I'm going to play a song here and then get this going.
What do we even play today?
I'm not playing AI Drake.
I was thinking that, but I feel like it's such a dark song for spaces.
I played that to intro the ETHBEN space.
Imagine we get BitBoy to agree to that redacted.
That's what you were talking about earlier.
Wait, is he still coming over tonight?
Don't ever say some shit like him again.
I feel like A$AP Rocky kind of fell off.
Wait, should I just play this video?
It says, I built illegal farms in Survival Minecraft.
Should we just open up to this 12-minute video?
Why don't we just get ASMR jewel rips for the intro song?
Wait, did I play Gucci Gang?
They didn't like my jewel rips comment.
Dude, Gucci Gang has 1.2 billion views on YouTube.
I don't know if I know that song.
Dude, Lil Pump was actually kind of the Shakespeare of our time.
Bro, it was like the Adam Neumann of our time.
Lil Pump is the Adam Neumann.
Adam Neumann is just a glorified Lil Pump.
Electrolym instant hydration.
Why did these songs sound so much better when I was like four months deep?
Actually, I was thinking that the other day.
I was listening to some of the 2017, 2018 shit.
And I'm literally like, some of the stuff wasn't as good as I remember it.
That's why I was re-listening to a race album right the other day.
That album, other than like a couple songs.
One of my favorites of all time.
When I hear No Type for the first time, I'm like, oh, this is revolutionary.
Bro, this song changed the game, fool.
Do you see how much louder it is, though, compared to...
The mixing on this is so much better.
Same volume as the other one.
I make my own money, so I spend it how I like.
And let my mama tell it, I ain't livin' right.
Try to top off the course, that's a headless horse.
Extendo, longest, and extension cord.
I'm all like Jordan, gotta play full court.
And if you're not my type, then you know I gotta keep it short.
You gotta keep it short with it.
What you know about a chick?
What you got up in your pocket?
What you spendin' when you shoppin' dollars?
Why you wanna go flex like you out in the mix,
like you got some poppin' off?
I got some models that you see about the movies,
and they wanna make a flip for the camera.
Yeah, I wanna be Kim Kardashian.
Heard I was livin' like a bachelor.
Babe, this is the only thing that I like.
Cups with the ice, and we do this every night.
I made my own money, so I spin it all night.
And let my mama tell it, I ain't livin' right.
You know, I'm spinnin' how I like.
She's like, what's your type?
I said, I like what I like.
That dude, what happened to that guy?
What happened to that guy?
That didn't even make sense.
My name, callin' all night.
I can pull the wool while I'm bein' polite, like, darling, callin' all night.
I can be a fool while I'm bein' polite, like, oh, me, oh, me, oh, my, I know many women
wanna be in my life, like, oh, me, oh, me, oh, my, why can every woman end up bein' my
All right, wait, hold up.
We gotta do the one with Kendrick.
And I said my grammar can manoeuvre this in the street until I'm
super rich and now I'm super rich.
Assuming this is one that humor is to pepper butter, fly my newest shit.
In fact, a rumor is the way I'm proven it.
You can be mean when you look this clean
Calling on me like a young OG
Your knees getting hit by the street
As it get old-fashioned man
Yeah, baby, I'm a classic man
When everybody feelin' so cold
And niggas get a fit of my glow
I got charm like a leprechaun, motherfucker
Now y'all fuckin' with the rum, motherfucker
Cheap beat like a dumb, motherfucker
And weed on in by the law, motherfucker
You can be mean when you look this clean
Calling on me like a young OG
Your knees getting hit by the street
Elegant, old-fashioned man
Yeah, baby, I'm a classic man
That's all my mama, though
I got verano from fuckin' up
What be your rapper's angle?
But just subliminal bitches
I'd rather finger bang them
Better than nobody drop me
Catch your body over the top
Be the only thing that keep on feeling
I ain't got no jewelry on me
Bitch, I got the jewelry in me
They let me now like they let me then
I eat the pussy for my nourishment
I know how to decorate you
Want to further furnish it
I'ma turn your shit around
Like I'm rational conservative
All I do is lay up and face up
Got no chill for fake ones
They say I'm a classic man
You can be mean when you look this clean
Callin' on me like a young goji
Your knees gettin' lit by the street
Elegant old-fashioned man
Yeah, baby, I'ma classic man
Keep my gloves dirty but my hands clean
Gotta keep the business and the family
Red when I'm fillin' up the pantry
Now my niggas slang cane like a dandy
I'll tell you how it grew
You pull out rubber bands
Cause I pull out a number loop
With the tops in the boots
Should I get it in my door?
Get it, get it in my door
Get it, get it in my door
Get it, cause I lived through this
You can be mean when you look this clean
Callin' on me like a young goji
Your knees get made by the street
Elegant old-fashioned man
Yeah, baby, I'm a classic man
I really need like 30 more seconds
I apologize to everybody in the room
Literally 30 more seconds
You know what I'm about to play
And we'll not get the credit
All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. What the fuck is up? You crypto Twitter
That's what that's what literally my alarm is. I wake up every morning to thread guy saying that exact same thing
Tag thread guy in the bottom right hand corner tell me the fucking bozo
And that he needs to be in this space instead of standing in my room dancing on my fucking bed
But look y'all I appreciate y'all for popping out. It's been I I'll be honest with you
I have no clue what happened on crypto Twitter today. Absolutely
No idea what's been happening on crypto Twitter today kind of took the day off
Um, I should probably start tweeting. I was talking to thread about this before dude. I feel like tweeting on Twitter is too mainstream
Am I the only like you haven't tweeted in five days leave
Is it my only one thing is tweeting on Twitter is like way too mainstream?
Um, it most definitely is but we'll probably have to start tweeting again soon
Um, but look shout out to y'all again. Hopefully everybody had a great weekend and let's fucking get into it
I wanted to do a space last night
But dude, I was friday night. We did 8 000 listens on our space. It was a great space
It was a fun space and then saturday. I wanted to run it back literally
Literally couldn't spaces were broken all day yesterday
So that was kind of an L. Um
But we're back we're back. So apparently they upgraded it
I guess robert kennedy jr is doing some sort of interview with elon and i'm not sure
what the deal is there, but
It's at least good to see them doing upgrades on twitter spaces
If that means that we can't do a twitter space for for a night, but they're upgrading it
Then i'm actually i'm actually cool with it. So
That being said, uh, let's go to coin market cap here real quick
I mean everything's the same bitcoin down 0.7 eat down one percent no big deal
B&b down 1.5 as well b&b actually been holding pretty well in the bear market now
Considerably it's down 50 from all-time highs. That's pretty good
That's pretty good compared to many other things in the space. So
We're gonna have to see we're gonna have to see what's going on here, but
Yeah, yesterday twitter spaces were absolutely crushed
I was trying to to start one for probably over an hour and a half just would not
Would not let me I want to go to open sea here. Do y'all remember? This is nuts
Remember that project I was telling y'all about? Um, what's it called here?
They're oh i'm sick dude. Remember those like sproto gremlins. I was like talking about them for like two three nights
I was like, I don't know what these are, but the art is super interesting dude. They're like 0.03 0.04
Like what the what the fuck is going on? Like it I can I knew it was different
I had a feeling I literally said it on his base
I like the art here. It's different. It feels different. It looks different and i'm convinced
That good art makes nfts pump. I'm genuinely convinced that art matters
Am I the only one that thinks that?
I'm just kidding. We all know art doesn't matter. Um, look
We're gonna go to the the top tabs here for for trending and and so on and so dude
I mean are we gonna sit here and pretend that art matters? I can't even spell art
Um, anyway extreme pixels still number one
Um, the ff600 whatever it is dude. They they hit like 0.3 at one point. I think they're 0.16 now wrecked rats
When I see something like wrecked fucking rats and jungas and milk and all this
You know what it is nfts are back. I genuinely believe that nfts are back
And uh, the reason I believe that they're back is because
Wrecked rats are trending
I think that there's like a bunch of weird degen plays that are happening right now and uh
Like in this I don't know what's going on with the meme coins like people are just not talking about it anymore
What happened to all the people that made pepe their personality?
Y'all know who i'm talking about they have pepe connoisseur and their bio is like they're changing their
pfps like some pepe rendition, whatever it is
Yeah, what happened? I mean, I talked about pepe too. It's not like I didn't talk about it
But what what happened to the pepe spaces? I feel like
I feel like I used to like go on twitter every single night every day, whatever it is
And there would just be a pepe space with 3 000 people running and I don't I don't see that anymore
So i'm not really sure I think everyone got dumped on
But okay, so look to ff is is number two wrecked rats number three jungas
I don't know what these jungas are i'll be honest with you don't know what they are love the art
I actually genuinely like the art for these junga things. I think it's interesting
I think the perspective of them facing forward is pretty cool. They're they're trending number three on open sea right now
The one thing I don't like is the orange background dude fucking orange backgrounds are played out
I'm, sorry. I see so many orange backgrounds in the space now. I i've it's too much
If everything is an orange background. It's like it doesn't even stand out anymore. I i'm sorry
I'm, sorry to say it just doesn't stand out to me. I think it's played out
Um, I think like the original stuff is cool, but now like this is what let me just read. Let me rephrase
I think some of the original stuff that had orange backgrounds like some of the early ordinal stuff
I think is cool. But when random
Like when random projects are like dropping with orange backgrounds, I don't know
I do think that these are supposed to be like a bitcoin thing guys. You see some of them their traits they have uh
Like the bitcoin eyes and things like that. So these are pretty cool. I'm not sure what they are
I didn't buy any so just you know do your own research
Like even like what is this it's like articulations thing
It's just ai this has to be ai no human could could achieve this work
When the art is actually good. I know it's ai
Um, we're gonna move on from that. Let's see
Other deeds at 0.68 and it's basically all the same stuff
Um, I do want to look at ordinals though. I want to go on magic eden real quick and see what's happening with the ordinals
Still mega bullish on ordinals. We haven't really talked about them as much, but
Dude mad lads are 92 soul. Let's fucking go
All right, let's see here. So bitcoin bear clubs i've been hearing a lot about this on the ordinal side
They've done 16 bitcoin in volume and their floor price is 0.01
You got to do a decent bit of trading at that floor price to do 16 bitcoin in volume
So not not sure too much about that project, but but shout out to them. Let's look at the art
It's like it. I mean to me it's like a basically a derivative of bitcoin frogs
Like I feel like bitcoin frogs were maybe kind of the first one to do that's
At least on ordinals like the pixel animal sort of deal, but we're gonna see a lot more of that
Knowledge dude knowledge is crushing it knowledge
Dude, there are certain people in the ordinal community that just like really took that opportunity and fucking ran with it
Like knowledge is one of those people where I guess he was like kind of successful before but I didn't know about him
Um, and then ordinals came around he launched a edge of oblivion and and a few of these other ones and they just went fucking nuts
They went crazy. Those were those were some of the first ones on eth that really did massive numbers
And uh, yeah, I mean both two of his collect three of his four of his collections are trending in the top 10 on magic eden's ordinal chart
The final pattern uncommon patterns oblivion and distortion
So now I also I maybe some clarification would be cool. So there's bitcoin bear. Oh, these are the cubs
I see so there's these bitcoin bears already. How many how many are there? Oh, there's only a hundred
Oh, I see and these are the cubs. I got it
That's why they did so much volume
Bitcoin d god sitting at over one bitcoin. That's a fucking cook
I cannot believe they were a point three bitcoin mint shout out to anybody who minted the bitcoin d gods nuts
Dude, like that is an asset
Like there's not many things that I truly believe in the crypto space that are just like so scarce and so rare
Like when it the reason that I think ordinals people just I really get it
Is because I just feel like they went back to everything being super scarce on ethereum
The standard for projects is 10 000 fucking nfts
Now 10 000 nfts is great when royalties are like the most important thing for a project
I'm, not gonna lie. You have 10 000 nfts. There's a lot of people trading them
You're making a lot of money on volume when royalties are not a factor anymore. Why do you need 10 000 pfps?
