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AMA with Lifeship Founder Ben Haldeman | MoonDAO Mondays
Recorded: May 22, 2023
I am in San Diego, California. So there's a tweet pinned at the top here. If you guys can like that and retweet it, that would be helpful.
to cultivate a little bit more of an audience. But yeah, we're also recording so people get tuned in after the fact as well. But yeah, how you doing Ben? How's San Diego? Is it a nice up there?
It was very sunny yesterday. We do get some morning clouds sometimes this time of year, but it is it is gorgeous. Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, the summer that is the rest of the year. Right. But I do I lived in San Francisco.
go for eight years. And I do still on a daily basis miss San Francisco, miss the Bay Area, but now I'm living on a really cool land north of San Diego and it borders this ecological preserve. And so yeah, I get a lot of time in nature and a lot of what I'm working on.
inspired by that. So that's been a cool journey of spending time in cities but then living on some land. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah that's a good segue. So what did one inspired life ship? So yeah what's the story there? I guess we can take us through like maybe the
year leading up to launching life ship and what was the sort of decision point. Yeah, yeah, so I'll start with. Well, I had worked on I was early on at Planet Labs in
I worked on over 300 satellites to the winter space. So I worked a lot on space and before that I spent eight years building big telescopes to find exoplanets around other star systems. So my work had all been life and space related and help Earth from space. I took some time off after planet and
did a bunch of vision questing and really a lot of time in nature and a lot of time clearing out space and seeing what one of them had come through. And on one of these journeys I went down to the rainforest in Guatemala and I did this retreat down there and then I
when spent a whole day in the forest by myself and meditating under this giant tree deep in the forest that I found and through all this I got this transmission or knowing of and saw the picture of
life evolving in ocean and life evolving out onto the land and life evolving up into the air and the earth and life and Gaia filling out every niche of our ecosystem here on earth and that life wanted to expand and the earth wanted to reproduce and that made
Maybe that's how we got here, something else since the year. But either way, we're at this point where the Earth wants more life in the universe than that either we're going to live in a universe where Earth came and went or the Earth is the start of life rippling across the galaxy.
And so what came to me was that part of the reason we're here is to create the seeds of earth to spread life to the stars and to continue and propagate life in the universe. And from that, the seed relationship was born and that and the first mission
became the Preservacy Bank of DNA of Earth species and humanity on the moon because that's the closest off-world place that feels like a logical backup copy of Earth and a place that we
We can save a record and the blueprint of all the species that we have today and humanity for both future generations or if something else finds it in the future. But really it's like, let's save a backup of Earth somewhere else and a close place. But then this is all in
in the agile steps towards how do we spread life in the universe and that could look like seeds that we send out that are meant to grow life. It could look like bio banks that go on interstellar journeys or go to other space.
space settlements in the future where we bring the code of life from Earth. So that really is the vision of life-ship is to take steps towards how do we populate life on new worlds in the future and how do we add some redundancy to Earth here today and life here today.
Yeah, that's a beautiful, it's a beautiful origin story. So I, yeah, I recently watched a contact and something that had a big impression on me is the aliens
trying to communicate to humans and how they have to put everything in sort of ways that humans can't understand and decode. And I imagine that you've done a lot of thinking about this too. How
could an alien species decode DNA or some seeds of life inside of the bio bank? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that. I started working on that aspect of it, or is that
sort of something that you're... yeah, I'm just curious to hear your thoughts on all of that. Yeah, we have... that's a big part of this, is we want to be a message that anyone, even without human language, could
and learn about us and receive the message and learn what's inside this. And so we are partnered with different groups. One is Park Mission Foundation and they're working on like a Rosetta Stone like thing that starts
can see and then teaches you further language and teaches about humanity and teaches about culture. And then we have another partner, Interstellar Foundation that is working on a message to send as part of this.
they could also be decoded. And there's different technologies we can store stuff in. One of them is that we're saving information into synthetic D&D.
So there's one of our partners prints information into DNA and they've actually printed all of Wikipedia in the DNA and so it's possible that DNA is the or a virtual program.
that all life either is some form of DNA or would understand it. So it is a good technology to store stuff in. Whereas if you send a floppy drive up there, there's less ability to decode that or figure out
how to decode it, but it's possible DNA is this universal programming language. And then there are other technologies such as there's a 5D crystal that you can laser-etch, super dense information into, terabyte some information into. And we're looking at using some of these other technologies on some of these as well.
Yeah, well, that's a really... I've never thought about that. About NA making a universal programming language. Not just unique to the earth. I'm curious to... So how did they... How were they able to, you know, transfer
to describe regular data into DNA? Are they like, assuming, are they like mapping the binary of the data onto the pairs of the DNA or like, yeah, I'm curious about that.
Yeah, I'm not exactly sure on the encoding, but instead of binary with ones zeros is ACTG. So there's additional density of information that can be stored there. But then yeah, you need to figure out how to take essentially ones and zeros or
0 to 3 is and turn that into something that someone else who didn't have the program to run it could decode that into information. But then probably to touch back on because you mentioned contact the movie and
I've been pondering a lot on contact recently. I recently rewatched it with my eight-year-old daughter, Luna. In the movie, "Contacts," the Celio species sent a message to humanity to Earth.
