Projects
![]()
No projects found
Investors
New
DAO Treasuries
DATs
Lend / Borrow APRs
Chains
Categories
Spaces
Art on Bitcoin, hosted by @studiopaiman 🎙️
Recorded: March 31, 2025 Duration: 2:41:51Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlighted several key developments in the crypto space, including the launch of new projects like Enigma and digital art pieces on Bitcoin, innovations such as the MetaMask MasterCard and a new music protocol, and growth in the market evidenced by successful art sales and community engagement.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next episode. you Thank you. Thank you. Hello everybody, welcome Cyber.
I think Paimon will be joining us soon.
So just hang tight.
I don't know how to get the music to come back on.
But yeah, just pinging him now on Telegram. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, Saiba, what's going on?
I think Payman is joining now.
I'm just going to bring him up.
Jim, Jim, good.
How are you?
I'm good. How are you? I'm good, how are you?
Great, honestly, and crazy excited, you know,
with the drop, with Enigma, with everything.
With Art on Bitcoin, of course,
as this is the main topic here, I guess.
Brilliant, yeah, that is the main topic.
And Mr. Paymon is our host.
And he's just joined the state.
So I'll hand off the mic.
Thank you, Moby Media and Noah
for having me again,
hosting Art on Bitcoin.
Sorry, I was getting kind of rugged.
I don't know why Twitter does this to me every time I have
a you know a spaces whether it's with time magazine time pieces or this place I don't
know what's going on and I'm I'm not even putting out the way I feel about Elon because I try not to
you know put negative energy out there I'd rather just like stay away from it.
But, you know, since he's taken over, this app has just gone downhill.
But, you know, it is what it is.
And we will continue.
And we will continue to show up and spotlight artists like Tantan, Cybersea, who are both amazing artists.
I see my brother Gatfly is on the stage, joined the stage.
Thank you for joining.
You know, I feel like, you know, the movement here is all about uplifting and spotlighting artists and also educating and
onboarding, you know, crypto enthusiasts like, you know, your audience, Noah and Moby Media.
I want to call it Moby TV because there is an entity here that I, my sister used to work with
a startup here in Silicon Valley called MobiTV.
Every time I see MobiMedia, I kind of like dive.
By mistake, I want to say MobiTV.
But they were no longer, unfortunately, they had to shut down.
After four years, they shut down.
That's the way things work in the Silicon Valley and you know startup world you know but I just first of all want to say thank you for everyone to show up I appreciate
you know being able to have this space the purpose and intention behind this i'm an artist an investor and advisor and a curator uh you know in the space
for the last you know almost four and a half five years the first time i curated the nft uh you know
irl event was back in april of 2021 i'm sorry June of 2021, which the curation process started in April or maybe
even earlier from Clubhouse Days. And we spotlighted and had 174 artists in that show.
And since then, I haven't done that was with a group of volunteer, you know, curators that we started.
And some of them are still around.
Some of them have left the space.
And so I have continued my mission, which is to uplift,
to spotlight dope artists and also to educate.
I'm a former educator as well. I'm a, you know,
chief creative officer in Silicon Valley, early investor, you know, in, in technology,
since before internet, I'm a little bit older. But this movement has made me really excited to continue that mission that I had.
And I feel like technology is ever evolving.
And crypto is obviously, especially Bitcoin, is just the mother chain.
And why not get the artists that are dope artists and building their legacies on Bitcoin and spotlight them.
So with that said, I want to welcome everybody to stage and to the show. I want to thank again,
MobiMedia and Noah, the founder of MobiMedia for, you know, having faith in me and one late night you know a few months ago he said hey I'm too
tired to think of a space for tomorrow and I had just started my time pieces art on Bitcoin and it
was quite successful that first time and I said hey maybe I can do an art on Bitcoin on your spaces. And without hesitation, he said, do it, man.
Do as many as you like.
And he and I have met quite a while ago through a mutual friend, Nima, proof of Nima, who was the founder of Layer.xyz.
And he's a dope and smart cryptonomics guy.
And so that's where we are now.
I don't know what episode this is.
We missed a few episodes because I got sick after East Denver and came down with a really
bad case of bronchitis and had to take a week off and then the following weekend we had the following week
we had some cyber attack on x and you know the team said let's not do the show to jeopardize any
kind of cyber attack on us and i totally understood so we took a couple of weeks break which i welcome
because you know i'm super busy i travel a lot I had just came back from Paris
and Ordnance Paris and NFT Paris and then didn't just you know just last minute went to
East Denver to I was invited to be one of the first few you know chosen if you will I don't
like to use that word but you, with their rollout of the
MetaMask MasterCard. Um, and so I went to my first East Denver. That was really dope.
My art was shown there at the Noltre event, which, you know, it's my friend runs that and he does a
great job. And so that was good. But then when I got back, I guess my body was just out of it and
everybody was coughing there, you know, and giving hugs and stuff.
So I think I caught something.
But we're back.
We had a great show last week with my brother, who's an actor in Hollywood.
And he's also a poet.
And I've been sort of whispering in his ears gently to get his art and his poetry on Bitcoin.
And he's finally said yes.
Noah did a great job of interviewing him.
And I think I barely spoke in that space, which I like.
Believe it or not, you know, public speaking, as Seinfeld says,
is like the number one fear of people after death, number two.
But, you know, you got to do something that is uncomfortable for you
if you feel like it adds value to this movement.
And I feel like I'm trying to add value.
So I host this place.
So with that said, I want to introduce, first of all, I appreciate it.
I'm learning this stuff.
If everybody that is here, and I appreciate each and every one of you
because without you, this place wouldn't happen. If you can, please click on the bottom right and
retweet the room, make a comment, ask a question, post your art. If you have artwork that you like
people to see, I recommend everyone to follow the guests on stage and look around,
um, you know, to your top left, bottom, right. And, uh, follow people that you resonate with,
retweet their tweets, pin tweets to get them more eyeballs that doesn't cost anything. So with that said, welcome Tan Tan, Cybersea, and my friend Gadfly, and Elmo, who is an amazing founder of Orange Cube.
he does exactly what I, you know, you know, resonate with his and finding and uplifting
and, you know, bringing onboarding artists just like Tan Tan, Amir Fallah, who is a Persian,
fellow Persian artist. And hopefully we can get him on the shows. Yeah, welcome everybody.
And let's take it away. Let's start with just an introduction um from every
every guest on stage tan tan please go first i love your art i love the way you you know you
you think outside of the box i've never met any artist that does what you do and uh you know even
though you were on this space on Friday, I told you,
would you be open to doing it twice? You know, and you're like, yeah. And every time you come up,
you add so much value. And so many people, including myself, learn more about, you know,
gaming and, you know, on Bitcoin, you've done stuff on Tezos, which, you know, for those of you that have been around,
Tezos kind of is an old, you know, old chain that has been around for four years or something.
It came from, you know, Clubhouse days after, I forgot the name of that thing that closed down,
Meta something. Anyway, but Tantan, welcome. Please introduce yourself and tell us about yourself.
I want to also invite my friend Jennifer,
who is like a huge artist herself and a curator
and the founder of One Love DAO.
And she just has some great news to share with us,
which I'm super proud of.
So yeah, Tant Tan, welcome GM GM.
GM, thank you for inviting me on the Friday show
and today too.
So yeah, really appreciate it, Studio Paimon,
for doing this.
A bit about myself,
I'm a traditionally trained painter, like before everything, before, you know, I got into crypto and started like researching game as art. building and learning about Flemish painting an academic method for painting.
But now my practice has evolved into investigating the narrative potential of interactive digital
environments, specifically video games as an art form, and the evolution of the artistic material of video games. So if you look at parallels between the artistic innovations and contemporary digital art, I argue the new mediums become revolutionary when artists leverage their unique properties to recontextualize human experience.
Just as impressionists use portable oils to capture light and motion with unprecedented
immediacy, I feel digital artists can now create entire worlds that transcend physical
limitations.
And that's why, like, segming into video games as an artistic expression, right?
So by giving artists control over the fundamental laws and materials that govern the game world, the medium enabled the creation of reality adjacent realities.
That's my premise.
That's what I'm working towards.
To also, like, say that modern gaming culture mirrors
historical spiritual experiences.
So digital realms,
specifically video games to our generation,
serve as contemporary pilgrimage sites,
inviting deep participation and engagement of the viewer.
So I've created two pieces on Bitcoin called
Reality is Broken and Reality.exe that kind of both in some ways dive into this concept and
desktop simulation and what it might mean. So that's my background. That's my pieces on Bitcoin.
Again, thank you for inviting me. But yeah, that will be my background. That's my pieces on Bitcoin. Again, thank you for inviting me.
But yeah, that will be my introduction.
You're just like, since Clubhouse, I've been telling everybody, be your own original one
of one rather than a copy of someone else.
copy of someone else and you epitomize that and that's why i resonate with with uh you and want
And you epitomize that.
to uplift and spotlight you as many times as possible and uh every time i hear you i learn
something new and i i get inspired and you know just the fact that you are you know traditionally
trained artist and you know your, your inquisitive questions
add so much value to the spaces. And I've gotten this, you know, part of the reason I do this is
like the energy I get from it. And on days that I'm, you know, between meetings, I get up at like
530 in the morning Pacific time, get my kid ready, do a little meditation to get my day going. And then I'm
off to meetings and just working. And then, you know, sometimes you don't feel comfortable,
you know, being on spaces and being in charge of these, you know, like it's a privilege,
but at the same time, you know, it takes a lot of energy. But every time I host them, I get, and it's funny because I've talked to Maya,
who is the chief brand officer at Time and in charge of Time Pieces now,
that my friend Keith Grossman has moved on to Moonpay.
But I be talking the back channels and text.
I'm like, Maya, I'm so tired today.
It's Friday. I don't feel like you
know like I don't have the energy but she we always say hey you know be whenever we do have
them it does give us energy it uplifts us and it's really this is the reason I do this is because people like you and CyberSea and Jennifer and Gadfly and others, Tony Bravo just, you know, joined us, which this is a first.
I love this guy.
He does, you know, you know, like he's he's here for doing crypto for good.
And I can't wait to hear him.
But, you know, that's that's why I do this it's
you know you're a prolific artist and you add so much value to the ecosystem and it's easy to
to just get over your tiredness or lack of energy because this thing is you know 24 7 and I travel all over the world I get sick
sometimes from the traveling and then I have my own IRL stuff that I you know work that I and my
family that I need to attend to and so they say every time you say yes to somebody you're saying
no to yourself and that is totally true but this movement, I feel like it's really imperative for me to continue my mission.
And so you make it easy.
So thank you for joining.
And we'll get to you in a second to start talking about your dope projects.
I want to go to Cybersea.
You know, Cybersea is an amazing generative artist.
He's a creative coder and he works with my talented and again talk about originality and
original art his artwork is one of a kind and i definitely appreciate him and when i talked to him
he agreed to be on the space and um here here we are i'm happy to have you. CyberSea, welcome. Introduce yourself, please, to the
crowd. And I really am happy that finally we got you to Beyond Art on Bitcoin.
GM, GM, first of all, really thank you for the invitation. And yeah, a few words about me. So before I was doing generative art, I was a programmer.
In fact, I was studying game programming, which I normally not talk about,
but as Tantan is so excited with creating games and stuff like that,
I think it's worth mentioning.
Yeah, I started creating the generative art. with creating games and stuff like that. I think it's worth mentioning.
Yeah, I started creating the generative art. And in fact, I discovered crypto during the COVID pandemic.
And from that point on, I was
trying to create some cool generative art.
When ordinars appear, I switch a bit
because this movement of ordinals really, really make me interested
and wanted to dive into it.
