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Aptos x Aave | Redefining DeFi Beyond EVM
Recorded: Jan. 17, 2025 Duration: 1:01:09Space Recording
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native UCT, things that are familiar to many users.
So yeah, I'm quite happy with the progress.
And I do think that the whole user experience aspect here
is really interesting.
Yeah, having that friendly user experience for retail users
and people who are using it, who really, if we're building things
for everyone to use in the world, we don't want it to be that confusing
or the barriers to entry that come into it.
And I think you brought up a good point also about the stables,
having native stables bring some familiarity from the other ecosystems
as well as some things that people can trust to help along with things
like Aave and other DeFi protocols.
Yeah, and I have mixed opinion on this.
Because it makes sense to have the same assets
and kind of like a shared DNA across all these other networks.
And I do think that's good because you might want to use the same stablecoin
and it's simple, you can trust Circle or whatnot.
But at the same time, during this project, I realized that, you know,
having its own, like an ecosystem having its own peculiarities
and differences is actually really cool.
Not just like assets, but also like in terms of opportunities and restrictions
that how you, for example, build on Move and what you can build.
And I think that's really important because that's how also our offering
at Aave can actually differentiate.
So the future versions of Aave, for example,
they don't need to look the same as on EVM.
So we tried to build the Move implementation
in the mind of being as close to the Solidity implementation as possible.
But whenever we had a kind of like a compromise
between the Solidity implementation
and making something that is more aligned for Aptos,
we made that decision to align more with Aptos
because then we can actually kind of like,
we build from the perspective of having a reference
of something we built earlier on Solidity,
but we're building like the best thing we can build for Aptos.
And going forward, we're going to go more towards this way
where the actual implementation might look a little bit different
and the features also might be even different from the EVM implementation.
Stani, it sounds like you're dropping a little bit of future alpha.
I mean, do you have any thoughts on what we could do
with the next version of Aave that have specific features
that could benefit users with Aptos and Move?
I really want to look into the time components quite a lot
and also more better pricing of the interest rates.
I think that's an area where we'll be focusing quite a lot.
I do think that we have to bring Go into Aptos as well
because it's going to be that strong decentralized alternative
to these more centralized stable coins.
But I do think that the element of being able to trade
that kind of like exposure of interest rate is interesting
when you can do that in a very high frequency
and a very wide full of multiplayers.
I can't wait to get that started.
That'll be a lot of fun.
Exciting things coming up in the DeFi space for Aptos
and I'm super excited to see Aave on Aptos in general.
Question for you guys.
You guys ready to maybe open it up for some questions
from the audience and interact with the other people here?
Amazing.
All right.
I'm not the co-host, so someone else will have to let them up,
but I will introduce them as they go
and we'll see how it goes.
Come on up and feel free to raise your hand
or whatever if you want to be able to come up
and ask some questions to the guys.
Meanwhile, I guess, while we're waiting,
oh, is block work?
Sometimes, you know,
it's a little messy with Twitter.
Sometimes it doesn't show them.
But welcome, block labs.
Are there block labs?
Well, I guess I will...
Yeah, you might have to unmute block labs.
Yeah, I think he's still muted.
We have cash markets up here, it looks like now.
Or it disappeared.
Twitter, you know, Twitter's bugging me per usual.
So, I'll just fill some time here
with a different question to you guys.
Oh, wait, cash markets showed up again.
Welcome, cash markets.
Hello.
I wanted to ask a question.
Can I ask it now?
Of course.
Yeah, so this question is to Stani,
and it has to do with World Liberty Finance.
I've seen that you guys have been working a lot
with World Liberty Finance
because they're building on top of Aave, I believe.
And I just wanted to know
if they are also thinking about
expanding to other chains beyond Ethereum.
Yeah, I think
I would say that
the best people to answer that
will be World Liberty Finance.
But based on my discussions
and understanding is that
they're very bullish on
on-chain, like, period.
And they come from an angle
where they want to use Aave
and their instance is on the Ethereum mainnet,
but they're open towards
overall into non-EVMs.
But that's my take on that.
But their team probably will be
the best people to answer.
So maybe if you try to DM their account
and ask them
or go to their governance forum,
maybe there's some better answer
than mine.
And welcome to Aptos.
Thanks, Cash.
All right.
Now let's let up.
We've got Michael.
Oh, no, Mooveflow came up.
Awesome.
Hello, hello.
Can you hear me?
We can.
Okay.
This is Troy from Mooveflow.
So my question is for Stony.
With the recent trend on AI agents,
what do you see Aave's role
in the integration with AI agent?
And how do you see
the emergence of future AI agent economy
would influence the current landscape of DeFi?
Because recently we're seeing the concept of DeFi.
So we'd like to see your opinion.
That's an interesting topic
because I think
a lot of the things
what you want to do
with the AI agents
you can't really do
like if you think about
like financial transactions, right?
