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Answers on: Mass Adoption
Recorded: March 28, 2025 Duration: 1:19:48Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights trends in Web3 mass adoption, innovations in blockchain and AI integration, and the role of governments and institutions in shaping the future of crypto. Key projects like Unstoppable Domains and Massachain are introduced, while challenges such as user experience and regulatory influence are addressed.
Full Transcription
All right, all right.
Seems like it's going to be a good one.
Danielle, I'm providing you with the speaker slot.
All right.
Sandy, how are you?
How are you feeling?
Hey, jam, jam, jam.
I'm feeling great.
It's Friday.
Thanks God, it's Fridays.
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
That's how we're rocking.
That's how we're rocking.
Daniel, what about you?
Tom, I see you.
I'm going to give you the speaker slot.
All good, all good. What about you guys? Can you hear me?
Yeah, mate, definitely. Definitely. We're the best. We're the best like DJ Khaled.
If somebody knows. That's how it goes. Exactly. We're the best music.
I tell them, bring me the lobster. I tell them, bring me the whole ocean. Another one.
Another one. That's what's up. I love the vibe. Love the vibe. Tom, how are you feeling? How are you feeling?
All good guys. All good. The market is getting cooked a little bit more, but
eventually we're going to all make it how are you yeah it's all we're cooked by now exactly exactly
so i mean we're all kind of chiefs in here it is of our own life of the market and so on and so
forth that's how we're rocking that's how we're rocking and i see a lot of people joining us guys
that's a blessing it's definitely a blessing because more and more people
want to listen, want to listen to brilliant speakers today, want to hear more about the
crypto web 3 mass adoption, and the truth nobody talking about. And definitely, I think guys,
we're good to go and, uh,
It's the new episode of the Insider series.
We're bringing a lot of brilliant people to talk today.
It's Tom, Sandy, Daniel.
Tom for somebody do not know.
Tom is from Protocols, I.O.
So the guy's doing brilliant software where you can track the activity that call KOL,
opinion leader.
Sorry for my work language in there.
So can actually check information.
it out. So also Sandy joining us, Sandy Carter, for somebody to know, it's the founder of
Unstoppable Web3, Unstoppable Domains out there. So if you need some domain. Actually, I'm not the
founder. The founder is Matt, but I'm the COO of Unstoppable. But thank you for that.
Yeah, that's okay. That's because I just want to make sure we, yeah, we credit where credit is due.
No worries, I'm definitely going to be keeping this in mind.
Definitely.
No worry. No worries.
Yeah, that works. That works.
So Daniel also joining us from Massachain.
And he's going to be spreading the word about how they actually executing right now,
how the AI is jumping in into the space, and definitely going to be sharing beautiful insights.
So guys, I already introduce the speakers and we're good to go.
Alright, all right, all right, and welcome to the show, Freaks.
Today we're diving into Web3, Crypto, blockchain, all that jazz and how it's going to be the mainstream,
or if it's just going to stay in nerd fantasy for some of you listening.
We've got three heavy heaters in here.
As already mentioned, Tom from Prada QLs,
Sani from Unstoppable Domains, Daniel from MasterChain,
you guys out there building the future and let's get into it.
First of all.
So what's what three even mean to you guys?
If you can describe it in one sentence, I think it will be the brilliant point for self-introduction and also sharing some of your thoughts.
And, Sandy, I want to pass the floor to you and what Swap 3 generally means for you?
Well, first of all, thanks for having me on the podcast or the Twitter space.
Sorry, I really appreciate that a lot.
So Web 3 for me is all about ownership, ownership of data, ownership of your identity,
ownership, ownership, ownership.
It's actually a good one. It's actually a good one.
And I love the way you framed it.
So I assuming the Tom have a bit different thoughts.
So Tom, what was the Web 3 for you, my man?
How are you feeling about it?
yeah i'll say it's i'll definitely agree with sandy i'll also say it's a completely new paradigm of
of 21st century um yes it's it's a lot about the ownership but there's also so many other
verticals i would say um yeah being like a sovereign individual you know being an independent
individual controlling your our finance which also like kind of comes down to ownership
and transparency as well i'll highlight that because i think
blockchain in general it's probably the one though not only technology that actually brings transparency to the table
it's a good one tom and for everybody listening out there if you for centralization put your thumbs up if you're for the decentralization put a hard sticker down there in comments guys and daniel now now it's your turn my man what's the web three for you drop it like it's hot
Well, I am definitely for decentralization, probably more than anyone else, based on Masa chain right now.
But in general, I think Web 3 has been a fountain of life for me.
So I come from a traditional startup background where everything is extremely difficult to do, a lot of bureaucracy.
And as soon as I discovered Web 3, a whole world opened up to me.
It's a good one, Daniel. I love the vision.
Love division in how you framed it.
Because pretty much similar things.
It was happening with me during the 2018.
So when I was just onboarding as a kind of professional, I was thinking, okay, it might be a career in here.
And that's exactly what we're doing until now, until today.
So guys, let's start with the big picture for everybody listening.
So, um,
And thinking about the current roadblocks and like onboarding next billion users to jump in into the web three into the crypto,
is it what do you think about the main roadblocks in there?
So is it that?
Is it kind of because of it's hard to educate people about it?
Or it just feels like crypto is a nerd playground still like how it was with the MetaMask back in the days.
What do you think?
Sennie, you have something to add?
Yeah, so I was actually reading last night and I posted on Twitter about how many people exit because of lack of ease of use.
And I think this is a really big one that, you know, we're so used to today instant gratification.
If it takes us a long time to learn it, we are going to exit.
We're not going to stay with it.
And so I think that the ease of use, and ease of use for me includes things like, you know, terminology, you know, minting, gaspies, you know, all the things that we say that we know what they mean, but not everybody knows what they mean.
It means the way that you have to or the way that you can process.
like a just a simple wallet transaction or getting money in from an exchange into your wallet or
you know even just look at the wallet address being so long now you have a domain like
unstoppable to make it easier but all these things were added in later this number that i just
posted at the top shows that 76 percent of people leave defy after their first experience
because it's not easy enough for them.
So in my mind, we've got to fix the ease of use.
I would love to take a page out of Chat GPT.
Think about ChatGPT.
We've had AI around for a long time.
I actually worked on AI at IBM in 2015,
but it wasn't until ChatGPT came on the scene,
made it so easy that my father can do it,
that my daughter can do it.
Yeah.
You know, just leverage it that easy.
I think that's where we need to be for mass adoption, ease of use.
Tell you, it totally feel you're saying about this.
So it's definitely one of the hugest roadblocks in there.
So imagine me describing this to my parents, for example,
like how they get started with it.
Okay, they might going to use Binance for,
because it's kind of similar to traditional finance instruments,
but talking about the uniswap,
talking about the decentralized protocols,
this is leverage trading protocols.
And so on, it's becoming harder and harder to actually get the,
necessary knowledge out there to actually make things happen for you or just as you
mentioned earlier a lot of people just dropping out they're like okay maybe it's not for me maybe
it's not maybe it is so tom what how are you feeling how you feeling about this what from your
perspective is the biggest roadblock out there for more and more or i'm talking about the billions
billions of people joining the web three world and blockchain field as not natives what you think
the main roadblocks out there
So I'll definitely back what Sandy just said.
