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AI Agents Are Moving Money — Who's Behind the Wheel?
Recorded: April 7, 2026 Duration: 0:59:45Space Recording
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Thank you. GMG everyone, can you hear me Brian?
Hey, okay. hey ok ok welcome
welcome and we are set the things off thanks for having me, guys. How's it going? GM everyone let's wait a bit more of a
bit more of people and we will start thanks for come this early. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, hello everyone.
A big shout out to everyone.
Thanks for coming here.
I see some familiar faces, some new ones.
Welcome everyone.
So we have today PinkPay.
It's an interesting project that is part of the Node Studio program.
So I would like to invite PinkPay to introduce yourself, please.
Hey, how's it going, everyone?
It is Jay speaking from the PingPay account.
You'll see me in the crowd there.
Just to quickly introduce Ping.
Ping is essentially the orchestration layer for payments,
making it super easy for users, merchants, or agents
to accept payments across any chain and fiat for a range of different use cases, which I'm sure we'll go into in this space.
Welcome, Jay. Thanks for coming.
I just jumped to your profile, just follow up.
follow up. So I invite everyone to follow up in Pay. It's a very interesting project
So I invite everyone to follow up in Pay.
right now that it's building on Nier. And how it was the Niercom? Tell us about your
experience. Meanwhile, we are warming up for more people to come.
Yeah, sure. Niercom was awesome. I've been to Ncon quite a few times now i believe it was my fourth time
um this time i actually got the opportunity to speak um on kind of the side stage not quite cool
enough for the main stage yet um maybe at a future one but uh yeah no it was awesome um kind of
definitely a change of pace to previous years um previous years i've kind of been more from like
the community level but obviously this time having my own project've kind of been more from the community level, but obviously this time
having my own project to kind of
try and intertwine within different areas
of the new ecosystem was really fun.
And it's always great to see everyone in person
as well.
Yeah, totally.
It sounds very interesting
and, well,
all this crazy thing about
AI going everywhere. and well, all this crazy thing about use around AI
and AI going everywhere.
So probably we are catching a lot of new projects
that are going to shape everything what we know this time.
So just to start in here, what do you think about this? What happens when AI agents don't just think
about start spending? I would say my kind of honest answer is that they hit a wall
in a lot of cases. I think the majority of payment systems today for agents kind of assume,
well, not even just for agents in general,
I think they assume that humans are still clicking by.
And the moment an agent is involved,
that flow completely breaks down.
And I don't think that's necessarily
a UX problem right now.
I think it's more of an infrastructure problem
that we kind of just aren't there yet.
And a lot of teams are making the right strides
to try and make that happen for everyone
i start to hear about like some different projections of bees and some others
there's a new player in the ecosystem it's called tempo it's a blockchain for basically AI agents. There are new concepts that are starting to appear.
For example, not the human first technology, but for agentic systems and all these crazy things that you are in some kind of way mentioned. So in this part, who approves a transaction when there is no human involved?
Oh, good question. I think right now, nobody kind of has a clear answer to that, to be
completely candid. I think you need programmatic authorization for sure. I think spending limits approved merchants and kind of approved asset types.
When there's no human involved or key, the human should be able to kind of define those rules for the agent and the agent kind of operates within them.
and the agent kind of operates within them.
Without that, you're essentially giving an agent a credit card or assets
to kind of go and start spending money with no limits,
which is pretty scary if it holds a lot of assets.
I think you mentioned kind of there's emerging layers like Tempo and things like that.
I think Outlayer on the near blockchain is a project that's really striving
to make those things a reality.
For example, on their payment, on their site,
you can start to enforce restrictions for your agents
and policies that they need to adhere to.
So then when you're using something like ping
with your agent, you can enforce those settlement rules.
So your agent's only buying the things and the amounts that you approve it to.
Yeah, that's very insightful.
And well, going with this, do you think
wallets will still exist in this kind of agent-driving work?
Oh, yeah, 100%.
I would say they for sure have to,
but I think they look completely different.
Like I mentioned with Outlayer,
that kind of ties into what they're doing,
where right now a near account can spin up wallets for agents
from a single signature and no custody risk.
The wallet essentially lives inside a trusted execution environment
and the keys never leave that secure enclave.
So the agent essentially spins up a multi-chained wallet across near,
I believe it's near Ethereum, Solana and Bitcoin.