You can't really do
outside of on-chain.
Like
you can't do
like very interesting
strategies
by like integrating
like different
like banking rails
and whatnot.
like everything
is so isolated
in the traditional
like finance
like the whole legacy finance.
Like it's just like
I think on-chain provides
a really
kind of like
a full arena
what you could do
as an actor
in DeFi
programmatically
and also
by analyzing
all the data
that is available.
So for me
DeFi
is a very natural
substrate
AI agents.
They can do
in DeFi
more
things than
they can do
in any
other
other form
of finance
in my opinion.
What's going to be interesting
is that
for Aave's
perspective
we will
probably see
a lot
being very helpful
on the
interest rates
optimizations
risk management.
We have
in total
over
4,000
risk parameters
across all the
networks and
deployments.
Like Aave is huge.
It's
it's not like
kind of like
like a
small
like
protocol.
It's
full
fledged
learning
facility.
You can
use it
in a
that
it's
simple
like
you can
create
you know
market
asset
a few
collateral
portable
asset
like
you can
use the
infrastructure
the way
you want
you know
it's
available
everyone
looking at
all these
deployments
there's
a lot
where
comes
into play
agents
as well
and then
overall
agents
I think
being
participants
in DeFi
is going
to be
interesting
they
probably
could be
a very
good
alternative
asset
management
kind
of like
mapping
out the
different
risk
profiles
that
exist
in DeFi
allocating
liquidity
based
risk
so I
think
that's
a really
exciting
area
explore
yeah
I think
it's
going
really
cool
I've
seen
some
stuff
already
happening
Aave
it's
actually
happening
yeah
bullshit
course
like
maybe
most
things
that
like
they
aren't
really
that
interesting
there
like
some
modifications
small
algorithms
whatnot
that
that
really
interesting
that's
part
that
should
follow
can I ask
a question
Avery
were you
saying
something
or did
rug on
maybe
rung
second
just
going
that
think
stuff
going
really
important
future
think
people
taking
bots
just
relabeling
this
some
degree
Stani's
point
it's
know
there's
a lot
potential
here
when
comes
intention
separating
that
intention
from
implementation
that
thinking
about
high
level
intentions
that
would
accessible
users
they
think
about
finance
trading
that
agents
transact
behalf
does
feel
like
we're
a little
ways
from
that
it's
that
hard
imagine
that
future
where
specify
high
level
objectives
more
intelligent
systems
determine
achieve
those
objectives
step
four
asset
into
another
anyone
fulfill
that
order
anyone
combination
DeFi
protocols
fulfill
that
order
then
thinking
about
high
level
intents
instead
just
like
want
transfer
asset
asset
might
want
think
about
want
manage
this
amount
risk
might
want
have
this
kind
profile
exposure
particular
types
assets
make
that
happen
behalf
trade
that
might
specify
some
goals
there
fluctuations
this
particular
asset
class
want
liquidate
holdings
here
move
them
another
future
definitely
bright
here
think
future
clear
just
like
traditional
systems
today
think
about
60-80%
of the
trades
automated
done
machines
implemented
through
case
going
forward
even
further
with
intentions
implementations
going
into
future
pretty
excited
about
this
space
awesome
thanks
Avery
for giving
your thoughts
as well
and thank
for asking
the question
want to
allow
Michael
to ask
a question
because
sorry
that I
because
Avery
you're
next
welcome
thank
thank
thank
guys
panel
interesting
panel
question
observation
DeFi
space
provides
higher yields
than
traditional
finance
infrastructure
despite
that
lots
people
know
they
still
traditional
like
percent
yields
question
what
main
challenge
converting
people
from
traditional
finances
such
into
DeFi
thank
yeah
I can
I can
I can
take
that
I mean
the simplest
answer
to that
if you
go to
someone
isn't
aware
like
isn't
using
crypto
them
DeFi
there
basically
least
steps
steps
between
there
problem
still
same
that
want
supply
into
Aave
first
insurance
user
need
wallet
right
that
might
family
that
might
something
else
then
need
your
crypto
buying
smaller
amounts
probably
won't
able
that
your
wallet
maybe
have
create
exchange
account
send
some
funds
there
swap
those
funds
into
stable
coin
with
Jato
funds
into
then
supply
effectively
might
have
token
approvals
then
might
have
roads
where
some
these
exchanges
already
integrate
flow
part
that
flow
might
have
less
steps
there
still
like
whether
it's
from
there's
just
still
many
steps
between
experience
when
have
moment
where
ava.com
click
deposit
just
amount
that
have
your
bank
account
press
deposit
everything
done
once
actually
there
then
more
that
retail
adoption
even
more
then
second
thing
integration
piece
DeFi
matures
yield
at the
right
spot
on the
risk
curve
that
possible
consume
some
these
fintechs
other
types
integrators
then
that
becomes
closer
possibility
then
there's
