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Are AI Agents and Crypto Rewards the End of Big Tech’s Reign?
Recorded: April 25, 2025 Duration: 0:59:48Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion centers around the evolving landscape of AI agents and their potential to disrupt traditional big tech models. Participants emphasize the importance of decentralization, user privacy, and the growing trend of integrating crypto rewards into user experiences, signaling a significant shift in how technology interacts with users.
Full Transcription
Thank you. all right all right let's gonna go ahead and get some songs going especially as we wait for people
to uh pull in including our guests as well um what song do i feel like playing today
you know this is a problem because i've been listening to old, old songs that I forgot about.
And it has been amazing these last few weeks.
So hard finding.
All right.
All right.
Let's go with them.
I'm just going to play it safe.
Let's go with Still Hot.
Oh, no.
Wait, no.
That's not it.
That's not it.
Okay.
Pause.
And there we go.
Okay.
Let's go ahead and tweet this out let's get it going
yeah well last time i checked i'm still hot real hot kept it dope without a pill pop
bill cock steady coming to the hilltop tip top did it all off of a tip top, yeah.
Last time I checked, I stole that guy that did it on my own, stay independent, for you to get what I'm getting, it would probably take a village on.
Just give me a minute, turn a snippet to a hit, and now they all 100% is what I'm only paying visits on.
Big dog, hit him with thick thumbs and a quick draw.
Hip boss, if they ain't playing, they getting kicked off.
I got them puzzled, got them a bit large. Just a feeding frenzy, I put a beat in a quick draw Hit boss If they ain't playing, they getting kicked off Chick saw I got them puzzled, got them a bit lost
Just a feeding frenzy, I put a beat in a pick trough
Got it on lock, got the password
Type of thing you couldn't manufacture
$10,000 got it mastered, can't you see the patterns?
Last time I checked, I'm still hot
Real hot
Kept it dope without a pull pot
Feel cock
Steady climbing to the hilltop,
tip top, did it all off of a TikTok.
Yeah, last time I checked, I was still hot, real hot,
kept it dope without a pull pop, bill cock,
steady climbing to the hilltop, tip top,
did it all off of a TikTok.
Yeah, last time I checked, I'm still the man in my town,
they had to crown me.
What I used to make in the day, I make it hourly.
Code Grand send me a beat and make it bouncy.
When they hear the tag, they know it's about to be.
Big scene, catching us on the big screen.
16, bar slicker is pristine.
Stream, everything that we spit clean.
Big G's, pockets are looking mint green.
Paint game game bulletproof
Look at all the levels that we took it to
Sticking out like a crooked tooth
Staring at the mirror light, look at you
Damn, I'm still hot, real hot
Kept it dope without a pull pop
Build cop, steady climbing to the hilltop
Tip top, did it all off of a tip top
Yeah, last time I checked, I stopped.
Yeah, that's just me continuing off.
You know, I'm a great singer.
Look, look, I'm going to play one more song,
but real quick for everyone that is here, if you haven't already, bottom right-hand corner.
Let's repost, comment anything you like.
You know, even if it's a shut up, Drew.
You know, we welcome all insults and compliments of all kinds.
You know, we always love a little self-deprivacy.
I'm just kidding.
We love Drew.
We love Drew.
We love Drew.
Even if he hates me a little self-deprivity i'm just kidding we love drew we love drew we love drew uh even if he hates me a little bit but we're gonna go ahead and play one more song and uh get this going just
again i want to give some some other guests a little bit more time to get in as well and for
the rest of you to get settled in so again if you haven't already bottom one hand corner let's go
ahead and repost comment and bookmark sure we'll be giving away a free pudgy penguin to anyone uh who does that
so let's go ahead and play it out that's a big fudgy penguin by the way not a little one
no one wants a little one just kidding
yeah look they said that i couldn't do it, so I wouldn't.
Yeah, didn't.
W's only, you know I been winning.
Top of the world, the globe is spinning.
If you know, you know I been on a, what?
Mission. Mission. Go.
Okay, let's get it.
Got a little time on my hands like a wristwatch.
I don't got time for the brakes and a pit stop.
Race through the gridlock, take it like Chris Rock.
Right to the chin, still win heavy metals like Slipknot
Got the driving, I got tunnel vision
I just hit my stride the way I run the business
I been making paper like I'm done to Mifflin
See the end game, I got WandaVision
Look, I don't ever bother with a critic
Hit him with a Chronicle of Riddick
Boom, bottle full of Ritalin
I hit him with a little bit of Riddle me this, Riddle me that
My bad, fella, sleep at the gas
No time to wait though, Elon Musk, I'm trying to bankroll
New Tesla just cause I say so
Electric whip like Ivan Vanko I just, I just did it W's only, Elon Musk I'm tryna bankroll New Tesla just cause I say so, electric whip like Ivan Vanko
I just did it, W's only you know I been winning
Top of the world, the globe is spinning
If you know you know, I been on a issue
Okay let's get it
I live on a mission like totally spicy, my baddie she bad but she totally nice
Nails are blue and her toes feel like white, they can't be near my jaw that I'm so for my luck.
He do my crush on but he left with a wire.
Yeah, we live where we destined to die and you tell it all mad but I'm and then I lie.