At least not day one, right? Like you can scale up to that and I kind of like the model like even with what bitcoin bears did here
Where they start with a hundred and they scale up and I think that's what zk is doing with with ordinal maxi business as well
Because ordinal maxi business as 200 supply the zk sharks project dude their floor price hit 2.4 bitcoin
I think it was like a 0.2 bitcoin mint or a 0.1 bitcoin mint insane
And I think they're dropping something else now. I saw a couple pictures of like
I think it was like maybe trevor or leo that had posted, you know, dk's inscribing all this different stuff. So
I don't know also bit blobs. Not sure what that is
Um abc is now on ordinals apparently
So the floor there is 0.03
I don't know if there's like a bridge or they're burning. I don't know what the deal is with that if anybody knows
Knows more about that. So
And some of this other stuff. I just don't know like sky squiggles
I don't even know how to pronounce this abstract ordinals
Oh, this is cool. There's abstract ordinals. I haven't really seen art really trending
Like it's mostly just like pfps and like collections. It's pretty cool though
What does it say here a collection of a hundred abstract pixel artworks inscribed on bitcoin exclusively on special sats?
That's pretty cool. I like that
I fuck with this one the floor the floor is actually pretty high point three bitcoin
So anyway, that's that's kind of the deal for tonight
Um in terms of like a little traffic weather report a little update
And outside of that i'm not entirely sure if anything too crazy happened
the one thing and i'm probably going to change the title here in a moment is
Apple is announcing their ar vr xr abcd efg glasses tomorrow
And I don't know. I think that's a I think that's a fucking massive thing. So anyway, um, we have a couple requests
There's only three if anybody wants to come up on stage as thread says this is your moment to do it
And uh, we'll get into it here. So let me bring some people up
I'm throwing out some invites to random out to a bunch of mfers in the audience, too
So feel free to step if you'd like I want to i'm actually gonna just fucking change the title here
Let's talk about apple. I want to talk about this ar xr thing
We can talk about nfts here for a little bit until we kind of scale this up
What are they glasses or goggles?
Um, all right, i'll throw it over to chris chris what's going on?
I wake up and think about diablo
I eat breakfast and think about diablo. I host spaces and think about diablo
I go to dinner and think about diablo
I close my eyes and think about diablo
I go to sleep at night and think about diablo
Every living breathing moment. I'm thinking about diablo
I don't know you gotta blame thread guy for that one. I couldn't help it
Yeah, that wasn't my tweet. That wasn't even my tweet
Yeah, but I don't know I I think the apple thing is gonna be interesting tomorrow with uh with thread
So what do you think about the apple thing leap?
Are people gonna spend three grand on that thing?
Is that the price? Holy fuck
So, okay, here's the thing I can either be homeless and have some glock goggles
So I mean these are like really it's a really compelling compelling comparison between the two
Um, look, I mean there's a lot of here's the thing the price of them will absolutely come down
Like just like all apple products I was looking at it's on best buys website today
You can buy a brand new pair of airpods now. I mean they're still pricey but like
If you want the normal air 100 bucks 150 bucks, whatever it is when they came out
They're a little bit more expensive same with him with most of this stuff. They have generations the older generations become a little bit cheaper
Three grand is out of my price range. I'll be completely honest with you
It's it's way way out of my price range. You can buy an entire steam deck for 350 bucks. You can buy
I mean my portion of the rent is is three grand every month. So it's
You know, it's definitely pretty expensive that being said dude
There's a ton of people who buy every single apple product that comes out there
They don't buy anything else. They don't go out. They don't do this and do that
They just buy the apple products and for somebody like that three thousand dollars maybe do a payment plan whatever it is
It's not really that unrealistic like people are gonna buy it. They're they're probably gonna sell very well
That being said you can buy a whole fucking m2 macbook
For less than that, right? So it's
If i'm if i'm choosing but this is a this is a novelty right now
I think it's more so a gimmick than anything
Maybe gimmick isn't the word, but I do think novelty is fair
Because how much practical application of these things is there currently?
All right, how much practical application is there right now? So but i'm excited about it
And I know a lot of my friends that are super heavily invested in ar and xr. They love this. They they love it
This is like one of the most bullish things that could happen for that entire industry. So
Something to think about i'm excited to at least see the announcement apple always crushes it with their announcements
And their their conferences their press releases. They do a good job. So dude apple kind of the goat goat company
So so we'll see. Um, chris
Are you gonna hell no, but I will say I spent I think I spent four grand on a macbook last year and like
That's like a life-changing thing. You know what? I mean it allows me to do way way i've heard
Kevin talk about, you know
Working on a m2. It's like it's way different you buy time. That's what you're buying
But if anybody's spending three grand on these headsets, they're not buying time. So i'm out
Actually buying a way a way to waste time
Um, I was using so have you heard of google google lens? This is crazy diet
Maybe i'm like so behind the curve on a lot of this ar stuff
Uh, but but google lens I was using it today for the first time
It's fucking sick like you can just aim it at your mat your homework. It'll solve your homework
You can basically screenshot any product in a video and it'll find it instantly and where to buy it
You can it'll like instant translate stuff. It will
Like like geolocate. There's so much stuff that it could do. So ar is sick
And as long as these glasses like I guess my biggest question about the glasses and we'll see tomorrow
Is are people going to wear these around or is this like an at home?
Only thing like you're not gonna be like walking around the street wearing these things, right am I thinking
They're probably wait leave. I think that they're not glasses. It's a headset
That like the ar glasses are coming like in a couple years, but this is like a full-on headset
Because I was wondering the same thing because i'm down to wear some dope ass freaking ar vr glasses in the flesh
Because i'm not really wearing vr sets in the crib
But I think it's a headset. I don't think it's glasses
Well, I think that's probably pretty believable. It says apple's long rumored ar vr headset will enter mass production in october and launch by december
Okay, so it's a headset according to investment firm morgan stanley
Interesting. It's interesting that they're branding it as ar vr
But looking at it, it doesn't look like
I mean, it doesn't look that invasive. It's not that big
Well, I don't know we've if that's the actual one though. There's a bunch of like a bunch of like
Maybe this maybe that if what it looks like so we don't know what it actually looks like yet
Well, I hope I hope it's not crazy big
I think my biggest and we'll go to hands here
I think my biggest kind of complaint with the ocu and I have the oculus rift or whatever the
The newer one not like the super new one but like the second newest one
If it's sleek bro and I can wear it outside and see some shit and have some night vision at nighttime
Bro, i'm a cop but if it's just another like sit at the crib. I'm gonna wait for a couple more to come out
Um, I think it's cool because if you can connect with all your other apple products, right?
Like you you can facetime with someone who doesn't have one
I think that's pretty cool. Like that's a cool little
Um, you know adaptability feature to it
But again, i'm not i'm not like sitting at the crib with a headset on so until then
Okay, well i'll throw it over to buckets. I mean buckets. What do you think you buying these things?
I'm forcing my hand here. I have to
Um, just for for work purposes, but I would like to personally thank apple for pumping my bags
And love to think apple just tends to pump everyone's bags right simultaneously
But sometimes every once in a while they pump your individual bag. So thank you very much
But I am bullish for one reason and one reason only
It's it's going to get kind of
Maybe behind the curtain to see
How they're going to roll out the the remaining of their products, especially in this whole xr field
Especially with how the back end looks and stuff like that a lot of people have been building for this exact moment
Not necessarily for a headset but more for the glasses that will come out eventually
So this is kind of just like this the hardware
Basically keeping up with the software and the hardware is always kind of like gonna lag behind a little bit
So i'm very curious to see how the progression of the hardware development will happen after this
But this is like a great first step and like, you know
Congratulations for a lot of people who are
You know been out been waiting for this moment
And I think it's sick. I mean, there's there's so many people just a million articles coming out on it
So many different concepts renditions. I'm excited. I mean, I was reading something that says they think that apple is going to be basically break even on them
Like it's not like they're charging three thousand and it costs a thousand to make them
It's probably very similar manufacturing costs to what they're going to sell it for. I I guess that that's what people are saying
So that makes sense. I mean, I they're not definitely not doing this for profit on the first round
But just like all other apple kind of apple mentality if they can dominate a specific thing
Uh, actually we talked about this in the past. I think the air pods are one of the best
Selling products of all time like out of every company ever like it
I got to find the numbers on it
But in the meantime, I want to quickly throw it over to kevin. Kevin good to see you. I mean, are you buying these thing? What's the deal?
Uh, yeah, definitely buying them
Uh, because I figured I got the tesla so i'll just have the car drive me while I have these on
Uh, just cruising on the 405 freeway
Um, yeah, man, uh, i'm looking forward to it. I'm i'm kind of tired of just dealing with human beings
I'd rather just deal with like just digital avatars of human beings. Uh, so
Really big on this. Uh, i'm
Love the idea that I could just spend my thanksgiving dinners
Uh at my family, uh, just riding a fucking roller coaster like shopping at the mall in the metaverse
Uh, while sitting there across the way while they're yelling at me about telling them to buy eth at four thousand dollars
So it sounds good to me. Um, i'm glad to glad to hear you're back. Uh
Yeah, I don't know go apple and nfts. Yeah
Well, actually spaces. I don't know how back we are today
Like most people are not able to join this space right now. I'm getting i'm not gonna lie. Yeah, there's still bug
I had to back out like three times and then like when I when I joined last the entire screen was black
Just I don't know. It's working now. So not looking great also
So I I had like an eight hour writing sesh with like leah lamar today
Um, and like during that writing sesh, I I started the sesh by like opening a 75x leverage long on ape coin
400% in the span of an hour and I was like, oh dude, like this is gonna cook and i'm like looking at eat
It's pumping. I was like bro. Like we're we're good, you know
Start the session phones away
Uh notifications from kucoin like yo you just got liquidated your position just got liquidated and uh, yeah, uh,
Mark it's not looking great right now leap. Um, but we're back because we keep saying it
Well, hopefully we're hopefully we are back
It makes me not even want to do the fucking space like it makes me not like two nights in a row
We can't do fucking spaces. Nobody can join. This is insanity
This is actually just ridiculous. It makes me not even want to do the space. Oh, oh great
You're just saying everyone here. We're nobody's we're nothing we're nothing to you
No, that's not what i'm fucking saying. I can't do this anymore
I it's been 20 minutes and i'm already at my i'm at my limit here with the spaces. Where's my ciroc?
Where's my watermelon ciroc?
Bro, like what is is this 2010?
It's about watermelon ciroc that people don't understand. Oh, actually I tried prime for the first time
Today and uh, actually pretty good
Pretty good. They have this
They have this flavor. It's called like muumuu goo
And I don't know what the hell it's what's in it
Like I it's literally just like is that what bit boy was drinking on his last stream?
No, it's like it's like a milky
I swear to god it sounds exactly what he was drinking on his last stream
But he wasn't drinking bro. He was
Bro, muumuu goo is crazy though leap like that is
That like I can't believe you like you weren't just like oh, yeah, like sorry guys we messed up on the reporting
It's like a milky white like milky white it tastes like the flavor. It just tastes like um
No, okay, we're going in the hands
Um, we're going over to tetra tetra. I know you're all about this ar stuff
I mean, what do you think about apple's glasses?
I don't know what the fuck muumuu goo is like i've that's a crazy fucking sounding flavor like that is whoever the marketing team on that one was crazy, but
Listen like as far as like the ar shit goes
It'll be exciting to see like what they actually come out with tomorrow
What they're gonna actually say like, you know what the
Capabilities decks look like and you know like actually seeing like what can be built on top of it
But if like you're into digital assets and you're not excited about this
It's like it makes literally no sense because this is a whole world of interoperability for digital assets
And you know on the whole note of like even them breaking even on the 3k
Like it's a little bit harder to tell how much apples actually spent on their r&d for this entire division
An easier one is like looking at meta which is the big competitor for apple and medicine spent 23 billion in the past two years
Like you can see that through their quarterly earnings reports
Uh, they spent 23 billion in the past two years
Extended reality division so like this is ultimately like a play that they're not trying to necessarily make money on today
They're trying to like dominate this multi-trillion dollar market that's coming
And it's gonna be as big as like when the cell phone came when the smartphone came and it like changed everything
So it's gonna be crazy. It's like tomorrow is like ultimately the announcement of like a new age that these companies are going into
It's gonna be fucking like way bigger than people think it's way bigger than this space way bigger than anything
It's like gonna be massive
You think this is much bigger than when oculus initially released or when facebook kind of started going down that 100% and like listen
even meta track the size skirt there
uh, apples like trying to steal a bit of a thunder by
Releasing the whole news on how like quest 3 is going to be coming out
I think in september and quest 3 is going to basically be like four hundred dollars
But it's just that like the quest 3 can't compete with this apple's going for that mass market
Uh, you can use it on a daily basis like that was that is what apple's trying to achieve
uh more on the ai side ar side when really like
Meta's more focused on ar vr, which is like it's just it doesn't really work yet
But ultimately both of the companies I think like that's the big thing that people don't realize
Both of these companies are battling for this marketplace like when you know when meta changed this name to meta
It wasn't because they want to create some metaverse or a game that people sit on their computer and play with
Their vision was to ultimately turn our reality into a metaverse
And you know, they see the aspect of like yeah, we're spending billions of dollars now
I think it was like 13 billion last year and 10 billion the year before and they're ramping up every single year
Like they're spending more and more on the reality divisions
But like the vision is like this is a multi trillion dollar market
Every single thing you're using that right now your smartphone does is going to be interacting with a pair of glasses lenses and everything else that comes in the future
And it's like whoever's not building towards that future is like the people that you know
Basically like faded the smartphone or faded the internet
So it's so fucking big and like tomorrow's gonna be dope because it's gonna be really consumer facing versus like everything meta's done so far
Which hasn't been consumer facing?
