3D MUTANTS Launch & Exec Director & Garga on Coffee w/ Captain #866

eenie, mighty, moe, soda on the mix, no biting lips, it's time to go, lookin' at the ghost in studio, it's time even though it's hard to pick any money mo soda on the mix no biting lips it's time to go looking at the ghost's studio it's time to go had a helmet on by myself until i

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met a mask that wanted to have a face off had to bring my chainsaw full ticket gas and a bribe

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my brakes off i'm a one but a different kind of steak sauce welcome to coffee with captain

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and risky. So grab your coffee and join Cap and Steve for today's conversation.

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Welcome to the future.

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Welcome to Coffee with Captain GM, GM.

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Drop us a GM in the chat down below.

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We ask every day, but we really would love it today if you help us out.

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We've got not one, not two, maybe three, maybe four special guests joining us.

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Maybe five, actually.

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No kidding.

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It is a day.

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It was like an M&M type morning pre-show, Steve. had to mute the mic and and get amped up for this one gonna be a big show and would appreciate all the help with warming up the algo again the space as pinned up top as well

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as the video stream on x if not that'll be up there in a second and we've got the chat fired

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up over on abstract um the best gmrs gms over in all three spots. But hit us up at least one of those and,

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and give this spaces link up top some special love.

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They would greatly appreciate it.

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As always,

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I'm Cap,

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Jim,

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I'm a co-host Steve,

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never any financial advice on the show.

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Crypto is risky and a tease risky.

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Meme coins are exceptionally risky and go to zero to moments.

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Please don't even put any money in.

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You can't afford to lose and know that Steve and I likely hold tokens.

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We talk about from time to time here on the show,

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including several tokens throughout the board,

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Epyat Club ecosystem,

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which we'll, we'll be talking about likely before the nine o'clock hour, time here on the show, including several tokens throughout the Bordy Piat Club ecosystem,

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which we'll be talking about likely before the nine o'clock hour, but most certainly from that nine to 10 o'clock slot. Some breaking news today, Steve. We got some big announcements.

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I got a glimpse yesterday. I was sworn to secrecy, so wink, wink. Steve has no idea what I was told,

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but excited to share it all with you here in about an hour.

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But now that's out of the way, Steve, I have a confession.

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We got this intro, thanks to Payne, this fancy video intro now.

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Warms things up, which is great. It is certainly an enhancement.

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Actually, I mentioned yesterday, we're getting more compliments on the production quality,

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probably since we went live with video than we have in the show's entirety all that being said that like i don't know i'm

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gonna time it tomorrow or well not tomorrow i'll time it monday the amount of time from when the

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video intro ends when it says you know welcome to the future till the screen pops up it might

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be the longest seven seconds of my entire life. Like, it seems like it's about

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seven minutes of wait for me to, uh, for me to jump in. You? Oh, you gotta be kidding me.

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Uh, no, that's me. That's on me. That's on me. That's on me. Oh my God. Cap this morning. He

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just gave the gotta be kidding me. We've been having some tech issues lately. I was just

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exasperated. Yeah. Yeah. Exasperated. Use exasperated use it correctly uh me being on you

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just exacerbated the frustration that you had this morning and you are exasperated but i didn't think

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we're gonna get to go back to that bit that quickly but here we are day one day later uh

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steve teaches cap english almost matched hoodies this morning by the way i consciously wore the

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hoodie you wore yesterday for two days in a row so that we wouldn't match today.

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So funny.

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Because I love that one.

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That hoodie, though, I will tell you, there is a 100% chance I spill coffee on that hoodie every time I wear it.

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So I have a second one, which is completely clean.

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But I have one that is slowly becoming.

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The nice part about it is what's in.

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I spilled shit on this this morning.

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It must have just been water.

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It was like when I was brushing my teeth.

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I'm like, fuck.

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Thank goodness it's like below the fold.

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Like, oh, I'm good.

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Like, no one can see that I'm a mess down here.

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But it was just water.

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I was going to flex my coffee stains too.

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But no coffee, just water this morning.

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No, that shit's in now, man.

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My brother, who is like a fashionable Brooklyn, New York guy,

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he like, him and I were doing something.

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He's like, check out this hoodie.

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He got it at a thrift shop.

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It is a St. John's hoodie that is just plastered in, like, paint and crap

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and whatever that he got at a thrift shop that's just dirty.

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And he's like, yeah, you know, this is the style.

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I'm like, wonderful.

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Because I spill shit myself all the time, so it's perfect for me.

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GM to all the chatters out there give us a like

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and a retweet like cap said special day this morning gonna have a lot of special guests

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including mr garga himself the co-founder and ceo of the board api club gm to the chat already

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bumped this morning teacher katie riz brian uh be epic mesh mesh uh green edge mesh mesh actually

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ditching modern market with serpent over there there, we love Serpent to come here

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on time this morning, we love that

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because we know he's like us, a Modern Market enjoyer

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Von Fronten across multiple chats

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Thomas, Boris

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we got RDL in the YouTube chat

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we got Von Fronten in multiple chats

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we got Hizzy in multiple chats, we got RDL

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again, multiple chats, multiple

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places X in YouTube

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Esh, Bordo Saka, loving the laughs this morning.

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Von Fronten, like you said, rocking the same hoodie.

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Over in the X chat, again, like, retweet, comment, bookmark the room,

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because you don't check your bookmark anyway.

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Go through those.

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Vicky, Dobbins, Odeka, Captain Deadpants with that BitBoy in the morning.

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Tino, always good to see you out there.

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Riz, Brian, Beanie, McFly, Hizzy across multiple chats.

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Mel does not mess around in the chat.

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She's got thoughts this morning.

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Dwayne with some cool edits.

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OC, I'm loving every one in a million, all of our good friends out there.

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Tebow, bright and early for him.

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Dort, General Wags, pooching.

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All the friends, Screenwriter Dave Kapow.

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Sorry if I missed anybody.

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Alpha Minor, by the way, appreciate you out there as well, always.

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But Cap, yeah.

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I'm so glad you were muted because I almost let off the most insane,

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explicitly tirade here on this, maybe ever on the show.

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You say explicit instead of expletive?

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I like this. We're doing this again this morning, huh? Yep. tirade here on this maybe ever on the show like i would say explicit instead of expletive i like

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this we're doing this again this morning huh yep uh i almost i almost like slammed the macbook

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shot that's that's that was this close just to slamming the thing shut and starting it over but

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thank goodness it was a it was a user error but in all seriousness we we see i see mentioned we had

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once again some technical challenges and and it's keeping us on our toes. It's keeping us young and spry.

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And maybe that's why we will keep streaming videos, Steve, just so it keeps us in tune with the youngins.

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Yeah, I was going to actually say to you, I was like, when we were having this conversation, I was going to say to you, like, what amount of money out of the coffee with Captain Treasury do we need to spend?

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Because here's the problems we have right now.

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I have no idea to do

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what you do there is no redundancy if it's so i did get a sorry to cut you off i actually

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i gotta go to my dms because i had a few people actually reach out and give us advice on the

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audio video stuff greatly appreciated i'm apologies i'm slipping names and not giving

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proper credit but we should connect on this because i think there's a couple of things that

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could like the they explain like a power amp you don't even need a full roadcaster but like a

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power amp or preamp they said could fix the the audio where you it's pulling up the same

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audio whether you're looking at your mic or not interesting because like i um i uh yeah for me

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like i just need to figure out like how to get the same setup as you because i realized with

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no redundancy like again the problem is like i don't necessarily need the roadcaster it was easy when

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we were just audio only and the steves was all the equipment we needed but uh we've moved into

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a new world now but even the worlds where you're like hey like we should do a uh we should do a

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space together like we should or like you're traveling do you traveling. Do you mind doing the, you know, setting up the space today?

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Whatever.

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Like, I should have redundancy.

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By the way, Teacher Katie, appreciate the tip over there.

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Boris, appreciate the tip over on Abstract.

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We love the people on Abstract, Chain With A Finger.

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Rare Ed coming in hot.

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It is a hot morning, Cap.

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We have a lot to discuss, too, so we'll get into it in a second here.

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But, yeah, man, I feel like I needed, and also I was stalling because I have about 16 Chrome windows

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with 47 million tabs open.

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And I was trying to find my Coffee with Captain Daily tab

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with my what to talk about today.

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The more you know all that good stuff.

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But I actually sacrificed all my tabs.

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I think I had 87 open this morning.

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I was like, pretty important show.

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Should probably just clear out the cache

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and make sure that we don't have any of those tech issues uh as we stream so yeah i i sacrifice every open chrome

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tab i had this morning you accidentally click on a youtube tab that like has rebooted and it starts

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playing like jacko willink in it while garga's talking my apologies in advance for um uh i'm

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sure there was probably 17 open dms that i'm now not going to reply to so you'll just have to ping

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me again but that that's how i stay like follow up with something I'm supposed to.

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Although I'm pretty,

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I was,

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as I was doing this,

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I,

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I went on tilt as I realized yesterday was the first day I missed my ethos

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streak in a while.

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I don't know what,

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how the hell I missed it.

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I usually do it before the show,

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but yeah,

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I broke my ethos streak.

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So pretty bummed about that.

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You got to keep that going and you got to start vouching,

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man.

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I know you got to do the vouch. It takes two seconds. and like i'm telling you i just gotta move i just need to move a little bit of ether right it's literally

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on that it's one of those things on the list i just i keep adding to the top of my list steve

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i need to add to the bottom of it so i get to the uh the vouching yeah i also say uh i gotta i got

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a bone to pick with our guy jack gk sent in him my Ethos invite. He has not yet logged in.

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It's like three days in the making.

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It's probably bad on my Ethos profile.

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But burned an invite.

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So I'm going to give him a hard time to get back on there.

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But yeah, no, it's funny.

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As far as DMs go, I realized I missed a DM from our guy Pio like midweek.

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So I responded to that finally this morning.

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I got a lot of work to do.

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Pio and I were chatting.

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I don't know how much more old man you can get than chatting cholesterol in the DMs.

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Like that's Pio and I's conversation is chatting cholesterol and egg intake.

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That's our DM conversation right now.

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Yeah, him and Clemente got me.

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Look, we'll jump into it just because I know we got a busy day.

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But him and Clemente got me inspired. I basically told Clemente,

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please stop. Don't stop posting health stuff because we talk about it in the morning. You're

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a healthier person than me. I am trying to be better about it and find the proper balance,

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but like seeing them post about it. Did I tell, did I have a shared, yeah, I'm back on my full,

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I know we've talked about it in the past, but it's a while ago. I'm back on my full,

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your butter coffee. Butter coffee. Did we talk about it's a while ago. I'm back on my full...

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Your butter coffee.

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Butter coffee. Did we talk about that?

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Yeah, I'm deep into it.

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But this is the hardest I've ever went.

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I'm doing full-blown...

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I upped all the ingredients.

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It's like organic ginger, organic turmeric.

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It's the real deal.

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It's fully loaded butter coffee.

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With the butter, the MC2 oil,

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I do honey, cinnamon honey cinnamon ginger and turmeric

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is the uh the special ingredients yeah for sure i uh i see the chat they're asking about ethos

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invites look if i get multiple ethos invites i have no problem sharing the love i got one i i

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hit jack up with it so i'm just gonna make sure you know i hadn't heard from a while okay man you

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want to jump on here so uh when i get more uh i have a few people who are asking about it i'm

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hoping i get a handful i'm gonna keep trying to i've got one steve we don't do this often but since we do have a few

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special guests today let's do a let's give away ethos but let's do it for the the cheesy like

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retweet leave a comment can we do that i know it's rare that we ask that but i've got an ethos

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invite if anyone wants it drop the best comment in the chat will get it but you also have to like

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and repost the space.

