I work in the morning and up at the crack of dawn all my money worries wherever I do
come along worries a bully that just won't let me be trying to keep me busy tussling
and struggling no home since the fire me and the ash can settle down I'm sure of where I'm bound so I sing another round
let's see both the pain and there's no one for to blame I refuse to accept that my work is all in vain
worries a bully that just won't let me be trying to keep me busy tussling and struggling
still always remembering when the going gets tough that the labor of our love will be worn out soon enough
man is never alone is he in all or else always thinking of everyone else before himself
worries a bully that just won't let me be trying to keep me busy tussling and struggling no home since the fire me and the ash can settle down
I'm sure of where I'm bound so I sing another round let's see both the pain and there's no one for to blame I refuse to accept that my work is all in vain
worries a bully that just won't let me be trying to keep me busy tussling and struggling still always remembering when the going gets tough that the labor of our love will be worn out soon enough
still always remembering when the going gets tough that the labor of our love will be worn out soon enough
hello hello everybody thanks for joining us today I'm Zandra the host for today and also the community lead at charmverse so trusted by optimism safe game 7 mantle charmverse is a web 3 community operations platform for members to build relationships work together and vote you can manage members coordinate tasks facilitate structured discussions and decisions and ultimately hold each other up for each other
and ultimately hold each other accountable so please check it out if you're looking for an operations hub for your web 3 community but don't do that until after the space today because I'm joined by Centropic region an artist storyteller a refi enthusiast and a member of web 3 communities such as alucious and let's grow down
hey Centropic how are you hello Sandra well I'm very happy to be here how are you doing I'm doing very well I'm happy to be chatting with you again we chatted you know a little while back when you were on the let's grow down space but I'm excited to just be focused on you and your projects today
yes well thank you very much for this platform and for this amazing opportunity to yeah talk a little bit more about alucious and yeah it was really fun last last space we have it was great I love hosting these and listeners a lot of the reason we host these spaces is to amplify projects that are just doing very cool things in web 3
it's always great if they use charm verse and know about charm verse but that's not the goal it's really to expand our own community make friends and like I said amplify other projects that deserve to be known in this space so that's what we're doing today
and I really appreciate you taking the time to be here again I know things are crazy everyone's to spread in different directions so as I mentioned you're a refi enthusiast and it's also the focus of some of the communities of which you're a part so let's start by kind of outlining what the refi movement is for our listeners that aren't familiar
okay well so refi I'm I'm pretty new in this refi movement refi movement but I'm very old in the regen movement regenerative the world regenerative comes from yeah like regeneration instead of extraction try to make stuff that don't don't just take out stuff from nature from
societies from economics but more to some right some efforts to make it more harmonious for all of us so refi would see it like if sorry for my English sometimes I'm very nervous. No please you sound great don't worry about that at all.
Yeah just quickly with that refi is regenerative finance right and it's all the financial efforts to support to empower regenerative practices right regenerative economies regenerative projects everything that is related to making this world a better place.
I think that's what refi is mostly focused on and yeah it's a movement that it's getting bigger and bigger and it's super exciting there's so amazing so like so many amazing projects going on in the space like everybody's putting their own
solution to the big problem right is like what are we doing with our planet we're going to disappear we continue the way we're doing stuff right so it's really it's a bread of fresh air to to to and to see a community like the refi community that is way much more driven into making impact than making profit
right and that's pretty much the essence of in my perspective of refi.
I think that's a great breakdown and I think you know when three is still a very small ecosystem at this point I think a lot of people immediately think of cryptocurrency and stuff like that.
And they might not necessarily know that there are all these impact communities out there, you know, and I think your breakdown of saying like refi it's very much about financial efforts to empower these regenerative efforts.
And, you know, we talk about slowing climate change and cleaning up the earth like you said we're not going to be here much longer we have one planet, and we need to do our work to keep it here as long as we can.
So, I'm really excited to talk about this and like I said we talked about let's grow down in in our last space and I definitely encourage listeners to also go check them out but let's jump into Ellucious, which is an impact community, and you're focused on protecting
tropical rainforests and building a regenerative regenerative future.
Okay, well, first, let's start a little bit on like a very synthesized background of what is happening in overall right and it's the current economic incentives are structured in a way to encourage local users to the forest and degrade their lands to reap a short
economic benefit. So, that's pretty much the essence of it. Unfortunately, we are, we've been having this mindset of extracting from nature, more than trying to make peace with it harmony with nature and try to just make a make it a win win.
So, this was like the main problem we're trying to solve here.