So my idea that goes through my collections on Bitcoin
was not to just create art on bitcoin but to
create art about bitcoin to really show how it works to educate people what and how art on bitcoin can work and why this medium is so important and so great to use so yeah i released
already my previous collection last year on february it was there was ex machina and it was
in fact the first collection that was connected to the Bitcoin blockchain.
And that was also speaking about the Bitcoin because it was some kind of metaphor of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I will not go deep right now, but that's the main point.
And now I continue this work to somehow, you know, catch this cypherpunk movement around the Bitcoin into my art and
use it and show it to people so they can better understand what is happening and why this
this movement is so important
movement is so important and what is the possibility of this movement.
and what is the possibility of this movement.
And yeah, that's the main goal of the things
that I'm creating right now.
Yeah, I guess that will be my introduction for now.
Thank you, Noon.
You did a great job and I can't wait.
I was scrolling down.
I'm still trying to learn to multitask. When I have these
spaces, I try to scroll up and down and try to find the other project that I fell in love with.
And I couldn't. But so if you can, please, you know, pin it to the top. And I appreciate the
way you kept your introduction succinct. I want to just quickly, before we go to Tantan,
and I'm trying to keep the spaces to an hour maximum,
to an hour and a half because, you know,
I have other meetings that I schedule from 1 o'clock, 1.30 p.m.,
but sometimes I'm late, so I have to let my staff know
that, hey, I'll be in 15 minutes.
But, you know, it's a joy because it truly, the conversation flows. You can't never,
like I said, from clubhouse days, I felt like I was in a museum and I was, you know, looking left, looking right and up and down. And I discovered so many dope artists and felt like, you know, it's, it felt like a very natural thing as a creative director and a former educator to on, to spotlight these artists, to make sure that every artist deserves it
and has good intentions and gets their story told
and their arts shared.
So that's why I do what I do.
But, Tony, I know you have your hand up,
and I want to welcome you before we go to the other guests.
But much love to you, man.
I mean, I love everything you do with Diamond and Six and it's always a pleasure to see you last time I saw you was in Denver I think
and before that was in Miami when you had this awesome inner city onboarding inner city youth
and like you know I did speeches that you gave them the the gifts the
you know the art workshops like everything that you do is something that i resonate with and i'm
like i told you i'm excited to partner up with you guys to do that same thing here in northern
california so much love to you thanks for showing up. Please introduce yourself. Tell the audience a little bit about you.
Oh, hey, how's everyone doing? My name is Tony Bovado. I'm from Universal Records,
been in Wrecking Street for 15 years, hospitality nightlife industry. Now I've been in blockchain
technology and crypto for over five, I think going on six years, you know, helping existing
businesses, bringing blockchain technology like never before. And um you know helping existing businesses uh bringing blockchain
technology like never before and you know we do a lot of you know hotel revampions as well too we
we have digital galleries as the one love art gallery here i'm here to support my friend jennifer
uh so i'm in this space i saw her in here and i saw my boy pop in here and and i was wanting to
support her because she just sold out her collection of visible violence so i'm here to to congratulate her and all the efforts
of women you know we just wrapped up women history month we had we hosted a brunch down in miami
at the gates hotel and and now she has as sufficiently uh uh sold out her collection so
my hat's off to you jennifer i'm not going to take too much of your time,
but you know me, I'm always giving it up to
the next person. And I just want to
thank you and thank you all
the women who made this possible,
all the hard work. And
I guess, Jennifer, if you want to talk, go ahead.
Oh, Tony.
I was not expecting that. Thank you
so much. That's so kind of you.
And yeah, man, we did it
because you played a role, a big role. And Diamond too. Diamond was one of the co-curators.
And, you know, we had this lovely brunch event that, you know, he just mentioned and they did
such a great job of making it special, making, you know, the women happy with not only just the digital art that was
displayed, but also the setup of the table. It was really just such a nice vibe. And we connected
with some really great people. It was more intimate, like it wasn't like a very big brunch,
but it was really good because we connected with somebody from the Chamber of Commerce and like an older
group of ladies who were really curious about Bitcoin and art on Bitcoin specifically. So
I really enjoyed, you know, every second of our work together and collaborating,
the three of us. So thank you. And yeah, we did sell out. It was really great. And I mean,
I could definitely talk about it. Uh, but I, I want to make sure that like, you know, we don't,
um, go out of order with whoever's up on the stage. So you let me know payment whenever I can
talk. Absolutely. Jennifer. I mean, you and I have known each other for a few years now, and we talked yesterday.
And, you know, I'm so proud of you, as Tony said, for you to have, you know, the integrity
to and intentionality that the way you conduct yourself and everything you do since day one,
I met you.
And I'm so proud of the growth that you've, you know, experienced here
and the support. And, you know, there was no doubt in my mind, even though, you know, this is a
difficult time to sell out a collection, especially of artists that are not well known yet in this
space, in the ordinal space, but you got so much love and the artists, their work was
spectacular. And, you know, we had you on the time pieces, art on Bitcoin, then we had you,
you met my friend, Good Things, he had you on his show. And subsequently, we had you on Moby Media Space and I know how hard you work
and one thing I want to you know mention is that as a curator especially if it's not a solo curation
for one artist you know part of the hard work that an hours and effort that you put into the curation which is normally usually without
any kind of pay unless you work with an entity that has a budget and they ask you to do it like
base or you know avalanche or any of these other big companies usually it's you know pro bon usually it's, you know, pro bono. It's, you know, I used to like joke and say,
I'm the pro bono Jerry Maguire of the Web3 artist here.
And, you know, hopefully we can change that
because it's not sustainable.
But so you get to, you know,
include your own art in the curation
and your selfless act of not even putting your own beautiful art in the curation. And your selfless act of not even putting your own beautiful art in the curation
is something that needs to be spotlighted and talked about. And that says a lot about your
character. Again, talk about intentionality, moving with integrity. You epitomize both of those traits. So I'm glad that you're here and I'm glad that
you accomplished your goal of, you know, when you put your mind to something and your words matter,
the world wants to, whether you believe in God or the universe, one thing I've learned is that the words and your intentions that you put out helps you manifest your goals.
And you said it from day one.
I'm not going to close the mint after a couple of days.
We're going to go until the end of the month, which is this historical, well-deserved woman international month.
And you did it.
You did it with a day to spare, you know, which is, I mean, I don't know.
It's just such a big, big accomplishment.
And I'm so proud of you.
And I know Gatfly was a huge supporter of that amongst others in the space that we had. So Gatfly, you have
your hand up. You're a prolific artist. First, give us a quick introduction of yourself and
then whatever else you want to say about that collection.
collection
uh oh am i am i rugged i can't hear the gas fly
yeah i can hear you i think gas fly might be rugged i can't hear a gas fly
brother can you go down or out of the space and come back oh can you hear i heard something yeah
yeah now you can okay groovy
guys hey no i just want to build on what jen was saying you know i mean like um uh as a as a proud
dad of two amazing ladies uh i'm you know who are trying to get their art on chain as well i
i fully support you know um their work and and it was nice to kind of be in a couple of those
spaces where jen was in there and and she's nice to kind of be in a couple of those spaces where Jen was in
there and, and she's such an advocate and a champion for all those, those 20 ladies, those
artists and being able to connect with them and chat with them offline and have similarities.
There's an artist in New York. Um, and I had collected one of her works and just chatting,
you know, coming from the TV and film industry myself. Um, and she's in, you know,
public relationships or public relations and marketing and stuff. So it's just nice. So yeah,
shout out to Jen, you know, um, and for me, you know, I'm just a storyteller at heart. I've always
been a storyteller. Um, I, you know, my roots are in Hollywood and television and, and I was a radio,
uh, news director in, in college at UC Davis and I'm a California kid, you know, and I was a radio news director in college at UC Davis. And
I'm a California kid, you know, and I did the LA thing for many years and was a writer
at Fox and directed Power Rangers and kids TV and Spider-Man and loved that. And, you
know, really just didn't make enough money as a writer because you can't quantify over
time. They're always just write faster. So I shifted over into editing. And to me, editing was kind of the coolest thing on the planet because
it all finishes there. You're the last one to touch story. And I shifted into editing and I
faked it till I made it and edited kids TV and had a place to experiment.
I was at Fox Digital and I was working with some older editors and they didn't get me.
And I wanted to do like these seven frame edits
with stutter cuts into like Spider-Man.
And they're like, no, it's wide shot, medium shot, tight shot,
which was kind of the
sitcom and different type of storytelling. And I was like, no, dude, we don't need that. They
don't need that. They don't need to establish the frame. Let's just do this. And they wouldn't do
it. So I stayed after work and it was a union shop and I would get in on the systems and I basically self-taught myself
the avid media composer and moved into editing and happily to be a vested motion picture editor
and writers guild. And then got into art and went down the ETH route and did some really cool long story form. Had acquired some stuff of Snoop Dogg's
and I was really, I love to combine mediums.
So I put some music with October London's vocals.
And my first ETH piece was a really good hit.
I had some massive collectors collect that.
And then I kind of got like a
little, not soured on ETH, but I just felt like it was too expensive for most people. And I wanted
everyone to get the art. And I loved, and I fell into a Tezos rabbit hole and went down the Tezos
rabbit hole and really explored art. And then this thing called ordinals happened.
And I got into that in February.
I was,
had made some art for super rare and I was getting ready to do that.
And then this whole thing about ordinals and the art actually being Bitcoin
and Satoshi's really clicked for me.
And I kind of left Tezos and ETH
and just went all in
and was up for months
and put as much art on chain
much like ZK was doing
and a lot of us were doing
and thank God for Gamma
I just can't thank Nick
and that team enough
to create
an on-ramp to get your art on chain, learned compression having come
from TV and the complications or the limitations, or some people would freak out, but it's a
challenge, and I love a challenge. Much like when I used to edit mass form television, sometimes
you have to approach story from different ways. And when you do volume,
massive volume, thousands and thousands of hours and episodes. I was a staffer at Paramount Pictures
for decades. And sometimes you got to make it fun for yourself. And I would go in with certain
color palettes, like I would do a shift and I had to tell X number of, you know, two minute stories that would go on to network television.
Um, and sometimes you got to make it fun.
And I would, I would approach like, Hey, I'm going to, today I'm going to do, you know,
the animats with like this cutout and that cutout and this, you know, these four different
things and, you know, eight cuts of music and, and, um, you you just you had to have fun you know i mean
because that's the whole point of story is making it fun and so yeah long story short just fell in
love with ordinals i fell in love with pyman and what he's bringing and always wanted to support
artists and um just here here to do it you know i was in a space earlier today and I've just been going through a lot myself with my parents,
both passing away. And as an artist, you evolve. And I have several pieces in production. So I did,
I put this fist of chaos out. It really spoke for me. It's power to the people. And there was a space on the democratization of art.
And I had to Google that word.
And it's all about on-ramping and bringing people in
and power to the people.
And this fist was kind of my statement
because I try and make statements.
I try to get purpose.
I try to evoke emotion.
And for me, Bitcoin is the shortest form of storytelling
you know my art's anywhere from three to 70 frame animations and um and it's it's so much different
than you know when you have tezos or ethan and really you know 100 megabit is your limit and
you can do a lot with that but when you have 400 kilobits it, the price of entry on Bitcoin makes you put a lot more value and thought into your art.
And obviously, I put this piece through at one sat fee.
I've never gotten anything through the pool, anything that would approach that back in the day.
In the case of my glitched gold, which is my sub 1 million collection.
Um, I had many pieces that, that, that collection was going to be larger than 36.
