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AMA with CEO: 2023 Review and What's to Come
Recorded: Dec. 4, 2023 Duration: 0:44:30Space Recording
Full Transcription
I'm hoping you're doing well.
Hello.
Hello.
Great.
Okay.
We can hear you just fine.
Let's give it one or two minutes until a few more people join.
And then I think we can start.
In the meantime, everyone, if you have any questions, we're going to be opening up the mic as well.
First, we're just going to address, let's say, the most frequent questions that we get asked.
So we'll do that in the beginning of the spaces.
And after that, then we're going to go with more questions or bringing people up if you just raise your hand.
So that's overall the structure that we're going to go with.
And in the meantime, if you have any questions that you want to type into this post instead of, you know, coming in and asking, that still works with us.
We'll try to keep it around 30 minutes to 45 minutes, the call.
But totally, this is recorded.
So you can go back and always listen back in case you missed anything.
So we'll just wait one or two more minutes and then we're going to start.
Vigandas, if you want to address the chat or say anything as we wait a little bit, feel free.
Hi, everyone.
In general, all good.
Let's wait.
Let's wait until a little bit more people and afterwards we can start.
So all good.
Okay.
Sounds great.
In the meantime, I'm hoping everyone is enjoying what we're seeing from Bitcoin.
That's always nice to see.
Lots of positivity.
So also helps.
Here for the next.
Thank you both.
Thank you, thanks.
Come through on your screen.
Let's see.
Okay.
Now.
Let's see.
I think we have a good amount of people to start.
So to start off the spaces, the first question, or let's say the first topic that we'd like
to see is, can you give us a 2023 interview?
So what are some of the highlights for Lossless for this year before we start with like the
questions, where we're going and all of the rest?
Yeah, sure, sure, Clancy.
So first of all, yeah, thank you very much for coming to the spaces and listening to us.
So regarding first question, not the question, but maybe the review for 2023.
So I could say that it was in general, very good year regarding product development, sales
and marketing itself.
So, and our latest event, not event, but latest stop for the hack for Vulcan Forged is kind
of a reward for the hardworking all year.
And this is, this shows exactly how we are going, you know, that we are, we are fully working,
that our system is working.
And it was more, more related to Lossless protocol, but still it was saved more than 800k of, of tokens,
which is in any way, it is a big number.
Definitely, you know, it's not like 100 million, but, but still it's a big achievement for such
a small team.
So, um, also, uh, in order to, to, to, to, to, um, to review the CRG, definitely I want
to, to, to say big thank you for, big thank for the team, because in general, a few people
left us, few joined us and, and, and, but the core team is here, is, uh, here and everyone
is working very hard.
And, and, and that's incredible to see that every, everyone, you know, is working hard
and, and we are going to the right direction.
Um, and in order to conclude, conclude the, this, this year, uh, I think the biggest, the
biggest achievement still is Aegis, that we are finally, you know, uh, live and, uh, you
know, all the B2B side is working and we are getting more and more sales.
And also just to, to, you know, it's, it's incredible to see that also we are start, started
to cover on the retail, the retail side as well.
So in general, in general, that's very nice to see that, uh, that, um, Aegis is not only
for B2B side, but also for B2C.
Um, and a lot of stuff is coming up, uh, next.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Following up on, uh, let's say the natural progression from the review is to see what are
our goals for 2024.
So we have, uh, given, uh, goals update, uh, just recently, you can see that on our blog
as well.
Um, so what, what can you share with us for what's coming up in 2024?
Maybe some teasers, some things that, uh, we might not be aware of, uh, anything of that
when it comes to product and those kinds of things, because for the, for the other stuff,
we're going to go on the questions later.
Uh, sure, sure.
So, um, still, you know, the biggest, the biggest focus remain, remain product and technology.
And, you know, also we can see, uh, always, always, we can see that, um, that, uh, strong
fundamentals in the product and technology can bring the biggest, the biggest value and
the biggest gains.
