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Addressing the allegations
Recorded: May 27, 2023 Duration: 2:38:55Space Recording
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Water, melon, sugar.
But it's time I need to feel you, body.
You don't want nobody.
Just lose control, body.
But it's my soul, body.
Let me feel you, body.
To the lights I'm low, body.
So hit my soul, body.
But it's my soul, body.
But let me feel you.
Be the one's a club on Saturday,
Rectin' like a David saying, you don't wanna pay.
Just gotta get your friends' things down.
Raise them round, never look at me like wait.
Now we're in the order of the hero at the bar.
Reapplying it because it came up from the glass.
Then that you get your favorite song.
Come, it's all back in前 to me though.
Boily, boily, boily, close.
Just lose control.
I'm sorry I've been telling you we gotta go.
Would you take me for my wanna?
What's up guys? How's everybody?
Yo, Fitty. What's going on?
What's going on?
Good morning, everyone.
Good morning. By the way, actually, I...
It's like five.
Actually, I really...
We couldn't hear your music. I don't know what's going on today. You're usually awesome. I mean, it just wasn't working.
That's what happens when everybody's streaming in my house, man.
Oh, well, got a bunch of streamers over there, huh?
Yeah, they're streaming Netflix.
Okay.
Gotcha. All right. Well, let's retweet the room, guys. Let's invite some people. Let's have an interesting conversation.
Yeah, Fitty. Actually, I just pinned a very important tweet. 10 tips to get a hot summer bot fast.
You know, summer is around the corner, guys. And if you're probably spending the last few months losing money on meme coins or maybe you lost money on NFTs, but no one trades those anymore.
So, I'm going to reveal 10 tips to get you a rock-hard abs.
Yeah, I'm going to...
So, yeah.
Hydration.
Stay tuned.
It's really important to hydrate, guys. It's going to be hot this summer. The barometer is going to be bad.
Allergies are going to be high, especially if you're in the Pacific area.
Make sure you hydrate. And if you're having allergies, we're going to recommend a couple of good allergy medicines that I think work.
So, we're going to have some interesting conversations. We're going to stay away from the Franklin conversation because – or I don't want to mention his first name because apparently a lot of people think that me and Borovic work with him.
I don't know who he is. I've never met him. I thought it was kind of a fun conversation. You guys were having fun.
But since we're not going to talk about that, let's talk about like abs. Borovic, how many cents –
What about mouth-watering chocolate cake recipe? So, I tweeted this absolutely scrumptious mouth-watering chocolate cake recipe.
You guys have to try it. It's super easy to make. And, man, like you got – have you been craving chocolate cake lately, Bunny?
Or, Fitty? I don't know why I called you Bunny because I was thinking about Bunny.
Because Bunny is on the Ben team. No, no.
Yeah, Bunny. Bunny. Yeah, Bunny. Yeah, it's confirmed. Bunny is working for he who must not be named. But, yeah.
Yeah. No, I actually – let's talk about like the exercise. And if anybody has some good tips or knows how to do some like homemade kombuchas, definitely come up and share your recipes.
I think we're going to have a really cool conversation today.
Fitty, Fitty. Actually, I have a really good poem. So, I didn't write it, but ChatGPT wrote it for me. Would you like to hear my poem? It's about cats.
I would love to.
Okay, okay.
Furry bellies, whiskers twitch. Cats in boxes, life's a glitch. Leaping high or in a ditch. Nine lives spent, but which is which? Milk mustache and laser chase. Nap on keyboards with such grace. Running at the wildest pace. Their purr-fect world, our living space.
That was beautiful. Maybe we could do it again in about five minutes.
Love it. Oscar, Emmy Awards.
It really touched me. Hi, Moon Pie.
Hi, Fitty. How are you?
Good. Moon Pie, let me ask you a question. Have you ever been home alone?
Yes.
Okay, okay. I have. So, I asked Franklin if I should do, you know, 10 desserts to curb your cravings or 10 movies to watch when you're home alone.
Okay, so, you've all seen home alone, right? The number one by ChatGPT was home alone. Have you seen home alone, guys? Who hasn't seen home alone, Borovic? Well, it's the number one recommended movie by ChatGPT to watch when you're home alone.
I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. Be honest with you. Like, the kids were there by themselves. It was a little scary. I don't think we should talk about this.
You don't want to talk about movies?
No, home alone, because that was kind of frightening. There's two movies.
Well, we could go to the second movie, Ferris Bueller's Day Off. That's another classic.
Yeah, he crashed the Ferrari into something. I don't want to talk about that. It's dangerous. What else you got?
Okay, okay. I have 10 movies. I have The Grand Buddhist Hotel. I haven't actually seen that one, but ChatGPT did recommend it.
Inception. That's a pretty good movie. The Princess Bride. I don't remember that one. That's like a classic, I think.
The Secret Life of Water, Mitty. I don't even know what that is. Up? I've actually never seen Up before.
Pulp Fiction. That's a really good one that came out the year I was born. That's a classic.
Parasite. And The Martian. So yeah, that's what ChatGPT recommended. Which ones do you guys want to watch?
I'll tell you. I really want to touch on Game of Thrones. I felt like I was a rug by the last season.
Oh, the last? Wait, which last season? Season 8? Or season 1 of the new season?
The season 1 sucked. The last season sucked.
You don't like the new season? You don't like season 1 of the new Game of Thrones?
I mean, it was weird. Like, it wasn't the same feeling. You didn't have, like, the Khaleesi. You didn't have all that cool stuff.
It's like, you know what I mean? It's just the dragons weren't the same. You didn't have the Nightwalkers.
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not 100% sure about that.
Well, Fiddy, look. Look. I honestly, I like dragons. I like the new season of Game of Thrones.
What I didn't like was the aging. Like, I get attached to the characters, and they're like, nope, we're going to replace them with older characters.
Like, I didn't like that. Like, I don't like when shows do that.
Like, do it after the first season. Don't just during the season. Don't just change the characters.
What we should start doing is we should start streaming some new Netflix shows in Discord maybe once a week.
Or right here on Twitter Spaces. We could literally, so on top of being fitness influencers and food bloggers, we could, you know, we could talk about movies or, I mean, we could write a poll, you know, people want to hear about.
Like, you know what I really want to talk about that nobody talks about? Like, what has everybody done with their EZs?
Like, I like my EZs. Like, they're really comfortable. But, you know, like, you get judged when you wear them out.
Like, what, do people shred them? Do they discard them? Do you wear them?
Like, what are people going to do with their EZs? Like, we never talk about this.
This is something, we should have a whole, we should have a whole segment about this.
What's an EZ?
Those are the shoes that, I don't know if I'm allowed to say his word, Mr. West created.
And then he said some comments that offended certain groups.
We can't talk about him. We can't talk about that guy on Twitter Spaces or whatever.
But the shoes are comfortable. Like, I'm not going to lie. The shoes are really comfortable.
And I'm, you know, I'm challenged with what to do with them.
I have six, seven pairs. And I still like them. But, you know.
Can you sell them? Are they still worth the money you paid for?
I don't know. Is there a market? I mean.
Well, actually, didn't they go up in price after, you know, after he got kicked out of his deal?
I mean, can we put them on open seat?
I mean, you may be. But let's not talk about NFTs or crypto. No one wants to hear about that.
People don't want us talking about that. They want to hear about, you know, maybe they want to hear about,
Fiddy, what are your favorite national parks? How about we talk about that?
Yellowstone. Let's start off with that.
That's a good one. I went to the Redwoods when I was in California.
That trees are so cool.
Yeah.
Those, you can't, like, 15 people to hug one tree. It's wild.
Yeah, it's amazing, man. Those are trees that are, I think, up to, like, 10,000 years old.
So, it's definitely just an amazing thing to see and just witness.
Fiddy, they had that one that you could drive through for many, many years, and then it fell down last summer.
Well, it might be because they cut a hole in the middle of it.
Well, I remember that one, the one you drive right through. That one's gone?
Yeah, it fell down last summer, bro.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a giant hole in it.
There's a giant hole in it for, like, 50 years, bro.
I didn't know. Yeah, I mean, that's wild.
That's a long time to have a big...
They could find a new tree. There's so many trees in that park. I mean, there's so many trees.
Fiddy actually took a truck, and he was trying to drive through it, and it was a little too big to fit, and he knocked it down.
So, I'll tell you, there's some incredible NFT conventions that happened in New York, and I think that right now, we should really take the time, maybe 30, 40 minutes, and go over some of the plays that will be featured on Broadway.
There's some incredible...
Dude, look, look, look. Do you want to talk about Broadway plays? What do you know about Broadway, Eddie?
So, I saw this show with... What was that dude from the... Lev Shriver. It's called Under the Bridge.
It was, like, one of the best performances I've ever seen. If you guys want, I could play a few clips from that, and it's coming again around NFT time.
So, I think it might be a great place to maybe do, like, a little conference right before we all go see a show together.
I think Pepe's releasing a play, too. It's called Over the Bridge.
So, for some reason, CryptoG is not liking talking about Broadway. I don't know why.
I don't know. He doesn't follow me, so he's not getting on stage.
All right. So, let's actually break this down and have a conversation.
So, I'm going to start with kind of saying that there was a lot of DMs, mostly to Borovic.
Possibly to me, but I don't really look at my DMs.
I mean, I will later. I just don't feel like it yet.
Okay. And basically saying that me and Borovic are working with Ben and Ben, and we're doing this, and we're doing this.
And to be honest with you, I've never met Ben, and I'm going to go back and tell him my whole story, how this whole thing started.
But Borovic called me. He's like, do you want to do a space with Ben?
I said, sure.
So, I was actually going to watch the Laker game with my buddy, and I get on, and I see some dude with a board ape, and I'm like, who's this?
He goes, it's Ben. I go, where's BitBoy?
He goes, no, no, that's not who we're doing.
And I actually DMed BitBoy to do a space with me the week before.
And so, I thought we were doing a space with BitBoy.
It turned out it was Ben.
That was the night that I figured out that Ben is the Ben token, which I've seen on my Dex tools, and I had no clue who that was.
So, then we started having interesting conversations.
It became kind of relevant, and we kind of started following that.
And Ben was popping in our spaces.
He started retweeting, and we retweeted, and we were having fun with it.
And we got BitBoy and Ben into space.
And me and Borovic, I sent $1,000.
He sent $100.
I added a little more, and I 3X my money, which is great, because I didn't think I was ever going to see my money.
Never been paid by the team.
Never been paid by Ben.
Never asked him.
The reason I never been paid or asked is not because I don't like to make money.
I'm scared of this shit.
I don't know what's going to happen with Ben, or I'm not sure what's going to happen with us.
I would never, ever take money from him, from the team, because he had people send him meat.
I don't know if it's legal or not.
I'm with you guys.
I'm on the side of Web3.
I'm just letting you guys know.
My main concern here is I didn't want to see anything bad come here.
I didn't want to see another Sam Bankman freed, another catastrophe that would really take more good people out of here.
There's a lot of great people in this space.
And so we've been kind of having fun with it.
It's been exciting.
And I never thought I'd see my $1,000.
I'll be honest with you.
I thought that maybe, especially when he wasn't sending people their stuff that night, I'm thinking, okay, he screwed it up.
So I said, let's get many people on here.
Let's help him.
So I sent him a DM and said, hey, is there anything I could do to help you?
Can I put you in touch with my dev?
And I did.
And they were helping him out.
So this wasn't going good or smooth for him in the beginning.
And so I was trying to do everything I could to help.
I also sent him a DM saying, hey, can you get these people some money back?
Because a lot of people sent money after the pre-sale.
I would love to see the space not get criticized or rugged for people losing their money.
So yesterday he sent back 23E to people who sent money after he said the pre-sale is over.
He also sent $170,000 to people who actually clicked on the wrong link when Aoki was hacked.
And he actually retweeted that.
So I thought that was very honorable.
So I got to tell you, I support him from doing the right thing.
I support Ben for actually standing up and actually refunding money, returning money, trying to do this thing.
Is he doing things perfectly?
I don't know.
I don't really know.
Nobody knows.
I asked BitBoy, I'm like, are you concerned about this whole allegation with SEC or jail time, this and that?
He says, I don't know.
The laws are very gray.
Like I would never do a token and put my name on it because I don't know.
I'd be scared.
I have a family.
So me and Borbic have not taken any money.
I just want to clear that up right now.
And I wouldn't.
Even if he called me and offered it, I wouldn't do it.
Am I going to send more money to this new thing?
I don't know.
Possibly.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
I haven't thought about it yet.
Because I've been just kind of thinking it through.
Do I think it's a good idea to come up with a third coin?
I have no idea.
I mean, I thought.
Fitty, fitty.
So listen.
So here's my thoughts, right?
First of all, no one gives a fuck what we say.
They're going to think what they want.
So I'm not going to sit up here and say, shit, I haven't taken any money.
But I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
People could think what they want.
They're going to have their opinions about me, and I'm going to do what I'm going to do because I know I didn't take money, so I'm cool.
And I literally – the hilarious thing about this is that I went on – so the day that he announced the PSYOP pre-sale and he held that big space with 2,000 people that he co-hosted me and Bunny, that was a lot of fun when he did that.
And then right afterwards, the Bunny recorded space.
You could go back to that day, go to the Bunny official's profile, go look at the recorded space.
He hosted a space literally right after that space ended, right after Ben's space ended.
And during that space, we were all talking about it.
We were all talking about like, whoa, what are the implications?
What are the implications of this pre-sale?
And like literally all of us are saying like, oh, this probably isn't legal or some shit like that.
And so like it's just funny that like if you go back and listen to like the stuff we were talking about that people would think that –
like everything I do is for engagement.
I'm a – like I'm a troll.
I'm like – that's what I do.
I'm here to create content and just talk – like what am I supposed to talk about?
Everyone's talking about Ben.
Am I supposed to talk about – like I guess we could continue talking about like getting a hot summer bod
because maybe people in the audience want to hear about that or maybe they want to hear about the best cake recipe.
I mean is that what crypto Twitter is supposed to be now?
We can't talk about crypto.
We have to talk about like our favorite animals or the best way to groom your dog
or what shampoos to use to battle dandruff or – I don't know.
I don't know what we need to talk about.
Hold on a second.
But like as I said –
Let's go back for something.
I want to touch on –
Yeah, okay.
Let's go back.
Let's go back.
I talked about Pepe.
Like my entire community on Pockup Cakes thought I was turning into a frog.
Okay, I talked about Pepe for a week.
Okay, why did I talk about Pepe?
It was relevant.
Not one person ever asked me if I was working for the Pepe team.
Why?
Because they're not doxxed and nobody knows who Pepe is or maybe somebody does and they're not telling me.
But Ben is – well, kind of doxxed.
I mean I don't know who he is but some of you guys might.
And so now all of a sudden because it's not doxxed so people will make those accusations.
So what the message is here, go promote or work or talk about a project that's not doxxed because then we're not going to think you're getting paid.
But let's do the math on this one.
Pepe or any other tokens, they're still a person receiving ETH.
They're still funny money going around.
It still has the same weird tokenomics.
And they're still charts that are getting pumped and getting dumped.
And at the end of the day, I've been saying the same thing and I'll keep saying it over and over.
So if you can afford to lose a little money and gamble, play with it.
If not, hang tight.
But I really truly think that what excites me about this, it brought a little fun to the space.
We've all had a really interesting time talking about it, breaking it down, seeing what's happening.
You've got BitBoy who's involved, which I really think he's going to try to do something and I hope he succeeds.
Could he fail? Possibly.
A lot of people have failed.
I've seen –
Hey, Biddy, I got a quick question.
I'm trying to cut you off or anything there.
You know a lot more about Pepe than I do.
That contract is renounced, correct?
Yes.
Yes.
See, that's what scares the shit out of me because that means no innovation.
Nothing can happen if we have something.
Yeah, that also means you can't get a drug.
I mean, unless you're talking about liquidity.
Well, not really.
But as far as blacklisted, you can't get blacklisted.
No, but if somebody's holding a big bag and they dump it, that project can go to a half in about four minutes.
Exactly correct.
That's what I'm talking about.
Or let's just say we have some new protocols or new tokenomics that come into play in the next couple of years.
There's literally nothing that can be done with that contract versus Ben and BitBoy and those guys.
They're going to take control and they're going to innovate.
They're going to move with the way crypto Twitter and crypto moves, bro.
Yeah, but it's not even about that.
We're not even talking about like Pepe versus Ben and Sayop.
