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Angel Hour with Final Bosu and Sugartown
Recorded: June 3, 2025 Duration: 1:02:30Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, key players from Final Bosu and Sugartown shared insights on their recent project launches, upcoming token initiatives, and the importance of strategic partnerships in driving growth within the crypto ecosystem. The conversation highlighted the community's role in shaping the future of these projects, emphasizing resilience and innovation in a rapidly evolving market.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. GM, GM guys, sorry, I forgot to mute my desktop.
And if you've heard any of that feedback, my bad.
But good morning, everybody. bad uh but good morning everybody
it's not good morning it's good afternoon but um yeah i'm pretty sleep deprived so it's gonna be
a good morning right now uh give me just a second while i get set up here be sure to send this to
all of your group chats your friends your neighbors your enemies your dentist um yeah make sure that
you get there twice a year
and send him a link to this space so we can get started.
Banger space lined up today with Final Bosu
and with Sugartown.
There is so much that I want to know
about what's going on with both of them.
And you guys know I'm a lazy piece of shit
and I host these spaces just so I can find out
what's going on with these projects that I love so much.
And I don't have to go rooting around the internet for it.
So like I said, give me just a second so we can get started.
Blue, I'm inviting you up here in just a second.
And I see A-Call and Nancy and Miss Ghost and looking pretty pudgy down there.
Hey, and Paula's down there and GMB and Sniper's down there too. Hey guys, like I said, give me one there. Hey, um, and Paul's down there and GMB and it's like snipers down there too.
Hey guys. Um, like I said, give me one second. Um, Cincinnati, AKA Cincinnati. What's good.
Um, one second and, uh, we'll get this thing rolling. Thank you. Check, check.
Do you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you now. I'm getting rugged a little bit on
on Facebook too.
It worked out, but it took a bit.
I don't know if the rest are having the same issue.
I can't even add myself
as a co-host to my own fucking space.
Wrong.
Let me try to...
It won't even let me.
It doesn't give me the option.
I can remove you. I mean, that helps.
I can take you down as a listener.
And then we can start over.
You know what? Do that.
Shoot me down as a listener and then we'll redo it.
I was obviously joking, but we can try that. Oh my god. over you know what do that shoot me down as listener and then we'll redo it and i mean i was
obviously joking but we can try that yeah oh my god no no no never mind is it gonna work would
that work maybe but like can you switch real like fast enough to abstract angels account and talk
there or not or will i'll be talking by myself and waiting for camel and keb you'll be talking
to yourself well i mean give me just a second.
I'm going to leave, come back,
and then hopefully I'll have my life together by then.
One second.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I think they can speak now.
Let's see.
Camel, you should be able to.
I see Kev connecting, so I don't know.
Okay. I see Kev connecting, so I don't know. I can see them both as speakers, but I don't know what they see on their side.
Did that work?
I can still see you as a speaker, but I mean, you can talk and we can listen.
We can hear you. so that's the main thing
x is rocking so much that this is definitely a win right now bro elon doesn't want to see us win
i don't know what the fuck welcome to another episode is does daila understand the internet
and does elon another one another one um as always um can you do me a solid and and send um camel
a um a speaker request because um this is being yeah he he had it already i could see him a speaker
i just sent him a new one but um i i just didn't know again. Let's see if that works.
I can see both of speaker.
Hey guys. There we go. Yes. We're not the only ones.
What is going on? Hey, what's going on guys?
Um, yeah. Thanks for coming through. Really appreciate it. And I actually want to start out talking about Final Bosu because I haven't had a chance to really touch base with you much
since, you know, launch and the art reveal. So there's so much I want to catch up on.
So yeah, I wanted to kick that off. And Blue, I didn't even have a chance to introduce my amazing
co-host Blue blue who keeps my
life in order and keeps me from going off the deep end day after day after day uh thank you blue um
how's it going are you so excited to talk to kevin
i'm going good yeah it was a very eventful weekend maybe not as as yours with the nerf party and the
prom but uh it was it was great as well. Super happy to be here.
Excited to have Kev and Camel
and learn more about what's going on lately
on these two amazing projects.
So yeah, it's been amazing.
Yeah, Kev, we actually, like the day of reveal,
Blue and I have our chat ourselves.
I'm like, what did you get?
What did you get?
And it was so cool.
It's been a while since I've been this excited
about like these big, these art reveals. And you know, we've had a few in the space lately
that have been pretty incredible. But sorry, not sorry, but Final Boats who has really been one of
my favorite art reveals. Just because it's different. I really love the way that the
women characters are represented in the art. Um, it's just, it's just been a banger. So, um,
so how's it been? How are you loving the response, um, to the art reveal? Because I mean, I've only
seen good things. If there's people out there saying anything negative, I don't know where
they're at and, and, and fight me, and fight me. But how are you feeling about it?
I'm feeling great.
I look at the audience.
It's freaking insane to me to just look into it and see so many PFPs.
I've been dreaming about this moment for such a long time that I just feel so grateful.
I feel like it motivates me like a hundred times more to be on spaces because I feel like I'm now representing the group here
I have a platform to speak to to our people
You know, we're a group of people all on their growth paths all trying to
You know complete complete life and fight the final bosses and now now we're all doing that together and it's that's fucking amazing
Sorry for my cursing. Oh, yeah, I never never curse that's um please my baby ears can't take it my baby little
bear ears right here um listen it's been it's been a really intensely personal journey with the whole
final boss who roll out i remember pre-launch, I remember listening to you in spaces, and it
really is one of those situations where you're like, oh my gosh, I really am rooting for this
team. I'm rooting for the story of this project. And then you see the actual activations and
the things you had online to the gamification of it all.
And you're like, damn, they are really cooking for real.
So it's not just like, oh, I like the team.
It's like, holy crap, look at what these people are putting out.
And, you know, we minted and there was a little time with mint.
And I respect you so much for kind of like holding that off and saying, you know, like,
holding that off and saying, you know, like, we're just not ready for it right this second.
we're just not ready for it right this second.
