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Recorded: Sept. 2, 2025 Duration: 1:06:18Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. Hello. hello and gm gm gm everyone great to have you guys here on spookspace again
i'm really excited about our guests for today we have goblin finance and udi
and i think it's going to be super duper awesome and we're going to be
diving into the space in a bit but before we do that please like retweet the space let's share it
and get more eyes in here so people can know it has started if you know anyone missing the space
not to worry they could uh come back and listen into the recordings because Spookspaces are always recorded so they
don't miss out on the alpha.
If it's your first time on
Spookspace, this shouldn't be
too weird for you but we
kick off Spookspaces with Pump It Up by Danzel
which I'm going to be playing
in a bit so we just get everybody
into the mood and then we
get into
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a while but finally the sun is out um we're having the last leg of Aptos Summer.
And it's been so exciting. Got in my merch as well.
Shout out to the Aptos Collective. I think that was really cool.
Expecting some others on the way. I see people have really cool images all across.
And Aptos Summer didn't come short of surprises or awesome projects. Like we've seen Goblin Finance.
And I think I'm so excited about this one
because it touched so many points that have been,
I can almost say preaching on the Aptos ecosystem.
And when we talk about yields and things like that,
as well as Yield Finance, sorry, Yield AI.
We have Sergei here.
Sergei is going to be speaking for Yield AI
on the second segment
of the Spookspace.
But without rambling
on for too long, GM
GM, are we going to be listening
are we going to be hearing from Goblin
Finance Accounts or Mia are you going to be
speaking? Who is speaking for Goblin today?
Hello
GM GM everyone. Thanks for inviting me. Oh, Mia, is it late where you
are? Sounds like it's really late. Yes, it's midnight here in Hong Kong. And an excuse
for my voice, I'm a little bit sick today. But really glad to be here and glad to be invited by Spooks
and to introduce our project to everybody.
It's my pleasure.
It's our pleasure to have you here.
We're really excited about Goblin Finance.
And we're going to go into all the exciting things around what you guys are doing especially
the fact that goblin was almost introduced to the aptos ecosystem through iperion which i think is
one really unique way that goblin finance came into the aptos ecosystem i think now if you try
to access the goblin votes through iperion it just redirects you to the goblin votes through iphone it just redirects you to the goblin platform and i think there's
a goblin introducing themselves like okay we are own products it's really going to be an independent
protocol on aptos and i just love the way you guys came about it i think it's one of the most
unique ways that uh has made earning yield on aptos easy for individuals. So yes, I've been really looking
into Goblin and I'm excited about it. But can you give us a brief intro on the team? Who are the
people behind Goblin Finance? How did you guys come about it? Let's just get to know you guys a bit.
Thank you. Thank you so much. So let me give you guys a little bit of background of our team.
So our co-founder, Kevin, he is a Carnegie Mellon graduate and he worked at Microsoft before.
And he previously led DeFi protocol that managed over 300 million in on-chain assets.
that managed over 300 million in on-chain assets.
And so he has a very strong technical background.
And me, I'm Mia, GM, GM, everybody.
So I'm the chief business officer in Goblin.
And I came from a traditional finance background.
traditional finance background. I used to work in Chinese top insurance companies as asset
management companies. Our company used to manage over a million, a hundred million in AUM and I
have raised more than 10 million dollars in finance. So I think both of us together, we can combine, the combine of us,
we bring a good engineering and traditional finance background to this project.
And so also we chose Aptos because we see Aptos as a unique opportunity.
It's very technically advanced and it's very scalable as a blockchain infrastructure
and with a very, very vibrant community.
But we think there are still improvements in its yield infrastructure.
So that's why we're here to build.
Yo, I mean, with the experience you have, maybe no protocols yield can be sufficient, you know, because you have deep experience in traditional finance and even like raising with these other companies that you've
worked with i i think there's so much offer you have to offer for the aptos ecosystem and we're
glad to have amazing builders like this i think it's it's uh really good to know that we have
these people with deep experience in finance coming into Aptos. Aptos put out the theme of being the global
trading engine earlier this year and I think more and more people like you are needed if we are
going to achieve this dream of becoming the global trading engine. But yeah, just from the experience
you shared about you and the other co-founder as well, I think it shows you guys have huge financial background,
but I didn't hear anything about the dev aspect.