It's not even about that.
What this whole space is honestly about is just like people thinking that –
like honestly, like I've seen so many people tweet about Ben.
You know, like Jake tweeted about Ben a bunch.
He's been tweeting about it.
He makes YouTube videos.
That's what he does.
He's a YouTuber.
He's going to make YouTube videos.
The bunnies made a bunch.
There's a billion people all over my timeline, you know, making content or tweeting about it
because that's what everyone's talking about.
Like if you literally go and look at my feed, like Nakamigos are super hot like in April.
My whole feed was Nakamigos.
Did Nakamigos pay me to tweet about Nakamigos?
I never even held a single Nakamigo.
I didn't make any money on Nakamigos, but I engagement farm the fuck out of Nakamigos.
So like Pepe, I fucking tweet about Pepe every day all night.
I was the number one Pepe influencer.
Did Pepe pay me?
I just posted a wallet up on top.
It was around $16 million and change on top.
It's probably more.
That was from like a few hours ago.
So me and Borovitz contributed a total of $1,100 to that wallet, okay?
I think I actually added a little more, okay, after the drop, okay?
So there's about $16 million of people who contributed to that.
That is not me.
That is not Borovitz.
That is you guys saying, hey, we want you to do this and we're going to support you to keep doing more.
So I just want to point it out there.
There's people that are sending you money.
I will never tell somebody to send you money.
I will tell you, if you want to send you money and you believe it,
they can't find a single tweet if they search through all of our audio.
I record every space, go through all my space recordings, go through all my tweets.
You'll never see me ever say the word buy or sell, like go buy this or go – I don't talk that way.
Listen, but I'll tell you, the $1,000 I spent, if I never got it back, I would be okay.
And I'll tell you why I'd be okay.
Not because I like to lose money, but I saw a lot of new people come into the space.
I saw a lot of great people join my Apocalyptic Ape community.
I saw a lot of new people kind of come into here.
It looked a little bit like a mass adoption thing with it.
There's 10 million tweets of PsyUp yesterday.
People are coming in here, NASA engineers, rocket scientists coming in here and say,
yeah, I saw this and I'm interested in this.
There are some people that like tokens and have never been presented or seen NFTs.
I stay away from the onboarding word.
And they've come in here and they came into my space this morning.
They're like, hey, listen, I just saw this.
It's my first NFT I got.
They bought one of my NFTs and I really like it and there's a community here.
So I'm looking at this as an opportunity to really network and not just engagement farm,
but really network and meet some cool people and connect some dots and build some really unique innovation
and actually have some cryptos and NFTs work together because I don't think NFTs are dead, guys.
I think NFTs are just starting.
And I just think there wasn't enough tech in NFTs because they weren't delivering what they're supposed to do.
But these token people are really smart.
And if we can get them to work with us, we can help them.
They can help us.
We can do something incredible together.
So that's what I'm excited to be here for.
I never in my life thought, hey, I'm going to become rich off a token that goes from like a market cap to that.
I don't need that.
I do well in my world.
I just – just so you guys know that.
I didn't come in here.
No, these people don't even know what you do, like what you're a real world.
No, but it doesn't matter.
They think you'd risk your life accepting money.
Like they think we'd risk our lives.
But listen, I'm trying to – I've been here six years.
I'm trying to be here for another six years.
But let's go do this.
My apocalyptic ape collection has done about $12, $14 million in secondary volume alone.
Let's just start with that.
On top of that, I do real estate.
I have properties.
I've sold three properties in the last probably four years, and I own a bunch of properties.
So I have buildings.
I have warehouses.
I have apartment buildings.
So I came in here because I like Web3.
I like crypto.
I didn't come in here to find a guy named Ben and make me rich.
That's not why I'm here.
So I just want to kind of put it out there, and I think I would like to challenge everybody
who's listening who actually thinks whatever they think, and I don't really care what you
think, to do something better.
Do something Web3.
Like yesterday, we had a guy that came up and attacked Ben.
Hey, Ben did my logo, and he owes me money.
And I saw a whole thread he put out.
Well, I asked Ben, did he do that?
No, he suggested something.
I gave him $2,000 just to shut him up.
Then the guy came up, and he's like, yeah, I didn't do it.
I didn't do it, but I did say something.
But it was also a Psyduck.
He literally suggested, hey, use Psyduck.
He didn't create the logo.
I know.
But yeah, Ben paid him $2,000.
I know.
People are scamming.
People are lying.
People are cheating.
People are exposing who they really are in this space.
I mean, influencers are really making jackasses of themselves.
I know Seven right now that created a token that rugged people.
I'm not even a part of that.
I've never done a token.
I have not created a token.
I would like to do a token for my project, but not personally.
I put my name on it, because to me, that's dangerous.
I don't know anything about it.
But I would love to have some people come up and talk about it, because I think it's
a good conversation, and we should have this open.
We shouldn't have to put things in threads or put them online and try to ruin people's
reputations or something because of something they're trying to work with and trying to figure
out.
Because look, at the end of the day, if this guy is successful with this and does a great
job, it's good for us.
If he's not, and this is really crappy, it's really bad for us.
So I don't want to see any more bends coming out where people start sending, eat the random
people.
That is not what I want to see.
But I'd love to hear from a few people.
Hey, just quickly, please don't pivot to cake recipes because you're going to rug my
diet.
And I love seeing it, but it's going to fuck me up.
So please, let's keep it to the news.
What would you rather me tweet about?
I mean, that's what I want to know.
What do you want me to tweet about?
I want to see what's happening in the space.
I literally come to these spaces.
I've been an ETHBEN detractor for a while.
I've sat in every space that you guys have done since the launch of this.
And you've been fair.
You have said, hey, we're not suggesting you buy this.
Mess with money that you can only afford to lose and that you're comfortable, which is what
you're supposed to do.
So I mean, I'm here to learn.
And you guys are at the top of the news feed.
So I want to keep hearing about this stuff because this is relevant stuff.
And we also, I literally, the day that lawyer wrote that letter about the class action lawsuit
he was trying to do, I literally DMed immediately, hey, come to my space.
Come talk about it.
I literally invited him on my space to talk about it.
How is that not being neutral?
Then everyone's like, oh my God, the lawyer was paying or blah, blah, blah.
But that was like, that was a real, they, it was confirmed that that was a real lawyer.
That was the real guy.
Many people confirmed that was the real guy.
There's no way in hell that was a real guy.
No, no, no, no.
It was the real guy.
Go look at it.
It was a real guy.
And it was actually, it was actually the real, that's the funny part.
He was actually the real guy.
Not only was it a real guy, but his firm is very reputable and he's tried some huge cases.
Are his other, is there any way, one of you has access to LexisNexus, right?
Can you see if his other cases are that written like that?
I'm genuinely curious.
No, they're not.
They're actually written really well.
I looked, I have access to that and they're written really well.
They're written really professional.
I think personally, I think he put money into that and he felt like he was getting rugged.
He got frustrated and he forgot his lawyer skills that morning and he went to human reaction.
That's what I think.
But Ari Gold's here.
I haven't seen Ari since Vegas.
How you doing, Ari?
What's good, everybody?
You know, I had to drop in when I hear controversy.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
How you doing, brother?
Everything good?
Every day's a blessing, especially if we're alive in the shitcoin space.
Can't complain.
Still got a roof over my head.
Thank God.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I met Ari in Vegas.
I was there with Spotty Wi-Fi.
We're sitting down and I know me and you have a mutual friend, Nicky Diamonds, and it was
pretty cool.
I was just at a party with Nicky and Nicky's been gone from the space for a while and I told
him about shitcoins and I said, what?
Hold on.
Let me call Ari.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Time out.
For everybody in the space that doesn't know, when Nicky first started, all right, I get
a phone call from him and he was watching my story and he goes, bro, how did you just
turn .5 ETH into 15 ETH or something like that?
And I think it was, I don't remember what the project, it was like Safe Moon or one of
those bullshit ones.
And I'll never forget, I go into the office like two hours later after showing Nicky how
to do this setup.
And everybody in the office is screaming, it looked like something got a Wolf of Wall
Street.
I go, what the fuck's going on?
Like, Nicky turned $100 into $35,000 and we don't know how to get it out.
Yeah, so I was, I'm at a party and Nicky's there, we're talking and Nicky's been kind
of down on crypto and NFTs and as soon as I told him, he like, he found your group, he
calls you like, I'm getting back in there.
He's like, I'm calling Ari.
So it kind of shows you, there are people who just love DDG and you know, Stecky, Stecky,
I called him up.
I'm like, Hey, here's a token.
Somebody told me he doesn't ask too safe.
I want something more DJ.
I literally just got off the phone with Stecky where he's trying to convince me that he's
100% all in on, uh, on refund.
And like, listen, I want to make something very clear to everybody in this space.
This happens in cycles every few years.
And it's honestly, there's really nothing behind any of these projects.
Like I want everybody to understand the utility and all this bullshit that guys like Ben and,
and again, I don't even want to call names out because I, I, I like what everyone's doing.
I like that.
Everybody's trying to push the envelopes.
What I don't like is that people are spending their life savings and putting in their family
fortunes on a whim, like not putting it in into something like a Vax or not putting into
something like ETH that's going to, you know, have long-term repercussions, putting into the
poopoo, peepee, caca, doo-doo, like that's going to make me my quadrillions.
And okay, you might get a 10 X, but you might also get, you know, a negative a hundred X.
So just be careful.
Don't ever gamble with more than you can afford to lose.
And Ari, Ari, I, I tell people like, I don't care if it's Ethereum, Bitcoin.
I don't care.
I don't care if it's Bitcoin, right?
Don't, you don't put your life savings in anything.
This is the riskiest asset class known to, known to like in human history.
Like right now, the riskiest asset class currently, right?
You do not put more than you could afford to lose into anything.
I mean, and that's exactly like, it, it, it blows my mind how people, like some people
say, Hey, you could just throw a bunch of money into Bitcoin.
Like, I mean, the Bitcoin is like, yeah, just do all this, put money into Bitcoin or Ethereum.
It's like, dude, don't, don't do that.
Like, honestly, I'd rather someone that take a hundred dollars and gamble it on Pepe versus,
you know, start dumping their life savings into Bitcoin or whatever.
Because, you know, any, any person with a, with a brain could look at Bitcoin and say
a hundred dollars in Bitcoin will not make you a millionaire.
So like in order for them to make any money on Bitcoin, they have to put a substantial
amount of money in.
Same with Ethereum.
Like you can't just put a couple grand into Ethereum.
And that's why, like, but it's also, it's a touchy subject because so many people, you
know, like they're, they tell people to buy this, buy that.
I tell people like, literally like number one thing is make sure you can pay your bills.
Make sure you like have a roof over your head.
And like, this is like the last place you put your money.
Crypto is the, like, this is like, instead of going to the casino, you go to crypto, right?
This is the casino.
So if you're like, you're going to bet on sports, maybe you use that $200 here instead.
That's literally all this is.
And that's like what I've been saying, like a billion dollars.
Yeah.
But instead of, instead of one to 35 odds here in crypto, we give you one to 35,000 odds.
Well, I mean, the odd, the crazy thing about, about crypto is, though, is like, if you're
like in the trend, for example, like I made a bunch of examples, right?
Like, like, like the trend example of, uh, um, knock amigos, they were popping off and
anyone could have bought a knock amigo for semi cheap during the first few days or the
first week.
Like there was a, there was, there was ample time to get in when people were showing them
before they were, before they had this crazy, crazy run to like 0.9.
I mean, it wasn't that crazy to run, but there was like 0.9 or 0.85 or something.
So like in the same, uh, ordinals, you could have inscribed for free.
You were, people were inscribing like ZK shark was inscribing, um, you know, uh, ordinals.
He was inscribing Bitcoin punks for free and they were worth thousands of dollars the next
day.
Dude, you can even go back to punks.
They couldn't even give away crypto punks.
I mean, shit.
And look at it now.
Well, that's, that's going too far.
That's going too far.
I just, I just want to talk about 2023 because if you talk about the history, everyone's
like, well, I wasn't that early, but a lot of us were here all year.
So if you look at opportunities just from this year, I can name them.
There's so many, checks, checks were popping off.
They were pretty cheap for like a while.
They were $8 to mint.
Even if you faded the mint, you could have bought them a little bit afterwards.
And like, there's ample time to notice a trend and get in like Pepe.
Like you could have gotten in the first, first five to six days you could have gotten in
and then you could have at least made a 10 X at minimum.
Like, you know, like, and I'm saying minimum because they, on day five of Pepe, it dropped
down to like 90 million or 80 million markup.
And then the highest it went was like 1.7, 1.8 billion, which is about a 17 or 18 X, maybe
a little more if it went under 90.
I mean, you know, if you guys have ever invested into penny stocks or pink sheet, I look at
it very similar to this because you put a little money into that and there's a chance
they go to NASDAQ or American Stock Exchange, but there's a much bigger chance they won't.
It's a very risky play.
Like a lot of your brokers used to not take that.
Even these days, if you have a Schwab account or Fidelity, they will not take certain things
unless you sign a document saying, I understand this is on the pink sheet and there's big
risk.
So I, and, and the other, an interesting thing about that is for them to get on the pink
sheet, they have to let them, they have, there's a lot of papers they have to fill out.
So they know exactly who they are.
And if they do some wrong, people come after them.
So this reminds me of that.
But, but what's really interesting is like, we have been bringing really like we had BitBoy
and Ben the other day.
We had Ben last night.
We had Ben the day before.
And, you know, I can bring Ben, I can bring BitBoy, we can, we can bring him in here.
Not because I know them, because they're coming in here because they're pumping their bag.
They're talking about their token.
They're saying they want to do something.
I kind of want them to do something cool because I really want to see something happen
with innovation.
Ari has been in this space for a long time.
He knows the token world and it's not going to be too long before somebody comes out and
figures out, Hey, you know what?
We can do something cool with one of these tokens.
We can bring utility.
We can bring some kind of a roadmap.
We can make this work and we can actually have it.
So it's not called a shit coin.
So that's kind of my goal for this.
I want to see these do more than just go up and down.
Like that's not fun because somebody always gets hurt and I don't want to see people get
hurt.
And the more you tell people to send $50, they don't hear you.
They're like, they're just saying that to me because they want to get a bigger bag and
they're going to say, and I'm going to send more and I'm going to make more.
That's the greed of human nature.
But I will never promote you to send something that you're not, that you think you might
get back.
When I sent a thousand bucks, I honestly did not think I was getting it back.
More of us like, what?
He even called me.
He's like, did you send a thousand?
I'm like, yeah, why?
I go, I just want to have another zero.
Then you, he's like, do you think we'll get it back?
I go, probably not.
I told Fiddy, I'm like, why, why would you send a thousand dollars?
I was like, a hundred dollars.
Like, you know, I was like a joke, but I met some great people in here.
I really did.
Like along this way, this has been really fun.
We've had some incredible conversations.
We've had a lot of fun.
I've met some incredible, innovative people that are doing some cool stuff, really doing
some cool stuff.
And, you know, they're talking about these coins on Mario's show.
They're talking about them everywhere.
Everybody's tweeting about it.
And the minute I brought one of Murdoch's project in here from Cacropolis or that chicken
project, they have $2 million per episode already done.
They have $30 million for the next three seasons.
The show's going to be in the fall.
It's an NFT project.
I brought him in here.
You should have seen how quickly the room disappeared because they didn't want to talk
about that.
And Murdoch is like number 13's richest person in the world.
I can bring him into space next week.
His son, actually, not him.
I just got a phone with Matt.
I'm like, can we bring him in?
He's there.
And I'm curious if anybody even wants to hear from him or they just want to hear from
Ben and then complain.
Why are you talking so much about Ben?
Yeah.
So, Fiddy, and before I go, I want to go to dad pants in a minute here.
But I want to say that we do have a space on Monday at 7 p.m.
Eastern with the Dogecoin millionaire or the Slum Doge millionaire.
We have space about IP.
We're going to be talking about, you know, like all things IP.
Can you sue meme coin?
Like how does copyright work?
And kind of like he'll talk about what happened with Grumpy Cats because that was
there's a lot that happened there.
So I just want to let everyone know.
I'll pin it up top in a bit.
Let's go to dad pants.
Yo, GM.
Thanks for having me up here, guys.
Just to preface what I'm going to say, I don't own any Ben,
PSYOP, or any of that stuff.
And I also don't believe that Fiddy or Boro are being paid and not disclosing it.
