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ART (R)EVOLUTION ❤️🔥 weekly space 😈
Recorded: June 7, 2023 Duration: 2:13:54Space Recording
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hi friends thank you to everybody who's in here early just started the space oh i see
colin here let's get him up here um i know he's doing a drop yeah so i'm so excited to be back
it's been pretty wild for me the past couple days um i will pin some stuff up it's been fun actually
i had this super last minute commission work for my friend who's doing a token and an nft drop and
so i had a lot of fun doing that art um i'm gonna pin it up because i actually he released some of
it today but i hope everybody's doing amazing i'm so happy that we're all hanging out today again
um i definitely missed my spaces and so much has happened recently i know there's been a lot of
drama but um still still good vibes a lot of good energy and i want to keep it going today i want to
keep the space a little bit more about arts i know last week we did an ordinal themed space and that
was super fun i'm also going to do another ordinal space on friday so stay tuned for that but today i
want to talk about arts and art process and like the inspiration behind art so i have a couple
questions prepared but i figured you know in all of this craziness with the sec and with ordinals and
the market like let's get it back to you know the reason why a lot of us are here which is the arts
um nft kid keith how are you yo yo i think this is the first time you've called me nft kid
but i'm doing great i just got home connected to the internet gonna send out a bunch of invites
smoking a joint i think that's good for my mental health and uh yeah i'll probably buy some art here
because i haven't bought enough art today so i got doodle up here fuck yeah hey doodle what's up
how's it going i haven't seen you in a minute shelby what is going down keith everybody in the
building rage wait the goddamn room for shelby put some respect on her name doing well sister and uh
i like the orange background you got to tell us a little bit more of what made you get into uh
this big crave i see the little affiliate check as well too impressive impressive they take away my uh
my check mark here and i'm feeling naked but doing well shelby a pleasure to be here excited for the show
back to you oh my god uh you brought up the dreaded badge i will just talk very briefly about that for
anybody who is not aware of the situation um again this is not going to be an ordinal space but i will
just uh set the stage a little bit just for anyone who isn't aware so i have this orange badge some of
you may know it as ben's project that minted out uh we bought and you could get the badge i don't
mint the project i am creators who then sold it to ben so i got my badge before that sale and it was
basically just a friend being like hey you want this and now it won't go away and i'm actually
like i'm not mad about it even though it is controversial because now i can change my pfp
and my name without anything happening to my blue check so that's cool um but yeah not a part of that
project in any way a lot of people thought i was on the team because i had it before it minted but
that is not true so just throwing it out there um and yeah i changed my background because i am
super excited for ordinals right now i you know not a lot of artists have come over to ordinals and
there's some really cool people building out platforms there we're going to talk more about
it in my space on friday but i am doing some ordinals drops uh partnered with gamma and magic
eden and the rare satoshi society so they may actually be coming on today um but yeah anyway not
going to make this space about ordinals if anybody wants to talk about that come to my space on friday
we will have a full conversation about everything going on over there and how artists can get into
it because i do think it's important to spread the word but we already did an ordinal space last week
so i don't want to make everything about ordinals now uh we still you know i still have so much
appreciation for the art itself no matter what blockchain it's on so that is not the reason we're here
it's just something to take note of and you know it's fun to jump on trends when it makes sense to you
and when it's thoughtful but anyway i do want to say hi to colin we have my friend colin up here he
is an amazing artist so talented um just a really cool person as well we hung out a lot at art basel
miami and i will never forget it we had the best time but yeah colin i know you've been working on
some stuff recently if you want to introduce yourself say hi you are welcome to do so hey thanks
for having me up and i appreciate your introduction um i haven't been on spaces in a little bit
but um i have been grinding on some artwork pretty consistently lately and um i put out a one of one
recently that i'm still trying to get somebody to collect but i'm pretty patient with that stuff
um and then i have an edition drop that i just put out a couple days ago and that's actually still
live until this saturday i'm gonna close it off like noon eastern standard time on saturday
and uh yeah i'm just focusing on marketing that piece right now and uh it it's going all right
i've made like a few sales so far which is good and the bear market's been been tough on everybody
so i'm definitely grateful that i'm still getting some momentum
yeah i mean truly we're still here which means that we truly are here for the art because if we
were here for the money a lot of us would probably be gone so that is you know something to keep in
mind like artists who are still here are truly dedicated to the art um you know we really care
about that more than anything else and colin is evidence of that he's still here creating and you
know so am i so is alissa we have some amazing artists in the room right now so you know shout out to
all of you guys all of us for still being here i do want to take a second to ask everybody to
retweet the room if you can also uh we are doing ai art so in my spaces it's a space about arts
not just about visual art about all kinds of art and we do collaborative ai art so everybody please go
and comment a word a phrase an artist a song a movie literally anything and i will turn them into ai
prompts and post it in the comments it helps get the room out there and it's a lot of fun
we've been creating some pretty sick stuff i've kind of learned how to so just a little bit about
some ai stuff that i think is cool i've been putting my art into mid journey with the describe
command and finding what mid journey sees out of my art and it comes up with these prompts based on
your art anything that you put into it and then you can kind of see what words would describe your
art style so then for these ai prompts that i create in my spaces i've been using some of the
descriptive words throwing them on the end of other people's words and creating art that kind
of looks somewhat i mean it's definitely not the same but somewhat in my style so i just have been
experimenting it's a lot of fun highly recommend everybody if you haven't experimented with ai do it
it's like an endless vision board for anything you've ever imagined and like i i will never sell
my ai art that i create but it's a lot of fun so definitely just want to throw that out there
please go comment something we're going to create some cool stuff today i just know it
um yeah it could be anything i'm also going to ask any uh speaker panelists to also give me a word
so oh we have alissa up here alissa how's it going hey i'm doing amazing how are you
i'm doing great i'm super excited to be back in spaces talking about art same so excited to be here
alissa i haven't heard i haven't heard from alissa in a while i'm glad you're up here i like your pfp
thank you so much awesome so we can kind of dive in a little bit so i have a question for artists
up here and this is definitely not a space just for artists i also have some questions for just
people who appreciate art but since we do have alissa and colin up on the stage i figure you know
let's jump in with this i want to hear from you guys what goes through your mind when you're creating
a new piece like do you have a vision going into it and if so where did the vision come from and what
are you inspired by like i'm really interested and when an artist is down to create something new
what they're thinking about and what their process is because for me like i have a very specific kind
of calculated process i have a vision i go you know i really think about executing it i do like
sketches and really come up with a plan and a color palette but i know some other artists just go
and like free form draw and so i love to hear about you know what you're thinking when you go to
create a new piece so i love to start with alissa and then we can go to colin
um yeah i feel like for me my process is very unplanned and kind of like free-flowing and
um i usually describe it as like being very connected um and just kind of like present
it's almost like i feel like creating for me is almost like a form of meditation and therapy and
um i feel like i don't usually like have any specific idea when i start creating but a lot of my art
is kind of like i describe as abstract portraiture mostly um and i feel like it's heavily influenced
just by like my emotions um and also like memories things from childhood as well it kind of depends but
i feel like usually like if i'm going through something in life like you it kind of like comes
through in my art so yeah i'd say i'd say like my emotions really influence my art
i love that you know so do you feel like your emotions like do you feel like the art you create
differs a lot based on whether you're you know feeling sad or happy and how how does that differ
like what do you think how does it translate onto the paper or the digital canvas i guess
i feel like for me i've noticed like for some reason i feel like i it's when i'm like going through
something i'm like really sad about something it's easier for me to create which is kind of annoying
but i almost feel like it's because i feel i'm just like feeling things really deeply so um but also if
i'm like really happy or excited about something i don't know for some reason it's harder for me to
create them but yeah just like i overall i feel like most of my art um is just very abstract
it kind of depends because some of my art like my digital art especially usually is like really
colorful and bright and then i when i'm drawing in my sketchbook it's usually just like black and white
so it kind of depends i don't know i haven't really thought about like how my emotions have like um
created like the differences in my style but overall i feel like my style is like pretty consistent
absolutely no thank you so much for sharing i've been thinking about this myself and i feel like i
don't fully have the answers so i just i'm kind of posing a difficult question and just seeing if you
could answer it and if you want to pin up some of your art please go ahead and do so uh everybody
should be exposed to it here this is an amazing artist and i i've seen what you've been doing with
super sketch and that is so amazing like you are the perfect artist for that i feel like with your
free-flowing flowing line work like it's just it's a perfect fit so super excited to see you know
everything you've been doing recently please pin some stuff up and i would love to hear from colin
yeah so um my art process i usually get ideas from my life experiences and i take those ideas and kind of
draw them in my character's perspective which is scully boy like my my profile picture
and um a lot of the stuff that i've done so far is is pretty focused on my crypto and and web 3 and
and like everything that we've lived through being artists um it's definitely like impacted my life a lot
and i feel like i've i've started to do a lot more of that stuff like oriented with my art that i wasn't
ever doing before just because like this has become my life um and uh also like i i dabble a little bit
with psychedelics and stuff and and after i i do that kind of stuff i i like to draw about what i thought
about reflecting on my life um and and all that kind of stuff so i never can really do anything like
while i'm on it because my work is like pretty detailed and i'll usually fuck it up but uh after
the fact yeah like it it definitely helps me get inspired and and um create stuff that really impresses me
that i can relate to a lot i definitely have had some psychedelic experiences in my life that
dramatically transformed the way that i look at the world and spiritually the way i feel about things
and then of course my art like one of the first paintings i ever did when i was like 16 or 17 was
this mushroom forest that was heavily influenced by my psychedelic experiences with mushrooms and so
yeah i totally relate i draw a lot of mushrooms but i also don't create when i am tripping like i
haven't done a heavy trip in a long time i have microdosed but i feel like you kind of need to go
experience those things and then let it translate later although i have heard of artists creating
while like on acid and other things which is absolutely wild to me uh but yeah thank you for
sharing and cullen if you want to pin up the piece that you created that you have an additions drop
going i'd love to hear about the inspiration for that piece
so yeah this piece um i i kind of like it kind of got under my skin like there was this one artist
that was like blowing up mostly based off the fact that people thought he was banksy
and like this is like something that's been on my mind for a while now and i feel like the hype
behind it has definitely died off at this point so i just kind of did my own take on it and said that
i'm banksy too just like just to be like funny um and i also like tried to be pretty creative with
it at the same time so um yeah i mean i have fun yeah thank you yeah so it's a little bit different
than your other pieces do you want to describe like why you decided to do just a slightly different
approach i mean the black and white is kind of new from what i've seen
yeah so i mean if you've looked at banksy's work before like most of his stuff is black and white
with like touches of red for the most part um and i kind of just looked through a bunch of pictures of
rats that he's painted on walls and stuff and uh i just kind of took a bunch of images from
the internet of like my favorite ones that he did and then i redrew them in like my own style
and kind of placed them around the scene and and incorporated them in a way that kind of flowed
together and and went together perfect in my opinion and uh i love this piece i really do i think it's
it's super cool i think the cultural significance is really interesting because i do remember that
artist that everybody was speculating was banksy and i thought it was pretty clear that it wasn't
um for a few different reasons but it's interesting how the hype just drives like
so much attention to something even if it's completely baseless
yeah definitely um a lot of stuff is attention driven um and i i was kind of making points on that
with this piece too and i even added like a comment in the top right corner that says like crypto
art lives forever uh because i truly believe that that is the case and that's why i'm here
i'm i'm really like in love with everything about crypto art and like the fact that this is on chain
um it's it's pretty cool and and i actually need to like educate myself a little bit more about like
fully on chain art because i am really interested about that too
yeah cool and you got to come to my ordinal space on friday i really want to dive into it because
i'm new to it as well but i've been super excited about the possibilities and you know of course
non-ordinals maxi not a bitcoin maxi but it's just a new a new thing that's going on that i think
artists should be interested in and trying to learn about so yeah definitely come to that space if you
want to and we'll get deeper into that
yeah sorry go ahead no i was just saying like for sure i'll definitely be there
i've dabbled a little bit with like that stuff and i've been trying to like educate myself on
ordinals lately um the the only thing i've really done on bitcoin is like i've done a fake rare
drop on on a x chain which was uh a pretty big like step stone in my artist career i've been wanting
to like do a card for them for a long time probably pretty much since like i started so um that was