I mean i'm ready for it. I'm ready. I mean i'm not gonna buy it again
Fucking expensive right now, but I think the price will come down
I think the price will come down again if i'm going to spend 3,000 on an apple product i'm getting a fucking macbook
Right, but I think again this is for I think a lot of people will use this like maybe companies will use it builder
I don't know who it's hard to tell yet, right?
Like it's like you see it right now and it's like who is going to really use it
What is even going to be the capabilities i've seen like so many predictions today of what this is going to do
And I think it's like all those predictions are it's like good to have opium and like, you know
Like, you know think that maybe like a background layer app is going to work
Maybe you're going to be able to plug into their apis
Maybe you can use like a web app solution
But like none of this stuff makes any sense until we actually see the full capabilities
We actually see it come out and like, you know all the predictions right now are pretty nonsense
But if it does fit into the paradigm of what apple wants to do in the long term
Which is essentially shifting us towards a world where you don't really need your cell phone
Then this is like the first step towards that which is going to be like way bigger than just the headset that you know
You use for gaming or anything like that
Yeah leap if I can give you some I guess background like the microsoft hollow lens that's been around for a few years
And that's basically been limited to industrial applications and companies where
You know, they can use that for whatever you could think it's AR instead of VR
And then I guess when you look at apple, I mean
Kind of it's been known but a little bit more under the radar where for years
They've been putting AR like technology in the phones like in terms of cameras and like things like that
So I think their whole thing has been assumed that they're more bullish on AR than VR
So I think that's what we're probably going to be see a focus
I can't pin tweets now for some reason
But I was trying to pin a tweet that I saw earlier today where
What do you call the other guy who's talking about
That they built like a basketball court or something on site like next to the event center
I guess for whatever demos they're doing
With the press and stuff so I mean to me
It's like two applications to that would be a you know, if you're shooting a basketball
Maybe it helps you correct your shot or be
If you're watching a basketball game, then you know, it shows you like stats or I mean the more obvious
It would be like football when you were live watching it to shoot the first down
But the fact that they're doing I don't think it's a ladder because the fact that they would build
That on site, I feel like they would just show that in a video
So yeah, I don't know. We'll see but Apple's been working on this for a while
And you know from reports I was reading over the years
It's like, you know, it never was really there to where they wanted to release something
And now I guess it is so I mean we'll see if it's a more developer-facing device for now
Or a more consumer-facing
I don't know. We'll have to see
But before I stop, the only other thing is the $3,000 cost
I mean for Apple, whatever this is, there's going to be some app store with it
That's how they'll make revenue
So if they're breaking even on the device, I don't think they care that much
I mean, what do you call it? Console companies always sell console
Usually initially for a loss and make it up on the software
And the whole AR, VR thing too
Like most people think of them as two different things
Like most VR devices today have an AR aspect
Like buy an Oculus and it literally lets you see the room around you in AR
So it can like, you know, make sure that you have no obstructions around you
It's just that usually they're VR dominant with an AR aspect built on top of it
This one's going to be AR dominant with a VR aspect built on top of it
The only difference is if you have a pair of AR glasses
That functions with like you being able to see the world with like a, you know, app overlay on it
As soon as you put a lens blocker on that, it becomes VR
So the only difference between AR and VR is literally a lens blocker
So I think it's like that's the smart thing that Apple's doing
Which is it's not trying to jump into the VR world
Which I think is still really niche
And just a lot of people can't get into
But you can still use the headsets for VR
So it kind of fits both markets
I mean, the smartphone was basically a niche product
So I mean, they always set the tone for new technology like this
So yeah, we'll have to see
Yeah, so I'm actually on Apple's website right now
It says, and this is apple.com essentially slash AR
It says, what if the line between your imagination and the real world didn't exist
With augmented reality, not only is that possible, but it's here
AR transforms how you work, learn, play, shop, and make love with the world around you
It's, okay, I added that last part
It's the perfect way to visualize things that would be impossible or impractical to see otherwise
Apple has the world's largest AR platform
With hundreds of millions of AR-enabled devices
As well as thousands of AR apps in the App Store
And because Apple hardware and software are designed from the ground up for AR
There's no better way to experience the AR
And then it says, AR spaces enhance real-world environment
Using LiDAR to send steps
It's basically, it's actually pretty cool
They show Snapchat a couple different
Some of the stuff they show here is pretty sick
It makes way more sense to me than VR
I've tried all the big games
I've done all the social stuff
I don't see any way in which it actually improves my day-to-day life
Which is what I'm looking for in a product right now
And I think that AR kind of fits that mold
That being said, again, I don't know who the target audience is here
And a bigger question for me is
How did Facebook miss the mark so bad?
Like, are they not working on AR?
Did they think that VR was going to be significantly bigger?
Like, what was it that kind of went through their minds
Where they said, fuck it, like, we're only going to focus on VR
When they were really putting out those products
The Oculus and all the early ones
When they acquired the company
I think it was in true Facebook fashion
Rather than innovate and build something
They go out and buy companies
And then try to build on top of them
And, you know, kind of like see what Elon did with Twitter
When you have to reverse engineer something
It's sometimes harder to get to the end product
I mean, Facebook spent so much money in the past few years
On their extended reality division
And still don't have an actual product that can come to market
That is able to compete with this
Because, like, you know, they're doing the Ray-Ban drops
And then they're doing the, you know, the Oculus drops
They're basically, like, you know, coming out with their Quest Pro
They're coming out with all this, like, random shit
But they just can't actually come out with the consumer-facing AR product
Because it's just, they're not building it from the ground up
They're going out and acquiring these companies
Isn't this new one that they're coming out with AR or something?
Oh, and it's an actual camera lens
That's in front of it, I'm looking at it right now
Hey, brother, what is up with you?
Sounds like you're in a fucking phone booth
Is this better? How does that sound?
That's significantly worse, if anything
Maybe, like, try turning it off and turning it back on
I think, okay, what's going on with my iPad here?
Look, I mean, all jokes aside
I'm genuinely excited to see this announcement
I think it's just going to be a big game-changer
And, like, Tetra, I know you work a lot in AR
I know a lot of artists that are really excited about this for that reason
I know developers and builders who want to do cool shit with it
Imagine being able to walk through the grocery store
And just see the prices of everything without having to touch it
You just limit the spread of germs immediately, right?
They're, like, just small, small, small
Imagine being able to see the calories
Like, you just pick up an item
And it, like, automatically tells you
Like, it logs into, like, your MyFitnessPal
Like, imagine, like, all the small little functions
Like, these are the real functions
That actually will get people to use it
Beyond all the fun functions
That obviously artists and, like, you know
Other companies can build on top of
Tetra, if you know the answer to it
What happens in a world when, you know
We're all using AR glasses
It is whatever it might be
And the GPS is on the road in front of you
Like, you can see where you need to go
I mean, is that dangerous?
Is that even a possibility?
No, but that is literally
So, there's already cars that have HUDs
That, like, show you a little heads-up display
That says, like, you turn right
Tells your speedometer and all that
That being built into your glasses
Obviously, it's not going to obstruct your view
In a way that will make it more dangerous
It will be built in a way
With, like, low opacities
With the right placements
So, it actually enhances the experience
And what's more dangerous?
Having the perfect placement on the road
Of, like, arrows on the floor
That show you where you're going
Or a person who's picking up their phone mid-drive
And missing the highway exit
Like, you know how many times
Like, I've been on the highway
And I take the wrong exit
It says I need to merge in, like, 50 meters
And then it suddenly turns into, like, another 50 meters
I'm just, like, taking the wrong exit
Like, this ultimately, like, reduces
One of the coolest things that, like
Sorry to, just to pick up off of that
Is, like, in racing games specifically
One of, like, the biggest advantages
Is having those things, like, on the ground
Like, telling you exactly where to go
And in that specific event
In that specific instance
Having that AR is just so dope
No, it just got quiet and awkward as hell
Hey, what about if we go to the grocery store?
And you only can see the food
Hold on, hold on, hold on
I think people were not able to hear
Also, again, I'm getting a ton of DMs
That space, like, is not letting people pin stuff
So, we're on day two of spaces being messed up
But we'll go back to it here
Chris, I think it was Chris
I'm sure I was talking over somebody
I was making a dumbass idea about
But imagine going to the grocery store
And you can only see the things
That are on your, like, diet meal plan prep
Instead of seeing all the good shit
You want to buy them, but you shouldn't
I think that's an easy use case
Gary V used to talk about your fridge
That you're out of something
What if you walk in the store
You can only see those things
That you're supposed to eat
Hold up, hold up, hold up
There's no way I'm going to go into a grocery store
Like, I'm trying to see a young lady in the eyes
I don't know what kind of grocery store
Leap's not risen in the grocery store
Look, I'll take it even a step further
Imagine you have these contact lenses
It's not really up to you
You're forced to wear these contact lenses
When you're born, they implant them
There's nothing you can do
They put it in your eyeball
You've got the contact lenses
And then they can just turn off your vision
Like, if you break the law
Like, that is where you're at
Neuralink in your brain, too
Like, all of this stuff is well and good
I just think that it's over for us
Okay, we're gonna go to Hans
That's just a fucking nightmare
I'm a fucking mess tonight
I like the disorganization
The one thing I was gonna say
And I'm glad Tetra followed it up
Am I the only one that's worried
Dude, the space is so fucked
Like, people are DMing me
Okay, this is literally my job
But what I was gonna say is
MFers off the goddamn stage
This is a goddamn nightmare
I just wanna play Diablo 4
Because I still haven't done
Watching Diablo 4 tutorials
How to build his barbarian
How to build a speed build
I blame Jonah for this one
Okay, we're gonna try this again
Buckets, what's happening?
I hope you all could hear me
Yeah, two things I wanted to say
AR is an opt-in experience
If you wanna have an experience
Whatever the AR experiences
Are basically compatible with
And will be in the future
It is an opt-in experience
Because it is mixed reality
It is something that is there
And then an enhanced experience
To give you an extra layer
And whatever it will look like
So it is opt-in in nature
Of the difference between
Because, like, to Tetra's point
Like building from the ground up
The headphone jack, right?