Let us cook.
Because you really did make up for it once the art did go live.
So can we talk a little bit about, like, kind of, like, the whole art launch process?
Because you did have, like, a little bit of pause there.
Yeah, it's been an interesting time.
It's now almost two weeks back, so I had some time to reflect,
look back at the period, think a lot went well.
Some things didn't go well.
Things went as planned and other things didn't.
But yeah, a lot of learning lessons.
I think internally as a team, we went through a massive growth period.
massive growth period we we we fought the final boss like i think that um you know probably from
We fought the final boss.
uh from the outside uh yeah it was already chaotic but if you had seen it from the inside of how much
pressure and stress the team just went through and just no sleep like there was literally the last
week i didn't sleep for five days in a row like i've never done something like that right just
being up like following me falling asleep behind my that right just being up like falling falling asleep
behind my computer i just wake up two hours later still on the team calling like yo we're on a team
call damn it's crazy stuff i mean i've fallen asleep in spaces but i don't know if i've stepped
no no finn i've never fallen asleep on a team call nobody ever tell finn that I fell out of sleep in any team calls ever. Okay, maybe once or twice.
But, I mean, there has been so much heart that's gone into it. So how do you feel about the anxiety you caused me over the three days of the art reveal?
I got a message yesterday from somebody who was super supportive during the time, right?
His name is Spirit Box. He was just positive all the time in our Discord.
And he was like, I kind of miss those days, man.
It was like, I was kind of like all the time on the edge of my chair.
You know when you're like watching a movie and the end, you know,
it's just dragging out and you're like, I'm so curious.
Like, how is this going to end?
Like, you know, I guess it felt like that for him.
And then when finally the conclusion came and things were
you know beyond expectations I think
I'm just so glad that
Yeah, we pulled it through and people are generally excited to see so many collectors
Picking up traits that they like there's so many sales above the floor
We've I think we've we have all the the top 10 sales on
abstract from the final bosses still the boss with 10 size still the response so it's been uh it's
been um yeah amazing to see obviously those those yeah three days and even even the weeks before
that um yeah it was uh yeah it was it was it was interesting but But definitely good.
Even on day one when I would open up the timeline
and I would see people say,
I still have two left for the last day.
It was just so exciting that it turned out that way.
It's an interesting one.
I think that you don't always see what's happening behind the scenes.
Even with Kleinosaurus and the launch, right?
Like we all see like the movie, but you don't see what's happening behind the scenes, right?
It might be chaos there.
Things might go wrong.
You don't even see that they're solving like a thousand problems behind the scenes.
You know, I don't know if it happened.
Like I'm just giving an example, right?
But yeah, being behind the scenes, there's just so much happening.
And yeah, I'm grateful now.
Look at all these bosses here.
It's crazy.
Look at this audience.
I'm scrolling and there's so many bosses.
And just to see, again, I am a big fan of the art.
And just to see the community show up so hard.
I mean, like there was, there was open seat with their PFP.
There was abstract with the PFP.
The community support around it was so intense.
And to kind of like top that off with a unique experience of saying, you know what, we can
just reveal all the art at once, but why don't we add a little more interest to it?
Why don't we, you know, reveal them in these different factions like this
to just kind of give a little bit more to talk about?
Yeah, totally.
And I think even if I look back at those days, we were kind of,
I would say, like, I think a good thing is being a small team
that you can be quite reactive towards things, right?
And so we stayed very flexible.
In reality, a lot of people were speculating, like, ah, they just waited on OpenSea.
And OpenSea actually was in the cards for a very long time.
I knew at some point it would come and they, you know, had delays in their end.
And at some point I actually gave up on it.
And I was like, okay, it's not happening anymore because they need more time than us now.
But somehow magically, like I'm telling you guys, like, it's not happening anymore because they they need more time than us now but somehow magically like i'm telling you guys like it's not perfect things are out of your
control you can plan whatever you want and then you know like obviously precisely in the same
week times that you're like what the hell like this this is out of our control right and so
um yeah it was was was was crazy uh crazy to see how all those things lined up so yeah yeah yo again
yo yo yo against all odds uh but yeah again as i was gonna say like such a unique process in the
revealing i still think that my one-on-one got misplaced i was sure i got had one and and daila
as well as we were sharing in chat uh in the ends each other. But yeah, you kept everyone so intrigued.
And so, I mean, you had the whole attention for months.
I mean, people wanting to get into the community
and then you plan your whole marketing campaign
very well, like done.
Yeah, a lot to learn from you guys
and just kudos to everything you've done.
And so excited for what's next, right?
With everything that you're building and the and the manga and the media so yeah just so happy to have
you guys here and seeing so many pfp's shout out to nancy as well um i remember what she had before
i think a pingo but now she has a bosu and and so many of you guys are supporting each other here and
and everywhere it's amazing to watch always yeah and guys like this is truly i i i was cut off
surprised by the amount of support and it showed me even though i had an imagination but true
experience what web3 is really about right because in the end of the day you can say you know it's
the team that is pushing and expanding the ip and creating belief in their holders and all of those
things and and obviously it's us like creating, like my brother's creating awesome art,
but it's really up to the collectors as well, right?
Like Pokemon, the collection itself became big because of the collectors.
They started buying them and didn't want to sell.
And so in the end of the day, that is a massive responsibility that the community has as well.