really cool and and it was a big stretch for me because like learning how to do everything on on
bitcoin with x chain and the free wall it was like kind of a mind fuck but it was like really cool and
and i'm like kind of proud of myself that i just did it you know yeah i'm proud of you too that was
one of my favorite pieces of yours as well i thought it was so fun um i really loved the pepe references
and yeah i mean you're you've killed it for a while you have some crazy sales and i think
when the bull market comes back your art is going to pop off even more and yeah the this edition's
drop is definitely a steal for anybody interested it's it's really cool uh but yeah colin thank you
so much for coming up and talking a little bit about your process i do want to say hi to my other
co-host dominic who came here a little bit late as always but we love him anyway dominic how are you
i actually have a good reason uh today uh today would have been prince's 65th birthday and so they
re-released purple rain in the theater for a night and so i'm like fuck i gotta go so i went and saw
purple rain uh and just had some dinner and i've now i'm popping in here with you fine people how you
doing amazing i'm doing great yeah thank you to everybody who's here with us right now i really
appreciate it i look forward to these spaces and i've been having a great time so far i figured
today we would get a little bit back to the arts um it's hard to go entirely without any ordinals
talk apparently but that's okay because you know it's something that's going on right now but i did
want to dive into like the artist process and really talk about the reason why we're all still
here even in this super bear market um so dominic i'd love to hear a little bit about your process and
like what goes through your mind when you're creating a new piece you know do you have like a vision
already or do you kind of just sit down and let it happen like i'm really interested in asking
artists that i love this question because i have my own specific process but it's very different
from other people so yeah i'd love to hear your thoughts and if you want to pin up any work you're
welcome to do so uh it's a fantastic question and um actually i it depends if it's a drawing or a
painting i usually have a little bit more purpose and intent um but with collage uh even if i paint on top
of the collage i work in an automatic and palimpsest fashion which is to say the improvisational nature of
my creative process leaves behind corrupted information that's continually being written over
um and blurring the space between abstraction and figuration so hopefully i can leave some gaps for the
viewer to enter um i i work when i say automatic i mean that i sit down so to answer your question i sit
down and uh i i mostly go on feeling like i'll have a concrete idea and concept sometimes but a lot
of times it's just on feeling and then i let color texture uh certain images uh guide me and just like
putting together these puzzles that um it's it's mainly intuition for me where i just kind of start
moving things around and then um it's like this weird uh healthy balance between control and chance
and so like i try to control it to a certain level but then i try to i find the best things happen in
my process when i just kind of let go of the control and just go off on these weird tangents and
unfortunately you'll make a lot of shit doing this because um sometimes it just gets away or look for me
and how it gets away from me but my best stuff is when i kind of let go of all of that because i used
to be a hyper realist painter and the way i even stumbled into collages like i would build these
collages to for reference for my paintings and oftentimes i would like the energy of my collages
more than the finished painting and i couldn't figure out why for the longest time and i think a big
reason is because uh putting together the reference for the painting was improvisational so much
that i enjoyed the process more and it was less laborious and then i was more open because i
wasn't always trying to like okay i gotta make this ear look like an ear i was just more in tune with
putting the images down and you know painting over them and removing parts and overlap and just seeing
what happened and that's when art became more exciting to me because art is a verb to me and the verb is
the process like it's not a noun and the process to me is like if you don't enjoy the process then
art's going to be a very miserable endeavor for you because being attached to results and thinking all
the time about floor prices and you know how to market this and all that stuff um most of that stuff
is out of your hands to some extent where the process i feel like is when you're going to spend 90
percent of your time uh creating so you might if you don't enjoy that um i don't know i don't know
why anyone else would do it for because for me it's therapeutic and it's the way i tap into my dreams
and it's very meditative when you're just kind of it sounds corny and even borderline saccharine but
you're just kind of like listening to the to the muse or the gods or whatever it is that you are if you
can just clear your mind long enough and get into that flow state and just let the peace dictate where it
wants to go um like i said sometimes it'll get away from you and it won't look that great but um i find
that i tap into that stuff that i didn't even know was there and that stuff that makes visual art what
it is its own language you like that that thing that words can't really describe even though i just spent
fucking four minutes straight trying to describe it but that's kind of i hope that gave you a little
bit of light on my process but for me it's very uh intuitive and i just let the materials
and the content of what i'm putting down kind of um lead the path to where i'm going
i love that and you know i've had a similar experience like when i first became an artist
it was so i mean i guess everybody's always an artist you know like i was creating since i was
very young but when i first became a full-time artist quote unquote um you know one of the biggest
obstacles that i had to overcome was feeling like oh but it looks okay now and then being so afraid
to paint over or draw over something that i had already you know made you know and it was like i
had to really overcome the obstacle of being like no you have to push it you have to you know iterate
and iterate and just go for it you can't let it stop because you know you think it looks okay like
you have to keep going and just push yourself and get into that state and i think that that has you
know transformed my art in a big way so definitely the flow state is something that all artists are i think
seeking out or if you're not you should be and it's a really magical place where some of your best
work can happen in my experience um yeah so everybody take a look at dominic's pieces that
he's pinned up he has some amazing collage work you kind of span a lot of different styles some of it
looks much more like classical like renaissance inspired and then you have these really cool like
pop colorful pieces you know do you want to talk just a little bit about the difference in styles that
you explore yeah uh i'm definitely uh my signature style is i don't have a signature style like i like
to pop around and because i do i'm formed so much by surrealism and then dada and then of course pop
that i like to bounce back it's honestly again it depends on uh if i just want to explore color
i kind of treat collage almost like an abstract expressionist painting where i'm just laying down
images and i work with traditional materials photoshop and also uh illustrator and i just kind
of again sometimes it i start off where it's kind of monotone next thing you know it's this color
explosion and so i just go with it and i try not to pin myself down into one particular style and i
know that probably upsets some collectors but ultimately i got to be happy with what i'm making and
so i implore everybody out here that's an artist that's in this room is just just scratch that itch
whatever it is and don't be afraid of staying you know don't think you have to stay in a lane
you know for me it's like i even have more i i lucked out and was very successful when i first got
into nfts and it just so happened to be this that colorful chaotic composition collages because but
that i didn't really think that out it was just because i just had a gallery show and i had a bunch of
work ready and i was like you know what i'll just mint this shit and so i kind of got known on some
level for that and i was just like okay i guess i'm that guy for a while but then after a certain
point i was like you know what there's still all this other stuff i like doing i still love drawing
i still love painting still like working in color pencils and like you said i like classical art just
as much as i like modern art so i just go wherever it wherever the feeling takes me i know i know
again that sounds almost cheesy but that's what i do i don't know how to do it any way if i was a
musician i think i would work the same way like the music i find that i gravitate towards when i hear
about how it was made it seems very similar to how i make visual art you know almost like a closer to
jazz where you're just kind of um you you're letting the work you're giving room for the viewer and
the audience to participate and bring their own narrative to it because i already know what it means to me for the
most part um i'm more interested in what my art and what stories it brings out to the viewer
i love that so much and i love that you brought up you know changing styles and not sticking to one
style i think that some of the worst advice that anybody could give any artist is to pick a style
and stick with it because that just kills your creation and i think that it kills your evolution
as well like for me you know i felt that way massively when i first got into digital art like oh this
doesn't look the same as my oil paintings and it was i was so fearful about it and i was like no like
i can create a new style i can keep exploring but i feel like you really are fighting against the grain
with that but i think like you know fuck any collector who's going to be upset with you for
experimenting you know if you look at famous artists throughout history so many of them have
different eras you know where they did experiment their styles did evolve over time and so i think that
it's something that is super natural for artists to do and to explore and i love to see artists
creating in different styles and you never know if a new style is going to you know connect with
people more than something that you did in the past so i love your different styles i think they're
both really fun um you know the ones that we were talking about today that you have pinned up so
can't wait to see what you create next and i do want to throw it over we have luca on the stage
an amazing artist as well who does these beautiful poems based on art that different artists drop in
the nft space and i'd love to hear from luca like you have also been experimenting with generative
art recently i know so i'd love to hear just a little bit about your process and like when you're
going to create a piece whether it's a poem or a piece of generative art do you have a specific
vision where does your inspiration come from and then you know what is going through your mind when
you actually go to create that piece and i guess another question for you specifically is is it
different when you're creating a poem versus you know a visual piece hey shelby um i actually had
to try and like grab a pen real quick as you were saying all those things because i was trying to
write it down just like so many things at once um i'm so sorry it was too much just i just want to
hear a little bit about your vision when you go to create something that's it simple question
uh oh i appreciate the interest in it um yeah it's it's very different actually just between like
the poetry and the generative art um it i would say with the poetry i have pretty much no idea
what i'm doing until i get started until i write literally the first word um and i i think that
that's just because of the way that the inspiration comes it it's not like in waves and it's not uh
you know like slowly over time it it hits at once and so if i don't write the poem in that moment i
don't think that i would be able to come up with those words at any other point so for the poetry for me
it's it's very much like i have to get it out right now like i need to be able to express this
inspiration that i'm taking from it or express you know what i need to be able to through the
inspiration from this work and
it differs so much like from generative art because like
now i'm starting to see what i want from different outputs and i'm working towards something
as opposed to not knowing what i'm you know not having like a goal or anything like that to work
towards and just saying like i want to write a poem now i'm trying to create towards something and
it's very interesting because it's much more satisfying when it eventually happens like writing the poetry
i love doing it's a passion of mine uh you know throughout life you know whether it be reading
it or writing it and it's just like a different sort of gratification that i get from the generative art
um you know eventually just seeing that one that you've been trying to create pop up like the process
of getting there is so worth seeing that happen um and i think that
partially you know working with ai you know like i don't have full control over what's happening
um as opposed to writing poetry where i'm literally typing the letters myself and i'm recording my voice
so i have you know that entire ownership of it um i think that there's a lot of differences in the
processes but um the biggest one for me is is that immediate gratification as opposed to working
towards a goal
thank you so much for sharing i feel like that is a really interesting take and i can totally
envision that like when you're writing a poem it's just free flowing coming from you you can't stop
it versus like having more of a calculated process and i definitely feel the same way with different
uh pieces of art that i've created depending on what the goal is you know is it a commission or is it
like i just want to create this right now because i have this vision uh but yeah i think both are
equally valuable it just depends on what the outcome is and you know what you're looking for
um i do want to ask keith are you there
yeah it's a 10-4
i wanted to ask you keith like you're trying to test me there trying to make sure i'm paying attention
i'm in the fucking dms i'm everybody who i sent dms to if you're in here thank you so much we
appreciate you listening i literally ask no one for anything but if you gm me back and you just come
to shelby's face like i'll like be grateful like real grateful but yeah go ahead shelby back to you
what's your question i wasn't first of all i wasn't testing you i was going to ask you a
question i didn't want to ask this long question and have you not be present with us um i'm here
um i wanted to ask you like from a collector's perspective i mean for those of you who don't
know keith you really should if you're in the art space at all because he's a massive collector
supports so many artists give so many artists a platform um you know if you don't know the story
i the first space that i ever spoke in keith coasted me and it kind of started off my space's
journey so you know obviously keith you've collected a lot of art i want to know like when you're looking
at a piece of art like what is it about this art that makes you want it you know that makes you enjoy
it like is there something specific you you're looking for is it an emotional reaction or is it
more like logical like oh the technique or you know obviously it's probably different every time but
i'd love to hear a little bit about your collecting process and like why you would collect a
specific piece of art versus a different one yeah so it's kind of like it's different for like
so say i'm just like oh i want to collect some pieces on tez guys show me some stuff and i want
to support somebody versus like something like cullen's art that is like something i'm really
really passionate about i'm really like i could have that in my house you know because i'm really
into psychedelics i really like the colors um i'm big into skulls because i think we all die one day
so when i look at skulls it reminds me like be grateful you're alive looking at this because