And then the five seconds
I needed a headphone jack
Now, no one talks about it
Because every single other
And they're able to do that
They're actually going to see
And then a bunch of people
That Apple is going to be
Start designing experiences
Of a differentiator there
That once it's incorporated
TKB appreciate the patience
I got some intelligent stuff
So you guys better drop down
They know what's going on here
Saying like you could use
Checking calories and stuff
The only thing you can see
When you go to the grocery store
Is there's little price tags
Like under a million units
With like that VR headset
Does anybody remember that
Because I would have been
In the corner of your eye
I'm obviously abusing this
Kind of sleeping a lot more
I wasn't sleeping much before
Fucking four espresso shots
I wasn't getting good sleep
To take care of your body
Something wrong with my heart
I don't know what the issue is
And it's been getting worse
Over the past like six months
Usually you don't put off
Urgent care or emergency room
Sooner rather than later leave
I was talking about coffee
Would be actually really cool
I could just look at my screen
I haven't really thought it through
But there's a lot of applications
That I'm genuinely excited about
Keep it cool on the caffeine
It definitely can get crazy
So I want to throw it quickly
Because Wolf hasn't spoken
And we'll go over to Bombay
I can't hit Wolf right now
Man the last couple spaces
Now that we know it's the coffee
I mean I feel so much better
You not taxing your adrenals
This is a great first step
Image pasted over reality
Is the best we can come up with
Is the best I can come up with
Like this makes more sense
Like where would you want
And these kind of experiences
Cross over once in a while
Like how big of an industry
Would fucking throw it at
I think that from it from
Bullish on this tech being
Know how it works and the
Ins and outs it's going to
Be great that being said i
Kind of i really fuck with
The fact that it's also vr i
Don't end up like knocking
Into the wall or whatever
Just they haven't built a
Lot of adult functions for
Built on top of it that's
Reality is basically when
You view something in ar but
Then you can actually take
Interact with it so like if
An asset is floating in ar
And it has functionalities
Like tapping something on
Moving your physical hands
Becomes mixed reality and
Complete virtual world and
Extended reality which is
What this is wait what is
It tetra what's an example
Really heard much about that
Ever seen minority report
Where they would like you
Be like pulling the graphs
Apart with their hands and
These holograms but they'd
Actual physical hands like
You can literally scoop up
The actual like object like
Have you can scoop up and
Actually physically do that
Make like a cell phone be
Asset in the room but you
Can actually reach out and
You can grab it with your
Hand so like imagine like
Could physically pick those
Lab and he's like building
That shit is that what it
Didn't know because tetra
Will will never talk about
Himself so i'll do it for
Incredible like artists and
Kind of like proliferators of
Space it's actually kind of
Crazy how good he is he like
Does everything himself he
Codes it all he does all the
Art he's like it's these kind
Of next level and i feel like
People are sleeping on him
So go check out what he's
Doing because they're doing
Some really cool shit and
Also buckets as well shout
Unfortunately in in the nf like
If we want to kind of bring
It back to nfts here for a
Second we haven't even seen
The fucking corner like we
Haven't even seen the tip of
The tip of the iceberg of
What this stuff could even mean
Within our industry and it's
A shame because we've seen a
Couple ar applications or just
Like ways that projects have
Used it as a buzzword and i
Don't know like it just never
Doesn't have needle moving
Power and i'm at the point
Now and this sounds so weird i
Was listening to this thing
Earlier today where it was
Basically this person saying
That they don't really do
Anything if it's not needle
Moving and i'm kind of at
That point now and and i think
Up until i'm until recently
Utilizing like even just ar vr
Whatever it is just a buzzword
And i'm excited for for this
Tech to be a little bit more
Available and more people to
Get interested in it because i
Think even the term metaverse
Can be like a really cool
Thing but it just gets i don't
Know we got desensitized all
These terms so you know i
Totally i think the thing
About that is to like think
About like metas that come
Crypto punch but when they
Did it during that era and
People's copied it and built
Billion dollar budget to go
Examples become really like
You know simple marketing
Ploys or these really basic
Creates this like barrier to
Because it's like okay why
Am i doing all this when i
Can just create a generative
Project and make money out of
Are going to be really dope
Functions coming out soon
Can activate digital assets
Reality that's when other
Companies and other brands
And other artists will see
It and then you'll see that
Again it's just that that
That shows everybody else
Leverage these assets why
This ecosystem matters and
There's going to be so many
Dude speaking of speaking
Our space callous just came
Up and i callous i did not
Sent me i think however long
Is actually the co-founder
Been around for a long time
And essentially a card card
Based game or whatever it
About that specifically but
It up but it's not letting
Me pin anything that shit
Is sick dude yeah that is
Story with that yeah no i
We've had obviously quite
Preparation for you know mr
Lot of different projects
Cards has a corresponding
That obviously tracks and
You can have the ar object
Appear on top of it we've
Made the actual tcg that's
Know playable in a kind of
Small format and ar i can
As well but i think it's a
Pretty big moment for the
Space obviously to see what
Apple releases and you know
Your projects are either kind
Companies or whatever you want
To call them or either getting
Ready for a technological shift
To come that apple leads you
Know and that means having some
Of these capabilities available
Assets that you can use in
Different experiences be it
For a game that's created you
Know in vr or a game that's
Created you know person sort
Experiential kind of content
That's you know mr but for
Parallel yeah it's a tcg card
Game the beta comes out in
July we had our alpha already
But every one of the cards that
Corresponding object and that
Library so that if we wanted to
Have physical cards and have the
Object appear on top of the
Physical cards to kind of
Experience you could do that
As well as the ability to
Create content and other games
In ar mr format and you know
We're fortunate to have a bunch
Of different folks on the team
We're you know pretty you know
Industry industry veterans you
Know and so we just kind of
Continue to build in that
Developing the tcg very cool
Now so one of these days we'll
Have to dive a little bit more
Into parallel because it is one
Of those things that you know
I've known about for a long
I think a lot of people have
Known about for a long time but
It's kind of like obscure and
Sort of like if you know you
Know sort of deal but it's
Constantly doing volume people
Constantly trading so let's let's
Talk in the dms and let's see
If we can we can work something
Out that would be great and also
I'm a massive I'm just like a
Massive fan of card games I mean
I grew up on yugioh pokemon I
Played yugioh at a pretty high
Level which sounds super nerdy but
Mathering heartstone I played
Heartstone from closed beta for
Almost a decade and in regards to
NFTs I played gods on chain from
Almost day one played that for a
Long time sky and we'll have to get
You in there yeah for sure we'll
Make sure you're hooked up to play
The beta with us and yeah happy to
Chat and talk more about it another
Time thanks Carlos appreciate you
Well look I want to throw it
Quickly over to Bombay before we
Do we're gonna reset the space
Again I'm getting tons of dms that
People are not able to join the
Space tonight so we're just gonna
Rock it we're gonna keep it going
Conversation so it'll probably be a
Little bit shorter because I did
Promise thread guide play Diablo
Forward I like it I've been I've
Been flaking on him all weekend I
Actually feel bad so I created a
Druid a druid character and we're
Gonna run it up so also streaming
Tomorrow we are streaming tomorrow
So we're bringing back streaming
Tomorrow so we have a really cool
Idea of what we're gonna do it's
Probably gonna be a joint stream
Between thread and I and it's gonna
Be very different than what we've
Done in the past so it's most I'll
Leave it at that I'll leave it at
That so if for whatever reason it
Doesn't happen it's definitely
Happening Tuesday but we're planning
On tomorrow so I'll let you all
Know and I have a banger video
Dropping tomorrow as well created
By pasta who's in the audience so
Shout out to fucking pasta if
Anybody doesn't know about him
You're gonna know about him soon and
He's just incredible I think he's
One of the most under they just
People are sleeping on him go check
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Bombay yeah yeah I'll try to be
Quick to of course Tetra got the the
The VR headset on the mutant that was
Definitely intentional and super dope love
That just like I like how the Apple the
First iPhone right like it was just
Like improving like everything that we
Need like the calculator on the phone
Like revolutionary right like like
Simple stuff I think that with the
First headset you're gonna just see
Like iterations of what we have on our
Phone that's gonna be available on our
Headset right like just like even like
FaceTime and in like it being like not
Like with the oculus like you can only
Do it with oculus but you're able to now
Do headset with with like the iPhone like
If someone has an iPhone I can interact
Them with them with the headset which I
Think is pretty cool the question I
Have about AR maybe Tetra can help is
Like the people who are building AR
Today like is that gonna be easily like
Synced with the headset is it like it's
All like are you gonna have to rebuild
It to get to make it compatible with the
Headset like I wonder how they're gonna
Be able to like incorporate people who
Are like builders who are building
Already with AR on their headset because
Like you see snapchat right so like are
You gonna have to like to open the
Snapchat app in your headset to be
Able to see the snapchat filter or is
It gonna be like auto synced like these
Typical logistical questions I'm curious
About how they're gonna work out also
Like if I can if I can wear them and
Like it's outside and like it's like a
Sunglasses option like then I'll then
Like that I think that's super cool but
If it's just like a screen of it being
Outside like I think that's that's a
Little bit tough for me to be outside
With it um but yeah Tetra maybe you can
Help answer like the AR stuff yeah I
Mean as far as the interoperability
Goes with like you know past built uh
Whether it's like web apps or whether
It's people that have built their own you
Know iOS apps Android apps whatever um
There's obviously um a layer of like
Unknown right now because Apple has gone
Out and trademarked I think five names
Right now for what they're gonna call it
Like whether it's gonna be called
Reality OS or XR OS or whatever like
Their operating system that's actually
Gonna be running this uh that's like
The best way to know that Apple is
Gonna be like you know launching their
Own native operating system for this
And what it's gonna be called and all
That and I think that ultimately for
Most companies it's not gonna be hard
To port over um I think like the
Biggest part that really comes down to
This is how does Apple choose to you
Know allow their APIs to be used like
Do you have to run because think
About apps as layers now you're not
Gonna essentially have an app that you
Just plug into and you're able to use
It while you're just in that app apps
Should be able to run as background apps
And actually act as a layer of additions
For whatever you want to add to your life
Because multiple apps together will be
Able to build a function of like you
Know now you have your navigation your
Calories maybe your assets are flying
Around maybe like chat GPT somehow is
Incorporated to your life because it's
Like you know a little like avatar that's
Like there to like help you and give you
Answers like there's just so many
Different things that can be built on
Top of each other and it's either that
They're gonna go the route of allowing
Background apps where every person
Launches their own layer takes the
Tech stacks they've built so far and
Builds it into this or they're gonna
Also allow the operability of web apps
To be ran but the thing is is that
Like I think a lot of AR studios right
Now are focused on this whole aspect of
Building web apps you know zero code
Apps these whole aspects of like
Building things on the internet which
Is really cool on a cell phone because
It just plugs into the website but we
Know one thing about Apple they like to
Gatekeep their systems and they want to
Make sure that they make money off of
It I mean like see like the battle that
They had with epic over the fortnight
Situation see anybody that's ever
Trying to go and get a gun against the
Pockets of Apple and how they crush
Companies so I think ultimately the
Vision for this is gonna be if you've
Built an iOS app you're gonna be built
Be able to build into this operating
System easily if you haven't built an
iOS app and you've tried to circumvent
Their system by being outside of the
System and being on some other system
Like a web app you're probably gonna
Have some problems and nobody really
Knows until we see the analysis and the
Capable got it got it and I think like
It wasn't fair to bring up the grocery
Store example like right away because I
Think it's gonna be an entertainment
Thing like going to the museum right and
Then like seeing the history about it in
The story or going to like a concert like
We've seen those videos like of and yama or
I forgot I would say it but like it's
Crazy like like robot jumping out the
Screen at the concert like imagine that
And like they are so like I think those
Are better examples and like going to the
Grocery store and like picking up bananas
But no I think that that isn't a bad
Example because think about it like this
Like from an artist standpoint experiential
Standpoint those things are great but trust
Me the things that's gonna sell most people
On a daily basis is gonna be the better
GPS the navigate the better navigation it
Is gonna be the whole grocery store
Aspect and like how you can track your
Health better it is gonna be like all
The little things where maybe if you're
Also watching wearing an apple watch it's
Like tracking all your sleep and you know
Like like all the little data that it
Shows you to tell you how to be healthier
And like you know your appointments you
Know don't miss this this is your calendar
Like these small things and this is how
Apple does great like that calculator
Example like Apple doesn't try to come
Forth and try to like deliver this insane
World of like show up to a concert and
Have your mind blown I don't think that's
Their focus their focus is how do you
Make the consumers life significantly
Better because most technologies fit two
Paradigms either they come out and
They're a novelty or they're a real
Utility novelties fade you can have the
Greatest time with it for a week for a
Day whatever but they're gonna fade away
When you provide real utility and change
People's life that's when they actually
Start using the technology and I think
Apple's smart enough and they've proven
With their track history enough that
They're ultimately gonna try to serve that
Market first and that's how they bring
Their version of mass adoption and
Conversion because over time they try to
Usually get rid of the last product don't
You think that like a price tag is like
Just a little bit too out of reach to
Even start there like I think maybe like
Apple two three four then you can
Introduce that but I don't know because
I think that right now with the
Technological technological barriers that
