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Art on Bitcoin Guests🎙@EmilyLazar_SM @uniqueNFT & @Sir_Gadfly ✊🏽🧡
Recorded: April 7, 2025 Duration: 2:10:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a vibrant discussion on the intersection of art and blockchain, speakers highlighted key partnerships, project launches, and the growing trend of integrating diverse art forms into the crypto ecosystem. With significant collaborations and innovative fundraising efforts, the conversation underscored the importance of community and creativity in driving the future of Web3.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. you
welcome to arts on bitcoin on MobiMedia Spaces.
It's amazing to have you all here with us.
I see my friend Emily Lazar, who is a rock star, a musician and artist here joining us.
I'm so excited to talk to her.
I see my friend satributes he's kind of you know
doing a cameo uh you know he's uh he has multiple multiple uh identities and accounts here he's an amazing builder i've known him since clubhouse days um uh's Snoop Toshi, but Satributes, which is a company that you can inscribe your art on Bitcoin.
And I'm really excited to work with him.
I want to thank again, as always, MobiMedia, Noah, the founder of MobiMedia and his old team, they're just amazing to work with.
I've never really had any kind of issues or, you know, I can't say that enough about how I'm so proud to work with them.
He's like a little brother to me.
I know Bazzi, I don't know how that's how you say your name, Gina, but you're laughing. But
yeah, I love Noah. And I want to make MobiMedia a mini or maxi rug radio. know i know farroh i've known farroh and rug radio since
the inception of their um their entity and um obviously uh i feel like mobi media has the same
type of if not more uh of a potential to be an amazing media company here on X and beyond.
And we're working on some cool shit for Bitcoin conference in Las Vegas with MobiMedia.
So stay tuned with that, fam.
fam. But with that said, I want to welcome everyone, please. I always have a difficulty
But with that said, I want to welcome everyone.
with this one because I get too excited and I'm so busy. I come off of like meetings and I'm like,
oh my God, I got to go. It's like one minute beyond, I'm behind one minute for my spaces.
And I forget when I get here to ask everyone, please, to retweet this space and comment so that we he was super, you know, there are big, big players in this space.
You know, the MobiMedia, the Aquarium, you know, they have a huge following and they've been contributing to this space for a long time.
space for a long time. And for me, uh, I got to know, you know, Noah and his team through my
friend, Nima proof of Nima. I have to shout him out. He's not here, but I like to give credit
where it's due, you know? And, uh, one night we were talking with Noah and he's like, I'm so tired,
man. I mean, this guy works 24 seven. I'm in Pacific time in California. And he's like, I'm so tired, man. I mean, this guy works 24 seven. I'm in
Pacific time in California. And he's like, I don't know where he is, but let's say Eastern
time. I don't want to like docks. But, you know, it was late at night, 12 o'clock my time. So it
was very late. And he's like, Hey, I, you um you know I'm so tired I can't think of a space
for tomorrow and these guys charge for uh and rightfully so we all should charge for our time
time is our most precious commodity and for the longest time Emily and uh Gatfly. I thank you for joining, by the way, Gadfly. And, you know, Satributes,
which is also known as Snoop Toshi. It's going to be difficult to like go between those two.
But we've known each other almost since Clubhouse days, right? And, you know, everyone knows that
I've been like the pro bono Jerry Maguire of the artists. I've been just trying
to help artists as much as I can. I've been trying to help brands on board like Time Magazine,
Forbes, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, you know, like, you know, all the big entities like Super Rare.
I'm getting Super Rare on board with Ordals um and uh you know from the clubhouse
days i got you know open sea uh you know known origin uh unfortunately god rest their soul uh
you know uh origin protocol and and uh maker's place which you know uh it's been an amazing experience for me
to be able to uh little old me be able to work with two and forbes magazine so like i work with
so many amazing artists and brands and i won't stop but I feel like at this point I'm super
grateful and satisfied to just be where I am and continue to build with the right people
and I see my friend Shadi down there I want to invite her to come up and speak because, you know, this place, I said it from the beginning in Clubhouse
and Snoop and Emily, those that know me from Clubhouse, they know that I always said,
this is the time for artists. The backbone of Web3 is built on the back of the artist's shoulders.
So I want to make sure that I always empower artists like Emily, you know, and Gadfly and builders like Satributes and Snoop Toshi who are just here to build cool shit because they care about art.
They care about technology and i've been around technology
since 1982 um you know and uh since before the internet era so um i feel like uh very privileged
to be able to have this kind of uh opportunity to shed, you know, information.
And, you know, I think Einstein says that the rent we pay in this,
by being a resident of this, you know, earth or world is sharing our knowledge.
our knowledge and that's what I'm doing here and thanks to Noah and Mobi Media and you know
And that's what I'm doing here.
the aquarium and whale coin talk for allowing me to have this platform so with that said I want to
go ahead and first ladies first as always my real good friend sister now we've known each other for almost four and a half five years
since clubhouse days emily lazar who i'm gonna start you know again i'm trying to do these things
i'm not very good at uh pinning stuff on the while i'm talking but i I want to allow Emily is an amazing creator
and a singer of September Morning.
And she's a writer and creator of Top Cow.
She does the image comics.
I mean, it's amazing how many things she does.
She's on Go Gala Music.
She's on tour right now, if I'm not mistaking.
And she's going to soon be on Bitcoin. I mean, she's already on Ordnals and Bitcoin,
but we want to get her music on Ordnals and working hard on that. And I just want to introduce her first.
So Emily, welcome, GMGM.
Thank you for joining us on Art on Bitcoin on MobiMedia.
GMGM, thank you, Payment.
I mean, it's, God, we've known each other five years.
That's crazy.
That's wild.
So wild that we've been in the space that long.
And thank you, MobiMedia, for hosting the space and being such a great part of the community and bringing such knowledge to everybody.
It's really important to have communities like you out here doing positive things.
So thank you so much for hosting this and being part of all this.
Yeah, I'm on tour right now.
We had our first week of tour, guys, and we're on
with a band called Cold. If you know anything about rock music and you were around for rock
music in the 2000s, you probably remember Cold. They had a couple of big albums and they saw us
on a festival last year and they were like, hey, you guys are really good. You want to come out
for a tour next year? And we're like, okay, Cold. Because they're like, you know, kind of like OGs in rock and roll.
So we're like, sure, we'll go out with you. We're a much heavier band than they are, but it's a lot
of fun playing to their crowds and kind of like, you know, seeing how they react to us. And we're
very theatrical. As Payman said, I write comic books.
My whole band is based on a graphic novel
called September Morning, which is the name of the band.
And I play on stage the main character
and the guys in the band play the other characters.
And we kind of bring the story to life on stage
through music and through comic book art
and animation all on stage.
And the story is basically about a human reaper hybrid,
first of her kind, who can give life, take lives, like take souls,
but also give souls a second chance at life by putting their souls
into other people's bodies.
And in doing so, she kind of messes with Fate,
who's like the creator of the universe.
And Fate sends all these reapers after her.
And it's this big epic battle between the living and the dead. So if you're into fantasy-based
comic books and stuff like that, then you'll probably really dig it. It's on Image Comics,
Top Cow Comics, and my business partner in the comic book world is Mark Silvestri, who's a legend
himself, one of the first people to draw Wolverine,, you know, the founder of Image Comics, which is really important,
actually, when you're talking about Web3, because Web3 is all about creator-based and creator-owned
things and perpetuating creator-based IP. And Image Comics was the first comic book company
to actually launch that was creator-owned IP. So when you went to image,
you use their distribution channels and all this sort of stuff and promotion, but you actually
owned your IP. You kept the IP. Marvel, DC, all these other comic book companies would take your
IP, you know, in exchange for, you know, signing you and very much like the music business does.
But they said, fuck that. And a lot of the big guys like Todd McFarland and Mark and like a bunch
of guys left those big comic book companies and started Image, founded Image. And it was like,
you know, a big fuck you to the comic book world. And people were like, holy shit. And then all of
a sudden it took off. It became the third biggest comic book company in the world
behind Marvel and DC.
And it remains there to this day.
And there's something to be said about owning your IP
and really manifesting it and creating it
and putting it into existence and really building it yourself
and not relying on other forms of already popularized media
to kind of boost you and stuff like that.
Just doing it yourself.
It's a slower road.
It's not as rewarding sometimes, but it is rewarding in the end to see what you've done
and what you've created become larger than life, if you can make it so.
So keep on believing in that.
And yeah, i've been in
web3 for years now um first female rock metal musician to mint and sell an nft bought my first
bitcoin in 2014 um sold it during the pandemic because i need money for the band unfortunately
but um but in in the meantime in between time, I've collected 3,000 plus collectors across 11 platforms and sold a bunch of NFTs.
And I use them as ticketing for my meet and greets on tour.
And so if you own one, you can come to those for free anywhere, anytime, any show.
And yeah, we're just trying to bridge between Web3 and Web2.
And that's kind of a summary of what I I've done besides talking at Harvard and a bunch of
other things like that on different stages.
But yeah, I've done, I've done a bit.
Don't underestimate yourself.
That's what I want to say.
It's like, you're a rock star.
You're a legend besides the fact that you're a friend, i just feel like you know when i first met you in clubhouse
and snoop knows that or satributes accounts if by the way please follow if you haven't already
you know uh retweeted the space please retweet the space i'm going to be more vigilant about asking people. There's about 120 people in here and we have 15 retweets. Now 14. Whoever just untweeted that retweet,
that's bad. But no shaming here. We don't need that. We don't need the retweets.
We don't need the retweets. This space, honestly, if you look at the past spaces, it's crazy to me that an art on Bitcoin space that just started a few months ago is getting on average about 6,000 to 7,000 active listeners. listeners and i get the um and i need to be more vigilant about responding and everything but you
know i i tried not to be too much on this twitter app because it sucks so much of your energy but
i do get these amazing uh you know messages that hey man i just learned about art on Bitcoin. Thank you so much for the space.
You know, I appreciate you.
And of course, that goes without even like the artists that I empower and spotlight, like Emily and Gatfly and obviously Satributes or better known on the post, Snoop Toshi.
on the post, Snoop Toshi.
But for me, I feel like we really want to connect authentically
with people that resonate and they want to learn.
