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Artz Friday - w @visceralglitch (Part 2)
Recorded: Dec. 5, 2025 Duration: 1:02:49Space Recording
Short Summary
In a vibrant discussion at Miami Week, artists and crypto enthusiasts explored the intersection of digital art and blockchain technology, highlighting partnerships, project launches, and the growing trend of augmented reality in the art space. The conversation underscored the importance of community, experimentation, and empathy in driving growth within the crypto ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you
back with just a little bit of the Twitter X which is usual
thank you for coming back after that rub let's We're back with just a little bit of a Twitter ex-glitch as usual.
Thank you for coming back after that, Rugg.
Let's set things up, refresh, let everybody get back in here, and maybe even play that
song again.
Petronio, what do you think?
Let people trickle back in? All right, we're just going to wait a minute for everybody to get back here.
I know how it can be.
It can throw us all off.
But this is Parts of Friday, Part 2, with our guests, this is of which I am currently sitting in the lobby at the Hotel Gates in Miami as part of Miami Week and Art Basel.
I've been tagging along with the Temple Crew, with Paper Buddha, and Mike Nash, and Geek Myth, and many other incredible human beings that I'm getting to know more and more and
It's just been so much fun
But as of right now, I'm just talking and letting you guys know what I've been up to until we get our guests back up on the show
Appreciate everybody being here make sure to retweet it especially after being rugged so people know that it's a different link
Thank you so much. Appreciate you, Scoony. Hello, Carmelo. Welcome.
Kendall, welcome. Najma.
People weren't even in the first space,
and maybe it works out in our favor. We'll see.
I'm going to mute for just a second,
pull a couple things up, and we'll get going. Thank you so much. Appreciate you, Vizzo Glitch, for being patient with us as we get you back up here. And welcome to the stage. Without further ado, let's let you get back to
what you were saying. You were at the point where you were talking about your schooling and education
and how that led into the arts and your first experiences, I believe. Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I changed my name to the Visso Glitch and kind of continued to make artwork,
make Glitch artwork and sort of build stuff.
But I didn't really see it as a,
I didn't consider myself an artist.
I consider it just design practice, but I wouldn't, like I had a lot of trouble sort of coming to all that stuff where it's like I didn't want to admit that I was an artist or I was a photographer or any of that stuff.
And I ran away so far away from it that I tried to even like have the Visceral Glitch as like a content studio for the music industry to kind of make stuff. And I did a few things with some bands and stuff, but like, I really, it fell apart and I needed to, I needed to focus on my art. And so
in 21, I decided to, I'd met someone who told me about NFTs and I heard about NFT NYC and I found
out about it like the day before and it was right after Halloween.
And I decided just to go and see how it went.
And that Halloween, so my family and I, like my wife and my daughter, we used to, when she was younger, we'd all dress similarly for Halloween.
And that year she wanted to go as goths.
And so I painted my nails black for it right and then the next day was nftnyc
and i decided to keep my nail polish and i introduced myself as a visceral glitch and at
that point i kind of became the visceral glitch out in public and it's right i don't know if you
know una do you guys know una she's a artist. Very impressive artist in this space. Yeah.
We have the same birthday.
She came out that weekend as well.
And I met her in a queue to get into this event.
She was like, oh, hey, come with us.
And I just got walked into a Mint Goldust event.
And we became friends. And then years later later we found out that like we had the same
we came out on the same day which is kind of cool um anyway and so I've been in this space uh since
then trying to like figure out like really sort of like owning and becoming an artist like it's
something that I didn't really plan on doing but But the more that I got into it, the more important it felt to do.
And the more I couldn't resist and fight it anymore.
And really, like, when I, you know, when I came to the, like, I've got some friends in New York.
And I've done some things.
And I knew some people in some communities but I discovered Paper Buddha through
a space a Tezo space and um then I went to like the first Blunts and Brunch not the first one but
the one in 22 and met him and then Temple and that's where I met like Mike Nash and Geek and Atabody and Disalter and
all these people. And I just, I felt like I'd come home. I was like, these are the most incredible
people I've ever met. And just has inspired me to keep in the space and creating and owning
my language and my art and being brave and putting myself out
there and realizing that I have a voice and that I need to create and that uh beautiful yeah and so
like it kind of inspired me to create my own community as well in New York and around the
world and um I host these digital art meetups uh once a month in New York because I don't there's
it's hard to find other glitch artists in the city so I was like let me create something for that
and I decided to also have open calls because it's like let's show some art let's talk about
art and show some art and it's for everybody I found like there was a lot of meetups in the city
but it was like oh it's only AI or it's only generative or it's only this but it's for everybody. I found like there was a lot of meetups in the city, but it was like, oh, it's only AI
or it's only generative or it's only this.
But it's like, well, I'm glitched
and I'm not being exclusive for mine.
And I want it sort of for everybody.
So I kind of make it for everybody.
It's digital art.
So yeah, that's kind of like, that's, you know,
and I've released a few collections on the way
and sold some and just like kept showing up.
And like, I can't stop making art.
And so it's like, I'm going to make it.
I want to sell it.
And I'm so grateful to be around people that inspire me to do that.
That is one of the great things about this space that is unique.
I mean, in the traditional art world, I feel like there's a lot of uh pushback
and like this hesitation to sell and like everybody wants to just feel like they're doing it
with passion and the initial phases especially during experimentation but that's what i love
about this space for sure is that the experimentation is still art and honestly some of the best art
and it absolutely needs to be put out there for people to discover it experience it be influenced by it be inspired to experiment themselves
and i gotta agree with you that that's what the temple seems to be very much about
my week since uh sunday night to today i've been basically with the same exact three you just
listed paper buddha out of body mike nash Myth, Laser Lu just showed up and joined us.
