at the water fountain as well.
So two things happened.
People started to fill their water up,
but also talk at the water fountain.
So one location became two things.
Going to the decentralized data layer powered name error,
the browser itself becomes two things.
It becomes the gateway basically between the storage layer, data layer, and then the naming system that links to the blockchain.
And there's no centralized entity in there.
So the browser is equivalent of the meeting place.
Yeah, it's basically like a direct portal into the application you want.
That's a great way to put it.
I'll write that one down.
And there's no way they can stop you, too.
One thing I was thinking about, this is really like a kinky-dink type of idea,
but frankly kind of cool to me,
at least if you have like kind of like what Tesla was doing,
a Laura when mesh net of connected devices running through radio,
you could even read and see the TXs of like whatever anybody's saying,
all the transactions,
everything they still can't touch you.
You could literally just broadcast the radio signal broadly across the entire United States
to whoever you want to send your Bitcoin to, and they'll receive it and then process the transaction
and get it added to their wallet. And you don't even need internet or anything. So you could just
completely bypass all systems like this and have a completely
decentralized money system not even running on the internet just simply through radio waves
and even further to expound upon that you could link it into like a celestial signal like a uh
like for instance the earth frequency like 7.83 Hertz or whatever the heck that is, you know, and then you can run that through the Earth frequency.
So there's no way that they can shut that down and you can cast signals all over the entire like surface area of the Earth through that, basically.
As long as you have little like radio beacon nodes kind of like tesla's warden
cliff tower but you could use that for the blockchain too which is kind of cool
yeah i could see it becoming like a world signal if you could link a spoken voice conversation to a
name that you sign into that because it's cryptographic everyone's like say if we're
chatting now in the rush browser i'm saying sort of like the new water fountain or whatever the
browser is that's chosen if we're having a chat there and we're peer-to-peer our name is the thing
that gets us into it so the conversation that takes place with everyone in that room if that
can be one output in a sense that could be the world's radio right there.
And then it could be beamed to other dimensions if there is such a thing.
I don't know if there is, but this browser name system takes care of so many bottlenecks.
But for whatever reason on Chia, the names are rented, not permanently owned.
whatever reason on chia the names are rented not permanently owned so this idea can't work so this
So this idea can't work.
i really do think names are the thing that's the difference between a blockchain getting mainstream
adoption and not and that's what satoshi thought as well it seems and i pinned that at the top if
people want to go back and check it satoshi talked in 2010 about uh it's called bit dns and
generalizing bitcoin and it yeah it's a conversation satNS and generalizing Bitcoin.
And it, yeah, it's a conversation.
Satoshi posts four or five times about it.
He talks about co-mining,
the idea that Bitcoin mining could power two different things.
So perhaps Chia or Bitcoin 2's mining consensus could power names as well as Chia or Bitcoin 2.
No, see, listen, this is what he means. It can be proof of work as well as Kia. No, see, listen, this is what he means.
It can be proof of work as well as proof of stake.
I've had this same similar idea coming up recently
where you have your proof of work
powering consensus mechanisms,
but then you have like a jury system
where for needed human liveness consensus,
you can pay an additional fee for stake pool stakers
to essentially do like a DAO level consensus on certain on-chain activities.
And then you can give those people rewards
in an extra like proof of stake level, like reward essentially.
So you can give them the proof of work earned tokens and also
rake back or interest or whatever the heck through the proof of stake
usefulness and such like uh adjudicating sir like for instance for me for like maha decks which would be an instance i'd need is an admin
level consensus of like a return for an item you know you can't just do that with bots because how
do you know that some asshole didn't just take ai and then like lie to you about whatever they said
they got or didn't get so you need human admins that can actually review this stuff and
look at it sincerely and then make sure that these things are taken care of and they may or may not
be paid. You know, like there might be funding in the certain sense in the beginning of the thing
to where they'll get money back on like what they invested for initial creation plus a little bit but after
that you know then the rest of the money will probably have to be used just for simple promotion
of the site just complete promotion of the site and then philanthropic causes i was thinking
potentially about using like a 0.25 percent rake to, uh, this'll sound very funny, but to purchase African slaves,
like indentured servants, and then free them. So literally direct effect in the real world to
purchase somebody that would be a slave, buy them out of slavery, and then free them to be able to
live their life freely and give somebody an entire life. It's a grand blessing that you could do. And I feel like money would be a lot better spent
there and have people donating to a cause charitably by just working freely as an admin
and then getting money back through those proof of stake consensus mechanisms naturally built into
the chain rather than having to be used and have a token created by whatever scam protocol
is trying to grift the community and create a token so then they could steal whatever type
of money they want to get from you and just make a whole effort on you know how they're going to advertise this bullshit that's
inevitably going to end up in a rug pull most things frankly don't even really need tokens
they just need good systems to be able to operate
yeah for sure uh the names dow team i think they slipped up by creating their own token for that one. They should have just done it with Chia on chain. So I don't think they're trying to grift, but it's, I don't know, I can see why they would do it to create like a market for the name, but because they're rented instead of owned, it's like you're renting that token off them in a sense
every year forever and that's why people sort of don't use chia's names uh for the not exactly
maliciously but just as a result of the fact that it's rented with that name token to renew it so
yeah because you never own it you never own it so you're essentially a slave to the rent you're a slave to the rent you never own anything
i mean even a mortgage a false ownership of like having to pay property taxes and stuff at least
you know like you can reinvest the value of that thing on chia you know if you're renting something
you can't sell that thing back you only lose it when your rent runs out yeah yeah it'd be so awesome if you could get a bitcoin 2 name and build a brand on it and then
sell it as an nft now that would be like commerce 2.0 because you could just get like jellybean.bitcoin
to make the most beautiful the app with ai possibly and then be like okay put it up for
sale by selling the nft you can sell the website as well so a permanent name would replace like
wordpress and uh the buying phase and the ownership phase and the renewing it phase all in one and so
i think it's magical if it can be done i love HNS as well because it's sort of running live all the time.
It feels like it's a secure thing.
And it's interesting that you said someone built a browser on a different project.
You said, I think you said it was, yeah, tap tools.
You mentioned that a few minutes ago.
No, no, no, not a browser.
It's just like a ton of dApps to use on the deck screener.
It's like for the Block Explorer, it's a ton of dApps built into the site, basically.
Not really a browser.
It's kind of like your idea that you were talking about, but all built into one system
rather than the window to give you the ability to customize whatever you want to use
got you yeah so h and s is like a meeting place for other blockchains it seems
it's very curious it took so long to get word to get out about it really especially as satoshi
had talked about this like really early and this was what he was working on before he basically
went quiet so yeah and this is what i've working on before he basically went quiet so yeah and
this is what i've been preaching a lot lately sorry to interrupt you but a lot of the smaller
stuff a lot of the smaller stuff like h&s chia i know uh komodo they have a inbuilt wallet atomic
swap decks which is like a kind of pretty unique thing that not a lot of chains have. So it makes them fairly decentralized, like kind of like an inbuilt bridge to give them permanent malleability
to be able to, uh, skirt all of like the sexes and all the regulations that way through the atomic
swaps, like Fero, uh, you know, XMR, a lot of those like coins like that,
that have the similar ethos all come together for like the web three,
DeFi development shit through HNS and all like the,
decentralized DNS protocols and all the data storage sites and stuff.
Cause people are all trying to move there to be able to develop the RWAs and
such, but it's only certain
chains doing it like i never see any idiot bitcoiners or ethereum holders actually doing
this crap they think they can all develop it on their evm scam systems and their bitcoin
old school 8-bit retard blocks that stuff is going to collapse on them i'm not trying to speak like a belligerent fool here but sincerely that stuff is garbage they don't even they don't even use like proper technology over there on
those types of chains like cardano is debatably a complete scam because of how charles runs that chain, right? But at least Cardano and Atom token, which literally hit nearly $0.
Atom token literally hit nearly $0 during the crash that happened on October 10th.
Even those chains still use better technology than Bitcoin and EVM chains.
Yet these are like the biggest things.
Solana has had 80% of its developers rug pull the chain and leave the chain. And then its DEX volume
has dropped 80% in the last like one to two months. So this thing is on its way out as well.
All this stuff is going to end up rug pulling
itself because they're just printing money for VCs and the entire thing is pumping from a scam
because the institutions, they can't let it collapse now because it's caught up in the
money printer scam with the whole debt cycle. So they have to keep buying up the debt. Everything's
going to keep going up. They keep wash trading it to one another and then as
these coins are mined in other countries where the electricity cost is lower they're sold onto
the american market put into the bitcoin reserve then swapped against gold and silver and then
used to purchase u.s dollars and basically you're left holding the bag and these guys sell out of the Bitcoin into the USD and stuff.
And then they transfer the debt onto the public.
That's how the bankers have been handling these collapses
since the Dutch Gilder and the Tulip Mania back in the 1600s.
And then back into the 1700s 1800s
American Revolution and War of 1812 British pound sterling collapsed
Then it got moved into the US dollar
Then now we're moving into this new scam with Bitcoin
blockchain social credit system scam
system scam basically the same shit here ever since ancient roman times with the gold scam
Basically the same shit here
where they started covering the gold uh the copper coins with layers of gold then people found out
that's when this type of stuff started and it's just been happening ever since then realistically
these bigger chains they they're just all like illicit scams most be it's such an easy follow-through thought
here but it takes a good solid amount of evidence and research that you got to look through to be
able to see this kind of stuff in patience to understand that bitcoin is like your early 2000s
cisco essentially where well all the smaller cap things like Amazon AMD and Nvidia are
really low in the charts and
Cisco is all the way up it just rug pulled itself down like 90% loss 95% loss right after the
2000s so
People lost almost everything like lost their houses and shit in this scam token
People lost almost everything like lost their houses and shit in this scam token
Cisco stock and then things like AMD and Nvidia basically like
Thousand X the value of Cisco and also now Cisco is broken even so it took you 25 years
Do you even get your money back out of this freaking blatant scam?
It's just such an obvious uh obvious system here of how
they run these things they've been doing it since the dawn of time people just got to be aware
i'm with you there i see a lot of similarities in in the way that cryptos are sort of controlled
and then the monetary side of it,
if it's not Bitcoin,
it always seems that there's VCs
or founders making the money off it.
And that's the kind of thing with Chia with the pre-farm
that I really don't fully trust
is who's pulling the strings with the pre-farm?
Like, is it Gene and Bram or is it someone else?
Oh, welcome at H&S Broker to the stage.
Good to see you there.
I'm just kind of thinking about the pre-farm of Chia.
I don't know.
That's probably not why you came up,
but welcome H&S Broker to the stage.
Feel free to jump in any time.
But yeah, I think the pre-farm for Chia
has been used to make the price go down, actually.
It's kind of heartbreaking, and it seems conspiracy theory-ish, but I feel that that's what's happening.
That's why I advocate for a Bitcoin 2 launch from day one again with no pre-farm at all,
and give all the rights and the branding to the developers and say, there you go,
Team Satoshi is born. Let's release Bitcoin 2 together with no preform,
just on the off chance it's being used maliciously.
Like one of the spaces hosts saying it definitely is.
And Peter Thiel and the people that pull the strings of Chia,
are they trustworthy on camera?
I don't think they are.
So that's why I think we need a Bitcoin to with a name system.
And hence HNS is running, but it could be something else too. I don't know if anyone's
got any thoughts on that. Well, just so I can understand it a little better. Do you mean like
not a fork or just starting a completely new sort of Chia Bitcoin too? Cause I thought you
meant just renaming Chia, but it's pretty interesting hearing you say
starting over with a fair
distribution because truthfully I don't
know which one will work best. Maybe in some cases
the pre-farm under the
right circumstances makes more sense
but as we've seen
it's been kind of rough so far so I'm
open-minded to anything like that.
Yeah
definitely. If the core team Gene and Br, want to take the Bitcoin 2 name,
they can have it because they're already running.
So they're essentially, it's like a 100-meter race,
and they're at the 99-meter point.
If they want to step through the final meter,
I'm in the changing room putting my laces on.
It's going to take me some time.
So if they want the Bitcoin 2 name, they can rename it.
And I would say maybe problem solved.
And then people will be asking who's using Bitcoin 2 pre-mine.
And why does Bitcoin 2 have a pre-mine, which is interesting.
I'm smiling just thinking about some of the questions there.
All the Sherlock Holmeses around the world will be like,
what's the pre-farm?
Is the market maker private?
Yes.