So we strongly believe that, uh, strongly, strong product can be the face of the success
for lossless.
Uh, so in general, the biggest, uh, still, you know, the biggest goal is develop Aegis
and to onboard more clients, especially the bigger ones.
Like our goal is to onboard at least one, like L1, uh, to have like the whole ecosystem covered
by losses, which would be an amazing job.
Uh, uh, and, and, and to work closely with the, the bigger, the bigger ecosystems, because
we believe that when we, when we, uh, when we are working with ecosystem, it means that
we are working with different projects and different cases and so on, which is extremely
valuable.
Uh, also, you know, we want to, we want to, to, um, to stand into more chains, which is
very doable.
And, and, and, and, and we want to, to, you know, to, um, reach more, uh, more retailers
as well.
And, and, and more chains means that more details can be, can be reached out.
Uh, also, uh, huge, a huge, uh, goal is for, is for token utility and, uh, some more token
utility features will be introduced, uh, not like they'll be introduced, but I think it's,
it is being introduced, uh, slowly with, uh, with, uh, the whole hodler package for the
Aegis and, uh, a few more, a few more, um, utilities will be, will be introduced as well.
But, but in general, everything related to Aegis will, will be, uh, will be related to, uh,
to, to, to, to, to, to bigger, to bigger expansion of a token utility, uh, as well.
And also, uh, we are always working hardly towards exchanges and so on, but, uh, but it's
not, uh, it's not so easy to get listed, um, on the exchanges.
Uh, but also we see that, uh, as far as we already on KuCoin, which is one of the biggest
exchange for all altcoins, that's very good result.
And, and, and we're doing the best we can in order to, to, to access new markets, new
exchanges.
Okay.
That was like maybe one of the most asked questions, uh, when it comes to, um, you know,
when it comes to getting listed.
So, um, let's say we don't have a specific timeline for that.
And that's, uh, you, for obvious reasons, we don't want to have any kind of like, you
know, run up, kind of a pump and dump thing.
So we, we have always said that if we're close to getting listed to somewhere, we'll
make like a, an official announcement.
Uh, do you, uh, what do you think it's, uh, the closest that we can be, like if, if you'd
be able to give a number?
Uh, sorry, can you repeat the question?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When, when do you think, uh, that could happen or what, what do people need to see for that
to happen to possibly, uh, add another exchange?
So in general, the main, the main aspect here is, uh, again, product, uh, users and, and,
and number, numbers, uh, for trading, for trading activity.
And this is kind of the most important stuff for the exchanges.
And we, uh, you know, we end the, we end the conversation with a few of the exchanges all
the time, but you know, it has to be achieved some, some results in order, you know, to
be, to be listed.
So, you know, it's very hard to predict something here.
Uh, but you know, we are working on that and we're trying to do our, our best and yeah,
let's hope, let's hope that better product and better market conditions, uh, can bring
some good, good, good, good results.
Okay.
Do you have a favorite exchange that you'd like to, if you had to pick one?
Uh, favorite, uh, I know maybe still Binance is the biggest one, but maybe the favorite one
is OKEx.
Okay.
The favorite one is the OKEx.
Okay.
Good to know.
Uh, jumping into the other questions.
Um, so we did mention the lossless, uh, utilities are coming up.
That was another, uh, question that did show up a few times and we did mention.
So we recently have added, uh, quite a few utilities when it comes to, uh, lossless boost
and also, uh, option for lossless pools as well, which, which are the telegram channels
that basically you can set up using, uh, lossless, uh, by contacting our team.
So, uh, more, uh, similar features to those meaning, uh, more integration towards ages and
more payment options for the different features that we offer through ages.
Uh, those are likely to come up, but we will make on the announcement on all the different
product releases.
So, uh, stay tuned for those.