And we're all staying in an Airbnb together.
And it's really, absolutely a pretty magical vibe.
I'm not going to lie.
Everybody's got their own huge contributions.
And it's like, I've been talking to Paper Buddha a lot about it.
It's like y'all are a traveling act, a traveling circus, like a group of artists that are touring almost like a band would
yeah um and it means so much to me that i'm in the show tonight like it meant so much it really
did because it's like i'm not there and it's like i'm with them and it's great and um and what i
love about it is there's space for everybody and i think it's because we're on the fringes it's like, I'm not there. And it's like, I'm with him and it's great. And, and what I love about it
is there's space for everybody. And I think it's because we're on the fringes. It's like,
there's not, you know, I think that's the thing that I really like about glitch art communities
and this kind of stuff is that like, not everyone's trying to get in. So like, if you want to turn up
and be there, like you can be there. It's not a high barrier to entry. You can just like, if you
want to go, go. If you want to be it, be it. It's like, high barrier to entry. You can just like, if you want to go, go. If you
want to be it, be it. It's like, I'm also in the psychedelic communities in New York, and it's
kind of very akin. They're very similar. That, you know, it's like, it's kind of space for everybody.
And everyone's valid as an artist, you know, like they're making stuff and we respect everybody.
We love and respect everybody. Like you're making your craft and you're consistent with it and you're doing it because you love it.
You count.
And.
Amen.
And that's like, I absolutely, that's absolutely like the temple ethos.
That's Tezos ethos.
more and more we get out into the public spaces and be part of those satellite events and create
experiences for people to find that, that's all it's taking for us to take that next step into
adoption and really make us feel more real. Because obviously, we're all here, we feel it,
it all we got to do is give other people the opportunity to feel it yeah i mean to me like
all we got to do is give other people the opportunity to feel it.
this this movement so i was a music journalist before and i'd studied like music scenes and
stuff and to me this is akin to kind of like a musical scene to me it feels like that we're
like we're the artists and we're sort of bounding together and it has to me it has like the heart
of hippie right but hippie sort of missed some action it was all emotion and then you had punk which is
all action but not a lot of heart right and for me what we're doing here the digital art world
trash art glitch art cause all this stuff it's heart and soul like Like, it's action, but it's got heart in it.
There is space for my brothers and sisters, you know?
Like, it's... It's the trifecta.
Yeah!
Like, you know, it's like we're all there for each other.
And it's so hard to find that, you know, where it's like you can be with your brothers. And you feel that sort of like that connection where most people are sort of closed off or they're rigid.
I think because medicine choices, we're all very open and we all come in that together.
And that is incredible.
is incredible so i'm curious now that we've gotten to that part of this talking about how
it comes together and gets real like when did you decide with your glitch art that you were
going to start diving so heavily into the augmented reality part and the uh it's in the
activations of the art oh yeah well so i had no plans on selling my art. Like, I remember, you know, I'd been doing this for like a year and like I had gained a pretty decent following pretty quickly on like Instagram, like a few thousand, like pretty quick.
And she was like, my wife's like, you should sell this. I was like, I can't sell this. How am I going to sell this? I have no idea.
These are like videos and they're stills. It's digital. i'm gonna do i'm gonna sell it i was so afraid of it i didn't know how to do it and um somebody had told me about art
of vibe like i've heard about augmented reality before and i thought it was really complicated
and i was on a chat i was chatting with a friend of mine,
and he told me about Art of Vive,
and he showed me what he did.
He was like, oh, here's, I just activated this.
And I was like, oh, God, how'd you make the animation?
He was like, I used After Effects.
I was like, what?
He was like, and he just showed me that how Art of Vive works
is that it's drop and drag, right?
So having that, and it's also location,
it's not location-based,
where a lot of AR is a geotrack.
So it's, if you're in a location, you can get it,
but then when you leave it, you lose it.
And so anyway, I looked into Art of Vive and it worked.
And I had my first show in June of 22,
and that's when I was like, all right,
I'm going to see how this works.
And I made up some canvases, and I put still image on it,
and I made it work with the AR.
And I was like, oh, this is really cool.
So at that point, that was my tipping point.
So now I have postcards that I sell, um,
that are, I've got like 40 of them. And by the way, right, I'm running a special. If you buy
a postcard from me, I will send you one for free on the house, right? Go to my website,
visceralglitch.com. Look at the postcards. There's some very cool ones there. Uh, pick one up and
you'll get one on the house it's christmas take note guys
when you come up on the space please let us know how we can support you that's one of the parts
definitely we want to hear what you have for sale absolutely thank you for that i just want to let
you know lex uh we will have you come up towards the end and it's you know just because i want to
keep the traditional space format but thank you so much for being here.
And we're happy to chat with you here in a bit, OK?
Cool.
Yeah.
So and thanks for I mean, I'm always kind of shy about telling what I have stuff for sale.
But I kind of like force myself to do it because people want to know.
Anyway, so when I realized that like I could have augmented reality, that changed everything for me. Like it changed like my whole way of
exploring what I was looking at, how I was doing, presenting myself. I felt like at that point,
I became a little bit of a showman and kind of Willy Wonka kind of way. Um, and I kind of
really liked that of the visceral glitch and kind of like it became the mysterious character. Um, and I even, I was talking about this the other day,
but do you know the like 12 brand archetypes?
No, I don't actually.
Okay. This is really handy. Like it's, uh,
it's like a website and there's like 12 brand archetypes and every brand that
you can think of fits into one of those brands. And there's like,
can think of fits into one of those brands. And there's like, it's like the rebel, the sage,
carrying, like there's a bunch of them. And I realized that I was the magician,
because you see this still image, this postcard or a t shirt or whatever, in front of you. But
actually, you need your phone to activate it.