you could be dead one day well you will be dead one day we all will so it's just kind of like that
you could be dead one day you could be you know you could be immortal and just live on like a
fucking vampire i don't know your life but anyways uh me personally i'm probably gonna die uh probably
we'll see what happens and uh yeah i would love to collect an art like even alysses too like
that simple kind of almost like a i don't want to call it a picasso style but it's like a more of
a fine art style i like that as well so those are probably like there's maybe like a top five i have
something that i would really want to collect for myself like i just got to have it but there are
times where i'm like oh i just want to support artists so whoever's active in the space you know
so show me something but i still at that point i still am collecting things like i don't know i feel
like i have five or six types of art that i really like to pick up i even like like some nude
photography type stuff not like totally nude but like a little risque a little promiscuous i don't
accept yeah exactly exactly yeah i don't accept nudes in my dms but i do accept nude nfts oh oh okay
well anyways other than that i do accept that was a joke guys i hope you know that really was a joke
i was gonna play it off like i don't know if you wanted me unless it was friday night
because if that happened on friday night i have no control over what happened there
just just ignore that for a second i was like holy shit i didn't even see ricky down there because
it's like cut off i was like is that fucking shelby that's a different voice shelby what the hell
i am free i i'm now who the fuck let you up here holy shit i am ready to be back i am free i am
finally doing good man i'm happy for the first time since friday i'm fucking great sorry i got
really excited guys i just missed wait what are you free from i am free from jail i am broke up
with sabbatics long story short okay i think we'll have to hear more about that in a minute but keith
if you want to continue a little bit you were talking about collecting risque art yes yes i do
i do collect that as well um yeah ricky threw me off there holy shit but yeah i
i like dark art too you know like just black and white type stuff i don't know if anyone knows uh
cleon peterson i've collected a bunch of his like in real life pieces so his type of style it's like a
black and white sometimes black and red and it sometimes it depicts like people like killing each
other but uh that's kind of how life is everyone's fucking killing each other stabbing each other in
the back sometimes you know not everyone that's why i come to these art spaces because artists are
just like bigger hearts sweet people dog lovers you know some of these bitcoin maxis last week tried
to tell me that they didn't like dogs i was like bro if you said that in my face i'd probably slap you
i swear to god i'd slap you just a little baby slap because you probably fall over because you're
you don't like dogs it doesn't matter with you anyways uh yeah i like collecting all types of art
final answer to the question that was great wow i can't believe anyone's openly admitting to not
liking dogs like just go ahead and tell me you're a psychopath you know um i see a hand up uh we have
luca and then tony tony welcome to the stage by the way uh i just hey i think pat was first actually
oh yeah i'm saying there yeah oh yeah yeah actually no it's just something uh something he said earlier
about you know like how we find like creativity and stuff and i know like as an artist i always feel
like you know anytime i'm proud of my work at the end of a job you know it feels like magic and
usually like oh my god where did i pull that from i'm not sure how i did that but i love it and i know
anytime i'm starting like on a new job or a new piece uh you know i kind of feel like i'm looking at
this wall of like oh my god i have to just recreate this magic that i just did on this last
thing and i don't even know if i'm going to be able to do it but uh yeah i was wondering like
does anyone else like relate to that or we have something to uh add there yeah you know so i i will
let's go to luca and then tony i think that's a really great thing to bring up you know just kind
of creating something and not even knowing how you did it is an interesting concept and something i've
definitely experienced before like when i've taken on especially when i was first getting into
painting oils and taking on commissions where i was like okay i'm gonna take this on i hope i can
execute it but i don't really know because i've never done anything like this before and then
somehow i pulled it off and i feel like i learned so much in the process but i had no idea what i was
doing and it just happened um so yeah i definitely can relate and shelby just so you know i brought
pant on how do you say your name sir pant on chain it's just pat on chain yeah shit i can't say
anything all right pat on chain yeah shelby this is pat on chain he's a friend of a friend so he's
our friend now and he's an artist so i wanted to bring him up so um so yeah there's a little
introduction and uh pat on chain i'm glad i literally i divided him up and when he started
talking i was like all right let's see how this goes sometimes i don't hear the person but yeah
good to meet you and i'm glad you're up go ahead tony awesome i gave you the follow back and we had
luca and then tony but i i hate you with the follow back pat it's nice to have you here welcome
to these spaces it's a lot of fun to just talk with artists about arts and you know other topics
depending on what the day is but today we're really diving into the art side of things talking about
our processes um i did want to just bring everyone's attention before we go to luca and
then tony to the ai prompt that i pinned up to the top um it's kind of hot it's very psychedelic
very interesting i kind of love these portraits thank you to everybody who contributed to that
prompt and i also just want to say again i'm running out of prompt words so please go and drop
some just give me a you know a famous artist that you like a song an art style a random word a scene
you want described like just go put some phrases or words in the comments i'm going to be going
through them and making some more things but i do really love the way that this one turned out so
thank you to everybody who contributed to that um now i want to go to luca and then tony
i actually just wanted to volunteer a word and i'm very curious about how this is going to change it
uh the word is javascript uh that's the program that i use for generative art i'm really i'm curious
if it's going to try and make any uh any sort of art like that fascinating yeah i will definitely put
that at the beginning of the next prompt thank you luca i love when people bring in like prompts
at a left field that i never would have put in there you know i've had people add like emojis
like different things it's always an interesting result so i'm excited to see this um yeah i guess
we can go to tony hi shelby hi keith hi dom hi everyone uh great to be here it's been a couple of
weeks when i came in last time i was telling you about my genesis nft project sold out straight
away so i'm very happy about that it's a music project where my wife did the visual art it's a
great collaboration shelby if you remember i was talking about it it's about gun violence
and you know just our twin obsessions of gun violence and making people have babies so marina
created this beautiful picture to go along with that it's a bunch of crazy little
mean looking well crazy looking babies with machine guns it's really shocking but kind of
beautiful and playground colors and all that so that was fun and the reason i wasn't around last
week was because i was at this tech conference augmented world expo um and i was doing a panel
on ai in the metaverse and that was pretty fun because we got into all these generative tools but
of course i had to be the old man up on stage and my first comment was it's going to kill us all
silicon valley investors are going to give a bunch of like emotionally stunted man baby founders
money to do fucked up shit and we're all going to die but i really like the creative tools so then i
shared that whole story about making the screenplay using chat gpt where i made the screenplay about
the kombucha yeast that grew out of control and tried to take over scotland and then we did like
an entire week of community theater based on it where everyone wanted a table read from scoby the
horror story so that was super fun so that's why i wasn't here last week and i missed y'all
and now i'm super excited shelby because our dear friends ray and sammy are about 20 minutes away from
my house they're on a road trip from seattle to la and they're stopping in san francisco en route
and if you don't know who these people are this is ray isla and sammy areaga two web3 musicians i know
you know i'm keith who are amazing and they're just really changing the game in web3 and music so
i'm always happy to be here i'm super delighted to be collabing with artists and especially my wife
marina so check my stuff out um and then marina and i are going to collaborate on a huge drop so that
first collection was just limited edition sold out quick this next one's going to be like a thousand
nfts with a bunch of generative art and stuff in it so getting ready for that so that was it just a
quick download and to say hi um oh and one other thing did you guys catch all that apple news
the apple vision pro yeah i saw that it was released any specific thing about it well i mean i don't know
if you saw the videos or any of that or heard all the chatter it's got all us people in vr and metaverse
land really excited all over again um it's not cheap it's 3 500 when it ships next year uh so
that's really for the early adopters the super enthusiasts who have the money to play with but
everyone thinks apple getting into this game of vr now is going to make something that actually people
are going to want and so i think that's the general excitement so i wonder if any of the other speakers
had checked it out or checked out those videos and had any thoughts about that or just vr and all the
stuff in general i actually have and um i'm super excited about it myself excuse me and it's so funny
that um i know that apple stock dropped the last couple days because mainly that people were crazy
about the price but we've seen this story before because um in 07 when apple released the iphone
everyone was like who's going to pay a thousand dollars for a phone when you can get a nokia or
another phone for 60 70 dollars and apple's never going to disrupt the phone market and what people
didn't realize back then it's really easy to see now is apple wasn't trying to disrupt the phone
market they were disrupting the pc market they were putting computers in our pockets and that's kind of
how i feel what they're doing with this this isn't just about gaming this is about uh doing it right for
once and and i think it's going to actually probably replace a lot of their own macs eventually so i'm
really excited about it i can't wait to put one of those on my greasy head and see what it looks like
all the videos look cool as shit so yeah for artists i think i know it's pricey but man you
got to be geared up to to want to try one of these oh for sure dominic let me let me amplify some of
that and yeah from what i've heard by the way those videos are all genuine screen grabs there's not like
a lot of cons there's barely any concept stuff it's real so what we're seeing there is capture from the
real device which is kind of amazing uh what i heard some people say uh uh in response to this was
oculus is the new blackberry so in other words apple is gonna like you know we all had we had
the flip phones and the little pdas before we had those uh smartphones right and apple came in and
figured it out so maybe they're gonna do it again with vr because you know yeah oculus was really too
focused on gaming and meanwhile for 10 years quietly apple's been building a new operating system
with this new kind of you know goggles tech and hopefully everybody thinks it'll be like glasses
in three more generations it won't be like a big ski mask right as soon as the electronics are cheap
enough so super excited about that i think it could open up whole new possibilities for art obviously too
right just you have 3d plus immersive plus spatial plus putting virtual art in your space so yeah i just
i thought maybe folks would have some excitement about that part of it too well dominic i'm with you i can't
wait to put one on i'm i'm in the industry but i don't have the inside track so i have not tried
this thing like uh some of my friends have and i did not have to sign over a firstborn or anything to
do it so i'll be out there i'll be lined up at the apple store with the rest of y'all and real quick
uh robert scoble i don't know if you guys know who he is if by all means if you want to follow
anybody about tech on twitter follow robert scoble he came into one of my spaces about three four months
ago maybe it was even longer and he he had he's one of those he was i think he took the first ride
in the first tesla like he's one of those guys they bait out all this shit on and he was talking
about this headset way back then he was like dude don't sell your apple stock this thing's a game
changer and he i mean he geeks out about a lot of stuff but he he went the extra mile on this and so
he was like man wait till you see this shit i'm like all right bro scoble has been talking about this
stuff for eight years running i've known him at least that long and every year he's been saying
wait till apple releases this uh it took a little longer than i think even he was expecting
but yes he's going to be even more insufferable than he's ever been and i say that with all the
love in the world that guy's a he's a he's a crazy mofo he's really intense yeah he's awesome and
keep in mind apple never really did anything first they didn't do the first mp3 player they didn't do
the first smartphone they didn't do the first tablet they didn't do but they when they do decide
to do things they'd usually do it pretty damn well so yeah again pretty pumped and i think all
artists should uh definitely keep their eye on this so i would love to jump in and ask tony if you
have these videos you speak of in a tweet would you be willing to pin them up because i haven't seen
them i mean i've been kind of living under a rock just super super busy on some commissions recently
so i saw the announcement but i didn't dig too far into it i would love yeah and i was i was catching
up yesterday because it was marina's birthday on monday so we just went off the grid literally
everyone's like what do you think of this apple thing i'm like i don't know you tell me so yeah
i caught up on it yesterday but i'll grab a few i think i might have retweeted a few things i will
grab some of this and pin it to the top thanks shelby awesome yeah so i also would love to you know
i i'm down to have a free-flowing conversation today and i think this is very topical and really
interesting um so we can talk a little bit about this i'd love to ask if you guys have any
perspectives on how this is very different from the oculus because i have tried the oculus
i played a couple games it was absolutely wild felt really real i thought it was really cool but
um i didn't do anything art related at all so i'm just wondering like do you think this is game
changing just because it's apple and they're gonna you know polish it better or do you think
that it's like dramatically different in some way
yeah i think they're definitely going after like a bigger chunk of the market with this
so i feel like one of the downsides of like oculus style vr is like you know you're just
completely immersed like in that and like they're building out stuff like i know like on the new
oculus like you can like work and like have your keyboard and like have kind of like an ar setup but
i feel like apple's really just going heavy more on like the what like mixed reality kind of component
of it and that kind of like makes it appeal to like a more casual audience here i feel like
yeah and what that means for the technically not initiated is that you know they basically got a
dial on this device so you can tune out the entire external world if you want but if you don't want
to you just dial this in so you're seeing the world around you and they call it a technique called camera
