Good morning, good morning.
GM eco synergists just follow back hey By the way, sir, it's my brother in a shot in the back So um bit of it, but maybe if you put 50 million dollar grant in this title of this space you'll probably get more listeners just saying just know what
out there. I'll tell you what, it's a simple thing as an edit right now. Yes sir, tap it on the top. I just retweeted the room. I will do so from Jimmy Cohen as well. It's me Jimmy. Hello Dr. Samelia, GM, Hara, Hara Cut, James, Kiyotos in the building.
So tell me, Rufa, what are you part of Carbon County Club or another organization? I'm part of the
community over at a Kyoto Protocol. So nice. I want one of the big advocates over there. Kyoto's coming in strong on the ReFi Twitter. I've been seeing a lot of Kyoto. Kyoto
go to airwear. That's definitely a game up. I was searching the other day and I saw just basic grief, I originally had to find it searches in general and I see a lot of keto popping up and I'm really really happy to see that. So that's awesome.
Yeah, so So give let's give some people some time I've learned over some time well I stopped doing Twitter spaces a while ago got really busy But I learned that we won't see everyone pop up a lot of people that use the
computer, you won't see them show up here, which I thought was interesting. So let's give some people some more time and then we can get started. James, I'd like for you to introduce yourself when we get a second. But yeah, I'd say let's get started in about two more minutes.
That's maybe I don't know right on
And the me time is uh, so who's speaking over there is that is that Jimmy is that you that was speaking over there? Yes sir. His eye okay, okay? His eye Jimmy is Jimmy I'll try to bring the B up here too. I see you got a B. Jen in the audience Tigers GM sending you some hearts send
sending green hearts to everyone that allows me to send green hearts to you and spaces not everybody. You know, you know, you can DM people, emojis, this is fun. Bit greens in the building. Much love, bit green. Bit greens showing up to the refi spaces lately. Love to see it. I love to see it.
Oh, oh, speaking of, sorry super quick Kyoto I heard is launching a grant as well. They are indeed this is live and this is being recorded. Oh, you mean is the grant live is the Kyoto grant live?
I don't believe it's live yet. No. I don't know. Put my foot in my mouth. Let's see. Hey, I see dantes in there. Dante. Go ahead and shoot a message in here if it is live. I don't believe it is, but correct me if I'm wrong.
I spoke with, I think it was Frank the CEO of... and he was saying it was gonna be live, uh... I think like in the last week or something. I mean, maybe mistaken. But yes. Give me a sec here.
Everybody lets retweet the room. I'm gonna pin just the space up to the tippy top so if everyone taps that and retweets We can see who's retweeted so far carbon counting and yours truly everyone now
Bring Treat the Brum. Let everybody know. You can do it from the chat button, right? Let's warm this puppy up. I'm in and get the show on. I'm in. Jimmy is a professional T.S. or I love it. I love the energy. Love the audience so far.
Let's get to it guys. Alright James, let's hear it. Talk to me a little bit. First, tell me about yourself. Tell me a little bit about carbon to counting club. Wait a second here and did he respond to me?
Not yet, okay, all right, Jimmy, let me first let's answer your previous question about that Kyoto grant. It's not yet, we'll be going on very soon. Stay tuned on that.
Okay guys you all right I'm tuned I'm tuned in all right James go ahead tell me a little about yourself first and Carbon Counting Club and what you guys got going over there
Alright, yeah, no stress. I'm happy to see everybody here, you know, sharing and learning. I'm a husband, father, and avid environmentalist. The Carbon Counting Club is just an effort to encourage people to start counting carbons, questioning at home.
Right now, the entire space, it's rather complicated, but the truth is, is the things that they've been telling us work for years, like we've heard them on repeat, they actually do work. And they're actually far more efficient than most of the centralized answers that are trying to respond to some of these problems.
It's far more efficient for you to use what you have where you are than to ship it 100 miles away for somebody else to use it for something. Now there are obviously limitations to that. But the big part that I'm here talking about today is composting, which means if you poop, you can make a difference.
