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Aptos And LFM
Recorded: April 8, 2025 Duration: 1:15:10Space Recording
Short Summary
The Aptos ecosystem is witnessing significant growth and excitement with the launch of its first LFM project, signaling a positive trend in community sentiment and engagement. As the ecosystem matures, there is a strong emphasis on partnerships, fundraising, and support for creators, indicating a commitment to fostering innovation and collaboration within the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. What do you do?
what do you do
let's go exciting times a year i see our speakers are in early um shout out to
po on shout out to ash um i'm really excited about this one. I think this is going to be a banger of the space.
But yeah, let's like Retweet the Space. Let's get as many people in here as possible.
There's this book sculpture, the Pump It Up theme song I'm going to play shortly.
But before I do that, I would like us to just like Retweet the Space, share it to our favorite groups to our friends I
feel like there's so much alpha going to be shared here and I would like people
to listen in but yet if by any chance you probably have to drop out at any
point the space is recorded you could always come back and listen in well yeah
pump it up by Danzel coming up and I will be with you guys in a few minutes. Let's go! Don't you know? I'll go, let the sound hit the nation, every Saturday night, on your favorite radio.
And the party's jumping in, and the vibe feels so strong.
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Every Saturday night
On your favorite video
The party's jumping in
And the vibe feels so strong
Throw your hands in the air Lift your head up high Yeah, and the vibe feels so strong.
Throw your hands in the air, lift your head up high.
Here, girl, you've got to sing along.
Don't you know, pump it up.
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let's go let's pump it up um exciting times the market looks better today uh my emotions kind of flow with the markets i think you guys on spookspace already know this but yeah exciting
times the first lfm project is out and live and seems like there's been a lot of mixed emotions
but recently everybody's super excited about how things are going.
I personally am looking forward to everything that has been learned from this first launch.
I feel like the LFM program is something that might, would I say, evolve over time.
But thanks that we have asked here, so I don't have to assume.
Shout out to Puan. Puan is also here so I don't have to assume. Shout out to Po-on. Po-on is also here
with us later on in the space. We'll be having our intro with this Po-on's first time on Spookspace.
Shout out to her for coming and joining us here. So let's get to know Po-on and all the alpha she's
bringing to Aptos. I've had good things about that, majorly from Sneezy.
But yeah, let's see
if Sneezy was right
with all the vibe he's been
sharing about porn.
But yeah, Ash is here
with us today.
I would like to say Ash is probably
one of the best speakers
that I've seen in this space.
He literally answers every question.
You know, I have this feeling Ash was probably a professional speaker before this.
But I'd like to see how he answers some of the questions we have for him today.
I feel there's going to be a lot of diplomacy.
But yeah, exciting times. GM, gmgm ash are you doing
gmgm pump it up pump it up
let's go okay so uh uh quick dive into it i believe everybody here should know ash
but if you do not i would like ash to maybe give us a brief intro about who he is, what he is doing at Aptos, and let's start from there.
Yeah, thanks, Baba. It's nice to meet everyone.
I'm Ash. I work on ecosystem here at Aptos Foundation.
And our goal is to have successful projects and founders driving the Aptos mission.
But yeah, that's me.
Yo, awesome, awesome.
Checking your page, I saw you had the ecosystem objectives,
I think probably from the very beginning, right after you had that,
would I say train of course, with almost the whole Aptos community.
And I think that was really
bullish i like the fact that you took out time to do that and um i see we already going straight
into the objectives um i think the lfm most likely aligns with that um but yeah uh the lfm program
is it came in such a way it's it's going to really support all these tge's that we're
expecting on aptos i used to say um that the second half of of this year was going to be
filled with tge's and it's great to see that there's now a program that is kind of yet to ensure
that um a lot of those go out successfully um but yeah if there's going to be if there's going to be
an elephant program or now
that there is an elephant program it means there was a reason for this what would you say was um
the main motivation behind launching the elephant program yeah thank you baba by the way do you know
what lfm stands for yo tell me man let's fucking move that's what it stands for oh no uh okay okay we are being pg
on species oh pg sorry okay uh let's freaking move uh let's freaking move yeah yeah yeah yeah
um no but that's a great question i think uh you know when i I took over this role in January, you know, my insight was a couple of things.
And I think I had the first week spaces with you when I took over the role.
But we are an ecosystem that is maturing, right?
And that needs to grow and that really needs good signals and
lighthouses in market to traject to the next path of sustainability. You know, we are not where
other ecosystems are at yet. And I think it's good to have the goals to get there, but it's
bad to pretend like we're
there.
Because if you pretend like we're there, then you start doing things that aren't really
fit for where you're at.
So one of the key insights, I think, for us was when a company has been supporting the
Aptos user base and community for a long time, and they get to this moment, they build, they
raise their round, they continue to support they build, they raise their round, they continue
to support their users, they launch new features, they practice great security practices, and
they're just a trusted pillar of the ecosystem.
They get to that point where they say, okay, now it's time to launch our token.
And I don't think that that is necessarily just an extension of their features, right?
You're essentially launching a new product.
And so we wanted to make sure that when there are projects that have been here
and operating in the space to make sure that they're serving its users and communities,
that there's very minimal room, right, to slip up to take this new product to market,
which is their token. And so we kind
of said, hey, you know, if we're going to be successful in getting great projects on Aptos
and founders, we need to make sure the ones that are already here and doing a good job have the
advisory and support on how to do this big thing that is a little bit later in their
stage of development. So we said, okay, what are the ways in which or what's the help that we think
is needed? I think number one is with a burgeoning ecosystem like ours, advisory is really needed,
right? In the sense that, hey, you know how to structurally uh create your go-to-market
for your token right everything from um is your community or users like well understood or
communicated to in terms of what's about to happen do they understand what they're qualified for um
do you have the right way to structure your tokenomics to ensure that there's longevity, right?
Even down to practices where teams manage themselves, which is, hey, do you have the
right treasury strategy, right? So that you can sustain development because this is going to be
a new phase in your roadmap, right? You're live with a token. Now you're going to continue to
build new product features as catalysts, right? for your business. So do you have the right structure in place to accomplish those things?
So I think advisory was one of the big areas we knew that not all teams, but some teams definitely
need. I think the second aspect is also just when you get to the marketing, right? And you start to start to get closer to that TGE.
There are several things you need to think about, right?
Which is number one, how do you tap into the right atomic network on Aptos to make sure
that not only our ecosystem, but also the wider industry knows what your product is,
right?
And knows what all of the things you've done and knows what metrics you've hit and knows what new features are coming out and knows the
founders, right? All of this storytelling needs to happen now in a new light before you kind of
go to TGE. And then separately, also on the exchange side, you know, I think it's been
really incredible to see Amnesty get a tier one exchange listing on Bybit and perform.
