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Angel Hour with Ai-Mi
Recorded: April 17, 2025 Duration: 1:05:19Space Recording
Short Summary
Amy is set to revolutionize the Web3 landscape with its upcoming launch, introducing a unique marketplace for tokenizing knowledge and creativity. The project is backed by significant funding and strategic partnerships, positioning it as a key player in the integration of AI and blockchain technology.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next episode. Music Wait a minute.
When did they remix
whole music here?
Is that new?
Since when is there like a beat?
I have no idea, but it sounds really good.
Did you see that? I was like, was there a drop? What's happened?
I thought I thought it was, it was you.
I wish it was me. I wish I was that clever, but it wasn't. I was like, okay.
Okay. Is there a beat? Holy crap.
That was exciting yeah and i interrupted it great good for me ruined the vibe
whatever um anyway hi guys good morning this is dyla behind the abstract angels account abstract
angels be the official women's community uh group um for abstract um be sure to like and repost the
space share it with your friends, your enemies,
your neighbors, random strangers on the street, so we can all listen. And I need to,
how do you pronounce it? Is it A-I-me? Is it I-me? Because we had a whole crisis yesterday
of not being able to pronounce it properly, so clear me up before I screw it up for hours.
Well, internally for us, we've always called it Amy, almost like the name, A-M-Y.
I don't know, does A-I-Me have more of a ring to it, or does Amy have a better ring to it?
I like Amy.
I do too. I feel like it's a little bit more humanized, if that makes sense.
But in short, yeah, we do call Amy and we have
so far to date. We've been a little bit quiet, so don't blame you for having this crisis.
Okay, good. Because I do have a habit of, you know, when you know somebody in the space for a
while and you've only really spoken in chats, but you can know them for years, but have never had
to say their name out loud. Yeah. Yeah, I have that crisis.
So it's just like, okay, yeah, I could see this and I can know the brand,
but then you have to say it out loud and you're like, shit,
I've never said it out loud.
And I have that issue with my own name because my name is Dyla
and nobody ever really knows how to say it.
It's Dahlia, Delilah, whatever.
But it can happen with people I've known for three, almost four years now.
And it never, I don't know.
I think it's just kind of like one of those Web3 things.
But yeah, we'll give it, oh, no, it's 11.05.
We'll get started now.
Screw it.
I usually like to give it a couple minutes to get started and invite people to the space.
But okay, so why don't you give us a quick TLDR of Amy
and yeah, then we'll get to start with some questions.
Yeah, I think maybe first let me introduce myself
and thank you so much to the Abstract Angels team
for putting this lovely space together.
It's honestly my first space in what is maybe a year or so.
So it's nice to kind of come back. We've been quite busy
building a lot of different things, of course, landing on to where we are now with Amy. But yeah,
nice to meet everyone here as well as the wider community. My name is Kevin. I'm tuning in from
Sydney, Australia, actually. So it's 1am for us here and for half of our team. That being said,
I've been in the web3 space for eight years now.
So I think once we hit May, it will be my eighth year in the space.
I started off as a founder.
I built Helios Network, which is the first recurring payments protocol on Ethereum.
Since then, I have spent a lot of my time, not only now as a second-time founder,
investing, but also building as an operator
for a middleware team, which I spent three years, 2019 to 2022, with a team called Band
Protocol.
So for us, really, one is a pleasure to introduce myself to everyone here.
Not only that, but I'm excited to share what we're doing on Abstract as well as with Amy.
So in short, really, the one-liner is Amy, we're building the world's
first web3 marketplace and agent builder where anyone could tokenize their knowledge, personality,
creativity or social data set as well. That being said, for us we look at AI as a very interesting
time right now especially when it intersects with Web3. I think maybe a good point
of reference here in terms of one of the most critical breakthroughs that general purpose AIs
have solved recently is image generation. Probably put your hands up if anyone here,
and I'm quite sure everyone here has used it, but like the chat GPT image generation,
it's left a lot of gaps in, I guess, people's minds, right? With AI advancing so rapidly,
our ordinary people, everyday people like myself,
are we being left out of this value creation?
Amy is here to be able to not only empower the people
that essentially build and train these AIs,
but to also democratize ownership as well.
And we're really happy to do this on our home abstract.
Okay, so that's pretty awesome. to democratize ownership as well and we're really happy to do this on our home abstract.
Okay, so that's pretty awesome. So you're saying tokenize things like what like memes like clear that up for me because I think I'm a little squirrely on what exactly that would mean.
So let me give you maybe five very clear examples of how you'd be able to use Amy's when we do
launch and I'll probably start with this first
we are going to be launching this month in stealth we're doing this just to make sure that we do
fix any bugs that do come through but publicly early May we will be kind of having this a little
bit more opened up but that being said I guess when it comes to AI agents, let's say, there are two key types of agents that we've defined in our ecosystem.
The first one is IP agents.
So for short, that would be intellectual property agents where let's say you're using maybe your own knowledge and specific skill sets, maybe even your social data sets.
even your social data sets, say for example your ex, right? You could create IP agents which would
Say, for example, your ex, right?
fall into the branch of maybe let's say a community Amy that represents community online.
Online communities like Abstract Angels for example, we could bring you to life. Maybe it
could be for DAOs, could be for fandoms going down the road now. We could also be memetic
Amy's as well. So meme Amy's where it would be pure entertainment value,
where characters kind of captivate through humor, cultural relevance, not only that,
but let's say a third example of IP agents. If anyone here's familiar with Characters.ai,
very addictive app, by the way, so try it out, but don't get too intertwined of it. I know a fair
few people that have got lost into the world of characters AI,
but really what characters AI do is, as the name suggests, they create characters.
These characters could be kind of replicas of non-fictional characters or maybe fictional ones.
So if anyone watches Supernatural, the one that I talk to is, embarrassingly, Dean Winchester.