Um, it ended up being 36 cause that was my mental cutoff was I wanted it all to be a
sub 1 million and, um, many things hit the pool and then there was just it raged and the pool set at 30 40 50 went up to 250 320
um it just raged and it wasn't until july 4th of 2023 that several pieces of my art
the pool sat down and let stuff come through it like five sats six sats seven sats
and even back then you know this art's to $600 per piece to inscribe. So to get a piece through at one sat, I thought would never, ever happen.
So just for any artists out there, please take advantage of this.
You never know when the pool could take a left turn and it could go for a long run.
It's unprecedented that we could get, we could get something through the pool. Typically, I would
have never done one sat just because I'd fear it. But that pool, I'd seen many come through at zero
sats, which I just never even processed that. And so I tried one and the commit fee hit and it took about three more for,
you know,
the Bitcoin has a commit fee and then there's a reveal fee.
So basically you throw your art into it.
It has to kind of take the payment and then the art kind of tumbles through
and comes out.
So it's kind of a two-step process when you put art through the chain.
So I just want to thank Pyman,
you know
more art conversations my dms are always open and and um this piece that i'm dropping is going to
drop on gamma today uh in about an hour or so so i just want to share that and i'm honored to be here
i appreciate you gas fly on you since i met you I thought I pinned your post to the top. Tell me if it's showing, but I will do it again. But like, you know, I got to, you know, meet you like on at the beginning of this movement with the Ordnals a few years ago but then when we opened you know the super chief ordinals gallery the
first one of its kind in san francisco and in february of 24 i want to say if that was the day
i met you in person yeah it was it was it was blowing up it was beautiful because casey was
there and aaron was there and and i i actually yeah i mean i was doing an interview interview
with violetta for a little piece that
I was working on and I happened to bring my Canon C200 there and Bitcoin Magazine was there and I
ended up recording the Hell Money podcast because nobody was there to record it and I recorded
Violetta's song and I happened to get a spoken word by Nero there that was just off the charts. And we got to get that footage out there.
You know what I mean?
Because that was really the first conversation that Aaron and Casey had had about runes.
And there was a lot of in-depth conversation there.
And there's so much info in there that I think the community would love.
And I think I got to get that.
I handed it off i handed
the video off to bitcoin magazine and i just don't know if it um if it went anywhere or if it you know
found light of day so i will i will bring that up because i i consult and i curate for a bitcoin
conference i and violetta is an amazing artist I don't know if you remember if you were
there the second night when, and if you have any footage of that, anyone that was there,
uh, for the collaboration that I had with Violetta, which was a very impromptu, like without
any kind of practice I had, you know, I'm a musician myself and I played the piano since I was five years old. And
from like college days when I had this little tiny tape recorder to record my professors,
you know, I'm a very slow writer and note taker. So I use these like tiny little,
these tiny little recorders to record my professors' lectures.
And I used the same one when I was in the studio making art,
or if I was in nature and a melody would come through my head,
I whistled the melody so that I wouldn't lose it
before I get to the keys of the piano.
And Violetta was kind enough to,
when I was curating her for Art Basel in 2023 for Bass House,
I shared a couple of mine because they asked me,
hey, you need to not just curate,
you need to put one of your artworks in there. And for those of you that know me,
I've been
very like very very slow and thoughts you know thoughtful about putting my art on the blockchain
because i want i have 30 plus years of art that's both digital and physical and music that i wanted
to make sure that i choose the right things that I would put up and
she's like oh my god I can't get these melodies out of my head they're like Italian film score
music and you know so I shot my shot and I said hey do you mind if we if I share some whistling
melodies with you and we do a collab together and perform.
And when she came to San Francisco and, you know, when I met you,
I asked her like the day after the first night, I said,
hey, I was so inspired by what you said.
And I have this new piece that I just made while I was walking my dog in the rain,
and I recorded it, and I sent it to her, and she goes,
Oh my God, this is beautiful. Yes, let's do it.
So before her set, we went behind the gallery next to the garbage cans in the alley,
and my wife actually has a video of it, like for five minutes I whistled and she
kind of said okay I got it let's go and then um I'm like no no no guarantees that I will show up
on space and I might run the other direction when you introduce me but I'll do my best and I actually
jumped in the arena again like you know um you gotta do what's
uncomfortable when you when you really believe and you're passionate about something and I did
that on everybody including a lot of friends including uh you know Dennis from Bitcoin
Magazine and Bitcoin Conference which I work with now and I curated Nashville and Abu Dhabi with them,
and I'm going to hopefully be doing the Las Vegas curation
of Bitcoin conference.
But everybody, like Sonny from the D-Gods, said,
hey, man, I have this video someone took of me
when you were whistling, and I was in a zone.
I kind of was in a meditative zone.
And even Ralph and Ordinale, who are like the top two, you know,
Bitcoin engineers, they became my fans.
And Ordinale, I joke around with.
And he's been now seeing me in four different uh cities around the world and
you know and so um that was definitely a special night and if you have any footage of that I
appreciate it um but yeah I remember meeting you got Gatfly and you know since then we've had some
really deep conversations and one thing i want
to say about this movement i see bunsey my friend bunsey and uh hat banger uh in the in on stage
and i'm so glad that both of you are on stage too because you guys are creating dope ass shit
you know i'm from silicon valley and i as I mentioned earlier, the first time I
touched a computer was 1982. I'm aging myself, which I'm proud of, you know, like, I feel like
I'm 12 years old at heart, but obviously, I'm 55. So I've experienced, you know, different,
you know, times. And I've been part of the history of this whole tech movement and it's such a
pleasure and that's why i don't give up during the bear market bull markets i'm here i've been
here i never gone anywhere i put time and resources out of my own pocket to go to these
events when i curate because i don't think at first it was great to
have artists being shown on screens now I'm not happy not that the artists tell me but I'm not
happy if I go to a show that I curate and the artwork doesn't get sold or it doesn't get
introduced to like potential fellow collectors of mine and so that's why you know I go to these
events and like I said I sometimes get sick but I think it's not enough just to put art
on the screens it's it's very important to tell the story of the artist and their you know their
history and that's why I go to these things and you know I met Hatbanger and you know, their history. And that's why I go to these things.
And, you know, I met Hatbanger and, you know, Bunzy in Paris.
They're creating dope-ass stuff with music,
which is right up my alley, with beat blocks.
I think that they have a drop with Rare Skrilla,
who's become a very good friend of mine um since you know a couple
years ago so we'll get to you guys too and then we need to really get started with tan tan and
cyber see who have been patiently i know tan tan is in india and like every time i reach out to her
she's like i'll set the alarm even though the hours are like crazy. The differences in hours are just absolutely crazy. If it was me, I would say, sorry, man,
you know, make your show at a time that I'm not actually have to get up early in the morning
or middle of the night. But again, that's what makes me bullish on Tantan because it's easy to say no.
And I actually encourage people to say no more often because as I'm getting older and I'm learning more from my mentors in the Stanford business school that I still keep in touch with, they talk about how important it is to say no, then yes, more and more.
And I have a hard time of saying no because I want to help everybody as much as I can. that dilutes you, that takes away time, like I said, from my own art and music and my own family,
which is even more important than my art. But I want my legacy to be someone that is remembered
that, hey, this guy gave it all he had to make sure everybody that deserved it got the spotlight.
And that's why I do these things, you know,
whether it's curation or holding spaces or empowering people on the back channel.
And those of you that know me, you know that I'm old school. I rather take a call rather than DMs.
I hate, I mean, I don't like to say hate because hate is such a, you strong word but i just you know strongly dislike dming because
they get overwhelmed like with all these group chats with all these like dms in these different
apps i don't even post on instagram which is funny because i had 450 just organic in one year organic followers and once I got on Clubhouse I it went up to five
and a half thousand followers and I I don't have time to post everywhere I go which then I feel
like it's too late to post on it because the time has passed so when I went to you know Paris you know
I've been February I didn't post anything about it in Instagram you know
East Denver before that you know Nashville and there's a lot to post but
you know like you have to find your partners and that's why I really value
and I gave cyber see and his beautiful wife compliments because they work as a team.
She was there taking photos and posting things on Instagram.
And when I talked to Cybersea, Cybersea was like, yeah, it's difficult for me to post.
you know and so i felt validated that i'm not the only one you know so that's why i'm going to be
And so I felt validated that I'm not the only one.
partnering with jennifer if you know if god willing if everything works out because she's
prolific and you know everybody has their own skill sets right and we need to as a career you
know chief creative officer in silicon valley for like the past three decades, one of the things that I've
had the honor of doing is to putting together DoPAS talent together to, you know, create brands,
you know, advertisement and, you know, do marketing for Silicon Valley and, you know,
overseas companies. And I feel like this is one of the reasons that
I have a good eye and good kind of ear also. And I see my brother, Rare Squirrella, we have a saying
in Farsi that when somebody is speaking good about you, your ears starting to buzz. So his ears must be have been buzzing because I love Rare Scarella I talk about an OG artist and
musician that is so humble I mean just like Coldy Robness you know like you know when I I see him
he doesn't give me any like you know not that you he does, that's great. But then I'm not going to be, you know, I'm not going to like go too much into my past because I like to talk about other people. But I've taught Steve Jobs kids. You know, I was a professor at a college prep. teaching Photoshop and Flash and Illustrator and Macromedia
Director to these kids. The only complaint I have from you is that you don't teach Keynote
and you teach PowerPoint. I was like, Steve, you almost made me shit in my pants. I don't have Keynote's, you know, license.
So if you don't get intimidated by some genius, you know, extraordinary person like him that God rest his soul, nobody else is going to intimidate me.
You know, I met Sergey Brin the other day on a wine and walk, neighborhood walk, and I didn't recognize him.
And in the same night, I met this other guy, Amir Bendali, who is another billionaire.
He's the youngest billionaire in the world at 26.
And he was willing flip-flops with his wife.
He and his wife and my wife, we totally connected.
He looked Persian.
So I thought that, hey, I said, hey, Amir, you sound like my Persian cousin.
He said, I'm half Pakistani, half Polish.
And we connected.
But I didn't recognize this other guy, even though he's like obviously the co-founder of Google.
And he kind of got pissed off at me a little bit and showed a little bit of attitude.
And I don't care who you are and how much money you have.
So those things don't intimidate me.
But anyway, I digress.
We have a lot of people.
I'm trying to get Skrilla up on the stage.
But I want to get started because we already are in almost an hour into the show and we haven't even you know
gotten our main two uh amazing artists to talk about their art so tan tan uh while i try to get
raro scrilla on the space and also i see my friend grego um you know and i'm trying to get him up. Maybe Moby, can you make Jennifer my co-host so we can
try to get more people on the stage, please? Thank you. And again, Moby Media, God bless them.
I'm going to take them to the moon because this guy, Noah, works his ass off with his,
with his, you know, staff. And, you know, I, I'm a very good friend
with
Farukh.
He's a fellow Persian
with
Rug Radio and I've known him since
Clubhouse. But people
like Noah that are so humble
and so willing to share
their space and
what they're building,
they make it easier for me to want to work with them,
you know?
So shout out to Moby.
Thank you for making Jennifer a co-host.
Jennifer,
if you can help me bring up rare scrilla,
I'm trying,
but it doesn't work,
but I tried again.
Hopefully that would work.
And then Greg,
Greg,
you know,
we have a limited space on this, on the stage, but.
Well, I'm about to step down, Piper, and I just want to let y'all know, I appreciate
what y'all, what y'all doing to the space, and shout out to you, Jennifer, shout out
to the team, once again, love you guys.
Love you, Tony.
Yeah, Tony, you, you, you inspire me to, you know, to every day, the only person, I always say this, this movement is not about competition.
It's rather than competition, it's collaboration.
And you continue to, and he left, but I still want to shout him out.
