Hi guys, it seems like there are massive tech issues that are happening in Twitter.
So pardon us for any challenges that come in, but we're hoping that this can be addressed
If you can hear me, can you just give me a thumbs up, please?
I can see many of our ambassadors, team members, many crypto aficionados have joined.
So, just a quick show of hands, are you looking to invest in FIRE on December 5 once we are
If yes, if you have something interesting to share about what's making you interested or
excited, please raise your hand and I'll invite you up on stage.
And similarly, if you're not looking forward to it, I'd love to hear the reasons why.
You know, one of the important things to keep in mind when we build any kind of community
is to, you know, listen to all kinds of feedback that come in.
So what we want to do is to really invite people to, you know, to share what they've been up
And personally for me, you know, I can see Prateek has joined.
And hopefully his connection will be fine, is the combination of our community consensus
mechanism and future outlook, which is demonstrated through partnerships of our business model,
something that personally excites me.
Prateek, because, of course, I work at FIRE, but I'm also, you know, really interested in making sure that
we all succeed, because in this particular environment, we are all in this together,
and either all of us win or all of us collectively bear the losses.
With that said, I was just going to turn it back to Prateek.
So Prateek, I think you described very briefly what about the tech and community is exciting you.
Let's start with the community.
You have seen a big shift in the community's attitude towards blockchain in general,
and what we're seeing at FIRE.
What's the change that you've observed?
And what does that mean for the company and the community?
Yeah, first I have to ask, am I audible?
I don't know what's happening.
It's just probably, you know, Twitter in Dubai.
No, today it's been tricky everywhere.
Well, I think you heard, you guys heard me when I said that the tech piece of it,
wherein like what we're building in phase two, is something that really excites me.
As far as the community is concerned, I feel it's, the community is definitely getting a bit more matured.
So, people now talking mostly about use cases.
And of course, we have also made a fair share of mistakes by, you know, and it happens to every single project,
the growth pains and so on and so forth.
And we've always bombarded, if you look at the past two years of a trajectory of FIRE,
it started from when launch, which sometimes also happens, to now pretty much every single call that I have with investors
or even in terms of the community engagement, it does really go towards what are you actually building,
why will it sustain and how will it sustain in the next months, years, even decades, if I may say that.
So, I think that's the shift that I've been noticing.
And it's sort of a coming of age of the industry itself.
I mean, I was very young during the dot-com bubble, but I think something really similar happened back in the day
where you were able to create a website and have it valued at $20 million, which was kind of a sham.
But at the same time, the Amazons, the Googles of the world also came out from the same dot-com bubble.
So, I think we are going through the similar stage.
A lot of people, a lot of companies will come out still, which will create use cases that we haven't thought after.
And that's what really, really excites me.
And that's what I think community is now beginning to understand as well.
That's why, in turn, it really excites me what we're building in phase two, where it has, I mean, the sustainable consensus.
It's, of course, it's our baby.
I really, really understand that that's the core offering of the company.
But how it has been transformed and morphed to be able to be used in Fortune 500s and government,
just something that FIRE will be looking forward to in the next few years.
And I think that's closing relates to finding the product market fit as well.
So, yesterday, we had a demo day.
So, we want to tell you, community members, that we had a wide range of presentations from people who have been building on FIRE.
And we heard some fascinating applications from digital water to making environmental sustainability at the core of all pursuits.
And all connected, you know, through a blockchain powered by sustainability.
So, talk to us about some of your reflections from the demo day, Pratina.
What's the kind of feedback that we received?
I think, of course, there were, what, around 15, 20 demos yesterday.
And most of them, of course, were, were very unique in terms of, I think what we're, what's happening is that we are attracting a very, very unique set of builders.
Wherein, the, your regular, of course, there were people who, who came up with market, market makers, DEXs, AMMs, and all of that.
That part of it was there.
But what, what really surprised me is that 60% of the projects were outside what you think is what's traditionally blockchain.
Wherein, a lot of this had to, had to do with tracking, you know, carbon footprints, trees, so on and so forth.
People were already making a difference.
