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Are Aliens Demons? UFOs Are Real? 👽 The Aggregated Ep. 156
Recorded: April 3, 2026 Duration: 2:50:06Space Recording
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The End Thank you. . Thank you. PIANO PLAYS . Thank you. Thank you. . Thank you. . Thank you. The End Thank you. Music Thank you. . GM GM everybody we're just waiting for a couple more guests
kick things off here.
Just checking in.
Or maybe we should.
Hey, guy.
I can hear your voice.
Mic check, everyone.
Let's make sure we're not having technical issues like last week.
Test, test, test, test, test, test, test.
Beautiful, beautiful.
All right.
Looks like people are just trickling in.
Let's go ahead and kick it off.
That's okay with you, Darren.
Or should we wait a little longer?
Yeah, go ahead.
Awesome.
All right.
So this is episode 156,
Are Aliens Demons?
UFOs are real?
Yeah, aggregated.
So this is going to be an interesting conversation today.
I know,
Rock,
so, Rock, you don't believe in aliens?
Yes or no?
Let's not answer that.
Let's see
how this show goes.
Okay. So I think I i do i don't think they're how
people believe they are but i do and i think you're more skeptical um but so we're gonna
definitely learn a lot today we have um some amazing uh guests coming and that are here so
let's go ahead and jump in i'm going to go ahead and go around
the room and just start introducing everyone if you could just take 30 seconds to just explain
what you're working on or what you're doing in the space that would be great i'll go ahead and
pass the mic on over to nerd girl to start hey gm gm or or, or GE, or GN.
So I'm Nerd Girl, Nicole, or Nerd Girl 007 with no vowels, if you want to call me that.
And let's see, I'm a producer at Crypto.
I've been around since the Ethereum DAO hack, um i like fringe topics especially it's why i got into crypto
and uh that's why i like things like aliens so um yeah you know i'm here for the here for
the conversation and uh let's let's get into it sounds beautiful and congratulations i heard some good news in the back room chat oh yeah i got i don't know if you can comment on that no i got promoted at my other
job um yesterday just totally did not know what was going to happen it was just like hey i need
you to step up and take this new responsibility and I'm going to increase your pay and this is what you're going to do. And I was like, great. I needed that to happen.
So that was great. So yeah, I mean, I'm a, I'm a producer at Paul Barron Network. Um, and yeah,
it was just, you know, it's more like I've been promoted, I think three times I've worked there
almost a year coming up on a year here in a couple months.
And I think I've been promoted three times. Um, every time I've, I've not known that it was
coming. So it's, it's, it's been great. That's awesome. Love to hear that. So happy Friday.
Yeah. Um, I'll go ahead and pass the mic on over to guy, longtime friend. What's up brother?
GM, man, it's great to connect with all of y longtime friend. What's up, brother? GM, man.
It's great to connect with all of y'all.
Rock, nerd girl, Jack.
I don't think we've connected.
Folks that know me from elsewhere, these are my former employers.
They got me out of restaurant work.
Rock recruited me to go marketing for good crypto projects, usually utility coins. And they did not know
the UFO side of me very much, but I've only been LARPing as a crypto guy, my friends.
I moved from Nashville, Tennessee, where I was raised, to Roswell, New Mexico, because
I had a lot of weird childhood experiences that I grew up and
found out people called it aliens. And I learned how to stop it. And after a cult suicide, I wrote
a webpage and outed myself as an abductee to the world. Moved to Roswell, New Mexico to tell people
it's not really aliens. I'll cut off for now and we'll blend in later. And thank you, Nerd Girl, for trusting
me with Joseph here. We have been doing this for almost 30 years, at least 25 together
though. He can bring the fire. Formerly of NASA, now with Blue Origin, mutual UFO network
researcher for 30 years.
Let's get weird. Big gun. Let's get weird years. Let's get weird.
Let's get weird today.
Let's get weird.
Yeah.
Oh, this is getting exciting.
All right, guys.
Great to have you here and hear your voice again.
It's been a bit.
I'll go ahead and pass the mic on over to your friend Joseph here.
Love to learn more about you as well.
Yeah, thanks for coming on, guys.
By profession, I'm a safety professional working for the space program, American Space Program.
I work for a private industry rocket launcher, Blue Origin, which is Jeff Bezos' project.
And I've been with them about four years now.
Prior to that, I was a safety professional for contracting with the military over in South Korea.
Spent 11 years there.
And prior to that, I was at the Kennedy Space Center.
Again, that was the first time working during the shuttle program. And I was a safety Kennedy Space Center again. That was the first time working during the shuttle program,
and I was a safety professional then, too.
So I've had an opportunity to see some really nice stuff in aerospace.
That happens to be my dream,
is being able to work around the rockets and, you know,
it's just a fascinating, you know, part of science
that you get to see and experience.
I started back in 1992 as a UFO researcher investigator. First started with the Mutual
UFO Network. I've been with them since then, so I'm what they call a life member. I'm locked in for as long as I'm alive with them.
I've had the opportunity to be state section director for them here in Brevard County, Florida.
Winter's located for a while. And then while I was in Korea, I was a national director for South Korea for MUFON while I was over there.
And together, Guy and I have been sharing some information
that I like to call the unwanted piece of a UFO puzzle.
The information's been all along,
but nobody wants to hear it and nobody wants it shared.
And that's something that we've dealt with
for more than two decades now.
Beautiful.
Pretty cool history there, Joseph,
and very interesting as well.
Can't wait to pick your brain here.
I'm going to go ahead and pass the mic on over to Jack real quick,
and then we'll start jumping into the meat of the conversation.
Good to see you here, Jack.
Hi, everybody. So my name is Jack. I work with RockinazSec and Nicole over at Lunar Digital
Assets. I'm chief launch officer there, which essentially means I'm responsible for new product
launches and new platform launches. My interest and experience with this topic is one that goes
back a long way. I've always been very, very
interested in this topic and I've researched it avidly for a number of years. Around the
time when my interest really peaked in this topic, I had a strange experience with a...
It's going to sound crazy, but basically I awoke in the middle of the night to basically a phosphorescent blue orb in the bedroom,
about two foot wide, hovering about four foot in the air,
just off the edge of the bed.
Very, very strange experience and had a kind of thought come to mind whilst that was happening,
which then later seemed to be relevant in the conversation about UFOs.
And so I found it quite interesting, which is the thought that I had kind of forced into my head almost
was the more you become aware of the phenomenon, the more the phenomenon becomes aware of you.
And so that was a weird thing that happened um otherwise like totally rational normal sane uh no substance abuse problems no mental health problems nothing along those lines this is the
weirdest i get so it was very it was a very interesting episode of my life and uh
happy to get into more detail about that later very interesting uh i'd love to learn a little bit more about that i i've i've also had a lot
of interesting things happen in just like unexplained i would say more unexplainable uh things happen especially when i was a child and uh i remember way back in
the day uh listening to blink 182 and hearing tom de long talk about aliens and he was like i think
the probably one of the first people that kind of cued me in to aliens and I started down the rabbit hole.
But since then, you know, there's been this kind of, it's been like a hush-hush type topic.
However, more recently, we've had governments around the world discussing the topic.
We've had U.S. government officials giving opinions on the topic.
And it's becoming more mainstream where there's podcasts and it's not so much like fringe, in my opinion uh so i'd love to dive into this i
don't know if we can really come to consensus on this question and i have for everyone to start
off with but uh what are aliens it's kind of open-ended i'm interested to hear what you guys
all think um i've heard at this point in my, I've heard many different ideas on the subject.
So I'll just leave it open.
Did you say my name?
Did you guys say my name or were you calling someone else up still?
So on the aggregated, just for everyone here, you can jump in.
Anyone can jump in.
It's like a bunch of friends around a big table.
We're just talking about it.
Wait, are we still doing intros, though?
That's what I thought.
I thought you said, guy, what are aliens?
I need to mute for a second.
Keep introducing people.
Everyone's introduced, at least on my screen.
Did I get a new one?
I want to know, though.
Let's get weird. One of the listeners
that sat in the storm is also
me. It's one of my alts.
Everything I know about crypto, I learned
from you guys.
It's the one
with the honey badger. It's her pet now.
Her familiar. By the way, guys, it's good to see you.
In a sentence,
aliens are
exactly what we used to call
fairies and elves.
Guys, can you hear
rock?
Spirit beings that change
their appearance to suit the culture
is what Jean-Flau
can you shout out to the guy?
Guy, can you hear me?
And he was the model for Steven Spielberg's, uh, Dr. Kong.
I'll wait till he finishes up.
And then I will drop him down to the third kind.
Joe, you want to drop anything real quick?
Joe, the problem here is we're all going to have our opinions.
So the problem here is we're all going to have our opinions.
I have experiences that after I became a Christian, when I had childhood experiences of being, it's graphic, it's in my book online.
Beings with big eyes poking me, there was sexual stuff involved, not backside or anything like that.
Could have been just a, anyway, molestation. Very important to clarify, sexual but not backside or anything like that. Um, could have been just a, anyway,
molestation. Very important to clarify, sexual, but not backside. Victims of normal babysitter
abuse or something like that. And then they have all these screen memories. Uh, but, um,
okay. I dropped them to the speaker. Yeah. Get back up. But it was very important you got to clarify if you're ever molested
i shouldn't make this joke you got to clarify front side not backs
man we're starting off pot hey hey uh so we're we're just dropping uh
we're just dropping thanks tre, for the laughing emojis.
I got no laughs on that one, and I thought it was hysterical.
Well, I mean, I think the issue is if you don't clarify, then it's a sin.
Yeah, yeah.
When I tell people I was impaled...
When I tell people I was impaled by a rebar
in my backside
they of course assume it was
in my butt and
it was
no it was
was it intentional that's the real question
no it wasn't
in this is I don't know why I'm feeling silly this morning, I guess,
because we've got alien topic. But no, I was impaled by a rebar. It did not go
in the hole, but it was very close. Cindy jokes that afterwards, it looked like I had
two buttholes. I laugh about it now, but it was a terrible experience.
I almost died. They had to pull my
intestines out. It was
not a fun experience.
You can
laugh about it now, though, so I guess that's
a... Yeah, yeah.
Did it stop you putting
extra things up your butt, or...
That was the last time.
Okay, there we go. time okay are you back i am i felt uh joe i was queuing to speak up yeah paul apologize actually could you restart and and and i hate to do that but the thing is i
don't think there were some technical issues there i'm not sure how many
people heard you and good rehearsal yeah i'll say it a lot quicker this happens on twitter there's
usually some little bugs here and there and uh so apologies guy but yeah just to make sure everyone
heard you i think you weren't able to hear us so we just dropped you down and then brought you right back up.
But yeah, if you could start again, because it sounded interesting.
Well, just as Jack and Aztec said, I'm a childhood experience, or at least you indicated something.
I was a childhood experiencer.
I wrote as a webpage after the Heaven's Gate cult suicide in the 90s. These people hopped on a UFO hiding behind a comet and killed themselves, 39 people.
And they said the Bible told them so.
So I wrote a webpage with my response.
No, here's what the Bible says about how to enter Heaven's Gate.
Because I was a childhood experiencer.
I had the classic stuff.
And I was born in 1968. I did not learn this from television
or Steven Spielberg was not a household name when I was, these were my experiences. A lot of the
classic big eyed, bald headed or otherwise entities holding me down. One vivid dream was they were very large cats with huge eyes tearing me up,
trying to eat me. Others were involved travel, like one being on a train with a nurse with dark
eyes and a mask over her face, frontally doing something sexual to me, like face to face,
while traveling at crazy speeds on a train. So that's two of them.
I wrote that as an autobiography to introduce myself to the internet in 1997
to respond to heaven's gates, uh, tragedy, tragic suicide.
So I kind of outed myself as an alien abductee.
I'd had a couple of painful life experiences, uh,
with a friend and with a girlfriend. Okay.
You don't talk about this stuff like you guys have already indicated.
Jack said the phenomena knows you.
The more you know it, I can get into a little more about that too.
But it starts, first you have a manifestation.
One thing happens to you.
And then your response, if it becomes from manifestation to fascination,
next thing you know, you got manifestation.
Yeah, that's the pattern.
But I experienced when I became an adult in my 20s, I got saved in a black Pentecostal church that taught about demons and deliverance, actually.
And I was able to see, see oh these experiences are not really alien
and as an adult when anything paranormal started to happen to me i just learned through church
life in the name of jesus leave me alone get out so i experienced stopping alien abduction
as an adult christian using the name of jesus Christ and the power that he invested in all
his believers, blah, blah, blah. As a non-Christian, not experiencer, but as a mutual UFO network
researcher, my partner in this for about 30 years or 25 years for sure, he came at the exact same conclusion, reluctantly, he'll tell his story, as a non-Christian
UFO researcher. Is that a good intro for Joe? Slide out now.
That's it. That's perfect. Perfect. Thank you. Joe, love to hear your take here.
All right.
Back in here.
All of this for me started back in 92, a little bit before Guy.
We good?
There we go.
Joseph, go ahead and take it away.
I think you're unmuted now.