I'm a lion, I feel like Memphis to pie and I'm going to go to the scene.
They usually run the wall open, I'm not even looking at my eyes.
They see there ain't enough that I'm going to go to the beat.
I'm finna be a cool star.
I got five for my name, he got no stock.
Come to me just to see how my shoes are.
They said that I couldn't do it, so I went and did it.
W's only, you know I've been winning.
Top of the world, the globe is spinning.
If you know, you know I've been on a mission.
Okay, let's get it.
Let's get it. Let's get it, Connor.
Oh, wait. Okay. Okay, pause. Look, guys, if you haven't already, bottom of my hand corner, let's get it. Let's get it. Let's get it, Connor. Oh, wait. Okay. Okay. Pause.
Look, guys, if you haven't already, bottom of my hand corner, let's repost.
Let's comment.
Show some love.
Give everyone up here a follow if you haven't already.
We've got most of our guests.
So from here, we're just going to kind of start easing into the discussion, checking
with some peeps.
Make sure we get some battering up here.
I can't tell if he's up here or not
because, you know, maybe he's glitching
and he's a listener, even though he's speaker.
I don't know.
But I want to check in with my people.
We're going to check in.
We're going to get this started.
I'm going to get this out there.
All the good stuff.
We got conferences.
Got a lot of things happening.
IRL.
So, you know, naturally,
that means the Twitter sphere gets a little slow.
Everyone gets, you know, is occupied.
Not everyone wants to talk about, you know, the latest drama, right?
Some people actually get serious when they're in this space.
So I know crazy work, crazy work.
Bottom right hand corner, if you haven't already, let's go ahead and repost, comment, bookmark the space if you want you might be like what's a bookmark and to that i say exactly just press all the buttons that you see and you'll be all right uh except the report button don't
press that but if you can't do that to drew ah but with that being said that being said let's check
it with drew drew how you feeling my man what's going on how's your day going you better come check in with me first after all that um yeah yeah report all you want come at me
no um good man i'm good i've been busy uh i've been holiday with easter and um yeah ready you
know here back in the swing of things but it's good i was gonna ask you i saw you uh posted
uh pick of your dogs the other day i think i think it was you uh and i was gonna ask you
what kind of what kind of dogs were they uh one's a super butt uh he's got like the he's like a
pitbull labrador with like three different hound groups the other one is straight up 50 50 rottweiler and hound so yeah yeah and
and the rottweiler one is the one with the same fur as a rottweiler would have
that black and orange so it's like uh she yeah she's awesome but it's been it's been a cool
dynamic it's been a cool dynamic with them with that's cool yeah so that i just wanted to ask when next time i was on with you and here we are so cool i love it man yeah man yeah but to answer
your question i'm doing good thanks man appreciate you yeah man no i'm glad you are are you drinking
anything i'm i'm drinking a a half mixed cappuccino what about you i got water and i got diet coke bro
Mixed cappuccino.
What about you?
I got water and I got Diet Coke, bro.
All right.
All right.
This is cool.
That's what I do.
I upgraded my coffee machine, and it tells me how to make a cappuccino.
So I just, you know, I just followed the instructions, and all of a sudden, I'm a Barissa.
But don't ask me to make it for you without a computer telling me how to do it.
But with that being said, with that being said,
welcome to the show where we talk about our pets
and coffee all day.
I hope you guys are ready for a fascinating topic as well.
But now let's check in real quick with Flagship.
Flagship, how are you doing today, fam?
What's going on?
Hey, Sanfa, Varun here from Flagship.
Thanks for inviting us.
Doing great.
Early summertime in Germany, so I'm not complaining.
The evening is amazing here.
I love that.
I love that.
Are you going to be going to the conference next week as well?
One of our co-founders will be there.
Ivo will be there.
But unfortunately, not me.
Not this time.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, you know, that's why you guys got a team, right?
You spread out.
And everyone does what they need to do.
Going to all of them by yourself is fucking exhausting.
And excuse my language.
But I think I did like one conference a month for like six months.
And I thought that would be manageable.
And in theory, it is.
But not when you have two kids to come home to.
Like that kind of, you know,
it gets the effects of recovery and breasts when you come off of that.
And even then, even then,
you're still coming back and working as usual without any real break.
You know, most of the people just love what they're doing and so on and so forth. then you're still coming back and working as usual without any real break.
Most of the people just love what they're doing and so on and so forth,
but it's still a lot of energy is spelled at the end of the day.
For context, I always lost my voice on the third day of any conference that I went to if I stayed for more than three days.
So what I started doing was i would only stay for three
days wherever i was going and on and then you know the universe loves to put jokes on me said you
know what on the second day you shall lose your voice then and you know so i just i just stopped
going to conferences altogether because i need my voice uh so yeah there's that there's that but but
battered let's check in with you, fam.
How you doing today? What's going on? What are you drinking?
I am hungover as hell drinking tea, and this year
I am going to go to so many bloody conferences
and speak to so many people, but at the end
of the year, everyone is going to have
so much bat rewards from everyone
advertising on Brave, they won't know what to do
with them.
