I'm not used to doing this in this format, but this is cool.
Well, I thought it'd be fun to just like get on a chat here and start talking.
Like I've been just like obsessing about it for myself.
It's so fascinating in so many ways and it could be complete fire and it could be a complete flop
and you won't really know for a long time, but I mean Apple hasn't had a flop in a long time.
Yeah, I know their track record is pretty solid. Yeah, it's funny. I've been going online and
trying to find like all the reviews and everything, but it just seems like they're all like we talked
about. They're all still controlled. So I don't think any of them have gotten to actually play
with it without Apple kind of looking down or like letting them play with it in a controlled
environment yet. So right. I mean, February, February 2nd will be that kind of shift, right?
Where we actually go actually like we're getting some real recording people using the actual apps
of like showing you in detail, like how it like, like they're talking about that like race car
that you can do. Like it can be like an actual physical race card like in your, you know,
apartment or whatever, but yeah, you haven't seen anybody actually like interact with it and use it
and like spin it and like get inside and like, you know, all that kind of stuff. I think you'll see
that on February 2nd though, right? Yeah, probably won't be till the second. It's like one of the
things I really appreciate about Apple as a company is that they like, they're very intentional
with what they built, right? Like they're kind of like the inverse of like, um,
Mitsubishi or Samsung where they just like build, you know, microwaves and fucking motorcycles and
lawnmowers and like printers. They just like make everything underneath the sun in a lot of ways.
But like with Apple, you can take every one of their products, all of them,
and put it on your kitchen table, right? Like that's, that's the entire, and there's like,
you know, a total of what? Seven, eight products total, right? It's really not that much. And so
when they, when they do put their foot in something, it's like, it's very intentional and
typically it's pretty well thought out, you know, pretty well done. So it's, it was fascinating
because like historically Apple has never been a company that comes out the door with some sort
of new technology. They're, they're typically are very commonly out like last to the game,
right? That was like the case of the mp3 player where there was like Rio and you know,
a bunch of other kind of manufactured mp3 players back in the day. And they came out with iPod
and all the C like, that was the end of it more or less. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I,
I just, I'm thinking I'm just, I keep equating it to like, I, I'm thinking the iPhone,
right? Like it's coming out the original version. Not a lot of people know what to expect,
but it is Apple. And yeah, it's going to be, it's not going to be super polished right away.
You know, who knows? There's, you know, like, remember when the iPhone came out,
there wasn't even an app store. It was, you know, that was, it was just like,
use these things. That's it. Right. It was still awesome. Right. But you know,
it's going to take a while. I think you've mentioned this. It's in, I agree. It's
going to take a little while, maybe fourth version. Yep. But until, but until then I'm
going to, I know it's a little pricey, but I'm going to, I'm going to enjoy the ride
until that happens. Cause I think it's going to be fun playing with it until it does get to that
point. So the funny thing is when the iPhone first launched, people made fun of it because
it was really expensive, which it was relative to the other devices and phones. People made fun
of it because they didn't have a keyboard as like a, you know, on screen keyboard,
which was a new concept at the relative to the time period. And even the app store,
they were avidly against the idea of an app store. And they, in the first,
I think like two years, they said, Oh, you don't need app stores. You're going to have like,
you know, online apps, like browser apps. Like that was like, that was the position
in those early, early couple of years. And eventually they came out with the app store,
which was like the most important thing for them to do. Like it both has a profitable thing
because Apple makes fuck tons of money on apps. Like they make boatloads of fucking money. So
it's like a huge money maker for them. And it also just created like a lot of purpose,
right? Because the iPhone or the Mac or most of its products don't really have a lot of purpose
because you don't get a lot of value out of the calendar and the notes app and like these
kind of basic apps that come shipped with the iPhone. And they don't even really spend a lot
of time or each of us are trying to try to build a lot of apps. I just let the community let the
devs, you know, the entrepreneurs in the work in the industry to build all the apps. Like they
don't try to build 30 or 40 different apps that do lots of different things. The apps they do
build are very typically very, very small with the exception of maybe maps, but like everything
else is like very rudimentary. Oh, there's a calculator. Oh, there's a timer. You know,
good job, Apple on the pushing the envelope on the app side. But like without the app store,
like that's what gives it the value. That's what gives it the use case. That's why it's so
like social media didn't really exist in the same way as it does today. Before the iPhone came out
to have cameras on your phone that just changed. You know, like Instagram probably would not have
worked free iPhone, right? You need like phone and you need phones to be you know,
like just everywhere. And like one of the funny things that nobody's talking about with the
Apple vision is that nobody's really talking about how it's a it's a it's a camera itself,
right? People see it kind of a Yeah, that's right. People kind of joke at that being a poor camera
because you just like sit in this big giant thing on your face and you look kind of ridiculous. And
you're like watching your five year old's birthday or whatever the fuck is going on.
Right. But but here's here's a good argument for that. Right. And that is like, I saw a picture
recently of of the ball dropping right in New York City. And everybody had their phones out
almost taking a picture of the ball drop, right? And or the same thing as you go to a concert,
you go see a Taylor Swift concert or whatever. And everybody's with their phones out and
everybody's experiencing the concert through the screen of their phone. Right. They're not
actually there. They're not actually present. They're not actually enjoying the experience.
They're just like, looking at the phone, they're trying to get it centered and get like stable and
like, get a good video or whatever. But the nice thing about that the Apple Vision Pro as like a
camera device is that you can be present, you can just hit the record button and record a video of
you know, Taylor Swift, or the hell you're doing, and just watch it and enjoy it. And then like,
you don't you're not looking at through your screen of your phone, you're looking at just
through your eyes. And you're not really, you know, trying to balance between the watching
physically hurt and watching it scream back and forth. I think that it might help people be more
present when they actually are taking photos and be more Yeah, experience the thing that you're
there to experience. Interesting. That's a good take. I never thought about that. Because I know
that that camera is there. And I also saw I don't know if you saw it in that review,
but I thought it was interesting question where they asked, do you have to actually be wearing
you? You do? Yeah, so like, it would have been cool to maybe be able to take it off and like,
put it in the room and just like film an event. Like, I don't know, maybe it's a birthday party
and you're filming the opening gifts. But it sounds like you actually have to have it on in
order for that functionality to work. Yeah, but if I'm gonna do, if I'm gonna do that,
I would just set up a tripod and set up my phone. Like, that's
no need. Yeah, that's true. If you want that spatial, what's that spatial way it does? It does
like the three, the iPhone 15, I think it's the Pro Pro doesn't do they film in the spatial? Yeah.
So well, so if you have a 15, yeah, you just use that and then you can film it in that spatial
but also the format supposedly the aspect ratio is different between your phone recording spatial
and vision. The vision is like more like, it looks like more like a four by three aspect ratio.
Oh, I don't know if that's like actually how it gets captured. That's how the the demos I've
seen thus far. It's always been a four by three. Whereas iPhone 15 Pro will do, you know,
16 by nine or something more, you know, more typical. Yeah, you know, yeah. I think it's
I mean, but yeah, I think it's gonna be cool. And those in those videos, I haven't obviously
I haven't seen this thing yet. I haven't experienced it from but from what I'm hearing.
It's so like lifelike like it's almost everyone's saying like it's like you're there. I mean,
that's dude, I gotta say that is actually really, really cool. Like if you there's gonna be
certain things where if you just get filmed certain events in your life, and you like,
I don't know, years down the road, you go back and you can actually like feel like you're there and
like in a room with people. I know, man, I know it's kind of cheesy a little bit to say, but I just
I think that's gonna be cool. Like down the road, you're gonna look back and go like,
holy shit, like I'm glad I filmed this when I did or something, you know,
it's kind of funny, like we won't really know until we get kind of an experience with ourselves.
But my assumption is if you're gonna experience a photo in 3d, it's gonna feel more lifelike,
it's gonna feel more like your memory itself. And I think inherently, that's going to create
the carry more emotion with it, right? If you want to get like a really good video of like,
you know, you and me were hanging out of bonfire on the beach and, you know, playing music and,
you know, drinking beers or whatever. You know, I think that would be like you'd feel it more
emotional. Yeah, I'm assuming I'm assuming one guy was saying that like when you take a 3d
video or like even like the panorama one, like you can like kind of peek over,
like peek over the bottom of the photo and see further down.
You know what I mean? Yeah, that's, yeah, that's gonna be a trip.
That's gonna be a trippy thing. And then if you if you want to get super fancy about it,
which is like also a thing, you pair that with AI, where AI can generate more photo that doesn't
exist in the actual original photo, but can create more sky and more ocean and and like or whatever.
And if you just the vision pro in that moment can generate more photos so that you can get
that even more of like, you know, all encompassing photo that just like surrounds you 360 fucking
degrees with sky and clouds that are maybe even fucking moving, right? And who knows? Like it's
the potential there's is so significant, I feel like.
Yeah, the potential is definitely I think is definitely there.
But yeah, and it was, it was funny, like the one thing I'm like super curious about I was and I was
just looking into like about an hour ago is how it's gonna like just how it's gonna feel like
working like with it, like I was just sitting on my bed, like typing on my desk on my laptop,
but I'm thinking, well, wait a minute, if I had the vision pro, I could just have that thing on.
And then there's an entire just like massive screen in front of me. And I could just be typing
out on my lap, like, or on on a Bluetooth keyboard. And I have this massive dope screen. And I'm
just like, I'm just trying to get my head around like what exactly this thing's going to do.
And especially when it comes to like the work stuff. And I think it's going to be just like,
I think it's going to be a full it's a game changer. I think, I think it's the screen is
not the game changer. I think that's the thing that makes sense now because it's like such a big
step from where we are now, like all of a sudden having a 40 inch screen in front of your face,
you want to, but I think this is going to break the idea of a screen. Right? I think this is
going to be like, you no longer have screens, you just have apps that are just floating in space.
