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All Roads Lead to Polygon: Episode 2
Recorded: March 24, 2023 Duration: 2:11:13Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hello, hello, GMGM, everyone.
That was beautiful.
Was the static to get around copyright laws?
I'm just adding everyone to the stage right now.
Hey, we just hit 420 live listeners, exactly.
Elon is watching over us from the stars above.
Hey, I was invited to co-host.
I'm declining.
Crypto Texan is going to be co-hosting.
I'll just be on as a speaker.
We got to let the big dogs take care of this.
The big guns.
All right, we got a couple more people coming through.
If Elon is watching over us, we need to find a way to plug custom audio into the spaces
because that would make a lot of this a lot easier.
Yeah.
Yeah.
we've got uh we have some uh someone we didn't announce in the uh announcement so like uh
actually i don't know if we announced either of the main speakers today um so this will all
be a surprise maybe but we have a special guest host uh guest speaker today that uh
that will be really fun to talk to i don't see uh
uh i guess i might as well say out loud one of them so this this wasn't as much meant to be a
surprise as i guess we didn't announce it but sandeep the co-founder of fall young back once
again today excited for this conversation about immutable and zkevm and the immutable immutable
zkevm supernets the future scaling
jesus we have 670 listeners guys i uh you know what we were we were anxious and really trying to plan
this so well hoping that this would be as good as episode one because that was that was a banger
and uh it looks like we're off to a good start
all right
rocks so we have people filtering through let's go ahead and kick it off here um maybe if you
want to kind of explain what all roads lead to polygon is all about yeah yeah let me go closer
to my router because i have some connection issues here um yeah so the concept here for those who
might have missed last week it was a lot of fun um so the concept is to have a community run
uh twitter spaces every week uh we did skip last week uh the because everybody was like uh going
from east denver to east dubai and then from east dubai to game developer conference in san francisco
where the big announcement about immutable zkvm happened actually i was supposed to be there
but i i had to delay my uh dubai flight back because uh had some important business meetings but
um because everybody was going around for conferences we decided we didn't want to rush
it we wanted to plan it right and so we decided to skip last week and do episode two this week
uh really exciting so this is supposed to be a community run you know decentralized like twitter
space is not run by the polygon team we do have some some of the polygon team here which is really
exciting and we appreciate their uh their support in this community endeavor um but the idea here is
to uh do a lot of different things each week so um the first episode was just an uh like a glorious uh
s show i i would call it it was like 120 projects we only got to like 20 or 30 of them uh so we
apologize if any projects didn't get to speak last week hopefully we can get you up this time uh if
you're in the builders all roads lead to polygon telegram group that'll help if for us to get you up
and organize you can talk to in there aztec or darren or uh euphoria luke uh uh or any of the other people
helping organize uh and we'll try to get people up but each week it'll be a little different um with
some similarities so we the whole goal is to like talk about you know news in polygon each week what's
going on keep everyone uh like updated and also connected together so we can all kind of uh be united
and huddle around the campfire and kumbaya about all the fun stuff happening uh and polygon and in
the world in general you know there'll be times where we will talk about things have uh you know
less to do with polygon like macro and a political climate and maybe them you know regulatory stuff
or whatever usdc if it was collapsing you bet we would probably talk about it on the spaces uh and in
the context of polygon but also like you know we don't want the space to be too organized we want it to
be fun and different and exciting and just kind of more conversational a little less planned with
with some planning but not too planned because that's not the style of that's not the style people
want to see in space so they want they want the fun stuff and they want it to be more like organic and
conversational so we will let projects come up and uh talk uh this week and and then the weeks moving
forward and the weeks moving forward maybe we'll have more even um specificness like say uh like this
week we'll talk a lot about gaming because of the immutable and zkvm stuff um maybe next
week we do like uh poly on nfts and then you know we'll do all kinds of different themes each week
so okay enough for me uh i saw crypto texan you were raising your hand uh what's up man i just want
to say that you know i love this initiative shout out to the quick swap team thanks for having me on
uh this time and it really i think you're right it really just feels like a weekly debriefing like a
like a happy hour in a sense like happy it's like happy d fridays right this is great decompressing
decentralizing um just want to say thanks for putting this together super excited to get things
kicked off double d's decompressing and decentralizing the double d's of uh poly all roads lead to polygon
sorry i had to um but is anyone uh talking to sadeep uh we'll have him joining and then we have a
special uh guest host speaking too maybe we'll wait to bring him up um until we get some deep up
and then that'll make up a lot of the core of our conversation today um maybe we'll do some quick
shout outs i see prgt in the audience i see some meep my my uh one of my best friends and co-founders
uh doge chain uh polygon supernets uh doge uh layer two um rainy reese uh who does a bunch of
great uh community stuff at polygon and does some uh cool stuff on my twitter too um who do we got
avogacchi uh we've got uh neopets i think we've got a bunch of um is it animoka games or it's also
like in the neopets like kind of universe uh so we'll definitely have neopets up to talk about that
i think there's a bunch of games out there maybe aztec do you want to shout out some of the projects
that uh will be speaking that are on the list today and if you want to speak guys like comment in
the talk in the comments or talk to us in the builders group if you're not in the builders group
get get that link from someone we want you know this is for anybody who's building on polygon to
join this group and we coordinate his these spaces moving forward uh but yeah aztec do you want to
shout out some of these projects that will be uh probably speaking today
yeah but then uh talks with several people in the background here um i know that uh
some of the people that want to join today is like immutable um orb city tower token
um neopets is here shout out to neopets i've got you on the stage oh geez um and a couple more
here so i'll just be here in the background i'm kind of like talking to everyone getting everyone up
on stage and uh getting everyone prepared so uh we were going to go ahead and start off with
immutable but let's let's go ahead and um just move on from here let's start with uh neopets
we're trying to get a hold of uh sandeep is maybe he's in the audience i don't even know i'm not i'm
not good at hosting these yeah i think we might be add capacity from the from the amount of people
that we can add to the stage okay so let's let's drop some temporarily uh no offense to anyone but we
got to get uh sandeep in here and i know sandeep uh can't stay too too long today so we're we're
glad to have him so let's we'll get him on pretty quick but i don't see maybe maybe some people have
to drop off then he can request or something i don't see him i don't think he's already joined
but man it's good to see like you already have 874 people joining this amazing amazing
yeah let's go ahead and roll as of uh as people start requesting uh we'll go ahead and bring him up
and as people speak bring him down uh let other people speak sandeep sandeep just dm'd me he'll
be joining in just a second cool cool cool we'll let neopets uh go then i think hey neopets
hey we ended up swallowing your space um so it's i'm glad you guys are here and uh
you can chop it up together yeah yeah can you explain that actually or neopets maybe you can
explain that you had a spaces but instead we decided hey why don't you just bring all your
guys over here to the all roads lead polygon and we'll cover we'll get a bunch of your different
uh people that were going to join your spaces to speak at some point here but yeah go ahead
and you can explain yeah i know this is dominic from neopets so thanks for having us yeah originally
we're having a space around the same time and we decided that this might be a better opportunity
and just like a great great degree even just talk to everyone
awesome uh i'm scared to admit that i as a grown man that i i uh i liked neopets when i was younger
yeah that's a lot of us uh in in the audience as well hopefully so yeah we are working hard to
realize the ip we're going to bring neopets to the web3 space and we are building on polygon
uh so very excited to be part of this community and looking forward to kind of have every one of
our old fans or lapse users or even existing players to come join us in the web3 space
that is such an incredible ip to have too like how did like what's the relationship there how did that
come about yeah so um so i was originally working at netdragon so this chinese gaming company
uh we actually acquired the the whole of neopets around five years ago we haven't done too much
to it uh until kind of like in the past year where we realized this there's a lot of opportunity and
neopets is probably the perfect ip to bring into the web3 space uh we're probably like the first
kind of like metaphors ever existed in the web1 space before people even have this term for
what kind of such a gaming ecosystem uh so we believe that uh we're we're probably gonna
uh do a lot more and hopefully we can replicate the success in the web1 space and introduce web3 to
a whole whole generation of users and help propel this mass adoption into web3
awesome um how is that going to work for you maybe maybe uh or how about this actually i'm sorry
sandeep is here and uh yeah interest of being efficient with his time but i want to hear more about like
how this will actually work i keep hearing about you guys a lot of people talking about neopets in
polygon right now uh on the polygon verse so like excited to hear that how this is all going to play
out and how i can actually like get myself a neopet uh and but don't tell anyone actually even even
more maybe embarrassing uh or maybe i'm proud of it but uh i just got a tamagotchi but it's a baby yoda
tamagotchi and i mean cindy are huge baby yoda fans so super excited about that we can't figure it
out he seems really pissed off at us uh and he like won't talk to us so we're trying to make him
happy or something but uh yeah so we'll talk more about that later okay so we've got sandeep up on
stage and it looks like our special mystery guest speaker is here so we'll announce who that is right
now and that is robbie ferguson from immutable x uh maybe in in some ways i mean like and this is
saying a lot because polygon obviously is the king of partnerships uh you know with you know doing
stuff with nike and starbucks and uh you know we could go on forever but um this actually to me is
one of the most important like because this isn't just from a name perspective i mean immutable x carries
a great name but this is from a from a actual adoption stance this might be bigger than all of
the others uh i don't know you know don't quote me but this is like has potential to be so massive
and we're gonna post you are you are absolutely right on this like you know i for me also it's
much bigger than uh even like the the starbucks and uh you know nike and all that for me it's much
much much bigger than that because gaming is going to be the biggest segment where the users are you
know users are going to come from and uh you know immutable is just the best uh over there like you
know focused on as a gaming platform they are the best like there is no second for now for now for
you know in terms of their traction and everything they have 150 games these are not 150 games these are
150 double a and triple a games which are like highest quality games which are already building
with them and many of them like you know if polygon gets polygon infrastructure you know working with
them uh polygon becomes the infrastructure where those users and those games and those their users
are living that is going to bring in billions of transactions on ethereum compared to any particular
larger large-scale mainstream media uh you know and you know kind of partnerships that we have done
and then uh some of them are building great products i know but then this like none of them stands in
comparison to this so you know for me it's it's much bigger and that's why i'm very very excited
yeah maybe uh robbie do you want to uh jump in introduce yourself uh and uh we'll post a link
to the bankless uh one of my favorite podcasts uh the bankless uh uh podcast youtube uh i'll share
that in all roads lead to polygon uh telegram and then if we could get one of the co-hosts or hosts to
uh pin that and then i want everybody after this like you guys have to trust me here uh you'll get
a lot of good juicy stuff here on this spaces but you have to go watch this uh this youtube and you
should subscribe to the bankless guys because they're really awesome uh and they do a lot of great
like technical but like not too technical to like for like regular people to understand uh and they did
a great i mean sandeep and robbie uh were did a did this youtube with the bankless uh team and it was
really insightful we probably won't get that into the weeds today in depth so that one will be great
to watch after the spaces if you want some more uh but yeah robbie go ahead and uh introduce yourself
and tell us like i guess about yourself and why you guys uh chose to do this with polygon and like
what this means for the entire gaming industry and for web3 yeah of course no thanks thanks so much
for having me so robbie co-founder of immutable i've been building in the blockchain space since
2014 and we've been building immutable since 2017 and we started out by basically thinking well hey
there's no mainstream application of blockchain outside of payments i'd pretty much say that even
today and so when we saw the first ever nft come out in 2017 with crypto punks it was pretty obvious
to us that nfts would basically transform everything and it would start with the biggest
category of digital assets that people couldn't own and couldn't sell which is video games and so we
started actually by building the first ever multiplayer game on the blockchain uh that came
out in 2017 and we realized pretty quickly that it was a terrible and expensive user experience to