Are you also going to bring a brave bat with you as
well to really give them the true effect of brave no but some events i i know meme con this year
there's going to be three brave lions yeah there you go there you go i like it i like it. I like it. All right, cool. Well, on that note, make sure you catch Battern.
He's a super tall dude.
Really, really buff.
He basically looks like The Rock, but with the British accent.
You might be like, are you being serious?
Is that true?
And to that I say, you need to go find out for yourself.
Hit him up.
See where he's at.
And you tell me.
Take a picture next to him. He may be doc so i'm just saying heads up ah
well don't dump down me stop being so modest we we know you're you're like the rock just not samoan right you're the british version uh look cluster let's check with you, Pam. How are you doing today? GM, everybody. And GM to sound well.
So this is YJ from Cluster.
I'm doing pretty excited.
I'm doing pretty well.
Yes, it's the conference season.
It's, I guess, the most awaited event token 2049,
but I'm not going there.
Anyways, so yeah, to give a brief about us, what we do,
we are building a coordination
layer for AI agents, and we aim to build the intelligence coordinated, co-owned, and trustless,
keeping it charred and crisp.
And I'm super excited for this space.
The topic is, are AI agents and crypto rewards?
The end of big tech stream.
That's an interesting topic.
Let's dive deep into it.
Sorry, the mute button was not cooperating with me.
I couldn't agree more.
And we're excited to have you here.
And speaking of, thank you guys for making time
out of your day to be here today.
It does not go unappreciated.
And to everyone else, whoever's listening,
please give them all a follow.
Again, we organize
these weeks in advance to get people
in on these discussions
and so on and so forth.
It would be much appreciated.
With that being said,
I do want to get
into the topic at hand.
We got AI agents being the huge,
I mean, I'm pretty sure we've heard a lot more talk about it,
but not in the same way that we had heard them
about a year and a half, two years ago, right?
Mostly with artists and how it was done, right?
Mid-journey, came onto the scene,
a lot of artists wasn't happy about that.
And then it quickly pivoted to, you know,
ChatGBT and what that means for other,
other, maybe other professions
would be the right word, right?
And now we've entered into a discussion of AGI, right?
Which is essentially just AI that's capable
of thinking like a human.
I say, basically, you know,
they're meant to replace us at the race.
I say that jokingly.
Kind of.
Not really.
My Instagram reel has really been curating my paranoia.
I'm not going to lie to you guys,
but, you know, it's rough out there.
It's rough out there, fam.
I watched a reel that went two minutes
and the dude was being all like super secret like he's like we can't talk about this i'm
whistleblowing it if i'm dead in a year this is why and i'm like jesus i you know i i could i
couldn't tell if i got engagement farm being serious i'm i'm like 45 sure i got engagement farm you know uh which is a higher number than
i like to admit but it does beg the question a little bit uh because even even elon musk which
you know despite the recent events let's you know let's put that aside even he has said that he has
felt like agi will be almost truly, I don't want to say
mastered, but just more so
towards this almost final iteration
towards the end of 2025,
which is literally not that far
away because that is clearly this year.
And it does beg the question of what does that
mean? And more so,
what does that mean for tech or big
tech as a whole?
The question almost comes down to, well, whoever comes up with the best AGI is going to end up having all the power and so on and so forth.
And so that's what's going to bring us this discussion today and kind of talk a little bit about how and why it challenges big tech fundamentals a little bit and so um i'm just
gonna kick us off with this question here i want to throw it off to drew um how do we think that
ai agents fundamentally challenge the traditional big tech business models joe what are you thinking
yeah yeah yeah so uh man i think it's it think it's going to be a challenge way around about that. But I do think that there are some ways that the AI agents can kind of help us. Main things being one, decentralization. That's probably going to be the biggest thing. I think if we can create it to where, hey, everybody doesn't have to go through, you know,
big tech to, you know, do everything that's going to be
big. So decentralization is the one I think, you know, privacy,
brave obviously is big on privacy. And if we can have
enhanced, you know, privacy and security, data security, things like that, that agents can protect us from. how some of that stuff will be big and help alleviate some of the necessity
for big tech to control everything and gatekeep everything.
So I think a big thing is decentralization
and then others privacy and user experience,
things of those nature that are gonna help.
I think that's gonna be the main
things in my my I guess coming from my end yeah it's it's really interesting because I I mean
the data and the security is is a really big part of it especially when you think about the
the use case that it has it's very customizable customizable. It's very unique. It's very
open-ended to what you need it for.
Right? And
it's actually
like, I know we talk about
decentralization a lot in general and
like, oh, do people really
care about it? And
it often feels like
people don't actually
care about decentralization per se they just care about a
smooth interface so they're like decentralized centralized i don't care but if you can make the
experience smooth that's what ends up and and it often feels like that's what that discussion
normally ends up being and you know we wrap it with a bow tie.
We call it a day, right?
We'll probably open it up again, you know, in a couple months when we start to challenge the concept again.
But to bring it back to this point, decentralization makes perfect sense for any, like, AI agents, right?
It's literally yours.