And the community is like doing an amazing job in it at the same
time and that's really where the power lies, it's a collaboration. One thing that came up for me
when you said about the final bosses is like if there's like the biggest alpha that I can give to
anyone is that you might not have pulled a one-of-one on the last day but in reality everybody
has a final boss within them and if you look you look hard and and you know you choose to to level up in life um like beating your own final
boss is way more worth than any one of one in the collection that we could ever create right so yeah
man you were you were made to be a cult preacher um i don't know what you were doing with subbies
before bosu but holy shit i'll i'll run through a wall with you and i'm sure that as well but uh yeah man completely agree
and everyone doing their part that i think is super powerful and important and everyone's doing
their yeah their side of it yeah i pinned my super attractive couple um on the jumbotron i i love
them like i feel like it was it's it's such a great collection
because like there's there's a there's a ton of anime collections in web 3 all of them kind of
special in their own way but it is a challenge to kind of make something your own because the
comparisons are inevitable you know that's just kind of across the board with any anime art um but just um you know the the positioning of the characters the
different uh facial aspects of it the different just the traits the hair and stuff like that you
guys have really really done a great job of having a really diverse and and unique collection so um
kudos to you guys on that but uh like blue was alluding to all the things that
are coming up now because you know now is when the real real story begins so why don't we talk
a little bit about what's coming now yeah sure i think um our our goal right now is to instill
confidence within the people around us.
Because if there's one thing I learned is that as a group, we can literally do anything.
Right. And if everybody holds this belief, like the world is ours.
And so that should be our priority. Right.
How do we create trust? And I think that happens.
And we've seen many examples in Web3 and I've been, you know, fortunate enough these last three years being in the space launching our first collection three
and a half years ago. I've been able to absorb and observe the big brands, right, and the
steps that they were taking and learning from them. And I think there's a couple of big
things that we can learn. I think that from the behind the scenes look, it's kind of like you want to have consistent,
small to medium, exciting things coming out.
And once in a while,
you want to have something that elevates the brand
to the next level, right?
That makes a mark.
And I guess it's really about like,
what's the promise you make as a brand to the world, right?
And our promise is to build the largest fan-powered franchise.
What means that we have to go way beyond Web3, we have to expand our IP.
The characters, Bull, Beer, Let's Go, Sandy, Endo, Rain, Bronx, Kaito, Tover,
all the people that are here in the audience are all characters now of the Final Buster universe.
And we are on a mission to make the brands, the characters, the
storyline known in every part of the universe. I want people in Asia, I want
people in America, I want people in Europe to be consuming Final Bus
content when they're sitting on the toilet, when they're coming out of the
shower listening to A-It-Against-the- the odds music. I want them to stand somewhere waiting for the bus and seeing a sign.
I want them to fall asleep to a show or a movie or maybe a video game.
So that what they have undermined is final boss who is against the odds.
Because I think that this story that we're going to tell of against the odds
truly has a deeper meaning that's way bigger than all of us and it's important because as humans we learn through
storytelling and so we've got that obligation now and so you know we want to you know internally
we're going through a bit of a organization process you know we got some funds now we got
our team members ready we got our energy and so we're looking at making more hires, getting some team members on board that can help us build out the vision, looking for really good people in the industry.
And we want to get started with some smaller activations over these next days.
Yeah, we'll start posting a lot more content, breaking out the collection, launching our Instagram, and slowly starting to build out the ip into
the outer worlds and at the same time for web3 we want to go very deep on what in our eyes is going
to be the revolution of this business model of media franchises that tribes on licensing and we
we have a very strong vision of how we want to do this right like if you have an nft like bronx or
nancy in the audience right you have an nft in your wallet but what can to do this, right? Like if you have an NFT like Bronx or Nancy in the audience, right?
You have an NFT in your wallet,
but what can you do with it, right?
What commercial rights do you own?
Can you create a brand?
Can you create a product?
And how can we support you on your journey?
You know, and how can we align?
And so there's this licensing platform that we're working on
that I think is going to show Web3 in a whole new way of what licensing means.
And I think that if we execute as well, the rest of the world will look at us and we can make an impact on the industry.
And so, yeah, you know, greatness takes time, but there's a lot that we can do on the short term and midterm.
we can do on the short term and midterm and over time we're going to build this ip
And over time, we're going to build this IP.
yeah i i i've seen you know against all odds a o everywhere on the timeline and i think it's kind
of it's it's become it's become one of those ubiquitous uh like community things that reaches
outside of even like the final bossu community like it feels like a very web three thing now
where it feels like yeah we are kind of like against all odds we make this community work
you know we believe in nfts even when nobody else does and they think it's just okay with just jpegs
why are you paying for digital pictures and we believe in community even when it's like no the
money's in the trenches and things like that we believe in building even when people are like well
what about AI?
Isn't that going to flood out creativity?
And isn't it just going to, you know, aren't you just going to be replaced by a, by Chad
GPT?
So it feels like it's, it's, it's this mantra that's come at a really, really unique and
pivotal time just in web three culture as it is.
I mean, are you, have you felt like that? I know that's kind of
going a little deep about it, but have you noticed just with the launch of your project,
just how much it's just really resonated with the people in Web3 where it's kind of more than just
a project. It really is something that kind like reflects what the culture is kind of feeling like
these days after the you know a terrible uh bear market and now we're in the bull and kind of like
starting to get the glimmer of like the consumer market attention we're like are we going to make
this work or not like are you seeing that because i i'm telling you i'm seeing it from my perspective. Well, I think that an interesting perspective is
two people can be in jail cell and one of them is happy and the other one is not.
Like what is good and bad, right? It's all perspective and the way that you view the world.
And so if mindset and the way that we view the world is is what shapes our reality
then i think that that is the way to make an impact on on humanity right and so again against
all artists it happens like the fact that we're born and alive is is against all odds right like
we're not like the the chance that we're here
on a space together is one out of trillions.
The fact that you're born maybe in a good environment,
you've already overcome so many odds, right?
And I think that everybody, each and every one of us
has our own against all odds stories.
And I think that that is what makes it so powerful.
It's the same as Just Do It
of Nike. Every single person can resonate with that and it goes way beyond a product
or something that we can consume. I did see that and I do think that against the odds
already makes the impact. If somebody sometimes asks me, like, what's the end goal, right? And I can talk about we want to build a billion dollar franchise
or want to make an impact.
But in a way, we are already succeeding
because I'm getting messages left and right of people that say,
I came in contact with Final Boss, I wear it as my PFP,
I started taking action, I've learned how to do this,
I started my business.