But it's also important for exchanges to understand that these projects are very important to the Aptos ecosystem and thus have a strong community behind them and just have a great product roadmap and founder behind them as well.
and just have a great product roadmap and founder behind them as well.
And so there's like a go-to-market kind of perspective before you go to T.
So there's advisory on, hey, do all the mechanics make sense, right?
Or do we at least know the surprises or the things that we know would be challenges?
Then there's a go-to-market perspective, which is, hey, are we tapping into the right atomic network or Aptos? And are we also working with exchanges to make sure that we're all aligned on, you know, the upcoming roadmap to TGE?
And then there's kind of post TGE what happens, you know, and I think that's kind of we said there's this bucket of like services kind of that some teams may need more of a particular service, but it's a general bucket of services.
And we said, okay, we can either do that kind of silently behind closed doors,
or we could just say, you know what, let's signal to the community and say,
we're launching a program that is a bundle of these services for projects
so that we can just, at our maturity of an ecosystem,
all be very clear and get behind projects
that actually come through this pipeline
because they have all the ingredients
to be successful and sustainable.
So that was the genesis of there's a gap here in need.
And then the second one is,
should we make this public that we want to support this
or should we do it behind closed doors?
And I think we wanted to be transparent and be public.
Yes, and I think there's a lovely route to follow
because I think now it opens up the mind of new projects
to figure out how can we be a part of this?
What do we need to put in place
to be able to join this program
and probably make them step up their game?
Because you spoke a lot about being product fit during all the conversations about the LFM.
And I think that's something projects would now look at.
Are we at that point?
Are we really at that point where we can launch a token?
And I think one highlight of what you said just now is about the token being a completely separate product.
I know of amazing project owners and developers that have been able to build a beautiful product. But now, when we start talking about the token, it's something completely out of their skill sets.
And now it's even more interesting because I'm thinking, like, if we talk about this critically,
because I'm thinking like,
if we talk about this critically,
not even the best builders
are caught out for launching a token.
And now thinking about how the LFM
is supposed to support this,
would you say the LFM kind of
needs to help in early stages
or would I say earlier stages
to maybe create more impact?
Because obviously a lot of these projects might not
have the best skill sets to launch tokens.
Yeah, I mean, I think that we kind of want to be of service wherever the project is of
need, right?
So some projects are very great at marketing their product.
The product's super,
you know, incredible. They understand their users profoundly and things like that. But as you said,
they may say, oh, look, launching, you know, a token or kind of even just like, you know,
a token on Aptos is foreign to us. Can you help us? So I think that's the first problem we're
solving. But I would say one requirement, I think, for us to be effective partners is if the project is really good at
building a product and understands their users profoundly and is able to serve them over and
over. And you see in the data usage growing and retention staying strong. Like that's not something
we can stand in for. We cannot stand in for,
you know, someone who is not good at building products or building or serving their users or
really listening to their users. Right. So I think that's kind of one disqualification. I would say
the second piece is right now, you know, we do consider somewhat the macroeconomic environment.
Obviously, we can't be dictators of what happens in the world outside of our control.
But, you know, right now on Aptos, you know, it's DeFi season, baby.
You know what I mean?
So I think we look at kind of the projects that exist today that are very core to the
DeFi ecosystem on Aptos.
And we think those are kind of great candidates, right, to go to TG if they're ready, right?
And they have to say they're ready or not.
And so one kind of decision we made with the first cohort is to say, listen, given where
we're at with the ecosystem maturity, given what we know about what people want to see
or interested in, right, in terms of projects like across the
industry, it's really DeFi and we have great DeFi projects on Aptos. So let's focus on making
LFM very useful to them in this place in the lifecycle they are of going to market with the
token. But I think outside of that, you know, I think we have like a form, a qualification
form, we evaluate pipelines. We kind of consider a few vectors. I mean, one is obviously the project
and the team. You know, who's the founder? Like, how are they running the company? Do they understand
the implications of launching a token? Do they know how they have to set up their team to make sure that they can also support, you know, their holders as well as their users, right?
Which isn't always one-to-one.
That's number one.
I think two is the vertical.
So, you know, obviously DeFi, we, you know, I think we'd all agree we have a pretty opinionated perspective on these things.
You know, the market really understanding. But outside of that is the story of what they do in terms of either driving
web through engagement, transactions, or commerce very strong. And can you see it in the data,
right? That's important. And then I think the third thing is, which is a little bit, you know, related to the first thing is, you know, what market segments are they really targeting, right? Are they targeting core Web3 users like power users? Are they targeting, you know, a little bit more passive tranche of users? Are they targeting a completely new set of users, onboarding them onto Web3? Which of those areas are they targeting?
So Web3, which of those areas are they targeting?
Because, you know, in these environments where we're in a little bit of a lull, any project,
and this is just my kind of assertion, right?
It's happy to be debated and kind of examined is if your product essentially is targeting
a very passive user who doesn't even know they're actually interacting with Web3 like
paradigms.
In this market, when it's a little bit of a lull,
it's harder to justify whether that project will be interesting, right,
from a perspective when they go to market with their token.
Whereas a protocol that is targeting, you know,
the active, diehard Web3 people that are going to be here day in and day out,
no matter the market swings,
that probably will have an easier story to tell, right, when they're going to market. So those are kind of three areas, we think. And then we never push people to go to TGE before they tell
us they're ready. And even sometimes, you know, there will be a discussion, ultimately, it's
their decision on whether they are ready, right? So that's kind of how it works.
Yo, well said. I would like to put this out there because i would like to see um the audience opinion on some of these
topics um if you have questions please drop them in the comment section and i'll be going through
them and um if i find something interesting i'll probably just um read it out to ash but yeah i
think it's really um interesting what the lfm is doing but definitely when you set out to Ash. But yeah, I think it's really interesting what the LFM is doing. But definitely
when you set out to create this program, there must have been a, would I say, an aim for
what we call success. So how do you measure success in the LFM program?
As it sounds today, I think I talked about this in our first call, but maybe it was one-on-one.
But the way I think about this, basically in a year, right, if I'm the only head of ecosystem, I've failed.
There should be several heads of ecosystem.
And I think the way you get to that is making sure that these projects that matter to the Aptos community and wider
industry are able to set up their own foundations, are able to have a sustainable business, right?
And also their foundations can do their own ecosystem work in areas that they want builders
or community members to build around. And so I would say that's what success looks like, right?