Because I'm an avid learner.
I'm 55.
I've been in technology since before, internet era.
And I've never stopped learning. and that's why i feel like
this whole thing as an artist and a technology uh you know person is coming full full force
it's coming full circle and i'm super excited for it you know so whoever resonates with that
i appreciate you and whoever doesn, that's all okay.
So Emily, yeah, go ahead.
Let's talk about art on Bitcoin then.
I inscribed a couple of pieces.
You know that because I've shared them with you.
But I inscribed like when ordinals first came out, I was like, oh, wow, this is cool.
This is another use case.
And I really do feel like art is a great onboarding tool.
You know, I mean, people need to feel right.
Emotional, emotional tethers are like super strong, you know, and don't ever doubt that.
Don't ever doubt that.
But that's why music and art is such a powerful tool.
But that's why music and art is such a powerful tool, right?
Right.
But to onboard people in a financial market with a tether like that is kind of like this new worldy, you know, to me.
And it's really inspirational.
So we went ahead and took some of our September Monsters that were never minted on ETH.
And we just inscribed them on ordinals below the, I forgot what block it was, but it's early blocks.
And I've never sold them.
I just kind of like sat there with them because they're pretty special to me.
I gave like a bunch to the guy that inscribed them for me.
And he kind of ended up flipping them in the market last year.
ended up flipping them in the market last year but but um but yeah it like uh it it was like
something that i just wanted to do because i just wanted to be part of the community that was moving
this forward and using art as an onboarding tool i thought that was really important um because
being an artist myself obviously so um and i'm really excited to bring music, to metal music,
to Bitcoin. It's a little bit harder than bringing like maybe, you know, something that's a little
bit softer, like singer-songwriter or anything that has like less guitars. As Snoop Toshi knows,
because he's been trying to help me on this and we've been going back and forth on all of this for quite a while now.
I've been sending him the stems of our song. We have this one song that is a really heavy song
that I wanted to inscribe on ordinals and I sent it to Snoop Toshi and it's like 140 tracks.
I'm sure he was like, what am I supposed to do with all this?
And, you know, you try to like compress and compress and compress and compress.
At a certain point, it's just like you can't even tell what the song is at a certain point.
So, you know, shout out to Snoop for hanging in there with us and trying to figure out a way to really make this happen and make it sound legible and not like a, you know, jumble of noise.
But yeah, we're really working hard on that.
And like I said, I think that there's lots of different genres, lots of different, you know, pieces of art and types of art.
And we need them all. We need them all on Bitcoin. And we need them there because we need to onboard people with an emotional tether because I think that's going to really solidify their love of blockchain and this tech.
And we need them all.
We need them all on Bitcoin.
And understanding that it can do more than one use case. It's more than a financial instrument. It's a way of giving freedom to artists in a certain way.
It's a way of giving freedom to artists in a certain way. And, you know, we've lost that, especially in the music community. We've lost that so much with tech and Spotify and streaming them to have more of a financial viability
that they've lost for so many years. So a big shout out to everybody building
in the space and building on Bitcoin. And I couldn't agree with you more. And
you know, one thing I want to say is if you are into crypto and if you're into the mother chain, which is Bitcoin, and of course, we all know what's happening in the real world with all these tariffs.
And I don't want to take sides on the political agenda, but, you know, Bitcoin has held its ground.
I mean, even though it's gone down a little bit.
But I saw a post the other day by an artist that said,
famous artist friend of mine, and I forgot.
I'm not going to mention the name.
But it said something to the fact that if you're not buying art on Bitcoin,
you're missing out because you don't know the value it will have down
the line and I see you Emily obviously and by the way that's you know
attributes or Snoop Toshi I'm gonna have to just like you know refer to him
as one entity because you know it seems like you know George refer to him as one entity because, you know, it seems like, you know, George on Seinfeld
referring to a third person. But he even knows Seinfeld's references. That's awesome.
But, you know, you talked about you, you know, be trying to get you onto the Bitcoin blockchain and ordinals.
And the great thing about this community and Gatfly,
I can't wait to get to talk to you and obviously to Satributes and, you know, is that he even like, you know,
when you have good people in this space,
they're not looking out for themselves.
They're here to add value. And I hope I'm one
of those people. And if you know me for the last five years, I've only helped artists and builders
build. I'm an artist and musician, creative director. However, I felt my calling right away that it was bigger than me.
This place is not just about one person.
This is about all artists from all over the world.
I was just having a great conversation earlier with Eka, who is an amazing artist on Bitcoin.
I met her in Paris at Ordnance and NFT Paris.
in Paris at Ordnors and NFT Paris. And, um, you know, we were talking about manifesting,
manifesting like positivity and like, that's the kind of energy that I want to, you know,
you know, associate myself with. And so like Satributes is a platform that allows you to, you know, put your art on Bitcoin,
on like inscribe your work on ordinals.
However, when you and I reached out to whatever his name is, he said,
hey, BeatBlock seems to be a better, yes, I'm not going to name your name, but BeatBlox is a better fit perhaps for Emily, because they've created this awesome technology that is going to allow artists like yourself, myself, as a musician, I't even you know compare myself with you emily
you're a queen i'm just you know just a whistling melody maker and a pianist but uh you know we are
all one of one original artists and someone like satributes and snoop toshi who is you know the
founder of satributes coming to you and say hey no instead
of using my platform go ahead and work with these other competitors because they have a better
technology for compression and i don't even know why like what it was but he recommended that and
so that for me we have a saying in farsi par which means your flag has risen higher for respect for you.
And every time I talk to Satributes, I almost named his name.
And, you know, Snoop Toshi, it makes me so proud that I've gotten to know him from, you know, the early days, just like you, Emily.
And that the fact that is that he's just trying to further the space and he's not just one type of builder.
I mean, he I mean, he's going to get hopefully his chance to talk after I shut up and introduce Gadfly.
But, you know, he's building so much amazing technology that I'm so proud of.
And I'm just, you know, just at all at what he's capable of.
So, Emily, thank you so much for sharing.
Emily, feel free.
I posted so many things up there as I'm not very good at. And I actually don't want to say very good at and put myself down because that's part of being an original. You do what you can and you surround yourself with people that can add a value to what you're doing. And that's why I'm, I'm, I'm here.
So please, Emily puts, um, you know, your, you know, your artwork was shown in, uh, Lisbon on
one of the biggest, largest, uh, platforms in NFC summit on Ordnance Lisbon. Um, you know,
Summit and Ordnose Lisbon. You know, our friend's attributes was there. My work, which, you know,
I'm an artist and musician myself, was not shown on that large 65 foot industrial size, you know,
you know, uh, screen. However, when I saw your work, when I saw my friend, um, Amber Vittoria's
work, when I saw Gatfly's work and others like, uh, you know, forever curious, which, you know,
I go way back with her. She's not in the space, but I got to give her shout out because she
started with me helping us with the curation work that I've been doing all
over the world way back in June of 2021 I got excited and I started videoing
filming with my camera and I think I send it to you but you know it's been showing in paris it's been shown at you know uh bitcoin nashville
same as gadfly so let's go to gadfly emily please go ahead and pin more stuff up on the top
gadfly same thing i'm while you introduce yourself i'm gonna pin some of your artwork
including the dope work that you reposted about this space
about arts on bitcoin catfly gmgm welcome my brother hey good morning can you guys hear me
am i um let me see loud and clear oh groovy okay sometimes it doesn't pour through so
yeah good morning everyone welcome from northern california up in the gold country
i'm honored to be here i want want to build off of what Emily had said.
You know, you haven't sold your work and that's a good thing.
I really don't think that the market has any clue of the value of it.
And I'm going to share a little story that's going to give a little bit of perspective and kind of influence some of the things that I'm doing. I haven't sold much of
my work at all. I've been honored to be a part of the Gamma Partner Program since day one. I was
the first batch that went in there and had the first sellout that sold out instantly, that hoodsy
piece. And I love the print edition. I love when you can do a cool one-of-one. My work all has
intention and purpose.
And I happened to go to,
I don't know if you were there, Paimon,
but I went to NFT San Francisco back in 2022.
And this is before I even,
before ordinals wasn't even a thing.
And at that conference, there was a woman named,
let me think what her name was.
It was Stephanie. I think it was Stephanie J. And she was from eBay. And she was new. She had come over from Walmart. And she made this announcement that eBay had just bought Known Origin.
That was kind of cutting edge.
And their strategy is huge.
And the big players, like eBay has all of the on-ramps in every continent on the planet for fiat to bring you in and take you out.
And her perspective was that eBay is the most trusted, respected, largest community.
I believe it's 135 million active users per day for physical collectibles.
And they are scratching the surface on digital collectibles.
So eBay is kind of...
did i just lose him or did everybody lose him did i did you guys lose me sorry about that
yeah um yeah you're back sorry um i'm up in the mountains so so ebay um stephanie was sharing with
the audience and this was the first ever n San Francisco and it actually went kaput.
They didn't do it in 23 and they didn't do it again in 24.
And it was phenomenal conference.
I met a ton of people there,
but basically eBay is number one in physical and they want to be number one in
the digital space and they have the, and she wants to leverage that.
And eBay also partners with PayPal.
There's crypto on-ramps.
But the one thing that's holding everyone back
is regulation.
And I'm hoping that with this pro-crypto administration
that there are thousands of corporations
that are just waiting for a playbook to hand to the
accountants and hand to their legal and hand over to here. And I think this is going to blow up.
And I think that, you know, the Ebays, the known origins, you know, there's a lot of people in the
starting blocks ready to go full blast ahead and nobody wants to break the law. And eBay's a large company.
And I'm sure there's many other players like eBay.
But I just wanted to share that little tidbit
from having been to that conference.
I tried to find a video of that conference.
And there was a lot of power players there.
But I just wanted to share that little tidbit of, you know, that, again, it sounds so
trite, but we say that we're early, and I really do think that we are extremely early. So I'll just
start with sharing that. And again, to the whole normie thing that you're talking about, I do
believe the same thing, that, you know, art is the onboard. You know, art will, you know art is the on board you know art will you know bring more people into the space
um and it's not just art you know it's you know on blockchain it's it lives forever the the the
parent-child aspect of it the proof of time you know no middlemen you know taking charge of your
life um and yeah i'm i'll leave it at that for now. I love everything you said. And it's
interesting you say about eBay. You know, obviously, I'm, you know, as you know, just like
you, I'm from NorCal. And I grew up in the dot com boom. And even before that, as I mentioned, I'm not afraid to say I'm 55 and I feel like I'm 12.