It's all about user experience, definitely, and the entry barrier is just too high.
I think the way we achieve the ultimate adoption, it's when people use the blockchain technology without actually being aware that they do it, right?
That's what I would call an ultimate adoption because, for example, when you, you know, research on Google, you don't think what is on the backend.
You just go there and you ask the question and you achieve your goal and you completely don't have to care and think what's behind.
And I feel like the biggest use case for crypto is probably payments.
And in general, all the financial settlements and also the speed of transactions.
So I feel like when, you know, let's say our parents have that integrated within their apps.
And yes, they are using crypto without knowing that they do it.
I feel like that's when we achieve the mass adoption.
And I also want to say one more thing here from a slightly different perspective.
I might be a little bit biased because what we do is we work with the influencers on a daily basis
and with companies that work with influencers.
But what we see is...
Most of the influencers, and I'll even say it's 995%, that communicate about crypto to the outside kind of world, they do it in a wrong way.
So they paint this world of crypto as full of scams.
What I'm trying to say it doesn't really attract people and they only see maybe 5% of what the market actually is.
There's so many opportunities here and only people tend to see the bad sides.
They see the scams.
They see the fast pumps and dums, which obviously is a part of the game.
But I would say that's not what they should advertise.
I feel like if creators is actually focused on...
you know playing in a long-term game because what you are seeing right now it's influencers
jumping on every single hype train the average time of support dropped from like
months to literally days, sometimes weeks.
So we have KOL constantly promoting new tokens,
which obviously they lose their power,
and then in six months they are no longer relevant.
Like, thinking about it,
how many people was pretty big during the past cycle,
and now nobody hears about them because they just became irrelevant.
So I feel like, long story short,
if more creators actually think how to build
sustainable value over the long term,
they don't work with every single product that pays them.
They focus on education, which is also a big key, not just on promoting tokens, but focusing on education.
I feel like that's one of the building blocks for achieving the mass adoption.
Exactly, Tom, I love the point that you mentioned about the educational parts of it,
because while I was studying during my second MBA that I was taken in Bangkok and Thailand,
so the main idea in there, one of the mentors told me, so...
The hardest part of actually building something and achieving something in this world,
it's actually educating users.
And it's the thing that is hardest, it's the last people going to be saying you like,
thank you afterwards, and so on and so forth.
And God bless that somebody, and in your words, it's basically the key or else who are trying to do this.
And of course, they have the influence.
And this is the crucial part of how you can actually be in people's hearts and people's minds out there.
And Daniel, talking about the mass chains, you got the AI in the mix.
And how you see that making the Web3 more intuitive for like my grandma, for example,
because the narrative is definitely changing towards it.
How do you feel? How you feel about it?
Yes, on the previous point, I think I definitely agree with Tom a lot.
I think a lot of the initial incentive of the blockchain in general was ease of transaction
and facilitating transactions anywhere in the world.
I think that the market is definitely hindered right now by a lot of things.
Most of the Bullerun that we have right now has been led by projects that are not extremely serious.
and the KOLs have kind of reflected that.
And from an L1 perspective, I can also assure you
that we are not really looking to spend budgeting,
budgets into KOLs at the moment,
because we've seen that not only their goals,
but also their user basis goals have focused
pretty much exclusively to meme coins that pump and dump.
On the point of getting things closer to the user,
incentivizing usage of Web3,
we are not that strong on AI yet,
but we are mostly focused on decentralization.
And we think this is quite important as well for the future,
because you've seen in many areas of the world,
content is being censored continuously.
And that's exactly what we focus on.
So we currently focus on decentralization, freedom of speech.
We have an on-chain hosting service that is called Dweb.
This allows anyone to host their data, their websites directly on-chain
with the domain resolution that is also completely decentralized.
So if you have a platform that is running on our chain,
you can essentially be completely free from any type of censorship anywhere in the world,
even if you get personally taken down by a government and out of this world tomorrow,
your website will still be online forever.
And I think that's important because if we want mass adoption, we need to make sure that there is something for people to adopt that is not censored by anyone.
And that's a big problem in Web 3 because a lot of people want to take us down.
Exactly, exactly. It's always being like that, thinking about the previous cases with, for example, Uber or something similar. Imagine nobody actually wants the change, but sometimes the change out there is a necessary thing. And I want to dive deeper into basically the AI game changer out there. That's why I was a bit focused on this during my previous question to you, Daniel. And I think regarding the
now these parts I want to talk to actually the Tom so can AI save the day so
AI is wild man like GPT is writing my intros for for basically the show and
definitely becoming a part of our world more and more look at all of these Twitter
things with like anime stuff in there like people are creating their pictures out
there and so on and so forth so Tom how could AI juice up
the protocols at protocol's IO, for example, to make them like dummy proof or more accessible to newbies.
What you think? What you got to add from your experience?
Okay, that's a very comprehensive question.
I think there is a few perspectives I can propose here.
So from the use case, what we have right now, like build and fully functioning,
is we have an engine for determining the context of ticker mentions.
So for example,
Not every single ticker mention by the KOL on Twitter means that the KW is calling a token, right?
Because sometimes, let's say he posed a Bitcoin TA analysis, right?
So it's not a call. It's not something that can go 1020X up.
It's a mention.
Let's say there is a protocol hack and that protocol has a token.
And then the KOL says, don't touch this token.
Let's say WBTC because something just got hacked.
So it's not a call, it's not a mention, it's a warning.
So what I'm trying to say is AI becomes very useful when it comes to recognizing the context.
and then potentially guiding the user.
Another thing that we are building right now,
it's, and I feel like that's very interesting because I believe the future of interacting with data in general
it's going to be through either agents or personal assistance,
and the way that's going to function, and you can already see it in some big mainstream apps, like for example, whoop.
I don't know how many of you guys go to the gym, but if you know there's this small
band that you pull on your wrist and you have a personal app that collects all your help
data.
And then you just get suggestions and you can ask questions.
There's like a child GPT kind of model built in.
So you ask questions and you say, hey, whoop, maybe what's my sleep depth or how many hours
should I sleep next night?
Or what's my calorie intake and all that stuff.
Yeah, it's just like a personal dashboard for you, personal agent.
So that's definitely a very interesting approach to like essentially achieve better results
for your client because it's no longer based on general knowledge.
It's based what the system, the agent kind of knows about you already.
Plus the system is constantly learning about you, which means that it can provide like
more accurate answers.
Models is there.
Another very interesting touch point is when it comes to AI, I've seen that since, for
example, for cables, right, all the cables are using AI right now.
The thing is, since anyone can create posts so affordlessly, it kind of like reduce the
value of the common posts.
Because if anyone can do it, anyone can do it, it kind of loses its value.
So now the game becomes about how to be authentic.
and i feel like that's the future of creative industry in general um and it's definitely gonna like
a i is gonna play a role right right there but i think people will eventually want to come back
to these authenticity and that's that's something that's very hard to fake with ai i feel like
until we can get ai to like be at the point where it's so hard to recognize this and a human
People will still circulate and brands will also want to work with creators.
They're authentic that, let's say they are docks, you know?
Exactly.
And that put effort in their content.