Surely you can't have a secret market maker
in a single blockchain with a pre-farm.
Apparently you can.
But if they don't want the Bitcoin 2 name,
then it could launch afresh from day one again.
And it could also be a fork of GEO with no pre-farm
called Bitcoin 2.
So someone could take the idea and think, well, I don't want afarm called Bitcoin 2. So someone could take the idea and think,
well, I don't want a new chain called Bitcoin 2
from that crazy English guy who talks about child trafficking.
Like, we'll fork here, get rid of the pre-farm,
and we'll call it Bitcoin 2 first because it's a naming attack.
That's what this is.
Bitcoin 2 is a naming attack.
It's a middle finger at the CIA and the people that thought
that they could install like a totalitarian
government it's a middle finger straight in their face it's a naming attack it's like terminator one
what should we call the sequel should we call it cheer well no call it terminator 2 because
that makes sense so yeah it's a naming attack in a sense but i would advocate for a day one
relaunch start again and just hand the keys over to the developers who should run the website
2bitcoin.org.
Now that's interesting.
It definitely should not be me.
It's too centralized.
That's obvious.
So I will turn the keys of 2bitcoin.org over to anyone before it even launches, if it's
going to launch, that is.
Until that day, I will hold the 2bitcoin.org
website. But, yeah,
imagine, how could the website run
if it, I don't know if people...
You got my attention there.
I was just burping into the mic.
Like some old school
video gamer shit
where you pick up the mic and
fart or burp into it.
Yeah, what would be on the Bitcoin
2 website?
Could it have separate sections?
Could there be one project have one section?
Could it just be an audio
conversation on the front page of it
running 24-7? That's one choice. Make the front page of it running 24 7 that's one choice
make the front page of bitcoin 2 audio based possibly maybe it should be the software maybe
it could be a mixture of all the things maybe it could be a bitcoin to name system or maybe it
could just be a mem of the week it's up to community that's kind of i think that's exciting
but how would you do Bitcoin 2 from day one?
How do you stop it becoming centralized?
How do you stop it,
you know,
someone taking over it, let's say.
A cult of personality, you don't want that.
But no pre-farm is the magic
source, I think, just like Bitcoin 1.
If I could share my thoughts on it.
Yeah, please do.
Bitcoin too, you know, just like Coke or something, this is like a strong meme in people's minds.
And it's very powerful using Bitcoin.
And so I think it could work.
The only risk I see, and this is just me talking off the top of my head, is somehow Bitcoin
catastrophically failed.
Bitcoin one just got wrecked and everyone lost their homes and everyone lost all their
money.
And at that point, maybe Bitcoin two wouldn't make sense.
But at the same time, nobody knows what Chia is and everyone knows what Bitcoin is.
So yeah, it's just something I'm thinking about.
I don't really, I'm not making an opinion either way.
Just sharing.
That's an interesting thought is if Bitcoin one failed.
Well, whenever I hear pre-mine, pre-farm, pre-scam,
that's what is in my mind, pre-scam.
It's how they're setting you up to fucking knock you down like a pin.
You know, like a pin you know like a pi
network that's a big whoopee cushion fart scam right there too that thing is trash it was iouing
for like 50 a token it's an absolutely useless shit coin there's no point why anybody should be
holding that thing and it's worth like thousands.
It was worth thousands of times more than Chia.
I mean, Chia was like $1,500, but this thing was like spiking up ridiculous too.
Like now Chia is like kind of like in the shitter, frankly.
But I honestly think, you know, a lot of these things are just pre-mined in order to just scam.
these things are just pre-mined in order to just scam. And if I'm trying to think of how to put
this, if you're a, a wise individual, that's a big daddy scammer, like a, a big white collar
criminal, the way that you'll run your scam operation is you will seek to take people's work liquidity, just like how Edward got, essentially, because at the end of the day, that's all you could steal from somebody is just their life force and their effort through slowly loosing it from them, either through like taxes, upcharging them on bullshit, slowly stealing it from them on rug pulls you know that's really
the only thing you can take at the end of the day besides stealing resources from the earth
directly itself so that's how a lot of people run these scams and when you get rug pulled
that's really what it is they want you to keep buying into the shit coin that they've already owned the majority
allocation of.
And then they'll just dump on you all the way down while you keep buying this
thing with your work money and putting liquidity into it.
Because if you pump,
okay,
if we create a token right now,
all,
how many of us are in the chat?
Seven of us.
If we all create a token right now,
we'll name it glorious shit coin
This glorious shit coin that we have if we all lock it up and spread the shit through our wallets
Make a whole ton of alt wallets whole ton of fake wallets and I'll lock up this token
Right, it'll look like there's a whole ton of money in this, in this coin. Basically,
we could wash trade it, give it a whole ton of volume, make it look completely ridiculous,
just like Charles is doing with night token right now. And then when you do that, you can
FUD the chain and make it look like something it isn't. And I guarantee you if you go through, even right now, go through most of Chia's posts on Twitter,
you know, if you look up like Money Sign Chia,
I'll bet you that you'll find a ton of weird like bot accounts
spam posting that Money Sign Chia.
And then also if you go and look at the volume
and go and look at a block explorer
you'll see that this volume that's really like boosting the volume there's thousands of dollars
just transferring between the exchanges every day and that's how they artificially inflate the volume
by just moving it through exchanges day after day to make it look like more people are using
the thing than they actually are. So it's just an entire massively elaborate scam job. I mean,
I know how to do these things. I've never done them before, but I know how to do these things.
That's what I'm saying. My project is going to involve absolutely none of this fucking filthy
ass scammery and thievery because I'm not going to tolerate this kind of crap frankly like if you're human trafficking on
my site selling guns or drugs we're coming to get you you could clip this you could do whatever the
hell you want say that you're getting threatened we're speaking violence on you or anything like
that that's absolutely nonsense we're not going to allow that type of crap on our site
when you're using
it. It's just not going to be allowed.
I think a lot of blockchains are built
on the ethos of scamming
in secret.
When you bring it up to them,
they kind of hide. I don't know
who the founders of Chia are, but I guarantee
you if you ask them
this stuff openly they're not going to want to speak about it they'll be hiding about it
they want to won't want to talk to you and they'll run you around in circles like a fucking politician
the way you know somebody isn't scamming is when they're just straight up telling you stuff to your
face or like being completely genuine about just telling the truth all the time
yeah someone's voice can give it away a bit but even good liars can cover it
but the origin story of chia's pre-farm is known fairly uh i think there's a definitive piece of
evidence is that bram cohen himself was on camera saying that
he was in a recorded interview and he said that the pre-farm size was chosen by gene hoffman
who called bram and said make sure you put this size pre-farm in and that pre-farm size was
basically the full supply of bitcoin extra so the reason for a pre-mine was basically it was
gene's call and he chose the size of it as well now i would say that that's insanely way too
centralized straight away like that's a red flag for me if bram didn't even choose it and it wasn't
his choice then what are we doing here he's the mathematician so yeah the giant size of chia's pre-farm it's like 80 percent of the
suppliers and it's something like 70 percent and they said they'd never sell it and now
they're selling it directly to the people in the community which is basically paying for the
salaries of people that are earning 400 grand a year whereas everyone else is basically broke because it's only gone down in price so i don't know it's a it's a treasury liquidation scam that's what i'm saying there's only certain
types of these scams i'll run them over for you guys really quick so you could be aware of all
the types of them you got your classic dow forks where sometimes they'll even pay somebody to hack the chain and then fork through a DAO and then take the money from the person that they paid to hack the chain and then divvy it up through the treasury to these devs, like Edward's saying.
Sometimes they're just blatant enough to do exactly what he's saying and then just scam you through the treasury just openly like they are on chia where they're paying these guys
salaries and you're just getting fucked and then there's just the uh classic vc rug where they like
solana where they print out the money then the vc just rug pulls you and drains your liquidity
from sandwich attacking you um and then there's also uh uh, what do you call it? The airdrop rug. That's another one.
They just rug pull you from the airdrop as soon as it drops. And then the people that are buying
it on hype, because the price is high during the airdrop release, those people are exit liquidity
for the people that are selling the locked tokens because
they're literally just airdropping. So a good majority of them appear to be locked in the chain,
falsely pumping the price. And then there's, this is the biggest type of scam. It's the VC scam
combined with the mainstream media propagation, along with the bitmain ASIC
release that one is extremely extremely deadly you'll lose everything you own
people have been known to lose their houses in those types of scams it's the
worst the worst type of crypto scam people don't know what hit them until their wallets at
zero that's what solana is i don't really know the tokenomics of solana too much i kind of
miss following it when it started so was that a vc scam yes a vc scam because they print out the money and hand it to the VCs. It's not an ASIC scam because it's POS, but for instance, something like a Lefium blockchain, that's a full Bitmain scam where they use the miners, use Bitmain to pump the price, then the miners dumped.
the miners use bitmain to pump the price then the miners dumped basically what they do is they go
into channels they don't use mainstream media they go into other crypto channels fud the token
through the other crypto channels and then use that as their promotion and then they get the
miner the asic to come out through bitmain and then these big buyers of the huge ASICs through
Bitmain are ready to dump on the daily on your ass so they buy these things then those are the
huge VCs that are giving these people the money that are involved in this Bitmain scam. Solana
isn't this sophisticated but certain scams like this they've gone to that type of level where they do the whole bit, mean gig and everything.
Also Caspa is kind of like a scam like that.
Not necessarily Caspa has some potential to recover,
but most of these coins that are a six scams like this,
just completely just dumped to $0 and never recover.
I think what you're saying is very interesting and uh I like hearing it especially the castle when I didn't know that
but um I will say I I still don't know I'm not saying either way that chia the pre-farm is a
scammer it isn't that they are building real stuff and uh could be though i'm open-minded i'm just a guy so
hearing you say all this stuff is good stuff to think about but there might be a method to their
madness um i did hear just to be the devil's advocate as well as they raised like 100 million
in cash usd and i was under the impression they were using that to pay their employees but i may
be wrong if they're cashing out the xch coin to pay their employees that's that's a little more troubling i guess but um
yeah i i don't know but um it's always good to test question your own thoughts and beliefs because
before i got into this conversation i never even doubted it so at least i'll sleep tonight i'll
think about it and uh it's good to know everything you're saying. I think it's important to share with everybody.
I mean, I have personal experience with this. Like the guy that's attacking Urga right now is fucking draining the treasury. He was the number one top paid guy. This asshole was the judge and jury. Yeah, he was the community manager. So when he was fucking soliciting sex in the main chats of this blockchain that I'm in, he was the guy that was handling his own reports.
When he was sending death threats to people on the chain, he was the guy handling his own reports.
It's only because the core devs teamed up against this asshole that he's now gotten off of the chain
and then now is holding the chats hostage how he is because this dude is literally a psychopath
that is just meant to just be malicious on this chain because he's not able to get money
since his foundation is being dissolved and they can't liquidate the treasury anymore.
Foundation is being dissolved and they can't liquidate the Treasury anymore. These this is what I'm saying if you
If you really hold these people accountable
Like Edward has been doing with this West asshole. They just flee from you lie and then fucking
Manipulate they just manipulate everything to appear like they're doing absolutely nothing and that you're just some psychopath
everything to appear like they're doing absolutely nothing and that you're just some psychopath
when they have you can have clear evidence that these guys are complete thieves and scammers even
like for instance the treasury wallet literally has porn nfts inside of it because of this dude
that was spreading these porn nfts through the thing i i have the transactions
on his treasury wallet from where um he was like getting the funds from the treasury sent also to
this treasury wallet to then pay for community efforts and he was community manager, like I'm saying, and never organized one single community event.
Like, go look through Chia's history and see if any of these dudes that are really getting paid are even doing the fucking shit that they're supposed to be doing.
I guarantee you, probably 75% of them are not.
And there's 25% that are good out there.
Those dudes you got to use to throw the assholes
off of the chain and clear it out. That way you can have a good solid base to be able to build
off of into the future for people to actually want to come to because they're not getting
fucking scammed and ripped off by people that are trying to liquidate the treasury on them
and just rob
them blind essentially that's why i get so pissed off with this frankly because this is just open
thievery that's legally allowed because there's no jurisdiction that these chains are in so people
could just set this up and just rob idiots because it's such a new thing that most people don't even realize
yeah it definitely takes a lot of trust maybe more trust than people really
realize they're giving people you know 80% of the whole you know if you own 80%
of all the coins that's a big leaf of faith and maybe someone
can do that right maybe there are people who have good faith and do that but it's so hard when when
yeah i can imagine a lot of it's just tempting i mean how could you not um well edward where's
your evidence for them uh paying them out of the treasury for example
like what what else have they been doing in accordance with like the same type of treasury
liquidation stuff yeah i'm gonna say that i'm not 100 sure they have i should probably
triple check it but when they canceled the uh when they had problems with the bank, the financial,
it was like the, basically it was linked to Peter Thiel.