So overall, I think, uh, the most, uh, questions are, uh, the most frequent questions are answered,
uh, in the sense of what we're doing for listings, what we're doing for more utility in
the space. Um, I wanted to go through, uh, some of the questions that we have gotten so
far, uh, into the comments. Uh, one of them, uh, is I'm going to take this over. Um, can we
know more about the partnership with Arthera? So just recently we did announce that we are
going to be, uh, expanding ages into Arthera. So expect this on early 2024, meaning sometime,
uh, in January, we're going to be, uh, offering ages for all the, uh, Arthera projects. So we
haven't expanded just yet. So we're working on expanding into the chain. So yeah, uh, expect
there. So it's, uh, the partnership is we are going to be on Arthera. That's, that's the
partnership. Um, the next question is about influencers. So vegan dust, this will go on
your side. Um, the question is, uh, is it a conscious decision that the company took to
not adversize the token to influencers or, or let's say what's, why don't we see so many
influencers shilling lossless?
Uh, yeah, maybe a good and also weird question, uh, because shilling, it's not the best marketing,
uh, in my opinion, it is very good for the short term period and so on, but, but, you know,
in order to be shilling, uh, about something and, you know, you know, in order to do marketing
around something, you need to have something already built, uh, the, you know, in order
to market, uh, to do marketing around that. So for that reasons, you know, we are very focused
on the development and technology product. And when it is, um, when it is, um, you know,
prepared, when we have, uh, product ready, we will already have product ready, but I mean,
when we have more features, everything, we can see that we can see when it is the best time
to do more, a little bit stronger marketing campaigns and so on. So, uh, I, I, I, in general,
uh, disagree, uh, disagree with this statement that we are not working with some like influencers,
KOLs and so on, because, um, after, after, uh, we'll conform to heck, as you can see, uh,
a lot of, a lot of, uh, influencers, KOLs, uh, reposted, tweeted about us and, and so on,
who are the supporters for the long time. Uh, but, you know, uh, you know, we don't have
like such a shilling, shilling, uh, community, not like a community, but shilling, a shilling
network. Yeah. Shilling network, maybe how to say, you know, so in general, you know,
uh, definitely we are, we are always working on the best marketing campaigns and, and, you
know, I believe that you cannot perform, you know, 12 months, 12 months a year, uh, doing
very good marketing or, or, you know, shilling and so on, because, you know, in 12 months, you
know, half a year is bad year, maybe, and everything is in, uh, you know, downtrend and
so on. And these days it's very hard to do marketing. And usually it's, you know, spending
money for, for nothing because most of the stuff doesn't work, but you know, when it is
good, good market, it's very easy. It's way more easier to evaluate the return on the, on
investments for the marketing campaigns and so on. So, uh, yeah, for that reason, I believe
that, uh, you know, more active marketing can, can, can be really, really near and, uh, yeah,
we can, let's see, let's see, uh, what the market can bring for us.
Can we assume that, let's say the market conditions stay as they are at now, which is positive? Can
we expect more marketing in that direction?
Well, I would say, sorry. Uh, yeah. In general, you know, we are, we are always want to, to,
to, to achieve the best regarding marketing and so on. So, you know, we need to, I could
say, you know, uh, in my opinion, everything is like, not like case by case, but you know,
we need to evaluate everything, you know, how the market looks, how the product looks,
how everything looks, you know, because you cannot do, it's very hard to do marketing when
it is no big news, but when you have a bigger news, it's way easier to do that. So, you
know, everything has to be matched, mixed and matched. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Moving to another,
this is, this is, this is not really a question. This is more, I'd say a suggestion. Since we're
using AI, why don't we have the domain lossless.ai? Okay. It's an interesting question, but in
general, we are very good with lossless.io and AI is not necessarily for us. So it's up for sale. We
can, we can get that. Okay. Okay. Maybe we can get that. Um, okay. So these were all the written
questions that I can see. I don't see any more questions that, uh, people have written. So
if anyone has any questions, we can take a few, just write, raise your hand or, um, yeah, just raise
your hand. We actually got one more. Um, are you guys comfortable on how much revenue is being
generated by different products? I think we can't really share the, the amount, but, uh, how well,
what would you say that the costs of running AIGIS and lossless are covered by the revenue that we
generate? So, uh, regarding revenue, no, I would say all the time is too little revenue for every
business. So I could, I could match this phrase as well. Uh, but in general, you know, we are doing,
uh, we are trying, we're doing a lot of sales and we are trying to, to scale it up and to, to get more
customers. So, you know, all the time the revenue is, is, uh, you know, revenue is, uh, very helpful
and, you know, increased revenue is very helpful and we're doing everything we can in order to do,
to do that. But, uh, as it is right now, we, uh, we are all also good with the revenue from different,
uh, activities under losses. Um, would you also be able to give us an update on the runway,
uh, the last time, uh, it, uh, it was around two years. Are we around at the same levels or, uh,
have we expanded that through the different partnerships and also the increase your revenue?