He continues to give back. And one of the most important experiences of my Miami art basil, and I've been to these
like now four times, my art has been showing at the scope event. And, you know, I've curated for
base house and, you know, like been there like for four years. But when I went and I, every time I go to these places, by the way, I want to get the
heck out of there after, after the first day, because I'm like, I accomplished what I came
here for.
And I'm out of here.
Even Paris, I went two days after I finished speaking on stage.
And I think Cyber Steve could attest to this.
I came and said goodbye to him and Gerard.
And I said, I'm out of here because I needed to go home.
I need to be with my family.
I need to sleep in my own bed.
I need to take my dog for a walk, which it's, you know, nature is healing for me.
So, Tony, I love you.
I hope that everybody checks out Tony's profile, you know, follows him and his partner, you know,
Diamond. They're doing amazing things. We need to onboard young youth, you know, of the inner city
of America. And it's funny because last night I had a date with my wife and we were walking in the,
you know, after dinner in the neighborhood and we met some, you know, young, you know,
juniors from my daughter's school and they asked me, hey, what are you in? Like, what,
what do you like, you know, have any, you know, any kind of, um, you know, advice for us? And I
said, yeah, look into crypto, look into getting your arts and your music onto, you know, Bitcoin. And, um, you know, just even if you put $20 into Bitcoin,
uh, think of it as a piggy bank that is going to be there at 17. You have so much to gain from this.
And some kid took, one of the kids took out his phone. He goes, Oh my God, I have to take notes
of this, you know? And I think we, like what Tony is doing is exactly
what resonates with me because I, I've been in the education business and empowerment
of the youth for over 20 years.
And, um, because of Tony, I'm inspired to do more, but with that said, let's get started.
Let's go to Tantan.
Tantan, I love your artwork.
I love, you I love everything you do
in this space. And I would like for you to get into what you're doing with your latest project.
And you can start with the other project that I pinned to the top. If you guys scroll to the
beginning, Tantan has created this thing called Reality is Broken, and it's a game.
I've been in Silicon Valley.
I taught actually the EA Sports, Chick Hawkins, his kids as well.
So I've been in gaming, invested in EA sports early on. And, but what Tantan is doing
with art on Bitcoin is another level. And so with that, with further ado, I want to give Tantan the
space, um, to talk about her work, the way that she creates her process and everything. So Tantan,
the way that she creates her process and everything.
So Tan Tan, go ahead, please.
No, thank you.
But before we go into that,
I just want to say, you know,
sorry for your loss, Gadfly,
as you were saying that.
It's just like, yeah, that was,
those are something that's, you know,
hopefully that you're doing well.
But yeah, that's, I'm really sorry for your loss.
Also, in respect to Studio Pieman and you doing all these spaces,
I just want to share something that's really interesting.
I don't know if you know this, but I am kind of like a shut-in.
I hardly leave my house.
So for me to be in spaces and given the opportunity to talk about
my work is, yeah, it's like the best because I don't leave. I have a really messed up sleeping
schedule too. So I'm like awake at weird hours, you know, so I'm like, oh, really, really appreciate
you, you know, to getting me in spaces to talk about my work. So thank you for that.
Now, like moving on to reality.exe and Reality is Broken. Both of them kind of the idea behind is to think about the piece that both of these pieces kind of deal
with themes of digital archaeology.
So weaving the internet's capacity to reclaim cultural heritage, artifacts and identities
into its core gameplay.
So I feel with gaming, the idea of transposing the audience into an enclosed, illusionary visual space was not born with the invention of the computer.
Instead, it is grounded in a solid art historical tradition whose core idea reaches back to antiquity.
So with this, I feel it's this tradition that has been revived and expanded in the immersive digital art of the current age.
And I feel it kind of excludes the sensation of being alienated by the image, by like a single static image and surrounds the observer in an illusionary setting where time and space is one.
So that's like the premise for like reality is broken and reality.exe.
Reality.exe is a bit different that it builds on top of
reality is broken because they are interoperable.
They both share a consensus between them.
So a quest or a code in that will be inputted in
the other to validate like a pixelated version of the blockchain.
So there was that to it too.
But with reality.exe it uses a desktop simulation
um to kind of like imitate a cognitive space that reflects like my like mental activities
and habits because I feel there's there's a really interesting quote by one of the NetArt people that says,
there's a hacker slogan, we love your computer.
We also, when you're inside someone's computer,
you're really on it because you're in that person's cognitive space.
So that's how I feel it's different.
NFTs in general are different and have differentiated themselves in the contemporary art world because a gallery representation and showing something in a gallery versus a digital space is very different because there is a strange mix of intimacy when you create things specifically for screen. You have the intimacy but also the monumentality.
It's out there, it's in the public domain,
accessible to everyone that all online artworks possess.
That was a bit of my thesis about what I work towards,
what is reality.exe, and what is reality is broken.
But what Pyman said about the newest piece, it's called Codex 2.
It's an interesting intermediate piece between reality.exe and the expansion pack,
which is going to be available on Steam,
which is a Unity build with,
I wouldn't call it open-world gaming.
It's not totally open-world.
There is a cap to it,
but it's fairly huge in terms of
the visuals and the aesthetics of it,
but also the square area it covers.
But with the codex, I like drop like a bit of a teaser coming soon.
But the idea behind the codex is, again, this idea,
because I really love like architecture architecture in the Gothic era, in the Renaissance era, but also the sacredness of temples and cathedrals and what it meant to our past generations.
It was a way to experience something spiritual and bigger than yourself.
experience something spiritual and like bigger than yourself, you know? And I remember playing
one of these games called, um, near automata. Um, like my brother was playing it. I was like
sitting in the back, like watching and absorbing it. Right. And it just like shook me. It was about
philosophy. You know, it, it was so mind blowing that I was like, oh my God, this is, you know,
this is where our generations go to, to have these spiritual experiences that are so engaging.
So with this and like what remains of Edith Finch, I started looking into video games,
not as like mere entertainment that you consume, that is being marketed to,
but more of it as like an art form in the fine art world,
but also like what stories it could tell, right?
So with the Codex, it's a WebGL game
that incorporates reality.exe.
So like moving, it's about moving beyond the conversations about appropriation.
And it's more about the cross-pollination of culture that happens on the Internet.
But yeah, that's the main idea behind Codex and the evolution of cultural exchange. exchange so it dives into a lot of Cambodian relics that people find and
excavate in that digital space to then figure out what it means.
It comes with an LLM that doesn't have
an API that's fetching the request,
but it's in the user's browser.
There's also weapon systems that's specifically for reality.exe holders,
a bit of extended game through text RPGs. What else?
It was a huge project because this like codex has been in the making for like
two years or so and even like before reality.exe you know i was like working on it for like six
seven months like fully like just fully concentrated but at some point I feel I get bored of my own pieces and I need to move on to something
that's new and makes my brain working again.
So I had to pivot to something else, kind of like how I'm doing with Expansion Pack.
At one point I couldn't bear to look at it.
At one point I feel like everything I make looks like shit.
So I think to get me over the point of view,
yeah, I need to take a break.
So this is where Codex, you know, came into being again.
And I started working on it.
And it's going to be released hopefully soon
after I'm like done with the beta.
But yeah, that's it it's so interesting
that you mentioned like even though your art is so unique and one of a kind and I don't know
raise your hands everybody I mean thank you Jennifer but like if if you look at these pieces that she's creating and the way that she explains it, to me, there should be no doubt.
And unfortunately, us artists, most of us are, I don't know if anybody's heard of, highly sensitive people.
Artists are highly sensitive people and we are, you know, we break down with our own, unfortunately, negative thoughts.
We create roadblocks for ourselves.
But with that said, though, Tan Tan, I feel like you know that you're dope.
You know that you're one of a kind artist and that's why you continue
to create and you know the the reason that i really enjoy like spotlighting you and having
you and conversing with you and you know of course i enjoy our one-on-one conversations but
when you i want everyone else to hear you. I want people like in this space,
I don't know how many, like, you know, like this, this basis is like, you know, all about
spreading the, the, the, the information and sharing, even if one person connects with you,
which I know more than that, if out of this 200 people that are in this space will connect with you, because I have gotten these awesome messages, which gets me kind of like fueled to continue these.
The fact that you continue to be yourself and continue to make, you know, art that resonates with you and a state of the arts, like it's state of the technology.
I hope that if even if you have like doubts, they will get shut down and you, you know, you know, you continue to do what you're doing because there's no like I know.
And that's why I'm proud of that.
You will go down in history in one of the most prolific artists in this movement.
And there's no doubt in my mind that I know that sounds maybe a little bit.
I don't know, whatever you want to call it.
Positive, over positive. But I've been around art and music and technology for like three, over three decades, like I said.
And, you know, someone like you, in this last four years, I've never come across anybody like you.
So you're super unique. You're so smart. You're so like thoughtful
and everything you do is with intentionality. And it's, uh, you know, there's no doubt that
you will be recognized in art history, uh, as someone that contributed big time in this movement.
So I, I see some hands up. I want to go to Jennifer, my co-host first,
and then we'll go to, I think it was Greg. Jennifer helped me or it was malicious sheep.
Okay. Yeah. So Hey, Tantan, I just had a question. So reality is broken. I took a look at the
inscription, the ordinals, saw the parents, saw the children, think it's brilliant.
I'm like just in shock right now at the level of like just dopeness, to be honest.
I had a question, though, that may seem kind of like, I don't know, like I hope it doesn't sound like like noob type of questions because I'm fairly new to like Bitcoin.
But there's two components to this, correct? So there's the actual ordinal that you can collect. And then if you get this,
then is it correct to say that then you can go onto like a URL and play it? Or is it all part
of the ordinal? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question. It's not.
Please don't worry about it.
I ask dumb questions all the time.
And it's not dumb.
Okay.
So it's all ordinal. It's nothing.
It's everything.
The game's playable on-chain.
So, yeah.
It's not a different thing. So, like, yeah. It's not, like, a different thing.
So, reality.exe, reality
is broken, and reality.exe, the
quest and the interplay between
them are all on-chain. There's
no, yeah. Also,
like, if you go to
ardenalds.com and
look at the inscriptions, you can
check into what is
the developer thing on your browser and
look at the code and everything behind it.
So yeah, hopefully that makes sense.
That's incredible.
So it's through coding that in essence, this was made and then you can play it.
And then I guess I have another follow-up question for something
like that. Uh, what type of like file size would, uh, that be? And I'm just curious to wrap my mind
around like how difficult maybe that inscription was, how, um, expensive, like the sort of technical side of it? Mm-hmm. So I started working on it.
Like, it took me around, like, six months
to get used to HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.
Before that, I was working with C Sharp and C++,
which is a more game engine-based coding languages.
But with, like, me working with Unreal Engine and Unity, I also was
in the gaming part for my education. I studied the commercial sides of art. So it was more
like the commercial side of art, gaming, design, and everything that has nothing to do with fine art.
I already worked with a bit of
freelance companies when I was going out of college,
in the art department, so modeling and everything.
I'm really used to gaming software.
Always game development software with C++ and C-Sharp,
which requires huge file size.
For me to venture into HTML,
CSS, and JavaScript on Bitcoin was
a hard pill to swallow just because of the file size limits,
as you said, because it's like going from 100 GB on Tezos,
200, 250 MB to a one megabyte file,
which I was like,
I don't think I can even do something that's visually engaging.
So when I started working on it,
I started figuring out how do I get,
because I am a visual maximalist by craft, so I don't hold back visually. And it was more so
about like compression of the code and getting those like assets in. It was a fairly, I wouldn't call it like a walk in the park.
Right now, I feel like I'm
comfortable with that part of the coding,
and I've familiarized myself with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.