It was quite suspicious.
It was linked to Peter Thiel moving money out of Silicon Valley Bank.
Basically, the bank that was underwriting Chia went bankrupt.
And Chia said that to keep the company going, to pay the costs,
we have to start selling the
pre-farm otherwise we'll we'll die basically c and i will die so i interpreted that that if oh
so this is a money laundering scam as well this is a money laundering uh treasury liquidation scam
through chia is what this is because it's linked to peter teal so he's moving his illicit human trafficking and
black budget funds through chia masking it through these eight okay i i see that i see the light here
now i see the entire operation in complete clear full enlightenment here on the state of chia
and what's going on with this well there you go lurky i hope
you're listening for that that's a bit of fud i know you like a bit of fud but well yeah i'm not
sure it's it's possible i don't i don't know if teal himself is moving money through chia i'm not
sure maybe but they started selling the pre-pump saying that we have to fund the business so i
presume that that meant they have to pay the business so i presume that that meant
they have to pay the salary so maybe the salary is being paid by the vc investors before and i'm
wrong i'm not sure but essentially they're they sold i don't know five million dollars to fund
silicon well there's zero carbon there's a zero carbon initiative involved in this, right? As well. Yeah. Zero. That's right. Yeah.
Okay.
I did not.
I've done.
I want you guys to know I've done zero research on this chain.
I'm so accustomed to knowing these scams and what to look for.
I'm going to tell you right now, this is a scam.
That's how I knew that there was zero carbon involved.
Because when there's zero carbon involved and i hear the words peter teal the first thing that comes to mind is this is a grand scam this is a this is
beyond the level of just a simple scam this is like a full level like like freaking top jew zion jewish homeland scam where like these guys are really pushing billions
because where did this hundred million come from for the usd was that through usdt or usdc
also they raised it uh through traditional like like a, like it wasn't even in USCT.
Like they did regular funding rounds from what I understand.
And, but they were wrong.
Were they shell companies?
You could be right.
I think, what do you mean?
Like who actually owns these companies?
Because it's so like, for instance, Mexi, it Mexi, the company that just steals people's
trading funds all the time. It's owned by a Southeast Asian shell company that links back
to Google data centers and Bitmain and basically like these same ASIC scammers. I'm telling you,
these guys are all interlinked. They're a massive fucking scam chain, dude. And it's all used to
push black budget funding and
fucking launder huge amounts of money i'm not even joking you can look up things called shadow fleets
they're huge navies this isn't blockchain related but it's similar to it like the secrecy of this
kind of like massive money movement they're illegal navies that move these massive tanker and
cargo ships of illegal goods and stuff. They're called shadow fleets. There's very little
information on them, but they're like huge ass amounts of goods, like trillions of dollars
worth of stuff on the black market. And it's well hidden to the point where a lot of people don't even know this stuff exists but this is how these guys launder this money through
so i would not be surprised especially if it's not through usdc or usdt that that random like
airdrop of a hundred million from these companies isn't going to be from some shell company that's
associated with some other fraud in some regard.
Just like how Andrew Tate just recently got exposed with his wallet laundering a ton of money for
like some cattle ranch in Texas. It's just some random fraud. Like these guys are just involved
with random fraud because you can only be rich if you're scamming and stealing from people.
Most people are only rich because of that.
That's really like the only way.
You have to take a net positive on people.
So somebody has to be at a net negative
in order for you to do that
due to the law of thermodynamics.
So you have to essentially quote unquote steal
in order to profit over somebody.
And then there's always gonna be some loser in each trade realistically so i look it up if you're interested so 2018 they
had seed funding round 3.4 million they had a series d round 61 million and total all across the board about 80 million and the series D round
where they got most of the money was from like Androids and Horowitz, Richmond Global
Ventures, True Ventures, Briar Capital, Slow Ventures, Naval something. So, oh, then they
raised another 500 million. So, but this is all in cash. So that's what I thought they
were running the company.
And I don't,
I'm not,
I don't know.
I'm not there.
I can't,
I'm hearing what you're saying.
And you know,
they are building real products and I don't know either way.
I'm not,
but yeah.
So I don't know.
What do you think of that?
Like,
do you know anything about running a series D?
Like I,
I'm really, that's over my head.
The Horowitz one is A16Z.
A16Z is a VC scam.
Anderson Horowitz is A16Z VC scam.
Yeah, that's – I mean, that's good to know I've heard of them
yeah who knows
the eight
it's crazy how many scams
out here
yeah eight here
here's a
legal document about them being
legally prosecuted for them fucking scamming.
Right here.
Hold on.
Let me share this in the comments.
Yep.
These guys are just always scamming.
Always, always scamming.
What the fuck dude
can't
I can't post
I can't post it in the comments I don't know why weird
yeah I mean to be fair almost everything's a scam now today Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You can see how it's all broken.
And even if Chia,
I'm not saying it is, again,
I hope it's not.
I have a lot of money invested in it.
Even if it is a scam,
it doesn't mean the price can't go up
because it's so low.
Yeah, that's the thing with these weird scams
is that they make like 90 degree vertical moves out of nowhere because they just get like liquidity injections for like hundreds of billions of dollars out of fucking nowhere for no reason.
Because somebody's moving or doing something.
But anyway, I actually got to head out.
It was really cool meeting you guys and talking with you.
This is the first space talk I've ever actually talked in. So it's cool.
You guys listened to me ramble.
And I learned a few things, man.
So it's good talking to you all. it's good talking to you too man all right see you guys bye
wow we're at four hours already just about which is pretty cool gone fast i was chatting about
bitcoin 2 h and s handshake how it could all
link in the first hour or so we've been chatting about climate change uh scams different uh types
of scams and also if cheer is one which uh yeah andreas and horowitz when i saw that a16z i was
like that's that's a bit of a red flag there. I was like, oh dear, because they're linked to almost everything in Silicon Valley.
And then Mark Andreessen, I don't really trust him from his interviews.
And plus, he talks about drones being weapons, and that scares me.
So he's the head of it all.
So it's the fact that they're invested in Chia.
I think that's a warning sign of some kind
and again Bitcoin 2 I think takes care of it
the name rights
you know a Silicon Valley run scam if it is
and I don't think it is
versus a Bitcoin 2 fresh start
should get rid of some of the scams from the start
but there's always risk though I guess
you can't really turn the risks off can but there's always risk though, I guess.
You can't really turn the risks off, can you?
There's always going to be people trying to control it,
control the media, control the message boards.
They haven't controlled spaces yet.
That's one thing.
And that's good.
Spaces are... Well, I was using this analogy earlier
when I was talking about this same type of thing.
If you go back even to like the Roman Senate, there is hundreds of different government officials there.
Yeah, there is still corruption and tyranny with the emperor.
So no matter what you do, this type of stuff is going to exist unless you have the right type of system with people to kind of clear out the crap.
the right type of system with people to kind of clear out the crap.
Like on X spaces,
one of the reasons why I feel like it exists is because people that are like in
the communities of the people that like speak up about stuff,
they all stick together,
you know,
and like cover each other's back and create a whole ton of noise on stuff.
So then people kind of got to back off whenever something happens to somebody like i've
seen plenty of people get their money back from mech c when they just blatantly outright steal
your money and then uh a ton of people start posting on twitter about it and then they stop
and give you your money back.
Yeah, totally.
Yeah, crazy time in the world.
Crazy time.
Yeah, I still think that the live conversation links to blockchain is going to be where it's at.
That's going to be the key,
is if we can get software in the hands of influencers
that can onboard their followers,
that's where the mainstream adoption is going to be.
Like, how do people, how do you connect with celebrities through blockchain?
That should be fairly easy because if a celebrity has an NFT,
then they have a name, they have a location they can be contacted at.
So private access should be quite easy with NFTs.
And then if the, and thanks to Erg for saying
that it's a direct portal.
Yeah, you can embed a, sorry to interrupt you,
but you can embed a chat link into that NFT
and then you could buy an NFT from the celebrity
to be able to directly talk to them for a certain price.
You could just list up the NFT, say $5,000, $10,000,
to have a direct link to John Cena or Beyonce or Jay-Z.
Love it. That's a double heart there.
Yeah, exactly.
Connecting to John Cena in the rush browser wallet or whatever
it's called or the john cena wallet because he could have his own one if you just had to buy his
nft and he could set the price at his computer that's something that a grandma could do that's
fairly easy it's intuitive right you could just type the number on the thing in the app and it's
like okay well contact john
cena for five thousand dollar nft done you don't even really need a middleman maybe with these
nfts you can have like a complete open line to them like not like a phone number but you have
like an irc chat or like a pgp chat directly to them at all times. So, I mean, it's their choice if they want to listen to you,
but you could still pay to be able to actually, like,
talk to the real them.
Yeah, absolutely.
Brilliant.
And you'd know exactly that it was the real them
because it's, you know, they control the keys for it.
So I suppose they could link it to a bot though.
I need to think this through.
I suppose John Cena could have a bot that says less likely.
Yeah.
It would be a lot less likely if somebody is paying good money to be able to
speak to the individual.
Like this might sound kind of weird as well too but if you go and look
at like those uh weirdos that like pay for women and stuff like that the people that are doing that
you know they'll give a man that's paying like five thousand dollars for an escort good attention
because he's a high-pay paying customer and they'll show him like
a certain type of respect due to the amount that they're giving out to them to pay to them so I
mean it's kind of like something on that kind of personal level where a lot of people use those
escorts in like a business sense to uh have like a false wife or whatever to make themselves appear more
like authoritative at a business function and stuff. Not really even for like sex work or
anything like that. But that I feel like if you're doing something in a professional sense like that
with an NFT, with like a celebrity, not in like a sexual sense, but in the way where you're trying to connect with them in a professional relationship manner and appear more authoritative because you're spending the money for it.
I don't think they'd be foolish enough to try to use a bot because if that got out, nobody would be spending the kind of money that they'd expect for that service.
If you see what I'm saying.
Right. Yeah. Makes complete sense. the kind of money that they'd expect for that service if you see what i'm saying right yeah
makes complete sense if they did use a bot it would be they'd be creating negative backlash
on their own brand so it'd be like you're giving someone the tool and they've made themselves look
a fool that's on them then yeah exactly yeah it makes sense i really like that idea that the nfts for access seems like such a no-brainer
and would be quite easy to do i think especially if you well that's a thing that we already have
on ergo actually we have a blackjack nft portal where you could play blackjack through your nft
really kind of cool you could use it for other stuff too. Like you
could create website portals through it
that are like web APIs
and stuff like that.
That's cool.
Can you access it anywhere or do you
have to have a certain browser to do it?
No, you could just access
it through a URL and
use it as like a guest.
But if you use it with like a private key then you
could have like a more personalized system yeah for sure nfts are like the digital key
for all the different d apps in the future i can see like different like different blockchains
linking together in a browser so if there was like a shared 3d world
you could sign into it with a cardano nft or even a cheer nft or a handshake nft like if the browser
is the meeting place or the 3d world in it let's say which is linked to data layer ultimately ones
and zeros then different blockchains could meet in that location
and sort of enter the doors with nfts as keys and then you're stepping into a spoken voice world
and so that could be anything that could be dating that could be football fans that could be
you know chats like this or it could be something completely different it could be a sex room it
could be like uh what were those numbers that it was before my time but what. It could be a sex room. It could be like a... What were those numbers that...
It was before my time, but what you'd call a sex number at night.
It was always in Hollywood movies.
It'd be like in the back of a newspaper or something.
It'd be like a sex line.
A girl talking about it.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
It's like a phone number, yeah, where you talk to a real person, though.
Yeah.
Yeah, I see.
Like, that could become a career through NFTs if there's one system,
because you just connect rather than through the back of the book
and the phone number, you just do it clicking on an NFT
or paying for access.
Yeah, and it limits the bots as well.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I think it's a problem. There's just a lot of stuff you can do here
you should be
more in the chat that
I got going on Telegram over there
you and Mayank is he coming to this
space as well
that was
yeah Mayank Roy he's I think he is yeah he's not been yet today i'm not sure if he's free
today but yeah i've not i struggle with telegram i every time i install it and i apologize i didn't
reply in there yet i uh always open it there's so many messages from all the different things i'm in
and then i just think i don't know i'm not. So, yeah, I should probably go back and check it out.