I have an 18 year old who's going off to college, but I act much more immaturely than her.
And I have more of a childlike heart because I feel like you stay young.
Age is just a number. It's just like a mindset that you have. And my mindset is, you know, being a lifelong learner and technology and
art are two amazing combinations that have captured my attention since I was a kid, you know?
And so, you know, although I never really got into coding
and I was just talking to an artist, like I mentioned,
Eka, who I hosted on the time pieces,
Art on Bitcoin on Friday.
And I think, I'm sorry, Gadfly, you were there.
And, you know, she's an amazing artist, you know,
and she only started making art since 2020.
She was a banker before that.
But what she shared when I met her in Paris at Ordnals and NFT Paris
was that, you know, she got sick and tired of the banking industry and the investment industry.
And she got into art because she started seeing that art healed and allowed her to create her own original vision.
And she started taking, you know, pictures of things that, you know, she found beautiful.
And to me, art is like beauty.
It's in the eye of the beholder.
And I met those guys, by the way,
Gadfly from Known Origin.
They're good friends of mine.
And Emily, you probably remember them.
And Satributes, you probably remember them
from the clubhouse days,
that those guys were prolific.
Known Origin was one of the top, you know, marketplaces in this space
in the heat of 2021, in the bull market.
And they made a lot of artists millionaires,
including friends of ours, Emily and Sat satributes that you know both of us
know and um it's so unfortunate because when and i was talking to them in the back channel i knew
both of the co-founders and i was so happy for them because the founder of ebay is actually a
persian guy pierre i forget his last name but but if you Google him, his first name is Pierre.
And the reason he got into eBay is because his wife wanted to, you know, sell her fur coat or
some sort of item online. And they came up with this idea of eBay. And, um, I don't know if he's
still involved with them, but I certainly remember that. And as a Persian-American, I'm super proud, you know, anytime a Persian is behind something.
But it was really sad for me to see.
I never in my wildest imaginations would have thought that a company that was acquired by eBay would go under.
by eBay would go under and and so but then more recently makers place who you know Craig Palmer
is a great CEO he lives half a mile away from me here in Hillsborough he told me a year ago that
they have plenty of money when others were going on there that're going to be here to stay.
And unfortunately, they folded.
So, but I think at the end of the day, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Can I just, should I just chime in on something?
I think it was, it was, it was interesting in that market because during that time when
they were just popping off, like the, well, NFTs were first, you know, I mean, they were
popping off. So you had like a were first you know i mean they were popping off so you had like
a built-in market that was selling but besides that it was interesting because they were curated
platforms they were like highly highly curated and i think there was something about everybody
wants to get inside the velvet rope sort of situation um nobody wants to buy you until
somebody wants to buy you sort of situation. And I think
that that was very iconic at that time and like really moved those platforms to a place where
they could really shine and excel in a marketplace that was just selling. You had like the OpenSea,
you had that and then you had like those platforms that were just those curated velvet rope platforms.
But I think when those things started to break down, as the market started to break down in itself with the NFTs and everything like that, and stuff shifted to meme coins and where the market went,
I think that was, people were like, oh, well, is this really necessary to have these types of platforms
if we don't have the marketplace to support them?
And so they started shifting their viewpoints and said, oh, we should just, you know, open
it up to more people and this and that and the third.
And they started doing that.
And I've always, I'm not from the tech world.
So like, this is probably more question for you or Snoop or anybody that's more techie than I am.
But I've always, as a musician and as what I've done, it's successful in its own right.
Would it be more successful if I watered it down?
Would it be more successful if I played more into radio music?
Would it be more, probably.
But is that the message that I'm trying to like put out there? Is that what I really want to
do? And is it better just to be the king of a niche market rather than try to like swing for
the fences and be the McDonald's and fail, you know? And I think that like people tend to just
open up things and swing for the fences. And then they more likely than not always fail because it's just those things that were built
in niche markets are meant for niche markets.
And I think that that doesn't get recognized often enough.
So just wanted to propose that to the group.
Maybe people can chime in on that.
No, go ahead.
Yeah, no, I mean, that's a great great that's a great point and gadfly while i was trying to
change and add the name of the guest to the top i had to unmute so i'm gonna let you gadfly by the
way the piece that i pinned on the top and i want to get snoop toshi's attributes voice heard because not only he's an amazing builder and friend,
but I just love listening to him because he has.
And Mal, I see your hand up.
So first, maybe we go to you and then, you know, we go around.
And I invited some other friends like Landy and Elmo and others up to the top.
RG, I see you in here.
Come on up.
Anyone that wants to come up and contribute, please do.
Chappie, I see you down there.
Um, Shadi Jun, I invited you, but it seems like maybe it's too late for you in Italy
to join.
But, um, yeah, no, Emily, you have a great great great points there you know and um they
were competing with open sea and uh you know at the time nifty gateway was really a top platform
they were all like super rare which i'm working with right now to get them to adopt ordinals,
which God willing, it will happen by the time
they just opened their own first, you know,
super rare gallery in New York,
which unfortunately I couldn't go
because I had family obligations.
God fly knows I'm dealing with some,
you know, my elderly parents here and I have a, you know,
teenage kid that is going off to college. But yeah, I mean, I feel like you hit it on the nail
right there on the head. You know, they were competing with some big names, but they were a
big name themselves. And then when you get acquired by ebay that's that's pretty huge you
know so but um mal go ahead go ahead emily and then mal just just real quick yeah you get acquired
by ebay but but what i'm trying to the point i'm trying to make is like these these bigger companies
come in and it happened with music too we had had Warner come in and start Legend or whatever they were starting.
They see the money in the space and they're like, oh my God, money in the space.
So everybody just piles in.
But it's almost like they get blinded by that and they don't understand why it worked.
I always talk about this.
What's the why?
And where is that
coming from and and it's like what is it built around and these these platforms were built around
you know that was built around that velvet rope sort of thing that was built around that like
not everybody can do this you know special people can do this like we curate the type of art that
we really believe in like this is this is like what we see as the future sort of thing.
And, and there's, and I, I know there's a lot of talk in the space about, oh, you shouldn't
gatekeep, you shouldn't gatekeep, you shouldn't gatekeep.
I understand that.
But, but, but there's also like, you know, if, you know, people do playlists on Spotify,
it's gatekeeping in a certain way because they want to hear certain music and they don't
want to hear other music.
So they have every right to be tastemakers. So I think tastemakers in the space is very important.
And I think we lost that a lot throughout the market. And then when these bigger companies
came in, eBay and all these, they look at things like McDonald's, a billion serve. They don't look
at, they're not, they were built in niche markets markets kind of, but not really. They always went for the, for the bigger numbers.
Right. And so for, for me, it's just kind of like, how, how prolific is it to be acquired by a
company that doesn't understand building in a niche market to build in a niche market? Like,
is that really a thing? So, I mean, those are just the questions
I'm posing to the room and maybe some people
can give me some insight on that
because I'm very curious to what you more tech savvy
people think.
Yeah, I absolutely love that you've brought this up
because I feel like it is a critical part
of all of these web3 ecosystems
where a niche element comes in and succeeds and is billowing forward quite strongly and then
a larger corporation comes in and is hoping to simultaneously leverage that momentum,
but also wanting to remove competition
by swallowing it up into itself,
but not understanding the cultural nuances
that these niche markets have,
particularly things with music or art or writing.
All of these creative elements,
it's really difficult for them to grasp the subculture
that has emerged within Web3.
And they're still applying the same tactics often
that a Web2 strategy would entail
without really considering like
that people are quite tired of that.
People are more interested in a decentralized approach,
one that welcomes innovation and creativity and removes siloing,
because that is one of the major sticking points, I find, for a lot of the major corps.
They're still within that habit of siloing departments,
working within hierarchical structures rather than lateral, and really struggling to meet where people are currently.
Like several generations in, having been raised fully on the internet, these old styles are just not really playing into what the future is holding for us. And
unfortunately, their intervention is kind of stuttering us a little bit in that progression,
but not to say that they don't have value, because they obviously have experience and
have been successful in their own right. But in our case now, we have shifted into something that is new.
And if we want to continue to foster all of this innovation and cross-cultural pollination
and all of this wonderful stuff that's been happening globally, I really don't think
that they're in a position to lead in the way that they would hope. And that's okay because they thrive in their own
ecosystem and environment and we thrive in ours. Yeah, I just, I love that. Yeah. Sorry. No,
I just want to build on that because I think you're right. I think it was shocking that eBay
bought Known Origin at the time. And I thought, you know, eBay was very proud to swallow them.
And I thought, you know, eBay was very proud to swallow them. And coincidentally, that woman, Stephanie J from eBay, who came from Walmart, is no longer with eBay. So that roadmap's kind of played out. But the thing that was, you know, about Known Origins is those people cared about the art, you know, and we need more people caring about the art and and it was curated and it wasn't a pfp flipping space
and when you look at these larger behemoths you know i came from you know smaller television
and then i went over to fox and did kids comics in kids tv and directed power rangers and wrote
spider-man and you know when we were at fox and uh well actually we got purchased by saban entertainment
haim saban purchased fox kids to then turn fox kids into a 30-minute commercial for power rangers
um and which was cool you know i mean he kind of knew what he was doing but
you know we we moved into much more corporate structure, and the corporate structure was just like meeting upon meeting upon meeting.
And we'd have these corporate meetings, and the front half of it would be like these, let's throw ideas around to get creative.
Like it was this incubator of like, hey, let's be creative because these people weren't creative.
weren't creative. And they had a handful of creatives like myself and a handful of us
that had come over from the original roots of the creative spark of what was Fox Kids.
And the thing with kids animation, which to me was just so fun. I mean, that was a really
bitchin' chapter of my life was that, you know, with kids' TV and
comics, you have a new audience coming in on a regular basis. So you have 8, 9, 10-year-olds,
and then you have, you know, 14, 15, 16-year-olds moving out of that genre. And the same episodes
of Spider-Man will reconnect with a new audience.