Yeah, it started back in 92 with me.
Some years.
Okay.
I'm stumbling back in 92, no one is you at all. At the best, I was a sci-fi fanatic. I was when I was younger, read lots of sci-fi books. That was something.
When I came across this one particular book on a vacation called The Airplane Flight,
but I was looking for a sci-fi book, and I picked this one.
I said, uh, I was sci-fi.
Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.
You're breaking up.
He's probably rugged and can't hear us.
Yes.
Joseph, I don't know if you can hear us but uh i hear you you're going in and your mic's going in now i'm not sure if sometimes this is just uh twitter sometimes it's just not being close
enough to the router um being in a good place where uh with good connectivity um can you try again we weren't able to hear anything
this is like in and out yeah we can try okay we'll give it a try you hear me now uh little it's a little buggy maybe we're just leaving then rejoining that
usually fixes it yeah just if you could actually just uh leave the space then come back up apologies
about this guys uh this doesn't it's not usually this ruggy on X, but I bet it's the topic.
And every once in a while when we get really juicy topics, X just decides not to let people speak.
It's the aliens.
They're interfering.
It's Elon.
He doesn't want us to talk about this, you know?
you know,
You know, like, I wouldn't put it past.
like I wouldn't put it past.
Let's see.
I think we're,
we're just dropping Joseph and then we're going to bring them right back up
here.
Well,
Hey guys,
thanks for everyone that's here on a Friday hanging out with us.
I see a lot of familiar faces,
good friends here that we've had on the show.
I don't know how long,
how long has the show been going rock at this point?
Like Jesus guys, did, at this point?
Jesus.
Guys, did we not even notice?
I just looked at the number of the show.
Is this our third... Is this three years, or will
next episode be three years?
I guess you could
say...
156 episodes.
That's
approximately three years.
We did skip
a couple of weeks at some point,
so it probably was like three weeks ago.
But yeah, this is like
times three.
Three years.
Basically.
Cheers, everyone.
Cheers.
Yeah. That had some amazing conversations
yeah
yeah
yeah much love
guy are you able to
message your friend and just let him know
he's back now
oh he is maybe I'm rug now run and just let him know. He's back now. Oh, yeah.
Well, maybe I'm right now.
Beautiful, beautiful.
I don't see him as a speaker.
I don't know.
All right, Joseph. So all you have to do is just accept the invite and then we Wow. All right, Joseph.
So all you have to do is just accept the invite,
and then we can bring you right back up.
It's always fun doing, like, fixing things, you know,
instead of doing, like, on the show, you know, we're, like, fixing it.
It's like David Serrata on that NASA launch, Joe, you remember.
He got cut off.
Was it Art Bell or something?
I have seen this on other shows as well, especially with this topic.
Joseph, all right, you're back on the show here.
So, speaker, now all you have to do is just unmute.
Hopefully, everything's resolved.
He says we're going in and out, but I'll text him again.
Right. You want to try?
Yeah, that sounded good.
Yeah, I heard that clearly.
All right, we'll see if we can keep going.
So, my research... Fading out, I think, right, guys?
Yep, that's unfortunate.
Do you know if he's on Wi-Fi or like 4G?
It might just be worth suggesting.
He does like two, three YouTubes,
podcasts and stuff a week easily.
This is, I can't believe he has time with a full-time job on top of it.
He wrote to me.
It must be the topic.
It's just X
in this topic. It's not liking it, guys.
Thanks for everyone's
patience here.
What did you say, Guy?
I was talking to him. Sorry,
my bad.
He's trying to get his connection.
Alienresistance.com is what Joe and I have coming up in the next July 2,
concurrent with the annual Roswell UFO Festival. Both Time Magazine and CBS have thrown out the number.
50,000 people have come to Roswell on its most peak successful years ever.
That was 1997 and, I believe, 2007 2007 where I was on the UFO committee.
I came here to tell them it's all demonic.
I started organizing conferences with speakers,
bigger names than the local UFO museum and such could afford to bring in.
So I got the names that I tried to pass on to Nicole,
Richard Dolan, John Greenwald, Nick Redfern have all come to Roswell two or three times.
These aren't Christians, but their research, some of them leans the same way. Joe and I can
mix with these guys. Joe researched for 30 years. Joe, feel free to try to talk again. You can interrupt me. I'm just filling space,
hoping you come back. We joined forces with a pastor also in Florida who was a Vietnam veteran
who grew up Catholic altar boy, but he got massively saved. It might have been foxhole
conversion. I forget, but Chris Ward, he would say, I used to run point in Vietnam. Now
I run point for the Lord. And he, because Leesburg was a hotspot for UFO activity at the time,
there was popular UFO conferences and he would go set up tables, do deliverance ministry is what
is what it's called. He was the internet exorcist eventually. Case Files, he had a book out. He was
it's called. He was the internet exorcist eventually. Case files. He had a book out.
our 501c3 covering, and we formed in 99alienresistance.org, where it was a 501c3 for
quite a while, and in Roswell, based on a few successful conferences that went under the banner ancientsofdays.net
should still be there no i'm sorry ancientsofdays.com that's me my my friend anyway um we finally held
a christian symposium that invited um we had four phds represented there and we gave them
pre-planned questions and answers over three three days, we presented one. Yeah, they all presented
lectures with PowerPoints and stuff. And then they were pie chart for asked, do you believe in life
in other planets? We all know God could have. Does your research show you the aliens exist?
Do you agree with the statement? True or false? Aliens are kind of demonic. So we had the first Christian symposium
on aliens where Joe gave his testimony of going from a UFO researcher who branched off into
abduction research. A case file told him that they'd stopped the experience in the name of
Jesus Christ, like literally dropped them in the air back onto their bed when he called out
to Jesus. Joe ignored that crap for a while. And I think it took him six months to even go back to
it. He tells the story better, but it started repeating. And based as a researcher on the
numbers of something that was now becoming measurable, observable, and repeatable, which
is by definition, the scientific method.
Again, I bring my experiences and some theology into the mix.
Joe brings just the facts, ma'am, research.
He's trained as a Mutual UFO Network researcher.
And the numbers were showing him, science said,
Jesus Christ was stopping alien abductions in progress.
And then he began counseling people, and his his website stopalienabduction.com originally ce4research.com
they both go to the same place anybody feel free to interrupt me I'm just still
filling in space yeah guy I got a question for you while we're waiting
for others to join and looks like looks like joseph's trying to
fix his internet situation um but you know you're deep into the you know the ufo scene you've been
you know part of many conversations i think like you know you've already explained you've written
about these experiences you're a researcher you have a lot of friends and researchers. Like, it seems that
there's, uh, the way I split it is like a spiritual element to, to UFOs. And then on the other side,
there's a more of like a scientific movement.
Do you guys mesh together?
Do you guys have things that you agree upon?
Or is it like, is there just different factions that just don't really agree with each other in the UFO scene?
Or is there a crossover with how you guys believe? I'm not deep into the scenes, so I don't know. Is there
like a universal understanding of what these entities are or beings are, or is it very
disjointed in your opinion? Pretty disjointed. The history is that the assumption was that
they're aliens from other planets in nuts and bolts spacecraft. That's 30 years ago. That's
what Joe's operating assumption with MUFON might have been. But that is what is called the
extraterrestrial hypothesis. MUFON is a national research organization.
Like you probably, if you have a UFO sighting,
you can call up someone in Phoenix
and they'll come talk to you.
There's chapters everywhere.
They're required to have monthly meetings.
I've been around Joe so long,
I can give his talk for him apparently.
And the extraterrestrial hypothesis was people were believing and being shaped by Steven Spielberg eventually in aliens from other planets.
What two famous researchers, Jacques Vallée, in the 70s, he wrote many books,
and he was the character that a scientist in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind was based on, Jacques Vallée, was on set and told Steven Spielberg a couple of times, you know, it's not really aliens.
And that is also what he presented to the United Nations in the early 1970s.
The book, Messengers of Deception, written by a non-Christian UFO researcher who was paid by the U.S. Air Force to go investigate this stuff.
He said the phenomena changes and shapes itself over time to fit the experiencers, mindset, beliefs, etc.
And in 1972, this non-Christian researcher stated that the entities, the phenomena, was intentionally fooling us, tricking us, manifesting in ways that would make us believe it was otherworldly from other planets just to suit this culture.
But it was, he cited in the 70s, elves, fairies, succubus, sexual attacks on children.
sexual attacks on children. This is very common for Europe medieval. So back 500 years ago,
This is very common for Europe medieval.
though, if you were having these night experiences that some of us have shared,
childhood experiences, you knew to go to the church. You needed deliverance or an exorcism.
Modern day has lost that. Chris and Joe and I, independently, not knowing each other,
having nothing to go on, our research brought us together to where you would see all three of us eventually running tables at conferences where most people weren't there for science reasons.
They were like you and I. They were curious enough to go on a paid vacation, take their time off, fly to a UFO conference, and then they walk around the tables
and they hear speakers. The one place in the world where you're not crazy and you're allowed
to have these conversations, but there was no consensus. It was very new age vibe. 90% of the
conferences you go to, they think many people are there as UFO recruiters. They say aliens created life on earth, that you humans 2,000 years ago didn't understand things like cloning and DNA.
So what really happened was Mary was abducted by aliens and artificially inseminated.
Jesus is half alien.
And that's where his superpowers come from.
That's part of the vibe.
of the vibe. Again, there's no consensus. Joe comes from just the fact science, but he'll tell you
Again, there's no consensus.
Joe comes from just the facts science.
MUFON went through its new agey stage as well. All their conferences, sort of a...
Everybody wanted to prove the extraterrestrial hypothesis, but what eventually happened,
especially when you got Christians showing up and Joe's site now lists over 100 testimonies.
I think 300 of people who on record put their name.
Here's my story.
Aliens were abducted me.
I called out to Jesus and it stopped.
That's the TLDR.
Over 300 witnesses to that.
I mean, that's measurable, observable, repeatable.
So Joe's scientific method, Chris as a pastor, and then me as an experiencer.
We took the message that this is spirit.
And now for the last 10 years, Chris, who's now deceased, he used to brag that he, we were shaping the culture.
They had to answer us.
And darned if the phrase interdimensional hypothesis didn't come around to where they think they're, well, they're not really here from nuts and bolts.
There are more ascended masters.
And a lot of people conflate the Bible with all this stuff.
Like I said, Jesus was half alien.
The other part is the fire by night, cloud by day.
That was just a UFO.
The Ten Commandments were written by a laser.
That's a big chunk of the culture too.
Anybody else want to talk or just bring an opinion? I'm reporting, but all of this is research-based. Yeah, I'm just, I'm listening
here, Guy, and it looks like some of the other guests either haven't shown up or weren't able
to make it. So, you know, you're the main expert here. Jack, nerd girl, jump in, you know, whenever you want.
You know, I do have a question I've had for a long time.
This is something I don't, I haven't had enough time to really research or understand myself.
I have a background in much of what you've been discussing.
You're talking about it from the Christian side of things.
However, you're using the terms like elves very succubus i'm familiar with the succubus
uh you know like an entity that essentially can like possess you during sleep and and uh
many people believe that's what uh like sleep paralysis actually is and many people in my life
and you know as i read they the only thing that uh actually could get them out of
that process was uh shout like in their mind shouting the name of jesus uh so very very
interesting there but i'm not familiar with um elves and fairies but i have heard this a couple
times on podcasts and things and and it seems to be that a lot of people
so obviously there's like the fantasy elves and fairies the stuff you you you know you've seen on
like lord of the rings or people that have played like dungeons and dragons back in the day or
whatever it is you know like but but they're in the in the alien uh ufo uh spiritual christian kind of thesis there's also conversation about uh
fairies and elves and uh so could you dive in a little bit on that and explain what that
what that means to you i and do you agree on the succubus part. I do agree. Yeah. What people are now calling alien abductions
is the exact same thing that they used to call elves, fairies, incubus, succubus. Sleep paralysis.
We actually, one year Joe and I spoke at the public library. He did his testimony of like 25
years of research and he gives the whole story.
He got saved. He got converted himself from the scientific data.
The numbers he went from crystal carrying new ager is what he would say.
I think hold on. I had a little anxiety having to speak for Joe.
I think I've calmed down a little bit.
I think I was coming across heavy earlier on.
But yes, it's the exact same thing as incubus and succubus.
We had a speaker one year at the library with us do a one-hour talk on sleep paralysis, ancient connection to a modern evil.
And he went through every type of being that we're talking about, including aliens fleeing in the name of Jesus Christ.
He is a Christian, so that would have shaded, I guess, his research.
But again, once we hand people a mic and turn loose of PowerPoints,
you're either going to bring facts because you're going to get roasted by a dozen other guys around you.
Four of them have PhDs. So what you're saying, you've got to be able to
back it up in front of that kind of crowd is what Joe and I's talks over the years have added up to
that. Yes, if that's the immediate question, I do agree. Incubus, succubus, sleep paralysis are
exactly what now is called alien abduction. I think Joe often says it'll come to you in a, Satan will come to you in any mask.