And you're probably doing both of those. You know what? So I have a question for you. So I am not big in composting, but I have literally just started to look up some things. I have two dogs and boy, do they like to poop and cover my entire backyard?
How can I utilize that as an effort to contribute to environmental safety and friendly, friendliness, if you will? Because I do want to contribute from a basic, hey, I have dogs, they poop all over
replace. I'm tired of picking up, putting a trash can, taking trash can out later. I don't have a doggie dooly. I can't dig, you know, 20 feet or whatever it is, 10 feet for a septic tank in my yard. I just can't do it. So how can I go about doing that?
There's actually a number of ways, like you could try vermin composting where it's basically worms. You just have a can by the worms eat it very quickly so you don't end up with a large mound of poo or food scraps. And that's the thing. It's like a lot of the numbers that people give you for composting are based on food scraps alone.
But that's not the only thing you can compost. And that's where it can really make a difference. And it's important overall for every pound of food waste that you don't land fill, you're going to offset three pounds of emission and sequester half a pound of COTail.
That is good to know. Okay. Alright, so let's jump right into this. So what is this refile grant competition? What is this $50 dollar competition? Okay, so I have signed up done all the paperwork paid all the fees to be in the
the X Prize Carbon Capture Contest. My plan is to allow people to do DIY composting. They basically just share the proof publicly and photos and stories. Photos that didn't have
But we can publicly verify whether or not you are composting with your stories and your photos. The way that we record and verify stuff now is costly and there's a lot of complex equations. But we can publicly
If you have a volume of carbon that you're putting in the ground, like if it is carbon and you're bearing it, it's natural and it's helpful. And that's where it gets into what you can compost, what you can use in gardens. The idea here is to qualify to win the $50 million.
to hit a 1,000 ton per year sequestration goal. Now put that in perspective your average US citizen could do 150 pounds per year so about every 15 people is a ton. So if we could convince 15,000 people to compost we would qualify for the grant funding.
Okay, it's awesome. So then I guess since you're you're how I know we were talking about before you guys are going to pay to compost to reduce the CH4 emissions in squester CO2. What's the criteria for that?
I've been part of the Evergreen Coin community for a long time. They basically they've host a program called Prove of Environment. They will pay you Evergreen Coins for any form of environmental work that you're doing. And this is actually how I accrue to most of my crypto. I've been cleaning up local waterways. I've been composting. I've been doing these things.
for years. Now that I've been collecting crypto, I've been saving it, I've been learning different ways to leverage it to further my goals. I'm going to use a large portion of what I earn to pay it forward. And on top of what they're paying people to do, I'll pay you for a finished compost
volume. So you'll just turn in photos and you can measure it by the bucket or by a smaller container if you're doing it, you know, one liter at a time. But one liter is one pound of CO2 and I'll give you one ever green coin. For the first 22,000 pounds
So for the first 10 tons we do publicly this way. It will be one ever green coin per pound. And I'm doing it this way because this is what I have and this is what I can utilize. That is about $400 paid out for 10 tons. So that's about $40 a ton. If you're a small holder farmer that doesn't call
qualify for like CO2, you know, for all the different carbon credits and various things. The idea is to open up the ability to get paid by this to everybody, not just those that are able to afford these, just absorbant fees to get involved in these systems.
So you're saying that $50 million grant, you're going to use that to also help pay folks? Is that what I just said or? Well, the $50 million grant, the way that I would like to see the funding, we would have to do, because that's the grand prize. We could get a smaller prize. So the competition will be
based on percentages of one funding. But to put this in perspective, I'd like to find 10 teams that would get 2% of what we're doing, which would be a million dollars, which would be put into locked liquidity for their program. And we can do this easily. We can bootstrap it right to their project with tools already
available, we can put it into a system where no human has the keys to access it again to give their program future, like longevity on the markets and future funding. And part of this is trying to restructure how we look at funding philanthropy, how we look
funding public works. This is a way that we are going to use micro, like the micro economy, you're going to use these systems to gain personal assets and grow your personal savings. Macro economy, we create a demand for these tokens that are being paid out, created
and paid out for this work. This allows us to use the DeFi systems that have already been created and are already publicly available for everybody to rework how we view our savings and funding of philanthropic efforts of the future. And this will be a trial run of that to some extent.