I think these two have been in the space long enough that would know better to do that.
And if they were, that they would disclose it.
But I think what I'm seeing on a lot of the timeline and kind of like the contrarian
point of view is that like we're not really truly understanding why two of the top influencers
in this space are promoting this project so much and talking about it so much.
It's not something that Fiddy, you said you wish would happen again in this space.
And I agree with you.
I don't think he's really building much.
So far, it's just been token drop on token drop on token drop.
There hasn't really been a community done to it.
And I don't know if that's something that we want to like glorify for the space because
he's selling illegal securities to people.
And the market manipulation on the token doesn't also seem very legal.
So I guess it's why I spend so much time promoting this because I don't really see any other
influencers bunkering down on it as much as you two.
Yeah, I'd push back and say that like if you look at the timeline of how many people
are tweeting about this and like I'm trying to switch to food blogging and talking about,
you know, top 10 movies to watch when you're home alone and, you know, maybe even being
a fitness influencer.
That's kind of where I'm going to pivot to.
You think there's nothing good in this space to talk about?
Well, look, look, no one cares.
No one wants me to talk about crypto.
That's what it feels like.
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
We got to do better as Web3.
We got to bring better content because honestly, tell me something interesting worth talking
about.
Pudgy penguins are killing it right now.
OK, Omni Force.
We did.
No, we did.
We had we had an L1.
We talked about blockchains for like two hours yesterday.
No one cared.
We talked about literally had spaces talking about shit.
No one cares.
Like I've tweeted about ordinals.
No one cares.
I've tweeted about NFTs.
No one cares.
What I've said about Ben, billion views.
It doesn't make any sense.
Listen, I think it's more about like market relevancy, meaning I think somebody said it in here
earlier, you know, it's more about keeping updated with what's going on in the space and
less about the specifics of the space.
So there's a lot of people that are really new that have no fucking clue what layer three
is or layer two or any of these, you know, my new details that we're going over.
So it's kind of boring to them.
But like you said, when we're talking about shit that everybody knows about, like Ben,
it's more just about how we're providing the details to people and keeping them informed.
And I feel like right now it's been a mess of information where and someone said it earlier
to you have to create like these these fucking links, like how this person turned fifty dollars
into four hundred million and and go through these whole channels to get information instead
of it being, you know, served up on a better platter.
I think we just need to find a better way to figure out what the the market sentiment is
and how people can be more informed and educated in less of like a dictator, like in a dictatorship
almost like people are being told what to listen to instead of, you know, having a free platform
to just kind of ask questions and not feel like a dumbass when they, you know, ask a stupid
question.
You know, I agree with what you're saying, but I want to touch on what Daddy Pan said
and you make a really great point.
And I'm actually thinking about like I do think about what people say and I listen.
And if I'm wrong, I want to apologize.
You know what I mean?
I always do.
But I'll tell you something.
We have been really interested in about about how this works, because here's a guy who asks
you to send token to him.
OK, now, is it legal?
I don't think so.
But is it not legal?
I don't know.
We had an attorney, an incredible attorney, Ira, who's Mario's attorney or no, he's he's
actually John.
He was Kim Dotcom's attorney.
Kim Dotcom's attorney came to her space and we asked him straight up, is this legal?
I don't know.
The laws are very great.
This guy makes enough money.
He can legal up, figure this out and make this a security for, you know, 150 to a half
a million dollars or whatever would it cost to do that.
So we're kind of curious, because right now, if you see another token coming out, which
we're not talking or promoting or doing anything about, there's always somebody there on that
other end making money, too.
And just because their name is not Ben, their name could be something else.
But all they've done is they layered themselves on a team that's not doxxed.
So we are trying to see what happens with this.
Will this guy get away with it?
Is it going to be a trend where other people are going to start doing tokens?
I hope not, or maybe it is the best way to do it, because I can't tell you how many
pre-sales I've sent money to in the past.
I never got my money back or just the project got honeypot it or it got rugged.
So I come from the token space.
So I'm extremely interested to see where this is going, because I don't see like literally
somebody like BitBoy who just sent two million dollars to Ben take this token and do something
really shady.
I just don't see it.
Now, could I be wrong?
A hundred percent.
But I think that we're all kind of like looking at this and interested because it is called
PSYOP, which is psychological operation.
And that's kind of what's happening to all of our heads.
I mean, this is happening right in front of us.
And it's very relevant.
It's very interesting.
And we don't know what's going to happen.
The guy did drop one token.
Then he drops another token.
Last night, he's like, oh, I got another pre-sale.
And I'm at the point where I don't know what to say.
I'm with you guys.
I'm like, why?
Literally.
You know what I mean?
Why were you saying that you hope no one else does this again?
Right.
I hope.
And I'm saying I hope nobody does this because he happens to be a guy that seems to be keeping
his word.
But there could be other people, bad characters that may not keep their word.
So I think it's extremely dangerous.
And I think we're kind of learning.
And we've been educating people in the space.
Anybody who's been in our space, we're telling him.
And even he says it.
Ben will say, hey, there's going to be other people that are going to be trying to do this.
I don't know.
I don't know if they're going to have integrity like me.
There could be any NFT project, though.
Whether it's a meme coin, a shit coin, a tension economy coin, or an NFT project.
Like, there's always going to be bad actors.
You know what?
Yeah, no.
If we think...
Listen, this is going to open up.
This is going to open up the world.
If we're going to do it for bad actors, then I don't know.
It just seems like we're just doing it for the clout, not really for, like, driving Web3
forward.
I'll play devil's advocate here.
I think that if we wanted to look at this from a positive perspective, there are going
to be a multitude of new companies and new products in Web3 that are going to be coming
out that will help and protect the space.
I think one of which is, like, Pink Sale.
I don't know if any of you guys have been seeing that, but a lot of people have been getting
rugged on pre-sale.
Well, there's a company that came out that when you send your pre-sale to the site, if
it's not filled or it's not completed by whatever time they have set, everything is automatically
sent back.
It's like, let's go to the wall.
But that's not innovative, right?
DX Sale was doing that on a Binance Smart Chain.
Everyone was using DX Sale back in 2021, where there's a soft and a hard cap.
It is a soft cap.
You know, everyone gets their tokens up to the hard cap.
And if it doesn't reach the soft cap, everyone gets reimbursed.
And an X amount from the DX Sale would be automatically gone to liquidity, and the DX Sale would initiate
the lock-up period as well for you on their site.
So we've already had these.
Like, this isn't innovative, right?
All that's happened was...
Those guys have actually figured out a way how to fix that one, too, because what they
do is when it doesn't get to enough money, they put their own money in there, and they
get the tokens sent back to themselves.
So I've seen them manipulate that one.
Yeah, no, no.
You're right.
You're right.
You're right.
People could push it through.
But what I'm saying is that there are options like this.
There are platforms that use contracts that do this for you, because the whole point of
the blockchain is to be trustless.
We're all here to be trustless.
We're not here.
And in the meta, here's what happened, right?
It embedded and started this meta.
This meta was started right after Pepe launched.
Maybe a few days later, people started doing pre-sales, and everyone's like, hey, here's
a wall, like a Twitter account would spin up.
Hey, send ETH here.
And that's how it started.
And then everyone started jumping on the bandwagon of, oh, wow, instead of using existing platforms
where you could safely do pre-sales, let's just send to random addresses, right?
And that's just kind of how it started.
And then Ben saw it, and then Ben just jumped on.
So it's not like Ben, he didn't invent this.
You know, this has been ongoing.
He just saw an opportunity, you know, that everyone else was doing, and he just did it
himself.
So it's not like Ben, like, yeah, he had the biggest, like this, like he's done the biggest
pre-sale out of anyone in this last two months.
But he wasn't the first.
He was far from the first.
There are plenty before him.
One thing that...
I'll tell you something interesting, Tom, and I'll let you talk.
Ben said to me, and he said it on a space, and he also put in a tweet.
He goes, I'm going to sweep some floors.
I'm going to take out some communities.
So Ben loves NFTs, by the way.
If you guys haven't figured this out, he is an NFT guy.
So I actually think that he is going to literally be the first one to take out somebody's floor
where there will be zero inventory.
And that's something we haven't seen yet.
So I think the NFTs are just getting started.
And I think Ben is bringing some incredible people here.
I had a guy that came in our space today in my chat.
I was with my apes this morning.
And this guy comes in.
He's Chinese.
He goes, I sit in a room.
There's about 500 people.
We're all Chinese.
And there's hundreds of millions of dollars in going to these tokens.
We love tokens.
We didn't know there's an NFT community here.
This is incredible.
I'm going to go buy one of these NFTs.
And he went right there, bought an NFT.
He goes, I'm going to put this NFT into my chat.
And I want to introduce this to my people.
So we were all talking about mass adoption.
We're always talking about onboarding.
We're always talking about how do we bring other people into this community with, you
know, with, we don't have to go outside and looking for them.
They're already here.
They're just looking for a home.
So instead of using this in a negative way and saying, hey, this guy's doing this, this
guy's doing that, make friends with some of these new people.
I mean, look at the followers.
And some of these people that have come on stages, they have 20 followers, 13, 10.
They've been on Twitter for a month, maybe two months, maybe three years.
But they've never been active.
So I always try to find the positive in everything.
So if you guys want to know really why I've been doing this with Borovic, I'm meeting some
of the most fascinating people that I've met in Web3, probably more interesting than
I met in the last year.
Hey, Pitty, can I say one thing real quick?
Actually, go for it.
Before you, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you do, MB has had his hand up for
like seven years.
So let him go next.
No, Tom, go first.
Hey, okay.
I just want to say like Borovic, you were up in Mario space the other day, and I think
that's some of the most amazing use case of any meme coin, you know, making awareness
to everybody inside of the space that people are out there doing all this bullshit, all
these scams, everything else.
I think some of the biggest awareness that I've seen in the space is kind of like a catalyst
from what he's been doing.
And what do you think about that?
You meant like I was on Mario space last night.
Yeah, I was co-hosting.
I mean, there was three different discussions, right?
The first segment was crypto versus anti-crypto.
The second segment at 730 Eastern was about meme coins.
So like, I mean, you're talking about when I spoke in the second segment about meme coins?
Yeah, I just think...
Because there was an SEC, there was an ex-SEC guy there, and this dude was ripping everyone
saying, we're all going to jail, everyone's going to jail, like, the feds are watching
every Twitter space.
And that's another thing I wanted to touch on real quick.
Like, you have to always assume that you're being watched.
So like, you're even, like, taking money, like, in DMs, like, unless, like, me and Ben
went to Mars on Elon's rocket and did an exchange there.
Like, if you're on planet Earth, like, there's no way, there's no possible way I could accept
any money secretly about the government ever finding out.
So why would I?
No, but continue.
No, I was just saying, you know, it's just an amazing thing that, you know, I think the
awareness, I think that every, you guys are talking about all these people and all these
bad actors.
And I think out of everything, this is a catalyst that has taken over Twitter and brought more
awareness than almost anything else in Twitter.
So I just think that's an amazing thing that is a positive thing, like 50 was talking about.
All right, now it's MB's time to shine.
So, yeah, you guys think Ben is bad.
Just wait till Soulja Boy figures out what a shit coin is.
That'll be something for the books.
I'm kind of surprised he honestly hasn't embarked on that yet, because he went pretty hard.
Anyways, I'm getting distracted.
Well, MB, if you want to touch on Soulja Boy did get, remember, the SEC didn't go after
him.
They fined him recently.
And Jake Paul and some other influencers.
But they were doing Undisclosed promo.
You really think that's going to stop him from launching a shit coin?
No, you're right, you're right.
It's a slap on the wrist, right?
He'll be the first rapper to launch a shit coin.
It'll be a great tweet.
Fitty, I do have a question mainly for you.
What do you think about these artist shit coins?
Or, like, artist tokens.
Like, fuck Render.
Fuck Render released a thing that he has a fuck token.
Whoa, whoa, he did?
He did?
Yeah.
When did he do that?
We follow each other.
I mean, I didn't even notice that.
He said you can only buy his work with the fuck token going forward.
Was this recent?
Like, two weeks ago?
I didn't even notice that.
Let's see if I can find the tweet.
I mean, he doesn't tweet that much.
So, yeah, here it is.
It's his pinned tweet.
Oh, wow.
That's how little.
I didn't even check out his page.
I just see his tweets.
Let me go look.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I'm kind of curious because art's more my thing.
Token isn't my thing.
But I'm kind of curious if this is, like, a clever adaptation,
something more artists you're kind of looking to doing, or if it – I don't know.
So, MB, like, I haven't – I didn't read – he wrote a lot there.
I haven't read it yet.
But, like, my initial thoughts is, like, on a token is I don't think there's any –
I don't think it's a good idea.
I mean, like, for one, like, it should be a stable coin, number one, right?
You should – that's the easiest.
Or just use Ethereum, right?
But if you were going to buy a token, first the person has to buy Ethereum
and then take that Ethereum and pay gas fees to buy the token.
And then, you know, obviously contracts use a lot more gas.
So now he has to interact with that contract and then he has to pay even more –
the person has to pay more gas to use that token to buy his art.
So now they're just wasting a fuck ton of gas for no reason and doing a bunch of steps for no reason.
So I don't think it's – and then the second thing is if there's value fluctuation, you know,
people are going to buy it and they could potentially get wrecked.
I mean, like, it's – I just don't – I don't think there's any point to it, right?
The only reason – so tokens actually are not needed for a lot of, like, protocols to work.
Like, for example, Uniswap works fine without a token.
The only reason Uniswap has a governance – obviously it has a governance token, right?
The whole point it even did that with a token for their governance structure
is because they were a vampire attack by SushiSwap and Sushi, you know, release token
and people make – and tokens are how you get rich in crypto, right?
Release token for your protocol, you get rich.
You raise a fuck ton of money, right?
You saw it at Blur, like, making tons of money.
You saw it – they all release fucking tokens, right?
E&S released a token.
Everyone got bad airdrops, right?
But, like, E&S works fine about a token.
Uniswap works fine about a token.
Like, you don't need – a token doesn't do anything, right?
So essentially what's interesting about it, Borovic,
is that if you – he's allowing you to burn his work for his token.
So it's reducing the inventory of the NFTs,
which is interesting from, like, an art perspective.
Scarcity and shit.
But it's – I don't know.
I thought it was kind of – I don't know.
Creative.
Very creative.
I mean, it is creative, but I would prefer – like, it would be honestly better
if he – instead of having, like, a liquid token.
Okay, so the whole – like, the reason I love NFTs so much more than –
so much more than tokens is because, like, first of all, like,
when it comes to, like, what realm does it fall under, right?
The IRS already said they're going to tax NFTs as collectibles, right?
So now you can't write off losses, which kind of sucks for people who have major losses.
And I don't know when this is going into effect.
Maybe next year or the year after.
But – and then also, like, capital gains.
You can't – obviously you can't – you can't be taxed capital gains.
So if you make a fuck ton of money long-term on your board, Abe, you're – yeah,
you're not going to be able to take those, you know, long-term capital gains on that.
But also, on top of that, like, it's clearly FTC guidelines, right?
Clearly FTC, you know, like, it's – you know, we're all customers, right?
Like, Yuga.
Like, we're not investors in Yuga.
Like, I'm not – like, if you want to be an investor, if you want to be an investor in Yuga,
then you should have been part of that $450 million raise they did.
Those are people that have a little bit of stake.
Those are people of stake.
But if you buy their NFT, you're buying a product.
That's like me buying fucking Yu-Gi-Oh cards or Pokemon cards.
I'm not an investor in Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh, right?
You could say, oh, but the NFT is an investment.
Okay, in itself it is.
I could buy – I could buy a banana and flip it tomorrow for more money.
I could go buy water – I could go buy a pack of water bottles and go to the beach
and sell them for an upcharge of, like, you know, 50% or 100%, right?
Yeah, it doesn't mean it's inherently supposed to be a security, like an investment vehicle.
It could be used to flip for money, but so could any – you could literally flip anything.
You could flip literally anything imaginable.
So NFTs just are a little more safer because, you know, there's something there, right?
There's the digital collectible, right?
So there's a piece of art.
There's something there.
So at the end of the day, even if the value of that NFT is zero, you could still say, hey, well, this person bought it as art.
So yeah, FTC guidelines, and it doesn't fall under SEC jurisdiction to where it's like, oh, this is a security because clearly NFTs are not.
But there is gray area.
