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Beself Brands changing the game w @BeToken_io Coffee w/ Captain #1,073
Recorded: Jan. 13, 2026 Duration: 2:12:52Space Recording
Short Summary
Bself Brands is set to revolutionize the investment landscape by launching Btoken, the first fully tokenized equity offering in Europe, allowing community members to invest in a proven e-commerce business with guaranteed returns.
Full Transcription
I'm I'm about to get them all. Are you with that? In a white boat, surrounded by blue.
I want one, but I got a cop turn.
I want to fly high in the sky.
Arms out wide, trying to soar from a bird's eye view.
I'm on fire, Ricky, Bobby.
Cracking the pavement, Whitney, Bobby.
I'm a Saki bomb, Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
Bruce Wayne been a dog, and I keep it 101,
because I'm feeling kind of spotty.
Sipping on some rock, and I'm si Web 3.
And it is what it seems.
Topping the pyramid schemes, I'm telling you.
I'll sell you a percentage on Nebula.
Shout out to Viz yo, set it up.
NFT, Twitter, blockchain.
Team with the ghosts and we balling like the brown jay.
Crypto, crypto.
We can make a trade, get the memo.
But feels not falling for the FOMO.
Listening to coffee with Kevin.
You know we were a wild day loco.
I ain't never gonna stop rapping.
Orlando, yeah, we working magic.
We rocking Ethereum in a tease.
I just went and caught me a half bass.
Man, I gotta shout out the boy.
Now I got coin.
I see where y'all going.
Been popping since Web 1.
Hella hoops on Web 2.
I was living the dream.
Now I'm on Web 2.
And it is what it seems.
Topping the pyramid schemes, I'm telling you.
I'll sell you a percentage on Nebula shout out to vince set it up
breaking them all the truth is mine but they got knowledge to move son i'm shocking in
shades with my brother in shoes yeah them blues is coming even though it's hard to pick
any mighty mo soda on the mix no biting lips it's time to go index number one no thumbs
up you gotta scroll looking at the ghost's studio it's time to go had a helmet on by
myself until i met a master wanted to have a face off had to bring my chainsaw full ticket Welcome to Coffee with Captain, powered by 8coin, where we dive into all things crypto,
NFTs, Web3, and cutting-edge technology.
Remember, nothing here is financial advice.
Early-stage tech can be exceptionally volatile and risky. So grab your coffee and join Cap and
Steve for today's conversation. Welcome to the future.
Welcome to Coffee with Captain GM. GM, thanks so much for joining. If you haven't done so,
do a favor, drop us a GM in the chat down below, then head up top, smash that like,
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Helps warm up the algo and does us a real solid.
We also have a special guest joining us today around nine o'clock.
Would love to have a full house here for that.
I am joined by a co-host today, Outer Lumen.
And I think we've got X solved.
It was given during the same issues it was yesterday.
But we'll hold for...
Who did you again to listener?
We'll power through it.
We'll find a way.
Just so you know, it's not you, it's X.
It did, I think it took me six or seven attempts yesterday
to get the Coffee with Captain account up here
in the co-host seat.
It would add as a listener.
And every time I went to accept the co-host,
it booted me, or it added the speaker.
And then every time I accepted a co-host,
it booted me to a added a speaker. And then every time I accepted a co-host, it booted me to a listener,
but it eventually worked.
Maybe check for another X update.
I don't know.
That was, let's take three.
We'll see if this works.
As always, nobody financial advice
since your crypto is risky and a teaser risky.
Mean coins, exceptionally risky,
especially those launched
by the former mayor of New York City. They can all go to zero to them as soon as please don't put any money
you can't afford to lose. Know that I will hold tokens that I talk about from time to time,
as does Outer. And we're not financial advisors, certainly not your financial advisors. Don't
join for that. Just join for some fun, some information, and a little bit of education
along the way. Now that we got that out of the way, welcome. Glad you're all here. A lot to get into today.
Burry Lurkin says, heady intro. We've got GM, Mended Tokens, Grand Rising, Thomas, Minigators, CryptoPain.
The YouTube chat is taking over. It is popping off if you've not yet joined us over there.