I mean, today also, I mean, you don't know, Utkarsh, but I spoke to a project that, that has already been, you know, transforming the world in terms of, in terms of planting millions and millions of trees at a stretch they want to build on us, they want to track through us.
So, I think what really excited me is that we are attracting a certain niche of, of developers who are not just programmers, but also sort of a mix, a pretty unique and crazy mixture of, of philanthropists, programmers,
businessmen, and, you know, everything in between.
So, I feel, I feel that's what, that's what our core value is going to be.
And I think we'll keep on attracting people who will, who will start building solutions, just not for themselves, but for everybody around us.
And that was a, that's the, that's the core value of FIRE.
And while doing this, we'll be making money.
Remember the, the project that was doing the cleaning of, of shores in, around, around South Asia, especially the one who showed the Mumbai beach.
He was saying that I don't want to come across as a person who's, who's just doing charity and, and then everybody in my team is poor.
I'm doing this while generating profit for the company and then he showed us the, the, the profits.
So, I feel that's something that's really music to my, music to my ears, wherein people are making money while they're doing something good.
And that, that's how we started with FIRE.
That's how the core principle of Fifth Industry Revolution started as well.
So, I think that's, that was really amazing to see.
Yeah, let's stick to the theme of product market fit.
So, I think when we move, look at web one, web two, web three companies, there's an emerging space called web 2.5 companies, which will be companies that will move from embracing the platform driven web two model, where most of the data and power is accumulated with the platforms.
So, to a more decentralized web three model.
And in between this web 2.5 companies are companies that we get at FIRE are looking to handhold and make them web three.
And what this will do is that this will include a lot of Fortune 500 companies, companies who are looking to embrace and embed sustainability at its core.
But it's easier said than done.
And listen, until there is, you know, an immutable ledger of records, even calculation of something like an ESG score can be really challenging.
So, in pursuit of our product market fit, we look at developing this ESG as a service business model.
And I know Pratik, you've discussed this with a wide range of stakeholders.
What's been exciting to them?
And what, if anything, we've been skeptical about this ESG as a service model that we hope to champion?
I mean, the skepticism hasn't been lost on us.
I mean, there is a lot of greenwashing happening.
And most of the companies, if not, I mean, majority of the companies don't want to really be sustainable,
but want to keep the, you know, the semblance or they want to keep the story going.
It's changed pretty heavily in the past two years itself.
So, I think that's where, as you were talking about product market fit, that's not really their fault as well,
because the space is so new that they don't know how to really adhere.
All they need, all they know is to buy some carbon credits and be done with it.
So, that's why the product market fit, as you said, is important as far as Friars' perspective is concerned,
and hence the community's perspective, that we are bringing them a solution.
So, imagine if this decentralized system of no democratizes data, that is ESG data,
you can basically have a partnership with governments, in which we are talking about,
with a certain government who want to bring the regulatory.
I hope that really happens.
But, what we have pitched to them is that we'll be making sure that all the industries within your country,
every single one of them has a Chief Sustainability Officer, which is a CSO.
Now, they don't know how to make head and tails out of their own job.
So, they have their own sustainability KPIs, and we are giving them an entire set of tools from calculations,
to also then how to make sure that if you are not that green, become more green, or get your score up.
So, we're giving them an entire suite of solutions on how to adhere to their own,
or, I mean, adhere is probably too weak of a word,
but to make sure that all their sustainability KPIs are matched.
And that's very important for every single company in the world right now.
They want to do it, but they don't have the tools to do it.
And the toolkit is what we want to provide as to become the right product market fit.
I guess I'm clear, but I know it's a bit of a complicated topic.
But in phase two, FHIR will ensure that every single company that comes into a fold into the ecosystem
is helped from a very ground, you know, grassroot level to a pretty high level
to make sure that the sustainability KPIs are matched.
Yeah, just finishing off of what Prateek said,
essentially being compliant towards sustainable development goals
is a large market opportunity as well as a social opportunity.
Just to adhere to these goals is ideally being too complex in the past
So, what we are trying to do is to just standardize the framework of assessment
and then embed our infrastructure in the background
and become essentially the playground on which being compliant
and being environmentally sustainable makes business sense.
for all the companies, because they have to.