build on ethereum without any scaling platforms on top of it but we also didn't want to compete with
ethereum you know i bet was this is where the community was this is where liquidity was this would be
the platform people would want to build on and to me philosophically that's why it was so easy to
align with sandeep and ryan and the polygon team is because they've shared that similar philosophy
from day one as well which is to scale the best technology rather than trying to make an eth killer
or compete with it and i reason that the reason that this partnership is so exciting to us in
expanding uh and you know we'll continue our starkex instance but obviously the really exciting
thing is we're expanding to build immutable dk evm with polygon stack to have matic as the core
staking token and imx is the gas currency is this is essentially the best blockchain scaling protocol
which is polygon plus the best gaming platform creating what will be the default home for web
through gaming and i think the reason i'm excited about this is it's going to make it far far simpler
for game devs to choose where to build and we can focus on getting the mainstream and like let me be
clear sandeep is completely correct which is there has been 15 billion us dollars invested in gaming
in the last three years alone this is the most invested category in crypto it's one of the most
invested categories in tech of all time wait 15 billion in web 2 or web 3 or both in web 3 gaming
it's it's double the ordinary gaming event like the non-web 3 gaming investments which is not
what you're saying there's more investing in web 3 gaming than in web 2 yes over the last two years
holy wow and web 3 gaming is so much smaller so so much more room for growth wow that's crazy
well nothing is live right there's maybe three games that are any quality that are actually live today
and that's because games take time to build typically productionally times of two to four years
and they'll be coming up this year and next year and our job polygon and immutables is to clear the
road so they can go mainstream right now user onboarding for games is terrible um our goal with
passport is to allow people to have self-custodial wallets while also onboarding with email scale
is awful and that's why we're using zkevm to not only offer smart contract compatibility but also to
leverage what we call cross roll-up liquidity which means we can use polygons tech for hundreds of
zkevms make a custom one for activision blizzard they can have their own 10 000 transactions per second
but they don't exist on an island um so that's part of what we're really excited to work with the
polygon team on as well yeah like maybe we should um just so we'll go more in depth afterwards because
we don't have a lot of time with sandeep uh he's like if you've ever been to like his office you'll
notice uh there's literally like 20 or 30 like teams and projects like waiting for him usually
um so it's like his time we're we're honored to have him here and same with robbie like doing this
like crazy stuff with so many games so we'll try to respect you guys time and we'll go through mostly
the partnership and then afterwards we'll go uh if robbie wants to stay or if he can or or whoever
will still be on we'll have crypto texan and some others we'll go more in depth on zkevm and what it
actually means but for like for now all you need to know is this is like the ultimate holy grail of
scaling technology in many people's eyes including i you know vitalik has alluded to this um and
basically polygon using polygon super nets which is the entire like uh like ecosystem of chains
uh that are in the polygon ecosystem so like for now it's mainly the matic pos plasma chain you've
got like doge chain the layer two of doge that uses smart contracts is one of the biggest ones if
not the biggest right now i think immutable i i you know i'm a core contributor there but i think
immutable might like overtake that and maybe i hate to say but like you guys already like have so
much crazy adoption and that's fine like competition is great for all of us but anyway so super nets is
this ecosystem of chains now you can have the polygon team launching their own like zkevm coming in you
know three or four days avogachi is launching their own we'll have some more competition there i'm sure
that one will be a hit um and then you'll have now immutable zkevm uh which will be a super nets
chain and then what will happen is if other like he said activision or like blizzard or maybe square
enix we heard about that partnership with polygon recently uh you know almost made me cry final
fantasy 7 but um so like you'll have all these different like either studios or games or communities
that'll spin up their own uh polygon super nets chain which might be a zkevm chain if they want the
best scaling and if polygon uh like if they're able to use that early on um and then all those will be
interoperable with each other and you'll be able to uh like for example be playing a game and you get
some loot in the game and you'll be able to like say oh i don't want this loot i'd rather have like
you know eth or bitcoin or matic or usdc and you'll just do a swap right there in the game
for usdc and that usdc will actually you won't even know you're doing a swap on another chain you
might be using the matic pos chain where like quick swap where it has the most like uh liquidity for
swaps so you might be swapping you might be on like um the immutable zkevm chain but you might tap
into liquidity cross chain uh swapping on pos or on zkevm or on the abogaci chain or wherever these
like liquidity hubs will be i think that's kind of how it might look in the future but cindy or
robbie do you either you want to jump in speak on like that and interoperability vision for all this
because that's like the really exciting part to me now of course i mean our main vision is if you
look today at the scaling landscape there's incredible living work being done at the actual
scaling infrastructure layer so things like zkevm the biggest missing piece though is that every
single l2 or l3 and if we look at fractal scaling that's that's really where the future of ethereum
is going to go right it's going to be hundreds of zk roll-ups all resolving settlement to the same
l1 the problem though is each of these is an island you sign up on one say zkevm you deposit funds
there they can't be used anywhere else same thing with wallets same thing with marketplaces a lot of
immutable builds beyond just this platform for games to build incredibly easily is cross-roller
cross-marketplace liquidity infrastructure which means user all operating in one giant interoperable
pool and so i think this is why fundamentally if you look at this partnership it's actually
very complementary right this is the the kind of tech stack that i think helps unify a lot of the
work that polygon is doing and create what will be the single largest ecosystem and source of
liquidity for the space and i think that the reality of this is if you look at last year
there was nearly two billion us dollars invested in our gaming ecosystem and polygons gaming ecosystem
this is not from us this is not counting grants or tokens this is literally third-party vcs
dumping two billion us dollars into games building both of these ecosystems those are going to go live
over the next two to three years and now a they don't have to choose but b we can focus on making
the right choices to help them go mainstream because a single web 3 game with 30 million players
is going to double overnight the entire monthly active user base of crypto and that's why we're so
bullish on real utility driven volume but sunday feel free to jump in and share your thoughts
yeah i mean i will talk more on the infrastructure level right so i mean right now what you are saying
seeing is that you know what we all have been talking for last four five years is the hyper
blockchainization right so you know we are going to see because that is now feasible with these layer
twos and you're going to see hundreds and hundreds of these chains like you know on polygon itself
i can tell you that we have almost like 50 different super nets or these app chains or ecosystem chains
you know expected to go live in in some of the ones and many of those chains are going to serve
large ecosystems like immutable large ecosystem like you know i think many of you guys know new bank
from uh latin america there's like a you know 70 billion dollar valuation uh you know kind of new bank
that's going that's launching there are so many other things like you know you you heard about nexon
launching uh you know one of the biggest or probably the biggest uh uh you know gaming studio in korea
um so all of these people are uh actually um you know like going to have you know their own
even immutables plan if you if you would have read about it they are also going to allow and help
many other games because many of the games that will come to them they themselves have such big
traffic that no single chain can can handle it right so they might need dedicated chains for
themselves and you know they will also build on top of immutables uh uh you know middle immutables
platform and and all those things like that they have right so they're going to be like we
we expect like i expect by the end of next year like you know i mean this year itself you'll have
40 50 chains and by the end of next year who knows like where we'll be like it i'm absolutely sure
there'll be the higher triple digits uh you know in terms of number of chains if not higher like at
least like you know mid uh triple digit numbers in terms of the chains i'm talking about and uh you know
this is going to become all of this is going to become going to need interoperability and uh you
know interoperability uh we are working on so many different kind of uh uh you know applications over
there uh in terms of the how we can actually have like working with many many third party players like
you know you have players like layer zero warm hole this that so many players are there they are also
trying to work out these interoperability we also you know have some early thoughts using some zk
kind of mechanism to enable this interoperability even more seamlessly and imagine like you know i mean
just like today in internet like internet is today also is a is a collection of many many many
sub networks right it's not like one single network it's kind of a fractal network where many many many
sub networks are connected into this large uh you know network which is we know as internet this is
the same thing that's going to happen with with blockchains and we will have much more seamless
connectivity between these uh these chains and then you know liquidity is going to be uh you know also
very much interoperable as well as like user experience for the users is going to go up when all of
these chains are interoperable uh hopefully in the future not near future but maybe in in next two
years you will also see many of these chains inherently composable like when i say composable
i don't mean inter interoperable means like you know you are sending some money let's say some
usd from let's say ethereum to polygon right so this is some level of interoperability but imagine
when i'm saying is as an application you can actually run a smart contract on ethereum while
interacting with the smart contract on polygon that level of composability i'm saying not for ethereum
and polygon but let's say within the zero knowledge uh you know ecosystem of polygon you will have many
chains so you might be on a immutable highly popular gaming chain but you want to swap your tokens or
sell your uh swap your tokens into let's say a uniswap on some other liquid chain that you can do and
anyways like with immutable you can have like not like robbie correct me if i'm wrong but not parallel
listing but you can just mint your uh mint your nfts with immutable on on on on their chain and then you
can choose which nft platform you want to list on whichever chain so being on that chain itself you can
simply list your assets in in in open sea in magic eden in on blur and whoever like you know whatever
you want to choose so that kind of provides the gamers also access to the liquidity across chains
and that's why like you know that is one of the killer features of uh immutable also which a lot of
games are going to use because right now to avoid gas fees they are on on some of these chains which are
siloed chains but they don't have the liquidity from the mainstream like you know liquidity hubs
like let's say let's say ethereum polygon pos and many other layer tools right so with their protocol
users gamers games and with as well as the the the you know game nft holders and all that can
get access to the liquidity across chain so i can go on and on about that but uh you know i'll leave
that to robbie to you know expand further on that yeah before so yeah i want to hear from robbie really
quick guys though um we have 958 live listeners right now uh let's break a thousand uh it's only
episode two of this and last week we had like i think we peaked at like 400 live uh and had very
little time to plan for it and now this one we had a little more time and now we're at uh almost a
thousand so please send this in your telegram groups please do your part to spread the polygon
all roads lead to polygon word send it in your communities your discords uh retweet it and let's get
let's break a thousand uh or more maybe we get two thousand i don't know uh but yeah robbie do you
want to do you want to talk about what he was saying with the nft cross-chain uh type stuff of course
robbie i am wondering with this composability is this accessible via polygon id is this also tied into
that id did you say uh polygon id uh yeah i mean we'll definitely look at integrating i think the goal
is to integrate with as much as possible um so yeah no specific time frames but um we'll be looking
at everything um yeah just to double down on what sandeep shared i think one of the really unique
things that we offer is our thesis is a lot of future trading volume for nfts is going to be
contextual particularly on the listings or sell side let's say you're a 13 year old kid you're in
fortnight you just have this awesome john wick skin or outfit from winning a tournament the best place
or the best context for you to sell that will likely be inside of fortnight right then and there
the problem is no one can then buy that skin from open sea game stop rareable any marketplace on earth
and what our product of the global order book does is it means all of these trades can directly
and automatically connect which suddenly means that even across hundreds of zkevns or hundreds of
uh games you can have one giant order book one giant pool of liquidity and you can improve the
price for every player and you can improve liquidity and revenue for game devs um so we call this the
global order book really excited to bring this to the polygon ecosystem
that's really cool that's so exciting you know what you know what i think would be really cool too
that i've i've kind of fantasized about ever since gaming was talked about in web 3
like i think i was first talking about this uh like uh the coin boys podcast like six years ago