Yeah. So regarding this, everything is, uh, as it was planned before. So, you know, we are on the,
on the same road route, uh, as it was last time. So, yeah.
Okay. So it's still around two years of, uh, at least two years of, uh, runway, let's say,
if nothing changes from here. Okay. Yeah. That's great to hear. Um, I think that was the
last written question. I didn't get anything else. Any rate, any rate, hands, guys, show of hands.
Who wants to ask a question?
We have a question. How is the lossless team making money? So we have, let's say two, two ways to make
money. Um, one is token recovery, where as the protocol is designed, we get, uh, set percent.
And the other one is Aegis is a paid product for big protocols for retail users. So for anyone else
that just wants to sign up and use, uh, the protocol, yeah, it's, it's free. And, uh,
big and us can also expand on this on how we want to focus on making it even more useful for retail users
and expanding our, uh, user base in that sense. Uh, yes. We'll just, uh, want to add here to the
answer that there's like two trenches for revenue. One is, uh, the lossless protocol. And the number one
is the Aegis and the Aegis trench in general can be divided also into B2B side and B2C side, which is
and, and here B2B is, uh, kind of, uh, well covered and we are trying to scale in here. And regarding B2C,
it looks like, it looks like we need, and not like, it looks like what we need, uh, some more user
adoption and some more additional features, but in general it will be, it will be another revenue stream
as well via B2C side. Right now it's like the HOD or HODL package, which helps the, the, the,
for the token, uh, itself because it has, people has to hold some LSF tokens in order to access
the HODL package. But in the future, it can be also some like extra features and so on.
Yeah. Um, also going back to, uh, all of the different questions, just making sure,
uh, I think we have answered most of them, uh, the, when it comes to what happened, we,
the ST tag from KuCoin. Uh, I think we have mentioned that it was, uh, a liquidity, uh,
mostly issue, which, uh, we, it was an, uh, an easy fix on our side. It did just, uh, poor timing
on, uh, the channel that they used to, uh, to basically communicate. So they, they assigned
the ST tag without us knowing, sadly. Okay. Uh, can you confirm that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. In general,
it's, it's, it's, it's, um, it's hard to tell, not too hard to tell, but in general, during beer
market, you know, usually everyone has very low liquidity, volumes are low and so on. So for that
reason, you know, exchanges are doing their, their, like, uh, annually, uh, you know, annually
reviews, monthly reviews, sort of quarterly reviews regarding products, uh, pro projects. And after
that, you know, they just decided that they need to, to, that our project has low liquidity. So for
other reason, it was a tag, like ST tag, but you know, everything is solved and we are very, you
know, and we are again, good, uh, on KuCoin. Okay. Okay. Um, that's great. Um, there's a few people
that just came in, so I'll just give a very brief, uh, let's say a summary, and then I think we can take
a few more questions and I think we're good. So just to, to review some of the questions that,
uh, we did answer, um, when it comes to 2023, uh, we have made great strides with ages V2 being
launched. Uh, we have expanded our client base and partners. We have more than 50 partners and clients
at this point. Like we get one partner of client every other week, uh, which is great, uh, seeing as
we were just coming out of a, of a bear market where, you know, things were very slow. So we're
doing very well in that regard, uh, for 2024, we're looking to hopefully onboarding, uh, L1 very soon.