They are mandated by the United Nations to report their structures by 2030.
And there are just six and a half years less than that left.
So, we see it as a huge opportunity for social transformation and public growth,
which, again, leads us to the product market fit.
A lot of the demo day conversations that Prateek also referenced
are very much in line with achieving this product market fit,
because we will always be the playground.
And even this token launch is very much an opportunity
to give our community members, which is all of you listening,
the provision to partake of the larger play.
And I think if we can all really embrace the vision and mission
of the founding principles of FIRE,
you can all help us create and look at new platforms
that can be built on top of ours, and that will be exciting.
So, DAPs and interesting applications that are mission-focused
And we have tried to design our technology and documentation
in a way that makes sense to us.
Yeah, not just design, even the evolution.
I mean, this whole thing that I spoke about,
the evolution of technology itself has been pretty much
based on what Utkarsh is saying.
It's not that we thought of an idea and then we are not open
I mean, the phase two has been a massive change
in the way we think as well, because my eyes personally
and also the team's eyes were really opened up
by just going to the market and understanding
what can come after the sustainable consensus.
So, our design and evolution will both be based
on what the principles of Utkarsh is talking about.
Let's look at some of the educational elements
So, we've partnered with a wide range of organizations.
You're in the UAE right now.
I know you were part of a workshop, a series of presentations
and discussions at Abu Dhabi University.
So, are you seeing this general excitement localized
to a few geographies or are you seeing this overall
and what does this mean for the larger blockchain ecosystem?
It's definitely overall, but I think, I mean,
I only have to, you know, praise the government over here.
I think they provide a very good tool, you know,
a toolkit, a set of principles within the government
to make sure that, to ensure that there's a lot of innovation
So, I think they're taking the lead here
and I think that's why we are here
and we want to make sure that we will be here for a while
because they are not afraid of implementing new ideas,
which is something that they really enjoy.
But having said that, I think it's happening across the board.
And it's, yeah, please, carry on.
We're seeing this in the UK as well, where I live,
universities that are deeply interested in engaging with us,
getting students a kind of an exposure.
In India, we are partners with the government there
and our curriculum on blockchain fundamentals
is now being implemented by schools all over.
So, we want to be, you know, take on this role
as an industry partner of governments
at different state levels and national levels.
We think we expose the world to the whole possibility
of blockchain and what building on top of that means.
And we have a role to play in that
because right now the uptake of all things crypto
and blockchain at a macro level is limited.
So, we see ourselves, again, always think of fire
in terms of community, the consensus mechanism
And these partnerships are focused on education,
DAP evangelism, providing grants,
nudging people who are already doing important things to scale.
But one question that keeps coming back to us
is like, you know, building token
and token utility and so forth.
So, do you want to share some comments on that
and what's been the team's response internal
within the company and with external stakeholders?
What are some of the dominant questions that come up?
You mean in terms of how will we build equality
Like, you know, what are the possible use cases?
One would be that, like, you know,
people within the company have started
taking part of their, you know,
because they truly believe in it.
And I think it's a good stuff
because this is going to be a slower process than usual.
there's a lot of excitement about the launch.
And we see that becoming more and more mainstream.
Similarly, we are seeing that with a lot of our partners,
they are starting to explore the idea
of accepting and making transactions through Firecoin.
And that utility element will be huge
towards a future success.
what we have realized in the past few months,
is that if you really look at most of the blockchain companies,
and I mean, I have utmost respect for most of them,
but one thing that we are missing in the industry
is that most of the, you know,
of the value that a company derives
is fueled by the token itself.
So if you look at most of the blockchains,
they aren't really making money.
What's happening is that they're making,
they're making a lot of revenue
from the buying, selling, trading of the tokens and the coins.
So that's something that I really,
really feel that somebody has to come in and change.
And that's where in your piece of Web 2.5 comes in,
wherein we want to go to the more traditional companies
and offer them a solution or a set of solutions
where blockchain is more and more important.
And therein, you know, we generate more revenues.