Like, we're already succeeding because that's the movement.
That's the whole purpose of it. We just want to do that bigger and better and and the people that are now a part
of it are a part of the movement very early on and everybody will have co-ownership in the brands
right and so i think that's that's even more awesome but yeah um i i think against the odds
is is not from us it's from from me and the team like it's it's a message from all of us
that um yeah
that i think we need to share with people around us yeah i think that's what resonates it does feel
like a very it feels it feels so intensely personal and deliberate and i feel like that's
kind of like how it's felt the with the entire rollout where you know everybody sees it as more
more than just like this pfP project where you do feel like
the team kind of embodies the whole ideals of what the project means. And you kind of, you really,
really do see that. So again, I love, I love getting to be on spaces with you, Kevin, because
you get so riled up and you're so into it and I appreciate it so much. You know, like I, I didn't
know you before abstract, but all I'd heard was people, you
know, from the community is like, oh yeah, he's been building this forever.
He's awesome.
And it's, I'm very grateful that you're building in our cute little green chain community because
it's pretty awesome.
But I didn't want to ask, you know, before I switch gears, cause I want to talk to Campbell
there and I've been trying to kind of reserve him a little bit. Cause Campbell is feeling under the weather a little bit
guys today. And he was generous enough to join us anyway, because he is a sweetie pie and that's
just what he does. But, um, before I do that, I did want to ask, so like, what are, are we looking
at any, um, community events coming up or are we still just kind of like in that restructuring phase
and you're like, I'm not gonna, we're're not gonna swim against the current we're just gonna you know
get things rolling and then see see where we're going from there yeah can you hear me yeah i can
hear you because my mic i literally can't switch it off so after i'll have to leave and come back
but i was trying to just to mute myself but it didn't work. Again, thoughts.
Yeah, no, like, obviously, like, as we're internally, like, restructuring some things and preparing,
there's so much stuff that is already in the works.
And so I'll probably host online meetings.
But, yeah, I'm looking forward as well.
If you mean, like, events, like, in real life, or do you mean like events and general lunches or whatever?
Whatever.
Whether it's in real life events, whether it's stuff online, just community activation events and stuff.
Just things that you plan on like doing together.
People are you going to New York, by the way?
Right.
No, for the moment, not.
I think.
No, for the moment, not.
That's a bit of hats down.
Focus time again.
That's the right answer, by the way.
Yeah, well, I can't wait to meet everybody in real life again and organize something all together.
It's something that we've always had in our mind. Maybe we want to do something different than the typical side events and drink all together.
Maybe it will be more of a personal growth experience.
I'm not sure yet, but yeah,
the team is definitely thinking about it and brainstorming already.
So yeah, I can't wait.
It's going to be so much fun to see all the bosses in real life and host something good.
Yeah, but I think you're right,
especially when a project first launches.
I like when the team kind of locks in and says, no, you know what, right now is not the time to be super social.
Because there is a time and place for all of it.
And I always say that, you know, like going to in real life events and getting to connect with the Web3 community is super important.
But there's a time and a season for that. And it does it it is it is a sign of a true builder, not just a founder, but a builder to know when in VIP lounges all over the timeline
But there's a time and a season for that.
and people are like, what are you doing with the mint funds kind of shit.
Yeah, exactly. Blowing a Lamborghini photo.
Yeah, no, totally.
And I think especially for us right now, like, the other day as well,
somebody messaged me and it's like, you guys are this animation studio
and, you know, like people often don't realize that we're actually
quite a small team, right?
And all the work you've seen, even the trailer,
all of it is done in-house.
But we're like a small team.
When I say in-house, we're not a company that came into Web3
with 150 employees, and we're this huge corporation.
I know we're three brothers and a couple of team members
that are just super passionate and working really hard, right?
And I've previously built a marketing agency.
I've had my own office and my own employees.
Like, I've built business before.
And so I think, you know, as much as we were into, you know, a scrappy state these last, you know, two and a half, three years, now it's time really for business, right? How do we structure this in a way
where our team members can work really well with each other,
we've got systems in place,
and really build this organization out.
So it's gonna be fun.
It's the most fun bit I've looked forward to this moment
for such a long time.
And so, yeah, it's really exciting, guys.
Like, it's becoming real.
And Joya, I know you've worked really, really hard
for this moment,
and I'm glad that everything has really rolled out,
even with its hiccups,
because nothing ever rolls out perfectly.
But so glad to see you on this side of it
and the community so excited.
It really is awesome.
But I do want to switch gears now
to another killer community that's very much about
very much about its members and has been cooking for a long time and that is to my beloved sugar
town and to camel camel how is that a quill treating you you know i'm just happy to be here
i'm happy to be alive.
I'm happy to be on Angel Hour.
You know, obviously, kudos to Kevin and everything.
The Bossu team and community has been cooking so far.
It's been just, like, really exciting watching that community kind of come to life.
And so, you know, I'm excited to be staring at the stage.
I'm excited to be talking my shit about what we're doing.
And, like, more importantly, just, like, being here with all this like great community because i think we've seen so much incentivization in this space and like
people kind of selling their souls to platforms that they don't really care about and like here
like there is no incentive we're just here we're talking we're having a great time and like we
actually care about the products and tech hell yeah so like just in case anybody here has never
heard of sugar town because i do like to recap sometimes. So like Sugartown launched on, on Ethereum, right? And so we all have, you know, our cute little auras. And recently, we had the Coors Mint on Abstract. And so Sugartown is this amazing gaming ecosystem. Like it's, it can't even just be like a game, right?
It's a gaming ecosystem that's being built out.
And Sugartown is very unique in the fact that it has like kind of nonstop had community events and things pretty much since its inception.
And so we kind of put our heads together recently and announced last week that we're having a World Series of Abstract.
So do you want to enlighten the crowd a little bit on that?
Yeah, yeah.
First, I got to give you some kudos, though.