So we're working on that. Uh, we're working to expanding into more chains and focusing more on
retail users. Um, Aegis is still going to be the main focus when it comes to what we are going to
working on the product side. More token utility is on the way. Uh, we have added already two,
uh, two, two and a half. If you want to get it that way, uh, utilities to the holder package.
And the holder package is the totality of the things that you can do with lossless. So you can
use that to subscribe to a lossless boost and get basically, uh, the pro features for lifetime.
Basically you don't have to keep paying. You, you can all, it's very low commitment. It's like a
soft block. So you can just connect your wallet, have at least 200, a lossless, and then you're
good to go. Uh, you can start using the pro features. Uh, the more you have up to five years,
the more, uh, limits you're going to, the less limits you're going to have in using, uh, Aegis as well.
So, um, I'd say, give it a go. If you already have an account, if you don't go up and down,
check it out. Um, when it comes to exchanges, uh, the, the better the market looks, the,
the better the chances are of us, um, being able to, to get listed somewhere right now, uh,
we can't mention, uh, any exchange, but, uh, we, we are in contact with, uh, with different exchanges. And,
uh, we're basically always communicating and making sure to be, to be in touch. So if the,
uh, moment arises or if we see a good opportunity, uh, we, we always consider listing. It's not
something that we have said, we don't want to list anywhere. Uh, just to make, to make that clear,
eventually it will happen. We just need to have, uh, good, uh, good conditions and also a few guarantees
on our side, uh, before we make that happen, because we don't want the holders of the token
to also get hurt because that can happen if, if we don't take the correct measures. Uh, when it comes
to marketing, uh, more marketing will happen. Uh, we, we, we're not against more, more marketing to
happen, but, uh, we, we are very picky when it comes to influencers that we pick. We, we just don't
do campaigns with anyone that's willing to shill a token. Otherwise, what's the point? Uh, so,
what we're going to focus on, uh, very high quality, uh, influencers if, if we decide to go that route,
but we always make sure that the product is very good and there is value to advertise. Uh,
we don't want to advertise, uh, or to do any false advertising, uh, without having the value there.
We have, uh, more than five working products. It's more than, uh, other competitors are offering right
now. Some of them are just starting to do, uh, live monitoring and they're at least a year away from
what we already are doing. And we're like adding even more on top of the, uh, live monitoring that,
uh, that we do, uh, when it comes to the company itself, uh, financially, uh, we have at least two
years of runway for those that don't understand what runway means. It means that we have enough money
in the company, uh, without having to sell tokens to just keep working on the protocol,
on the product for two years without having to sell tokens. So, so that's good to hear.
And then it comes to revenue. We do have some revenue from the lossless protocol whenever we
are cover funds. And also most of the revenue comes from Aegis as the clients that use Aegis pay,
um, in, let's say in Fiat, USDT or, uh, or other, uh, measures. Um, I see that we have two requests to
speak. Uh, one of them is Manifest. I think he was the first, so I'm going to bring you up. Uh,
okay. You can speak now.
Okay. You can try now. Hey, hey guys. Happy Monday.
We can hear you.
How are we all doing? Happy Monday.
Yeah. Um, basically I just have, well, maybe a couple, maybe three questions, but the first one
would be, sorry for Wigantus, what's your vision for the future of Lostless? And how do you see the
community playing a role in actually realizing that vision?
Um, yeah. So, uh, I think I can, not I can, but I will repeat myself as I already said before that,
you know, the vision is to make sure that, you know, we are building, building, uh, the product
which is focused for B2B and B2C side, and also to introduce more features for B2C.
But the whole vision is to make sure that, you know, there is less hacks on the, on the blockchain.