But 10 teams would get a million dollars in lock liquidity and I'd like to get 100 teams with a hundred thousand dollars in lock liquidity because that would create the automated market needs that would fund this philanthropic effort as well as the proof of environment effort indefinitely.
I love it. I love this. So where are you now? How many teams have you found so far? Honestly, I can find a lot of low income people who are interested in helping. They can evolve for a little while, they do what they can, but then
and real life has demands. So part of it's coming to Twitter and finding people who aren't refugees or homeless or people who are in need of this program to find people who want to support it and may even have the ideas that crypto can change the world.
- Okay, well before I ask any other questions, I just wanted to check in on my listeners here. Does anyone have any questions, does anyone have any input on this competition?
How can we help? Is this like a people voting kind of thing or how you could help is start composting start recording it you know I know your mom probably compost get her involved you know part of it is also crypto is a lot about speculation what's it going to be worth what's the
value. Evergreen coins worth two cents today. If we have a successful competition and we put $25 million of locked liquidity into it, minimum possible price is $1.60. Now realistically it's going to be much higher than that because we're not going to get 100% of the coins on the market.
And this is also where people talk about legalities, things like that. This is a competition of skill. And that's where, like in the U.S. where I'm operating from, my business is a sole proprietorship. I have a million dollars in operating
insurance in case something goes awry. But yeah, it's had to do these legal steps, but it is also like that also helps us know that we can do this and there's follow through on the back end once we see success from the collaborative front end. And most of you guys are in
with other projects, other communities, your friends, your families. And we can look at the number game and crypto is just by far the easiest to scale up and decentralized efforts make more environmental sense, like that sometimes they're harder economically and that's where
I think crypto and assigning value to various things comes in and will make a lot of difference in the future. And that's also, Evergreen Coin is very general good. It's not like we're going to solve this problem or solve that problem. We want to help you solve all the problems. Like we'd like to see every one of you guys is, you know, you starting a project to solve a specific
We would like to see you succeed to the point that you put yourself out of business because problems actually get solved. That is the long term dream of our community and what it has always been. It is just to find ways to help people do more. Over the years we have done a lot.
The value of the coin is up by over a thousand percent since launch and all we've ever done is give it to people who worked for it. And philanthropists with Baudet. Recently we've started to be able to integrate these DeFi tools and they're adding a new layer of complexity that allows the community to participate in a new way that doesn't
costing them straight out donations. Basically, every day I earn Bitcoin, Ethereum, GoldTether because I have all these liquidity pools against Evergreen Coin. So I guess every day Bitcoin moves because our market is fairly lazy, but it allows me to continue to support
the efforts of all these people while I'm still creating personal funding instead of the previous model was me just always giving my money to these people which I didn't mind doing because I felt like they needed it they earned it they deserved it but now I've been practicing I've been utilizing these new tools and I'm have to say over the last year a little bit longer
longer than using them, I've seen very positive results. And I think that it's important for me to share that with you guys. And even if you're not like, oh, I'm going to go help this project, this knowledge can help all forms of public works and philanthropic efforts. And it's important for us to make it public and share it.
Awesome. So I see that there are a few, well, before I go on, I see a hand up. So when I was a question, let me, uh,
Go ahead and speak, sir, Harkett. Did I say right? Harkett?
Yes, sir. Just a quick question. Is it you mentioned that you want the project to be accessible to people and you know in the global South like that, you know, don't may not have a lot of money
So would this be like web too, like as far as sign up, will they be able to like go and register on a website too or to take pictures of what they're doing in their composting or do they have to like create wallets and so on?