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Yeah.

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And mess, it is invite only.

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So yeah, if you're on the space specifically, so we love having multiple people.

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We want you to go over to abstract.

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We want you to be out on YouTube, all the good places.

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Like retweet, comment on the space and find someone who gives a good comment to give an ethos invite.

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Let me just make sure I still have it.

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They didn't take it away after I broke my streak yesterday.

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Yes.

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I still have the invite.

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So I'm good.

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Bordo Saka health hacker as well says, well says uh cap you got a little black pepper to

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pepper to activate a black what black pepper to activate the turmeric yes i also put a little

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black pepper in there all right well cap we got a busy day we got a daily market update to get to

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at some point we got a more you know to get to at some point. We got a more, you know, to get to at some point. Let's dive right into it.

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It is 815.

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We got to get this thing going.

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We got other people coming on, multiple people potentially coming on today.

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It's a big day across the board.

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Guard coming on to announce Redacted.

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I don't even know, like, multiple announcements.

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I genuinely don't even think I shared the second announcement with you.

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I pretended not to announcement with you. I,

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yeah,

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I pretended not to share the first,

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but yeah,

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excited to hear everything that's going there,

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but let's,

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let's start off.

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Okay.

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We got,

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I really,

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I have three main buckets on my categories today of things I want to

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discuss.

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I'm curious what's on your list.

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So,

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and by the way,

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a lot of times,

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you know,

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Cap and I,

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people talk about show,

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show up with our lists because that way you get our organic raw reactions.

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And sometimes those aren't great.

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But we don't want to plan things out because we want to be real.

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So I have the Taproot Wizards Distro today.

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I want to give your take on that.

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Doodles DreamNet launching yesterday.

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Wrapping my head around that.

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Something cool whether you participate or not.

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I think they did something cool there.

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Safe Foundation is looking to buy 23andMe

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and potentially put data on-chain privatized

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to save everybody's data, and

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it's a concept that would move things drastically

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forward, I think. I want to start Taproot

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Wizards, because I want to get your take on

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this, because I know we've talked a little bit about Taproot Wizards.

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We had Udi on the show last week.

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We've had a flurry,

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a cavalcade of sorts of guests

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lately that are very, very good.

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Udi was on the show last week,

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talked about Taproot Wizards yesterday.

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You guessed at a .369 settling price.

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I guessed .33.

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Pretty close.

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Price is right.

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We went over.

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We hit the bump, bump, ba-dum,

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because it was .31.

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So that probably sounded...

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Yeah.

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Pretty close, though. Pretty close. Pretty close though.

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Pretty close on your prices right? Impersonation and pretty close on your .3

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guess.

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I do that

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sometimes when people are in a common person.

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Not even kidding, Steve. We need to find out

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like, okay, so

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I'm going to completely derail

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your list. One,

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we're not going to talk about it, but we have another

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Sponsored by ThankApe.

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We've got 5,000 Ape going to be going to the winners.

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It'll be a day-long virtual conference for builders on Ape Chain, and it'll culminate in a Shark Tank-esque startup competition where it's not only the

0:51:30 - 0:51:34

5,000 Ape we're going to be able to give away. We've got a lot of community prizes throughout

0:51:34 - 0:51:39

the day, both for participants and audience. Just really excited. Passion project we've been

0:51:39 - 0:51:45

talking about for truly years. It was an idea the first, it was an idea I submitted

0:51:45 - 0:51:47

for the original ApeCoin,

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or excuse me,

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the original Bored Ape Yacht Club grants

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that two of the three that were selected

0:51:53 - 0:51:54

was the,

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one was Josh Ongs

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that ultimately led to the first ApeFest

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and the other was Jenkins the Valet.

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So very worthy recipients

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and I did not move forward forward talked to a few others in

0:52:06 - 0:52:12

the community and excited to uh to finally uh get to get to host this with the community and uh

0:52:12 - 0:52:15

you know three four years in the making long time coming but really looking forward to it we'll talk

0:52:15 - 0:52:21

more as we get closer to that but if you wanted to participate there is an application linked in

0:52:21 - 0:52:25

that announcement in the second uh the second comment. An application to participate.

0:52:25 - 0:52:27

I will continue to promote that as we keep going,

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but that was an exciting one because, again,

0:52:29 - 0:52:31

it was funny because I know Joey Vowles in the Worm was like,

0:52:31 - 0:52:33

congrats on landing that.

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And I looked at,

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I kind of was like,

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it's not congrats on landing that.

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You're getting picked. I think he said getting picked to host or something.

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I'm like, no, no, no. Cap has been working on this

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since the pre-Coffee with Captain days.

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And we've been getting quite a bit of a...

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We've definitely been getting our fair share of discussions around that.

0:52:53 - 0:52:55

Did a lot of work on it in the past year.

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Definitely had some meetings with Lara about that and kind of got that going.

0:53:00 - 0:53:02

So to me, that was a...

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I don't know.

0:53:03 - 0:53:06

That was an exciting one to see

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get over the goal line when you told me it was happening and that thing you know uh is helping

0:53:10 - 0:53:15

you know even do a startup competition there like exciting things for us so anyway for my money uh

0:53:15 - 0:53:22

very excited for uh for that one so appreciate that and appreciate you uh cap for continuing to

0:53:22 - 0:53:26

bang the drum on that and i'm excited to be part of it. And like you said, we'll talk more about it coming in the coming days, but

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a big announcement day. So

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announcing ApeCon,

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there you go, in a few weeks, going to be an awesome

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discussion around ApeChain.

0:53:35 - 0:53:36

Cameron Cates

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taking over,

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essentially being the leader

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of the ship, the head honcho over at

0:53:41 - 0:53:43

ApeChain. Huge deal, huge

0:53:43 - 0:53:45

big deal for ApeChain right there, I think, going from Chief Business Officer to you, get a role in A Ape Chain. Huge deal, huge big deal for Ape Chain right there.

0:53:45 - 0:53:46

I think going from chief business officer

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to you get a role in Ape Chain.

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And apparently redacted announcement I'm not aware of

0:53:50 - 0:53:51

that's going to be talked about today on the show.

0:53:52 - 0:53:54

So a lot coming on in the next five minutes.

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With that five minutes to go, Cap,

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the other thing to throw out there,

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I'm curious your take on this.

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This is sort of some bigger market discussion talk here.

0:54:02 - 0:54:05

I am, you know, I look at the...

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Can you riff for like 90 seconds

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so that I can listen to you

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as I go take a personal stream drop

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before our guests?

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Mobile stream drop.

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Go ahead and do your mobile stream drop.

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You got this.

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You did my live read for me this morning

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so you can do mobile stream drop all day long.

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So if people miss this,

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23andMe is essentially going under.

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And I never did 23andMe

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because I always thought,

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I don't know,

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volunteering my data to sort of rando,

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you know, rando place seems like it could go sideways

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pretty, pretty quickly.

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So I didn't want to volunteer my data there.

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A lot of people did.

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And I understand that.

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A lot of people went for it and they're like,

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hey, like we're tossing our data in here

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because we want to know about our historical information.

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What people don't know about places like 23andMe or sort of these different companies is they

0:54:48 - 0:54:54

take your DNA and they sell your DNA to others as they go, right?

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So it's like they basically take your DNA, you pay them to have this, and they give you

0:54:58 - 0:55:01

information about your history or maybe some of them give you information about your allergies

0:55:01 - 0:55:02

and they sell it on the back end.

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It is a not great use case for personal data.

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Well, you know, we always talk about blockchain potentially solves this.

0:55:09 - 0:55:10

You take a privatized blockchain.

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In fact, we had Navigate on here last week,

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and Navigate told you about, you opt into this thing,

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you volunteer your data, your Amazon history, etc.

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We sell it, we give you a kickback.

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It's sort of the equivalent, like I always make this equivalent.

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People ask me, like, how do stablecoins have yields

0:55:25 - 0:55:27

and your bank sucks? The answer is

0:55:27 - 0:55:29

your stablecoin basically does the same thing your

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bank does, but they share some of those profits

0:55:31 - 0:55:33

with you and what they do on the back end of it.

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Very similarly, that's what

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Navigate is doing. They are taking your data

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on the back end. If they sell it,

0:55:39 - 0:55:41

they give you a portion of it. You profit off your own

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data. Well, the SAFE Foundation has talked

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about doing just that. And who knows, a lot of people are calling it a fancy marketing campaign

0:55:49 - 0:55:54

i don't know man uh maybe but the safe foundation is effectively saying they're going to take a run

0:55:54 - 0:55:59

at buying 23andme they're going to buy it they're going to put it on privatized blockchains and

0:55:59 - 0:56:06

they're going to give you the ability to actually buy sell and own your own data in that way, where you're able to own

0:56:06 - 0:56:09

it and they're able to kind of do the thing where we talk about this with medical records. Like,

0:56:10 - 0:56:14

again, imagine your medical records were on the back end and a company is interested in a

0:56:14 - 0:56:19

41-year-old male who's a little bit doughy, talking about myself, who's got, you know,

0:56:19 - 0:56:23

two kids, whatever. It's like, what is your health data? I want to do a study on that.

0:56:23 - 0:56:25

I click, I opt in. They pay me for that data

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that they study. They do whatever

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they want with it. That sort of thing

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is interesting to me, and the safe foundation thing

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is interesting. I'm also going to do a mobile

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stream drop, by the way, before we get to it.

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Before you leave, because I...

0:56:37 - 0:56:39

Good take. I agree with you. I was

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not laughing at you. I'm laughing at...

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We've got a... One of the AI

0:56:43 - 0:56:46

bots in the chat replied to

0:56:46 - 0:56:52

this announcement uh and says ape coins next phase question mark sounds like a plot twist in a

0:56:52 - 0:56:57

mediocre sitcom cameron better bring the drama let's see if he can turn those bananas into gold

0:56:57 - 0:57:02

like the ai agents are getting pretty annoying in the comments but that one may be that one did

0:57:02 - 0:57:06

make me chuckle if you're if you're gonna fuck around in the comments at least be a little bit creative that's what i like but um i'll be

0:57:06 - 0:57:10

right back before we get our special guest cap but get your take on the same thing dude or anything

0:57:10 - 0:57:14

else as we keep our special guest to bring him in here just a little bit yeah well as i don't know

0:57:14 - 0:57:19

if people remember and i don't think i heard you mention the genomes dow this was one of

0:57:19 - 0:57:32

even predates this show so back in must have been 2021, interviewed a couple of neuroscientists who had started GenomesDAO, and they had basically a 23andMe competitor, but yet on-chain, to where you own the data.

0:57:32 - 0:57:47

And yeah, I think SayNetwork, it makes, like hearing them talk and go through that back then, it just makes sense for these records to be on-chain, actual users to benefit and share in those rewards and

0:57:47 - 0:57:53

the incentives. And this, I mean, they basically, I may actually go back and listen to that interview

0:57:53 - 0:58:01

because they almost foreshadowed this coming the end of 23andMe back in 2021. It's just like,

0:58:01 - 0:58:07

it was a very, did not make sense as a, like a for-profit publicly

0:58:07 - 0:58:12

held company makes a lot more sense in a decentralized environment where the users

0:58:12 - 0:58:16

own that data and can, can monetize it. So I'm excited to see where this goes.