It could be for things like, for example, companionship or just
pure entertainment value. Without boring you too much, let me quickly go into MCP agents. This is
where it gets a little bit more transactional in terms of having a Web3 AR agent. MCP agents are
essentially what we build to be able to have the functionality to interact with on-chain
smart contracts, execute transactions, and we're doing this with already a fair few dApps on
abstract. So while we haven't announced it just yet, but let's say think of your favorite abstract
app right now. If you could just at the glance of your phone, maybe even a web browser, our PWA app,
our iOS app, if you could just ask a specific browser, our PWA app, our iOS app.
If you could just ask a specific agent, let's say it could be Newt,
because we've already publicly announced Newt.
Let's say you want to purchase the Newt tokens,
or let's say you want to do something with the Newt tokens.
You'd be able to do that directly by interacting with our MCP agents.
So in short, AIMIs, for us as a team,
we provide what would be a sandbox environment for anyone to not just be able to build these AIME's, but also at the same time, be able to market them
as well. And for us, the one thing that we do want to see is we want to make sure that AIME's, in
terms of how we fit into the abstract space, is not only do we, number one, bring the vibes. So
this could be through a lot of the IP agents, the meme agents, community agents,
but also we do help bolster up the entire ecosystem,
of course, through our MCP agents,
where it would then help interact with different dApps on the space.
Does that give you a little bit of a more specific idea
in terms of what Amy could do or any Amy could do?
Yeah, so a person can create these different AI agents
basically based on whatever they want to do in Web3,
whether they want to be launching like an NFT project,
whether they want to create user tools that they can,
I guess, like white label and sell to other projects?
Correct.
So that's what we do want to solve.
I guess for us, right,
when we look at, let's say, NFT projects, I love that you brought this up because one of our really good partners is Newt, Newt on Abstract, that is. And a quick shout out to them because
they've been quite lovely to work with. For us, we're building what would be a community
slash meme Amy with them and this is essentially having
bringing newt to life and if i didn't mention before Amy is multimodal what that means is
Amy's can you can interact with them not only on text but also voice almost as if you were on a
call and eventually down the line video as well we're bringing newt to life to not only represent
their community as a whole but also at the same time to bring personality as well, we're bringing Newt to life to not only represent their community as a whole,
but also at the same time to bring personality as well as knowledge of what Newt does,
what Newt can do, what Newt is working on to not only the existing Newt holders at this point in
time, but also the future ones to come. At the end of the day, I think for us, we look at AI,
especially in the context of Amy, as perhaps one of the greatest
equalizers of AI, where at the same time right now, most of the AI value capture is held in
perhaps probably the largest corporations in the world. A lot of people, artists, devs, designers
right now don't exactly know how to best, let's say, encapsulate the intellectual property, their specific
knowledge that they've worked their entire life from schooling to higher level studies
to work to now, okay, apparently you can just go on to ChatGPT and it'll just dev for me.
Going even more specific or cursor or lovable.dev. For us, we think every human brings
specific knowledge into what AI could do.
For us, if we are able to unlock this,
to connect those two dots,
I think I can probably go home and say,
hey, this is a job well done.
But in short, yeah, I think you have probably,
you're starting to get the right idea of what
Amy could do while it is quite broad at the moment.
So there's been a trend in the wall, I mean, overall of things like vibe coding.
How does Amy differ from something like vibe coding? How does it streamline that whole process?
Because you said Amy can work on like voice prompts as well.
Correct. So imagine if your vibes weren't just in text, but you could also speak,
communicate your vibes via voice. That's in one part. But I think the bigger part in terms of what Amy offers that any other platform out there doesn't, let's say for the ones that are quote unquote vibe coding, is again, we're building in the realm of Web3 has to offer is something that no other space does, which is it is not only an equalizer, but it is also perhaps one of the great financialization aspects in the sense that, let's say you are someone who has built many, many dApps in Web3 and you have your own processes, you have your own systems.
You box this up into an Amy, let's call it Dev Amy. Dev Amy, of course, is backed by a tradable token. This token, let's call it a Dev
token. And Dev token would then be not only the currency, the skin in the game for the creator,
but also those who want to essentially back this Amy from early days. But at the same time,
also the common currency
that people use to actually pay for these inference costs, inference costs being the usage of these
Amy's. So in short, we have very thoroughly and also very carefully designed the tokenomics system
where we don't only incentivize people to create great Amy's, but we also continuously
incentivize them to evolve with Amy, to continuously
train it over time. And of course, what that means and where the upside comes in for not
only the creator, but also maybe the speculators as well of, let's say, real up and coming
Amy is of course backed through the tradable token, which is for us, I think is one of
the beauties of building a Web3 where everything is open, everything is permissionless,
and not only that, but it also democratizes
not only value capture, but also ownership again.
Not only ownership towards the creator,
but also a wider group of people who may be interested
in a specific, let's say topic.
Yeah, so one of the hurdles that I've noticed
in working with Web3 and seeing different projects launch is there are a lot of times where it's difficult to find can kind of fill in those gaps for a team so that, you know, like, like I said, it's very difficult to, to build a,
especially from scratch, especially when a project doesn't really have the capital to begin with to
hire all this big talent. Could Amy possibly like fill in those gaps for these projects so that they
have a skilled tool to be kind of able to, like I said, fill in those
gaps for them? I think that is, you've probably just encapsulated my dream of what Amy could do
in the future. The one thing that I have to be is I have to be very realistic. I have to be realistic
in the sense that, hey, AI Web 3 is right now still quite an ascent. We've probably had our first wave of AI crypto not only go up, but also go down.
Now is kind of really the time for innovation. And when people do innovate, naturally,
humans are quite resistant to change, right? It's very hard to say, hey, look, guys,
I've brought in my professor from university or college, and hey, he's built an Amy.
Not only that, it does a better job than cursor or lovable AI tooling.
People aren't going to bite.
I have to be quite honest about that.
So for us, I love that you brought this up
because it's probably a good time to mention
what we're trying to do to actually break out into the market
when we do launch in May.
One of the ways that we are focusing around is leveraging social data sets. So when we do launch in May. One of the ways that we are focusing around
is leveraging social data sets.
So when we do launch in May,
I think the first step is to show people
how radically simple it is to actually create an Amy.
So at launch, what we actually will enable
and gas sponsor as well is one-click deployment
using your Twitter data.