Is the projects that come through here are going to be, you know, we aim to be the next unicorns. And thus, by doing that,
they're going to have their own foundations. They're going to have their own opinions on
how to drive Web3 forward. And so that's really the goal. Like, you know, and, you know, I think
it's pretty easy to think about what it means.
Yo, I think that is really cool.
You mentioned a year.
Just to confirm, Ash, can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Okay, cool.
You mentioned the year, and now this got me thinking.
Is LFM going to be supporting projects as long as a year period?
So the way I think about it, and this is, I think LFM evolves as our ecosystem evolves.
So right now, LFM right now is a service we provide to projects at the tip of their spear of being ready to go to market with a token, right?
I think eventually we'll see that that actually, that service isn't needed because projects will be PhD level good at it, right? I think eventually we'll see that that actually, that service isn't needed
because projects will be PhD level good at it, right? So then the question is, okay, where will
the next level of support come from? I think it's just before that, right? Which is, hey, you're a
project, you have good signal on users that like it you have some thesis on where your project
your product roadmaps can be shaped can you help me with that can you help me with not necessarily
pmf but just after like scaling right basically you have like you know 100 users that freaking
love you you know what i mean how do we get to a thousand how do we get to two thousand so
i think lfm will naturally kind of re re not receive,
but go upstream and start helping projects who are maybe earlier in their
life cycle to say, Hey,
here's how we can drive growth and your business so that, you know,
you're ready to go to market with a token.
If you think that's the right move for your business.
So that's my hope is essentially I kind of think about LFM is just this philosophy,
like, let's freaking move, you know what I mean? And at whatever stage you're at,
we're going to help you move. So if you're at, you know, you need to like, you're saying,
I've built the business, I've built the product, I'm like, you know, we're here,
and now we need to go to market with the with the token, like, let's, let's freaking move,
you know what I mean? If you're like, hey, I've got like,
I've closed my seed round.
I'm starting to like build stuff I'm hiring.
Here's my top 100 users.
I need to like go and scale.
What do you think?
Then it's like, let's freaking move.
You know, that's kind of how I think about it.
And then even I would say there's another intention,
which is slightly above that, which is we do all these amazing hackathons, right?
And there's really talented builders that come out of these hackathons and win great prizes.
How do we push them, one, create like a net around them of saying these are the next builders who are going to build the next great thing,
These are the next builders who are going to build the next great thing, but push them through our pipeline of grant support, all of our different accelerators, both global and regional, to help them either A, connect with another founder to start building, or B, connect them with investors to get a greater network.
So I'm really thinking full funnel here and where we're starting is really at the end, but I don't think we'll be in this space at the end for too long.
Yo, awesome.
I like how much you mentioned businesses.
A lot of times you say these projects and people really don't think of it as businesses.
And I think maybe when we do, we'll begin to see more quality stuff.
Maybe we should put out the word businesses more and people would
understand what it means to build
in Aptos and in Web3.
An exciting
thing that happened is we had the
Amnesty TGE. Shout out to
Amnesty and the Amy token.
Exciting
stuff. I've seen mixed remarks
about it. It's been
all theory until this TGE.
And I believe there's been key takeaways from this.
What would you say has been some of the key takeaways from the Amnesty G?
I think you should definitely bring on Eric to speak.
I think the team has done so much work to make that successful that we in no way want to take credit for them.
But, you know, I think everything from how they thought about, you know, the point system, who qualifies for an airdrop,
how they thought about the marketing, how they thought about the alignment with Bybit,
how they thought about post-alignment Bybit, how they run campaigns, you know,
how they talked about, you know, how they talked about, you know,
our key opinion formers tapping into them,
how we worked with Aptos Collective to start telling the story,
how they interacted with all the other protocols
to get cross promotion as they go.
I saw great collaboration across those things.
You know, I do think it's worth you, Baba,
like bringing on
Eric and the team over there to talk about some of the learnings. I definitely don't want to speak
on behalf of them. Yo, I like this. I like how much you still, would I say, let the project take
charge. Because, you know, it's very easy for LFM to become this thing that controls how everything happens. But yeah, one aspect I really look at is the tokenomics of any token launching.
I kind of believe tokenomics can make or break what a token is going to be.
And I would like to know how important this is to the LFM program.
Do you think there would ever be a situation where you're like, you probably have to adjust the tokenomics?
We certainly do an advisory review on tokenomics.
I think at the point where we're having that discussion, we are already in alignment and philosophy, right, of what this project brings,
how it serves its users, the team behind them. But I think like if I were the team, like,
you know, if I were the project themselves, I would really think about my tokenomics as
essentially your roadmap for community alignment, right? You know, you're totally, you know, that's kind of really
what it is, is, is you're, you're publicly showing it. It is your roadmap for this new product in
terms of community alignment. And I think there's ways in which it goes wrong, but fundamentally
it comes down to the, it usually goes wrong, which is like, number one, you don't really
understand your community, right? Or they don't understand you. And number two, because of that, you actually don't know
how to align them long term. And I think that's like where things go wrong. It's just as simple
as that, right? That's kind of how I think about it. Yeah. Awesome. Let's talk a bit more about
tokenomics. And I would like to talk about this from the well i think community
reward side maybe just simply puts like airdrops um do you think do you think it's it's something
that you feel community projects now businesses should really consider like in getting ready to launch a token?
How much would you say they should look into maybe airdrops and community rewards?
I think of airdrops as retention strategies versus acquisition strategies.
So as it relates to retention, I would look at airdrops as a mechanism to say, hey, these are people who are very aligned to us, the community,
and we want them to be long-term as part of it.
And we want to get them as a voice to amplify the message and be kind of like,
you know, our ambassadors, right? Like you create ambassadors, you create loyalty, you create,
you create people who will never leave you, right? If you change their life, you just do.
And I won't say that airdrops is the only way you change people's lives. Like you can also
change people's lives by being a successful business, right? Or launching a foundation that's sustainable,
or helping them like, you know, build something new, like you could change people's lives in
many ways. But I would I would look at airdrops as a retention mechanism. And basically, you know,
if I was a project, like understanding who is very aligned spiritually with our project,
and that we want in the community and ecosystem long term.
That's kind of how I would think about it. But I don't really think of airdrops as like a
user acquisition strategy. Like, let's say if they're someone who's never interacted with your
product or maybe is in some other ecosystem and blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I haven't seen,
and maybe I'm like limited in my knowledge, it'd be super successful in
driving new user acquisition. Oh, and I think that's really cool. I think I kind of see Amnys
maybe doing something along these lines, because I believe there's going to be so much more for
the community and users going on. I think there's a section dedicated to that. So just putting it out there
to anybody that might feel like they weren't
or that wasn't eligible for the first drop,
like there's still so much more coming from Amnesty.