The, how, how do we want to like what's the solution right we're developing this land stewardship model, literally based on conservation and regeneration efforts with this model we want to prove that in this capitalist world where you can make quite
a good money out of stewarding local like stewarding, in this case, tropical rainforests in the right way, focused in conservation regeneration, and like, and trying to get as much as possible from nature right without being degenerative without
being very extractive, like, very heads up with the with the focus on conserving and regenerating. So, that's pretty much the goal here and what we're trying to achieve and yeah, that's, that's in a nutshell, I would say.
I like how you use the word, you know, harmonious because it's true, a lot of these rainforests I mean, you look and they're just being decimated, and they're just being left barren, and these rainforests are so, so important to the life of this planet.
Yeah, like I said, the efforts that you're making are so important for all of us. So, rainforests exist, if I'm correct, in Central and South America, in Western and Central Africa, Western India, Southeast Asia, you have New Guinea, Australia.
Where are you focused on a specific region currently.
This project, like main goal like the focus in, in a general view is Central America.
We believe that Central America is super important to, to, to make conservation efforts because it's a it's a place that it's growing very fast, right, it's like the communication bridge from South America and North America so there's a lot of development going on.
It's starting to be more and more common, the whole Latin America vibe right and there's people, there's a lot of people moving there there's like the population is growing right and then with that devastation comes next to it so it's really important.
We, of course, like the Amazon right like the Amazon is the mother of like the lungs of the world, but the Amazon is a big, a big place with a lot of problematics right and there's a lot of projects also like trying to make the Amazon a better place right
to focus on, on really stopping this devastation and the Amazon, but the Amazon takes so much of a role in this whole climate crisis scenario, and other places are like, Okay, what about Central America I mean Central America holds at least 10% of planets biodiversity,
and it's a hyper, hyper diversity hotspot in the Neotropical region so there's a lot of things going on also in Central America and it's crucial to also put ice in Central America for it to be, because, you know, like, Okay, let's say the Amazon, and we say the Amazon, and then
we take care of all the other tropical rainforests in the world, it's not going to be enough right so we are paying special attention to Central America.
And yeah, I mean, it's, it's important just to consider that there's other jungles on earth. And, and yeah, I will, I will be a little bit more in a few times.
I think that's a great point I think oftentimes you hear about the Amazonian rainforests and and don't necessarily realize all of the other ones that exist around the globe that we should be focused on so dividing the efforts up and bringing attention to these areas is
great. So you mentioned some biodiversity, what are some factors that lend themselves to these tropical rainforests being some of the most biodiverse areas of the world.
Okay, so one one very important factor is that the seas are very close right like the oceans are very close to each other. It's a very, very thin land bridge. So it makes it makes it super biodiverse also it has like mountains, and there is a lot of
altitude changes as well. So it makes it like, I think the last number I saw it was like 300 different ecosystems in Central America.
So, the fact that it's so different in altitude and also the fact that has this two connections well not the connection but the two big oceans, almost next to each other.
It brings a lot of biodiversity the Mesoamerican reef is one of the most biodiversity biodiverse reefs in the world, and it's next to Central America right so there's many things going on in the in these bio region that makes this place a very very hyper diverse hotspot.
Central America is around 3 million years old so it's not so, it's not so old right so it's, it's, it's crucial and critical to, to, to maintain it because there's many.
There's many species that are being discovered till today right we're very much focusing bees as well so we've been seeing that there's like new bees new species of bees appearing and appearing in this area so it's super interesting about that and just
just just to make sure that it's right. We're focusing in San in Central America, yes, but we are making a zoom in a little bit more in the Mayan rainforest from all the jungles in Central America the biggest land mass like untouched land mass tropical rainforest
tropical rainforest is in the Yucatan Peninsula, southern Mexico, Belize and Guatemala. This place is the Mayan rainforest and main refers this super, super interesting because not, not only because of the huge biodiversity, which I already told about and the geological reasons
of it, but also about the culture, the Mayan culture. Mayan people have been living in this region for thousands of years, so there's a lot of information that it's already with us humans that has been around for a long time, and, and we have, we still can have access
to that. And by what I mean with access is not for any economical reasons is more for the reason of saying like these guys have dealt with the jungle this, this guy knew the jungle they exactly knew how it, how it works it's super complex ecosystem is that most is the most alive ecosystem
in the world is that is the one that has most biomass right it's, there's numbers that say that it's 400 to 400 to 700 tons of biomass per square meter so it's like, sorry, per square actor, it's a lot of like, like biomass right and that's super important to suck carbon.
So, yeah, I mean I'm telling a lot of things in difference, but I just want to circle back and say like the main reforest is the place where we want to start this project.