So given your abstract global wallet,
not only that, but also connecting your Twitter data. So given your abstract global wallet, not only that,
but also connecting your Twitter, you can actually then generate an Amy that could just maybe capture
your personality, or at least the one that you put on to X, or you could alter it a little bit.
So for us, we do bring in, and our background has been in SocialFi, we do bring in a SocialFi
element to this, a little bit of a twist, if you say, just to kind of let people know, at least in the beginning days, the first
three months or so during the course of our beta, to show people how easy it is. And then
we slowly start to stagger on, okay, hey, one, you've already created an Amy that uses
your social data sets, public data sets. Let's now start to bring in private datasets,
your own specific knowledge. Maybe you could be, let's say, a crypto trader. You
could actually funnel and disseminate information, let's say, on maybe
particular signals, maybe new projects coming out through your Amy into your
wider community that interacts with the text or voice or whatever that may be.
So for us really to go back to the
question, I do want to wake up one day, one, two, three, five, even 10 years down the line
to see that, hey, people are actually finding out that Amy is a way for me to be able to package
not only my specific data set, but to also help fill in, like you mentioned, those skill gaps that
teams, individuals, anyone has in their
life. I can even go very broad. While we will start maybe with crypto trading, more meme-sided
things to kind of break out into the market, I'd love to see one day where someone creates,
for example, a nutrition-focused Amy, maybe from one of my favorite bodybuilders, for example,
because I don't know how to eat well. I know how to eat. I just don't know what to eat to be able to get the physique that I want. But yeah, I love
this question. I think even in Web3, there's this kind of looming fear that AI is going to replace
everything we can do, right? And mostly everybody here is looking for some kind of opportunity.
And when you're presented with AI, sometimes it can be like, oh my gosh, I almost don't
want this thing that can replace me.
But I feel like with what you're saying with Amy can do, it can take everything that I
have, the experience I've built, the knowledge that I have, and consolidate it in a way where
in a way where I can offer it in an efficient, effective way. Like I'm thinking of things like
I can offer it in an efficient, effective way.
I do a lot of, I do a lot of creative work, right. A lot of creative marketing.
That's sometimes difficult to coordinate and communicate to people. But if I can take that
and figure out a way with Amy to be able to core to like, I guess, um, collate all that information
to be able to put into like a comprehensive
like marketing plan or something.
That doesn't take any opportunity away from me.
It just optimizes my skills to be able to let me do more.
Is that kind of like the idea behind Amy?
Because like I said, I think people get intimidated with the idea, even in Web3, of AI just replacing
what they can do.
Bingo.
So for us, really, you've just kind of bottled exactly what we're trying to do
in terms of the longer vision to create a platform where intellectual capital,
creative expression become tradable and appreciating assets for anyone
and everyone to use.
And I guess the tricky part about this is, of course,
how do we make it not only easy for people to train these AIs,
but people to access them as well?
But you're completely on the ball there.
Yeah, so how will people be able to access it?
Now that you've gotten that ball rolling,
like say for instance, I'm interested,
I want to create an AIME agent,
what are my steps that are going to be once that launches?
So once this launches, the first thing that we will have in our beta is, of course, just letting people first and foremost be able to use and upload their, well, the River Connection on Twitter to use their Twitter to create an Amy of themselves.
this is kind of like think about it as kind of like tutorial if you want to
This is kind of like, think about it as kind of like tutorial, if you want to think about it that way.
think about it that way down the line as well we try to make this as simple as
possible where let's say if you have a specific specific writing on a
particular topic let's say the marketing plan or maybe some creative work that
you do we do have a master Amy her name is actually Amy as you may have seen on Twitter.
Sorry, what was that?
She's the Amy.
The Amy, you're right.
So the Amy, actually, we've created a master agent to be able to help people,
not only whatever data it is that they want to be able to use to train their own agent.
Maybe it's like a podcast, maybe it's their own voice recording, maybe it's a text document.
That AIME in itself would help train your very own AIME,
if that makes sense.
I know this is like AIME-ception at this point in time,
and an AIME conventions could be better.
But for us, we make it as simple as dragging a slider,
we make it as simple as drag and drop,
and if that doesn't really work,
then we do have an AIME to actually help out with that. And for us, it's something that I think I'm really
proud of to not only bring into the space and to let people kind of try and use when we do launch
in May, because this master Amy in itself, I think for us is, when it comes to disruption,
when it comes to be able to build something new to push the boundaries of innovation,
we do have to make it as easy as possible.
Otherwise, it's a little bit too much to swallow at first.
So if you want to use Amy and you want to build Amy, but you're not exactly sure how to, you have an Amy to teach somebody how to use Amy?
how to use Amy?
Correct.
And you could just dump everything that you have
and you want to be bottled up as Amy into the chat box
and it will just handle the rest for you.
That's pretty awesome, honestly.
Like, I'm trying to think of different applications.
Again, working in Web3, to me,
I found things like ChatGPT invaluable, right?
Like I use it regularly and like I did a tutorial not too long ago.
And while I can easily write one, you know, it'll take me a few hours where I can use ChatGPT to write the skeleton of it and I can clean it up and use it for myself.
me that is a tool that is more catered to the Web3 experience, it's kind of like a step
up in optimization in what we're using GPT for.
Would I be right in thinking that?
Because I feel like it just makes more sense to use something that's built for the Web3
experience.
I think in a sense, definitely in terms of the Web3 experience. One thing that ChatGPT can't do
at this point in time is, of course, interact with smart contracts as well as be able to execute
transactions for you. I don't look at AIME at any point in time to be able to replace and even beat
the standard that ChatGPT has set in terms of a general purpose platform. I think what we are as
a platform and what each AIME will be able to offer is a much more
personalized AI experience in a sense that if you want to really tap into, for example,
knowledge around creative work, then perhaps I would use the De La Amy, for example.
If I want to tap into, for example, let's say NFT or maybe more crypto trading related things, I would then go
to one of our investors, Amy Dingaling. Shout out to Dingaling for backing us a while back.