So whatever creators, like maybe you have here, some people that want to be created in the future,
if I were to become a cable tomorrow, I'll be docks.
I'll work maybe with five projects per year, maximum.
I'll make sure I'm super legit and I'm actually sharing who I am and I'm putting effort into my content.
Because from a person that also, from perspective of the person that also runs these campaigns,
these people can charge crazy amounts.
And I don't want to throw numbers, but it's high five figures, for example, a month.
Just because they are dogs, they have good reputation, you know.
So, yeah.
Tom, I love the way you frame it around the gym example.
So it's the new era and the new way of businesses interacting with their customers.
Actually, they training like and actually can educate their people inside of the teams on the points.
For example, like, okay, this is...
the way we can actually personalize the experience per each customer out there.
And that's exactly where AI is stepping in.
Daniel, I'll see your hand.
What's up?
What's up, my man?
What you have to add to the Tom's thoughts out there?
Yeah, I have a couple of points on this as well because I'm working on some of them in my free time.
Number one on the KOL side, I think we need to keep KOLs accountable.
A lot of them like to delete data about predictions that they make or certain things that they say about the market as far as it's comfortable for them and keeps them getting clients and scamming people around the market.
I think this is something that can be solved.
extremely easily with AI, just by simply tracking all of their information, all of the data that
they put out there, all of their YouTube videos, all of their tweets, analyzing the information they
give out and then keeping a track record of the things they said just to see what the PNL is
if you actually follow their advice.
That's a really easy way to do it.
Number two, AI can actually help in a lot of other ways just for the Web 2.5 audience.
Most of the people that are warming up to our market,
but don't really know how to get into it.
They don't understand lending and borrowing.
They don't understand leverage trading.
They don't understand perps.
This is a place where you can actually use APIs from a plethora of places like Defi Lama, like Dexcreener, coin gecko, many other places or directly from platforms themselves.
So you can train an AI to give people some sort of advice on the things that they should be doing around the market or at least doing risk level assessment on different types of investments.
this is something that can be massive.
For the people that join our market and they see these tens, not tens of thousands,
but thousands of different protocols with different strategies, they don't know what to do.
This could definitely be something that can help with mass adoption down the line.
It's a good one.
Tom, I see you have something to put aside out there.
What's up, my man?
Drop it.
Drop it like a start.
I want to drop some response to what Daniel said.
A good thing is because we have a very comprehensive software.
I don't want to show the software on here live because that's not the point.
But we do track all the past kind of activity of the KOLs.
And in fact, like Daniel, if you're interested, I can give you a full explanation later
on the line.
Just in the past two days, we analyzed 11 million of posts from X.
We also track Telegram. We also track Twitter.
Sorry, YouTube. We also track the precision of KOL token calls.
So you can track their win ratio, which usually means that if they call tokens and they go up, they have a legit community.
you can check what kind of projects they worked with and what's the average support time
very important metric for any kind of project guys you want to work with the kowls that
support projects no matter what so very often what you see is you give allocations to these
kowls when you pay them and then what kind of ends up happening is things go wrong and we all
know because we are in web free that sometimes it happens and it's just a part of the game right
but if you have the wrong kos they'll just abandon you and that's pretty much it
While the guys that are with the project, no matter what is happening with the price,
this is what you want.
What we are working right now, which is also very interesting from the marketing standpoint,
it's adding referral links, so you can also track the conversion.
Right now, I'll say the only types of projects that actually work with this kind of business
model are either exchanges, since they measure the volume and they pay per volume.
Exactly.
And trading buzz, right?
But I can tell you that KOLs don't want to include links in their content at all.
like they just don't want to do it you know and that's one of the features that animoka asks us
for because they they measure a lot of micro creators and they want to see who converts better
by the way a lot of micro creators meaning between let's say one to five thousand followers
they are way better in conversion than big guys meaning 50 500 50k followers and um just to close this up
We have also a system to like recognizing these good KOLs.
There's a scoring system.
We also collect all the big follows from notable accounts,
which becomes relevant because
You know, anyone can buy bought the traffic or run ads for local regions to increase the number of followers.
But it's very hard to fake the mutual followers.
So even for a test, if you guys follow a lot of people from the space, try to research a few cables on Twitter and see who else from your network is kind of following them.
And usually it's a very good kind of benchmark when it comes to understanding if they're relevant or no.
Because if they are followed by BID accounts, it usually means that, yeah, they met her in a space and they are powerful.
And to take it to the next stage, you need to measure if these accounts are actually interacting with the content of that scale.
Because very often, if you think about it, you give someone a follow and then you just stop giving a fuck, right?
Because sometimes it just happens.
But if that kind of, we call it notable followers and then notable engagement, which is, you know, engagement is not equal to the other engagements.
A good one. It's a good one, Tom. Definitely, definitely.
Sandy, I would love to get your perspective towards, like, for example, could I make managing a
Web 3 identity with Unstoppable so easy? We don't even think about it.
Like creating like email address or something like this. What's your thing from this standpoint?
And also the cool thing you recently mentioned during our talk that
Sandy actually published a book and afterwards to actually make the book kind of alive after it's actually getting published
there is AI agent connected and also providing some additional info regarding it.
So Sandy, what's your take on the AI and can help with, for example, in managing the identity for unstoppable and so on and so forth?
It could be broad. Tell us.
Well, first of all, I'll just say that I think AI plus blockchain is the powerhouse couple.
I think that there are so many benefits for using blockchain with AI.
I recently wrote an article about a couple of AI agents that I thought were really powerful
because they brought both AI to the equation, but also they brought blockchain to the equation.
One was an AI trading.
agent, which I thought was really cool.
It helped you to really understand how to trade in crypto.
Mostly, this was on Solana feeds.
It was really cool because they had an orchestrator that was kind of like the brains, just like you would if you were in a trading house.
They had a data aggregator to aggregate all the data.
They had an analyst agent that enabled you then to synthesize that data into doing something actionable.
a trader agent that then signaled real trades and then a risk manager, right?
Everybody needs a risk manager.
Exactly.
Another great example of an agent was with Goat Gaming.
I thought this was really cool.
So in Goat Gaming, they have an AI agent that learns how you play the game.
And, you know, I'm a gamer.
I used to run a million-person female gaming group.
And you don't want to quit, but you have to sleep, you have to eat, you have to work.
And so what they created was these alpha goats, which are an agent built on blockchain, so it learns your style.
how you play.
And if you want, it can continue to play into the night with your style
so that you can continue to earn money if you're playing a play-to-earn game.
Exactly.
And then you can also compete against your own agent.
You can compete against tournaments.
And I thought that was really super cool.
And then, of course, I did do my own agent, which I think is really powerful for my book.
I wrote a book called AI First, Human Always, and I thought, well, if I'm going to be AI first, I have to live AI first.
So I created an agent, and what the agent does is the agent not only takes knowledge from the book and shares it if you ask it questions, but anything else, other research that I do, other things that we do, I put in there too, so the agent is constantly learning.
So it's actually even more updated than the book.
And I learned so much. I tried, you know, 17 different agent platforms to build it.
I think in this space you have to play to, you know, make things really happen.
Now, from the unstoppable side, we are using AI in multiple, multiple ways.
We've had AI agents help us with support.
Our customer staff has actually gone up.