And I actually like how that forces presence with people because like, look, I love screens
are awesome.
I show on screens all the time, but you know, it's there and it's out of the corner of your
eye, right?
You can see it before you see it.
But with AR, with it on your phone, you have to activate it.
So there's a brief moment where you don't know what's going to happen.
Like you don't know, you're looking at a screen, what is it?
And then suddenly something pops up and it's one of my glitches, right?
And you're like, oh my God, right?
And it throws you.
And I love that it forces that presence because you can't ignore it.
You can't ignore it.
If you turn away, you've lost it, right?
If you turn away, you've lost it.
Right.
And so I feel like in an age where like we're easily distracted, where we need at least five things going on at the same time, the augmented reality like pulls your focus in.
And it's also your own experience.
Everyone's experiencing a little bit differently.
You know, you need your own device.
It becomes kind of a personal connection with it. and so like looking at it through your own lens yeah and that's
actually one of the things i wanted to mention just to kind of shout out the uh the app that
you're using i tried it this morning as i was writing the gym thread for um the piece you are
loved uh-huh um so i definitely would like to kind of segue and ask a little bit about that piece
and also let everybody know that
this really is a very cool
Artivive Arti5
it's a
great app and I really was very impressed
with how it just worked and didn't ask
for any crazy permissions
or geolocation and it just
let me check out the artwork
how I wanted to just simply by pulling
up my camera that was really nice yeah they're great I was an ambassador for them for a few years
and um I actually I actually had uh drinks with the um the founder a couple weeks ago New York
is in New York and um I was kind of like I I really love your app. It's awesome. It's really
great to talk to him about it. But yeah, I just find like, and I don't think that people use it
enough. Like I'm always like last year often and uh we had a thing around this club
where i had these icons and each icon was tracked to a piece so it's like you click the icon and get
a piece you'd like see it oh that's quite know what it was like um like uh the solters one
was like this was like uh a gas pump and then when you clicked on it you got the ar activation
was his piece which was like uh like the frog driving kind of crazy peppy driving crazy
and like mine was like it was like a icon of like someone falling so that's like glitching and then
i put like one of mine up so i think that it can be used in such a really fun creative way
but i think that it's also something that i'm noticing it took a while for people to figure
out it's kind of an intimidating tech, you know, augmented reality.
But I do find even here being in Miami, looking at a lot more physical art for a change that
it's being utilized for that too.
Yeah.
I mean, there's so many options for it.
You know, it's like, you know, I'm just going to use someone like DeSolter as an example,
right?
I love his artwork.
And it's like, they're these digitals, but i want to see them as physical as well and i feel like i want him to make those individual pieces you know i want everyone to do that might nash
and paper buddha and all of them like i think it would look so cool like i think it would be very
special i agree and sorry i want to emphasize what you're saying. Absolutely. As I struggle with it here of reverse engineered physical version or installation like we see from sim hop
you know like there's some incredible stuff that we're just like just now breaking into
yeah it's ads man it's tough to sell art so it's like i'm looking for as many avenues as possible
like when i first got into this it was like okay if i'm gonna sell it like how am i gonna sell it
and people like oh don't do nfts or this, don't do that. It's
like, I don't, you know what, like right now I don't want limiting options. I want ands.
I want ands. And so it's like, I have physical pieces and digital pieces and I go out and I
sell physical pieces and sometimes I sell digital pieces, you know? So it's like, it works. It just
gives you more options. It just gives you options, you know? it's like it works it just gives you more
options it just gives you options you know and I think that we do still live in a physical world
and people like physical things you know absolutely um there's an artist in here that has a it's like
a tape deck but made into a physical painting and when you scan the painting it pulls up an actual
playlist from spotify you know like crazy crazy stuff like that like we all gotta take note and
just keep pushing the innovation and that's why i was excited to have you on the space because
you're one of the people absolutely doing that and um so i appreciate you explaining that and
talking about how easy it can be
and uh if you want i would love to hear more about the process how do you activate
hardware what's that like oh i mean it's like it's you know so okay so i make the the piece
comes first right so i mean i'll talk you through my process. So, like, I walk around New York or wherever I am,
and I just, like, whatever I see captures, catches my eye,
I'll take a photograph of, you know?
And I don't, I'm a street photographer.
I don't set anything up.
I don't move things ever, like, as they are is as they are,
like as they are is as they are, whatever an eye has caught. And then either if I'm going into the
whatever an eye has caught.
city, I used to do it like always going to the city every day, but I don't anymore. But like,
if I'm going to the city, I'll have like a big smoke and get on the train and make a clip or
I'm at home and I'll have a smoke. And I look through, I find the photo that I want that sort
of calls out to me and then
so i i'm a phone artist um and then i'll run it through i've got like nine apps that i use
and i'll start weaving it through and the piece will start telling me what it wants to be and
how it wants to shape and what it wants to do like it's not like i don't have a she usually
have like a huge idea like oh okay i'm gonna make oh, okay, I'm going to make a piece about this
or I'm going to make a piece about that, right?
It's like whatever I find
and whatever sort of comes up,
I allow it to surface and be.
So that's like, for instance,
a really big piece of mine
is called Men Working on Healing.
And that started off,
I was just picking my daughter up from school one day. And there was
a street sign that said men working and someone had written on healing. And I was like, Oh,
that's great. That's really interesting. I'm gonna make a piece out of that. And I did.
And I actually debuted it in Miami two years ago. And it got a lot of really strong reactions. Like it brought
a lot of men to tears. I did get tell someone tell me that he asked how much it was. And I
told him on what it was. He said, I'd rather spend it on cocaine and hookers and hotel rooms. And I
was like, well, this piece is probably not for you then. Maybe not for you.