It could be a drugs, alcohol, aliens,
the new age ascension, or a gambling crypto,
or whatever, like whatever, alcoholism,
whatever you're going to hook for.
Jacques Vallée, for the United Nations,
says the phenomena, in 1972, I think,
says the phenomena shapes itself
to the beliefs of the experiencer and it targets certain ones as well the experience you are chosen
that is uh dr don john mack harvard i quote him often he too uh for harvard there was a study at
the um mit with two phds john mack of Harvard, and I forget where the other guy was.
They had like a three-day thing as well. Journalists, scientists, psychologists, and alien abductees.
I think there were 800 papers published. If any of you remember what a telephone book is,
and you live in a city like Aztec does, the book is huge. It's as big as the Bible.
live in a city like Aztec does, the book is huge. It's as big as the Bible. On the study,
the proceedings of the conference on alien abduction held at MIT, Harvard and somebody
else came together. And they all said these people are experiencing P8's post-traumatic
stress disorder. And a lot of them, what is the word where the kidnapped becomes an advocate?
Oh, yeah.
Like Stockholm.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Alien abductees, most 99% probably in the world don't run into Joe or I or Chris or this level of research.
Aztec, you've overlapped a little bit of it because we've been at it for 30 years.
You know, HODL. That's what we do. And we keep stacking, actually. We've done this one-two punch
lecture together over 10 times, at least half a dozen times in Roswell and both in Nashville,
Orlando, and Philadelphia. I've gotten flown. What I do, by the way. Okay, smart guy. What really
happened in Roswell? That's what happened to me. My lead talk is I solved the Roswell crash.
I've never been booed. I've never had somebody, I do an hour lecture with PowerPoints and prove
it was man-made. It was just us. You will nowadays, you can Google Nazi UFOs,
Operation Paperclip, and you will convince it yourself that it was us.
That's interesting.
Yeah, I've wondered many times, you know, if some of these sightings are actually, you know, man-made.
But back to, like, fairies and here, like what, what is their distinction?
Like, uh, like I've, I've never really heard them in the discuss in a spiritual sense.
Like I would hear them back in like Dungeons and Dragons days or like, uh, uh, you know, fantasy games, you know, Lord of the Rings movie, whatever.
But like, I'm hearing UFO people talk about them.
I understand what a succubus is, you know, it's a, it's a temptress and it's a, it's
demonic entity, but like, I I'm hearing UFO people talk about elves and fairies as
demonic entities as well.
And so like, what, what are, what what are how do these guys act or no what
you know like what how do you explain what they are in your in your terms brilliant question i've
never been asked that and i was gonna shut up and say i don't know but um
restate one question real quick or restate it as a question.
Sure. I guess what are baryan elves? Like, I think it's we understand what succubus is,
but like, how do you explain that? I've never had to before, so help me wing it. But what went
through my mind was when you what you're identifying is felt you're not going back far enough.
You're what you define or what we as a because of eighteen hundreds or nineteen hundreds.
Lord of the Rings literature has created.
But that was based on if you go back 500 years ago, people would say elves and fairies came through their window, took them out in the woods, poked them with magic wands and had all advanced technology, lewd dancing in the woods, sexual acts, and then they were returned to their home just a little bit crazier for the experience.
That is not Tolkien's elves.
I guess the pop, does that make sense
so far?
Yeah, so they facilitate
different things, but they're,
but it's,
what you're saying is they facilitate
other things than a succubus, but
usually it's
something dark. dark yeah I think
so what I was saying was the two types of elves were talking about is I was
referencing and I think the people you're studying where why you keep seeing
this overlap is like five centuries ago go back 500 years before there was
printing presses and authors could earn a living, you know, to invent that sort of stuff. It's like Joe says, make aliens science fiction again. We all love it.
I mean, I get, I can go see the next Star Trek movie and it's a business expense because I'm
doing research. Joe is the same. We love our science fiction, but just like the real elves who molest children,
the European elves and fairy lore overlapping with incubus succubus and such, I might be making
the mistake of lumping them all as one exact thing and doing you a disservice on that. They're
probably different in ways that I haven't just really born into. But then the experience was you need the exorcist. You need to go to the church
and they'll solve that problem with you. They will cast it out or teach you how to. That is
literally what Joe does now. He doesn't use a title like exorcist or anything like that.
I've been around some experiences, demonic stuff in churches, settings like that. I've been around some experiences, demonic stuff, in churches, settings like that.
I've had one or two things come at me after I've moved to Rosaline.
Actually, as an adult, Whitley Streber,
who wrote the book Communion, New York Times number one bestseller,
when I was like 20, 18 or 20,
Communion and then Transformation and a few other books.
He underwent hypnosis and he was a New York Times number one bestseller
where he detailed his childhood experiences.
But now he was also an adult and it was happening to his children
and it was generational.
And somewhere, I guess the point where I got saved,
I guess became a Christian is I did not want that happening for me.
I've totally changed the topic. I didn't mean to, but gosh,
this is what you guys want. I think.
Okay. No, no, like rock rock. And I, well,
maybe I shouldn't use rock stick, but I I'll speak for myself.
Like I have massive ADHD, so I'm used to going all over the place.
And I, and I, I'm totally tracking you.
I'm listening.
It's, it's definitely interesting.
I guess, you know, let, let me ask, and thanks for, for being in chat here because you're,
you're, you're really probably the only like expert uh on the
panel right now on on uh uh ufo so um and jack actually how deep are you into aliens just just
to get a gauge uh more of like you're you're learning or you have i servant if anything but i started researching it uh
right out of high school in the 90s i wrote my web page saying you're not i'm very into it like as
much as you know me as the bitcoin guy the people that know me as the ufo guy are pissed why did
you what what's this big distraction in your life? And I know more about aliens than I know about
all Bitcoin and crypto together. And I've been tracking it and studying and researching it and
reading about it longer. The do your own research phase was, we say in crypto, I'm class of 2016.
That's when you bought your first 10 bucks worth of Bitcoin or whatever. I'm in UFO research, I'm not exaggerating,
but with a lot of inactive years,
I am class of 97 is when I first went public
with my research.
Wow.
And that's when you just went public.
So that means you were brewing much earlier than that.
I'm 57 now, so at age 30, I wrote my first webpage coming out of the closet.
I'm an alien abductee.
Here's how I stopped it, and I have the right to an opinion.
Hello, Internet.
My name's Guy.
Yeah.
I've got a question.
You guys are nailing with questions.
You guys nail in with questions.
Yes, ma'am.
Hey, so, Guy, after you kind of told me, like, so we were talking, you know, off camera about, you know, who you wanted to invite for this episode and kind of like where you thought that this was going to go, right?
And then I started seeing on my X feed all of these people, you know, J.D. Vance and Tucker Carlson and Bill Maher, all having guests
and all talking about aliens as demonic entities. And I'm like, these are, you know, mainstream or
very popular media sources all talking about, all of a sudden, all talking about aliens as demonic
entities. So my question is, why right now is that information making it into the mainstream
consciousness can i jump in here yeah jump in yeah okay so i've heard so um just to clarify a
few things so um what guy was saying regarding the the phenomenon presenting itself differently
to different cultures through time, I think is absolutely correct.
Now, I'm not saying that I agree with everything that Guy said.
With everybody, there's some things you disagree with,
some things you agree with.
So I just wanted to highlight that one thing and say, yeah, 100%. And I think the reason for that is pretty simple. I think we would have a hard time
processing the interaction with whatever this is, if we could actually see it as it actually exists
rather than what we want to see. You know, like the human senses
is basically like a filtering system.
The world around us is massive and it's full of rich data.
And a lot of that data is too hard for us to comprehend.
For example, you look at a table and you see a flat surface.
You know, you can feel that it's hard.
You might be able to assess that it's made of wood and so on.
You can see the color.
And you see what that object can do for you.
You can rest on it.
You can write on it.
You can eat from it and so on.
But you don't need to know the number of individual atoms that make up that table.
That's not useful information.
You don't need to know their particular composition.
And so there's like lots of things that you...
So the way that your brain deals with a very noisy information environment
is to filter out the majority of it.
And I think that's what's happening here.
So you, you know, abductees...
You see this with other types of trauma survivors, actually,
outside of the UFO thing,
where the trauma survivor will recount an experience and they'll put it into terms that they can understand
or they did understand as a child rather than what the actual reality of the situation was.
And so I think a scaled-up version of that is how we interact with UFOs,
where the brain acknowledges something
that it can't actually translate into human experience.
So it's perceived something.
And so the brain does the work to make that rational
and a coherent story in the person's head that sees it.
And it filters the actual information
and puts something else there.
So for many people, that could be a religious experience
because they have deep religious roots
and they come from perhaps a Judeo-Christian background.
For other people, it could present itself as some kind of technology
or aliens in the classic sense.
For other people who have a more, you know,
traditional folklore background,
it might manifest itself as some kind of, you know,
deity or pagan-style entity
or, you know, going back to the medieval folklore
in the Middle Ages.
You have to imagine that people,
when people write about things through history,
they can only use their conception of what that is. And there's no reason
to believe that the current conception that we have is the correct one because things just evolve
over time, right? You learn new information, society gets more complicated. We as humans get
more complicated and we aggregate more information from different sources and we try to form an
accurate picture of the world. But it's actually far from accurate.
A better way to describe what we actually get
is a kind of operating system
that allows us to interact with the world in a meaningful way.
That's probably the best way to describe it.
And so when we experience something
that doesn't fit neatly into that box,
the brain kind of filters it out and changes it to something that does make sense.
So an abduction story might become an elf encounter if you're a peasant in the 1500s.
Or an abduction story today might become a Steven Spielberg-esque gray alien with the big black eyes
because that's what you've grown up
understanding and watching and associating.
There's lots of interesting stories where abductees remember particular animals.
There was a case, I can't remember exactly where it was,
it was somewhere in the US where people in this particular town
were reporting hostile encounters with owls.
And this was like a whole thing where they did some hypnotherapy-style investigations
to unlock some hidden memories, and all these guys actually had embedded abduction memories,
but they were filtering that through the lens of an owl coming into their window at night and this psychologist noticed the pattern that many of his patients were coming in
with um basically like sleep sleep deprivation symptoms and they were all reporting visits from
owls and then when he did the hypnotherapy they all these same patients uh and they recorded the
the footage of it all these same patients started recounting abduction while under hypnosis.
So this is a very strange topic.
And I think the core of what this gets at is that there's a kind of psychological component to the phenomenon.
So in different people, it manifests itself in different ways.
And in different cultures over time, it manifests itself in different ways and in different cultures over time it manifests itself in different ways but the thing that's clear to me is whatever this is
it doesn't present itself in a way that is very plain so we can't see it and look at it and infer
accurate information from what we see and so there's no reason to believe that when people
see a tic-tac style ufo people talk about a lot recently, that that's accurate
either. Because it might not be. That might
just be the latest manifestation of the thing,
whatever the thing is.
That's an interesting take.
I think the way I
always looked at it is that
let's
put on our
UFO hats here and let's put on our UFO hats here
and let's say, you know, UFOs are real.
Well, if they are real,
I believe that they're in a different dimension than ours.
And so kind of to what you were saying, Jack,
with like how people perceive them
and it might be different for different people.
There's like a psychological nature. There's a, a you know also depending on the times etc um one one thing that uh
the way i kind of explain that is like if if they are not in our dimension it's like as if you're um
if you're Mario in Nintendo world in a, in a 2d, uh, world,
it would be hard for you to perceive or understand how, um, you know,
a third or fourth dimensional being is now you can potentially feel the effects.
You know, like if you're Mario,
you can feel like you you're being
controlled by the controller or whatever or uh you can you can uh experience the uh
the programming or or whatever it is but but it's very hard for a 2d you know animated
character to perceive like what a third dimensional being
I'm following you exactly
that's a great way of putting it
and to give it
you can't see
multi sides
like for instance us
we're in this 3D world
you can get a really good sense of this
by looking at
they sell these cubes called Tesseract cubes,
which are basically like it's a 3D cube,
but it's made of internal, it has lots of internal mirrored surfaces.
So you can stare into it and see infinite space,
but it's like a 30 centimeter by 30 centimeter cube on your desk.
So it doesn't make any sense.
And to put this, to give a finer point to this
and also to tie something back to what Guy was saying
about the biblical stuff.
So, and again, I don't know how,
to what degree I believe this stuff,
but I'm just providing like support and evidence
for things that have been said.
So when you look at the way that Ezekiel describes angels
in the Bible, it's not like the Renaissance style,
you know, angel with with little wings and stuff.
It's like a kind of weird concentric discs that are covered in eyes
and are almost gyroscopic in appearance and that are pulsing in and out.
Wheels within.
Sorry?
Wheels within.
Yeah, yeah, right.
That's it. And this is the Wheels within... Yeah, yeah, right. That's it.
And this is the point where you go,
okay, so if you were around 2,000 years ago
and you look up in the sky and you see something
and you don't know exactly what it is,
you've not got many frames of reference,
you've got...
Perhaps you know from personal experience what an eye is.
You've seen carts with wheels.