We're answering about 30% of our questions.
with an AI agent.
We're using it for code documentation
because what engineer wants to document their own code.
We're using it for marketing,
for creation of images, for videos,
We're using it to punch above our weight class.
We are a startup. We are a unicorn.
But you can always do more with less people if you've got AI agents working for you.
And in fact, one of the challenges I gave to my team is I want everybody to have an AI agent working for them by the end of the year.
Exactly, Sandy.
And the super cool point you mentioned in there, if you want to be AI first, you should
live AI first.
And that's exactly the vibe.
That's exactly the vibe.
And from what we see like in the real world, and I want to right now discuss more regarding
who's leading this change actually.
So big brands like Nike, Starbucks are deep in their toes in the NFTs and crypto payments
and so on and so forth.
Are they actually the ones who drag the web screen into mainstream?
Or it's going to come from somewhere else like startups, governments, from what we see after the
Trump election and this strategic reserves out there in cryptocurrencies.
And my question is to you, Daniel, what's the one maybe use case like gaming or shopping
that master chain could nail to hook people without them even noticing?
What you think about it?
I think it's a quite close topic to what you might relate to.
Yeah, for sure.
I think the first thing that we have that will hook people without them even noticing
is the fact that they can host websites on the web.
So they basically have a one-time fee fully refundable.
They don't have to pay hosting fees.
Any website can be hosted on there.
People would not notice that it's hosted on chain at all.
It would not change anything to them, but the website would be 100% secured.
From a broader point of view, I think,
Ultimately, governments will be the ones that dictate how far the Web 3 adoption goes.
Because if they start integrating them into our daily lives into things that we do, how we pay our bills, how we pay our subscriptions, how we do certain things in life,
that's probably going to dictate where the general economy goes.
I think for now, governments, massive hedge funds, they're dipping into Web 3 because they don't want to miss out.
They want to make sure that it's not just the general public and retail investors that get a piece of this, but that they have a huge share of it just in case it goes parabolic.
But ultimately, I think it's going to be the higher ups, the great powers, the new world order that is going to dictate where this goes.
Gotcha, gotcha, and I totally agree with this point.
I totally agree with this point and it's exactly what most of the big brands are trying to do in there.
They're trying to jump in into this mainstream and actually make some, I guess, some profits out of it.
Like, I see this as basically,
some way to attract additional audience that they previously haven't tapped into to actually see their brand.
Okay, it's kind of the way to actually build the brain loyalty out there.
And I think it's the most important part.
And Daniel, if just out of my mind, if you can work with one huge brand out there, whatever, Nike, Starbucks, Microsoft or whatever, which one you will prefer to work with and why?
Oh, that's a good question. Which one would I work with?
I would probably work with the gaming industry because it's something that would tie quite well into us as well.
The first one that I think of is probably Steam and the CSGO, for example, or CS2 at this point, Counterstrike Global Offensive and their skin marketplace.
This is something that could be easily integrated into the blockchain that would give them a lot more validation, a lot easier ways to authenticate everything and make sure that there's no duplicates for their skins.
and people would keep using it and there's a massive multi-billion dollar per year business that is running under there.
I would love to work with someone like that.
Yeah, it's actually a good one.
And for all of those gamers out there, if you like to play games, guys, you should definitely follow the messaging, follow the Daniel because you definitely can...
catch up with this trend and so on and so forth and guys if you want this team to actually get
partnered up with the master chain guys um tag this team down there in comments who knows
maybe this small movement will get into something big what's you think daniel could it
I hope so.
I think from a decentralization point of view,
we're kind of straying away from it.
I think a lot of projects are focusing more on capturing VC money,
trying to launch a token, trying to see how that goes,
trying to get hype in the market.
And a lot of them are forgetting about the core principles
of why we started getting into the blockchain in the first place.
With the 2008 crisis, not trusting banks,
wanting a decentralized way to exchange funds,
That was the origin of it.
And now we're stepping away from it again and moving into hype.
So I think on our side, it's important for us to make sure that we're on a straight path,
that we keep everything decentralized, including front ends, back ends,
everything related to projects so nobody can take us down.
And we can keep continuing this movement that we've had for the past 15 years or more at this point.
Exactly, exactly.
So the main thing out there, I think, is the real life change.
which is like from my experience should be mostly seamless out there.
And regarding the seamless, what I'm talking about is so important for,
imagine like how CHAPT was integrated in our lives or how, for example,
some image generation things out there actually appeared to us and immediately became a
part of our daily routine. For example, it's if I can
speak or type something to the eye and it's actually providing me with I don't know like the
prototype or the my idea visualized out there so I think this is the most and the like the crucial
part of it's becoming seamless it's becoming like really integrated in our lives and
exactly as Sandy mentioned, I think she wrote to me right now that she
having trouble with connecting back to the space, something happened out there.
But exactly what she mentioned, it's
basically super important to live it out there.
And if this power couple, the Web3 and AI
is actually getting married out there, sorry about
words out there.
So if the Web3 and AI can actually integrate with each other deeply,
So I think it's exactly what's needed towards the mass adoption to come to it and
jump in towards decentralized trading, towards understanding the dolls, providing them like
imagine if there's like super intelligence sitting behind your back.
And actually now you don't need to be super involved.
You just need to be provided with necessary information that you actually need to make a decision or to interact with the protocols or something else out there.
So and also the cool part is what type of future are we looking into.
So imagine the web three in 10 years.
Are people using it without even knowing it's wet 3 or like how we use the internet right now?
How do we get there?
Daniel, what's your thinking towards it?
Because recently I was talking to Outlier Ventures out there and they're heavily betting
on the post-web era in there.
So when we're not using our mouth and keyboards.
out there to actually interact with the computers and so on but the AI agents is actually
achieving the work that we previously been doing demandedly so daniel what your take
towards the web three in 10 years and how we can get in there
Yeah, it's definitely going to be interesting.
I have some buddies at Outlier Ventures as well.
I have to get back in touch with them and see what they're up to.
But yeah, for sure.
I think in 10 years, hopefully if God wills and if everything goes well with Web 3,
we should be seeing...
a lot better ux we should be seeing a lot better experiences for people that are just getting into the
space so they don't have to deal with all of these different technologies that they have to integrate
into they don't have to deal with 75 different wallets they don't have to deal with understanding
27 different main blockchains that they need to invest into or not invest to where to buy gas
where to perform their transactions what the gas fees are
I think all of this will have to disappear eventually.
From a practical point of view in 10 years, I would hope at least that from the RWA space,
for example, we would see much easier integrations of very simple things, like for example,
buying properties in a decentralized way, having a pool of people that can buy a property,
and then having an easy way for them to split dividends.
We're also working on features that can help with this.
So for example, having automated payments fully on chain with no outsider triggers.
This could essentially allow for people to buy properties and receive their dividends without having to rely on any centralized infrastructure.
People could pay their rent for their apartments automatically with crypto without having to rely on any outsider services.
This is where I see it going, making things easier, less bureaucratic, less government.
guided and more in the hands of the people.
Exactly. I totally agree with you. Totally agree with you.
And I also see, like, Audrey, you just requested to speak and I decided that it can be a cool,
an interactive moment out there.
To actually, maybe you have some questions to me, to Daniel, or just want to add something towards the imaginary web 3 in 10 years.