But at first, it was hard to figure out because again,
these two pieces were my first time
venturing into like Bitcoin, you know, like Bitcoin and Bitcoin technology. I think like
from that, like in your past, I've like moved towards like React 3 Fiber and like all those
other libraries that I feel just works better because I now might have like more
knowledge about it. In terms of like the inscription costs, it depends on like how much the size of it
is. So the actual inscriptions of themselves are not that crazy. You know, like, it is still crazy,
but it's, like, not, like, crazy.
But the delegation, a thousand edition,
was, like, the biggest part.
But the inscriptions themselves were, like,
I think it costed around, like, $2,000 to, like, $3,000
for, like, the actual pieces.
But then the delegates at the time that we inscribed,
it was we inscribed at a really high SAT.
So we were inscribing at like 50 SATs per view by 70 sets per view by,
because we were inscribing at like the halving.
So that costed like another 20k to do the the delegates uh but like the actual
pieces themselves weren't that much the the the issue came for like the delegation if you have
like uh different sats that you want to inscribe on so uh one of the the pieces are inscribed on a rare set,
like the main reality.exe, which is a parent,
and then the delegates,
or some of them are inscribed in rare sets,
but some of them are not.
So the delegates were the most costly.
Also, to get them parented and
everything else was kind of interesting.
But, yeah, hopefully that makes sense.
That was great, really.
Thank you for that rundown.
And then I guess I just have maybe one more question.
So these thousand editions delegates, right, where can people get them?
Is it through your website or is it on a marketplace?
It is. It it on a marketplace?
It is. It is on a marketplace called Magic Eden. The piece is called reality.exe. So you can type that out. Also, if you want to go through with my website, there's like a buy page and like
that there is a heading called inscriptions on Bitcoin. When you click purchase, it just redirects you to Magic Eden webpage
if you don't want to go through all that.
Perfect.
Also, they're also available on Gamma as well, just as of recently.
So, shouts out to Gamma.
Thank you, Jennifer, for that amazing question and you know to me like since i was a kid
i had a really good teacher that always said no question is a stupid question because you never
know who else has that question and they're afraid to ask it so i want to encourage everybody to ask questions. And also as a teacher, I remember that one of my mentors, when I started teaching, told me, encourage questions.
Because that's how it, you know, the conversation, you know, it drives the conversation in the flow of information.
And Tantan, you do such a great job of explaining everything. And like I said, when I asked you, hey, would you like to be on
both shows on Friday and Monday? And you said yes. I was so excited because I feel like every time I
talk to you, I learn something new. And I I, I, I just, I, I'm hoping that others get the
same feeling. Um, and I know they do because I get these DMS from the background and in the back
channel, I guess not the background, but, and that tells me, Hey, really enjoyed this space.
Like, you know, I want to shout out Greg, uh, JP, uh jpg jpeg greg who started the art on
bitcoin group chat after my first episode on um you know timepieces and he he is just a prolific
he's an artist himself first of all i don't know if he likes me to say this he's a musician and but he's a prolific supporter and collector of art so if you don't know jpeg greg give him a
follow he is an amazing guy i've had multiple conversations with him and i can't wait till
the next one um but like you know like that, they appreciate getting these informations
because the more you tell the backstory of the way you make your art and you educate, you know,
collectors and audiences, that's how, at least for me, I don't want to talk about from Greg's,
you know, point of view, but I think we share that, um, is that that's how you, you connect
even more deeper with the artists and the artwork and you want to collect and support the artists.
So thank you. Um, you know, Tantan for always being willing to, um, you know, share and, uh,
uh, thank you, Jennifer, for that amazing question. Uh, let to Greg. Greg, welcome, GM, GM. It's been a while since I've talked to you, brother. How are you?
the space. By the way, anybody who has not retweeted or just more importantly, add a comment,
really important to keep the space going and to speak to Noah's level of humility and kindness
and intelligence is an understatement when it comes to Moby Media. All right. All of that out
of the way, you know, Tantan, your project is phenomenal. And I love how you spoke about,
you know, the ideas as far as, you know as vulnerability when you're talking about somebody's digital
footprint and as a hacker. And when you started speaking about that, how important it is for us
to keep ourselves secure. So my question is pretty simple. Can you elaborate? You wrote,
most people might not check, but everything I do will be tied to my signature from now on.
Can you expand a little
bit on that for me and more importantly thank you guys for having me up I really appreciate it but
that's my my question for you my friend um a hundred percent so like when you when you look
one of the like really interesting things about bitcoin is how everything you can connect everything
on chain with like-child inscriptions.
And I felt like when I heard Bless, because he's also a friend,
he was kind of like the second person who was like,
Tan Tan, if you want to do this, you need to learn about reg testing.
You need to do it the hard way. And he brought Elok into it on a call.
And I was like, like give give me a
rundown about what what this is and i'll even after that it took me like four or five months to
to get used to it so with like he bless was really insistence insistent that i do like a parent child
inscription so everything is like connected on chain and i i felt that was really interesting as like an artist to have it
trail back to like on chain so with uh with my like the what i said about you know um my pfp and
like that being the parent inscription to reality.exe and reality is broken.
But then the original reality.exe and reality is broken,
being parents to the delegates was really important too.
This was a whole chain tracking thing,
but also it makes sense because you want to have a proof on, right? Proof on chain that this is like the collection, but also to cap it off.
So let's say if it's like a parent, but if you just give like the parent away, people can make like delegates to it and everything else.
Because again, you can do anything on chain.
You can essentially copy the whole reality.exe
and inscribe it again this is everything is on chain i'm not saying my work is cc0 but i'm saying
that's just how everything on the internet works right so um one of the most important thing is to
like connect it through like a hierarchy um we call it hierarchies in like game editors too. So that it's just really
interesting. Hopefully that answers your question. If it doesn't, you can tell me to, you know,
just expand on anything. But yeah, thank you for that question.
No, that was great. That was fantastic. I think we definitely are learning it. I always say plot,
plan, strategize, implement, and you helped me to understand sort of the contextual layout as around signature. So thank you. Yeah, I'll just build on
that briefly. So, you know, and it's a structure and it allows provenance, you know, within the
space. So, you know, some of the thoughts are, you know, for me, I inscribed my signature back
in February of 23. And the concept of parent
child didn't even exist back then. So thank God Casey added that so people could tie back into it.
And then, so you can step down, like in the case, I inscribed a piece called Ex Orinalis.
That is a play off of Ex Libris, which was a stamp that was popular in the books in the 16th, 17th, 18th century,
which means from the library of. So I made a stamp called Ex Ordinalis, which means the library of
Gadfly. It ties back to Gadfly. So you can parent back to your signature and then have a collection head stamp that would then inscribe underneath that.
So it allows really kind of quirky and clever organization, you know, if you put a lot of thought and purpose into your work.
So it's definitely the way to go. I mean, and it'll be there forever.
So, you know, in perpetuity for as long as these nodes are rocking.
And again, I'll just plug it. Everyone should be running a Bitcoin node.
I just actually am happy to say
I just put another piece of art through the pool.
The pool is sitting at zero sats
and I just put another piece through at one sat.
I did one yesterday at one sat
and I'm just shocked that I could get a 360 kilobit,
a huge file through the pool um for 100 bucks i mean
normally i would pay 500 you know so um take seize the opportunity and if anybody wants to talk
deeper into that tan tan or or um craig happy to kind of walk you through you know varying ways to
organize your art and stuff stuff and keep that provenance
within the Bitcoin blockchain, which is amazing.
I got to say, like, just to jump on that and piggyback on Gatfly, Gatfly doesn't, you know,
there's a lot of people and I've been here since like, you know, four years and maybe
even longer.
And, you know, in the ordinal space,
since the beginning in like January or February of 23. Um, but there's a lot of people that say
an offer in these spaces, Hey, I'm here for you. If you need some help, uh, you know, reach out to me. But this guy, that's why it's Sir Gadfly, because he honestly means
what he says. Like, I've had multiple conversations with him. In fact, even and it's kind of,
you know, like even New Year's Eve, New Year's Eve. This gentleman helped me when, you know, he was about to get out with his girlfriend and go party, you know, for New Year's.
But he took time to make sure that I wanted to do one color, like two colors of my signature.
And he did it.
He helped me because I was like, oh, it's not like, how do I do this?
What do I do? And he did it. he helped me because i was like oh it's not like what how do i do this what do i do and he
did it he helped me and like so take him up on it and it was important to make sure that it was
stamped in 24 i mean it was like you know hours away from being 25 and and you know from a
storyteller standpoint you know just to say that you you know laid your your your signature down in 24 i mean i feel like it
should have been in 23 but i'm just i didn't want one more year to go by because i felt like that
you know as an artist you're like i said earlier you're um a highly sensitive person and i definitely
am and i i was kicking myself i'm like shit here we go and but what I want to say is that
when you do inscribe your signature it's like a way for you to sort of put your logo or your
signature or your you know stamp that on every art you create on as you know children of that
that signature so you're you're it's very important to think through and be thoughtful of how you want to present
and inscribe your art on this, you know, new canvas, right?
So I want to publicly acknowledge you and thank you, Gatfly.
You're a real one.
And again, when I met you in San Francisco the first time, it was evident to me that, you know, and that's before even you helped me or you offered.
But it was just so evident to me because you were filming, you were doing things that we didn't even ask for you to do.
we didn't even ask for you to do and like you know you're a real one and on top of it your art
And, like, you know, you're a real one.
is dope and you have intentionality behind your art you know so i appreciate you i just wanted to
acknowledge you for that um i think i yeah my it's a pleasure to you know be county as a brother and
a friend so and like people reach out follow GasFly, support his arts.
If you can't buy the artwork, which are very reasonable, I feel.
He prices them very generously.
And I encourage everyone to get into GasFly early.
Yeah, I'm happy.
There's 13 pieces and they're selling.
So it's a powerful piece man
power to the people that's what it is i see it i saw it and i retweeted it already and i pinned it
to the top but uh i want to go to malicious sheep before we move on to my friend cyber c because
he's been patiently waiting and also he's in a different time zone.
I won't disclose where,
because I want to make sure that, you know,
I respect people's privacy, but not that he's like not doxxed or anything,
but I've seen him, as I mentioned, in Paris
and have had quite amazing conversations with him.
But I want to move on.
I love talking about Tantan a lot,
but I want, and there's others that have joined and I want to give them a little bit space. We've
already gone an hour and a half into the space. And my goal is usually, and thanks to Moby Media
for like accommodating me, but my goal is usually to stay at least just one hour. And then on like,
you know, sometimes these things takes a time, you know, life of its own. And I see so many
friends in the audience. And I appreciate you. I see so many new friends in the audience. As Greg
said, by the way, connect with Greg. I don't know if he's still here, but he has a great podcast. And I, you know, I changed the time of my spaces so that my friend Stephen Morris has a space before me. I didn't want to, you know, like cross, you know, compete with his time. I wanted to make sure that he gets, you know, his audience and
nobody leaves until his show is over. So, uh, Greg is gone, but I want to like give him a big shout
out, talk to him, get it, get on his show. He has a great podcast. And, um, so yeah, I'm here to
support everybody. And there's really no competition. It's only collaboration. But Malicious Sheep,
it's the first time I believe you're talking. Thanks for joining us. Please go ahead and ask
your question. Thanks so much for having me up here. I appreciate this entire space. It's been
really fascinating. Actually, I recognize your voice from Friday. So I apologize for saying it's the first time.
So I'm going to give you a follow back and make sure that I would never make that mistake
that it's the first time that I hear you.
And you had asked great questions.
So go ahead, please.
Yeah, I was wondering if for Tantan, as usual, my questions around your work are always deepening every single time I have to think about it.
It's so great.