I mean, shit, you're getting better at the Sugar Town pitch than me.
You nailed it.
You kept it short and concise.
You touched on a lot of great topics way quicker than I would.
So, you know, good job.
Maybe I'm going to need to steal you from Finn, I think.
I'll see what happens there.
But yeah, no.
So last week we announced, we did not launch,
we announced the World Series of Abstract.
And so it's a very clever play on what you might be familiar with,
which is the World Series of Poker.
It's a multi-week poker championship series of events with, you know,
multiple different game events over the course of eight or so weeks.
I'm also saying information that hasn't made its way publicly yet.
So, eh, nobody's in this room that will, like, get mad at me.
I don't think so.
Fuck them.
This is a safe space.
I'm not telling you.
Yeah, this is a safe space.
Yeah, nobody's here that's going to get me in trouble. I don't know. Maybe Kevin will message my boss. We don't know. I can't telling Tom. Yeah, this is a safe space. Yeah, nobody's here that's going to get me in trouble.
I don't know.
Maybe Kevin will message my boss.
We don't know.
I can't trust Kevin.
Maybe Kevin's my final boss.
Oh, my God.
Pop lift.
But anyways, yeah.
Yeah, but anyways, so we're going to be running these events over the course of like eight or so weeks.
There's going to be lots of different size events.
So you're going to have like qualifier events to play in main events.
You're going to have side community events side championship events and honestly it all comes down to like the most
simple ethos in the world all went through communities love to play poker like diala we've
been in the space for what like 2021 both of us we've known each other for years and years at this
point like i consider you one of the closest people i know in this space like we've played
poker together probably countless
times across so many different communities playing seals way back in the day what other communities
have we been in azuki probably like you name it we've played poker in that community it's because
it's such an evergreen product like there is no poker too there's just poker and if you look at
it like poker is the perfect game for crypto because all anybody is doing is PVPing against each other to not get used as extra liquidity.
Like that's what happens in crypto right now.
Like that is the state of our industry.
And so poker is pretty much the same thing.
You're PVPing everybody else to not get used as extra liquidity.
And so it's just like this beautiful kind of high level commentary on what the space actually wants while doing something a lot more fun than us getting liquidated like James Wynn on some crazy leverage trades.
Yeah, I'd much rather get liquidated at a poker table with my friends than with leverage trades.
But I mean, you have a huge point there. It is one of these great equalizer things. It's, it's something that kind of, it, it is identifiable in any community. You can kind of pick it up anywhere. There's
never any fun where, where it's just like, Oh, well you hosted this game, but some people did
not, like you don't never heard of poker. I don't know where the hell you've been in life,
you know, just, just Google it and figure it out, dude. dude. But it is one of those things that anybody can
pick up. And so I've even had a couple people ask me because they've seen it and they're like,
eight weeks, it's a one event. I'm like, it's not. It's kind of like more robust than that.
We can have many events. We can have different kind of collaborative things. And it's not just
where it's a handful of people and you're seeing the same people play over and over
again. It's going to be like way more. I'm trying not to say things that are not details that are
out yet. Well, I think since I'm kind of leading it along with Logan, maybe I can get ahead of
myself a little bit. So one of my favorite meme point founders
that may or may not be in the audience right now
is one of the folks coming in for a part of this.
He's probably gonna text me.
He's gonna be like, shut the fuck up.
Don't talk about this yet,
but I haven't got the shut the fuck up text yet.
So I'm gonna keep running my mouth until I do get that.
And so, you know, when they come in,
what's really exciting is we can run, you know,
side events for just their communities and stuff
which is great because you onboard them to the platform you give all these different communities
utility and then at the same time you actually have prizes and rewards that go to the ecosystem
it's not like anybody's taking a rake off the top anything that gets won is redistributed back to
the players so like there is no loss for anybody everybody's getting great exposure
everybody's having these great onboarding mechanics and like you actually have something
fun and meaningful to play for across all these different ecosystems i think frankie's diner
did a really good job of the proof of concept there where you know you play if you haven't
played it already you go in you do like the little adventure.
It's really fun.
I don't even know how to describe it, but Jonah did a great job with the game design.
You go and you do the little adventure.
It's like, oh shit, I won like $100 worth of Gorb token or like 200 Retspa tokens and things like that. And so we're just like really scaling that up in a really familiar way.
Instead of, you know, like 20 cents here, 30 cents there.
Like why not a
thousand bucks here why not two thousand bucks there you know also sorry real quick um how does
it go how does it work for people that don't have an accord or can they play as well what exactly
do you need who do i need to pay to win here do i need to get up the bryson of poker into in yeah
yeah yeah definitely we're gonna need to up the bryson of poker into in yeah yeah to the leaderboard what's going
on yeah yeah definitely we're gonna need to get the bryson of poker here if you can have like
tom blonde chris moneymaker one of those guys definitely need to get them but if you're not
a core on aura we're gonna do some access airdrops to partner communities as well um and a variety of
scale uh based off of like how deeply integrated they want to go to so
like uh let me think of a community that we're not talking to let's say like fucking who's like
some big ass rug project i know yeah let's say i'm not gonna throw kevin under there yeah abstract
rocks let's say abstract rocks came in they're Hey, we want to be a big partner with this. And so we get abstract rocks and we decide on some backend stuff and all the
abstract rock holders then receive access airdrops for different tournaments.
And based off of the kind of size that we want to go with it,
we can get them in for like one game or like 10 games, 15 games.
It really depends. And so that's one way.
But let's say, you know, you play your one game and you run out,
you're going to be able to re-up on game entries.
Like, let's say you're doing really well.
You have a couple bad breaks, you lose it all.
But everybody loves poker.
That's, like, the addicting part of it. You're just, like, we've got to keep clicking one more game.
You're going to be able to re-up for, like, a really, really, really small fee.
The World Series, so, I I mean that says it all.
And also I mean the rest of the games are in parallel right?
Like nothing stops on the back end, everything's still rolling to just have more stuff to play with.