or something i was talking about this and we haven't seen it really happen yet but it'll be
really cool if you can have like you know a sword you get let's say you get a like a sword in one game
called the the sword of truth right and in that game it's this huge like like um final fantasy like
cloud type sword but then you go uh into like another game in this polygon super nets and and
zkabm and immutable like or animoka environments uh and you can maybe bring that into another game
where if the games agree to like share items or whatever uh coming from the blockchain that sort of
truth maybe you bring it into a shooting game and now that is like this huge like sword gun right
and so you could use these items like in cross chain and then using your global uh order book
system like that made me think wow that would be pretty cool that you can either sell the items
or maybe uh shift them over to use them in other uh in other games you know maybe your nft becomes a
pet in neopets and can battle against other neopets or and maybe it can do something fun in the
avogachi uh you know gotchiverse uh so like that's where i hope to see gaming going it's kind of
been a fantasy of mine as a old school nerd gamer uh and then one more really cool thing i i hope we
can see come into gaming with all this like cross chain liquidity and like the way that this is all
going to play out is can you imagine if like you're a gamer and now like instead of your parents like
you know uh like chastising you for being like really into gaming like because gaming could become
like a career now a lot more easily than what it is right now where only like the top one percent
could become either streamers or pro players and tournaments and sponsored well now you could just like be a
professional farmer or like you could be really high up in this game and you can make a whole career
for yourself and imagine if you can take like your items from one game and swap them to another or
imagine if you could even like let's say you have a lot of items in a game maybe you could even like
lend those items out uh in something in a borrowing and lending marketplace for nfts where you can like
someone could use your let's say maybe you have a set of magic resistance gear and like there's or like
fire or poison resistance gear and in this one game there's a certain raid that you need really
high poison resistance gear but you don't want to buy that gear it's very expensive so you could rent
it out just for that one raid maybe your whole raid you know your guild sponsors like oh we're going to
rent out a bunch of poison resist gear uh and someone else will get a yield on that or or i mean there's
all kinds of different things you can do maybe your money in your game uh you could you could lend that
out and then they can use that in like the axi infinity play to earn type game uh but like yeah
borrowing and lending of game assets with real world money is like and tokenized is really like
there's so much you could do with this i'm just like really excited to see both polygon and immutable
really going to be pushing the envelope forward for all this stuff
we actually have someone in the chat uh robbie asking if everything um
um let's see here if everything will be uh permissionless
yeah so the cool thing about i think expanding to zkevm is where to centralize in the sequencer
uh and there's lots of opportunities from this so you've probably seen our update on the tokenomics
site but we get to expand the utility of imx from being essentially uh what is the utility today
so 20 of fees on the platform must be paid for in imx and that will be expanding for all of these
zkevms but now for the first time ever we also get to make imx the core l1 native token of immutable
zkevm and of course matic is used for the staking and security validation um so
the really exciting thing is we're going from non-smart contract compatible environment
which would be if we couldn't be the right fit for a game the number one reason was a lack of
smart contract compatibility and you know even even with that we were uh getting you know roughly 40 45
market share and now with polygon there's really no use case that we can't service um so the exciting
thing is fully decentralizing the sequence up allowing to build with complete flexibility
and our thesis is if this is going to go mainstream 98 percent of devs just want to use simple apis
if you're looking at an average game developer we have to make this ridiculously simple for them to build
on but those two percent of infrastructure devs can now build swap services or nft lending as you
were describing or complex you know in in five years time i i half expect to see a goldman
sacks trading desk trading custom in-game item skins anything with
my twitter time anything with sufficient liquidity or volume gets these secondary financial markets
built on top of it and with smart contract compatibility we can now build this whole
universe of index funds and derivative products and loans and collateralization
on top of what will be the greatest tokenization of value across 150 billion dollars every year
spent on in-game items
so why don't we um i have a question here but let's actually um anyone who's a speaker um if any
or co-host or anyone if any of you guys want to jump in um think of some questions um i'll just really
quickly uh say that so like i think my understanding is that like between polygon so polygon uh and
immutable together like we're like what probably number one and two in terms of gaming chains so
like when you combine the two now using polygon technology and your like bd and of course polygon's
got great bd too but you guys like that's where you shine is like working with these like
i think that sandeep i heard him say on on that bankless interview like a white glove kind of
service where you can bring in these these studios that you have contacts with and these games and
you'll bring them into the ecosystem they'll use um they'll use the the immutable zk evm now tech
they'll use the imx token as gas and then they'll stake uh each chain will stake matic to get access to
the validator uh network and then eventually that'll stamp a direct you know onto ethereum
um but like so that's that's the kind of economics of it is you guys will have the imx will be the gas
token the gas token will oh another part is the gas token will get paid to matic validators and then
you'll get that full matic validator security and speed and then the full ethereum security uh stamped
to the chain with these like 45 kilobit proofs for millions of transactions um but am i like so what
percent do you guys would you guys say and if you want to answer any of that stuff and then we'll
bring up more questions but like what percent of blockchain gaming do if you guys combine your
numbers what percent are you guys like looking at a blockchain gaming and is this create like a
monopoly or i guess because these are decentralized hopefully no but i mean this kind of sounds like
it's because like this is like kind of gonna like dominate the the blockchain gaming like i mean if
you're any like big project you're not going to launch your own chain and try to build zk roll-ups
like that cost you know billion plus dollars for and like many years of research and mathematics and
cryptography to build so like you're not going to like come in as activision and try to like rewrite and
like like reinvent the wheel on zk roll-ups uh it's like impossible so you'll just go work with
immutable and oh my god go ahead the whole goal of this stuff is to build a an open and decentralized
uh ecosystem where people can own their own stuff so i think absolutely the goal is to
to you know help help everyone and and uh have leading market share but we're building that in a
way that empowers people you know this is not meta taking 52 fees this is people truly owning their
assets having custody of what contracts they can write in and power over their economies um so you
know the goal of this is really to create what we think will be the the one-stop shop the game devs to
go they don't have to overthink where they build what kind of complex infrastructure they have to
use and instead can just focus on building exceptional games which is absolutely what we
need i mean the the elephant in the room is that there's been all this funding these games have yet
to go live and so really our goal is clear the path that they can actually have tens of millions of
users probably like it's good to see you talking about talking about one-stop shop for gaming right
and i think similar stuff like similar thought process we have at quickshop as well that you
want to be a one-stop shop for defy not just a spot exchange but it's good to see like even
other gaming eco like other ecosystems including gaming from your side like thinking on that part
like good to know that yeah no thank you and actually um i was going to just touch on what you
said earlier which is you know does this this monopoly etc like ultimately the monopoly in the
space are the web 2 game companies who exploit players every day with a digital property system
and a right system that affords them zero value last week someone spent 160 000 on a counter-strike
go weapon you know in the past counter-strike go has completely killed all value for their ecosystem
when valve implemented trade locks where you could only trade these assets once per week and to us
that was that was part of the major catalyst for doing this players spend hundreds of millions of
hours and hundreds of billions of dollars on in-game assets they have precisely zero rights to so i think
really this is just web 3 teaming up to make sure that the future of digital property is built on an
exceptional platform and is ultimately built on ethereum um so that that's that's who i would say the
true competition in in this is right i believe these are great questions and and i know that um
mutable zk vm is going to be it sounds like you know a one-stop shop but we we all know you know
all together polygon super nets there's going to be many chains and and uh i i see avogachi you've had
your hand up for a little bit maybe you want to also talk about um uh got you chain that that information
just came out recently and you can kind of explain a little bit more like about uh you know how you'll
be working with super nets and all that hey yeah hey guys uh coder dan here from avogachi i really
enjoyed the conversation and uh yeah just uh i did actually have a question um but yeah it relates to
gotchi chain so gotchi chain is a super net that's going to be built uh on polygon it's going to be kind of
the uh the we're kind of calling it the playground of the avogachis it's a place where it's going to
be all uh avogachi all day every day uh lots of different dApps are going to be in companies and
games are going to be launching on it uh we recently just announced our first uh partner inverse worlds
yes which was actually uh if some of the folks here might have joined the polycon conference a couple
weeks ago that was powered by inverse worlds and they're they've confirmed they're going to be building
and experience on uh on gotchi chain so yeah pretty cool um but i was yeah polycon was really fun
shout out to the polydoge team yeah it was awesome yeah we got some inspiration actually for this
all roads lead to polygon weekly spaces was actually i got the in a lot a lot of the inspiration from
seeing polydoge as a community project hosting a conference right for polygon this wasn't hosted by
the polygon team like many conferences in the world arc um you know like i think ethereum has done a
really good job at allowing like you know e th dubai which i just arrived back from and then e
denver or uh or devcon in bogota and all these like these are like largely community run with some support
from ethereum but like let's see a lot more of that uh you know for for polygon and i was you know and
more inspiration was just from hearing you know sandeep over the years he's been emphasizing like
they really want to like move everything to community so that they're not like including even
like bd um community like conferences um all of these different pieces like the building like the
launching of the chains like this should all move to the community and so that's why we're doing this
twitter spaces as like a community run thing polygon doesn't run this we're very thankful to have
them supporting and sandeep coming here speaking crypto texan uh i think as a sif in the audience
we should definitely get him up to speak he's one of my favorite people at polygon from polygon
d5 side i think hamza might be joining but yeah uh anyways trying to run these things from the
community side is is really cool and poly uh polydoge with polycon uh was a great case study for
everybody on like how we could move everything to community run yeah yeah uh totally i i don't want to
take up too much space here uh but i i did have a question which uh was kind of come coming from our
community and maybe robbie is able to answer or maybe i need to go ask maybe uh someone else from
the polygon team maybe uh sandy but uh someone in our community was asking earlier like how from the
roadmap of of polygon you have these supernets and you have zk evm so a lot of people are kind of
wondering you know how does the supernet relate to the zkm zk evm is and i told them well uh there's
there's plans to basically integrate the supernets with the zk evm down the line but i'm curious if uh
if robbie would have any insight on that or anyone else from the the polygon team just curious how how
that how long a way is that going to be uh and the kind of the difficulty or the um you know the
possibility of that integration yeah really quick two things sandeep has to run shortly so maybe we
let sandeep uh uh take a crack at this one and we could have robbie uh answer uh the rest of the
questions after that but um yeah sandeep's got to run it and then also thanks guys whoever shared this uh we
we broke a thousand listeners really cool guys so cool to see this being a community run spaces uh
thanks everyone for the support and yeah keep sharing let let other builders on the chain and
users know please i really appreciate it and yeah sandeep uh yeah what do you want to answer that how
like supernets relates to zkvm or with how zkvm is supernets etc so sandy sandy and robbie have uh have
left already but yeah i can i can try to fill in a little bit with with my uh knowledge on this on
the subject please so i'm going to uh right like this this could be very far out but i'm going to
refer everyone to a podcast um on the zero knowledge podcast which is a great podcast uh
hosted by anna rose um i think the title of the podcast is called scaling ethereum with mahalo and
let's get let's get a link to this can someone um maybe since you're talking uh
you or maybe a seat for someone uh rainy anyone can send that uh in all roads lead to polygon telegram
and then we'll get it sure yeah absolutely yeah it's an old one it's an old one so some of the
information that mahalo talks about in that podcast is a little bit dated um but it's a good it's a good
like roadmap or you know a good view of the roadmap for what it was like a year and a half ago and in that