You've got some good conversations going on, but I didn't reply yet.
Yeah, because we're always trying to work on stuff similar to what you're trying to do, dude.
Nice.
Yeah, that's great.
Doc, you should come up to the stage here, man.
Yeah, please come up.
Shout out to Rush Browser, rushbrowser.com.
HNS Browser.
The goal is to raise funds, so if you're listening back, then we've got to get $1,300.
You can donate in crypto, PayPal, all the different chains on there.
If we could hit $1,300 more, then it's open source.
Raul is going to open source it and we can carry on.
And there's a browser out there.
So yeah, it's pretty cool.
Have you tried Rush Browser?
I'm not sure if you've installed it before, but...
No, I'm going to need to use that though in order to access my
HNS domain that I got.
Yeah, because you can't use a regular
DNS browser. You've got to use the native HNS ones.
Yeah, that's refreshing.
It's refreshing to have a different piece of software
that isn't Chrome or Brave or that lineage of software.
It feels different.
It's got a rugged kind of feel to it.
One of the features I like is when you not minimize it,
not maximize, not minimize, what's the middle one called?
When it sort of shrinks the screen but doesn't minimize it.
Anyway, like the middle size option, it locks it in the screen.
So you can't drag it around the screen.
It's sort of locked in place.
So it's easier to play with.
I'm really impressed by the Rush browser.
I wish I could read the code of it.
I'm not sure about bugs of security.
That's something that I need to...
Are you not that great at doing coding?
No, I can't do it at all.
Yeah, me neither.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not that great at a coder.
If there was a grant program in Ch and i could hire a developer or if there
was a developer who could build something i could have built a few little bits from bob so far that
could bring people in but i can't i just like even when i work i work for free it seems
and uh so it's like four years of work in blockchain and two years of work
for a tech entrepreneur and there's still no money whatsoever anywhere so what hope does someone have
if they're like a homeless indian child who's got a dream to build a bit of software like it's
almost impossible that's what i'm saying man it's just like oh my god yeah it feels like you're
never gonna get anywhere on here i don't i at this point at this point i frankly just
i that's why i kind of been focusing on this entrepreneur-based effort because realistically,
the only way to earn money is to stop trying to bring users into the chain
and just develop something that entrepreneurs can do on the chain
to raise money through the chain.
So it brings money into the ecosystem like from actual serious
thing not just like some made up
nonsense
yeah I need to
start getting into this soon
I've got a I'm hoping
to do it in January I need to do a fundraiser
to raise money for the thing I was
meant to build with wes that he's basically
tried to steal audio campfires and audio pay-per-view so i'm gonna do a fundraiser soon
i'm not sure whether to do it on gofundme or kickstarter i think they both have their
advantages but ultimately i'm gonna have to bring some money in to hire a developer i guess
but yeah well do you have do you have good success doing these
fundraisers because it seems like you've just gotten 300 out of nowhere in the last four hours
yeah i can't claim credit for that i'm afraid i think it was that was it was yeah i was 300
out when i launched the space i think someone donated it before this space started.
If it was during the space, that's awesome,
but I don't think it was me.
This is the first fundraiser I've tried to do live.
So far, I haven't raised a dollar, but there you go.
I don't necessarily say things that are popular,
so it doesn't encourage donations.
Yeah, that is true.
You're not selling your soul out absolutely yeah that's not gonna
happen I'd rather raise nothing waste all my time and not sell my soul for sure that's a no-brainer
yeah time here is short we only got like if you're lucky, 100 years or so.
Then it's all gone.
It's not worth it to build any crap here
when you could be building stuff in eternity.
Absolutely.
That's one of the reasons I love Data Layer
is the fact you could build stuff permanently,
like infinitely there.
So if you created a 3D metaverse in data layer, it should run the same in 50 years as it does
now, because it would be a definitive form.
And that's something that, I think that's where the magic will be, is a 3D world that's
uncensorable.
And I think it will happen.
It's just a question of when.
But that's one of my goals.
So it's certainly, if I could get Rush Browser open sourced
and either cheat and rename Bitcoin too
so that the price might go up or the pre-farm gotten rid of
or a new chain altogether,
a 3D world is one of the next things that i want to focus on
because it can be infinite and forever and i think that's very appealing like a 3d world like a
that's like a if i need a little bit of weed i'll be back in a second
one second my man i'll probably one minute away
all right in a second one second my man probably one minute away already Thank you. I'll be back one sec. Thank you. That's better, I'm back.
I really wanted to have a hit of weed for this.
I'd love to get your thoughts on this and throw this idea out to the world.
This is kind of my next vision here.
here.
Alrighty.
All righty.
OK, so a new 3D standard.
A new 3D standard.
I'm writing this down here so that I know exactly I said it.
Powered by programmable cubes.
Sorry if it sounds a bit disjointed for the first few moments here.
I just want to write the key to things.
A new 3D standard powered by programmable cubes.
It's actually blockchain agnostic in the sense that it doesn't require a blockchain to do it,
but it can link to every blockchain.
It lives on data layer.
And fundamentally, it's powered by a new sort of file,
which I'm tentatively calling the p cube format dot pcube
which means programmable cube it would be either 10 by 10 by 10 or 100 by 100 by 100
and i'm like this is a modular coding system, essentially, right?
Okay, that's an interesting way to look at it.
What does modular coding system mean?
You just basically program these blocks to have certain levels of data in them
and just combine them together like a fucking block castle, basically.
Yeah, exactly that dude you need to go into the telegram chat that i'm in and talk with uh the kushty dude
the ergo core dev he's literally developing this on ergo right now he was just talking about it on Vlad Costi's podcast. Yeah, we're working on this kind of idea on Ergo.
Actually, your idea would make his even better, frankly,
because he's just trying to do copy paste code snippets.
But this is like a fucking like genius level idea here, man.
If you go, yeah, go in there at him and then tell him about the idea.
Like keep at it, like make, and then tell him about the idea. Like, keep at it.
Like, make sure that you let him know.
And he'll develop it.
Like, no joke.
He's developed some of my ideas and some of the other community members' ideas.
Just tell him about it.
Like, for his copy-paste code things, the cube thing, just write, like like a little paper for him or something
that he could read and then
tag him in it
and put like a tag
Joe Semi or
Bruno in
there too and they'll take a look at it
they're
also PC Freak 30
PC Freak he's a really good dev
from Sui
awesome man that's fantastic They're also PC Freak 30. PC Freak, he's a really good dev from Sui.
Awesome, man.
That's fantastic.
Yeah, there's a lot of devs.
Dude, there's a lot of devs in my chat there.
I don't know how to dev too well, but they're good at deving,
and they help me learn stuff.
They've been giving me good pointers.
They said you don't really need to know how to code good at all to be coding. they help me learn stuff. Like they've been giving me good pointers. Like they told me to,
they said,
you don't really need to know how to code good at all to be coding. Just organize everything into folders really good in my GitHub.
That way they can look at it and tell me where I fucked it up.
And like,
they'll just feed me the right code lines.
Well,
that's awesome,
dude.
Yeah.
I really appreciate that. That's amazing. dude. Yeah, I really appreciate that.
That's amazing. And also,
a modular coding system. I like
that line, too.
Is that basically the idea that you're
going for with this, right?
It sounds pretty much like it.
Yeah, it's a way of
creating a
visual form that can
be projected in the future
into the physical world.
So as well as it being a new 3D standard,
it will be very simple to read things because the code is all...
Although it's like a coding hologram in the form of a visual thing,
basically, right?
Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And so it could be shown in the computer just like you
are on minecraft but if a hologram projector got hold of it it'd be definitively easy to project
it because it uses the most basic you know when you're at school you like it's one centimeter by
one centimeter it's basically it's like that because it's like that. Because it's 10 by 10 by 10, or 100 by 100 by 100,
like every location is a coordinate that's either A, B, C.
And A, B, C coordinates are like X and Y,
but to make it easier for people.
So you'd start in the top left-hand corner,
go right, go down, and then go backwards into the screen.
So that the 3D form is basically made from 100 or, what is it, 1, 2, 6, a million mini-cubes.
And whether the cube is...
Dude, you could fucking compress a ton of bits into that, and you could literally write a whole computer into that cube.
Wow, please, can you elaborate on that?
That sounds fascinating.
Well, look at your thing, for example, and what you're saying.
If you imagine that big cube of your profile picture made up of trillions of little atomic-sized cubes
that are all stacked on one another, that are all like a computer screen of a
ton of tiny little pixels making up that big thing you could just basically like basically
how like regular code works but just with like a visual computer on the screen yeah like you could essentially still
though compactualize all those bits like for instance like a minecraft computer right
you can build this type of thing inside of the minecraft game and if you put enough stuff into it you could have like a really decent
computer it would just be like
unfathomably hard to
scale to make something
like very quick but you could
literally use the Minecraft world
to hold the logic
to create like a
hugely powerful
computer running at like
3.5 gigahertz like would like i said though it would
just be unfathomably hard to scale that to make that thing you might be able to get like a one
to two hertz cpu in a regular minecraft computer but to get like 3.5 gigahertz would just be insane
although you could in theory do it and then like it would be the same thing like your
idea just compactualizing all the bits and all the data into like just a huge singular
functional protocol with all like the data points that create like the cubes or like whatever shape you want yeah absolutely and you could upload it from
cardano or you could upload it from chia or you could upload it from another blockchain and i
think that where it kind of holds together as one thing is that each p cube would have its own number
so the first one would be called p cube one the second
one will be called p cube two and once it's on let's say on chain in the data layer once it's
stored online that then it's forever that shape so by putting it online you're uploading the pq
file which would be about i think between two to 10 megabytes in total,
depending on how big, whether it's 100 by 100 by 100 or 10 by 10 by 10.
So it may even be smaller than that, but that's the maximum size it could possibly be.
But that will be stored on the data layer.
And then that will be that number forever.
So whoever got dibs on putting p cube one online
would forever have put like the most rare shape because when people type number one it will go
to that cube so numbers are a key part of this system and once you've got a way to upload them
onto the data layer then you've got how do you arrange them into shapes so that each cube that's 100 by 100 by 100 could
then fit into different shapes to create worlds essentially of multiple blocks of them so it
actually scales to infinity as well so it would be the world's first true metaverse as i understand
it i don't think this has ever been done just be like a mega size
it would really just be like a huge ass computer inside of a computer yeah that's the way to look
at it i think i'm gonna write that one down i'll quote you on it as well a huge ass computer
within a computer yeah because you could compress all those blocks
together dude that's honestly like a genius idea there I thank you yeah how
would it compress them because if like you just said if you take all those
hundreds of blocks and jam them all together you'll get one mega huge block
and that's basically like what they do with 32 and 64 bits i i see i i see i'm trying to make sure that i haven't said something wrong to
give you the wrong impression so
say there's like a 100 by 100 by by a hundred it's basically blank space but
the millionth mini cube is the number one so when you open that programmable cube you'll see
you know completely vacant space in the cube but in the back right hand corner there'll be one tiny
millionth of a cube there if you look closely, because that will have a number one next to it.
And that would then be uploaded to the data layer.
Is that...
No, I'm thinking of it more so like a...
So like right now, if you're on like a screen,
you're looking at your X space and whatnot,
and it's like all real smooth
well put together but it's just a ton of small blocks of pixels that are just well put together
if you look really closely you can kind of see some of like the uh stuff in the screen and whatnot
but it's kind of hard because there's so many microscopic thousands
upon hundreds of thousands
or millions of them.
If you're playing
a fucking 8-bit Mario,
you see
8 bits of data.
It's a lot more blocky and chunky
just like Minecraft.
But then when you're on 32 or
64 bits, it smoothens it yeah
that's what I see it more so as like the smaller images the less detailed data
that you have from your block like the lower the bit the lower the data if
you're scaling infinitely you you could have huge transactions
of pentabytes of data in those blocks.
I see.
Well, each PQ would be separate,
so there'd be a maximum size for each single one.
But because each PQ has its own number,
you could basically stack them in any order that you like,
and therefore you could scale the world out infinitely,
but it would be made up of separate blocks, essentially,
that are referenced by which specific number it was.
So you can sort of stack the P-cubes any way you like,
and each P-cube is its own definitive form.