And, you know, the recent, the recent event with Vulcan Forged and Save Money, uh, shows, uh,
shows exactly that we are going the right path. So we want to keep building that. And we believe,
we believe that with more features regarding security for the community, uh, will, will attract also
more community and, you know, more people will, will use community tailored features. And, and, and,
and in that way we believe that community can grow.
Yeah. Thank you for that. Thank you for your answer.
And do you have more questions or should you move on to Seb?
Yeah, actually, I wanted to ask, I mean, we actually, obviously we have a really active
community, you know, with, with diversified people. Do you have any personal advice for,
you know, for, for our community or, um, what he could do, or, you know, in your personal view,
what you, what you could advise them to, you know, uh, in the next six or maybe, maybe one year?
The question is to me or for Glenn?
No, no, for you, we can do.
Um, in general, um, the personal advice for the community maybe would be that, um,
in the bull market, uh, you should stay a little bit less on Twitter maybe, or, and, and to have
focused like, uh, guys to follow and so on, because the data, you know, the, uh, information
streams right now is, uh, usually are enormous on the internet. And sometimes, you know, it's very hard
to understand what's going on because too, too many, uh, news streams, you know, everyone's talking
about different stuff and so on. So for that reason, the best advice would be, you know, to follow,
you know, 10 up to 15, uh, right, uh, Twitter profiles. And in that case, it would be easier,
you know, to have the, the quality news, um, but not like the, you know, uh, the quantity news.
All right. Thank you very much. No more questions from me. Thanks. Thanks.
No worries. Um, I'm going to be removing you. Okay. Seb is your turn. Seb is a lossless bull.
So very glad to see a lossless bull. Um, you're up. What are your questions?
Uh, thank you, uh, Cleanti. Um, firstly, uh, really good job to the whole team. Uh, fantastic work
so far and long may it continue. Um, a couple of questions. Um, firstly, again, I don't know
how much you can disclose, but the, the revenue, the recurring revenue you're getting from
ages has that got to a point where it can be self-sustaining. I can meet ongoing running costs
of the team. Um, or has it still got a way to go?
Yeah. Just give me one second.
Okay. Doesn't let me
Okay. Because we had begun this disconnect for a little bit. He's going to, uh,
be able to speak right now. I hope. Okay. Doesn't let me approve. That's weird.
Okay. We're going to try to accept my invite for you to speak.
Okay. I think you should be able to speak now.
Okay. So just to reiterate the question, uh, I think the question was, uh, regarding the revenue.
Um, if I got this correctly, it was how much can we disclose as to, uh, let's say the percent of the
revenue. Was that correct, Seb? Or do you want to, uh, ask it again?
More along the lines of, is the revenue from ages, uh, getting to a point where it's
close to meeting or meeting the running costs of, I guess, the team and development.
Okay. Yeah.
Again, that's, I think, yeah, you're muted, but you can speak. You are a speaker.
Okay.
Okay. Let's like, everything goes well. And then Twitter decides to be Twitter or X.
Okay. We can, we can hear you now. Okay.
Uh, some, uh, accident refresh the page. Uh, so regarding your questions, uh, in general,
in general, it is, uh, uh, confidential information, but, uh, for sure, we are pretty good with the
numbers we're getting from the revenue and we are, you know, growing the revenue. So everything is
in general on a good path. So, yeah, cannot, cannot add something more.
No, that's, that's okay. Um, next question was, so, so I know that, um, the team, uh, or the,
the protocol can only currently work on EVM, uh, chains. Is there appetite to, um, expand to other chains
or is that, uh, well, I mean, to be honest, the EVM chains are covered most of, uh, DeFi. Um,
but just wondering, is there a consideration to, for example, expand to, uh, uh, like Solana, for example?
Uh, for sure. For sure. For sure. We have plans to, for the expansion to other chains,
which is not even compatible. Uh, but also it's very hard to say the timelines and et cetera,
because it requires, uh, you know, in order to fully operate on another chain, you know,
it has to be some preparation and we want to do a proper start for the new chain. So, yeah. But in
general, yeah, we are exploring like Solana, exploring some layer tools and so on.
