Hey, how's it going? Did you hear me? Yeah, with me, except everyone else.
- I'm clear. - Clear, yeah. - Yay, we have here Graham, Joe, Brian, and speakers.
I kind of liked that music that was going. If you want to do that again. I feel like some old spaces that wasn't that wasn't being played. I'm happy about it. Yeah, there's also a soundboard.
I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, he wants he wants not all that bad All sorts of fun stuff. How you doing, Graham? I'm getting ready to go back to Chicago for the holidays. It's gonna be a high of three degrees. I'm
told on Friday when I fly back. So that's perfect. Excited for that. Nice welcome home. How about how about you all? Just doing the doing the same old just family and fun and forced giving the normal the normal December.
That's the best. Yeah, exactly. All right, guys, I made you all co-host just in case if you need to travel, should anything, if you guys want to invite anyone, but
Yeah, I'm based in Miami Florida. It's really weird Christmas here, but you know what it is Right we have here at Graham from St. Edward
Yeah, let's give a minute to kick off. We were having some Twitter spaces problem and couldn't see like anything going on. So we're just going to give it one more minute.
it up here and then get going. >> That's good. >> Should we tweet that we had some technical problems and now we're back.
Yeah, give me like one second. I will do it.
I wonder if people are still having issues joining maybe.
Yeah, I did. The only way I was able to join was through the DM.
All right. But I see more people trickling. Yeah. Cool.
So initially I couldn't join and the only way I was able to join was through the DM message which is kind of great. All right, cool. We got some people joining it. We're just going to get started here in about 30 seconds to one minute and then
and kick it off with Graham from SAIT. Very excited to learn about SAIT and everything that's going on with your network. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to work with you all.
- Let me get these with us and see if we can get a few more folks in here. Hang on, very cool, very cool.
How was the morning guys?
So far so good. There were some green parrots that decided to pair backyard visit and eat our bird seed, which is exciting.
All right, just between it and let's see. All right.
By the way, Graham, if you're able to speak radio, would you say let's maybe start there? When did you start working at say, what's the journey? Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, thanks to everybody who's shown up here, can kind of provide a bit of a background on
myself. So my background mostly is in just like FinTech startups and joined the SAE team earlier this year. Basically help run all sorts of aspects of growth and partnerships with my number one focus at the moment being ecosystem development. So that's kind of
My background, and I will say it's been really, really cool to see the community take off and credit to folks like Alpha Growth. I've shown a lot of interest in what we're working on and what we're building. Learning about new projects and getting folks excited about say.
What's being built is probably my favorite part of my job. So yeah, thanks to everybody for joining here. I guess it would have been helpful for me to kind of just provide a high level overview of say and we're working on 100%. So what's the elevator pitch of say and if I'm from like a lot of our audiences developer,
and projects and different ecosystems. So just like, why what got you excited about say what's the elevator pitch of say and then kind of like, you know, what's your vision? Yeah, absolutely. So I guess, you know, from a high level, our focus is being a use case specific layer one, right? And so, if
I feel that one of the areas that has really found a true product market fit and all of crypto is the DEX. Given our legacy, the vast majority of our team coming over as developers from Robinhood, the Pine, the Sky Vision was, let's take Robinhood and put it on chain.
That's quite lofty, but over time we've iterated and really found a niche in building out what we're calling a use case specific chain, and like I said, that use case is defied. From a high level, I think we sought to take advantage of both the social coordination and
composability that you have with general-purpose layer ones, and then couple that with some of the customization that you would find with an app chain and explore this sort of middle ground for building an L1. And it's been really sweet to see a lot of teams find that particularly interesting.
And today we have between around 90 and 100 teams that have actually committed a building applications within the SAE ecosystem. And these are teams that are, you know, historically, have historically built in Salana, near Terra, Polkadot, other IBC ecosystem.
and others. So, you know, it's been really, really cool to see the community really take off and just all the, you know, new and exciting ideas that are being developed. Yeah, 100%. You actually, like, based on the X projects that you are mentioning, it's a very great pool of talent.