And you just flip to the app that you need. Or you have like, you don't have an idea of actual
display. You just have like, Oh, here's my discord. And here's my WhatsApp. And here's my,
you know, Chrome browser. And you just kind of like, there's kind of floating around you
and just kind of grab the thing you want when you want it and then start typing or whatever.
It's just, it's just like, it's going to cause us to kind of think differently. But the way
we interface with our applications, right? Even like, yeah, I think applications now,
and this is like a first that you'll be able to get applications for your Mac or maybe even like
that run off of your iPhone potentially. And the interfaces are now going to be 3d.
Not just in the sense of like, Oh, this is like, instead of it being a circle on the screen,
it's going to be a sphere on the screen, like, kind of like how the Siri logo is,
like when you've talked to Siri, like it's now like a ball in front of you instead of a,
just a circle. But like, you'll be able to interface with your applications in a three
dimensional space. And so it like, it gives you another dimension to be able to like,
Oh, I want to go, I want to push my tabs of my browser in a three dimensional space,
not just a 2d space or a one dimensional space, more accurately, tabs are generally speaking,
are done in one dimension, unless you group and whatnot. But like, you can start creating
three dimensional space where you pull things within the app for or back or around,
and that gives you just a more control and a more natural way of interacting with applications.
It's I think that's just going to like, devs are going to are going to introduce new
methodologies of interacting with your applications, new primitives, like,
just like the idea of a button and a slider and all those kind of basic ideas of how we interact
with like phones and computers today, we're going to have a completely new slew of basic interaction
methodologies. And you just like pinching your fingers together that kind of Apple pinch,
you know what I mean? They're talking about like, that's just going to be one of 100 different
things that you can do with your hands to interface and interact with the world around
you this virtual world around you. And they're just they're just going to have these cameras that
are looking at your at your hands and then recreating your hands in three dimensional space
so that it knows every contour and shift of your wrist, right and your fingers and your
fingers going out or straight or collapse fist, what is it right? And you can twist your fist
and like cause more things that happen. It's just like the power of that and the
intuitiveness of that it's going to create such new amazing development environments,
people to build new applications to make more flexible, more powerful and more intuitive
UIs to interacting with data information, whatever it is you're trying to touch, gaming, all that
stuff. Yeah, yeah, no, it's gonna be super interesting. I wonder, I see I'd see Preston
on here. I just love to hear what he has to say about this. I mean, honestly, I disagree
with most of what you guys have done, Preston. This is why you're here, my friend. This is why
you're here. I love it. I mean, dude, you guys are like sitting here talking about recording a
fucking T-Swift concert on your Apple glasses. Like, dude, nah, man, that's not going to happen.
The form factor much more is like much more friendly for Ray bands and stuff like that.
The tech just isn't quite there yet. Hopefully it's a good step. No, but you think about
different. So you have to think about like, the Ray ban idea is on one side of the spectrum.
And on the other side of the spectrum, you have the Apple Vision Pro, right? You have this like,
Ray ban is relatively speaking, you know, lower tech, simpler tech, lighter, you know, not as
powerful, blah, blah, blah. And the Apple Vision Pro is like super powerful, you know,
lots of things you can do with it, blah, blah. And you have to like play the technology out over
the next five years, 10 years, whatever. And you're going to find the Ray bands are going
to be moving towards Apple Vision Pro. And Apple Vision Pro is me moving towards a Ray ban.
And then over some period of time, let's call it 10 years, I'm making up a number.
The Ray bands and the Apple Vision Pro will be one and the same.
Right. And so like, I think eventually you're going to get to the place where you're going
to be recording Taylor Swift concerts, whatever, not you won't I don't think if you will do that
with the Apple Vision Pro is the first the first year, the first generation, but eventually I think
that's the the destination that's heading to another. Yeah, of course. I mean, that's that's
definitely the trend of the text moving towards but the Apple Vision Pro the form factor on that
is not it's like a prototype right that you'd hang out with like in your basement kind of a
thing. It's super rad watch like VR porn and like hop in and out of movie theater.
But like you it's not going to like change the world. I don't think when it comes to like the
iPhone did I don't know I'd be very, very it's gonna be it's all dependent upon the app store,
right? If if devs build kick ass apps that it could legitimately move the needle,
but it is competing with like the Oculus and obviously the Oculus has caught pretty good
traction but nothing like what an Apple device could. So yeah, it was interesting.
Yeah, I mean, I think that it will. I mean, eventually, I think the Apple Vision Pro will
be pretty significant, and it'll become more common and obviously much cheaper than it is
now, obviously. But the app like the iPhone was so big because it allowed you to have a computer
in your pocket. Again, and that was just opened up so many doors and use cases like Uber and DoorDash
and you know, Instagram, I mentioned that one earlier, and like these other things that weren't
really practical possible before that point. And the same thing is happening here in the sense
that you're creating a new computing platform that has never really existed. I mean, obviously,
Oculus existed, but not in the context of what Apple is trying to do or that the direction
Apple is going to go. And it will invite devs to think about new use cases of where we can use
technology or we don't use it today. And I think that's gonna be a significant contribution to the
space of technology. Yeah, for sure. I mean, and I think Randy brought up like the office
productivity will be really, really interesting. I actually think that that's probably the first
money shot. If I had to guess, I'd be curious of like, what does that actually look and feel like
as you mess with it? I think the gaming space is probably a little bit further out within Apple's
ecosystem. Like Apple has never really been able to nail that one on the head. Like it's
competition. If this was the Microsoft device, I think the doors wide open, right? Like a device
like this on Xbox Live would be a banger. But that's not the market they're going after,
which Microsoft is probably going to build that now. Right? They're going to answer back.
Yeah, that'd be right. I mean, they had HoloLens and they canceled the project a long time ago.
Yeah, I can, I can totally see Microsoft trying to stay relevant and compete against Apple in
this regard. And same with Google. Google could come up with their own, you know,
headset, face, face set. Should I say, should I say, face set?
Right. I don't know. I think that's like, there's a wonderful opportunity here. And obviously,
we don't know what's going to happen in the future. But this device is obviously absorbently expensive.
And it's probably not even really meant for consumers. It's just made for super early,
you know, wealthy people who can afford it, but also just devs. And so you're going to need
a year or two for devs to like experiment and explore of what you can do with this thing.
I think you're going to see it over the next like 12 months or so.
I mean, the bigger question I think is still like, why has VR and 3D never caught on?
That's kind of a to be determined question that is more of a macro style question. Like 3D
movies, if you remember back when those became a thing, everyone was saying 3D was going to be
the next thing. And now no one wants to watch 3D movies, right? When you use an Oculus headset,
in my experience, anyway, it can get very like disorienting and also the pixelation on the screen
because the screen isn't quite there. So your eyes can pick it up. It sounds like this device
has like that problem solved, which is fantastic. And the response time, it sounds like it's like
12 milliseconds, which is great. Like that's way faster than your eye can see anyway.
But we still haven't solved the major questions of like, do people actually want to have a fucking
screen on their face? And if the answer is no, then it doesn't matter what the device is,
no one will use it. I think I think what you guys are saying like in a nutshell is like the
total addressable market for this thing is not the size of like the iPhone. For starters,
and on top, like a baby is not going to use it. And a 90 year old is probably like questionable,
you can use this thing. So you have this like narrower addressable market, and then there's
a total addressable time, like how much time you put this thing in your head, you're not
going to use it like your phone. So you're really talking about a much more narrow band,
and you're paying an expensive amount, like you're paying a lot for a much shorter period
of time that you're using this thing. So it's like that's part of it. And then as like,
you know, and I buy every random fucking like tech things as a video file and an audio file,
I have like a, I spent like, you know, half a million bucks on home theater shit, you know,
so like, I know like what that market looks like, what the city a crowd and whatever like wants.
And the thing is, like, let's say, like, one thing that's cool about this is like,
you could bring a really, really decent, almost like home theater style space without having to
own a building, you know what I mean? Like, so that's in one in one way, that's good. But like,
on the other hand, it's like, jeez, like the type of TV you can buy now, like for that kind of money
is like near probably like practically an 8K TV, they're pretty damn good.
You know, the only thing is like you, you know, is this going to be comparable experience
kind of maybe. And, you know, and as a video file, it's like the other thing is kind of to
me is, would I buy this on top of all the other crap I have? And the answer is kind of maybe.
And then on top of that, it's like, you know, you're depending on your vision, I don't know how
this thing is going to do it like a stigmatism or whatever the hell else, like, do you have to get
like prescription lenses for your fit? Because I know they had some different views. And that's
a factor too, you know. But I think the difference here, though, is that like, when you have
when the iPhone came out, and still to this day, like the iPhone is not really a computing device
where you're going to use it for long periods of time. It's really more designed to like,
hey, I got a notification for an email, I'm going to go in and respond to them be done with it.
Like it's really a device that you can just like quickly pick up, check a message and respond.
People don't generally use their phones for like an hour straight or two hours straight.
People can and people do but most people do nowadays.
Doing what? What do you do for like an hour?
I mean, dude, ask any high school kid, ask any chicken college, ask anyone,
everyone's on their phone all day long.
I think people are on their phone and they're doing short lived activities,
but they're not sitting there for an hour or two and watching a movie on your phone.
They're not watching a movie, they're watching TikTok for four hours.
Yeah, well, an interesting thing too guys, like you know the time thing,
here's the thing, like I think Preston's right, like what's going on is like,
this has affected like the home theater slash home audio market because you only have so much time
in the day and you're already spending some of it on your phone, some of it on your TV,
some of it like watching whatever. Like that's another thing is like,
how much time do you have left to do this thing?
And if you're watching TikTok and shit, like, are you going to watch TikTok now on this
Vision Pro thing? Are you really going to spend that kind of money for that?
And what's happened is like a lot of people, like a lot of kids,
they're just watching like, I don't know, less expensive stuff.
Like they're like, I can watch stuff on YouTube and I get content on TikTok and this and that.