This main rainforest has two main natural research that hold over 80% of all the biodiversity in Yucatán Peninsula, Belize and Guatemala, this.
These two research are called Siancan and Calakmul.
Siancan and Calakmul are still connected with a little bit of vegetation and some ecosystems, but it's disappearing really fast. It's really, it's really sad to see that there's a lot of devastation going on.
There's a lot of monocroping practices going on. So these two reserves are getting separate and isolated in a way like they're not connected anymore.
The problem with this is that the flora and fauna, like the animals and the plants that have like direct communication, let's say, within each other in the two different natural reserves are getting isolated and with that slowly they will start to disappear because everything is connected, right?
Like the whole thing of paying attention to the jower corridor is not because of the jowers, only the jowers. The jowers are the apex predator in the tropical rainforest and they represent that the jungle is healthy.
If there's a jower going on there, it means that the jungle is still healthy, right? Like the whole food chain is there still, right?
And then when you go to the sea, you see the karate turtle, like there are some turtles that are the indicators that they say like the reef is safe, the reef is still healthy.
So the fact of a jower going all the way from inland, deep jungle, making it all the way to the sea and eating a turtle, it means like thumbs up for nature, like it is happening, like we are still connected.
So this is our main like bioregional goal to keep connected these two main reserves in a sustainable way, right? Because there's a lot of people in the middle, right?
And we just can't negate people from this, right? Like, okay, this is going to be a reserve, everybody that is living here, get out of here, go to another place, go and destroy another place, let's keep this place safe.
This is not the point, right? We need to make it sustainable. We need to follow the three pillars of sustainability, which is environmental sustainability, social sustainability, and economical sustainability.
So within this model we're trying to test here, our goal is to unite and consolidate in a harmonious way, humans and nature, Kalakmul and Siankan, natural resource.
That's pretty much what I wanted to just stress a little bit on the region we're acting up.
I love all of that, and I feel like I'm learning so much. Listeners, if you're just joining us, we're speaking with Centropic Region of Alutius, and their mission is to protect our rainforests and tropical rainforests and more specifically in Central America, and then even more specifically the Mayan rainforest, which is in the Yucatan Peninsula.
And we were just talking about why these rainforests have so much biodiversity in them, which I didn't realize because the oceans are so close together in that area of the world, and the altitude giving kind of these different climate zones, right?
And it's just fascinating at how much flora and fauna exist there and how we need to keep harmony that exists to keep all of that flora and fauna because as we start to see those species die off, it's a direct indication that we are destroying our planet and disrupting these ecosystems.
So this mission is so important to me, and I think it's amazing that we do have so many impact communities working towards preserving these areas like rainforests.
Centropic, you had mentioned you're starting to see bees, like different, did you say different types of bees appearing?
Yeah, well, before this, I want to just say that I admire your capability of retention, Sandra, that's amazing. You made a really good, like, wrap up of everything we've been speaking. Yesterday I was on a space and I tried to wrap up when I was speaking with a friend for a long time, and I was like, man, I'm so confused, there's so much we've talked about.
And now you said it super well. I really admire you for that.
Thank you. I'll tell you my trick. I do take notes along the way just so I can remember because, you know, hearing people talk about these things, especially people with such passion, you know, they talk about it and they give us so much information.
And I just, even if it's just a note, like a couple of words that I want to remember, because it's so important. And like I said, the passion that comes through on these spaces resonates with me.
So I do, I want to help, you know, tell people what we're talking about and also make sure I'm understanding correctly. But the bees, the bees hit close because I know bees are so directly related to the health of our planet.
You know, there are pollinators, we need them. What do they say? If bees disappeared, the planet would die within like four years or something. We need bees. So that's amazing to hear that you're seeing new species appearing.
Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, the whole bee thing in this area. I also want to put another note on why this region is so biodiverse.
The Yucatan Peninsula has the biggest underwater, underground water cave system in the world. Like there's already like so far, it's known that we have around 3000 kilometers of underwater caves only in the Yucatan Peninsula.
So that's from Mexico City to Tijuana on a straight line. So it's a lot of distance and all that is interconnected. And you know, like this, I don't know if you've been to the south of Mexico, this is a very beautiful phenomenon, natural phenomenon called cenotes,
these water sinks, these water holes, that they're not just like a cylinder and they end on the bottom. No, no, no, they're all interconnected and they actually are connected with the sea.
So the sea pressure is making by pascal principle, which is like as you reduce pressure, the faster the fluid moves, right? As you reduce the area, sorry, the pressure increases and the fluid moves faster.
Oh, this is a huge, like super complex system going on below the ground. And this is a source of super high quality freshwater and the plants are all like taking advantage of this.