Yeah, absolutely. I think one thing that we've really been focused on as well as coming alongside teams in terms of our role as Sailabs and providing teams with the resources that they need to succeed. Examples of this are
We do have a say ecosystem in liquidity fund. I don't know if folks saw that, but we raised $50 million to be a part of that, which is basically just venture partners saying, "Hey, we're super excited about what you're all doing within the ecosystem. We want to be a part of that and contribute."
started taking advantage of that, which we're super fired up for. And then also on sort of like go to market front too, I think that's something that a lot of teams historically have struggled with and we want to be able to provide a framework for these teams to be able to succeed in
and truly build their own communities and really take off as part of the SAE ecosystem. So it's been really cool to see a lot of those teams start to take off. Cool. Just like Robin Hood promised free transactions forever and no transactions fees. You guys are going
the same right it say right? Yeah you know we're in the process of I'm all that out you know I don't want to make any promises but you know certainly I take a lot of inspiration from from Robin Hood and you know given our legacies a team that's definitely you know an organization we look up to quite a bit
We'll say I don't know. I don't want to make any promises. Yeah, totally. And I think one of the major things that they did is they had that invite list at the beginning that really blew up their network from the really they get go for their go to market. I think they had like almost close to a million people on their waiting list before they even launched. Every guys kind of take in some of those kind of
I think that's something that's helped separate us from a lot of other teams. I also think building in this sort of bare environment is something that's really important to us.
You're really forced to focus on just relentless community building. I think that that's something that we've really harped on a lot as a team. It's been surreal to see. I joined the team full-time in the spring. At the time we weren't even quite sure of what exactly we were doing.
building or what we were doing and we really spun up this community from nothing and completely organically. And I think what's been really inspiring is folks are super excited about what we're building and sort of the defy specific nature of say. And so I think
creating this ambassador program, right? It's called Atlantis, which you can find out more about on our site. I think that's been a tremendous way to get folks involved. We've done, you know, we've had NFT mints as well, test net NFTs that have really, really just taken off when
more than expected. I think for us there's been a very big focus on community building. I got to give credit to our marketing team. I think they've done a phenomenal job with it. They are truly some of the most incredible growth hackers that I've ever worked with in my experience.
Yeah, it's been a big focus for us for sure. I see. Graham actually let's also high level lots of questions from the community about like maintenance and stuff where you guys are at with like development and you know like where you guys at. Yeah, absolutely great question. So at this point, we're still shooting for a
They probably mid to late Q1 launch that's sort of our focus. We have a lot of stuff that we're still focused on, right? And a lot of things that we want to continue working on before launch. I think for us, we're still heads out focus on the ecosystem.
area that is a big focus of mine too, or just forming partnerships across the board with what I would call vendors, right? So we're working with several other folks to make sure that as many users as possible have access to say, to be able to use say and
just making sure that all of our ducks are in line for mainnet launch. Like I said, shooting for Q1 mid to late Q1 time frame for launch, but yeah, we're super excited. What kind of partnerships specifically you are focusing on? Obviously, go and mainnet and obviously
I think the biggest focus for us is on the ecosystem, right? So it's continuing to find exciting teams that want to
take advantage of Saison for structure. I think that's been a pretty compelling value prop for a lot of the DeFi teams that we've worked with. And they've responded well. And so I think for us in terms of partnerships, I mean, it's very much still focused on building up the ecosystem, finding new teams that want to dip into the ecosystem fund.
I think in talking with hundreds of these teams now, the priorities that they have are really figuring out how to crack, go to market, and so being able to help teams and build partnerships around that, I think liquidity provisioning is obviously a big hurdle that a lot of DeFi teams are trying to figure out as
well. And so being able to provide these teams with resources and allocating those properly from a partner's perspective is our number one focus. Yeah, liquidity is a surely thin right now in these current times. So in terms of that, like
I also heard a rumor that a bunch of different other Cosmos Network kind of chains invested in you guys. I'm curious on that. I'll answer the second part. I don't know the exact details of that.
In terms of like the other cosmic chains have invested in say, but you know, we are we're being advised by some who I would describe to be like cosmos or geez and so they've been you know tremendously helpful along the way in terms of just like you know helping us continue to drive forward our infra and from a community
building perspective and so been very fortunate to have folks like that on board and then on the liquidity side I mean I think for us you know we were fortunate to have GSR, HRT, flow traders, folks like that on our cap table and so you know the little couple.
Exactly. The little ones. Yeah, but I mean it's been cool to see some of the connections come from that and then also a lot of the folks in our team coming from trackside backgrounds including one individual who actually came from a market maker and so being able to tap into that sort of role of decks has been super valuable for a lot of the teams that we've been working with.