And then we were able to decode it and build this machine and then do some sort of time space travel to communicate with with the aliens species, but then they only gave us the main character, Jody Foster, enough information to
to like know what happened but not to like completely convince everyone or to change the whole world. And it just was, that's what it was, is they made contact. They didn't like, they didn't send the whole, they just like
did a touch of contact. Part of what has been coming through with lifeship is that this isn't just a record and an archive that we're sending out. This also is a message from us to be received by whoever that also
So is this message of spreading the knowledge or the consciousness or the intelligence that we've gained as well and making contact with whoever receives it? And it's likely whoever receives this, if they receive it, will probably be more advanced than us.
And there is like a sense of, okay, we're sending something out there to make contacts. And part of my thoughts recently and something we're working towards, this also include a large language model on this.
or representing us to make contact that we're sending out there with this. So that's part of the direction of where it's headed also. And then one other piece is like when she does make contact with the LA
She says like can you give me more can you tell me more or something? They say this is just how it's been done This is how it's been done for billions of years before like before we ever existed like that species ever existed they received another message from someone else and then they passed
And some ways I see that as kind of like what we're doing with lifeship is that the big vision is to create a billion year sort of Movement or organization that ripples life all across and kind of all of that
codify it, let's get spread in the in the galaxy, whether that's by self-replicating and sending some out there or the then we will have life from the same time and some why it propagates and continues the attention is that
is to lay the foundation for something that is galactic and ripples out and is also the way that it's done and the way that the values and life from Earth and the story of humanity gets rippled outward as well.
Yeah, that's amazing. So I want to ask you about this mission that we're doing together. Could you explain to the audience what we're doing and how it works and also how they could get involved?
Yeah, so it's pretty over there on the surface.
Sorry, I'm getting a little bit of a robot voice. I don't know if that's on my end or if people in the audience can you guys hear Ben alright or is that just me?
Give me a thumbs up if you can hear us both alright or thumbs down if there's a little bit of a breaking up.
Call it now.
It's it's it was perfect before so whatever was going on before it was working great
Oh, last spin.
I think he's probably just having some connection issues. Maybe he's just walking around or something.
There we go.
How we know, Pablo.
Okay, yeah, this is perfect. Yeah, so the mission we're doing with moon down is we have this capsule going to the moon. It's on a
A moon lander made by Firefly, which is a company out of Austin, Texas, and this lander launches on the SpaceX rocket and we'll go to the moon about a year from now. And so with moon down, we're including different stuff from moon down
capsule and then people as part of the moon down community can join like the moon down part of the scaps, and you can either send photos into it or send statements or other or like
And then the main thing is that we have kids for people to add their DNA as well and also pets DNA and then also ashes to it.
So it is a capsule of life from Earth and Mundal's part of that and people can add themselves to it.
Yeah, and the DNA is toward in a synthetic amber, right? It is so the DNA We've preserved the DNA of all different species and then and then people and it's from a saliva sample and we extract the DNA out of the saliva and
And we've preserved in this polymer, we call synthetic amber polymer, kind of like tree sap in Jurassic Park where DNA can get preserved for thousands to million years inside tree sap.
And that's the intention is that this is a preservation of your DNA for tens of thousands to hundreds of
thousands of years and that potentially that this is a bank that then gets brought to further to the stars when we go in the future.
And the first one is just going up to the moon.
Yeah, that's incredible. I mean, yeah, like I I hope that they're like I don't even want to like say this to call it into existence, but in some, you know, terrible extinction event or doomsday scenario. What would the process look like?
So say that we have some group of humans on Earth that survive some cataclysmic events and they've retained some knowledge of how to go to space and they build up the capability again but they've lost
maybe a massive amount of biological information. So if they were to get one of these capsules back, I guess maybe, yeah, could you walk us through what does a process look like to go in the reverse direction? So we've talked about getting the DNA on the bank. How do we
go in the opposite direction, how do we get the information from the DNA and then decode those seeds to get the biological memory of Earth back. So there's already a well-funded company that
is working to bring back the Wolley mammoths. That's from fragments of DNA from Wolley mammoths that have been pieced back together and then that gets placed into a believe it's an elephant egg or or touched in with elephant DNA as well. So the technology already is very
And they think that's a few years away from being able to start getting close to bringing back Willi Mammus or populating up. So the technology is already pretty much there to take fragmented old D.A. and people
build an extinct species from it. And so there is this like first MVP, okay, it just makes sense to save the DNA of all the different species we can. And I, and
like a bunch of species have already been cloned either from DNA or cells previously. So that technology is already well advanced. I feel the core mission of the company, I guess this is a backup of Earth, but that's not really
an inspirational mission. And I'm an optimist and I'm how this mission came is more that, okay, we're creating these seeds and these banks to populate new worlds. And yes, they also preserve it back up Earth. But it's not meant to be a doomsday mission.