And when we generate those revenues,
they're all going to be associated
and related to the token itself.
see, you have all the other regular blockchain token use cases.
or coin use cases in this case,
which is, you know, staking,
from staking to defy, to validation
and everything in between.
I'm sure you guys all understand that.
But what's even more important,
is to make sure that you have new use cases for your token,
new utilities for your tokens.
So with the new business models
and the revenues that we'll be generating,
which is outside of the traditional blockchain revenue models,
we will be making sure that the token utility,
even expands and increases.
And it is increasing with bigger organizations,
you know, decision makers in government and so on.
So I feel our focus has also,
I wouldn't say divided, but expanded,
not just to build utilities
for the classic blockchain use cases,
but also to facilitate revenue through the token
Yeah, and, you know, like,
a token essentially is a measure of value.
And this value is created essentially
by where all the users think it can be potentially used.
So, you know, ahead of the token launch,
we are very open to suggestions
where you think the token can be linked
with a practical use case.
So we'll be organizing more demo days in the future.
Some of them we can actually focus on token utility as well.
So any and all people who are listening in,
feel free to share your suggestions.
We are very open to the idea
because you have to build a market as well.
We have a lot of forces working in our favor.
but we have to also nurture and shape the market
and handle stakeholders towards building it.
Now, just turning our attention to tokenomics in principle.
So what I'd love for you to talk about, Prateek,
is not, hey, what these are the terms and conditions
because we'll obviously be, you know,
publishing it sooner than later.
But how do you think about,
or how do you think about tokenomics
with regards to the community
and early backers that you've had?
I'm not sure what that actually means to you.
Do you mean what do I think the tokenomics are for FHIR
Just about the principles of tokenomics.
What made you, like, conceptualize it the way you did?
Well, I mean, if you'll be,
if I want to be 100% honest with you,
I feel that the tokenomics could be better
as far as FHIR is concerned
and there's no harm in, you know,
accepting something that can be better.
the tokenomics were conceptualized two years ago,
wherein we did not have as much knowledge as we have now.
So we have to make the best of this hand,
the hands that we dealt ourselves.
And I'll tell you why they can be better.
They're actually pretty good for the investors themselves,
but they can be better for the project.
one of our core principles is the sustainable consensus.
So a lot of tokens have to be designated towards,
people who have higher sustainability scores
so that they get more rewards.
Now they don't get more rewards out of thin air.
You have to have the allocation of the tokens
for them to get more rewards.
So I would ideally have had more in terms of,
more tokens associated towards these validators.
what the hot fix that we have for that
is that we'll be sacrificing some of our own tokens
when they start, you know,
getting unlocked the team tokens
and put as much towards validators
so that the ecosystem keeps on running.
it's a totally different story
many, many layer one blockchains
lock their tokens for at least a year
like this is not a one year project.
It's going to go on for multiple years.
It's good for the investors
most of the investors are getting unlocked
in the first few months of the launch.
And I feel that gives you,
that gives you a good space
to decide what you want to do.
because we are working that hard
pouring as much of resources as possible,
that the times have not been easy
I would implore all of you
to stake as much as possible.
We will be coming up with,
the APIs and the rewards,
in what's happening in the future
in terms of the partnerships
makes it worth your while
as far as investors are concerned,
the tokenomics are pretty good
a tokenomics of an NFT marketplace,
this has been a learning journey
every day we get suggestions
that we have been getting suggestions
that our tokenomics are perfect.
the very reason I asked this question
there were so many discussions
around just good behavior
a lot of these tokenomics,
So from the point of view
we have a core set of people
who've been with the project
our conditions of the token
are going to play out the most
people need to stay committed.
who are involved as well,
because you don't want people
that needs to be mastered.
There are aspects of trading,
the boring old product market bed,
finding the right kind of
that will give the project
that have a strong community
in and around tokenomics.
we want to say thank you to
people have stuck with us
especially over the past two years.
they were supposed to go.
happening in the background
I'm trying to bring you on.
through all those aspects.
to different stakeholders.
and the other stakeholder
because of the messaging.