pass through you're seeing basically you know the visuals from a ton of cameras that are mounted on
this device bringing you the real world from the outside in and you can make a choice about how
immersed you want to be in that and then some of it depends on what you're doing like if you're
literally using this for some virtual desktop if you will to take your mac screens and throw them out
in space around you because so you can see more stuff or if you want to like do this augmented art
and in your physical space and see that then you know that's that application but maybe you're actually
playing a game and you want to have everything tuned out around you but maybe i don't know you
hear footsteps or something so you want to get you want to dial the opacity down just enough so you
can see through and you can see people mulling around in your space it really helps with a lot of these
things that uh you know oculus has had as a problem which is when you're fully tuned out and this is
in particular sometimes it's for women especially you feel vulnerable because you don't know who's
looking at you if someone's coming at you there's there's actual real world threats out there
um this helps with all that so it's a it's much more pragmatic but it's also just reflecting this
design uh set of design principles that apple you know goes all in on right and they start from all
the why what would you want to do with this thing not just like here's a cool gizmo so that's you know
i think a market difference not just because it's apple but apple is apple um but the other thing is it
really is the founding team at office palmer lucky the guy who invented the thing in the first place
they're gamers and even after meta picked them at facebook picked them up um they never really lost
that gamer dna all they did was try to graft onto it this kind of very stupid social network mentality
with this thing called horizon that never really was built very well um and so they just kind of missed
the boat on this whole other thing which was in the meantime apple was building the next operating
system and really thinking about it from the point of view of everything what could you do with this
for art for education for training people for you know immersively enjoying your music for people
getting together remotely and doing you know telepresence kind of stuff and they really thought
through all those cases and you know i think that's why this thing is going to be a breakthrough they
had the luxury of they didn't have to rush it to market like you guys are all saying they're never
first to market with this stuff so i don't know i can't contain my excitement about shelby i don't
want to hijack the space but i mean this is what i've been doing for a living for two and a half
decades so it was pretty exciting to me when this news came down on monday and i'm digging that tweet
up right now to put it up top that is awesome all right sorry go ahead oh yeah i was gonna say yeah
kevin iwaki actually brought up a pretty cool point too where he was like because of the price
point you could use something like this as like a proof of humanity in like a metaverse so i'd be
pretty interested to see something like that though i mean i feel like that doesn't create like the
coolest like uh you know economic barrier um that's kind of like gatekeeping it to like a limited set of
people on earth but yeah also though they did say like you could just use that as like an a uh like
initial validator set which is kind of way more reasonable which is kind of like the people who
can't afford to confirm their identity that way do and then they can actually validate other people
now that we know that they're human i love that um that's really cool i mean obviously yeah the
economic barrier is not awesome but everything i've been hearing is making me very excited and i also
really love the idea of like a translucent view into whatever you're doing in the metaverse quote
unquote because i've had some experiences this is like a funny memory that this reminded me of that
i have had buried but when we first got an oculus like years ago my family got it and my mom tried it
on and we were doing this game that was one i think it was one of the games that came with it where
it's like a climbing game and when you fall you actually you feel like you're falling it's pretty wild
it's this wild experience um you actually do like get the you know the stomach feeling of like you
know falling through air pretty crazy and so you know we each tried it and i was like oh that's really
wild my mom tries it and she literally falls and she runs head first straight into the wall
just like it's the wall smacks into it so hard and we were all just dying laughing at her but i mean
that's a very like real thing like if you're playing in a you have these like physical boundaries i think i
would love to see something where you can you know see where you are and also be immersed i think
that's a really really cool feature so i'm definitely excited to try that out um and i appreciate you
guys for bringing that up i mean this is definitely an open forum like if things are happening in the
world especially when it relates to artists so i do have a question for anybody who wants to answer
this where do you think artists can use this as a tool like how do you think this applies to artists
well i can offer one just because this is a real app that was built on oculus for years is a product
called tilt brush i don't know if you know about it if you've ever tried it shelby but you're actually
painting in vr with light so it's a kind of it became its own media type where you know you can
kind of sculpt it if it's really a 3d painting program so you're pushing pixels around and they can be
kind of glowing flaming particle effects solid lines dotted lines all these different shapes you
can draw and then oculus uh then themselves built something called medium which was an actual
sculpting program we could sculpt solids like virtual clay so people have been making like
actual painting and sculpting products native to vr for a good seven or eight years already so i'm
hoping someone's going to make something like that for this new headset and for whatever the next
generations of the headsets are tilt brush got super popular i mean there's folks who do nothing
but make tilt brush art all the time
so that's one i have seen that sorry go ahead no that's it i'm saying that's you know so that's
one sort of area there's actually dedicated you know creation tools for doing it in 3d which is
kind of it's kind of a breakthrough because most people who do their 3d modeling are doing it
via a 2d screen and this ux person i know jessica outlaw um she had a great analogy for that she was
like saying that's basically it's like the etch-a-sketch you're trying to draw in 2d with a 1d
linear dial right so that's what a lot of 3d modeling is like so imagine if you could natively
spatially do your virtual sculpting instead of doing it through a flat screen i love that yeah i think
really good example of an artist kind of like going through that uh transition is uh jack sacks
i know like he's been like really big in like the whole 3d world for a long time and then i know like
over the last couple years i've seen him uh like doing the sculpting tools in dr and it's just so
cool to see like how he can just spit out stuff that's like getting closer to like his normal work
in like style but like just 10 times uh like quicker
that is really cool i will definitely have to try that sometime i have seen videos of people doing
it and i felt like it wasn't i don't know if it would mesh super well with my style but i feel like
every artist has to try this just for the experience and just to see so i will definitely
be seeking that out i don't know if i'm going to drop 3500 right now on the headset but maybe in the
future i'll be you know more excited to do that and hopefully some of my friends get one and then
i can try it and see if i want one um but yeah i mean i think evolving with technology is massive for
artists and that's a huge reason why all of us are here in nfts i mean that's why i'm here because
when i heard about it at first i knew nothing about it but what i did understand is this is like the
cutting edge of technology and if you don't evolve with technology you are likely to be left behind and
that's why i feel like it's so important to embrace it rather than being afraid of it you know not that
we have to abandon our craft in any way but just to understand it at least and you know participate
enough to get a feel for it and know what's happening so i appreciate this conversation i feel
like that is big news and something that we should all be aware of that it's happening so i appreciate
you tony for bringing that up um we do have aaron on the stage with a hand up aaron how's it going
yo what's up how you doing shelby what up keith how you doing uh love you guys love the space love
what you guys are talking about um i have an opinion when it comes to the vr headset or the ar headset
it's um honestly all right so when i was building like microsoft's network i got to go into like a
departments to just do like a lot of like surveying and things like that and when i was there i would
just like shoot the shit with some of the engineers you know when i had some free time and uh they had
this like ar headset and honestly like i've tried pretty much every vr headset out there and it just
doesn't even come close to ar like the way that it it literally mapped your entire like room or
whatever you're in and like how how realistic it can make things look it was like fantastic but
it was like eight years ago i think and the headset was massive the problem they had they had this like
really advanced technology but the problem they had was fitting it in a small enough spot it's like
space and so they i still think to this day they still haven't released their ar headset but i will
say like i've tried like every vr headset and i don't get motion sickness and irl life at all but
some vr headsets i get motion sickness from just because again it's hard it's hard to pack like
really really really good technology into even vr headsets right now so you get you can get like
motion sickness from them but ar uh i never got any motion sickness from ar so i'm pretty i'm pretty
bullish and like excited about the new apple headset and one thing that apple is also really good at
and you know this comes back to when like dominique was talking about um the original iphone um what
they are good at it's not that they are like the pioneers of technology right because a lot of the
components of the original iphone weren't new like there was palm pilots and there was tablets already
um but what they're really good is at like introducing them um like introducing this
technology in a way that like it speaks to everybody and it also calls to like normal functions that you
already do like um for example um you watch tv already on a 2d surface right you're not watching
like a 3d animation um in like a 3d space that's like probably the next step but what they showed
was like you are at home in a space where you would actually wear the headset and you're looking at a
flat screen like a 2d surface at all times like most of their displays was you looking at a 2d surface
that you're already used to looking at but now it's like oh you can expand even larger um and yeah they're just
really good at like subtly introducing this technology that exists doing it better too mind you
and making it so that people like actually start to adopt it and then they can introduce like crazier
and crazier stuff um and i'm here for it i'm really excited i've always wanted like br and ar to be more
ingrained in my life albeit like in a smaller form factor but i'm totally cool with this headset i'm
probably going to be an early adopter because i just love tech in general and i want to try it out
see if i like it you know pretty pretty excited on this um yeah and uh i just want to say that and
i really really like the conversation of the space thank you aaron that is so cool um i really love your
take on it and i do love the the absence of motion sickness i have definitely had the experience
where i've gotten really sick um you know in total virtual reality so i love the idea of the
augmented reality as well i'm i'm actually really excited to try this and check out the videos i
didn't know that that's what they were developing that it was that different um so definitely a huge
a huge thing and for me as an artist like i have kind of shied away from just totally leaving the
real world to do stuff in a complete different reality because of that like i i feel like i didn't
feel right after you know using the oculus headset for a while it just it didn't like vibe with my
body you know and i feel like this is something that could change the game so very exciting to hear
this i'm i'm being educated right now and i appreciate it um yeah go for it go for it oh i was
just gonna say one more thing like one other thing that was really good that came out of this
what is all the the apple headset memes like i don't know if you guys are seeing them but like
they're like every fifth post on my feed and i'm dying laughing like you guys gotta just look them
up they're fucking hilarious just like googly eyes and stuff right like on the headset or it's like
oh man i don't see i don't even want to ruin it some of them are pretty risque and they're hilarious
uh so i would definitely say take a look at them they're pretty funny that is awesome um also just
want to point to the top we do have the second ai prompts completed i want to thank luca and elissa
for contributing to that and also the rest of the people who commented words for that prompt it turned
out really cool really true are you saying you didn't like my prompt about keith in a broken
straitjacket in an asylum dancing near a sink smoking weed i did not even see that i'm still
looking through them although i will definitely create some art with that because that sounds
hilarious
i did like this one she has some imagination doesn't she wow well he responded to my dms more
i wouldn't have to have an imagination about what you're doing when you're not answering me how
about that whoa whoa look this is everyone i get these complaints a lot even from shelby so
shelby just back me up on this yeah i was trying to tell you some serious shit the other day
and you didn't answer i didn't probably see it i probably didn't see i apologize i do apologize
i wish i had like better focus doesn't everyone fuck well when you spend 90 of your time high this
is what happened no i'm kidding wow i love you keith i love you you know i do the roan right now
i'm his i'm his biggest fan he knows that i've made a missing person
i don't know i let her up um but yeah i know that's that's pretty funny uh keith definitely keith
is flooded with dms i feel like keith needs to take breaks from twitter because so many people are
constantly demanding his time that's how it is when you have how many followers does he have now
like a hundred and some crazy amount um but yeah keith i have to bug him to get back to me too sometimes
i i understand it though because i'm the same way uh but yeah we do have a hand up luca i want to go
to you and see what you have to say about this conversation i was going to try and bring this away
a little bit actually but uh i had put something at the top and i realized that it didn't show like
all of it um i did a personalized piece it was the first time that i've used uh like a phrase to try
and select the color palette ahead of time and i put your name in and had chat gpt select the color
palette for this piece so uh if you're wondering what chat gpt chooses you know as a palette for you
it's a lot of like cool blues i really i like it a lot um well this is so cool thank you for pinning
this i love it wow it's very trippy amazing it almost looks like tiny pieces of like glitch art
um yeah i mean i love blue so it's not totally out of character and i'm very honored that you created
this piece like i have not experimented with chat gpt uh creating art so this is really interesting to
me thank you so much for sharing it yeah of course i'm glad you like it uh each one uh each one of the
squares it's like a hundred different flowers so uh it makes up a really cool texture uh i'm just
enjoying it a lot i'm looking for different inspiration and chat gpt seemed to pick something