But it also meant is meant to, okay, let's save a copy of everything for seven generations from now or 70 generations from now because we know we are losing, I think we're losing 200 species every single day, which is ridiculous. I think we've sequenced the DNA or we've
We've identified a name that I think one and a half million species on earth. And we think there's about eight millions on earth. And 200 species go extinct every single day. So many of those we've never even documented. So it does seem to make sense to save a
of what we have today. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, you're looking forward not backwards. And I guess in looking forward, what are some of the other missions that Light Ship has planned?
What's so I know that the DNA that that if people send their DNA to the moon on this Mission there will also be included in future missions too, right? So maybe yeah, I'd like to hear more about the the future Vision of life ship and
and what other locations you have in mind. So we have another moon mission that we've already shipped the capsule for. So that one is planned for the next couple of months. We've already gone to the International Space Station twice. So we've already sent that up there. We plan to send more back to the
the space station because it makes sense to have a up-to-date copy of the capsule up there. And then we want to get to Mars. We want to get to Mars. We want to get on asteroids. We want to get other places.
We want to be responsible actors and take care of planetary protection and not just send stuff out there that could contaminate or hurt our future science. But some of these K-LOs might just be digital and we might not
not be able to send DNA to Mars right away, but we're navigating that and navigating where we can send life and space and taking steps towards responsibly opening the conversation around seating life eventually.
and backing up life and space. And the model of how we're working at is people add their DNA. It goes to the moon. We'll also send it to the space station. And then we'll likely have, once we start being on very regular launches and going all different places, we'll likely have a
subscription or a membership where then you go to Mars and you go out of the solar system and you go to places. So right now the initial product comes with going to the moon and going to the space station, but then there'll probably be a membership where you continue to
add more about yourself and make this more and more of this forever digital twin copy of yourself and perhaps even a AI avatar of yourself that is a representation of you and your consciousness that propagates this copy of you.
to the stars. Yeah, that's incredible. So I'm thinking back to how the DNA is stored.
I think you should talk a little bit about how the data is processed because it's not ever being sequenced or stored anywhere, right? Which I think is important. Yeah, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Yeah, so at first, and what are what are
terms of service and privacy agreement all says is that all we do is we extract your DNA and then we put it in space and we put it on the moon we put it on the space station and we we're not actually sequencing DNA so we're not
We're not reading it and turning it into your ACTG unique code and we don't store that on a server somewhere. We don't even have it and we don't sell it. We don't sell it to pharmaceutical companies or other companies. We just literally take your cells and
and send the DNA to the moon. And in space, and it's possible in the future, we will offer digitizing DNA and giving you your code and then also sending the digital code, because if we want you to last for a billion years,
then it probably needs to be digitized and etched into a crystal and then sent across the solar system and beyond. And so that probably will be a future offering is that we will archive the digital copy of you, but we want this to be like the most secure
thing you could do with your D&A is like either you're going to disappear without a trace or you're going to propagate a copy of you to the stars and so we wanted to be something that is very okay this is the record that's sent out there and we're not doing anything
else with it or selling it or using it for other things. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. So I'm also curious, like, I want to learn more about you, the person behind this. So you gave
a little bit about your story, I guess, before lifeship. But yeah, I'd love to hear more about you. And like, yeah, like how has-- starting a company, I feel like a lot of people in the audience here
are either founders or looking to maybe start their own company. I'm curious what advice you have for them, especially people getting started in the space economy. Yeah, I'm grateful for my journey.
It was part of this company building telescopes. It was the third person to join, I think. And then we grew to 80 people and built telescopes around the world. And then I joined Planet Labs. It was the 20th person to join. And we grew to 500 people who I was there.
And so I got to see, and both these companies, I moved around and did a lot of stuff, especially a planet. I moved from just engineering to product management and program management and coordinating buying rockets to get to space and strategy and
business team. So we really got to see all the different parts that go into making a company work. And then it's great to come at that from a deep engineering
background of understanding depth there. And then the journey of starting a company, I felt for a while that I was a company was meant to come through me. And then as I gave it space and
really, I didn't really want to force anything, but it just started along with my own personal journey and meditation and yoga and connecting with the earth and connecting to my purpose. It just really
started to appear as, oh this is my purpose in the universe. This isn't just a thing I'm making up to try to make money or something. This is the thing meant to be birthed through me and come through me. This is my piece of the story of
humanity in the universe and whether that's all predetermined and destined or or or however it works, however you see it working, it just kind of felt like I
I was not creating this. I was not dreaming this thing up. I was not like, "Oh, what am I going to do with my time? How am I going to make this?" It more felt like this was the natural thing meant to happen in the story of the universe and I was uncovering it and sh*t.
And learning what it's meant to be and it's not really me doing it, it's more the thing is appearing into existence and I'm helping to shine light on what's meant to be there. And yeah, the entrepreneurial journey is a, it's
up and downwind and it's like especially the first year or so of this. It's like what the heck am I doing? I'm sending people spit to the moon. Is this people just going to think there's a scam? Is people going to think there's a stupid and it's just about money or just about
And it really just like kept feeling like there was a greater universal thing going on and that this is what wants to happen as part of Earth and nature and life and yeah, so coming towards
the North Star of, okay, why, what is the big thing that this is doing and what's the reason for its existence and getting true to that?