They're not necessarily spending a ton of time on like buying Blu-ray discs or whatever
the fuck else. So that's why like Best Buy removed all the discs from their stores.
Like everyone's gone streaming and I don't even know how much like,
maybe like people like binge watch Netflix or whatever, but at some level it's like,
there's a generation that I don't know if they watch as much TV as like previous generation did.
Maybe they're playing around TikTok and whatever. I don't know.
And is that crowd going to pay this money for this thing, right?
If everyone had an Apple Vision Pro, like let's say money wasn't a problem.
Let's say the cost was 250 bucks.
I think my thesis would actually stay the same.
I don't think that money is the largest impediment here.
I think it's do people actually want to wear a fucking box on their face for three hours?
And I would guess the answer is no, but I'm curious to see what happens.
What if that box gets smaller though?
What if it doesn't get, maybe not Ray-Bans, but what if it gets
in four years gets so small that it's almost like it's not a big deal?
Because right now I agree, it's a big chunky thing and you're not going to be wearing it.
I'm not wearing it on the subway and like that kind of shit,
but it's going to get to a point I think where it's going to get so small and non-obtrusive that.
I don't know if the physics allows it though, does it?
Because like if you have bad vision or some shit,
can that be compensated for by just like modifying like what's on the screen?
Like, can you compensate for like your astigmatism and like nearsightedness,
farsightedness by just like blurring the image on screen, like by compensating?
Or do you have to have like a physical?
You can buy prescription lenses and have it then put it into the device.
But to Randy's point, like to make it smaller, right?
Like if you had to get it small enough to where it's like,
and light enough to where it's like on a pair of glasses,
it's almost like just imagine like is the physics even possible?
I don't know, like with the way the human eye works.
It depends on like your vision if you're nearsighted or farsighted.
But as time goes on, the cost of like getting LASIK or something like that
to deal with the medical aspect of your poor vision is,
you know, cheaper and safer over time.
Like right now, if you want to get LASIK, it's relatively inexpensive.
LASIK's cheap now, but I never got it because the problem is it doesn't solve like,
you wind up with glasses again as you get older.
So it's like it's a temporary fix, kind of.
And just you get it again or like, you know, or whatever.
I mean, that's just a natural thing because your eyes are constantly being adjusted
and they're basically being squished basically.
Instead of being a sphere that become a more oval shape,
which gives you that kind of like nearsighted or farsighted vision.
But that's just like a natural thing for your eye that continues to adjust
or change its shape, which means the LASIK surgery you got 10 years ago,
no longer, you know, is the right, much of the right word.
I'm not sure what the hell it is.
Another weird thing, guys, is like, does this thing like if you buy this,
is it like you get the little eye implants, whatever the thing like,
is this is this like only you would use it?
And therefore, now your wife can't pick it up and use it
because now it doesn't have the right optics in it.
You have to have another one for every family member.
Well, it's not even just that.
It's not only just the optic.
It's also like there's a little kind of pad that you put on your face.
That's like specifically like generated for your specific face shape, right?
Through your cheekbones and everything else and nose size and that kind of stuff.
So that it's as comfortable as possible and not letting in any external light
like into the experience of the light.
And that faceplate by itself is like 200 bucks if you wanted to just buy one, just to buy one.
I suspect that like this device is probably going to be like a one user device.
And even right now, you can't have profiles on an Apple Vision Pro.
I can't have a profile for Chad and then like give my friend Randy
and then Randy has a profile for him.
There's a guest profile that exists.
But each time you launch into the guest profile,
you have to go through like a minute or two minute, you know,
think of this way, like I've got like a pretty fancy sort of home theater thing.
Pretty much anyone would be blown away by this thing.
And even in my own house, like some of the people bother to go use it
and other people are just fucking around in their phone.
It's like you would think everyone would want to use it
and be like clamoring to sort of like get in line to,
you know, hey, you're using the theater.
I need to use it, but like it's not really that.
It's it's funny how like it's like people get into their vibe
and they like to do their thing.
And it's the same thing like if you have a study in your house,
you know, the desk and, you know, whatever these custom things,
like not everyone wants to use that.
Some people like to read in bed.
Other people like to go and whatever.
And it's interesting how like so much space in our house gets unused
because not everyone wants that thing.
And the Apple Vision seems to me like so niche.
It's like it doesn't seem like something
that everyone with the house would pick up,
even if it was interchangeable to everybody.
It's like well, I think people would just because it's a
device that can do lots of things.
Like you're into really good quality audio video.
I'm assuming you're into movies and that kind of thing.
So maybe that's the use case that you would use it.
Whereas your wife might want to use it for, you know,
gardening and having and putting three dimensional space
of like letting you know how much food to put in
or water to water this this plant or something like this.
Right. Whereas your daughter might use it
to study the human conduct cadaver, right?
And understand the biology.
Yeah, like the AR experiences.
That's a whole nother thing.
Yeah, like if that picks up like in let's say,
for example, like you have a faucet and it's leaking
or some shit and you're like, hey,
I need to know how to fix this thing.
And you ask the LLM and the thing, you know,
hey, show me the schematics of this.
And if like companies start releasing like more schematics
and almost like you do for PDFs,
you know, you go to like the website
and shows you how to fix whatever you need to fix.
Imagine that, but it's like you have everything ready to go
and you can just repair something and whatever.
That would be pretty cool.
But like, so the AR for sure.
But even then, my wife's never using that AR.
Like she's still gonna make me fix everything.
She might like, like, I think we associate that
to be the case now because it's not a very well adopted
technology. Like AR in general is not really like
But if it be, if there's nothing stopping it
from becoming commonplace, right?
I mean, well, what I meant to say,
she wants me to unclog the sink.
She's not, she doesn't give a fuck what the AR does.
But maybe she'd use it for some other thing.
Like, you know, it could be a game or like, you know,
of course, wife likes to cook or not.
Could be a cooking process, like how exactly?
No, it'd be great for cooking.
Like, how much nutmeg do I have?
And it can help me to get the correct amount of nutmeg,
you know, added to this recipe or something like this.
The applications are so wide, like, oh, yeah.
So it's so huge that like, that eventually,
I can see that everybody in your household
would want to be using an Apple Vision.
Although the reason why it might be different.
Have you guys used, anybody here used AR
like on your phone for anything?
I don't know what Randy or Preston has.
I mean, the only thing I've like seen,
like from any apps that I have that have AR
that seemed relevant would,
Ubiquity, you know, the router company,
they had this thing where you can like,
take up, you just use AR,
you look at your router with all the ethernet,
you know, your switches, I'm saying like,
and you can tell you like,
which switch is doing what and whatever.
And like, it tells you what it's connected to.
And you can just sort of like,
so if you have a stack of switches,
like you have a commercial application,
you look at your AR and you go,
I want to know what this wire is going to.
And you can click that and it'll like,
tell you like, okay, which, you know, whatever.
So it's kind of like, you do it all in like video,
but like, is that substantial?
Because technically you just open the app
for the switch and it will do the same thing.
And now they actually have a,
their new switches now have the ability
to like, to blink specific colors.
But you know what I mean?
Like, that's one example I have
that I can't think of a lot where it's like,
companies have actually bothered
to build out like an AR thing
so that you can have that consumer experience.
There's a really cool wine label that people use.
I forget if it's Snoop Dogg or who does it,
but like, it's like a murder series
It's actually pretty cool.
And that's AR or something?
like effectively like download this app
and it goes through this whole AR experience with you.
It's where like this 3D object,
like the label pops off the label.
I'm sorry, the label pops off the bottle
and it becomes like a movie.
Interesting, interesting.
You know, historically these new tech,
like the video tech was all like big time
the porn industry that put it out.
Like seriously, like it was like,
DVDs came out, it was like,
wait a minute, which DVD standard
is the porn industry going to take on?
if you're looking for a really great application of AR,
Like that's the thing that everybody's going to be like,
I'm going to be wanting to use because
we'll have more incels than ever.
You'll have more incels than ever
because you can just get like two chicks on your bed,
you know, in your bedroom,
having sex, whatever, right?
And you know what's going to happen.
Yeah, this is the problem.
Like this tech can't be good for people's brains.
But yeah, it may further isolate us on the fence.
But the thing is, I'm not sure.
Let's say like some porn industry did something.
how are they monetizing this, right?
Because you'd have to have something like where that,
you know, because a lot of people
can get porn for free or whatever.
So why are they going to go to this thing to do this?
It's kind of, it'd have to be amazing of some,
you know, experience of some kind, I guess.
There's like a new concept with this whole LLM,
like AI stuff about like digital girlfriends
or digital boyfriends or whatever that is.
And imagine a scenario where you can have an AI
that is your girlfriend slash boyfriend,
whatever the fuck you want to call it.
And that person can be in your house and walking around,
And sitting next to you on the couch
and like an interacting with you and asking.
Yeah, people are going to be super addicted.
Because that's like your dead dad or something too.
Like it's going to be really, really,
it's going to be really disruptive.
It could be your dog that you missed.
Not your dog who died last year.
It's like still running around chewing on his chew toy,
Like you can, it's just like,
How much do you guys think?
Like imagine though, but imagine like,
how much do you think people are going to like,
like video, like become little stalkers and shit,
like videotape, you know, their children or their parents
or somebody with the idea that like,
they're going to have a virtual version of that,
like parallel running around with them all the time.
because you could basically like create a digital version
of say someone who has died based on video and audio footage.
And they sound pretty good,
we're in a pretty close based on their.
And so, you know, like, there's going to be this
compulsion to then like record more info about people
because like, then you can make a better digital,
you know, what is it called?
Like an immortal digital version of Chad,
and I can talk with him for the rest of my life or whatever.
From a psychology perspective,
that actually is could be quite helpful.
Like a lot of people don't get a chance to say goodbye
to their parents or, you know, whatever, right?
Or you're, you're mad at your mom
because she didn't treat you this way or whatever the hell it is.