So these new eight, nine, 10 years old.
So that's why, you know, kids animation has such a,
it is so profitable in that world.
And we were always, you know,
even when I was doing X-Men and Spider-Man and Goosebumps and all these
different shows, we had Digimon, we didn't have Pokemon,
but we were always
reinventing the concept because it was always new eyeballs you know much like us you know as we get
older you know we we we will look for everything but kids kind of move like like a stream into that
animated programming and it's always like this new fresh approach to them and um so we would
always have to reinvent it.
We call them generics, and I don't want to derail on that.
But my point is that these larger corporations
that are coming in in the case of eBay taking on Origin,
they fuck it up in a way, you know what I mean?
And they're not creative,
and I'm just palling off of what Maul said, you know, and Emily said, it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, I, as a positive person hoping that they're going to do the right thing, you know, sometimes they just tank them, you know, I mean, and set them aside.
And maybe known origin was, was bought so they could reverse engineer it and then just put it on a shelf.
so they could reverse engineer it and then just put it on a shelf.
My hope is that they'll take it off the shelf when regulation comes into play
and we're going to see some gains.
But I don't know.
I'm just a fucking crazy artist that wants to leave his mark on Bitcoin
and been here since day one.
I'm just really proud.
My art doesn't connect with a lot of people,
you know what I mean?
People, you know, my shit's deep,
you know what I mean?
And, but I make it for me, you know what I mean?
And that's the important thing
and it's hard for me to even sell the art.
So, you know, I respect all the artists
and everyone knows, like,
even email was hitting me off chain.
Like, I have, you know, so many artists in my DMs and we just chat and we help each other.
And so I'm always here.
So again, I always make that pitch to all the artists, you know, to on ramp.
And Paimon and I talked about doing kind of like an old school 2023 chat where we, you know, who knows?
I mean, some people don't even know the damn wallets to use, you know, and I think there's a lot of artists out there that just really need to have their hand held. And I fully believe the more the merrier. I mean, there's a lot of room on Bitcoin, especially the mempool. And I've been saying this, been chiming, if you're an artist, you know, the four makers are out there, you know, and four makers are doable now. You know know there's a lot of platforms that have made that possible and thanks to a lot of people
in the DMS showing me how to do that so even you know you don't even need a
minor anymore to do a four maker you know the infrastructure is out there and
people are building so it's it's it's a great time to be an art
I 100% agree.
And, you know, I am hoping that you're right with your, you know, statement about maybe they're, you know, looking to revamp and come back stronger.
because I really, truly liked Known Origin.
Because I really, truly liked Known Origin.
The two co-founders became good friends,
and they were very, very, they had their right mindset.
You know, they were here for the art.
They were very much not here to pump their own bags.
Hopefully they did get paid.
But I was quite shocked actually after they felt
like you know they made the announcement that they're you know folding but I'm hoping that
you're right and that they would come back stronger because you know eBay has plenty of
money and they do they they could revamp that whole marketplace. And they would be stupid if they didn't, actually.
I'm going to be, like, frank and say that.
Emily and then Mal.
And I want to really hear from Satributes
because I know it's getting late where he is
and he's been patient.
And, you know, like I said,
I really value what he's he he's doing in this movement you know his wife is
an amazing artist herself you know, technology,
and then his, you know, Bitcoin OS,
you know, operating system that he's created.
And since I've probably talked to him,
he's building even newer shit.
So I can't wait to hear from him.
And so let's go to Mal and then Emily.
I hope I got that right.
And then let's go to satributes after that i'll throw it to emily first and then i'll follow up please go ahead emily
no thanks mal i appreciate you um i just wanted to just um you both both uh said some interesting
things about culture.
And I think that what we overlook in all of these conversations
is that Web3 is a culture play.
We focus on niche things over here,
like music and art and tech and this and that and the third.
But it really is a culture play.
We are selling a culture over here.
And I mean, you see it in crypto Twitter. I mean, we have this like small little niche area of the market over here in crypto Twitter that is very, it's, it's wrapped around culture.
get that. They don't understand that. Whereas they've built mega companies on the backs of
culture, but they don't actually understand how culture thrives, how it works, what feeds it,
like the little nuances that are so important to keep it going and to keep it healthy.
And I think that that's why we sometimes have problems like with, you know,
these bigger monoliths coming in like eBay and trying to, you know, do things with these companies
is they don't understand how to sell that culture. They don't understand how to breathe life into it.
So they just kind of like vanilla it out and then expect people to buy it. And that's just not how culture works.
The biggest, you know, analogy I can make with this is hip hop music.
Hip hop was built on culture.
Like, I mean, it came from the streets.
It came from a place, you know, that was very much built around a certain particular style and culture and play and fashion. And I mean,
there was so much that was built into that music. And that's why it excelled because people
saw that culture and it remained so, so what it was. It never like changed or got reformulated
or got vanilla or washed out. It just, it was always that,
you know, and it was always about what it was about. And people were like, I want to be part
of that culture. So instead of saying the culture should acclimate to the audience,
it was the audience acclimated to the culture. And that became fucking huge.
Excuse my language, but it became massive.
I mean, everybody in the United States listens to hip hop now. So I think that you have to believe so wholeheartedly and incessantly and insanely about what culture you're building that you believe that the people will come to you.
And if you don't believe that and you water it down and you make it vanilla and you try to
sell it to people, then it's not going to, it's never going to work. And I think we've seen that
time and time and time and time again in the space with these massive companies coming in with this
big money and all the money in the world can't replicate something that was built from people, from a certain culture, from a certain
like work ethic, from a certain struggle. You're selling struggle, you know, and that's, that's
real. You're selling real. And it's hard to replicate that with all the money in the world.
It's never going to really replicate that. Yeah, absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly with all the money in the world, it's never gonna really replicate that.
Yeah, absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly with all of that.
I feel like to Gadfly's point earlier
with like corporate structure,
their motivation is not ever art and culture.
Their motivation is the bottom line, which is fair. That is their modus operandi.
But they're also motivated on short-term wins rather than long-term strategy.
Whereas culture and art in particular is very much like a storyline that needs to be played out over time. And because
that is just not in their, you know, their training, their own culture. Like we often
think of like the corporate world as being devoid of culture, but they do have their own very very specific culture. And it has its own language. It has its own patterns and methods,
which just don't translate often
to counterculture movements.
And like with hip hop, starting with, you know,
grassroots element, real life struggle, and then that absorbed within the throughline,
the cultural throughline that institutions maintain. And kind of flipping the whole
concept on its head a little bit because of that motivation of finance. Institutions themselves don't innovate, they preserve. And so if they are attempting to
absorb something into that preservation, it is significant enough that they understand that it
has a reach to the people, to their hearts, to their minds, and they need to be able to absorb
that in a way that be able to absorb that
in a way that is going to reference
that cultural through line throughout history,
particularly with art history,
to be able to soften the edge of that
so that it becomes a part of what always was.
Like that storyline is what is usually projected by institutions. And so it's difficult
to see the motivation on either side because those cultures are so different. But I feel like
with Web3, there is definitely like a translation session that's happening across
pollination between those worlds like even between like artists devs and
collectors even like artists becoming collectors collectors becoming devs like
everybody's learning each other's language and blooming because of it
because those silos are being taken away so I do feel like a lot of
the the issues that we have been facing in this you know us versus them kind of
mentality when it comes to corporate structures I do think that that's
starting to slowly fall away there will be obviously ones that hang on to that
that cultural like that corporate or institutional
cultural line where they are in that mode of preserving and not innovating but I feel like
the the past or the tide the waves that comes between those two cultures will soften and be a little bit more integrated in the best way,
because consensus is how things are run in this world.
And so if people are not vibing with the way that things are done,
those things will fall away.
And if they're causing harm, those things will fall away.
And the way in which community can thrive will take the lead.
Mal, I always love your takes and your contributions are immensely appreciated.
I want to go to Satributes. He's been silent with just emojis hopefully he's not falling asleep because it's a
little late there uh he's he's smiling so it means that he's still he's still with us so welcome
welcome brother how are you hey great to be here now i've thoroughly enjoyed the conversation um
wonderful to hear from so many so many excellent people in the space.
But no, again, I want to echo a lot of what's been said already.
Bitcoin is a wonderful medium for all artists to explore.
It doesn't matter what sort of art they're into.
The beauty of Ordinal Theory is you can use this canvas in many, many different ways.
So it's great for music, it's great for images, it's great for video, it's great for code.
There are obviously limitations with Bitcoin, but this is where Satribute loves to help out,
to try and help the artist find the most efficient ways of putting data on the chain.
We've been doing this for a while. We started sub-50k inscriptions.
We helped a lot of the early friends that we knew from the space in early 21, people like Dario, Gabe, Sabet, Complex, Didi, a whole bunch of the early 2021 artists
get their first piece onto Bitcoin in a collection called The First Light. You can see on Magic
Eden. And we add some attributes just,
we have an ethos that we give ordinals
to good people for free.
We've done several freemints.
And in fact, our last freemint we did
was something called Natributes,
some evolving artwork.
Recently it's taken their fourth evolution.
This was actually quite a cool freemint.
It broke every record of Magic Eden for pending purchases across every chain.
I think it was about 1,100 pending purchases at one point when the collection first dropped.
And it was using the latest in what's called digital matter theory.
And so what Satomitch really enjoys doing is digging into the latest that Ordinal Theory can offer
and to create something compelling and then give it to great people in the space.
We do have a new free mint that we're going to be announcing fairly soon so I think this is the
first time I'm actually mentioning this and so if you don't know much about what we're doing by all
means give us a follow to find out how you can take part in an upcoming free mint of some very
cool bitcoin art. But no I mean shorter back, if there any artists in the audience that are considering getting onto Bitcoin, we do like
to try and show best practices. And we've implemented a few
pieces of technology ourselves to help artists put data on chain
without having to pay any third party fees, as cheap as you
would be inscribing it through your own node. Because the big
problem with the space is the fees that a lot of platforms do
tack on top of what artists are trying to do.
So you have 30 plus percent being added on the inscription cost.
Those numbers can certainly add up.
If you don't know the dark arts, if you will, of optimizing data to put it on chain,
then again, you could be wasting unnecessary Bitcoin to store what you're trying to put on chain immutably.