But then also being practical and seeing how businesses have worked and figuring out what MVPs are and how to
how to grow an actual sustainable business out of it. It's part of the journey. And then it's been a journey of, especially earlier on, I'm four years into this now. It was less defined exactly what I was doing.
what the thing was and I'd equally get people telling me like that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of and then people say it was like the coolest thing I've heard of it the last year and so it really
really comes down to a journey of personal growth and an alignment of what you're here to do and a trust in a trust in the following and the leaning in.
They make analogies like jump it off a cliff without a parachute learning to fly or assembling their plane on the way down. Yeah, I've found a lot of that to be.
To be true is just like a learning to trust and learning to keep marching forward on something you believe in and something that you feel is meant to happen and meant to happen through you.
Yeah, that's very beautiful. I'm reminded of a quote that I came across recently that I think it was I'm gonna butcher it but it was something like most ideas fail because of doubts.
not because of failure of people trying it, but just because they just lose face a long way. And yeah, I really like hearing your thoughts on that. I mean, I think that's like a universal truth with anyone starting their own thing for the first time, the amount of doubt
that you have to go through is quite a lot, not just from yourself, but maybe people close to you and your friends, your family, etc. It can be a lot to keep
moving forward and persevere through all those hard times. But, yeah, I mean, I could also empathize with like, yeah, some people are like, this is the most incredible thing ever. And then also like the opposite side of that, people that just don't
They don't really see the same vision. But yeah, I think ultimately, if it resonates with you and you're passionate about it, then it sounds like you gotta keep that flame going.
You know, and I love the way that you frame it. It's not like your own personal mission. It's a grander story. It's a grander narrative that you're just kind of shepherding into existence. That's really beautiful. I'm curious
like, is this like, yeah, like really, really long term, like if we're projecting, you know, thousands or millions of years into the future, what is sort of like the legacy that we have
Does something that you think about? Does that something like you hope to be inside of that story? Or is that not really these thoughts so much part of it? Yeah, I--
Right, I think as far as what I'm creating, that legacy is meant to...
meant to be something that lives beyond earth, something that continues life, something that spreads consciousness, that continues humanity, that continues life. And then through the process of this whole thing, it's a
Project meant to help Earth and help people that connect to their purpose and help people reflect on who they are in the universe and what their piece of this whole story of humanity in the cosmos is. And so it's meant to help humanity
It's meant to help Earth. It's meant to help here today. It's meant to continue the impact beyond Earth and ideally be something that ripples and ripples across the galaxy and creates a...
organization or a way or a seed that then goes and continues. And then I guess the way I think about this as my personal legacy is like,
Like that doesn't come first like it's it's it's like okay of course This is all the stuff I'm doing and then I'll be a part of that story because I'm Playing a significant role of this, but it doesn't feel like it's about Writing my legacy or my story as much as it is
is, okay, this is the stuff I'm doing and this is the kind of movement it is and I get to play a piece of that story and I'm a shepherd of that or I'm playing a role there.
Yeah, it makes sense. Another question that I have for you since we are mooned out and we're focused on the moon. What is your vision for a settlement on the moon?
What do you think are the most important consideration when thinking about designing and building and building? Yeah, good.
question. I feel very alive and that will probably have people living on the moon permanently by 2030 and that as
as the rockets start going there that they'll just start going frequently and be more like airplanes going back and forth and yeah and all the pieces that need to happen here on earth for a city are going to be needed up there and and it
It is a chance to rethink how we live and how we are as a species and how we govern and how we live in community. So I think there's a lot of opportunity there.
about all the different pieces, like whether that's biodegraded.
Oh, I think we lost to their Ben. Can you hear us?
There we go. You're, you're a fantastic. Okay. Yeah. Cool.
So we just missed the last 10 seconds. Okay. Well, I might say about space. So that's humans, that's plants, that's grown food, all the different aspects. But yeah, then we need all the need, we get
I just see all.
This is kind of, I don't know if this is right analogy, they're like a chicken egg problem. And yet it's just like, it's like both. Like all the companies that are going to be needed for space out of my dark, like they're getting built. People here are going to be building them.
There's more and more going to be popping up and it's just an exponential of okay, you can't have space element until you have the like Water utility company or something. Well, someone's someone's doing that or something will do it and it's just like all the different pieces that are are starting
starting to come together and the company is in the movements and the organizations are being built to do all these different pieces. And so the whole thing is just like starting to pop and starting to come together and we live in an exponential exciting time and
And as soon as we start throwing AI at figuring out bigger things and have 3D printing robots and have material processing, it's just like all of a sudden it's going to be like, wow, things can get done quickly.
up there and get done bigger. And so we're in this exciting exponential time and that will increasingly come to space exploration.
Would you like to be part of the first settlement? Is that in the cards for you, do you think?
Oh, did we, uh, we might have lost you, but I don't know if you can hear us. Are you there, Pablo? Yep. Can you hear me? I'm here.
testing. Can you guys hear me in the audience? Give me a thumbs up if you can hear me. Yeah, jump back in Pablo if you can hear me.