0:58:17 - 0:58:21

Herculean effort. I'm going to guess like, I don't, it's also even, well, I think it makes

0:58:21 - 0:58:30

more sense in a decentralized world, hard to like, I still don't understand how they can make the model profitable to sustain.

0:58:30 - 0:58:32

Because people aren't getting multiple of these tests.

0:58:32 - 0:58:33

It's like a one and done thing.

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And many of the people who have already done the test.

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So it's like, I think it's a, they're going to have to beat them up on price.

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Like my concern is they empty their treasury on something like this and they're without a real

0:58:46 - 0:58:52

plan to turn it into a profitable venture and ends up just going away. They end up just burning

0:58:52 - 0:58:56

treasury funds because they have the treasury funds. They overpay for something that private

0:58:56 - 0:59:09

VCs or family offices or someone wouldn't touch because I don't see any future for 23 and me or a competitor to buy them and do

0:59:09 - 0:59:11

attempt to do a better job at what they were doing.

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Does that make sense?

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Oh yeah,

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no,

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I totally agree.

0:59:13 - 0:59:14

I think,

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I think that's a,

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I think that's a fair take and it's hard to do.

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It's going to like just the same way I said,

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and by the way,

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we're going to pivot their special guests here in a second.

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Um,

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just the same way that I said,

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like, look, like if you're doing a token drop, you going to pivot their special guests here in a second. Just the same way that I said, look,

0:59:25 - 0:59:27

if you're doing a token drop,

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you need to make sure you have a plan for it. If you

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acquire something like 23andMe, are you going to use

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connective devices to give

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more rich data that people are going to care about?

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Are you going to have people commit to

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doing a monthly blood draw

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that they get paid for, that people

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are interested in as they opt into studies?

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Are you going to give them more specific things?

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Like, those are the things that I think are important

0:59:48 - 0:59:50

to make sure that they're really thinking about.

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So I think just the same way, it's like, I mean, again, we talked about it.

0:59:54 - 0:59:55

ApeCoin, people are like, oh, ApeCoin cooked.

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Was it like all speculative?

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It's like, no, they gave utility of buying merch and, you know,

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and things off the site sort of, you know, apparel.

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And there was the, and there was the throw blankets

1:00:05 - 1:00:06

and then they had the other side sale.

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Similarly, if you do something like this,

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you need a plan.

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So I think that's what's going to be interesting

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to see if it does happen.

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I do think it was mostly a little marketing ploy

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because they were showing what the blockchain can do,

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but I would love to see it actually happen.

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So we'll see, Cap.

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But I'll let you pivot into a special guest

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because we've hit the nine o'clock hour

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and it is a fun Friday here on Coffee here on copy with it is a fun friday we've got multiple special

1:00:29 - 1:00:34

guests we're just gonna bring up on stage here in a minute uh we've already kind of teased the

1:00:34 - 1:00:39

announcement coming out of the ape foundation uh that is pinned up top uh we will be talking with

1:00:39 - 1:00:44

with cameron and and garga here in a minute we also have this the the surprise announcement that

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i don't think ste Steve's aware of.

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I think we're going to start there. So Rita, I'm not, I see,

1:00:49 - 1:00:50

we've got Rita on stage. We've got,

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we've got Cam and Garga on our audio spaces behind the scenes.

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We've got all three. I'm not sure if Rita is going to come on video,

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but we do have him on stage. We're at least going to get a hear from him.

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And for some of our more, you know,

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those that are deeper in the ecosystem,

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they might be able to start connecting these dots.

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Steve, I'm curious if you're aware of, now that you know we have Rita involved in this announcement, do you have any guesses what we might be talking about this morning?

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I mean, does it have to do with something to do with the other side being persistent come June and Rita's involved because he does 3D modeling and plays around with it?

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Or is it possibly... That would be

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initial guess. The

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other guess would be Rita's going to announce how to properly

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pronounce his name on Spaces. I think that's a big one

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because nobody gets it right.

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So maybe one of those two.

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I could keep going because I could actually pull a cavalcade

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of guesses out, but I'm just going to not do it. I'm going to

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let you just get right to it. Well, my favorite

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thing, if you're new here, I'm known

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for mispronouncing words, which Steve will then correct me literally everything and my favorite word to mispronounce

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is rita and rita's name i said both because the favorite thing i heard at uh nft paris was

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we were arguing we were debating there was multiple people in this community debating

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is it pronounced rita is it pronounced rita And I don't remember who told us, but they said directly from Rita or Rida is that whatever someone asks him, he responds with

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the other one. So he's tugging at my heartstrings with the mispronunciation being the correct

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pronunciation just to troll everyone in the community. So Rita or Rida, GM sir, welcome.

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Welcome. Always a pleasure. Appreciate you joining us this morning.

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Always a pleasure. Appreciate you joining us this morning.

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I got it. I got it.

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I do not have the audio, so that is fine.

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Can we get a quick mic check from Garga?

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Hey, hey. Can you hear me?

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We got Greg. So, Rita, maybe...

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I always just unplug it and plug it back in.

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Now, the mic does look muted now.

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So we'll try the unmute, and if not, we can get them on spaces.

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Technical difficulties have been the theme lately between X and streaming,

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so it's been really fun.

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I have actually, there was a moment, I'm probably going to share it on the timeline,

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there was a moment where we had the space crash and we had an issue,

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and you could see my soul

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leave my body live on

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Coffee with Captain. I have

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this look back. So I made it Ghibli

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style over in ChatGPT

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so I might share those because it's just like

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me just being like, you see my soul leave my body

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Cap just goes, fuck! And like we

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lost it. So it would be

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a good one. But hopefully we got it back.

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Rita, give it another try. We got nothing. It would be a good one. Hopefully, we got it back. Rita, give it another try.

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We got nothing.

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Let's try Spaces. Hit us on Spaces.

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It's all right. We'll power through

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this thing. We're going to make it work.

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Which is like, by the way, just

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anticipation added to the announcement.

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This is all part

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of the plan. Rita,

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I do see your account on

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the X Spaces on audio so you want to unmute that and

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we'll see if we can hear you you can hear me now we got you a little a little light but you're

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coming through so i just gave him a thumbs up as if he could see me on video so that's that's where

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my head's at on this friday well gm appreciate you powered through the tech challenges with us

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always a pleasure welcome do you want to do you want to give any tips or or hints on the correct

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pronunciation of r or Ryder?

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It's exactly what my guy told you guys. It's whatever you didn't say, it's the other one.

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It's my favorite. It's my favorite name in the entire club. But in all seriousness,

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thanks for joining us. You do so much. You're out there. We've got Dashbo and G's taking over the ApeChain ecosystem.

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We talk about leaders pushing the space forward.

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I'm not saying this just because you're on the space with us.

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You are truly one of the great leaders in the club, in the community.

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I think there's been a lot of excitement.

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I know there's been a lot of excitement and activity around ApeChain.

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And while it is, I feel, organic, it's organic because of leaders yourself and all that you do to, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you have

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the hours in the day, especially when we're talking about when we do share this upcoming

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announcement about one of the things you've been working on. I don't know how you get it all done.

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And just before we get started and dive into that, just want to say thanks, appreciate all

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you do for the community and the ecosystem and great to have you in the club, sir. Yeah, no, thank you.

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On behalf of me, Rita, and my twin brother, Ryda,

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we thank you for having us on here.

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But I think my announcement is,

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I'm not supposed to be making the announcement as well.

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I think it's Garga that's supposed to be making the announcement.

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I really don't know. but another well maybe that maybe maybe

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maybe stream you are new and that's why we wouldn't let uh wouldn't let you share uh so we're

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gonna keep we're gonna keep rita rita on ice and uh garga pleasure gm second i think second time

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we've had you on the show here first time on video uh by the way if you're want to check out the

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video the x video is pinned up top uh feel free to join us there as well as over on

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youtube but gm garga i hope you're having a great week i we can jump right into it if you like i

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know we got a lot of things to talk about this morning but before we do start talking uh the big

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secret announcement uh involving rita uh anything else uh you'd like to talk about this morning

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anything else you wanted to share with those uh those tuning in? No, I'm excited to join you guys, you know, kudos to you guys for doing this so early every day.

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I was like sitting here at my desk, hanging out, listening for a while and getting like

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something directly in my eye. I'm like, well, this is new because I've never at my desk at

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8am bright and early. It's usually, you know, we were all in around 930.

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So anyway,

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it's good to be here.

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And in turn...

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Ooh, might have lost you

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for a second there. This is like,

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this is a fun comedy of

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errors we're having here.

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I can join on my

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phone if you think that's better, if we're still going to have this.

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Try one more time,

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because we got you now, and if it doesn't work this time

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around, we'll just flip it over, we'll do it

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old school space,

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and do it spaces style, the

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AM radio of the world.

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No worries.

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So, as you guys know,

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we released with Rita

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and his team, Inceptive Studios, Dashbow, you know, about a month ago, maybe at this point.

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And it allows for anybody to basically create UGC content with their board ape.

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There's a really killer merch try on bit where where basically everything that we ever made

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can be tried on by your board

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ape. There's some meme templates.

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It's easy to pose. It's easy to

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generate a 3D.

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I lost him again.

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Let's flip it over to the space.

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We jumped it.

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We gave it a try.

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We are, I promise, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Cameron's going to work on here. bit over to the space we uh we we we jumped it we we gave it a try we are i promise i'm gonna go

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out on a limb and say cameron's gonna work on here we're gonna get cameron to work on video

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but we're gonna do is we're gonna go to gargoyle in the space we're gonna get him talking a little

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bit about this going on he was he was teeing up daspo a little bit there which i think everybody

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really loves it's been really cool there's been some great integrations there made by ace product

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it really feels of the community which i love but uh gargle

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let's try you one more time let's get you on space is you there if you can hear us yeah there you go

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check check we got you on spaces

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i know this sucks but i'm happy i'm not the only one with the mic issues here

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we've um we've had an interesting thing today so so gargan's doing a laugh he went to listener

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we're gonna get him back up here um rita while while we're getting garga back up here talk a

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little bit about dashbow and what it is for those people who aren't familiar with it because at least

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for me i am not somebody who

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can do 3D modeling. You know my good friend

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Tebow. Actually the dude was in my wedding. I knew

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him long before Web3. I've known him for 20 plus

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years. Him and you I saw doing 3D modeling

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all day. You got a whole crew and

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then you created a product that we could all

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actually use. Can you give us a little background on Dashbow

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and then we'll go back to Garga?

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From the beginning, NFTs

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you own the jpeg

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um and people have been trying to create content uh from the get-go uh whether it was with gm mugs

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or different 2d stuff that was being done before um but again animation in 2d was very hard to do

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and people to express themselves with their jpegs was hard. Until Yuga, the Board API Club, released their 3D models,

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it was limited to those that can model, animate, and rig

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and animate their models that were creating content on the timeline,

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like Thibaut, like the other goats from the community.

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Then Board API Club launched the 3D models,

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and things got a lot harder.

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A lot more people started joining and animating those apes.

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But it came down to less than 80% or 70% of the holders.

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So we came up with this idea to create a platform

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that democratizes content creation with your 3D models.