So in terms of like as you launch it seems like this is very I'm getting this feeling there the sense that say is becoming a very DeFi heavy Dex heavy Are you guys but for a lot of the retail people out there are that are on here are you guys planning any like air drops or rewards for early use
Is there any plans to announce anything like that? Yeah, absolutely. So in terms of rewards for early users, we've allocated a significant portion of our token supplied to testnet rewards. So basically that's just like trying to get folks to use us during our testnet phase. Again, we are currently in testnet where
about to be launching another phase of our testnet, which we're calling Atlantic 2. And so you can find, again, more information about this on our site, on our Twitter page. But yeah, I mean, in terms of the rewards, I mean, that's something that, you know, we've definitely placed a priority upon
on. And then I think, you know, going forward, we are still in the works of ironing out exactly what the air drop is going to look like, but that'll definitely be part of our plan as well. Got it. So basically, I'm just on your website. In order for me to be a part of the air drop, I would need to claim
the same name and test as in the fatigue correct. Part of it, there's definitely other folks that will be air dropping too but that's definitely one way to get a ball. Just release all the other players. Yes please. Hey you know that wouldn't be fair. I can't
I can't do that. I can't do that. Not yet anyway. But no, these are good questions. And I know these are these are questions that we've gotten from the community and just rest assured we are you know ironing all this out. You know, really excited to see the steak off. So for sure. Yeah. I will say like in general, really excited to see new models for air drops.
that we haven't seen in like 2021-2022. Because we're not as effective, which is fine, we're as an industry experimenting, but I'm really, really excited to see when you guys want your eardrop and announcement to check it out. Maybe you guys are going to be the next example for DeFi layer once.
in terms of ear drops and do it sustainably. We're also working with a few partners on that front as well and so it's been really cool to see sort of like what the capabilities are on that front and just how much progress has been made. So yeah very excited to sort of see that takeoff. Yeah and I personally curious and I was
as an alpha growth, as we work with a bunch of ecosystems to help them scale through their grants programs and the funds. So I'm excited to hear about with your 15 million ecosystem fund, which you kind of like leaning towards, it's more of a DC arm. How do you guys get started? Like I'm
developer founder, let's say, how do I get a portion of that? How do I get started with the grant? Yeah, absolutely. Great question. So first things first is like reach out to us. So I mean, whether that's me, whether that's on our Twitter account, whatever's easiest for you, we also do have a
form on our site and on our Twitter page that you can fill out for this ecosystem program. But essentially what it looks like is we'll have a chat and then we need three things from folks who are interested. We need a deck that we can easily forward to our venture partners. We need some sort of
documentation. So some combination of those two things. And then the biggest thing is we need some sort of MVP within our test end environment. So we need to see that you are committed to the SAE ecosystem. You're committed to building with us. And we need to see some sort of building going on within the test end environment.
So there's details on all of that on Twitter and then on our site. But yeah, those are sort of the three things that we look for and then, you know, so the case to case basis in terms of like how much the team would be allocated funding is like milestone based like how do you guys help with like actual
like funding for the teams? Yeah, it's definitely case by case. It just kind of depends on the team that's building what they're building. But yeah, I guess the best way to think is very much just like case by case, we don't have any sort of like standard packages that we're offering teams at this point. Yeah, so look
It's a little bit down. You have this big fund. We work with a lot of different ecosystems. Obviously teams are super important, but if you had a short rank, what really in your mind moves the needle, is it new and new? Is it TVL? Is it the ability to get wallets and users? Is it transaction volume?
like specifically what do you think that your like if you had to like sort rank it what do you think say it's most interested it yeah I mean I would say there's a few areas and you touched on you touched on a lot of them I think you know number one for us and again I think you know there's a few of us on the team who might think a little bit differently about this stuff but yeah we know what I'm
I think a compelling strong founders who are really committed to the SA ecosystem have done their research and they've come to us with a really, really new and exciting idea. I think that is probably number one, top of mind, in terms of how we
consider folks for the fund. And then number two, we like to see action. So if you have a community that you're building or that you're fostering, or you've started to deploy contracts in our test men environment, we like to see folks that want to move quickly, that want to move with us, and that are committed to the ecosystem. So I would say,
founders, compelling ideas, and then any sort of action that you all can showcase that demonstrates involvement within the ecosystem or within your own community because ultimately it's incumbent on us to grow the community. And so anyway, we think that folks will be able to
Do that, you know, we're all for it. Yeah, cool. I think there's a couple more questions on this and then we're probably opening up to the community for like Q&A. So quick, quick hit. A lot of developers on this call a lot of projects that we're going to blast us out to like about 800, 900 different projects. Are you guys EVM compatible?