And I know building in Web3 can be a bit tricky,
but maybe not even the dev aspect,
but getting into Web3,
what were some of the biggest challenges you guys faced?
I think coming into building Aptos and then we found the opportunities here are quite
fragmentated.
And I think there are yield opportunities across different decks and staking protocols
and different ecosystem projects.
But there is lacking of this unified ways
to access all of them.
So we want to unify this opportunity into one platform.
And another, I think we think
the traditional staking tokens on Aptos was,
it's quite, they can only pass through like basic yield to the users.
So we want to give the users a better experience for the liquid staking tokens as well.
And so I think we think Aptos and the community, they need a professional
grade yield layer so that it can become the global trade engine. So I think we want to
help them to achieve this goal and as well as provide a very professional great yield opportunity to all the users wow i think that's awesome and
perfect timing you guys coming into aptos when the team is global trading engine to work towards
achieving that vision i think it's cool that we have you guys here right now but one cool thing
i noticed about goblin when i first found the project was I found it on
Hyperion. And I think it was really unique that there was this partnership. I always thought
Goblin was more of an infrastructure or could I say an infrastructure layer, but now Goblin is
becoming its own project. And then I realized Goblin is kind of supported by Movemakers. I'm not
completely, I don't completely understand what this partnership is but I
also know Iperion is a project out of Movemakers so maybe I can see a bit of
the connection there. Can you explain the partnership with Movemakers and
maybe what kind of support you are receiving from them?
Yes, yes. So we're a project that incubated by Movemaker. But beyond that, I think Movemaker,
along with the Aptos Foundation, they have provided us more than just grants. And they've been like, provide us tremendous advices and connected us with other ecosystem builders
such as Hyperion.
And they supported us with technical resources too.
And market campaigns and community alignments
such as Spook and Aptree.
And so like they really allow us to move forward faster
and more confidently.
So we're just building a product.
We're here to strengthening the entire AppToss DeFi ecosystem.
Let's go.
Talk about integrating with the ecosystem seamlessly.
You know, just watching Goblin, I always felt like you guys were really close to Ethereum.
And I'm just finding out that you guys were connected by Movemakers.
Am I correct?
Yes, yes.
Oh, that's awesome, man.
You guys seem really, really close.
And I almost felt like oh maybe these
two beauties have known themselves for a long time but glad to see that you found each other
on napdos and it's been such a beautiful marriage now yeah we're all from the chinese community
chinese speaking community but yeah we're glad that we can connect to more globally community as well.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's lovely coming through Movemakers and they've been doing really cool stuff with the Asian community and the Chinese speaking community.
And other than that, I've seen Movemakers participate so much in other regions as well.
So good to see that you guys are following that for those
footsteps but many people might not still know what goblin is we've been hearing what goblin is
some have even found it in the votes of ipyrean before now well goblin is becoming its own product
we are seeing this huge amount of tvl that continues to expand every day
but in simple terms how would you describe Goblin?
I would say Goblin is the native yield layer for Aptos
that turns idle assets into productive capital
capital through automated strategies.
through automated strategies.
So would you say Goblin is targeting
ideal liquidity? Because those are the words you used.
I think it will make the liquidity
more efficient as I think for a lot of
the users, DeFi users right now,
although the Uniswap v3, they generate very high yield,
but it's really difficult for most of the users to adopt.
So they have to constantly, you know, like checking their ranges,
see if their LPs pair is still active.
So I think for those users who find the liquidity staking is very difficult,
they can come to our vaults and then we'll strengthen the liquidity pool
for different decks and then that will enhance and give them more,
you know, more efficient liquidity on Aptos chain as well.
You said for different DEXs.
Right now, is Goblin supporting multiple DEXs?