No one else can do anything with it no there's no
data collection there it makes all the perfect sense right um so i don't know in and like drew
said in in the beginning is that there are still challenges with it that we haven't yet seen that
we will probably end up figuring out how to overcome or we'll just get universal uh based income and we all get to go fuck off for
for futures uh yeah i might be down for that actually you know as long as it's enough for me
to have everything i want that universal income but no i think you're right like i mean i think
the main obviously you have your cohort of people that are way big into privacy and security and
that kind of stuff but most
normal people yeah that's why google is you know who they are because people don't care
like oh it's free it works nice all right great um so definitely have to get to get it to a point
where it's like an added you know benefit is you know hey it's just as good but you're also
decentralized and not relying on big tech, then I think that's where
it gets good.
Yeah.
I think ultimately it'll just come down to
is it going to be like the internet where it's
a little bit more federally funded, right?
And now the internet
is available for all of us to use, or
if it's going to be privatized right off the bat
and it's going to be a
different way for it to be uh utilized or pushed out but i digress i want to keep throwing it around
the panel uh flagship i'd love to throw it over to you get your thoughts again you don't have to
i'm not i'm not going to do this the whole space probably just going to do this for the first
question then we'll keep this moving around but i have a strong opinion on on ai agents and big
tech models i think um they are challenging big tech models already um i mean how often do we
google versus go to chat gpto perplexity right um so fundamentally, I am not looking for ads. I'm not looking for
recommendations. I'm just looking for a solution to a particular problem. And I don't care if
perplexity does it for me or Google does it for me. The interface, the experience that matters
the most. And I think over time, people will develop this habit
of using an interface that is quick, easy to learn,
without a lot of garbage ads.
And so I do believe,
like we are already challenging big tech business models,
right?
Decentralization, now that's different
because there are a lot of issues
that we still have to resolve.
The issues on scalability, the adoption, the computational costs, which are also obviously
present in centralization.
But generally, that's really my opinion.
I think we are very strongly challenging as AI agents, the big tech models.
And I think decentralization, once it resolves its own trilemma problems,
would just add fuel to fire.
Yeah, it's such a weird...
I don't want to go too much on a side tangent,
but just really quick,
social media may have bought us the information era but people really don't
realize how much more it made it made it easy for misinformation to spread right you can call it
engagement farming if you want but there are legitimately some accounts out there whose job
is basically just to spread like misinformation
just for the uh cause of chaos and destruction and distraction um and i i'm not i'm not like
going conspiracy on this i'm just more so saying that in a way of there's so much information
being streamlined to the point where it's so overwhelming like like yeah ai asian that that's that's huge
right it makes you wonder too how long has that been going on too
yeah like social media is only 25 years old man like you know like the internet might be slightly
older but like social media really came about like almost right after and like that that just
changes that changes a lot more than people realize we just the information we get every
single day any on any regular app that we open is insane so like we're we obviously need ai to
work through all that and filter through that and and that. But like, there is a true danger to, you know, accurate information.
There's a true danger to, you know, understanding facts versus opinions
and the fear mongering or, and, or the toxic positivity of, you know,
I mean, how many fucking gurus are we seeing now on, I can't stand it.
If I see one more,
oh, I wake up at 4 a.m.
and I take my 5 a.m.
dump, and then I write in my
journal for two hours
and I meditate for another 10 hours
and then I get my day started.
I'm just like,
I'm blocking you.
Get away from me right now.
You know but like
Every other post is a freaking thread
On some you know
How to lift weights how to
Do this how to freaking
Rub one out it's like
Everything do I need a thread on
Everything and like how many
Of these are even real like come on
Yeah man
Exactly so I promise i have i
have a way to tie this back but first batter and i want to throw it over to you because i i know i
know you're itching to say something what do you got i was gonna say people have been being programmed
ever ever since the printing press was made if that was where you control your thoughts each
successive bit of technology allows you to program people in a different way.
You know, like we're at the point where people just have buds in their ears being told what to do.
And they can mimic the faces of the TikToks that are coming out to them every 10 minutes.
Like the algorithm is telling people how to move now, not just how to think.
Yeah. And I think Jack Dorsey.
Oh, man. Can we please get jack dorsey back i've never wanted
a social media platform to be handed back to his previous owner so badly like myspace we were all
okay with tom leaving like nothing wrong with tom we just wanted him to respectfully exit
and have his happy ending right but like give give give twitter back you just give it back
uh but no batter go ahead you shot your hand back i was gonna yeah no it's like if you're seeing
that kind of content it means you want to see it you have to actively tell it to go away and then
it stops like i was seeing like stuff i did not want to see and then i actively started saying no
and now now it's great i I just see weird conspiracy stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
And I will be honest.
I will be honest.
I, my toxic trait is not so much as watching something
that I don't really want to watch.
It's seeing something that I'm like,
this is so cringe and so bad.
I need to read the comments.
And I go and read the comments.
And that's how the algorithm that I like the video, even though I only like the comments.
You know?
So anyway, anyway, Drew, I know you guys have to say something.
Well, I'll say one more thing.
I do like Instagram has an option where you can literally reset your algorithm and start all over again.
I think that's cool.
Twitter should have that.
But Drew, go ahead.
What do you got?
Oh, I was just going to clear one thing up that, you know, since Batterin said that,
you know, we just see things that we want to see that I didn't actually see a thread
on, you know, how to rub one out.
I think that was just, you know, throwing something out there that came to mind.