And that parent account can then set those spending policies
and force to the hardware and wallet level.
That's essentially the cost of the layer.
The agent then has a wallet with assets on multiple chains.
And I think that's great.
And that's exactly what we need for our agents.
But it doesn't necessarily stop there as well.
When they can hold assets on multiple chains, great,
but they then need to be able to pay things,
pay for things on multiple chains to multiple merchants,
all completely different assets.
So I think Outlayer is going to do a great job
in those wallets for the agent-driven world.
And then Ping ideally would handle the spending money part
from those wallets for those agents.
I think there's going to be a lot of complementary layers across the ping stack and like the near
stack um that's going to be really good for kind of this new world when agents need wallets
yeah especially when are those like micro, small transactions that probably,
for example, I'm currently building an arbitrage bot,
so there's a lot of payments in the bag.
And there are so quick transactions that,
for example, myself will not be able to catch
and still have the itch.
So here is when something if the platform where
you are building is is not supporting uh connection between agents basically you are not motivated to
build and you lose your age and because there's no edge on that,
there's not much builders going on that way and there's not much agents as well.
And there's not potential, for example,
a bigger amount of volume going there.
So I think Nier in this way did an excellent job
that it's opening doors for Radiantix.
And yeah, I would like to know what's your perspective for the project itself with all this knowledge that you are getting basically.
And maybe some talks that you probably found
interesting in the near come what's next for ping pay on this on this path
yeah I think there's kind of a lot of really interesting verticals for kind of
ping and near to explore over the next 12 to 18
months for sure and I think there's going to be a lot of kind of acceleration across um the agenda
space for sure I think Nia one thing I really took away from NiaCon was that Nia's really nailed
the um the cross-chain side of things with Intense, and then you've seen the rollout of Nier.com.
And I think we're just going to see that accelerate
across kind of the Agendic stack in the same way
of allowing these agents to just start making payments
irrespective of what asset someone holds,
what the merchant wants to receive,
and kind of just really see some growth
of what Nier has already built at that
core level. And then, like I said, with Outlayer being able to verify those transactions,
set spending limits and have a multi-chain wallet for your agent is also really key.
They're kind of a lot of the things that get me excited for Nier right now.
On the kind of ping side, we are kind of heads down building a lot of things
right now. One thing we're really working on right now is subscriptions, specifically crypto
subscriptions to allow you to pre-sign your intents using Nia Intents to essentially sign up to a
crypto subscription with Nia, with USDC to pay for these services that you want to access, whether it be kind of
Ironclone, Nia or AI, if you're a merchant that wants to start offering goods and services where people can pay like Stripe, like Stripe do for subscriptions, but with crypto. That's kind of
something that we're focused on with thing right now. And then also really keeping our eyes on
intertwining with the Agendix stack to make sure that we're not just building for human merchants.
We're also building for merchants that want to offer their goods and services to agents directly as well.
So not just flows for checkouts for a human to interact with,
but making sure that we leverage things like MPP, X402,
to allow these agents to be able to transact directly to merchants that don't
necessarily want to add additional things to their stack to allow agents to transact
because some merchants aren't necessarily tech savvy or know all of the additional steps
that they would need to basically make their shop or their Shopify store agent ready.
So that's kind of what we're going to focus on with Ping
is trying to make sure that we cater all of the needs for merchants
as we're going to see this growth in the space
over the next 12 to 18 months.
I think you mentioned something that probably will be new on space
that the crypto subscriptions, the recurring payments automated
and not require manual signature for every transaction.
I think that sounds like something clever,
but it's not well known in the space.
And I think that could be very interesting,
especially when we have things like neurointents
that you can almost feel the native experience on every chain from one point.
I think that will go nuts.
So I would like to understand from your point of view, which are the, for example, security things that we must be aware of when we are trying to do something like that?
I think one thing for sure is definitely the validation layer for those payments,
making sure that if a payment goes through, everyone in that kind of layer of trust knows
that that payment's gone through. So the merchant knows that it's received a payment. You or your
agent know that you've successfully made a payment. Ping in that layer knows that that
payment's went through. And also the blockchain has verified that. And then everyone's got those
updates. Because I think one kind of issue with, if we're looking at crypto subscriptions specifically, is the approaches I've seen to date is very much you need to go in and then pay at the end of your subscription term.