And I would say it's not the best time
to stop paying attention.
I think they've dedicated some things
to ensure that retention is rewarded or staying on with their business is rewarded.
But yeah, so now we've spoken about the first launch, and I'm sure this has been exciting for a lot more projects coming into Aptos or building on Aptos and just thinking, okay, now I can finally get the support.
I was probably nervous about how maybe TGEs are supposed to go as none of us know about it.
What advice would you give to projects looking forward to being a part of the LFM program?
One, I would say, obviously, you can apply and we will get back to you on whether you're ready or not, or we're ready to kind of, you know, you're ready to kind of like work with us end to end on this stuff.
But two, I would just even before that think about like, what is your goal in launching a token? Right? What are you really trying to achieve? And how does it further whatever mission you have?
what are you really trying to achieve and how does it further whatever mission you have?
For example, like I go back to businesses, right? You know, there's a lot of projects and I think
DeFi is a little bit different, but there's a lot of projects outside of that, that essentially
are great businesses, right? They're, they're providing a service to their users, they're
delivering on that satisfaction. Those users are paying them for that service. The question I always have is, if you have a great business, ask yourself why
you're launching a token. And I think that answer is really important. That question is really
important to answer. And the person who's sitting in that seat as a founder needs to be able to very
precisely answer it. And there's several answers they may give, but I think that's a question to really focus on and answer.
You're awesome.
I would really like someone from the audience
to maybe just throw one question.
So if you'd like to ask a question to Ash,
this is your chance to come up.
We'll be able to take only one person anyway.
So this is your chance.
But yeah, now looking at the elephant program i think you
already it's some of the points on this on this next question but yeah i i do not think aptos
would maybe always continue to support every tge i think as a growing ecosystem we should get to a
point where we have top quality projects that can undo this professionally and successfully.
How do you see the LFM program evolving?
And would we ever get to a point where it's more about educating these projects on how to get there than maybe just full on support?
Yeah, I think it is right now most of how to get there.
And obviously, we provide some of those GTM services as well.
But I do think that's kind of what this would evolve into.
And I completely agree.
I think we will be in a place where projects will understand the playbook, right,
on how to do it on Aptos.
And you could start to scale, right,
in the sense that you don't always need to be there
as kind of this manual mechanic, right?
But then I think we quickly go into, okay,
how do you start teaching teams how to get to that point, right?
Build a business, work on the right stuff right stuff or aptos just launched these new
primitives here's how you can integrate things like that i think that's kind of where the lfm
program will move kind of more upstream yeah awesome awesome ash um looks like shamrock is up here with us Shamrock. You have the floor.
It's always Shamrock for me.
Every time I speak, it's always Shamrock.
Yo Shamrock, I can't hear you.
I don't know if I'm just the, if I'm the only person.
Can anybody else hear Shamrock?
No, I can't.
I got to leave in like a couple minutes though.
Oh yeah. Shamrock looks like we might not be able to have your question,
but thank you so much Ash for coming on.
I think this was really insightful.
I'm sure there's so many projects I excited about being part of the LFM program.
I would really love to see a lot of the ecosystem get this support.
Can you hear me now?
Okay, okay, yes, Shamrock, shoot.
Yeah, let's go, let's go.
It's always Mike Satan's.
So, yeah, hello, everyone.
And, yeah, actually, first of all, I wanted to say, Baba,
huge respect for your really amazing preparations for these Spook spaces.
Seriously, very professional questions,
and I wanted to mention this publicly.
To me personally, it's a huge growth.
Secondly, thank you, Ash, for covering those questions.
It's really, really great.
And if I was early on stage i wanted to
just shout uh like preach my man preach because you say so many really important things uh and i
wish you were uh an aptos like two years earlier bro seriously it's okay man yo listen i gotta say
this like i appreciate you saying that but i get to stand on
the shoulders of giants you know there's no other blockchain that could have built this tech there's
no other you know a founder who could have built it trust me like you know and so i i me and the
team we get to stand on all the work that's done by the community all the trust that's been built
and we just want to do it justice you know know, that's all I want to say.
Preach, my man, preach.
Can we have a time machine, please?
So you will join us two years earlier.
Yo, man.
Yeah.
I think the best part is Ash is here now.
And I like that Ash is really open
to answering as many questions as possible.
We had Ash earlier in the collective.
If you are not a part of the collective, I think you really want to know what is going on in there but shout
out to ash for like really coming in there answering as many questions as possible just
getting the community into a deep dive of what is going on in the would i say behind the scenes now
it's really lovely to see but yeah we'll also be talking about the collective with Porn.
So I would like to dive into there.
But Ash, if you have any final remarks so we can...
Babam, can I have a question for Ash before he drops off?
If you have like a few minutes, Ash.
Yeah, I got two minutes.
Yeah, let's go.
So basically what I understand that LFM is focused more on business, on TG and so on.
So like I want to ask as a community member and as an artist, we have a lot of artists and, you know, people who want or will not launch tokens.
But they surely need to have some support,
some guidance or something like that.
Do you have anything planned like LFM for more like, you know, for more simple
community members, especially the artists?
Because earlier we had Aptis grant program for artists for 20 millions,
but it's totally vanished.
Nobody got nothing and it's totally vanished and no support was really provided to any artists in the eco.
So I'm curious, do you have anything planned for this?
Yeah, I think we should still support artists.
I think we should support artists on launching projects.
I think I don't have the history of what you just mentioned but
we are already thinking about that so shamrock i think you should get with poan and we should talk
about uh what you have plans and maybe your network has plans too but we're all open for for
artists like 100 and also i want artists from other ecosystems to know that aptos is open for
artists because right now they're getting fricking ignored.
Uh, they have to go back to their day job.
So I would love,
I would love a pipeline of,
of great artists projects.
what about individuals like me,
for example,
who is not,
you know,
really into creating a project in a classic way,
but more like individual in the eco.
Uh, what about that
what about what i don't what do you want to create um okay like uh since you have not enough time i
i've got uh you know i got an answer what i wanted to hear and many artists i guess wanted to hear
uh the next things i think we will just create some you know telegram chat i wish to have
you and some marketing guys like nick i wish to have paul there and to discuss you know some
potential things perfect all right bye guys appreciate it thank you baba yo thank you so
much ash for coming on um have a lovely rest of your day but guys we have porn here first time on first time speaking on spookspace
i'm excited about that i like when we have new speakers on space but not just new to the spook
space um coming in joining the aptos team eating the ground running there's already been a collective
refresh um straight to work man uh you came with your pants on
yo okay no no no but now seriously i've had several variations of your name i think you
are currently using pull on but your handle is poi your your telegram is probably Polly. And on Discord, I'm not even sure now.