Like if NFT has like a major – like if they're raising money, right?
That's why they're raising money.
Well, by raising money, they have – they're mints.
They're raising, I don't know, a million dollars on their mints.
But they have a big roadmap, and the roadmap says, hey, we're building a metaverse.
We're building a XYZ that then the SEC can say, oh, well, look, people bought this NFT because they had – because of the assumption that the people behind the NFT project were going to do work, and their hard work and efforts by using the money they raised is going to equal profits for people buying NFT.
But that could be seen as a security, but it's still very, very gray.
But it's a lot more easier to call a token a security because clearly like you only buy it for one reason.
You're not buying – there's no art attached to it.
So if you buy a token, that's just going to say, hey, well, you're buying this token because you're speculating price go up.
Like you could say, oh, but you're buying it for community, but they're going to be like, that's bullshit.
You're buying it because you're speculating price go up.
At least with NFTs, there's a hard argument you're buying it for the collectible.
That's my long-winded answer.
Okay, go ahead and say retweet the room, guys.
We only got 34 retweets.
We got like 450 people in here.
Yeah, that's a bad number.
Let's retweet the room.
We don't – that's like very low liquidity.
That's V2.
But really quick, so some of you guys are apes and mutants, and I've been tweeting out every day ApeCoin.
I still feel ApeCoin personally is a great investment.
They haven't even introduced what they're going to be using for their ecosystem.
We already saw what it's going to do with Dookie Dash.
We saw that.
We saw Gucci.
We see a lot of partnership.
We see some of the people they're bringing into Yuga.
I've been talking about that quite a bit.
Not one person has ever asked me questions or said, hey, that's a great idea, and that's probably one of the best tokens out there.
It's got roadmap.
It's got utility.
You could stake it right now.
You could buy $100 of ApeCoin, probably make your money back quickly just by staking ApeCoin.
You don't even need assets for that.
But guess what?
Nobody wants to look at it right now.
Why?
Because they want to make that million dollars in one day.
They want to make that jet money in 45 minutes.
And I don't think I'm that guy.
I don't win lotteries.
I've never gone to a casino, walked out a huge winner.
I've made a little bit, but I've lost it the next day.
So I've never looked at myself as, hey, I'm going to be that guy that's going to get into Pepe and make $2 million because I'm just not.
It's just not what I'm here to do.
So I think there's a lot of smart investments out there.
There's a lot of incredible NFT projects that are really low right now, and you can go and buy those.
And once that bull run happens, which is not that far away, I don't think, you're going to 2, 3, 4x your money, and it's a very safe, good investment.
But you know what?
Well, Fiddy, I wouldn't use the term investment.
I would say like speculating on the price going up.
I invest in good NFTs.
I think buying a CryptoPunk or buying a Mutant or buying a Bored Ape, I personally call it investment.
I would classify it as a personal investment, but it's not actually like a quote-unquote investment.
It's more like I'm speculating on this piece of art going up.
Yeah, I personally invest in it because I believe the future of that is good.
I believe that they're going to have some incredible things.
I personally know that Gordon is still on the phone with Illa.
There's a lot of things that are going on behind the scenes.
And they don't come out here like Ben, you know, putting things in cap, saying we're doing this today, another pre-sale, send us more money.
They do things smart.
I mean, their last evaluation was $4 billion.
I don't know what they're worth now.
But that's big money.
And somebody I was in the space with last night said, well, why aren't the Bored Apes doing what Target does?
Why aren't they putting ads everywhere?
Because that's not what we're about.
It's a membership club.
And it just so happens that Ben actually used those words last night.
He's like, hey, I'm going to make this like Bored Apes.
I'm going to make this like membership.
He started talking about that last night.
I don't know if you guys heard.
So, you know, we've been bringing it to you guys and we've been bringing them in here.
And if people here feel that, hey, we had enough of Ben and we want to talk about somebody else or something else, that's okay too.
But I really want to hear from you guys.
I want to know what you guys think.
D.Y.L., what do you think?
Yeah, well, I wanted to touch on what you guys said with the creator coins and, you know, art coins, because I think there's something more there.
And you got to understand, like, of course, there's going to be scams.
You know, there was plenty of NFT scams.
Meme coins could be even worse.
But either way, there's going to be scammers, right?
There's going to be founders who are opportunists that aren't actually trying to build anything for the space.
But for me and the way I see it is, you know, 80, 90 percent of the money in Web3 is in DeFi and a lot of liquidity is there in DeFi.
Right.
And what's happening with MemeFi and these meme coins is an opportunity for creators to build something, a new product for the DeFi community, for the DGens that are buying into meme coins and coins who wouldn't really buy into NFTs otherwise.
Right. And so, like, I think there's a huge opportunity here for creators to tap into a completely new market.
And it doesn't have to take away from the NFTs at all.
You know, I think that by building out horizontally, you bring in a lot of new people.
Right. So I really think there's a huge opportunity here.
I don't think it's at all pointless to drop a coin as a creator.
And I think there's a lot of ways you can build use cases with it where it's not a security.
Right. I mean, there's there's a lot of ways that you can add utility to it and make it useful within your ecosystem, useful with the NFTs.
I mean, I think there's, you know, questionable and less questionable ways to do it.
But when you focus on utility, you focus on community products and services.
I do think there's a big potential here.
And at the end of the day, this is a way for creators and artists and people to get funding from at least half of the crypto market is into coins and tokens and only wants to mess with that side.
They're not really buying into NFTs.
So, I mean, I've seen the potential of this and, you know, a major change for me since getting into this opportunity.
So that's how I view it.
And I think it's going to be huge.
Like we're seeing the very beginning, you know, and right now here's what's happening.
Everybody who's a creator is too scared to do something innovative with a token because of how much FUD is around what Ben is doing and stuff like that.
Right. So that's my opinion is that people are very afraid to launch a token right now.
You know, especially with all the lawyers saying, oh, everything's a security.
But the same thing was said when we were launching NFTs.
OK, like nobody talks about that now.
But when I started doing NFTs, people said, oh, it's all security.
Oh, there's no way to do this.
That's not a security.
And now it's just well accepted that like, OK, there's ownership on the blockchain.
It's like digital albums.
So I really think there's potential here for creators to build something.
And that's what I'm pushing for.
Like, let's let's see if we can create something great out of this where artists and creators and builders can use it to get more funding.
And that's kind of the future I see.
I mean, I think it's the beginning for the whole meme fight thing.
And I think it's going to be huge.
Yeah, I think meme fight is going to be a pretty big thing.
I mean, I'm hoping summer release innovation and like the whole meme fight thing.
Like, honestly, like what I think it is, is that, you know, meme coins are a gateway to get into DeFi because majority of people I'm not not the majority, but I'm assuming a lot of people in 2021 discovered crypto through ads run by Celsius or BlockFi or all these, you know, centralized finance platforms, which ended up going under.
Because of, you know, shady practices that weren't transparent, you know, obviously in DeFi, you have compound, you have Aave, which are lending protocols, which never went down.
But even during the coronavirus crash in March of 2020, when Ethereum flash crash of Bitcoin and everything just went, everything is dumped super hard, right?
Even during that time, you never saw Aave or Compound have any issues, right?
Like everything still worked as it is.
Because I had a lot of questions when I first like found out about Aave and Compound.
And I was talking to Robert Leshner, which is the founder of Compound.
And like that was back when the Discord was empty and no one cared about these protocols.
And I was in there just asking a billion questions like, like what happens if Aave falls 50% in like two seconds or blah, blah.
And he's like, hey, like here's like, and he like laid out like all the vulnerabilities, like how it's possible.
And like he said, well, it is possible, but it's like a 0.00001% chance.
And after, you know, doing all my research and looking into it, I was like, wow, like this is what people should be using.
Like DeFi never went down.
Like good DeFi protocols are still running.
They're fine.
It's all that bullshit DeFi, centralized financial shit like that went down.
But I guess like what I'm trying to get at with this long-winded response that I always do is that meme coins are – they force people to use Uniswap.
They force people to use, you know, obviously like DEX is like 1inch or any aggregator because these tokens aren't listed anywhere.
I mean unless you're listed on these like T3s, like these T3 exchanges like Gaten, MEX or whatever.
But like mostly, you know, people hear about them like, oh, I want to buy like, you know, like PoopCoin or like whatever.
And to buy that coin, they have to go and, you know, make a MetaMask, you know, buy some ETH, you know, learn how to connect to Uniswap, learn how to initiate a transaction, learn how to, you know, go on Etherscan and, you know, do some basic shit, right?
And like you don't need to like, you know, $100, $200 is all I really need to like get started and learn.
And I think that is like what you want to encourage is like people using DeFi.
And if it takes meme coins to do it, I don't know why.
It's not a bad thing as long as they're responsible for money because that's how they get – that's how they get into DeFi.
And then they start learning more.
They start going to spaces, learning – like the whole Ben situation, people start learning about V3.
No one knew that you could rebalance pools in V3.
In V2, it's literally – so Uniswap V2, you literally pay her 50-50.
You take – so which literally means let's pretend you want to do 100% of token supply.
So let's say you have 100 tokens and you have to pair that with ETH.
So it's called the 50-50 pairing.
So essentially like let's say it's one ETH paired of 100 tokens, right?
That's 50-50.
And that 100 tokens is not worth one ETH, which means it's, you know, 50-50 in value.
And that's how it works.
But with V3, there's obviously options to rebalance pools and not have it be a point like that.
And that's kind of what, you know, Ben did.
And everyone's like, oh, my God, what's he doing?
Like – and no one knew about all this shit because, you know, most DGens, you know, most people don't do that.
They just use basic V2 pools.
That's what everyone uses.
So it does make people think and there's other things in the space that people, you know, have to think about and start actually like learning about DeFi and like what all these things do.
And hopefully avoid things like FTX, Celsius, BlockFi, Voyager, like all these platforms that just went under and took everyone's money.
But if you were in DeFi, the worst that could have happened was you would have lost – I mean your price of your ETH would have went down.
The price of your governance tokens would have went down if you were holding, you know, any governance tokens.
I mean that's about it.
But you wouldn't have lost your assets.
The only way you lose your assets is you get phished or other means.
But that's all like user error.
You know, you're not at the whim or at the mercy of these platforms which, you know, they could go under any day and like freeze withdrawals.
You know, here's the thing.
Like this is an opportunity and I think we have the power to shift the narrative to like let's get DeFi money for artists and creators and projects.
You know, there's a good way to do it and there's a bad way to do it.
We don't want people launching rugs.
But there's always a risk.
Like that's what the risk was launching NFTs too.
You know, every project that launches an NFT mint has a risk of rugging too.
So I would love to see the narrative shift to like, hey, there might be a possibility here to get DeFi money and DeFi knowledge and education for artists, creators, founders that are already doing NFTs, right?
I mean, I personally have had the most bullish week for my NFTs with doing a coin project.
So like there is potential there.
Like people aren't buying NFTs now.
A month ago, I wasn't selling any NFTs.
And so as someone whose, you know, career is based on NFT sales, I do think there's huge potential to build something of value here.
And I want to see other artists do it too and, you know, see that potential, right?
Like artists can get funding from DeFi people to support their projects.
And those people might buy their NFTs too.
You know, those people might support their project further because they found them through a coin or they found them through a community.
They found them through Pepe.
They found them through whatever it is, you know, PSYOP.
I mean, it really doesn't matter.
And if you're just putting in, like you said, what you can afford to lose or what I've been saying too is put in what you can afford to not care about.
I mean, what you can afford to lose is up here.
What you can afford to not care about is even lower than that.
I mean, and I like what you say, Bora, where it's like, you know, be the guy who throws in 50 bucks and turns it to thousands.
Don't be the guy who mortgages your house.
So, but like put in what you can afford to not care and try some stuff and maybe we can help some artists and creators.
That's the potential, you know, among all the drama.
If you see through it, it's like, hey, something special is happening here.
People are getting funding and people are funding complete garbage rugs, right?
Like what if instead of complete garbage rugs, just 50% of those were actual creators that get to try something.
So, yeah, long-winded response, but I appreciate you guys giving me the chance to say it was good, man.
And I've seen you perform.
You definitely rock.
I saw you in Vegas and you're a good artist and I'm glad that your sales go up.
And I always look for the positivity in everything.
And if it helps one person, that's amazing.
And if you guys have seen that and if you guys have an NFT project, you're part of a community, reach out to some of these tokens.
Hey, can we collaborate?
Can we work together?
Like find a way to make this positive.
Because I know a lot of people are not liking it and they're fighting it, but when something comes and we don't like it, it's like a fad.
You got to go through it and it'll be gone.
Just like you might have not have been into bell bottoms, but guess what?
People were those for a while and those were gone and they came back again.
And this is what's happening here.
It's a fad.
It's a little bit of a fad.
And we kind of have to just ride through it and find the positivity in it.
I think that's –
The positivity is getting people into DeFi.
Like the whole ethos of crypto was the eventual creation of like a full decentralized economy, right?
And like when I got it in 2017, DeFi was – it was not very existent.
The tooling was archaic.
There was literally nothing, right?
You made a MyEther wallet and you have to import your private key every single time you wanted to open it up and it was the biggest hassle ever.
And finally like a few people made some DEXs and they were order book style DEXs.
I guess you call them like the V1 version of a DEX and essentially you deposit money from your MyEther wallet into the DEX and you would obviously place like limit orders into an order book.
It was – that's how you bought ICOs or whatever.
Well, I'm going to get you guys more excited about this.
So if you guys are sick of Ben and you think there's a lot of that going on – last night I went to – I took a little break.
I went to visit my friend Malkan Delrahim who was one of Trump's attorneys.
He's – he was like number two or number three.
And Trump is coming to Twitter.
It's confirmed.
I saw text messages.
So when he comes in here, I think you guys are going to be asking for – begging for Ben to get back here.
I don't know what he's going to do but there's going to be some interesting stuff.
And it's not far.
It's like happening very soon.
I don't know the dates but I actually saw screen messages, text messages on his phone.
He's like, yeah, here it is.
So he knows what's up and he's coming here.
So hopefully that will be an interesting conversation.
Well, he also had a contract, right?
So like – and people don't even realize this but like he – like he was partnered with another company on Truth Social.
So he had some kind of contract in place where he wasn't allowed – like he was allowed to use Twitter but it was like after.
Like he would have to break any news or do anything first on Truth Social.
And then there was a lag period.
I don't know how many hours or if it was a day or something before he was allowed to repost that to Twitter.
But he just decided not to use Twitter.
I mean that's what I think.
I mean that's from like the research I've done.
So it seems like his contract is coming to an end or maybe it already ended or sometime within like the last couple weeks or in the upcoming weeks I think it ended or something.
So yeah, it would be cool to see him come back here because I guess here the audience is greater.
Like no one – no one uses Truth Social.
Like does anyone have – does anyone go on there?
Like he's kind of – he's screaming into like an empty void, right?
Like at least – like he comes here like when Elon Musk unbanned him.
Like man, like if he – like his first tweet is probably going to do more impressions than all of his Truth Social posts combined.
Just posted to the top who I'm talking about so you guys can kind of read about it.
This guy is a big deal.
He actually ended up buying Drake's house not too long ago, the singer Drake.
And he's pretty deep in there.
He knows what's up.
So this isn't fluff.
I'm actually trying to talk to him and get him into a Twitter space.
Not political but he's a really, really smart dude.
I wanted to ask, like Boro, when you're saying that he's coming here, when you say here, you mean like this space, right?
No, not this space like Twitter.
Well, don't say no.
We never know.
Yeah, we never know.
Yeah, so if he wanted some feedback, you know, I'm always good for that, right?
So, yeah, I mean I've heard some people giving you guys some crap about kind of what you've been doing up here.
But I just wanted to circle back on the algorithm side of things because, I mean, I've seen and experienced that, you know, multiple times on my medical page that I've had for years where you post something, you know, fantastic, very content, engaging, whatever else.
And, you know, people don't click it and interact with it, but you post something that's controversial or something that's flashy, then all of a sudden the algorithms take off.
And so, like, you know, you don't see so much in the news feed except for things that you interact with.
And then those algorithms start propagating and showing you more stuff that looks just like that.
So, I mean, I think it's kind of a case where, like, people probably have seen you guys tweeting a whole lot about it.
But, I mean, I've actually gone through Fiddy's tweets as an example and said, okay, he's tweeting about the Apocalyptic Apes once a day.
He's tweeting about Pepe once a day.