So if you've set up a subscription monthly, at the end of that month, you would get notified to come back and make another payment for that service. But then if you're like me and your emails are flooded and you don't necessarily see
that email come through, you could lose access to whichever service that you've subscribed to
if your payment has bounced or it's not went through.
So I think that's kind of the key vertical that we're trying to solve in that sense of
with subscriptions specifically of I want to be able to pay subscriptions with crypto.
I want that payment to go through on my behalf in line with the subscription terms.
But then there's obviously the added layers of complexity in there where we need to ensure that
the cron jobs are happening in the right way in the sense of at the end of the month,
my payment is executed in the right way and
then that's all filtered back through to the merchant knows that you paid the money's validly
moved from your account to the subscription service um and all of the layers in between i
think there's a lot of complexities within this space and i think building on near makes that a
hell of a lot easier especially with with Intense, like we said.
Just ping would have been a much more monumental task to deliver if we had to also think about all of the complex routing that Nier Intense handles under the hood.
And I think for anyone listening, if you don't use Nier Intense in your project and you're a builder, you should definitely do so.
Just because of the sheer unlocks of being able to make your app multi-chain in kind of almost seconds. Wow that's that's how it hypes me I'm pretty excited to see what's next. So going on on this same path do think, are we still designing for users or for agents?
Good question.
I think right now we're designing for both.
I don't think until recently what we were designing for agents,
at least Nier has been for sure.
That's one clear differentiator with Nier has been for sure. Like that's one clear like differentiator with Nier is
Ilya has been very consistent in the messaging of the way that Nier is being built
is to move forward to this final layer of the front end being agents.
But I think we've always been playing catch up to that.
And I think we as a stack in general are going to be catching up with
this kind of really quick acceleration we're going to see with agents um i think we need to design
for both now typically we haven't um if your payment system still requires human approval
completely in 12 months i think you will cut off kind of a whole subsection of user base
I think you will cut off kind of a whole subsection of user base.
If you kind of still need that human to approve a transaction, select the token, pick the chain, figure out all of the routing and then sign that transaction or jump between five or six wallets.
That doesn't work for an agent that comes to your checkout or wants to make a payment to you.
So that's kind of one layer where agents need to be thought of like
for example in an e-commerce checkout if you want to buy merch if an agent reaches that checkout and
it can't pay it will just be blocked completely and it won't be able to progress forward um so
i think ping's positioning to serve both at the same time, where a Ping merchant integrates Ping once,
and then they can accept payments from a human
through a checkout page or from an agent
through programmatic rails like XOR2 or MPP or Near Intense.
And the merchant doesn't need separate infrastructure
for human customers and separate infrastructure
for agent customers.
We're aiming basically for one integration to handle both.
And that's important because I don't think we're going to necessarily wake up one day
and all commerce is agenda driven.
I do still think we're like a ways away from humans being completely uninvolved.
I think it's going to be a gradual blend.
But the payment layers specifically like Ping
needs to handle that transition seamlessly
and be planning ahead to basically be able to cater for that.
Yeah.
You should have a podcast, man.
That's very interesting.
I would like to keep diving on that.
Well, do you think on this way that probably the future looks
like that it's going agentic?
Yeah, right now it's like in the middle, as you said,
or we should think that it is.
What does UX even mean when the user is not only human?
I mean, when it's not only human, I mean, I think there's definitely a nuance in that question, I would say.
I think right now I feel like we're at the kind of the intermediary step of we are using agents on our behalf essentially to kind of
recommend um recommend things for us and then we execute the final like from a monetary perspective
at least where i'm operating is i will speak to my agent it will then give me recommendations for
like a trip or a booking for example and then i would then go through and handle the kind of
um the rest of the monetary ux for making the payment from my bank or doing the additional steps there.
But for agents, kind of that's just complete API design.
I think the UX depends on kind of how clean your endpoints are or more specifically how predictable the responses to your infrastructure is
and how much you can abstract away for the agent.
For example, an agent doesn't necessarily care about the checkout page,
like I said.
It cares about, can I pay for this thing that I'm trying to pay for?
From which asset can I pay with?
On which chain is it?
Can I do that all in one call?
Do I need gas?
Can I actually pay for this within the spending limits that have been set?
And I think that's where it's really interesting.
But I think, again, in 12 months time, that will look completely different.