Right now, we're only building on Hyperion, but we're talking with all different projects so that we can strengthen their liquidity, like strengthen their TBLs and liquidity as well.
I love it. I love it. Okay, I had some assumptions about Goblin and Hyperion. We're going to get to
that later on in the space, but let's dive deeper into what Goblin is. Going through your docs,
I saw Goblin is built on two major pillars. There's the GoVault and GoAPT. Can you please break this down for us? Right. That's two of our most important strategies.
So our Gold Vault, which is current life on our website,
is basically a yield hub that provides different strategies
such as automated liquidity management.
So right now, we're having active liquidity management on Hyprin,
as I mentioned before. And in the future, I think later in this month, we're going to
upload the CD5 strategy vault. And So we're currently talking with different
hedge fund so that they can help us
to develop some strategies.
And toward the end of this month,
and next month,
and I think later on,
we'll also adopt other delta neutral
tradings on Perpdex.
And then I think in the future, we're going to adopt some leverage lending as well.
And since the Aave app is live on Aptos chain, so we can use that strategy to enhance the yield of our products too. So we're trying to provide hands-off
different strategies to our users so that they can gain good yields without manual management.
And for GoAPT, it's our yield enhanced liquidity staking token. So it's different than the traditional kind of LSTs that I earlier
mentioned. They just pass through basic staking yields. So our Goal APT, they can share the
strategy fees that generated from our vault. Say like the vault can share some of its profit to the
say like the vault can share some of its profit to the gold APT.
So it creates, it enhances its yield.
So we hope this can create a compounding effect
so that more vault activity will bring more fees
and those fees will, you know, like increase the Go APT yields.
And then that will increase the demand and lock in
for the Go APT yields.
And that will build some strategies on the Go APT yields
and then creates the hope that will attract
more TVL and more small activities.
So it's kind of like a flywheel effect.
Wow, that's a lot to take in.
Just to clarify this, is GoAPT a liquid stake token?
Yes.
Wow. Okay, next.
Is Goblin going to be running its own validator?
Yes, we will be.
We're working on that.
Let's go!
Okay, now I'm getting too excited for a host of the space.
But yeah, I really love what you guys are doing.
Yeah, it is quite exciting.
Yeah, it is. It definitely is.
I think there's so much still going to be built.
At the end of the space, I'm going to ask about timelines for this
because it seems like there's so much you guys are doing all at once.
We're glad to see that the yields are live.
And I'll just use this moment to urge everybody in the audience,
if you've not checked out Goblin Yields yet,
you probably should because
you are missing out on easy yields and some of the best yields on aptos are that so i'm just going to
pin the goblin account tweets to the jumbotron so you guys can easily find that but yeah uh something
that aptos users already found exciting before they even understood what Goblin was, was integrating with Hyperion.
If you add liquidity on Goblin, you would be earning drips.
And I see the drip season one has come to an end and Hyperion has gone to TGE.
But season two just went live, if I'm not mistaken.
And I see this partnership with Hyperion still going on very strongly.
Are users of Goblin still earning drips on Hyperion?
Yes, the answer is yes.
So when users deposit their assets into our vault, they're automatically earning drips from Hyperion.
And also you can check your drips is showing on their website too.
So not only you will be earning our goblin points, which is not live yet, but we're taking
notes of it and we're calculating it.
But I think our point system will be live, I think, this week, if not next week.
So you'll be earning both Goblin Points and Hyperion Drips.
And I think I can say that we're also partnering with Kofi Finance.
So you'll be able to deposit your APT and KAPT pair
into our vault once it's ready.
And I heard, I think Kofi is about to launch
their point system too, but don't say that.
I don't say that I said it.
So if you know, you know.
Yeah.
The perk of being from being in this space.
No, I mean, it's one of the things about the Spook space is you always find alpha.
Alpha that probably shouldn't be shared.
But yeah, thank you for sharing that on space.
I think it's really cool.
There's a pool I'm super excited about.
It's a pool I engage a lot with on Iperion concentrated liquidity pools.