And then I made a T-shirt out of it.
He wasn't ready to work on healing.
He wasn't there yet.
And I was like, why are you telling me this, man?
What are you going to do?
Anyway, I actually think it is like, it's great.
You can't break me.
break me like you don't get to dictate me so I kind of I felt very empowered by him saying that
Like, you don't get to dictate me.
So I kind of, I felt very empowered by him saying that.
um and the physical piece was actually bought by a woman um someone who I know kind of through
the psychedelic community and she hates men and has a lot of problems with men because men have
done a lot of harm to the world it It's true. And she realized after seeing my piece
that the men are fucked up as well, that they need to heal. And until we heal, nothing's going
to get fixed. So it was a reminder for that. And I was like, whoa, I had no idea because I just like saw it on the street took a picture of
it right and made something out of it and then it emerged into this other beast which is incredible
and I really love that it like starts these conversations with people and inspires people
and it questions things and it turns things upside down and it's like wow I got to do that that's
pretty I like that you know within within
the nature of that i want to offer an extra sentiment because it really inspires me to hear
that and that's that like that's another reason that we're so like in my eyes obligated to continue
pushing art out there it's like we need to give those men as much as anyone else the opportunity to stumble upon healing things
when they're ready yeah and if we give up it's just gonna be a bunch of divisive nonsense on
the internet you know right like that space is getting taken up right so it's like there's
always space so it's almost like in the charts or whatever like yes there's always going to be
chart music most of it's bad but like sometimes when the good band gets in you're like in the charts or whatever like yes there's always going to be chart music most of
it's bad but like sometimes when the good band gets in you're like wow the good people got in
like that space is being used anyway right but maybe it's for like something more beneficial
as opposed to like something more harmful um but yeah my art is interesting how it kind of reveals
itself in a way that like my name revealed itself to me like like I said
earlier my name just sort of like slammed into my head and I was like that's it and it took me a
while to actually understand what it meant um and it it means a shift in emotion because um visceral
is like your gut emotions and glitch which is actually a yiddish word. And I'm not Jewish. I'm not Jewish, right?
And I'm not like close. And it's funny that it's a Yiddish word and it means slip or slide.
And I really like that concept of like slipping your emotional state, you know,
shifting emotion. And I realized like, that's kind of what I'm doing with my art.
And so it's like, I got my name, but i didn't understand what it meant for a while and then
when i did i understood it even more and like it's a also like a very balanced name because
it's emotion and action it's masculine and feminine it has a lot of those elements to it
um i actually was going to talk to you about that with the whole concept of psychedelics in glitch and how like what glitch art to me is, is a physical, visual manufactured representation of what the glitch feels like when you're experiencing it in the mind.
Right.
So like that's actually really interesting that that's the origin of the word.
And even more so within astronomy you just
made me look this up it's a sudden change in the period of rotation of a neutron star
so if you want to talk about revolution there's something there yeah it's the slipping and
sliding and that's what you know and and that's what i'm doing in my art i'm taking a photograph
and i'm slipping and sliding the pixels,
large chunks of it, and to create something different.
But it's all slipping and sliding.
And that kind of reveals different things.
It kind of reveals these different shapes.
And it, yeah, I feel like there's this kind of movement and this kind of reshaping of the world.
And I think, for me, the world feels at points can be like a dark, messy place.
And I think for me to glitch it up helps me make sense of it.
Like, oh, it can be shifted. It can be changed.
It doesn't have to be this certain way.
It can be other options.
It goes along with that whole blue pill, red pill, you know, breaking through the matrix.
There's a lot of versions of this
which is one of the more
unique movements
installations
of it.
Yeah, and it's
fun. It feels cheeky. And I feel that way
about trash art. Trash art to me feels really
cheeky and funny
that I would do that. In fact,
I had a piece recently and I was, a friend of mine lives in Long Island. His parents lived there.
I was out there for an event and his neighbor had
four pink toters outside of their house.
And I was like, yes, I have to glitch those up.
And I actually, I finally glitched it.
I put it out recently.
And yeah, it's kind of funny because it's like,
who makes trash into art?
But I love that sense of it.
And you're not supposed to do it.
And I had like healing frequencies as well,
because I'd see it as a transformative process
I see it as a healing process
I actually noticed that
I feel like I accidentally
picked the right pieces for the gym thread
this week because you kind of accidentally
segway into the first one with the AR
and now I would love to talk about
the second one in the gym thread which is the dumpster
in Jacksonville because that's
a very similar concept yeah well that that i actually uh added bodies there for the for that shoe
i um so my uh wife's friends live in orlando half the year and uh we were down there visiting them. And then my wife and I decided to, we took a little road trip.
And we went to Jacksonville.
We went to someone else.
And we saw Atabadi and Denisey there.
And we were walking around.
And I saw an orange dumpster.
And I was like, wow, orange dumpster.
Cool.
I got to do something with that.
So I shot the dumpster.
And do you know, I've got a friend of mine uh
i don't know that pinball guy do you know that pinball guy
i don't know pinball no okay um i mean that's his name is that pinball guy
anyway that's his name anyway Anyway, he lives in Serbia.
And we've done a few collaborations.
And he does pixel art stuff.
And so we decided to do a collaboration on the dumpster in Jacksonville.
So I did the glitching of it.
And he made it into the, he pixelated it.
And then I added all the glitch and the sound to it.
That's awesome.
So when it comes to the actual glitching, what I want to know,
was it intentional that y'all made the dumpster look like it's a face talking to you?