So this is something I wanted to add on why this area is so important and so biodiverse. And going back to bees, it's really interesting, the whole bee thing here is there's, okay, so in Central America is the home, like the origin
from the stingless bee, the famous stingless bee. Stingless bees in Maine culture were sacred, were actually on top of humans in the hierarchy, right? So bees are very serious here and Central America has the most amount of known subspecies of melliponini and stingless bees, right?
The stingless bees, there's many theories on why they are stingless, right? But the most approved, like the most approved theory is that they didn't have any predator, right?
And the flowers, because every flower has its pollinator and the jungle has a lot of flowers. Nobody knows, nobody sees them because sometimes they're really small.
So bees adapted to very specific flowers and this place is so abundant and so biodiverse that the bee species started to proliferate within them. So there's a lot of different bee species all around and it's super beautiful to see.
I mean, the humans with bees have been dealing for a long time. Apparently the first beekeepers in the world are the Egyptians, right? But the Mayan culture inherited from the Olmec culture, which is the mother culture of Mesoamerica, the bee-taking thing and the Mayan like made it super diverse, right?
Super important. What I mean with that is like over 95 or something close to that percent of Mayan medicine is based on stingless bee honey. Stingless bee honey is very particular. It's super highly in vitamins. There's a lot of actives and cool things going on within the stingless bee honey.
But also stingless bee honey is a very powerful antiseptic and antifungal. So if you have a wound, the best thing you can do is to put stingless bee honey and it will prevent from that wound to get infected. Imagine being in the jungle, right?
It's full of microbes. It's full of life, right? So if you have a wound in the jungle, good luck. And bee honey prevents all that from coming to the wound. So that is only one of the best array of things that stingless bee honey provides.
So yeah, Central America is the home from stingless bees. One fun fact, an interesting fact is that we wouldn't be able to taste vanilla if it wouldn't be from a stingless bee. The stingless bee Melipona bece is the successful collimator of vanilla vine.
So there's vanilla everywhere. I mean, not everywhere, but in the neotropics, there's a lot of vanilla plants, right? The only place that there's a bee that pollinates vanilla plants is in Mexico. It's Melipona bece.
That's why they say vanilla is for Mexico. Well, yes, but vanilla plant is in many other places, but the only place that, you know, like the only place that there's a pollinator that really makes the vanilla vine to grow and we can extract vanilla and put it in our world is because of this stingless bee.
So yeah, I mean, the jungle is full of this kind of facts. Actually, the jungle has over 25% of our mother medicines are based on like our come from that tropical rainforests, right? So it's crazy. I mean, there's so many things in the pharmacy of the world. It's the the market of the world is the food market of the world is there's many things going on. So yeah, just circling back to bees. This is pretty much what's happening with the bees. We're making a huge effort for that. And we can
speak on details later. That's amazing. I actually I didn't well, so much of that I had no idea about stingless bees and kind of the culture of the Mayan culture and how high bees are up on how they're valued. But I didn't know about stingless bees. That's incredible. I do know. Oh, go ahead. Something sorry, something that is super cool to see is that, of course, with the Ellucious Project and from a long time ago, because we have a lot of bees.
Long time ago, because I'm very connected to this area. And I really love this region of Mexico. I've been meeting many people, many local indigenous people that are super wise, right? And one of them, which is actually collaborating with us, and he's super excited. And he's part of the project. He's part of the team. He's a Mayan beekeeper. And once I visit him, and he showed me his bees, a long time ago, he showed me his bees. And he was like, yeah, like these are the Scaptotrigona, like many, you know,
super pro into that. And he knows exactly like the scientific names and stuff. And, you know, I knew that there's dog language, right? I know that there's cat language, right? I know that there's also a way to communicate with reptiles, right? Like there's this famous story about this guy that rescued a huge crocodile in the Amazon. And now this guy swims with a, I don't know, like a four meter crocodile and nothing's happening. Like you can see it in YouTube. It's
incredible. You know, like, there's there's many ways for humans to communicate with different families, right? I never thought that you could communicate with insects, right? Insects are so like, so aliens for us. It's like, how can you communicate with insects, right? And when I saw this, I was like super amazed. So this guy opened the beehive and just to show me a little bit of like, how, like the honey, how they put the honey stuff up. And all the bees started going out. They don't sting.
So it's super cool because it's just like ants, right? Like they're, they're walking all around you and they, you're just flying around you. And we started walking on the jungle and all the bees were following him, like, like pets. And we walked for a long time. And then we came back and all the bees went back to the hive, right? Like, how crazy is that? Whoa. Whoa. That must have been incredible to see in person. Wow. That's so cool. That's so cool.