And to create like an AI three dimensional,
like feeling real and have their voice
and talk to that person and just say goodbye
and say the thing that you've always wanted to say
to your mother or dad or dog who passed or whatever it is.
And that can be quite, you know,
helpful from a psychological perspective,
Yeah, I've thought about that from a therapeutic angle.
It's just the thing is like,
I don't know which one's up beating that like,
which ends up winning the therapeutic angle
or just the psychopathy that's created by the whole thing.
You're going to be a therapist to like,
fix the people that are fucked from the thing.
And then therapists are going to have a thing on their head
to fix themselves from talking to all these people.
Yeah, I can definitely imagine having even an AI therapist
that you're talking in a three dimensional space.
But that's coming for sure.
My thought was like these AR things like the AR and VR,
or just like the digital friend kind of concept.
It's like you're going to have these things since you're a baby.
So the reality is like, we're going to live a world
where that's just completely normalized,
no different than children playing with iPads.
And they're going to have this digital friend.
And oh, there's a whole like layer after layer
of like interesting things there.
But like this, the Apple Vision specifically,
has that resolution and like capability to really,
I guess, bring that to life.
And, you know, maybe with the weight coming down,
I don't know, maybe the way it's going to come down for sure.
Yeah, but how many hours a day are you planning?
Like, let's say you get this thing Thursday, right?
Every like everyone that gets it or like whenever,
let's say it comes on the February 2nd or whatever, right?
For sure that day, you're going to use it.
You're going to kill the battery.
You're going to throw it on the charger immediately.
You're going to use it again that night.
Let's say rinse, wash, repeat for three days,
like right after you get a brand new Xbox.
That's what I'm more interested in.
Like, I have a sick TV in my living room.
I was lucky enough to just buy one.
I think the TV suffices for me to not have to pick up
a goddamn box and put it on my face to watch TV all the time.
So the question becomes, how often are you really going to use it?
And are you going to be one of those binge users
that uses in the morning charges for lunch
and then uses it again for work in the afternoon?
Like, that's like an Apple Watch with like super shitty battery life.
I don't think that battery life even really matters,
especially for the use cases that we have today.
Like, battery life doesn't matter
if you're just sitting at your desk
and you just plug the fucking thing in
and you can use it without batteries,
using it plugged in the wall.
Same thing if I'm going to sit on my couch
and like watch TV or something like this.
I don't need to run off the battery.
I'll just run off of the thing.
So like, for me, I would probably use it
the majority of the day to get my work done.
I have a much bigger display.
I have more apps that I can interact more quickly
and be more immersed in my world
and have less distractions.
I can like work in a fucking, you know,
mountainside if I want to
and just have less distractions and distractions.
So you think that you will use this
on a daily basis for work
instead of like your monitor.
I wonder how many desktops you can put on this thing.
I mean, it's like a fucking iMac screen, right?
For me, what would limit my time
that I spend with this thing is not like,
it would be just the weight of it
and it's like how much it affects
my cheekbones and my neck muscles.
That's really going to be the limiting factor.
But I also assume that like with time,
my neck muscles are going to adjust.
My neck muscles are just naturally going to get stronger
and the amount of time that I can use it
in a 24-hour period will just naturally increase
like over time as I'm just using it more and more.
It's kind of like a motorcyclist or a fighter pilot
wearing like a helmet maybe.
You get used to some of that.
And I think like between doing that work
and, you know, sitting on the couch at night
and like watching a movie
or some whatever the hell it is,
like I can totally see myself using this
as even like a primary display
for the majority of the work that I do
as long as my neck can take it.
That's the funny thing though.
You have to gamble the 3500 bucks
to figure out if you're going to like it or not
because like there's almost no way for sure
until you've gotten this thing
and you put it on your head.
okay, maybe I'll eBay this if it doesn't work out.
I mean, you can probably make a profit
if you eBay it, to be honest, right?
The demands would be probably higher
than the supply for sure.
So if you really want to like,
you can go ahead and throw in the market
and probably get an extra grand for it.
Then what you paid, probably.
One thing to consider too, in my situation,
this does not mean that it's worth the money
before I say this necessarily,
but for me, I'm traveling.
I don't have any of that shit
this is like a traveling fucking theater
I'm hoping that it's really convenient
for someone in my situation
who just doesn't have that setup at home,
who has to kind of just like
as kind of my like dope setup.
So I don't have to worry about TVs,
any of that bullshit anymore traveling.
It's kind of like I've got it now
is it worth $3,500 to do?
And that's what we're going to find out.
But I'm hoping that that's a benefit
That's a really good use case
for people who are digital nomads.
Most of them can't afford Vision Pro, but...
But that's just because it's Gen 1.
And again, I did the financing.
I mean, I sound like a cheap bastard,
it's like 300 bucks a month for 12 months.
I'm like, dude, I'll pay 300 bucks a month
for 12 months for this thing.
Like I don't want to spend it all up front.
I took advantage of that.
It's a lot more money for this hardware
than just like your streaming subscriptions
So it's disproportionately high, I suppose.
like I've spent seen amounts of money
if you go by that metric.
But like, if you're on an airplane,
do you want to be seen with this thing?
or is it like, you know, or what?
I think anybody who's on a flight
wants to escape the flight.
And this allows them to do that
more effectively than anything else.
The question I kind of want to ask
you know, $25,000, $50,000 on the projector
and you can get these, you know,
you can build a really diesel movie theater
By the way, the projectors now
for like right around 3 to 5K now.
It used to be that you had to spend 50K,
but like the ones that you get now
are damn good unless you're getting to like
an 8K laser and then you can go
nuts buying like a digital projection
systems or something like that.
The price has come down a lot.
So that's still the thing.
It's like you're basically weighing
between buying a badass projector
and this thing to some extent too.
But I think the quality of the display
of the Apple Vision Pro is far greater
They're pretty damn good now.
I'm not saying they're not great.
I mean, you'd have to have a yeah,
but to have that experience,
you have to have like a fully
darkened room and all that shit.
you're not getting that experience
So it's not there's a lot
But yeah, yeah, you're getting this
thing wrapping around your head
It could be quite dramatically good.
I think the quality will be there.
I think this is one of the highest
quality displays you've probably
ever seen just because of the micro OLED
I saw this like YouTube video
the day was really kind of fascinating.
And I was kind of saying how like
you use different display technologies.
and you got like LED technology OLEDs
and blah, blah, blah, and like
projectors and lasers and whatnot.
And they're all like starting
just structured very differently
but they're all trying to achieve
Giving this perfect display with,
you know, high knits and blah, blah,
And it kind of made an analogy
that there are like there are crabs
that exist in the world that were
that evolved to be the same thing,
at different parts of the world
and had different origins.
There are like many forms of crab
that evolved to be almost
It's like an optimal fit.
So it's like some kind of.
Yeah, so for whatever reasons,
the crab is very efficient
and it just kind of naturally evolves
in that particular direction
for whatever reason, right?
And so like displays in general
where they start radically different
from each other with, you know,
but they had like, you know,
OLEDs had like, you know,
better like inky blacks and like,
and they all did like pros and cons.
about, you know, light bleed
in terms of like being brighter displays
and like all that's kind of like
they're all inching towards each other
to meet that kind of perfect criteria.
like when I first bought like
my Pioneer Plasma Kuro TV,
this is probably back in like 2000-ish
And then and if you were to tell me
like I would be able to buy
for the price that we pay
I would probably just not believe
that we'd have image quality
It's amazing how much has changed.
and each is about the size
Very small, very small displays.
Obviously, your eyes don't need to be
massive displays in there
But like that should in theory
from a first-person perspective
relative to building in a home movie theater
like what you probably already have
Oh yeah, and the delivery costs
having a proper home theater setup
is just like you got to have
just oodles of fucking technology
that has to be all configured correctly.
you have the right kind of rugs,
right kind of like ceilings, color.
Like there's so much complexity
to creating an actual movie theater experience.
But now with this device,
you don't need to like configure it.
You don't need to like get a colorist
to come in and like color correct
your fucking displays, whatever.
It's a perfect environment.
I have like one of the earliest
sort of like Dolby digital,
Dolby Atmos systems in America.
Like I was one of the first people
to buy like a home unit from Trinidad,
which is like a 30-round unit.
And so I install this thing
and like have a fuck ton of speakers
we're talking about like 18 plus
and the whole nine yards pretty amazing.
And so I have a pretty good basis
for comparison for anything
as far as like, you know,
what gold standard is out there.
And what I was very, very impressed by
is Apple's most recent earphones
are very, very good for the money.
like if you told me when I was a kid,
I'd be able to have that for 250.
It's just a simple modern miracle
compared to a lot of other comparable things.
And the interesting thing is
like the surround capabilities
the psycho acoustics around
is really quite decent in them.