To get paid they need an evergreen coin address. You can get an evergreen coin address that is custodial by the solar web wallets or joining the discord. If you want to have a custodial wallet there are the core node that you can download.
this few different options. But we did try to make it as easy and as accessible as possible. A lot of the people who are participating from the refugee camps and stuff just use Discord and honestly they just sell their coins and peer-to-peer transactions to philanthropists generally.
who are better versed in the crypto space. So like there is a lot of need for people to come in and help educate people on how to use these public markets. I've spent a lot of time over the last several years teaching as many people as I could. There's always more people, there's always going to be more efficient ways to
to do it. So I'm definitely asking for help on all fronts. There are no shortage of people in the global south that I've met that are like, "No, I don't want paid for doing work." Every time I've talked to somebody, they're like, "If you can actually pay me, I'll start working right now." The problem is, is the
reward structure is still like we can always pay them evergreen coins but the value of those evergreen season all hasn't always been there historically. Now that we have some DeFi tools it's actually becoming far more stable we're able to see that say that here's probably what you're going to be able to get out of it.
I do see that that's going to help us expand into these communities who have tested the waters and collected some coins, but because of how volatile it is, it can be difficult for people who don't have the time to just watch the markets honestly. They got to do real life stuff.
So yeah, I do have a question now I see that a few people have a familiar people have joined on and they might have missed it and you might not have touched on it or you know I might have just again missed it so you said
start composting. Now how would someone do that? Is that just going to be quite literally I go and give me a compost machine? How are you going to track and verify this? So I'm just curious how do you want folks to just start composting as well as of forced to release
get started. Well, if you want to share your composting experience at evergreencoin.org/poe, they will pay you for the entire process of composting. And then I will reward you one extra evergreen coin per
Our leader of finished compost you produce and use in your local gardens or potted plants or what have you. The composting has large reductions of emissions, it's a equestrian carbon, but then once you start using it to grow, even if it's just basil on your window seal,
You've actually started the carbon capture process in-house as well. You can use the parts that you don't eat like the woody stocks and things that aren't good as flavor. You turn those back into compost and you increase your yield almost exponentially over time if you put effort into it.
Okay, we got it very good. I don't want to check out one to the audience one more time. Anyone have any questions and reference to what's being stated with the competition and how to get involved and what have you
Jimmy, I know you always have some questions or have something to say. So go ahead and speak up if you need to.
I think he might have fallen down to, listen for a second. Oh, no worries. But yeah, a lot of stuff people can do. The prize is the grant is from an outside place and then the internal competition will be
between the RIFI communities, and you don't even really have to be a RIFI community to support RIFI and become a RIFI community. This technology is powerful, and if you're like, where the Dodge Coin do good,
everyday people and you're like we're going to support carbon sequestration and litter clean up and do all that stuff. All the sudden Dodge is a refi project. Like once it is doing verifiable good in the world, you can change the tone of any community.
I do want to see what else you had to say. A couple of things I wanted to go over with you. Just wanted to touch faces and see one if anyone had any other questions with the competition. Two, if there's anything else you wanted to go over, specific about the competition.
Looks like Jimmy's back. He's got some questions happy to answer them as well. - Okay, so I'm gonna make an effort. I'm gonna finally go through the full process of every coin. I know it's not that long process. I just like have 80s sometimes. But so let's wrap up. - Chill, chill, chill.
a bunch of the like what are what are a bunch of the ways that people can you know do everyday good so you mentioned you mentioned composting okay so that's a big one you know punching trees for example or gardening in your backyard what do I mean like picking up plastic
like what are some of the other things that you've noticed? Maybe we can make like a short list, just like, you know, and I can post these too. Like here's a bunch of examples of things you can do and actually get some cash for it. So, you know, so one of the things. >> So, actually, the reward is very, very broad because there
the idea is just to encourage education and action on all levels. Something as small as an observation can get rewarded if you're just like I appreciate the beauty of today and you got some photos. Of course you won't get much but you'll the community publicly votes on it. Now things that tend to score
are cleaning up litter composting. There are people who like some farmers turn in cover crop plantings and stuff like that. Sometimes they don't score as well but like the no tail farms definitely score better on the community. Basically if you're doing anything
in your life to try to make an improvement, we want to know about it and encourage you to do that. And it's not always a huge step. Today I thought about the laundry detergent I use and I've decided that I'm going to buy the kind that is not half-water.