So with your work, you have a really lush, natural element that interplays through all of the pieces that you've created so far.
pieces that you've created so far. I was wondering if you could describe a little bit about how
you are exploring things like digital evolution, like spontaneous digital evolution, as well as
how a little bit more into the codex. I'd love to learn a little bit more about your working process for
that because I know it's been a few years I've watched you build it for a while so um if you
could chat a little bit more about that please and thank you um the first question also thank you for
asking the question Mal anyone dude Mal has been a friend for a really long time also she's amazing
um she's amazing community manager just you know uh also i think someone called her tan tan whisperer
recently i don't know who called you that but that was funny uh it's probably me it's probably i love
this i'm gonna add it to my resume but what when you talked about digital naturalism, it's like the idea that digital spaces are not barren voids, but habitats rich with their own kind of digital flora and fauna evolving independently of human intention or even intention as a developer that I've put in.
So there's this idea of nature of complex systems that
an emergent behavior in a complex systems can be
described as a process whereby large patterns arise
through interactions among smaller or simpler entities
that themselves do not exhibit such properties.
With my pieces, the idea that it's
a complex set of codes and
a complex set of interdependent code
that are developed and coded by me,
but also they have their own evolution as digital pieces.
Because even if digital spaces often operate on algos,
that can produce unexpected results over time.
These results are a form of evolution as
the system adapts and changes in ways
not explicitly designed by me, the programmer.
That's why you see such lush flora and fauna with reality.exe,
not so much, but reality is broken,
taking over this monolith,
also reclaiming it in some sense
um hopefully that makes sense well um the next part of your question uh about the codex and the
evolution of the codex did you want to know the process about the codex or like yeah like how did
you like because i remember you working on it a few years ago.
And I feel like there was a point where you had like reached a wall with it.
And then there was like a spark that came in earlier this year.
But also like, how the difference in your technical knowledge between those two places.
Right.
Yeah, go ahead. That was really when I started creating codecs,
two years ago when I was still learning about Unity,
Unreal Engine.
Hopefully, I know a bit more about coding and everything else that I might not have had those technical knowledge before.
Because I do keep learning and reading and trying to upgrade myself like a Super Saiyan.
I say that, a huge anime fan too.
So there's always that.
So between then and now, I felt like I hit a wall because there is always a point in my pieces where I hate them, where I feel like looking at them just like gives gives me like internal pain.
Like I feel that's what I felt when I start working on Codex.
That's what I feel when I start working on like the expansion pack to where I kind of need a break from them, you know?
Because it's like when you see things too much,
your eyes get used to it.
And then you don't have like the critical capacity
to make sound decisions.
So like in December, like, you know,
something interesting happened.
When you like DM'd me,
there's like inscription on Tezos
that has an LLM on chain.
They literally like uploaded an LLM on chain.
I was like, I was like, oh my God, this is so interesting.
You know?
And I was thinking about making a new piece from it,
like new piece based on that.
But I'm like, you know what?
This is a great segue into Codex.
So I started like incorporating, kind of did like, you know what? This is a great segue into codex. So I started incorporating,
did a bit of reverse engineering about how they
not have any API commands.
Like APIs, like fetch or get,
it's in browser and that's when I was like,
oh my God, I need to work on the codex again.
So I started working on the codex,
and now it has the LLM directly implemented as MPC,
that has different personalities as you go on with
your quest to find the riddles and solve the quest and the puzzles.
It also has a third-person player in the codex.
Reality.exe holders get extended playthrough,
plus a lot of visual effects that I did not include in the public version,
but is included in the
reality.exe
incorporation part of it.
Hopefully that makes sense. Sometimes
I do get nervous when talking about it
because I feel like I ramble a lot.
I apologize.
I appreciate it.
I think
as well, one of the things that I've loved to see
bloom within your work is your cultural explorations, like how deep those explorations have gone over the years and only getting better with time.
And the one thing that's like for me and you're explaining of this piece again today, you were mentioning like it's like a self-portrait
and I'm like, oh, like that's where my brain went,
like that self-discovery of oneself
within the space of that cognitive screen,
the cognitive space of the screen and the personal computer.
So I feel like that's an interesting thread
maybe we'll pull on later, but I appreciate you. You never ramble. You are wonderful. And thank you, Pai Man.
And when you talk, I just get mesmerized by your answers.
And I love what you said, Mel, about, you know, the cultural portrait, because, you
know, one of the projects that I had when I was in education was a cultural portrait
project that I encouraged kids to tap into their ancestors and their culture. And, you know,
we're all immigrants, unless you're native Indian Americans here. And we all immigrated here. And
we have, I'm at least very proud of, you know, where I'm from. I'm Persian American. I grew up
in Europe. And I moved here when I was, you know, first when I was in fourth grade.
And then, you know, again, I came back when I was in, you know, ninth grade.
And, you know, I feel like we all are unique individuals because of our backgrounds.
And I celebrate that instead of of putting putting people down from where
they are from because i think there's good and bad in every culture and every country but
we are a melting pot of you know and we're all we are global citizens and in web3 at least
i surround myself with you all which are amazing contributors to this movement. So Tantan, I really
appreciate you. You're one of a kind, you're one of one, and please continue to be that one of one
and, you know, contribute the way you have. I appreciate you so much. And thank you again for joining us, you know, on back-to-back shows.
And every time, like I said, I can't get enough of, you know,
you talking about your art and sharing your amazing thoughts.
And I look forward to future conversations for sure.
And I hope that at some point I get to see you in person.
And I also look forward to collaborating with you. We've talked about that and it would be an honor to do that. So with that
said, I want to introduce Cyber C. Cyber C is, again, I count him as a friend because, you know, I build these relationships.
You know, I've mentioned this in the past, you know, in Silicon Valley, they talk about the currency is who you know, what you know, and when you know it.
And I got to see, I got to first find, you know, more about CyberSea in this group chat that Greg created.
you know, more about Cyber Scene, this group chat that Greg created. And then I, you know,
subsequently had some conversations with him, went to a few of his, you know, interviews with Blue
and with Gerard. And then I learned more and I just became just so impressed and became a fan. And then finally, when I met him in person in Paris and met his beautiful wife, that was, like I said, like his partner in crime, taking photos and doing his Instagram, which I need help with.
And I'm trying to get my wife to help me with that.
But, you know, just conversing with him and then just the art itself is just immaculate and it's
just amazing and again talk about being a one-on-one um he's a one-on-one and um i just
really appreciate getting to know him becoming friends and um like i said in the currency is
who you know what you know and when you know, and when you know it.
And I feel like this guy, I'm so happy that I was able to meet him and discover him.
And that's what makes me excited is meeting new people like Mal, like you, for example. I can't wait to dig deeper into you and your artwork and learn more because you ask so many amazing questions.
artwork and learn more because you ask so many amazing questions. And, you know, if you're a
tan tan whisperer, which I'm kind of peanut butter and jealous, because I thought I was that,
I had that title. But I want to become like more familiar with your arts, you know, and
have you as a guest and make sure that you get your spotlights, you know, in any space that I'm in.
So with that said, CyberSea, thank you so much for your patience. Welcome, my friend. I know it's
GN where you are, but GM, GN. And please introduce yourself and take it away.
um take it away gmgm yeah so i as i was saying i'm a generative artist as you all know after this
really great introduction and i'm creating art where i'm focusing on a bitcoin itself
I think are to where I focusing on a Bitcoin itself.
It's generative art, so it's coded.
So it's something like, for example,
also Tantan is coding from what I understand.
I'm not sure if I get everything
because I don't know what's ragging me really hard
during this space and I have some locks
and I really hope you hear me well right now
but yeah right now as i started i tried it on a space about gears you have a complex
machine where gears are connected together and they are working in the exactly yeah they are in fact affected by what is happening in this specific moment in the Bitcoin
because I was imagining Bitcoin as some steampunk machine and here you have this artistic version
of steampunk machine which was fully coded and it takes data from the Bitcoin and the gears in fact are rotating in
the speed affected by what is happening in the Bitcoin blockchain and after
going deeply into this kind of art that was somehow showing the Bitcoin post I was working for a year and now I'm
releasing Enigma my second collection on Bitcoin it's in fact also evolution of
the same concept because it's also talking about the Bitcoin but in a
different way you've probably seen it also on the top that
it is the city with the maze below it there is also a sun there is a maze around the sun
and each part of this artwork have a meaning connected in fact to the Bitcoin it's a metaphor of some kind so for example when Bitcoin
miners are mining the blocks they are doing some puzzle that they need to solve
to really mind the block and here the metaphor of this puzzle is the maze and
hold artwork is inspired by the throne movie when you see this blurry lines
going through the maze and so on and in this artwork these bikes as i like to call them
are affected by the bitcoin so for example when you take a number of transaction in the block
because in each block there is some specific unique number of transactions,
it affects the number of the bikes that are currently going through the maze.
If you take the size of the transaction, the size of the bikes is affected by it.
If you take, for example, the fees that are high or low right now we have really low it affects the speed
that bike are going through the maze so for example right now they are going crazy slow
and for example there is also really interesting trade that is called difficulty
which shows us the sentiment among the miners of the bitcoin and i take this uh trade and use it to light the
lights in the city that you can see that for example when difficulty is going down it means
that in bitcoin the miners are closing their machines because it's uh yeah not good business for them
to mine with all the machines they have the heart rate is going down and so on and in this specific
moment i for example put the red light on the city windows and if it's going up, then this is the white or green.
It depends, of course, of the color palette of the specific piece.
And, yeah, so each part of this image is somehow connected to the Bitcoin.
And what is even, yeah, what is also maybe important that even the part that are not really you know interacting with
the Bitcoin self are also telling the same story for example you have this big Sun and the maze
around it this is the metaphor of a Dyson's fire which is the physical concept that in fact is telling you that you create a mega structure
around the sun to harvest the energy.
And for me, this is connected to the,
a lot of energy that is taken from the,
that is needed to really fuel the Bitcoin blockchain
to, yeah, do this mining operations and so on. that is needed to really for the Bitcoin blockchain to
Yeah, do this mining operations and so on. So as I said each part is connected and
now I was thinking that people really if they want to show the art on the Bitcoin and
Make people understand it
They will want to show something that is telling the story and it cannot be created in any other way.
And for me, this is somehow my art because it cannot exist outside of the Bitcoin because
it's so deeply connected to the bitcoin and when i was thinking about people that educating someone
or about the art of the bitcoin i realized that i can do even more so i introduce into this artwork
time travel functionality that you actually can put the number of the block that you want to observe through my art. So you can, for example, go back in time to the halving block
and see how it affects the art, how all this transaction going like crazy
with crazy high fee and so on.
You can go to the first transaction that Satoshi made himself
and see that it was
really one small transaction going really really slowly or go to some four
megabyte inscription and see that there is also one transaction but now going
really really fast and really really big because it has a really long tail so as i said you can really
observe and see the difference between each block and how it affects my artwork
yeah and that is in fact the part of the story because there is also another layer i in fact created the twitter post with five layers
around enigma because it's quite complex ideas behind it and it's hard to just explain it in
two words another layer here is the community aspect of the ordinance ecosystem and I wanted that Enigma can connect in fact a
few communities and I had done it in the way that was not done before so it was like I check if
during inscription I take the ID of some specific inscription from free communities,
from onchainmonkey, from the bitmap, or from the Deus Ex Machina, so my previous collection.
And you can say that this specific Enigma is built on some of the inscription from this collection.
So if you, for example, hold the on-chain monkey
and you use it during the pre-sale phase of Enigma,
you can connect these two pieces.
And when you've done it,
then the Enigma will always know if it's in the same wallet
as this specific piece that was chosen
during the inscription phase.
So it's crazy in fact powerful pattern
because now this piece that you choose during the inscription is a key that will open the
enigma because enigma if it's in the same wallet as this inscription gain some new things like a specific mode where glitches are shown, where colors are a bit changed and so on.