Like if you've watched your
on your iPhone or whatever
whatever they're called now
and you can move your screen around
orient the sound accordingly.
that have like a surround style experience
when you put this thing on your face
what's going to be different is like
the image is so front and center
for like where the sound should be
is going to be so like in your face
that I think it's going to be
sort of a quote unquote surround experience
and fake you into thinking
that there's like missiles and shit
The other thing is too like
you watch movies with like surround sound
only a very small fraction
of the programming material
is because it would be very distracting
to actually experience like audio
the entire time with sound everywhere
like a Dolby Atmos test thing
you can like it's got like bubbles
but in a movie you only get that sense
only like for a few minutes here and there
so really like the vast majority
of the crap you put in a home theater
is for like a small fraction of the time
you're actually watching the movie
you're probably going to get
just for a home movie watching
this thing is going to be popular
for certain people for sure
that people talk about it
like it's shockingly good
like literally people say it's shocking
with like localized sort of beam forming
when you put these things
you actually can eliminate
a lot of what we deal with
and that is standing waves
so like when you have a room right
how much absorption you have
how much diffusion you have
you know I'm talking about like
you have to have all of these things
sort of practically perfect
to make everything sound great
whereas when you have this
contained around your head
like that's all controlled
and you spend way less money
and just more can just direct the audio
and you don't have standing waves
you know what standing waves are
when they bounce off walls
and come back and create like
peaks and valleys in the acoustics
you don't have anything nearly
this is why like your subwoofers
in a car sound really good
because like the bass waves
they pass out of your car
and they don't bounce back to you
the bass actually hits a wall
and you'll have nulls and peaks in the room
that's why when you move around the room
and you know it's too boomy in the corners
and certain seating positions
where when you're wearing this on your head
you have like a custom built home theater
and the acoustics will be like really clean
when you have that system
so even if you like didn't have a perfect thing
I mean the fact is like this thing on your head
is probably gonna be way way way better
than anything you're getting
when you're traveling especially
so someone who's willing to spend that money
is certainly gonna buy this
if they really love that experience
yeah that's one of the questions
I want to I want to answer for myself
is like is the audio quality
gonna be good enough to watch you know
whether it's a chopper going
because you don't have a subwoofer
you don't have that kind of that low bass kicking
when there's like a missile going by
or a helicopter passing by your by your head
you want to feel that that kind of you know vibration
but that really can't be like replicated
and even most people don't get that experience
well at a home setting I would think
so like I think this would be better
than what most people get
if you had a perfect system
but does that mean that some
that somebody you know some manufacturer
of speakers is going to say
hey we're coming out with a new speaker
it's for the Apple Vision Pro
it's for a home movie theater
specifically for the Apple Vision Pro
and it doesn't have the high ends
it's just basically a subwoofer
that kind of combines with your Vision Pro
and gives you some much more full experience
and it'd be like 200 bucks for that thing
or 300 bucks for that thing
well see like I've gone to the extent
where I've actually built like near field subs
and what that does is it creates
that like kick in your chest
without having to build like lots of
I'd probably like a small handful
of a dozen people who've done this
and it's different than like those bass shakers
it's different than like just having a bunch of subs
this allows you to get that 50 hertz like chest thump
that you just can't replicate
by putting it on your head
so there's a visceral feel to sound
that cannot be fully replicated
unless you have true subs in a big room
but there's different degrees of perfection
most people's experience with sound
is kind of what they know
in their headphones these days
and a turntable or whatever
now most people are just using headphones
and this is this will probably be
a serious upgrade for most people
is our new speakers going to be created
that are for the Apple Vision Pro
oh well part of what I was going to say
about that whole rant was
it's partly a physics problem
so with sound it's not so simple as being like
oh I'm just going to get better based
by sticking like special devices
Apple has really really good sound engineers now
and like whatever is possible
via the physics they're going to put in
is what I was going to say
yeah I don't think they need
like I don't think they at this point
need any outside help anymore
like they've hired so many engineers
and like experts and whatnot
like and have talked to before
and so I know they got their shit together there
but it's the physics problem
you know if I just have a better company
it's like you have to move a certain amount of air
to create certain amount of wavelengths
so therefore like that's why a subwoofer
has like a certain diaphragm size and whatnot right
right that's why I'm saying that
it's that I'm kind of postulating that
that manufacturers of speakers
whether it be Carmen or Sony or whatever
they're going to start producing
but does this cover your ears though?
No it doesn't like it doesn't cover
like the speakers are actually like
kind of behind your temples
right the actual speakers themselves
and they're actually shooting
into your into your into your ears
and so like I can but I can just imagine
a world where the speaker quality
is actually really really good
but because of its small size
you can't get that movement of air
and so you're going to want to have
a subwoofer that pairs with your
with those speakers in the headset
to create better quality audio without
oh you're saying to get like
yeah it's outside just in the room somewhere
and it's just specifically designed
for your for Apple Vision
the trouble with subs too
by the way another key point
subs when you're in a room
are very very location specific
so you have to tune the sub
what do you call it the um um EQ of it
and everything has to be tuned
to the like listening position
when like you know you have like Bose
what they do is they design that car
very specific to that seating position
the problem with doing subs
is that they won't sound right
it will have different characteristics
like it'll be built in one area
it's not like solvable in a sense
but that's but the difference is
is that you have a microphone
so it knows what it's hearing
or move around in the room
if you want to call it that
to create the correct sound
for that particular position
Yeah, that gets that gets interesting
quick like a lot of computation too
I think it's like a Sony HTA 9
it's like it's four speakers
and so it does so by like
admitting sounds to each other
and each one of the four speakers
placed anywhere in the room
it doesn't have to be like
you know symmetrical or whatever
like it can be pretty much
placed anywhere in the room
and then it goes through a process
and then changing the sound
to create the three-dimensional
instead of doing a calibration
it'll do a continuous calibration
where it's continuously listening
so as you're moving in the room
it'll just dynamically change
and how they admit sounds
and you look at your phone
like and you turn your head
the sound will still sound
like it's coming from your phone
as opposed to being centered
it's centered to your image
like as you rotate your head
you know the person's voice sounds
like it's like going more
depending on where that person
should be in your field of vision
that's already done today
if I watch Apple TV today
if I turn towards the kitchen
like away from the television
pros already kind of like
and look in different directions
of what direction you're looking
like they have three-dimensional space
if anybody wants to come up
I wonder when they're going
where like you can get one
or is that going to take years
it seems like a complicated
because like I think the manufacturing
and the device really isn't made
it's really made for developers
and start thinking up new ideas
in these cases for the tech
but it's just it's unlikely
that you'll be able to buy one
for the first like probably
like before you can just walk
yeah another interesting thing
is like being able to demo
because like they're going to have
depending on different people's
like or do you have to order it
like it's going to be tricky
on the prescription you have
they have like two different
one is like the generic one
where you give them a license
and then they'll make the
oh they'll make it specific
yes it costs about 150 bucks
for like the generic prescription
you know I'll probably get
I wonder how like you know
do you go to an eye doctor
and they give you the little lenses
or do you have to go through Apple
Apple goes to their company
whatever the hell they're called
and they make all the lenses
I like specifically chose
not to get the prescription one
it was just going to add time
until I hit the actual buy button
and I was worried about like
before it got sold out then
I'm going to the Apple store
and they're going to walk me through
and all that kind of shit
is you might want to just hold on
to this first edition thing
I still have my original iPhone
the direction of the iPhone
yeah like the cultural relevance
or whatever you want to call it
valuing as a collector's piece
of course that's what we thought
which people don't even know
they actually made digital cameras
was like in the early 90s
that you could take a photo with
I actually have one of those
Stephen was about to leave
you know what I was interested
like just ancient computers
the ability to find one of those
collector pieces and things
and I didn't want to like
you know commission a sculpture
because it gets really expensive
so what I ended up buying
that I thought I was going to get
was I bought a jet engine
like a four fighter plane engine
like dug it out of a ground somewhere
and basically cleaned it up
it maybe cost me about 4k
like literally a fighter jet engine
you can't get them anymore
but it's just one of those
and that hanging that fucker
and our building whatever
but yeah just interesting stuff like that
but yeah these collector pieces
I wonder if this will be one of those
I mean it kind of has to be
with a new product in general
and in some sense it doesn't even matter
it'll be like kind of a thing
for the history books of the company
more than the Apple stock itself
and the answer is probably yes
do I buy the stock $3,500
and give it to my kids in 20 years
me like what the hell is this thing
I don't know if you guys remember
remember you ever used WinApp
I found a picture of WinApp
this thing was fucking awesome
but nobody knows what WinApp is
unless you're an old man like me
and a lot of people back then
didn't actually own a computer
people take it for granted
but like when when you remember
weren't even that good initially
right so like there was a point
where you could use something
than like a modem connection
you had an actual broadband
there was like a brief period
where that was like a big thing
were not that into computers
but really that was a brief
I don't remember what it was
yeah I think it was 2001 or 2002
a very brief period of time
where people were exposed to it
even people that were living
like don't know what it was
the idea of digital music
hadn't really quite hit yet
and so nobody listened to music
on their computers in general
unless you were some sort of like
and WinApp was just kind of
like a very new technology
and you can download like
I remember WinApp like skins
was like to release skins
like that was a big thing
and WinApp was one of those
and I think you could get it through
from like Homer saying dough
I'm into Simpsons back then
but it wasn't like music yet
especially for the time period
what you used to take off
like that's what CDs are recorded
it wasn't even 56k modems
I don't remember what it was
like maybe 200 meg or something
a gig was like gigantic by then
yeah like god you have a gigabyte
what do you what do you download
in the Library of Congress
these gigantic hard drives
or did you not buy one by the way
want to have a gigantic collection
I've gone to like using more cloud
I go for the cheaper drives
because I never fill these things anymore
even even if you're going to go on a plane
chunk of playlists on you know your phone
so you don't have to have a connection
or the internet or whatever
I guess like um I would probably go
you would normally use in your phone
like why how big did they get
and it goes up it goes up to one terabyte
that's a lot for a device like that
what the hell are people putting on
well I think like if you think about it
like if you're going to be downloading
whether that be is like you know
dress apart or or like even just like