Drop it like it's called, Audrey. Floor is yours.
Hey, well, I'm a venture capitalist and I'm building 100 blockchain-based AI startups here in Reno, Nevada, all consumer facing. So this is exactly perfect right now. The number one key to mainstream consumer adoption is to make it as easy as they use email. They don't know how email works, but they use it every day.
And the payments piece, especially things for like homeowners association votes and shareholder votes and all of those things that are that they do right now on paper or in person, all of those can be decentralized on blockchain.
That's a super easy way to get everybody involved and get them to start using it and trusting it.
That's the biggest piece.
Right now a lot of people are afraid of.
quote-unquote crypto. So the key is to drive blockchain adoption first and then start moving
into the more decentralized peer-to-peer payment space.
It's a good one, Andre, and I want to double tap on the point that you mentioned out there.
So imagine, there's a lot of people is actually confused because of the friction of the wet three itself,
of this kind of nerdy protocols out there, which you need to actually dive deep into to actually interact with.
So do people need to care about detach under the hood, or do we, shall we?
hide all of this protocol complexity to win them over. What's your thing?
I think we need to definitely stop talking about it.
That's the biggest piece right there.
You know, we really, what we need to do to get mainstream consumers excited
is to just talk about why it benefits them.
You know, how does it work at a technical level
where you're talking to people who are tech-friendly or crypto-friendly,
but literally why does it make it better for them
and use small words, fourth-grade language, seventh-grade language,
You know, email works. Why? Because you put somebody's address in, you press a button, and they get it in seconds. That's why it works, right? Just like they sold the iPod, a thousand songs in your pocket. That's how we have to look at how are we going to drive mainstream consumer adoption? Because they really, most of them, to be honest, they don't want to know. They just want to know it works. So our responsibility as an industry is to make sure that it works safely for them.
Exactly, exactly. I love the way you actually compared it with what Apple done in previously. Okay, it's it's not about like, okay, we have this amount of storage and this and that, how most of the, like from what I see at least, most of the web three oriented brands are presenting themselves. It's more about, okay, if it's decentralized exchange,
You do not say that, okay, you can trade cryptocurrencies in their in decentralized manner.
That's what we're providing to our customers out there.
It's not about it.
It's about, okay, guys, if you want to be with us, if you want them to be part of the change,
come on, jump in there and invest in some, for example, the meme coins out there,
become the huge gainers and so on and so forth.
No, see, so.
That's the problem. That's how they're getting rugged. Tell us. Oh, my God. Okay, so here's why. So if you look at the meme coins, yes, they're getting it because it's kind of like a rally and it's a little more like gambling, but they're building the community around it. The problem is you have all these private WhatsApp groups that are like, we've got the next greatest thing and they're total scams or the decentralized exchanges.
Right.
For like a hundred bucks, you can spin up a decentralized exchange.
Unfortunately, that means that they can drive people there.
Everything looks like it works, but then they can turn off their wallet
because it's actually not really decentralized because the platform itself,
the smart contract itself, is owned by one entity or one person,
and they can turn off your ability to withdraw.
So I'm doing an investigation right now for a client.
I do due diligence.
I'm lovingly known in the industry as the bitch that says no.
because that's, I mean, and I've earned that. I mean, I do a lot of due diligence for family
offices and hedge funds and other VCs, especially early on since 2017, where they want to invest,
but they don't know what they're looking at. And a lot of times I'll come up,
I'll be like, that's four pieces of open source software with a pretty front end. There's no IP
to protect, and anybody can spin up an identical competitor, you know, in 20 minutes, basically. So you have to
teach them what to look for. You have to teach them because they go into these groups and they think
I'm first, I'm early, I'm special, and I'm going to make, you know, this is going to be generational
wealth and I'm going to put all my money in it and they get some early returns and they go,
oh, this is great, this is fabulous, right? And then they put in their life savings, like $400,000.
It's all the money they got, this one client I'm talking about. She's got breast cancer.
Right.
Like she was just trying to leave money for her family.
Now in her locked account is $1.2 million.
She can't touch it, but they can.
So they can literally stake her funds and they can be earning the rake off it, even if they're not stealing it.
A lot of times they just steal it.
And it's, you know, so they have to know what they're looking at.
So we don't want to encourage consumers to naively go out and start putting their money on these centralized or decentralized or fake exchanges.
We need to teach them the due diligence piece for the investing.
That's why I'm going after use cases that don't require crypto.
They're just blockchain based.
And that way they learn to trust, but they also learn how to use.
And once they get to that point, then they're much more educated to be able to take on this crypto revolution and really, you know, take back all of the financial power back to we the people.
It's actually a good one, Audrey, and I love the way you framed it.
And for everybody listening out there, guys, it's more about doing your own research before
jumping into random pyramid schemes, which you don't even know who are organizing this.
So, and it's a super important point out there.
And it's exactly what, for example, Tuki I.O can help you with.
It's more about doing the research.
and then making the educated decision on what you want to be with
or want to be a part of as an investor, as a holder of some token and so on and so forth,
or not, that's the main thing.
Ordiya, I want to jump into Daniel and also involve him in this discussion.
So, Daniel, what's the wildest things you were dreaming up with the master chain
that could make Web 3 invisible but essential, like electricity, for example?
What should think of it?
Yeah, that's a great question, man.
As I said, it's making everything in the blockchain that is so complicated as easy as opening your Instagram account.
I think we haven't gotten there.
And I think to some degree in Web 3, we're really lacking that.
It's going to take quite a bit of time.
When I talk to various companies as well, VC funds and other companies like that, I often feel like they're not focusing on the right things.
And I feel like we're working towards things that people don't need for a big chunk of Web3.
So that's what we focus on.
If Web2 managed to allow people to host websites on the internet, we want to allow people
to host websites on the internet that can't be taken down by anyone.
That's the Web3 edge that we have.
If Web3 allowed people to perform transactions on chain in a decentralized way, but then they shifted into automations and various other features that are not decentralized anymore and that may compromise their projects.
We want to make sure that everything can run even if you disappear tomorrow. Your platform can keep running forever.
I think that's our edge of Masa chain.
From a more general point of view, yeah, you just have to make it simple, stupid for the average person.
And we will need big companies to start focusing on this because otherwise it's going to be very hard.
They need to really focus on this point because a lot of them, the way that I see it, they look at the blockchain.
They see an industry that is interesting to some degree because some retail money is spinning into it, but they don't really want to dedicate into pushing the actual features out there for the public.
They feel like, well, why would I need decentralized front ends if my platform hasn't been compromised yet and I haven't lost a billion dollars?
Well, okay, put it this way. Do you need a lock on your house? Why do you have a lock on your house? Probably to keep people out of it. Would you be
confident keeping your house without a lock on it?
Probably not.
So why not secure it ahead if there is a technology for it?
That's kind of something that we will have to convince the entire world about because
the blockchain can help in a lot of ways, not just with security of front ends, but also
with transactions.
The fact that people can have everything tracked, you cannot have people that steal funds and
nobody knows where they came from and where they went.
unless they are anonymous, of course.
But in general, we have a lot of advantages.
We just have to figure out the right way to bring them to the mass public.