So great question. So question that we've got gotten quite a bit. In short, we are not yet, but that is certainly something that is on our roadmap. We're probably looking at early Q2 for that. So it's a request we've gotten a bunch and yeah, we're excited to actually roll that out. So I started for making you a
a little, a little hands you on that question. All right. So Cosmos based, right? Like, is that, you know, rust based or go based from the level of tech that you're building? Yeah, rust. It's it's the contract. Sorry, Cosmos and rust. Yep. Got it. Got it. So rust based contracts. And then do you
expect a lot of people to port their existing contracts over the rest, then they're coming from EVM or do you think that you will get net new developers or more developers coming into the Cosmos ecosystem? If you had to take a guess or a weighted guess, how much do you think are going to be porting versus new new?
Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, I think, and I'll speak to sort of what we've seen so far. I think the vast majority of the teams that are building with us have, I mean, we have several like native say teams, but you know, teams that are coming from Salona, from near, from Polkadot, you know, it's, you know, they've been
like say, even though you might like the tag, you might like the opportunity, we're in test that we haven't gone live yet. And so I think a lot of teams are sort of still in waiting in terms of, all right, so when they go live, then we'll be able to capture an existing user base and also just as developers are constantly
What's sort of like the ROI of deploying on a new chain and importing contract can be a bit of a lift. And so I'm aware why we want to make that as easy as possible, but number two, we totally understand wanting a way to do that until it's a bit easier. So when you're talking to these guys in these projects or
You say, "Hey, I want people that are very committed to say, what are you hearing back from the community? What are you guys telling these developers on why I say fundamentally?" You guys got a good team backed by Robin Hood. You have a good strategy. We're going to do Cosmos DeFi Chain, very cool concept.
But what do you think is bringing these guys over the edge? Yeah, absolutely. Great question. I mean, I think like, so there's one thing that comes in mind actually. It's a, it's called cargo, K-A-R-G-O on Twitter. And they're building this like layer 1.5. They're calling it
that predictions, markets, sort of, infra on top of say. And so I think what's been super compelling for a lot of these teams is number one, it's the ability, especially for younger founders, to have that go to market. So it's assisting with content. It's like spinning up a Twitter account. It's getting these teams off the ground.
up and running. There's no shortage of ideas and great ideas. It can be challenging to execute. For a lot of these teams, that's super, super compelling. But also, the opportunity to, because, say, is an ecosystem. We have all these different teams that are building within the ECO. I think there's some compelling
that sort of will serve as like abstraction layers atop some of the the Dex's that are building within say and so that's sort of what cargo sought to capitalize on and again at superimpressor this team You know really really strong individuals who are building building out cargo But I think they saw the opportunity to sort of
to build a mini ecosystem within SAID and sort of being the hub for predictions markets, for example, within SAID is something that really resonated with them. And I think that ultimately kind of brought them over the finish line and decided to help them decide to make SAID their native ecosystem.
Cool before before we open it up It seems really compelling like you guys have like a lot of partnerships a lot of liquidity like a lot of a lot of plays going on before we open up the questions I to I got two last questions one. What's your biggest Need or process?
right now and like if you know somebody on the phone could help you sourcing something that you need, what do you think your biggest like roadblock or problem or something that this community at large could help you with? Yeah absolutely I mean I think you know our number one focus and like if you don't hear anything
Here this our number one focus is bringing new teams into the ecosystem. You know, we really do believe that a layer one is only as strong as its developer community and so for us I mean that is like by far our chief priority so if you have an idea if you have a
You know a project that you're working on if you have a team you're looking for a home ecosystem that's like really going to take care of you You know we are the place for that and so I think you know for us just any teams that have compelling ideas in in DeFi I mean that is that would be For us the biggest value
you add at this point. So you got you guys want the new new the new hotness the new hot sauce exactly got it very cool cool what question do you wish we would have asked you? Ah it's a good question I think you guys covered everything really um
Yeah, no, this is good. This has been great. Cool. All right, so we're going to start inviting people up to the stage and have questions and take it from there.
Sure, I just accepted NING. So whenever you have access to speak, please do. But guys, please request to speak and I will make you a speaker so you can ask your questions.