Yeah, and I'm...
I have what other parts of it.
I think, well, Ben, can you give me now? Yeah, I guess as far as where where lifeship fits in all that, I feel like wherever humans go, we're going to bring with us the code of earth and the blueprint of earth. And it makes sense that
any of these places have life at them and a record of life from Earth. And then eventually we'll have something that can
grow plants from the DNA or cells that we send there and we'll have we'll have something that can grow grow back animals and eventually even grow back humans as and be able to populate places from
from these bio banks that we take with us on these on these future journeys. Yeah, can you hear me now, Ben? This is working.
Shoot. This is weird. I can hear Ben perfectly, but and I got thumbs up from the audience so they could hear me, but I think Ben is the only one that can't hear me.
Yes, I guess.
Is there any way for people to ask questions? Yeah, let's listen. Let's invite someone else to do maybe that works. Okay. They can be the bridge between. Hey, you're right. Yeah, I guess. Hey, Ben, can you hear me? Hey, Rod.
I can. So the thing is that when you cannot hear Pablo, it happens sometime. Could you please rejoin? It's completely okay. I mean, it's just one of the Twitter bugs. We cannot ask Pablo to rejoin because in that case, we will lose that.
Thanks for saving me, Rad. I'm hopping off.
Yeah, that's right. That takes for us.
I guess in the meantime, yeah, how are you doing, Rod? How's everything's going? I heard that you're moving over to Latin. Where is that specific place of Mexico? I'm sure I have a visa deal
September and summer at September I'm planning to move to Latam and make a trip over Latam I'm not sure where to stay yet just to check all the countries and I'm planning the trip to incorporate
I see at Baku it will be on in October from second to 6th of October so I'm planning to attend I see in Baku
Awesome. Yeah, we'll have to catch up more about that. Ben, can you hear me now? I can.
There we go. So, so a question that I have for you is what do you do think that you'll be on one of these
for settlement missions to the moon. Is that in the cards for you, do you think? This is another piece where for a while I
And maybe this is more like my ego. I was like, oh, I want to go to space. I want to do this in space. I want to be part of this settlement.
Since that's kind of dropped and it's been less about, oh, when do I get to go to space and what and that being my big dream for myself and more about creating this
purpose in this mission. So I wouldn't say I'm like totally driven for myself to be in space. And that said, I've done a lot of stuff in space. I've done a lot of space related stuff. I'm weaved into a lot of space settlement stuff. I'm building
you know, life ship which has something to do with all this and so I just kind of feel and then I have a vision of I was down and I watched the Starships launch recently and watching that rocket it was like a
Oh my god, I'm going to ride that rocket someday feel and the rockets are here and they're real and so I do feel that these these rockets are becoming more and more like airplanes and it's just going to be natural to even you know for millions of people to fly point to point around the
earth and go into space. So going into space is going to become something that a lot, a lot, a lot of more people will do. And then going to the moon will be something that will become exponentially less expensive and more and more accessible. And yeah, I feel
like I will be there and I don't know if I want to do a one-way trip or go to Mars necessarily but I feel that space settlements and spending some time in space is definitely part of my future.
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get where you're coming from with so I go is it like you don't want to make it about yourself and you don't want to be you know, you know just thinking selfishly like hey, I want to be part of this element but I do think that you know it's
I wonder how many people will sign up for those first few missions. I think we'll get a good amount, but I think when I ask the question it becomes so real, you know, like, oh man, I'm going to leave behind my friends, my family, and
potentially die on this sort of on this mission. It's a very serious thing. So I think bringing that into just on a personal level it can become jarring. What do you think is
Do you think that there's anything holding you back? Like say that you were selected to go. Would you go? Like not like you are trying to compete to get to go, but the whole world turned to you Ben and went, "Hey,
Hey Ben, we need you to help start this future lunar settlement. Like, would you jump at that or is it something that you're not interested in at all? Totally. I'm ready to go to the moon whenever.
As soon as SpaceX is ready to fly to the moon and flying customers, I trust them and I would go on that mission. And Mars is a different story because it could be a one way trip and it's just a lot more serious. But the moon is close.
You know, that's something you could do for a, for a six-month thing, for a couple of week thing. And yeah, if I'm, if I'm the one meant to do something there, then, and it's, it's what's meant to happen. And then I'm ready for it whenever it's ready.
Yeah, yeah, I guess that yeah like Sometimes I think it's tricky for people to visualize the just the massive difference in in sort of a and how far away Mars is versus the moon like
Mars is a three months long voyage and going to the moon is a three day long voyage. It's kind of a... yeah, like... but at the same time, even like
I wouldn't say that would just be a walk in the park to go to the moon. I mean it's incredible that we were able to get it on the first try in the United States and to send people back.
It's a massive... Like, probabilistically, you know, that like the president was already preparing speeches about how we were going to lose the astronauts and all of this, but yeah, like it's incredible if we were able to pull that off.
And yeah, I do think SpaceX would be able to pull it off too, but I think there's some real risk there as well. What are you ready to go? What's your sentiment on it?