podcast mahalo does touch on uh super nets and the app specific chains and what that could look like in
the future so right we all kind of know how that works right when you have an app specific chain you
have a lot more control over uh the transaction costs and the block size and you know the the
developers have a lot more control and you know you could do a proof of stake you know staked with
you know using matic uh to create a super net but in the future you know you could also create a zk
evm super net or you could create a super net uh that isn't solidity based it could be rust based and so
you could have you know some projects from solana you know copy and paste their code into a into a
super net um of polygons and so there is just i mean like i think you could just let your imagination
run wild with that um there are just so many different types of options for developers uh when
it comes to super nets because i think in my opinion when it really comes down to it
step one polygon is here to scale ethereum right and that's you know we do that with
the proof of stake chain we're doing that with zk evm we're doing that with super nets we'll be
doing it with miden and polygon zero and the idea is to give developers the tools that they need
to build the apps that they want to build right because if you look at you know just the ethereum
virtual machine currently it's it's like a one-size-fits-all solution and i think if you're
looking to onboard the next one billion users into the web3 ecosystem you need a little bit more uh
option optionality for those developers because we've had conversations with web3 developers web2
developers fortune 500 companies financial institutions governments non-profits and they all have different
tastes and preferences for what they want in the apps or whatever they are building on these block
chains and it's not going to be one-size-fits-all evm if they need you know they need faster block times
they need less gas fees um they need different types of code bases and so more security or less security
yeah yeah in long term that's what we're that's what we're looking at yeah sorry i was just gonna
insert that but um like basically if imagine like so we're talking about gaming today but the gaming is
just like one aspect of this right in gaming you're looking maybe for like higher throughput lower
transaction fees more seamless experience uh etc but there's a lot more that's coming to polygon like i
overheard a uh i think i can say this i hope i'm not breaking any rules or like this isn't too crazy
of alpha uh i'm gonna get in trouble i think but i'm not gonna say what it is but i'm just gonna say
like i overheard a conversation about uh government uh like cbdc i hope i don't get yelled at for this
but i uh recently overheard of like a cbdc looking at launching on polygon so i'm gonna i'm definitely
gonna get yelled at here but anyway so if you're a cbdc or if you're a government bond uh and you want
to uh like launch on ethereum but you know you know that ethereum is like the highest level of security
but you know that you need actually like functional throughput and like you know for people to actually
be able to trade the bond at smaller scale and things um you know you're going to want ultimate
security right you're going to not want to use probably the matic pos plasma chain you're going
to want to use like a zk zkvm flavor and you're going to want like the most amount of that matic
validators confirming whereas like so these so super nets will become very like modular you'll have
like uh like the text was saying you'll be able to take like uh let's say you're an indie game you
could launch using just like maybe a couple matic validators or even your own uh security model stack
with um uh like maybe you're just staking some matic and um i don't know exactly like it's still all
being like the future of this is still being developed and they're still playing with some
of the pieces but like you could for example say i just want one matic validator and we'll use mostly
our own validators as our security model but we'll have one matic validator who will stamp it to the
ethereum uh chain um or like because you're just some small indie game and you don't really you're
not that worried about security you more want like speed throughput and cheap cheap costs um and you
don't have the money to like pay like you know a bunch of like high level validators and you don't
you just don't need it whereas if you're a cbdc or you're a government bond um or you know a bank
settling your your transactions between banks um then you're going to want the highest level of
security so you want you'll go okay look we don't care about costs because we're settling
you know a hundred million dollars or a billion dollars or ten billion or a hundred billion dollars
a day uh to ethereum we want to do that through like a polygon supernets and so we want maximum
security we'll pay for it it's okay we want maximum validator uh like overlap and so that that's what
you'll choose right so they'll be it'll be modular you'll be able to go to a website and just say
here's the chain i want i want this much security i want that much security there'll be a dashboard
that'll simulate and say here's what your costs uh to the validators will be you know if you have
this many transactions per year using this model and you can plug in like if you want to add more
validators it'll be this model uh it'll be this simulation and um like so there'll be like a lot
of options because not everybody like could fix and saying not everybody has the same security needs
and not everyone has the same throughput needs so like we just talked to uh quick swap we just
talked to uh one of the biggest banks in uh latin america and you know we're talking about using
like uh they're going to be launching a supernets chain and they're uh also probably i hope i don't
get in trouble for this off i'm not naming names so i think it's fine but they want to use like you
know a lot of polygon infrastructure they want to use quick swap as the backbone for their mobile app
swapping and stuff like that um so they're going to want right they're going to want the most security
they can't risk their bank they cannot risk anything they're not going to have one validator
they're going to have you know all the the polygon validators and then stamp to ethereum ultimately
right so yeah anyways exciting do we have anyone else who wants to jump up i see a sif is here
if you want to jump up hey uh aztec rock uh i if i can i gotta wake up in a few hours for ramadan
fasting i'd like to speak if i can yes definitely from tower tokens yeah hi this is yusuf uh the
group cto of animoca brands uh we're an investor in immutable but uh i look after crazy defense heroes
and which is part of the tower ecosystem as the tower token as the erc20 uh you know we've been
animoca brands does a number of projects with polygon crazy different series just one of them we have
rav racing phantom galaxies gave me sandbox a lot of them i'm sure missing a number of them and you
know sandeep and the team have been great partners um i i think very excited to see where immutable
zkvm goes you know i was just reading the latest maiden blog post about it a very innovative approach
in my opinion to looking at you know transaction orderings you know and basically trying to find
parallelization even in pos you know for those who are tracking what's going to happen on pos the
parallelization which is going to hopefully which will come and thanks to aptos for sharing the stm
software transaction memory code and so you can see the in the web 3 ecosystem how you know different
you know chains can kind of learn from each other and that's what as rob you alluded you know it's not
competitive amongst us we are basically all trying to educate a lot of users about what true digital
ownership does what's the value proposition you get what you know the first time somebody basically can
sell an in-game asset it's that aha moment where they realize oh i can do that in the game i can
basically sell and then you try they try to map it into that's how you do everything in real life you
know you buy things because you can own something right you know and i think that's what we all look
forward to basically uh rising up uh you know working with everybody uh once again thank you for having
me in this space i gotta get off soon uh i'll let others speak and wish everybody great success
yeah thanks for hopping on we really appreciate it
hey guys uh this is piyush i'm founder of polytrade uh is it okay if i take it next yeah please go right
ahead so i'm gonna i'm gonna take away the the whole um you know the scene from gaming industry to more
towards d5 which has been um the key of you know the play for last two years and uh what is what has been
happening in last in last few months we have seen the d5 has moved quite away from the retail to more
or towards institutions and corporates right so this is exactly where polytrade comes in uh we are
creating a mega uh you know trade structure trade modules on web3 rails where buyers suppliers and
everybody comes in does seamless transactions uh we already have trade finance module ready we have
around 11 and a half million dollar tvl um so i would comfortably say that we are leading the rw narrative
on polygon and uh currently our zk ids are about to be rolled out again built on polygon id we call them
polytrade id this is literally the first on blockchain identifier for web2 companies this will be the start of
their uh on-chain history uh which which in future will allow the credit underwriting piece of cake for
anybody and everybody um at the same time we are uh rolling out rwa marketplace which is again open for
every rwa place player in the industry to come and list their assets to generate secondary liquidity
so a lot of things happening at our end um and we are we are very excited uh with with the whole
polygon ecosystem building so yeah thanks quick swap uh sameep again to give us a chance to kind of present
our sense yeah yeah definitely exciting uh guise i see that you have your hand up go ahead and uh
let us know what's going on yeah awesome thanks a million uh been incredible listening to all of the
the stuff coming out around zk evm and everything on top of us oh hey man how are you good man better
better with hearing your your lovely voice go ahead appreciate it dude um yeah zk evm like by itself
it's almost at the actual end game for what we need for gaming on chain i mean this is something that i
started trying to work with um because similar time to the illuminate guys that you know it was 2013
and 2014 where i was trying to at the time get something you know on-chain gaming related working
for dogecoin and unfortunately you know obviously the tech that we had at the time was just kind of
nowhere near what we have today a lot of the kind of mixes that came up in it is obviously getting
evm to begin with evm was what made it possible when we're looking at you know a zk evm now we're
looking at essentially having you know real-time ping rates for games and stuff like that i mean
a lot of you have probably seen you know on polygon itself and on some other networks as well you're
seeing the block times that are you know two seconds or less which is you know it certainly
makes it possible for a lot of games to start running on it guise is one of them if anybody wants
to check it out that's been that's been in alpha now for a good couple of months and we have a
massive revamp coming up based off all the stuff and that we've learned from watching our players
interact with it what's fun what works what doesn't work etc but it is still in itself limited by the
actual tech of where we are in evm right now now like i said certainly is possible to have games
running on us guise is running we've got a decent weekly user base on it as well but when you're
looking at zk evm you're moving away from what's essentially kind of like everything right now that's
on chain is very turn-based as in there's going to be at least two seconds between you sending and
receiving data if it's actually you know getting written to the chain or if anything is happening
really on chain at all when you're looking at zk evm we're bringing it to a point where number one we
can get that block time down way lower and number two preserve the security that we all want from that
as well there are networks that are operating right now and have operated in the past with
super low block times but there is no decentralization allowed in those kind of networks
you're talking very specialized hardware you're often talking a lot of a lot of kind of grievances
being given around us the general security of us when you're looking at zk evm we're able to
essentially bring that block time down while also extending the throughput on us so similarly again
there's networks that do say oh yes there's a one second block time but it has to go up to 20 seconds
when a lot of people are using us a lot of networks have kind of been cutting around this problem
trying to make you know little sacrifices here and there but with zk evm this is bringing it into
something where we'll have actual real-time games running and then when you add on the second part of
that being you know the systems that illuminator bringing about that's when you're able to really
take advantage of those private networks that are so connected globally so you don't want something
from square enix or you know a huge triple a title running on just one chain or rather running on
one shared chain that's going to cause a lot of issues even with the advances that we're making but
and you know the downside to that then is if you have like a lot of new chains are starting up on
polygon edge and stuff like that which is awesome but when we're bringing a global liquidity into it
it makes it a million times more accessible like everybody right now would love to have their games
running on a private chain you're getting pretty much 100 of the bandwidth all for you and it's
required for a lot of games right now and one of the reasons that you know we have the ronin chain
is that axie would not have had a great time running on their own chain if you know they were sharing it
with a lot of big projects like blur or anything like that so bringing all of these things together
i mean it's awesome being on here and just kind of you know listening to where we're going given that
the last couple of years we went from you know essentially as sam was said before you know
robbie was talking about how it's just currency because that's really all the tech allowed for
there was currency and there were you know a couple of perps and stuff like that when it comes to real
time stuff like gaming all the tech that's coming out now is really making it possible it's just
incredibly exciting to be here after you know all of this time you know nearly god nearly a decade ago
thinking about this stuff and now actually getting to work on all of this stuff in real time like if
anybody does want to check out guise just tap into myself we have a big update coming out soon