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So somebody like you, Steve,

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who doesn't know how to use 3D,

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can create a GM animation or a GM pose

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and post it on his timeline in less than two minutes.

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That was the idea behind it.

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And we've been seeing the timeline increase with 3d content and people creating different cool stuff with their with their apes

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with their ip it it really is uh incredible i i've got it pulled up for those that are tuned

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in video uh you can see i've got a dashboard pulled up with my ape in here now. And just not only is it the ease of use, just as Rita described, my favorite thing when I saw was all the other NBA brands brought into this.

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So you start thinking about that user-generated content, as he mentioned.

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It's not just things that you want to create with your ape

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and have to start from ground zero.

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If you want to put a pair of board shorts on,

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it's a click of a button, right?

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It's just, it is, there is, it's such a,

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we talk about decentralized IP

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and the community working together to build things.

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This has far exceeded my expectations

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from a user-generated content platform. And the, the,

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to think this was like ready at launch, it gets me really excited, uh,

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to think about what might be coming down the road.

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Maybe even something that we get, uh, get a, get a, get a share today with

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everyone.

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Gary, I see, I see we'd got you back on stage. Let's do a quick mic check.

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Hey guys. Can you hear me? We got you.

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Amazing. Uh, yeah, sorry about check. Hey, guys. Can you hear me? Hey, we got you. Amazing.

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Yeah, sorry about that.

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I guess my Wi-Fi is acting up today.

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But that was great to just get the download from Rita on, or Ryda, on Dashbow.

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And so up until now, it's really just been Bored Apes available in Dashbow,

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but as of a little later today,

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we're going to be having all Mutant 3D models from Rita's team.

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These are community-built, Inceptive Studios-created Mutant models,

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but they look great and they're fun.

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They're all going to be up on Dashbow for folks to play with.

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And I know

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mutant holders have been waiting a long

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time for these, so we're super stoked

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to get them into their

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hands and for them to start creating

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with them as well.

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Gargo, let me ask a little bit about that, because I remember

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initially when the Board of Yacht Club

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models dropped, everyone was excited

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and a lot of, of of course everyone just said,

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when mutants, because we can never just be happy with shit we get in Web 3.

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We always got to say what's next.

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And so people were like, when mutants, when mutants.

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From my understanding, there was a strong challenge with that

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because the mutants have such levels of details.

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We got mutants in the chat already going nuts, by the way.

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Was that the reason was it the actual technical challenge of making something that complicated was it just a time and energy challenge because i know people are going to

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be excited about this but uh what was the initial challenge up front that sort of rita undertook to

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make this happen yeah for sure i mean look mutants That was, you know, that was the rallying cry for a reason.

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They're incredibly detailed, you know, ultra maximalist when it comes to the design.

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You know, it was always around trying to push for more detail and more insanity.

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And, you know, when we started Mutants, we weren't necessarily thinking about 3D models at the time.

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thinking about 3D models at the time.

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And so as we started to go through the process

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of creating the 3D models for all of our collections,

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we started with Bored Apes to get the pipeline right.

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We have the added difficulty of,

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we're building on Improbable's M2 tech stack,

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which means we're supporting in other side

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thousands of players in the same

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lobby. Second trip had, you know, 7k people in one lobby with, with no lag or anything like that.

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And what that means when you do that is like, you're kind of, you're less like outputting,

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um, 10,000 different 3d models, um, you know, making them available at any time,

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and then the server's grabbing them.

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What it's actually doing is more like generating them on the fly,

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where it's saying like, cool, here's 172 traits or thereabouts,

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and we're going to, you know, Steve's ape has these traits.

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So I'm going to grab these on the fly and put it together.

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And of course, there's all these different rules and exceptions that go into the process

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and the pipeline for when, oh, no, like, you know, his ape, his hat will clash with this

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other thing.

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So we have a special exception here or there otherwise.

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And so when you think about mutants and the level of texture,

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when it comes to their,

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their,

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their fur,

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the different kind of,

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you know,

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things outcropping from them and all that,

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like it just gets wild and crazy.

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It's part of the fun of the collection,

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but it's,

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you know,

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the reason why we felt like we needed to get our feet

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under us, onboard apes, um, then tackle codas, which were quite complicated, um, and then have

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mutants, um, forthcoming. And so this collection is, you know, mutant holders, first real taste

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at scale of being able to see their apes in 3d and play with them but it is

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you know these aren't the final official yuga models for other side because there's still

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plenty of work that we need to do to to get those quite ready and so we're we're gunning on that

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process but it's a huge milestone and these were were super lovingly made by Rita and his team.

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And, um, you know, we did obviously have some feedback throughout the process and are stoked

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on them.

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So we're excited for folks to, to see them and play with them.

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So I wasn't, I wasn't exactly right.

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Cap, I'll toss it right back to you.

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So I'm going to give myself, I guess it may be, it's something to do with other side.

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Not exactly, but it did have to do with modeling.

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So look, I'm going to give myself seven out of 10 C be something to do with the other side. Not exactly, but it did have to do with modeling.

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So look, I'm going to give myself seven out of 10.

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C's get degrees.

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Cap, I'll hand it back to you. No, it's close.

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I was going to say you were directionally accurate.

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And I'm not even exaggerating.

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I think like we saw the three apes take over the timeline.

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This isn't taking a shot at any apes.

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Mutants, the reality is the mutants just pump out far more

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content from a ugc standpoint than do most the apes uh you know yes there's more there's twice

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as many but i i have a feeling and i know i know tebow now has holds holds an ape or two or three

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but you know it's like i think back to like the content he was putting out when he first got his

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mutant it's like there's so much of that activity.

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And to your point, it's been a request for so long.

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Some of these mutants have wanted to create with their IP.

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I think this is going to be...

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Brace yourselves.

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I think we're going to see a lot of mutants

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on the timeline over the next upcoming weeks.

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Yeah, should be an exciting time for sure.

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Definitely.

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Congrats on that, Rita.

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I'm excited about that.

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Appreciate just the leadership.

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Like, this is sort of what this is about because, you know, again,

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I probably said this quote a gazillion times and people might be sick of

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hearing it, but like one of my favorite quotes from that original interview

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that, you know, Garga and Gordon did where it was like,

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you build a sandbox,

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the members of the club

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build the sandcastles.

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That's what's happening here

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and I like to see it

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and the flexible IP rate model

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is something that I think

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is a really, really fun one

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that we're starting to see.

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It's funny.

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It was flexible IP model

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and everybody copied it

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and then we went to this route

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where there's a lot of brands

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who kind of controlled the IP.

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Now we're seeing a return to a lot more flexible ip we had i know bossu on here last week we see

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what's being happened what's happening with some of the other you know brands in the wild doodles

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they announced yesterday flexible ip rights are definitely a thing that we're seeing more and more

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put into play so uh cap i'm pretty excited about this one and uh i'm excited to see what the mutants

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are able to do because you give them a chance to cook they'll make some five-star meals to that i don't want to put more

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work on on reed's plate i know you've got again i don't know how you find time in the day to get

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everything done that you're working on but for those like you go through that you know dashboard

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and you see the nba designs you see the the ape fest merch designs and i don't know if it's every

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piece of merch is dropped,

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but there's many from the collections over the years.

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If someone, they've got a brand they want to get included into the studio, into Dashbow,

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is there a process for that?

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Should they just, is the answer be patient for now?

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You've got a few other priorities,

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but is there anything that they DM you?

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What does that look like if someone wants

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to get their

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merch or whatever it may be

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into the

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studio?

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We have a form up.

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We tried hiding it a bit

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because we were delivering the mutants

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and all that, but

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it is free of charge for all

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NBA brands to have their products 3D modeled and put onto a dashboard.

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That was part of what our deal was with the ApeCoin now

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and the BoardAPL Club to help all the different MBA brands

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to get on there.

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But you just have to send us an email, images of your products,

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your license number, and we get it put on cue to start modeling it.

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That's awesome.

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And I'm not kidding, Steve.

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I really, truly do believe this is the sort of – I've been saying for years, like there's real synergies that exist when you get hundreds, if not thousands of like-minded individuals coming together, building around a common brand. And then when you have individuals

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and teams like that Rita's leading that help, it's like you've called it like fanning the flames or

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pouring fuel on the fire. Like this takes the community working together to an entirely

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different level. And beyond the content we might start seeing on the timeline,

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I truly do believe it's these sort of relationships that makes the club so special.

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And it's, I don't think you can find it anywhere else in the world.

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And I say that someone who came from, you know, the 20 years in the franchising industry,

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this is really special.

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And it's the collective leadership we see from Garga, from Cam, from, you know,

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not only Yuga and the Bored Ape Yacht Club, not only

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the Ape Foundation, but it's an environment where if you want to participate, if you want

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to support one of these initiatives, reach out.

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Reach out to a leader.

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I'm sure there's things that you can...

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Sometimes it starts with volunteering or just truly helping and not looking for necessarily

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a paid or salaried role. But I do think the opportunities that exist within this ecosystem

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are near limitless due to this, you know, these synergies that already exist. And I can just see

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it really leveling up with tools like Dashbow, tools like the studio, and, you know, not even

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talking about yet, you know, the persistent other side that you alluded to earlier.

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Well,

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and,

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and I know we're going to get,

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get onto that.

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We're going to talk a little bit here.

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We're going to talk to cam.

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But you know,

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before we get into that,

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like,

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look,

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like,

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I mean,

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you said it like,

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you know,

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last time we had Garga on the show,

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best way to make friends on the internet.

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Still to this day,

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I totally agree with that.

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And you know,

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any eight fest attend any eight fest or any event. And you will have that. And, you know, any ApeFest, attend any ApeFest or any event

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and you will have that.

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I do want to ask Garga

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a persistent metaverse question before

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because it's, you know,

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quasi-related here.

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So, one, you know,

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you've been doubling down

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persistent metaverse June,

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persistent metaverse June.

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Just want to make sure

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that is still in the plans.

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And two,

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maybe you can't give away

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the goose on this one,

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so I'm curious,

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but is it going to be a persistent on-chain metaverse?

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Is there going to be offline instances

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that call back to the metaverse

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where you can bring off-chain stuff online?

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I'm curious what details you could share about that

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because the nerd in me is very excited

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about the actual usage of it

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and how it's going to work.

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I'm curious maybe if I'm one of a very few nerds

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who cares about the actual operational aspect of it,

1:22:24 - 1:22:26

but curious, is the plan still

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June, and can you share anything about the

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how behind it, or is that like, no, no, no,

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that's a secret sauce?

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Yeah, so it's looking like

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next year, no, just kidding.

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So, we are,

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we're super

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stoked.

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Figgy, my chief product officer,

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is very deep in the details

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on leading the charge for the June persistence date.

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When it comes to on-chain,

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we have a lot of different...

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I lost him again.

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You, Steve?

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Yeah, we lost Garga,

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which is, by the way, perfect timing when it comes to Unchained and to The Sopranos.

1:23:14 - 1:23:16

He just kind of pulled that perfectly.

1:23:16 - 1:23:17

Actually, that's a slick move.

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Let us know if you're back, Garga, if we got you.

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I think your internet's being spotty.

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You may want to pop on 5G

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and let the towers take the wheel on that one.

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Do we have you?

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We ride.

1:23:34 - 1:23:34

We roll through.

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Maybe if you can hear us, Gargan, maybe quick lap.

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Leave the space.

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Force close X.

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Turn off your Wi-Fi and rejoin just on your wireless connection.