He's tweeting about, you know, that kind of stuff.
You can actually look at it.
It's just you're not being shown all that stuff on your feed.
That's all the psyop of Elon's Twitter algorithms.
Yeah, no, I'm 100%.
And the thing is, look, I mean, one thing that I could say is we need better content.
They call these – what did he call those tokens like?
Economy tokens?
Attention economy.
Attention economy tokens.
So how do we get attention to something positive by creating something good, something positive, something we can work with?
And so this is what I will do.
I'll call on all content creators and all NFT founders and projects out here.
We got to do better because I want to talk about cool shit.
I want to talk about stuff that's interesting and, you know, exhilarating, stuff that makes me wake up in the morning and say I can't wait to come in here.
Because I'll tell you, I didn't come to Web3 so I can meet a guy named Ben in it with a crown who screams out, send me ETH, and everybody sends him $16 million.
That is not innovation.
That is just us being stupid or bored.
So I'll be the first one to admit it.
But I do want to see people do more stuff.
I want to see more interesting stuff.
And once we can start to do that, we start focusing on that.
We've seen some incredible spaces.
Like every week I go to Baron von Hesel Space, who's got a great space talking about some of the Yuga stuff.
I go to the ApeCoin DAO spaces, which I find extremely fascinating.
So there are incredible topics you can go and talk about.
But, you know, it's just it's kind of like what you guys are into.
So it's easy to point that finger.
But I guarantee you most of the people that are pointing your fingers probably are pissed off they didn't get into the pre-sale and didn't 3X their money.
And I hate to say that, but that's really what it's about in this space.
People just want to make a bag and they don't really care about innovation.
I happen to be one of those people that really does care.
And I know Borovic cares and I know a lot of other people that care.
But there's a lot of other people that I'm getting DMs that, hey, listen, can you throw me the next good coin?
I don't know.
I'll never throw anybody a coin because I don't know anything about these coins.
I left BSC because of this, because of this mess.
So I'm hoping they come in here and change some things around and just just do better.
That's what I'm kind of hoping.
And I'll speak it from the influencer side of things.
I can tell you for a fact that it is 100 percent algorithm based.
Right.
Because what you need to get good space is good posts to actually get in front of other people or more people doing exactly that.
And like when I've done, you know, consulted with other companies about like, oh, you want to make a video for me?
I was like, I'll make a video for you.
You're not going to get any views like we're going to stay in the hundreds, not the thousands with your video because nobody cares about what you're selling.
And the people that actually do have no idea they actually care about it yet.
So you need to not hire one influencer.
You need to get out there and get multiple people talking about the same thing at around the same time so you actually get the volume so you somehow get people to, you know, get your content to trend.
Otherwise, it doesn't go anywhere.
That's what people don't realize.
It's not it's not a matter of like how cool your posts are.
It's how many people are actually talking about it.
You need people to get those posts in front of more people.
And it blows up.
I mean, talk about attention economy.
That's exactly what it is.
You're getting people's attention by getting them to care about what you care about.
And once you get the following, it just multiplies itself.
That's why the more clout you have, the more clout you're able to generate.
Here's a perfect example.
I put a picture of my daughter on top.
I think it's a cute picture.
I said, sending all my ETH to my loved ones, future leaders.
I got 58 likes on that.
OK, I post a picture of I put something with Psyop or Ben.
I mean, this thing is going viral.
This thing, everybody's talking about it.
So it kind of shows what everybody cares about.
You know, no, no, it's not what we care about.
It's what we see.
I never saw the picture of your girl.
I would have liked it.
That's that's the problem.
I would have totally liked that post.
I never got to see it.
Is this the blame?
Yeah, it's all Psyop, Vinny.
Action's right.
But you know what it is?
It's like it's it's and it's crazy because a lot of you guys know me and Borovic.
You know that I'm not going to take any money or I'm not going to get him or start my own
coin and put my family or my life at risk.
I'm just not going to do that.
I don't.
It's stupid.
OK, but we're all interested to see what's going to happen.
I mean, we're on the bunny space and they broke this down in such an interesting fashion.
They were like, you know what, if this guy takes a bunch of money and they send him to
jail, he's going to work on the road map utility.
He's going to make it happen in jail.
Honestly, that's what got me to send him some money.
I'm like thinking to myself, hmm, maybe he is going to go to jail and he's going to do
something in there.
So it's just crazy to see how this this is only a week old, by the way.
This feels like it's a it's been around for years, but we're talking about a week.
I didn't know who Ben was like last week.
Like I think last Friday or Thursday, whenever we did this space, when it was the Lakers
were playing in Denver, whatever day that they they lost.
That's the day I found out who he was.
But I would be really curious.
Like like what's your thought, Dad Pants?
Like, what do you think?
You're kind of hearing us up here.
What's your thought?
Dad Pants here.
He's a he's engagement farming on stage.
We do have two other hands up, though.
We have a 50 wanting ghost.
It's 51.
Let's go to 51.
Yo, what's going on?
I just wanted to say about the whole shit coin phenomena is we just don't know where these
coins can go, right?
Like a coin could be dead and then all of a sudden it starts pumping again.
They could add a lot of utility.
There's NFTs to be, you know, implemented in these coins.
You know, there's some NFTs that offer.
They give you a free check as utility.
You can see by some of them in the room.
But there's this we don't know where these coins are going to go.
And, you know, the thing is, is diversify because like, you know, deals on stage.
You don't know where his coin can go and the music and this and that.
And right.
Like we could be sitting on some next Spotify's or some next big companies from some coins that
will go nowhere.
And a lot of the time, it's like what you guys are saying.
It's the views.
It's this.
It's like there's so many different factors, you know, especially with spaces.
I won't get into it.
Like if the space numbers are real.
But like that's why these coins can blow up.
It's the community a lot of the time.
And we don't know where what community is going to pop out of the blue tomorrow.
So it's like we have to pay attention to like spaces that we keep seeing and different people
and just pay attention to like different tips because we don't know which one's the next
Ben, which one's the next Pepe, which one's the next that.
And one thing you have to consider is like this.
The whale structure or who owns these coins.
Like people can just dump coins at any point.
And it doesn't matter sometimes like who's promoting it, this and that.
And that's why like diversify and like what Dill said, like only invest money that you
truly just don't give a damn about.
And you don't have to spend like thousands of dollars.
Like go and eat when, you know, Gway is cheap, when Gaz is cheap, buy a few different ones,
buy a couple of 10, 20, $30 in them, whatever it is, and just see how they do.
And I think that's key because you just don't know.
Like there's so many different coins right now, but we're not seeing like that utility
factor necessarily.
And I think that's all we're going to start to see.
And some have already started to implement it.
And I think that's really important moving forward, because like you guys are saying,
you know, people are just going to drop coin after coin, et cetera, et cetera.
And we're just going to throw $16,000 at a, you know, Ben again, you know, et cetera,
et cetera.
Is there value there, right?
If the community is willing to push it, well, then there is, right?
No, a hundred percent, a hundred percent, man.
I mean, it's just, you know, we're, we're, we're kind of going around and around with
this, but what do we really think?
Cause we've kind of, we've kind of beat this up where we know we shouldn't be gambling.
We know we could, we should only send very little, but how do we do better as a community?
Like what, what is, what does somebody think?
Like what's somebody's advice?
Like, what do we do, uh, grow from this?
Education, more education, Fiddy.
Don't buy into complete shit that you know is a scam.
Don't buy into coins that are complete hate towards other things.
Even if you think something is negative, I hate to see that stuff too.
It doesn't, it doesn't help anything, you know?
And, uh, like if you're a creator, like try something innovative.
Don't be afraid just because everybody's given this guy, Heath Ben, a hard time, you
know, like there's a way to start a project, start small, you know, you don't have to be
Ben and raise, you know, $7 million sent to your wallet to build something cool.
You know, the best projects are when you start really small and get, you know, your, your
group of people in.
And, uh, there's ways you can use coins as, you know, a fun reward system for your community
too, where they don't have to have a whole lot of, you know, funding behind them.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that we need to look for real projects to support.
And instead of just, you know, aping into whatever, you know, pump and dump 24 hour gambling
shit coin there is, uh, there's gotta be better projects out there.
You know, there, there will be better projects.
Cause I remember when NFTs started, it was the same attitude of these are all scams.
Nothing good is going to come out of it.
And it just takes time.
You see the, the first initial, you know, big winners, like think about this.
You had crypto punks and nobody was doing PFP projects when you had crypto punks, even
when they started going up.
And then once you had board eight yacht club become successful.
Now you had two examples of this one style.
And now all of a sudden everybody was doing a PFP project and that just took off as the
format, right?
So I think you need to give a little bit of time for some of this to develop.
It clearly has the attention of the whole space.
I personally think the attention economy concept is genius.
You know, I think there's something there.
I think that you can have a social value to a coin based on, you know, real use case,
real utility, building actual technology and innovation.
I mean, look at like 90% of the value in the crypto space or more is in coins and tokens
for a reason, right?
So there's a way that creators, builders, founders can use this technology and use this
momentum in the market to their advantage.
So yeah, I mean, look out for quality projects, try to find and build stuff that's actually
going to be here to last instead of just launching some pump and dump rug and then assuming
because it's, you know, a decentralized project with liquidity locked and, and it checks out
on token sniffer.
You guys realize that just means it's primed for a pump and dump.
Like that doesn't mean that it's a good project.
You know, Telegram, Jeets have you think that just because it checks out with whatever pump
and dump checkers they're using that, that, that might be good for certain meme coins with
the non-devs and stuff, but not all projects are going to look like some cookie cutter, you
know, thing that's a meme coin.
So that's what I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So let's just take a small little break from talking about meme coins and Ponzi's and what
I just pinned a really delicious chocolate cookie recipe.
Fiddy, you're going to love this recipe.
Oh my God.
I, man, I have to come over.
We have to bake this maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow.
Oh, this, this, this chocolate chip recipe.
I, I've been searched the whole Twitter space.
I've been searching for the perfect chocolate chip cookie recipe and wow, I, I think I found
Fiddy, do you see this recipe?
Yeah, but you know what's pissing me off?
I have, you know, you're missing that one ingredient.
I have no baking soda, dude.
Like I don't.
I'll run to the store.
Don't worry.
I'll, I'll, I'll grab everything.
You know what I'm saying?
Do you know what I'm saying?
Mom, my dog is growling because you guys aren't retweeting the room.
Yeah.
Let's really retweet the room.
Do you hear that?
Do you hear that?
Really?
What's really interesting.
If I invite Ben up here right now, we'll have 2000 people in about 30 seconds.
Why is that?
Can somebody explain?
Well, okay.
Okay.
Look, look, look, look, look.
If we, Fiddy, Fiddy, I'll tell you exactly why.
If I actually, actually, okay.
Why?
Why is that?
Well, he just made a lot of money.
He's trending number one.
Everyone's talking about him.
Everyone wants to hear everything he has to say.
I think that's, that's a reason, right?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe we, let's hear from a few people.
Let's, let's, let's ask Dubzy.
Yeah.
I think, as you said, all eyes are on Ben.
Number one, NFT inspect.
Rest in peace, Barovic.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Dubzy, you have to say, in parentheses, it's because I, oh, sorry.
I just got on Shadow Ben yesterday, and so I'll, it'll take me like a couple days to get back.
I'm number, I got back to, I dropped from 36% global reach to 15.
I'm back at like 17 something, and I got on Shadow Ben last, yesterday in the morning.
So it'll take me like another day or two to get back to over 20%.
So just to preface it, because Barovic is being attacked by the invisible matrix, yeah, his engagement's going down.
Well, no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm fine now.
It, it lasted seven days, and I'm, I'm free.
Welcome back.
There's people in the audience that have tokens, or they're showing tokens, we're not going to let you up here, so don't request.
We've, we've had enough with the tokens for today.
But, but let's go back to Dubzy.
I was interrupting him.
Yeah, go for it.
Well, that's kind of what I was going to say about Ben, right?
Like, that's probably why 2,000 people are going to follow him into a space.
They think he's going to announce something about a token, like, you know, people are just on the edge of their seat trying to make a dollop.
So I think that's why 2,000 people would join the space.
Exactly.
But honestly, like, we have a lot that we could learn from him.
Like, let's, aside from, aside from all that he's doing in, in regards to meme points, like, he, he did a lot for marketing.
Like, his call to action, he got a lot of people to do something that not many of us would be able to do, right?
Sending so much ETH to a random address when we had no idea who that person actually was.
Like, that marketing was great.
Like, we could learn a lot from him.
Well, I've been, I've been for about 45 minutes today or an hour.
I don't even know how long we've been up here.
And I just kind of went through my DMs.
And I've got 65 messages.
Hey, try this token.
Try this token.
This token thing is insane.
Like, it's insane.
Like, like, people are talking about, they're still talking about Turbo.
They're still talking about Pooh.
They're still talking about Pepe.
This new thing, RFD.
Now there's, like, some rumor about this egg token that's supposed to, like, drop nuggets for, and maybe it is.
I don't know.
Like, I'm saying, like, how do we slow this down and start to do something different, you know?
Like, it's on us.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, Fiddy, Fiddy, I have the perfect idea.
So we're going to become fitness and food bloggers.
I've already started.
I got a head start today.
It's actually doing really well.
People seem to really like my baking tweets.
The problem with being fitness and food, I don't really eat much anymore of what I do.
It's, like, once a day.
I don't exercise anymore because we're too busy with this shit.
So I feel like we should probably ask Iron Mike to help us because he does have a name like Iron Mike.
So he might be able to help us out with this.
I'll tell you what.
After this season, you're going to have to call me Soft Mike.
I haven't been working out myself.
I need to get back to the gym, buddy.
That's pretty funny.
What are you doing, Mike?
Are you looking at these coins?
I know we've known each other since my project, like, first minted out.
Mike actually contacted him in Bossa Valley before I even met.
He's like, hey, can I get some NFTs before you met?
I'm like, I don't know.
We're allowed to do this.
Like, I was clueless.
So we met, like, a year and a half ago.
And, like, what have you been doing?
Like, I know you're doing some NFT stuff.
What are you guys doing these days?
Just working on a lot of stuff, Matt.
Just working on a lot of stuff.
I mean, I generally work on the back end.
And normally I don't – I haven't really had time to come up in Twitter spaces and stuff like that,
which I actually think once in a while is really relieving.
I think what you guys do on a consistent basis is insanity.
I think that a lot of times, you know, coming up here consistently day in and day out, you know, that can wear on you.
So I appreciate you guys, you know, running the spaces.
But, yeah, just working on stuff.
Nothing too crazy.
Not doing any of these coins.
Obviously, we live in the States.
So, you know, if it was out of the States, hell yeah.
I think the conversations would be different if people didn't live in highly regulated countries, right?
And to actually go back to your Ben question,
I think the reason why Ben is so big and blew up so fast is for two things.
He's very controversial.
People love controversy.
And he's extremely polarizing, right?
So if you look at, like, you know, Andrew Tate, for example, it's the exact same way, right?
If you're polarizing in this space where it's very – it's a neutral atmosphere,
people tend to go towards something that's, you know, has a lot of drama or something that's really funny, right?
It's the two traits that really can expand and go viral.
So he took advantage of it.
More props to him.
But, yeah, bro, I'm just working, man.
Just working away.
I'm in the space.
I'm in the space.
I'm not in front of the space, if that makes sense.
But, yes, I agree with you.
Anyone that has a social presence is getting blasted with offers from coins right now.
It's crazy.
See, Mike, do you think maybe, like, a chocolate chip cookie or, like, some kind of, like, bakery would sponsor me?
Oh, we're going back to that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think a chocolate chip cookie meme coin, that's what you should sponsor.
I'm just joking.
No, I want, like, an actual bakery.
Like, I want to reach out to different bakeries or maybe there's, like – oh, I know there's, like, online companies that, like, mail you, like, cookies and stuff.
Maybe I'll reach out to one of those.
Yeah, you can get a lot of free stuff in that type of industry.
They're just looking for influencers to – obviously, like, they send you a test.
So, like, most of them are pretty transparent, but they'll send it to you if you like it.
Then, you know, you can even get – I have a friend who's a big fitness person and a huge social media platform.
It's got, like, 800K on IG.
Two friends, actually.
One of them is eight-time Mr. Olympia, big in the space, 5 million on IG, and they get free stuff all the time from companies.
It's literally just you saying something positive about it here and there, and then you can get those free, pre-packed, you know, all the healthy stuff that you need.