Amy provides what is a personalized Asian experience, a personalized Asian experience
catered to specific topics. This could be, again, you could even flick through different Amys. Let's
say one day, you know, I'm working on creative stuff, I use a daily one.
Oh, in my downtimes, in my demon hours, I'm probably buying shitcoins, I'm probably buying NFTs,
I'm probably using a different bunch of abstract apps that I can't really keep track of.
Then maybe perhaps I would use a more crypto Twitter specific influencer like Dingling.
At the same time for us, what we do provide is we provide the tools,
the toolkit for people to be able to create these personalized,
almost niche like Amy agents, such that when users come on,
there is a wide variety of Amys that they could interact with,
not only interact, but also utilize for real world functions,
which is interactive dApps, of course.
Okay, I'm liking this because myself, like most of Web3, I have ADHD.
So to be able to organize even the things that I can do in Web3
during the course of even a day can be a challenge.
So the idea of being able to kind of have this AI agent
that can help me kind of organize my own Web3 experiences is kind of badass, honestly.
Hey, it's me as well. So I think at the end of the day, really what Amy is, is something that
our team is building that we all wish that we had. And to kind of bring to life everything that we
wish we had, we have to kind of bring in
not only the right people to build these Amy's, but also people to actually first use these Amy's
as well. But I totally feel that I have quite severe tension conditions after eight years in
web theory. Yeah, they're not getting any better. Like you would think it's like, hey, I work in
tech and like I can hyper focus on this because hyper focus is Like, you would think it's like, hey, I work in tech, and I can hyper-focus on this,
because hyper-focus is the name of the game having ADHD.
But it doesn't get any neater.
The memes just get more demented as I've gone along.
But then again, there's also never dull day in Web3.
I think the hardest part about me is to be able to close my Telegram,
close my Twitter, so I can really leverage this hyper focus. And a lot of this hyper focus has kind of led into
what we have planned for our go-to-market campaign. We've teased it a little bit,
it's called the Amy Ascension. But in short, yeah, I think for us, it's coming up to be probably what
is hopefully the biggest month of our life. And maybe to share a little bit more on what the search and campaign is is for
us if no one really knows and I think I see a fair few familiar faces here our
before I pivot to Amy we were actually building the premiere the top social
five project on polygon and for us while socialFi didn't materialize in a way that we
liked, we tried a lot of different things, we learned from a lot of our mistakes. But then
again, it's kind of like a case where you don't want to forget where you came from. And of course
for us, SocialFi has always been a passion for us. The Ascension campaign is something that we're
doing and providing access to, beta access to a lot
of different abstract communities like abstract angels where you'll not only be
able to access our DAP when it first launches but also take part into what
would be something that we think is a very exciting gamified experience. It's
called the AIME ascension and this AIME ascension is essentially where think of it like how do I best say it's like a reward journey where we actually work through each user
as an individual from what would be let's say a beginner to someone that is
ascended throughout the AI ecosystem and throughout you know not only being able
to interact with these Amy's creating these Amy's maybe it's trading these
Amy's you're able to earn different AI amys creating these amys maybe it's trading these amys you're able to
earn different ai fragments and these fragments would then be able to be fused into orbs and of
course for us what that means is the higher orbs that you have the more amy tokens that you have
to qualify for our second round of airdrop and on the topic of airdrop i And on the topic of airdrop, I know there were a few questions around this. At first, there will be actually an initial airdrop to mostly catering around the abstract
ecosystem, which is 5% of our total token supply. And throughout this Amy Ascension campaign,
what we're looking to actually disseminate is between 15% and 20% of the total token supply.
And of course, for us, what this means is the session will run
throughout the entirety of our beta. So we estimate about like maybe three months. And what this
serves to do is for us, we aren't too much of a fan of, you know, the old low float, high fully
diluted playbook that a lot of teams did. Rather for us, we're trying to not only distribute a lot
of tokens out to the community, but in a way
where it kind of helps us be able to build Amy into exactly what you mentioned before,
the vision where people can actually not only encapsulate, monetize their own IP through AI
agents, but at the same time also be able to use it in a way which is not only organizational,
but also specific and catered towards a particular topic or niche that they're interested in that particular point in time.
Could be trading, could be fitness, could be nutrition, or could be companionship.
So yeah, this is something that we're looking forward to, especially coming with May, which is actually only two weeks away.
That's crazy that we're already to May. i don't know where this year has gone it really really
has like i feel like since mainnet launch it's been like i blinked and here we are a month later
um you had mentioned earlier some different partners um with amy where you've been trying
it out can you describe some of the amys that have been built and and how they've kind of like
you know been implemented in these projects?
Or is that something that's like top perfect?
I could probably share our very first...
This is a safe space.
I could probably share the very first Amy that we actually did and we demoed.
We actually created an Amy of Luca.
The same Luca, Pudgy PenguinsuinsLuca, AbstractLuca, LucaNets.
And how we did this was we actually used Luca's Twitter dataset
to be able to create a personality, create a rhetoric personality,
and also a conversational Luca that not only could interact with voice,
but also a voice Amy that could be integrated into Discord. So one of the very first
statements that we did was we actually had an Amy of Luca speak to us on
Discord and we actually ran this through the abstract team as well. That's
probably like a one part and this is a good example of maybe let's say if you
were to bring Newt to life which uh, one of our already announced partners.
Um, Newt being, for example, a penguin, giving penguin a cute voice, having the penguin or Newt specifically trained around the context of Newt, which is okay.
What Newt is about, um, who the team is, who's the team behind Newt, um, what are Newt's
goals?
Um, all of this again, uh again is something that we've already done,
something that we've already trialed. Maybe these two give you a good example in
terms of what more IP agent example would look like if I was going to an MCP
agent example. Let me have a quick think about what I could say right now and
it's kind of like in an awkward phase where you know we haven't launched this
yet and there's a lot coming up.
I really want to say everything,
but I can't really say everything.
Give me like maybe a couple moments,
like maybe 10 seconds to think about,
okay, what I can kind of share at the moment.
Yeah, no, I totally get that.
And honestly, like hearing the Luca thing,
like this is what I'm trying to get at
at the end of the day, right?