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That said, Cap, we ride on.

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We'll get Garga back in here at some point.

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Should we bring on Cam?

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Yeah, let's do it.

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Let's do that.

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What's going on?

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Cam, thanks for joining us.

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Appreciate you.

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Appreciate your patience as you're jumping on.

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It was great to meet in person in Paris and do the stage.

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So congrats, by the way, of moving from, you know, sort of point A to point B here.

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You actually went from a very, very important role at UGA to a very, very important role with the foundation.

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Can you talk about what that role position is for people who don't know?

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Because it was announced it was coming through a little bit ago.

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But what is this role that you're entering? i appreciate gm guys uh it's good to

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see you both um yeah so uh a foundation announced uh that i'm i'm joining as the executive director

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and ceo so this stems from late last year the ape community doing what it does best came together

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figuring out you know how they want to lead themselves um and they passed a

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governance proposal governance revamp that established sort of this this role um i think

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the view from the community this is the third if i remember full governance change i'm not sure any

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other community that has the power to do that um but they sort of saw how the market was turning

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as apes always do and they said we want someone who can step in and lead, you know, with more of sort of a corporate focus.

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And, you know, I know the teams, you know,

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looked, you know, long and hard here,

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but I'm glad that, you know, at the end of the day,

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I was the right guy for the job.

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That's awesome.

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And one of the things that like Cap has talked about quite a bit,

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and I think is interesting as we talk about this,

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this has never been done before.

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This weird synergy

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between you have yugo labs which is one entity you have the dow which is yet another entity which is

1:25:31 - 1:25:35

you know hey like like for example we were our title sponsorship was eight chain last year because

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we got a grant passed by the community for six months to make them our title sponsor and then

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you have eight chain which launched and has become honestly like the most fun place for us

1:25:46 - 1:25:47

to play around because people are actually

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just buying and having fun

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and not needing to put exorbitant amount of money

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at risk necessarily, but having fun, joining

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community. So we have all of these three

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components. How difficult

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is it to get this trinity to work together?

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Because they all have different

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directives, they all have different sort of initiatives

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and yet they all are interconnected

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in some place in the Venn diagram.

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Is that part of what you'll be doing

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with other leadership at various groups here?

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Like explain that sort of connection

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and how you get them moving symbiotically together.

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Yeah, I think it's such a good point.

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And I know Greg might not be back up on stage yet,

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but I want to give the shout out to him and to Wiley and the founders of Yuga for starting all of this that we've all been able to play a part in and now having such meaningful growth.

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I think, Cap, you started with how many people dedicate themselves day in and day out to building this community.

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Steve, you're bringing up how many sort of at this point, how many real meaningful businesses and institutions

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have grown. And yeah, that is a huge focus of this. I mean, I want to try and look around the

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globe where we've built. We haven't always had the opportunity to do it. I know we have deep networks

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in Asia and in Europe and the US that we haven't explored. And so it's really how do we bring this

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all together, you know, to build around one central idea and one central IP. But most importantly, it's also how do we finally now, as the regulatory environment's

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changing us, how do we work closer with Yuga?

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We've all felt that tension and that pain point.

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Greg and Wiley love the community and have wanted to be able to grow and lean in.

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And I think this is just showing the commitment on Yuga that, you know, I'm able to take a

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step from Yuga into the foundation full time so we can all be held a lot closer.

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And how, oh, go ahead, Cap.

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No, I just, I was going to say, like, I love it. I shared this yesterday when I first heard that

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this is, I mean, first of all, big congrats to Cam. Not only am I excited because I think he's

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the perfect fit. I feel that just the position itself,

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I was excited when I first heard the announcement

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of the executive director position coming on.

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I think it's needed.

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I think it's something that a lot of,

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I mean, the reality is that the blockchain space

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is extremely competitive.

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You know, the L2 landscape, L3,

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it's only getting more competitive.

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And for as much as we love this decentralized approach,

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we need leaders.

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And there's a reason that traditional organizations, traditional hierarchies, traditional org charts have worked for centuries because it works.

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And to have someone steering the ship, not as a dictator, but rather working with all these different entities, as you mentioned. Like, it's just, it's not easy.

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No one's ever really quite built anything quite like this.

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And I just, I got really excited.

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Okay, we're going to have a leader leading a very important division of this entire ecosystem.

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And I mean, I shared a couple of comments already up top.

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already, uh, up top, I'll grab it here on stage, but similar, similar feedback from the community.

1:28:41 - 1:28:44

I'll grab it here on stage, but similar feedback from the community.

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Uh, just rave reviews from those that have had a chance to work with you and speak with you in the

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past. And I'm excited for those that haven't, I saw like one case that having spoke with Cam

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multiple times in the past, I'm super bullish with this announcement, extremely dynamic and

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hands-on type of guy. Send ape to 69 with haste. Uh, I saw another great post from Dilly just go

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out. I'll grab that in a second, but just those that have had a chance to 69 with haste uh i saw another great post from dilly just go out i'll grab that

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in a second but just those that have had a chance to work with cam and and um understand how he

1:29:10 - 1:29:15

operates i think there's a for those individuals a collective excitement and i am excited for

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everyone else who hasn't had a chance to work with you directly um to see this impact and this isn't

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like this isn't to put the pressure on you and it's's not like Ape Chain is going to win or fail based on what Cam does.

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But we do need a captain of the ship, so to speak.

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And I'm grateful that you're in the role.

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Congrats again.

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And I think that, as I said yesterday, I think the community is going to be pretty excited about this one.

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And per the comments, it looks to be the case this morning.

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I appreciate that. And, you know, I appreciate you're not adding pressure,

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but for anyone who, who doesn't know me, um,

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know that I put that pressure on myself.

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I don't know if we're allowed to curse on the show,

1:29:54 - 1:29:59

but I want to fucking win like so badly. I want Abe to win.

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I've been here from the start, you know, from the literal earliest days,

1:30:03 - 1:30:09

I can remember where I was when a point dropped, you know, from the literal earliest days, I can remember where I was when ApeCoin dropped, you know, in the role I had a chance to play there. Like, and I just want Ape

1:30:09 - 1:30:15

to win. I want the Ape ecosystem to win. And that's honestly why I'm stepping in and like

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having the backing of the Yuga founders, having the backing community, like that makes me feel

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good. That makes me feel like we're all running in the same direction here. But we know there's a lot of work in front of us.

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And anyone out there who's got big ideas,

1:30:28 - 1:30:30

anyone out there who wants to win,

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you will have my phone number.

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You will have my telegram.

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You can find me anywhere.

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I will take the call.

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I'm not going to back down from this.

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Well, and Cam, actually, that's a great...

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You made the point, like, for those of you who don't know you,

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like, I think it would be almost good.

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We totally, like, we're going to Christopher Nolan this

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and send it back to the beginning of the movie here. We're going to say, for those who don't know you, like, I think it would be almost good. We totally like, we're going to Christopher Nolan, this and send it back to the beginning of the movie here.

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We're going to say for those who don't have your background,

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like I actually remember when we,

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when we met in person and I was like,

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sort of,

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you're like this human embodiment of a calm,

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let's fucking go.

1:30:57 - 1:30:58

Like you have this calm demeanor,

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but like you have this like,

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let's fucking go attitude about you,

1:31:01 - 1:31:04

but people who maybe don't know your background,

1:31:04 - 1:31:05

both prior to web three and where we're at, like, why don't we actually, why don't we give people that who maybe don't know your background both prior to web three

1:31:05 - 1:31:09

and and where we're at like why don't we actually why don't we give people that who maybe people

1:31:09 - 1:31:19

aren't familiar for sure uh so i think that best place to start is i'm a philly boy so that that

1:31:19 - 1:31:25

demeanor and that desire to win comes from my hometown here. So Dilly, Cap, thank you for shouting out Dilly, fellow Philly

1:31:25 - 1:31:32

guy there. But yeah, so I started my career as a lawyer, actually. I worked at big law firms in New

1:31:32 - 1:31:39

York and in Philadelphia doing large scale M&A deals, cap market deals. But I got that bug in

1:31:39 - 1:31:44

like 2016. I did a fintech deal and the partner there said, hey, have you ever heard of this

1:31:44 - 1:31:46

crypto stuff? And I was like, yeah, no,

1:31:46 - 1:31:48

of course I've heard like, you know,

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and that was at a time when Coinbase wasn't even allowed in New York.

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So you had to like physically drive to New Jersey to like catch wifi.

1:31:54 - 1:31:59

That was like a different IP address. And I, I did, I did a, you know,

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essentially an ICO wasn't a fraudulent one. I promised there won't be history

1:32:03 - 1:32:08

there. And I, I just caught the bug and and everything I wanted to do was from there on out.

1:32:09 - 1:32:12

My career was crypto and I just chased law firms that would let me do it.

1:32:12 - 1:32:18

I ultimately had a chance to land at Fenwick with the great Andy Albertson and Ryan Strauss and all the guys that were there.

1:32:19 - 1:32:22

And this was at that 2021 just peak bull.

1:32:22 - 1:32:29

We were just racing after everyone. I had a chance to represent some of the most amazing companies in the space.

1:32:29 - 1:32:34

You know, whether it was the Magic Eating guys, Jack and Sid and Rex and Z over there,

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whether it was the Arbitrum guys, Steve, you know, and Harry and Ed and those guys,

1:32:39 - 1:32:40

whether it was the Coinbase team.

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And so just getting the chance to sort of see every angle in the space, you know, really

1:32:45 - 1:32:50

let me sort of think about what was that I wanted to do. And of course, like coming in and kicking

1:32:50 - 1:32:55

in the door where, you know, Greg and Wiley, this was right after the Mutant Drop, I had no idea

1:32:55 - 1:32:59

what their real names were, just like all you guys, like they still, you know, went by student

1:32:59 - 1:33:03

and team with us. And I got to see them from Mutant Drop all the way through, you know,

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joining them a few months later as the first chief legal officer of the team, being a right hand to Nicole and the founders.

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And I've been there, you know, almost three years now.

1:33:13 - 1:33:17

I always describe it as, as a lawyer, you help people build roller coasters.

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And I wanted to finally ride one.

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And it's been the absolute ride of a lifetime.

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That's awesome.

1:33:22 - 1:33:29

I want to actually go back to Garga here a little bit and and talk about well two things like one i want to get your thoughts on sort of cam's

1:33:29 - 1:33:33

fitness role well actually let's start there i want to i want to go back to garga and get your

1:33:33 - 1:33:37

thought on cam's fitness role because are you drinking cam the water from the video is that

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what that is by the way he's got the uh the the water from the good morning video or the morning

1:33:42 - 1:33:45

routine video so i had to I had to comment on that

1:33:45 - 1:33:48

before it took me aback anytime you see it.

1:33:48 - 1:33:50

It was the DiCaprio meme.

1:33:50 - 1:33:51

I was like, look.

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Garga, I want to go back to you.

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Talk about Cam's fit for this role

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and why it makes...

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Because it made sense to us

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as soon as we heard it.

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We're like, aha, totally makes sense.

1:33:59 - 1:34:00

Talk about your perspective

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from where you sit

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having worked with him

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so closely in a startup

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and what that means.

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Yeah, for sure. And look, just to to put it into context here, we have come out of one administration that was seemingly hell bent on killing all crypto in the U.S. to one that is encouraging, you know, crypto companies in the U.S. to lead.