because the environmental impact is way worse. These are the things that you could be doing day to day. Now I am somebody who is like, let's find an extra way, but it is the same things that you've heard over and over again with reduce, reuse, recycle, circular economy.
to reduce your environmental impact as well as improve your local environment. Depending on where you live, they will vary a little bit. But generally, do the things that you've heard about over and over again. That's why they keep repeating it is because there's evidence that it actually works. We just don't get enough people actually doing it.
like every expert I've ever talked to, like I've talked to rooms full of people doing these carbon, you know, capture contest, people starting multi-million dollar companies, and every one of them I've talked to, I'm like, does this work? And they're like, yeah. But I'm like, okay, so why don't we do it? And they're like, I don't know. I'm going to go back to building my company#
it works, we know it works, we should just do it. Like I don't understand the dilemma here other than we can't centralize it and control it as much. The money is going to go out to lower income people instead of funneled from the top down, which ultimately I think is going to be better for
the entire, you know, upcoming revolution that's going to happen one way or another. The way technology is coming, there's revolutions on the horizon. And including the most displaced people, the most impoverished people, we're likely to get the best outcome towards the end of this revolution.
Awesome. Awesome. Alright, so, yeah, any new members that just joined or we do, there's another question. Let's hear it green, palms. Hey guys.
Can you hear me? Can I hear you loud and clear? Okay, cool. So many of our old folks here, Jimmy, hey, and James. So the question I have here is, is there a particular manual of, you know, composting that needs to be followed because different people will be composting in different
ways. For example, if there is a community composting plant, for example, or in many places they could be having open lands, you know, backyard where they would compost directly into the ground, not in containers or vessels that can be measured in terms of leaders or
something. So is there a particular methodology that needs to be followed in order to comply with the MRV protocol, so you know, measure, report and verify? For our measuring reporting and verification, you will need to be able to measure it
volume. Now this is probably the crudest system that we could create, but it also gives us the access to the most people. It's the easiest to verify. Do you have a bucket of this material? Yes or no? Did you add it to the garden? Yes or no? And that's also another thing. It's every
expert I've spoken to said that there's a lot more carbon capture and sequestration happening in the things that I'm doing and I can't measure it so it doesn't matter. I can't measure that in the middle of a refugee camp in the middle of nowhere for nothing. And that's what we need to do to be able to
access these labor forces. And that's what they are, is they're displaced labor forces. If we look at the human population as the potential to heal the planet, we can accomplish our goals of saving ourselves and the species that are around us fairly quickly. We just need to be more encouraging and supportive of one another.
What is the approach for communities that do not have access to Web3, like you say refugee camps or indigenous people all over the world were willing to come on board this project, but they
not have the access to web 3 tools or they don't know what crypto is and how to do that. So is there somebody who can do this for them like you receive the payment on their behalf and kind of have an understanding between them that
he would convert that into the local fiat and pay them. If they want to create a team of some sort and have one person that can do this that is always allowed and even encouraged if it makes it easier. We've had some people who
working on ways to get more people to be able to participate. A lot of it's coming through volunteers who are transferring stuff from Facebook to the website because Facebook is, they took advantage of the lack of
of net neutrality in a lot of places so the refugees can use Facebook for free. So we are finding ways that we can gather up these different types of work and submit them and get money to people who are not as knowledgeable about these systems.
Okay cool. So basically what needs to be done is approach people and ask if they'll be willing to come on board. At least if they're doing this anyway, if there's a way for them to just find a bucket or a container to just measure the waste that's being mixed with the mud for the process of composting.
So does that make sense? We just ask them. We can do waste measurements mixed into soils as well. The calculations are a little bit different, but they're, again, not super difficult. You lose about 50% by volume.