You brought up a really interesting point there about the building to make sure that even if a person vanishes, that the platform still goes.
That's always my rule.
It's like if I get hit by a bus, I need to make sure that everything still goes.
Right.
But that's where we have that problem, where you have that, like the one exchange where the guy just left.
And if you have not seen the movie Cold Wallet, go look that up because that's coming to a town near you.
And that explains everything.
If one person can vanish with keys, that is not a good platform.
And that's one of the things that people should understand when they're looking at using a platform or investing.
Exactly, exactly. And for everybody listening out there, it's the same thing which I was bringing up in the start of our talk.
Guys, if you were for decentralization, thumbs up. If you for decentralization, like Binance, buy bid and so on and so forth,
drop your hearts out there or drop a comment down below in there. And guys, I think it's
Super interesting talk right now.
And you already, Audrey, Daniel, you both brought this point thing to the table.
Already, I want to double tap on it.
So who you think driving the train right now?
Like is it big tech like Google or crappy startups maybe or some random dude in his basement
out there posting some shit coin news and so on and so forth?
And guys, who got the edge?
Who got the edge guys?
I think if you look at D-Store, letter D-S-T-O-R, they're basically a decentralized AWS, right?
So if you look at Amazon, they were able to de-platform parlor simply by turning off their servers.
So for me, when you're looking at, you know, things that need to change...
products that need to be out there in the market, you're always going to have some enterprise level, you know, big unicorn that doesn't want you to take their space or challenge them. And the only way that we're ever going to be able to do that to truly have
Sovereignty is to allow decentralization.
So if we move all of our servers from AWS and Google and Microsoft with the big boys,
those people have the ability to turn us off.
And AWS can actually look at your data.
So that's a big other piece of that.
If you're a small startup and you have a really revolutionary idea, just know it's not secret.
So if you put things on D-Store instead or SETI for AI, you know, all these different ways that you can use decentralized platforms in your infrastructure layer, you're actually going to be safer.
So I think that places like D-Store, companies and startups like D-Store are definitely worth looking at and about to pop.
Once people realize you can't be turned off, and if you can't be turned off, that means you actually have the ability to go after a big target.
Exactly, Audrey. And the fun thing you mentioned in there, so what's going to happen if, for example, one day, God bless, it's never happened.
One day I'm going to be hit by boss or something like this happens to me.
So in the end of the day, the couple of solutions out there that already existed is basically I can train, for example, the AI agent to be myself and afterwards, like at least execute for some time unless I'm paying for servers or something like this.
enough money in my bank account and so on where there's actually heard about one startup
that's actually creating a solution where afterwards your dad's siblings it's kind of kind of
bad out there but your dad siblings can get
on board it's it's it's like in I don't know black mirror series in there
but they actually can be onboarded as a chatbot out there
and can actually be trained I do not remember who exactly was this
I think it was some startup incubated by the Microsoft or something like this
And that's exactly what they're doing.
Imagine if you can chat with your grandma after, I don't know,
after 50 years of she's not being present or something like this.
So it's a crazy idea is out there going on and some people who have like catching up with it
and actually make those things.
real out there just making it real so Daniel I want to ask pretty much the same
questions to you but the more controversial way kind of so regarding the regulations
part of the
this now new domain the web 3 in crypto what you think where we going towards
right now and how the mass change you guys I think looking also towards this
point because in the end of the day you're kind of big company already out
there and how you addressing those challenges
Yeah, I mean, as far as regulations go, unfortunately, I cannot do anything to change them.
This comes down to the lawmakers and we see a bunch of funny things from them every single year.
I think the U.S. has been making some good strides in the past few months to make it a little bit more friendly for us.
I am currently located in Europe and Romania and Romania has done a couple of funny things as well,
where, for example, they removed the crypto taxation for individuals for the first half of the year.
I would assume this is probably just for people to declare the amount of crypto that they have so they can tax them later.
But we shall see how it plays out.
As far as regulations go, I cannot do anything about them.
I don't think this is going to be determined by the blockchain.
I think there is a strong network of people that are already organized to make sure that they can get the advantage on us.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just about fighting the right jurisdiction that you want to be in.
And if you're not in that one, you have to abide by the laws.
You can't do much about it, to be honest.
It is what it is.
What we do from our point of view is to give freedom to people so they can host anything that they want on the blockchain to not be stopped by governments, whichever part of the world that they're in.
As a company itself, we operate as a foundation in Switzerland.
So we have a few benefits and we can be quite free with the things that we do because they already have a good legal system behind crypto.
But in general, yeah, it's going to be an uphill battle until crypto is basically completely mainstream and adopted by everyone.
Exactly, and it's a good point that you mentioned out there in Switzerland is actually a good jurisdiction out there and I was exploring it recently to tap into it.
And I have the pretty much similar question to Audrey.
Oji, what should you think from the kind of first person player from the America, from the United States?
like of the new regulations coming in there, of the new crypto reserve that recently
being announced, how does it feels for you?
Because you definitely seen it from, as I mentioned earlier, from the first person player
out there.
So what do you think?
Uh, oh, first off, it's Adrian, Adrian Ashley. I know my name is, no, that's okay. Hey, my name is
spelled funny, but once you spell it, once you have to spell it a few times, you'll never
forget me. Uh, so the new crypto regulations are fabulous. I love the strategic reserve,
the sovereign wealth fund. Um, I have, I have some, uh, people who have been hallucinating
that the creation of this and the,
the rules that are being put into place, especially for Sandbox and
wanting America to be the crypto capital of the world,
that using that we actually may be able to pay off the national debt
in this administration. I think that's the goal. So when you're looking at what you want to do
and how you want to build here, I think the rules are definitely getting better. We also have Hester Pierce
as, you know, the crypto mom, who's the head of the crypto task force. You've seen the SEC drop
their litigation against Ripple. There's, so I see one of the things, here's, so here's the thing about Ripple.
Right.
Ripple is actually our crypto blockchain version of the SWIFT network.
Right?
So Swift is 23% fraud.
And they just kind of say, okay, no problem.
We're just going to call that an operational cost.
But...
But the problem really is the reason that they were so hell bent on stopping Ripple is because then it takes away Swift.
So that whole time during that litigation, Swift has been trying to build their own version and they failed like four times.
And they just can't do it.
And it's because they're not, they don't have the same mindset, right?
They're thinking about how do I build this where I can still keep the power in control?
And the whole point of Ripple is you don't get to keep the power in control.
It's decentralized.
It's instant.
That's the difference.
It really comes from the ethos behind it.
So I do see, especially with some of the deals that I see that are coming out with Ripple,
I think that we are going to have our cross-border payment system move over to that.
I think the banks are going to start to adopt it now.
So that's amazing. And once that happens, and then now you see that banks are going to be able to hold your crypto.
Okay.
Now, I don't necessarily like that. I am old-school blockchain, the religion of personal responsibility and self-reliance and not your keys, not your money.
However, for mainstream consumers who are really, you know, they're going to need...
more hand-holding and more supervision and more protection against
accidentally falling for a fraud,
I can see banks definitely providing that service.
If it is FDIC insured or some other way where if the bank
does something, you know, they'll turn your money off. They will de-platform you. And that is the
problem that we're having right now. So I have big expectations for Wyoming. They're doing their own
token.