It's damn near impossible for me
to keep up with stuff like my DMs. Can I create a Dyla Amy that can help me consolidate my DMs?
Consolidate your DMs. This is really interesting. The one thing I have to be frank about is
the ways that we have created Amy is the Amy's that are created are designed to be able to serve
public interest. So if you were to create an Amy that kind of combs through your DMs,
and I totally feel this, by the way.
I have like 70 unread Telegram messages.
It's absolutely maddening.
So I am conscious.
Maybe this may not be the exact right use case for Amy,
because then again, it would have to access all your private data, wouldn't it?
And that's probably something you don't really want to share with other people.
So really how we frame Amy is Amy's are agentic AIs that generally serve a purpose for public interest or public demand.
In this case, we may have to make a private Amy for you.
Gotcha. You know what? That's all I needed to hear. Because, and this is why I'm
asking, I talked to a founder once who had kind of like built this tool, or was like kind of like
an auto reply for his DMs. And I was like, that's kind of interesting. But like, you know, I was
like, okay, well, what if somebody can take kind of a step further where it can kind of like, you know, it gets pinged when there's a certain kind of languages.
You know how it is where it's like, hey, bro, how are your trades going?
Like, what if I had something that kind of just like filtered through that crap so I could actually see the people who want to have a conversation kind of thing, you know?
have a conversation kind of thing, you know, not necessarily answer as me, but be able to kind of
weed through the things that aren't necessarily useful. But you're saying that would be like,
kind of like, have to provide private data and somebody have to be down to do that.
I guess the workaround of this is maybe what you and I could do after when we do launch is we can
actually create, it'll be kind of a fun side experiment,
is we could create maybe, let's say, an organization or Amy.
Let's just call it, give it a name.
Let's call it Dialer, right?
Dialer Amy.
While Dialer Amy is going to be essentially, again,
there's going to be a billion token supply of, let's say, Dialer,
Dialer token, and this dollar token it would be trading on a bonding curve up until a graduation
point which then marks that hey there is a wider amount of public interest to this dialer amy is
designed to be able to do exactly what you just said for you to be able to let's say connect let's
say your social profile or maybe even your telegram comb through the
entirety of your dms hundreds if not thousands and to let you know okay tldr this is what's going on
you should probably answer these first we could have that amy and then have dialer the real human
dialer be able to interact with this um that is definitely a potential uh get around that way your
public data won't just be like as part of the AIME training in itself.
I just thought about that.
That could be really cool.
Yeah, like I said,
the Web3 experience is so non-linear.
And like you said earlier,
there's no dull moment in Web3.
And I don't think even like,
you can't say, you know,
in six months from now,
exactly what you'll be doing because you don't know how the market's going to be.
You don't know what the space sentiment is going to be.
You don't know how necessarily you'll have to pivot and kind of readjust your plans to make sure you're fitting what consumer sentiment is.
I feel like just the general idea of people just having a tool that in any way kind of just helps them say, okay, this is something that can sort this kind of data for me or organize at least this point in Web3 so I know that here I'm not going to be losing my mind.
Exactly right. And I guess for us, really building Aimee, we've always taken a stance that, hey, we don't want to build this just initially, but to kind of get it off the ground, we build it as something that everyone collectively on our team wants to see in the world to be able to make a particular measurable impact. At the same time, as we start to launch, we do want to build this a lot closer with the communities that we are working with on abstract, the dApps, and also of course anyone and
everyone that uses Amy. So you could you'd probably be expecting to hear back from me a lot in terms
of feedback, but we could do some ideas to tinker around to see how far can we really push the
boundaries. And I can probably share something that I can probably share- If you can build something that's dialer-proof,
then you've hit gold there.
That's a billion dollar idea.
Gold's the only thing that we're looking for.
I'm sorry I interrupted you.
What were you saying?
No, no, no, that's okay.
I was just going to say, yeah, we've already started
to kind of hit the ground running with this.
So when we do launch, there is something there.
I think maybe
everyone here would everyone here would probably be familiar with a team called gacha
gachaverse hell yeah i've lost so much money to gacha are you helping them take my money
um unfortunately we can't build an amy get exactly your money back. But that being said, Gacha, I think, has probably brought in
what is something I consider to be vibes on Abstract.
And I could probably share a little bit earlier
that in terms of the work that we've done with Gacha,
which is also an amazing team to work with,
is we do have an MCP agent with Gacha that will be coming out
where you can interact with said agent to be able
to auto scratch cards. Auto scratch or even limit yourself that's it. So limit
yourself in terms of you know when people go to the casino and say hey don't
let me in for the next week or don't let me in for the next two weeks. For us like
we're bringing these capabilities that haven't been seen before, that dApps haven't seen before, that communities, meme coins, anything with essentially culture, personality.
And this includes, of course, dApps as well to life.
And this is something that we're really excited with.
And this kind of goes back to the point of if there's anything that I could share ahead of time, this is probably something that I'm more than happy to kind of leak out early.
anything that I could share ahead of time. This is probably something that I'm more than happy to
kind of leak out early. Yeah, I'm wondering if you could create an AI agent that once I spend a
certain amount of gotcha, just sends like a robot to my house to absolutely clothesline the shit out
of me to make me stop money on it. That's that's money right there. I think I think that that'd be
very valuable. I'd ape into that
hard oh now we're looking at the tri-intersection of not only ai crypto but also robotics now
um we probably have everything figured out other than getting the robot to clothesline you
and finding the robot first and foremost i mean i live not far from disney so i'm sure you could
like hijack something you know what i mean um but um i i
know that you we've talked a lot about like different projects and stuff but like for me i
keep on thinking of like even as a as as a basic user like how it can optimize a person's experience
just in being part of web3 would it be able to do something like kind of like consolidate and
give you an overview of like you know say like your nft bags and kind of help consolidate and give you an overview of like, you know, say like your NFT bags and kind of help you, help you forecast, you know,
would we be able to have AI agents like that?
I'm sitting here just brainstorming,
just trying to figure out the million ways that I could use Amy.