and looking at all the stuff that's coming up for evm i'm in particular looking at the stuff on polygon
edge they're going to be launching on those chain as well and if you are looking for a polygon edge
chain to check out absolutely check out those chain there's so many cool projects being built on us
ourselves included but um everything that we're building right now is just so centered around what
polygon have a building towards over you know the last couple of years and i suppose the industry as
a whole have been contributing to i'm just looking at it from where we are right now and looking towards
the next two or three years it's like a lot of people are starting to come out with the usual thought
of crypto is dead etc as you see towards you know the deeper parts or the ends of bigger markets and
stuff like that and i'll put my hand up and say that back in 2013 when people were saying or sorry
2014 when everybody's saying crypto is definitely dead now yeah there was a part of me that genuinely
thought maybe that's true like everything has really gone downhill we've not shown use cases outside
of currency and even when it does come to currency it had to be centralized for any you know
any type of off-ramp or swaps or anything like that but looking at it now when people are saying
you know crypto is dead it's laughable when you see the type of tech that we're actually building
at the moment that will allow players you know own their own items play real time and the amount of
devs and commits i'm sure you have numbers for this because you're like you're one of the guys i
go to when i have like dev questions um dude oh my god the stuff you were saying in the all roads lead
to polygon telegram about chat and how you're using it oh my god but okay before before yeah that we
should we should talk about that because this is game changing for devs out there and builders which
i think this this uh um all roads lead to polygon is a lot of builders but um i want to ask you like
so you know people say like d5's dead and bitcoin's dead all this every every bear market this is my
third bear market since 2015 so uh everybody says that every time but like if you look at the numbers
i saw some crazy numbers i forget what they were but it's like the amount of builders and commits and
stuff is all going up even though we're in a bear market do you have any info on that and then after
that you should like give a quick uh brief thing maybe we'll come back maybe we'll come back to you
later about the chat gpc stuff towards the end because i want to get we want to get all of our
speakers up but yeah just dev growth stuff first and then we'll come back later to you yeah absolutely
so i don't have the exact numbers i have checked over it a couple of times and i've always kept an eye
on you know the bigger projects that are out there i you know quick swap uni swaps and stuff that's going
on with blur and then just the general releases that we see around play to earn and stuff like
that and it's been skyrocketing like that's one thing that i noticed kind of back when we launched
the alpha of guise there was kind of one thing that i said to the team that i was working with
is like we might be kind of you know one of the last games launched for a while now as we get deeper
into this bear market and people you know unfortunately they're going to lose interest because they're just
going to see liquidity dry up and literally the opposite happened um i mean there's been new releases
constantly coming out there's even been the people that are experimenting with you know your semi on
chain stuff and semi off chain stuff isn't having a dedicated server and admitting the events on chain
to prove you know it's been fair and stuff like that yeah it's all been going absolutely through the
roof and it's kind of it's again one of the things that i'm pointing at when people have you know been
asking me oh uh how's how's your crypto going you know the usual bear market comments and this is one of the
the first times i could say like and there's about 20 000 people right now working on just this
one thing that i'm barely even holding and then there's all the other stuff like it's been probably
the most confident bear market to get through because of all the stuff that's actually happening
and this is all industry changing stuff we've said that before during you know the past bear markets of
you know oh new stuff will come there'll be a new narrative but now everybody's more like well we
have to build the new stuff this is our narrative it's all about building right now and it's just
been phenomenal to watch it like if you look up any of like god i'm not even going to say the big
projects look up any projects at all that have been started by you know teams that have focused towards
development and stuff like that like a lot of people point to meme coins dying down and saying
like oh well clearly crypto is dead because this coin didn't go to 40 million in one night and it's based on
a dog you know stuff like that but any team that's been building and you know they've just continued
to build i haven't seen much interest drop out of the space and the projects that are actually building
and as you said it's just going up there's new projects turning up all the time people are kind
of confident to start in this bear market because it's kind of a given at this point that you know these
things end and the more that you actually use that bear market to build the better you will be coming out of
this yeah and uh yeah yeah definitely man and you know coming from you like it's funny you know you're
talking about like the dog coins uh for those who don't know i i don't know if you mentioned um but
owen here uh does uh dojira uh it was and he was one of the original doge core devs who like fixed uh
like the random block reward bug that was like causing major arbitrage and and and hurting the security of
doge early on uh because people would like basically kind of just jump in steal the block reward and
then leave right after and they weren't actually providing security and he actually fixed that
early on which was really cool so like yeah it's great yeah yeah absolutely they had the gravity well
stuff back when people would jump on and mine a block leave and then nobody else could mine the block
because all the hardware was gone it was uh fun days like it's really weird thinking of you know
problems like that now because the industry has moved along so far that you hear about that problem
now and think how did that even happen it's there's so much that has kind of been built over the last
decade or so that you don't even need to think about these things even bitcoin had downtime in the first
few years you know some people don't know a very small downtime it's like 99.9 up percent or
0.5 percent of time or something but like it did have downtime look these things were just coming
out like we've come a long way in 14 damn years but anyways yeah let's uh so you're doing dojira and
then he's got the gooey uh nfts which are like part of the ecosystem and then we'll talk to you again
later i want to i want the audience to hear what the stuff you are saying about chat and gpt and why
people need to take this very seriously like the stuff you said in the all roads lead to polygon
builder telegram group was crazy for now though let's move to um dimitri had his hand done
for a little bit here thanks aztec yeah yeah cool hey guys hi everyone hi rock aztec everybody uh
i'll keep it very short uh i'm the co-founder of bonnie block we were one of the first validators uh
back in 2020 we met uh met sandeep all those guys shreyan delroy back in the day uh when they were
very small now you guys are you know 500 plus i don't even know anymore uh but uh we've been
around this space for a long time uh we also have these kind of web 3 marketing engagement tools uh
but we'll talk about that another time um i just want to say i'm very excited i love the space i love
the people here um shout out to like matic man all these all these people i see in the space in the
audience brozo i love this community excited for zkvm bullish i'm a i'm biased i'm an infra tech
guy so for me this is like very exciting and the last thing i want to say rock low-key i'm really
bullish on final fantasy 7 buster sword cross-chain multi-chain all all over the the ecosystem i would
love that that's all thanks dimitri hell yeah cool let's um let's bring uh some more people up from uh
i'll do that right now um i want to hear from the matic man purple wave real quick and um and then yeah
i i know uh in our other chat our all roads lead to polygon chat trying to uh coordinate get some more
people up right now so um i'll be filtering some people down and bringing some more people up right
now thank you quick swap for hosting this amazing event this is great i'm glad for this initiative
this is awesome to see the polygon fam all getting together and all roads do lead the polygon when i
wake up in the morning i have a routine first of all i eat a healthy breakfast that consists of a
monster energy drink and a pop tart and after i eat my healthy breakfast i pop home to twitter
and i i look for the latest news about polygon man it seems like every day there's bullish news uh
partnerships technology uh man it's so good to be one of the polygon people and i was a cardano fanboy
for several years until i did a deep dive into polygon it was called matic at the time that was about
two years ago and after researching polygon matic about 18 months ago i sold my whole bag of ada
and i dove head first in the matic even became the matic man i love our leaders i love our community
and i am absolutely privileged to be able to be a part of this polygon family to get to work with the
greatest founders the greatest core team members the greatest people in web3 i'm currently the content
manager at one planet a great team i've never met with a kinder uh more skilled team than the people
at one planet and back in may of 2022 as we remember there was the terror tragedy the crash and and so
one planet was one of the terror projects that was looking for a new home and as they were looking for
a new home they had a lot of different offers but when they researched polygon they thought about
the great leadership that polygon has sandeep and ryan and the whole core team amazing uh leaders par
excellent uh they looked at the technology that polygon had to offer you know zk evm on monday is
revolutionary it's a game changer and i'm so excited about that they they were looking at all the
partnerships that polygon stacked up last year the web 2 and even web 3 and then of course the low gas fees
and so back in may of 2022 they chose polygon uh to migrate from terror and with them through the
arc one initiative the terror developer fund uh over 60 terror projects came to polygon so uh hats off to
one planet and hats off to polygon for being such an amazing blockchain and when i think about the future
of polygon you know we do have great leadership uh we do have great technology uh we do have all of
these great partnerships last year the focus on web 2 and and i i'm just so bullish on what sandeep said
a few moments ago when he was talking about immutable this new partnership he said i wrote it down i'm
going to do a tweet about it he said this partnership is bigger than starbucks and nike he said gaming is going
to be the biggest segment where users come from and immutable is the best 150 double a and triple a
games high quality games that are already building with them and he said none of the partnerships so
far are bigger than this one and he said that's why i'm very very excited and when sandeep gets very
very excited about something the matic man also gets very very excited about something our leadership is
so incredible it's so easy to follow great people who have great minds who have a plan and so i love
the vibes on polygon i think as we grow we have a lot of things coming this year of course in the nft
ecosystem the youths are coming over projects from cardano are coming over projects from stargaze are
coming over there's this flood of new people in the polygon hope that we can just keep the good vibes
going and that we can keep riding this purple wave together but quick swap thank you so much for
hosting this space you guys were amazing looking forward to hearing from the rest of the amazing
polygon people today nice having you here brother uh it's actually it's kind of funny i was um kind of a
big cardano community member way back in the day i think that's like 2017 or 16 and uh
uh i remember actually asking charles hoskinson about matic network in 2019 and he got upset but um
that's some some old history but it he just brought me back to that moment it's kind of funny
um with your history as well we we probably like saw each other and probably even talked to if you
were in the cardano community and inactive we were probably uh chatting we didn't even know
uh here we are all roads lead to polygon uh i see uh robert you have your hand up um with
if you want to go ahead and take it away hey what's up guys i'm happy to be here uh my name is
roberto uh from with prdt um this is my first twitter space i'm speaking in so i'm very excited
um very excited um very excited to be building on polygon we're actually the og uh prediction
platform on uh polygon and uh you know we continue to build and grow and we have a lot of exciting
things going on uh within prdt so for those of you that don't know prdt is a uh prediction and price
prediction platform on polygon and bnb um we recently just launched our v2 um with instant round openings
more crypto assets to choose from and we have a lot of other exciting updates coming um
with the recent v2 we had our new three-layer cashback system um the last one really didn't
work that well but this one it's working beautifully and you really have the potential to earn big you
know just by referring to prdt um we also had a new withdrawal and history tab and the upcoming updates
we have we're gonna be actually launching on eath as well so we're going to be on poly eath and bnb
we're also going to have um an auto betting trading bot which is pretty exciting we're all pretty
exciting for that to come out and then um a lot of members in our community were asking for one minute
rounds so we're actually going to be implementing that real soon here and the last thing i want to mention
um so uh we can integrate um our binary options within your dap within five minutes with a custom
design so if anybody in the community you know is interested in something like that you can reach out
to me and we can get you set up and uh you know it might be something you want to add to your dap
but i appreciate being here i'm sorry i raised my hand i have to get a meeting at the school for my
children so i just wanted to pop in and i appreciate y'all for having me for sure yeah so you guys like
so to add to that i think you do like revenue sharing too so if they add your predictions market
binary stuff to their website then you can like share revenue with them or something right that is
correct that is correct cool cool cool all right well thanks for thanks for jumping up uh and and
cool stuff all right we got uh versa games who is doing the uh the versa game polygon quick swap and uh