Are in place it just has to be the way
That it is like they have to come out
With a high price point and I think for
Them also this is the perfect way of
Having a mass market round of research
And development this is something that
Like for them is both a go to consumer
Plan and go to market plan but also a way
To actually get real life R&D done because
So far we have been already doing tons of
Research and development with our LiDAR
Cameras we've already been mapping the
World for Apple we've already been out
There doing a lot of the groundwork
Without even knowing this is just an
Entire new way for them to activate
Last point it's going to bring a lot of
Hold up real quick this Trevor
Treated out this guy Rizzo was hacked and
He's in the space right now listening so
I just wanted to warn everybody about
That he's down below and he has a mint
Claim link on his Twitter so
Rizzo if you want to if you want to come
Up I'd be down to down to hear from we
Actually Peter who was the Peter guy
That was the big one that got hacked and
He was in our space all night last time
Peter Schaaf or something yeah
The hacker was in our space all night
And actually at the end of the space he
Commented he was like it was a great
That's what he wrote a comment
So shout out to the hacker but
Please don't click any links y'all just
Seriously be careful out here but I'll
Throw it back to back to you
It's gonna bring a lot of people into
The store I think people are sleeping on
That like because everyone goes in the
Store to play with the iPhone to play
With the MacBook and now like this is
Gonna be like drive so many people to
Go in the store to play with it I think
That's a underrated part of of this
Whole rollout I know I think it's a
Good point I mean to me and I kind of
Like what Tetris said where I feel like
Apple at least I think they don't
Really put out gimmicks like correct me
If I'm wrong so it could maybe point out
A product they put out those maybe a
Gimmick but for the most part it is
About improving your lives I mean even
Look at the AirPods dude it's such a
Simple product it's literally
Headphones with no cable and that one
That one little change just completely I
Mean dude if it's insane I mean bro
It's actually genius like it's it's and
It's not like it hadn't existed right I'm
Sure sure there was like maybe something
Like it that had existed but actually
Rizzo is this Rizzo guy is requesting
Up so I'm gonna I'm gonna let him up
Here okay now before we go to Rizzo
Please nobody click any of the links on
His profile like if let's see if the
Account is hacked whatever it is do not
I just DM'd him I said don't rug me
Bro because we were like having a quick
Interaction in the DMs I was like cool I
Should probably not click a link good time
Okay I'm gonna I'm gonna quickly throw it
Over to Rizzo Rizzo are you hacked
Hey what's going on guys no I'm not
Hacked just to clear the air here and no
Okay why are people saying okay well
Let me is is there a reason people are
Saying you're hacked yeah so I want to
Assume that maybe people might think I'm
Hacked based off of just what other coins
Being talked about on Twitter kind of what
They imply and whatnot but I can confirm I'm
Alive and well not hacked whatsoever the
The thing is I don't know we don't know each
Other so I have no idea if we don't know
Each other I mean I don't know you know
There's replies turned off on the tweet
You know it's a little suss
Wait why yeah why are replies turned off
On the tweet yeah so I was just kind of
Told by one of my co-workers just turned
Off based off of just kind of like people
Might fight and whatnot just because new
Projects well I mean you never want to
Silent I mean you work for what Bitcoin
Magazine you're an editor at Bitcoin Magazine
Yeah I'm at Kraken I work with Forbes
A wide variety of articles yes that's true
So well one I mean there's a lot there
Of course on PAC but I mean wouldn't you
Want feedback and people to be able to
Express because maybe a lot of people
Would be excited right like not only would
You be suppressing any criticism but
You'd be suppressing advocation and so on
And so forth I mean do you think that
You should turn on those I think it would
Be good if you turned on the comments
Of course yeah I think I should redo the
Tweet and turn on the comments for that
It's just kind of what happened was my
Manager took care of it so I'm definitely
Unhappy to see that people are accusing me of
Hacks because I definitely don't want to
Yeah I think and you have to understand too
I mean again I don't know what your voice
Is so I'm just taking your word for it but
I still think that nobody should click the
Link just because again and I'm sure you
Understand why secondly yeah I mean the
Thing is is what people are used to when
It comes to it comes to accounts being
Hacked is they'll post a link exactly
Like that and then they'll turn off
Comments like that has been when when
Gabriel laden got hacked when when Peter
Schiff got hacked just a couple days ago
It's that's the playbook hack
Yeah I mean this guy we call if you look
There's tweets he's like always tweeting
About Bitcoin there's nothing saying there's
The project coming out the idea that he
Just kind of tweeted this 25 minutes ago and
You know didn't say anything about it prior and
Is very out of character from the rest of
Tweets and if you read it it kind of reads
Like some you know it just doesn't read
Right so I mean I don't know it's a great
LARP but I'm not buying it
Okay right I mean I'm definitely fix the
Tweet and tweak it up a little bit there's
No problem with that but I definitely don't
Want to see negativity or being accused of
Being a scammer because that's something I
Of course I mean I get that I think when
It comes to this though it's like you
Shouldn't want people to comment it right
Like if it's if it's legit and again we
Don't this our first time interacting don't
Do anything about you but I do I do know
About Bitcoin magazine and Kraken of course
Yeah I definitely I stray more towards
Of Bitcoin and I definitely want to lean
Towards more Web3 community which is why
Me and a group of friends basically just been
Working for the past six months on a
So what do you call why did you choose to
Then launch I guess on Ease instead of
I said why did you choose
To launch on Ease instead of doing like a
That was going to be my next question
Oh yeah I've just heard a lot more about
Ethereum community and what it's like
And I've been getting some insight on
For the past six months I've drawn down
Some notes and I've seen a lot about it so
Yeah yeah Lee do I need to say anything
I don't know in particular no
I feel nervous because like I don't
Know what your voice is and you're up
Okay this is what I would say again
Bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep he writes for
Bitcoin magazine he's saying he's coming
In this space he's been working on this
And he's saying he's vibing with the
Hold up hold up we'll bring
I think do you know Trevor Trevor
I feel like Trevor probably
You probably know Trevor right
Because it's Bitcoin magazine
Rizzo we need you to speak here
I need to do a comparison here
We're doing live investigation
Thinking that his account is hacked
Yeah we were just chatting
How do we know you're not
You're not hacked right now
I could probably post a note with my face
Are you going to post a note with your face
I would say just turn the comments on
Like turn the comments on
I hate to put you in the hot seat here
That's not what this is about
If you've never tweeted about ERC20s or tokens at all
And you're a bitcoin person
And then you randomly post something about dropping an ERC20
And click this link to claim
That's not even how you put out an ERC20
That's not how a token launch
That's how I put out ERC20s
I don't know what you're talking about
Well all you did was put out an ERC20
You tweeted out a link with the ERC20
That's not suspicious at all right?
I mean now that you talk about it a little more
I just got a DM from someone
Why you gotta do that bro?
I know it's not Rizzo dude
Really horrible way of scamming people
You should at least put a little bit more effort
We're looking to strive bigger in the space
Open for all kinds of journalists
Share like with the future utilities
We stand on top of the FUD
What do you mean it's a FUD free zone
The stage is literally muted
Okay I will believe that you're not a scammer
That only Rizzo would know
Because Rizzo and I have known each other for a long time
You know what happened that one time
It's going to sound pretty embarrassing
It's the first time we've ever met
So no there wasn't anything
You were about to just say some bullshit
Let's just take this opportunity
Because I'm not here to like grill or whatever
I think we've established that this is a scam
How did you gain access to the account
That's what I want to know
Because when they got Peter Schiff's account recently
They're clearly targeting a very specific type
They're just going after a specific type of people
How are you gaining access to these accounts
Like honestly you're up here
You might as well just talk about it
First of all we have to do
You make it your own account
You put in your password and username
Ask some serious questions
What's the utility of this project
What are we doing for journalists
No I'm assuming it's like
I'm not just going to guess
I'm going to guess what it is
You're going to pay journalists
It's going to be like a decentralized
And like they have all this different
So I'm assuming that's what it is
If you have the connections
You would not release a token
By posting a fucking link
You know nobody here believes you
Bro you're not wrong dude
This guy talks like a teenager bro
A little scared little puppy up here
Rizzo's like a professional journalist
And actually sounds intelligent
This must be this hacker's
Like came on Twitter space
That they work directly with Rizzo
And that you're not Rizzo
You are a disgrace to Rizzo
I don't know who Rizzo is
Don't know anything about him
Like how you got access to the account
Like let's just have a conversation
I told you how I got access to my account
You told me how to make a Twitter account
With keeping up with myself
To come up here and speak
But you're not bold enough
Are presenting here with me
None of this is a good feeling
I mean see that gives it away right there
Because you've never been in Web3
You're not watching a project
You gotta post a pre-sale wallet
Rizzo you're soft as fuck bro
If you're getting your feelings hurt up here
You're supposed to be a fucking journalist
Your feelings can't be hurt that fast
What story are you working on currently
How is that your journalistic endeavor
I'm working on an article
You're working on an article
We're going to talk about
What would those tokenomics be
For when you wrap them up
What's the tokenomics there
You don't wrap up the Bitcoin
Like what are the tokenomics
Fiscally wrap up the Bitcoin
Wrapped Bitcoin are there
What did I just step into guys
What is going on here man
It's trying to scam people
With a wallet draining link
We already know it's a scam
It's happened to a bunch of people
So let's have a conversation
How are people getting access
You have to have a thesis
We have the real Rizzo here
Recording that you're playing
Is that Rizzo's actual voice
Like there's no other way
What the point of doing this is
Or whatever the fuck it is
Remove you from the stage
Curious about a few things
That's the one specific watch
I don't really give a fuck
and be able to have that scalability on it.
So I think it's the same thing here.
Like they already have the trust of a consumer
from a hardware perspective.
So as long as they deliver,
then they actually get that mass market adoption.
Lee, can I ask Justin a question real quick
and touch what you can respond to?
I mentioned like much earlier in the space
that Microsoft was in the space,
you know, previously with, you know,
I'm just wondering like if you ever use that
and what particular are you looking for
in a new AR headset like Apple might develop
that you think is going to be like,
you know, a new innovation or something
or something you're excited for
besides the general, you know,
consumer sentiment changing?
Yeah, the HoloLens is by far the best AR product
Microsoft just, they're not the best at marketing, right?
And that's not their focus,
but man, they build great product.
And I've used all the Oculuses, et cetera.
Apple usually isn't the first, right?
That's interesting, right?
They weren't the first mobile phone.
They weren't the first watch.
They just, they're the first to set the trend,
The one difference between
the way that Oculus was released
that I think is significant
and the way that Apple is releasing theirs
is the way that we view AR
and how we work with our clients
is already we're encouraging people
to have different behavioral patterns, right?
Using a wearable to experience the world.
Let's not at the same time
also have that selling point
to now experience new content
like VR worlds, et cetera.
I don't think that's going to be
not the first use I want to see.
It's more about enhancing
And this is where Apple's advantages,
like FaceTime's going to be built in
right away to this, right?
let's say the Apple headset
and speaking to my family
or friends with FaceTime,
they don't have to have the headset.
Pretty much when I use my Oculus,
I'm either doing solo activity
with someone else who has an Oculus.
And that's pretty significant
when it comes to just the use of it
but also for user acquisition.
Because if it's a brilliantly designed
well, 30 seconds of every single FaceTime
is going to be with someone using it.
They're going to be like,
dude, this is the most amazing thing,
which will lead to more adoption over time.
this is the mass adoption item.
My, honestly, the use that I'm so excited
It's, I want it to be my computer screen, right?
I want to see like as big a size
of computer screen as possible
and using a wireless keyboard with it.
And I think that's going to be
I already used my Oculus for exercise.
I think they're going to lean into heavy
It should be lighter weight
than Oculus without help.
a lot of AR companies are ramping up.
we're growing from a team of 8 to 25
And the talent on the market is like wild.
There are a lot of people
from a lot of big tech companies out there
looking to get into AI and AR.
it's going to be an exciting time,
but I still think we're like 2015, 2016,
the first time we're really going to see,
you know, 24-7 like wearables.
And even then it's not going to be,
you know, mass adopted, you know.
And the reason to not overlook Meta
is they have a partnership.
It's good Kuro's not here.
for mentioning this company
which, you know, Ray-Bans,
of the world's eyewear market.
Kuro does not like Luxottica whatsoever.
But, and Meta has a partnership with them.
So I think that that form factor
could be pretty significant moving forward.
I mean, I had a question.
I saw it with the big screen.
oh shit, that's a great use case.
Justin, I actually have a question
because like I'm wondering
how you guys are looking at this.
Obviously like a lot of what's going to happen
with the OS being released,
or whatever they're going to end up calling it
from like the names of the trademark.
It's like the concern of like
how are these layer apps going to be run?
Because I know like obviously
you guys have a big focus
you see it as like a low friction play right now
for people in the AR space.
But if Apple does move towards
where they want to bring all of these apps
into a layer-based, you know, system
and they want to put it all
do you think that they'll try
that are doing, you know,
or this aspect of web-based?
Because it's like, you know,
you essentially are taking money
out of like the pocket of Apple.
I think that's how they look
that are not within their app store.
Right now they can't control it
you're getting these experiences
and you'll be able to get
the same ones on a goggle as well.
But if they actually build
of apps running as layers
so you can run, you know,
to be able to like, you know,
build this layer of reality
that you want with the AR glasses,
And are you guys like preparing
launch towards actually creating
just a web-based solution?