So I'm picturing,uring yeah very much like minecraft where each little cube or something
that you add is of a certain resolution and the default of that here would be 100 by 100 by 100
or 10 by 10 by 10. i think starting out small is maybe better but ultimately it won't give you much
clarity 10 by 10 by 10. You know 100 by 100 by 100 you could do quite elaborate images with that but
it's what a thousand times more information to store and it would take a thousand times longer to do it as well.
So 10 by 10 by 10 would be good for grandma,
a hundred by a hundred by a hundred will be good for a programmer.
So I'm thinking the smaller one is best to stop. I'm not really sure.
It would look very blocky.
But if that could be uploaded by people from their different blockchain through the data layer,
then it could be opened within the Rush browser or equivalent.
And because the forms can't be changed, they're fixed forever.
PQ1 will always be the same.
If ever you want to have an audio conversation with a group of friends in the future,
you want to have an audio conversation with a group of friends in the future you could always
meet at pq1 because the number one is basically being promoted here so if ever i don't know in 10
years from now let's say i don't know our twitters are gone and ergan myself our contacts were lost
i could by default go to pq1 which is a definitive form and find a way to sign an nft
with a name for example that will link me through pq1 which is a meeting place essentially in the
brush browser to a live audio conversation so i think p cubes can also be a memory palace
of places to meet people i think it it's a new phone book as well.
So I'm really excited about this idea.
Yeah, you can use it for two-factor authentication as well.
Oh, yeah.
How would that work?
Decentralized two-factor authentication.
The way you just said, you use the meeting space as a CAPTCHA
for two- two factor authentication.
So like you,
gotta like input a,
certain,
what the heck is it?
security question or something like that.
And then it'll take you there.
And then,
yeah, you get what i'm
saying yeah for sure so the capture is like the meeting place and the p cube is the like the
location that you're uh yeah and then yeah basically and then you have uh them go through
there and then that's like they're a two-factor sign off because they can only get to
that location having the key basically so then they get their two-factor yeah that would be a
fascinating i would love it if say in the future you could call a meeting and be like okay everyone
i'd like to talk about bitcoin 2 centralization let's say i'll meet you at pq1
like see you there with your username or your name let's say so yeah it would be like a 2fa
it's like this proves that erg is the real erg and this is his voice because he signed that location
maybe i could change the location ah so that perhaps that could get rid of
location ah so that perhaps that could get rid of bots because if i say okay today we'll meet a pq1
location 47 62 45 a bot could technically do it but it'd have to deduce where the location was and
type it into the software so it's more likely a human could do it so it could yeah it could
that 2fa idea is really cool i appreciate that awesome insight
yeah because especially like if somebody's a freaking uh bot or whatever you know to get a
bot to a xyz coordinate is substantially hard even for a human to ascertain an XYZ, let alone an XYZ is pretty easy, but XYZ to manually input that, you're talking about you have to use higher dimensional level thinking.
No bot can automatically read chats and ascertain that.
A human has to be manually loading them in there.
So they would most likely be alt accounts rather than bots.
I think that that would completely almost entirely just destroy bots.
Wow.
There you go.
Elon Musk, I think he's a fake bot fighter,
but Elon Musk should listen to this.
Elon Musk should listen, Lurkey.
Elon Musk and Chia should listen to this
idea. This could replace bots.
Programmable cubes.
Oh, that's beautiful.
Dude, this is like a really...
Dude, this is like a absolutely
like breakthrough
idea that you're having here,
dude, you should really bring this up in the
telegram that I'm in.
Thanks so much, man.
I'm going to put you in there.
Yeah, they'll be more than enthused
to hear about that.
Somebody will definitely start developing that type of thing especially
like with what you were just thinking about too with the way to uh completely stop bots and like
verify the people and whatnot beautiful man i love it thanks so much for the words of encouragement
much for the words of encouragement.
Yeah, man, that's...
I'm high as a kite, so I'm trying to make sure I note
it down as well, so if I go quiet
for a second, it's because I'm sort of making
sure I've written it down.
I always think
I'll never forget something. Like, how could I
possibly, and then
over the next 24 hours,
two things will happen that start to...
It's surprising what you forget
so unless i write it down i don't trust myself but yeah that it's beautiful uh thanks for the
feedback yeah so it's anti-bot it's 2fa it's a new shared reality it's a meeting place
it's a meeting place and it's projectable
in theory it could be projected let's's say, programmable cube one.
Okay, we can chat in the browser, rush browser, programmable cube one, sign in with your name,
boom, WebRTC conversation, or a new spoken voice network, Satoshi Nakamoto, if you're listening.
Satoshi Nakamoto, this is a message for you.
If you know how to create a spoken voice network that is better than WebRTC, Mr. Nakamoto, this is a message for you. If you know how to create a spoken voice network
that is better than WebRTC, Mr. Nakamoto,
it'd be greatly appreciated.
Yours sincerely, Edward.
So thank you, Lurkey.
Tag that one.
That was a star moment in this space.
The whole space was a star moment,
but take note of that one, Lurkey.
Don't miss it.
But so, okay. So then if you can meet at Programmable Cube 1,
in theory, Programmable Cube 1 could be projected in a town center.
And you could basically be inside it.
So you could have a conversation, I think, through it and also
stand inside it and possibly meet people at it as well. There's quite a weird mixture
of things there. And I'm not sure if they all work together either. I'm just sort of
throwing out the scope of what it possibly could lead to programmable cubes i would love to release this on bitcoin too
i would love to release it on chia but it would feel better that this was on bitcoin too for me
personally because i know the brand is better for bitcoin so therefore more people are likely
to be interested in it simply because it would be on bitcoin too so i have a sort of
selfish reason for getting bitcoin too out as well which is that i can release this if i can get a
builder to do it which wow the first steps are opening up so that's magic so yeah food for thought
uh smoke some more weed
so influencers anti-bot
inside the rush browser spoken voice
what are the attack vectors the elite could go for if this starts to gain traction? They could turn the internet off, they could turn electricity off.
I'm trying to think of like the other side of it as well.
If they ever do that, if they ever turn the internet off or electricity off, then it makes
something like this.
But then again, the physical forms still exist for the P-Cubes.
So they can't be deleted.
That's one thing that I think is pretty strong.
They'll be the same forever.
So yeah.
What does a future spoken voice world look like?
Powered by P-Cubes.
I'm curious of the world's thoughts on that one.
Yeah. Shout out to Rush Browser. the world's thoughts on that one. But yeah.
Shout out to Rush Browser.
Rushbrowser.com.
The aim is to get it open source.
So if we can raise money,
that makes my goal a lot easier.
And it also gives us a shared location to meet,
which is going to be the browser I think yeah I'm still thinking through the other benefits of it there's a couple more I think it could be a new
phone book and I think it could be a new home page as well I think it could be a new phone book. And I think it could be a new homepage as well.
I think it could replace people's homepage.
Like, where should I meet you?
Programmable Cube 87, for example.
Maybe not.
Maybe that's unintuitive.
But I could see it being in place of a website in the future,
in the future, like a physical, virtual, projectable meeting place.
like a physical, virtual, projectable meeting place.
Yeah, people could definitely link domains to the spaces within the cube.
Yeah.
It's like a blockchain.
It's like manually being able to implement your data into the block
and knowing where it's at and shit.
You could expand upon it in that way as well.
Find a way
to be able to connect all these
things.
On Ergo,
we have something called sub-blocks
and it's like mini-blocks within
blocks where you
can kind of do the same thing.
Nice. I like the fact that there's a blockchain feel to it i'm having my own idea on the back there but the fact that blockchain links to it
but it's visually blocked i think the combination will will it'll just fit inside people's head very simply. No explanation needed kind of thing.
Oh, damn.
My phone is on freaking
It must be getting late there.
It's early here, so...
Yeah, it's not too bad here.
It's still before 10 p.m.
Oh, that's good.
And so, yeah, I thought about colors a little bit as well.
And the colors...
I think the colors can be controlled by AI.
And this would be a situation where public AI systems could be linked to the blockchain that are open source that do the coloring for you.
So you'd have each cube would have be coordinates only.
So the default would basically be on or off.
So you could create a table, let's say, as a programmable cube.
It's a cute little table.
And it's basically just black or nothing.
It could be white, I suppose.
There'll be a default color when the cube is switched on,
and there'll be space when it's not switched on at all.
But the color layer, I think, can easily
be taken care of by AI styles.
So you could have programmable cubes that, when projected,
would change color depending
on the ai system which as long as it's open source can basically be uploaded to the blockchain
i would i don't know that's a thought is how big would a mini ai program be that did a color wash
automatically on a in a visual format i'm trying to picture it because blockchains are not
good at storing too much information so would storing the ai on the system work
i need to think that through more i know the names dao
uh no yeah it's a names our team they ABBA blockchain. They put AI in the blockchain itself.
And I think that's really cool.
An AI system that powers a visual format,
but how big would it be?
I'm not sure.
I'm throwing that one out there.
I need to find that as well.
Find size of AI on chain.
That could create color schemes basically
okay a little task so yeah that's awesome man thanks so much for the uh heads up I've written down Kushni
Joe Semi, Bruno and PC
Freak 30.
Yeah, those guys
should be able to help you out with that.
Also, dude, you should
mention that idea to
Drac, because he's probably would be able to help you out with something along that nature.
There we go.
I see he's come in programmable queues.
This is my vision.
If Bitcoin 2 can launch, and even if it doesn't launch, if it's on Chia, if Chia renames itself itself bitcoin 2 it would work there as well but a 3d format
that's 100 by 100 by 100 or 10 by 10 by 10 but will be stored on the data layer and would
basically act as stackable cubes that create definitive forms that are replicable forever
so even in 100 years you could catch the same form exactly
because it's it would be two megabytes or 10 megabytes a dot p cube format is what i visualize
but it would be multi-chain it would be like cardano chia could all upload it and once it's
uploaded on the data layer you would have to mirror it or just keep it backed up yourself,
which if you want it online, you know, you should.
And this would also be a 2FA use.
So you could sign and prove who you were in a conversation with it.
But it would also be a meeting place as well as an anti-bot filter.
So it appears, and that's, Erg just said this, like, recently.
I hadn't thought of this before, but it could very much act as the anti-bot mechanism
because you would have to sign a specific location live.
So let's say now I was like, okay, Drek, I'll see you at PQube 2, location 574281.
You would then have to type that into the software which is quite easy because it's just six numbers or whatever then you would sign that location and then i would
kind of know it's the human view that was then in that conversation that i meet on the other side of
that signing moment and uh eric said that it's very hard for bots to do that that for a bot to
hear a human voice and then type coordinates on a computer it basically
would act like an anti-bot filter to a large degree so it could remove bots to
a large extent so it would be like meeting at a place that remove the chance of bots getting there where you could trigger a live audio conversation in a visual environment that can be both on a computer screen, but the crazy part, or as a projected reality from a hologram in the future.
So I've just thrown a lot out there, but that's my profile picture is the kind of the core concept i've been teasing
for months uh subconsciously and that's the programmable cube format you could also use it
for like a dating app or something too could you explain how that might work please sounds cool
just like wherever you like meet up or whatnot you can have like profiles on there and then
uh what were you saying like just with um the anti-bot mechanism and stuff people are
like basically able to know that it's like a live human or whatnot and then they have like
a chat that they can go talk through and then uh project each other like
holograms and shit like that right yeah so say i see what you're saying so let's say that there
was a girl in the room here which you know in a cheer space is fairly rare but if i was like hey
you know go on a date with someone, say Dot and this
girl go on a date, but how do we know the real people?
You could sign in through the programmable cube.
So just to let you know, if you want to chat with that girl in a safe place, programmable
cube 70, coordinates 100 to 17, then if both of those people that are in the space signed it at that location
it could put them into a direct voice conversation straight away i see what you're saying there yeah
that that could definitely work uh i also gotta hop out here because my phone's at one percent
and it's gonna uh die soon. Thanks so much, man.
Thanks for chatting for so long.
It was good chatting with you.
Yeah, good night and speak soon.
All right, good night.
I'll probably, if it's open for 24 hours when I wake up,
I'll probably stop back in for a bit.
That's good.
I'm going to try my best.
And, yeah, thanks for the follow-up.