animoca and then like uh one more that i can't name yet that'll be joining so like it's a bunch of
people that are like coming together and like uh featuring a lot of games on that actually you can
find that on the the quick swap dot exchange go to gaming hub and you can check that out this is a
versa games are the main builders behind this uh but yeah versa you're up hi thanks rap for the intro
and yeah i gotta say i mean this announcement uh we heard from polygon and immutable x uh really got
me excited actually and i think it's a huge deal uh both for builders in this space but almost mainly
actually seeing all you know the actual web 2 games studios will probably you know see this as you
know their solution to actually explore and you know uh yeah actually give the you know gamers a
chance to actually own and trade their assets like peer to peer and for me it's like it makes it actually
a lot easier um i mean for games to use to choose chain as well like before you basically had like you
know three or four choices you know where to build that and now i feel like there's only one choice
it's basically polygon polygon immutable x i mean if they go together i mean that should be your main
choice and that makes it easier for yeah game to you know choose it makes it easier for users uh
especially with you know passport and all onboarding experience uh and for us i'm very excited about
us as well because it supports evm uh i mean that was the main thing but we definitely chose like
polygon before immutable x because i mean they didn't have smart contracts so you're missing a huge part of you
know most games basically you know the tokens you only had the nft part and you couldn't do like
that much uh you know like entity renting or you know like breeding mechanics on chain and other stuff
and yeah now it's basically a open sea and i think this really should you know invigorate uh web free
gaming uh massively so i'm very excited for yeah what's coming up yeah awesome by the way we uh are blessed to
have david gokstein in the audience man uh he hosts a uh he hosts spaces regularly uh was covering the um
the uh usdc crash recently i was on his show uh there was a lot of people there was we had like 1400
people live as usdc was crashing trying to cover all the crazy stuff happening and that went for like
seven hours and then we all went to bed finally at like three in the morning and then woke up the
next day to to for another like five hour spaces because everybody was just so panicked about the
usdc stuff um he was just there and dm'd me i can't see him now let me let me dm him but we'll
bring david gokstein up in a second he yeah he hosts some pretty legendary spaces uh like some of the
the biggest best spaces in the industry um okay why don't we let while we're waiting for him to come
back up uh we'll let um ken k from ben black white and then um if anybody else by the way let's get uh
oh we have mech also here um and then let's get uh some like you don't have to be a builder guys if
you're just a community uh member and you want to just talk about polygon or give kudos to polygon or
criticize while we're gone or criticize any other projects here question or ask or uh you know
whatever uh let's get some more community members up uh to speak so you can request to speak um hopefully
aztec um let's uh let's let ken he's had his hand up for a while he's from api3 um and then we have um
arcadia as well has been on the panel for a while like i want to try to go and order as much as possible
be as good as we can yeah let's come off some of the other speakers who've already spoke maybe like
maybe prdt so we can also start making room for some more community members we'll cut this off pretty
soon guys so uh if you want to speak uh let us know comment uh in the in the comments if you want
to get brought up as a community member or builder or whatever we want to get as many people to speak
as possible and we'll we'll do this every week um but yeah want to get as many people i see oat milk in
the audience i see uh let's see who what other cool community members we have in here uh doge chain
report um yeah we got it we got some cool people in here penny bags penny bags is here um cool okay
yeah go ahead that's nice yeah i mean hey guys uh there's some familiar faces here but lots of new
ones as well again it's great to see the polygon community kind of uh you know going from stretch to
strength um there's nobody else that does this like you guys so kudos there um yeah i mean this
just like you know april 3 we've been building first party oracles for two and a half years now
uh last year we launched uh quantum rng which is a public goods uh oracle service anybody can use this
feed and uh basically it's activated by providing collateral um to cover the oracle transactions uh and thus
you know provides what is a permissionless service for for the polygon community to to make use of
um yeah and just this week we've pushed live the uh the first iteration of our dapi data feed solution
um which is a which has seen a hundred over a hundred price feed pairs uh now accessible um to to
polygon and uh you know the d5 and game five communities and everybody else building um that
might need to use that price for execution of data soon we're going to have uh the managed service
available which will see aggregated first party oracles um served to to whoever wants to access them
um and that's all going to be available through the the market that we've just launched
um beyond this we're we're focusing on introducing uh oev so it's uh basically mev that will happen at the data feed level
uh we'll be operating the the auction platform for for d5 protocols or um yeah other other types of uh d5 users to
to basically operate those auctions at the oracle level and um as such uh yeah be able to capture that value for themselves which is
going to be an interesting primitive to see um yeah super excited to be here i mean just you know that
you kicked off the talk today with the mutable x and polygon uh chat you know next week you've got zkvm
it just sort of feels like everything's getting warmed up which is uh you know it's crazy but um yeah
thanks for having us guys and uh i'll uh i'll be around in the polygon written polygon group and and did you
you say where we can find uh you like where can our we should like anybody who's speaking by the
way if you want to say where people could find you or just follow their twitter i suppose is the easy
way in the audience but yeah where uh so everybody go ahead and follow all the the listeners that
you're interested in hearing more about uh their twitters please and then uh yeah can uh where can
people find more about yeah sure i mean apr3.org is our main landing page we've just launched
market.across okay you got to say that again slowly because you have an accent and you said it
uh no fanny uh yeah apr3.org is our main site from there you'll find the market um you want to
check out our docs as well uh which is uh at the moment it's dapi slash docs.org um yeah uh i'll drop
some links into the rotor polygon group uh of the market and to the documentation so you guys can uh
take a look yourself thanks guys who's up next awesome ken great speaking with you yeah we have
decks they have their hand up um uh actually decks before or yeah go go ahead and decks and then uh
arcadia because they've been uh waiting for a while here cool hey hey guys casper from d8x super happy to be
here hey we really love all the hard work you guys are doing on ckevm super delighted to be part of
the journey here we will uh currently are working super hard to bring institutional grade perps to
ckevm and we are stoked that we are closed our launch date you guys will hear more from us uh soon we
have a unique financial engineering approach that we implemented fully on chain and we will gear up for
our launch uh in the next uh few months so happy to be here uh just wanted to say hi and thanks for
the great space i mean uh you guys doubled more than doubled from last week so that's a fantastic
success thanks for having me guys yeah thanks for being here appreciate the support i actually had a
meeting with casper this morning so yeah right great to hear from you again absolutely absolutely
if you guys want to learn more uh you find us on d8x.exchange and you can also follow our twitter
we'll drop in some news uh shortly and um yeah have some exciting updates um that will be coming
awesome and i'm following everyone up here uh i suggest audience yeah give all these guys a follow
uh good to see everyone who's building on polygons let's go with arcadia next because i i've been i'm
in so many different chats and i'm speaking with different people and so i'm trying to also stay
up to date with you know who's on stage and listen and stay involved and i keep passing them over so hey
brother i'm sorry about this uh go ahead and let us know about the metaverse and we're just going to
have a probably a few more people speak guys we got to wrap it up here um uh we actually have to get
prepared for uh uh the dose chain weekly spaces after this so if anyone wants to flow over there
that's a you know doge layer two super nets polygon super nets chain we we have uh frozo genzo met eric
okay cool we'll try to we'll try to get to as many as we can okay okay yeah cool so hi hi everyone
um first of all um congrats for the space i saw that you guys reached 1k uh people listening so
definitely great goal you achieved congrats um and one of the reasons i actually joined it's because
i saw the title and saw that the title was all rosalie to polygon and i heard in this space so many
things related to supernet to zkvm d5 but i would love to give my different perspective on this and
first of all what we've been building briefly it's the first theme park powered by blockchain
and in this theme park multiple nft communities can come and compete so you are able to play with
your nft that's what makes us unique and regarding the different perspective around the the title
and the discussion here i really believe that polygon right now is becoming the epicenter of two
things first of all gaming and secondly pfp culture you can look at all the nft projects
uh first of all terramatic man just mentioned that terra migrated 60 projects to um polygon right now we
have youth bridging from solana i see tens of projects coming from stargaze to to polygon so
definitely there's an incredible hub of nft pfp projects coming to polygon and this definitely is the
the is the difference that i want to point out is the fact that nfts and pfps by itself are somehow
that something that brings culture to a chain and i believe that until now polygon missed this part
right incredible tech incredible gaming infrastructure right but right now this nft pfp culture was missing
and it's happening right now and i believe that it's gonna grow so much in on polygon and that's
why we're building what we're building uh this theme park where people can play where people can use
their nfts and play against each other right we are somehow bridging the um gap between all these nft
communities that was one problem that we saw in the market that when the moment you would you would get
an nft you're joining that community right and um you it would be really hard for you to enter and
experience other communities even even if you didn't get their nfts so right now we're building
this metaverse some people call it but where you can use your nfts playable character and with this
growth of um pfp culture and a lot of projects that are coming and that are minting right now on
on polygon or soon definitely this is going to grow and for us as arcadia it's the perfect place to come
and build a team park on polygon because there's so much growth so much great minds so much great
founders that are coming and want to build here and i believe that for everyone in the audience who
wants to maybe start the project polygon is the place to be right now for you
100 percent i mean that's the whole point of this all roads lead to polygon the way we name this is
like it truly in like so many ways all roads lead to polygon i really do believe it'll be the functional
like i think it'll hold 80 to 90 percent of all the the layer two scaling of ethereum personally um and
maybe maybe not forever maybe other people will come in and and also be able to do uh like zk roll
ups uh as good as polygon but for now they're like pretty far ahead of everyone else um so yeah and the
bd train is already it's steamrolling everything and now you've got immutable x's entire team bd team is
now bringing everyone into like the polygon ecosystem as a tech stack uh and it's good for everyone involved
and you'll have you know other other like you know every like every chain and every person that
joins this the polygon supernets ecosystem brings in their entire bd team right like so like a dose
chain is an example where you've got um uh so dose chain layer two of doge built using polygon supernets
well in the first five days it launched it had 600 projects launch so that's that's one of the
supernets chains and there will be hundreds of them maybe thousands of them and on that chain alone
there's thousands of projects you know 600 in the first five days and every one of those projects
is is a bd team bringing people into dose chain which is polygon and every immutable like game that
comes will be a separate bd team bringing people to polygon so you have an army of hundreds or thousands
i mean definitely thousands i mean there's already i think they said there was like how many last week
sandeep said there was like someone did a study and there was like 30 000 or something um daps on
polygon so every one of those is a separate bd team for polygon like quick swap for example we brought
over the years you know we spent i probably brought over i don't know at least 500 probably over a thousand
projects to polygon so the quick swap bd team is a mini polygon bd team the avogachi bd team is a mini
polygon bd team like the projects with like on dose chain all the projects within it are mini bt teams
i was just talking to like there's a club called the smoke club in uh in uh dose chain uh that basically
is like helping to build up the nft ecosystem within dose chain well all and they're every they're a mini
bd team every project that they're helping with their nfts is a mini bd team so there's like bd teams
within bd teams with nbd teams just bringing over you know thousands of projects and people into
polygons so like truly all roads are leading to polygon totally agree so uh we are winding down soon
oh there's we have a couple more people here that we want to speak to um eric can you go ahead and uh
let us know what's going on hey guys yeah yeah totally thank you so much for having me um so i'm
eric parker i'm the ceo co-founder of giddy we're at giddy defy on socials giddy.co's website uh check out
our youtube ad by the way we just passed uh 1.5 million views where uh it's this awesome advertisement
for defy um so giddy is the easiest way to do defy right now wait sorry what are we checking out
your youtube what oh yeah so on our youtube channel our giddy defy uh we made an ad it's kind of like a