I'm glad to see that Goblin is incorporating that.
So just to clarify some technical themes you use, maybe we'll just talk about delta neutral strategies.
I see this a lot in your doc, and you spoke about it earlier on space today. Can you explain what delta neutral strategies are?
you know, design some very low volatility strategies that allows us to earn more stable
yields, even when the staking yields goes down. So we're trying to design our products so that
it's suitable for different market conditions. So basically, you can buy, you know, earn,
you can buy, you know, earn, adopt funding rate arbitrage
or like different perp arbitrage strategy.
And then you can learn very basically risk-free yields.
And then we'll adopt that into our vault strategies too.
It's been so exciting just going through these questions with you.
I'm really excited about everything Goblin is building, and I feel like I might have missed some.
But you mentioned how Goblin is going to be the central yield layer for Aptos.
I don't know if you are familiar with Convex on Cove.
If you are, would we say Goblin is aiming
to be something like convex on curve?
I think if I understand it correctly,
we're trying to anchor the yields across Aptos.
We're trying to support different ecosystem projects by, you know, supporting lending
rates and stable coin adoptions and LST growth and by aggregating and by optimizing strategies.
And we're trying to, you know, build us to become the backbone and the native yield layer for Aptos.
And we want to be here for Aptos' long-term expansion.
So I think, yes, that's our vision.
Yo, love it so much.
So trying to force out some more alpha from you,
you spoke about how Goblin is also going to be providing liquidity to PEPS.
And one of the most exciting projects in that area has been Decibel, announced by Aptos Labs.
Have there been any talks with Goblin and Decibels and should we expect the partnership in this?
Yes, that's our roadmap. We're planning to talk and integrate with Decibel and I think once the
infrastructure is ready. But I think we're also building with Sifu so that they can help us to integrate our CD5 strategy.
So we're really trying to integrate with different strategy ecosystem partners on Aptos
so that we can make the community more vibrant and allow users to, you know, participate
through different platforms and, you know, to access um you know um more more yield opportunities
awesome awesome awesome i think it's really cool what we'll be seeing from goblin but can we put a
bit of timeline on some of this maybe we should kick it off with the point system like you said
that is going to be going live soon uh what is the estimated time for this
um we're uh we're designing um our point system uh right now and um i think we're um wrapping up
so the point system i think will be live within this week and um or maybe early next week so it's it's going to be live soon yo okay so you guys should
definitely get ready for the goblin point system um if you've not checked goblin yet i guess you
better start preparing and creating your strategies but now let's talk about fairly rewarding this
point we know that users users won't just be using goblin for the
first time when this point system goes live are there considerations to reward previous users
that's users that have already been using the goblin platform for the times that they've used
goblin up till now uh yes yes of course um I think I want to clarify, although the point system is not online,
but we're calculating it and we're making notes of every user.
We as Goblin, I've always said that we'll never overlook
or under-reward any of our early supporters and
participates.
And then there will be always be in our hearts and we'll always remember and
thanks for everybody's support. And, and yes,
the answer is yes. And we're, we're, we're going to, you,
you will see the points you earn earned since our products launched.
Let's go.
So guys, if you are yet to use Goblin, you don't have to wait for the point system.
The Goblin finance team is already taking note of your usage.
So I'll say the earlier, the better.
Go start getting those points.
So up next, I would like to know about GoAPT.
I think there are so many things that needs to
be done before GoAPT goes live is there a timeline estimate for this? I think we estimate
the GoAPT will be live within this month but I think it will be towards the end of this month
because our team and development team has been very busy and then
we're trying to make the product launch as smooth as possible so we're trying to
roll out a smooth experience for everybody and then I think we need to wrap to ramp up our vault adoption so that since our GoAPT will share the vault fee,
so I think we're trying to ramp up the vault product
so that the GoAPT can have a really good, attractive yield to offer.
Yeah, let's go. Let's go.
Okay, definitely looking forward to that.