Okay, cool. So, yes. Any, any how someone's doing it, if it's happening in the right way, ultimately it's going into the soil to enrich the soil and sequester carbon. There is a methodology to measure the amount of carbon that it would capture.
Yeah, and that's where we do measurements of volume. If you do I use five gallon or 20 liter buckets for my personal measurements at home, one bucket of grass or leaves is about two pounds and CO2 wants it decomposes.
It's a question about two pounds. Wood chips and heavy fibers like that are about five pounds per bucket. Charcoal and compost are about 20 pounds of CO2 per bucket. And we need to use a system that is as simple as per bucket to get people who
are in these, you know, hard to reach places to be able to understand and to participate. But it also allows you guys to participate at home. Like I said, one later, you know, you have average person wastes about in the US wastes of pound food a day. Global citizens, it's about a half
a pound of food a day. So if that's even global citizens, you know, it's 30 people a ton. So we get 30,000 people in the world to compost. We can not only sequester a thousand tons per year, but we could offset another 3,000 tons per year.
And that's just food waste. That's not counting things I'd like to do like invasives, invasive species scavenger hunts and things like that to add to the eukarbon count.
right? And there's also farm waste if farmers can come on board and use their agricultural ways to join the competition. So you would achieve those numbers much faster, wouldn't you? And once there's value, people will ask how to get it. And that's kind of where
I've talked to them but usually larger farmers are like I'm too busy. It's not worth enough to do these extra steps. I've contacted communities and I've gotten a lot of feedback and that's also where I'm coming to the crypto community. I want to talk to you guys about speculation. What do you think we can do? Do you think we can win this
contest. And that's also for us to win the contest, we need to to sequester carbon, we need to capture it by growing things, we need to sequester it by composting or making charcoal where appropriate. But for internal purposes, I was just going to use Evergreen Coins
as points and it creates demand for this currency that I know is in the hands of homeless people and refugees around the world. So if you guys start buying points, it's helping the right people. If you guys start earning points, that's what's kind of the goal to begin with. It's all to encourage
this kind of stuff. Like I said, if we win money, it will all be divided up by percentages into the teams that help us get this most, which again, it doesn't cost money to get evergreen coins. Whereas most crypto projects, there is like a ticket price. You got to pay the price to ride.
I'm not going to pay it forward, but I'm also going to help the people who helped me.
Great. So the thing is, is there a start date for this competition? Or is it like you start today and within a year you need to make a thousand tons of competition for like two years?
years and I've put 30 tons of carbon in the ground basically by myself as a proof of concept. I do about 10 tons a little over by myself. I only have access to about a quarter acre of land and local waste.
So how long is the competition going to last for? You've been in it for two years? 2025. Okay. So, you know, I'm curious. I don't know a great deal about composting. I know a bit about planting trees. For example,
case swap, right? You can go into case swap, click on the button, play some trees, pretty simple. I'm wondering if to help you out, there is a mechanism to put in place somewhere as green palms or soms. I'm sorry if I'm saying your name wrong. As mentioned, to track
this right? I wonder if there's a way that you could have team elsewhere who doesn't have access to these technologies, but I could go online right now. Again, example, case, what? Click of a button and plant some trees, but this time I do some composting. I wonder if that's a possibility.
I mean, these funding mechanisms can always be built and utilized in these ways. Now, if you want to just help the Evergreen Coin Foundation improve environment, they are a 501(c)(3) in the U.S. So any profitable business can make donations, make sure you earmark them
for a proven environment if that's what you want it to be used on. So, yeah, any profitable business in the US can donate and get tax incentives and stuff as well. It's been an ongoing project for a long time. There's a lot of moving parts once you get crypto projects that have been going
for so long community members just kind of wander off and build their own things even sometimes. Which is wonderful, you know, about decentralized stuff, but it does get hard to encapsulate it all into, here's what we're doing sometimes. Sure, sure.