I mean, at this point, I feel like it's become my life, all of this with Moon Tao.
I don't think that makes any logical sense. But at the same time, there is some of my
a fear there. Like being, if Moon Tao does help build one of these first settlements, whoever we send up there, you know, like that's going to be, yeah, I mean I think it's going to be the journey of a lifetime
time. And so you can't really pass that up. Like it's just one of those things that would probably be one of the most exciting, just like amazing thing ever to be part of that first construction. But yeah, I feel very
do though where it's like I like there's sort of like this like selfish part of it where it's like oh like I really want to go like when do I get to go when do I get to experience this but yeah and and if it's if it's someone else
you know, very, very, very excited for that person. I mean, we, there's such a big journey between where Mundal is today and where we need to be and you know, eight or so years, sorry, seven years, with
the 2030 goal. I think it's very achievable. Given our trajectory so far, that we could buy seats on a starship rocket and be part of this first settlement. But yeah, we haven't really figured out what this
selection mechanism is going to be, would we leave it up to random chance like we did with the blorge and plate would we do more of a competition like we did with the zero g flights recently. Like a vote, do we do a base off of
popularity. It feels to me that none of those systems are quite perfect yet. There's probably something that we haven't really figured out in terms of the selection process. I feel like there could be
a third way that we do it. But yeah, ultimately it's, yeah, like I think that's going to be like one of the biggest decisions that the mundo makes in our organization's lifetime is like, who do we select to go on this mission?
to the moon. Yeah, and it's crazy that like these sort of things are possible, like that you can actually buy these seats to go to the moon in our lifetime. Like that fact is just so mind bending to me that like
is very difficult to internalize. But yeah, I think that we're on the right path, but there's a lot of work in between where we are today and then actually going to the moon.
Awesome. Yeah, I agree. And yet there's just this feel of
Oh, it's all naturally happening. It's all, yeah, it's all happening. I don't know when is going to be my turn. I'm not in a rush.
But like, it's happening as part of our future. We're all part of this and we're all here as part of it and we haven't. Exciting future ahead.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, I really do think that we live in the most exciting times in all human history Like like by far I think that like like we're we're living through Just the most incredible time like we're like
going to the moon were like AI is popping off. We're going through this just incredible like Cambrian explosion of like different AI models that are capable of
of surpassing human intelligence. We're also living in a time of incredible innovations when it comes to bioengineering, which is something that I feel like doesn't get that much
much of a highlight, but it's also really incredible and ties them to what you're doing with Flasher. Like, there are massive advances in VR happening right now too. There are massive advances in robotics.
Even the politics, like what's going on right now due to crypto and people being able to have sovereign money. I really think that we're extremely lucky to be alive right now.
I agree. And it's the.
the most epic close calls and the most epic like
big, big potential scary stuff as well as like the most epic, big potential solutions and things that can cause global impact and massive change and we just live, live in accelerating change, accelerating.
Accelerating intelligence, accelerating compute, accelerating Awakening of consciousness and there's just these powerful powerful movements happening here on earth and every year is going to
And then, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,#
I feel we're headed for a good place. There's a lot of scary stuff along the way and epicness to the challenges we're in.
I feel like we're we're we're threading the needle and believe that we've we've got a beautiful positive future ahead. But there's there's a lot of hard work to be done to keep threading that needle.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it can be, it can be scary sometimes to just think about, yeah, all of these different threads happening all at once.
and a lot of them are really unstoppable. I see Rod's got his hand up, give a question for Ben.
I just wanted to add that actually from what I percept by adults. I mean projects related to synthetic biology, longevity. They are much more active on the web3 space than in space
exploration and it's quite upset me, it's definitely it's important but as a guy who is a huge fan of his basic exploration I think we should push it forward I mean like on Gidcoin most of the projects in this idea related somehow to biology
Yeah, the biology is this whole.
This whole new like, wow, what the heck is going to happen here? And yeah, there's a lot between synthetic biology and the future biology.
life on Earth and AI connected to biology or AI designing life. And there's a lot of big, who knows what that'll look like in the future, feel.
Yeah, and the fact that people are talking like in realistic terms about pathways towards extending human life. Like, that's, I mean, we're yet
to have discovered that, but it's kind of like we're run the cusp of figuring out the philosophers' stone, you know. Like we're almost there in solving all of these insane problems. I mean sometimes I wonder like, okay
Is this hype? Or are we really able to extend life and conquer death and go up into the stars? But yeah, it seems like all of these sci-fi dreams are becoming realer and realer every day.
Yeah, it's really something else. Yeah, that's part of what the vision of what we're doing is we are extending lives here, but we're also how do we extend the life of
humanity and life, life of the species and put them to the stars. And yeah, there's a lot that will happen all across all of this, biology, longevity, space,
What comes after humans are we are we are we reaching the point of of like a new species coming out of humans here as synthetic biology and
comes and we start doing more modifications and connecting ourselves with technology in different ways and just a lot that's going to change.