So we've built a proprietary,
first of its kind technology
We actually are native agnostic
without our client partners
to upload AR, publish AR live,
for about two years already.
and scalable as possible.
we're like back-end pipes,
without download requirements
to any popular end-user device.
and we're prepped for that.
like, I think that's going
to be the interesting part
I rug for me for a second
they're going to be shut out
Safari as well, you know?
I think like the AR consumer
because like we had looked
into similar type of solutions
to circumvent their systems
and obviously it's one thing
It's a complete other thing
this is the entire economy
It's not even a micro economy.
and they've been so strict
with trying to phase people out
not put money in their pockets
and they go really hard with that.
those type of coding solutions
that everything was portable
always made the most sense
looking at Apple's SDK systems
will work in in the future,
it is something that's like,
it's such a big guessing game
until actually it comes out
to get those functionalities,
it's like nobody really knows
which is why I asked the question
has always been so strict
they are really stringent
we don't work around them,
so we don't work around them,
specifically referring to
such as Safari or Chrome.
into a layer-based solution
like layer-based solutions
virtual little thing that
glasses other people have
glasses this becomes like
more normalized over time
build these digital assets
even buy digital skins for
your furniture so this is
years ago and honestly it's
something like this which
base furniture that comes
then when you buy it it's
already predetermined all
your Wi-Fi is automatically
many dope functionalities
plan but you also want to
whether they're an artist
around the supermarket and
prices every Dorito looks
culture that's what makes
or cell phones to someone
they can't even fathom it
Zuckerberg speaking about
interesting you mentioned
bring it back to a little
it and your clone pops up
of their relationship with
attention to on cyber and
fucking cool as simple as
join immediately they can
are in the room different
changes it's great I think
think it's very early like
years too early like that's
that might end up being a
great thing for them right
themselves now building up
the tech so that when the
world is ready it's there
but at the end of the day
it's a social platform like
it's not really a video game
and getting people to use
social media it really is a
social media platform in a
way and getting people to
difficult so I think they're
going to face a lot of the
same struggles that maybe
other platforms similarly
really good so like their
virtual world of choice I I
keep thinking they're like
the next acquisition target
mean I think that would be
amazing the the thing that
good sorry I'll let others
like low latency on mobile
remember trying to do that
like what was it decentral
land like like board a bar
like I was like buffering
like crazy I couldn't even
get to the poker table I was
like stumbling with a cane
just really really bad it
infrastructure and I'm not
a game designer so I can't
break down specifically why
great but I do know I have
a fucking beast of a gaming
computer and I couldn't run
the damn game on the lowest
graphics even if there was
area I just wouldn't work
possible that I was making a
mistake there's something on
my end but I do know that I
never had issues with any
other games and any other
platforms and decentral land
was just a constant headache
when it comes to that but
speaking of decentral land
I'll throw it over to make
who is kind of our resident
decentral land expert make I
mean what do you think about
these AR glasses I mean what
are you oh tap me in coach can
you hear me let's start there I
can hear you all right so
currently I'm sitting in my
spatial with at least 16 to 18
GLB assets live in my space I'm
using a VRM avatar from my kid
called beast and I'm literally
dancing last week I was a host of a
international DJ battle in the
central land right four DJs were
battling it out and I was using a
VRM or AR asset on to not dox
myself for the event I recently
purchased a penthouse in the
central land in a condo building
we've been throwing some parties
there it's unbelievable what's
happening and the central land has
gotten a lot better I've been in
spaces with at least 100 people
recently so there's that but a few
things one to go to what Justin was
saying earlier you know HoloLens which
was the best AR as AR visual tool was
also coincide being developed for the
American military it is now active and
that's where they got the four billion
dollars to make it and work with it
it's everywhere though I mean I'm so
pumped to see Apple get in obviously a
three thousand dollar entry point is
going to be tough but it opens the door
for a lot more people to accept it and
once the cool kids start playing the
door opens it's all happening in front
of us and it's all starting to take
place every single day I mean I can't I
literally use an AR asset or some sort
of VRM version of a GLB every day and
the more people adapt to it the more you
could jump on a call and be your beast
I mean right now walking around being my
character is so fucking cool it seems
silly but it really attaches an identity
to who you are online now the reason I
like spatial currently more than on cyber
is they started going to using the unity
SDK which starts bringing the more
gamification into spatial spatial has a
fantastic also mobile capabilities the
reason on cyber was still felt a little
behind and I think probably why you felt
behind was they pretty much teamed up with
Nike as Justin said so instead of taking
those avatars from ready player me which
is one of the more popular avatar based
systems that can work in a lot of
different platforms they decided to go
their own way and so I think you'll see
the clones very shortly being able to be
fully integrated onto on cyber and you'll
see a lot of energy so either way we're
standing on the crux of the future some of
us are already here and I can't wait for
the rest of you to come play so great to
catch you come check out you missed my
old space VR penthouse didn't make the
party but now in Decentraland I got
another penthouse come by
thanks make appreciate you and it's good
to hear that Decentraland's attack is
getting better I genuinely want them to
do really well I want to throw it quickly
over to Zico Zico good to see you what's
going on what do you think yeah good to
see you too Lee yeah so I mean make was
actually and of course I of course I can't
hear anything he's saying all right I'm
gonna drop you down Zico and bring you
back up this is a this is a fucking
nightmare this is like the worst space
like literally I can't even hear me
right now I can hear I can hear what
yeah this is the worst it's ever I mean
spaces I legitimately tried for an hour
and a half last night could not start
one which was I was really blown about
that because I stayed home specifically
to do a space and then and then now
tonight like everyone's driving it's
it's nuts but we'll throw back to Zico
all right you should be testing one two
can you hear me great amazing all right
so make was make make brought up a term
that I think is probably gonna be a huge
driver for like as far as
metaverse adoption and shit goes but
GLB files and not to get like too deep
into that but I think GLB files right
now like there's a lot of NFTs that are
supported by GLB files that are hard to
share with people just because there's
no way to share it on platforms like
Twitter or any other platforms as far as
I know you know like you can't see what
GLB file looks like unless you actually
take a recording of it and then share it
through like a video or a gift but then you
know the other thing too is like how do we
know like I think we're all still
motherfuckers love to speculate in this
space right I don't think we know what the
price point for this headset is gonna be
and Justin also I'm with you I don't think
it's gonna be an AR device but you never
know I'm always keeping out that like tiny
tiny possibility open that it could be an AR
device as well however the reason why I
don't think it will be is because I don't
think Apple would want any of us walking
out of the house with that thing on our
hands in public after fucking or it will be
AR no for sure it's gonna have AR enabled
I'm saying it's not gonna be the 24-7
glasses that to wear outside right right
like but and they're approaching AR quite
differently which is really unique and
cool it's cameras that see the world
around you which is kind of wild and also
the the each each camera internal is each
4k effectively making it kind of like an
8k device right I mean I don't know I
still I think that this is so this is so
fascinating to me because I remember a
few weeks ago there were very few people
that were talking about this but the few
people who were talking about it were
pretty hyped up on it and I think Apple
knows how to fucking run with it and roll
with the hype they didn't even create the
hype it's it's everything that was
created around it by other people right I
mean I don't think we even really know
what the device looks like yet I think
these are all I mean correct me if I'm
wrong but I don't until we get like an
official until we get like an official
release from Apple on what it looks like I
think we're still all just speculating but
gonna be fucking interesting and I think
that we're on the cusp of like you know I
know everybody here is a different different
age but I think I mean back when like
before the iPhone was released I was not
anywhere nearly into tech as I am into it
today you know I didn't really care about
it back then talk it up to age or whatever
but I think that we're on the cusp of
something similar you know like the way
that the iPhone was like a paradigm shift for
technology I think that you know I'm of
course fucking I'm biased but we'll see I
guess we'll just have to wait and find
out tomorrow right but yeah I think
that's fucking everything I wanted to say
yeah I definitely think there's a lot of
speculation going on with it that being
said I was just you know threads
listening he's sitting in the room right
now he said he's buying the classes day
one so who knows I think there's gonna be a
lot of people that just genuinely want to
be a part of this movement and want to try
out this product as early as possible and
I don't know I just think it's gonna be
super cool I do wonder like yes AR seems
to be the focus of like the marketing from
what we can see but is AR going to be more
an afterthought or is it going to be VR
mostly I don't know we're gonna have we're
gonna have to see so I'm gonna throw it over
to Buckets Buckets what's up
yeah I was wondering what time is this
announcement where could we see it all
that good stuff because I'm watching that
shit live 10 a.m pacific time and you can
go on Apple's website together perfect also
by the way Tetra made a AR jacket a year
before artifact just letting you know yo do we
want all the smoke with artifact right now
where's artifact where the artifact founders
why are they not that's a good question
somebody ping them all right we'll look
we'll throw it over quickly to bad
brother bad brother what's up oh Zico that
like anything you mentioned it was like
yeah everybody was like dunking on the
iPhone when it first came out where it's
like oh this is a full touchscreen you know
you need a keyboard I'm staying with my
Blackberry I'm never gonna use this and
you know five years later everyone had an
iPhone so like even if the reception you
know whatever that is they'll be using it
very soon but I do want to ask a general
question to you know Tetra Justin or
anybody working in AR space of like if
people are looking you know maybe they're
in programming or their creators or
something like that where do you think
they should be focusing their attention if
like they think this is the next thing and
you know that's AR and this headset
announcement is you know really hyped or
something like what tools are you guys
using to develop these types of things or
like where do you think someone should
start with that type of stuff I think
like obviously like there's a lot that
goes into it beyond just thinking of it
as AR like if you want to be a group if
you want to be good at creating greater
AR experiences you also need to be good at
creating great 3d experiences you need to
be maybe good at doing animations like
there's just certain different things it
depends on what type of experience you
want to deliver in AR like so many people
do 2d AR based stuff or they just plug a
video to it or it's like how immersive do
you want your experiences to be based on
that is like the different things that
you need to learn I mean I would say
like without knowing cinema 4d like
blender using you know basic programs
like a spark for example like you're not
going to be able to create really great
immersive experiences and like without
learning those you kind of can't get to
the next level of like blowing people's
minds but there's a lot of artists who
don't use those who they don't go out and
try to create 3d objects they build a lot
of you know storytelling through 2d so
it's kind of really comes down to like
the actual you know person that's
developing the project and what their
vision is and based on that they can
essentially you know start jumping to
these programs but those that I
mentioned are probably some good ones
to start with yeah I would say 3d for
sure obviously studying up as quickly as
that people can on reality OS which will
be you know coming out alongside the
hardware strictly within the tech space
computer vision if you can become a
computer vision engineer you're going
to have any any job you want and
probably one of the highest paying
jobs at that company and then it's
related I would like we just acquired a
major stake in an AI company because
we're merging AR and AI and AI will have
a heavily influence on AR when you talk
about the personalization of content when
you're experiencing the world you need
to have the AR respond as quickly as a
robot responds not as quickly as a human
response so AI is gonna like it's doing
with every industry will have is heavily
going to be informing and influencing AR so
I would say like that that indirectly if
it for engineers is definitely an area to
pay attention to as well you can you go a
little bit deeper into or anybody might
have information on this how it like you
said you want things to respond as quickly
as a robot would respond AI so on and so
forth can you give me an example of how
AI could be yeah well we're working on
one right now so we haven't like I've
mentioned this before but we haven't
like a done our official like it's weird
because we haven't done our official
press release around a lot of stuff but
so we last quarter got the exclusive
contract to be the AR partner for all of
Brookfield properties so they're like one
of the largest you know shopping center
operators in the world but it starts out
with 150 shopping centers in the US that's
and that's like about 15,000 stores and so
what we're doing with them is reimagining
the entire retail experience from step into
the door to step into a store and that
includes replacing all of their physical
directories with AR without downloading an
app and in order to even enhance that
further it's not just you know should it
shouldn't just be like okay seeing wayfinding
to get to the store but it's also like oh I'm
looking for you know these you know SB
dunks are there any sneaker stores in the
mall that have them footlocker etc or you
know maybe it's something more general and
so all of all of the SKUs are going to be
added to our database and then we're going
to be using you know various AI inputs in
order to direct people based upon what they're
looking for and then over time it's just
going to get smarter and smarter right because
I mean not to like and everyone would have
to opt into this so I hope people don't get
freaked out but if you remember that scene
from Minority Report where Tom Cruise goes
into the gap you know and he's like oh what
you know they're like oh welcome back so and
so like your beans are in stock etc like that
world is very very soon again it's going to
be opt-in but it doesn't you know present an
interesting question for people who are quite
decentralization maxis in blockchain and web
three like if a lot of the content is going to
be on hardware obviously hardware by its
nature they're centralized right is there
going to be kind of a a disconnect there
between you know the ethos of of what people
have generally and what they want in their
you know personal and their personal lives
doesn't so what's um so one congratulations on
the contract with um is it brooksfield is that
what is that what yeah so what is their upside
like realistically that you put all this in
their malls right now you said what well right
now retail is suffering right and so they need
to I mean so initially the the the contract was
just to enhance the existing shopping center goer
experience but it's actually much more than that
it's actually reimagining the entire retail