I was just wondering, just trying to figure out, you know, you know, you've been doing it for two years, how, how to make it a little bit easier, right? And that was just something that I was thinking of. I don't know the, the technicals behind it or how it would work, but just the thing, right? I definitely think that there could be a streamline
way to do the public verifications. And again, like you said, we can trust certain figures. We can trust certain people. Like I asked you, my mom was composting and I can say that I don't believe it unless she provides photos, but once she does, it's a little harder to be like, I don't think she's doing it.
Of course, today with technologies and AI and stuff, but you can still check metadata and stuff like that to try to ensure people aren't trying to cheat. And that's always a concern with these kind of programs and crypto, I think, is how you're going to stop scams or people from cheating.
Well, scams, I don't know, I think that there's a lot of technical risks and personal risks that go along there. But people cheating, I think, that it's public verification. If the community is always watching and you do something that doesn't make sense, somebody's probably going to call you on it.
Yeah, so now let's I want to see if anyone else had any questions. I do want to before we switch gears here. I wanted to make sure everyone got all their questions out about the competition. Hopefully you guys understand how to get started, how long it's been going, when it started, what have you.
questions. Okay. So James, I want to know your personal thoughts. This is this is you now. I haven't had a chance to get on a Twitter space and compensate with you or Jimmy until now. This is this is a so this is a perfect time. What are your thoughts on
the future of REFY. I think that it has huge potential that is still barely tapped. I think that we are going to see DeFi protocols adopted to fund philanthropy broad scale in various ways where people will build personal wealth while still funding
causes they care about. I think that this technology, you know, decentralized and automated can reshape the financial future of humankind and that's why it's important for us to consider today how we'd like to see the shape of our future and that's where like ReFi is a huge
deal is because I don't think that if every human sold their Bitcoin, the Bitcoin would get to zero. I believe that there's enough automated systems that are already holding Bitcoin, that if humans stopped interacting other than just keeping the lights on, it would still gain value over time due to
the automated services built mostly on the Ethereum network but they're still bridged to collect Bitcoin. And so I also feel it's pretty much the same kind of scenario with Ethereum and most of the large coins that are deep in the DeFi spaces as long as people keep the lights on, there's value accrued over time.
And I personally think that for the ReFY space, the community is a driving factor for this space. Getting connected, staying connected, and helping voice out the similar values within the space.
the space. The next thing I wanted to talk about, I think this is going to be the last piece, you know, we're getting close here. Have you been reaching out to other communities, other organizations? I know we
briefly talked in our DMs that you wanted to get connected. Can you talk a little bit about that and what your goal is with the carbon counting or evergreen? I mean evergreen coins goal I believe is just to continue to operate
and provide its current services. They are looking to expand into some type of rewarding people for learning about composting and environmental efforts. There are concerns. We might sign it off to a third party because legal stuff, but we're figuring out how to do it without
I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do this.
scenarios we lose, but we have beautiful gardens and we've helped improve our local communities. And that's not the worst, you know, second prize, not the worst participation prize we could get is where we educated, we'll have more stuff of our own.
Like that's not a worst, you know, that's a worst case scenario. So, you know, and honestly, that's a great thing still. You're still contributing to the environment, you know, you're doing, you're doing the right thing, trying to save the world. So I commend you on that and I appreciate it. We're all trying to do the same thing. We all have similar goals and interests.
And yeah, kudos to you. I definitely appreciate everybody who puts their time and talents into making these systems, reviewing these systems. Like, I don't mind people questioning, you know, why do you do things this way, why do you do things that
way. Sometimes it may not be the best way that things could be done, but it is what I could do. And it's always better to learn something better, you know. And there's so much stuff that goes on in these spaces, so many people doing great projects. Please just try to help each other out, show support how you can.