So, I mean, you said you're attached to that area. Do you get to spend a lot of time personally in the rainforest?
Yes, it's my favorite. I always said, and I always will say it, that my heart belongs to the tropical rainforest. I love it. Since I was very little, I have the huge opportunity to travel with my parents in this region to know Guatemala really well, to know like the southern Mexico, like all the Mayan ruins, all these like beautiful landscapes.
I really, I really visit off. And now with this project, I will go at least once a month. Unfortunately, I don't live there, but I will. Right now I am not, still not able to do it, but I very soon I will be living in the rainforest. Next, I hope next phase would be where I'm living there. And I will just tune you in with some beautiful birds.
I would love that. Yes, let's do it. How about like scuba diving? You talk about all these underwater caves. Is that anything that you personally have explored?
Yeah, that's interesting that you're touching that thing. I don't do scuba diving yet. I'm not certified, like officially. There's an extra layer to do scuba diving in this area, which is cave diving, which is not the typical scuba diving thing, which is sea, right?
Big masses of water. Cave diving is tricky, and cave diving requires a lot of courage, because you suddenly you're stuck in a very narrow tunnel, super extremely dark. There's no source of light of anywhere. And you're like 80 meters below the ground, right? So it's not for everybody. I would love to do that in the future.
And there's a lot of things that have been, I mean, the oldest human in America has been found in a water cave in Tulum, right? I don't know the name already, but it's like this was a news from maybe two or three, five years ago, let's say that way. But yeah, there's a lot of hidden treasures going on there.
I have a friend who's a professional scuba diver there, and he told me that one of the things he found is that there's like this, I don't know how to say it in English, it's like this tiger, this prehistoric tiger that had like their tooth, the tooth teeth on the front, like very, very long tooth teeth. It's like literally there, like you can see the bones in one of the walls of this wild year scuba diving.
Like a saber tooth tiger. Exactly. Oh man. Okay. I gave a thumbs down because that is terrifying to me. I'm definitely not a cave diver. That's for sure. Especially underwater. Like, oh my goodness. I can't even imagine. I mean, I have so much respect for the ocean and I understand how absolutely cool all of that is. But no, I will not be scuba diving down into the depths of the ocean in a cave.
Just to add to your fear, remember that the whole, you could jump into like type of soil, not soil, but rock, like the type of soil, let's say that way. It's a rock, it's limestone. Limestone is extremely fragile, right? It is not like a hard stone. So it's like, you can be in one of those tunnels, and suddenly like a huge piece of rock blocks the tunnel.
And you're there. And I'm like, that's so crazy. I mean, ooh.
Nope, nope, nope. I will watch from the shore.
You were talking about indigenous people and how they obviously understand the value of the rainforests and know the, and I'll say it in quote, like the secrets of the rainforest, right? All the medicines and how to navigate things.
And then you have the tourism, right? People that just want to experience it. And I'm curious, I mean, of course there's going to be certain tourism that's destroying these rainforests, but do you believe that some of this tourism is also bringing more awareness maybe to the value of the rainforests and how much we need them in our lives?
Yes, this is one, it's super cool that you're touching tourism and most of it, education. This is one of our pillars, right?
We really want to make an effort in making like the external people from other places in the world to be informed. And we call it in a way, edu-tourism, educational tourism.
Here there in the space, there's Will. Will is a very professional educator in Web 3. Thumbs up to Will, big shout out to him. Huge support and I really like him. He's part of the Let's Roll Now, actually, and he will agree with me.
Education is a pillar for change. If you don't have education, there's nothing else you can do. I mean, you can save tropical rainforests, you can rewild everything.
But if the people have still the same mindset and they're not aware of which are the right actions, the right approaches to take in order to travel into natural areas, everything will keep the same.
Unfortunately, we live in a capitalist world where money rules, right? And money wins, unfortunately. And the sad thing is that what's in the middle is nature, right? Because it's the biggest asset we have.
And we're destroying it because we're devastating it because we want profit and the most profit we get, the better we will be. But we don't know that entirely because I'm pretty sure it's going to be the other way around.
So this is a little bit of the mission here. We really want to put a big effort into education. And this is also why Lucius is very much stressing this point of educational ecotourism.
I think that's amazing. And that wasn't one of our questions, but that came up while we were chatting. I was just thinking, you know, obviously, there's so much tourism that destroys these things and is killing rainforests to build resorts and all that kind of stuff.
But having the edutourism, like you said, or ecotourism, you know, you see those kind of places, ecotourism, to be able to live among the jungle without disturbing it as much as possible. I think that's really important too.