And so you look up in the sky and you think
wow that looks like a bunch of wheels and eyes what the fuck and then you write it down um it's
not it's like people trying to describe their own experiences based on what they had to use
as uh reference points right absolutely yes absolutely correct uh i did take a couple notes um you guys are spot on and you
are actually speaking in the same language as the field itself people get paid to hear what you guys
are saying uh you described the interdimensional hypothesis opposed to the extraterrestrial
hypothesis uh there's after decades of trying they just can't prove the extraterrestrial hypothesis. After decades of trying, they just
can't prove the extraterrestrial hypothesis. There's no evidence for a real UFO crash.
I will circle to Nicole real quick who asked first. Yes, the demonic view is mainstream.
This is one of my favorite topics right now. I own the domain fake alien invasion.com just as you conspiracy
guys know there's a lot of people that think 9-1-1 was an inside job i'm saying just like the
movie with gina davis and samuel jackson from ages ago the long kiss goodbye has anybody seen
that movie do you know the punchline who was was the villain? It was- I haven't. Okay. Turned out the terrorism part of the government was about to have their budget cut
because they weren't needed. So they went and blew up something. And that's the plot line
that Geena Davis and Samuel Jackson explodes. The government faked the terrorist act was the
plot line revealed to us in the movie by the, you know, whoever reveals
stuff in movies. The angels, let's go with that, Jack. Ezekiel 1, what we think of as angels,
the word is messenger. It means the same in Greek and in Hebrew. It's Merkab, and it's
Angelos in New Testament Greek. It's actually not talking about a species.
It's more of a job description.
Think of mercury.
But the angel that we're picturing,
maybe with wings is how it's portrayed,
is like the lowest level furthest from the throne of God.
What we think of as angels, they're powerful.
But what you're describing,
there's things that are called dominions,
thrones, powers, principalities, etc.
They are completely different species. And yes, covered with thousands of eyes is the one Ezekiel saw.
And he didn't, it is true that we do make, we fit things to our knowledge base.
We fit things to our knowledge base.
We are limited by it.
I do have the edge of almost 30 years of researching this and listening to other people I disagree with and learning from, though.
And I'll give a big checkpoint because I forgot about owls, frogs, and deer are the most common stories you'll get in every...
You crack open any book about alien abduction and people being interviewed about their experiences.
You crack open any book about alien abduction and people being interviewed about their experiences.
Screensaver Memories is what Daryl Sims, the alienhunter.com, I think is, if he's still alive, would call it.
He used to describe the Greys as basically 486 computers, slow and barely able to move, but they're animated by something.
They're animated by something.
That's way off the topic.
I wanted to say to Jack, you're right on how we are limited by our own perception and this phenomena, fourth dimensional.
You guys may know the analogy for flatland, just like you said Mario there, Aztec.
If you live on a straight line and two dimensional, you're in flatland.
You're a piece of paper.
That's all you know.
A pen comes making your reality 3D. That's all you know. A pen comes
making your reality 3D. That's already amazing and beyond your ability. We're talking fourth
and fifth dimensions. Yeah, we can't perceive it exactly, but sagging Bitcoin, actually,
something I wrote in our, guys might know, I had the pleasure of writing a Sunday column in my
local newspaper, plausible daily record, the one that reported the UFO crash in 1947.
I worked there for a year and a half as copy editor, and they let me start writing a column
about Bitcoin, you know, being the annoying Bitcoin guy, but in a newspaper every Sunday
to all the investors in gold and real estate, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, what I wrote
to your point, Jack, if anyone calls themselves an expert in Bitcoin, they run, they're scamming
you. There's no such thing as an expert in Bitcoin. No matter how many decades that crusty
captain has of sailing the seas, he knows no more about the ocean than the ocean itself has chosen to reveal
to him. He cannot fathom its depths until they have claimed him. That's this phenomena we're
talking about. It's bigger. We have descriptive terms based on millennia of experiences. This
alien abduction phenomena, back to fake alien invasion, Yes, it's a media topic right now,
but what I'm saying is it's a script. By the way, before I get cut off, Joe wrote no internet and
no TV now. Sorry. And that was like two speakers ago. He wrote me that. I just now got the chance
to remember to tell it. But no. Isn't that wild though?
It is Elon.
Crazy.
We try to do an alien topic and people literally like lose their internet.
Okay.
So Guy, that's why I asked you that question.
And I feel like Jack,
I feel like maybe it was the case that Jack didn't understand the question
that I was asking because I was specifically asking about the media
coverage um of it like coming that I you know coming from a PR media journalism background
and perspective I I think it's yeah I think I think I can answer your question, Nerd Girl. Yeah. Go ahead and ask it again just for everyone to hear.
Yeah, no, no.
So I was really just asking, like, you know, why is it that right now we're seeing that question?
Like, why is it that right now we're seeing some, like, very popular media sources talking about not just a potential alien invasion, right?
Because we've seen that for
quite a while but what i i've seen in the last week tucker carlson bill maher and vice president
jd vance talk about the you know about aliens as demons you are correct. Yeah. The Collins Elite, a book by Nick Redfern, a guy I couldn't get to
come on the show. I'm out of favor with these. It's just been a decade since I was active in
the field, it turns out. One of them couldn't come on Friday is all it was. But he wrote a book
that interviewed Joe and I and a couple other Christians called Final Events. But he's not a Christian.
He's a very Fortean writer.
He's got like 100 books on paranormal stuff.
And it's all research, government files, et cetera.
And the Collins elite is a group in the Pentagon that decades ago came to the conclusion that UFOs is demonic and they need to stay away from it. And literally there's record now, Ray Bechet of people that the government findings would actually affirm Christianity as true.
So this schism has been happening in the Pentagon like a long time.
They have to deal with the fact of it, though, that enough Americans have been come to the same conclusion that joe chris and i have
um they think it's demonic so what is happening right now it's being painted as a slow release
of information calling itself disclosure there is this extraterrestrial presence it's always been
here it's the origin of your bible in all religions. It's the second sphinx underground now.
They're going to have to explain this stuff.
And only the Bible comes along and identifies in Genesis 6, 1 through 4.
Sorry, Joe.
The ancient beings were fallen angels.
They weren't the Greco-Roman gods.
I'm not going to go there right now.
I want more.
And only because I want to.
Yes, I'd be happy to jump in.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, so.
Nicole, to your question there, like we live in the information age, the digital age.
Why is it becoming more of a topic I believe and more mainstream forever
ever since I've been alive
it's because they want it to
and all of us now
are part of their thing
and that's my perspective always
is that when something becomes a mainstream
talking point it's because there is
some agenda so the question is
what is that agenda right now
so here's what i think like because we're in the information age and kind of like everything is
coming to light right now like systems that people you know that that conspiracy theorists have been saying are real for forever are now coming to light.
You know, there's all kinds of information in the Epstein files,
like a recent example of things coming to light about how elites work
or there's different systems out there that operate above governments or whatever.
And so in this information age, it's much easier for people to speak
and share stories and information, and there's more repositories
of information available.
There are things becoming declassified and i believe that
that uh this is becoming a larger topic because it it does exist you know this this is my belief
you know uh and because it exists and there's there's a lot more information on the topic and
it's becoming much harder to let's say hide uh people are having to actually take a stance
on it now to to your other point nicole like you know well then what does this mean and are people
trying to uh control certain things i would say yes of course uh there's there's probably
politicians that are going to start having opinions on this it could be a number of things right like um it could be them trying to win over a base
them trying to get street cred it could be them trying to be subject matter experts in
something and then steer the community a different route i, there could be multiple reasons why,
like you're saying, like JD Vance is now talking about it.
But I think the root of it is that it's becoming much, much harder to explain
as a way as fantastical.
And there's a much better understanding
of what you're actually dealing with like a guy
actually mentioned uh multiple times that this these are entities that have been here since the
beginning of of you know our time and uh he he referenced you know fallen angels um you know and
um, you know, and, and essentially you, you can actually see this all throughout history.
This, uh, story of the Pantheon, there's many, many cultures have a story of the Pantheon.
You know, if you, I remember back in school, we learned about the Roman Pantheon, the different
gods. And then, you know, you, you, at some point I learned about Greece as gods and I never really put two and two together, but they're all the same.
They're all the same thing.
Like they're just different names, different, uh, beings, different, uh, roles facilitating different things, but they're really all just the same beings with different
names but then as i got older i realized that it wasn't just the romans and the greeks that had a
pantheon there were cultures all around the world that had a pantheon of different gods and that
had different roles that they all worshipped um and so i think this kind of
uh when you start realizing these things you you start seeing that uh this is something that people
have been talking about for a long time even before you know roswell crashed back in whenever
you know in the early 1900s or in the 1900s know, this is just a this is a this is a discussion that's
been with us since the beginning of time.
I'll pause there.
I agree. You're a thousand percent correct.
The Zeus got horny with an earth woman, and that's how Hercules was born.
Genesis six phrases it differently. Every other
culture identifies it as gods. The Hebrew is bene Elohim or whatever. It means sons of God,
the angels. It's repeated in Job chapter 1 when they all come before the throne,
Lucifer among them, Satan among them. I forget how it's quoted. the moses or genesis 6 makes the distinction that these were fallen angels it
doesn't use the word ballin but their actions was judged the new testament says for creating the
giants in the nephilim uh mankind got wicked you can argue over whether it was man's wickedness
or the angels but the point is the flood came because the bloodline was polluted all these stories of the old testament of go out and kill every man woman animal in the tribe
the angels were effing them they were creating hybrids that turned into cannibals giants that
were eating humanity that is why the god of the old testament is such a mean guy and that's what
you see in mythology as well yeah you know giants the, the Titans, the, the, it's the same story, like just described by different, um, cultures.
Of course, you know, some cultures actually worship these beings and others seeing them as what, what they were, you know, and there's, and then there's different types of books out there that talk about uh these beings but that
you can see the similarities uh and in what they are whether it's because you're referencing the
bible there's the apocrypha there's there's um gnosticism you know the gnostic scriptures there's
then there's the pantheons there's, but they're, they're all pretty much from, from my understanding, referencing the same things in different, uh, viewpoints.
And obviously, like I just said that people are either thing, these things as God's deities, worshiping them and others are, are, uh, are viewing them as a offspring, uh, of fallen angels or, or, uh, offspring, uh, of fallen angels or, or, uh, like you're saying these giants, you know,
Nephilim, uh, you know, so, but it's, it's like all the same story. And it's crazy that no,
no, like a lot of people haven't put this together yet, you know, that like,
just look at all the similarities and it's been we've been talking
about this this beginning of time yeah I just put together a new site it's the book of Enoch
as a movie I didn't make the movie but it's fantastic and I argued with grok for I think
3,000 words about the angels and I made grok admit, historically, best guess, Grok, you know human history literature,
Bible, apocrypha better than I do. Best guess, Grok, yes or no, did angels cohabitate with human
women in the ancient past and produce the giants? And it said yes. And it gave me thousands of words
on the history. All throughout, every culture has recorded the same story and i might be wrong
aztec when i say only the bible or only moses comes along and identifies them not as gods if
you know of other cultures that think they're bad that's awesome but um the reason i i think they
were the only culture that uh seen them as evil and you know if you if you read like uh either
you know the bible the apocrypha or things that were closely aligned with the bible like
gnosticism which i think is it doesn't line up with the bible um uh but if you if you look at these kind of adjacent texts um ethiopia you'll see that
yes yeah yeah that's the that's still in the uh ethiopian bible yeah um but anyways yeah if you
if you look at these texts they're they're the only ones that really kind of see them
for what they are i think I think most of the other civilizations
around the world
saw them as some type
of deity
or worshipped
them in some way.
If I could just...
Go ahead.
I just wanted to zoom in on what Aztec said
when he said see them for what they are.
This is quite an interesting topic because
of the points we discussed
earlier regarding
psychological implications.
And it's interesting
because if you think about
a deer's experience of a tiger,
the deer
cannot actually see
the tiger in the way that we see
the tiger. So we're outside of that predator-prey relationship,
so we see both the deer and the tiger.
So the deer, the tiger is not orange and black, it's green and black.
And when it's in the jungle, its black stripes just appear like shadows of leaves.
like shadows of leaves.
And so basically the tiger's functionally invisible to the deer.
And so basically the tiger is functionally invisible to the deer.
And that idea sticks with me with reference to this topic
because there's no reason to believe that basically,
you know, camouflage in various forms exists all over the animal kingdom,
but we believe we're the one species on the planet
that has the true vision of what you know, the true vision of what
is actually out there in the world, it's actually highly likely that there's all kinds of different
things that we can't entirely see or perceive that are on the planet, that have been on the planet
for a while that may have co-evolved with us or came here from elsewhere, I don't know, but are employing pretty sophisticated camouflage.
And that might include, it might not be physical camouflage.
It might be that they can affect us and our senses in a particular way
to render us unable to see them.
And I think that's probably, you know,
there's definitely an element of that here.
And I just think, like, the tiger analogy is interesting
because, you know, the deer, like, should have evolved to see the tiger.
It's like its main natural predator in certain countries.