really cool from your name so well your online identity but uh really uh really enjoyed making
it so i'm glad you like it i just want to clarify that i am shelby sardis like there's no separation
you know um this is me fully so that represents me um thank you guys i really appreciate it um before
we move on completely from the the tech conversation because you know i mean i guess
this is a tech conversation too the art you created using technology using ai like we can't escape it
and i love it like this is why we're here because you know we're artists who are obviously interested
in the evolving landscape of tech and how we can use it to create but i also like speaking of that i
wanted to talk to aaron about what he's been working on because i'm super excited about it and i think
we're doing another space this friday um with his amazing product so aaron do you want to share like a
little bit about what you've been working on yo i did not expect this but i'm so down um yeah on
friday we're gonna be talking about um my uh my new technology i created it's called the super canvas
and my company is called super sketch and that's just like sketch like as in sketch art but um yeah
the super canvas is simply put it's just a digital canvas that an artist can remotely paint on and
think of it like an etch-a-sketch that you own that an artist as they're creating on their etch-a-sketch
your etch-a-sketch mirrors whatever they're doing so if they were to turn off their like drawing
software it actually stays uh persistent on your digital canvas because your canvas is also only
listening for updates so turning off your software or like your ipad or computer it doesn't um it
doesn't erase the digital like canvas side on the collector side so yeah that's kind of like
like a quick like synapse of like exactly what i created but what's really dope is that we launched
um or we're actually uh running an artist uh exhibit um where artists can apply and we fully fund
running an exhibit for you whatever your vision is it's only you have two weeks to create on the super
canvas and just create art and uh uh like at the start of the two weeks you a bunch of collectors come
in mint and they view your canvas for two weeks straight and then um at the end of the two weeks
the collectors have a chance at a one of one of something that you created on the canvas so yeah
that's that's like kind of what we're working on right now and what's really dope is i don't know if
you guys know who alissa oh alissa's up here alissa stevens she's our first artist that's gonna run
an exhibit um and on friday we're gonna announce her mint date we're super hyped for that and uh i'm
we we just feel really fortunate that a lot of amazing artists have already applied and what's
also really dope is that if you know an artist that we don't know or an artist that hasn't applied and
you and you refer them to us if they write your name as the their referrer when they fill out the
application then we will actually be giving you like this really dope gift and uh on friday we're
gonna announce uh alissa's mint day and also we'll actually tell you what the dope gift is for our
referral bounty so that's that's my whole spiel thanks for letting me talk shelby you're freaking
awesome and i think we're you and i are kind of in talks of like sorry you drawing on friday
and finishing your piece of art because shelby has worked on the super canvas already and she
made some like really dope shelby stardust art honestly like i i don't know how she did it with
the tools that she was provided but she was killing it so i'm super excited to see it finished also
erin thank you so much no you've been a day one supporter of you know molly and i in our spaces that
we were doing back last summer so it's so wild to see this finally come to fruition i know you've
been working so hard and i actually had such a great time drawing last time and it was so cool
to see people's reactions to like seeing me add stuff as they're watching like that was priceless i
kind of even you know i already knew the concept was valuable and thought it was really cool but then
actually doing it and then getting people to be like whoa you just added this it's so cool
that was crazy to me like i i've never experienced that before and so it was really exciting and i'm
definitely bullish on that technology and you know that's again that's why we're here like we
are exploring new frontiers of technology with nfts like that's why all these artists are in this
space right now and you know shout out to everybody who's here in the audience uh don't be afraid to hit
people up you know hit up erin if you want to experiment with that hit up tony if you have
questions about the you know the vr ar stuff like i think this is such a good place to find resources and
people who are exploring with these things and like this is what we're here to do is experiment so
thank you for sharing erin and i see tony has a hand up yeah real quick someone wants to say hello
meowdy hey hey hey sammy oh my god you guys oh wow okay i'm so excited um i wish i was hanging
out with you guys right now we just landed in san francisco after a long drive you were the voice of
our uh winding adventure just now oh my god i almost tore up how about that i told you they
were going to be here i'm so excited they just landed all right i'm gonna jump thanks for having
us shelby have so much fun um please just oh my god i wish i was there i'm really jealous to be
honest i wish i was in san francisco right now because sammy and ray together they're just a force
some of the most talented artists in web3 like they're musicians if you guys don't know who they are
please go find their profiles i'll try to pin something up from both of them uh actually i
have that tweet that we you know created the other day they had me preview this song hear this song of
theirs for the first time that they're about to release and it was just magical i really didn't
want to do a video because i was not prepared but i'm so glad we did because it turned out i i was a
very natural reaction like this song is so beautiful so i'm gonna pin up that tweet so everybody can
um go check it out and check them out if you don't know them already but yeah tony have a great time
hang out with them bye ray bye sammy bye talk soon bye keith bye have a good one
love you guys bye
awesome yeah keith actually introduced me to sammy a while ago yeah i pretty much did everything for
you shelby you owe me everything so i'm gonna want that paid whoa whoa whoa i might have to boot you from
the color spot for that do i owe you everything i don't think that's true but you know what i owe you a
lot i do like to say that though i'm just kidding you don't mean anything no one knows anyone shit
mom my mom's like laughing in the background mom don't laugh in the background shit yeah but um
yeah you don't mean anything shelby i'm just kidding i love being up here with you i love your art spaces
i don't have to buy art but i've been buying some art so the listeners you don't have to shill the dms but
i am just buying from the listeners randomly so thanks for having me shelby i really appreciate you i owe
you everything let me just change this around oh my god keith thank you for buying art today you know
it is such a rough market and so many artists are struggling like it's hard it's hard to keep showing
up every day when people aren't making sales and even some of the biggest most successful artists are
you know not even able to sell out some additions drops it's rough you know like there's no denying it
but again like thank you to supporting these artists who are still showing up every day still coming to
my spaces still creating it means the world to me to support the people who show up for for all of us
um so thank you and i do want to direct everyone's attention to the latest ai prompt that i pinned up
it's kid cudi um what was it let me find it kid cudi tripping on acid while dancing to mgmt bum fuzzle
thanks dominic for that word in the style of egon shiel crypto punk pictorial space kelly free us
prehistoric core commission for neo geo and it's absolutely wild like they didn't not really get
kid cudi right um but there are some crazy trippy scenes one of them is like a gremlin creature i don't
really know what's going on but definitely go check that out and i do invite everybody to keep posting
words i'm going to create a couple more before we end the space we still have like an hour left so
please go post them helps get the space out there retweet the space if you really want to be generous
and you know spread the art because most of the spaces happening right now are not about art you
know we have a lot of ordinal spaces a lot of meme coin spaces uh you know a lot about the sec etc
but art really gets kind of pushed to the background and in some of the biggest spaces in the nft space
on twitter so i just really appreciate everybody kind of getting the word about art out like this is
a space for artists and people who appreciate art and i think it's really important to get eyes on it
because not a lot of people are doing this right now um you know again i encourage everybody to
host their own spaces create art spaces hit me up with topics like let's keep this going and you
know really be a haven for artists in this time when the market's absolutely insane there's a lot of
stuff going on but we still want to talk about the work and the art itself um but yeah we have jason on
the stage we haven't said hi to yet so i want to say hi to jason hello shelby nice to be back here
it's been a while since i've been on stage hello to everybody else keith dom alissa colin aaron
and a lot of players down in the listeners too there's so many cool people here
but yeah i i popped up originally just because i like the conversation about uh i can't remember
the exact question about it was about art anyway so that's what i remember and yeah i'm gonna ask you
this question um the the topic of the space i wanted to talk about like the artist process because
everyone has a really unique process so i want to ask you what goes through your mind when you're
creating a new piece like where do you get your vision or do you have a vision you come into it
with a you know a clear purpose or do you just kind of experiment like can you walk us through that
process well i'd say it's both because sometimes i like to just kind of go in like you said free
flowing i'll have like maybe times where i'll just want to pull like a a portrait out of some
black and white or if you will kairoscuro i don't i think i murdered the pronunciation of that but
basically black and white and studying how light falls on subjects irregularly kind of just really
contrasty work but anyways i'll go into some of those like with really just thinking i'm just gonna
you know make some marks on the paper and pull a portrait out of it just out of nowhere which is
i've done quite a few times there's also a lot of them though like i'll go through like human emotion
kind of like if you're going through something or just concepts as well like i'll come up with a
concept and maybe coming down off of psychedelics a lot of times i'll think of stuff like that because
like i really get a feeling of i don't know just human consciousness there's just way more to it
than we even have a clue we don't have a clue but yeah i like to dive into subjects like that and when
i'm coming down off of psychedelics i really get some cool ideas of you know how to portray say you
know uh astral projection if you will and a lot of yeah i've had a few pieces like that but
a lot of it's you know there's a lot of emotion behind it because like i'll be you know i i'm the
kind of guy i'll look through like some old photos or something will remind me of something that
happened in the past or or also like someone i knew in the past and those can really drive a
piece right through um i'll be thinking of just a lot of times like there was one recent not recently
a while back and it was just you know on the emotion of like how quickly life can be just
you know shattered and i wanted to create a piece that kind of looked really fragile and
yet beautiful and yeah you know it can come from either a vision that i have or or it can be just
kind of you know almost winging it it's kind of both it just depends like sometimes i like to get a
portrait down and just let everything kind of unfold as i see the the images on that i'm laying
down there i'll just pull other images out and yeah it some of it's just free flowing it's it's
really hard each image is different each one i do i think it's hard to really pinpoint it but yeah
a lot of it's from human emotion and just yeah psychedelic experience i love that jason why don't
you pin a couple things to the top you know or a piece you've been working on recently i would love
to see it and i think it's really interesting you brought up the psychedelic thing again and also
astral projection i've been surprised talking to some of my favorite artists when they say that
astral projection is something that inspires them a lot which is really fascinating to me and not
something that i have personally experienced but if anybody has experienced it i guess i'm inviting
you to share your experience because it's really interesting to me and i do see dominic with a hand up
yeah i just wanted to ask jason a quick question jason you mentioned chiaroscuro lighting
is there a particular artist uh that inspired that for you
i love looking at da vinci's work just the way he creates the volume on his pieces and
trying to think uh if you haven't went down a caravaggio rabbit hole yet he's in my opinion the master of it
and so much so that the complete godfather trilogy the movies uh the famous cinema photographer gordon
willis uh patterned all those movies lighting that's like if you watch the godfather you'll
quickly see that whether they're indoors outdoors doesn't matter um whether they're in at that time
modern day italy or new york it has that beautiful high contrast and uh where they hit light it's very
uh burnt and it's just gorgeous and they look like uh those uh late renaissance paintings so
if you haven't went down the caravaggio rabbit hole that will lead you to the godfather i
highly recommend you do and of course rembrandt yes rembrandt i was trying to think of the name
that's one of my favorites i love his portraits and like his self-portraits just i don't know
they just speak to me man i can stare into those portraits for so long just get lost in them
and just it was you know at a different time in life so like their expression is just like
what they were going through and yeah yeah if you ever get the chance to see rembrandt in person
they're quite magnificent and uh reproductions don't do them any justice because he was very
he was much more painterly than you'll see on a printed page so when you see his paintings
especially in the light areas he really builds up a lot of paint and so they kind of have a three
not kind of they have a very three-dimensional feeling not just because how well he painted light
but just because of the way he built up the texture of the paint as well so it almost looks
sculptural on the canvas uh i i can't recommend it enough if for whatever reason there's a rembrandt
and driving distance from your home by all means go check them out
that's awesome i want to love it thank you for dropping that alpha dominic you know i have i have
really enjoyed the cherished girl works that i've seen in the seattle art museum when they did an
exhibit with a lot of them um really blew my mind the way that they use light it's definitely
inspired some of my oil painting works and honestly the digital stuff too uh yeah some one of these
days we'll have to get into a deeper discussion about like art history and specific artists that
we like that might be an interesting idea for a topic that we can discuss later uh because i i love
diving into that i think it's really fun but i do see uh wait jason has a hand up and then jessica
okay just one last thing um before i post my piece i just wanted a big shout out to super aaron
because he is my first collector last week he picked up one of my pieces and i just wanted to
shout him out and i couldn't be happier that it's in his hands because his taste in art and his art as
well as someone i look up to it's just i'm kind of beside myself still it's kind of surreal but
yeah i'll post that piece because that was kind of the one i was talking about that's life is fragile
yet it's like just so beautiful but like yeah i wanted to portray that you'll see i'll i'll put it