So what are some of the immediate actions that people can take to help in the preservation of these tropical rainforests, whether it's they live in that area or whether it's from afar? What can they be doing?
So, okay, the immediate actions we're taking are based right now, we are like reorganizing the whole structure of the project. And it's, in essence, is always the same because the mission is always the same.
But now we made it more clear. Now we're happy with how this looks. And it's four sectors.
These four sectors will cover eight immediate actions. So the actions we're taking are conservation, soil regeneration, pollination, rewild, cleaning, research, education, and artistic and cultural expression and empowerment.
So all these actions are like we decided like these actions have to be like the pillars of our actions, right? Because they have to cover two things, environmental and social positive impact and bringing economical value to the system.
That's how we will succeed in proving the model of saying, okay, conservation and regeneration with profit. So if this works, then we have a chance for local communities to adopt this land stewardship model and to actually make bioregional impact.
This is the whole point, right? You're talking about education. It's not about only education from people that come from as tourists, right? It's local education.
Unfortunately, and I said it before, the economic incentives are wrong, right? It's a short term reap. It's like, okay, I sell my land to this company and this company will just devastate everything and they will do monocroc.
And I will win a lot of money and it's okay. I mean, there's a lot of jungle, right? Like this is always a very common, like there's a lot of jungle. There's a lot of forest. Why would I care, right? The problem is that everybody's thinking about that.
And then suddenly there's no rainforest anymore, no jungle, no forest, no nothing. So we really want to make also a big effort. I think the biggest effort of education here is within local communities.
We want to make sure that because they know, right? They understand it. The problem is that the economical incentives are not in their favor.
Unfortunately, the big companies, they don't care, right? So they don't have other option. That's pretty sad because it's like, okay, so I conserve my land and I keep it the way it is untouched, beautiful.
And I went zero, whatever. Or I just devastate everything, sell it to a bigger player and I make a lot of money and sustain my family.
And if you're in a vulnerable situation, I mean, you don't even blink twice and you took already a decision, right? So we really want to offer this other option.
So within these actions, I mentioned you, these 18-minute actions, all of them have a business unit, right? All of them make money and also all of them make positive impact.
This is the most important part because if it would be money for money, then we just put a like devastate like 1% of the area, make a huge Amazon drop shipping plant, right?
And just make a lot of money with that and just, right? But it's not the point. The point here is to make it integral, to make it holistic, to make it each action attacks because it's a multifactorial problem, right?
So we need a multifactorial solution as well. So it's not only soil regeneration, it's pollination as well. It's rewilding and we have to clean and we have to educate the people in order to conserve, right?
And then make research in order to educate. So everything is interconnected. So these 18-minute actions are like a holistic way to approach this multifactorial problem.
I guess, I mean, of course you need to educate the local communities. It's just, I always think about the people that are removed from these areas, but it totally makes sense that, of course, those people around there can benefit financially from, you know, destroying this land as well.
I just, I think of my father who is kind of an old, old conservative and never really cared or thought about climate change. And now as he's gotten older and YouTube is so easy to access, he reached out and said, do you know what's happening to our rainforests?
I'm just watching these videos on them being burned and devastated and, you know, and he's like, it's so depressing and sad. And I just thought, this has been a conversation that's been going on for so long.
And unfortunately, it's taken you 80 years to realize that this is a serious issue that should be addressed. But I guess on the other side, I'm just glad that he is, at that point in his life, realizing the importance of the biodiversity.
Exactly. Exactly. And this is the beauty of this interconnected age we live in, right? There's so much access to information now. And finally, I mean, you were saying like, oh, it's a pity that for 80 years, this person hasn't been aware of this problem.
The good thing is that finally he's aware. So it means that there's something good going on here. At least we're communicating the problem. At least now people are more and more and more, you know, sometimes it's really funny because people really don't understand like how to entirely recycle, right?
But they feel good because they're recycling, right? And it's like, okay, you're not doing it right, but at least you're excited that you're recycling, right? So, I mean, collective awareness takes time. Collective action takes double time, right?
So we really need, this is a slow process. And with this information era, we will be able to make it more fast. Like this process will be able to move faster and faster. This is the whole point. Like, I mean, this is what we really need to do to make this process in each and every individual move faster in order to say like, okay, I have a region mindset.
I am grim peeled. I already know what's the problem here. And I will act accordingly because once you know the problem, you're responsible. You can't say like, okay, yeah, this world is ending and we're, but I mean, what are you doing them? Come on, like, imagine if you're not doing the entire what you should do, imagine a person that doesn't even know where's the problem.