No. Because that's what i saw yeah yeah and everyone sees
different and it's open to interpretation so what's actually really important for me with
my glitches is that there's space to think about it in the sense that like there's space for you
to think that there's a face there it's not like some glitch artists like it's 100 noise and which is fine like that's everyone's got a different style but
for me i don't like that i kind of want a hero image i want something to focus on um and so my
glitches have heroes that have like hero images even if it's like a building or a dumpster whatever
like there's some sort of hero image and then I will usually take that and reshape that into something else by using the glitch program.
Like how glitch works is that I can rotate the image like 90 degrees.
And there's one, what do you call it, thing in there option to glitch it.
And like it will move like huge blocks of pixels all over the place.
Right. And by doing that and sort of changing the rotation of it,
you can push the ceiling into the floor and the right into the left.
And you get these kind of really interesting shapes.
And then i add some
other stuff to it and then you know like i i actually do a little bit of i really like collage
and so you know i i'm not like mine's kind of like paper but is like more traditional his stuff
likes more looks traditional collage mine is sort of more digital clause where it's like I'm kind of adding a few layers on stuff together that kind of fit together.
I relate to that fully.
That's how I make a lot of my visuals.
Yeah.
And so I, yeah, I'll just kind of like construct it in there.
And then I bring into another program that adds movement.
And so because I'm an animator as well, I think about like third and fourth degree animation.
And so when I'm making my glitches,
I think about third and fourth degree glitches.
So there's like, there's not just one set of glitches
that are happening in each piece, it's multiples.
There's like usually four or five glitch elements running
because I'm running it through different programs.
So it's like, sometimes there's small little pieces glitching sometimes there's big pieces glitching I like to have movement in
them because um the al a part of it I went into movement because the algorithm favored
motion like when I started on Instagram I was getting getting like, I don't know, like a few hundred views for my pieces.
And then one weekend it changed and went to like zero.
And I was like, what?
Like what?
What happened?
What did I do wrong?
And it was like it was July 4th and I had done a glitch with like Bruce Springsteen.
Right.
And I was like, how is it?
And like then like the next day I did like Bob Ross and he got like, right? And I was like, how is it? And like, then like the next day I did like Bob Ross
and it got like no views.
And I was like, this is weird.
And I looked up and it said,
oh, the algorithm is now favoring motion
instead of stills.
And I was like, all right.
And so I went to go figure out how to make motion
without going into After Effects.
Like I didn't want to be tied to my desk.
Like that's the whole point of this exercise
is to not be tied to a desk because then it becomes like client work and i've done a
few pieces in after effects if it's like really like the piece i did for um the mexico residency
that that needed special work that's in there um the piece, actually the piece that I'm doing for the digital art salon,
I did a finishing of that in After Effects, so I needed to do some specific things in it.
But mostly my work is all on the phone. And I like it like that, because I like being portable
with my studio. I love that I can just like, like during NFT NYC, the soldier was like,
do you have a horizontal piece? And I was like, for tonight, I was like, I don't, but I can make one.
And I just like sat in the middle of downtown, like in the middle of Times Square, like making a piece for that, that had to go out because like I could do that.
I love how portable it is.
But yeah, so that's kind of like, but it's also gives me restrictions on my art because like in after effects i would
keep like iterating it and i wouldn't be done and so the point of this was to kind of do things
finish them and it's part of a daily and if it's on your phone you're restricted and there's only
like there's only so many things you can do to make this piece work and once you've done them
you've done them you can't i don't really go back to pieces like once they're done they're done i i relate to that it's really hard to go back and
change something after you finally decided it's done it's so hard to find that finally
decide something's done that's what you were just elaborating you know and go ahead
no it's just i was just having this conversation with so many artists, and I wanted you to kind of like emphasize the dailies and how that benefited you, because I do think that's something that's really working for a lot of artists in the space to decide when something's done.
Yeah, well, I have a process of what I go through.
So it's like what I like about my process on my phone is that it's like I hit this app and this app and this app and this app and I do the certain things and I do it in that order.
Right. And once you leave one app and you go to the next app and then you go to a third and you you can't change what you did in the first app.
You're stuck with everything. It's a's the destructive process right so it kind of makes
you just like make choices right like i'm gonna do that i'm gonna do that right and restrictions
help that flow um i thought about um when the white stripes used to record records um they always had
restrictions on what they did on how they would make their record to kind of make
sure that they would come out in a good amount of time and hit all these marks and stuff. And I was
like, okay, I really want to include that in my practice. So in a way, the phone helps me do that.
If it was an after effects, I'd be like, well, I have to sit at my desk now, but I'll check my
email and I'll do this other thing. And I can always edit later on. And it
becomes a whole bunch of excuses, right? But when you're just on your phone and you removed a lot
of stuff, like you're just there. So it's like, it helps me focus in more. And it's like, there's
not that many options I have, but what blows my mind is that after eight years, nearly eight
years, like I'm still able to make pieces
like on a daily basis where I'm like, holy shit, I made that. Oh my God. I thought I was done. I
thought I couldn't make any more. Oh wait, I just did another one. Okay. Yeah. Like I just did one
a few weeks, like last week and I saw a puzzle piece on the pavement, this bright blue puzzle
piece. And I was like, wow, I just want to like jump through it.
And I took a picture of it.
And then like, I think maybe like the same night or something,
my daughter wanted to watch the Truman Show.
And we watched the Truman Show.
And at the very end, I bust on my camera and I started taking pictures of him walking up the wall
at the very end.
And then that night I was making my glitch
and I was like, oh oh i kind of want the
puzzle that oh the puzzle piece on truman show want to go to okay they want to go together great
they want to go together and so they just kind of happened and so it's this kind of very um
it's a very organic process it's very organic process where i try and tap in
to a flow state to kind of allow things.
You can tell.