So I try to add value to the already inscribed collection by my art in this specific way.
And it goes crazy well because in fact the pre-sale phase of enigma is already done we already sold 800 pieces
of enigma and the 713 is connected to the pieces to the on-chain monkey to those ex machinas and
to the bitmaps so people really utilize this pattern and they really connect some grail pieces to the Enigma because
they understand that their piece gain value by connecting to my art and I think that is
something really beautiful in ordinals that you can actually go into interaction with other collection other art and really make this connection and not
only by you know words or some shaking hands but you can do it fully on chain because in the roots
of bitcoin is that it should be a trusted technology that is proven by code and it's proven on chain that
this specific things exist these connections with between the collections between the pieces and so that part of Enigma and yeah I think I cover it somehow if there is any question or anything I'm
more than happy to answer yeah I mean you did such an amazing job of explaining both projects I I love both projects the the extreme do you know
thoughts that you put into your artwork is just something that inspired me and
like you know I became a fan immediately once I discovered you and I think that
you're gonna continue to just you create DOPAS arts that mean something.
And it's actually something that, again, I feel one of the reasons I do these spaces and I curate and do everything that I do is because I feel like I get fueled and inspiration
from each and every one of the people that I cross paths with.
And you're definitely one of them.
I definitely enjoyed the conversation we had a couple days ago.
I think it was either on Friday or Thursday.
And, you know, like I said, when I met you and your wife in Paris,
I even connected you even deeper with you, even deeper.
And I just feel like you are another one of those artists that are contributing so much to this movement through your own unique vision and creativity and i can't wait to you know continue to support you and like watch your growth
in this space and i'm really proud of you and you know again like you know i count you as a friend
and i really appreciate you joining us today and having the patience to wait i can't believe it's
already been two hours and i want to open it up to some questions.
If you have any questions, please ask CyberSea your questions.
And before we close, I want to make sure I give my brother Rare Skrilla
and, you know, Hathberger, Banger.
I think Bunzi had to jump off,
but I want to make sure that they get a chance to speak
because they have a drop coming up. And I am happy to, you know, have you as guests on my space,
spaces in the future. And I love what they're building with, and I wait, because I don't want
to take any attention away from CyberSea. But Tantan, please go ahead and ask your question.
I think like you saying that it's like linked to different assets is really interesting.
But also, do you see this as a as a form of how should I say this?
Do you see this as a new form of generative art where rarity isn't just about scarcity,
but also about the dynamic
relationship between assets? Yeah, in fact, you know, I'm not here adding only rarity to my collection
by linking, yeah, just an example. For example, 40 pieces or 44 pieces of Enigma is linked to the on-chain granularity, but even more, the dimensions are gaining variety from connecting to enigma.
So this is like some kind of symbiosis here, because both party wins in some kind, because now there are dimensions is 300 collection,
There are dimensions is 300 collection and only 44 of them have this extra thing that was not possible before, that they have the enigma that is linked to them.
And they actually have something new what they can do.
They gain something, some new value because now they are opening the enigma.
They are a key that unlock some kind of
lock that i created and it's like you know adding additional value to something that already exists
and also adding additional value to think that you create it's a mutual benefit at least from my perspective here.
Thank you, Tantan, for that. Thoughtful.
Again, you add so much value every time you come onto
Spaces.
I really appreciate your questions
and, you know, like your
thoughts and they're so
they just add so much value and I
really appreciate it so Mal why don't you go ahead and ask your question please and we gotta start
wrapping up before we go to Rare Skrilla and Hathburg Banger thank you Mal go ahead. Thank you, Mal. Go ahead. Thank you so much. I have two questions. The first one being,
where did you come up with the title Enigma? Because I would love to learn more about that.
And then my second question, well, more of like an observation, but mainly due to a question.
a question. I really love the choice for the visuals in this piece because of the mirrored
pairing that digital architecture, like within a computer, the digital architecture mirrors so much
our physical reality and how you've created this horizon line with a cityscape with a labyrinth
like all of that is just so gorgeous and i was wondering if you could explain
um your inspiration for that specifically um yes please please go ahead I'd love to learn more. OK, so first about the name of collection.
In fact, it's also connected to the story that I'm trying to tell,
because as you know, Enigma was a really famous cypher machine
that was also cracked, in fact, by a polish scientist and as i'm from poland it's some kind of uh
national proud that our scientist cracked this really sophisticated cyber machine and as you know
And as you know, it's again about this mining operation that they're trying to crack this puzzle, a really complex puzzle, to mine a Bitcoin block.
So for me, it's like, you know, cracking this mathematical puzzle and cracking the enigma is somehow connected in my mind and it speaks together with each other and that
was the inspiration of the name and about the cityscape and so on as I
mentioned or not in fact the inspiration of the visuals was a Tron movie from the 80s. It's like, you know, and also the whole
retro futurism style. And I wanted to create all the collection in this style because,
as you know, Bitcoin comes from the cypherpunk movement.
And I want to pay homage to this movement
with this style, which is really connected with it.
Because cypherpunk, cyberpunk cities,
and all these things are somehow clicking in my mind.
So this is why I choose this specific style to this specific collection talking about yeah Bitcoin
fabulous thank you so much
thank you Mel I thought he was gonna say Enigma was one of his favorite bands in the
late 80s 90s no, I'm just kidding.
I had to joke that.
I had to throw some levity into it.
But no, I think that Cybersea really puts a lot of thought into his work.
And just like Tan Tan and Gadfly and others the bear of skrilla i think that when you do
that's why each individual artist's story behind their art is so important and vital for me
as both a collector and curator and artist and musician myself and a creative director i feel
like those are the things that make you stand out, right? Like,
are you just creating art just for the sake of putting something out there, which is fine. You
know, we need more art and we need more beauty in the world. And I always say art such as beauty is
in the eye of the beholder. But when you can actually have a deep meaning behind your creations,
have a deep meaning behind your creations.
It really adds so much more value to the art.
And that resonates with me as a collector, as a curator.
And, you know, I really do appreciate you, Cybersea,
because, again, you're one of a kind.
You know, your artwork is just superb, and I can't wait to see you
continue to develop. I feel like I said this before, we're at a really important moment in
time that you're all part of this historical movement, and your legacies like literally it's always been my you know prayer to be able to
share my art and my music and beyond the time that I'm here on this earth because there's no
promise of tomorrow today and so when you when you have these uh you have this time, this opportunity,
that it's no more gatekeeping.
And that's why I like to make sure that I onboard
and I spotlight all kinds of artists.
Just like my brother Patrick Amadon says,
let's make sure that we bring artists on the margins
at the same time that we celebrate big name artists
and so with that said I want to say thank you to both you and Tan Tan for being my guest today
and I want to sort of like wrap it up by giving my brother Rare Skrilla who's become a very good
friend and also Hatbanger who's the co-founder of beat blocks
uh and they have i think they have a you know drop coming up soon and i want to make sure that
they before we close out the room and again we've gone way past the the time that i anticipated
for this show but it's just been such a pleasure and just like it's flew by so quickly.
And I want to thank everybody that has been contributing to this conversation.
So yeah,
rare,
rare squirrel.
Do you want to go first or hat banger?
Which one of you guys want to let,
we should let half burger go first.
Bro, you've been re-roasting my name twice.
Yo, I'd like to say much love to everybody on this.
I've been listening and working while y'all are talking.
It's been a good space.
Appreciate you having me on, having Hath on.
And we'll keep it brief.
I mean, you can go to BeatBlocks, BTC, the Twitter.
We put it in the top.
Basically, we, you know,
well, I'll let Hath talk about the technicals
because he's the technical guy.
Yeah, no problem.
So we built a generative music protocol
that's 100% on-chain.
And so what we did is in the protocol,
it gives musicians the ability to create a formula for a song.
So for the musicians out there,
when you're writing a song,
and let's say you've got a few different paths,
you can go down with a set of hi-hats
or a sample or just a certain vibe.
But normally you'd have to choose one direction
and stick with it.
But with beat blocks,
you can bring them all to the party.
And then through the template,
you'll be able to then let the generation, you're guiding the generation for your music.
It's really cool.
I used to be in a band and it's really fun.
I mean, that's all I can say.
It's like being able to hear your music, but every time you listen to it, it's really fun. I mean, that's all I can say. It's like being able to hear your music,
but every time you listen to it, it's different.
It's really cool.
Yeah, I think this is kind of like this stuff.
I started doing this stuff on Ethereum with Async Art
on the blueprints and dynamic art and music with with them and that's kind of how i leaned into
it and then async music or async art fell up fell off they went out of business and that was i
started talking to um bungee shit over a year ago and we're like we got to figure something out and
then me and uh bungee were going back and forth couldn't really figure out how to get the file
size lower i think half might've discovered,
or half or Bungee discovered Opus,
and Opus files are 40% less,
you know, weight data than,
you know, MP3.
So it really saves a lot of money.
With these fees really low,
it's a great time to inscribe music.
I think we inscribed 100 stems that will generate literally we we inscribed 150 okay 150 stems and
we paid we paid i want to say like less than five grand no it was like three four thousand yeah yeah
so it was like three four thousand these are big stems i mean a lot of them are like eight bar stems and like it's really really cool yeah which so like when i first started inscribing on
bitcoin the music like i was having to put my songs at 16 kilobytes per second
and put the to get the whole thing in under 400 kilobytes and like it's cool it sounds like like
kind of like like for what i do like kind of like lo-fi grimy hip-hop anyway so it kind of works a little bit with mine but it's not like
high quality so this is actually bringing like high quality art and music it's art also on on
bitcoin like literally if we disappeared all this art and everything's gonna be able to stay there
and anybody can use these stems that's kind of the cool thing too we're building like a library of music on bitcoin that anybody can do
and then anybody can use the protocol to stitch these things together to create outputs and
i really believe that um we're kind of like like you know me and greg have talked about this like
fourth torrent fourth turning and like there's a lot of changes on the press up and the horizon of everything like we feel it with the money we feel
it with the geopolitical the division I mean the music the AI everything is
changing and I really believe there's gonna be a new way for artists to
monetize because they need it especially musicians and this is a way like a fun
way to make especially like let me back up like let's say you know one
of these famous artists they're like oh i want to launch a meme coin like that shit is like nothing
like if you can get into these musicians ears it'd be like you can actually do something that is is
art is like still like your legacy and everything you can make this whole new thing and it's like
uh it's you know it's pretty brilliant i think. Like, we have infinite amount of songs that you can make now.
Like, just with the music we have, it's only going to grow and grow.
So it is pretty, I think it's pretty crazy.
We worked really hard on this.
Hath was banging his head.
He's the dev.
But, yeah, it's dropping on Magic Eden on Thursday.
We're dropping two. we have two songs basically
one is not like the songs are basically like tempos one is 90 bpm and one is uh 125 bpm
and 404 um we've generated like a curated set of 808 404 of each tempo. And we're going to drop those at Magic Eden.
They're, you know, pretty silly cheap compared to like what everybody else has been doing lately.
Because we really, you know, we wanted to like get this going and just get people like motivated to try it out and, you know, get involved.
Because we do think like art, you know, is music.
And, you know, this is like a whole new path people can take and i
i really think musicians are going to have a lot of fun that they can get real experimental with
this stuff like it's a great thing for fans too like especially if like you have an album you put
it out there fans might know your album but then they get all these like different remixes and
versions of the song and they can kind of curate their own playlist of the album like that's kind of what I vision in the future so yeah I don't know that but
then also so you guys are talking about music in in NFTs you can take a you can
use beat blocks in your games and with beat blocks you could theoretically
played music forever and it can be it could be generating randomly forever and then
yeah so it's and it's like high quality 320 um 48 kilobit you know stereo audio and in in the
beatbox script we're literally compressing and limiting it so we're we're we're effectively
mastering it inside of the inscription.