And it's an incredibly important thing for the deer to see
because the tiger's, like, ten times its body weight
and is actively trying to hunt it.
But still, the tiger has the uphand in that relationship um and so i think maybe
there's a similar situation here where there's just something that has existed on this planet
for a very long time similar to us but is is just slightly higher up the pecking order than we are
and has evolved to outwit us uh in terms of our to perceive it. And so he's able to do with us what he wishes, basically.
Yeah, I don't think they're higher on the pecking order.
This is my personal opinion.
I actually think they're lower. but but uh are are they uh do they have um supernatural abilities yes and so in that in
that sense you know they they have like different things that we we can't do um
and and it's interesting because you know you're saying you saying it's been here since the beginning of time with us, probably before us, actually.
And to my point I was talking about earlier, I'm not sure if a lot of people know this, this is why I'm just going to bring this up.
But the pantheon, the idea of this pantheon is not like just a roman or greek thing it's not like when people
think of like mythology uh they they just first you know they think of uh of the romans or the
greeks but like there was a pantheon all the way from mesopotamia uh and and you know mesopotamia was like supposedly the first city ever ever
they and and now people say that gigalotepi was before mesopotamia but but regardless
um there was a pantheon all the way you know from the beginning uh recorded in mesopotamian documents or
you know tablets or whatever they had that time and then you know there's ancient egypt which also
had um you know a massive pantheon there was romans and then there's the norse and the uh
germanic um cultures that had uh their, uh, their Pantheon.
And of course then there's the Americas, like the Aztecs, the Mayans and the Incas
and all throughout Asia and Africa, they all had a Pantheon.
And, and so, uh, when, when you realize that, and you look at what they were describing and they were pretty pretty much you can see that they were all talking about the same thing.
So this has definitely been a.
A topic that has been around since the very beginning.
I agree. You nailed it, man. That's like research, whatever, Ph.D. dissertation stuff. Nicole can tell you that you're borderline on that.
I want to return to her point on the media
all of a sudden being very leaking lists.
Like I've been in the UFO conference circuit enough
to where there is a book,
actually it looked like a newspaper headline,
but it was called The Missing Times,
the media's complicity with the CIA coverup of UFOs
that revealed CIA staff working for newspapers
in editor-writer positions. But now the script is a little different. I'm going to use the
word whistleblower because a lot of the stuff that's floating right now is these alleged
whistleblowers. And it's like the third round going back 20 years. Names you won't know, Paul Benowitz.
Books by Greg Bishop, Adam Gawrightly, and Nick Redfern cover this.
But I'll just tell you, as far as believing what people are saying right now,
ask Julian Assange and Edward Snowden what happens when you tell the truth.
Okay?
You don't get booked on a late night TV.
You run from your government. If you're telling stuff, they don't want known.
Every bit of this is scripted. The timeline was about three months ago,
a Redditor post, a movie maker posted that Trump was going to,
on July 8th, disclose or open the file or whatever like that.
That circulated for just a minute. And then President Trump actually did say, I'm giving executive order to open the UFO files.
Everyone in urology said that's bullshit because no president, Jimmy Carter's tried and every president since him, Bill Clinton's got a few quotes.
No president's ever been given access to this for a long, long, long, long time.
ever been given access to this for a long, long, long, long time. And then, oh, well, Obama said
something, something, and Trump said, well, that's classified. He's not supposed to say that.
Do you realize how much an endorsement of UFO alien theories that is when the president goes,
oh, well, that's classified. He wasn't supposed to say that. That's literally what he said.
Well, guy, we're probably headed into like a great deception because like uh
because they they're supposedly releasing files uh in may i i i would say it's either one of two
things one uh it's actually the truth and then it's like why are they releasing the truth that's
scary because uh you
know the general public shouldn't know that you know like at least in the way they look at it um
we can't handle the truth yeah well exactly uh but i i would say everyone should do their own
research and find the truth that's but uh but yeah a lot of people say people can't handle the brookings report in the 60s did determine that we can't
handle the truth it compared how societies collapse with the new superior civilization arrives
uh but over and that's their excuse over the decades they've been what was the research on
that why do they say that that's all google Google Brookings report. It's been so long.
I can tell you the exact findings.
Again, I've heard this my whole life.
Go ahead.
Public can't.
Yeah, I've heard this my whole life.
The public can't handle the truth.
But now we can.
I mean, we joke about it.
I feel like people have been desensitized enough.
It's time to let people know.
Nowadays, we're to the point of, yeah, okay, aliens are real.
Pay my groceries.
Don't abduct me.
Don't tell me the truth.
Just pay me, whatever.
Pay my groceries.
We're very blasé, though.
The media, especially, again, Steven Spielberg, most people, what you, most people, you guys
are the exception.
I say all the time that most people's opinion about aliens is shaped more by Steven Spielberg than the Bible, history and science combined.
Nobody has done enough.
The type of research that you guys have, especially sounds like.
Well, actually, you guys, all of you that I'm hearing from.
I'm I'm loving being able to.
You're throwing me stuff that even I don't have an easy answer for, and I've been doing this a while.
Only just now, but on script with the media, I replied immediately.
I went on Facebook.
I've had to tell my high school reunion committee, my dad, I don't know if I'm going to be able
to come in August until after July.
I've said on Facebook and on X, President Trump is a damn liar.
Folks, if you believe aliens are demonic, the people that have been, he's on a script,
and you are going to have to choose. If you believe the demonic hypothesis that many Christian
PhD books and denominations do now, and your president comes on and tells you UFOs are here,
it's going to go one of two ways. It's either they're attacking and we're going to impose
martial law and militarize the atmosphere so no independent reachers can, they're going to kill
flat earth research probably with that one. That's the fake alien attack, the military response,
martial law, or they're here
to help us. And they invented all religions. And here, look what's under the Sphinx in Egypt now.
That had to be alien technology. And the URL that we were, I was, the ancient past,
fallofangels.com. I have a gift of getting good URLs occasionally.
I have a gift of getting good URLs occasionally. Fallofangels.com covers the whole pantheon that we were talking about and the argument with Grok.
And also to close that topic, I'm glad we got back into fake alien invasion.
That's what I'm going to be pitching is there's memes. Just go on Google and go to images.
Fake alien invasion. You'll laugh your ass off.
Conspiracy theorists are as blasé to the fake alien invasion.
We harp Project Blue Beam.
We were talking about weather control decades ago.
I was hearing about it in conferences in the 90s.
I'm sorry, in the 2000s.
But we're as blasé to the fact that we're probably going to go through a fake alien invasion
that it's so scripted now that there's memes about it people laugh and joke about it but oh
well just hurry up and start the fake alien invasion so i can get back to whatever that's
where we are as a society most people are going to believe it the bible talks about god sending
a grand illusion for those that refuse to love the truth.
It's the alien phenomena.
It could, you know, other things, modern.
The terms you guys have used are the age we're in, revealing, apocalypse, the veil is lifting.
We have these extra solar comets now showing up.
Oh, we've never, ever been seeing comets from outside of our own solar system
outside of our own galaxy whatever they were saying and now there's three but we've never
had such good instruments either uh but no the everything epstein files everything is becoming
apparent the do your own research uh crowd like you say has run out of conspiracy theories
don't know where else we're just being proven're just being proven right, left, and right.
Okay, but Guy, okay, so here's the other thing.
So you're saying at the same time
they're getting ready to push this fake alien invasion,
but then why are they also saying at the same time
that aliens are demonic?
So you're saying that they're about to push the fake alien invasion,
but they're also saying what you're saying is true,
which is that aliens are demons.
So like,
this is confusing.
It has to be dealt with.
There's enough people that have this view that they have to address it.
Give it a little bit of time.
Let it air legitimacy.
Thin the herd or mark them or whatever like that.
You're talking about the people that are going to.
That's a great question.
I'm not.
It's.
I think I could comment.
Yeah, please do.
Research leads both ways.
Let me pause there and then save me, Aztec.
No, I'm not.
Probably not saving here, but like my thoughts at least, guys.
That's all I'm giving today is just thoughts, things I've read.
I'm a big nerd.
So they're admitting things to Guy's point.
There's enough information and enough reasoning for people to have a good argument for these beings existing from the beginning of time.
And so now they're having to comment on it and we're in the information age.
So this is becoming more popular and people are becoming enlightened.
So they have to talk about it.
Now, how can it be a great deception at the same time that they're saying the truth?
The same way that the government does this and in many other categories where they basically give you a bit of the truth and then, you know, lie.
of the truth and then you know lie uh and so like how could this what's a direct example of like
what that could look like is hey aliens are um real and here's a bunch of files on like to guys
point you know fake fake alien things or or they could say they could go really deep and they could say
they're real
you know
we believe
in let's say like the Gnostic
side of things
where you know it's just basically
contradictory to
what people believe that it's like
aligns with the Bible which it doesn't
and so then they could mislead people spiritually so so there's multiple ways that that it could be
a great deception and at the same time they admit you know like the general
the general premise you know that it's that it's true.
I think I can answer Nicole as well.
Thank you for that.
Just before, a little bit housekeeping, Bitcoin Live is here now.
Bitcoin Live is it?
Nick, I see you.
I'll ask you something in just a second.
He hosts, thank you.
Joe, Jordan, and I did a two hour talk together a couple of weeks ago.
Thanks to Bitcoin Live. He is launching me as a program on Sundays myself to talk about either faith or finance.
Glad you made it, Nick. And he's interviewed Nicole in the past. To that point, Nicole, great question is right now,
because there's as so many people actually do see this kind of the way i am
that you just have to let it play itself out the bible specifically says god is going to send a
grand illusion to those who refuse to love the truth and so be saved that's what i wrote on
the internet in the 90s that's what's in my first book is that uh there's an account in heaven where it might be.
Oh, God actually asked the heavenly council who will go and basically kill this king.
And a spirit from heaven, a good guy, said, I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of his prophet.
And the Lord said, yes, you will go do that.
And the king died because the prophets gave him bad information.
But it came from a good angel of heaven doing his job.
God sends powerful to Romans 1.
If you look at creation and you don't believe God exists, God will harden your heart to let you give you over to everything that you do love that is not him.
That's Bible for you.
So if you reject the aliens or demons view in general, fallen angels, there's
all kinds of Nephilim spirits. You got to split hairs and get real semantic on that.
But if you want to believe in aliens, the Bible, there's another case where the king,
when you have an idol in your heart and you go inquire of the Lord, the Bible says he will answer
you according to your idol. You didn't come for the truth. You just want your idol affirmed and God's going to prove it to you. Hardness of heart.
That's what if you refuse to love the truth and so be saved. All world governments eventually,
this is the whole book of Revelation, one world antichrist area we're discussing now. That's where
this always goes. Some people think the Christians
are going to get raptured out and then everyone else behind is going to believe in the aliens.
Not sure how I feel about how it all plays out other than there's sufficient evidence for HAARP
and Project Bluebeam that is built over decades and just the way the movie The Matrix and they just they have to tell us things is what people say.
The longest goodbye movie again.
I just think it's there.
And they know that enough Christians are going to raise a stink.
OK, let's voice this.
Let's have it out.
Let them have their day.
But 90 percent of people aren't going to believe me, Nicole.
I think you're getting up
topic uh of karmic retribution there guys so maybe for those that aren't familiar with this
topic you might want to explain it a little so that the idea that they have to uh tell you
so one way people say it is predictive programming. That's what you hear a lot in the truth or conspiracy movement. They say, you know, you have to, they have to say what they're going to do before they do it. But if you can take it even a step further, then you, you kind of dive into like the law of consent and what you're talking about is like karma.
karma but um but um it it gets even deeper like um into like the law of manifestation and lesser
magic but uh but but it like cause some there's like some term called cosmic cosmic something
like there's these you know potentially laws in the spiritual realm where they they have to say what they're doing
but most people familiar with that what i'm what i'm really curious about guys perspective here
is you say donald trump is a liar right and like i don't disagree with you right like i
distrust all politicians and people in the public eye right like but so jd vance his vice president is is publicly spouting the opinion
that you share so like you know which is that that aliens are are demons so how um
like i guess my my question is like where how do you make what do you make of that?
I hope Carlson and JD are a little bit sincere.
I'm more willing to bet that they're being handed a script.
They're all actors.
Yeah.
That is my belief, is that I don't know exactly, because I'm not the Antichrist, what...
You're not? Are you sure? you sure the antichrist would say
that i can neither confirm nor does i do or deny nick you should just jump in yeah nick
sorry i'm still not used to doing a little spaces but uh nice to see you guys and uh nice to see you guys, and nice to see you, Guy. Yeah, it's fun to join.
Great to have you here, bro.
My perspective is, you know, I'm agnostic on this topic,
this particular topic.
I don't know.
I think nobody really knows.
I tend to escalate more towards different factions.
That makes more sense to me.