Exciting place for me to stack up my apc and uh so something that is exciting for me like i said earlier on space
is the aptk pt pool you spoke there already in talks with coffee finance
um when should we be expecting this pool to go live um We're all working on that.
So I think that'll be live within like one to two weeks.
I think it should be one week,
but let's just say within two weeks.
Let's go, let's go.
Okay, more exciting places for you to earn yield
with your APT token token i would really be
looking forward to this one uh but yeah thank you goblin so much for coming uh this is this one is
just what everybody in the community wants to hear you've spoken about a point system and usually when
we see point system it's inting towards governance and a token so will goblin have its own token
uh we do plan to issue um our token in the future uh but uh not much details can be disclosed at this moment. So I think please follow our Twitter
and please follow our official announcements.
And then we'll make announcements at the right time.
But right now, stay tuned and come to experience the products
and try to participate in our campaigns.
We're having all different sorts of campaigns
and community events.
Last week, we hosted a community poker event
and we had 300 people join
and we have the content events that's going on right now.
And we're also looking for ambassadors.
And so we're having all different sorts of activities going on.
So please participate.
And as I said, we'll never under-reward any early supporters and participants.
Let's go. Goblin is already committing to community and supporters
and ensuring that you're going to be rewarded for your efforts in their projects.
So I think that's really lovely to see.
We'll just maybe take a few questions before we get to UDI with Sergei here.
Kika, I see you have your hand up.
Most likely you have a question
for goblin please go ahead um kicker sorry i can't hear you maybe can help us adjust your mic
okay looks like kicker is rogging i hope i'm not the one rogging just to confirm yes okay
please leave the space and join in again and let's fix that but thank you mia for coming on space
thank you goblin it was so it was filled with so much alpha i can't believe how much alpha we're able to get out of
you guys in about 30 minutes well i'll be looking at goblin and all the exciting things coming from
it i urge everybody to watch the goblin x account most likely turn on your post notifications uh
there's so much going on there like you've heard already on space and you don't want to miss any
of that but kicker
you have the mic now i think i can hear you go ahead yeah okay so i'll just ask one question
will goblin finance be um integrated with um apps 3 because i'm personally right i've actually been
able to interact with more defy products through apps 3 than I have done individually. Like most times I'm just trying to get my droplets.
So because of the droplets, I'm having to interact with AppTose DeFi.
So the question is, will Covenant Finance be integrating?
Will it get listed on AppTree?
No, it's the word listed, but will I see it on AppTree?
Am I allowed to say?
Am I allowed to discuss more Alpha goes more alpha yeah yeah yeah me i think you're allowed to
say uh yes we're in talk and then we're trying to cook something for the community
and i think just look forward to it
somehow um alphas just slip out on spook spaces alphas that are not supposed to be shared but
yeah i guess you guys are lucky for coming on spookspace today that i i think we've spewed so
much we should probably just end to say again before we spill more than we should but yeah
thank you guys so much for coming goblin it was an exciting time speaking with you on Spookspace.
I hope with every future announcement,
we're able to have you guys on space again to break it down and share exciting milestones as Goblin proceeds.
Thank you again, Mia.
Awesome.
Now we have Sergei.
GM, GM, Sergei.
Can we get the Yield AI account
up here?
Do you hear me? Yes, I do. I do.
Can we get the Yield AI account up here?
Or maybe I just pin a tweet
to the Jumbotron.
yes, you can.
Okay.
Okay.
Maybe about our new portfolio tracker that can track external words on aptos oh cool cool okay and i think i found an uh
a tweet about
the needs of
we made a few
tweets about our
session
I think the
most important part is to make sure people
can find the X account
the Yield AI X account is in the audience
but I've also pinned
some of the tweets to the top of the space
so you guys can easily find
it but GM, GM, Sergey sergey is going to be speaking
uh for huge ai on spookspace today it's something we are really excited about as well
um if there's one thing that apple stands out for and i brag about anytime i talk to people
from other ecosystems is we have some of the best yields on Aptos. And I see Yield AI is doing something awesome with that as well.