You can't spell dialer with it without AI. That's all I'm saying.
That is true. You can't. But yes, I think when it comes to AIMEs, it's think about
it while we do go to market, essentially pushing users to be able to create an AIME of themselves,
almost akin to like an AIME, having your wallet connections or even just sharing a wallet
address, you'd be able to not only monitor, let's say you are taking this very seriously,
you're communicating with the Luka AIME and you're communicating with the Luca Amy
and you're communicating with the Luca Amy to be able to let's say get a little
bit of advice not investment advice of course not advice on your NFT portfolio
how's it going what should I be looking for is there anything still coming up
for these poor NFTs that are now illiquid and almost zero
in my portfolio i'm speaking for myself here that is definitely possible if you do want to also use
uh maybe this wallet data as wallet address which essentially would all be public and you would be
the one putting your wallet into said amy interactions you could also be into one that just absolutely makes a mocking of you.
Maybe it could be Newt that actually has no real critical thoughts on your NFT portfolio. Definitely
not its specific category, but it would probably just return you Newt or even perhaps Appstar.
So all of these are definitely doable. Whether you take it seriously or whether you take it humorously.
I think when it comes to Amy,
we're going to get a lot more light into how a lot of people use Amy's,
not only how they use it,
but also like the different type of Amy's that are also popular,
especially with our target market, which of course is Web3.
Something that we don't really know just yet,
but I think for us, my reservation at this
point in time is there's going to be a fair few memetic Amy's as well as socially backed Amy's.
So ones where people actually do kind of look at this as almost like a social five project,
albeit through an AI version of themselves, where let's say, for example, it's kind of like a
friend tech thing where people
were not only able to buy keys to get into a group chat, but at this point in time, it is to be able
to buy, let's say, said agent token to be able to be part of not only an AIME community, like a sub
community, but also to almost interact with and absorb the information from a verified Twitter
personality. And yeah, if I didn't bring it up, any Amys that I created with a particular X dataset,
it will have kind of like a Twitter verified badge on it.
Oh, that's cool.
So there's a level of verification there as well.
I like that.
We love to do verification.
Yeah.
I think for us, we're looking at ways to be able to filter the noise away.
I think at the end of the day, it's very hard to navigate through the noise in Web3.
And for us, of course, X is one layer of verification.
And anyone, the creator addresses of Amy's monitored to their AppShack local wallets kind of show as well who it is that actually created this Amy.
While it could be a non, it also very well could be not a non, which I think for the most part, staying a non on abstract is not as prevalent as, let's say, other chains as well.
For sure.
I have some questions about how to keep kind of nefarious intentions away from that. But I did want to welcome uh as um as i'm saying that you powered by friend
zone i want to ask about this and about holders of friend zone and if these two are related or no
if these two are related or no?
So, yeah, this is a really good question.
And this is what I mean by we want to stick to our social five roots.
Friendzone is actually what we were prior to our pivot to AI ME.
So Friendzone, while it was definitely not an AI project,
it has led to the foundation in terms of how we have built,
how we will go to market with Amy. So in terms of a relation, you can think of it as, yeah,
we are a pivot. It's almost like a rebrand, a rename. For us, we've always taken care of our
OG supporters. And for Friendzone, Friendzone is something that we built for almost two years actually before we landed on Amy. And the way that we always stay kind of true to our OG community,
OG holders, OG users is of course,
when it comes to Amy specifically,
we do have a very tight-knit community,
all of which either received, let's say, early token allocations
or alternatively as well, our Genesis NFT,
which would, of course, result in a token airdrop.
Okay, so it's like an OG holding friend zone,
and they will have a location for Amy and Jedra,
and all the things you're building now. Okay, super.
We would never leave our OG supporters behind, even if let's say we end up deciding to build
something in DeFi. I think for us, I guess this is a question that a lot of founders
have because it's very hard to get what you want to do right the first time. More often than not,
you will probably make mistakes, you will misjudge your market, or maybe timing just wasn't right.
The decision criteria between, okay, hey, do we just start from a clean slate, or do we kind of
just move this on, bring our community who always were there to support us, albeit we, of course,
have to look after them, I would always, always choose the second option to be able to look after
them, to be able to look after not only our community, but our original investors who did
invest in us when we were building a social fire. It's always about, I think, when it comes to Web3,
trust is something that is very hard to retain. It is not easy to gain, of course.
But once you lose trust in Web3, once you lose your reputation,
it's very hard to kind of come back.
It is at the end of the day still, and I've been saying this every year
for the last eight years, it's still a very small space.
That is a clear-cut reason why we kind of always pay homage
to our OG original supporters of our old name friendzone and of course we even
have that name there just to let people know uh for what for ones that haven't found out
that yes in fact we are still the same team um not only that but we are building what
we have learned from our last two three years in the space of building specifically in socialfy that is okay so i'm
seeing friend zone is like a 888 collection so it's very small and as i understand if people
wants to join me easily more easy can grab an ft so I think the NFT...
And I like bracelets in general.
I didn't mean to interrupt.
But yes, the supply is quite limited.
And for us, really, again, the NFT in itself,
for us, we never ever want to forget our roots.
So it had to be a friend's own NFT.
And for us bracelets is
something that we also love frankly um i don't know if it's a sydney thing but bracelets are very
very big here and what better way to do this than to be able to create an nft to actually not only
support our original supporters but also to like you mentioned if someone does pay a particular
early early interest in terms of what we are building in Amy. Given that we haven't really turned up the entire switch
when it comes to marketing,
at least for us,
that is a way to provide someone early access.
And of course, NFC holders do get very first beta codes
to access when we do launch.
And I should probably mention,
our beta will be gated by an invite code.
Invite codes would be seeded to a select few communities, select few people.
This way we can kind of ensure that we don't over bloat too quick
and we are able to fix things on a UI, UX level, even a product level as well
as more and more people come in.
I can safely say that we will definitely be looking after the Abstract Angels community in this regard.
Okay, that was my question. Thank you very much.
No worries. And Rubix, great to have you here too.