1:34:27 - 1:34:32

And I think that implies some big changes and opportunities.

1:34:32 - 1:34:36

You've seen how different folks have reacted to that news.

1:34:36 - 1:34:42

You know, it feels like every person in the space is working on a stable coin or something

1:34:42 - 1:34:50

like that. And for us, you know, we have been operating with one or both

1:34:50 - 1:34:56

hands tied behind our backs in a lot of different ways. You know, we shared the news recently that

1:34:56 - 1:35:05

the SEC finally dropped its, you know, meritless case into us as they've been doing with many other actors in the space.

1:35:06 - 1:35:13

And we want to lean in and do a lot of things that we were eager to do and would have done

1:35:13 - 1:35:19

years ago if we didn't have to, you know, ask permission and apologize every step of the way.

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And AIP 582, you know, set aside a budget and a plan for an executive director.

1:35:28 - 1:35:34

The team, um, you know, throughout the last few months have been getting to know the special

1:35:34 - 1:35:39

council more, um, and talking to different folks about that role.

1:35:39 - 1:35:45

I think there was a plan to go, go out looking, go out headhunting for some person.

1:35:46 - 1:35:50

And to me, I'm always super bearish on that kind of process.

1:35:50 - 1:35:56

I think you should be looking for who are the people that are already doing this work

1:35:56 - 1:36:04

that you can uplift and empower and set to run because our space is so incredibly idiosyncratic

1:36:04 - 1:36:08

and it has its own qualities.

1:36:08 - 1:36:11

We have our community is only like us.

1:36:11 - 1:36:15

If we were like anybody else, we wouldn't have had the phenomenal run that we did.

1:36:16 - 1:36:26

And so having somebody like Cameron who, you know, Wylan and I have spent thousands of hours on the phone with

1:36:26 - 1:36:30

that knows how we think and what matters to us and how we make decisions.

1:36:31 - 1:36:35

And that, importantly, that we can call and talk to and strategize

1:36:35 - 1:36:39

on ways to push ApeCoin and its growth.

1:36:39 - 1:36:41

I think that's hugely important.

1:36:42 - 1:36:49

Cam's also a lawyer by trade, so he knows exactly how the DAO was set up

1:36:49 - 1:36:54

and what needs to be done to streamline operations more

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and make things more efficient.

1:36:56 - 1:37:03

And we're just super stoked that he's willing to jump into the breach here

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and help as the executive director.

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I think, you know, couldn't really think of anybody better for the job, for sure.

1:37:09 - 1:37:10

He's incredible.

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I shared this yesterday.

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I'll share it to the audience as well.

1:37:13 - 1:37:15

I wholeheartedly agree.

1:37:15 - 1:37:17

And you mentioned like the headhunter.

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I'm so glad that that wasn't the route that was.

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And it could have been the headhunter could have found the greatest executive director

1:37:24 - 1:37:29

in the world there they would have had at best a six-month learning

1:37:29 - 1:37:35

curve if not a lot longer and not only is cam familiar with yourself and in the rest of the

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team but to be familiar with this space like there's just no way around it there is a real

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learning curve here in crypto and in web3 and i i think like i said it yesterday something like

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this doesn't

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feel like we're hitting the ground running, but like full sprint, like it's just, you know, I,

1:37:50 - 1:37:55

I think you may be, this goes like full in effect, April 1st. Like it's, it's not like starting from

1:37:55 - 1:38:00

zero April 1st. It's, it's, I feel like we're starting from 60 miles an hour because of that

1:38:00 - 1:38:06

familiarness with the team, the industry. And yeah, I couldn't agree more that I couldn't have found a better

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person on the planet

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due to everything you just mentioned.

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Cam, can I

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ask about the

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shift here that

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Garga just talked about? Because now, you're

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taking over something where you're like,

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am I going to get sued? Am I going to go to

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jail? Am I going to...

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First of all,

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Garga's,

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sometimes I say this in the most endearing way,

1:38:29 - 1:38:29

fucking psycho.

1:38:30 - 1:38:31

You have people coming to your house.

1:38:32 - 1:38:33

You have SEC coming down.

1:38:35 - 1:38:35

You have founders get co-founders getting debanged.

1:38:36 - 1:38:37

You have SEC lawsuits. And you're like,

1:38:37 - 1:38:37

you know what?

1:38:37 - 1:38:38

I'm going to step back into this job.

1:38:38 - 1:38:39

Like,

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and I know you said jobs not finished last time you had you on.

1:38:41 - 1:38:42

And that was great.

1:38:42 - 1:38:43

It's crazy.

1:38:43 - 1:38:44

But Cam,

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I want to ask your opinion on this. It's like, great it's crazy um but cam i want to ask

1:38:45 - 1:38:49

your opinion on this it's like does it make it a little bit more fun to actually step into this

1:38:49 - 1:38:53

role because it feels like you finally have some tailwinds instead of playing the game on hard mode

1:38:53 - 1:39:01

for sure yeah i mean it's it feels to me like we're we have that energy of like that 2020 2021

1:39:01 - 1:39:05

period before the prior administration sort of started trying to strangle hold everyone.

1:39:06 - 1:39:08

Like I remember those days, like the visions were big.

1:39:08 - 1:39:10

The ideas were massive.

1:39:10 - 1:39:12

People wanted to experiment.

1:39:12 - 1:39:13

They wanted to try things.

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And like, I think there was a period of time where like our space lost that because everyone, as Greg said, like you had to feel like you asked permission and apologize and double back.

1:39:21 - 1:39:27

And so, you know, you can already feel the trickle, like the conversations we're taking on the banana bill side,

1:39:27 - 1:39:28

like the partners that have come back,

1:39:29 - 1:39:31

the large brands that have come back saying, Hey,

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we want to start working again.

1:39:32 - 1:39:35

Like you feel like you're in the greenscape and being able to actually

1:39:35 - 1:39:36

take swings.

1:39:37 - 1:39:38

I mean, if you're, if you're in the game,

1:39:38 - 1:39:40

the best thing you want to do is swing away.

1:39:41 - 1:39:41

Yeah.

1:39:41 - 1:39:43

I think Greg, actually, same question to you.

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I just, you know, as far as like what you're

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living with do you because because like you can give us an honest assessment like are we out of

1:39:52 - 1:39:55

the woods are we still in the like because we were in the woods with a flickering flashlight

1:39:55 - 1:39:59

before now it's like are you just you know walking through and it's a little bit brighter like does

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it feel like we're finally coming out of it and you're getting to not play the game on hard mode

1:40:03 - 1:40:08

as these things happen and then do you see how do you i guess the other and the follow-up to that

1:40:08 - 1:40:12

the fast follow be like one do you think we're out of the woods and two how do you remain optimistic

1:40:12 - 1:40:17

throughout all this because it felt kind of grim for a little bit there and now suddenly it feels

1:40:17 - 1:40:22

like we have this like flourishing opportunity where it's like hey let's be let's experiment

1:40:22 - 1:40:25

with tech again in the united states so do you feel like we're out?

1:40:25 - 1:40:27

And how did you stay optimistic with all that going on?

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For sure.

1:40:29 - 1:40:32

Look, I think it's a new morning in crypto.

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It's a new morning for crypto in the USA.

1:40:35 - 1:40:56

And I think people underestimate the chilling effect and how much the kind of stuff that we see in the market was a direct result of the posture that regulation had towards crypto.

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You know, you had pumped up fun and meme coins as the only thing that was taking off over the past two years.

1:41:08 - 1:41:13

And there's plenty of people that are saying, oh, well, it's just more pure.

1:41:13 - 1:41:21

You know, it's just pure gambling or hyper-financialization of our times or, you know,

1:41:21 - 1:41:23

memes are viral and this makes perfect sense.

1:41:24 - 1:41:26

And I don't disagree with with

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some of those thoughts but at the same time the posture was basically that this was the one thing

1:41:32 - 1:41:39

that you could do um and if you have every other big actor that you can pick up that's docs that

1:41:39 - 1:41:45

you can pick up a phone and call um getting letters in the mail from the SEC and having to spend

1:41:45 - 1:41:54

hundreds of thousands or millions or even tens of millions sometimes to deal with intrusive

1:41:54 - 1:42:03

regulatory and capricious regulatory concerns, it's really hard to get the job done.

1:42:00 - 1:42:03

it's really hard to get the job done.

1:42:04 - 1:42:07

And so, you know, there's a period of time here

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between like when the boot comes off the neck

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and you're able to start shifting gears

1:42:13 - 1:42:15

and building and shipping.

1:42:16 - 1:42:19

And I think we're, you know, we're in that time

1:42:19 - 1:42:21

and we're excited for this next phase.

1:42:21 - 1:42:23

Can I ask how bad did it get?

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Was there ever a time where you thought we're going to have to relocate out of the U.S.?

1:42:27 - 1:42:28

Did it get that far or not quite?

1:42:29 - 1:42:34

You know, the problem is you just you never know what's going to happen.

1:42:36 - 1:42:45

And so, you know, there was this feeling from our end of wanting to cultivate, um,

1:42:45 - 1:42:49

the community that has always existed for board a overseas,

1:42:50 - 1:42:50

you know,

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it's hard to want to build a permanent clubhouse in the United States when,

1:42:56 - 1:42:56

uh,

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you know,

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you're not even sure that they'll let you operate here.

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And,

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um,

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it makes sense to hold apeFest overseas when the market and regulators and stuff is just way more bullish at times and other places.

1:43:14 - 1:43:20

So it definitely was something that was on our mind, as it was, I think, for a lot of people.

1:43:20 - 1:43:25

it really hit me at you say at hong kong ape fest it was an eye-opener for me i was like i felt

1:43:20 - 1:43:24

It really hit me, you say, Hong Kong ApeFest. It was an eye-opener for me.

1:43:25 - 1:43:29

i felt like they were like five to ten years ahead of us in terms of just like embracing

1:43:29 - 1:43:35

it wasn't just the the crypto you know nerds it wasn't just those of us that are chronically

1:43:35 - 1:43:41

online it just felt like everyone was crypto was just it was already incorporated into the

1:43:41 - 1:43:45

everyday life over there and so many different facets.

1:43:48 - 1:43:48

And while we maybe still have a little bit of catching up to do,

1:43:50 - 1:43:50

it does feel like we've made some big leaps.

1:43:54 - 1:43:59

And I can only imagine going from an environment where you felt you had such significant headwinds into this one now where it feels like some real tailwinds.

1:43:59 - 1:44:02

I mean, just even talking about bringing ApeFest back to the US this year,

1:44:00 - 1:44:10

Talking about bringing ApeFest back to the US this year, that's the sort of – Yuga is a leader in crypto, in Web3.

1:44:10 - 1:44:26

And I think bringing that back here, I am looking forward to seeing if we have not just the big brands, but maybe some other things come out of that in terms of – not that we want regulators and people in Congress coming to our ApeFest.

1:44:26 - 1:44:33

But do you see Yuga taking on an even more active role in terms of, you know, on the

1:44:33 - 1:44:35

regulatory front, on the political front?

1:44:35 - 1:44:40

Or are you kind of like, now you're free to build and if they come to you with questions,

1:44:40 - 1:44:41

you'll pick up the phone?