So, GM, GM, Sergey, can you tell us a bit about yourself and Yield AI?
Okay. Again, thank you for having me today.
I'm glad to speak here on one stage with you guys and Mia, because personally I using Goblin Vault on Hyperion. dashboard on Aptos for yield farming optimization and right now we build something like
Portfolio Tracker with the ability to manage your assets. You can track pools from, think 10 aptos protocols and you can you can choose a pool with best api you can
calculate your future income and for some protocols you can manage your assets directly from udi
your assets directly from UDI.
You know, UDI was awesome for me
because when I found out about UDI,
I connected with...
Did I have to connect my wallet?
Okay, yes, I think I connected my wallet
and I figured I had some crazy yields
on platforms that not checked in a while.
And I was like, okay, yes, this is a lovely product.
Helps you manage your yields in one place.
You don't have to scramble through protocols on Aptos.
I think it was just a really easy,
seamless experience and cool stuff like the yield calculator as well.
But that's what's Yield AI has benefited me as a user.
Now I'm going to ask you the question um
what inspired yield ai oh um i started as a defy user exploring yield protocols i participated and
right now i also participate in airdrops and testing strategies across all major chains.
What frustrated me was the fragmentation of my assets, because they scattered across different
protocols, chains, inconsistent interfaces, and I don't have unified view.
and I don't have unified view.
For example, we have Debunk in the Ethereum chain,
and Debunk inspired me,
but it was limited only to Ethereum and lower to chains.
I want something broader.
We initially built a telegram-based
portfolio tracker on Tone blockchain. I think it was a year ago, reaching the
semi-finals of the Winter Hackers League, its biggest hackathon. However, Tone
imposed restrictions on mini-apps for multi-chain use and you can
you can use only tone blockchain in telegram mini apps right now which conflicted i think with the
It's a very strange move from Tom.
Later, at the beginning of this year, I joined the Aptos Metamove Hackathon, organized by Julia Finance.
AI agent on Aptos and was impressed by Aptos low fees and developer-friendly
environment because it's much easier to build any app on Aptos than on Don, also right, Solana. And we, on April this year, we won second prize in this hackathon and
it became clear that we could create an app that serves as the gateway to all
for DeFi tracking and managing assets across protocols from one interface.
And we built not only Debunk, you can use Debunk, for example,
only for read only about your assets, about your protocol position,
but also for management.
And what makes Yieldi unique is that you're not just a tracker, but also a management hub.
Personally, I use my application daily to manage my own assets, and many of my YouTube subscribers do the same.
I run a YouTube channel about DeFi, and I understand people need something that can help them manage their assets.
Yeah, I saw your video on App3 and I must say I was impressed.
Yaa shared it to me and really detailed stuff of DeFi coverage on App2s.
I think it's so cool.
I think it's so cool.
And there's one more avenue where users that might be finding it out to keep up with the going-ons on the Aptos DeFi can find updates.
So yeah, you guys should check out Vosegi's YouTube.
He's doing such a good job there.
Okay.
So for every product, there is an audience. And I think sometimes products get it wrong
when they don't think of the kind of people they are trying to attract. So I personally
love UDI, but I see there is a light version and then there is a pro version. So why did you pick this?
Why did you make UDI this way?
And who is the target audience of UDI?
We have two tabs in UDI.
One we called light version of interface and another Pro version.
And first, users begin to interact with Yieldi, usually with Lite interface.
It's a simpler beginner friendly interface showing
available pools on apptos where users can directly deposit assets by you die we
we show protocols that we have a deeper integration and you can for example take popular tokens like stables apt or btc btc btc xbtc
and you can you can deposit assets just drag and drop from your wallet, from your connected wallet into these pools.
And since transactions are gutless, you can make a deposit right from this panel
if you only hold stable coins.
For example, if you have only USDC on your wallet, you can deposit in any of these light pools
because it's integrated with a few protocols.
Echelon, Aave, Julia Finance, Amnys and I think, and Coffee Finance.