So that's important.
Yeah everything still rolls, it's beautiful and you know Aura's core is like obviously we're going to take care of you guys more than anybody else.
We're going to make sure that you guys aren't going to need to re-up um and then i think how how far ahead of myself
should i get um all of it all of it i mean just pretend it's you me and daila and kev here and
just go with it and we're drunk on a saturday night yeah exactly so other than this activation
like that's not going to be the last thing we ship over these next two months or so.
I've got multiple other things juggling at the same time, multiple other launches.
World Series of Abstract is super exciting.
I'm really excited to get that one out there.
But more than anything, like we're a games company.
We make games for a living.
Well, I don't make games.
I make funny tweets and I go on Spaces and talk about other people's work and take credit for it.
But there's other things that are really coming to fruition in the queue that i think will
start taking over like the just entire chain by storm we got we finally got popped onto the portal
today we got some other stuff clicking on the back end with the ads team and just like knowing
all the creators knowing what the ecosystem actually likes which is these really quick fun hits of dopamine whether they be kind of like social
casino games or more just casual gaming things you're going to start to see players really
understand why it was important sugar town launch on abstract and how we're going to onboard the
world to both abstracts and Sugar Town against all odds.
Against all odds, no pressure, Kev, but do you play poker?
I do, actually. I mean, like, not as much as I used to, but I really like it,
and I used to play quite a lot.
Well, guess what? That might change.
So, you know to talk to
my boy over here we can situate something um no pressure all the pressure that's the kind of thing
i like to do here is just put people on the spot because we're live what's everybody gonna do about
it tell me no why not um but i think it's really important to point out that yeah that we're having
world series of abstract but like you said this is just one thing on top of a multitude of things that is being rolled out by Sugartown.
It's just thing after thing.
Like, you guys do such a great job of not just trying to engage your core community,
but saying we can reach into the ecosystem and make things fun
as a whole like web three community and not just kind of like sit here siloed in our little box.
One of the bigger things that bothered me in the space, especially during Bullrun,
is how siloed communities got and everything was just like, no, we can only do things
right here with our community. And this is what we do. And we just kind of like root for this, which is the most counterintuitive thing you could
possibly do because there's so much community crossover and there's so much growth that
can happen for both sides when you're just like, you know what, why don't we kind of
like link up with this community to have this kind of event together and activation?
We already have, you know know a crossover in our holder
base why not let those people kind of enjoy the best of both communities or all three communities
or 10 communities however you um want to do it but um with that being said so what's coming up
next for like the whole cores wave because i want to talk about my Coors bags here. Yeah, yeah. So here's where things get spicy because I'm running my mouth.
And so, Dial, do you remember when we did a little marketing thing?
It's when we acquired Sugar Time from Z and there's like this little countdown
and it went to nothing and then people got really mad at me.
I basically got canceled and we somehow made it all back in a couple trades.
I do remember this.
Yeah, that was a fun time.
And to this day, I stand by that was an amazing marketing beat.
Obviously, I wish that the whole delight thing didn't happen.
But what can you do there?
So like right now, I think the biggest thing that we're seeing and that we want to address is right now,
cores and auras, they have pretty similar just immediate benefits in the ecosystem with the
airdrops and rewards and stuff for access and that's for our mvp event that was you know making
sure shit worked on abstract because you know when you launch a whole new thing scale up the
ecosystem shit's bound to break and if you guys tried to play on day one you would have seen that
shit did break and we had to push it like a day or two because that's what happens sometimes shit
just happens in prod and you don't expect it to happen in prod, even though you do so
much testing. So I think the next real thing you'll see in regards to cores and auras,
ecosystem assets specific, is how those kind of separate out in terms of utility and benefits
inside of the ecosystem. I'm not saying that one is better than the other or one's worse than the other, but they
do, and we've always said this, have different types of utility and scale inside of our ecosystem.
And so as we separate these out, users are going to be able to see how this kind of ecosystem
comes to life.
Cores, it makes sense.
They're like power you up.
They charge you.
They make sure that you're ready for what's next for the best rewards paths possible, and everything like that. Auras,
they're such a pivotal character inside of our ecosystem. It's our primary IP, no other IP we
in the ecosystem, we've worked on as much as we have as the auras and understanding how important those characters are
to the project's success to each person's unique persona inside of this space and why they are our
most important community members and really iterating on both of those at the same time
it's so exciting i know i've like said all this vague bullshit and everybody
that's like really listening is like, what the fuck Campbell? You literally just said big words
that mean nothing to me. And guess what? They mean a lot to me though, because this is what I work on
every day is creating this ecosystem so you guys can see it. So yeah, I said some vague bullshit
that you might not understand yet. But if you think about the ethos and you really think about
the deeper messaging, I think that's so exciting about what's to come because at the
end of the day it's not easy building any of this shit like building games is hard building ips is
hard building art is hard building all of this shit especially with a blockchain layer on top of
it not easy in the slightest but doing it all in parallel while also embracing and communicating with our core users at the same time.
It's kind of tough to juggle, but we do it.
And then we show them why we've showed up every single day since well before we minted in August of 2023.
Yeah, you guys kind of minted and rode through the worst part of Web3.
Literally, it was kind of like the worst era of Web3, both socially and fiscally. And it still
became like a case study of how do you build community? How do you listen to a community
enough to make sure that you're serving it the way it wants to and not just, you know, fizzling, fizzling out just because the market isn't there and really building something with some staying power and, you know, more consumer facing and even more of the, that, um, that
gaming audience, that mainstream gaming audience that isn't familiar with NFTs, that isn't familiar
with this whole ecosystem now can be on board through these experiences that they already like
to do. And they're already actively involved in. And, you know, we've talked about, we talked about
cores and how it's kind of like all the games that you wanted, you wanted to play, you know, we've talked about we talked about cores and how it's kind of like all the games that you wanted.
You wanted to play, you know, growing up with your friends, all the things that evoke that nostalgia and exciting and that engaging kind of that engaging time where people are actually like hanging out and having a good time while gaming.