Yeah, hi, Kevin. I would like to say i'm i'm really interested in ai me
i've i've been in contact with barrick um and i really just
oh i'm not sure it's my side sorry sorry, sorry, sorry. I cut out. One second. Oh my God, I got scared. I cut out for me for a second.
Don't worry.
I thought it was me too.
Yeah, sorry.
I love AI me though.
I've been in contact with Baric.
I was just wondering if you could use an AI agent
to do on-chain analysis.
You know, I guess check for bundles
and use it to, I guess,
see if a token or a meme coin
might be a scam token or a rug.
I love that you brought this up.
And the short answer is definitely yes.
While it may not be available in beta,
it's something that we definitely have on our to-do as well as our backlog.
For us, we want to make it as simple and integratable with, you know,
the major platforms, let's say, if it's more wallet-specific platforms
like Dbank and Zapper.
Even if you want to go a little bit more on the on-chain analytics side, let's say Bubble Maps
or even Dune Analytics, we want to make all of this data very easy to plug and play into Amy.
Almost akin to like if Amy was Shopify in itself and there are different plugins,
kind of like the Shopify plugin store, that people could plug in. And these plugins would be exactly those platforms.
This is exactly how we kind of look to address in terms of creating more sophisticated AMIs
to be able to have these AMIs evolve over time with continuous training.
The only way we can do that, of course, on a UX level is we can't expect people to, for example,
hey, go do the chain analysis on yourself
and then just like drop it all here.
We want to make it as simple as kind of installing a plugin
or even an extension in your browser, for example.
And I love that you shouted out Beric.
He's actually in his, he's listening in his call right now.
Perfect. Yeah, that's really cool, man.
I'm really, really looking forward to this.
I also want to create an AI agent of myself.
I think that would be absolutely amazing. So yeah, really looking forward to this. I also want to create an AI agent of myself. I think that would be absolutely amazing.
So, yeah, very looking forward to the project.
Amazing.
Thank you so much for the support.
Welcome, Al.
I'm sorry.
How do I say your handle?
You were so close.
I thought you were just going to go out.
Alcidas.
There you go.
All right.
GM, GM, GM.
I was like, I've been listening to the conversation and a lot of stuff interests me, but I just
wanted to know like just two quick things from you, Kevin.
First off, when I was listening, I could have sworn you were Shiv from the abstract team
or something.
I was like, who's this?
This guy sounds like Shiv.
But anyways, the first question I had was, like, is Amy, like, is it like a, is it built
on a framework or is everything from ground up, right?
And just to add the second question, the white paper talks a lot about the economic side and how.
So I'm just trying to figure out how is it going to work long term?
How are creators and users going to earn from Amy over the long term?
And then how is that the whole ecosystem going to be working smoothly?
Because it seems like a heavy lift that you're undertaking.
And I just wanted to figure out how you plan to do all those things.
Yeah, thank you so much for the question.
I love that you say that it's a heavy lift.
It's probably the heaviest lift of my life, if I'm being really honest.
And to kind of address it head on, yes, for now, we are actually building upon frameworks.
That's kind of like the stage that we're in. I've got to be true of ourselves. We are still quite early stage.
We haven't found a level of critical mass or even growth yet because we haven't quite simply
launched. In terms of how do we look at this in terms of sustainability in terms of long term,
for us, the beta I should probably mention is we have in
the Amy lifecycle we have at first what is the Amy creation from creation to the
second goal post would be on a trading on a bonding curve post bonding curve
would be let's just call it graduation because that's probably the easiest term
to kind of understand it liquidity from the bonding curve would then migrate over to Uniswap on Abstract until we build our own DEX. For us, how we ensure sustainability
in AME's is for as long as there is recurring usage, for as long as the agent tokens are
being bought, being spent to not only cover inference costs, but also to kind of pay back to the creators and
also the token holders. One key specific difference that we have on our protocol economic side is
the liquidity on our bonding curve is split into two parts. The first part is 25% of the liquidity
would then be used to support the A liquidity in itself so that is our own
native token the second part the 75% and they're being used and paired against
200 million so 20% of the total token supply of said agent tokens to then
kick-start it post graduation we are very very careful in terms of kind of
sequencing our release.
During the course of our beta, it would only be able to go from goalpost 1 to goalpost 2.
When we do actually get out of beta, what a great day that would be.
We would then allow the graduation of said agents.
And when we do allow this, what is that mark that we do allow these agents to graduate?
what is that mark that we do allow these agents to graduate?
It would be somewhere around the level of about 200 to 300 graduation ready agents.
That way, there is enough liquidity to be able to sustain the liquidity pool kickoff
for not only Amy, for Amy against ETH, that is.
Over the time, as we start to not only be able to build fees,
but start to actually provide venture ready metrics, to be able to provide investors in what is at this point in time, as we start to not only be able to build fees, but start to actually provide venture-ready metrics,
to be able to provide investors in what is, at this point in time, unfortunately for the wider market, quite a cold market,
we kind of understand that getting out to market first and foremost, building attraction, building users, building a community,
kind of sets the stage for everything to come.
At this point in time, yeah, while we do use frameworks,
we do have a dedicated AI team to start to build something
from the ground up that we could use.
But I am also conscious that at this point in time,
it may not be the best decision given our stage.
I love how specific and also the depth of this question is.
Yeah, thank you very much.
And I'd say I really do appreciate your transparency.
And there's nothing wrong with frameworks.
It's just sometimes you talk to teams and they try to hide that.
And you're like, guys, come on.
Nobody has to rebuild this whole thing brand new.
It's okay to leverage a framework.
So I really do appreciate that you were straight up about that.
And obviously, as you grow and you have more investments or whatever you can do,
whatever is custom,
but yeah,
you really don't have to switch that up.
But I really appreciate all your answers.
No worries.
And I think being transparent
is the only way
kind of to get through Web3.
Anyone that does try to hide,
like eventually it will out anyway.
You can kind of put two and two together.
Hey, this kind of doesn't make sense,
but I appreciate it.
And thanks for the support.
Thanks, outsiders.
I don't know why I want to say outcries.
I know it's not that.
I'm just illiterate.
It's a good question.