Please kind of clarify how we are supposed to address you.
Hi, GMGM.
Yes, I do have different iterations.
Part of it is because I have a unique name.
I've never met anyone else.
But my first name is Po-On.
So two words.
And my last name starts with Y.
So I started going by Poi.
So my initials, P-O-Y.
And it's funny because at my last place of work at a DeFi organization, one of my work
wives, she went by Ted.
And those are her initials. So very similar of just take your initials, go with that. Everyone thought she was a man. Many people think I'm a man. But yeah, that's character count, I couldn't get just Poi.
And so I had to add some extra words.
Okay.
So I'm sure you probably have an ANS name now.
What's your ANS going to be?
Yes.
It's Poi meets World.
So speaking like that, that's my ETH east name a and s so there we have it
yeah let's go point meets world um yeah this is this is kind of becoming another spooks culture
where we kind of um understand the background of people joining the aptos team we had that
even for sneezy and i think the the story behind all these amazing minds
in aptos can be inspiring especially to people that relate to this um would like to know a bit
about your background you can go as far back as possible but maybe just keep it short um you have
the floor point awesome and i just want say, in terms of your culture,
I mean, I shared this in our quick intro call,
but that song at the beginning with the Pump It Up, the first time I tuned in, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, that was pretty fun.
And then last week when I tuned into your space with Sneezy,
you did again, and I realized this is a reoccurring ritual.
So I have a little chat with Haley, Nick.
I see all in the audience, Sneezy.
And we're just saying like, this is just such a great hype song.
So love the ritual.
And when it comes to community building, big fan of rituals.
And actually, as I've been driving, like I'll have that song in my head.
I'm like, what?
Oh, right.
It's from Spook Space.
So just very cool branding.
Just want to give you a shout out for that.
And then in terms of my professional journey, yeah, really happy to share it.
My path has not been linear.
I started off in non-profit in Canada, so working on government programs, grants.
Actually, that's kind of similar to, you know, foundation and grants.
But I was really tasked back in Vancouver with building an innovation ecosystem.
So bridging government, academia, and businesses and industry to really
work together and put, in my case, Vancouver on the map as a vibrant tech hub. Then about
seven years ago, I moved to San Francisco. And I was like, whoa, this is amazing. This is truly a
tech and startup hub. And so that was really fun. I thought if I'm going to be in San Francisco, I should work for, you know, a de facto tech
company.
So I joined Twitter.
You can definitely tell what era I was there because I say Twitter and not X, but I spent
a few years there.
Then I got really interested in crypto, but I wanted to do it in a kind of safe landing,
kind of safe landing, if you will. So I joined Coinbase since they had IPO'd. And then most
if you will.
So I joined Coinbase since they had IPO'd.
recently, I spent a couple of years at a A16Z backed DeFi RWA startup, leading community,
navigating a crypto winter, and then also a pivot from more of a crypto native audience,
investing in DeFi and experimenting with trying to find a new user base in TradFi and retail
to use an alternative investment platform.
So that's kind of like a quick run through.
And a quote that stuck with me, I'm an Apple fan, is Steve Jobs.
You know, you can't connect the dots looking forward.
You can only connect them looking backwards.
And that really sums up my journey.
I really believe community building, community design.
That's a term I heard at East Denver, I really like that about the
design element, but community is really at my core. So a few quick examples, at
Twitter I helped launch the communities product, so that's when you find your
own community space on Twitter so you have a timeline based on that theme. Oh
you promised some alpha, Okay, so some alpha
is go follow the Aptos Collective account if you haven't already. We do have a very kind of hidden
launch. We have an Aptos community. I think there's only a few members, but we'll be doing a more
hard launch soon and using that space more to collect more Aptos stories in the community,
the collective. So definitely go there. But okay, back to Twitter. So yeah, launch the community product. That was really fun. Cross-functional
team effort. I also served as the global chair of Twitter Asians, where I spotlighted a lot of
creators and built spaces for connection. I guess moving on to Coinbase, worked on major social
media campaigns. So you think of the whole Super Bowl ad, and there was like the flying QR code,
and you weren't sure if you scan it, but you probably can because Coinbase is legit. That was really
fun in terms of like a big cultural marketing crypto moment. I also worked on launching the
NFT marketplace, RIP. I think they've embedded a lot of that stuff into their wallet now. But again,
just interesting to meet creators and be part of like a very big launch. Then at the last startup at Goldfinch, so RWD, DeFi, wore lots of hats.
So again, navigating that pivot from a crypto native audience to more TradFi, stood up investor relations, interviewed lots of users, customer research.
I think that's very closely aligned to community.
That's very closely aligned to community.
And then outside of that, was involved in the base community with Farcaster, hosting a lot of community events, live stream, bringing on marketing experts.
So that's how I got to make a lot of really fun internet friends.
So like the hype team, if you've ever seen a hype marketing, I got to know them since they came on our live stream.
And anyway, just to wrap this up, what brought me to Aptos was really like this feeling of convergence, like love building things from scratch, getting people excited about what's
possible and just see that Aptos is doing this on a whole new level from its tech to the people.
And I really wanted to be part of that. And actually one more fun personal story,
because I think that's what we're here for to learn more about the people. My first week, just under two months ago, was in New York where we held the Aptos Exponential.
So this was very early stage builders to come meet the team and start getting some of the support.
So the program LFM that Ash was talking about is like much later stage projects like pre-TGE, getting ready for that.
Whereas this cohort that I got to join was early stage, you know,
like post hackathon winners trying to create a business. And it was just really cool to see how
my background most recently was focused only on DeFi and RWA. But then here at Aptos, I can be
supporting a team of builders and founders in all kinds of spaces. So like NFT, gaming, a search.
And so that part's been really exciting uh sharing you know community
building best practices with these teams especially when they're starting out launching
and so um i think i'll wrap up there that's a lot of a lot of topping hey maybe i can talk as much
as shamrock no i i think you probably beat him in um speed of speed of word but yeah it's really
cool um just listening to that um you were right when
you said it hasn't been linear and i can imagine there's so much we can unpack just from that we'll
probably dedicate another space just to your intro once again but yeah really exciting stuff
and i can imagine how your journey has shaped your idea of what a vibrant and a, would I say, good community is
supposed to be. I can just imagine what that is like. But yeah, you are in after us as head of
community development. Can you maybe explain what your role is to us a bit so maybe the community
can know when, would I say, when best to reach you?
Yeah, absolutely.
So at a very high level, I'm here to build and nurture our global community that's excited to grow with AppDus.
So this really includes anyone from supporting builders, developers, creators, partners,
and all of that through really thoughtful programs and spaces.