And it's not so PVP just because you want to win a reward point, but you're actually just like enjoying time, hanging out with friends and playing.
Really love that you guys have such a huge emphasis on that part.
And it's not like,
Hey,
make sure that you just,
you know,
play this so you can get the most points for an airdrop so that you can
cheat it and be out the next day.
Right.
That's,
that's my favorite utility is,
you know,
get the airdrop,
sell it,
and then never talk about
it again um but you know in sugar townio we do things a little bit different here um damn that
was that was mean even by my standards i'm sorry what are you doing say it loud you guys did a great
job it was actually a really good marketing i took some doubts about some things i want to implement
because it was really interesting to watch but you know i think i said this all the time and
like maybe people are sick with hearing gear maybe they're not i don't really know because i don't
get a lot of feedback on this but like we i don't have some like deep psyops to sell you guys i don't
have this like crazy fucking like path towards you know you mint a sugar town, you stake it for glucose. So then
you can burn it for fucking, I don't even know whatever. And it's like this crazy Pantanomics.
I got fun games. I have some game fire aspects. I have some staking aspects and I have
the future of consumer gaming being built on the backend over here. And it's my job to make it as
simple as humanly possible. So I could onboard people like my mom, like our cousin, like our Spanish teacher from third grade. Like that's
who I'm focused on onboarding and doing that. Just real fun games. Like all these people know
how to play poker. All these people know how to play side scrollers. All these people know how to
take a goat up a mountain and make sure it doesn't jump off a cliff. All these people like to play simple games.
And more importantly, they want to be rewarded for it because more than ever, like the world is bleak.
Like I turn on the news.
All I see is just like horribly depressing shit.
I open Reddit, horribly depressing shit.
Like I even scroll our timeline in this industry.
It's just horribly depressing shit all the time.
And like people just want to have a little bit of an escape from reality even if it's 20 seconds and if they can win something
truly meaningful on top of that that's even better and like that's what we're here to build
damn camel damn camel i want to play away from my get away from my teacher please camel she's
not into you stay away from Mrs. Ocasio.
She didn't do anything to me.
Exactly.
She has nothing to do with this.
So I'm trying to embark her.
She called me three times today.
Holy shit.
But also, apart from everything you guys are building,
congrats on the grind.
After a coin launching soon from the plague team,
you guys are some of the only projects that got that.
And it's extra utility and it's most probably going to cook so congrats to the bosus and
the oras and core holders yeah yeah no that's exciting i love pawns i don't have enough good
things to say about grind pawns and everything that that community has been working on for quite
some time like i don't know if you guys remember but like I was one of the strategic advisors for playing. OG of OGs.
Yeah.
OG of OGs.
I still have my one of one.
I still have like 20 or some frogs.
I have like all the ecosystem assets.
So that's a team that I've been bullish on for quite some time. And I'm excited that they're also taking a little leap onto the green chain because I think it shows how aligned the builders are.
And it's not like any one of us are messaging each other and psyopsing them to like build on
abstract i think all of us have just kind of organically found our way here and it's just
like the same homies that i had in 21 22 this time we haven't talked in a couple years maybe
but we all come back and we pick up like it's like we just had a conversation yesterday it's
like this beautiful thing yeah i'm glad you brought that up uh Blue, with the whole grind thing, because you're seeing
the projects that are partnered with it, and you're noticing a very, very, like, strategic
pattern of communities that have been building and build with, like, real staying power, and
there's a certain amount of integrity in both the teams and community that you're seeing in all these partnerships.
So if you take a look at the list of the partnered projects and you're not holding in any of them, you're really going to need to start asking yourself some harsh questions about what you're doing in Web3.
Because I don't know what the fuck you're doing in Web3.
Maybe this is your intervention.
You know, you're listening to this and you're like, shit, there's nothing.
This is definitely the wake up call.
Do something about it.
Take action.
I'm not getting a grind drop.
Mrs. Bukowski, bye and R.A., sorry.
Yeah, right?
You got to figure out what you're doing wrong here in Web3, okay?
Totally agree.
If Kevin's here and Camel's here and they're both like, hell yeah,
what are you doing wrong, bro?
You're hanging out in the audience and not getting an airdrop?
Think about yourself.
But it is really kind of like indicative. And I don't think it's the last of these kinds of partnerships. I think it's, you know, kind of showing a real trend. And where
even with our meme coins and things like that, where you're seeing where people are really
starting to value the actual communities, and it's not as PVP where it's more like, oh my gosh, all right, well, let's
build, let's build strategically in communities that we know are here for the right reason that
we know are here for the long haul so we can continue to build together. So maybe our bags
don't go to zero after like 48 hours because, you know, some, you know, weird group cheated and just took our money so that they can like, you know, flex pictures of like watches and cars and shit on the timeline.
But that's not something that I keep that I see anywhere else in the ecosystem.
I see it in an abstract.
It makes me one more reason why I'm grateful.
but again does really show kind of both the integrity of the teams building the tokens
and the similarities of the different teams that are partnered with it.
It really, really is great to kind of look at those lists and be like,
damn, I own a lot of these projects and that feels really, really good to see
how well my own investments are aligned.
So if your investments are aligned uh today's the day
you figure out why why the fuck you are the way you are so there's that what i love vietnam
you don't have grind aloe you need to sell your bags and get grind aloe yeah you're doing a lot
of wrong things get an aura aura, get a core and a
bosu. What are you holding if you're not?
That's a field here.
It's good community.
If you're not owning at least one or two,
damn, bro.
At least five.
My favorite part was
a lot of these aren't the most
expensive communities to join in the world.
It's just very aligned builders and stuff like that like i think i have like half the collections and they're
not like i don't own an ape i don't own a big pudgy i don't own a full-size azuki i don't own
a doodle like i don't have that much liquidity but somehow like i've just been betting on builders
i like and people that i have a wide values with and it's crazy to see that time and time again
these are the folks that keep getting recognized because I think it shows the level of respect founders have amongst each
other for these very scrappy teams that are just like punching way above their weight class. Teams
that don't have like $30 million in funding checks from 2023 that you see just time and time again.