And so there's a number of factors to take into account.
And there's a number of very cool pieces of technology you can leverage to get
that. BeatBlocks, as mentioned,
is an incredible protocol that's recently come out.
And we will always recommend the best tools, never our own.
What matters best is getting content that's awesome enough that's going to
onboard new people into the space. Because of course, Bitcoin has been around for a long time.
And if you're not a believer in Bitcoin as a store of value, then you're probably not going to be.
But certainly, as we saw with ETH NFTs back in 21, NFTs were a reason for people to buy ETH for the
first time, if not to get in the ETH space, but just to buy a new item. I think the same thing with Bitcoin.
If there are people out there who don't care much for Bitcoin
as the finance tool that it can be used for,
but see it more as a luxury collectible item,
a method for people to store data on-chain immutably,
then again, at the end of the day,
along with lots of people are getting sent to their wallop,
it's the only really thing that matters.
So yeah, it's a wonderful space and the technology does move
incredibly quickly. We've dabbled with a whole bunch of different tech, everything from hardware
with the games console we're building with Nvidia to, as Payman mentioned, an operating system that
we've already inscribed and put fully on chain. Something that helps show content on chain
in a slightly more intuitive fashion
than traditional marketplaces and indexing websites.
So there's a lot that goes to ordinal theory,
how you can use it.
And yeah, we love pointing people in the right way.
So if any of this sounds interesting,
feel free to hop into Discord or join us
in any way, shape or form,
as we continue to do cool and interesting stuff in Bitcoin.
Yeah, and I love you for that because you're not just...
I love what Emily said, that this movement is about the culture
and we are super lucky to be part of art history and uh you know this this
this cultural time is you know i never would have imagined you know when i was growing up
and even though i you know prayed and manifested and my my whole uh ethos was about positive energy
and being able to change the world through my art and my music.
And then I discovered so many amazing other artists
that are here amongst us right now,
whether it's Emily or Gatfly or Landy, uh, you know, Mal, uh, uh, Goldlocks. I, my friend, uh, there's so many
friends here. Swati's here, Elham, June, Chappie. I mean, so many great people. Uh, and it makes
you feel like, is this real? Is this really happening? And I don't care if there is, and of course I
care, but at the same time, I don't care that, you know, if you're going through ups and downs,
bear and bulls, you know, markets, and I think we will survive. We, as long as you create
permissionless, uh, Lee and without asking anyone, Hey, do you
think I should do this? Or what do you think about my art? Don't, you know, people that are going to
resonate with your artwork are going to resonate with your artwork. They, um, you know, we don't
need to ask permission. I mean, Godfly said earlier, uh, maybe my art is not, I don't know how you said it, but, you know, I don't think whatever you said was right because I love your artwork.
I feel like your artwork speaks to me.
I feel like it's visually inspiring.
It makes me feel something.
And then when you speak, it even takes it to another level
and that's why i empower and i want to spotlight artists like you and emily and others to talk
about your arts um in these spaces and hopefully um you know everybody that is creating feels comfortable to share their art, whether you are, you know, a native English speaker or not. I always said from clubhouse days, as, as long as you, you, you're trying, it doesn't matter if you're an act, you have an accent.
In fact, I think accents make you even more cool.
You know, I don't know.
I've been here most of my life.
And I remember my uncle always comparing me with my American cousins.
And he used to say, you know, it's really funny for me that you still have an accent,
even though you've been here for a while.
And I'm like, well, I appreciate my accent.
My accent makes me who I am.
So that's why I continue to empower people to not apologize when they speak English,
because not all of us speak multiple languages.
Although I do speak German, English, Farsi, you know, a little bit of Arabic and Russian
and French, but like, I feel like we are all global citizens of the world and art is what
is connecting us and art is what is the culture that, you know, that is creating a bridge for all of us.
That's why I feel like it's my job, it's my duty,
and I embrace it to be able to be that uplifter,
that spot lighter, that person that allows everybody,
not allows, but that gives everybody their voice
to sing their song, if you will.
We all have a tune in us. We all have a story and it needs to be told. And I feel like we are very lucky that we are a part of this movement. So I
truly appreciate you. Satributes, Snoop Toshi. I'm not going to mention your name because i don't know if that's
cool or not but you've become like a brother to me and i'm super excited to work together with you
to onboard more artists onto the you know ordinals protocol and bitcoin blockchain
and i see landy was up here.
Gold Locks is down there now.
They're both down there.
But I see Swati and Elham June and Chappie and others that are cyber alchemists who's like an OG.
And he always is kind enough to call me out on spaces or on places as an OG.
I don't consider myself an OG.
I consider myself as just another member of the space
that is trying to contribute in a positive way.
And I hope that I'm doing my job and and I will continue to empower everyone, because I feel
like everybody deserves to have their voice heard, and without inclusion and diversity,
we're going to stay a small circle, and as you said, we are very early in this movement,
this movement still within four years.
I come from a startup era,
and you know how long that took to take off.
So don't give up.
Please continue to build, continue to create.
Don't be afraid to tweet and retweet other friends' artwork
if you can't collect them and i like
who was it that said that we've become collectors as artists that's totally true i mean i came in
as an artist i became a collector and a curator and advisor and uh you know i've kind of lost
myself and you know still trying like should be getting my, not should, but I'm working.
And Gadfly and, you know, Satribute knows that I'm working on this project for four years that I'm going to get out.
And thanks to people like Violetta and, you know, Emily and others that have encouraged me to share my music which is nothing like theirs
like emily is the og like queen of you know rock like punk rock and like for like and same with
you know uh violetta you know but violetta and i have performed in four different cities around the world which is
weird for me to say i'm a whistling musician that plays the piano and uh share my melodies uh with
you know all over the world now and i can't wait to share more of that and i i feel like
cross-pollination and collaboration is the key here.
It's like, don't think about just you.
Oh, let me just get my art out and sell my art.
Because when you work with another artist, the art that you make together is like a baby that no other two people can make.
Yeah, Emily, go ahead.
I want to just off of that, I recently posted a video,
I have to pin it to the top, but we played to about 500 people the other night on tour,
and it was a great show. They were really receptive. And our opening song is called Rise.
opening song is called Rise. And Rise is a song that I wrote for OniForce. And OniForce is an OG
PFP project in the space. If you don't know them, please check them out. Henry is the guy that runs
that whole project and is really, you know, I'm such a fan of somebody who believes so
wholeheartedly in their IP and they're just like, you know, F the noise,
and they just kind of like go for it.
And he's doing that with Oni,
and it just makes me really happy to see IP
come from the space that was born in the space.
Anyway, so I took it upon myself to reach out to him
and say, hey, do you guys want a theme song for your,
for OniForce, because it's such a magnetic project, and it's anime, and you know, we do comics, and, do you guys want a theme song for your, for Oniforce? Because it's such a magnetic project
and it's anime and, you know, we do comics and they do comics. And so I wrote this song called
Rise and we perform it live every night. It's our opening song and we performed it to 500 people.
And I posted this video and I was just like, every night we're doing 300 to 500 people on this tour
and every night they're seeing Oniforce and they're seeing what comes from Web3.
And even if they don't know what it is, they're going to know something about it by the time they leave this venue.
And there's something really powerful about that.
And that's collaboration.
That's like, I'm not, I mean, I have an Oni on Bitcoin because the, you know, Henry was granted just a fan of the project and a fan of what they were building in the space.
And I don't have to bring them to stage every night.
I don't have to play that song every night.
But I wanted to because I was like, you know what?
We need to move things from Web 3 into Web 2 somehow.
And how can we do that?
So it's not just moving my project from Web 3 to Web 2.
And my project started in Web 2 in 2014, 2015.
So we have been around in Web 2.
But it's also about moving things that have been born in the trenches of Web3 into the culture of Web2.
And so that's what we tried to do.
So if you want to check out the video, I'll pin it to the top.
But I'm really proud of that brand and just wanted to give them a shout out since Cyber
Alchemist is sitting here and he's an OG and part of all that movement.
So just wanted to give a big shout out to that brand.
I concur a hundred percent. I remember if, you know, all of us, you know,
we're there with JR who, you know,
is an artist and you know, the,
the founder with cyber alchemist and Emily and not Emily,
um, M M something. I forgot her. She's, you know,
I forget her handle, but, and the other team members, um, and then now I've had,
Strawberry. Yeah. Strawberry. Exactly. And then now I've become very close friends and have immense, you know, respect for Henry Star Lordy, who's taken
over. And I know, and I didn't know this, by the way, and I don't know how I missed this, but
our friend here, Satributes, or Snoop Toshi, you know, I'm really getting a little bit confused myself but he he was it Batman is it Bruce Wayne
exactly he was that he was the interim CEO and helped find Henry to become the, you know, Star Lordy to become the, you know, the current CEO of Oniforce.
And Henry is just a mensch.
I mean, he's from San Francisco Bay Area as well.
And I met him and I've seen him now all over the world, like from, you know, BTC and Ordnals Asia in Hong Kong, from San Francisco, you know, Ordnals Gallery opening in San Francisco, where I found out he's from San Francisco, in Lisbon, in Nashville. And we started working together to create a nonprofit called
Ordinals Foundation to help artists to get on to Bitcoin and Ordinals. And I just recently saw him
in Denver and he's just a mensch. I mean, this guy works hard. I mean, every time I talk to him, he's working.
Every time I talk to him, he's full of inspirational dialogue.
And so that's what gets me going.
And I appreciate you sharing that, Emily, because they are like, you know, right after the Bored Ape, you know, minted, they, you know, this, I mean, again, now I've become a big fan of Bored Ape Yacht Club.
And, you know, initially I wasn't because, you know, everybody was burning their artwork.
They were crying on the, you know, phone with me. They were saying how they can sell their artwork. They were crying on the phone with me.
They were saying how they can sell their artwork,
the one-on-one artists.
And when they had the mint happening
and people were making monkey noises,
I went into Farouk's space with John Noff,
both of my brothers,
and I said, what the fuck is going on here? Like,
why are we supporting an unknown entity? And now, you know, Bored Ape Yacht Club,
I'm a big fan. I'm a member of them. And, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm here to support
people that are adding to the culture as we talked about earlier and uh only
force has definitely done so and i'm super proud of them so thank you for sharing that i'm so happy
that you're you've created a song for them uh only force deserves that their OG collection, like I said, right after,
we, we sold it out on Gala too. We put it on Gala music together and we sold out 300 copies of the song.