like
third
scaling
option
which
more
fund
management
fund
structure
perspective
basically
that
already
have
portfolio
invest
money
markets
think
about
Aave
just
on-chain
money
market
there
still
have
kind
challenges
getting
that
place
once
Aave
infrastructure
trapped
under
more
like
types
structures
down
line
more
integrations
into
traditional
rails
fintechs
hopefully
someday
into
banking
then
just
direct
better
direct
access
retail
think
those
components
missing
DeFi
is still
small
there's
schools
school
that
let's
bring
traditional
assets
on-chain
that's
the way
that we
adoption
then
other
around
that
let's
this
yield
consumers
think
both
interesting
latter
specifically
interesting
because
that
allows
think
that
operate
from
perspective
this
product
like
Aave
DeFi
into
the hands
everyday
users
think
that's
really
cool
idea
basically
how do
we export
DeFi
DeFi
that's
think
here
please
refine
question
understand
challenge
don't
think
it's
like
especially
last
thing
that
you've
talked
about
that
providing
yield
customers
within
DeFi
space
means
that
it's
power
shift
from
DeFi
DeFi
don't
think
there
some
players
industry
would
just
trying
block
stop
order
keep
their
power
mean
like
some
institutions
banks
stuff
like
this
challenge
actually
like
we're
still
small
they
won't
care
about
don't
know
mean
we're
living
interesting
times
know
next
president
United
States
know
backing
project
fans
Aave
fans
DeFi
a lot
things
changing
think
think
there's
been
forces
that
have been
pushing
DeFi
back
there's
every
week
there's
less
reasons
to do
crypto
overall
there's
been
this
whole
idea
that
crypto
used
money
laundering
recent
studies
example
labs
published
think
yesterday
that's
yesterday
recently
that
0.4%
crypto
transactions
from
illicit
activities
think
some
other
provider
came
with
another
research
where
that
number
basically
was a
chain
analysis
that is
0.14
total
chain
transactions
were
from
crypto
crime
that
argument
a lot
these
other
counter
arguments
becoming
very
weak
this
point
it's
really
reason
crypto
harder
than
terms
getting
into
mainstream
than
other
technology
because
you're
really
only
changing
technology
you're
changing
the whole
concept
money
financial
system
like
the way
financial
system
money
constrained
built
today
you're
basically
liberated
whole
system
that's
there
been
over
years
pushback
think
it's
the best
time
ever
build
DeFi
think
we're
still
very
small
industry
have
I think
we are
in total
like
billion
that
metric
think
about
size
whole
financial
industry
just
like
lending
side
things
know
it's
extremely
early
this
point
don't
just
understand
wouldn't
technology
that
providing
better
experience
more
transparency
than
financial
system
today
better
accountability
execution
less
risk
custody
like
hundred
times
better
product
as a
technology
won't
reason
know
won't
eventually
think
it's
concept
time
opportunity
think
that
it's
something
that
people
have
worked
here
like
these
things
actually
really
wrong
have
very
horrible
outcomes
think
there's
a lot
people
actually
supporting
this
technology
working
hard
that
everyone
build
space
think
that's
important
notice
thank
thank
very
much
thanks
both
speakers
thank
question
Michael
Ivery
looked
like
rugged
came
back
there
anything
want
otherwise
I'll
Shamrock
last
question
we got
like
seconds
left
maybe
last
thing
I'll
just
couple
things
Stani
gave
very
good
answer
about
product
experience
being
better
decentralized
finance
than
traditional
think
lots
reasons
people
need
trust
these
products
ready
mainstream
usage
think
this
something
where
Aave
really
shines
very
well
trusted
protocol
with
Move
bringing
that
trust
aspect
into
Move
going
something
that
we're
particularly
excited
about
combining
these
forces
really
trusted
product
with
really
trusted
powerful
infrastructure
that
enable
much
more
that
that
product
very
powerful
combination
product
that
scale
mainstream
adoption
just
pretty
excited
Awesome
sorry
Shamrock
I have
to cut
you off
because
we're
short
time
last
thoughts
from
Stani
Avery
like
closing
thoughts
side
yeah
it's
super
exciting
obviously
progress
side
keep
building
towards
mainnet
super
excited
about
some
point
getting
all the
mainnet
there's
still
some
road
ahead
super
exciting
thanks
everyone
coming
it's
been
pleasure
here
last
thought
will
definitely
Aave
test
haven't
lightning
fast
super
easy
experience
really
kind
talks
a little
more
about
future
that
science
mentioned
about
better
product
experiences
you'll
yourself
just
some
borrowing
lending
you'll
just
it's
instant
just
feels
like
normal
website
except
it's
trading
assets
real
time
basically
would
highly
advise
check
it's
incredible
thank
once
again
both
speakers
Stani
Avery
everyone
else
who's
come
asked
question
guys
great
love
community
thank
listening
catch
guys
next
space
that
have
great
have
have
good
time