And it's because like just the dedication, just being fucking locked in
and wanting to do right by the entire ecosystem.
And if you do own one of these more expensive projects,
like a doodle, this is a nice consolation prize
for where you're at with your dude drop.
Some of us are still underwater,
so we'll take all the little prizes we can get.
PTSD.
I think that's a topic for another day
yeah
it's something you'll see even projects that like you know you have and yeah
they have dude but you're still seeing these these communities still partner
with other significant communities that are dropping tokens when they see that
kind of same integrity reciprocated I really do think that that's really the most bullish direction to move in Web3.
And again, it makes me happy to see that both Final BOSU and Sugartown are on that side of the
fence and aligned with where that direction of Web3 is going, because it's going to be
either that or what?
More PvP?
I can't do that.
I don't have the attention span.
Fuck that shit.
I have the attention span.
I'm down the PvP.
Let's turn it back like it was 21.
Let's start DMCAing other projects that have similar art styles.
I'm down.
Let's do it.
I'm ready.
Let's have Web3 hoods again.
Remember? It would be like four or five projects that just kind of fluff through each other. Let's have Web3 hoods again. Remember?
It'd be like four or five projects that just kind of like fluff through each other. Let's do that again.
Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Let's start manipulating
some supply. Let's start DMCA-ing
people. Like, I'm down if you're down.
Let's dock some founders.
How many people are in this space right now?
There's 50. We're a 50-person
cabal now, everybody. So,
I'll give you details on what
we're buying and uh yeah it's like jk just playing this for entertainment yeah creature world is the
future guys we're aping creature don't sell your don't sell your bag you're blacklisted for the
next one yeah we're we're we're all we're all scooping mechaverse so um oh god please no not there
i sold my mechaverse at the top i don't want to hear it wow don't fund my don't fund my profits
ggs that was that was for a lot of people but holy shit we're at the hour um already so
wanted to give you guys a couple minutes to make sure that I give you a second to leave the audience with your last thoughts, what they should be looking out for.
And we'll start off with Kevin.
Kevin, thanks for coming through today.
What do you want the audience to leave here with today?
You guys are amazing.
I've just been trying to drop everybody with a PvP at least to follow
and a message of appreciation to you all.
We're on the grind now.
One by one, we'll get people onboarded into the Final Basu universe.
And yeah, we're going to do this.
I'm super excited about the next couple of weeks.
I think these are some important weeks to showcase to the space that we're here,
that we're serious about what we're doing, and that we've got a bright future ahead.
I just want to instill patience and the right mindset into the community you know things simply
won't happen in one day but if we if we all work together and we stay focused I
I can promise that we're gonna build something incredible the team is more
motivated than ever some yeah I'm super pumped and I feel grateful it's
absolutely crazy just to see these beef peas.
Yesterday, I saw a 10-Eat offer on one of the final bosses
and I messaged him.
I said, dude, how are you feeling?
And he's like, there's absolutely no chance.
I'm confident.
I was like, all right, man, let's rock and roll.
You know, and it just shows that we've done something right
and it shows that people actually genuinely care and see the vision.
And, yeah, we're standing in front of something absolutely incredible.
And so, yeah, against all odds, let's freaking do this, guys.
Let's go.
Thanks, Kev.
And thanks again for coming through.
Congrats to you.
Congrats to your family.
I know it's a grind when you have a mint and it's so intense and stuff.
It doesn't just affect the team, but your families and everything.
That's a lot of time and attention from them.
So shout out to all your riders in your personal life who help you make it happen because we appreciate you and you rock.
So that's got to come from a nice little support system back there.
Camel, what do you want to leave the
audience with today? Yeah, I just want to just genuinely thank everybody for showing up, showing
in, showing out. I mean, this is a great panel. I have a lot of love for everybody here, not just
in the host area, but also the speakers, the audience, just everybody. If you're showing up,
if you're participating and you're betting on the people that are building here right now, it's a winning bet.
I truly believe that.
I've thrown my whole career full steam into it.
I know a lot of other folks have, too.
I also want to leave Kevin with a special final note, which is you are my final boss.
Please check your Telegram DMs.
That's adorable.
Let's go.
Thanks, Camel. your telegram dms that's adorable let's go thanks camel uh always appreciate you coming through and shout out to the sugar town team you guys are always so super supportive um of the angels
a cole who is an angel herself um very um very beloved member of the community and you guys are
fantastic so i do want to show a lot of appreciation for that.
And also for, you know, obviously we've got plenty of angels with BOSU PFPs.
So obviously the angels are doing something right in Web3, man.
Shout out to us because look at the people we're investing in.
This is some bullish shit right here.
I'm getting excited.
All right, guys, make sure that you are following Final Bofu and Sugar Town.
Make sure that you have your notifications on for both of them.
If you haven't yet, if I'm telling you this for the first time, again, reevaluate your life decisions.
I don't know what you're doing here, but, like, this is abstract.
This is the shit you should be knowing. So, like, maybe I'm the voice of reason that you needed to hear today, but like,
help me help you make sure you have notice on for both of these communities. Um, thanks for coming through and hanging out with us guys. We will be back on Thursday and I will be dropping the
reminder, uh, tomorrow with the announcement of who we'll be having on that space. Uh, then, um,
will be having on that space uh then um blue any final thoughts
nothing uh incredible space thank you for the speakers and for everyone that joined
happy water space loved it thank you everyone yay 10 out of 10 love you guys so much uh you're
awesome and we'll be back on uh on thursday oh's hungry, guys. I guess I really got to go now.
All right.
Thanks again, guys.
See you Thursday.
Love you.
Bye.
Oh, fuck.
My computer's frozen again.
We're stuck here forever.
Guys. here forever. Guys!