So music NFTs did thrive and they're still thriving in a way, you know,
it's just, you just have to find the people that,
that really resonate with what you're doing.
And the song is if you haven't heard the the song, go take a listen to it.
I don't know if you guys like heavy metal or, you know, I do heavy metal.
That's what I do.
I do rock and roll and heavy metal.
So if you're into that sort of thing, check it out.
But you have to remember, this is like an anime thing.
And this is going to be one day, it's going to be an anime show.
It's going to do things.
And I'm very, very certain of that.
And because I know Henry and Henry's not going to let this die on the vine.
So, you know, think of that when you listen to the song.
I think it's very anime-like and it's very to the point of what Oni Force really is.
And it is so much fun to play live, you guys.
Like, the crowd loves this song.
They have no idea what it's about
at first but then they come to the merch table and they ask about it and and all about the art
and all this sort of stuff so it's it's it's really fun to to see it resonate with the people
outside of the space i mean emily you're definitely if if you're not following Emily, I hope that by now, after this hour and a half, almost, you know, you have been.
Please follow everybody on stage.
You know, Gatfly, Satributes, Landy, Elmo, Mal.
I see my brother, Cyber Alchemist on here.
I'm sure he's going to have some positive things to say, but you're absolutely correct,
Emily, is that, you know, like what we do together and empowering other, you know, builders
like Oniforce that deserve to have acknowledgement. And perhaps they are under
valued. Right now, we are kind of going through a bear market in a way. But I certainly know that artists, when you believe in an artist like yourself, like Gadfly,
which, you know, I honestly feel like they're super underrated.
Sorry, my dog is like begging for his lunch and I'm late for feeding him.
But, you know, Elmo is also here. Landy, you know, there are people that are here to support
artists and they see the value. I had a great conversation with, sorry about the noise I'm
feeding my dog, but there are people here that are really here for the culture. They're here for the culture they're here for making sure that artists are getting recognition like
tan tan i can't i can't like i don't know spotlight tan tan enough you know and that those of you that
know me elmo knows mal knows um you know i can't say enough about landy and Goldbox, you know, Swati and others. Like, you know, I've
already mentioned you and Gatfly, Emily, but honestly, I feel like I'm so lucky, even though
I feel very, very fortunate about being, you know, a creative myself. And that doesn't take away anything from me and the the confidence i have
in my own art and my creation but i feel like this is my calling that it's like been amazing
to be able to uplift and spotlight other artists and builders to to succeed because it doesn't take anything away from me. It only adds to my legacy, hopefully.
And even if it doesn't, I don't care because in my heart, I believe it. So I really, I'm not
seeking for permission or validation from others to say, hey, you know, what you're doing is amazing,
to say, hey, you know, what you're doing is amazing, whatever.
I know what I'm doing, it comes from the heart.
And I get the emails and the DMs from artists and collectors alike
saying that they appreciate what I do.
And that's what gives me energy.
And Emily, you're part of it.
GatFly, you're part of it.
Satributes, you're part of it.
That's why I ask you to be my guest today. And I want to invite everyone to reach out to me that has something meaningful
that they feel proud of and they don't seek for permission to be spotlighted. Like Landy,
like you. Landy, I met you in Paris and it was the best meeting ever.
So go ahead, please.
You have your hand up.
GM, GM.
Landy?
Hello, hello.
Can you hear me?
Hello.
Hello.
Hello, dear friend. Yeah, hello. Hi, can you hear me? Hello. Hello, dear friend.
Yeah, good. It was so lovely to meet you in Paris in The Real and again in Denver.
And hey, Emily, I saw you at that Four Seasons dinner thing, the Bitcoin thing.
You were deep in conversation.
I was going to come and say hello.
And then, I don't know, it didn't happen.
But, Payman, we had a chat.
I wish you did.
Yeah, I know.
Now I was just hearing you chatting.
And I was like, oh, man, why didn't I go back and just, you know,
say hello properly to Emily?
So anyway.
Yeah, I'm not that scary.
I know.
I know that.
I know that.
No, you were just deep in a chat.
So I just thought, oh, I'll come back and say hello, you know.
But I just came across this space, actually.
I didn't know it was happening.
And it was just very fortuitous because I just came into the room.
And Moby, I think you were just saying hello.
So I was like, oh, that's kind of, you know, a nice little moment.
But yeah, it's just, you know, it's about 10 p.m. here in London
and just sort of winding down the day.
I've been really enjoying the conversation, actually.
And I think it's, I just, one, I think it's I just one I think it's super exciting
you're on your tour Emily I'm really enjoying seeing all the clips that you're posting but
then I was also thinking payment how how come I've never seen a clip of you performing I just
thought you're such a champion of everybody else you you know, and I've just realized when you were talking there about whistling and piano playing and stuff, I was like, well, how come I've never seen this? I've been around for years.
So whether I've just missed it, I would love to, I would love to, you know, see you perform or see a clip or something like that. It'd be great.
you know, see you perform or see a clip or something like that, it'd be great.
I think with the ordinal thing, it's just, it's, I think it's so interesting.
I mean, I think just art properly on chain is something that I find really, really fascinating.
And it's lovely just having all the artists together, you know, like a room like this,
artists together you know like a room like this where you you feel like you know that the people
are in the room are here because they love art they love the innovation they're like the new
technology they can kind of see a future where you know they can kind of you know
see the greatness in it and it's separate to that energy that comes with the sort of greed of money
like money has such a such a very specific energy to it and sometimes this this place can be quite
difficult because of that you know as certainly in the in the height of that meme coin frenzy you know it's just as difficult to um you know it's kind of i mean to be honest
everyone can just fill their boots do whatever they want you know it's there's no there's no
real judgment it's just it's more it's more just the lamenting of the lack of talk about art really
um if that was going on and the art was as well I suppose that would be a different thing but I think that yeah I think it's a super interesting time I
was having a conversation just yesterday where I was just really talking about
that early word as well as well because I really get the sense that, yeah, we really still are in the early bit.
And in fact, a conversation I had was,
I had a meeting with someone today who's, he's like a,
I don't know what his name is actually,
but he's someone who's like a Google anyway.
He does all this sort of, you know, Gemini stuff at Google or whatever.
He does all this sort of, you know, Gemini stuff at Google or whatever.
But we were having a conversation just about the future, really, in AI
and how people are going to adopt it and just also the sort of, you know,
the fear and the kind of, you know, the different attitudes to it and stuff.
At the moment, I'm in the process of writing AI principles for Channel 4, which I work for, you know, which is so interesting when you really start to get into, like, what is it you want to do and not do?
Anyway, that's a side conversation.
The reason I was bringing this up was that he was saying that he was part, because you just mentioned as well, the dot-com bubble. And he, he, he remembers being very much part of that.
And he was at some conference, no, like some sort of like a way day thing or something like that.
And everyone had to introduce who they were. And this was back in 2003, and it's only 2003. And they said, oh, what do you do?
What do you do? What do you do? And when it came to him, he had to say he was an internet
infrastructure technician or whatever it was he was at the time. And the guy just went, oh, right,
you're that lot, are you? That have just tanked the economy and, you know, stolen all the pictures and put them on
computers or something like that. And everyone was like, you know, like this to him. And it was kind
of, and I was like, that's so interesting because, you know, the idea that people were like, the
internet, you know, we saw that try and happen. That's not going to be anything. We've seen that.
And I just thought there was a real similarity to the story and the energy of it
to what has happened with, you know,
the big sort of bull hype in 21, 22
and then this quiet bit.
And we were talking about how really
with like great leaps in technology,
there's this sort of big, like big breath forward and then a kind of a suck in and a roll back before it kind of moves again properly, you know.
And yeah, I just sort of really feel like we're in, we're in that bit right now.
Yeah, I work with the New York City street artist Goldlox.
She's in the audience.
It's amazing.
And the IP is just off the charts.
As Paimon knows, he's seen some of it.
But also, it's more her message.
She always holds the words just right.
And she's a street artist on the streets of New York, mainly.
And the just right message is just to remind everyone that we live perfect distance and it's all her art is all based around the scientific term the Goldilocks zone
to say that we live we're literally hurtling through space locked at the exact right distance
from the sun so you know it's not hot, not too cold and just right.
And when you're having, you know, that meeting didn't go well or you wish you had that particular thing, you know, it's just good to remind ourselves that we've all won the cosmic lottery already.
Yeah, she's been going since 2015, like super popular street artist in New York, part of the New York street tours and stuff.
And I've been working on something for four years, like for, yeah, about three and a half years.
We've been, she's been like, I mean, our phrase is moving from the block to the blockchain, right?
Which I think is, which is a good but um yeah we're just really starting to get moving but
to be um inscribing on bitcoin because we've got a collection and we're
we're in the we're in the process of it all so it's super exciting but in terms of the
onboarding as well and making things accessible for people, right,
I've got like, you know, I've got like an audience in the creative industry. Did I just lose Landy?
I think she rugged.
Yeah, I think she rugged.
Well, until she comes back up, I'm going to invite her up.
But I just want to say how much I appreciate Landy and Goldox.
They're both legends.
You know, the artwork that Goldox is creating, I've had the pleasure of seeing and, you know,
gave him some suggestions about who to work with.
to work with and they've already gone ahead and chosen a dev um even though i had uh suggested
And they've already gone ahead and chosen a dev.
attributes which i'm super proud of working with um you know but uh there she is again but like
yeah no i mean landy what you were saying 100% resonates with me.
You know, this movement is about creating artwork that, you know, has meaning, has integrity, has intentionality.
And I'm here to support you and Goldox, as did in Paris and before that even when we had our calls.
And I'm super proud of you for what you're doing.
We go way back to Clubhouse days.
And Satributes, who is still on the DM me and said, my battery is almost dying.
And I'm like, thanks for being here, brother.
Like, you know, you're amazing.
But I feel like, you know, you choose who you want to work with.
And you can't go wrong with, hopefully, with the people that you choose.