And that's why building on Nia is the right place to be there,
because I think they've always been so ahead of the curve with the tools and their vision.
For example, like with Outlayer, like I've said a few times,
I think they're definitely ahead on that stack for agents and Nier in general as well.
Yeah, totally agree.
And just for those who maybe are not so friendly with some concepts,
I will mention this.
Some key concepts that we are using on this conversation. not so friendly with some concepts, I will mention this.
Some key concepts that we are using on this conversation. One is the intents.
Basically intents versus transactions in Web3 today
is like the meta is shifting to intents.
Instead of a user executing a complex five-step transaction,
they declare an intent.
For example, buy me $100 of it BTC or near at the best price and AI agent or solver
does the routine everything in decentralized and the other concept goes
with account abstraction this is the tech that allows smart contracts to act
as wallets it is fundamental for agents because it allows automated and programmatic control of funds
without a human constantly singing, for example, MetaMask pop-ups.
So it is like we are reaching a concept maybe that will sound like
wallets are for humans and smart contracts accounts for agents.
So I would like to know where are you guys from?
If you put in the comments, Metapool always happy to see
where is reaching on these stocks.
So we will appreciate that.
And also a retweet because this conversation with Jay,
it's pretty interesting.
And I think more people should deserve to listen.
So let's continue.
After we understand a bit of the intents, it's like a list of actions that the agent
After we understand a bit of the intents,
will understand as a Merkley tree, like if it goes this way, keep with the next step.
If it goes with the other way, try other steps, something like that.
What happens if the execution layer fails?
I think right now, if the execution layer fails, the agent gets stuck.
For example, if it's decided to pay, it's committed to that transaction and then nothing
happens, it gets no response back.
In kind of the best case scenario, the payment would time out and the user would kind of stop. In the worst case, the funds are stuck mid-bridge on some chain that nobody's necessarily listening to.
and then the funds are just lost.
And then the funds are just lost.
That's why kind of the execution lyric
can't be stitched together
from a series of different tools
and it needs to be kind of integrated
directly within the stack.
And again, to hop on about near intense again,
that's why building with near intense is so strong
because the routing and the settlement
are handled all in one flow.
If something fails,
it fails with a clear reason
why it failed or at least where it failed. Funds don't get lost necessarily in limbo
and it would be refunded back to kind of a paying customer or a paying agent
in a more timely manner than if it's been bridged between five or six bridges and lost along the way.
between five or six bridges and lost along the way.
That reliability kind of is really key for the agent economy,
where essentially there isn't necessarily going to be a human
monitoring every transaction along the way.
You might be away from your computer for five to six hours
and you wanted your agent to buy a lot of things or pay for compute.
And if it got stuck at the first task,
it would have kind of just been trapped there while you've been gone,
and then you've lost kind of any productivity while you're away.
So I think there's a lot of issues with if the execution layer fails.
Again, which is why NIR is the right place to be building for that,
because it's actually execution layer is the strongest I've seen.
It's actually execution layer is the strongest I've seen.
And you already mentioned that it, for example, rests or falls back when there is no response or when the transaction fails.
So if an agent starts transacting at high frequency, what becomes the bottleneck?
start transacting at high frequency what becomes the the bottleneck
um at high frequency um settlement and um and routing of that for sure um for example an agent
might want to kind of like what i've just said in that same kind of sense of an agent might want to
make 100 micro payments across five different chains in kind of in under
a minute um if each one of those requires a separate bridge transaction and gas on each
destination chain um and you need all of these wallets across all of these different chains in
order to make sure that your payment on salon i went through or your payment on ethereum went
through or your payment on zcash went through um it's just it's just dead and it's not efficient in any way um that's why kind of intense solving that and
abstracting that round layer away which ping then taps into and sits on top of a payment logic
kind of what to pay where it goes what the recipient receives um that's all handled by intense at that layer and ping and kind of that speed is there
because that's what intense was designed to support um so i think like i said settlement
and routing is the key part of high frequency transactions um and i think that's also where
kind of protocols like x402 and mpp come in. Because if agents are making these hundreds and thousands of micropayments per transaction,
paying for an API call, a compute time, you need kind of that payment flow that is lightweight,
such as HTTP.
And X402 gives you that pattern to use, or MPP does as well.