I'll be in the Telegram group, like AS all right see you man have a nice rest of your night
will do thank you all right see ya lovely guy I'm gonna just have another
of water and then I'll be back in about a minute I was just thinking how am I
gonna do the 24 hours And I think I'm just
going to keep going, see how I do. And then I guess if big guests come in, that always brings
people. If they don't, I'll just keep rambling and then I'll just keep the recording going. So at the
very least it's recording the whole time, but I've got at least another four hours in me. I think
that that'll be easy after the eight hours running total, that's when it will get hard, but I've got at least another four hours in me. I think that that'll be easy. After the eight hours running total,
that's when it will get hard,
but I've definitely got a few more hours in me.
So I'll probably go over some controversial topics,
thoughts on Chia, Gene Hoffman, who I like,
but I've got a few questions for him
and love to debate him.
And Wes Kuzmal at the same time would be nice,
but for now, that's just an idea be nice, but that's, for now,
that's just an idea.
But I'll be back in a minute.
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I love it. I would like to talk about how I picture the future in a world powered by programmable
cubes. So, So this is the future I picture.
There are some ifs and buts.
The main if is if the totalitarian elite win, it makes this future a lot harder.
win it makes this future a lot harder but if the totalitarian elite do not win
and the world is powered by programmable cubes linked to bitcoin too
then this is what i think the future will look like
is simply by uploading a set of coordinates to the internet
Simply by uploading a set of coordinates to the internet, to the internet too in fact,
those sets of coordinates create 3D replicable 3D environments that will never change.
And in 100 years will be exactly the same as today because they're definitive forms.
The actual programmable cube format would be a definitive form.
That is also a shared memory palace for the world.
So if with definitive coordinates stored online on data layer,
and even if they were stored on IPFS,
the coordinates are the same because you can't
fake coordinates if one mini subcube is different it's not the same form so they're they're fixed
human coordinates that will create a memory palace in the software once you've got a memory palace
Every other application could power itself through this definitive shared form.
every other application could power itself through this definitive shared form
For example, let's say that you wanted to release an NFT collection
and you wanted to do a live press screening announcement,
let's say an announcement of the event.
It would be logical to find the application powered by this NFT company and navigate to
programmable cube number one, specifically the location 111. So because programmable cubes
would have a fixed default 111 location, programmable cube one location one one one would be the default meeting
place for everything so any app in the future any game in the future if it wants to connect
with you could meet you quote unquote in that programmable cube location and you could switch
between apps by this click of a mouse wheel. So I think that the future of computers
is standing at arcade machines
with live voice conversations
in 3D projected environments
in an arcade machine in front of you.
Why?
This is of key importance,
but it's definitely gonna happen, is humans sitting down on a computer chair is not healthy.
And also it's not a long term thing.
It's far more likely long term, especially with a new and open Internet that isn't controlled.
It's far more likely that someone will stand on a computer in the future because it takes care of exercise
i think a lot of people that don't realize that standing for most of the day is equivalent of
doing like two 10k runs more or less it you'll do more calories by standing than you will running
for sure because you're doing it all the time so future computers are almost certain to be standing
to a large degree and so if they're standing computers that means they'll probably look like
arcade machines because it's so much cooler to have a standing arcade machine in your house than
a pc which is a sort of ugly box so standing at a computer i think it will definitely happen as we
go into the healthy standing, healthy food eating era.
Because right now humans are unhealthier than ever.
So what happens after humans are unhealthier than ever?
They'll all get more and more unhealthy or they'll become a lot healthier.
And a lot healthier equals standing more.
So if most people work at a computer, it makes sense to stand at one.
So I think computers in the future will be standing based and if they can show a programmable cube format that's
definitive then i think people will meet their friends in the programmable cube where they have
voice conversations basically through an arcade machine standing there.
And I think that will be the future of networking and socializing, is to meet people in shared
virtual environments in a way that's decentralized, that's peer to peer.
And so programmable cubes will be the default meeting place for lots of things is my vision because it's the numbers are
easy oh where should I meet my friend programmable cube one location one one one that's definitive
form and so programmable cubes if you can have a location that's an audio room and a meeting place
you've got the workings of a new visual memory palace audio conversation system
that i think could change the world i think the big thing in all of decentralization so far
is web rtc the real-time communication tool that was called rtc at first and now is called WebRTC, which is what
this Twitter space is powered by. People speaking directly to other people and hearing their voice
live is very powerful, disruptive technology. And I think it's more powerful than even Bitcoin,
actually, strangely. Bitcoin cuts the banks out, so it makes other people rich. That's good.
But how do you gauge what their real opinion is? How do you know what Peter McCormack's real
opinion is? How do you know what Gene Hoffman's real opinion is? How do you know what Bram Cohen's
real opinion is? How do you know what Edward Gareth Finch's real opinion is?
In the text form, it's almost impossible to know. And in the spoken form, it's almost impossible to be wrong about unless you're deceived. There are good liars, but you can almost always tell
someone's intention from their voice. Someone's voice is like a key to unlocking everything about them really and how they look
that's part of it too but the voice is probably the most important thing
like that's what really is the difference so with a real-time voice medium suddenly
peer-to-peer if that is linked into the rush browser with a memory palace
linked to human readable names wow
world war three will stand no chance because bitcoin 2 and programmable cubes have just
remapped the entire world arguably fixed the bot problem it's anti-bot so it seems and also it fixes
the 2fa problem not that that may even be a problem in a sense but proving who you are
can be done with it and it's a shared 3d environment and all the benefits that go with it
so there's an exclusive for you lurkey i've never talked about programmable cubes in a space before
lurkey so that's programmable cues hopefully on chia hopefully on bitcoin too hopefully on all
the chains and that's uh my beautiful profile picture and here is Roy mentioned before about the telegram group.
Good to see you, Roy.
Hey, good morning, everybody.
Hey, Roy, good to see you.
Yeah, I just woke up late.
It's too cold here.
Oh, no.
How cold is it?
It's like fog everywhere.
Visibility is literally, you cannot drive good.
Oh, wow.
That's freezing.
I'm glad you slept in, in the warm.
I wish it was.
Yeah.
That's too late.
Get out there.
Yeah.
I know you did the right thing.
Good timing though.
You came up a good time, man.
What are you talking?
Yeah.
Well, we've had some interesting chat.
The carbon credits came up earlier.
Who is Mr. Stephen came up and said that he agrees that the carbon climate change thing needs to be discussed a lot more.
And that was good.
And then Stephen Black came up, who's one of my friends.
Hello.
Yeah, and they talked about climate change for a bit,
and then we're chatting about... Hello.
Hello.
Can you hear me?
Test, test.
Can you hear me?
I think my voice is coming through.
Oh, he's reconnecting.
I'll wait for him to come up before I tell him the summary again.
WebRTC is a bit...
Actually, WebRTC, not so much, but on Twitter, it's being a bit sketchy.
So perhaps the Twitter's starting to fiddle with the connections.
Another reason that audio campfires should be live.
If Wes Kuzmal had not
tried to steal... Yeah, I can hear you now.
Oh, that's good. Yeah, we're chatting a bit
of climate change. We're talking
about different types of scam.
Erg was talking about...
He knows a lot about the scams and stuff.
And he was saying in the Telegram group
that I think you're in. He said you were in it.
Yeah. Yeah, that's's cool that sounds like a really cool chat i am in it but i haven't read the messages since i joined so i'm in it but not properly so it sounds like i need to uh get back
in there yeah man climate change they played with us for like four years with ESG and whatnot, and they dumped it then. Man, I was in Texas, and I could see them spraying everywhere, like every day. I can see the lights in the sky, and nobody was looking in the sky. I'm like, bro, you guys don't look in the sky at all. And nobody was bothered.
That's why, like, they get away, do everything.
I call my friends who live in, like, buildings, like in Hitchton,
Tex, those places.
They were like, we don't see in the sky.
It happens.
We don't care.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So I found, like, it's happening right in front of everybody,
and nobody cares
yeah you're talking about chemtrails i guess yeah yeah yeah i agree with you that they're a real thing they're spraying metal in the sky yeah they are so one farmer was showing
his like gmo crops are growing good, but his like natural crops, the crops with natural seeds are not growing in the same field.
Right, so they're just killing the plants directly.
Yeah, yeah. It's like, man. And the houses that they are building
now the houses
will not have gardens
like they are
passing the rules
behind their walls
they don't want
you to grow vegetables
all the new houses
yeah
it's
crazy to think about it because it seems so off the scale that surely they wouldn't
do that like poisoning people's plans of people are not that evil but it's like that no they
actually are doing it though like it's happening yeah it is like there are so many proofs. Like if you watch the planes, how they are flying, man, it's so visible proof. But my friend who's like, who's smart? But he keeps me asking, why do it's condensation or vaporization or blah, blah, blah, hey, I'm not an expert, but I can see the plane. When it goes, it sprays the chemical halfway, then it switches off.
Then it switches on after 10 seconds, does it for 20 seconds, switches off for 10 seconds.
I'm like, it doesn't happen like that.
You know?
I don't have to be a scientist to figure out what's it's not like regular
but he's like a smart dude
he goes into
he reads law and
fights with lawyers in cold
you know just for fun
I thought he would be smart
but he's like no no no
then he's showing me a government website
like these are not creme trails
then I told him go get boosted, bro.
Man, it's crazy.
Yeah.
They're blatantly doing it.
I think that when people realize, they'll see it.
It's like hypnosis. People
are hypnotized, so there's no way
they'd poison the sky.
They cannot just, yeah.
They just cannot
comprehend this thing. Like, they will not be
poisoning us. Oh my god.
You guys are smoking cigarettes.
It shows
a level of real niceness.
I think that's the sickness of it,
is the people that are genuinely nice could never imagine doing it.
So therefore they think other people would not do it.
So the evil people are basically using the fact that most,
let's say a lot of people are really nice,
and using that as a way to attack them
so that they wouldn't even question it's possible.
It is sick, evil genius.
Yeah, true.
And they were like, even if they care,
even if they care, nobody will like talk and whatever, you know?
Yeah. And there's your climate change right there is the chemical being sprayed in the sky that's far worse for the human
yeah that's metal and so they have to be stopped from doing it and i think that i think a bitcoin
2 launch would stop them from doing it i think it there's
no way that if bitcoin 2 went viral that the elite could fight against it because bitcoin one is
already everywhere it's like in everyone's head yeah i don't know. What a crazy time in history this is. I would never have guessed my 40s would be far more exciting than my 20s.
What an honor.
I don't think I could have dealt with this in my 20s.
I wouldn't have been ready to accept it's possible, but...
Oh, well, here we are decentralization
ladies and gentlemen yeah but i'm i'm glad that you're here there was quite a few things i wanted
to chat with you about i'm curious of lots of different things but yeah how are you in general Roy are you good did you sleep well
it seems like he's gone quiet I don't know if he's glitched out again hopefully
it will work but yeah programmable cubes a memory palace, definitive locations. Where should you launch your new album from?
Programmable Cube 1, location 111.
Why? Because it's the only easy to find location there.
And so, yeah, let me do a quick summary of some of today's chat.
First thing I wrote on my piece of paper, one is combined CPU.
This is Satoshi's words.
Get work.
BitDNS connects to network.
And these are my words.
Bitcoin 2, DNS, Team Satoshi, Plot Format 2, Chia is Bitcoin 2, Bitcoin 2 should be Bitcoin 2, DNS 2.
DNS 1 is leading people to the slaughter, DNS 2 is decentralized.
We're going from the Internet 1 to Internet 2 era.
Internet 2 would be an uncensorable name system.
Mining 1 to Mining 2.
Mining 2.
Mining 2 will be the second mining mechanism in human history.
One gigabyte plot file.
One mojo.
Who wins the block to own that name forever?
Bitcoin 2 versus World War 3.
Giant number 2.
Nothing like this has happened before.
This would be the biggest launch ever.
Horse racing with Edward.
Voice actor, AI model, a voice trap.
That's a quote, Drac.
Tap tools, deck screener on Cardano and H&S.
From Erg, it's a direct portal.
That was Erg saying that about the Rush Browser data layer idea.
He said VC scam Solana.
Programmable cubes could be used for, no, sorry, it was NFTs could be used for an in real life chat to John Cena or a PGP chat to John Cena. So the power of nfts for uh connecting people uh well a new 3d standard
powered by programmable cubes blockchain agnostic lives on data layer you're listening to the space
summary p cube format 10 by 10 by 10 or 100 by 100 by 100 a A modular coding system, that's, quote, ERG.
And he recommended that I should chat in the Telegram
to some developers he knows.
Kushti, he mentioned,
Joe Semi, Bruno, and PC Freak 30,
which I'll be following that up.
A huge-ass computer within a computer,
ERG described programmable cubes as.
It's a 2FA, a meeting place.