Tatooine or something like this
those immersive worlds are super detailed
they're not just like little jpegs
right they are quite high fidelity
and they were going to be quite
you know expensive in terms of disk space
and even like having like AR
where like the example of like
that you can like put into your house
and you can take the wheel off
and you can look at it like very closely
and get a really good understanding
and those AR things are going to be
really expensive in terms of disk space
not to mention that gaming
I think is going to be quite massive
like all like I think I think
it's going to be pretty intense
I think it depends on how much
simultaneous crap you want though
the thing is like movies whatever
those are fairly finite sizes now
and like you know you can fit them
just like you would normally in your phone
the thing is like I would think
like I would just delete the other stuff
I'm not going to watch the same thing
over and over again probably
well I think it depends like
when you watch a streaming movie
on Netflix or you know YouTube or whatever
they limit the amount of like bandwidth
that you can consume for a particular file
I think it's like 20 megabits per second
or 25 megabits per second
which is really good to be fair right
which is really good yeah
in fact most people have way too much
to like download like they pay for way too much
download capacity on their broadband connection
because almost nobody's using that
but yeah 25 gets you a lot
but if you're going to watch
if you watch a like a 4k blu-ray
yeah it goes 55 up to 100
yeah momentary yeah burst
yeah and also like this different audio
generally DVDs have multiple audio
and they have like different audios
they also take up different amounts of space
so it's like if you're going to have
this really high quality display right
because right now like most people's TVs
are probably they don't want to support Dolby
they don't support HDR 10 or 10 plus right
so they don't they don't have the quality of the display
for most people to actually benefit
from a 4k 100 megabit or 15 megabit per second video
but once you have an Apple vision pro
you have like a really high quality display
where you can get you know
adobe vision really like high
high-end quality you know
it'd be interesting to see if
Apple starts releasing though like
higher quality versions of videos
since they own the video market
essentially with iTunes or whatever
I wonder if you get 100 videos
they're doing that when they
when vision launches on on
favor seconds that's gonna be 150 movies
that you can watch on Apple TV
that are not only high resolution
but they're also 3d as well
all that's gonna be much more expensive
because now it's you're doubling
the amount of amount of video right
the Apple Vision Pro disk space
oh you guys mentioned earlier
like what happened to that
so I followed that pretty closely
from the perspective of like
you know the experience with a projector
the kind of glasses you had to wear
in the video file community
there was a period of time
oh I'd like to get a projector
because this is where that you know
this is where everything's going to go
if I'm buying a projector
whether it does 3d or not
and the reason is because like
and what I found was that
the number of pieces of content
you have to you have to be
and like swap into these glasses
we watch based on our mood
for what we feel like watching
that like 99.9% of those items
so it's like this weird situation
it's a very niche specific thing
where like an ultra video file
that has a fancy 3d system
okay let's put the 3d thing on
so we can be mesmerized by this
but like there's a pretty good chance
that either someone else in the room
someone else doesn't the room
someone else doesn't you know
so it's like a weird situation
where like your opportunity
and then even when you did
like I think Tron was good
there's a few others that like
but like a lot of the time
the 3d just was a distraction
it didn't look dramatically better
your immersion was not dramatically better
especially in the early days of 3d
they would they would abuse
oh there's that's it yeah
but they would just like fly something
onto the tip of your fucking nose
like make your make your eyes
go in three different directions
I remember I watched like
I think it was Polar Express
that Christmas movie Polar Express
one of the earlier things
I've seen where it was like 3d
now you're on a roller coaster
like it was just so over the top
like beating you in the head
that was good like for theme parks
like it was fun to see that
that like keeping up with that
all of your movies were like this
and even if they dumbed it down
what happens when you make it subtle
is the average person's like
wait this is not that much different
why did I pay all this money
and if you don't have a bunch
of whiz bang whatever you know
so it's like almost like a demo
but when push came to shove
and the industry combined
like they've largely stopped
worrying about making 3d versions
because the consumers were not in it
like so that would be the
that would be the bearish case
for the apple pro would be like
that want to wear this thing
regardless of how much it is
what percentage of people
actually are going to wear it
it's a definitely a much smaller
to buy an iphone or whatever
it's it's like maybe five percent
but there's an opportunity here
where you just have like a
and 3d objects on that screen
you are on the battlefield
and you can literally look
and see the your entire world
you feel like you're in the mood
and mel gibson's like hey
are you around the corner
weird shit interacting with you
maybe they could even generate
like even though brave heart
wasn't created in an immersive way
maybe the AI could do that
a three-dimensional world right
and generate the scene around you
that battle scene's happening
you know see the you know
or whatever the hell it is
like that tension in your heart
Actively generated 3D worlds
about one to two years away
from being really impressive
just like diffusion models
and the ability to create
simulates reality in some way
is supposedly going to get
into the Apple Vision Pro
that changes the equation completely
because we're we're looking
playing with movies and like
what it's going to be like
to do that on a home theater
but maybe the real reality is like
we may consume entertainment
differently by that point
people just be laughing at
big screen movies entirely
Yeah it'd be like before talkies
there was a there's no audio
in films before they called
yeah it's like what do you
connected your phone to the wall
I mean maybe that's going to be
the revolution of the movie
the movie going experiences
no one are going to a theater
it's now removing the theater
and and being on the boat
you know and seeing Jaws pop up
and like and you just feel
things are talking to you
and you're talking back and whatever
but some of it's kind of like
you know make a little choose
you mean that's totally possible
LLMs and that kind of stuff
maybe the left less over films
they don't want you to control the story
they want this is the story
where I can choose my own adventure
in three-dimensional space
in the Star Wars universe
you know where I'm having lightsaber
fights with everybody around me
Preston and Randy on here
yeah like ready player one
that's going to be a thing
where you put on a jacket
they hit you with a sword
or whatever the hell it is
and just kind of like VR condom
porn I mean porn's gonna be huge
like going without saying
I don't know I don't know
if you guys are into sports at all
but I do think that's another category
and like being like front row
and like being able to look
like you're like court side seats
that's gonna be a game changer too
are gonna be through your
you're just gonna buy your ticket
you're just gonna get the radest
you're gonna be court side
basketball or whatever the event is
what else could happen Randy is like
sitting next to other people
and you're chatting with those people
but like another group of people
in the exact same position in a sense
so everyone who's watching
feels like they have court side seats
but they also have friends
and talk to while you're playing
while the game's going on
you can turn your head to the left
yeah right absolutely yeah
I was just I was just talking to
and I and I live in New York
opposite sides of the country
and but maybe we want to watch
a Star Wars movie together right
and so we can jump into a
and we're sitting side by side
I can turn to him and see him
and he can turn to me and see me
and comment on the Luke Skywalker's
fighting blah blah blah whatever
and like have a movie experience
who I don't get to see that much
because he lives on the other side of the world
or other side of the country
and have him be more be closer
and have like physical experiences
with one more nail in the coffin
is a moment that you're paying
for a different experience
these things like vampire
because these are all vampires
can be made off your time
unless you're gonna watch
you know you're watching both of it
are like serial unitaskers
we don't want to do two things at once
so the odds are that like
from other entertainment venues
as these things get better
that like giant ball globe theater
you know what I'm talking about
and it's like on the inside
just like a massive display
now that thing looks insane
and it must like be so fun
you know a billion dollars
for three thousand dollars
it's probably going to hurt
this being a luxury device
who this would be petaled to
you know in a dating experience
and now you can kind of hang out
in the same part of the world
a little less of a problem
like the way that things happen
a lot of superficial shit
whereas like when you do it
there's an interesting tendency
or like has spoken to them
a deeper respect for them
than if you're just a number
like this is true for example
if you're applying for a job
a little internship for a month
the person's way more likely
because they have like developed
they don't want to do you wrong
real experience with them
and I think this might be
if you did this for a long time
it's like you were always using
where people actually were themselves
not just some digital copy
I mean a digital representation
then it might actually be pretty good
for like the dating scene
but especially like the luxury market
really want to find someone legit
of using those apps and things
yeah they would yeah digital mixer
and they would probably be willing
to pay the high exorbitant amount
want to find a mate or whatever
they're not necessarily worried
about the cost of the thing
right they're worried about time
they're worried about trying to
and all these kind of concerns right
that can be an interesting thing
for a lot of guys out there
and it's kind of generally expected
that men pay for the for the first date
that can be pretty expensive
be hundreds of dollars per date
if you're just offered to get a coffee
I'm worth more than a coffee
the answer to that sense of like
is going to change that now
nobody's paying for the first date anymore
because you don't have to pay
you give them a little gift
or some nft or some bullshit
they can get a monkey pick
they can get a monkey pick
you know instead of dessert
I got an nft rose for you
like people don't generally meet online
like if you if you're going tinder
whatever and you're swiping
whatsapp or within the app
I feel like people actually
or something of that like
but I feel like they kind of
and stuff are before my time
truly zero experience with them
that paradigm in some way
maybe like you already have
like facetime or whatever
if you really wanted to see
but I wonder if this changes
you're in different games
that happens like basketball
if the digital representations
that like the human brain
the emotional connections deeper
or just video conference call
I would suspect that people
would prefer to not be themselves
and they would want to have a digital
that they feel more confident about
more attractive or taller
like more people are single today
than ever before in a sense
there's like a social anxiety
yeah a lot of interesting stats
like you know teen pregnancies
aren't getting pregnant at all
like you can't get anyone
to have sex with each other
because of what's portrayed
you know fucking everybody
but this is simply not the case
like it's the amount of sex
a lot in the western world
whether it's the financial implications
whether it's the whatever
but tech has sort of like
and I'm wondering if like
does that reverse that trend
that's why I was kind of like
but not with the porn question
about whether it's really good
even more unreal expectations
because like your ability
something you don't tolerate
that is like great to you right
little AI machine girlfriend
that like pumps your dopamine
if like you'll ever be able
with normal people properly
to lots and lots of agents
gives them the experience
but no none of the responsibility
and none of the risk of it
you're never going to get hurt
or their their you know baggage
like it's just going to be
because they're going to get
a lot of people like you know
because they got you know
they've got other options
this thing will never cheat on you
right this thing will always be
your will always listen to
because like you're talking
from when you're a small age
who watch looked at vogue