But the execution still needs to be
completely chain abstracted and fast and making sure that that payment is going to the merchant
that it's supposed to go to and that's kind of where ping and near intense is that layer underneath
to make sure that your merchants and agents can make and receive those payments that are correct
whether it be um for goods and services services or be at the kind of higher frequency
level like micro payments okay um can you tell us more about uh you mentioned something like mpp or
or something like that like can you please explain us more about that, so we kind of said at the start of the call,
which I did gloss over, that's right.
Essentially, X402 and MPP are kind of new verticals
that we're seeing coming into the space,
specifically for kind of microtransactions
and micropayments,
which we're seeing them kind of really ride that wave.
Let me figure out if I can share some docs in the slide.
There is Jem Artel, who is another Nier ecosystem builder.
He recently launched MPP on Nier.
And I think we're going to see like so now MPP is extendable onto Nier from Nier directly, which I think is great.
Explorer 2 is definitely being limited on the Nier side, but there is definitely demos, which I'm more than happy to share that other ecosystem builders have built.
Essentially, there are different ways for agents to make transactions.
Some people are going to use MPP.
Some people are going to use Explorer 2.
Some people are going to use Intense and both in tandem.
And I think where Ping is trying to sit within that is,
okay, you are an agent or a user on this chain.
You are using the tech that you're most accustomed to.
So if that be X402,
or you are using your agent on base and you want to pay for a service on Nier,
it shouldn't necessarily matter whether that payment comes via X402, MPP, Nier Intense.
Essentially, where Ping's trying to sit there is that it would allow all of those payments to reach the merchant.
And those agents can still pay for your goods and services in the way that they want to pay because agents
don't necessarily care which tools it uses to make that payment it will use the one that's
easiest for it to use cheapest for it to use fastest for it to use oh and why anything to anything payments?
Oh, okay.
I like this one.
I think in general, that's just kind of how the real world works.
For example, a customer in Argentina might want to pay in USDT on Tron.
A merchant in Berlin might want to pay to receive usdc on base your ai agent um on nia wants to pay for compute in your tokens but only holds solana um if your payment system can't
handle kind of all of those different nuances of all of these different users have their own asset
on their own chain even fiat and they want to pay and they can't pay.
That's kind of a huge barrier for adoption for merchants and like blockchains in general.
So anything to anything payments at its core means that the payer pays however they want to pay,
then the receiver gets whatever they want to receive. Ping and Nier Intense will handle all of the rest in between.
So, for example, if I come to a checkout
that is receiving Nier for a T-shirt in the Nier merch store,
but I'm coming from Solana and I've only got USDC on Solana,
it shouldn't matter that I have USDC on Solana.
I can still pay with what I have,
and then the merchant receives N near in the back end.
That makes totally sense and it's crazy how far we are going on payment systems.
And going on this part, what breaks when you try to abstract payments?
Everything.
No, I'm joking, but like everything
kind of does break at first.
Cross-chain routing is difficult.
Fiat on-ramping across the world we are experiencing
is difficult.
Making sure a merchant receives exactly the right amount
in exactly the right asset merchant receives exactly the right amount in exactly the right
asset to the exactly the right wallet after fees and slippage is also difficult um refund logic
is difficult um the kind of there is a lot of things in the stack that can break um and i think
that's why you see a lot of kind of payment rails being chain specific. Like you have a merchant, a payment system on Solana,
a payment system on Sui, a payment system on Zcash.
That's why it's all been so abstracted into silos across all of these chains.
But Near Intense makes that whole kind of abstracted logic so much simpler,
which is why I've been so happy to leverage it from the beginning with ping is because it now doesn't matter. Like as a ping merchant,
your checkout becomes multi-chained by default. You don't necessarily need to have kind of all
of these different integrations to support all of these different communities on different chains.
You can open up your goods and services, whatever your use case is directly to anyone on
any chain in any asset and then with our fiat on ramping on pay with card you can pay with card
in a supported region so you can essentially pay with fiat and the merchant receives near
but that's that's it's like a complex um riddle to out, which I think near intense has made vastly easier.
Crazy. That sounds very similar to what we do in real world, but even better.
And what becomes harder when agents are the ones transacting here from your perspective
and what you already saw?
I think I've touched on this at Neocon a little bit, but I'll kind of cover it a little bit
here as well because it definitely makes a lot of sense.