And that it's just one giant monolithic
rollout but maybe i'm wrong sometimes i think the opposite uh but but for example uh you've got
the colins elite right within the ufo uh lore and community there's a there's been a long history of
the colins elite and the colins elite goes way way back and they are
supposedly a faction within the US government who actually believes and promotes the idea that these
are aliens oh sorry angels and demons uh sort of more along the lines of what guy is talking about
uh and and without within the UFO community uh there's a pushback against the Collins
elite because they think the opposite, like that they're framing the issue in
the wrong way, purposefully, and also withholding disclosure because of the
fear that we're dealing with demons. Now, I don't know which faction is right,
but when it comes to Project Bluebeam, for example,
which is also very popular within the UFO community,
Project Bluebeam has been especially pushed and researched
and brought out into the open by Stephen Greer.
Stephen Greer is definitely in the camp of these are all aliens,
even though he believes these are good aliens. Now I'm agnostic on that too. I have no idea if
these are good aliens or bad aliens, demons or angels. I have no idea. But that's sort of my take. I think I agree with Nicole, with Nerd Girl.
I find it interesting that fans is openly talking about the Angels and Demons perspective and pushing it.
I also think from Team Trump or the Trump team, even though I'm more of a Thomas Massey fan myself by now.
How great. I agree with that, Nick.
Yeah, thank you. But the team Trump is definitely in the Christian evangelical camp.
You know, I'm not saying that Christian evangelicals are automatically Trump fans.
The one doesn't imply the other.
But I think Trump is aligning itself
or trying to align itself with Christian base.
It's my perspective.
I'm not saying that's, I don't know,
but that's what it looks like to me,
appealing to that vote.
And I think he has a lot of support in that corner.
Also because of what he's trying.
I have no idea what he's trying to do in the Middle East.
I'm definitely not supportive of what he's trying to do there.
But he has a lot of support within that corner for what he's apparently doing there.
But I also think that Trump is very much fighting in his perspective against the World Economic Forum crowd.
At least that's what it seems like to me. And there's a pushback. But then again, it can be
all one big giant charade, you know, a coordinated dance to like guys saying, like, you know, it's
one big plan. Yeah, the only thing, the only real problem that I have with that perspective is that to roll out a plan like that
over centuries, because we're talking about a plan that has been concocted a long, long, long time
ago, you would need supernatural planning. It's beyond human powers to plan or coordinate and to take into account
every variable, everything that could go wrong. I mean, just imagine what could go wrong in Iran,
and the repercussions and the second to third order derivatives and how it could spin completely out of control, you would need supernatural planning, either demonic, angelic, alien, you name it, I don't know.
But if this is a plan and everybody is playing its part,
it's not human.
It's not a human plan, is my perspective.
I like that you noted the distinction that Trump is kind of courting or seeking the Christian base.
Raise your hand if you're old enough to remember when he was seeking the Bitcoin or voting block.
How'd that work out for us?
Christians are about to experience the same thing.
I just made that up on the spot.
Well, I think him and seeing Bitcoin was help for us. I mean, I know that people will be upset
of him making, you know, Bitcoin
and want to blame that for the market.
I don't think, I mean,
I think maybe it had something to do with it a little bit,
but I think overall Trump and his cabinet endorsing coin,
at least now we are not in fear of being put in jail
every 10 minutes.
Because I was legitimately worried that
they could come after founder
and either myself or anyone here
or our founders portfolio company jail.
So we bring people do
dark companies in the United States. Um, you know,
it was, uh, it was a dangerous time. So I, for one will thanks administration what they've done.
I think that we're in a better spot, buddy. Definitely him and the family took their fee for putting us in a better spot.
Liquidity returns and people start realizing what has actually changed.
And I think geopolitical things start relaxing.
Then I think we're going to just go into the most epic golden age that we've ever seen because it's all being primed.
Yeah, I agree.
Good call out, Rock.
I'm glad you showed up to save.
I mean, by the way, I think his meme coin was total like, what a joke.
The point was he's not really an evangelical Christian anymore than he is a Bitcoiner.
He worked at the Bitcoiner base, and yeah, he's been good for Bitcoiner.
But there's half his base has turned on him now.
The whole MAGA thing is just falling through,
and I'm literally seeing people making memes of laying hands on him,
calling it fake Christianity.
They're thinking like Joel Alstede and Paula White.
And, you know, again, there's no consensus on Trump,
whether he's the Antichrist or whether he's Sirius
or whoever that guy in the Bible was, Cyprus,
among even Christians.
It's as divided as ufology.
There's as many denominations as our,
no, go ahead.
I'm sorry if I interrupted you,
but my distinction was,
I don't think he's any more a genuine evangelical Christian than he's a genuine Bitcoiner. He just helped each a little bit have their heyday.
of discussion there i also think uh also on that point there there is i think you can make a case
for factions because i think the world economic forum crowd uh which i see more aligned with china
and chinese infiltration into america and the un and the world health organization i think china
has been playing the long game for a very long time.
But I think the World Economic Forum crowd has had more of a suppressive take on the world. And I think they were more in favor of a CBDC system, which is still very prevalent in Europe, where the World Economic Forum is still very popular.
in Europe where the World Economic Forum is still very popular.
And I think the Team Trump crowd,
which is big tech especially and energy companies and others,
I think they are more supportive of doing it via the private companies
like stablecoins.
So in that perspective, they also have a different take on how to use or
abuse Bitcoin and decentralization, because I think from the Trump team, they see it more as
pristine collateral, a la Michael Saylor, to build a prison system on top of. But I think they are
more lenient. And the Roth, yeah, I call them the Rothschilds versus the Rockefeller groups.
Just labeling. I'm not saying that they're affiliated with them, I don't know.
But the Rothschild World Economic Forum crowd has more of
just skip Bitcoin altogether because it's too dangerous.
And just make a CBDC prison
and just
stop there.
Hey, Rock, we've been going...
That's a good take, brother.
Rock, we've been
going for two hours. How much longer do you want to
Your call. I'm not contributing a whole
lot to the topic i this is just not my topic i don't know much about it um i guess i could
probably say my opinion now that you know you asked or some kind of other living organisms in the universe.
You know, just statistically, it feels impossible for there not to be somewhere on some planet.
Life has formed, I would think.
Do I think that we are either, you know,
A, visited by extraterrestrial beings,
or B, that they already existed here,
or C, that they are,
you know, biblical demons, D, that they came from like inside the earth or any of these
other possible ideas that people talk about. I'm very skeptical.
I'll give definitely less than 5% on that. I don't know, maybe a little more than 5%,
I don't know, probably less than 5% though, that I think that's what's happened.
I guess, I don't know.
That number's definitely increased lately.
If you would have asked me 10 years ago,
I probably would have said like 0.1% or 1% or less or something.
But I don't know.
I just still, every time I dig into this
or people tell me like, here, look at this, look at that.
It's just the evidence just isn't like strong enough.
Like you would think if we've been doing this for this long
and the government knows and we have all these things,
you know, these crafts and stuff.
And by the way, we have a bunch of people here
who I would love to hear disagree with me and probably will.
It looks like we, okay, so, but anyways,
you just think we would have better evidence,
like videos that are more clear and not like grainy.
And, you know, we've got lots of firsthand kind of anecdotal accounts,
like Guy gave earlier.
But, I mean, why do we have, I guess more stuff it seems that's coming, right?
Jack know a bunch about this, I think.
You know, these girls that are saying stuff.
I mean, that's definitely increasing my openness to the topic.
Yeah, if I could jump in on that.
Yeah, please.
I'd frame this in a couple of ways.
So, one, you know, leaving the biblical stuff aside for a moment, because that's quite hard to prove either way.
And it is by its very nature belief orientated.
Even if we just assume it's like relatively mundane explanation, which is just the universe is full of different species and some of them want to see what we're about.
And some of them have been losing technology
and we've been finding it.
Something like that.
Whatever the mainstream explanation of UFOs is,
it's basically that.
If we take that and then say,
okay, why hasn't Rock seen any evidence of that?
Well, if the technology is sufficiently advanced to the point where it could be used to
make weapons which it almost certainly is if it's here and not on the aliens home planet
then it has implications for national defense and everything that has implications for national
defense is locked up pretty tight like i would ask you if you were living in 1940s
in the US in the 1940s
somebody said, we've got these
nuclear weapons and you said, well, I don't see any
evidence of nuclear weapons.
How can they exist? They exist theoretically
but we don't see them.
Meanwhile, there's like 10,000 scientists
in Nevada
working on the Manhattan the manhattan project
literally building and testing nuclear weapons on a daily basis but you don't know because you're not
in the loop and you've been deliberately kept from you but um but but difference is that eventually
we did know right and i think eventually we will know in this case and i also want to find out
I think eventually we will know in this case.
And I also want to find out...
If I could just jump in also, Jack, real quick.
There's definitely evidence,
but you have to look for it in the right place.
Well, there's literally like...
Real quick, real quick.
I think, Rock, you are looking for it
from the wrong people.
For instance, like the government,
it's not in the government's best interest
to let the general public,
it hasn't been for a long time,
know about aliens.
And so why isn't there evidence?
It's because that's a big part of it there.
When the government doesn't want something to be released
or there's disinformation.
Well, let me illuminate this a bit deeper.
If I could just real quick, bro.
That's why it's not there.
And so we have to...
And I would think like um all bitcoiners
and light coiners you know crypto community many people in our community would understand this
because we a lot of us join this movement uh because we distrust the government we we have
we're skeptical about the government we're unhappy with uh the system or the government. We're unhappy with, uh, the system or the government. And, and so like,
if I think if people are looking for proof in the traditional sense, you're not going to find it
there, but yeah, sorry, Jack. I just had to. Yeah. Well, I guess sort of on along the same lines,
um, you, you would find it if you were the person that it was intended for. So, like, there's members of Congress that have been public about being briefed in skiffs about this stuff
and have seen tangible hard evidence.
Physicists like Michio Kaku, for example, you know, he's an award-winning physicist.
I think he may be a Nobel Prize winner.
He's, like, a very sober intellectual.
And he said in an interview that they have multiple sensor evidence from multiple modes of
multiple modes of sensors and multiple different types of sensors that track this exact phenomenon.
And here's the allegation, right? And this is the bit why you've probably not seen...
This is why Trump's not going to stand up there with a picture of a UFO
and go, look, you know, you're right.
It's because the allegation is that the US has
reverse engineered some of this stuff
and they've made pretty terrible weapons.
They've made weapons that are globally destabilizing.
The allegation is that they've made instantaneous nuclear delivery devices which what that is essentially is a
craft an alien craft that's been reverse engineered and they've put a nuke on it
so that it can get anywhere in the world instantly and donate and that if the u.s has done that
if they come out and say it publicly or it's acknowledged,
or it turns out that Russia has done the same thing or China has done the same thing,
then we're in a very destabilizing situation geopolitically
because all of the nuclear doctrine since the Cold War ended
has been launched on warning doctrine essentially,
which is nobody launched anything
and then you wait and you see the missiles come in
and then you fire back.
And that's meant to be good because you fire up,
you know which launch silos you don't need to target
because they're the missiles that have been launched
and you get more accurate hits.
And also it means that nobody launches
any bloody weapons preemptively.
But if you realized that your adversary nation,
or you're sat in Beijing,
and it turns out that Trump discloses that they've made these weapons
and they've got instantaneous payload delivery devices,
which means that as Xi Jinping,
you have to assume that at any moment you can be vaporized with no warning,
no ability to retaliate.
That does a really terrible thing for geopolitics
and in general diplomacy.
So why do you not know about this?
Well, why would they let that incredibly destabilizing thing
if that is what's happened out to the general public?
Because it's pretty crazy anyway that we all have happened out to the general public because it's like uh it's pretty
crazy anyway that we all have our fingers over the buttons but now if you realize that the button
could be pushed with no repercussions it becomes a very scary world and if the u.s has built such
weapons they would want to not reveal that until the last possible second if there was an impending
crisis then they could pull them out and they wouldn't want to let their adversarial nations get them.
But what I will say is, in the last two, three years, I guess there was some congressional hearings on UFOs,
folks like Lou Elizondo and others leading the charge there.
And there's been several members of Congress, like Luna and Tim Bichette and a few others,
who've heard pretty sober intellectual briefs on this
stuff. So I'd say, OK, you don't want to trust what people say, but if you have multiple
independent scientists, physicists, and you have multiple members of your own government
and multiple members of other governments that are acknowledging that there's something here and that it's been investigated.
And I think you've got to accept, like, you know, you say there's no smoke without fire.
Well, you've got to accept at some point, if you see, like, smoke billowing out of something, that there's some fire there, probably, if you scratch something on the surface.
Yeah, can I jump in there?
Please do, bro.
I think Jack raised a lot of excellent points.
And I think another reason, for example,
I think the nuclear comparison is very illuminating, right?
Because if they didn't use nuclear weapons,
maybe that whole nuke thing
would be considered a myth to many peoples until they did use them, which they did eventually.
And I think, as Jack says, like these weapons are way beyond nuclear weapons, right? I mean,
nuclear weapons, if all of this is true, what is being said and claimed, then nuclear weapons are like a pea shooters compared to this kind of technology,
which is probably also why they've hidden it for so long.
I would argue actually
that there's enough evidence that China and probably Russia too
have developed these kind of technologies.
There's ample evidence within the UFO field that has surfaced
that points into that direction.