We have deeper integration and Pro tab
it's more advanced that work for experienced users, farmers, yield farmers
it lists the full range of pools on Aptos from the protocols with the filters to compare
impermanent loss or stable pools, comparing API,
borrow
borrow API. Even if a protocol doesn't yet support deposits directly from YLTI, you can click on this protocol
and go to their site. But for every protocol, you can still monitor your position in YLTI.
First, we integrate read-only model for every protocol,
because it's important to have a well picture of your assets on Aptos.
But for every protocol, we try to add manage opportunities.
For example, active AppTree users never lose track of their liquidity positions in YieldAid. Let's go!
I love the simplicity of it.
I love how easy it makes navigating yields on Aptos for users.
This is one of those exciting projects for people like me that are constantly looking
for the best yields
available in the app-to-sircle system.
But for anything like this, it becomes quite tricky
when users have to connect their wallets.
So what measures are currently in place
currently in place to ensure safety of you the AI users?
to ensure safety of yield AI users?
I understand. First, if you only connect your wallet, it's completely safe on the
connect wallet. It's completely safe for every protocol. You just show what assets do you have to this protocol.
But for every transaction that you sign in Petro wallet, in Aptos Connect wallet, you need to check on with which smart contract you
signed your transaction. For example, if you don't
trust any protocol, you can copy address of smart contract directly
from Petra, you can paste this address in Aptos Explorer and you can check their verified contracts.
And for example, if you have doubts about yielding, you can, for example, click deposit, deposit then don't sign transaction click contract address and check check this smart contract
and you can see echelon verified contract panora verified contract and so on and so forth
contract and so on and so forth.
But right now, because we are on early stage,
I saw that most people use the claim rewards feature,
because it's the simplest way to try our application.
And they saw that in PetriWallet they after clicking this
claim button they saw that they received tokens and it's okay and if you if you
don't trust our protocol you can try with read only mode you can try with read on the mod you can check this claim button and i personally i recommend
for every new protocol uh deposit uh for example one or two dollars uh just to try it you know i
think it's really awesome especially the clean button because it shows you how much you've earned across DeFi protocols on Aptos.
It brings out a sum of how much you have on all these protocols that UDI is tracking.
And I think that's really cool. Definitely something that comes in handy for a lot of youth farmers like me like i said earlier on the space um but i i would like
to see a feature where you mentioned read only a feature where maybe users don't have to connect
their wallets at all maybe for more skeptical users that might not completely understand smart
contracts and contract addresses where they can just maybe paste addresses and see how
contract addresses where they can just maybe paste addresses and see how yield has been
distributed across protocols i think that would be really awesome another aspect is i think for
safety things like yield ai users will most likely be looking for audits i do would be really lovely
to have an audit on you they i but, I think it's such a great product.
And something I find really fascinating on UDI as well
is the yield calculator.
This has helped me so much.
Can you talk a bit about yield calculator?
Okay.
A few words about security.
Of course, we plan to do audit.
Right now it's alpha information. We participate in the closed Aptos, and of course we plan to do audit for our protocol for our future smart contracts. Right now, at its core functionality, the calculator is a simple tool to estimate potential earnings. these numbers in yield calculator and you can check expected daily monthly and earning returns
across different aptos protocols just entering also api of these protocols for example you can
check api in our light or pro section and then enter it in yield calculator. And it's first mode of this
yield calculator, estimate passive income from chosen pools. And another tab is
APR calculation. You can calculate actual yield farming results useful for tracking real performance.
For instance, I use this calculator in my Defi show videos to demonstrate real yield
of real results of yield farming in my strategies. For example, on Aptos, stablecoin yields of 16% with minimal risk are common, while more advanced farming can reach 20-25% APR on stables.