up i'll put it up that's awesome yeah aaron do you want to respond to that yeah you know honestly um
i believe in jason and everything that he creates uh i am absolutely amazed by him if if you just take
a moment and like look at his art and then ask him about his art you will realize that it's like
multi-layered there's so much going on that i don't even i never caught like the first time looking at it
and um you know it it's he puts so much thought into it even like the paper and it's like it's not that
like oh this is like the best paper in the world for x reason no it's it's the paper he wanted for a
special reason to get like even more of the texture of like the image that he was looking for and like
uh he puts so much thought into like um like even the concepts and and he just i don't know i was
really amazed and i feel really lucky to be his first collector i truly do and i'm a fan i've always
been a fan of his so i i just had to i had to buy a piece i really did i love it congrats jason and
congrats congrats congrats congrats aaron for collecting i mean this is a beautiful piece and
i know you guys go way back with the whole rabbit hole the spaces we used to do and i'm just so happy
for both of you uh that you can connect in this way uh i want do you want to go to jessica because
she's had a hand up and also welcome to the space i know it's a crazy time zone difference but i'm so
happy to have you here um i would love to hear from you how you're doing and then i can ask you the
question of the space or if you have anything to add to the current conversation just go for it
yeah hey shogi um i wanted to talk a bit about um sleep paralysis because that it like triggers in me
oh my god i want to talk about it so much because basically like i had sleep paralysis from like
13 to 21 and i still get it occasionally but i mean like hardcore like every single night and i'd get
really like traumatic experiences like a sensation i never saw anything but like like a demon literally
like pulling me out of my body touching me like running like you know grabbing my legs and stuff like
that and then it led into a lot of out of body experiences like if i'd relax into the sleep paralysis
this like kaleidoscope of like like color and light would happen and i'd like fly through it and like
fly around my house and things um so like needless to say like that did impact my art a lot because
it led me to realize that you know we are not our body and we are you know like a soul within and
you know you're not bound to the body and that's why like in my work um the human body well you sort
of abstraction because it's basically like reality isn't real and you could have a hand but that hand
could be like a huge flower or a spade or like a snake or anything like that and um i do think this
isn't our only life i think we have another life after this and reincarnation and things like that
um and it also led me to i mean i've always been like inspired by death because i'm like what the
hell we're gonna like die one day that's so weird you know and kind of trying to like find out what
happens after so i do think from my experiences there is something after that 100 million billion
percent um that's also why i use a death that comes up in my work maybe not like so obviously in
all of it um it's always there but i like to depict death as something that's something to be
celebrated because the fact that everything is impermanent means that life is so special so
sacred like everyone on this space all of us talking here together now like that is sacred that is like
you know it's amazing like like everything like you have to find the beauty and um really like small
things in the everyday but um but yeah that was greatly inspired by my experiences with sleep paralysis
so yeah wow so first of all that is absolutely harrowing like how terrifying i've heard sleep
paralysis stories i'm very thankful that i haven't had my own um although i have come to some of the
same conclusions as you i think spiritually so you know i would love if you could explain a little
bit more about the inspiration for your work i know you touched on it when you were talking but
the you know the conversation today i had this topic or this question that i was asking everyone
which is what goes through your mind when you're creating a new piece like where does your inspiration
come from and what's your process like of course those are you know a lot of complicated questions
we could probably talk for hours but i'd love to hear just a little bit about like your inspirations
for the pieces that you've been creating recently and if you want to go ahead and pin something up
i would love that too please feel free to i also did for everyone else i pinned up the ai prompt the fourth
one which was absolutely insane um it was bullish pool hall bruce almighty ribbit frog purple rain
chad bukowski cosmic inspiration solarizing master multi-colored landscapes and don bluth and we have
some absolutely gorgeous depictions of like these beautiful pool halls with little frogs in them i don't
really know what's going on but i'm kind of obsessed so everybody please go check that out and then
jessica please pin something up that you want oh you already did awesome um i was gonna pin this one
up anyway because i'm gonna pin some pieces up at the end from people who commented on my tweet
yesterday but i'm so happy you're here to talk about it like i want to hear about your inspiration
for this piece yeah cool so like basically for this one so obviously i've got my little thing going on
like the wild child and the wild child is um you know reconnecting to the inner child spontaneity
authenticity self-expression so right in the center of this one you've got a little wild child
who is um angia of like the red lotus and she's got the little diamond obviously that means like
ethereum as well but she is basically riding on the third eye of death but here so this is basically
it's inspired by my dmt trip as well but it's meant to be what the moment is when you die and like what
greets you so instead of this like horrible like you know like shrouded like you know the classical
depiction of death i thought what if it comes to you and it's just this beautiful like
wah like trippy thing and it's all like abstract and crazy so one of the hands is a paw and that is
also kind of inspired by like michael cat but it's like got a big cat's paw with the um you can see
like the the arm bone coming out but it's covered in feathers so it's all like fabulous and i was thinking
like you know like rio de janeiro and like drag and stuff like that and you've got the skull um but
i've been messing around with animation on my ipad i've actually downloaded an app called glitche which
i really like recommend to everyone it's really really really good um wait what's the app sorry
to interrupt you it's called glitche like glitch egg am i hearing you right no glitch like you know
like glitch and then a like e with the apostrophe like cafe amazing thank you so much for hearing i
just had to ask because i want to download it right now it's so good like get the like monthly trial and
like see what you think like um um but yeah so but to be honest the app wasn't actually like working
for me that day so i went back to the ipad and then i've just been playing with different layers and
different effects i can do on there and so the fact that it's like glitching out and it's there's
like you know it's obviously like disintegrating and like fragmenting that's just meant to show
that obviously as you like pass on it's like obviously everything's disintegrating it's nothing
but the idea is the little wild child it's like she's like she's the one that greets you when you
die and she's like so happy to see you she's just like this like innocent little girl so obviously
it's bringing that like childlike essence to something that's actually quite a scary topic
because it's meant to be like don't be scared and so she says she's like oh my god i can't wait i'll
be waiting for you and you're gonna like go off into the night into the stars and just dance
that's what's behind this one and i wrote like quite a lot i don't know if it makes the tweet
look quite like messy but i wrote um the description of it underneath as well
i love that so much i'm a huge fan of bringing like bright colors and kind of positive things just a
really dark topic like that's something that i like to explore a lot and i think that the meaning
behind this is so amazing and so deep and like this is what i want to happen when i die i want to be
greeted by her like i definitely relate to it i feel it it's gonna happen super cool she'll be there
that's so reassuring like i'm feeling better about it already
no i love it it's so good um yeah really cool piece everyone check that out it's pinned up at
the top and i jessica i'd love to hear like how did you start experimenting with glitch art were you
inspired by any specific artists um you know or art pieces or did you just kind of come across it on
your own oh man like i wish i could like think of specific artists off my head but i literally like
can't but there's loads like there's probably like loads in the audience as well um yeah i just really
like it i think it's really cool um wait sorry what was the second part of that question
oh i mean it was really just like how did you come across glitch art in general but um yeah well i see
it obviously like all the time i feel like it's like really popular but um i think the ipad pro and
like procreate is just it's so good like there's just so many different options for um for like just
creating like cool effects in your work like one thing would say if you've got all your different
frames and you're making animation you can you know you've got the like distort tool you've got
the liquefy tool the glitch tool and if you've got say like five frames you just literally increase the
intensity as you go up so in this one um the end is nicely defined you can see um there's bits that
don't move so it's like you can animate um like some layers but then not all of them you kind of don't
need to think too hard about it because it's going to be like never be attached to the outcome when
you make anything obviously as well and like i do make things quite spontaneously like i always think
oh maybe i should sit down and actually plan a workout but it never works like that i just
like just make it like on the spot basically but um obviously if you're making something glitchy
like abstract you can just have fun with it so yeah that's um that's what i would recommend
amazing jessica seriously i love seeing you experiment and and some of your you know new
styles coming out because i know that you're super well known for painting board apes and different nft
collections and so i love to see you experimenting with your own work as well i mean of course that's
your work too but really you know bringing your vision to life and something that you know maybe has a
little bit more meaning for you behind it than commission work like of course as an artist like
i've done a lot of commission work too and it's always fun to be able to do your own visions and i
love this i think it's so fun to see you experimenting and i can't wait to see what's next i mean
i would love like your your own style i see you have kind of a cohesive style with the glitch
and your character that you've made and and just like the the colors that you use so do you feel
like you're kind of building out a world uh where your art exists or do you feel like you're just
having fun and there's no like deeper place oh no definitely like 100 it's building wild child
world um and so yeah no like definitely definitely definitely i mean the commissioned work it's it
exactly it's like you've got the commissioned work which is obviously like super fun and great but
all the time i'm building my own like basically the culmination of it is going to be these
irl experiences like when you walk into a room and say you've got this giant wild child say
something like um oh let me find an example to show um which is actually like gonna happen because
i've met some really cool artists here and we're like in talk so i don't want to say that too much
but um imagine walking into a room and you've got this like huge wild child and it's like dancing and
you know there could be something with the skeleton it's all colorful colorful like a huge like rave
and there's like smoke and lights and then um i don't know i'm influenced by you know like tomorrow
lands or um i can't think other ones you know like festivals but basically that's like some like
long-term vision but um what's it called yeah like the wild child so the idea of the wild child is
obviously they're all inside us and they're all around us at the same time they're obviously unseen
well and some you know inspired sleep paralysis you know body etc but then also like my paintings
like primarily i'd say i'm a painter like painting is what really really really really makes my soul
thing and so it's like how to and the wild child's living the paintings as well it's all very like
cohesive you know because we're all part of like the whole as well as just being like little
individual like incarnations um uh but yeah um oh i've had such a brain fart oh my god but yeah
no you're so good i have loved hearing you share this and you know something when you when you
were talking about your you know eventual plans that you've been talking to artists about like having
this you know world and and seeing the wild child like really huge so it brought to mind something we
were talking about earlier which was you know apple obviously releasing this headset i saw a couple
people talk about this on the timeline where like the next phase for art and of course this is like
you know a hot take this is one person's opinion but i think it was really cool that you know the next
phase for art is like seeing the scale just dramatically change like you can see you know a massive character
the size of the manhattan skyline you know and stuff like that that's really exciting to me
yeah yeah and it's like it also it shows because then obviously like these little characters but
walking in and there's this like massive like little feral girl it's like it kind of brings the
sense of the numinous you know it's like the feeling of like sensing god and like you're really
small and i want people like that's a really like powerful feeling um and yeah just being like
totally immersed and you know it's all in the details as well so having an experience where
everything is thought out it's like you know what would a plant look like a wild child world what
does it smell like obviously there'd be like a hell of a lot of incense or like you know like taste
i mean there could be different rooms there could be like so i've kind of like that you could have
like the rave cave where you all come and everyone's dancing barefoot and obviously like i really like
dancing so it's like you know ecstatic dance and things like that but then there could also be an area
where the colors are different and it's very um i'm trying to think before i can't think all the
words but it's like a chill a chill space so there's like meditation and yoga like you want people to
leave an exhibition like whoa that's actually really like i've had some crazy release here and
obviously you know everyone painting together because that's another thing is when i create a
mentorship before it's all very spontaneous and i do think that if you just let loose on a canvas and
just make all these mad like painterly configurations and just let go and then you slowly slowly say oh
that looks a bit like a cat that looks a bit like this you know when i'm painting i'll have a painting
up and i'll leave it then i'll look at it like a couple of days later and i'll be like oh my god
something there's like speaking to me i've got to start bringing it out so like getting everyone
involved in like doing this i think would be like really special
that is so cool and i'm so excited for you again i've just been really enjoying watching you explore
your own style and come out with all these really cool glitch pieces that i feel like have so much
emotion behind them and then hearing you talk about it and the meaning behind it just adds another layer
of depth to me so thank you so much for sharing you know jessica i also wanted to invite you tomorrow
i'm actually doing an art space with borovic who's like i know you did a piece for him like a long