experience so that those who aren't even most
people don't go to malls anymore right those who
don't go to the malls actually are incentivized to
go right in China malls are hugely popular because
their experiences they're not cold transactional
relationships with um with with with the brands
and and and and there's an opportunity here for you know
uh digital immersive experiences to occur in in public
they leave all's really were experiences where it's
like a thing like we're gonna go to the mall and we're
gonna spend the day there and and shopping was part of
it but I mean it was a thing I just have so many it sounds
so ridiculous but I have so many great memories of like going
to the mall with my family that's it's weird right because
you would think how could you have you know important memories
that have to do with shopping or just like going to old
navy but I don't know there was a vibe and and some malls
really just get it so I would love if that experience was
returned in in some form or another
I love dude you and I we have very aligned interest around
um social behavior social patterns right like and also like
the archaeology and the history when you were talking about
the culture earlier about you know and at one point you
sounded like you were a 90 year old man talking about the kids
these days but on another but from another angle I'm like
wow I it resonated so much with me because what came into my
mind was a flashback of my remembering when my niece um was
like trying to swipe a screen that wasn't swipable and I
realized wow like these little kids are growing up with
tablets in their hands they think everything's swipable
and so now we think about well what if it's not even a
physical object and like you're swiping the air and it brings
into question like you know when these are 24 7 glasses like
when are parents gonna you know just like parents today you
know having discussions about when their children should get
phones that's going to be the next conversation when should
they get their AR glasses and the whole social behavior
pattern we adjust so quickly to technology it's it's crazy I
remember when I saw like my friends who were getting like the
larger iPhones I'm like dude what did that hardly fits in
your pocket but then the moment I got it like maybe 48 hours
later it was everything else just seemed tiny so yeah those
kind of behavioral patterns are going to be fascinating to
watch what if you got to have your Halloween costume on AR they
don't even make those anymore well like you know what I chime
in real quick but bad brothers to answer like where where I
think you should be paying attention I have a bigger
philosophical like take on this right and I think that right
now if you think about the internet for most of this
existence the only way that we've been able to communicate with
each other is through text right and so I don't know if you guys
familiar with this like the way that communication is broken down
but there's like this rule called the 55 38 7 rule 55% of it is body
language 38% is tonality and 7% is verbal the actual words that we're
saying and when you think about what we're doing right now in this
space I know for myself personally like being able to use my voice has
been way more powerful and and beneficial for me at least because I
don't always I don't always communicate as well through text alone as I
do if I can you know talk to you and you can hear my voice and I think
well my bigger point here is that like what what all of this whether it's VR or
AR I think what it's going to unlock is that other 55% of communication
because a lot of times people say that it's about you know people people all
have their own ideas of what this is what this is going to be used for gaming
is a big one and no doubt about it but I think that ultimately it's going to be
about the way that we communicate with each other and 55% if you think about it
the majority of the way that communication works right like it's broken down
into body language and there isn't anything that really accounts for that
and I think that this is where that is actually going to be like this is going
to be that's why that's why this is so fucking much of a big deal from from in
my opinion at least yeah I saw something MK HBD something whatever did and he
like showed off and it was like the first time on video something that Google has
been working on for like years and it wasn't AR or VR but it was something where
like he was sitting in front of the screen and it felt like the person was
actually in the room like you could like see them and like they could reach out
and it felt like it was actually coming to them and just like even with the
Oculus stuff like Mark Zuckerberg like he was showing off this like real like
real time like 3D model of your face and you know mentioning those things like
body language and stuff and how much more effective that is communicating so I
mean yeah that human interaction and I think Tetra talked about that earlier
where it's just like that's you know it enhances it it doesn't take away from
it like a lot of people kind of first go to so so here's a question for the
stage I know we have hands but we're talking about all the positives of AR and
how it can improve our lives how does it hurt us like not everything's there's
always negatives so in what ways can AR contribute to I don't know things that
are bad like is that a question Tetra Justin anybody is that a question I think
I think it's like a philosophical like how you feel about it like it's like you
can look at a lot of things and it's either dystopian or it's utopian and I
think it's like how you move towards it and what your mindset on it is I think
ultimately if you create a world where you know you're so locked into a digital
interface then it becomes much easier to also you know manipulate you or even get
your attention span to become shorter or be able to get you to activate with you
know like be addicted to like assets or content or whatever it is like there
always is that world best believe someone's gonna figure out a way to game
this and turn it into the whole you know TikTok economy of if you don't give me
something in the next five seconds I'm gonna be disinterested so that's always
gonna be there but at the same time it's like there's no way to really fight
these type of technologies they just happen anyway so like there is a lot of
negatives and there's gonna be a lot of positives and it's just gonna be how
you're gonna be interacting with it hmm okay I mean I think that's fair I just
I don't know we're gonna have to I guess we're just gonna have to wait and see
I'll throw it over I don't think I think it's gonna be mostly positive to be
honest I don't think it's anything the negatives but they are probably pretty
similar to the negatives with any new tech I want to throw it over to I guess
blockchain ninja hasn't spoken ninja go ahead so I think one of the negatives is
gonna be like much muscle atrophy to be honest if people get so involved in the
digital world like they can essentially create their own world order everything
from their phone you know have it delivered from their door by a little
robot to them directly like I just think it takes away the human interaction and
that's where what Justin was saying comes into play like not in a bad way but in a
good way if you can make not just interactions but experiences and there's
a bunch of art museums that are doing this already like so like imagine going
to the Louvre without actually going there but not just seeing it in VR but
having an experience being able to walk through in VR and like smell the smells
and hear the sounds and like just everything about it is like you're actually
there so those are experiences in like walking through a mall like the same
thing you can create an experience without actually being there and that's
that's the better side of VR or AR is like the actual experience and not just the
visuals as a free guy I'm excited for that like walking through like Rome or
something I think that's whack bro because like I'm like nothing beats traveling bro like I
don't want to be at my house like I want I'd rather just go to the to the to Rome and see it
I think VR is you stay home and that's why I've always seen AR as a much bigger function than
VR is gonna be I think VR maybe gets big when you go to the fully towards the ready player one
world where you're just like living in this dystopian future you're locked into a game like
whatever like moving past that in today's world I think AR has way more functions and if companies
build around that and make it the next big thing ultimately it's not to keep you at home it's so
that you go out and experience the same things you were doing before but just get an extra layer of
it like you're in an actual physical museum or maybe there's a tour guide that's coming along
holographically and giving you a journey and telling you everything about the paintings and now
you get to you know essentially learn about things that you never have before it's just
an overlay that's supposed to enhance your experience yeah I don't think about on cyber I
mean that's what on cyber is right that's on cyber is kind of like the the prototype for that
as far as I can see yeah well on fiber is more like a VR play they're more of like a there's an
ecosystem I see as this is more like you go to a Louvre you're already in Paris you're going you're
going to enjoy it anyway but now you are while you're inside this physical real museum there's
real history those pieces have been there for x amount of time but now you essentially get a
digital experience that enhances it and it already exists but just not who they are like if you go you
can get these uh I've been to many museums before where they give you this little headset and as you
walk up to pieces it like gives you that explanation and like tells you what it is it's just this is
another layer where like a holographic like you know uh guest to like you know like a person
that's what I was talking about so that's what I was actually like referring to like part of that
experience is like you can walk up to the Mona Lisa and they can give you facts about the painting
the artist like everything about it so like that's part of the experience imagine how much that would
enhance the experience because so many people are going through things and I think that's the great
thing about AR that people are missing like so when we launched our gallery for Art Basel one of the
biggest reasons why like we did it at the time it was because um I had gone to AR Basel the year
before and I saw like all these amazing paintings and I've been painting like for like 17 years now
and I saw like all of these amazing paintings and people are just walking past one and the next and
the next and maybe for a moment they stand and take a photo and they just keep walking it's like
the attention spans are so short that no matter how great the piece is most people aren't taking the
time especially during an AR Basel like they're not going to the Louvre they're here they kind of want to
take some social media content and they're moving on to the next piece and what I saw was that how do
you capture an audience and make them stand there so what I did is I started programming all of my
paintings to have an AR aspect to them and you know during like three days of Art Basel the next year
which was like just the last year we had 17,000 guests and we had over 300,000 or like 270,000 scans
and what that just proved to us was all of these guests that were in there were interacting with like
every painting and we didn't even need to tell them about it they would see somebody doing it
and they would want to interact with it because they'd be like holy shit like how's this person
doing it they would ask they would find out there's a QR on the floor they would scan it pull up the
experience be able to see it and now you were able to convert people into actual like you know
they're experiencing it and actually taking a moment to like digest it videotape it enjoy it
be mind blown by it rather than just move on move on quick quick what's the next thing and I think
that's the great thing it's like you go to these museums so many times if you do and it's like most of the
times you don't even know what you're looking at you might walk up to this little plaque that tells you
some info sometimes they'll put a QR you scan it it takes you to a little web page that gives you
more info it's just if you have that live guest like that host that's walking with you and giving
you a full experience it enhances your physical life rather than trying to take you into a dystopian
digital life yeah I think that what a differentiator is like yeah VR is like you could be at home and
then go to the coliseum but AR is like you're going to the coliseum and then you have like gladiators
fighting inside the coliseum while you're overlooking it and it enhances that coliseum
experience from there I think that's a differentiator even just going back to like my educational
experience as a kid like this would make it way more like I would be way more into like a history
and like the learnings and teachings like we didn't even talk about AR leveraging in educational
institutions right like that's for me that's the biggest thing like because like going back to the
mall thing like with Justin like when I'm in Tokyo like we are everyone is out shopping and it's not
because of a digital experience it's because of the service that's why and it looks nice and that's
why people out and these kids are outside right like I wonder if there's a ceiling to the to the AR VR
because like nothing will be just going over to a friend's house and playing right um but if you can go
out and and use it in schools like man I would learn I would have a lot easier childhood
gamifying and turning it into a story versus memorizing a timetable um I just hope it's
accessible to all schools not just schools with money that's my concern
were you having your teacher in front of you versus like the zoom thing that the kids had to go
through during COVID imagine you put on these glasses and it's more of like a realistic like
person standing in front of you teaching you versus that I mean you know just so many things
like that man yeah that's my point my body language I'll say like education wise we are
also very much like 3d concepts are much more digestible for us than 2d concepts that's why
like when a teacher is really good at storytelling it's almost like they can bring the story to life
they can bring the concept to life and it almost makes it 3d but with AR aspects you're actually able
to bring things into 3d allow people to interact with them through mixed reality and like that
ultimately turns you know the education system into much more experiential story based which I
think will lead to much better education obviously there is that price point barrier at the beginning
but think about it like right now everybody almost has a smartphone doesn't matter like what age kids
are like at least like in the developed countries almost everybody has a smartphone so I think
eventually you'll get there but obviously at the beginning there's always going to be those barriers
and plenty of schools issue uh laptops and uh like chromebooks and uh tablets too
the good schools well look okay so I know I know hololens has been mentioned a couple of times
tonight I pinned up if you swipe to the second and third post um one of the most innovative artists
been involved in one of three like top three favorite artists of mine mp cause michael kozlowski
he worked at microsoft on the hololens and he's an amazing artist what you see there are frames he
physically built no glasses no phone that's how you see them when you walk up to these paintings
um these digital works it's pretty fascinating what he's been able to do uses like very advanced
lenticular technology um anyways he's an artist to check out if you if you all haven't yet um and a
hololens alum dude what what is how does that work the animation too that's that's nuts
wait doesn't he use the the lcd displays or the flash ones
some uses the lcd others he uses like that still life is the most he's revealed about it
he's like I asked him once he's like yes lenticular I'm like dude I've seen lenticulars they don't look
like that um but yeah he um he's like super advanced yeah I'm looking at these right now they're
incredible honestly just incredible work that's super cool and it's good to see these these suites
actually kind of going viral too a lot of engagement I want to throw it quickly over to
make and then we're going to go to kensai make what's up a few things so one bad bad brother um
definitely look into blender that's a no question open source you can move you can look you can dance
but every day and with all these other companies come to market it's getting easier I mean AI is
starting to make all sorts of different structures and different things don't think AI is not going
to be doing half the stuff and half half the building half the art half half everything you can