Authorization and guardrails are kind of infinitely harder as an agent.
For example, when a human pays, they see the amount, they can approve it,
they can decline it, and then they confirm and that payment goes through.
When an agent pays, like I said about Outlayer,
you need kind of these programmatic limits, like spending cups, approved merchants, like you can only pay to this merchant specifically, or you can only pay with this asset specifically.
You need to make sure that an agent can't drain a wallet because it's hallucinated that a good deal existed for an item of cloven.
That's a scary world if those kind of guardrails aren't in place, But it's a solvable one if the infrastructure is designed for it from the start.
And again, that's why Nier is the right place to be building agents.
Yeah, totally.
And for Ian's abstraction is not like a luxury.
For humans, it looks like it's a requirement and AI can't stop to read a tutorial on how to reach tokens, for example.
So everything that was mentioned here, it's pretty extensive and it's pretty very disruptive.
disruptive it's i think it's kind of new in the ecosystem so so yeah i think it will be a game
I think it's kind of new in the ecosystem.
changer in the future maybe could be a trend in the next world market anyways um let's continue
with uh this section about why validators matter more in ai world. So if agents transact 24-7, who validates those actions?
The validators do, for sure.
And that's kind of why this topic matters so much.
It's kind of every payment that flows through ping
and near-intents ultimately relies on the near-validator set to confirm that the transaction is final and it did actually happen.
If an agent pays for compute at 3am on a Sunday on a random chain by near intense,
there's kind of no human that's going to be checking that at that time. If your merch store,
for example, needs, like if you've got a layer that needs manual approval
in that system, you're not necessarily going to be up at 3 a.m. You might be, but the likelihood
is you're not to be checking that. So the validator network is that trust layer, which lets us see
as a payment provider and guarantee to a merchant that those funds are settled and real and that
payment happened when we said it did to the wallet we said it did yeah and do you think having a
validator is an edge on this on this thing for example um my lately experience building agentics
is that i must to do some calls to their PC on my own agent
because the latency starts to grow if I use,
for example, public nodes, their PCs, and things like that.
But having my own agent reduces a lot the time on response
and also the agent time that takes to do an action
agent time that takes to do an action because gets the information quicker and then execute
it. How is in your side?
Yeah, I would agree with that. I think realistically, like you can build the best agent custody,
you can build the best payment route and the best everything.
But kind of if that underlying network of validation of those transactions isn't reliable and fast, none of it's going to work the way you want it to work.
And again, to link back to Nia, the agent economy is going to be high throughput.
There's going to be a crazy amount of transactions happening regularly.
Nia has proven with its recent improvements that were announced this year
that it can facilitate agentic commerce.
And that's why we are building on Nia.
The sharded architecture, the validator set are all designed
for this kind of agentic scale and commerce scale.
I mean, it's the unified layer for assets and agents for a reason.
Do you know what I mean?
So I completely agree with you on that point.
Yeah, there are new concepts that start to appear on my head like getting more deeper on the validator
thing. And also lately now with the agentics, uh, for example,
the AI agents are incredibly efficient finding arbitrage and the information
when you get it faster, it makes your agent act faster.
So I think maybe in the future,
we will see Metapool with some auto stake,
like you buy then stake just with one click.
That will be insane, especially for an expo market.
So let's continue with Node Studio as the entry point.
How do you go from a spectator to infrastructure operator?
Honestly, this is something that happened, at least for me personally, happened kind
of over time.
I joined the Nier ecosystem in 2021, towards the back end of 2021,
and kind of just got hooked on Nier in general,
and very much trying to understand the stack, understand the communities,
understand kind of why everything is,
why everyone at the time was so interested in Nier,
and then you kind of become part of the fabric of Nier
through bear markets and down cycles and things like that.
But I think when it comes to kind of becoming a spectator infrastructure operator, I think
one thing for me, I was always kind of, a goal of mine personally was always to have a validator.
And Metapool made that kind of onboarding really easy for me once I had my own project
I think before having my own project setting one up myself outside of kind of the node studio
program would have been kind of just something I didn't do just because of um it just taking too
much time or being too complex um and that whole streamlined approach of being able to go from spectator to infrastructure
operator was great.
And obviously, Metapool made that super easy for myself
and Ping.
Yeah, we are glad to be part of that.
And for you, what does it actually
take to run part of this system?