So I just want to clear that up.
Thanks.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. there that came to mind um so just want to clear that up thanks yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh here's here are five tips on how to burn all the body fat uh that that no one asked for but look look look
um i and i and i say all this to say that this is proves how quickly people will turn to ai
this just proves how quickly people will turn to AI
to literally help them short through so many different things, right?
Because it's not, especially with AGI,
they can create, you know, other AIs that are the AIs that we know,
right, which is like ChatGPT and so on and so forth, right?
They can create those.
So this is something that most of us haven't really experienced
at the end of the day.
And so I think that's the real danger to it.
And it's something to understand.
A really big thing that ties into this
and the reason why we end up going on that social media tangent
is that the data, the data privacy,
and controlling that is very much out of our control.
And if it's not out of our control, people just don't care or know enough that they should be able to take back control of their data.
Which is why decentralization is popular for the people that are here.
We understand and we want to fix that.
But the harsh reality is
the rest of the world right now
is still very confused by decentralization.
And that's why that discussion
goes back to, it needs to be
a smooth interface and you
need to not rely on the cell
that is decentralization
at the end of the day.
Blackjack, go ahead. What do you got?
I think we should never think about the technical architecture
when we talk about services, right?
I mean, in centralization, nobody says AWS and Facebook
or Microsoft Azure cloud services
and I don't know, Netflix, right?
Because we don't care, people generally don't care
what is happening behind the scenes.
That is backend, that's not sexy.
I think if you wanna sell decentralization, right?
We need to move away from tech to benefits,
to the results of the benefits as well
and that's a mindset switch most of us here and are innovators and founders and i think
the tech excites us but over time um if you want to really make decentralization or DeFi or whatever else mainstream,
we would have to talk about the benefits, the results, the magic,
rather than just the infrastructure.
So it goes beyond experience, right?
It's not user experience or interface design.
It's really the, I would call it a sales pitch
that has to change.
Yeah.
It's
tough because
just going to the nuances
alone is hard to explain
the danger.
Take Global Warming, for example.
So complicated to explain
everyone's calling it fake.
Like, what? I'm pretty sure. global warming for example so complicated to explain everyone's calling it fake like what
i'm pretty sure i don't know the rest of you notice i'm pretty sure in general it's just getting hotter just period and i'm pretty sure the earth is not flat at the same time
no shame to flat earthers i just i just haven't i just haven't seen any any any real evidence uh but but i don't want to get
off topic again i sound like i'm a conspiracy nut and i hate it uh instagram has ruined me
uh cluster i'd love to throw this question over to you as well and get your thoughts and the
question was how do you think ai agents has fundamentally challenged the traditional big tech business model?
I do appreciate your efforts, Senza, of repeating the question.
But yeah, as most of the panel has talked about stuff, so I think they are pretty much correct.
Also, this brings us, this revolves to a certain point where you need to understand that,
okay, what are these agents?
These are like automations with mind.
The automations has been happening around in the technological
and the technological advancements in the automation
advancements in the automation has been happening around 10 pages right when you see a fancy ai
has been happening around since ages.
agent that uh books a ticket over trip.com for you you get amazed right the same thing could
have been replicated utilizing selenium uh over uh by by by like running it over on Python. The problem, or you could say the betterment that AI agents are making sure
is that now they're having mind as well.
So Selenium would not have, or it would have explored that way,
or let's say, for example, what Selenium would not be able to do
is a possibility now that a Vision AI agent would explore and get that done.
So that's the difference when you say that, okay, big techs are packaging things for you and making things easy for you and bringing convenience onto your table.
These AI agents are similarly on a similar way can do the same thing
and when they do the things their heart or their powerhouse that is the agent or that that is the
model if it's hosted locally on your systems or maybe if it's not local on your systems or let's say if it's encrypted, utilizing any of the security measures over blockchain or via any other means, then your data is safe.
I guess that's the whole and sole purpose of these AI agents.
And coming to the crypto rewards, as you say, right.
and coming to the crypto rewards as you say right uh in the crypto space as you already know right
uh like let's say if in case i i uh bring or let's say i'm perplexity right which is which is a
an agent kind of a thing uh over chat gpt or maybe you could say uh now in in recent news, they're also releasing a browser. So let's say we introduce the crypto rewards into that browser that is being generated,
that is being produced by perplexity, similar to what Brave does.
It's just a method of incentivizing the users and capturing new users on the table so that
new users on the table so that they get addicted to the feature and the
they get addicted to the feature.
convenience that you provide is more than that it becomes a utility for them
and then there's no going back for them it's a similar way of saying that by
that GPT still has a free tier where people can experience what they haven't experienced before, and
then they can go for a premium purchase of $20 a month.
Do you want to know something absolutely horrifying that I discovered last night?
Facebook now has an AI built into the messenger.
Well, how drunk were you when you discovered this?
That's what I want to know first.
I'm pretty drunk.
But yeah, if we're talking about accessibility to regular people,
having an AI model into Facebook Messenger is really for everyone at this point.
People are less inclined to install a separate app
than they are to be like,
oh, what's this?
I'm speaking to my nan and here it is.
Wait, hold on, hold on.