Let me see what other questions I might have in the comments. Let's tackle the bear question. A lot of people have been bearish and skeptic about DeFi. I have family members called
me up that know that I'm in this space and they're like, "Are you okay?" And I'm like, "Eh, I'm better before." But, you know, I'm okay. Thanks for asking. But in terms of, you know, joining this new chain, this new team and DeFi specifically, what keeps you bullish, like what keeps
you going, what do you, and then, you know, just anecdotal opinion, when's the bear, when we back in the bull and away from the bear? Yeah, I mean, great question. It's funny, my family is asking me all the same things. So, I
I think that the best part about this, and again, I know it's been challenging for a lot of folks, but I think that what I've seen is the folks that are really built, the folks that are still here, the folks that have stuck it out, and the folks that are building in the space right now, these are the ones that are around to stay. I think a lot of the
I don't know, a lot of the other crazy stuff has gotten washed out in the industry. If you're not really committed to building, it's going to be really, really challenging to stick it out through the market that we're in. I think number one, that component is
I think the quality of the project that I've spoken to since all of the craziness erupted about a month and a half ago, I would say that significantly higher quality in terms of the projects that we've spoken to, which I think is cool. And then I would say for us,
being able to focus on just continuing to boost our ecosystem. I mean, that's been something that has kept me excited as well. And then in terms of like one it's gonna be over, I mean, I don't know, man. I have no idea, but I think for us, we're just really heads down focused on
continuing to build, which I think most of the folks that we've been working with are also aligned to. Yeah, actually on this moment, by the way, I do have one speaker just join us, but just wanted to touch on this. We definitely also, as AlphaGo with we saw a much better conversion in bound of people who apply for
grants. And I don't know, Graham is, you know, or not, but, you know, sorry, we accept, you know, like submissions to any like to lots of ecosystems, also just to like our partner ecosystems. And we definitely see better teams, stronger teams applying because like I've been more targeted. So I see less people applying
for all grants and actually they are more deliberate with their choices. So yeah, I mean like definitely it's a purge season but you know like builders gonna stay and build more but by the way I have Kari sorry I don't want to like mispronounce your name so if you're ready to speak please the floor is yours for questions
Cool. All right. Well, that's going.
He's on me and he's at on me and himself.
Yeah, I would say, you know, we're tracking around 25 April last year. We were tracking 25,000 crypto projects and you know the website died of about 4,000 of them. And back in April, we were seeing around 1200 new Web 3 and crypto projects through our data mining.
every single month and right now it's a little over 600 so just the quantity of projects in this space you know that we're seeing it's about half than it was like five months ago six months ago so it's it's cool the quality is much higher there's a lot more annoying
a lot of copypots to projects, a lot of NFT projects that are just kind of like, you know, phoned it in, not really like diving down into utility and like a bunch of like forks. Like, sometimes not even changing the design of the front end, like they'll change like one pixel hue on the CSS and they're like, hey,
We look what we did so innovative. It's like pretty wild. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I also think like coming out of this too, I mean, if folks actually do the research, like it mixes you for the case for new five versus centralized exchanges, right? And so I think it's incumbent on us, yeah, I'd focus
folks who are in the space, folks have a platform to communicate the benefits of DeFi and being transparent seeing what not. And so I think that's also going to be a massive focus for us. But I guess the other thing is too, we're getting attention.
the whole industry is getting attention. It might be pretty bad press at the moment, but I think folks are talking about what's going on in the crypto space. Ultimately, even though it sucks in the moment, I think longer term, this had to happen and will be all better on
for it in the longer term. Yeah, it's weird. I was, let's do a podcast with an FBI agent that helped take down the Silk Road and he said all of the press of taking down the Silk Road completely spiked the activity of the tour network and people going on to start net and then, you know,
All news is good news or whatever, all press is good press. The SPF obviously fraud has been arrested now and everything like that. But DeFi is the real winner in this. DeFi systems weren't able to be manipulated, weren't able to be taken down.
and I think it's like phenomenal. I live in the Fairfax County area in just last month, Fairfax County Public Pension Fund and made their first DeFi investment ever. So we are like early early in terms of like massive adoption of this space and it's just
It's just exciting for my that keeps me bullish on the whole thing. I think we all said we were also seeing like these massive partnerships from institutions as well. I mean, I don't know if you all saw Visa the other day, but there's just like a lot of what was with Visa there were there was some and again forgive me it was something to do with like payments of every
structure is something they were putting on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, but, but stuff like that. I mean, we're, we're going to start seeing a lot more of that. Um, and I think it gives, uh, you know, folks like us an opportunity to, um, you know, kind of jump into the limelight with some of these bigger, bigger organizations. So, all right. Six months.