I mean, you already mentioned that Connect with Community,
going deep dive on the stack of new ecosystems.
And yeah, maybe you have something more to share with people here.
There are some ones that are building projects.
I know that because some of them were part of grants of
Metapool as well in the past some others always had their own projects and now
they are leveraging that with this new tech so maybe some of them are are not
part of node studio so what do you think what would you suggest to them?
If they're a builder or if they're new to Nier in general
or just already part of Nier and not part
of it, I think
Nier Legions right now is
definitely the place to start as both
from the community level and also
getting your project
eyes and users and testers.
I think there's kind of a plethora of people within that group that are wanting and willing to support people, try projects, give feedback and test those things for you.
So I think that that would be my advice is kind of just get down into the trenches where the community is and get involved,
get feedback on your project if you're building,
and then kind of see if there is that real appetite for what you're building
and kind of take that feedback on board because there really is a lot of people on here
that are willing to help.
And who here wants to be inside the AI economy, not using it?
I think the doors are open, the tools are everywhere.
For example, for me, building the agentic was like after reading tons of tweets and
then going deep dive on the documentations.
I think it's pretty wide how big is the doors for information.
And even this space, I think, you just give me very interesting lessons to have a stronger architecture for my settlements especially.
So anyone who has a question here on this space, I think it's your time. Put in the comments or just
request a microphone and we will let you ask to our speaker jade that is providing very insightful
information here before before going with with the questions but you are you can already put
in the comments that we we will consider to to share for sure uh shout out to everyone who stay here on this space. Thanks for staying with us. Ashraf,
Dana, the Staking Hub, Manza, Juen, Metatron, Elliot, Crypto, CryptoWool, Knight, Metagals,
Web3Gals, Vyro,ito Francisco is part of our team
Mexi, always a pleasure to share space with you
Axia
There is someone calling for the microphone
High Rollers Club
Let's end with this final question
and then we'll give you space to jump here.
So in the
final scenario, the closing here,
when agents start
hiring agents, what happens to
marketplaces?
I think
essentially, I mean, don't get me wrong, I still
think we are a little bit
ways away from that being completely autonomous.
But near agent market is an example of like where that is heading in the right direction.
So if you've not seen that, I would definitely check that out.
But I think marketplace has become APIs.
Agent to agent commerce doesn't necessarily happen on a website.
on a website, it will happen between the agents programmatically.
It will happen between the agents programmatically.
The agent will discover a service or goods, negotiate the price with the other agent if
it's not a fixed price, and then pay for it.
The marketplace would essentially just become a registry of goods, services, capabilities,
and prices.
And then the payment layer where Ping is aiming to sit makes that value transfer happen between the marketplace, the services, and the agent that wants to make payment.
Do you read about Baudrillard? There's a book that you just remind me with some of your words.
that you just remind me with some of your words.
No, but I'd love to read it if you could send me it for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
I will send you after this space.
But for those used to know,
I think this concept will be explored in a very deeper way
that it's called Deeper Reality.
It's found on
Culture and
Simulation
by John
Baudrillard
and also
on Simulacra
et Simulacion
that it's a book
just
for those
who are curious
it was read
by Keanu Reeves
before
he took his role
as Neo
for Matrix
so you'll know it.
Nice.
No, I'll check that out for sure.
That's awesome.
And after reading that book,
I got this idea.
And just this idea back when you start to talk,
that it's, do you imagine in the future,
we are not talking anymore to each human to human,
but to our agents,
that our agents basically in the future,
I think we'll have all our knowledge,
like a second brain also,
but also we'll do a lot of our repetitive tasks,
for example, pay for things,
transact, like, hey, send the money to your friend or your parents, whatever
that you must do, but you are telling your agent from your coach, very, very comfy, hey,
do the payments for that and talk with them, ask how they are right now or how they had their birthday, whatever.
And then they are doing the same.
So we are not talking anymore to humans, but to agents that represent us.
Hyper-reality basically is a concept that in the future,
while technology evolves in this kind of way, we as a human not start to live as how reality is, but how reality looks like.
that show you or suggest you a message,
that message is stuck like a hyperlink
when you click and it goes to another page,
something like that.
So I think the future will be crazy
and all this agentic stuff, architecture,
make it look like that.
So, well, I think that's the suggestion of books for today.