Let's also talk about,
because I don't know how many people have also
dealt with Facebook Marketplace pre-AI.
If you've ever dealt with selling anything on Facebook Marketplace, then youAI, pre-AI. If you've ever dealt with selling anything
on Facebook Marketplace,
then you understand that when people DM you,
asking you if it's available,
you could answer back within five seconds
and somehow, some way, that person misses it
and never answers back again.
So I love the fact that they added an AI option.
And by the way, before AI,
they still added like three options for you to pick as an answer.
If you didn't want to type, which is insane work.
I could totally see a brain chip being advertised to say,
this is so you don't have to think.
And as you think, you can just, it types for you.
So that's crazy work.
I just want to know what you're selling on Facebook Marketplace.
Ashley, you would be surprised.
A lot of fitness enthusiasts are on there looking for cheap deals on gym equipment.
And I've had to get some gym equipment out of my garage
to make room for the other cool
stuff I want to do.
It's actually pretty good. I'm not
going to lie.
Unless it's super big like this very dumb
giant cell that no one can fit into
their house. But anyway, look,
I want to keep this moving
because we have 20 minutes left.
We only did the first question, which shows how big that side tangent was.
But I want to ask this.
Do we think that users are even ready to shift the trust from tech giants?
I mean, granted, I doubt people have loyalty as opposed to more convenience, right?
It's use everywhere.
It's convenient.
But regardless, it's trust.
There's trust involved in some capacity.
So are users ready to shift trust
from the tech giant to autonomous AI-driven services?
Pattern, I want to throw this over to you.
What do you think?
Pattern.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I think users are more ready than ever. Honestly,
people are tired of being just a number in someone else's algorithm. The appetite for
control and privacy is there. We've seen how fast decentralized tools have been growing.
The real barrier isn't willingness. It's that the experience still needs to feel easy and familiar.
If the agents are clunky and confusing, people bounce right back to big tech.
But if we get it right, if the tool feels seamless,
I think the shift away from traditional platforms
is going to move fast as anyone expects.
For example, whenever I'm interacting with a chat bot,
the first thing I do is say,
human, let me talk to the human.
But if they reach the point where it's actually functional
then i don't care if it's a human or not i especially don't care if it's a human if i
have to wait 20 minutes to be dealt with i'd rather you know just have my problem solved
immediately as the previous gentleman solved that that's what people want they want the problem they
have done hey i actually and on that note on that note what we're talking about while we're talking
about this and especially regarding the big tech it's a quick follow-up question do you think
crypto incentives could break that like could break the big tech control over the user intention
and data do you think it's enough because to me it kind of feels like it's too small of a crowd
that it may not work or people
may not understand like i just kind of want to get your thoughts on that man i'm really glad you asked
me because that is my jam absolutely and i think we're already bloody seeing it happening look at
bats looking brave we prove that when you actually pay users for their attention you change the whole
relationship between the platform and the people using it crypto flips the model instead of users being the product they become active
participants when you start rewarding people properly the idea of giving your data away for
free feels starts to feel like crazy you know why get have someone else get paid for you to get
advertised so it's stupid incentives matter and crypto finally give us a way to align
them in a way big tech never could nor would they want to because then they'd have to i don't know
do something serious yeah no and that's a great point that's a great point i you know i think uh
you know i i i use this example a lot but it's only because my wife does it every single time
we go grocery shopping she will literally scan these grocery receipts.
And she's like, I got these points.
I could get these gift cards.
I could get all that, you know?
And I can't help but think of like, you know, and we're talking like, you know, point.
But like, I'm like, well, what's the ratio?
Like how, how much is a hundred points?
You know?
And it's like, you do the know and it's like you do the
math and it's like one dollar or it's like 10 cents or something and i'm just sitting there like
man we are so spoiled in web 3. what what you really need to do now is before everyone else
does this is get her on the chat gpt generating receipts game and just rinse them before everyone
else does the tragedy of the commons occurs oh my god is that a thing uh
i think maybe it won't work because it needs maybe it needs the barcode but i know some people
are definitely rinsing returns and stuff with that i mean and tax
tax actually this is more relevant to you people are using it for their tax returns to generate
receipts to say that they've done stuff that they haven't done to get kind of as a business expense
and keep them keep the change i am all for i am all for ai helping me get around the TurboTax lobbying bullshit.
100,000%.
Oh, my.
You know, the crazy part is, the IRS already knows what I owe.
But for some reason, they can't tell me because Mr. TurboTax is like,
no, you need to use us.
And then we use them, and they suck. And they're like, well,
we think you owe this. And I'm like, I know you're playing with me right now. I know you're playing
with me. You need to tell me what I owe right now. You know, uh, meanwhile, every other, and most
countries in the world are like, yeah, our government just sends us an invoice and we just
pay it and we're good.
And I'm just like, why can't I have that life?
Why can't I just have that?
So, yeah, thanks, TurboTax.
Yeah, thanks.
Nah.
Look, look, I want to keep this moving as well.
And kind of, again, bringing this back a little bit to the incentive side of things.
Do we think that, you know, again, we've seen it with Brave,
and so do we think that it's enough to overcome the user
convenience that's offered
by Big Tech? Drew,
I'd love to throw this over to you.
Man, I think...