And I think that people that you told me that you chose
to work with are going to be amazing but um I just love the message I love the artwork I saw the
artwork firsthand and that's what gets me excited right like although and I by the way I really do
appreciate you asking me if I you could hear or see my performances.
I can't find those clips, but I did pin on the top two of my pieces that have my whistling music in the background.
And if anybody is interested, you can look at it, listen to it later.
I'm working right now with many different artists, both visual and musical artists, to cross-pollinate.
I feel like this movement is not about just us being one, just like how you're working with, you know, gold locks and cross
pollinating and you're helping her and you're partnering up. I feel like the power of web three
is cross pollination and cross collaboration. And like I said earlier, I don't know if I said it
here or in the earlier call I had, you know, when two people work together, two artists, it's like two parents.
The kid that you create, the child that you create, and, you know, a parent-child reference.
But it's only going to be that one.
It's only going to be that one.
Even if you work with the dopest artists,
that one piece of art that you create with one artist
is never going to be replicated.
It's never going to be reproduced.
And that's what I find the most amazing and rewarding thing in this movement is being able to work with multiple
artists that you resonate with you shouldn't just work with artists that are famous um you know so
that's not why i want to work with emily that's not why i want to work and cross-pollinate with gadfly or others it's it's because i truly feel like there is you know
something that we can leave behind as part of our legacy i'm here for the legacy and i hope others
are here i know others are here for that too because you know as a young artist, I always prayed, prayed, not played.
There is my English.
That, you know, my art, my music, my teachings, my speaking, my advising, whatever it is,
and all those roles I've played in life is going to have a positive impact in the world.
And that's what I want to leave everybody with.
It's like, you know, think about that when you're creating art.
Think about that and not think about,
hey, am I going to have these collectors be happy?
Am I going to sell out my collection?
Who the F cares, right?
Those people that are going to resonate with your art and your
mission are going to collect you and i'm telling you as a collector as landy said we've evolved
artists have been the biggest collectors in this space no no shade on you know just those
collectors that are just collectors but But artists from day one have
collected each other and supported one another. And so I want to empower every artist to continue
to create without permission from their collectors. Don't feel like you need to have the,
you know, the permission from them to create something. Create it. If it goes, it goes. If it
doesn't, like Gadfly says, he hasn't even put up his work that has been inscribed like, you know,
sub 100K, sub million K. I mean, I have so much respect for that, that he's holding on. He's banking on himself,
you know, bank on yourself, bet on yourself. That's all. But I want to go to Landy quickly
because you got rugged and then Elmo is on stage. Elmo has become a great friend. He's helping so many artists like Tan Tan, Amir Fallah, who's a Persian fellow artist, and others that I really respect.
Tremendous amount of respect for Elmo because of what he's doing and what he's building.
Again, you don't need to have a fine arts degree to be a part of this movement.
You know, you just have to have a good heart.
You just have to have good intentions.
And your intentions and the way you conduct yourself with integrity is the most important thing for me to support you.
So, Landy, go ahead and finish because you got rugged,
and then we'll go to Alma, and then we'll try to wrap it up because I got to get going.
Thank you so much, Yael.
I won't go on too much, but I was just going to say that what I'm really interested in is onboarding people who are interested and trying they just have seen the last kind of couple of years
and just thought oh I you know I don't think that's either I don't think that's going to be
a thing or I think it's a scam or whatever so I've been doing a little bit of work kind of on that
side obviously talking it through with people and we we've done a collection on base of like little
digital animated stickers and like the gold locks project just has
a whole ecosystem around it of lots of cool little characters and there's loads of fun
so they're like 11 little digital stickers it's like limited but they're only like less than two
dollars each but it's a way for people to because you can pay by card and you and you know they'll
send it to your email and create a custodial wallet if you don't know how to use crypto.
And we just wanted to, you know, obviously we're going to be inscribing on Bitcoin, but we wanted to create something to help people become holders and to also just,
and some people are just so excited that they now own a digital asset, right?
They're just delighted, even though they only own it in their email. But it's just, it's a start of people trying to understand this world. Yeah, that's all I was going to say. So yeah, if anyone wants to be a holder of Gold Locks, there's a very cheap way of doing it right now, which will only be a one-off situation, obviously. But yeah, I just thought I'd say that.
And then one other thing is, Elmo, loving your puppet PFP and fellow puppet here.
Just wanted to say world peace.
Okay, there was no real need for that kind of end there.
Landy, you had me.
No, I'm just kidding.
I love the puppets. i love what they stand for i
you know i'm i'm a big puppets fan um but i'm a i'm a bigger goalie uh gold locks fan
because what she's doing and what she's building and my dog dog concurs. Okay. They hear you.
He loves gold locks.
That's right.
Gold locks.
Just right.
He loves puppets too.
But like gold locks is more.
You know, I don't know.
But since day one.
He's got it right.
He's got it right. Yeah.
I just love to support one-on-one artists.
You know.
And not to say that puppet creator is not a one-on-one artists you know and not to say that puppet
creator is not a you know one-on-one artist but like i don't know i just um anyway i'm not going
to get into that but i i am a big fan of gold gold locks i'm a huge fan of you i it was a pleasure meeting you in, in Paris and in Denver.
And, uh, I want to, you know, encourage everybody to look into what you both are working on
and also encourage everyone to check out Emily's work, Gadfly's work, uh, you know, Elmo, Mal's work.
I need to have Mal as a guest.
I mean, Mal is, every time I hear her in the time pieces space,
she adds so much value to the conversation and to Tent.
I mean, she's a huge fan of Tent, which I'm also a huge fan of.
And so so Mal,
you're officially invited. I'm going to reach out to you to get you on the next space.
But I just wanted to just in closing say how much I appreciate each and every one of you.
I see so many friends in the audience and obviously on stage. Like I said, you know,
I can't speak enough about having each other's backs, having each other as accountability partners and support partners because we are collectors we are artists we we do deserve
the spotlight and i want to make sure everyone gets to tell their story we all have a unique
story and we all need to have someone to you know give us space. And that's why I have these spaces, even on days that, you know,
I am tired and I have meetings between the spaces and don't have time to,
you know, and again, thanks, thanks to Mobi Media.
I just wanted to in closing say thank you to Mobi Media for being so flexible and so accommodating to having these spaces.
And hopefully, so far, so good.
It's been a pretty amazing ride.
And I only want to add value to whoever I collaborate with, whether they're an entity or an artist, individual artist. But, you know,
I see Ella in this space now. I love Ella's work. I got to meet her in Paris. Whenever you meet
people in person, you just have another level of appreciation for them. So before we leave, though, because Cyber Alchemist has been a great friend and also been so patient, I want to go to him.
Usually we have this mindful minute before we close the space. And I feel like he's very fitting in the way he conducts himself and as a
friend to have him close out our space today. So Cyber Alchemist, welcome GMGM.
GMGM fam, great to see you studio. Pyman,'s always a pleasure. And so many wonderful folks.
Emily, great to see you and all the great folks in the audience.
What a wonderful discussion.
And you guys, you had me, Pai Man.
I had no idea that Satributes was also Snoop Toshi,
idea that Satributes was also Snoop Toshi, who's also, you know, any number of other aliases around
the Web3 community. But if you know Ed, he's probably one of the more thoughtful people out
in our spaces building and tip of the hat to everybody. In a considerate moment, maybe just to recap,
kind of tip of the hat to a lot of our wonderful artists,
people representing them like you, Pai Man, Landy, and many others.
People like Emily, who are artists, and Goldilocks.
I am Complex, Leah, PFP, I'm Rocking from the Oni Force art.
Complex, the PFP I'm Rocking from the Oni Force art.
We really are early, I guess.
We always talk about being at that kind of conception of the Big Bang moment of Web 3.
And it's certainly one of the great things about being there with a lot of you is that it's easy, easy, my friends,
to see another shining light out in the distance of darkness. And as we kind of move out and become
our own celestial bodies in our own ways and kind of form up, we are blessed to have one another
around each other.
And what I will say is that good energy, good people have a gravity.
And we're very fortunate to be within each other's orbits.
Appreciate you.
And Bitcoin on ordinals is going to continue to be a thing.
I guess the question I might ask of this group to consider is we've seen some crazy fluctuation with BTC going up and down. People think 100,000 wasn't ever going to happen,
and it probably will happen someday soon. But as Bitcoin rises and the cost to inscribe on Bitcoin, even ordinals, goes up. I guess I have a belief that
at one point, some of the artwork on ordinals will never be able to be inscribed because of
the price again. If Bitcoin does hit a million, who knows some of the astronomical numbers?
People in this room, people who've inscribedcribed have made history in a way that I don't
know that many of you understand. So excited for you and for what you guys are doing for us in
blockchain. I mean, you said it perfectly. It's funny because I just read or saw this clip about this, you know, influencer, investor talking about to the rich dad, poor dad guy.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with him, but, you know, I've read his books and, you know, he was interviewing this guy.
And I didn't pay attention because it was late at night.
I didn't pay attention because it was late at night.
And, you know, I wake up at, you know, early in the morning and have meetings till, you know, late at night with Dubai and other, you know, overseas companies and stuff.
And before I go to bed, I always have had, unfortunately, developed this habit of watching like these YouTube videos about like, you know videos about Bitcoin and crypto and stuff.
And this one guy was talking about how with the rich guy, poor dad, whatever his name is.
And he's like, my prediction for 2031 is that Bitcoin is going to be at 2.5 million or some crazy number like that.
And I'm like, wow, really? Just when we are
experiencing like a dip, you know, and you know, for us, you know, a dip from 100K to 88K to 76K
or whatever it is today, I try not to pay attention to those things because otherwise you get kind of you know depressed and
stuff i'm here for the long run you know i'm i'm here for the culture as emily mentioned earlier
and and we used to have this space by the way i have to give my brother logic a shout out he used
to have the space called crypto for the culture or something like that on, on, on Clubhouse.
And those were great.
Exactly.
And this, this guy, they were so good.