Uh, another question I had was, I suppose, in relation to UNO. Um, so they recently had a pretty,
a bit of a disaster. Um, and I think speaking in telegram, uh, found out that obviously lossless,
uh, partnered with them, uh, partnered with them, got insurance, but they kind of rejected to
integrate lossless. Um, so I was just kind of wondering, because it is quite a unique scenario
where a claims assessor role can essentially just empty, uh, um, empty a pool. Um, is that something that
the protocol could have stopped with obviously the settlement period and whatnot? Um, or is that
something actually overridden? Um, I just, just, I guess more like kind of you, you've done like deep
dives in certain hacks. So I was just wanting to know what are you, what are your thoughts on that? And
would losses have been able to stop that?
Uh, to be honest, uh, I'm not so familiar that hack. I saw that, uh, I was reading about that,
but to be honest, I didn't, uh, I didn't check too much on that. So I cannot answer the question
properly, but, uh, I will take a look and I will drop a message on telegram in order to answer correctly.
No, that's cool. Um, yeah, it's just, just out of interest. Cause obviously I found out about,
you know, through lossless. Um, so it was just a bit, I didn't realize that they, um,
they hadn't integrated, um, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just to clarify the, uh, the partnership
that's, um, as you mentioned, that's for insurance. So protocols that have a lossless integrated have
better, uh, insurance fees and all of those, uh, good things, but they, the agreement wasn't for them
to use lossless in their pools because for example, they do have their watchdog product,
which is they're trying to do something similar to what, uh, we're doing and offering. But in this
case, their system wasn't able to, uh, to pick up the, the attack before it happened. Um, we,
we did reach out to their team to help them figure things out, but I think, uh, they, uh, they patched
it without, uh, without too much of our input, but yeah, we would be open to, to work with them. Um,
if they would need our help. No, that's, that's good. That's good to hear. Um, uh, and I guess last
but not least, um, when $24? Um, you know, 2024 for $24 sounds good. We can promise anything as
always. So this was a joke. It's just for everyone to, to be clear, but you know, no, no, it wasn't a
joke. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't a joke. 2024 for $24 sounds good. All right. No, thank you very much.
Okay. Um, I think we have covered all the questions that, uh, we have had so far from the previous posts,
from everyone that was willing to ask. So begin us any closing thoughts, any small teaser before we,
we ended here. Uh, yeah, I just wanted to tell, uh, thank you very much for coming and listening to
the spaces and, uh, and, and, and looking forward, you know, next year and next, uh, bigger achievements
and so on. But, you know, as far as I can see, uh, bull market, uh, uh, I hope so the bull market is,
is getting ready. So I hope that, you know, everyone is going to be, to be enjoying the next run. And,
and, and, and, uh, yeah, I think everyone, everyone will have a good, a good growth on the, you know,
on the users, on the gains and so on. So yeah, I wish for everyone to be, to be safe,
also to be secured in this market because for sure hackers is, uh, hackers are going to be more
active as well. And most likely they are going to target also more retailers. So yeah, be secured,
be, be safe. And, uh, yeah, thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you for coming up. Um, the,
let's say the last teasers that I would like to, to give everyone before we start making official
announcements, expect a little bit of adapt development that we're doing. That's a cool thing.
Uh, soon we're going to also announce something that, uh, it's going to be about centralized
exchanges. As we've said, we want to get them as clients as well. So tools specifically for them are
going to be developed. And last but not least, uh, definitely we're, we're a hundred percent to AI. We,
we, the amount of hacks that we are able to predict before those happen. You can go to the blog and see
the different cases. We're a hundred percent, um, into AI and improving our systems using it. We make,
uh, basically improvements every two weeks when it comes to all those work on our protocol. So
be, be tuned. Uh, more announcements are coming. Uh, 2024 is going to be even bigger. Thank you
everyone for tuning in. See you soon. Bye. Thank you. Bye.