Excellent, excellent. All right, I don't think I have any more questions. You know, I really wanted to get on this this source basis. One, I want to get connected with these these other communities. I wanted to, you know, really
have James get his message out there about the competition and what it really is. I mean it's one thing to tweet about it right. It's another to actually hear from the horses mouth. What are you doing right? What exactly is the goal and what's
the plant. So I really appreciate you coming up here and talking with me. And one last time, does anyone have any questions, thoughts that they want to talk about before we end today's spaces?
forever hold your peace. All right guys, I'm going to go ahead and end it again. Thank you James. Thank you Jimmy for coming on. This is recorded. So if you want to go back, you know, came in a little bit later, you want to go back and listen
to a lot of the information that James provided up. We have a question. Okay. All right. Last question. So go ahead. So in your view, because of course everyone should be using this. Everyone should be getting some
benefits from environmental works, happy days, but obviously it can make the most impact in developing countries. So how do you think we can onboard the most people in developing countries to using this? I know we have like John in here and Kenya who's been using it.
But hopefully get even more people. I know they're like, "Refine nodes around the world. Maybe they could collaborate and onboard people." But yeah, what are your thoughts on how we can best get most people using it where it can make the most impact?
I mean, I have friends in refugee camps and in rural places across the global south. I honestly think that it is just lending them know that these opportunities are available. Almost like so many of these people are willing to work so hard for so little. Like, it feels terrible sometimes.
honestly that they make so little and work so hard. And that's also where I think that we as a global population need to solve a problem. These people being given an opportunity to earn an income. Like we talked about illegal loggers
they need money to keep their loved ones safe. And this is where it comes to providing these opportunities, the other side of it. And this is also where things become incentivized or punished to try to get people to do what we want. I'm much
much stronger believer in the carrot instead of the stick. I think that if we can reward people for doing good, they'll do less bad. I think that that's a big part of it. I think that even people who don't care about the environment care about personal opportunity. And this is where
We as the REFI community can use the DeFi technology, the drive of the REFI community to work together and create these opportunities for people all around the world. Like you said, there's the people in the global south in these developing countries that are making some big difference.
But I've also seen people here in the United States, low income and homeless people who have used it to help them get ahead and get that step up that they needed to move forward. And this is where the project is, I've seen these so many successes I could never give up on it.
I'm never shy. Come on up man. So yeah, so the question is, so when we start taking photos or videos and where do we upload all of that?
Very good question. You're going to want to go to EvergreenCoin.org/poe. It will explain at the general proof of environment anything that's turned in there. I will also review and I will send bonuses to anybody who's composting.
Also, if you join the Discord, other people like to share their gardens and what they're doing, talk about it. It's, you know, sometimes if you like gardening, it's a lot of fun to talk to other gardeners. So that's all there if you want to do that. Thank you for asking.
Awesome. And yeah, as you were saying before, like we all know someone in a developing coach. Oh, sorry, if you feed me if you were speaking there, sometimes speakers can't hear each other. But you'll notice the one, right? Who could really benefit from this who wants to make a
positive impacts. So yeah, I think we can all contact someone who would be interested in doing something like this and hit them up every green coin. You said .org/poe, right?
Yep. Also, there's been people who have been collecting these coins for a long time. If you're in a position where you might want to buy some coins, I'd ask you to join the Discord and buy them directly here to peer off of some of these refugees or some of these low-income people who have earned them.
Honestly, some of the refugees don't know how to use the markets, and this just helps with them exiting. So if you're interested in purchasing them, talk to people. You can scroll back over the last couple months of work, see what they did to earn the coins, so you can feel more comfortable about sending your money to them.
There's also public exchanges for people who are more into that. I'm very personable. Yeah, I was going to say that those public exchanges probably are for some folks might be more desirable, but I'm with you. I am with you on being more personable.
But yeah, thank you everybody for your time today. I definitely appreciate it. And if there's any questions you think of later, feel free to DM me.
Thank you so much again James for jumping on this Jimmy you as well and the entire audience is just good. Yeah, we should do this again. I think it's good to stay connected and yeah until next time guys.
Thank you, it was a nice space to be in.
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Alright guys, I'm gonna jump off here and then again if you if you missed anything you can re- listen to the space alright later guys