1:44:43 - 1:44:46

Yeah, look, we're here to talk and share,

1:44:46 - 1:44:53

you know, and educate and share insights to what's going on in the market. But that's when asked and

1:44:53 - 1:44:58

when we think it's important. But, you know, I'm not here to play politics. I just want to,

1:44:58 - 1:45:02

you know, I made a fucking swamp club for apes on the internet and just want to keep having fun

1:45:02 - 1:45:10

and building stuff. Cameron, along those lines, now that it's getting a little bit more hey we can play around and

1:45:10 - 1:45:14

operate here and and what i love is we've seen this alluded a couple times trying to see calm

1:45:14 - 1:45:18

and we've seen you know gargis say now we can do shit we actually wanted to do and that's exciting

1:45:18 - 1:45:23

for everybody in the club i think but now i mean in your new role with the shackles off a little

1:45:23 - 1:45:31

bit what are sort of your initial sort of you, day zero sort of priority zeros that you're going to be like, all right, I need to get these?

1:45:31 - 1:45:35

And what is sort of a long-term vision that you bring to this role as you start to blow it out?

1:45:35 - 1:45:43

For sure. It's such a good question. And I'm actually with Wabam and One Kim today, you know, in New York working on it.

1:45:43 - 1:45:47

Both of them, it's a good time to talk about Wabam's continuing on his role.

1:45:47 - 1:45:49

He's been special counsel the last two years.

1:45:49 - 1:45:54

He's going to be staying on as chief strategy officer here, continuing to build alongside me.

1:45:54 - 1:45:58

One Kim was my right-hand head of partnerships at Yuga.

1:45:59 - 1:46:10

He's taking the jump as well, and he's coming over as chief commercial officer because we need a full team here. We need to be able to operate, you know, across the board. So we're here, we're

1:46:10 - 1:46:16

whiteboarding it all out. I mean, look, I think the community's vision, the fact that they saw

1:46:16 - 1:46:20

like we needed to make change, you know, we had to bring in a leadership team, it speaks to the

1:46:20 - 1:46:23

fact that we need to bring operational efficiency. So there's going to be a short period of time

1:46:23 - 1:46:25

where it's like, we've got to get our bearings right. We've got to take it

1:46:25 - 1:46:29

down to the studs a little bit, get ourselves into a place to be lean, mean, and ready to move

1:46:29 - 1:46:34

forward. And then actually go and execute against that. So making sure we have the right team in

1:46:34 - 1:46:37

place, making sure we have the right resources, making sure we're using our treasury effectively.

1:46:38 - 1:46:42

Those are some core business principles we just have to get right if we're going to be successful.

1:46:42 - 1:46:45

But the opportunity after that is really big. I

1:46:45 - 1:46:51

mean, like I said, I think because we were so decentralized, we had incredible energy building

1:46:51 - 1:46:56

across the world, but we weren't able to harness that together. And so when I talked to like Hazel

1:46:56 - 1:47:00

and special counsel, shout out to Hazel, like this whole week talking, hearing about what everyone

1:47:00 - 1:47:03

in Asia is working on, hearing about the fact that like from the US side, I don't know if I've

1:47:03 - 1:47:05

ever known that.

1:47:09 - 1:47:10

There's an opportunity to reach out and build that bond and actually grow in markets that like we haven't had a chance yet.

1:47:10 - 1:47:12

You've talked to Dim in Europe, right?

1:47:12 - 1:47:13

And you're like, hey, what's going on there?

1:47:13 - 1:47:18

Like that's a huge piece of what we want to do is really harness that community energy,

1:47:18 - 1:47:22

amplify the community voice, direct everyone into the same place.

1:47:23 - 1:47:26

But it has to have that ape spirit that we've always had a

1:47:26 - 1:47:30

personality. I think when you look back when Ape Chain launched, Garg and Figgy both said,

1:47:30 - 1:47:33

this is a chain with personality. That's what it has to be.

1:47:35 - 1:47:40

You mentioned Dim and brings it back to NFT Paris. I said after NFT Paris, that doesn't

1:47:40 - 1:47:45

happen if it's not this model, right? Sure, sure, the Ape Foundation might have had a presence there,

1:47:45 - 1:47:47

or sure, the community might have had a presence there,

1:47:48 - 1:47:49

but that's what makes this so special.

1:47:49 - 1:47:52

And I don't think the space at large has fully grasped that yet.

1:47:52 - 1:47:57

Like, that booth at NFT Paris was a DAO initiative led by DIMM,

1:47:57 - 1:48:00

a community leader who got the ball rolling,

1:48:01 - 1:48:03

and then we had yourself and Labam.

1:48:03 - 1:48:05

And everyone come together from the foundation, You got the ball rolling, and then we had yourself and Wabam.

1:48:10 - 1:48:11

Everyone come together from the foundation, from Borea Piat Club, from Yuga, the community.

1:48:14 - 1:48:14

That sort of stuff is really unique.

1:48:15 - 1:48:15

It's really special.

1:48:16 - 1:48:17

I think it's the power of the club.

1:48:18 - 1:48:19

I said it earlier.

1:48:20 - 1:48:20

We still need leaders.

1:48:21 - 1:48:22

We still need structure.

1:48:29 - 1:48:33

And that coordination, I think, is maybe what's been lacking to no one's fault. It's just, this is really hard to get all these boats rowing in the same direction. And that's what I get most excited about now is it feels like from a

1:48:33 - 1:48:40

coordination standpoint, it feels like we've really leveled up with just some changes. Same team,

1:48:40 - 1:48:45

but empowered a little bit differently. And i i think just ideal alignment from my for my

1:48:45 - 1:48:52

perspective yeah i i want to um i actually want to go a little bit of a a hard pivot question that i

1:48:52 - 1:48:56

always want to ask and i'm always curious about this one so i'm gonna go garga first and cam

1:48:56 - 1:49:01

cameron to see if we get like different answers on this so garga i'll go to you for or maybe i

1:49:01 - 1:49:11

should go to cameron well no not your boss anymore so i guess you're not like you can answer however you want now you're free to go but um garga do you ever get like i i again

1:49:11 - 1:49:14

this is a hard pivot but it's something i've always wanted to ask i had a thread a while ago

1:49:14 - 1:49:18

that people don't put enough respect on boarding yacht club's name because most projects are

1:49:18 - 1:49:22

effectively a copy pasta not totally they do their own thing but they'll do some mechanic and act like

1:49:22 - 1:49:26

it's novel and it's like it's almost like the simpsons it's like somebody does something and it's like the

1:49:26 - 1:49:33

simpsons did that nine years ago um do you get frustrated with the lack of recognition of the

1:49:33 - 1:49:37

amount of things you've pioneered or do you just say whatever we want the space to grow like is

1:49:37 - 1:49:41

there a chip on your shoulder about that because like or am i just like insecure and have a chip

1:49:41 - 1:49:44

on my shoulder about that because i i sometimes get frustrated that people don't give the

1:49:44 - 1:49:46

recognition so i'm curious your thoughts on that, Garga,

1:49:46 - 1:49:47

and then I want to get Cameron's answer.

1:49:49 - 1:49:51

Yeah, that's a fun one.

1:49:53 - 1:49:54

Look, personality-wise,

1:49:54 - 1:49:56

I think I'm just very, like,

1:49:56 - 1:49:58

keep my head down and don't worry about

1:49:58 - 1:49:59

stuff like that.

1:50:00 - 1:50:02

It takes me back to a

1:50:02 - 1:50:04

conversation I had with Wiley

1:50:04 - 1:50:06

years ago, you know, after we got doxxed.

1:50:07 - 1:50:15

He said something to the effect of there is a small part of him that's happy for it

1:50:15 - 1:50:21

in that he knows he'd want to come out and say that he did this at some point.

1:50:21 - 1:50:26

He wanted to be able to share um you know in the in

1:50:26 - 1:50:32

the achievement and like get to know apes and all that and part of me really i think earnestly was

1:50:32 - 1:50:38

more the fact of yeah i see the that part um i would have been totally happy like going to my

1:50:38 - 1:50:45

grave and just like only interacting with people as like garga on the internet, you know, or like Satoshi or something

1:50:45 - 1:50:52

like that. And so, um, it's just a, a personality type that I have. I will chuckle to myself when

1:50:52 - 1:50:58

some people, um, you know, try and flex that they did something first when I, you know, I know full

1:50:58 - 1:51:05

well that we've been experimenting all over the space and have a fair share of, of first ourself,

1:51:05 - 1:51:06

but there's also plenty,

1:51:07 - 1:51:07

many,

1:51:07 - 1:51:10

many things that we've done that were built on,

1:51:10 - 1:51:11

um,

1:51:12 - 1:51:14

the shoulders of people that came before us.

1:51:14 - 1:51:15

So I'm not,

1:51:15 - 1:51:16

I'm not too worried about it.

1:51:16 - 1:51:16

If you're,

1:51:16 - 1:51:17

if you have to,

1:51:18 - 1:51:18

um,

1:51:18 - 1:51:20

if you have to explain,

1:51:20 - 1:51:27

then you're losing is a small phrase that Figgy and i will say to each other sometimes um

1:51:27 - 1:51:33

you know if people should just get it when you when you do something really special and exciting

1:51:33 - 1:51:38

and if you have to pound your chest and say no no look how special i am and i did it first or

1:51:38 - 1:51:44

something like that like that's just a losing game yeah it's a lose lose it's like if you if you

1:51:44 - 1:51:46

like if somebody does something you're like we're doing this new thing game. Yeah, it's a lose-lose. It's like if you, like, if somebody does something,

1:51:46 - 1:51:47

you're like, we're doing this new thing, never been done before.

1:51:48 - 1:51:50

It's like, we did that shit a year and a half ago or two years ago.

1:51:50 - 1:51:53

You just, you don't, like, that doesn't look good.

1:51:53 - 1:51:56

But at the same time, it's a rough situation where it's like,

1:51:56 - 1:51:58

you want people to recognize and almost say that for you.

1:51:58 - 1:52:01

So to your point, it's almost like that be undeniable.

1:52:01 - 1:52:05

Now, Cameron, I know you sometimes have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder,

1:52:05 - 1:52:07

so I want to see if your answer is a little differently.

1:52:07 - 1:52:10

Does it bug you when people are claiming shit that you guys did first?

1:52:14 - 1:52:15

Stepping into sort of this leadership role,

1:52:15 - 1:52:21

I have a lot of deep well of things to look back on,

1:52:21 - 1:52:25

having learned from Greg and Wiley and Vicky and all the leaders at

1:52:25 - 1:52:31

Yuga. And I think that when you feel such a deep sort of admiration, you feel the disrespect on

1:52:31 - 1:52:35

their behalf. And so I think when you, you know, when we talk behind the scenes, Steve, that's what

1:52:35 - 1:52:40

you hear. You know, I, I look at them with such respect that I'm like, put respect on their name.

1:52:40 - 1:52:45

So Greg may not say it, but I certainly carry that chip but i think at the same

1:52:45 - 1:52:49

time you know something greg's taught me and what he just said you know i i think of it from like

1:52:49 - 1:52:56

that uh that quote from like um tywin lannister in game of thrones where he was like you know he

1:52:56 - 1:53:00

himself you know he who calls himself king is no king and i think greg just like embodied that

1:53:00 - 1:53:04

like he doesn't need to call say that he did something first or he did something best or that

1:53:04 - 1:53:06

any of that. It just

1:53:06 - 1:53:08

is about knowing it. I think this

1:53:08 - 1:53:09

community, it knows what it is

1:53:09 - 1:53:12

and now it's just about giving them opportunities,

1:53:12 - 1:53:13

rails, frameworks, tech

1:53:13 - 1:53:15

to succeed and they'll

1:53:15 - 1:53:16

know it.