So my view on this particular topic is that there is actually
a mutual assured destruction 2.0
that all these superpowers have silently agreed to,
that you don't want to destabilize societies,
which is knowledge, which would have far ramifications.
But also, once you start using these kind of things
as weapons against each other, then all bets are off off and you could very well blow up the entire Earth.
So I think it's sort of like a silent agreement between the superpowers
to not use these technologies against each other,
because then it would be an uncontrollable catastrophe.
That's my take, and that's also why we don't see them, right?
Or when we see them, that they're very hidden.
And on top of that, if this is reverse-engineered technology,
which I would think it is, most of it points in that direction,
then the technology, the entities, whatever entities
they are, demons, angels, aliens, whatever, if they have these capabilities, then they
are also so advanced that they can easily cloak themselves from us, right? I think judging from history, ancient history and the accounts
that we have of interactions with these beings, if they are real, they are incredibly elusive
and have clearly far superior technology and powers than we have. So keeping them hidden from us shouldn't be that hard.
I mean, folklore is full of stuff.
So do you think we captured any of them or have any at like Osweil or 501, all these places?
Do you think we have any of them?
No. I think Chuck Schumer put that in the law, I forgot the exact law, but he was speaking
about non-human intelligence, right?
That's where we got the NHI abbreviation from. And you got a lot of talk about NHI interacting with governments.
So, we don't know if they're demonic or not, but it kind of looks like there is also a plan from these NHI to do something with our planet or with us.
It's kind of unclear what the plan is.
Yeah, in my opinion, no one has captured one or is holding one.
That would be like Mario and Mario Land capturing you in the physical world like we we don't have the ability to
to capture a being now do we communicate with them are they do some people have the ability to
control them or uh uh you know that that I think is possible.
And that's what's actually happening.
People are communicating with them.
But I don't think there's this being in some kind of special field
that's being held down or in some cage or something like that.
I mean, in fairness, though, if I went back to 1314
and showed up to the Scottish Battle of Bannockburn
in an F-18 with some rockets,
I could very easily convince people that I'm an alien.
Absolutely.
100%.
Yeah, you could go back with a flashlight
and they would think you're a wizard.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then, you know, any technology that's sufficiently advanced is like
magic as the saying goes. But what I wanted to
finish my earlier point, if there is any cooperation between
NHI and governments at whatever level or in whatever shape or form, then, um,
and if there's one NHI, then the nurse likely multiple NHI because you know,
why, why would there be one NHI?
It doesn't make any sense.
So what if like one species or group or group of entities is biting another
group and all our religious texts say that
there are multiple groups not one group so if one group is allied with particular governments or
all governments or certain governments who yeah who knows then with the help of those you could
take out you know those of the other team so to to speak. Plus also, I think, you know, they want to get us to a certain level of technology and experience.
And they have, you know, clearly, or at least there might very well be sort of like a plan for us to get us to a certain place and to bring
it back to Trump versus the World Economic Forum.
And again, I'm Thomas Messi fan, not either of the others, but I think the World Economic
Forum team who was in control for a very long time they just wanted to put us all in straight jackets
before they released this knowledge into the public realm and i think all the governments
were in that team until kovit made it clear that there would be one winner if they continued playing
that game that would have been the us um And then the whole thing broke apart
into a multipolar de-globalization.
And I think team Trump is trying to speed up disclosure
in order to weaponize it against these other superpowers
who have similar abilities,
because team Trump wants to create a greater america i would say like a very
great america because it will include uh in my view it will include south america north america
greenland uh the whole shebang um and uh and i and i think uh and and i think my
And I think my take on what Trump wants is kind of like Starship Troopers.
That's sort of, I think, where they want to take this.
So you would also need a certain level of disclosure in order to take our current system, our current society, level it up, integrate these new technologies into our society.
You have to disclose it up to a point in order for people to accept these new technologies,
to embrace them, to develop them further, because all of this development,
if it's happening, is happening in secret, which is very ineffective, right?
You want a Manhattan Project where scientists, all scientists,
can help and bring this and take it to the next level.
So you need to sort of controlled disclosure in order to level up, level the entire society up.
But China and Russia are doing the same thing. So you're in a sort of a competition, which is really destabilizing, because as soon
as one starts talking about this and releasing exotic new technologies that shouldn't exist,
you know, that destabilizes the entire thing, but somebody is going to do it.
But you also need to prepare your population for this revelation, which will shock them
to the core.
So it's a very delicate balance.
So we're sort of in a, we're moving from a stable situation, or no, it's not stable anymore,
but we were moving from a stable situation and you're going to a chaotic period in between
to a new stable equilibrium.
But to get from point A to point B is going to be very, very dangerous and very chaotic and destabilizing. And yeah, that doesn't answer the question if they are demonic or not demonic.
I'm agnostic on that.
When people say...
I think that kind of...
When just a quick question.
When we say that the government has, you know,
like an interest in not exposing this stuff,
government is humans.
And we've seen throughout history,
the biggest thing that can like push any group of people,
including the entire group of people, which is all
earthlings. The thing that would push people forward the most would be being united against
some other cause, right? Or some other group. And so to me, if we knew aliens existed,
and we even had a 10% or 1% worry that they could be hostile towards us,
would it not make sense if you were in the government
and you knew this to go,
okay, I feel a duty to whistleblow
and let the rest of humans know
there are aliens and we need to gear the fuck up.
And all the time we're spending building McDonald's
and all the other stuff humans like,
we should be diverting a big portion of our resources
to space force, to moon bases,
to building defenses around Earth,
to being prepared for this.
Just think about it though.
So let's say that we've just got the vanilla versions of aliens, right?
They're not super natural.
They're not demonic.
They're just technologically advanced.
And let's say that we have a government that's realized that this is the case.
But the nature of the alien threat is that, you know, we're like, let's say that we're being monitored or some like there's some interest shown in humanity
maybe because we're developing technology very fast and we might become a threat
if we start acting like a threat or first of all society itself if we were told that like we're
some kind of like cattle planet or with some kind of like you know like ring fence planet that is
being monitored by some higher power
people would lose their mind and then secondly if we then take that information and start building
all kinds of hostile installations the aliens might just go oh these guys are arming up let's
just go and wipe them out um like it's the same mentality is like if you you know if you like
notice some people off in the distance and they're kind of like, you know, hanging out, you don't really need to worry about them.
You may just skirt around them.
But if they start acting hostile towards you and, you know, you have a weapon, perhaps you'll draw the weapon and that increases the chance that something's going to go catastrophically wrong.
I think and given the information asymmetry here, like we've already discussed that for whatever reason,
we can't really see them,
or we can't get full information about what they are
for whatever reason.
They're certainly better armed and more technologically advanced
than we are.
And so given that, why would we display hostile
or defensive intent in the face of that?
Because we'd be getting into a situation that we couldn't win.
It would be a pretty wild move.
Yeah, I think this is like the wrong way to look at things.
The reason that we're not banding together,
we're not banding together that if all the governments know about this and and are worried
about aliens existing why aren't we like banding together and you know finding ways to defend
ourselves is because the governments of the world have always been in cahoots with these beings and so and and all the governments have in whatever like in current
in current times you know have uh different agencies that kind of study these things and
and have uh private budgets etc but you know previous to like our civilization it was just a normal thing you know within the
the culture and people probably worship these beings but like modern time like why aren't we
bending together it's because they're in cahoots with them they they learn from them they communicate
with them uh they are not enemies of the government they're they're enemies of mankind they're just
like the government is in many cases an enemy to mankind so um that's that's why but could that
change uh could the narrative on that change yeah i think so like if they need a distraction then you would see them come out and
say hey alien invasion we need to band together we need to unify as a as a global community
because of the aliens now i could see a scenario like that playing out but as it stands now their government and these beings are,
the way I see it, in cahoots.
That's why we're not defending against them.
I think Guy was- Yeah, thank you.
The two areas I wanna cover,
definitely responding to the fire Jack brought way earlier, was, let me see.
I got three things written down.
with what Joe, what converted him to believing that this was a spiritual experience, not
extraterrestrial biological entities, was first one that he ignored, then two, then three.
Now, if you go to stopalienabduction.com, there's over 100 people who said, this is my name.
I was being abducted by aliens.
I called out on Jesus.
I rebuked them.
And now they don't come for me anymore.
When every other field of UFO research says you are paralyzed by superior technology,
there's nothing you can do.
Those counselors say you have to learn
to live with it in a positive light
or you agreed to this in a past life.
It's for humanity's good.
What Joe is good at saying is
the measurable, observable, repeatable evidence.
He is unique in all of ufology.
He brings evidence to every talk.
People with their stories. My life was changed because I was being abducted by aliens. They
impregnated me and took the child is what they believe. It's an illusionary experience. It's
like a biblical vision. But anyway, they had me hooked and Jesus set me free. That's evidence they
hate, but it is the only thing in the entire
field of ufology that is measurable, observable, and repeatable. It's called the scientific method.
As far as back engineering, Jack, you made a good case. My one-hour Roswell 1947 crash lecture
proves that it was all man-made. Everything we call back engineering from Roswell and from other
alien craft, I disprove it in under an hour.
I've given the talk over 10 times.
You can see it at alienstranger.com.
When I say 10 times, half a dozen times in Roswell,
and then I've been flown to Philadelphia, Nashville, and Orlando to UFO meetings
like MUFON and New Age Conferences.
Guys, can you give us some examples of how you,
just some like a story of a couple of ways you did that it's man-made?
Yeah.
I guess not man-made.
Yeah.
I said earlier in the program,
Google Nazi UFOs and Operation Paperclip.
You'll sell yourself on the story.
I show the actual Nazi technology that they were developing.
And then on PowerPoints, I put it side by side with what the Roswell witnesses from the Army Airborne 509 drew.
And it's the mean. It's the same picture.
Corporate needs you to identify the difference between what the Roswell witnesses drew and what the Nazis had operational in 1944, but they only had one of them.
And they would have kicked our ass is what CIA historian says.
If Hitler had six more months to bring these into prototypes, into production, Nazi UFOs, Operation Paperclip, you'll sell yourself.
The bodies, look up the word progeria, rapid aging disease.
Rapid aging disease. Our government had a few kids unwanted by their parents. If you Google symptoms, bald head, large black eyes, thin body, you will get what I since 1932. And I PowerPoint and screenshot all that stuff.
Our government had a few kids unwanted by their parents.
So in an under an hour, I've never been booed.
I thought I was going to be run out of town with torches the first time I did it.
But I've never been booed.
And I've never had anyone in the back of a room saying, yeah, well, you forgot about what about this?
Because no, sir, I did not.
I included it in under an hour.
There's no back.
I think you've definitely
got something with the on the Nazi angle that there was an there's interesting like bit of
history around Operation Paperclip, Admiral Byrd, uh going down to on salads go and a bunch of other
like interesting tidbits there um for those that don't know operation paperclip was the uh basically airlift to get
the nazi scientists out of germany um as berlin was falling and bring them to the us to work for
nasa and also the russians did a similar operation with a different name to take their scientists um
and these these guys founded uh nasa basically as it exists today in a lot of aerospace really interesting because we completely put aside the war crimes
some of these guys used to turn up to work in their German uniforms
for example, they were in no way regretful
of what they did during that time
the government kind of pulled that aside because the technological
weight of what they were bringing was so extreme.
I mean, you can look up examples like DiGlacco, which is this kind of like Nazi bell looking thing that they allegedly made that kind of is some kind of prototype of a UFO or something.
And then you get stories like Admiral Byrd, right?
Admiral Byrd, right? So Admiral Byrd was a US Navy admiral that led a carrier fleet down to Antarctica
and down to the southern tip of South America, pursuing the Nazis that fled after World War II.
Allegedly, he went to, he was pursuing them off the tip of South America.
He went to Antarctica.
The Nazis had bases there in an area called New Schwabenland,
which is like basically a bit of Antarctica that they carved out for themselves.
So he went to pursue that base.
The carrier group got his ass kicked and he returned to South America to dock and repair the ships.
And he was, as he was disembarking, he was accosted by some local journalists.
And the quote that's now infamous is something like,
the US needs to be prepared to fight aerial vehicles that can fly from pole to pole at great speed.
And this is like a really interesting rabbit hole to go down.
I don't know whether I believe it all, but certainly there's elements of it,
like Operation Paperclip was provable and that's well documented.
But yeah, there's a really weird thing that happened
at the end of the World War.
And there's also a quote, I believe, was from Werder von Braun,
who's the father of modern rocketry and was one of the paperclip scientists.
And the quote is something like,
they asked how the Germans were able to advance the aerospace industry
so rapidly during the 1940s.
And the quote from von Braun was something like,
we had help.
And then if you look at von Braun's tombstone,
there's like a bible
verse on there that talks about the firmament
and stuff which is interesting so there's definitely
like I think
there's a lot of missing pieces
from that period that
we're not told the entire truth about
and probably some of it's relevant to this conversation
that gets
into flat earth is why
it's like parallel similar, but, uh,
I own the domain domed earth. Go there.
Yeah. I'm not saying a few years.