time ago we were talking about it yesterday which was his crypto punk but we would love you to come
up on that space and share your art you know he is one of the i think he's like top on nft inspect
or something so i love that he's doing an art space because i feel like all of the big influencers
should be pointing the direction you know should be pointing their audience towards artists and art
so i was excited when he asked me to like help him out with you know organizing this art space and we
would love to have you on um just a random side note yeah for sure oh my god that'd be amazing
oh my god the fake borovic added me on instagram i was like dming me and stuff and there's a picture
of him like stroking a pig and i sent it to him and i was like this is magical he was like how's your
trade going and i was like oh here we go that is so funny um i love it fake influencers everywhere it's
pretty wild it's such a classic it's like tell me you're a scammer you know it's like how's your trade
going dear you know just like classic but yeah definitely i've i've got to go because i'm going
for like a like um barefoot run on the beach now so like my friends i told him i was like i'm just
on the twitter space so he's waiting outside having coffee so i feel like i should skedaddle
yes go have fun enjoy uh thank you so much for coming up love hearing from you definitely we'll
see you in spaces hopefully tomorrow if it works out but have a great run that sounds beautiful
yeah definitely thank you so much for having me up a piece of love if you would have a sick day lots of
love lots of love lots of love amazing bye jessica um i see pretty ricky has had a hand up for a minute
now it must be getting so sore i just wanted to ask you um how are you doing and you know you raised a
hand i'd love to hear about your take i know you're a photographer and we could talk about your
process or if you had anything else you wanted to bring up go for it i mean i'm not gonna lie
i'm not entirely sure what's for me in the future with photography considering everything but
right now i'm just excited to find out because now i don't have the limitations
i'm not stuck so i'm excited to see what i can do i'm excited to actually go out and find
locations to shoot at and not be trapped in a house or a basement or a backyard
a basement what the fuck is going on here wait yeah wait what were you you were trapped
in a bay i need no no not like that like limited limited
okay so now you feel like you were limited and now you're not is there any are there factors in
your life that is attributed to that or are you talking about like the technology that is changing or
i'd love to just get a little bit more context for this well i mean what it is it's mainly um
i'm no longer with savatic i'm gonna leave that at that but um now i don't have to sit around and
try to make it work for both of us i can focus on myself focus on photography see what it truly means
for me wait was that are you talking about a relationship i'm totally not familiar
he knows more about it but basically um broke up with the guy i was with for two years and
now i'm just gonna focus on myself get out there try to create art for myself
art that i will like art that is completely mine and i'm just excited
wow okay congratulations first of all it seems like you're very free and excited to be out of
this relationship which means it was definitely the right decision and i feel like you know the
people you surround yourself with impact your art hugely you know and whether you're able to create
at all or not and i feel like it's so important to be you know if you are in a relationship if you're
with someone to have that person support you completely and you know inspire you if anything or help you
with your ideas rather than um you know trapping you or making you feel like you don't have the
space to create so i'm i'm very excited for you and you know i'd love to hear a little bit about your
experience with photography and you know if you have a vision going into things or you know what you've
created if you want to pin something up please go for it i mean i've only been doing it for a little
over a year to begin with
and it was because i wanted a different way to bond with him and it worked for a little bit until
it got to the point where i just needed to put myself first but um honestly it's just little things
like if i see something i like and it gives me an idea like we had at his house for my last
shoot it was a acrylic dome and i wanted to basically try to build like a little terranium
in there of the rainforest and have a model in it and that was like my first well besides for like
the little collections i've posted now like the like probably one of the biggest things i've ever
decided to do and it and i loved how they came out but it's just really just finding like
a prop or an idea a photo somewhere or just seeing something on the side of the road that gives you
that idea and then you just kind of bring it to life
initially was it in that space or was that before you came in or you know how did you get started
i mean this will always be a part of my story um savatic brought me in and i was one of his
biggest supporters and i met the bullish trader from him started co-hosting the show spaces came up
with my own ai art for a while and then started to pick up photography mixed photography with ai for a
while and then felt confident enough my own work to post it and now i'm just here trying to figure out
the next step and getting back into web three that's awesome you know i think that people are
always a part of your journey and they can help you get to the place that you're meant to be even if
they're not supposed to be in your life forever so i'm excited that you know you were brought into
web three in that way and i think that you're now here in a better position obviously you sound
very excited to be free and i can't wait to see what you create next i mean i think that with you
know your as your life changes you enter new creative phases and you have new inspirations and
it can be really refreshing and you never know what is going to happen when you just start
experimenting so i'm excited to see what you come up with and the things i could take away from this
relationship was i'm grateful he introduced me to web three that from him i met one great person
and from there and i stuck with him for a while i met a ton of amazing people like i see
marybeth down there and i haven't bothered her in a hot minute but i loved marybeth hi marybeth
and from there i found photography and a ton of other interests and i know the past few days it has
felt like i can't do any of it but now i'm at the point where i know i can it'll just be different
but difference good
different is good you know we have to evolve over time and like i said i think you never know
what amazing things will come from a new phase of life so i am definitely excited for you
we do have bananakin on the stage who i haven't spoken to in a minute and i'm very excited because
bananakin is another og rabbit hole homie who's been here for a while supporting me and everybody
else in this space so i would love to hear bananakin how are you are you still traveling abroad enjoying
your life uh you know what thanks for having me first of all i'm really enjoying the conversation
um everybody's been putting such good takes in here and i'm really enjoying it and actually i am
back in north america as of today i had a long like 24 hour uh trip from europe to north america but i am
back uh my sleep schedule is kind of messed but i'm happy and i'm really excited to be here and it's not
two in the morning for me so it's great but i had i had a question i wanted to put this out there so i
i personally like my art is is writing i do writing and i've also done like street art a little bit of
collage but i'm listening to everybody's stories when i do my stuff i always there's like two different
ways i make art sometimes it's very it's very deliberate i feel like i'm a detective like i know
that there's this case i need to solve and i see these clues but it takes me time to put the the
full idea the full picture together versus other times when i just get hit with inspiration and it's
just like pure emotion and the work is done quickly and i was wondering you know for yourself shelby and
anybody else up here jason alissa like you know is it consistent with the way you make your art do you
always do it the same if not does it work differently or and then how or why
that's a great question so i mean for me personally i have quite a bit of structure in my process you
know i have a lot of like random visions of inspiration like i want to create this but then
my process of like actually creating it usually you know i do an outline i really think of the concept
i pick a color palette you know i sketch everything out in a really orderly way as much as i can i really
like iterate on the draft so that i can have a clear plan of what i'm doing um and then my process
starts like i always do like the shadows first so i start like making you know dark parts of the
canvas and then i end up adding the highlights afterwards so i feel like my process is a little
bit consistent um and that's true of oil paintings and digital art for me i always start in kind of the
same way a long time ago i i saw a class like a live painting class of this artist who gave me that tip
which was like basically start with the low lights and the shadows and build your way to the highlights
which is always something that really stuck with me so i would say that's a consistent part of my
process but then like the vision aspect i think it really depends on the piece you know for commission
work it's about working with the client to create a vision but i only usually take on um pieces that i have
a strong vision for initially when someone comes to me so like i always see something in my mind right
away if i'm if i'm making a piece of art then i saw it in my mind beforehand and then i'm going to
try to execute it and sometimes it ends up being very different from what's in my mind but it's
always a satisfying feeling when you can actually create exactly what you thought of you know when
you beforehand so for me it's a little bit less free than i think other artists but i still love the
idea of experimenting and i've been wanting to at some point when i have some time uh take a more
free approach to the canvas and just try to like draw and paint see what happens but definitely
when i've done that trying to execute something it's a little bit messy it doesn't have the quality
of work that i want for my pieces so that's why i've like strayed from that because i'm trying to
get shit done and and create things and like if i'm just freely creating it doesn't usually have the
same results um as when i like have a really solid plan but i still think it's a good creative
exercise and something i want to experiment more with but yeah if anybody else has an answer to
that i would love to hear um i see elissa throwing a heart up why don't we hear from her yeah i kind
of like talked about it in the beginning of the space but i'll add on to it a little bit um i feel
like my process is very intuitive and kind of like never planned really um and i feel like the actual
like act of creating kind of like is a way of processing things i'm going through or my emotions and
then it's kind of like once i'm making the art and after i make the art i kind of understand what
it's about versus like having an idea beforehand so it's kind of like a flipped process for me
um but yeah it's just very like um i forget oh yeah i think dominic earlier in the space was talking
about his process and i really resonated with it being very like i hate to use the word spiritual but
i kind of view it as a spiritual process of being very connected to like this energy that
we're all a part of and um that's kind of how i view creating is just being connected
i love that go ahead i have a follow-up elissa if uh if you can answer this or if i could word
this correctly so what since it is an intuitive way that you make art and you just go and you're
inspired and you just make it do you find that you always do the same style as the the the stuff that
you share and sell or do you do different style do you feel like uh confined to the style you're in
or if your intuition just changes would you would you start to go that way kind of curious i try to
let myself like experiment and not confine myself when creating but i don't know i always feel like i
end up coming back to like the same like style of just very abstract usually like portraits or just
like um abstract like expressive art um but yeah i don't know i don't want to confine myself but
sometimes it is kind of scary to experiment but i always try to remind myself like that's the whole
point of art is like letting yourself create freely and take yourself out of a box and just like see
whatever happens um but in general i don't know i feel like when i was younger and i loved making art i
hadn't like found my style at that point and it took time and i remember in high schools when
i was making a lot of art and i started finding a more unique style and it was very abstract so like
ever since then i kind of have been just very drawn to abstract art but i've been through like phases
like a few summers ago i was painting a lot and i would try to do like more realistic portraits and
stuff so like sometimes i like to experiment but recently i don't know i feel like i'm always
returning to like the same kind of style
i love that thank you for sharing elissa um i see jason with a hand up
yeah i just to reiterate what i said before um like for mine like sometimes i will have a vision
of you know the concept and it'll be kind of rigid well i'll give myself a little bit of leeway but
i'll have sometimes where it's like just completely free flow just i want to pull a
a face out of the out of the blackness of you know throw a bunch of charcoal on and then start
making highlights and pull an eye out and just see if i can make it look really realistic and human
and a lot of those ones are usually start because uh like going through just like i said before a
nostalgic moment where you're thinking about life and how quick it can be or like maybe an old
photograph reminds you of someone or the time you had together kind of thing there's a lot of
mine that are kind of like that i just get inspired by something a concept and emotion and just kind of let
it just let it flow and yeah like i said some are structured and but there's another one that i had
like it was i really based on like kind of a feeling and it was like the feeling i had sometimes
when i was at work in in the welding shop after working so many years and i'd be thinking about
art at work and i'd just get this gloom because i wasn't working on my art and i had so many ideas
in my head and like this is only a few years ago and i couldn't figure out how to describe it like i was
like what is this feeling like i just i know that like i should be doing more art and i know i should
be at home doing it why am i here like burning up you know fusing steel together and making
structures that i don't even want to make anymore it's like i should be at home and i was making this
piece of art and i was trying to figure out like what is this feeling and i had to look up like you
know what what's is there a feeling or whatever i can't remember how i worded it but just the feeling
of not following your dreams or what could have been kind of thing and it came up as monkey and
it's a french word for pretty much exactly what i just said and i made a piece on that so that's
yeah sometimes just inspired emotion and that one was like pretty much like i had the emotion and i
kind of had a semi-vision of what i wanted like kind of a black hole inside of an eye and then just
to create a way to express like just a real gloomy eating away at like your soul because you're not
chasing your dream and it was like really like i yeah i was feeling it hard at work it was just like
really bugging me so i had to create the piece because i i don't know later i felt it again when
i was off work and i was like whoa i forgot about that feeling let's go and i made it so yeah yeah it's all
over the place sometimes it's structured sometimes it's just free flowing yeah yeah i'm glad you asked
i like talking about this stuff wow that is so intense you know i think there's something so tragic
about you know an artist obviously you are an artist having to do other things to stay alive and just