Yeah, I think that
if you go back to your old
algebra graphs and stuff, or, you know, if you didn't take algebra, your old FAFO graph where there's a y-axis and an x-axis, and there's lines that go along each one.
And eventually those lines cross, right?
And that's where I think, you know, you have some kind of graph for these things.
And if the incentives are enough, then yeah, sure, it could.
But I think there would have to be a lot of incentives.
I like how Flagship mentioned earlier how the user interface,
fees of use, and those kind of things,
everything else on the back end is is where where it's at and i think um you're gonna have a hard time getting people to switch
things if it's harder to use uh no matter i mean not no matter how much you're paying them but it
would have to be a significant amount which you're not going to be able to afford and so you're
probably gonna go under anyways if you're paying everybody to use your product and you're not going to be able to afford. And so you probably got to go under anyway. So you're paying everybody to use your product and you're trying to make money.
So I think it's very difficult to overcome that ease of use and simplicity that big tech kind of has.
But I think if we can kind of get on par to that, you know, like better and said,
hey, if I use an AI agent that solves my pro or ai
that solves my problem when i need help at customer service and they can do it better and
faster than a person then i'm all for i don't care um and that's kind of the same idea you know if
it's better or just as good and i get decentralized and i get rewards for it then that's a win i think i think we have to get to that point
before we can overcome big tech or other other services yeah i love that i love that and i think
um i don't know i think i think it'll become more obvious right i think it's always and there's
always something that comes along with it in some way that we we don't realize until it happens
something that comes along with it in some way that we don't realize until it happens so i'm
interested in seeing how it ends up you know occurring and what kind of like because there's
always someone right like like batter just said it i can't wait to rinse them with chat gpt to
generate a barcode and a receipt and i get free points off without doing anything right obviously
paying this description per month but besides that
i mean you know um there's gonna be ways to put companies out of business that didn't think about
this shit in advance in some ways shape and form um you know so i it's it's interesting and you
know it's something that i don't know there's gonna I mean, I know it's a little cliche, but I think people have mentioned like, you know, what's the thought that I'm thinking of?
People have mentioned like there will be one man or, you know, one person, billion dollar companies just through the power of AI.
And that's a little scary when you think about it, right?
There's no, you know, there's no one to be responsible for.
There's no possible sex imbalances being held for that so-called person, right?
It could also be really good.
We don't know, right?
We haven't seen enough of it to rise up in a larger capacity, right?
If that one person is me, then it's good.
If it's not me, then that's so much.
Yeah, no, if the one person isn't me, then, you know, it's very terrible for the rest
of the world. I agree. I agree. You know, I'm always
willing to share my wealth. I'll give away Pudgy Penguin every day for at least
five years,
as long as I become that one billionaire.
But look, look, and Uzuki, obviously, you know,
that would be lost upon me if I also didn't do that.
But I want to also bring this question to the table.
it's our last couple questions as well and it's our last 10 minutes uh as well um how
It's our last couple of questions as well. And it's our last 10 minutes as well.
soon do you guys think we could realistically see ai agents and also since we just talked about it
those crypto incentives to kind of take over and disrupt the dominance that big tech has bought to the world uh so drew
i want to get your thoughts what are you thinking man i was busy trying to post that
that thing for the end of the uh show uh so how soon do we, I think, you know,
I think it could be actually pretty soon. I think,
although as far as disrupting big tech, yeah,
that's good. Might take some time.
But I think we'll see a whole lot more and we already see AI like
Patterson saying it's in the freaking Facebook chat. It's everywhere,
saying it's in the freaking facebook chat it's everywhere everywhere you go they're like oh use
everywhere you go. They're like, Oh, use our AI.
rai i think and um so i think um you know it's going to be a race because big tech's going to
be pushing um on their end and then um for the smaller guys it's kind of hard to keep up when
they have unlimited resources so uh as far as actually disrupting the big tech side of it
i you know i think in the next you know four or five years, you could see that.
I don't know. These are all just me just off the top of my head kind of thinking about it.
But it could be, you know, I think, yeah, I don't know.
I think it really just depends on how, especially on the crypto and blockchain side of things and how how the how the adoption goes with
that in the main mainstream uh if that kind of you know starts getting more use then i think
then we have a better chance of kind of disrupting that a little earlier but that's just my thoughts
on the subject all right so drew said tomorrow uh is what I'm hearing. So everyone, just spend all your money.
Universal-based income coming next week
because governments are going to be like,
well, we don't need to do anything anymore.
Good luck, good luck.
But no, look, I'd love to throw this one around real quick.
Flagship cluster, I'd love to throw it to you guys.
Get your thoughts.
What are you thinking? Flagship, let, get your thoughts. What are you thinking?
Flagship, let's start with you.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's very difficult to sort of predict when that could happen,
but there are some major roadblocks to it, right?
So there are users, businesses, like large businesses,
where we have a lot of money, a lot of influence that are
completely dependent on big tech, right? So infrastructure-wise, services-wise, you name it.