The next step is integrating the calculator with user portfolios. Eventually Yieldi will
suggest farming strategies tailored to user goals. For example, if you want to
earn $10 per day in passive income, we will suggest your strategy on one of the
apps protocols
I'm really excited about UDI I think once we get enough confidence from the
community this is something that will take off why still urge everybody to
check out UDI if you have liquidity scattered across Aptos just like I do, I think this is such a handy tool
for you. But we've seen projects similar to UDI on Aptos before, and I'll say some of them didn't
turn out so great. One of the reasons has been maybe sustaining these products and so when i mean sustained being able to maintain and improve
on this and definitely stuff like this costs real money so um just trying to understand what
udi plans are for revenue generation um what are you currently looking at for a way to make UDI sustainable?
Yes, it's important questions for every protocol, every startup.
And our review model has two phases. And right now, we focused on swaps and claiming rewards.
What does it mean?
UTI already supports Gazlis transactions through Aptos Gas Station.
It's our feature, like a front-end, to attract users.
to attract users. Then users can claim rewards and instantly swap them into their preferred token.
For example, personally I like stablecoins, some of our users, I can see it on blockchain,
prefer apt token and during this swap you die charging a small fee like every protocol
we right now we use panora and we use it's our it's our we can we integrate panora and we can take some fee from this swap.
Also, we offer a swap and deposit feature.
For example, if you hold USDT but find a good pool in USDC, you can convert and deposit in
in APTIS protocol, for example, in echelon lending, in one step.
And during this swap operation, we charge a small fee.
It's our first model of monetization.
And in future, we plan to develop AI agent strategies.
to develop AI agent strategies.
A user will be able to delegate management to an AI agent
that executes farming strategies automatically.
And for example, personally, I'm glad to have strategy that can automate all uh all things that i uh told in defy show
for example defy show strategy uh you don't need to repeat uh all this uh all this rebalancing
stuff and so on and so forth you just click one button and AI agent can rebalance your
portfolio, move assets to one of or two apps protocols, then receive fees, rewards
and convert it, depends on your strategy. And UTI will take a performance fee on the profits that user generate from this management.
Yes, okay.
I was going to say, it's really awesome to see that EUDI is a product
out of the Metamove Akaton.
I was really excited about some of those AI agents that we were talking about then.
Well, it seems like EUDI is that product that continued to build
even after the Metamove Akaten and obviously already bringing forth a really exciting product on Aptos.
So, yes, I'm really loving it. I look forward to the AI agents.
But one thing I noticed is the talks around AI agents have kind of died down, almost as if people don't believe in AI agents so much.
So maybe to round off the space,
why do you think AI agents have not taken off
as everybody expected?
I think that the problem is that most AI agent startups began with token launching. they launched a token and then they stop uh just stop developing uh real ai tools and
for me personally uh ai agent agents is a future uh right now now personally I use cursor AI as white coding tools I
use AI for video creation I use AI for text creation content and I saw that all we need is to automate
automate actions in different spaces for example we can automate actions in video creation, also we can automate actions in
crypto, in yield farming, in trading, and all we need is time.
We need time to develop such protocols, we need time to audit them, and this AI agent tokens hype is gone, but we have
developers that can build something real, something that really works. And that's why we started from a simple
portfolio tracker but then we add more features more features and we we will
come to real agent that can for example for example we we will start from an AI agent that we have ai agents that can really manage
your assets and as i said before if you if you saw if you see an ai agent you can start to give him one or two dollars and check it.
Thank you so much, Sergei, for that.
I was really, really excited about AI agents.
Somehow the hype just went quiet.
So I'm really hoping to see an AI agent come out
and live up to the dreams that everybody had
and just become that awesome,
would I say money printer now, that everybody thought AI agents would be.
But yeah, trying to just respect people's time and keep the spokespatter on our mark.
So, but definitely we'll most likely have you in the future.
Looking forward to everything that comes from Yield AI.
When we have that AI agent,
I think that's going to be such an
exciting space to talk about
that. But yeah, for
now, thank you guys so much for coming on
Spookspace. Glad to have
spoken to Yield AI and Goblin
Finance. Shout out to everybody
that came in to listen. You guys make
Spookspaces awesome and your guys are the best. But for now, that came in to listen. You guys make Spookspaces awesome,
and you guys are the best. But for now, it's goodbye from us. We'll see you next week,
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