Yeah, the fact that we're we're bursting new forms of machine consciousness right now. That is that is that is something that really really events the mind. I'm curious if anyone in the audience
questions for Ben and if they want to jump up and and ask something or or share Ben let us know if you've got a stopping point we're a little bit past the hour yeah but if we can get I'm flexible personally but like also when I respect everyone's time I
But yeah, if there's any questions or anything we want to further talk about, then happy to shout a bit more and also happy to call it if we're there. Yeah, let's see. Let's see if we get a request to jump up here. If anyone has a question, yeah, feel free to request and get up here on stage.
Yeah, or a rod if you have a question since you're already up here on stage feel free Maybe I have not a question. I just want to add that I've seen been your project on
Getcoin and happy to collaborate on the next getcoin because this one was quite awful because of I guess is on average you can get much more attention and donations on getcoin on different rounds
Cool, I haven't been closely tracky yet. I would love if there's next round or another opportunity to do something with it and you think there's a good opportunity.
to be then. Then let me know. I'll try to pay more attention to it. Yeah, definitely. That's a great opportunity to raise awareness in
region space around like in a specific web3 community around your project. It happens every three months and the next Bitcoin will be
be in July, a couple of weeks before the round, I'll pin you when and be quite clear what's happening because it's not clear what rounds will be there and what will happen.
Awesome. Yeah, and I do, you know, part of our mission is a, an open science sort of seed bank backup of all the different species from Earth and then also what what science and
And what advancements and what technology will be needed in this longer direction towards how do we first start with seed banks, but then build towards seeds and and and back up life for the next billion years and also spread life. And there's just a lot of a lot of stuff there that makes sense in a
open science sort of way and an open science sort of approach and then we may be putting the DNA of the different species on on chain as well and making that accessible and so there's a lot of different ways that this ties into open
scientific and collaborative approaches and then lots of different ways this ties into education as well and steam and connecting people with space, connecting people with biodiversity and life from Earth and DNA and science and so there's a lot of cool weaving of this and
different areas. And from that perspective, the main value that Bitcoin would provide you is the connections, our connections that you make to different projects. And there are projects related to
Well, like a lot of my projects are like there was one interesting project they wanted to save Wikipedia in DNA in trees. So basically a self-replicating Wikipedia. It's quite simple, just you know you have to
to add using CRISPR, a DNA that contains information and contains genetic code that produces no proteins. I think it's crazy. I will be with every new version, with every new
New three, they'll just make that copy of the knowledge of humans. And there are a lot of projects like that. And that's the main value of all the collaborations.
Yeah, a lot of how to cool collaborations here and yeah, and I love the the Dow Web 3 collaborative approach of okay, we're all we're all doing these different things and are different platforms and
communities can collaborate and be part of this general new approach of how we make things more accessible and democratize and open and connect movements for humanity and make them participatory.
Yeah, I'm curious to hear your thoughts about a life ship becoming a dial. I know it's been something that you have been exploring.
Yeah, they're definitely is the down meant to happen here and
And I think the timing of when that comes and launch is still being figured out, but a big piece of this is meant to be a
collaborative decentralized democratized open movement to to spread life in the universe and and codify and make make like a codified organization of how what
what that looks like, what life's spreading beyond earth and then what life's rippling out beyond that and what is the way, the way that life and
Humanity is sending this outwards and yeah, so that feels like it's further down and and
excited for help as well. And so if there's there's ideas or thoughts or ways to people that want to start chatting more about this and that we're we're carving out both the
because we've started with the mission. We've started by doing this. We've started selling these kids to help fund it for people to join and for people to add themselves to it. But then the Dow will come and carve out a specific area of what part of this whole
thing it's doing, there may be a nonprofit that's meant to, or that might be the Dow, that's also meant to do the biodiversity backups and help life here on Earth and also make this an inclusive
a mission and a diverse mission that represents all of humanity. So all different pieces of this and I see a Dow as a big part of what we're doing. And that all that's
that's being worked on, but one help as we go. And there are opportunities to help frame that and help figure out what is this thing that's meant to come through this.
Looks like we have a question from Manuel. But yeah, maybe let's let's make this the last question and then we'll let Ben go. Yeah, take away, Manuel. Hey, hey guys. Hey guys. Yeah, happy happy to meet you again, Ben. I also saw that you attended one of the
space sessions with Forsyth Institute. Really great. And I didn't know that you also want to build a Dow out of life shape. I think if we are in Web 3, these whole community driven growth is also really critical, not only
to build a community and then to find ways how to monetize it in a way, but also to build your product out and have early adopters and some real life engagement there. And I want to offer to you that right now I'm collecting a lot of feedback from people who
are also work on space styles. We are like a group right now. It's like an unofficial space style incubator program. We have a pretty streamlined process of more than 40 tasks, how to build your community and how to secure the governance rights on-chain. Right now we explore
So, we're going to be exploring ways if we want to do this independently or spin this out as a MoonDow project so that MoonDow can also support new dows, new communities to thrive. We are focusing right now, mainly on earth observation data and astrobiology. And if you want to join there, feel free to ping me. I will just put you into the group.
also shout out to anyone interested here in the audience who wants to build his own own down. Let's let's let's work on this and make yeah it's thriving future while converging all these exponential tech that you just laid out before hopefully to solve all
the existential risk that we see on the horizon. But yeah, just an invitation, no question for you then. So yeah, feel free to join the group or jump right off. But I will give you now the stage to close it up guys.