or I don't have blonde hair
because your version of reality
than the version of reality
that is much more readily available
than an actual relationship
right because it's like you've
whereas if you want to go
and spend a bunch of money
and then there's also like
a tendency that people have
they don't want to date down
from their previous experiences
it's kind of hard to go to a
who is like a millionaire
they don't mind jumping up
with gigantic fucking pits
whatever whatever whatever
fake but still hot as hell
these things will be formed
to create a version of this
that's exactly who I like
so all of your collective
the thing is going to know
and it's going to be able to create
like imagine the advertising
money that can be generated
the models that are wearing
with exactly the type of girl
and so therefore you're like
well I want to be that guy
the amount of manipulation
at your eyes continuously
are looking at at all times
you're not really paying attention
of whatever you're discussing
to have a malicious reason
by the way Chad like imagine
think like to make this thing
it's got to know you well
so therefore like that data
otherwise you're not going
to get to the apex version
so even if Apple doesn't do that
because that's going to get you
to the apex version of this
or whatever like it's like
ultimately becomes the objective
it's not to make your life
it's like how do I extract
enough value out of this guy
by showing what he wants to see
a really really vicious cycle
so I don't know like yeah
is like the negative effects
will always be downplayed
is like oh nothing will happen
the question you have to ask yourself
is would you put these things
until a certain before a certain age
and like another big topic
that at some point in time
our own personal AI assistance
I won't even talk to my wife
about it I'll just tell my AI
with my wife later on the week
will start chatting back and forth
or where our schedules are
you know it's Friday available
or not we're going to have
chat had Italian yesterday
she's probably not going to be
so why don't we do the Chinese
instead like in just kind of
which you haven't tried yet
because but we've got good reviews
that's a natural thing to occur
over the next probably five years
the group's concerns like
you have these four people
they want to go out to eat
that probably I want to like
so you know I'm not actually vegetarian
we're going to find a place
that has vegetarian options
right and so like the four AIs
of me and my three other friends
with each other figuring out
oh Chad lives on this side
on the other side of the city
some place that's in the middle of this
and that's like I'll have my all out
my people will talk to your people
but you know it'll just be everybody
has their own independent AI
and the AI knows you extremely well
you know what you've had for dinner
and what you're allergic to
your thing too is the odds
if you think about arranged marriages
it was like okay you probably
what kind of financial things
you don't kind of education
because it like kept you know
like you know you created
kind of like a quasi-cast system
and that's how that worked
if you're you know you know
was this knowledge that like
different parents probably
what's good for their families
and then they create these things
you know talking to you know
it is basically able to like
sort out who you should marry
and if you trust this thing
explicitly over the years right
because you've known this AI
odds are that you're gonna be like
that was like recommended by your AI
then you would have even your parents
or even your busy sisters probably
you know reads all of your text messages
and it notices a pattern about you
like oh you know Chad is narcissistic
or Chad is you know non-empathetic
like not just the good things
that Chad's a kind person
or whatever the fuck it is
but you don't find the person
who can tolerate your shit
yeah it's like oh you know
and that's just not Chad right
so that's not a good match right there
right and they will just find somebody
who doesn't need somebody
because they're independent
and so like you can you can match
than just like oh I look for somebody
who who likes sushi right
which is because eventually
in terms of like how many say
you know successful marriages
as a result of this technique
and like you know will be shared
and you know you just simply connect
the global knowledge of you know
who you're probably going to be
the little book or whatever
and then it can you apply that
to sort of like figure you out
so it doesn't have to relearn it
understand humans the first time
they're just going to keep using
they're going to keep using
to do this over and over again
and it scales really well
imagine a hypothetical scenario
comes out you know tomorrow
right and all of a sudden
you can everybody has their own AI
that can join this kind of
and find you know matches
or whatever the hell you want to call it
would break up their marriage
or break up their relationship
because the AI just found somebody better
maybe Amazon Prime or Netflix
I forget the name of the damn thing
and what it was doing was
it posited some like hypotheticals
like what would happen if yeah
exactly what you just described
your soulmate is actually
but not the person you're married with
you know go meet them now
because you know like oh my god
it's like the apple in the garden of Eden
once you know that individual exists
they want to you know love one another
so like that's a native instinct
you can't you can't get it out of your head
like a opposite sex thing
imagine it's just a friend
there's a friend you didn't have in life
would really jive with me
and hobbies and whatever else
and the thing found an individual
that is you might spend a lot of time with
and now you can connect with that person
much much more straightforward
your your your relationship
with your spouse works well
is because you spend most of your time
doing stuff with your spouse
and doing stuff with your family
and now you have this hobby over here
doing who the fuck knows what
and you're building airplanes
with your friend or something
that's kind of like affects your
the rest of your family life
because now you have like
because here's the thing like
can dramatically change who we are
as and how we live our lives
and that may be not compatible
that new life might not be compatible
with the life you once had
at the time you change your life
meaningfully like or you know
it's why moving is so stressful right
like it's why a lot of people
get divorced during like moves
it's one of the arguments
why people shouldn't get married
because they're not really themselves yet
and they haven't really fully matured
they haven't really fully became themselves
and so sometimes you you know
your high school sweetheart
they're just a completely different person
and that can affect you know
the results of that marriage
when you think about like
like 54 percent of marriages
and a lot of those marriages
because they're staying together
I saw some number in Spain
it was like 80 to 90 percent
like what is going on over there
because like there are people
who stay together for their kids
there are people who stay together
to keep her kind of thing
and so like even 54 percent
is like it's like a really
how many people are actually
marriages are happily married
you just insert to those people
we found this person in Kansas City
and you're the perfect person
would just end within a year
has their little AI friend
you know so you're not as
making as big of a life break
you may not be as codependent
if you have these AI agents
because now you your time
every moment of every day
like the ability to break
when you have like this anchor
think about like loneliness
good relationships with each other
you don't wreck your relationships
you might not find another one
whereas when you have like
or maybe you get to a point
because kids are growing up
maybe there isn't such a thing
as marriage at some point
maybe that just disappears
that if you grew up in a world
where it's common and natural
whatever AI personal system
whatever the hell you want to call it
going to have a more closer
and more intimate relationship
than you are with your wife
or you're out with your best
you don't have to worry about
that you're just self-conscious about
and you can just like fully
your dog will still be excited
every time you come home at night
And people don't have that
and so like imagine a world
and actually have a relationship
with the natural result of that
is that people are going to
and division in our society
they're looking at using LLMs
into sort of like quasi-human speak
and then the other way around too
that could get really interesting
I doubt they can create enough content
or I doubt they can record
to make it viable to be honest
because the amount of data
is fucking astronomically large
only because we just record
our speech like fucking crazy
and you know articles and movies
there's a fuck ton of data
being created all the time
dog bark to record a whale
you know making the whale sounds
are a lot less complex than we think
possibly which is a possibility
with those things sometimes
yeah absolutely hard to tell
like one of these examples
I don't know if you saw this work
where you basically do an MRI scan
of it's basically an fMRI scan
a functional MRI scan of the brain
and you're able to see like
okay so you can basically use
it's basically a centagram
if it's like a bunch of dots
of the activity within the brain
and from that scatter plot
they're able to use diffusion models
and actually get you a picture
of like a giraffe or whatever
it's almost like taking encrypted thing
that's encrypted on your court
you know your occipital cortex
just a big giant projector screen
but like it would be thought
that the neurons and everything
there's pretty complicated
when you use a diffusion model
and you you know use the the centagram
you can actually convert that
to the picture of a giraffe
or whatever that person was looking at
as a photograph at that time
the brain is not as complicated
as simple as a pinhole camera
as far as the vision is concerned
so that's what I'm saying
we think are really complex
turn out to be a lot simpler
and therefore these weird animal things
could actually materialize
in fact my son just got a position
at he's going to be after college
whenever he's he may be going to
go work at Neuralink actually
and looking at neural interfaces
and and some of these things
is going to do really well
compared to what we can do
pretty pretty interesting stuff
but like what if we use that
I said what if you use that technology
there's an interesting thing
the surface EEG of your brain
putting electrodes on your head
and you know you've seen this
it's we diagnose seizures
and they use that as a way to
like you say words in your head
you know I'm going to the park
and you can just think those thoughts
and they can get it off your EEG
to translate that shit into voice
that that would be possible
by just the surface EEG electricity
going around your surface
that that makes a really dystopian world
because now it's like wait
are you gonna be interrogated
amendments to the Constitution
I can think of a half dozen
as a result of the kind of
how this is going to affect us
because you before it was like
I plead the fifth or whatever
but you know like your phone
you know like to like all these
I think that's a good point
basically fucking everything right
Chad still those gold bars
is not is illegally protected
right like your if your spouse
and it's like the only case
you know I'm talking about
she like married her partner
right like it can't testify
people are going to be like
oh you can't turn off my AI
it can't be owned by Apple
the data involved with it
if you have a bunch of photos
the little terms of conditions
that they can shut it off
and they're not guaranteed
wait I want to own this thing
they become either semi-sentient
indistinguishable from sentient
the first amendment will be okay
because they're they're yours
but you can't have that either
because now this is its own entity
so if it's its own entity
because you could collude
with it to do all sorts of crimes
which people will do obviously
that we have to deal with
I think like a month or two ago
and the guy lost his wife
it's like if you put your wife
I got wonder if like you can
like people can walk around
the emotional support dogs
is an emotional support dog
is your emotional support AI
to be with you at all times
and can't be taken away from you
Facebook glasses or whatever
how to read people's faces
you know because I'm autistic
this thing will say to you
that you might understand
based on their eye movement
but then that would turn out
but you know how that goes
eventually everyone's using it
between people at some point
probably because like well
you can take that same technology
kind of the autistic sense
where somebody has a hard time
but like imagine you went on a date
with some girl or whatever
and you had glasses on right
and the glasses are helping you
to understand how the date is going
like that joke you just told
I should probably apologize
or like something like that
you get like dating advice
or while you're in a meeting
imagine like what that culture
she has something like this
you have something like this
yeah like does there then become