This view does not play into UFO research,
but I've realized all the PhDs and all the conferences and all the research
and all the decades, you know, if and all the research and all the decades,
you know, if you just read page one of the Bible, what it says in black and white,
there are no other planets. There are no other aliens. We're done.
Waters above, waters below.
You bet.
Waters below.
Great delusion.
Whether you're a Christian or you're a cult.
Sorry about that.
Also, when you look at the Nazis, because the Nazis are a very interesting group,
because they had a lot of supernatural preoccupations.
You've got the Frail Society, the Two Society.
Like Jack just mentioned, I think Werner von Braun was one of the directors of the Marshall Space Flight Center at NASA.
So he was like immediately when they sort of, you know,
adopted him via Operation Paperclip, he became a high level operative in America.
And he worked alongside the Jews that fled Nazi Germany, right?
So many of the Jews that came to America in order to escape the Nazis, you know, started, had to work with SSers and high,S to the CIA. They adopted like a huge chunk of Nazi officials into the CIA.
Paperclip?
Wasn't that Operation Paperclip?
No, no.
Operation Paperclip was like more of the scientist.
And like Jack said, the Soviets had like their own Operation Paperclip
that the Soviets had their own operation paperclip
under a different name.
under a different name.
But you got the famous book on Dulles,
The Devil's Chessboard,
which is really a must-read book if you haven't read it.
And there they sort of explain how a lot of these
Gestapo Nazi intelligence officers were,
just dropped into the CIA.
They became a very important wing of the CIA.
Via Dulles, who played a critical part in getting all those people into the CIA
and reforming the CIA.
But the Nazis, they had a real preoccupation with Atlantis.
I mean, that's where TOOL comes from.
And I mean, they didn't explicitly believe in UFOs.
I mean, that's true.
But they did have, like, they believed in the force,
you know, people like Blavatsky and the Vril society, they believed in all these sort of supernatural, paranormal, occult things.
And you could also explain the Nazi national socialism as a reaction
to Soviet communism or socialism as a fear of this sort of occult society
within Nazi Germany, that they were afraid of communism,
because communism has a tendency to destroy religion and the supernatural.
They saw themselves as ultra rationalist, even though they kept a lot of these paranormal programs
themselves.
But it kind of seems also that the Nazis
were afraid against this sort of uber rational communist
framework that if it was adopted within Germany,
it would stamp out all the occult groups that were there.
So it was sort of almost also like an allergic or a reaction against that threat from the east.
But my point is within the Second World War, you had Foo Fighters,
and the Foo Fighters were these light, ball lightning kind of phenomenon that was flying between
German planes and US planes and disturbing both groups at the same time and nobody knew what they
were. And there were some high up Nazi officers who did research, which has been later revealed into this Foo Fighter phenomenon and
they reported that these Foo Fighters could reach speeds of spacecraft speeds right that they
that they were basically spacecraft is what they were arguing and you've got this person
And you've got this person who recently had a peer-reviewed study.
Her name is Beatrice Pillerol, if I pronounce her name right.
And she's an astrophysicist.
I think she's from Uppsala University in Sweden.
She's an assistant professor at Theoretic physics in Stockholm. And she showed
that there are millions of things in the sky that are
captured on plates that are, you know, surrounding our planet, if
if there is a planet, I'm of the group that we live on the planet,
there is a planet, I'm of the group that we live on a planet,
which don't show up in other plates.
And so she has put out this peer reviewed paper
that there are things in space that were there in the millions
before we launched Sputnik,
before Sputnik was launched.
And that there was also a coverup
where a lot of these, which is also proven,
I forgot the name of the guy who destroyed the place,
but he was very high up in NASA.
And clearly, at least I think the Nazis
didn't go out into space, let alone launch millions of satellites.
But maybe I'm wrong.
So what are those?
And what are the full fighters?
What are all these things?
And what were the Nazis trying to accomplish?
Because I think also when you look at the Second World War, it's
very interesting how it began, right? Because one of the reasons that the allies came into
the war was also because I think it was Germany that invaded Norway. And the official story is that they wanted to invade Norway because of whale oil and butter.
I think it was those two things.
And eventually, of course, the Nazis did invade Norway.
And that was sort of the trigger for the entire thing.
That was sort of the trigger for the entire thing.
But apparently, they also went all the way to Antarctica
in order also to get whale oil.
In order not to have to invade Norway,
they went all the way down to Antarctica to get it,
which doesn't make any sense at all.
That's sort of in contradiction to each other especially
since they then invaded Norway anyway so so I think the whole sort of uh when you go to Wikipedia
like why did they invade Norway and you look at the reasons that are given for Nazi Germany to
invade Norway doesn't make any sense at all and uh and apparently the uk was planning to invade norway anyway if if
the germans didn't do it because they were afraid that the germans were going to do it anyway in
norway was too important to the allies to for for germany to get their hands on so the whole
norway thing is very interesting and i think i think that the Second World War was probably started
because the Nazis went to Antarctica.
Well, on the subject of Antarctica,
did you see what happened with Buzz Aldrin when he went to Antarctica?
He had a crazy episode.
He sent a picture of a pyramid,
and he said that he saw the face of evil
and that we're all in grave danger.
It's crazy. Yeah. There was a sort of a pushback against it or a cover-up that they, I think later on they sort of claimed that that was fake news and that,
I don't know how they spun it, but they sort of discredited the story.
I have to look it up.
There's pyramids everywhere.
People think pyramids are just in Egypt, but there's pyramids all throughout North and South America.
It's all around the world.
There's all kinds of similar structures.
One thing that I think is very, very very interesting about anarcha is you have
all the countries of the world in agreement that you can't go there you know like we can't agree
on on the most things but all the countries in the world can definitely agree that you shouldn't
go to antarctica and that it's illegal um yeah but i gotta i gotta go, guys.
I'm actually a little late for a call.
Rock, are you still
good to keep going?
I think we could probably call it here. We've been going
almost a few hours.
We also have a
call coming up.
I don't know if you see it
on your calendar, but just throwing that out there.
Link in my bio, alienstranger.com.
And in my bio on X is actually my whole longer resume.
The answer, Guy, how long have you been in this?
Thanks for hosting and all the work.
Everybody's showing up.
You guys are brilliant.
Yeah, much love guy and um i for some reason can only see nerd girl and jack but uh bitcoin what
what is uh i can't see bitcoin the other person yeah bitcoin live you're you're not on the panel
on my screen brother but it's you know been a pleasure talking to you as well bitcoin live db is nick
yeah that's my handle yeah send me a follow so i can follow you back i can't see you on the panel
but it's been a pleasure talking to all of you guys and very very interesting like this is
probably one of those topics that we could talk hours
and hours and hours, and I'd be happy
to have one of those
conversations someday, especially if we all meet each
other.
July 2nd, Joe and I are going
to be bringing the fire again.
One-two punch, we call it.
We're on the front page of paper for
two or three times that we've done it.
We get coverage.
It's like the, why are they releasing the demonic thing?
It's like it's a thing.
You have to deal with it.
So here you are.
And then everybody goes back.
That was very nice, Mr. Malone.
But we've got T-shirts to sell now.
It's about the money, stupid.
That's what I face here.
Good times.
Yeah, there's a whole lot more coming out from government too.
And so we're,
we'll have to have another space soon to dive into whatever comes out in
May.
And,
and I'm sure we'll hear more from other politicians over the next six
months.
Oh yeah.
Yeah,
you will.
And I just hate what Jack was saying about all the media and the government and where there's
smoke, there's fire.
He made a really good point.
But like you said, Aztec, we're Bitcoiners, we don't trust the government.
And Jack, everything you described is what we call FUD.
When the media, the banks, and the government are in that degree of coordination, it's called
FUD.
They got something up their sleeve.
There is an agenda. I think most of the truth tellers are most of what's called whistleblowers now. All they're saying is I was in a meeting, I was shown, I was told. We're in an age where anything can be created in a lab now.
of us can be shown evidence that we cannot refute of a body or a craft and there's supernatural
technologies getting involved in everyday stuff now uh my position now is you have to know what
you believe before they pull the delusion it's in the bible god will send a grand illusion to those
that were ai's coming ai's here too now yeah can i can i can add one last thing and then by the way i really enjoyed the
space and really nice to meet you guys um but i think also like if it's if it is true and we
actually see it we wouldn't even believe it it would be so ridiculous and so beyond our comprehension
that they you know that they don't even have to hide it because we couldn't even comprehend what we're witnessing.
Much love, everybody. We'll do something again sometime.
Come see us. Alienresistance.com is the event.
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We are the only people that are showing actual evidence for what we are saying.
We are not saying I was in a meeting and I was shown photographs like they are.
They're not bringing the evidence.
We are.
If I could have one last 30 seconds to comment.
Everybody, one thing that would be really interesting for everybody to look up is look up the 1561
nuremberg phenomenon which was basically documented in local newspapers at the time but like hundreds
of people in europe saw what what i can only describe as a ufo battle of nuremberg with
crash craft and all different drawings and paintings at the time pretty crazy probably one of
the um best documented ancient ufo uh not ancient but old ufo stories um and there's you know so
that that's kind of uh to give you something to research after this space but it's been a pleasure
everybody thank you jack can you can you uh do you have a link to that that you could dm me
uh there's there's actually a book uh wonders in the sky from chak valet and it's one of the the
things that he talks about so in wonders of the sky he goes through the ages uh and uh and he covers all these ancient and early modern, yeah, what do you call it?
Sightings?
Yeah.
Sightings, that's the word.
Of the MDRs tech.
Jacques Vallée is a UFO researcher.
Steven Spielberg based the character of the scientist Lacombe on
in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
You guys are quoting that guy.
Incredible.
Much love.
Got it.
I got the links.
Panda, you DM me or you sent a message.
What is this?
What are you asking?
That is cool.
Okay.
All right, man. I'll just answer async to that but i didn't understand
exactly but uh yeah much love everyone rock do you want me to shout people out or
sure yeah so much love everyone we do this every friday there's all, you never know what you're going to get into obviously today. Um, really interesting conversation last week we did
Litecoin meta. Um, and I don't know what next week is, but, uh, you, you never know what you're
going to get into what kind of conversations we usually talk about blockchain. However,
we dive into other topics to to to bring more people into the
blockchain space in some way we usually try to uh red pill you know other topics we didn't really
get into blockchain much here we actually could have uh there is a crossover with blockchain ai
and aliens but uh that's a whole other conversation for another time um but yeah great to see
a lot of familiar faces here treasure good bitcoiner friend of mine i know him all the way
back from the polygon days um king dank kush another great buddy um let's see gray's currency
good to see you here it looks like there's a there's an alien currency in the the audience he bought what's up bro digital fellow
what's up man good to see you again
Sally Maddox chainsaw while it great the grace the grace currency is a pulse chain
Coin, isn't it?
A pulse chain
Oh, okay
That's cool, I hear a lot of people
Well, I've seen
I've been on tech talking about pulse chain
A lot recently
I haven't heard anything for a while
Then I've been on tech
Talking about pulse chain
Interesting to see um how john
what is it it's the way ivan on text says pulse chain he says it like pulse
oh yeah he got that accent yeah good times uh let's see soldorado.soul
got some Solana family here
annoyed
granny
let's see
renegade jpeg
Patrick what's up bro
long time friend
Brock do you see some buddies
you want to shout out
yeah we got
Rohit.
Did we say Digital Fellow?
Rainbow.
Sam.
Chris.
We've got Diraj.
Jessica.
Vikram.
Shahana.
Maxi
Zeus
Noor, Oscar
Ifen, Cake
Eddie, Marcelo
Jant, MRKK
Magnus
Rowan, Franco
We could
read some comments real quick here
Let's see We could read some comments real quick here.
Let's see.
Nerd girl, be like, you can't handle the truth.
Leroy J says, okay, crypto taking us through social beings.
One.
It says, imagine aliens watching us Dey and tiktok they probably confuse
wolf says hey chat hey wolf jordan says like and baby king dang bush says look
forward to the space today uh and put a jif the guy said aliens with the wear uh Greg.E says Rocket was blind, but now I see, says praise the Lord.
Joseph decided to determine the truth, find a Bible or Bible-believing Christian,
read Romans 10.9, then he has returned from death to life.
Congratulations, the message is in the Lord.
Dog Care Daily 29 says what's up, guys, with a capital G.
Olufawemikalif
says, good point, CryptoCircle.
We can't outright trust reports and suggestions
from findings of government. Agree with that.
He also says, extraterrestrials
are real. Geological researchers
studied extraterrestrial compounds
contained in the meteorite and confirmed
its origin beyond our atmosphere.
And Zach23 says, no, God, Jesus Christ, our greatest king for sure.
Wavephenum posted some weird video.
Maya posted a link that I don't know what it is. And another person posted a link that I don't know what it is
and another person posted a link that I don't know what it is.
Alright guys, I think we're good for today.
Let's go.
Thanks for having me.
Much love.
See you guys next Friday.
Cheers everyone.
Thanks everybody.
Bye.
Bye bye. cheers everyone thanks everybody bye bye bye