12 months, 5 years, your choice on how to answer this question. What will say be known for? Let's choose the 5 year route. I think like down the line if we're successful in building what we're out to build. I mean the vast majority of DeFi trading will take place on
set. And that's, it's a lot to accomplish. But I think, you know, for us, there are several steps along the way and things we kind of have to push through. But I think, you know, as a team, what I've seen from, you know, the
But then also the community, it's that they're super excited about this. And so for us, I think, you know, say has, say, set up for success. There's the opportunity to really be that infrastructure component for trading on chain. And so, you know, we just have to continue to build that out, grow the community
get folks excited. It's organizations like you all have an alpha growth that help communicate this to their communities and you know we're excited to see that happen. So yeah hopefully in the next five years we'll be able to take off. Cool. I'm going
And do a last call for speakers if you guys, anybody out there wants to ask a question, come on up and got another question while we're going with that. What, either personally or as an organization, what were the biggest mistakes or lessons that you've learned along the way on this journey?
Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, I would say personally, I think one thing that's really, really important is being able to adjust your working style and then also your approach, because I mean, my focus is, again,
External relationships, right? And so coming from sort of like the Fintech SaaS world, it's a very different style of working and use different mediums and different tools, right? I mean, the vast majority of the work that we do in this space takes place on
on Discord and Telegram on Twitter, right? Whereas, you know, the Web 2 world, a lot of it happens over email, over the phone, stuff like that. And so I think, you know, being able to adjust to that and being nimble, I think, you know, that's something that
Our team has learned how to do quite well. I think there's quite a steep learning curve early on, but being able to adjust and relate to folks and really understanding industry is something that we've really grown as a team.
Yeah, there's a lot of like primitives of how to launch companies and how to run crypto companies that have there's no playbook right a lot of one of the things that I that I say to like a lot of startups and especially projects coming in crypto is like imagine you had the first car on the roads like you know what laws were you breaking? There's like
Exactly. You have to be a good citizen and you have to reinvent everything. Traffic lights to roads, to road construction and infrastructure. I think we're really in that road and infrastructure phase where we're just getting started. Cool. Here's a car, but there's not enough on ramps and off ramps where
even the terminology that we use in this space has a lot to do with driving in highways. That's one of the most fun parts about it. It's like starting being in that first early adopter group, getting to break things and figure things out and grow from that.
Definitely. I got one more question. I'll call it the grandma question. When is your grandma or anybody's grandma going to start using crypto? I don't know. Honestly, the sooner that we can figure out a succinct and effective way of explaining, crypto
I think the better Opal Bay, it's funny over things giving. I was back home with my grandparents and my grandfather kept calling NFTs ETFs. I think there's a baby steps, right? There's a difference here.
explaining what that was. Take the time to explain to folks to know what we're working on. I think that's super, super important. It can be a lot of work, but we've got to have patience and understand that until our grandparents can
figure out how to use this stuff like, you know, we still have a lot of work to do. So yeah, yeah, mine's gonna pick up a knife on first before I think we can't to that point. Yeah, yeah, sure. All right, so to kind of like look back on today's conversation, say, it's a cause, a cause most
Cosm wasm, Rust-based development, looking towards the future on EVM. You guys are really fast. You're focusing on DeFi and DeFi primitives and you're looking for the new new and the DeFi hotness from Rust-based projects and protocol developers. You have a $50 million
ecosystem anywhere from like 80 to 100 dApps that you kind of have lined up you have some really big liquidity players like GSR some market maker backed you're backed by a lot of the other OGs in the cosmos ecosystem and you're building something really cool anything else that you want to do
How do people reach out when you want them to do the next steps before we sign off? Yeah, absolutely. I think you sound really well. If you're interested in learning about say, building on say, anything to do with say, reach out to me, DM me on Twitter, and tell me your name.
And I guess maybe over to you, I can send some information on exactly how to get involved with the fun that folks are interested in building Brian or John. And then we can sort of disperse that across the community. But yeah, feel free to just reach out to me directly.
I'm more than happy to have any conversations, answer questions, etc. So yeah, after this call, we're going to start opening up and you know, do a recap on this and then start opening up to people on our platform to start applying to say and see kind of what we get and what we can bring you and I know we'll get some inbound requests based upon this and
And after we kind of wrap this up, throw it up on YouTube, we'll throw a recording on YouTube and then blast it out to the community. I think we should help push some interest up there for you. Awesome. Yeah, sounds good. Really appreciate it, guys. Very cool. Thanks for your time. Thank you, everyone. Take care.