And one of the pieces that really I liked a lot was the reclamation.
And so I wanted to ask you as well, because there's a whole other element that we haven't even talked about yet.
And that's that sometimes you incorporate audio.
incorporate uh audio uh so for instance with reclamation i noticed that you put uh thought
into even the hertz of the sound that we were listening to so if you wanted to talk more about
that oh yeah um i am a big sound person i came from music and um i sort of got into self-regio
frequencies a few years ago and i like the concept of working with and adding it to trash art.
And then we haven't really talked about it,
but have you seen like my illustrated work that I've kind of been doing for
like the past year?
Have you been minting it on Tezos?
I have not been minting it on Tezos.
I've probably overlooked it and that's my fault.
No, no, no, no.
I'd love to look at it.
There's a lot of stuff.
So last February, I started drawing for the kind of first time.
It was like a lot of generational trauma for me to get over.
And it was actually on the trip that I saw Atabody,
and we did Dumb Journey in Jacksonville.
It was like at that point that I started drawing,
not related. And I got, I was doing these kind of abstract drawings that were sort of based on like
circuitry and mycelium network. And I kind of ended up with, and like I was using black paper
and gold pens.
And then I started using colors and I was thinking about the intentionality of colors.
And I sort of ended up with chakra colors.
And then I started drawing chakras, symbols, connecting.
And I thought as I'm doing that, I want the frequencies to really relate to that more.
And so I had some, but I had this idea of using ChatGPT for sound,
which I hadn't done before because I was like, I want to feed it a recipe.
I want to see, could it make sounds?
And ChatGPT can't really make sounds.
can't chat gpt can't really make sounds it can't do like wind or a dog barking or a car or anything
like that but it can do tones right and it can do like it can do whatever tones you want it to
so i gave it a recipe for like different tones of like so for instance like my piece for uh
mexico city is called the glitches at patotec
and it's about uh destruction and rebirth within the self and i put like i fed fed that into chat
tpt and i was like i want it to hit you know it's like i want it to be about like grounding but also
rebirth and all these things and it just gave me a file of sounds and we worked a little bit with it
like oh do you want it more soothing or harsher or digital but like it gave me like a cocktail of
sounds i was like this is that's really that's really cool to hear because um actually i had
the same thought and tried something similar to tpp and i had it was the first experience where
it essentially just straight up lied to me and told me it was going to do something that seemed
unreal like cool that it could do and like to come back later have you had that happen what did you
what did you tell it to do and how did it lie i would have to go back into the history and really
remember exactly how it went down.
But I remember that I wanted it to, I wanted to see if it could make music, right?
And so I came up with this request.
And instead of being honest, apparently like it was with you, it went on this hallucination where it thought that I could literally just go away and it was going to be doing this project, immaculate projects for me in the background.
And finally two days goes by and I would go to that chat and I'm like,
are you doing anything?
And he says,
you're right.
You called,
you caught me.
And it started explaining why it couldn't actually do the things that said
it would.
Well,
I think that we all have to remember right with chat tpt and all things they are yes people
right absolutely true should i go play in traffic and wear a dumpster on my head yes
that's a great idea would you like to buy one yeah it does have that extra level of bias that
you kind of have to train out of it but no i just wanted to share that story because it was i think that's hilarious oh you got it
all right no you got me oh yeah i got it i figured out how to how to train the hallucination out of
it on that one yeah well you know it's a process it's a process but uh yeah i really love playing
with the sound elements and then um i have all these sound effects from my motion design days that I just put on my phone.
And so they're all like these kind of random, like, I have sound catalog libraries of just like glitching sound effects and all these other things.
things but they're all like one to two three seconds long so they don't fit so what i do
But they're all like one to two, three seconds long.
So they don't fit.
is that i have an editing program uh that i use to piece everything together and i'm able to time
stretch stuff so it's like i'll take a clip that's like two seconds and then it'll be 10 right but
it's like usually obviously you wouldn't do that with like a song or anything else but like
it's a glitched up sound anyway it's like no one's gonna go that's so cool so you're just further glitching the sound and like lowering the frequencies in a way yeah no
one's gonna go hey wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute that glitchy sounds a little bit
stretched out don't you think it's within the nature of how the music is created so it works
yeah definitely we have that piece pinned in the gym.
If anybody wants to check it out, it's a really cool piece that, to me, it spoke of revolution
and how we, at the right frequencies and in the right place, can be as powerful as the sun.
It's really this kind of very deep moment looking into that piece, I'd say.
Yeah, I really like that piece it's like it was to kind
of feel like the um the the hopefulness you know it's like I know I do glitch and that's kind of
dark but I actually see my work as really fun and playful I don't see it as dark and brooding
like I know that sounds are really intense there's a lot of stuff with it but i actually see it as really fun and it's meant to be really cheeky and uplifting
and motivational and so i'm always kind of thinking about that kind of stuff when i write
when i'm creating stuff i try i think that's absolutely it's what defines somebody that uh
has empathy and cares about how people receive what they're
creating versus somebody that's genuinely just creating for themselves one isn't right or wrong
but i can tell you which one creates a career and sells yeah i because it's like stuff to talk about
and like i've got some pieces that are really funny I've got I've got a few political pieces as well like I don't usually
do political pieces because that's
not the conversations I want
to have about my art
because like I mean I'm political
but in my art I kind of like I kind
of stay away a little from that because it's really
polarizing and I don't want
to but yeah no I've
got like funny some funny pieces I've got a
whole series of dogs that aren't
dogs stand up on shed and they're not dogs and they're barking and they're not the dogs barking
because they're stuffed animals and they look like dogs but they're not even a dog because it's a
photo of a dog i love it some inception going on within the layers. Right? It's meant to be funny.