So both like online and IRL. Actually, so like a few specific focus areas would include one,
evolving our ambassador program. So the Aptos Collective, and you are a member, we're so grateful
to have you. And really, this program is a way to give people another path to contribute and to lead.
Like you're such a great example of a community leader,
like you're hosting these spaces, bringing in projects.
I know you had Amnesty on here and others.
So that's one thing we want to do with this collective program
is just really revamp it.
We had that launch a week and a half ago
so that we can recognize these top enthusiasts and advocates.
And at the same time, so, you know, back to using an example, you're creating these spaces for people to learn what ABDOS.
And at the same time, we at the foundation and the community team want to create more learning opportunities for the collective members and community.
So specifically, that can be more workshops, community calls, campaigns.
So I know I see a few collective members here.
I think you joined our first kind of special space for just the collective members to come and hear from our team, get access to resources.
So, you know, our marketing team, you know, Avery and Ash joined last week.
And that's a space for, again, the people who have been contributing so much so that they can learn and have access. A few other programs from the community team is
regional support. So supporting our local regional CMs for them to do events and just nurturing more
of that grassroots authentic growth. And then finally, more feedback loops. So with the community
team that's out there being
on the ground, having a pulse on community sentiment, they can really bring that feedback
back to the Aptos team. Also feedback on products, like that's a big way to support. I mean,
building on what Ash said, where products and program, or sorry, projects need to really know
their customers and know their product. The community collective is just a really great resource of people who are keen to see Aptos succeed and keen to know what
the latest projects and products like that can be, excuse me, a way they get back as well.
So I guess to wrap it up with this role, I just want to make different avenues and ways for people
to not just use Aptos, but really be a part of it. And that can be again, devs, artists to what Shamrock said,
and others, founders,
or just people who are curious.
Yeah, and you couldn't have said that better,
but just watching what you've done so far,
it's now becoming a long period,
but I would still call it the short period you've been here.
I've kind of seen you tilt towards creating structure
and making sure things are done in an understood,
orderly manner in such a way the community understands
this is the process how certain things would go.
And I love to see that.
I think it's giving the community a lot more clarity.
And yeah, just lining up to the next question,
I would like to know what you think are the biggest challenges
or opportunities in building and nurturing a decentralized community like Aptos.
Yeah, I just want to say, I mean, part of the structure,
thank you, one, for observing that.
That's supposed to make it just easier for people to get involved
and then just for our team
to really do the best work
and the things that they're great at.
Another thing I just want to build on there is
I know there was, you know,
a robust community survey that went out.
So thank you to people like you
and other collective members,
community members that, again,
I recognize your PFPs in the space
that provide that feedback
of things that they wanted to see,
wanted to do more of, like both the constructive feedback and the hopes and
dreams.
So that was a lot of what went into some of this thinking with the planning of
the new refresh and things to come.
So just want to acknowledge how valuable and important and how the doors open
for that community feedback.
In terms of challenges, yeah.
One would be just the diversity of the ecosystem.
So as I mentioned, I come from like DeFi, RWA, like very much that niche. And then at Aptos,
we're supporting just so many things like DeFi protocols, gaming studios, NFT creators,
consumer apps, and you name it. And each group has very different goals and workflows and even community norms,
depending on that different area.
So there isn't really a one size fits all approach.
So we just have to keep meeting people,
meeting the builders, meeting the communities and designing programs that like are flexible enough
to serve everyone.
So even again, let's use that artist's example,
like there's probably going to be some new norms
and we'll probably need to think about new creative programs to help them. I mean,
at its core right now is just giving people resources, access, some funding, like that's
pretty broad and can apply to all of them, but there'll probably be some challenges and nuances
for each one. Another thing very common in Web3 communities is just the onboarding and retaining
contributors. Like we here at Aptos and with the collective refresh
is we know the collective program,
ambassador programs in general
are definitely made up of volunteers
that are very passionate,
but we want to continue to give them
those meaningful paths to grow.
So that's that mentorship, ownership opportunities,
and then even some funding
so that people don't burn out and leave
and that we keep having that structure and program so that contractors stick around,
they level up. Again, you mentioned that refresh for anyone that is new, check out our collective
handle, our new branding website. Again, shout out to the great labs marketing team that helped out.
We have a lot of testimonials from our community members.
So just trying to put, again, the collective front and center,
like their faces or their PFPs are all there
along with their own personal testimonials.
So again, yeah, I want to emphasize those learning opportunities.
And actually, Bob, you tweeted this, I think yesterday or this morning,
about the friendships.
Like that's the other great value that you get from communities is meeting other people and creating more spaces for each of them to learn from one another.
So I guess, yeah, that was a bit about challenges and then some opportunities there.
Yo, thanks for reminding me about that.
Yesterday I was putting out a tweet about my journey on Aptos and I think it just made me reminisce on all the amazing people I've met
and even those that are probably kind of drifted now but yeah it's been really exciting just
connecting with these people amazing minds like Sneezy Yaa I probably don't even still know what
Yaa looks like but it's probably not probably Yaa is one of my closest friends like i'm not even
kidding the guy is such an amazing dude um has really stood by me on my journey on afters and i
i see this a lot in the um after space i know i think he um sneezy and apocene are now really
tight but they've been tight for quite a long time i I'm most likely meeting with three. And that's such an underrated utility. I really value
friendship as one. And it's just lovely to see this friendship build and unfold. You begin to
see these people work on amazing things together. So I'm looking forward to the next thing friendship
is going to develop on the Aptos space. But yeah, I would like to know your thoughts on the Aptos Collective, because I think it's
really unique to maybe communities that have been created on other, would I say, blockchains.
Now, when you first came into Aptos, what was your initial thoughts of the Aptos Collective?
Yeah, well, a couple of things.
I know that some people knew the collective really well
and others didn't.
And so I wanted to figure out like,
what was that gap of how do we better surface
some of the contributions?
But also I just saw a lot of potential
that like, you know,
it doesn't have to be just an ambassador program.
It can really be a launch pad
for people that want to shape the future of Aptos. And so really doing that dive with the community team, again, a lot of them
are here. So like Alex, Angel, addition to Sneezy, Dev, Ahmed, Stan, like all of you,
like you provide so much like insight and feedback. Here are the people that are really
contributing a lot. Like let's keep that bar high and also back to the whole path for contribution.
So all of you are doing a lot, but how do we add more structure and attention and better ways to
recognize your work? I mean, one of the things we talk about Aptos is that this is a place where
you can really build your career. And when you hear that, you think about like builders, the devs,
and then the founders that are building the ecosystem projects. But there's also people like us that are out there doing it, community, marketing, social,
like that is also a career path. So thinking of ways where we can help the collective members
grow their skills, whether that is public speaking or content creation, running events in your region.