Yeah, yeah, thanks very well and yeah, I'd love to know and I'm thinking about that Yeah, and I'm just thank you everyone for being here. Thanks for for everyone that's put so much into moon down and You know and all the interest and support that I've been
that this community has also given towards lifeship and excited to do this mission together, excited to do a first capsule together and have a moon now, have an actual mission to the moon and so with anyone that can
jump on board and add their DNA and you can do that through the MoonDowl website and then I think a big part of that goes to MoonDowl and yeah and if there's other ideas of we can put more data, we can put more, we're planning on putting the MoonDowl Constitution
here. But if there's other things that we want to look at as like a time capsule, go into the moon. If there's other things that you think can be meaningful and impactful and aligned with moon down mission, then we'd love to include them in this capsule. And then, yeah, it's exciting.
did about collaborative space movements and how we launched the Dow and how that comes in the future and would love to hear from everyone and love to continue the conversation if there's interest in being involved in all that.
And thanks Pablo for having me and excited to continue all the journey.
Yeah, thank you Ben. Thanks for joining us and give us your time. Yeah, this is a great conversation. I know Michi just jumped up. I think he has maybe something he wants to share right before we close up. Yeah, I just
of the other real quick shout out to Luigi for being the first person to go through the new onboarding process. If anyone will actually I just want to say go check out the new server guide it's at the top
of the channels list and the channels and roles feature there as well. That's where you can select your new language roles, where you can get your guild follower roles, and the server guide basically just has all the information you need about
the how to get onboarded and the new process which is way simpler and breaks down a lot of barriers. I'm very excited about it and I'll give a update on Wednesday at the Senate meeting with more details.
Thanks, Michi. The new onboarding flow is incredible. Michi has been able to basically take like a year and a half's worth of technical debt of like different roles and forms and flows that we have inside of
the community and then be able to streamline it all together into one main flow, which is very difficult. Over weeks worth of trying to untangle a bunch of different permissions inside of the discord
Yeah, like I've tried it. It's one of these exercises and just like banging your head into a wall. And certainly my white whale project had moved now. Yeah. All right, well,
I have a question to meet you. Sorry, just a quick question. So regarding tomorrow's onboarding call, am I correct that people have to sign up to onboarding call in advance? And how can I get information like if people will be on
that my onboard like on the onboarding content I'll have all I'll just giant how it works basically so basically the you can check out the onboarding call form in the server guide and when that's filled
then it creates a thread in Discord and you'll get notified about it if it's in the one that you're hosting basically. So you'll just get a notification directly in Discord and a thread.
All right, well, yeah, let's close this one up. Thanks everyone for joining. Thank you, Ben. And yeah, thanks everyone for the questions. Yep, we'll see you in the in the discord. Well, thanks everyone. Thank you. All right. Bye bye.
FAQ on AMA with Lifeship Founder Ben Haldeman | MoonDAO Mondays | Twitter Space Recording
Where is the speaker located?
The speaker is located in San Diego, California.
What does the speaker want the audience to do with their pinned tweet?
The speaker wants the audience to like and retweet their pinned tweet to cultivate a larger audience.
What is the origin story behind LifeShip?
The speaker had previously worked on space-related projects and had a vision of life expanding across the universe. This led to the idea of LifeShip, which aims to preserve DNA of earth species and humanity on the moon as a backup copy of earth and take steps towards populating new worlds in the future.
What is one of the challenges in making the LifeShip bio bank message accessible to all beings?
One of the challenges is making the message understandable to beings who do not understand human language, but the project is partnering with other groups to find alternative methods such as encoding the information into synthetic DNA or 5D crystals.
What is the synthetic DNA technology?
Synthetic DNA is a technology that allows information to be stored in DNA, which can be used as a virtual program or language that can be understood by all life forms.
What is the 5D crystal technology used for?
The 5D crystal technology is used to etch super dense information into a crystal, creating a high-density message that can be accessed by anyone who finds it, provided they have the technology to decode it.
What is the speaker's interpretation of the movie Contact and how it relates to LifeShip?
The speaker sees the movie Contact as being similar to the LifeShip project in making contact with other beings. However, LifeShip aims to not only provide a record and archive of life on Earth but also a message from humanity to whoever receives it, spreading our knowledge, intelligence, and consciousness.
What is the main goal of LifeShip?
The main goal of LifeShip is to take steps towards how to populate life on new worlds in the future and how to add some redundancy to earth and life here today.
What is the main idea the speaker got from spending time in nature?
The speaker got the idea that part of the reason we are here is to create the seeds of Earth to spread life to the stars and to propagate life in the universe.
What are some possible ways that LifeShip could spread life in the universe?
Some possible ways include sending out seeds meant to grow life, storing information into synthetic DNA or 5D crystals, or taking bio banks on interstellar journeys or setting them up in space settlements in the future.