Go click through. Actually, let me grab the link. I will pin that up top in one second. We'll throw abstract up there as well as YouTube, and then we will get rolling. But yeah, exciting.
Let me say interesting is probably a more appropriate day in the world of crypto and
Web3. We're going to get all to it here in a second. Not just crypto and Web3,
adjacent in the world of AI. Some big news coming out of Anthropic and Cloud yesterday with their co-work product.
We're going to talk about that a little bit this morning and some fun stuff to get into.
Markets are moving, especially memes and NFTs. Memes depends on whether it's up or down, depends on which ones you got into.
Do you want to try one more time to do the co-host thing?
And if it doesn't work, maybe we'll just leave you as a speaker.
What are you thinking?
I'll send it over to you.
I was going to say yesterday that I was going to bed.
The last thing that I'm afraid to accept this co-host invite
because I know it's probably going to run me.
probably gonna rug me yeah i did okay whatever i'll come up in a second man um so so the last
Yeah, I did.
Okay, whatever.
I'll come up in a second.
Man, so.
tweet i saw because i was i was totally doom scrolling last night like guilty fine um was that
mutants were i guess up i don't know i think it was like 0.8 or something was the value somebody
tweeted like as i was scrolling through um and had no idea. Like, I wasn't actually paying attention.
That was kind of exciting.
But I guess, like, I didn't do a check-in this morning yet.
Is everything running, or is it just that the ones are running?
It's not everything, and I don't – I mean, maybe completely unrelated, maybe related.
Now, it's not like the clubhouse is a surprise at this point.
Not only was it a roadmap item, but they actually, at ApeFest last year,
they did come out and give it a, you know, they said it's coming to Miami.
It is happening.
We don't have a firm date yet.
But yesterday, there was a trailer that dropped, basically a teaser for the clubhouse on YouTube.
And then it got reposted here on X.
Maybe that had something to do with mutants running maybe mutants uh ran they're up nine and a half percent of the day that could maybe
it's a response to uh getting flipped by good vibes club they're both actually sitting at 0.81
today a good vibes club has been on an absolute ripper uh they're way up uh here over the past
week uh chimpers are as well but yeah it's like
the uh for a minute chimpers and good vibes club but both at flip mutants uh now like i said after
mutants up almost 10 percent of the day they are uh the same floor price there little pudgies up
5.9 percent to uh 5.57 big pudgies up 9.3 percent to 5.28 the um punks are flat again moonbirds down a few percent
uh hypers flat v friends flat mladies flat the infinitex patrons that have the token tied to it
they're up nine percent of the day azuki down a percent as they celebrate their fourth year
anniversary doodles pumping 10 for some reason in that wild i saw four years like there's no way
azuki's been out for four years and um it's making me realize too that like, because Hashmasks launched also in January,
but that'll be five years.
Right.
When, when was it in January?
Do you know the exact day?
Yeah.
I think it was, if I was going to guess, it was like the 28th of January.
Late January.
Maybe it was the 20th, but maybe it was the 26th.
Like I don't, I don't remember the exact, like, but it was end of January.
Yeah. That's, that's that's so so wild right you know this this morning i was also checking out i didn't know this but i guess
um they have these like web3 gaming awards i think it's okay game spelled with with the three
or whatever dot gg i guess like whatever that was but they still held them they held awards
and the only reason why i found out about this and i don't know if anyone else does this i
actually like this may be a question for the audience i'm still in like capped out discords
even discourse in 2020 like 2020 2021 and sometimes i'll go in to some random thing
so my random thing that i went into this morning to check out, because the community is still there, were the Wanderers.
I don't know if you remember that project.
Dude, I can't make this up.
Like, this is proof of simulation.
Like, seconds before you said that, Otis in the chat says, Cap Wandering Westward for Node Foundation grade opening a couple weeks.
And I was replying, no, can't make it.
As I'm reading this, that's the exact collection I thought about and thought about you have talked about wanderers before, like, can't make this up. Like, I'm going to
show you the post just so you don't think I'm lying. Like, almost in real time, as my brain
goes, wanderers, outer lumen, outer lumen says wanderers, like we're, we're getting close to
dialed into this same chemistry that Steve and I had where we can finish each other the sentences.