make skyboxes right now um how does AR make life worse if you walk around the world with rose tinted
glasses all the time with people selling you different things and reinvestigating and re-showing
you you're not seeing life just for what it is the whole ability to go touch grass well if you're
touching grass and yet you're still watching your latest Facebook posts and hanging out and watching
in Twitter space you're still not getting your dose of full reality so and you're talking to someone
who has two kids who practically live on roadblocks and I hang out in the metaverse so yes um it's coming
though uh and then again with the HoloLens and all these things that are coming out like with all these
opportunities and all the these money inflows all we're going to get is innovation so just get ready
get ready to walk out and have your backpack talk to you and everybody you look at can sell you an ad
let's fucking go thanks make ready for ready for more ads in my life um I want to throw it over to
to Ken Sai Ken Sai or Sensei sorry Sensei what's going on what's up thank you so much for bringing me up
um um the reason I came up here is I'm sort of a green VR professional myself and I have questions that
I'm like struggling with in this department in terms of adoption and I'm curious to hear takes that uh
the professionals here have uh so my sort of home turf is building design and I've discovered uh VR
during the pandemic when it was like invaluable for communicating with people and showing them
spaces etc but now like trying to advance it in the industry there's a lot of resistance you know I
think the industrial applications of VR and particularly AR are like insane but then and
like there's a lot literally I could sit down and like develop AR things people on a construction site
could use like I'm not you know like the biggest programmer in the world but it's like incredibly
possible and the problem with it is the human factor you know it's like I wonder how you convince the
people who are like you know for example physics it's easy to convince clients that they want to see
their like new VR space it's harder to convince people that
they get a call uh it's harder to convince people that there's this this AR robot who points out to them
what to do better than they could do it before um so I wonder like how everyone sees this sort of
industrial integration when a lot of people feel threatened by it or maybe just uninterested you
know we're a bunch of early adopters here so obviously we care but not everyone does
um just like one point on that like if you look into zero risk training it's already been implemented
in different industries like on the industrial side um and there's already like multiple companies
that have brought it in and the whole aspect of zero risk training is not only do you get to bring
experts from around the world to virtually be able to train your new staff but also you reduce the
you know like the insurance costs and the risk to your actual employees to your trainees or whatever
because you're able to implement VR AR or zero risk training protocols
Justin any take on on sentence and you mentioned you're so I've actually seen the exact use case
in LA I've seen developers um in you know who sell um property uh prior to the actual construction
right on pre-sale uh because there's so much demand um and have used AR to actually show the renders
while on site I think that's definitely an area of opportunity um you might be a you know a little bit
ahead um of a lot of people but I see that 100% being um used more and more commonly and I and I
again I've already seen it uh being used on the ground level so if that I think you said that right
you're in the architectural space yeah and also consider that like Google Glass as silly as we all
see it from a consumer lens no pun um but it's still heavily used in in specific industries you know
I think in like manufacturing it's used a lot uh I wish I could like give you other examples where
it's still used but I know that it's still used it's not like something that just came and went you
know um so from a from a like from a commercial or um you know business use case perspective I I don't
it's always going to be challenging because like that's the thing right it's it's not necessarily
like a rational and this is something Justin was saying earlier about um taking a rational um
approach to these things and it's like a lot of the world is irrational right like and we're
irrational we're certainly irrational we spend fucking hours on spaces looking at our screens
tapping emoji buttons you know letting people know how you know so I mean just think about that right
um I think it's just a matter of like getting getting to the core of how it will benefit people
and and um if you can learn a thing or two about like how to sell then I think that you you're in a
like uh you have a huge advantage and it's not going to be that hard it's definitely not going
to be super easy but it's not going to be that hard either either hmm god brother go ahead yeah
one thing I want to mention is um you know we were talking about like um you know looking at things you
could do like skills you could develop to be in this space from like a technical aspect but
you know remember we had like bitcoin release all those years ago and now because of blockchain
technology we listened to this potato chip at two in the morning um and you know he used web3 to be
able to do that so there's always like you know new opportunities that spring up from technology
that um are like totally unrelated to like it's building the things like you think about these
virtual experiences like I don't know being that like some basically like a tour guide through some
of them like you know just things like that um that could that you could start thinking of that
you know you could do and I think the options are limitless they're really the limit is really only
your creativity and I think as the cost of these devices goes down considerably more and more people
have access to them more and more people can actually innovate with them then I mean this is I mean
this is what it's all about so I'll throw it over to make uh quickly here make what's going on yeah I
would just also say I mean just look around I mean first of all you got Justin he's been sitting there
talking about hiring 20 new people so you might want to dm him buckets just threw out a post about
hiring people the other day I also just told him I had skinny legs and he should hire me um but also if
you go to most of these platforms specifically like on cyber or spatial if you look around a little bit
you'll see that there are all these architecture firms and different groups of people that they
put in and suggest um as preferred clients preferred builders that they trust and recommend
it's a great way like I had a magazine client that wanted to come out and build their own metaverse
space they have and I just went ahead and interviewed like 10 essentially different
architecture firms so definitely go check the main pages of of those spaces
bombay please yeah and make you can actually like use your clone now in on cyber as a full body
um which is pretty cool and like you can you can you have the glb files that you can put in fortnite
land so you can like use your clone but you can't play with it that's the thing that's that's the
only thing it's like that's why I'm like other side is going to be pretty dope because like we can
like it's going to force every project to have a 3d model to play in there bombay I am literally
sitting right now in spatial dancing with my kid called beast so I guarantee you could do it with a
you can't you can't like it's it's there yeah no it's happening I I'm with you it's un-fucking-believable
so the the thing is is like the I there's like a ceiling to on cyber right now to leap's point
is because like it's just a gallery like if they don't if they have a game like you're in there for
five ten minutes and then you're kind of you kind of leave right because you're not in there you
don't spend too much time I had it and then I was in there and then like I haven't been in my
on cyber gallery it's like so long um but if there's a game in there then like that'd be really
cool um but until then it's just kind of a novelty item bro the move is djs honestly if for anybody
who spins records like to really have parties and good vibes the people who make money in the
metaverse and create the scene without question are djs once you got ill beats coming and somebody's
you know basically they've even become performers really because they're on there with their you
know digital backgrounds and they got fire going out and then they're shouting out the community
those kind of vibes are what's really bringing in the people I think what really becomes interesting
next is how the music companies start going after the djs and different people involved in taking
stake and not letting people do it dude mick I used to remember when you would come into spaces
and then you wouldn't preface that you were talking about any virtual space or metaverse and you say
hey you all are invited to my penthouse I'm like who is this dude just inviting all these strangers to
his penthouse and then slowly but surely I realized you were talking about like your your penthouse in
these like virtual worlds and I'm like okay that makes more sense and the parties were really fun and we
had great spatial audio and we had djs that would hang out and we'd share art and sell art and you know
that was great I gotta say the company who had it most right to get together and who shut it down was
once again Microsoft with Alpspace VR their spatial audio was better than anything else that's been out
there and is right now and I think again spatial has really done an amazing stuff of recent moving
over to the unity SDK they do as well have incredible spatial audio that spatial audio and the ability to
go to separate corners hold conversations and moving mouths that again we talked about that earlier about
those different things that is missing right now in this current layer of platforms out here but it's
going to change really fast
you know one thing I just wanted to add real quick is that do you does any do any of you guys see like
what we're doing right now as a game because I know I think that this is just a way for us to
communicate with each other and we're yeah we might be doing it on Twitter but Clubhouse also existed
and I don't know maybe this is a take but I think that audio chat spaces are a form of like a gateway
to the metaverse I think that that's ultimately what it's going to and by the way metaverse being
like AR VR it's just a more immersive uh sensory version of the internet and from how I see it but
with that being said I think that like humans have a desire to fucking communicate right and um I think
that like the the people that figure out how to unlock that opportunity for people whether it be
in VR or AR I think that those are the the projects companies that are going to do the best
NFTs crypto all that aside
I agree I entirely agree and I mean look I look at Twitter spaces I look at them as part of the
metaverse I mean we've talked about this a million times I look at Twitter as part of the metaverse I
look at Facebook as part of the metaverse I think the word metaverse has just become so over inflated
to the point where and also people have this it's sensationalized we have this unrealistic
expectations anybody who's come to this space has heard me go on this tangent a million times
I'm not going to go on it tonight but again I just think the metaverse is essentially when
the line between digital platforms or digital worlds however you want to put it become more and more
blurred and we can just freely interact from one to the other right now we have separate
apps this that whatever it might be separate devices but I do think there'll be a time where
maybe everything is just integrated through possibly AR or VR I don't know it's so hard to tell
science fiction writers have been writing about this for a really long time but Twitter the
Twitterverse however you want to put it like call it metaverse call it not at the end of the day
we're interacting on a digital like we're in a digital zone a digital environment now we interact
with it through a little rectangle that we hold in our hands called mobile devices right but maybe
that's not maybe maybe we interact with it through AR glasses at some point and we're just looking
forward and you can see who is in the in the room just in front of you overlaid on on your real world
or you can see people's digital avatars overlaid somewhere that's the way I look at it and I know
you could go to every single person on this stage and every person in this room and they each give a
different definition of what they think the metaverse is so I think arguing or debating back
and forth about specifically what we believe it is is kind of it's kind of moot I don't think it
really matters that much right but what I do think is but Twitter is just so good dude like you can
scroll the timeline I can multitask and it's on my phone it's so good I think it is interesting though
that Facebook has meta now uh tomorrow Apple's gonna have reality as their product right so it's like
we have meta and we have reality as like now brand kind of or product names I still think I might
call them um the new iPods um but but um but at least like they're gonna be calling them reality
that'll be a token you glitched out there so you glitched out and it was so oh no on the punchline
on the all right I said I'm gonna call them the new iPods but they're gonna be called
but but uh Apple has uh it's gonna be calling them realities reality pro
yeah I'm really tired of even just like the metaverse term in general to be honest with you
just kind of I don't know going on I'm just like done with it I I don't care it's it I felt
like just build cool shit I don't need all these names I don't need all this just build cool stuff
that I want to use that people want to use and uh they're like Diablo 4 yeah Diablo 4 is the
metaverse do y'all dude you want to talk about the metaverse this is crazy on console on the same
tv you can log in with two different xbox lives account and two different battle.net accounts and
it's I that may not mean anything to anybody here but never in a million years I think something like
that would be possible when I was a kid so look we're gonna throw it over to blockchain ninja ninja
what's going on I just wanted to touch on like the using AR and VR and stuff for schools um this
kind of relates to that uh kind of not though um and spatial audio so spatial audio specifically if
you have AirPods or like a really good pair of the new Bose uh surround sound headphones uh I'm slightly
autistic so like maybe this only works for me maybe it doesn't work for everybody else but if you're
having a shitty day honestly look up some like 8 to 12k audio files and just play them on spatial audio
and immediately like your whole attitude changes
well I'll definitely have to try that blockchain ninja appreciate you well look this is definitely
an anti-climactic end to this twitter space but we're gonna end here um we'll be back tomorrow
tonight was a complete shit show space was rugging constantly what a great conversation though
yeah no actually great conversation and I think sometimes sometimes that's that really happens
and this is kind of more what I want to get back to where we're actually talking about topics that have
to do with tech nfts crypto I feel like we're in a meta net right now with spaces that and don't get
me wrong I have fully participated in the drama meta so I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I
am higher than the uh trust me I'm I'm all about it as well that being said I think a balance between
because we've been doing this a little bit more recently as to be honest so um but as usual I and
also I want to I want to shout out yeah I've said this a few times in spaces but I'm going to continue
to say it just so people know and I have a tweet that we're going to put out all this good stuff but I
am working with yacht now so if you can see the link in my bio if you want to go check it out learn more
about it but not as a sponsorship or partnership nothing of that nature I've actually joined the
company as content strategy and and that sort of thing uh so really excited about what they're
building I will talk about it more in the future but if you're interested in learning more you can
just click the link in my bio outside of that I fucking love y'all I appreciate y'all so much
thank you for coming to twitter space and rocking with us on this sunday night tomorrow is monday a new
week new opportunity to fucking get it I appreciate y'all so much please go get some rest some
sleep eat some good food go to bed and I will see you in less than 24 hours we'll be back tomorrow
7 30 around 7 30 p.m pacific and we're going to run it back we're going to have a great space so
please please please please take care of yourselves and your body and that's it as usual I love y'all
I appreciate y'all I will see you soon