It's a capture.
It's a PQ, it's a location.
To get a bot to an XYZ coordinate is very hard, Erg said.
So the programmable cubes could fight against bots.
Needs to verify it.
Needs to be seen, though, to be 100% sure.
Breakthrough idea, Erg said.
Wow, that's great.
Pitch it in there.
Erg says, someone will definitely build it.
That's awesome.
Find size of AI.
Oh, that's my task to do.
Find AI size of something that powers color codes on chain
to turn these programmable cubes into
colored coordinates as well and dating app possibilities using programmable cubes
because you could meet someone at the location and have a chat with them and be sure it's them
because you only agreed the meeting place one minute before let say. And in the same way that it's anti-bot, this would stop a predator or an imposter sort
of chatting to the girl, so to speak, if it's powered through programmable cubes and spoken
voice networks like WebRTC, like this one.
So this would be powered through a piece of software rather than Twitter.
It's a software rather than Twitter.
And it's also a memory palace.
And it's also a memory palace.
That is a full summary of one, two, three, four, five, six pages of notes so far.
And if you like what you're hearing, rushbrowser.com forward slash donate.
The goal is to raise $1,300 more.
Yeah, I can't claim credit for any $300 that were raised so far.
That was just sort of a bit lucky.
But yeah, if anyone wants to come up, as I say, it's open mic.
Actually, it doesn't say that in the title, does it?
I should probably have written that.
But let me edit it.
Open mic is always a good draw
we're talking conspiracies
is JIA a scam?
I don't think it is
someone said earlier it was
it's giving both sides
their argument was it was a vc scam linked to peter teal
but there's not much evidence can i shorten the name
it's a bit too big uh there we go
it doesn't look as good now.
Or does it?
I'll leave it like that for a bit.
I can change it back.
Yeah, the link was A16Z.
I think that was what set him off.
He was saying A16Z was a key thing
because they're often doing
funding scams is what he said.
Yeah, I am pretty worried about the pre-farm.
It's being sold directly
to people. That's,
I don't know, it's not
really what they said at the start, so
it's a bit of a red flag, but
not a definitive
double thumbs down though.
What else could I talk about?
Maybe I can mention Cassius.
Yeah, I was hinting earlier that Cassius is a really key influencer in the world now.
The Andrew Tate people
were basically courting him recently
and they offered him a job
as well as money, I guess, to set a deal up.
And basically the deal didn't happen,
but that's
what was going on.
So I think
they said they could get him an interview with
Tucker Carlson,
Andrew Tate, or Nick Fuentes
he could set something up for them.
As in get a certain guess that he knows
maybe, but
it doesn't...
It's quite revealing in a lot of ways.
I mentioned that earlier.
I thought it was worth returning to.
Because the goal is to get Cassius to be the face of the Rush browser.
And one of the faces of the Rush browser, I should say.
Because it would be other people too.
But he would be a really good candidate
because he's active on social media
and he understands the curve of it.
And because other people follow him,
if you want to get to Andrew Tate,
not that you would necessarily,
but basically Cassius is the connector.
He's the node on the network. Cassius is the connector. He's the node on the network.
Cassius Morris is valuable.
And so really, he should be paid because he's the media, essentially.
And that is, I think that's one thing big missing in Chia is people don't want to pay for media in Chia.
That is a problem because the media is inherently expensive.
Getting an ad in a newspaper or getting something on TV is crazily expensive.
So getting exposure for any product marketing is almost the hardest thing to do in any business.
Getting marketing is basically it's hard to do. Good luck figuring out Google ads.
That's like a nightmare mind prison that's designed to be incredibly expensive. But if you
want to get your word out about a product to market it, people in Chia generally aren't willing to pay for it. So being able to sort of reach people in the media
is a very expensive thing to do generally.
So there's a bit of a disconnect that they think
that if there's an influencer, they should do it for free.
But really, it shouldn't be like that.
You should pay influencers, developers should,
or projects should, because they are the gatekeeper
to everyone else. And influencers, more than a celebrity, it's someone who literally influences
people. They're key lighthouses too. So yeah, I was with Cassius yesterday. He filmed something
for his channel, which I don't know if it could be out. Let me check. He said he wanted to
release it soon, but it might be a bit too soon, but he filmed an event with me yesterday,
which was pretty fun. I'm just seeing if it's out yet.
It probably won't be.
I know it's not out yet.
He didn't release a video yet, but he's going to get it out soon.
But yeah, he's looking for work.
He's looking for earning money from his position.
earning money from his position.
So if we can make him the face of the browser
and help him to earn income,
that will be good for everyone.
He will earn money.
People will learn about Rush Browser
and Handshake through Cassius.
And then the Andrew Tates of this world
will learn about Handshake through Cassius.
That's how it will work.
It's like a seven steps of Kevin Bacon,
but like two steps.
That's basically how it is.
Wonky influencer.
And then you reach all the other influencers through them.
So that it's all set up and ready to go.
And I fully support rush browser making that happen.
And thanks for Raul for doing it,
because without him it wouldn't have been possible.
I see Roy is back up on the stage.
Welcome back, Roy.
Hopefully Twitter's not kicking you out.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Like, everybody looks like a shot on money right now.
Whoever wants to do something is running short on money.
Like I've been talking to my developer guy to do my stuff.
He's busy with his regular job.
So he also needs like he can work for me, but then he will have to quit his other job to work for me.
Then again, he needs money for this
looks like we are stuck at that phase where we don't have funding
yeah i don't know i'm i'm thinking of more ways to raise funds and seems like there are ways because
people are willing to invest in some technology which they think which we think like conspiracies lots of
people are thinking now these are not conspiracies i don't know might be i will try going out and
like funding find funding but still i don't have an exact blueprint even for a blueprint
like exactly how things will work developers need funding
oh my it's so i'm so stuck so bad just cannot tell you like first three months i'm stuck
i just cannot move
yeah i know what you mean it's like being stuck in the sand isn't it
it's like you try to move forward but you can only wriggle without
income and uh you know this is people pretty much trying to work on it full time to try and make it
happen but like there's just so little money like you said and that because developers and other
people are struggling financially and also not earning as much because of ai like that's really bad for developers suddenly developers
don't have money and so yeah everyone's struggling and so now money is going to be more of a problem
and it's going to be even tougher so yeah i don't know what it means i had not factored in developers
like losing their income to AI so quickly.
But it sounds like lots of people are suffering.
So, you know, you can't blame it.
Yeah, people are suffering,
but at the same time,
they're using AI to develop cool stuff too.
So it's not all like only bad.
If you will, you can use to develop new things too so i met one of my friend he's like he he he can do this stuff but i don't know why he's not doing
he does not have work either you know but he he keeps telling me like what is use of this blah
blah blah blah blah i keep telling you you're not doing anything with your time like why cannot you just do this.
He's still he's just not willing to do so here like AI is helping him but he's not helping himself. bad but yeah the surveillance stuff that will be bad but right now coding developers can like
get lots of help and do cool stuff yeah yeah i'm just i don't know i'm trying to think whether
I don't know. I'm trying to think whether there must be some,
it might be a question of using the influencer networks to reach people with money.
It could be that there's money out there that's willing to be invested in decentralized tech.
Because like relatively small amounts would make a difference at this level.
So it's possible that there's people with money that
could invest it, they just need
to hear about it. And
using the influencers to reach them might be possible.
Yeah.
Even if you bring like-minded
people, even if one person
or two person can work,
we cannot code. But if
some like-minded person can code a little bit
that will make a huge difference yeah yeah for sure
it's uh like what track is doing track is doing his stuff you know if we have like someone
track is also like kind of I feel he's doing kind of
same stuff, he's in the same line
but yeah
if we can get somebody
it will
then we can get this thing rolling
you know
yeah someone
I think someone will step in
I'm hoping, there's too many people
will risk losing everything and
sooner or later people will realize the revolution is being fought here on the ground
and that if they just basically just help they don't even need to really take a risk for
themselves it's other people's name is taking the risk uh they can basically hide in the background
they just have to help do the code and then we can sort of fight on the front foot forward.
But for now, it's like we're under attack.
We're batting.
In a cricket analogy, it's like we're facing the heavy bowling,
and we just have to stay in now,
and we can't even score a run, really.
Well, we can, but it's the odd single.
Like, we've just got to defend the wicket.
That feels like that right now.
We're going to build an innings of 100,
but we've got to just play it slowly.
Yeah, I wonder if some of the...
I wonder if there's some people in Hollywood
that are doing comedy that might fund something
or put some money out, But people are just so, I don't know.
It's like people that are running a lot in the past, if prices are going up,
they might be less likely to invest. But then again,
if they see the peril of the world and that there's a solution being built,
then this could be the place it happens. So I don't know.
I feel like everyone's incentivized for it to happen.
It's just, maybe it's just time.
More people need to be pinched with money before they sort of start asking questions.
It does feel like people are asking a lot more questions recently, I think.
Yeah, now they are asking questions which gives us hope, you know.
Everybody, everybody, people are asking so many questions.
I never thought they would ask.
They're just not in one place, you know, just not in the USA, even like in India, I'm seeing like people asking lots of questions.
And I've seen this like within like two, three, four years. That's how it all like snow rolled.
You know how it makes a giant roll.
It started with something slowly, slowly we are here.
Yeah, I'm seeing things, but I want things to like happen soon.
Sooner.
Yeah, I know the feeling.
It's been like four years in Trier.
Yeah.
I'm like, today, I'm going to see quite some work, you know.
I didn't want it to, but I'm like, just going to talk to somebody,
see what he's doing.
If I can, it's my time to make some money to carry on, which I never thought I would do again.
But see, here I am.
Yeah, I know that feeling.
If Chia had performed better, I wouldn't have to work now.
But there you go, that's what it is
I think
yeah hopefully
I see that thing happening in 2026
Chia thing will happen in 2026
that my guess is
I don't know what's happening in there with SEC and all those.
Yeah, I know.
I think that the SEC is...
I think the SEC situation, it's just going to go slower and slower.
I don't see it going any other way.
I hope I'm wrong, but I said a couple of years ago,
as soon as they get to the SEC phase,
that's when the shenanigans will begin.
And I'm on recorded record saying that as well.
And so, yeah, I feel it's all trickery.
They're just trying to drag people along to make people think it'll IPO, so it doesn't.
And then when World War III starts, they can indefinitely cancel it.
And it'll be official, so to speak.
So I hope I'm wrong.
But that's the pessimist in me.
Now you're not.
Now, I feel like we are already in World War III.
Like, no currency war.
Yeah.
I think it's already happening, you know.
And I see some trickery and whatnot going on.
Like, it's been like a year.
It should have been already approved and everything else.
I think they are waiting just for great war to settle down to
launch this thing and reclaim we have the gold i see something like that
but something something is going on i just cannot deny it's not going on it's just impossible
yeah it seems too much and i in fact i need to double check but i said earlier that i
think that the pre-farm being sold is being used to pay for salaries of people at cni and so
basically the farmers are paying for the salaries and then everyone else is basically going broke
or at least not being as comfortable as they should be
because Chia just keeps going down in price
and yet they're selling more and more
to basically fund their salaries.
It's just not, it's a weird balance.
Man, that should have solved it in the beginning,
you know, to keep funds for like that much time.
Right now now it's
not a time to sell like your food every day i just don't feel like no they will how much
sand did they pay i don't know how much they pay i hope they're doing like good use with the money
but i don't know it just does not look right to me. Like the process is going for so long and everything.
There's nothing happening.
At the same time, others are getting high fuel and what's not happening.
It's just, I don't know, some weird kind of trickery is going on.
Yeah, definitely.
They're being slowed down.
That's for sure.
My question is, is the SEC slowing them down sneakily?
Yeah.
Or is...
Hell yes.
Hell yes.
Or are they sort of working with them to slow it down
which is even more horrifying in a sense
like a cave abes
I think everybody wants to get IPO
but I think SEC
is intentionally slowing them down
because everybody
wants to get out of this
low price situation
but definitely SEC is going down
there is no way
there is no way this big hatch was going for a year
and companies and
those people don't know about it
BlackRock talks about
tokenization and what not
he when he talks
if you listen to his talk
he indirectly clearly mentions
about, like,
about the technologies
which is his chia,
you know?
That's how I know he knows.
Yeah,
it's like riding the wave
of a revolution up
and it's, the momentum is picking up, but it's, you've wave of a revolution up and it's the momentum is picking up but it's
you've got to get like everyone lined up on the beach and it's it's not easy but i think the elite
are trying to break everyone financially and that's clearly a goal and this technology is a
new financial system bitcoin too is a new financial system so Bitcoin too is a new financial system.