And that's going to run the entire ecosystem of Wyoming.
But I feel like other states are either going to mimic it or just adopt theirs because it's got full financial controls.
It provides 100% transparency for all government operations and payments and where taxpayer money goes.
And I see that, you know, Wyoming is a fantastic sandbox.
and a great regulatory environment for every crypto project in America.
I happen to be in Nevada, and they say, we don't have control over legislation,
and I say, you just need to go make friends.
Because, you know, we've stolen a couple of pieces of legislation from Wyoming,
and I'm going to try and steal the rest to make Nevada as competitive.
Better weather is all I've got to say.
It's much better weather here.
But that's the key.
We do need to have the states themselves use blockchain.
Like we put marriage licenses in Nevada here.
They have all the land registry in Wyoming on it.
We need to show states how they can do it.
Now, the best part, and this was, if you have not watched the Howard Lutnik interview
on the All In podcast, you need to go watch it because there was a golden moment in there that everybody seems to have missed.
It's called gratis.
So this is how Doge got in.
they're basically providing and gifting the service to Article 2, Executive Branch,
and they're allowed to accept it without competitive bidding, without contracts,
because it's revenue neutral for the government.
They can accept it.
So if we have things that we know will actually make government better
and the platforms that will be utilized and all of these things are actually going to be better
and drive mainstream consumer adoption faster, we can actually gift...
those to those governmental entities for them to use it, integrate it, you know, put it in there,
and then it becomes standard practice.
So having the government as a client is actually a great reputational thing to get other clients
who will come in and pay you more money.
But I think that's going to be the faster way to do it.
is to enroll them into the idea that this is a cost-saving measure.
It modernizes the technology since most of the platforms that governments are working with are from the 60s and 70s.
They're just terrible, and they don't talk to each other.
So fixing that problem is huge.
It's a great media play.
It's a patriotic duty in America.
Right.
And it solves a lot of problems, but it also drives mainstream adoption.
So that's my take.
That's a good one.
That's actually a good one.
And when I was seeing all of these things with the cancellation policies, with digital euro,
digital whatever currency out there in the world, I think it was the first phase of the interruption of the change happening out there.
And the main idea of it, okay, like people in government,
especially, they was understanding, okay, something is broken out there
and we need to change it, how we can change it.
And I think they right now just getting started
with tapping into the space, which already was existing
for quite a long time out there and actually already making buzz.
And finally, finally, we've seen this really massive change
in the governmental policies like,
all over the world.
And we see the points that they bring in out there,
okay, the financial system cannot be super centralized
because in the end of the day,
one day I'm a billionaire, next day somebody don't like me,
somebody don't like my opinions or something like this,
and I'm broke.
I'm just everything blocked and so on and so forth.
I'm not owner of what I'm actually owning,
the wealth I'm created, the legacy I'm trying to build out there.
And the guys, the, all right, I think lightning round to close it out, super simple.
Imagine, guys, for all of the speakers out there.
So you got a billion buck on your pocket.
One shot you're going to make in the web three to blow the mainstream tomorrow.
What's your move?
Guys, go.
What do you think?
Daniel, what's your opinion towards it?
Shit, that's a good question, man.
I'm always asking a question.
It's my job, my man.
No, if you ask me this in 2021, I would know the answer.
Right now, it's really hard.
Especially in the bare market, quote unquote, bear market, because we're still doing very well in crypto, but it's just so hard.
Because all of these narratives that we see around there, they just seem like trends.
They seem like people trying to capture VC money.
They haven't solidified into anything.
It's just so hard to say.
If I had to do anything just based off of my personal interest and what I work on in the weekends whenever I have any free time, it would probably be AI.
It would be solutions that bring...
Web3 closer to Web2 people.
So the Web 2.5 crowd can actually use everything from us without any struggles.
If you want to do vocal commands to buy Ethereum, you can do it.
If you want to invest into a certain pool, you can ask your AI friend,
what is the best pool to invest into?
You don't have to think of any chains.
You don't have to think of any platform, nothing.
That's basically like the groundbreaking thing that I would want to focus on as an idea
for adoption right now if I had to invest my million dollars somewhere.
It's a good one.
It's a good one.
And definitely nobody can be sure 100% out there.
That's why sometimes we're imagining things.
And that's why sometimes we take in a minute to actually dream about something, about something
big, about how the humanity can actually change the world and change the appearance of
things that we're seeing around.
And it's exactly what's happened with the AI that he was mentioning out there.
Adrian. So the main question to you, same one. So you've got a, you got a million dollars. I got a million dollars. I got a million dollars. I'm putting it into. Not million. Not million. I'm talking billions out there. I'm talking billions out there. Think big. Well, no.
No, no, I already have it.
So we're building citizenly.
And citizenly is basically the ability for all actual U.S. citizens to connect directly with their elected officials.
With that, it means that those elected officials are no longer able to be because using AI and blockchain,
it is fully transparent who their loyalty is to, either their constituents or their party.
Right.
This way their responsibility goes directly to their constituents.
The platform allows any candidate who's running against them, meaning an independent, because right now we have no way for independence to really break in because of party power.
It allows an independent to directly go head to head with them in front of all the constituents that would be able to vote for them.
So they're going to have to earn them.
those votes with ideas, not with negative ad campaigns.
And it's not going to be about how much money people raise that they can buy these ads
and do all of this other stuff.
They actually have to address and engage with their constituents.
And on the second part of that is going to be the donations, only citizens, donating
to candidates, which eliminates the smurfing problem with Act Blue.
And if you look at the money that Act Blue has made, they have $100 billion sitting in the
bank after five years.
just off of transaction fees off of those donations.
So it's a huge moneymaker that also strips party power away from the entire conversation
and puts it back into the hands of we the people.
Then we'll actually know what we the people really want.
That's the part that we don't have right now.
And so that's where I'm headed.
Love the point. Love the point. And Gabi just joined us. Gabi, you have something to add. You have questions to brilliant speakers. Drop it like it's hot. It's exactly the moment. First, a lot of what Adrian said is correct. Let me tell you a little bit who I am. I'm a union leader for the federal government. You see what's happening right now.
I am so earlier today, I probably like an hour ago, I got off the phone with Congresswoman Valerie Fucci and her staff because the Democratic Party is desperate.
The reason why Trump is killing the federal unions because the Democratic Party is abusing us and using us.
The union people are union leaders.
I'm telling you this because I know because they keep setting up meetings with me because I'm a leader and they keep trying to talk to me and trying to get me to get the people I represent.
to mobilize for them off their propaganda. You guys know what I'm talking about, all right?
Yeah, we don't do propaganda. I love that. They can't, they can't penetrate like they want.
So today's meeting was about, well, how can we partner with the retirees? So I'm going to tell you a little bit.
I'm in North Carolina, all right? I live in Raleigh. Um,
I already went to a town hall with my congress member, Congresswoman Deborah Ross.
I'm going to drop real names so you guys know that this is real.
Where last week in her town hall, I went off, cursed her out in front of a crowd of 500 in her private town hall.
I made the news.
I'm not going to post it on Twitter because you know the news skews it for her favor.
Despite all that, I told her my final words to the news, they were like,
would you like any takeaway from why you spoke today?