The idea here was to take this program and move it more from just, you know,
volunteering, but really developing people into ecosystem leaders. Another thing that I say a lot
to the community team is just wanting people to be empowered, like not just included. Actually,
I recently saw a tweet from someone else that if you're new to Web3 or you're curious and you want
to get into the space, being a community manager is a great role to break into.
Because I 100% agree that when you contribute as a community member, it exposes you to many parts of the business.
Like you can learn about that awareness, creating content, original content, engaging with people, or even that product feedback.
When you're testing things, then you're helping a product and founding team.
So I think I just went off a bit on a tangent.
I guess I'm just really excited about the potential of the collective and all of you and also inviting people.
Again, for anyone who's not part of that program, we do have open applications.
So that's me doing a little shilling that we have applications open until May 5th.
So if you're interested and have been following along with that,
it's like you can be a part of this collective that we keep referring to.
Yo, you can keep going on and on.
I love the vibe and I would like you to be as free as possible
speaking on this book space.
But yeah, there's something I think we
I like when the communities are aligned towards a goal.
And I believe you most likely have a goal like in community building for Aptos.
So if you have like a mental picture, maybe you could paint it for us of what you would like to create out of the Aptos community.
Yeah, it's really around that empowerment.
So not something I don't want to borrow the exact same things of ash i'm like okay i know i've succeeded when there's lots of ecosystem leaders
but when there's a lot of community leaders that that are out you know there's other folks like
you know you've created this really welcoming fun informative space and i'm sure there's other
people in in crypto and the aptos ecosystem ecosystem that also want to develop their content creation skills.
So if there was more of that or more people that want to get involved with working projects or even I really loved Sneezy's example yesterday.
And that can be another path, too, where you start off as an ambassador, you help this project and you end up joining that project as a more full-time contributor. So really just helping people build their careers and their own personal development
and ultimately raising the awareness and use and success of the Aptos ecosystem
is how I see community growth being really successful.
You're awesome.
And yeah, I think one of the things you went straight into once you joined Aptos was the collective.
For people outside, now not people in the collective, for people outside, what would
you expect them to look forward to happening in the collective?
Maybe like a collective shill now.
Yes, I kind of started that.
Well, again, building on what you said of the friendships,
like really encouraging more opportunities for collective members to meet each other,
because you're also diverse.
Like some of you come from very technical backgrounds.
I think there was a lawyer.
There's people that are just really curious about the latest technology.
There's folks that want to experiment with, again,
the different verticals of gaming or NFTs, DeFi trading.
That's a big one.
You know, we did just mention Aftus being the global trading engine.
Oh, actually, quick side note.
I see Stan on here.
I love what you said about the global community engine.
Truly believe that when you have your community serve as this well-running engine, then that
ultimately helps the ecosystem, helps all the projects, gets them, you know, their customers
usage and with all the wonderful feedback gets them, you know, their customers usage.
And with all the wonderful feedback from actual users and community members, that improves their projects as well.
So just wanted to quickly shout out that.
I love that term.
And now I forgot what your original question was.
Oh, it was a collective.
Okay, yes.
So what can people expect?
If you want to apply, like it does help to familiarize yourself with some of the
existing things going on in the Aptis ecosystem. I mean, joining these spaces,
showing why you're interested, what you've contributed so far. And then once you join,
this is really a chance for, again, you can make stronger bonds and friendships and learn from these other very talented folks that also got admitted into the collective. And then it's a place for you to grow and develop.
And that's going to be through regular programming, workshops.
We're going to bring in some like really amazing guest speakers.
Again, last week, the collective had access to Avery, you know, boss man, in addition to Ash.
And then we have lots of time for us also to like bond, learn, and share as a small group.
Well, small but growing. Small but mighty and growing.
Yeah, and also the Aptos ecosystem.
There was a time I could probably just spend a whole day keeping up with everything going on in Aptos.
But I think Aptos is really growing now, and that's becoming more and more difficult but one way i've been able to kind of keep up with the updates of things going on on aptos has been through the collective so i
think that's another advantage of like being a part of the collective kind of gives you
insight into some of the amazing things going on in these millions of we need to find a way to
actually keep track of this um but yeah i guess book space is one way to actually keep track of this. But yeah, I guess Spookspace is one way you can keep track of what is going on after us.
And now just talking about that, I think you mentioned the global trading engine as well.
I think on Spookspace, we probably have to find a way to get more people to understand this.
It's been, it's easy easy long text by every took me
quite a while to go through that but really insightful and interesting stuff um i would like
to share more on that maybe on the future space so you guys should stay tuned and if you've not
read the text i think you should um yeah you could assist us in pinning that on the Jumbotron of the space. But yeah, let's close out on a very light note.
Because one of the reasons for the space is to get to know Puan.
And yeah, other than like all the professional stuff.
Definitely, I know Puan is not a robot, even though she does a lot of structural stuff.
But yeah, other than all the professional
stuff you do, what would you say are like your personal interests and hobbies? What do you do
to unwind? Yeah, I just want to say I love that you also kind of answered your own question
when you mentioned what can people get out of the collective. Again, sharing your experience.
Love that we have 11 testimonials on our collective website.
So for anyone new, check it out.
You can hear some personal anecdotes and experiences of why people have found this program and this community really beneficial and empowering and endearing and all of that.
But yeah, personal interest.
Fun question.
Love it.
So my degree was in biochemistry and kinesiology,
so human health.
I didn't become a doctor,
but I remained very interested in personalized health.
I guess you could even say like biohacking.
I wear my Whoop.
So this is a fitness tracker that came out of MIT
that tracks like your sleeping, your health,
your heart rate, your HRV, yeah, heart rate variability.
And I just am such a data nerd. Like I do love my metrics. So that's related to the,
I guess, structure. Believe, you know, you gotta, you gotta measure things if you want to see
improvement. So I really love fitness, thinking of better ways to improve my sleep quality.
I mean, crypto is 24 seven doesn't sleep. So you need to like think of ways to balance that. And I guess my fun fact is that I was a competitive bodybuilder
for a few years. So if you think of for anyone global, like, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger
and that awful orange tan, that was me. And I would say it taught me a lot about discipline
and focus. And that truly, like all of us, we are capable of so much if you just like put your energy into it.
That can come with being a builder, a founder, a health goal, a personal goal.
Like even, again, the theme of people wanting to become content creators, like your first post or videos, like might not be very good and might not get any views.