tv spot that uh talks about what banking is doing how defy is related how you can take control of your
funds and get get uh into the space uh so yeah we're up to i think oh dude i think i saw i think i saw
that one let's let's post a link to it um it's hilarious it's very funny i think i saw it maybe
um put put the link in the all roads lead to polygon um builders telegram group and then uh we'll pin it
yeah yeah you got it i'll i'll do that just uh right after we're right after i go on mute basically
yeah so it gets it gets amazing reactions amazing traction every single time and like it really is a
a representation of what we're doing which um us as builders we understand this a little bit better
but we're bringing erc 4337 account abstraction to life we're building a smart wallet with with smart
accounts uh we built one tap staking into the best protocols available it's it's a recoverable wallet
there's gas abstraction there's a lot of beauty in in it and it's and it's cutting edge stuff it's an
experience that you've never had before and i recommend everybody go grab the app try it out you can put
usdc in it you can use that as an input to any of our staking integrations and by the way a bit of
alpha on that uh we're doing a native mobile integration for quick swap v3 with a gamma liquidity
band management on on top and the giddy app so that's coming really soon we're super stoked about
that nice let's go b3 and gamma dude oh man and you guys know this but i am so so so bullish on this
new version of liquidity how we handle it and uh anyway it's it's going to be beautiful
bro the aprs man like i you know i i hate to like uh be a shiller here but like guys go to
quicksoft.exchange and look at the gamma farms go to go to farms tab and look at the aprs they've been
ranging like i think i saw like you know uh usdc eth has been ranging like 70 to 130 for the last like
weeks and maybe months um and then you got like um gosh uh gns uh and um eat matic i think was like
130 or something bitcoin eth has been like like around 10 to 20 percent uh stable pairs are like
20 percent so like if you're in v2 we still have like i don't know how much over 100 million in
liquidity on v2 you guys gotta move it you're wasting your your money you're not you're not getting the
yields of v3 v3 is getting massively more volume like we hit over 200 million a day in volume on
our v3 the concentrated liquidity is just so efficient so you gotta move your liquidity from
v2 to v3 please uh and it's automated so you don't have to worry about like normal v3 problems
of like moving your ranges and all that um through gamma which is built into our website it's automated
so you just just like v2 you just put your usdc eth or your your matic eth or whatever your bitcoin
eat that's one of my favorites bitcoin eat because it has such low and permanent loss because they
track each other um it's conservative and i hold a lot of bitcoin eat anyway so like any of those
pairs just put it in and there's tons of small pairs too like tons of rewards or i don't know
there must be like 50 100 pools or something um that you could find you could put like uh other stuff
too but uh like that's not even um featured uh in our v3 but uh yeah anyways check it out crazy
rewards guys we're pumping like almost a million dollars a month in farming rewards into it but it's the
farming rewards is just one part the trading fees on most days are higher than the farming rewards so
it's just really efficient v3 i mean thank you to uniswap for for inventing you know concentrated
liquidity and then we built our own version of it so we're standing on the shoulders of giants here
but uh yeah incredible efficiency and like so like a small amount of liquidity can handle you know like
probably 10 to 20 amount times the amount of volume as v2 could that's why we're getting so much volume
on this and that's why the trading fees are coming back to the lps in like massive ways so yeah check
it out guys exactly chill over sorry oh no like i'm with you and and by the way we're looking to do
a deep dive on this topic with the polygon team and your team really soon and like experiencing what
it feels like to stake into that in the giddy app with just one tap abstracted gas like we're trying
to bring that to the mainstream to the retail uh crypto you know enthusiast and this is exactly it's an
inflection point in my opinion uh going from the insane um inflationary yield of defy summer which
is super fun i'm sure we all had a lot of like really good experiences to the more stable version
of real yield where you're you're putting your money to work in hyper efficient liquidity pools and
getting back out all of the benefit this is precisely the point of defy is to give you the holder of your
keys and your yield the the full benefit of the power of the system so we're so stoked on that
and by the way i just have to say just a huge shout out to to rock aztec hamza crypto texan this
this is extremely important work you're doing and i just want to say on behalf of all polygon builders
thank you so much for being here um i wanted to comment just super quickly on what was said earlier
about the strength of the space and our use cases just this morning a local vc who by the way has
web3 companies in their portfolio they just tweeted this morning about how web3 and crypto
after five years or whatever don't have any use cases and he compared web3 with the chat gpt app
which is just hilarious to me uh it's it's funny to me to hear people who have basically no interest
in engaging with the space give their opinion on on on what it's supposed to do or what they think it
should do and intellectually it's the easiest thing you can do as a vc firm you jump on the fud bandwagon
and dunk on something that vcs pull back from as they chase other trends like ai apps it's
predictable and look here's the thing they're just going to come right back to the space
especially as zke the empowered gaming goes global as it as it totally goes to the moon as we bring
the power of d5 to more people they're just going to be back like this is the fourth or fifth time that
this happened so um i also wanted to say that the giddy team is spending a lot of our time and
resources defending the space and educating our our government leaders our our politicians and civil
leaders in the space um we're located in utah and we spend so much time talking to our leaders
about what we do why it's important how it's different how we can actually protect people
from things like bank runs with the power of decentralized tech so we're fighting that fight
we're going to keep doing it a lot of it is in the background a lot of it's kind of hard to detect
and understand in grok but we're there every single day so anyway thank you so much for having me on
here i i really love just the the builders here like it's such an excellent amazing community
i um i'll go i'll link that youtube video it's so much fun um giddy.co is a website giddy defy
is our socials highly recommend you check us out would love to hear your thoughts about what we're
building and how we our approach to bringing account abstraction to life we are implementing erc
uh four three three seven so uh thank you so much guys awesome man appreciate your your support and
the stuff you guys are doing in the industry man uh and yeah like you know what it's okay if the vcs
want to talk trash you know even my favorite podcast uh which uh like non-crypto podcast is
the all-in podcast with chamath polyapathia and uh david sachs and and co uh and like uh they're just
like so negative about crypto right now and it's so annoying because they were all talking about it so
much in the bull run and now they're like oh it was maybe a fad or whatever and it's like you know what
it's nice to see actually because it's going to be fun that you know us hardcore nerds are the
ones that are going to front run the vcs you know so they can come back and buy our bags later
and it happened it happened on the last cycle and it's just going to happen again
yeah we always like joke and quick swap since we never raised any funds uh it's like uh we've
we've thought about doing a raise but for like legal reasons and like community decentralization
reasons we haven't um and we had like a lot of biggest theses in the world actually who were
asking us to do a raid but um we kind of joke because we gave all the tokens to the community
and we joke that like you know if we ever do a raise it'll be like the community gets to dump
on the vcs it's kind of fun like way of looking at it but i we have magic eden uh just joined uh super
excited about magic eden coming over one of the biggest if not the biggest uh nft marketplace on solana
has now come to polygon which shows all roads lead to polygon um they're doing some really really
really cool stuff like i i've heard from many people like um i actually admittedly haven't used
magic eden because i don't use solana but um now that's here on polygon i'll definitely be trying it
but i've heard from a lot of people that it's like the best ui in in nft marketplaces so uh really
excited to have magic eden here uh go ahead magic eden if you want to jump up maybe tell us about what
what you're doing happy to be here uh my name is johnny i've been in the polygon ecosystem since uh
2021 uh obviously like part of the the magicene team as well uh really happy to be here on this
panel a lot of familiar faces obviously uh always great to see the crypto techs and out here um but
no like obviously you know love hearing what you're saying i think that's kind of the beauty
and us coming over to polygon right is there's this ecosystem obviously like from a personal point
of view that's like always really had the this core group community that's always kind of stayed
in this this inside realm and not been overly outspoken and see this recent surge uh it's really
cool to be a part of and you know as we see more and more projects coming and launching on polygon you
know for example a lot of the ones that are up here on this panel right now uh it's really showing you
know kind of to meet what you're saying in this space is all roads really do lead the polygon and uh
it's a privilege to be able to you know come alongside and help you know serve this community
and and be a great platform as as much as we possibly can hey johnny i actually reached out
to you in the matic militia recently i don't think you saw it it's really busy in the the chat but um
dimitri was talking to me about you all the great things you're doing with uh magic eden on polygon so
yeah definitely excited to talk to you also added you
did it did it rug or did i run i don't know i think we're good we're still okay cool cool yeah
no yeah aztec i'll uh be sure to get back in response to you i'm sorry my dms have been uh
recently flooded uh surprisingly enough i i i don't think it's surprising now you're uh you know
solana has a great community especially the community you guys are basically built in the
nft side there but uh now you get to see the power of uh the purple power of polygon people
the purple wave baby the purple wave love to be a part of let's go
yeah well great talking with you johnny and uh and we're hoping to do more together i was reaching out
to see uh you know we have any synergies and if you need any help with anything in the polygon ecosystem
but uh yeah um we we also have um brozo and mech.com um i i know we're we're trying to wind down rock
uh but we were still getting more requests i i'm not sure if you want to just kind of continue with the
panel that we have now let's let's do let's do those two and then i want to get at least one more
community member up uh maybe a couple community members too like not just builders because like
you know polygon builds the infrastructure at the base layer for the builders to come and build and then
the whole point of all this is the users in the community so let's bring up some community
uh members doesn't matter who you are if you're you don't have to be a big person or not let's just
bring up some community members maybe they can talk about their their thoughts on polygon uh
good or bad either way yeah please request and um i'll try to get you up on stage
uh maybe we can have uh mech's been on the panel for a while maybe we can uh let them talk about the
game that they're developing yeah do we need to drop some um some speakers so we can bring up community
members too um maybe arcadia since they already spoke ken spoke um gooey's uh owen will probably
drop you off too and we'll come back to the chat gp stuff uh next week if that's if that's cool want
to hear about that though it's crazy stuff if you're in the all-worldly polygon group look at the stuff
he posted in there it's crazy what he's doing with chat gpt right now sorry to leave everyone hanging
on that but we we do want to wrap up pretty soon uh and and yeah we're kind of running late already to
wrap up thanks everyone for staying so long by the way i know we've we've lost a lot of followers
um listeners uh we peaked at 1100 which was pretty crazy uh thanks everyone who's staying so long oh
why don't we um someone okay if uh someone could please like go randomly i don't know how we could
do this like barely but maybe randomly just pick like maybe 10 people and we're going to give some nfts
away um in the future what we want to do guys uh any projects who want to uh who want to donate nfts
we'll start doing like nft giveaways like every uh every spaces uh so like if any projects want to
donate nfts we'll give them away to the community uh so we've got uh we've got you reach out in the
all roads lead polygon group if you want to donate like so we'll give like say at least 10 maybe if
someone could get info of like maybe 20 um people in here we'll give like 10 or 20 or whatever away um
uh if if projects don't come up and donate i'll just give them away myself uh or if projects want
to donate that would be cool we'll give away yours so um yeah to dm um aztec any of the co or dm aztec
uh or talking to all roads lead a polygon group if you want to donate some nfts and then so who could
who could um take names of like random like uh 20 people uh oh actually we'll just we'll message
an internal group and let someone figure out who can just take some random names from the list don't
um don't like cherry pick like your favorite projects and stuff let's pick mostly community
members for this like maybe people that have unrec that we don't know that who they are that would
probably be even better like just random people okay cool um okay mech i think mech.com yeah mech.com
um you know uh thanks for pulling me up thanks for putting on the space love polygon spaces love
twitter spaces uh i know you guys gotta gotta head out so i'm gonna give you the quick elevator pitch
i've done so many twitter spaces i've got a 30 second version one minute two minute five minute ten
minute so i'm gonna give you somewhere right in the middle um we've spent the last year and a half
building out this custom game engine that's infused with ai and that's going to power our browser-based
no code game building platform you're going to be able to make your own games without needing to