So that's not happening anytime soon that those big businesses invest time, money, you know,
consultant fees and be like, hey, let's move away from all of this and to a decentralized solution i think
that's not happening anytime soon there is also a regulatory influence so for example in in europe
it's not easy for especially in germany where i live for small players to make big influence
because a lot of regulations laws are so lobbied in in favor of big tech or automobile industry or big names right
and these things they they take as much time as uh the government's change uh in in in such
countries so i i think it is not easy to sort of suggest, but there are signs, right?
There are users that are adopting decentralized applications like Brave is a great example
that brings in users for browser usage, but then they learn about bat and all the cool stuff around blocking ads.
So just to keep it short,
it's not happening anytime soon.
And I think the best solution for everyone,
I mean, at least my opinion is to find a middle ground,
sort of don't push big tech,
rather pull big tech towards decentralization.
I think that would work really well.
And that also applies with ai agents or any any new narrative that would come in
that's well said i i think i think it's also um you know i don't know so so what are you what are
you thinking next week uh next month no i'm just kidding i think yeah well because those are
people are gonna be like oh
so i should be worried about it like next year and it's like no you should probably you know
start positioning yourself properly right in a good way hopefully um like like literally just
learning prompts you know or literally just learning um well i don't know prompts is the
way to say but just or even just learning how AI works,
period, right? Because I feel like a lot of people
are seriously uneducated
on it as well, which leads to, I mean,
look, it's natural selection
versus the curious, right?
And people who are willing to adapt
versus the ones who aren't.
And so, you know, I'm willing to bet
that most of the people here
right now, even on this base, the Web3 are the ones that are going to be much more able and willing to adapt accordingly.
Right. It's just the fact that we're talking about it.
I'm also willing to bet I could bring up the same conversation with anyone that like is in my family or my friends, my close ones and all that.
family or my friends, my close
ones and all that.
It's sort of like,
you know, they'd be like, yeah,
sure, I guess I'm curious about it.
And I'm like, oh, no, you're not
getting it damn quick enough, you poor
soul.
You know, and then I just have another drink and we all move on
pretend like it never happened.
I'm just kidding. I'm not
that crazy. Cluster,
I'd love to throw it over to you
and get your thoughts. What do you got? What are you thinking?
I guess
got a real
good point in terms of
legality and stuff,
but I would say
like,
you say that, okay, Google also launched
its A2A protocol,
which is kind of an agent marketplace where, like, with the ease
and with the, you could say, in the ecosystem of Google,
you can have these agents execute it and run commands, right?
When things will thrive, I think these big techs would also adopt them off.
There are many public frameworks, be it Langchain, others which are completely,
you would say, web2 in nature, and I guess they are doing really well.
But not to forget, we are also coping up with that.
And yes, it's a matter of time, or you could say maybe a decade or something that we might
see that people would be caring more about their data and people would really understand how an ai works and how big
the risk of their data is instead of what earlier used to happen on social media apps and giving
your data to these big techs be it google microsoft and anything else so they'll soon realize
the importance of their data being given to OpenAI.
And there have been several cases where OpenAI seems to be notorious in nature.
And same goes for every other centralized big tag, or you could say, the AI segment player. The recent Ghibli case also proved that
fun AI has been notorious
there with it. It mentioned that
the data or the images that we have
created to the model would be utilized
by them for improving their vision model.
Whereas when they were on data, they clearly had in their privacy policy that they are
not storing any of the data that is being scattered over to the interface.
So yeah, there are many other cases as well.
So to keep it short and crisp,
I guess the future lies in collaboration
where decentralization can meet
and solve the basic security problem
in these agent executions and workflows. i guess that's a way of to get
things uh adapted to the market i love that man and i and i actually want to take this to the idea
of that this is something that again is constantly is constantly evolving, constantly changing.
It's dynamic.
And we don't truly know what the final iteration of it looks like.
I've kind of accepted as well that it's sort of...
This is like... What's the word?
This is like people who are used to calculus talking about calculus
while most are still learning basic
algebra you know does that make sense it feels like that and it feels like it could land it's
on a wheel and it could land at any one of the given things ever right uh the basic math the
the extreme hard calculus and everything in between and so you know it's
it's one of these things where but one thing that everyone can agree on is smooth experience
smooth interface smooth whatever right uh nothing that makes people think too hard
right and you know again just like the reddit experience for when you could mint your avatar
all those years ago uh was was a pretty relatively smooth experience.
It had a decentralization in it, and that was it, right?
And so, I digress.
I do want to get to closing thoughts.
I'm going to throw it over to my man Drew, and then I'm going to start playing us out as well.
Drew, what do you got, my man?
Hey, hey, thanks, Sandra.
As always, appreciate you and uh hosting and
uh muttering the the space for us appreciate cluster protocol and flagship uh being on here
with this and matter and of course um and thanks to the basic attention token of brave folks that
make this all possible um threw in a couple of posts up top.
One is kind of what we've been working on lately is the Brave Rewards 3.0, which is
an offer wall thing where, so, you know, users can earn back and get offers from various
partners.
And so we're building that out as we're going.
And that's new. so look for more coming on
that soon and uh of course you know always use brave you know stick it to the man's group big
tech and uh use brave respect yourself your privacy and your data and uh check out flagship
check out cluster and we'll see you guys next week appreciate you sounds up take care much love y'all let's play it out oh god oh god ah okay bring them out bring them out bring them
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