But if you just kind of stay on it and focus, i just feel like that's how i translate some of my
health goals into personal business oriented ones so yeah that would be my fun fact yo you said
trying to get better sleep and i in my mind i was like good luck with that yo um good luck sleeping
um having comfortable sleeping web 3 uh i i think sneezy for one would attest to
uh i can't imagine when last i can't imagine when last sneezy had like a good night's sleep
the man is always awake he has so much energy i speak about that so much but sneezy has so much
energy i wish i was like him it reminds me okay no i'm probably taking it too far but um really lovely guy um yeah thank you so much for
sharing that uh i'm going to add to my bucket list that i have to challenge you in the gym
um so yeah competitive bodybuilder what would you say was your best set program
oh okay i think my um i mean i learned kind of like fun little tricks, like,
so in terms of bodybuilding, it is very like aesthetic focus. So you lift very heavy weights,
you build the musculature, and then you, well, literally bodybuild, you kind of sculpt your body
to look a certain way. And so part of that was having a very regimented diet so like I had to eat six times a day
get lots of protein um eat lots of uh vegetables so I guess my my uh I don't know like cocktail
party like trivia fact is like asparagus is a natural diuretic um so so that that's something
that that I learned uh yeah in terms of my plan, I really think about the meal prep being really key versus like a training weight set in particular.
But definitely don't skip leg day.
Yeah, if I could leave you with anything, it's don't skip leg day.
Okay, preach to Yaa.
I think Yaa loved this part of the segment the most because you spoke about like really taking care of your diet
and focusing on how many times you eat yeah it's currently on a similar plan i'm not sure if you
wanted me to share that but i'm sure he really got excited when you mentioned that well um porn
it's been amazing having you on space shout out to ash as well i think it was a really good one
uh but a person is here a person is about about love, positivity, just so much. I would like
A-Person to maybe speak. So we use A-Person as the closeout. Absolutely good, sir. Fantastic
space. Love it. It was like getting some fresh air breathed into these lungs of mine that are so old.
But no, absolutely beautiful. I
love hearing all the people come and talk about how important community is, how important the
friendships are. It's the reason why I came to Aptos. It's the reason why I stay in Aptos.
There are many benefits to Aptos, but for me, it's the community. It's the people that I've met
here. People like Sneezy, people like Yar, people like Baba, like just so many amazing individuals
who really show up every day just to show up every day to hopefully maybe help somebody else. Um, you know, and that's really my
mission. It's so awesome to hear other people speak the same, the same vibe. I've been here
on Aptos for about two years, preaching the peace, positivity, and prosperity. Uh, Sneezy brought me
over here, uh, because he kept telling me, you got to check it out. It's, it's something special
over here. It's something different over here. The people are just really friendly, willing to help you get
to that next level if you want to help. But it's so beautiful just to be part of this. I'm so happy
to be part of the collective. I've been a member of the collective for almost two years now.
It's just a fantastic opportunity to meet a bunch of individuals who are really goal-driven,
really goal-oriented in the fact that we just want
Aptos to succeed. We want the people on Aptos to succeed. So that's, that's, that's the,
that's the bottom line. Like Aptos is the blockchain where if you hear other people
talk about it, they're going to say, well, there's so many friendly people there. Oh,
it's too nice. Everybody wants to help you. Like those are things that I love about Aptos.
That's the reason why I'm here. I've been to other blockchains.
I've been on other places where I feel like I'm the little fish in the big sea.
And I'm just waiting for that big fish to come swoop me up.
Here I feel like we're all the same fish.
We're all part of the same ecosystem.
And we can learn, we can grow, and we can navigate this together.
And that's the important thing is you only have one set of eyes.
But the more people that you meet in this space, the more sets of eyes you have, the more sets of ears, the more in tune you really can be.
But you got to put in the work. You got to show up every day and you got to get the value out of it for yourself.
But it is awesome and amazing just to see and hear the new community managers, the new people that work for Aptos just really starting to hit those goals that I really came here for.
I came here for the people. Making money is cool. That's awesome. But I've had more meaningful
relationships that mean more to me than any amount of dollars could ever put in my pocket.
Knowing people like Sneezy. Sneezy traveled to my house a couple times. He's going to come again
this year. We got about 15 to 20 people from Aptos and another blockchain that I was on.
I invite everybody over to my house and I cook them dinner, feed them for four days, let them stay, and we just have a good time.
That's what it's about to me. The people on this blockchain are the value.
The tech is amazing. It's fantastic. It's better than anything else out there, but the people are also that.
I can talk forever, but I'm so glad to hear people talk about
the importance of the friendships in the community to really push us forward. There's a lot of people
that work really hard here just to work really hard here. They don't really get a reward for
doing it. Their reward is they get to show up and someone says their name or whatever, you know,
and that's the beautiful part of it is just show up, be recognized, be yourself.
You'll be accepted, find your tribe and put in that work, man. It's definitely worth it. I've had so many beautiful experiences here. I'm thankful beyond belief. Just so many awesome
people, but yeah, I'll stop there, but just thank you all for coming, listening to the support in
this space. Spook space is awesome. It's been live and kicking for as long as i've been here uh it's a beautiful place for information but there
is also a lot of people that do other shows and do other things so just keep your eyes open keep
them peeled uh aptos is is the future and we're here now so we're lucky but i love you guys uh
hope you all have a fantastic day tuesday tonight my space I'm doing a bunch of giveaways for the Painted Pandas. We hit our 500
first step of the mint.
So, hey, if you were in that 500,
there's a good chance of prizes coming your way.
But I love you guys. Have a fantastic rest of your day.
Yo, Everson,
thank you so much. Speak about
utility. Everson is feeding people
for four days.
Probably the best utility I've heard of
in a while. And how do i get to be a part of
that uh four days hey bro show up if if you wanna if you wanna come bro and you can make it here
you're more than welcome to come i feed everybody good too i'm an excellent cook uh so like bro if
you if you if you want to come and you can make it this way i got a spot for you man i like i said
i built this because i really love the people i
don't really have a super lot to offer anybody but what i do have is friendship and companionship
uh and anybody who's willing to travel to come to see me and spend time with me it's just like
come on bro like i gotta i gotta spot for you if you want to come in september shoot i'll definitely
make sure there's a spot for you let's go yeah looking forward to the prize i
think i've been i was part of the first 500 to me so hopefully i get lucky but thank you guys so
much for coming on spookspace i think it has been a really insightful exciting fun one um we'll have
another set of amazing speakers for you guys next week. You do not want to miss it. Same time, Tuesdays, 4 p.m. UTC.
And it's going to be a vibe.
Thank you guys for coming.
Shout out to our speakers and listeners as well.
See your beautiful faces next week.
But for now, it's goodbye.
Bye, everybody.