And they'll give you, like, three meals a day forever.
Well, I'm definitely going to be a fitness or food blogger.
Like, that sounds, like, way better than being a crypto Twitter nerd, you know?
Yep, yep, yep.
It's crypto stressful because everyone is so quick to judge influencers.
At the end of the day, it's just like any other influencer.
So when you look at any sort of advertisement, it really sucks depending on which country you live in because I think regulation really hinders the space, to be completely honest.
I think that there's a huge lack of self-accountability in the space.
And I think that if you're putting your money based off of what somebody else says and you lose that money, that's still your fault.
It's still your fault, right?
The problem is, is that regulations were first introduced to protect the people, us.
But I really think it takes away from the self-accountability aspect.
And it just, it bottlenecks growth from companies that are actually trying to work to make this space a better place.
And it scares influencers.
I know hundreds of influencers that are in the space that are so scared to talk about anything because of just the regulation.
And it's sad.
They should be able to talk about whatever they want.
You know, influencers, the thing is, in traditional markets, influencers get paid to promote stuff.
If they're selling a pair of shoes, if you see Shaq on there on an insurance commercial, he doesn't have to say,
I got paid half a million dollars to do this commercial.
So, you know, I get it, the investment stuff, blah, blah, blah.
But I'm also like anti-regulation.
The whole purpose of crypto for coming into the space was for freedom.
And so when you start taking those freedoms away, you scare influencers, you bottleneck retail investors that want to have the opportunity to make money.
And who ends up getting rich?
It's the people at the top that have tons of wealth.
They have their, you know, reg Bs so that they can take on massive investments so that they're SEC compliant.
And it's just, it's sad to see.
I was listening to Mario Space and, yeah, just listening to, you know, the SEC lawyer that was in there.
It's, that scares everybody, for one.
And for two, it's sad.
You know, I have a global marketing agency.
I work with people from all over the world.
And it's really sad to see or hear when they say, you know, Western countries, you know, they primarily talk about the U.S.
And they say, you know, it's not land of the free anymore.
Used to be.
And it's not.
And I guess, I guess I'm getting off on a tangent.
But the biggest point is, you know, people have to come together and realize, have some self-accountability.
If you make a bad financial decision, that's your fault.
And take away from the actual scams.
I think those people should go to jail.
But if a project goes to zero, that could very well not be a scam.
It's the truth.
It could be poor business, poor marketing, poor structure, a hundred different things.
But you also took the risk, right?
So, what is the influencer risking when they go out there and they talk about a project and it goes to zero?
The only thing they should risk is their reputation.
And quite frankly, it's really sad that they can't get paid for it without having all of these things that are structured to it.
That's just my personal opinion.
I know I rambled on.
So, you know, hopefully you guys got something from that.
Yeah, I'm like, no, thanks for that.
I mean, that resonates with me because, you know, the whole ethos of crypto was to get away from the regulator, to get away from the traditional market and to be able to have the freedom.
You know, a lot of libertarians were the ones who got into crypto early, especially Bitcoin and DeFi.
DeFi, honestly, like with everything happening on Ethereum, honestly, is like true freedom to be able to do what you want.
You know, you don't need to have a home address or, you know, KYC or like have all these qualifications.
Literally anyone could, you know, it takes two seconds for anyone because the blockchain doesn't discriminate.
Anyone can make a wallet.
Anyone can go, you know, use Uniswap.
Anyone could use any of these protocols, you know.
And that's what it should all be about.
And the reason you see these super volatile swings up and down is because, you know, like obviously in the real world, you have the Federal Reserve, which raises and lowers interest rates.
And you have government that interferes and interferes in the market.
So, like, yeah, of course you're going to have a different type of market.
But when you have a pure free market, this is what the result is.
Like this is like you can't have both, right?
You can't have a pure free market and then complain when people do what they want to do.
Like what would you say about that, Mike?
Wait, hold on a second.
Before you guys go forward, I just found an incredible recipe on how to make kombucha at home.
It doesn't take that many steps.
I just pinned it to the top.
Oh, whoa.
You pinned it?
You pinned it?
I don't see it yet.
Yeah, it's at the top.
I love kombucha.
Oh, when I lived in – when I was at college, oh, my God.
My roommate would make kombucha like in the closet.
I mean, I think it would be a really good conversation.
What do you think about that, Dad Pants?
I think he fell asleep.
I'm going to keep testing him every few days to see if he wakes up.
But we'll get it going.
I'm going to put him down for a nap.
We'll bring some more people up here for a conversation.
Let's raise your hand if you're on stage.
Like, Dubzy did have his hand up.
Like, then he keeps putting it down.
I know he wants to talk.
Dubzy, go for it.
But if you guys are on stage and you've spoken, let's rotate the room.
Let's have a little conversation.
I don't want to stay on space today all day, maybe another 20 minutes or so.
I want to just get outside and go talk about Ben to people I don't know.
Yeah, Fiddy, we should honestly – like, this kombucha recipe would be like, wow, like, where did you find this?
I mean, my roommate used to make kombucha in the closet.
This looks pretty promising.
Well, I don't really want to go in the closet, but I'll definitely make kombucha.
I'd like to come out of the closet if you don't mind.
Yeah, let me ask Dubzy.
Dubzy, would you rather have my cookie recipe or Fiddy's kombucha recipe?
The cookie recipe.
That's just smart business.
Ladies love cookies.
I'm actually looking for bakeries to sponsor me.
So, if there are any bakeries listening in the audience, you could DM me.
I am taking sponsorships right now.
Is that just bakeries or also grandmas?
What if we all start tweeting about cookies, kombucha, food, exercise for the next couple months?
What do you think would happen to this space?
I'm going to try to start a trend.
I'm going to start only tweeting about, like, everything that's not crypto-related.
Hey, bro.
I'm not a bakery, but definitely check your DM.
Send your DMs, like, yesterday.
Check your DM, please.
Okay.
I get, like, a million DMs, so I, like, never go through all of them, but I'll try to find yours.
It's a new token.
No, I'm just kidding.
What if it is?
Well, let's go to Dubzy.
If it's a new token, I'm not going to look at it.
Let's go to Dubzy.
Yeah, I was just going to touch on before about that personal accountability stuff and basically taking that on board for yourself.
Because that's the only way you're going to improve, right?
Like, when I first got into NFTs, I'm into the worst shit you could imagine.
Like, looking back on it now, I would never mint that stuff.
And if you don't take that personal accountability, like Fiddy said, you're not going to grow.
You're not going to improve.
If you're just going to follow people around, not only are you going to make bad investment decisions, but you're going to make bad decisions in real life as well.
Personal accountability is more than just spending time on Twitter.
That's something that you can take into your fitness, your mental strength, yeah, you know, your career.
It's not just Web3 or personal accountability.
I think it's a really good and important point.
Yeah, no, 100%.
And the thing is, you know, every space that I've been into, I've told you guys, the person that tells you to buy is lying to you.
The person that tells you to sell is lying to you.
You're either exit liquidity or you're exit liquidity entrance.
So don't trust anybody.
I've said this on every space.
And the biggest thing I tell people, don't get wrecked.
Because if you get wrecked, you're not going to be here.
And those opportunities aren't going to be available to you.
And, again, I commend Ben for being honorable and, you know, giving people money back for the scams, giving people money back for his retweet.
Because I know a lot of NFT projects that have, like, scam links on their website, literally on their website and in other places I don't even want to go into.
And they just said, no, not our fault.
So, you know, he did good with that.
And that's what I'm giving him credit for.
So don't get me wrong.
I have not given him credit for having an incredible roadmap or coming out with a token that's got some incredible utility.
I've never said that.
But I do give him credit for being honorable and keeping his word.
That's something we need to see more of.
And that's it.
Yeah, I think that's good.
It's also kind of, like, taking the good from the bad.
So, like, you can not like Ben for whatever reason, personally, because he got $14 million from a pre-sale.
And I'm insanely jealous.
But you can respect the marketing.
You know, the whole PsyOp thing where anyone who, like, tweets misinformation is, like, part of the PsyOp.
So, like, I don't know.
It's kind of brilliant.
Right?
Yeah, and that is exactly why me and Fiddy are changing the narrative.
You know, too many people have been talking about Ben, about the PsyOp, about tokens.
Me and Fiddy, we're going to be the first ones to, you know, change the meta and talk about, you know, cookies and puppies, kombucha, you know, all the good stuff.
I'm changing your name to Borovic Stewart.
You're going to be the new Martha.
I'm changing it to Chef Borovic or something.
Chef Borovic.
Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
But for real, guys, like, we want to, like, hear some new stuff.
Like, if you guys want to have a different topic, I'm totally open to it.
Like, for real.
Like, I do love NFTs.
I have a project that I love, and I'm doing a lot of cool stuff.
I have a partnership with Exola, which is, you know, processing for Fortnite and Roblox.
I'm doing a lot of stuff.
I'm really working with some, I've got Megadeth, which I'm launching NFTs.
I'm working with the band, with Dave Mustaine.
I'm working with Elektra and Justice Mustaine.
I'm going on tour with them, and, you know, probably September, October, we're going to be going to Europe.
So I am doing some cool stuff in the space, and I'm here because I'm innovating.
I want to do cool stuff.
I want to do fun stuff.
So, you know, and I've talked about it.
I have spaces with Dave Mustaine, and I've never had spaces over 400 or 500 people with Megadeth.
And I have the whole band.
I've had his guitar player on there.
We have 500, 600 people.
We get Ben.
We get 2,000.
So, I mean, there's something to think about here, you know?
This is us.
This is who we are.
When to X.
Yeah, so I just let CryptoJeet on stage because he followed me.
How's it going, CryptoJeet?
It's going great.
I'm just wondering when my 2X will be in.
Well, as you know, in crypto, this is a highly risky and volatile market, so you should actually expect it to never happen.
But if it does, you should, you know, be super happy if it does.
But you should expect it to never happen.
You know what you should do instead, CryptoJeet?
You seem like the kind of guy who is...
Are you ready for summertime?
Like, have you...
Do you have any, like, routine that you've been following?
Like, are you sleeping well?
Yeah?
Well, I have 10 tips for you to get a hot summer bod.
Do you have abs?
Have you wanted abs?
Look, I have the...
I'll DM you, man.
I have 10 tips that will help you get rock-hard abs.
How does that sound, CryptoJeet?
Let's fucking go!
This is what it's all about, guys.
You know, spreading positivity and love.
Helping people get hot summer bods.
Because, you know, crypto nerds, they don't get laid.
They've never seen a girl.
They've never talked to a girl before.
And I just want to help them out, you know?
So, if you get into the whole, you know, I'm going to start promoting foods, I'll let
you borrow my before and after.
Oh, dude, have you seen mine?
Go look at my Instagram.
I have some good before and afters also.
Barbecue.
Look right now.
This guy's been a bodybuilder, so...
Hey, CryptoJeet, are you CryptoJ?
Oh, jeez.
I didn't even know it was you.
Dude, I actually thought it was somebody else.
So, actually, someone DM'd me after I talked about getting a hot summer bod.
Viking DM'd me.
Show me his progress photos.
Man, Viking, I am so proud of you, man.
Do you want to talk about your journey a little bit?
I do and I don't.
I mean, kind of put me on the spot there, Boro.
Well, dude, this guy looks phenomenal.
This guy got a six-pack, muscular, man.
You've been hitting the gym really hard.
And your profile picture, it looks just like you in real life.
Now it does because, again, I was at the worst point in my life.
I looked at myself.
I'm like, God damn, I don't look anything like my PFP.
And that was my goal, to try to get myself looking like this PFP.
And you have ice cream on your timeline.
Did you made that yourself?
Yeah, I made that last night.
It was actually bomb.
My kids were like, Dad, what are you making?
I'm like, I'm making fried ice cream for you guys.
Just chill.
And they're like, oh my God, this was the greatest ever.
Can you share your recipe with me if you don't mind DMing me?
I'm very curious.
I'm a food blogger now, so I do want to try new things.
He's only half joking.
He has a thing for sweets.
He'll just message me randomly and say, I'm going to order some cookies.
So he's only half joking about the cookie sponsorship, guys.
He would actually love that.
Boro, one thing I was listening to you guys talk about was the coins earlier.
And somebody had mentioned ApeCoin having a really good utility.
Can I talk about that for a minute?
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, the thing is, you know, we really didn't know what utility was in a lot of these coins.
Like when I first got into crypto, Ethereum smart contracts were just, they were unheard of.
We kept on hearing smart contracts were coming.
But for the most part, we used to send Ether from exchange to exchange because it was cheaper and faster to send Bitcoin.
None of us knew what an Ether smart contract was going to do in 2017.
We were just stacking our Ether because Metallic and these guys were like, oh, you're going to be able to do this.
You're going to be able to do that.
So for a lot of these coins and a lot of these tokens, innovation is coming.
We just don't know exactly what it's going to be at this point.
Fiddy, that was for you to talk because I know you're obsessed with ApeCoin.
Fiddy, while Fiddy's sleeping, I tagged you with a before and after.
So I pinned it up top, actually.
Mike, dude, look at Mike.
Are you on steroids, man?
Like, that is a crazy after.
That is wild.
That is wild, dude.
That is like, that is actually one of the, that is a crazy transformation, dude.
Holy shit, man.
Mike, what did you gain there, bro?
Holy shit.
Dude, look at that.
Dude, holy shit, dude.
Listen, how many years apart is that?
I'm sitting like, that was, that was, that was a few years back.
That was totally in my prime.
I'm sitting probably somewhere in between.
Like, if you look at my IG, that's my last picture, which I still look good.
I just, I'm not as caught right now.
Well, listen, as far as you want to talk about your body, I now have proof that me and Borovic do not work with Ben and Ben.
I have a picture of us at work, what we do during the day when we're not on tour space.
I just pinned it to the top.
I hope you guys can see it.
I just got a doc's picture of me and Borovic, what we actually do.
Oh, that, yeah, that is, you know, we're, we're farmers and, you know, I'm very passionate about my corn.
Me and Fiddy do have cornfields and, you know, when we're not on Twitter spaces, most of our times, yeah, we farm.
We're farmers, you know, corn.
I'm actually an expert at corn.
Yeah, corn, by the way, if you guys do eat corn, make sure it's organic because a lot of times we get, we have a lot of spray.
People spray the corn, so, you know, try not to get it at places where, unless you can open it and feed.
The uglier it is, the better it tastes, just so you guys know that.
Oh, yeah, and, like, also, people don't realize that once you, like.
We're dropping people like crazy.
So, look, look, something about corn that people have to understand is, like, it has a shelf life, so, like, you know, if you're going to eat it, you should eat it within five days.
Just keep it refrigerated, like, you know, make sure you wash it before you eat it.
So, it's very healthy for you.
You can easily, guys, this is how we bring it back.
You can easily 100x on corn.
I'm just telling you.
You could 100x easy on corn.
It's not a security, so that's fine to say.
The big alpha on corn, if you guys don't, if you guys start fucking corn and you don't sell all your corn, you just dry it.
And when Halloween comes around, fuck, those kids love that fake corn.
You could just push the hell out of that, 2-3-X that stuff, like crazy.
So, I mean, this is just corn alpha, but I'm glad David's up here.
David, how is your space talking about that dude we don't talk about anymore?
Yeah, I was just curious.
Guys, how do I get paid to tweet about Ben?
Because I tweet about Ben and hold spaces all the time, and I don't get any undisclosed payments.
David, that name is banned in this space.
If you say it again, you'll be kickoff statement.
Yeah, so we're not talking about Ben anymore because, I mean, nobody wants to talk about it.
It's not said it.
It's redacted.
I was talking about Ben Affleck, by the way.
There's multiple Bens.
But I will tell you, so as you guys know who I am, and most, you know Borovic,
I would never put myself in danger or any kind of risk with SEC or government by taking tokens, money, anything.
Even two different wallets, I just would not do that.
I have a family.
I have three little girls, and Borovic just got married a year ago.
So, we're not those guys.
But we have been fascinated with this whole thing, and we have been covering it.
And luckily, they've been retweeting and come in our spaces.
And I do know BitBoy at, like, IRL.
I've met him about a year ago, and we do have numbers, and I do talk to him once in a while.
And I like him.
So, when Borovic first asked me to do a space, I thought we were doing a space with BitBoy.
I didn't even know who Ben was a week and a half ago.
So, that's where I'm at.
But, David, I wish I was getting paid, and I wish I had a part of that $60 million,
because I would share it with you guys.