So, oof, it takes time. But yeah, I'm positive. I'm optimistic. I'm always, I will always be in there. Make impact or die trying.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what we have to do with this rate. And it's funny, you mentioned the recycling thing, you know, where I live, recycling can be confusing, you know, depending on the number of the plastic, it goes here, it goes there, you know, and, and is it all getting recycled? That's a big question for people.
Are they actually even recycling this? Or is this all just getting thrown in the same dumpster and taken to the same place? But I think at least people are thinking about it, right? And thinking about not buying those single use plastics or trying to conserve in more ways now, because we know it's affecting us.
We're seeing climate change, you know, it's, it's happening, it's in front of us, and it's really hard to dispute at this point.
So, listeners, if you have any questions for Centropic Regen, please raise your hand. I'd love to bring you up. We do need to wrap it up. This hour is flying by.
But so tell me, where are you in the roadmap of Ellucious, of this Ellucious project? And I guess where are you looking to go? How long have you been around?
Okay, well, Ellucious project has been around as, as a project, maybe since two years ago. It came. I'm the founder, I designed the project, I made literally everything, the art, the strategy, the idea, the connections, everything.
And I partnered with a friend that is in the, in the region, and he's been, like, connecting all these, like, making, making possible to talk with local, local leaders, right? And, and to be able to, to start this conversation of really validating from the community that this is a project that is viable, right?
And we've been working on that. It has been a challenge. It has been a really cool experience, a beautiful journey, because in the end, love wins. In the end, good intentions win, right? Because, because then why, then why making it? And it's really cool that in, in the deep of every human, there's a good heart as well.
So it's really cool that we have been experiencing within this two years, like this positivity from local communities from the team. And yeah, this is two years from Ellucious, but the efforts has been making from a long time, like one part of the team.
Gabo, he's a local Mayan beekeeper. He's been rescuing bees for, I don't know, like 20 years. He's super into that. And, and there's many other people that are doing actually conservation and, and social programs. And there's a lot of things going on around.
And Ellucious comes in the moment where wants to like wrap up all these efforts and solid solidificating it in one single thing. So it's able to be modular, scalable in order to make impact as fast as possible, because we don't have all the time in the world.
So which are the, which are the phase, which phase on the roadmap we are? The project is divided in three phases. Of course, we're in phase one, right? The phase one is called the foundation. So now we're working in a hectare of land to test the model and optimize it.
We're going to test the 18 minute actions. We're going to try to make a map to really understand how these immediate actions are taking how much time they take, how much revenue are we making, how much impact are we making, right?
Like all these things are happening right now in this sector of land. We're already starting to design because this takes a long process. These four agroforestry systems.
We have a conserved area in this, in this hectare of land. We already starting to research on how we will make this very zero print hub for very few people just to have a platform for education, right? For people local, because right now we're not thinking on tourism or nothing.
It's just for local people to really see how an agroforestry system works, how these are kept, how conservation efforts are done, like just to map and track all these individual immediate actions.
And then we're going to move to phase two and phase two is the sieve. So we want to scale 10x. We want to do, or sorry, 100x because the reality is that local landowners in this region of Mexico, sorry, not local landowners.
These natural areas are owned, are community owned. So there's no private property. It's a community owned property. So we want to keep that. We don't want to extract from the community land. We actually want to partner with local landowners.
So we can implement this model, this land stewardship model in order to scale it faster, right? Because if it's like, okay, so we will buy your land and we will do this, that's not scalable, right? Because we don't want to buy all the, we can't buy all South Mexico, right?
That is not the point. It's more about making alliances. It's including them in the process more than just rip them out of the formula and just go like with our ego on top, right? It's not about ego. It's about collective coordination. We need to really make an effort together.
So these landowners have around 100 hectares per landowner, depending on the ajido. Ajido are like these communities that cover areas. So let's say like the ajido is 887,000 square kilometers and, sorry, yeah, it's four kilometers and there's only 150 people in the ajido.
So each of them has the right access of this amount of hectares. So what we want to do in the foundation phase one where we're right now is to test the model and then we will launch the seed and the seed will be, we already have a landowner that is willing to put these 100 hectares for the project to be tested in a bioregional scale, right?
And saying like, okay, now we have a chance to really make impact in 100 hectares and we will launch an NFT collection to make this effort happen, right? We will fund it somehow with the collective. We will see options for the digital community to get involved into this effort and then once we test and succeed, let's say, if everything goes right with the phase two, then we will go to phase three that is called the merge.