And Emily, if you remember, he never even like for a year or so he had his spaces.
spaces he never released anything and then he released something yeah called the um the plug
He never released anything.
which was like a battery that if you held it over time it gave you um you know it charged up to full
like you know full thing and it's funny because if you remember back then i was still i hope i
still am known for that giving people their flowers and I had this
idea which Gabe Weiss you know like you know our brother Gabe Weiss was a big fan of it and he kept
telling me you should do it you know it was called Paymon's Flower Shop so it was about having a seed
that you mint and you you hold over time and it will grow into a flower.
And of course, somebody that I shared this with tried to take it on and it kind of took out my
air, if you will, from wanting to pursue it. But they didn't succeed because you got to be
authentic in what you do because they're like, hey, what are you working on?
This is back in June of 2021.
And I told them about this project and then they DM me the following month in July and said, hey, you inspired me by creating my own project.
And they hired, you know, an artist to create this project,
but it didn't go anywhere.
But my point is that we have to continue to build
and not care about what other people say,
who says, oh, yes, you're this kind of musician,
I don't think you're going to make it.
Or, hey, you whistle, so that's not cool enough.
Or whatever it is.
It's like you got to be yourself
and you got to continue to be your original one-on-one.
And definitely Logic is an original one-on-one.
I respect and value him big time,
even though he's not in the space.
Emily, Gatfly, Goldilocks, Goldlox.
I don't know why I keep calling you Goldilocks.
I apologize for that.
Landy, Ella, everybody.
And I want to give it to, I mean, Cyber Alchemist,
you're always so kind enough to include me in your shout outs,
which, you know, it makes me shy,
but I appreciate. But before we leave, I want to give it to my friend, Elmo, which I feel like
he's one of the good ones in this space, just like all of us that are here for the culture.
of us that are here for the culture. Elmo, I don't want to close out the space before I say
give you a space to hear your voice because you're definitely one of a kind and I appreciate
our conversation on Friday. And so I'll give you the last word and then we'll close it out.
Yeah. Thanks, brother. No, you're so yeah you know uh i think there's been a lot of
really good things said here today obviously um and uh i think one of the uh things is is that
like yes we do have a small window of opportunity where it is financially feasible for anybody to
inscribe art on bitcoin as it is um and you know, maybe as the infrastructure in the space actually grows out, you know,
some of those toolings that may be created in this space might actually make that a little
bit cheaper and easier to do. I know that's one of the focuses that we have at OrangeCube
and some of the things that we're working on. I mean, and, you know, for an example,
I mean, and, you know, for an example, we just inscribed an 18 megabyte inscription, which as far as I know, that's that's the largest like art inscription on chain period.
And we used it.
Whose art was that?
Swampat.
That's right.
You share that with me.
Shit.
That's awesome. Yeah, I. That's right. You shared that with me. Shit. That's awesome.
Yeah, I threw it up there in the Nash.
She's been working really hard with Ravenous to make something super cool and special.
And, you know, it's been coming together.
Obviously, none of this would be possible without, you know, recursion and creating tools that kind of optimize the use of recursion.
But yeah, we're working on it.
It'll be cool.
And a lot of these tools will be open sourced and available for anybody that wants to incorporate them to any future project.
So yeah, I think building infrastructure is the most important thing you can do right now.
Obviously, markets are down and it might be a little bit discouraging to release art in this
kind of atmosphere but at the end of the day art is always in my opinion the thing that moves the
conversation and the tech forward right that's why we're here creating nfts and built web 3.
so keep building uh keep your head up and stay innovating, man.
I appreciate you.
And you're always uplifting and spotlighting artists.
And, you know, like I told you on Friday when we had a really nice in-depth conversation,
people like you inspire me to continue to do what I do, you know, and everybody
in the audience on stage, you know, I always have a problem, like not a problem, but I don't really
like to promote myself. So I want it like that's why it's easier for me to promote others. And I just want to encourage everyone to retweet this space, you know, retweet each other,
follow each other.
It doesn't take anything away from you.
It adds to your value.
In fact, you might find some new collectors or followers when you do that, you know. And Elmo, you certainly do your good deeds in this space,
and I really appreciate you and what you're doing with Orange Cube.
And as I said, I want to extend the invitation to you and Amir
and Wombat and others that, you know, you're helping to have, you know,
as a guest here.
And I just really wanted to tell you how much I appreciate what the hard work that you're
putting in here and listening to your story.
And again, stories are everything that to me
as a collector and a curator and advisor
makes me like bullish on somebody that I wanna work with.
And when I talked to Elmo on Friday,
and even though I've known him for a couple years now,
probably, and we followed each other here,
when he shared his reasoning behind what he's doing, it made me even more
bullish on him. So Elmo, thank you so much. I see my friend Lawrence Fuller. I see German
Bombshell, who used to follow me. She doesn't anymore. I don't know what happened. I'm just kidding. But, you know, Hannaby, you know, others that are in the And of course, my friend who left because of his battery
died. You know, I didn't, by the way, just for the record, I didn't say his name, cyber alchemist
did, but, you know, Snoop Doshi. And I see my friend Chira Elham June again and everybody else that joined us.
Thank you so much till next Monday.
Or if you come to the time hall on Fridays and then following that, we have Arts on Bitcoin on Fridays.
I want to thank again Noah and his team, which MobiMedia has been an amazing partner.
which MobiMedia has been an amazing partner.
I look forward to contributing more to them.
And, you know, they are already on the map,
but I feel like they deserve to be even bigger, you know,
and have more success.
And I look forward to helping each and every one of you
reach your ultimate success. And yeah, thank you so much.
With that said, have a nice day. Have a great week. It's Monday. You know, it's before you know it,
it's Friday, which is crazy. It's crazy for me how fast you're moving in this movement.
it's crazy for me how fast we are moving in this movement but support each other
first support yourself have love for yourself and believe in yourself and know that there are people
out there like myself that believe in you these people on stage are the rising stars of the future and uh you know regardless of the bitcoin or any crypto
fluctuation of price their art is going to be just uh you know invaluable and uh i i encourage you to
consider collecting their work some of the work is so affordable um which makes me like just bullish on them. So yeah, with that said,
if anybody has any closing remarks, Emily, I'll go to you first, Gadfly,
and then we'll close up the space.
I just want to thank Moby Media again for hosting this amazing space. I haven't been in a space like this with such a wonderful conversation with everybody that was on stage in such a long time.
It did feel like old Clubhouse vibes, and that was such a great feeling.
So thank you, Payman, for always hosting incredible spaces and bringing knowledge and just a lot of wonderful things to the conversation.
bringing knowledge and just a lot of like, you know,
wonderful things to the conversation.
We really appreciate you in the space and,
and all the flowers that you give to the artists and,
and uplifting us all.
And I hope you get your art out there because we,
we all want to support you so very much.
So thank you for that.
If you want to support me in the space,
please,
please follow me on Twitter and retweet and like some stuff. And if you want to check
out my NFTs or my digital collectibles, right now I have some available on Gala Music. It's
a great platform. There's a bunch of songs up there that haven't sold out yet that are
really bangers. And some remixes of some songs of ours as well.
So if you're into EDM or house music, like you might like some of those as well.
So definitely check it out on Gala Music.
I'll go ahead and pin something in the comments when I'm done speaking.
And come to a show, bring the NFT, show it to our merch girl and come out to a show at
Doors and meet us.
Come backstage, hang out with us. We just
usually just chill in our meet and greets and just talk to people for like half an hour or something
and get to know our fans and get to know where they're from and what they do and things like
that. And it's a lot of fun. So give away some posters and sign pictures and things like that
as well at the meet and greets and take a lot of photos and
just have a good time before the show starts. So if you're into that sort of thing, come out to a
rock show and experience it with us. We try to bring like a whole universe to the stage. So
if you guys are into that sort of thing, come and see us play. And thank you all for being here and
listening to us ramble a little bit. And thank you again, Moby Media and Payment for hosting the space.
My pleasure.
And I'm excited to see you in San Francisco.
I'm bringing my wife and my daughter and hopefully Gadfly and his girlfriend and his daughter are going to join us too.
But I appreciate you.
I appreciate you.
Yeah, I need that.
Yeah, I need that.
That's going to be amazing.
By the way, don't forget that Emily is going to get her music on blockchain, on the Bitcoin soon.
So look out for that.
Besides the fact that you should go and support her on her tour.
Because she's just a queen and she's just amazing in everything that she does.
And she's been here since day one. And those of you that have been here know that I'm not just
saying that. So I love you, Emily. Thank you so much. And, uh, Gatfly, go ahead and, um,
we'll close with you. Yeah, no worries. on that yeah uh thank you paimon and thanks moby
um i just um you're such a champion for artists and and for the community as a whole and these
spaces really mean a lot so can't thank you enough and if you want to support me as well just follow
retweets um i'm in the in the process if you're in ve, please come to Inscribing Vegas. I'll have an actual physical exhibit there, an immersive interactive exhibit.
So happy to be working with Nolcha and Gamma and bringing, you know, just trying to bridge it, you know, trying to get off the phone and into in real life.
So trying to bring art on a larger scale and make a difference.
So that's why we're here and we believe.
And thank you again, everyone.
And as always, like and retweet everyone and just follow the good people.
So thanks, Paimon.
Thanks, Moby.
I appreciate you.
And definitely follow Emily and Gatfly, everybody on stage, Landy, Mal, Cyber Alchemist, Elmo.
And you know, when I was in Clubhouse, I used to say, look to your left, look to your light, look up and down and find someone that you resonate with and follow them, retweet them.
Retweeting doesn't take any money. It doesn't cost you
anything. And it could only add to your connections that you make and build with dope artists and
builders. And I want to also thank my friend Snoop Doshi, whose battery ran out and he was here till the end.
And he's building some amazing tech all around.
And I want to make sure that I give him a shout out.
Landy, thank you.
Mel, thank you.
Cyber Alchemist, thank you.
Elmo, thank you. Everybody in the audience, thank you. I appreciate you. Until next time,
Elmo, thank you. Everybody in the audience, thank you.
I appreciate you.
I wish you the best week and best success. Believe in yourself. Find the people that
are your tribe. Don't worry about other people that don't resonate with you. You don't need
anybody's permission in this movement. That's all I want to say. And MobiMedia, thank you again.
Noah, thank you.
And please go ahead and close the door.
Close the door.
Close the space.
My dog is like barking and saying, let's go.
I appreciate everybody.
Have a wonderful rest of your day and just love your week.