But, well, probably I wouldn't, because I wouldn't want to put anybody in danger unless I knew it was safe to do.
But how was your space?
How were the discussions?
I wanted to pop on today, but I was so tired.
I was, like, dead.
Oh, no, it was good, man.
We were just – I was trolling Borovic.
Like, I mean, I'm having a fucking ball, guys.
This is – everything is absolutely hilarious.
So, I'm just going with the punches.
Yeah.
I've been having fun, brother.
And I'll tell you, there's been – I've been meeting a lot of incredible people.
A lot of new people are coming in.
And I had three Zoom calls last week with some really interesting people that are building some cool stuff behind the scenes.
That, you know, one of the guys got funded $12 million on a token.
I don't even understand quite what they do.
I'm still trying to figure out.
We have another call coming up.
But these guys are smart.
So, if you guys innovate and if you guys build connections and try to find some positivity here, it's there for you.
Yeah.
Honestly, it's all about positivity.
You know, I just want everyone on stage to, you know, be happy and healthy and, you know, positive and, you know, honestly, talking about coins and crypto and all this – all that crypto shit, you know, it's just a drain on all of us, right?
It drains our health, you know.
Honestly, I think it's beneficial if we all just move away, you know, do healthier habits, you know, get sleep, rest, drink water, you know, exercise.
What do you guys think?
100% Moro.
It's very bad, man.
I mean, I used to be Crypto Jay and then I dumped $42,000 on the chart and they called me a jeet.
So, now I'm Crypto Jeet.
Dude, I was wondering who this Crypto Jeet is following me around with all these freaking messages.
I've known Jay Crypto before I even came to NFT space and he used to be Crypto Jay and now he's Crypto Jeet.
That's funny.
So, David, like, what was your conversation today?
Like, what are people saying?
Like, I'm curious because I haven't been – I've been on a couple spaces, David, small ones.
David?
Hey, David, you forgot to unmute.
The corn put everybody to bed.
Oh, my daughter was screaming.
I'm sorry.
I didn't hear you.
What was that?
So, like, on your space this morning, what was the –
Is he rugging?
Okay, so what Fiddy was trying to say was trying to say –
Yeah, so if you could answer that question for us, David, it would be pretty cool.
I think I'm rugging.
Okay, David, David.
Here's what Fiddy was trying to say.
He was trying to say –
So, where'd he go?
David has left the building.
Oh, he rugged.
He'll be right.
He went to fix his spaces.
Yeah, I'm just going to blame Elon for that glitch on spaces.
Anyways, so, Dubzy, you're a seal.
You eat, like, fish.
What's your diet look like?
Yeah, it's pretty strict.
A lot of fish.
But the main thing that changed my fitness journey and allowed me to lose 200 kilograms is every time I lose money on NFTs or main coins, I run one kilometer.
So, most of the time, I just run.
Don't you mean, like, swim?
Do you have, like, legs or just, like –
Dubzy, are you –
That's what makes it hard.
I just –
I usually just slide down the hill.
Are you running, like, a marathon a week then, bro?
Yeah, I'm in a lot of pain.
The blisters is the main thing.
Dubzy, I miss my family.
Are you near me in Perth?
Because I'm right here in Perth.
Where are you at?
No, I'm in Civilization.
All right.
I got a question for the seal.
Does all seals weigh themselves in kilograms or is it in pounds?
Not all, just the smart ones.
Okay, look.
The metric system is better, but I don't use it because I live in the United States.
So, we have to use the worst – the American worst system here.
So, if you could translate to pounds because I don't – like, when I hear, like, kilograms or grams, like, in my mind, like, I don't know, like, how much you weigh.
2.2 pounds.
I get it.
I get it.
2.2, I get it.
But, like, I have to do the math in my head.
You know, it's annoying.
Like, when I hear, oh, 150 pounds, like, in my mind, I'm like, okay, I know how much that is.
But if I hear, like, you know, like, if I don't hear it in pounds, I have to, like, stop for a minute and think.
Yeah, 180 kg, you're like, oh, he's in good shape.
But, no, he's really not in good shape if he's 180 kilograms.
So, does kilograms mean, like – like, do they use kilograms in international waters only?
Like, not in America, but in the international waters where the seals are?
Maybe the only ones should use pounds ever.
Pounds, feet, all this stuff doesn't make any sense.
There's no reference points for, like, where things are supposed to be.
No, you're right.
It does not make sense.
It is stupid.
Waste time.
It would have been way easier to just teach everyone the metric system.
But, you know, it just isn't that way.
Things have to be hard here in the United States.
They have to make it harder on purpose.
So, let's get back to, like, the important things because we're losing people because we're talking about the metric.
Have you ever – have you ever been in a car and the thing was switched over to kilometers instead of miles per hour?
Yeah, yeah.
So, when I was – I've been to Europe a few times and, like, driving in Europe, yeah, definitely, like, it is – but they – it's not that bad because you just, like – you know, you're, like, okay, like, oh, like, you know, 60 kilometers is this and then, like, 120 kilometers is that.
But when you're going, like, 180 kilometers, you feel like you're fucking speeding.
But, like, you know, you're not going that fast.
Actually, it is pretty fast, but it's not, like, that that fast, you know.
Actually, what – what is that?
Let me look it up.
Oh, it's crazy, bro, because, like, one time I was in a rental and it was switched over to kilometers instead of fucking miles per hour.
And I'm driving 60 kilometers an hour and I'm wondering why everybody's passing me thinking I'm going 60 miles an hour.
It just felt like a dumbass when I figured it out.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, like, in Germany, driving in Germany is –
So, you're on the –
So, you're on the highway, Autobahn in Germany, and, like, every, like, few kilometers, there's a speed limit.
It just comes out of nowhere.
So, you have to slow down, and then it goes back to unlimited speed limit.
Then you slow – it's just so stupid.
Like, why have, like, a five-minute stretch of a speed limit and then, like, a two-minute stretch of a speed limit?
And then it just – it's so dumb.
That is one of my least favorite countries in the world, bro.
I absolutely hate fucking Germany.
My brother and my dad live in Munich.
And the shit they have to go through just in order to get, like, a fishing license, bro.
You have to go to school for two years to get a fishing license.
No joke.
Yeah, but you could literally smoke weed on the street and, like, walk by cops drinking alcohol.
They don't care.
But literally to do any recreational activities to archery, you have to have a fucking license to go bowling, bro.
Well, I don't know about all that, but I just know, like, when I was in Germany, like, it was pretty chill, I guess, like, as a tourist there, you know?
Like, I lived there for, like, I guess, like, a few weeks, like, a month or something.
So, it wasn't that bad.
We have Jonah up here.
He was sitting in the audience for the last, like, hour.
So, Jonah, why did you decide to come up here?
What topic?
Yeah, with the corn.
A corn.
What topic brought you up here?
You all invited me.
Oh, Fiddy, you invited him up?
I did.
I did.
Okay, well, I was hoping he'd come up because he wants to hang out on his own.
Well, I just ordered burger five, so I'm just waiting for my burger.
That sounds really good.
I'm hungry.
I really haven't eaten much in the last couple days.
You should eat.
No, that's not good.
Wonderful steak and potatoes.
Yeah, I'm going to get a burger.
So, Jonah, I have a question for you.
I actually have a big question for Jonah.
Jonah, do you think that me and Fiddy should change the subject?
You come to our spaces nightly, right?
Would you rather us talk about anything other than crypto on spaces?
I don't know what else you're an expert in.
Well, so actually, I actually today wrote a thread on the 10 secrets to get hot, to get
rock-hard abs and get a hot summer bod.
I also just shared a cookie recipe and a cake recipe earlier.
So, if you're interested in any of those, let me know.
So, you're going to be a cooking channel?
Yeah, I'm actually looking for bakery sponsors right now.
How do we absorb this content through without video?
So, I think that just by sitting here on stage, we could just talk about, you know, the different
kind of desserts or foods that we're eating.
Like, maybe, maybe tonight, me and Fiddy will get together and bake some cookies, and we'll
just kind of walk everyone through and maybe just tweet some pictures of the cookies.
I think that might be, like, pretty fun.
Because, no, because clearly none of my followers want to hear about crypto.
You should do a mukbang.
Just, like, listen, people can listen to you chew the entire time.
Yeah, no, people love that.
People love that.
They love listening to, uh, to chewing.
And it's barbecues.
I actually want to start doing barbecue recipes for the summer and also, like, getting our
bodies ready for, like, the summer for, like, swimsuits and so on.
You know, just talking about...
People in crypto don't swim.
Oh, well, there are seals in the room.
Hold on a second.
I can hear you.
We do have open sea.
Let's go back to that.
More like an open pond.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
These dad jokes are killing me.
Jonah, when did your takes get so pedestrian all of a sudden?
When did this happen?
I don't understand.
Uh, I'm a simpleton.
Can you give me context to pedestrian?
Yeah, I don't know.
By pedestrian, do you mean, like...
Basic?
You know, low effort, low energy, touristy, uh, I don't know, pick your adjective.
Uh, around, uh, around, around the same time, uh, you were working on Call of Duty.
Oh, bro.
Doesn't need to get nasty there.
Josh, I didn't know you were...
No, I'm just, I'm just being pedestrian.
I didn't know you worked for Call of Duty, Josh.
What?
How is that possible?
I just didn't know.
Do you, do you know things?
Do you even know me, bro?
I mean...
I mean, I know you have, like, your hand, like, by your face, and so does Lavelli.
You're like a second person to point it out recently.
What's with that?
It's just like a, it's just like a...
Lavelli has done that ever since I met him.
He, like, has this picture with his, like, hand on his chin, and that's, that's it.
I don't really go into people's DMs or look them up on Instagram.
Usually, if it's something interesting, they share.
Well, it's nothing, it's nothing interesting.
It's also not, like, some people, I think, so the other person who brought it up thought
that I was, like, doing some sort of a Turing test, like, AI art, generative art is, like,
struggles with hands, I guess, so I guess they thought that I was, like, doing that to,
like, try to throw it off.
To his credit, I don't sleep a lot, so it, you know, I don't exactly have nothing sus about
my behavior, but, yeah.
I think a lot of us don't sleep a lot.
Yeah, but I, I mean...
I have a, one of those, this was my best, one of my best investments ever.
Not literal investments, I mean, just purchases for my life.
I have a, what are these called?
Oura ring?
Oura ring.
O-U-R-A.
It's fucking amazing.
I love this thing.
I wear it, and it tells me to the exact second how long I slept, and what I could do better
with my sleep, and the whole thing, and it's not, it's not like,
the most groundbreaking tech, in terms of what it does for me, but for whatever reason,
my subconscious brain has absorbed its, like, information, and has tried to discipline me
to sleep, and so I find that there are some nights where I do sleep...
You have, like, a, are you wearing, like, a high-tech mood ring?
Is that what that is?
Yeah, like, a super-small Apple Watch.
Yeah, it's literally, yeah, yeah, it's literally a high-tech mood ring, yeah.
Yeah, but, like, I had the opposite experience, but I had to stop wearing my Apple Watch.
Does anybody here live in, like, around Malibur, L.A.?
Because I'm going to go ahead and head over to Malibur in about a half hour.
If anybody wants to meet, I'll bring some, I'll buy you some kombucha.
Wait, wait, Fiddy, if you look at what I just pinned up top, someone actually wrote
an article about me, calling me Sensational Baker Borovic on Twitter attracts global attention
and possible sponsorships from bakeries.
See, I'm gaining traction my first day as a food blogger and fitness influencer.
And you have, I'm already having articles written about me.
There's six likes, so you're going somewhere with it.
Well, I just, I just tweeted it.
Oh, I thought you said somebody wrote it about you.
Yeah, but I tweeted a screenshot of the article.
Do you see?
Who wrote it?
I don't know.
Some, some, someone that follows me, like, sent me that article.
I feel like you just made that shit up and you wrote it yourself.
Someone actually sent me that article.
That's why, I don't know if it just, I don't know if it was a scam, like, I was scared
to click it.
That's why I, I, I, I blacked out the URL.
But I thought the, I thought it was a cool, like, picture.
You're in, I'm having a hard time believing that one.
No, I'll show you.
I'll DM it to you.
So if you look at, like, my replies on Twitter, like, the last, like, 10 or 5 years.
Even I don't want to, even I don't want to be here talking about freaking cookies.
Like, every time you bring up cookies, I cringe.
Dude, we went from 450 to 360 listeners talking about cookies.
Exactly.
See, that's the thing.
If I would, if we were up here talking about he who must not be named, if we were talking
about that guy, the guy that starts with a B and ends in an N, the guy with the crown
on his head, if we were talking about that guy, we would have thousand plus people in
this room right now listening to us talk.
But, but, but I want to be a food blogger.
I want to talk about food.
Here's what he just DMed me.
He's like, hey, Fitty, what's up?
Do you want me to come up and chat with you guys for a while?
I said, no, not right now.
We're going over cookies.
Let's talk another day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, look, look, unless he has good recipes he'd like to share with the audience, why
would he come up here?
I mean, like I can try to call him and see if he, if he's interested in doing it.
Let me see.
He'll look, look, look, I just want to sit up here and share recipes, talk about food.
All right.
While you're doing that, let's talk to Mike.
I was just going to say, I got to get, I got to get running, but I did want to thank
you guys.
I appreciate you, Borovic, Fitty.
You guys are freaking awesome.
Hey, before, before you go, Mike.
So I'm, I looked at your timeline and you're, you, I see you got like some boobs and then
before you didn't have boobs.
And then before that, I noticed you, you, you got this egg thing.
What is this egg thing?
Is this another token?
Yeah, it's a, it's a good project.
Good projects, good team.
Everything about the project.
They've got a lot of, a lot of great people involved.
Great advisors.
So here's, yeah, here's, here's a lot of people.
I see a lot of people in here have different tokens.
Like what makes a great team?
What makes it a good token?
Because honestly, like we should start educating people because I don't want to see anybody
lose money anymore.
I think it really comes down to experience, right?
I think that a lot of these guys, and that's why initially I was hesitant about the guy
that we can't name because it's hard to say whether he had experience in the space or
not because, you know, his, his tone to the industry, you know, was, was complete 180
from just a week and a half ago.
Right.
Instantly became polarizing, had this whole structure.
Don't personally know.
I think it was down to his experience.
I'm talking about Ben Affleck.
No, no.
We're talking about the guy up the crown on his head.
Yep.
Yep.
Yep.
So I think, I think what makes a good token, first off, I think the first thing that makes
a good token is trust.
You have to be able to trust the people at the top.
The truth is, I don't care if the liquidity is locked, the contracts renounced, all this
other stuff.
Not only do you have to trust the team, you have to trust the team's judgment based on,
you know, how their structure is.
Because the truth is, it takes 3% of the total token supply to rug a project.
So, you know, that could be if you don't have your, if you don't have your tokenomics
right, and someone has control over 3%, it's this anon person that doesn't give a shit about
the team, then it's got a high probability of going to zero.
And it could very well not be the team's fault.
So I think first things first is trust the team.
You have to trust the team.
You have to trust their judgment.
So people that are respectable, have a lot of experience in the space that have been
around a long time.
I think that's huge.
I think at the end of the day, that plus marketing is what takes, you know, and community.
You have to be able to have community.
Um, so if they have a good team that you trust, and they have people involved that have a ton
of experience, and have proof that they've been a part of something that has has been
a success.
Um, and then third, if the community strong, I think that's really what makes a project
good.
And, you know, like roadmaps, we all know about roadmaps.
If anyone was a part of the NFT space, you know, about roadmaps, there's thousands of
roadmaps, all of its fluff, and very little execution.
I think in this space, well, you just so I love what you're saying, because I don't disagree
with any of it.
But it sounds to me like what you're saying is, just take a step further and like close
loop on it is a lot of the like, like cultural mantra about like, hardcore checklist do's
and don'ts are actually kind of bullshit.
It's like, look, everything you said, if you if you if they have a reputation, if they're
trustworthy, if they have done good things, if they're doxed, if you if you like, if there's
no trust issue into like, inherently going in, then you really don't need to obsess over
things like liquidity and like, contract renouncement, because those things actually are like
weaknesses.
Hey, those things are vulnerabilities.
Like, you know what, you don't want to not be able to update your software on such a new
emerging technology field.
Like, I always felt like, okay, we needed to run through in this corner.
And I don't want to put I don't want to leave the witness to this.