It's meant to make you laugh.
Because my name means a shift in emotion, right?
So I want you to laugh.
But if you cry, I've also shifted your emotion.
Right.
So any shift in emotion really is kind of a goal of art in a lot of ways.
Yeah. shift in emotion really is kind of a goal of art in a lot of ways yeah i would say that your name
absolutely has a very powerful like sentiment and meaning behind it and i appreciate you explaining
it in so much detail uh really actually i wish more artists would like would really dive into
their name and like in the name meaning of it it's actually something that happens uh this week during our
trip here in miami we ended up at this place called the artist house and every artist there
had like studied their name and what it means it was cool yeah yeah i mean all of those guys like
i've spoken to everyone about their name origins and i love it you know and i love my name my name
so funny like and this is how funny my
name is right it's it's my father-in-law's initials as well they're VG the name oh that's
awesome for me I love it it's hilarious and I really love it and really gets people and I'm so
grateful to have that connection with her there's a spirit, like there's like the visceral spirit and like,
I feel like her with me.
And I sort of love having that connection and owning that name.
It's great.
I'm so,
I'm so grateful for it.
Well,
we're grateful for you and we appreciate you coming up to the space today and
sharing your experiences.
I do want to open up the stage now,
if you're okay with people that might want to have, might have questions for you. Yeah, sure.
Okay. If anybody has any questions for the Visceral Glitch, we'd love to have you come up
here now. Just a reminder that the last Friday of every space, we do a community call and that's
where you're welcome to come share anything that you've been building or creating on Tezos.
And it's also where we get to meet a lot of people that we eventually have on the show.
So thank you so much for tuning in today, guys. And if you have any questions for this
photo glitch, you're welcome to come up. While we're waiting on requests, just a shout out real
quick. Thank you so much for tuning in Xero, Unbound, Retro Manny, Lex, Blang, Spindle,
Tezos Event Calendar, CC, Professor Nola, LaChicaBoo, and Ermas.
Thank you so much. Make sure to share the space. They are recorded so even when people miss them,
they can come and check out the vibes and learn more about artists in the space. That's really
what this is about is letting everybody have a unfiltered opportunity to express themselves.
And on that note, shout out retro. I'm excited that you get to have that AMA
later with WISE. That's going to be awesome. Visceral, if you would like to keep sharing
anything about you for a moment and just give people a moment to trickle in. And if not,
we'll close up here in a bit with a song. Yeah. No, I just wanted to say thank you so much for
having me up in the space. It was such a joy to talk about it with you.
And thanks for all the questions.
And I wish I was with you guys at the moment, but I know you're going to have an awesome time tonight.
Thank you so much for having me up.
I'm really grateful for it.
And yeah, does anybody have any questions or anything or thoughts?
Yeah, we got Lex coming up here right now.
Welcome up.
How are you doing today?
Hey.
A bit of a delay, but
yeah, man.
Just really enjoyed that.
Really enjoyed that conversation.
Wish we could go for another hour.
Just learning a lot about the whole entity, right?
In Visceral Gallery, I've really dived into that.
Just seeing everything you guys have done.
Going way back links and stuff.
And it's such a dope collective.
And I definitely want to visit you guys out in Brooklyn and New York and stuff. And it's such a dope collective. And I definitely want to visit you guys out in
Brooklyn and New York and stuff like that. And I love the connection with Miami. I'm here in
Art Week right now. And just had to run in here between buildings to try to get away from the
noise. But I really enjoyed the conversation. I love that there was a whole entire AR aspect of it, right?
I've been an activist for going on maybe six years now,
you know, on all the platforms,
all except ArtVibe, funny enough.
And that's the one you guys were talking about.
But I definitely love everything
that you guys are doing there.
I love everything that you're doing, man.
And the way you incorporate all the different styles of glitch and of everything else that i see and it's just a
really good authentic look overall i mean everybody has an open call these days but it just seems like
the way it's curated and everything the way it's you know support the tesla's community as well i
think other platforms as well and chains but um but yeah man just wanted to give you you
know just want to give you your your your glitch flowers and tell you i really like uh the way you
go about it the way you move you know in your entire collective and um definitely anything when
it comes to miami let me know um i definitely had your piece up at the futurist at the hard rock
on at the penthouse of the hard rock cafe for a blockchain conference.
And that looked dope. It was on some hologram. I got to definitely get you some pictures of that.
But yeah, and I'm just going to take two seconds and let anybody who's down here in South Florida and Miami, if you want to come to NFT.Miami, just hit me up on DM.
I'll put you, you know, I'll have a whatever, get you inside.
And there's a lot of other stuff going on at the Gates Hotel. But yeah, it's what we're doing
today. It's what we're doing this week, actually. You guys are fucking feeling it there. Thank you
so much. And I'll be back next year. I guess it's hard to stay away this year. I'll be back. Thank
you so much. And you got plans to come to New York and let us know who's coming to NFT NYC.
Absolutely, man. I'm going to wait until the weather gets a little bit more fair and definitely head out there.
Because I think that's definitely I want to activate some stuff there, too.
Yeah, I need to do it. And I also want on that note, I want to see more AR from all of us, you know, whether it's whether it's geofence or whether it's just, you know, offer QR code.
I want all of us to exercise that that medium because it's really it's bringing it's bringing it forward to a different medium and different avenue where other people might, you know, might feel different type of
way than if they're just seeing a 3D or 2D. Now we're bringing it to them in a different form.
So that's what I just want to say about that. No, I totally agree.
I can get, oh, sorry, go on. No, I was just absolutely going to agree that the more we can
get these AR activation installations and stuff like that into the real world, like we were saying earlier,
it's just one more opportunity for that person
that's going to be moved in that way to experience it.