I say, yeah, I'm a black scientist that does X, Y, and Z, and I know our Congresswoman,
she has a law background, is not doing anything her whole term to fight for American working people.
So I would encourage everybody not to vote for her again, right?
Of course, that got cut and did not make the news.
It's great.
Don't worry, because I have people that want to run.
And just like Adrian said.
The independents haven't been getting visibility because the big corpse have been pushing the Republicans and the Democrats, the Republicans and the Democrats.
So if you're anything else, you won't win.
But I also...
Yeah, but what about us?
The 70% in the sensible middle.
Correct.
And so I want to...
So if you would, send me more about your app because, you know, if I get fired, I already told them I would run against her.
But since you mentioned that...
The gratis vendor, I will tell you one thing that the government needs.
They need a AI tool that can summarize data, make it easy to understand, consolidate different forms, summarize, make it easy to understand, and bring out high level points.
There's no tool like that.
Doge is doing that. They're literally creating the ability for all of these agencies to talk to each other, for all of the, like in HHS, all of the different researchers to be able to talk to each other. But the best part is we have congressional oversight. However,
you watch these hearings and they're like, I don't have that information with me.
I'll have to get back to you on that.
No, no, no, no, no.
Now it's going to be pull it up on a key and AI is going to go get exactly that data
and they're going to have to answer the questions based on the real data in real time.
It's fabulous.
So you're right.
So what I learned is that our members of Congress do have a lot of information that they
don't share.
And I had to learn the hard way.
So this was in the press probably two weeks ago, a Democratic staffer for the science.
tech space hearing committee leaked the layoff plan for EPA employees, right?
They did it in an effort to meet with people like myself to try to say, hey, we need y'all to fight with us and for us, right?
But in doing that, when I was in the meeting, I said, no, you're not going to leak information that you have on who's getting layoff.
You're not going to show that to the press and not show it to us.
And so we requested it, right?
Right.
And they told us that they couldn't give us the layoff plan because they didn't want to expose their staff who leaked it.
And I said, well, why aren't you fighting for us?
And they basically said that they couldn't fight for federal employees because they would lose their seats.
And I knew then that it was time to fight them out.
And that is the point.
You know, really where we're going to see this revolution for blockchain,
you have entrenched special interests, like I've said.
So you have these big companies, they're the ones making these big donors,
they're the ones who are lobbying all of these political people
to stymie our innovation and to put up roadblocks.
And so we are at this pivotal moment in time
where we have the ability to just bypass all of that, fix things, get it done,
and then these elected leaders are actually going to have to work for their constituents
and all of we the people, or they're out.
And this is the greatest moment in time.
We actually can do this right this second.
But it is going to require all of the innovation from our industry
to make sure that the tools that we are putting into place
to hold people accountable for full transparency
and so that the public and our congressional representatives
can actually get things done and do it in the right way
It's mind-boggling to me, but I'm so excited.
It's a good one, ladies.
It's a brilliant discussion that you actually brought up in there.
So the main thing, so the next week, we're going to be holding the...
new space about the US X crypto and guys I think we we got the speakers the
brilliant speakers for this space and Drain Gabby I'm gonna be cocked contenting you
afterwards in the X if you know mine so just to provide you with the invite and actually
hold these discussions out there. I think it's, I don't know, it's, it's a miracle or it's just a Lord sending us the sign that, okay, you guys tapping into the right things out there. And guys, I think this round of applause is
the next one u s scripto so definitely the right thing to discuss out there and um god bless
god bless this world god bless the lord that providing us with the right minds out there who
have their points have the interesting vision towards um
the ideas on what's right now in the US citizens minds out there and guys before
wrapping it up I want to give the word to each speaker each brilliant speaker join us
today
starting with Daniel guys it's exactly the time to it's a thousand people
listen to us it's exactly the time to promote something talk about your ideas
share something about your new beginnings or something else Daniel
starting with you drop it like it's hot you you got them right
Yeah, first of all, now that you mentioned this, God bless the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, we should always remember this and we should ask him to help us make better decisions in crypto and not focus so much on scams and rock pulls.
So let's hope that we can actually have some technology that people need in their daily life and that can help them in a tangible way.
That's my main message for today.
As far as Masa goes, you guys can host your websites directly on chain.
You can have fully automated platforms directly on chain.
Nobody can take them down besides the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
So that's my point, I guess, to end this all.
And Adrian, I would love to have a chat with you after this.
Definitely, definitely.
And as Daniel mentioned, Adrienne, it's your turn.
Drop it like it's hot.
Whatever you have in mind, it's exactly your turn.
Awesome.
Please follow me on X.
I would appreciate it.
And also, if you are someone like Gabby, who is potentially someone who would like to run,
then please DM me and let me know.
We are putting together, we are starting Reno first.
That is everything I do, I launch here in Reno first, and then we're doing Nevada.
But then we are moving out to all of the swing states.
and nationwide before midterms.
So if you are someone who wants to run
and you are one of those 70% of the sensible middle,
please DM me and let me know.
And let's launch this thing.
definitely I'm gonna be the one who they mean you first that's what's up that's
what's up in there and guys don't forget to follow these brilliant speakers they
have some brilliant ideas in their minds and it's exactly the word we're trying
to spread in there Gabby you had awesome points to mention in there and really
appreciate you joining us and not being afraid to really speak out loud out
there
have you a thought of something interesting to share with us?
Drop it like it's hot.
Yeah, this is Gabby, and I'm in a swing state, North Carolina,
and I'm a union leader, and I'm connected with tens of thousands of unions in the state.
I know the value of blockchain, but everybody doesn't.
So if somebody has something out there to help me educate the people
that are not educated on the transparency of blockchain...
please send that to me because I want to educate these people. I'm trying to, you know, the unions,
a lot of them that are not educated are anti-crypto, anti-AI, anti-automation. I'm trying to get them to
understand the benefits of this and how it helps our society. And so blockchain is probably the
hardest thing for me to explain to them sometimes. So if anybody has any insight on that, please send
it over so I can share it with tens of thousands. Thank you.
I have a quick way for you to explain it.
It's an unfuckwithable record of what actually happened.
Yeah, I know how to explain it that way, but I need like, you know, these people need YouTube videos, TikToks and stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they need, like, I know how to explain it like that, but they need to be influenced by the things that are influencing them, right?
It's not, I could say it, but they haven't seen it real time.
Those of us that have been in the world know the value.
I know the value of putting the IRS on blockchain.
Oh, yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
Exactly, exactly.
Guys, it's going to be a point of the talk
for our coming space, UX, Excripto.
So everyone listening out there,
make sure you follow us,
you follow our brilliant speakers
who are speaking out loud out there
and making it happen on the daily basis.
Guys, I'm going to be wrapping this one up.
It was a huge amount of...
ideas, huge amount of brilliant knowledge that was shared.
And Andrene, Gabi, definitely look forward for my message.
We're going to be talking on the UXX crypto and I'm assuming you have something brilliant to
put on the table out there and speak out loud again.
Guys, it's been inside their series.
We've been talking about the mass adoption of the cryptocurrencies, about the AI.
And guys, it's time to make a change.
Let's make this change together and we out.
It's a pleasure.
Thank you for having us.
Cheers.
Thank you guys.
Have a wonderful weekend.