But like, is this what you're kind of getting at?
I think that the sad truth to a successful project is that you have to make calculated
and strategic moves and take risks that you normally wouldn't take to make the community
happy.
I think that there's not enough people that are educated in the space that know what
you just said is absolutely right.
It's the same way with a fair lounge.
I get it.
It's the same way with it.
It's the world we live in.
I hear you.
But but but we also need to we need to start talking about this, though, because it can't
go on like that forever.
Because truthfully, it's not it's not like whether I capitulate to the community expect
to pay expectations or not, even if it's even if it's like pointless and actually hurts
them, but if I whatever, that's not really the issue.
The issue is that that there's a lot of very clever, sneaky people who are also doing that,
going through those motions, posing as like innocent, harmless Seifu projects that then
end up scamming them anyway, because that's exactly what these things were kind of designed
for or certainly were appropriated to become is weapons against the consumer.
Yeah, well, I think it's part of the problem is that a lot of people keep repeating some
of that liquidity lock, decentralized projects, some of that stuff as if it's like the rule
book for making a good project.
But it's not.
It's the rule book for a safe pump and dump.
Yeah.
The most of the most frustrating, the most aggravating one of all of them is the five
no wallet over 5% thing that's I'm like token snippers, checklists on everyone's and I'm
sitting there going, I've had a conversation with all these other people, quote unquote
peers and security business.
And I'm like, why are you espousing this?
Because you, you know, damn well that all that that means is that if there's not a wallet
with a large supply of the token, it means that there's that the team went through great
lengths to hide the supply amongst like a bunch of different wallets that all have small amounts
that add up to the same amount.
It hurts transparency.
It makes it harder for you to tell if they're dumping their tokens and you don't.
So like that's the clearest one, the clearest example I have to like, how can you call yourself
like anything, any friend to the consumer when you're espousing this narrative that is 180
degrees, the opposite of what you're claiming it to be.
Josh, I think, I think what the end, at the end of the day, I think perceptions reality.
And I think that it's whatever the market determines is safe.
And like that, that sucks to say, because I'm a tokenomics guy and I absolutely agree with
you, but if you don't lock the liquidity and you don't renounce the smart contract right
now, you're, you already have negative sentiment because the truth is people don't want to
research that and they don't want to learn.
They want to find the next hundred X and they want to be able to look at a project within
five seconds and say, is the contract renounced?
Is this done?
The truth is, it doesn't matter what project you're dealing with.
If the project is a scam, they're a scam.
Like there's smart contracts out there that can still have code in there to rug your liquidity,
even if it's sent to a dead address.
60% of the fraud happens from like audited, third party audited contracts.
Like audits don't mean anything.
Audit firms should exist for technical reasons, like to actually try to get like more eyes
on your code to make sure there's no real vulnerabilities.
But in terms of like a certificate stamp of approval or safety, we've been using that way
wrong and it's been killing consumers.
It's been absolutely.
Yeah.
But Josh, like for certain, for example, like SirTech, when SirTech does an audit, they go
over everything.
They go over like every function and they say, okay, here, like here's why we think here's
what we recommend here.
It's more like recommendations per line.
You change it.
You need it.
They give it a score.
They give it a score.
They're like, you need a time lock.
This it's kind of what SirTech does.
They don't really, they don't really stop anything.
They just kind of suggest things.
And you could, you could circumvent.
They don't go back and update.
Like there'll be little suggestions like, oh, you need to do this and that.
And you don't know if the team did that.
Like the team will respond to it, but, but certainly doesn't go and like do a, like a
re-audit.
Right.
So it's like the score just sits there and, and, you know, there's projects that
are, that have completely rugged that still have 95% ratings on their SirTech audits on
the site.
Like they don't even, they don't even have the, the, the dignity to go back and like,
like sever ties with those people.
Well, I would also say that the thing is the people that worship some of these, you know,
on-chain checks and metrics as the end all be all for meme coins, like they're, they're
more of the pump and dumper people.
They are the, not necessarily the people you want in a great long-term project anyway.
Like, is it good if you can have some of those checks and get a good score?
Sure.
But it comes down to the founder.
Right.
And I think on some level, you don't have to just appeal to all those people that are
looking for some, you know, pump and dump meme coin.
Like there are more people out there, right?
There, there are plenty more people out there that aren't just about that.
So I think it's also like, we don't have to just, you know, go for those people that
want this decentralized meme coin pump and dump that, like you said, I mean, I think people
are getting the wool pulled over their eyes with, you know, how easy it is to fake all
those on-chain metrics to just pass all the checks and have a verified contract means
nothing because you can still rug the project in a million ways.
So I have two questions.
I think, I just want to say one thing real quick.
I think that the direction on where I wanted to go with that was a good team still has to
do those checks.
Like it sucks, but the team still has to do those checks because people in the space
aren't educated, aren't as educated when it comes to that stuff.
So if there's a good team, it's an uphill battle for them to try and explain, well, we
didn't lock it because we need to upgrade things.
Oh, dude, that's me.
That's my life.
That's my living experience.
So, yeah.
So, so it's, it's way harder.
It's way tougher for a project that is legitimate, that respects the community, that wants the
project to do well, that spends time building a team, that spends time building a strategy,
to execute, they have to have it to where it's not just a complete uphill battle.
Cause the truth is, especially in meme coin season, the mindset of some of these traders
is five minutes in, five minutes out.
I know I'm, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but that's the truth.
Well, they know that they know they're playing against the, they know they're playing in a
casino and the house has advantage.
They, they believe they can outperform, right?
They believe they can outplay it.
I think, well, and I think on top of, on top of that, the truth is all crypto is a gamble.
If it like, that's the honest truth.
What, what makes it not a gamble?
I heard this going on in Mario space about Bitcoin and meme coins.
The truth is there's only like a handful of things that, that, that are, that are innovative
with that, with blockchain technology.
But, but, but the truth is they both share the same stuff.
It's smart, it's smart contract technology.
It's blockchain so that, so that you can send transactions faster, et cetera, et cetera.
There's, there's like, they share the same qualities.
What makes Bitcoin more trustworthy is that there's more people.
There's more people.
And there's, there's banks that are involved.
There's countries that are involved.
So Mike, the truth is any meme coin can do that too.
And, you know, it's, I, I think there's this heavy type of, uh, stigma that's on meme coins
just because of the nature of what they are.
But the truth is a meme coin could be number one.
That's just the honest truth.
It's being built on top of a layer one technology.
So if it's a solid layer one, like Ethereum, Bitcoin, whatever, BNB, it's, it's the same.
You're leveraging the same technology.
If it has more holders, that's what makes it a stable project.
So, you know, even listening to, uh, Mario space, when they were trying to say, you know,
uh, doing the comparisons with, um, you know, all meme coins are just a Ponzi.
Well, if you're going to say that, you better say it about Bitcoin because if everyone sold,
it would go to zero.
So I have a question, Mike, I have a question because this is, you keep going back to this
point and it's great.
So you're, you're, the logic, your logic is, is you're presenting is not wrong.
So the question I have is I have, uh, technology, uh, I don't know if you know who I am, but,
but basically we can detect rug pulls before they happen.
We, we've mapped the whole chain and, um, and for the way fraud happens, as you probably
know, it does not happen over the course of one wallet.
It takes place over the course of like dozens or hundreds even.
And that big zoomed out, you know, when you zoom out on a chart, you zoom out on the
wallets and ledgers and that's how you can see, uh, what, when fraud is happening.
It's these coordinated movements.
So across many different, you know, uh, um, interoperable funds and tokens and things
like this.
So, so we built that technology.
And of course, like you, everything you're saying is true.
It's not very popular.
It's very uphill battle, right?
Cause we're the, the, the, you know, cops trying to break up the party.
And the other team is selling like poker's blow and gambling.
So like, it's a much funner story on the other side.
Um, but like, and the reality is like, like, so my question is, I, I have the technology
to do one of two things.
One continue the path, like build a big Doppler rate already centralized thing that can expose
the whole criminal underbelly and make them basically have a really hard time operating
in crypto and anybody can have access to it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but no
one's going to really like want to hear about it.
And certainly the ecosystem, the system is going to reject it because less more money
for them, less wash volume and things like this on the exchanges.
Right.
Two, right, right, right.
The other, the other way you can use this tech, which I've also done and built, cause I'm,
by the way, I'm big in AI is like a web three co-pilot.
So because my technology as data driven and these, these AI models love data, um, I can
see and very clearly get notifications of any illicit activity from any project, no matter
how hard they try to hide.
So if I'm a DJ and if I'm trying to get ahead of and outmaneuver these people to make money,
this tool does exactly that.
And you can see exactly where the team is positioning a pump and dump and how the movements
of their funds are being spread and coordinated because it's, it's AI watching patterns that
fall outside of the bell curve distribution of numbers.
And it's very simple really when you get down to it, but it's a really complicated build
that we've been working on for two years.
Um, so, um, my question is, okay, on the one hand you have like, this is the way the world
And so that Mike would be like, oh yeah, like package it up, watch coins, sell it to
people.
But then that's like really not helping the bigger picture at all.
Right.
It's complete antithesis to what my whole mission is.
Right.
So where, where do you fall on this?
Um, so it was a loaded explanation.
I think that like, I think what you're doing is good for the industry.
I think, I think, you know, if, if there weren't, if there weren't people like yourself building
strong tools for actual scams, obviously they'd be happening more often.
I think they're going to happen regardless, but I think that they should be held accountable.
Um, I guess my, my, my next question is what, can you give me a direct question?
Cause, cause it was so, it was such a loaded explanation.
I guess, where are you trying to sell to, right?
Because the one side is I sell to consumers who are just trying to gamble and aren't trying
to like have a safe investment vehicle.
They're not trying to build a thriving ecosystem of enterprises and corporations and institutions.
Or do I sell it to that other side, which is like the people who really do want to build
it, but they're not necessarily in a buyer's market right now, right?
They're not going to benefit from it themselves.
The ecosystem benefits from it.
They got to wait until the buyers are here that want that.
I think, I think personally, so, so what, what you're telling.
Hey guys, I'm sorry to stop you, but, uh, if you guys want, Ben just got in the space.
If you want me to bring them up, let me know.
Hold on, hold on.
Let's go to Trevor.
Let's go to Trevor next.
Cause he's been waiting.
Okay.
Do you want me to bring him up or should I throw boot him?
We'll go to boot it, boot, boot, boot him.
We don't want him here.
We want, we're going to let Trevor and then Anna.
Go ahead, Trevor.
I'll boot him.
Sorry, Mike and Josh, you guys like talking a lot.
No, no, that's fair.
That's fair.
Yeah.
Thanks guys.
No, I was listening to you guys talk about how the smart contract adds a risk level to
these meme coins, especially for the DGENs who don't have the time or like the
everyday person who doesn't even know how to use other scan or look at a contract.
And I do think that people do look for avenues where they can like be better than others or
compete in an unfair game.
Right.
So you have a lot of people who run, I think Josh, like you sophisticated models, or they
do extra due diligence on these different contracts because you can, it's like, you
know, competing.
It's like an Olympian competing in like a local, you know, competition.
But I think like the most, I think for most people out there, or like the, if you want
to maximize the market size, you want to pick something where like everyone, like, you know,
the Dunning-Kruger effect, where it's like people think they're really good at it.
And a lot of people feel that way.
And there's like certain topics like that.
Um, and so I think that, you know, I'm surprised you guys, um, didn't bring this up, which is
that the whole, the whole point of BRC 20 is that there's no smart contract.
Like that is the whole point.
The point is that, um, as a DJ, when you get into one of these BRC twenties, you already
know exactly what you're going to get.
You know, you can't get rugged.
There's no additional, um, homework to be done on checking the smart contract and asking
around.
Again, you sure you're talking about the right term, ERC 20.
BRC 20.
Oh, BRC 20.
Sorry.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
So, no, I just wanted to say that point.
Um, you know, and I'm a little, I'm a little confused why Borovic hasn't bothered to put,
you know, BRC 20 or, you know, LXBT in the, in the headline here.
If you guys are, you know, not saying.
How does it differ from board rules?
Well, with Trevor, actually this, see, this whole Twitter space was started because
I am no longer a crypto Twitter influencer.
I am now a food blogger and fitness influencer.
Yeah.
But I think, I think the point is that you, you will not have that problem because if
you had, if you were, if you were talking about BRC 20, everybody knows what they're
getting into.
Trevor, do you remember the humanoids?
Cause I really liked that connection.
Um, I really like to break down the humanoids a little bit.
We can go into the doodles, like what's going on with, uh, poopy, like what he's doing,
what he's building.
And then goblins last May, we, we should talk about the goblins.
I mean, we had a big thing with goblins.
Let's bring them back.
What do you guys think?
I hated those goblins faces.
Oh my God, bro.
I just, I just saw the room just go silent.
Yeah.
I didn't want to speak up, but, uh, no, I think you guys, uh, are having a good conversation
here.
You know, we're in the D gen season here.
People, this is what people want to talk about, but I would suggest just testing, you
know, just test what happens if you put the word like BRC 20 OXBT in the title, like
see how many people, Trevor, do you want to co-host a space with, uh, how about we co-host
a space together later?
Like this week about BRC 20s, because you're an expert.
I'm not, and we can educate people.
Yeah, let's do it.
I would actually like to learn more.
I know a little bit about, I would like to learn more because I know a lot of people
have been talking about it and I have very limited, um, knowledge on it.
So I would like to learn more.
That'd be fun.
I agree with you, Fiddy.
I've, I've been here for a while and I don't know shit about BRC 20s right now, other
than there's like three wallets you can do and magic Eden is the only place I know of
to go for them.
Right.
And I actually been talking to magic Eden.
Maybe we can have them join us.
That might be good.
Yeah.
And I think today specifically, specifically today, OXBT is up like eight X and none of
you guys know about BRC 20s and you didn't know that they don't have smart contracts, which
is the whole point.
Like the separation between assets and smart contracts.
But how was that going to, how is that going to affect the network though when you're putting
two days ago, right?
Right.
Or it was two days ago, right?
The OXBT thing.
Yeah.
And yeah.
And it's, it was a free claim.
Everybody claimed it.
And then, uh, you know, a drop from people paper handing it down to 0.02 and now it's 0.157
right now.
0.157 Bitcoin.
Yes.
Are you serious?
No, no, sorry.
A dollar 15 cents 0.7 time for each individual one.
There's a supply of, um, 200 million.
So it went from, you know, a 2 million market cap to a 31 million market cap.
Well, wait, wait, wait.
Trevor, here's my question.
What's the worth?
I was supposed to have, I had like white lists for that, but I like forgot to like, uh, to
mince or whatever.
So I'm sure what I have been up right now, if I didn't forget, um, you would be up.
Let's see.
Sorry.
Let me do the math real quick.
It depends.
Like also if you had an early claim, but basically you could have claimed with multiple, multiple
wallets is what a lot of people did, but it was like limited per one that you had.
But yeah, I mean, you'd be up a cool $785 for that free claim right now.
I should have done.
I don't know why I didn't do it.
Like I was just like, ah, like I knew it was Thursday, but I wasn't paying attention
at all.
So this reminds me then of a lot of the early on chain shit for ether, where we ended up
getting rewarded two, three years down the road for interacting with ether contracts,
such as ENS looks rare.
Um, uh, there was other shit too, that they were just airdropping to us.
Um, yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, that's like the, the craziness going on over on BRC 20 land
right now.
It's like literally, literally it feels like the NFT bull run 2021.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
We, that was, we should definitely touch on that.
Um, Anna, did you want to say something real quick?
No, I, I mean, I, I, the conversation is kind of like way past at this point, but, um,
Boro, I definitely support your transition, like your career, uh, from an NFT influencer
to stay at home, dad, with a Pinterest, like it's great.
Yeah.
Honestly, all I want to do is just, you know, you know, blog about food and bake and share
recipes with all of you.
And I think like, we don't, we don't need to trade meme coins anymore.
It would be so much better if we all just sat around and, you know, just had fun with,
uh, you know, just baking cookies and, you know, brownies and cake.
Right.
Boro, so, so, uh, I know we said we wouldn't talk about it, but, um, Ben did say he wants
to take out a few floors from some NFT projects and he wanted to come up and talk about which
projects he wants to do that with.
Um, do you want to bring them up or should, should we change subjects?
What's your, what do you think?
Wait, is he coming right now?
Yeah, he's, he's, he's down below.
Do you have time to take out one more time?