Yeah.
So that's pretty much the spiel.
Does anybody have any questions?
Yeah.
First of all, I got to, like, obviously, Rare, I've known you known you like for a while now you were in the uh we first met
like online but like we met in the gallery or most gallery opening in san francisco and
subsequently i met you and gadfly on here that's right the same night i met gadfly and then um you
know i super connected with you and your personality
and all your different talents, whether it's your music or your art, and then curated you for,
um, Nashville. You did some live paintings there. You DJed, um, at Bitcoin Nashville. And like I said, it's easy to spotlight artists like you and that are humble,
that work hard. I mean, every time I talk to you, you're working your ass off and, you know,
you don't have an attitude and you're very humble, so talented. And this thing with, you know, Hatbanger, I met him at, you know, first I had him as a, you know, like I in NFT and Ordnance Paris and just like a short conversation.
And he hadn't even really gotten to know me, but he, you know, like he gave me the nicest compliments about, you know, the community of people that I surround myself with and, you know, how positive they are. And, you know, it's easy to want to make sure
that people like you that are on Hatbanger and Bunzy
and everybody that are on stage
and people that are below on, you know, in the audience,
like, you know, get spotlighted.
And that's why I connected with you.
And I think this thing is going to be crazy.
I'm an artist and musician.
So like I even asked, you know, Hathbanger, hey, can I use in the visualizer my own art?
And he's like, yeah, man, you're doing this, this and this.
And I don't remember what he said, but like that's another thing.
It's like, hey, you can hit like a hundred whistle notes real quick so log them in for like dog you can get you probably get those in for like
two or three hundred dollars right now and you could make a whole like whistle bank bro and
people and like tan tan could use this music and her thing like everybody you know doing these
games like this is all like on chain it's it's very I think it's kind of you
know it's it's real niche right now that people it's probably over heads of people that aren't
like musicians but like that's a cool thing too is like you know if you're just like a consumer or
like want to use music you can go in and like create these things just by like with a mint
like it's it's gonna be pretty crazy i think uh once we start getting everything
going and chugging um for musicians i think musicians are it's it's literally i'm not
bullshitting it's literally the best music protocol on any kind of crypto thing that there is so
anybody that's doing music will have to come 100 and i'm excited and i talked to you and also to Bonzi and Hathbanger.
And I'm excited to do put my whistling out there.
And also my piano music that after I whistle, I put those stems together.
And actually Harto and I are working on a collaborative project that he's taking my whistles, whistling.
I know it sounds kind of funny to say whistle,
but whistling is like a form of musical poetry.
It's like a mouth flute, bro.
That's right, yeah.
And so I'm excited to put that on.
And again, being an original one-of-one,
I don't want to say I'm the first whistling musician in the world
because I know there's others.
But my melodies are unique.
They come to me when I'm in inspirational mode or sometimes when I'm sad or going through some tough experiences.
Because, you know, I have elderly parents too.
And it's a struggle to reverse your roles.
And Gatfly and I have talked about that.
So, you know, even on those days, like, you know, when I'm in the studio painting or if I'm walking my dog in nature and I'm going for a hike or by the beach or something,
music flows through me. And thank God to this iPhone that we have or this, you know, like,
you know, these amazing, like, you know, devices we have. I can't just take my iPhone before I,
when I was in college, way back in the nineties, I used to take these little tape recorders and
tape them so I don't forget the melodies.
And now I decided, hey, fuck.
I mean, anybody can play the piano, but I can literally use my whistling.
Hold on.
Let me interrupt you.
Payment, Payment.
Can we have a whistle off real quick?
A whistle off?
Can we do a whistle battle?
Like you and I?
I'm outside.
Yeah, let's do a little whistling. Let's whistle a whistle battle like i'm outside yeah let's do a little whistling like let's whistle let's let's have a whistle battle the first live spaces whistle
battle whoa shit that's good okay that's putting me on the spot okay i'll go first because i'm not
good okay good good you go first let me think about let me think of the melody here.
What's up?
Nice, nice.
Okay, let's see.
Let's see.
This piece is, I don't know, I'm kind of feeling nervous now.
I wasn't expecting this, but like... This is hip-hop!
There you go.
Yep.
I'm going to give it to you.
I'm giving it to Paymon.
Paymon got that.
The first ever battle of the whistles.
Paymon.
Shit.
No way.
This was dope too, but thanks for letting me hear that.
No, it's fun, man. I want to hear it. No, but thanks for no i don't i don't know because i feel like i want to hear it
no but i appreciate that and it's funny because you know it's easier for me to uplift other people
not because i don't appreciate and respect my own art and my music but it's just become natural for
me to you know spotlight other artists and so when i shared and i've played you you heard me i think with violetta
in san francisco i mean with her we've played in you know nashville in in hong kong in uh in lisbon
and harto came to me and said hey man i love that the melodies and i want to do something with you
and so i'm open to like collaboration
because I feel like collaboration is really the key here
is to work together.
There's nothing that two people or three people
can make together that can ever be made by other people.
Like, you know, like you, like, so it's like, yeah.
Payman, that's what we're doing here.
Like by all of us upload,
besides like an initial like
that kind of collaboration like this is a decentralized collaboration because we're all
just uploading all of our music and now anybody can have access to it and it's a real different
way man like i came up like so first of all i guess we should say like me half and bunsey and
shower shoes who made this protocol we are all lifelong musicians i've produced you know thousands of records uh done
a lot of shit dj'd a lot done all that stuff and hath bunsey they met on tour uh me and shower
shoes have worked together forever doing like benny's project or working with mob deep etc like
we we know how to do music this isn't coming from like a dev. I really want to stress this. Like we made this with like musicians all the way
in mind. And I just want to give a shout out to, um, Jim BTC.
Cause he was like so open to like helping us kind of get on our feet too.
Like get, get like talking. And he's like,
he like kind of started to getting like the real shit going on,
like ordinals with audio and all that stuff so definitely uh you know check all that out as well but um yeah we're i don't know
where i was going with all that but yeah let's make it happen man everybody fucking show up magic
eden thursday it's like under 100 bucks i think to mint and there's gonna be some surprises
definitely man i think think that this is just
the beginning and what you guys are building. And I told Hathberger, Hathbanger, you call him
Hathberger, but Hathbanger that I'm happy to support you guys and spread the word. I've
already talked to my friend, Emily Lazar, who's a amazing musician. and she's going to want to work with you guys. There's other
musicians. I met, I'm an advisor and partner of Forbes, and at the Forbes Miami event, I met
Rick Ross and Jamie Foxx. This guy came to me, like one of their producers came to me in the VIP lounge and said,
hey man, you have great energy. I want to introduce you to these guys. And I'm like,
I didn't, I mean, it sounds bad, but you know, I know the old school rappers like, you know,
Tupac and, you know, Biggie and others. And I'm like, i really didn't know who rick ross was but i'm like shit
jamie fox is up on stage i definitely want to meet him and so we went up there and talked and this
guy i think his name is um shit i forget right now but anyway i've been like you know like trying to
get other big names small names onto the blockchain and And now with this, you know, with what you guys are making,
I'm happy to, you know, help spread the word.
And in fact, I think we should have you as, you know, primary guests.
I'm so happy you jumped in today and you shared.
But yeah, I think this is just the beginning.
And the four of you are just amazing people and I'm just happy to just be you know of
assistant and add value and contribute and thanks for that challenge because you know you got me
nervous at first but you know we have to jump in the arena and that's why I have performed live
without any practice and in fact I'm in the process of, you know, working with multiple, you know, different artists like, like rappers, like, you know, Spotty Wi-Fi, like violinists, like Richard Wagner, who's a fellow ape.
like violinists, like Richard Wagner, who's a fellow ape,
and others to work together to create art, the music,
and in their own way.
And, you know, Tant and I have spoken, like I said,
Harto and I are working on something special
for a Bitcoin conference, which I'm, you know, involved with
and working with Dennis and the crew to you know to
curate I would love to have you again in there I don't know if you're gonna make it yeah yeah
yeah I've been I've been doing the Bitcoin conference since 2019 every year so yeah I know
you're OG yeah we're gonna do some beat block shit there. We have After Party.
I'm going to, yeah, we got a couple of things.
I got a piece in the gallery and I got another one in the print shop.
I'm going to sell a couple of this.
I got five sound money records left and I'm going to sell them there.
Nice, nice, nice. And again, I want to say thank you to everybody.
I think it's been an amazing another amazing spaces
honestly i value each and every one of you that come through the uh to these spaces and support
the artists that we spotlight and then you know uh i want to encourage everybody before we close
the space to i'm not very good at this i should like be better
but please retweet we had over 200 people per hour in this place and please retweet it so other
people can can benefit from listening to and get inspired from all these amazing artists that
were on stage i want to thank everybody that was in the state on in the
audience. I see so many friends and I won't take time to, you know, uh, shout each and every one
of you out, you know who you are, but before I close, I want to give it to my co-host Jennifer
and, uh, then ask Moby media to close the room, but please go ahead while we are still open and
retweet, make a comment put
your artwork in the bubble so that others uh you know get to discover you and others get to discover
this space because honestly every time i do this um i'm flabbergasted by the support and the
outpouring of new people reaching out to me from moboby Media's community and saying how much they enjoyed
discovering these dope artists like Cybersea and Tan Tan and yourselves, Rare and Gatfly and
everybody. So yeah, please go ahead, Jennifer. Thank you, Payman. I wanted to say thank you
for having me and, you know, having me in the co-host spot. Thank you to Moby Media. I really
enjoyed and learned so, so much from this conversation and from all of these artists.
And I just wanted to quickly mention that the visible violets, yes, they did sell out,
which is amazing. And I did see some of the artists, some of the violets did come earlier
to support. And I wanted to mention that there are some listings in secondary.
So this is another opportunity, like if you weren't able to collect in primary, to support those female artists.
Because, excuse me, they'll be getting royalties.
And that is something that will continue to impact them.
And that is something that will continue to impact them.
So if you just go to Gamma and type in the search box, visible violets, you'll see any of the secondary listings there.
Absolutely beautiful art.
And you can help a collector, but also help these artists still by collecting their art.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Jennifer. And again, congratulations to you and all the
amazing female artists that were involved. I'm so grateful that, you know, it got sold out a day
early or then, you know, like you had said, the April 1st as the deadline. And it is to your uh hard work and obviously their hard work too because each
and every one of these uh you know artists were out there putting themselves up some of them never
had a twitter account some of them came on for the first time and shared their story and some you know uh you know had never experienced this twitter uh you know and
crypto arts movement so it's shout out to you and to each one of those ladies that were involved in
this and i know this is not going to be your last curation because i know you're super involved with
one love dow and we talked about it that we're going to try to onboard as many people,
as many artists that like to get their artwork on the mother chain
and get onto Bitcoin and ordinals.
And so, yeah, thank you.
And thanks, everyone else.
Moby, please go ahead and close the door, close the door,
close the spaces.
And I appreciate all of you to be here.
We had some requests. I tried to bring as many people up, but, you know, this went two and a
half hours. Again, it's much more than I anticipated. But as Noah, the founder of Mobi Media said,
this has surpassed our expectation as far as the support and the,
the,
the,
you know,
the,
the value that each and every one of you come in when you participate.
So thank you everyone.
Thank you,
Moby media and Noah and everyone that is on stage and,
you know,
in the audience,
because without you,
this wouldn't happen.
So thanks Moby,
please go ahead and close the space,
till next Monday. Uh, I fare you farewell
and have a great rest of your week.