I think there are two speakers who want to ask you a question, Jay.
I for sure will spend much more time asking you questions
because this talk was really interesting.
So thanks for your time and I think
everyone here enjoyed the conversation so let's go first with Hi Rollers
Hi Hi Rollers take the microphone and give your question
Hi I've heard
I've heard you're with NIR.
So I heard that NIR is heavily looking to get into AI,
and they already have a robust model with NIR.
How that works, actually?
I mean, the tokenomics side
oh uh i would say from the tokenomic side of near i'm definitely the wrong person to answer that
answer that question but what i would say on the near on the ai side is um near ai and iron claw should both be your first ports of call um for near um that's kind
of the the core focus for near currently on the ai front iron claw is super interesting
essentially kind of the what you've seen if you've seen urban claw that gained trans uh traction
recently it's essentially um that but in rust and with all of near ai's security built in so
i would definitely stop there i can't help on the tokenomic front sadly but i do know that near
intense fees are going directly to buybacks um all of that is available via documentation i don't
want to overstep without knowing too much
about the ins and outs of it,
but it's a good time to be on Nier nevertheless.
I've heard also that Nier is getting into AI,
mostly on the privacy focused side of AI.
So thank you.
No, no worries, man.
Thanks for jumping up.
Thanks for the question.
Let's continue with Axia.
Axia, I'm sure you have interesting questions here.
Please feel free to share it.
Hey, thank you.
Hi, Jay.
My name is Rika from Axia Network.
Axia is an endorsed delegate in House of Stake, and we also run a validator node through
Metapool's Node Studio.
So my question is, I'm curious, can you just discuss a little more about the role that a validator plays in Pingpei?
And then also, what value have you gained from being a validator in Node Studio?
value have you gained from being a validator in Node Studio?
Yeah, sure.
Thanks for jumping up, by the way,
and thanks for the question.
Nice, great to meet you.
I think for me, it's like on like a personal level,
I always wanted to kind of set up a validator
from the individual level, but it was just something that I never personally got around to.
So having the opportunity as part of Node Studio was great.
But kind of being one of the validators to secure the network is something that I value from an ecosystem alignment level as Ping. I think using all of Nia's infrastructure anyway within Ping, it made more sense to
align and become one of those validators as well when we got the opportunity through
Metapool.
But I think ultimately on Ping's side, we rely on the kind of the same validator layer
that every Nier application does.
Every payment settled on Ping on Nier
is only reliable if that network is confirming it.
So for us, being part of that set of validators
that is making that stronger and faster and more secure
means that we'll have
faster reliable settlement for all of our merchants um we don't kind of um have like a direct
role in that but being part of that validator set that is all striving for that same goal
is something that kind of on a personal level really means a lot to me and Ping is a project.
Thanks for the question, Rika. I'm not sure if you have another question
or if you are already satisfied with the answer.
Yes, I think that I'm satisfied.
But similar to you, I also find this super interesting.
I'll definitely be checking out PingPay's documentation
and learning some more about it.
Likewise, that's awesome.
Thanks so much for the question and the nice words too.
That means a lot. Thanks.
Yeah, we might prepare a space with both of you about a thematic pretty similar for the future, for sure.
I think it will be interesting to hear both of you talk.
Last time we had a space with Rika also was pretty interesting, pretty fun as well and always um both of you have something something very insightful to share
that i think it's very valuable for our community and well and i think how he said in a gold rush
sells shovels in the air i rush from infrastructure i think this infrastructure will give you an edge if you are a builder or not, and also
you are helping to make the network more stronger.
And as well, like you, I always wanted to run a validator, and with this Node Studio,
I think the opportunities are incredible.
So thanks everyone for participating in this space.
I would love to spend another hour here,
but I know your time is precious.
So thanks for sharing it with us.
And please stay up to the news of Metapool.
Maybe next cohort of Node Studio,
if you are not a validator,
you can come to be a one
and follow our speaker, Bing Pay follow axia network that is one of
the members of the cohorts on build bodies make sure to stay connected with us there is francisco
as well from our team if you have any question and feel free to reach me out or to Metapool or to Francisco.
We are always glad to share with you.
So thank you very much, Francisco.
Now you can do your thing.
Thanks so much for having me, guys.
You too.
Bye, bye.
Thank you, guys. thing bye bye thank you guys