I'm kind of not for nothing.
When we started this space, I was kind of confused as to what the product was and what I'd even ask. And the more
I hear about it, the more I'm like, okay, my gosh, this makes sense. And then it gets my wheels
turning and I'm like, wow, it could be used for this and that. So it is really great to be able
to hear different poignant questions about these AI models that honestly, like I wouldn't even like
think in that perspective because it actually helps me understand more and just gets my wheels turning.
So thanks for enabling me to figure out ways to abuse this AI system even more than I even plan to.
I want to welcome Entheox.
Hey, how's it going?
Good morning, Dyla.
Good morning, Nancy.
Kevin, great space this morning.
I guess I just had a simple question for Kevin.
So for a little context, I'm one of the founders of Doki's Official,
which is a viral IP on TikTok.
Got these cute little white fluffy characters,
and we're going to be launching like an NFT and token for this IP on Abstract.
And just kind of curious if you can like lay it out for me,
like what all could Amy do for Doki's official?
Like how could we use Amy most effectively with Doki's?
Give me a moment.
Let me have a quick look at the Doki's page.
And also absolute pleasure to connect
good morning to you as well yeah i would love to get on a call and chat with you as well at some
point that'd be great oh 100 i think there's a lot more that we can dig through okay i had a quick
look um if i'm completely off the ball just interrupt me okay sure uh i think when it comes
to doki's and i think the ip that you have here is Doki in itself.
Doki's amassed a lot of different IP
from not only the illustrations,
but also the content that you put out,
particularly on TikTok.
Is that right?
Yeah, exactly.
So I guess probably the most straightforward way
that we could do,
that we could kind of use amy to
support doki would be to bring doki to life imagine if doki was able to move um not only that
be able to speak to people on text almost akin to like a messenger app or even if you um if you're
more of a fan of it uh more GPT-based interaction,
kind of like the bland chat GPT interface,
better yet as well, if we could give Doki a voice,
what we're able to create is a real interactive version of Doki.
This Doki could then be trained on the complete context
of what you are looking to do.
Of course, every aiming itself has what would be,
let's call it a master.
This master is able to continuously update the training,
the information, the context window of which it is trained on.
Let's say, for example, for Doki, you've amassed now,
not only you have 35 million views on TikTok,
that is insane, by the way, and that is crazy.
I'd love to kind of speak to you in terms of how we can break onto TikTok.
But let's say we created Doki completely for the community.
This is a Doki that has a tradable token.
Not only that, but at the same time, this Doki is something that is able to interact
with the community, let's say, on Discord as well.
You could have DokiBot that does speak to people, that does answer things. It could be channel
specific. It could be voice channel specific. For us, I think when it comes to using AIME with Doki,
it is a community enrichment tool. Of course, this leads to engagement and retention.
I kind of answer this in terms of what I think the high-level goals would be, which of course would be to look after the user base, communities, your followers.
But again, maybe this is something that kind of could set up the stone for when we do actually get on that call.
Do you see this happening if we were to use Amy to actually support Doki?
Amy to actually support Doki?
Yeah, absolutely.
And it actually reminded me
of the
Discord
AI agent feature that they have.
And we had set up a Doki bot
as like a test at one point.
And I don't know, it just didn't work very
well. So I'd be curious to see
how much better Amy would perform
compared to that
Doki Discord bot version that we had.
We'll give it an absolute best shot.
Awesome.
Awesome. Thank you so much. Wow.
We've come to like the end of the space,
but it's been such an informative space.
I've learned so much about this. And like I said, there was,
in the beginning I kind of like didn't know even how to understand the product. And now it's just kind of like opened up all these possibilities.
Since we're wrapping up, I wanted to give you a second to say some final words. What do you want
people to leave this space with today? And what should we be looking for from Amy in the near future?
Oh, so I guess maybe first and foremost is thank you for everyone from taking their time,
whether it's morning, afternoon, or evening, especially jump on this space. Again, it's my first space in maybe a year or so, maybe a bit more. So it's very refreshing. Big shout out to,
again, Abstract Angels for putting this together. And there's one final note that I would leave everyone off with
in terms of what we're doing at Amy
is we're building where all of you are.
We're building where Abstract is,
where the future of consumer is.
Our outlook in terms of what Amy should do,
what Amy's should serve
is always going to be on a consumer level.
And for us, Amy is not an AI tool.
It's not a chatbot,
but it is really for us to be able to disseminate
a lot of the value capture that AI has to offer
back to the users, back to the communities,
back to the projects, starting with Web3.
So the best thing that everyone could do
without being too shameless
is do follow us on our journey. We will be
launching in the coming weeks. And of course, everyone that does follow, everyone that does
jump into our Discord community at this point in time, which is still a very few select number of
people, 2,000. Now that I say it out loud, it's actually quite a fair bit of people if you will
put them all into one room. But yes, we'd love to have everyone here kind of during this early stage.
This early stage where we do figure out what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong,
and how to best build this alongside you guys.
Of course, Discord is somewhere where you can always reach me.
Twitter is where you can kind of like stay up to date with the more major updates
if you don't want to be completely harassed with a lot of messages.
Big love to everyone here.
Thank you so much.
And honestly, for not being in spaces for over a year.
God, you're really eloquent at it because some people like it's kind of, you know, it's difficult and you're dragging a story out of them.
But I'm excited that you had so much to say about Amy. It obviously is like a super interesting thing. And I'm really looking
forward to seeing more of it. Um, for the audience, please make sure that you're following
Amy's main page. They're right there in the audience. It's Amy underscore X, Y, Z. Um,
make sure you're following their abstract angels. We do host angel hour on Tuesdays and Thursdays,
noon on Tuesdays,
11 a.m.
on Thursdays,
as well as Nancy's angel space on Wednesdays.
With that being said,
I hope you guys have a great day.
And I'm going to be starting my,
my Easter weekend very shortly here.
So hope you guys have,
like I said,
a great day,
great holiday,
and we'll see you on Tuesday.
Bye.
Bye-bye.
Happy Easter.
Happy Easter.
Happy Bonny Day.
Bye.
Bye.