So it should really act like one.
And currently it doesn't act like one at all.
It acts like a shriveling up walnut, basically.
And yeah, something ain't right.
But it's not quite clear what.
But as soon as Silicon Valley is is involved you have to start asking questions
and you know why aren't they talking about the chemtrails and the carbon stuff but they're
actually for the carbon credits they're pro carbon credits that is such a
it's just not a good thing it's just for the chia brand it's just not a good thing. It's just, for the Chia brand, it's just not good.
But it's not a good look either.
Like, why aren't people speaking,
why aren't they promoting Chia by saying that it's against
the climate change narrative if it isn't true?
And it doesn't look like it is true, right?
It just looks like it's a completely made-up,
like, 40-year thing, as you said before.
I don't know
yeah i don't know about this how much great it's gonna play out
i don't keep thinking like how it's gonna play out who's gonna decide how much credit this Hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er að hún er a He can fly in jets, but then he can pay to buy a bike. He's doing good.
Like he's busy with his job and you know, not getting much time to chat with him, but
yeah, he's doing good.
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, somebody in Handshake is also building a browser, HNS broker.
Yeah, there was...
Underground browser was shared.
Was that what you were referring to?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Underground.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Underground browser.
We had a browser in the beginning too.
They've got nine out of the ten votes on the thing. Which browser do you think should be the default
Bitcoin 2 browser, Rush browser or Underground browser? 9 votes to 1 to Underground browser.
Whichever works best.
Sorry, you're a little bit quiet there, Roy. I couldn't hear you exactly.
whichever works best
Whichever works best.
that's better
yeah I haven't tried underground browser
the rush browser is great but
I couldn't install the
can you hear me
yeah loud and clear
yeah I can hear you
can you hear me
hopefully he's not being glitched again.
Yeah, the underground browser. I said I'd talk about it for a bit. It's currently in
alpha pre-release underground browser V 0.1.0. This is all happening organically. It only came into my view in the last day or two.
And it describes itself as a Chromium-based browser with native Handshake DNS support.
Features native Handshake HNS name resolution, built-in HNSD-like client.
I don't know what that is.
Browse Hand handshake sites with local
TLSA slash Dane.
Based on Chromium plus
Beacon browser.
I want to double check what Chromium
Chromium is
I think the base browser
based on which all the Google and all
these things are made.
And light client is for resolution. I think the base browser based on which all the Google and all these things are made.
And LiteClient is for resolution.
Like you need to find out where this name should resolve to.
So Handshake is designed search to make like LiteClient be very like,
it won't consume much memory.
That's why it's called LiteClient.
So whenever you query blockchain,
you can just query the LiteClient.
It will give you the same answers.
Nice, yeah.
I was wondering if it was a Google Chrome thing, so to speak. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
If there are bugs hidden in the Chrome... are bugs is also based on like no no chrome is also based on chromium you know even that is yeah
not like completely 100 original work it is also based on chromium I see. So I don't know if the Wikipedia is trustworthy, but it says developers, the Chromium
projects controlled by Google first released 2008, 17 years ago, around the time Bitcoin
came up. A bit before, or was it a bit after? When was Bitcoin launched?
The same year?
Yeah, 2008.
Same year then.
Crobian was out the same year as Bitcoin 1.
Oh no, 2009 it launched.
9th of January.
So just almost the same year.
Yeah, so go back to the page here.
So it says, underground browser based on Chromium Plus Beacon browser.
I don't know what that is.
Do a search.
Beacon is the browser which results handshake names.
I'm sorry.
I missed that.
Beacon is also a browser which results handshake names.
Thank you very much.
Nice.
I see here.
Beacon web browser. I see. Yeah.acon Web Browser.
I see, yeah, Dane, got you.
It was first launched in 2021 and is available. It works with EMS, Handshake.
Yeah, nice.
Yeah, nice.
I think Rush Browser is the most fresh one of the two.
It's got the most...
It feels like the original, basically.
Anything that's Chromium-based is going to feel like it's just still on Google Chrome,
which is that psychologically you're with the enemy in a sense,
even if it's not controlled by them.
But Rush Browser is, I think it's from the ground up, as I see.
That's something I'd like to ask Raul.
I know he doesn't want to talk in the space,
but I was hoping I could send a message,
but I don't think he replied today.
So maybe he's not around, but I don't think he replied today.
So maybe he's not around, but... I think I'll have to double check.
I think there are two kinds of browsers,
Electrum and Chromium,
like the base version.
I'm not really sure about it.
Yeah, Electrum and Chromium.
If we can ask AI.
Well, that's what the Bitcoin 1 wallet was.
I think Electrum.
So if Bitcoin 1 was powered by Electrum,
Google Chrome is powered by Chromium,
then on first glance it suggests the Electrum one is more suitable for blockchain.
But if you just think like within 15, 15, 17 years, like just 15 years, the world has
like changed so much.
Yeah.
Just 15.
Like upside down.
My mom never used like a phone.
She used to write letters.
Now he, she scrolls.
It's like so much
within 15 years feels like
100 years
yeah there's a lot can be
gleaned from it
15 years and
the choices are coming down to like
there's not a lot of choices out there
an electron based browser a revolution runs through,
doesn't seem that crazy to me.
Prato's law says it's in the running anyway.
And, yeah, if it could link to the programmable cubes,
that would be awesome.
That's the 3D model, programmable cubes that I really want to build.
And if you can get a browser wallet that links to them,
DApps could go onto the face of a visual environment in the future.
And also one that's possibly projectable as well.
I'm sort of riffing here, but whatever browser is the one that people use, it's really important.
So yeah, it's really good to know.
I'll have to ask for, I'll type to him now, otherwise I might forget. I think it's an electron.
I think it has. and I I told you he told me he has done an electrum.
It's not croquet based.
Ah, great.
Yeah, well that would fit then.
Because that's what Bitcoin is first.
Yeah.
Yeah, I started really early today. I wanted to get a few hours in as quickly as possible. Probably the hour less than I wake up yet. Yeah.
Yeah, I started really early today. I wanted to get a few hours in as quickly as possible.
I didn't sleep too well either.
Like a month ago, I could wake up at 6.
But now it's too hard to wake up at 6.
Right.
Is that just because of the weather?
Yeah.
Too cold to get out of bed.
Yeah.
I know that feeling.
It's been many years since I experienced it,
but I remember it all too well in England.
Being cozy underneath the blankets,
not wanting to get up,
running to the cold shower,
or having a shower and it being cold after.
Oh, horrible.
Yeah.
And my house is not, like,
overheated everywhere, you know?
you just don't want to get out.
Like, the house is heated everywhere.
It just matters.
It's horrible.
But, yeah.
I don't know why I don't.
I've got a good lead on the development for the cubes though.
That's cool.
And do you think Nathan is available for any work at all
or is he just blank it?
Is he just completely busy now?
I mean, he can help with texts.
He will not be available when he's working.
He will always reply on text
if he asks for any question and whatnot.
I'm sorry, I missed that. Could you say that
again?
Like,
during normal working hours,
I don't think he will be available,
but he is always
available on chat.
Okay, got you. you oh that's good
I was just worried that he was
I guess
stopped doing it or something but
no no no
that's cool oh that's all good then
I don't think there's too much work involved
to get it out you know
I think we could take a step forward
without much development
help I really see a path forward.
But it comes down to really how difficult it is to, yeah.
It will go there, you know.
It will just take time.
Right now it has slowed down.
Slowly. Slowly.
We will get there.
Yeah, I think that
if there's a way of getting names to people
without them putting too much effort in, I think it's possible to sell the names.
So it's a question of how,
I know that the full infrastructure is not live,
but that's what I need to figure out.
I totally see people need a DID naming system, you know?
Totally, totally.
Where their DID is
resolved into a string, or
a string resolves to a DID.
Yeah, the
names down name,
I dropped that earlier. I said that the names down on handshake can be used to
basically like reinvigorate some of the names on chia
uh i don't know how you could link link to it through the Handshake protocol, that's what I'm not sure about.
Like any two digital assets can be linked using like encryption, like public key and private key, some signature using that.
I don't know exactly how to do it, but that's how it could be done.
That's how whole Chia thinks they usually issuing the acdc and whatnot what
if you know so this could be done i just don't know how to do it yeah that's a good thought
that's uh so we've got handshake names little names now name then link it to the names now nfts or did system yeah there's something
there shout out kenny good to see you man so that's a good thing yeah i do you have any idea
how to put the subdomains out on uh on handshake like what level of effort it is
Jake, like what level of effort it is to create a subdomain?
Until the same like domains, it's just one more level up.
So what's going to happen is like DNSSEC, it's a chain of trust of signatures.
Like somebody signs, somebody signs, somebody signs.
Then you get a key out of that chain.
So in that chain, there will be one more signature, which will issue
the subdomains. So
yeah, it could be done.
Well, what sort of work is it? Like if we wanted to sell the
apple.names.down name on Handshake,
what would we have to do the apple.namestowname on handshake,
what would we have to do to make that happen?
Like we have to issue the registry,
like build the registry where people can like get that.
Just when you're explaining about the,
ah, you bet it cut out for a second.
I mean, we will have to provide them a registry,
an interface where they can do this thing.
At least give them a domain,
and on top of it, like, subdomain will come later.
But yes, subdomain can be issued too.
Well, that's what I'm asking
specifically is how do you sell a subdomain
if you owe the names
down name on HNS?
How do you actually
sell a subdomain?
Then he will have to
build his own registry.
there is unstoppable domains they sell
some kind of enos names so earlier they sell sold domains like something.e then if you have like
some domain you're gonna put some domain either you build your own whole thing or they provide an architecture on which you can sell this
subdomains so both ways either the registry from the names down registry which will sell the
domains they provide architecture or the owner of the domain he can build his own thing to issue
subdomains right but how much effort does it take to sell one of the subdomains.
Right.
But how much effort does it take to sell one of the subdomains?
Like selling?
I don't know.
But issuing will be the same.
Issuing procedure will be the same
how we are issuing the domains.
I see.
I got to go.
We'll continue.
I got to go.
No worries.
Chatting a bit.
Cheers, Roy.
Yeah.
I'll go back in an hour or so
okay i'll keep it rolling i'm gonna have to cook some food in a bit i'm starting to get lightheaded
i've been going what six seven eight nine ten five hours 45 minutes rushbrowser.com
goal is to get to 24 hours i'm'm going to keep the space running. That's for sure.
Whether I'll be talking for all of it is a different matter.
But this is about saying we need to raise money.
Money is a problem.
It's a bottleneck.
We've got to raise it.
And rushbrowser.com is a worthy project.
And there's lots of other projects out there that are worthy too.
So I'm trying to host a space to encourage some donations to the lovely Raul at Rush Browser.
And yeah, I need to figure out how to sell handshake names as subdomains.
I really need to know that quite soon.
If it can be done, it's possible we could bring money in.
But without knowing how easy it is to create the actual
subdomain and get it to someone then it's hard to do a financial transaction for it so yeah
i should do a search on chat gpt i guess and then there was one
GPT, I guess. And then there was one. I think that's the first time that people have gone
and it's just been myself for the whole thing, which is kind of not too bad, actually. Five How long would it take to sell a subdomain on handshake.
Not clear, how do you do it? So it says own this it might be possible to do it on name base on Antshake.
It says it can be permanently sold as a subdomain sales on namebase? Thank you. If your TLD is not staged, it's possible to bring some money in possibly. Okay, now question time is, do I stop the space and tag Lurkey and start a new space,
or do I try and make one space 24 hours long?
Because I think you can't tag Lurkey in after a certain length, so let me think about it
for a few moments.
Ten minutes to the hour. Thank you. Gracias. Thank you. Okay, I think I'm going to stop this space and start a new one so I can tag Lurkey in
this one because I'm running out of things to say and I'm going to keep the space running
for 24 hours, but I don't think I'll be talking for the full 24 hours.
I got five hours of chat in, but there's a limit to how much time people can speak and stuff so i don't want to ride the wave of saying it's a chia space so fairly small community but there you go
but getting the word out there so i'll be back with another space very shortly
let me just close this one down thanks for coming for the first part, we're, what, 8, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
almost six hours in, so almost a quarter.
That's good.
The next space we'll see.
So chat soon.
I could end with more energy.
Woo!
See you soon.
Love.
Bye-bye.
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