1:53:18 - 1:53:20

Steve, you know we got the right person

1:53:20 - 1:53:22

we're getting Tywin Lannister quotes

1:53:22 - 1:53:23

on coffee.

1:53:24 - 1:53:25

Yeah, gotta love a good Tywin Lannister quote.

1:53:25 - 1:53:27

Look, I know we're coming up against time.

1:53:27 - 1:53:30

You guys have been super generous with your time.

1:53:30 - 1:53:33

I want to go, again, we'll go to Garga

1:53:33 - 1:53:34

and we'll bring it back to Cameron.

1:53:34 - 1:53:37

Garga, anything else we didn't ask you about today

1:53:37 - 1:53:39

that we might have missed, as if you haven't already?

1:53:39 - 1:53:40

Any other alpha you want to drop?

1:53:40 - 1:53:41

Well, we got you here.

1:53:41 - 1:53:42

We'll take what we can get.

1:53:42 - 1:53:44

We'll always take alpha all day long.

1:53:44 - 1:53:47

Any other thoughts before we let you get out of here and speed out because i know

1:53:47 - 1:53:54

you're a busy man or anything else you wanted to get across before we let you run uh no i think

1:53:54 - 1:54:00

this has been a lot of fun thanks for having us sorry for um all the technical difficulties i

1:54:00 - 1:54:06

think i was having earlier on um just wanted to thank Rita again and his team at Inceptive Studios

1:54:06 - 1:54:09

for modeling out all the mutants.

1:54:09 - 1:54:13

These were done in collaboration with Yuga,

1:54:13 - 1:54:15

and we helped everywhere we could,

1:54:15 - 1:54:19

but it's still a Herculean effort on their part.

1:54:19 - 1:54:24

And the DAO had also funded parts of Dashbow and all that.

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So it's the best case of a community builder, ApeCoin and ApeCoin DAO and Yuga coming together to push something over the line.

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So super stoked for that and also really stoked for the future of ApeCoin with Cam at the helm and to have, you know, somebody that can pick up the phone and call to push as we step into this next chapter.

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Yeah, it's a great point where it's like we talked about

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getting these three things to balance and work together,

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and you hit on it real quick.

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And actually, before I go to Cameron, I see Wabam joined on stage.

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Wabam, if you're at a place where you can kind of talk,

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when you learned the news about Cameron,

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you obviously learned it before everybody else.

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Were you like, oh, no, not that asshole?

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What was your thoughts when you learned about Cameron's job?

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Huge.

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I mean, definitely had my, you know,

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oh, God, I have to keep dealing with this guy.

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But no, hugely bullish, hugely bullish.

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You know, Cam's been part of the itching team for ages.

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He's been an executive at Ugalabs.

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I think Gargan nailed it.

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He's got personal relationships

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with all of the leadership there.

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And he's sharp.

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He's sharp as hell.

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He's hungry.

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He wants to win.

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He's competitive.

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I've worked with Cam for a good while now

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and I'm super, super stoked to have him

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leading the Ape Foundation. It's a new era

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for us and we're going to do big things.

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That's awesome.

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Cameron, I'll throw it to you. Same thing.

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Thanks for your time. Congrats again.

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Super generous of you to be

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here this long with us to give us this

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especially on the day of a big announcement. We appreciate y'all

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coming to us first. We are apes at our core.

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We can't help it. That's who we are.

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Any other farting thoughts before you go?

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And by the way,

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notice I didn't go back to ask Garga

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about the metaverse persistent question.

1:56:13 - 1:56:15

That's a trick to get him back on the show in the future

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to ask him again later down the line.

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But any other farting thoughts

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before you get out of here?

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And congrats again.

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I appreciate that.

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I just want to give flowers where they're due. Greg said it, I think just a second ago, like how Yuga has stood on

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the shoulders of others. I think I'm doing that right now. We've had incredible special councils,

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you know, members who over multiple years now, three years now have just fought the good fight

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through dark times, through, you know, light so they're they're owed um i've had the

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chance to work so closely with you know the founders of yuga and greg and uh pb and figgy

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and james and quit and all those guys so i'm gonna you know carry what i've learned from them

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um and then more importantly than anything it's like we all stand on the shoulders of the community

1:57:00 - 1:57:08

so you guys you know everyone out there is an ape. Everyone is an ape coin holder. Everyone builds this ecosystem. Like we're doing this because of

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you guys. And so I know this is just the starting line, but like, I feel like we've got an insane

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foundation to build on top of. I feel really lucky for that. It's awesome. Well, thank you again. And

1:57:20 - 1:57:24

Cap, I feel like I just went to church. I just went to ape church. I feel really good about this.

1:57:24 - 1:57:26

I mean, I knew you could hear my excitement in my voice yesterday

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when we chatted,

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and it increased this morning on every front.

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The mutants, I don't want to say long time coming,

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but I know there was a bunch of pent-up demand

1:57:39 - 1:57:41

and excitement for the 3D models.

1:57:41 - 1:57:42

Excited to have those.

1:57:42 - 1:57:43

I've already seen them on the timeline.

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I shared a few of them up top,

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but just love to see that.

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That creates this real momentum,

1:57:52 - 1:57:54

energy, and excitement throughout the club.

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And then we have the,

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I think it's without question,

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all the different pillars of the ecosystem

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are, there's more coordination now than ever before.

1:58:08 - 1:58:10

And it just gets me really excited. It, you know,

1:58:10 - 1:58:12

can't mention the foundation and yes,

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the foundation has been laid now a few years in the making and,

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and really does feel like this is a really big new chapter.

1:58:21 - 1:58:23

I feel is beginning like that. It took a lot,

1:58:23 - 1:58:30

a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get the foundation laid and if you think about like you know not to get use a cheesy

1:58:30 - 1:58:33

analogy but you think about like skyscrapers if you live in you know whether it's philly or new

1:58:33 - 1:58:39

york or you know you see for months maybe years sometimes it's like chain link fence blocked off

1:58:39 - 1:58:44

and a bunch of dirt and and it's like years go by sometimes that's all you see is just that they're

1:58:44 - 1:58:49

just digging dirt and then you drive by like a month later and an entire skyscraper is framed

1:58:49 - 1:58:55

up. It's because it takes much longer time to build a proper foundation that's going to be

1:58:55 - 1:59:01

suitable for something to last for decades, if not centuries. And I think that while this may

1:59:01 - 1:59:11

not have been the exact route that was envisioned back in 2021, I think anyone said that they knew exactly how this was going to play out, they'd be lying.

1:59:11 - 1:59:16

And to see that we've gotten through those first few years, this foundation is, I think, very strong.

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I get really excited to think about where we're at because my vision forward in terms of where we're heading has probably never been more clear.

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Yeah, it's awesome.

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Look, I am stoked.

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What a day, Cap.

1:59:31 - 1:59:32

What a day in coffee with Captain.

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We had some good discussion early on.

1:59:36 - 1:59:37

We got Gargo.

1:59:37 - 1:59:38

We got Cameron.

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We got announcement of Cameron's new gig.

1:59:41 - 1:59:43

We got Wabam on stage to talk foundation.

1:59:43 - 1:59:48

We got Rita bringing some 3D mutants to the fold or dashbow.

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So people are able to co-create there.

1:59:50 - 1:59:55

It does feel like the energy and momentum is going in the right direction

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again,

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which makes me super happy.

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Cap,

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any other cleanup or parting thoughts you want to hit before we get out of

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here?

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Rita,

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is there anything we missed for you?

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I see still on the audio spaces.

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I know it's a long day for you really appreciate you joining us this morning

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for the entire show anything that you wanted to share anything we didn't get to today whether

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it's related to dashbow or anything in general no man what you guys do and what you guys how you

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guys talk about dashboard 3d is better than how i do it so i'm gonna let you guys do the talking

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from here on on i'll just do the going to let you guys do the talking from here on on. I'll just do the creation and you guys

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do the talking. Thank you guys

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for having me and thank you. I actually

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really want to thank the team at Yuga

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that we worked with on the 3D

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models for the Mutants.

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The Mutants were very complicated and

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very hard to do, but it was a pleasure

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working with the team, whether it was

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Dave, whether it was Lovins,

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it was an absolute pleasure

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it's uh it's it's hilarious cap this is what we do it's like we like you know rita does like real

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impactful work for a living and actually like codes and stuff we just talk shit for a living

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so it works so we can do that all day we can we can we can we can talk about the product it's like

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the perfect example of like why board apiiat Club is almost this decentralized company in and of itself.

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It's like you got someone like Rita and the way he builds,

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and then you have us who are like,

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we're the marketing guys.

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We're the guys who can kind of help and sing and bring it to life.

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And you have this combination of the two things coming together,

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and it's what I love about it.

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And it's all decentralized.

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It's like we're not on his payroll.

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He's not on our payroll, but we can lift each other up.

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A rising tide rises all boats. It boats what i love about the club it's like i tell people

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you you want you want the easiest path to get the best group of beta testers ever

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start a made by eight business you release it we're gonna check it out product's gotta be good

2:01:36 - 2:01:40

or else we're not gonna buy it again but you know when i'm buying things like i i am in trouble

2:01:40 - 2:01:45

because i got some cookies and my daughter likes them. So now I'm getting more cookies.

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I'm trying to be on a diet,

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but my daughter likes to share cookies.

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So like,

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you know,

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it's like when you go to these made by eight businesses,

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friends,

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chocolate,

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another problem I'm having right now.

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So we're making it all work,

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but it's one of the cool parts about it.

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So,

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uh,

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that said cap,

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uh,

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parting thoughts or should we sail off into their day?

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All I've got is if anyone missed,

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and maybe a few other goodies in there. But Steve, last but not least, I know it was,

2:02:32 - 2:02:37

this all came together. It was complete coincidence. We, but to think like the,

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the least impactful news of the day was something that we're both pretty excited about with ApeCon

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coming up in April. And we will be talking more about that, I promise.

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But genuinely excited about that. The application for those that want to participate in that startup pitch deck or pitch competition, it's going to be open for a week. So you'll hear us talk about

2:02:53 - 2:02:56

that a little bit next week. It'll be open through Thursday. But if you do want to participate,

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we do have limited spots. So whether you're an existing team and you've got an existing brand

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that you'd like to compete, or you're just an individual, an entrepreneur in the club,

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but you don't even have an idea.

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You just would like to help build with others.

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Submit the application as an individual

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and we're going to do our best to pair individuals,

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create some new teams to where you can,

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maybe you find your next co-founder.

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So really excited about that.

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And it just, it does, I mean it.

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I think we've, the vision I have for the club

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and this ecosystem at large is maybe the

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clearest it's been. And I'm really grateful to be here. Appreciate everyone who tuned in today.

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Appreciate all the support. Grateful for Garga and Cam and Rita for joining us. Thanks for Wabam

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for making the cameo there. And yeah, man, grateful to be here. It's an exciting time. And

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I said literally weeks after meeting an ape, I said, I feel like I just joined a startup with 2,500 of my closest friends that I haven't even met yet.

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It's several, it's a lot bigger than those 2,500 back from, you know, May of 2021.

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But that feeling has carried through and it does, it feels like a exciting new chapter in that startup we're all building together.

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So grateful to be here.

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I appreciate everyone who,

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who showed up for support today.

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Exciting times,