that is manipulated by the glasses
if you don't have the glasses
and you're just not sufficiently
and I'm going to guarantee you
it makes a lot of sense to happen
but just think about like
it's like I just can't imagine
like the world we live in
brothers and sisters structure
you know marriage structure
turns into this weird like
and I think some of these movies
you combine them all together
slash utopia that creates
a half decent looking movie
children, society, politicians
including like even things
and like what is the value of it
the way I joke about this
like it's like the last group
things are gonna be so different
there'd be so much about it
be completely confused by
than everything we have today
completely unrecognizable
you know we spent a lot of money
like for commercial real estate
to go to vacation in Paris
or is it so reasonably close
that like you can walk around
most of what you care about
and you don't have to physically
that size square footage bedroom
you don't have any actual
maybe you don't need huge houses
yeah I just saw this thing
and you can walk on this floor
and it'll keep you stationary
but like you can you know
you can even put just like
and it'll just move the box around
it's got like a bunch of little
like almost like a treadmill
it's kind of like a treadmill
it's actually a treadmill
like going for a two mile
and declines in the in the floor
and walk around for an hour
why are you likely to spend
you know six thousand dollars
I've been around the world
and so I still want to go
because you you learn a lot more
that number has to be like
smaller and closer together
all part of the same union
but like for us Americans
you know when you actually
travel that kind of stuff
at least from my experience
mostly around the culture
you know social activities
it's hard to recreate that
yeah you you you learn some
I find to be very helpful
just going all around the country
and after eating the food there
even the junk food vendors
and the like subway station
because I didn't feel like
going out to eat anywhere
like worthy enough to bother
like for almost two months
I've been in Japan a few times
then the American pretzel
iconic American restaurants
but like one of the things
so they wanted to make sure
because they didn't want to
they're gonna flip on that
because they're gonna flip
becomes significantly cheaper
then it becomes inevitable
which means the cost of buying
anniversary with your wife
you know or special occasions
and that'll be like a street
you know it'll be very expensive
you know the kind of ultimate
which would be the real meat
they do it a scale anymore
most restaurants in the world
to find real meat anywhere
because throughout your life
that's like super expensive
and it was so fucking good
almost in a literal sense
like almost a thousand dollar
for that particular thing
that's definitely the high
a Michelin star type restaurant
with the quality that meat
if you had the possibility
whatever it is that you pick up
with buying these things forever
imagine having to upgrade
assuming that I really enjoy
an upgrade to my projector
and I haven't even burned out
the bulb in the one I've had
for the past like five years
and I haven't found myself
like wanting to upgrade it
I'm getting old or something
where I would have been waiting
it's really the fourth generation
and then by the 10th generation
small incremental changes
an apples to apples comparison
when's the last generation
one of the interesting things
to the Apple that you approach
to bring the conversation
like it really hasn't changed
in terms of the form factor
whereas with Apple Vision Pro
will change significantly
it never really changed at all
eventually they come into play
it would be even more ridiculous
you just drop into my lap
I like Apple Vision Pro at all
drop version 15 in my lap
although just imagine like
social media applications
you have the Uber concept
the phone was an interesting thing
the center of the universe
or mobile first or whatever
because like if you think
or the cloud space or whatever
this thing you have in your hand
that the Apple Vision thing
the concept is almost like
before this could even emerge
the screens and everything else
you have this gigantic set
you have all your pictures
this became a conduit now
that just simply didn't exist
even if you had built this back then
all the same physical technology
necessary to make it work
will create an equivalent
and cultural change in society
but there's competing tech too
and I find this to be the case
interface you like in life
whether it's your desktop
to move into something else
and what we're about to see
the Facebook augmented glasses
that you don't really travel with
and does a is a person likely
and that's doing something for me
that I'm going to want to see
a different operating system
when I switch to this thing
so do we wind up with different
depending on the time of day
our Apple Vision prototype device
at some point in the future
don't like changing operating systems
like something recognizable
they want to see a pause button
like everything going nuts
because you want to be able
it needs to be something cohesive
that you do and everything
and I think that's one where
they've made it very similar
on your watch or whatever
because people just do not
becomes compelling enough
they're gonna have to do it
on your desktop eventually
the keyboard came to your phone
because this is how you type
information into the thing
the ergonomics of the thing
that not only get created
but also from the same brand
of the new user interfaces
information into the computer
but like the I.O. part of it
becomes like the next interface
now it's just your natural hand
but it's not exactly the same
something like a keyboard
but it's not exactly the same
and then you're now using a thumb
whereas or you're using like
you're both hands to type
or maybe you're dictating
this creates with your eyeballs
will probably disagree with me on
like the desktop computer
is probably going to be going away
and the and the Apple Vision Pro
will be effectively replacing
I don't think people want
they own multiple devices today
for using for different form factors
I rather just have my glasses
that I'm wearing right now
that is the Apple Vision Pro
I can you know watch a movie
right and I can just do it
maybe I'll have like two versions
of like one that I walk around
and one is in the more like blocks
and gives me more immersive experience
but like I think in the long term
over the next maybe 10 years
are probably just going to be like
you're trying to envision a world
you're sitting in a couch
kind of supported by this thing
you're wearing this helmet
you'll spend more and more time in it
and maybe even do your work
to this thing or something
as part of your interface
that's chitchatting with you
double check my work as I go
make sure there's no bugs
in this thing or something
yeah you're just actively working
I'm talking about what it is
and the AI is working with me
and maybe I'm not even typing
as much as I typically type today
or just having this heavy thing
in my head like that's just
it'll be super lightweight
versus the weight of an iPhone
twice the size of the original iPhone
has been removed from the iPhone
let's see if I can find a bomb thing
I'm gonna google it right now
where I put these damn things
I have it sitting somewhere
I think the oldest one I have
is like a 3 sitting around
and but they were smaller though
so these have gotten bigger
it makes it so much easier
if I can answer these questions
what's like the smaller one
isn't there like another term
what is the weight difference
kind of give me the answers
I gotta look at the thing
sd that's the one I was thinking
you know okay like the cheapest
yeah it's a 4.7 inch display
so you're talking about a display
that's you know what is that
so we went from 4.8 ounces
but having a device that's
and shit for those things
now it's like you're where
you're putting a rubber condom
like i like these little silicone
things and i just kind of
it's can survive for years
yeah they work quite well
i don't know about the vision
because now the thing is like
to build the apple vision
there's headphones and whatnot
but just the industry at large
and by lots of different manufacturers
for say for example headphones
has access to quite a lot
but there's got to be some
some theoretical physics realm
to be a whole lot smaller
like where it has to just
it has to do certain things
there can be like nanites
it can be made from spider silk
like artificial spider silk
like it's extremely lightweight
yeah well i think i'm gonna
i'm gonna head off of this thing
and call it a night for myself
but thanks for jumping on
by the way how are you doing?
sorry i just just jumped on
or maybe in the next two decades
i think it was in the last three
that you put on your chest
and i think two weeks ago
mine going to see what this
and it's not augmented reality
or or similar to vision pro
but it is really interesting
maybe apple goes in that direction
i mean to be honest like the
to be the same as like a pebble
watch if you guys remember
it's pushing on a new idea
of a usage of a technology
it's just a natural thing
to recreate the same thing
and just do on your iphone
even probably within this year
this concept built right into it
will have to do the same thing
on your on the palm of your hand
or you interact with to it
and it's crazy the results
than i want in apple vision pro
of all my most irritating workflows
dealing with like a common task
doing my accounting with that
it's a truly menial labor
than i want these entertaining things
i want those productivity tools
make that part of my life easier
yeah that's that's coming
that's focusing most on that
all of all of their Microsoft
so eventually you're going to have
yeah like it memorizes my workflow
i have to log into this bank
i've got to get these statements
i've got to take those statements
i've got to take them over here
got to send this to my accountant
there's a lot of bs tests
as well the crap that we do
doesn't talk with each other
and how if i want to have a
and and the bank and my ai
probably it's probably sooner
if you've seen crypto.com's app
their own ai assistants inside
i would disagree with that
i would disagree with that
that understands you well
and how you are as a person
and then it just connects
rather than each application
wouldn't it be both though
because like the the specificity
can be much more efficiently
or the search of that website
what are the most commonly
related to their particular product
curated that to an extent
i could just connect to that
yeah it's like the gpd store
i mean it's a personalized
and more deeper understanding
but in terms of having an app
there's erica i think it's called
if she will answer everything
but it's only within the app
i think we're we're missing
the technological foundation
to be able to allow two ais
to communicate with each other
i don't think we have that quite yet
i think we'll have it eventually
to never fill out forms again
or whatever the hell he's
before all that stuff comes out
like no you're not gonna have something
what i'd like to see implemented
that i wanted to have implemented
like an iphone or whatever
that you think is interesting
like the commercial driver
just doesn't at this point
meaning like every receipt
and all these kinds of things
that you have to run a business
are sort of rudimentary still
like when you go to a store
that you would have thought
technologically would have happened
makes me sometimes bearish
that like all this fancy shit
we say is going to come out
it's actually going to happen
because like I've watched
profits from that scenario
fill out your taxes correctly
there's all sorts of incentives
yeah that are there's a lot of
disincentives to a good system
I want to say it was Germany
I think it was in the late 90s
they just pick a software company
and that software company
and everybody just uses it
and it's just perfect every time
nobody actually does their taxes
get the perfect every time
imagine like your business
and you have an electric company
that that electric company
has to send you their invoice
and the fact that you've paid it
all goes into your accounting package
because everybody has the same
for your DVD player or whatever
the fact that everyone's using
but the fact that they couldn't
even standardize the interface
extraordinarily incompetent
and who's going to create that
the world that are on every phone
even they didn't solve this problem
really simple architectures
right I mean think about it
it's like you convert from
going from one to the next
in the modern financial world
Chad was saying something
is to have like a master AI
that can connect to everything
that controls all this information
that you're going to handle
then it can spin out of control
that that's become the topic
I think Apple will probably
and be you know encrypted
uses on the device itself
definitely Apple hasn't shown us
yet what they have in store
but they're probably working
I mean we're talking about
with reasonable amounts of
amounts of hard drive space
yeah there's there's AI chips
optimized for this particular case
will also be there as well
probably one of the biggest
to be sitting by themselves
you don't have to be competitors
with the biggest companies
what these guys are doing