know how to code without even having any crypto experience we're going to make it incredibly easy
and the main difference between this and every other large billion dollar company that offers the
same service is that we're the only one who lets you own it the nft is going to be the game
so you're going to be able to use our prompt based ai asset creator tool just like you've
seen in chat gpt that you guys are talking about and some of these other large companies out here
you're going to be used you're going to be able to use that to design your own in-game assets
you're going to be able to design multiple of them put them together set up this entire gaming
experience for you or whoever that you want to play with or let play your game you're going to be able
to monetize it too and we're going to get into that later on um you know when it comes to the
announcements and really explaining how it works to the community but everything that we've done
we've created this entire platform we took care of all of the physics all of the gameplay modes
everything complicated that you would need to know we handle all of that to make it incredibly
easy for you you're going to be able to select from the predetermined game modes that we program
into this engine both hyper both hyper casual and casual games single player multiplayer we've
got tons for just about any type of gamer out there and you know uh we handle all the complex coding
like i said everything in the back end we make it incredibly easy that anybody can do it mobile and pc
since it's browser-based we're incredibly flexible with that we don't want to limit someone to either pc
or either the the mobile device so as easy as it is you're going to be able to just type in
one v one western style shooter game and it's going to come up with you know a western design
old school cowboy looking sort of thing if you want a 20 v 20 team death match cyberpunk style
that's exactly what it's going to come up with you're going to be able to choose from first and
third person shooters racing games multiplayer online battle arena games capture the flag and
different variants of those you're going to be able to toy with the with the rules in the game so
if you want some specific aspect of the game maybe you want a shooter game but you have to go in this
direction and then that direction first you're going to be able to set that up in the game make it
incredibly easy we're looking into actually letting people use their pfp to play in this game as a skin
down the line as well uh really looking to release more games we've been released we released one game
a hyper casual match three game for the community to help us alpha test uh we're going to be releasing a
few more in the next couple of months and these are basically examples of what you're going to be
able to build the whole platform is really made for anybody who wants to build a game but doesn't
have the technical experience doesn't have an entire team of developers doesn't have the graphic
designers you're going to be able to use ai use our platform create your own game and play games that
are built and developed and made by the community that's one of the most incredible parts of it our
website mech.com is where everything's going to be you're going to go there to this open world
gaming universe be able to look at your game all of the analytics for that and also thousands of
other games that are built by members of the community
that sounds awesome brother i i definitely want to deep dive mech.com and uh look into the game and
everything that you guys are developing uh it sounds exciting i think i was just recently uh i saw i
saw you retweeted uh by someone and i was looking over some of the uh things that you guys are developing
so it looks it looks really great and uh can't wait to dive into it more um but yeah thanks for uh letting
us know about everything and uh brozo let us uh let us know what's going on i see like i'm always
working i'm always doing something in this space you know crypto never sleeps but uh whenever i look
at my timeline if i see something with brozo there's like a ton of people um trying to get into the mint or
or uh you know clamoring for you know essentially to get get whitelisted i think is what i was seeing
recently so uh let me know what's going on yo what's going on i just want to say also i really
enjoyed this space so far i've been uh just like doing some work in the background and it's been
just an enjoyable space to listen to a lot of cool projects and people building community members and
whatnot but um yeah so things are going uh really well for us right i know i gotta be quick you guys are
wrapping up so we mint on uh march 28th uh it starts at 7 p.m utc for the ogs uh 8 p.m for the white
list and then the public will follow after that uh there's 8008 brozos mint prices 30 matic if anybody
missed it and wallet submission is live right now on magic eden so if you do have those roles please do
not forget to submit your wallet um you don't want to miss it uh so yeah i mean i just i had to be quick
so awesome um by the way uh thanks for speaking and thanks for the support man um we've got uh we
just asked in the all roads lead polygon group we got a couple volunteers to give away some nfts
so we got uh dimitri from bounty block one of the og uh validators uh polygon validators is going to give
away one wreck dog two scurpy towns one billionaire zombies club and two polygon parks and then we
have um we have owen is going to give away five guis uh so what we're the way we're going to do it i
think is um we're going to just take random people from the audience and then we're going to double
check that they retweeted the space at some point so if you haven't you can retweet it even though it's
ending people could still listen to the the uh the recording later but yeah we're going to give
it away to uh uh i think i don't know how many that is all and then i'll add um another 10 um like
so my profile picks a real doge punk uh on uh dose chain a polygon supernet and then we'll give away um
i think we've got um from the east denver actually actually i let me correct i'm not going to give these
away these are um the community actually already donated these to be given away at east denver
but we didn't uh give them all out um so like we'll give uh some i think there's some doge blinders
real doge punks um some uh drug tuskies um some doge bears and some other stuff so we'll give like
maybe 10 of a mixture of those away plus the ones we already named if anyone else wants to donate let
us know in that all roads lead a polygon group we'll just give away a bunch so maybe um um darren uh
uh uh panda dragon uh we'll take a bunch of names and then we'll just give away a bunch of stuff to
people in the audience hopefully people reply on on twitter add um shoot what's darren's twitter
handle guys so we can have him uh i've already got a bunch i've took a bunch of screenshots i'll reach
out okay and you'll be able to reach out to them hopefully your dms are open but okay cool we're
going to give away a bunch of nfts guys uh we'll make a better structure for this in the future
this was like a last minute idea but um and it's cool that like we didn't tell people so nobody came
to the spaces for this but it's like thanks for being so supportive and staying till the end uh
everyone okay cool uh who else do we have to speak and then we'll cut this off pretty quick here
do you have enough names um you should have however many guis plus the ones dimitri's giving
away plus say at least uh at least 10 more of other nfts yeah yeah we'll get away from dose chain
yeah we have uh we have one brave community member that came up russell um there was another
but it looks like they dropped so go ahead and take it away russell all right all right can you guys
hear me okay yes yeah all right okay so so first off um uh mech uh mech.com i am super excited um
i didn't hear you drop alpha on if uh this will be playable on my blackberry um so yeah if you'll
just let me know that and then brozo i got super excited um and i accidentally slid up in uh magic
eden's dms i sent them my seed phrase instead of my wallet address so magic eden if you're listening
just delete that please um and i'll send you my wallet but um uh yeah uh so i thought i'd come up
so i'm new to polygon um i made uh the venture from um the chronos blockchain and that was my first
foray into uh into nfts and uh you know it was it's a it's a small blockchain i'm learning as i come
into why did vote throw up a laughing emoji this is serious business why are you making fun of me um
so but you know it's funny because i'll be in a crow space and i'm not shaving crow i love crow that's
where i came from that's how i got into this um but to walk into a polygon space where there's like
400 500 uh you know listeners in a space it's it's just crazy but the thing that i really appreciate
at least about the projects that i've gotten in so far is you know you can be a big community
but still have you know that sense of community and still have you know that that close personal
engagement and so you know my my hat's off um to um you know the polygon i guess project owners and
and builders uh because i even hate using the word community because it's so overused um but you know
a lot of these projects have really done a good job of being big but not being out of touch if that if
that makes sense and um i think i think one reason that people do get into and become so active in
particular projects is because of the relationships that people build along the way um and so yeah i just
thought i would i just thought i would share that coming from um you know a smaller a smaller chain to
to a bigger chain and and uh yeah i've had a i've had a really positive experience and so i just wanted to
to say thank you all for making me feel welcome awesome great um so we actually have more people
donating in the group now we've got um so let's see we've got the ones i named before uh we've also
got jordan from polydose he wasn't able to make it due to the time today um he'll i think be there
next week from polydose and polygon but he's going to donate three uh pandas and then brozo who just
spoke is going to donate um five bro lists which are a white list for why don't you bro brozo why
don't you just say what yeah yeah for sure you're a speaker uh yeah so the bro list is our white list
uh for the mint coming up on march 28th so it is uh they're really really sought after right now you
know so i'm uh happy to donate some to this community here sweet yeah i know white list i i don't
know how hyped your project is or not i know someone in all roads lead to polygon said you
guys are super big so i actually don't know yeah it's super high cool oh super high yeah i was
going to say i'll fill that white list actually
remember no co-hosts uh are allowed to take that yeah so really cool so white list how does that work
exactly so that'll be like uh access to like getting into the uh the the mint of an nft yep
so i'll explain how it works uh how it works with us is it'll be whitelist for the mint right it's a
guaranteed mint allocation for you um we just need you to join the discord we'll assign you the role
and then you will go to magic eden uh on the on the drops page and you know click on brozo
and register your magic eden account and your wallet in your discord and if you have the
discord role you'll be eligible to mint very cool very cool we're giving away some uh some nfts and
some some uh whitelists for uh nft mints this is fun i'm getting pumped man even if we can give them
all away and uh people don't respond maybe we can take some of these and give them away on our next space
and um and to russell's point um i i've been in the you know the polygon uh community from the very
beginning and it's always been probably the most inviting place i i think it's the most inviting
ecosystem i've ever uh been in so it's great to hear russell that you know you had such a great
experience coming in and i think every space that i join is you know like this purple wave thing that
we got going on is it's just taking off and all the people coming from all the different ecosystems
they really realize that uh polygon is a place to be and and so really happy to hear that uh you also
have a you know great experience coming over yeah and and as probably the oldest dude in this space
you know one thing i got to give credit to polygon for and my 13 year old is she is so proud of me i
know the difference now between bro and bra so um all that thanks to polygon bro
cool all right guys all right we're gonna cut it guys this is a lot of fun um do we unless there
is there anyone else that we have to get up otherwise we'll we'll continue next week
no we've spoken to everyone it was great talking to everyone from the beginning to the end everyone
um thanks for being here and uh come to the next one yeah last minute shout outs i see leslie
mata uh from uh she hosts uh some of uh of david goxstein's spaces he was in earlier but i guess uh
i missed him but we'll have him hopefully next week would be really cool he hosts some of the most
legendary twitter spaces and leslie is a great host over there uh we've got let's see uh crypto spartan
super og uh matic one of the original uh helped build the actual original matic mitra ambassador
program um he's uh president of lunar digital assets and then we've got john sharp super og 2013-2014
doge uh guy uh and also a member of lda we've got oat milk uh one of the og community members in matic
we've got rainbow quick swap ambassador and og matic uh um uh the supporter and community member
um let's see um we've got dc ambassador penny bags is awesome um let's see who else do we have
last minute shout outs anyone you see aztec you want to shout out uh or crypto texan and by the way
thanks crypto texting for staying so long man awesome to have you here uh thank you you got
to speak more next time we'll get you up more because you're like great at these spaces man
you're a great host i just wanted to you know just come in show my support help out with co-hosting
a little bit but you know this is what we love to see you know is the community stepping up and and
doing this stuff and and doing these spaces and these these types of events so i'm just happy to be
included you know awesome awesome all right everyone thanks so much everyone and let's try
to break even bigger numbers get this out to more people next week thanks everyone so much for coming
and uh we'll shoot you over the nfts to the winner so congrats whoever ends up winning those
answer your dms if you want them uh if you don't uh someone else gets them but all right thanks everyone
cheers and what an amazing space and thanks aztec too for uh for co-hosting and helping organize
bringing up all the speakers and uh darian and uh uh luke and tristan and everyone from quickswap
and everyone from the different uh teams all that have been supporting and helping organize this uh
it actually like takes a lot of work in the background to actually make this this successful
so thanks to everyone involved uh and thanks to the community see you guys later everyone follow quickswap
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