So once that this test that phase two is already achieved in this specific land, 100 hectares of a landowner, then we will approach to other neighbors and we will say like, okay, we made all this impact in this land. We want to join and we can implement the same with you.
So starting to create like a league of landowners that are making this conservation regeneration efforts. With that, we will start growing in a bioregional scale the efforts, right? And the beauty of this is that we're approaching the idea as a nonprofit.
So the most amount of income that somebody will receive from it is the local landowner. And this is the most important, the key piece of the project because if we don't give credit to the original owner of the land and make that person feel the benefit of conserving and regenerating their land, there's no point of this.
Like, we can get rich with a couple of hectares, but we want to make bioregional impact if we keep without.
Yeah, I think that's a really smart plan. Oh, sorry. Oh, no, no, no.
And yes, just to end up, the phase three is bioregional economy based on conservation and regeneration practices and collective coordination tools. This is where web three will enter right now.
And now we are very much into direct impact on land before going too much into high tech and.
Oh, you just cut out. Are you back? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, it's this insisting a person but it's okay. I'm fine.
Once we have like this, like these areas, making impact altogether. Now is the time to start coordinating with it within and there's a lot of alpha but I will share it right now.
But very soon it's going to be clear and it's going to it's a beautiful project and I'm very happy to to to continue with this journey. Well, it sounds like a beautiful project and I'm so glad that we I've learned a ton today, and I hope listeners that you have too.
I love this project. I think it's amazing. And I'm super excited and wish you all the luck with with the phase one, which is the foundation, like you said, and you answered my question because I was gonna say, Okay, so where does web three play into it?
But obviously you need to get there, right? You can't just jump into that you have a plan, you're working towards it. And I love it. So tell people tell our listeners, how can they get involved?
So right now, the way to get involved so far is the last time we the only time, which is super cool. It was our first good claim grant, GG 19.
We received the funding, and we're super happy that it's it's it's becoming a reality, right?
Very soon, I will post on what's the impact, but I will share the alpha. Now, we we decided that all the money we we earn from get coin grant, which was around 1000 thousand $300 or so.
We invested it into multiplication of our rescued honey rescue rescued stimulus bees. So now we we produced we designed and we made 16 so far be heights, and we're multiplicating the colonies.
So this is because I okay, we have the money in the table, and we're like, Okay, how can we make the most impact with this? Okay, and and and the scalable as possible, right?
Multiplicating be colonies. These are never enough, right? It's like, you need more and more and more. So this, this now with this GG 19 thing, we, we multiply the colonies and what we're looking for the GG 20, it will keep with the same storyline with the same bees, right?
And we will pay all the tests and all the research of those bees, we will test their honey, we will see which flowers are they pollinating, we'll get a lot of information from that. And that's part of the of the community that has been that has been funded this effort.
So I'm really positive, really excited. I'm really grateful for the people that have been like donated in the last gig con grant. And yeah, looking forward to GG 20. And another way to get involved is in the phase two when the NFT collection is is launched.
I'm very excited for that. It's going to be a super cool launch super cool NFT. I designed them. It's, yeah, it's gonna be really cool. And all the story behind it. It's, it's like a cool video that I animated myself.
I animated myself with my hands and it's gonna be really cool. I'm very, very looking much forward to that. And yeah, this is the way you can get involved so far, but later, more, and more and more.
Amazing. I can't wait to follow along and see where this goes. And like I said, I wish you the best of luck. It's an amazing project. I stand behind what you are doing. And thank you so much for joining us and educating us on all things about the rainforest and how you are making an impact on this work.
In fact, on this world. Listeners, be sure to tap Centropic regions. PFP, give a follow. Alucious projects is also on here, click that PFP. If you don't see it, it's at Alucious projects. It's a L U X E projects with an S. You can also go to alucious.club to find the website.
But Centropic, thank you so much for taking the time to hang out with me today and and educate me. Also, I've never been to a rainforest and now I am determined to go in eco friendly way and experience it.
Yes, I'm right. You have to go with tropical rainforest change life. If you approach it with the right mindset, it really changed the life because then you you see that nature is abundant by design.
Like it's beautiful to experience that. And just a big shout out to my friends from Let's Go Dow, Wasabi, Will, Jerry. Thank you for showing support also.
Thank you everybody for joining and I hope this was not so boring because I felt I spoke a lot. But yeah, when I get passionate, it's very difficult to stop.
Not boring at all. Not boring at all. I found it fascinating. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Thank you listeners for showing up. And we'll see you next time. Centropic will be in touch. But thanks again and good luck with everything.
Thank you Sandra. Thank you very much for this space and have a good time. Thank you guys. You too. Bye everyone. We'll see you next time.