So actually, while you're here, Lex,
I still really hope I get to link up with you.
I have some thoughts as far as both as an artist
and with Pezzo's comments
about how I can pay more attention to the AR scene.
It's something that I haven't fully tapped into.
If anyone, like, I can get, I used to be an ambassador for Art of Vive.
It's shocking.
I can still get some deals and stuff.
So if anybody wants to try it out, feel hit me up dme and um i can get you
connected um if you want a tutorial of how to use it i think like i think it adds huge sellability
to your artwork if you're a digital artist like you're able you know you're able to sell stuff
for good prices like i sell my postcards to people on the street who have never heard of
augmented reality glitch art and they are wowed by it.
So everyone can like, and you can use Moo.com.
They're not expensive.
Do a test run.
See how you do.
Like, it's not that much to do like 20 of them.
See if you sell them.
If you sell them, do more.
You know, test.
And then when people start realizing that now as they produce their art, within the layers that they're doing, now they can add behaviors to that AR.
When they come closer, does it spin?
Does a sound come out?
Is there an AI component where it's going to ask you a question straight to your phone from that art?
And those are the elementary blocks that we can all evolve our our art, you know, into Web3 and beyond.
But, man, I appreciate I got to get back in. Great show. I'm going to definitely hear this a little bit later and rewind.
Awesome. We really appreciate you coming up. Thanks so much. Go ahead, Visceral.
Yeah. Thanks so much. And I appreciate it. And get lots of photos tonight and missing everybody.
and um uh missing everybody but we're gonna i feel part of it and this was actually really
nice day and uh yeah have a have a glitch-tastic time and uh yeah it looks awesome i'm so proud
of everyone and so happy for everybody i did get a stitched together video of a bunch of
yesterday's happenings that i'll be posting on the tezos talk which is the tezos commons tiktok that i've been starting posting more content to
i'll also put it here on the x uh handle with tezos commons and um really getting as much
possible footage as i can so you guys can at least feel like you got to experience what happens
i love it i love it i love it keep doing it. I'm so happy for everybody. I'm so proud of
everybody. Well, guys, again, this has been another Artsy Friday with the Viscera Glitch.
And again, if you enjoyed the space, make sure to share it. They're recorded for up to a month,
and we'll try to grab the recordings whenever we can. And it's been a very fun one. Appreciate
you coming up, Lex.
Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.
I am going to get back to setting up this show with the temple,
and it's going to be a very fun night.
If anybody, you know, stay tuned,
and we'll share everything we can with it.
But as far as the space goes,
we're about to close out with a song.
This is one of the pieces from the Ziggurats collection actually.
We're just gonna jam it out and then close out. But thank you guys again so
much for tuning in and we'll see you next time.
Yeah! Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's go. Check.
Yo, I'm the Steve Jobs of the underdogs. Drop jobs with the one more thing in the monologue.
Keep from guessing what the reasons are.
I don't got a chain of Mac stores.
I already got genius bars.
Turn to hobby and the people all up in the lobby.
Not Illuminati, this is neoliterati.
With an army here behind me, kid, don't even try me.
At them bombing anybody, word of Ben and Bobby
Let the smoke blow, get the Bruce feeling
Debut a new villain like Ren and Doom chilling
My shoes are too winning for you to cruise in them
Timeless cool like blue denim, I'm losing them
And these are just the blows that I was saving
Ever since the days of Pac-Man and after Dazin
I've been paying my ways for them to make a basic conversation
The only Asian raising hell from here to Copenhagen
Okay, I'm havin' all the math in Japanese
Get it, the flow is tight like I got vascular disease
Magically, take it where in fact it has to be
I've been mappin' out the future while your ass is catchin' Z's
You are now vibin' with my chinoda
Nice, very special
That's a very special moment
I love it What the hell is going on? Wow! Yeah! With Mike Shinoda. Nice. That's a very special moment.
I love it.
What the hell is going on?
Yeah.
It all started after college.
Rockin' shell toes like my favorite group from Hollis.
Manifest the future, let the universe allow it.
Keys like palate, I'm just giving you the knowledge.
Damn, Janet, I got him in control.
If you like this, then you gotta see the show.
I'm the chef's choice, I'm the sour with the flow.
You can trust me to sing a California roll.
Set menu, it's a special occasion.
Base pulsating to the pupil dilation.
Clickbait journalists, steady spectating.
Waiting for the moment they can twist the translation.
I don't have a lane to stay in.
Associating great women and great men.
Never make time for fake friends snakes never change
they just shed their snake skin i don't have a lane to stay in associate with great women and
great men never make time for fake friends snakes never change they just shed their snake skin
let's go y'all.
Yeah, look how they're acting.
Might as well ask somebody to smack them. I don't need that, I sit in the back end Hide, I'm a king like Richard Backman
Me full, don't hold your breath I can keep my mouth closed and they show
respect I'm a favorite of the fans like Boba Fett
Case closed, and ain't even over yet Cause yeah, I'm like babies and no chain
I'm a Rye Wyler You don't face me, there's no saving you, not nada.
Raw baby, the Scorsese, the Godfather, the Chris Nolan, the Dark Knight of the Rock Rhymers.
Calling you bluff, had it enough, you're talking, but have to eventually be backing it up.
Half will be backing your trailer, they'll be packing your stuff.
You bastards are actually at cause they're going to wrap you up. Oh, no, okay, you don't say.
I rewrote the code that's controlling the whole game.
Wanna start shit dissing me?
No way.
My triangle button's been missing.
I don't play.
So you can put it in sleep mode.
Synonymous rhyming like Konami and cheat codes.
Kathy Bates, misery, or defeat foes.
And do them without ever changing out of my street clothes.