you know being feeling so trapped and not being able to execute your visions and like i've definitely
had a taste of that you know where i've had these visions i wanted to execute and for me it's been
maybe a little bit well definitely a different situation where i've had commissions that i've
had to do and then i have these visions for stuff that i really want to create but i absolutely do
not have the time and just have to work on the pieces and like i'm very very grateful that i have
commissions that i can work on them so not trying to sound like oh poor me no not at all i'm very
lucky but i can definitely relate to like feeling like you just have so many ideas and you want to
create and not being able to because of life circumstances so you know i'm so sorry that you
experience that i'm so happy that you're creating and if you want to pin that piece up to the top i
don't know if you've shared it but i would love to see it because i kind of i i would really love to
see that feeling embodied um you know i know aaron who was up here earlier has painted stuff that has
like really depicted emotions of anxiety and other things that i felt were executed so well and i'd love
to see you know this piece of yours and and how you express it
right on thank you thank you i'll post it up here right away but yeah thanks for all the kind words
it's such a beauty conversation i'll yield my time oh no you're so good this is what we're here for
um i do want to direct everyone's attention to the fifth ai prompt uh which is and now yeah okay
glitter a long time ago in a land far far away detailed space architecture paintings intricately mapped
ethereal worlds dreamy scenes really really interesting pieces uh super trippy psychedelic
space vibes like i really love this so thank you to everybody who contributed to that prompt definitely
go check that out uh if you're not feeling inspired to create ai art i highly recommend you check it out
check out all of the ai prompt results that i've posted um just really fun to experiment with that
whether you're an artist or not i mean we all can be artists just depends on the medium so
thank you to everybody who contributed and i do want to go to secretly trading we just brought you
up on stage i think you're the only person up here we haven't heard from i would love to check in with
you and maybe hear your your take on like how you go to create a piece and what your vision is or if
you have a vision going into creating something what's up what's up thank you for having me
um i definitely think that we were talking about commissions and i wanted to bring the light to
one of my like favorite pieces ever ever happened was because i answered somebody who dm'd me
and i made a commission for him and i really got into art because somebody hit me up saying like
hey i like your style let me get a piece you know you saw the distinctive features that i was
creating he's like i want the same thing can you make me this certain style and i loved it you know
so like i i don't really think i just do based on like how i'm feeling i'll just like paint
recently um but i like i just like good vibes that's that's what i do i just create characters that
you could stare at and visual visualize like you could put down a shirt or relate to
i love that um i'm really happy to hear that a commission piece actually got you deeper into art
i definitely feel the same about some of mine i think that pushing yourself to do commissions
can be a really valuable thing as an artist especially to get started uh if you want to
pin something up please go for it we'd love to see some of your work and jason i'm looking at the
piece that you pinned and wow that hits me so hard i can feel the anguish in this piece i think you
expressed it so well um thank you so much for sharing that everybody please take a look at that
and then yeah secretly if you want to pin anything of yours would love to see it for sure thank you so
much for having me and um i love i love how you're doing ai also i think that's so smart you know
because like you don't even have to be creative at like the way that you draw like you could just have
a thought so if i have something for your prompt maybe i'll let you know awesome yeah you know again i
just want to give some ai alpha for any artists out there any more traditional artists something that
i've had a lot of fun with i did mention this at the beginning of the space but for anybody who just
jumped in i just want to share my own experience because it's been so fun of putting my art into the
ai so i have mid journey i've been using mid journey version five and you take your art you use the
describe command and you put the image in and it comes up with four prompts that it would use to
describe your image so you can put your art in and see what words the ai uses to describe your art
and then you can use that to iterate and create new images that could be either inspiration or
references or just for fun um you know i so far have kind of used multiple ai images to compile
for a reference photo essentially that i then paint that um in my style so it's just been such a cool
thing to experiment and like basically like pick ai's mind of like what do you think of my art how would
you describe my art i've discovered new artists because when i put my art in it comes out with you know
artists names that they would use to describe this style so i just can't recommend that enough like
it's been so much fun and so cool so definitely just want to plug ai for right now like even if
you're a totally traditional artist like i am myself it's an amazing tool and i think evolving with
it and using it is the way to get ahead um but we do have chen lee on the stage i do want to say hi
to her chen lee how are you hi shelby i'm i'm good i actually uh sleep slept on normal hours today and
this got up a couple hours ago no three hours ago so yeah i'm back to normal hours for for now
yeah how are you i am doing great you know i would love to hear from you um you are obviously building
an intern world with interesting your art and you have a very unique style and when i see one of your
pieces i know it's yours but i'd love to hear like when you go to create a piece what does your
vision look like do you have a vision going into it or are you just kind of experimenting and seeing
what you know what you create as it's happening or do you have a clear idea in mind when you go to
create something i have usually i have clear idea what i want to do because uh it's like you know
having a story in my head it could just be a few words it could be a sentence it could be a
paragraph in my head in a story a narrative and from there i build it very often it doesn't
come out right so i it just ends up on the drawing table or in a stack somewhere uh waiting to be
finished i've got lots of those um those that made it uh it's what you see and you know okay i don't
just stick to one medium uh for example what i'm sharing up here that is a photo manipulation piece
up with some digital painting and that one is about the um the tank man at the tenement square
massacre in 1989 and this is a story that's always been playing in my head because uh since 1989
the chinese company party has been uh censoring it so when was happening no one else in other cities
in china knew about it because the words never got out um but uh the world knew about it because um
the news people like cnn they were broadcasting it until they were shut down and the photos that we
saw uh got out um because they managed to smuggle it out and only five uh of them got got out so five
rows of films got out and uh yeah um so you know because they it's like two or three generations of
of uh mainland chinese has had their memories erased from this they don't know that it ever happened
until they go overseas they see us oh wait this what's this what what's this they don't understand
it you know so um i made that basically it's like you know when when you see something that's been
covered up for from anywhere anyone um any government any any companies when you look at it that's
something that's been covered up usually you see some cracks you don't know what it is can't quite put
your finger on it but something you know something is not right and so this is what i'm trying to
portray here with this um so uh you know i made i painted out the tanks and made it look like
some kind of green screen thing and because you know a panel like that cannot stand on its own
so i had like um a couple of green screen characters um you know they're there if you can see the green
outlines there but not quite there i'm holding them up and if you know a bit more about the the
politics of what's going on and reputational you probably have a laugh at what the outline is but
anyway yeah so it's always about storytelling for me so whether i'm drawing it when i'm taking
photograph of it whether i am manipulating um classic photos or classic paintings um you know it's all
about storytelling so um i even make fun of let's say movie posters or movie lines and all that i
haven't done it for a long time now but uh yeah that's what i used to do as well you know making
this parodies of it stuff like that so i don't know if that answers you
so but oh it does it definitely does i mean there's there's so much meaning behind this piece that you've
shared um you know i really appreciate you bringing that up it's pretty wild like we've talked about
art as you know starting a political movement or as saying something about the world and how
important that is and i think storytelling is like one of the key aspects of art whether you're
you know telling the story of an emotion that you've had or telling a story of like you know a
cultural phenomenon or a horrible thing that happened in a country i think it's really really
important to always be telling a story with your art uh even if that story is super simple
so this one is obviously very complex and i appreciate you sharing it today and definitely
everybody please go check that out thank you chunli um i do at this point i want to we are we're
going to wrap up the space pretty soon but i want to make a couple announcements about
stuff that's going on for me um the first thing being i'm going to pin a piece up right now i'm
actually giving away a one of one tomorrow and i'm really excited about this it was the first piece
of promotional art that i did for this drop that i've been working on for months and months and
months and just now waiting for the right time to happen which is going to happen later this summer
and i'm really excited about it um but even before that i'm going to be making an announcement
tomorrow about different drops that i'm doing and if you come into my spaces you've probably already
heard something about it i'm going to be doing some ordinals drops but i'm announcing it
officially tomorrow and then i'm also giving this piece away in a space that i'm doing with
borovic who is like the number one influencer in this space on nft inspect and say what you want
about him people have differing opinions but he is doing an art space and i love to see the biggest
influencers the biggest voices in the nft space you know lifting up artists and giving them a platform
so i definitely invite all of you to come tomorrow i'm going to be i'm not going to be coasting with
them because it's a sponsored space and they have a co-host but i am going to be kind of giving them
alpha on hopefully who to let up on stage and i would love you know some of people you guys who've
been supporting my spaces and i know we have so many amazing artists in here to come to that space
and come and share your story on stage we're going to be having a conversation about art
and highlighting artists and so i'm going to be giving this piece away during that space and i would
love for you guys to come and you know possibly win the piece but also just experience it and
support the space because i want you know what i want to happen is like when big influencers decide
that they want to do an art space i want the art space to go well i want them to you know have a
good reaction and have support for that because i think it's so important uh to highlight artists
and i just want it to go well so i'd love for you to come and support me and have this go well
and also possibly win this piece so that's really my announcement i'm also making that announcement
about my ordinals drop tomorrow so kind of two announcements in one but really appreciate
everybody for coming and at this point i want to ask dominic or keith or anybody else on stage if
anyone has closing words before we end the space uh first of all i'm so grateful to both of you guys
for co-hosting with me means the world to me you guys always have my back and always just are such
a good presence up on the stage and i really appreciate you so much keith thank you for inviting so
many people and supporting artists and collecting art in the space like we need to talk more about
that too next time because i know you've been supporting artists who are here and it means the
world to me like i want people who come to this space and show up for us to be supported and i just i
thank you so much for that and then dominic you always have the best takes on art and obviously an
extremely talented artist yourself and i'm honored to share the stage with you so if you guys have
anything to say any announcements to make you're welcome to do so no shelby i'm excited for your
space tomorrow i'll be there and yeah i'm just excited for that um what else was i going to say
excited for your art drop coming up you're doing a bitcoin thing and you got a lot of stuff going on
i'm just following it and just riding the wave with you so yeah i'll be at that space maybe i'll
get invited up we'll see what happens hell yeah i somehow missed what time the space is tomorrow what
time is it so the space tomorrow borovic host space is like every single day it's unclear exactly
what time it's going to be because he always he hosts these like eight hour spaces it's absolutely
wild but at some point it's going to transform into an art space i'll be sure to send you an
invite i will be tweeting out when i join the stage um and it transforms so just keep an eye out for
my tweets and you guys can stay informed on when i'm going to be up there and yeah um you know if i
find out any more info i'll definitely share it but i think it's always kind of played by ear he
doesn't even set reminders because he's just constantly doing it
okay if you just hit me up and i'll i'll be there to support you for sure
awesome thank you so much i also did uh pin up to the top my original space that i'm doing on friday
you know we did talk about ordinals in this space last week but i didn't want it to be all about the
market and all about the trends i did want to get back to the reason why we're here which is art and
our own processes and how much we love it uh but i do want to still be talking about the tech and
talking about the new things happening so that will be the space for that gonna invite some
ordinals artists who have done crazy things really excited including um somebody his name is tony
he was the artist for this project that was founded with zk shark and now they have like a 4.5 bitcoin
floor which is absolutely insane so obviously things are happening on ordinals and i think
you know we should all take some notice and check it out so yeah that will be on friday if you want
to set a reminder i would appreciate it very much so we have a lot going on this week if you
haven't noticed but it's very exciting um and i just thank all of you for being here with me today
i just appreciate it so much you guys are the true homies like the reason that i show up every day
is really for the people in this room right now so uh thank you and again if anybody has a topic idea
for this space if anybody you know wants to feature a certain thing please hit me up in the dms i'm
always open to new ideas uh you know we do have somewhat rotating co-hosts so if somebody has you
know somebody they think would be good on this space feel free to hit me up and yeah i just you
know i'm so grateful i just want to thank you all again so much for being with like here with me
every wednesday at this time i look forward to it every week you guys again are the reason why i stay
in this space this was a triumph i'm making a note here huge success it's hard to overstate my
satisfaction
we do what we must because we can
for the good of all of us except the ones who are dead
we do what we must be doing