I don't know if, if this is, what do they call it remote viewing is this am I am I getting
uh notice thanks for that one right oh my gosh okay I love that yeah I mean I figured it wouldn't
take that long to to to sync up or whatever so there it is um yeah so so i was in there because you know there's like
you know lots of announcements whatever but i guess they got nominated because i have a game
i've i i've dabbled very briefly in the game but i've had a year where i have not had time to play
with the games as much as i'd like to or check them out but two things from that one uh they
got nominated for best art direction
which i think is cool because i always like the aesthetics of that project you know and then i
learned that i guess for the last little while it's actually been a community member that i guess
stepped in raised two and a half mil no kidding yes and has been building this game so help me
understand that did they do they have like how does that do they have ip rights is it
more like a cto how does i think it's ip they have like these two things i almost feel like
going in the discord and like sharing this but like i again like i don't know what's been happening
like a ton right but in in the hub here in the holder hub under announcements there was a post by triangles like uh and this post came out like
uh this was like back in july when this came out just explaining what what's been going on which
is that they kind of have these two things they have wander labs and wander corp and so wander
labs owns the game brand and platform so that's like i guess the thing that um so so i guess she said that yeah since august of 21
um they've been together and then that that you know she i guess i think it's a she because she
says it says jenna i'm gonna assume but i don't know um she joined after nftmin formed wonder
labs in may of 2022 she led a 2.25 million raise with animoka and game fi to build the game yeah i mean i didn't
know a lot of this i just like the you know the cute little animations and the color palette like
that's my connection to this i haven't been paying attention that much but then there's also wander
corp which is decentralized and controls the wander token and now i'm thinking like oh my god
and apparently like 46 million of this has
has not been claimed and i'm thinking should i maybe i maybe i should have claimed some of this
this is funny anyways i don't know much except that what it got me onto which is what i kind of
really wanted to chat about a little bit is that there are so many games nominated in in these game
awards i feel like maybe i should just send you the link or something
so you could share.
So now what I'm most interested in is to go in
and check out some of these games that have been nominated
for all the various awards.
That part is so appealing to me.
Here, I'll give you this link so you can maybe just share.
I had no idea that there were like actually like i follow
the indie game awards like silksong and steam game awards like silksong won that which is like my
favorite game right now but i had no idea or maybe i had an idea but i just like didn't really
understand or or like like know the depth of the fact that there is like, there was voting done for 2025 games.
And if you go into, there should be like all categories.
Yeah, if you click on all categories up top there.
Oh, wow.
There's like, you know, best action game.
And then down at the bottom is game of the year,
which was off the grid.
Have you heard of this game?
Yeah, so yes. I've not heard of off the grid i have you heard of this game yeah so yes i've not heard of off the grid
it like had a moment in time where best way to describe it i think i think it was like first
person shooter but think of like an on-chain okay like um on-chain grand theft auto kind of
not written not exactly i know the rest of these games but i know it well and unfortunately i think
it's already i don't know if it's sunset or just sunset, it's web three component.
But so it's funny that it won game of the year.
And if anyone's more dialed into that, check me if I'm wrong here.
But I think they came in, they had early success in web three.
It was one of the ones like, look, web three gaming works.
And then I think they already shut it down, which is which is sad.
And to your point, though, I am familiar with Parallel, Pudgy Party, FIFA Rivals.
I'm not familiar with EVE Frontier, but I am aware of the others.
It's part of the game, I believe, but that's the one I'm thinking of anyway.
Okay.
But yeah, and then there's best card game, best shooter game, best RPG, best puzzle.
And then the best art direction is how we have arrived.
Yeah, the UI is a bit weird.
It's like, how do you get back to all the categories?
I guess you go to check the wizards.
Pudgy Party won best mobile game.
Off the Grid best action game.
That Eve Frontier best adventure game.
Pudgy Party won best casual game.
Pudgy Party cleaned it up on the award front.
It was just neat to be on this side of like the web 3 internet if you will so yeah i
don't know i feel a little bit like i want to do a bit more digging um and check out what uh
man what this has to offer because i was just curious i'm like man okay okay wanderers i see
you but also what is all this like games gg that i just kind of like have not been paying attention
to this year yeah i was not even familiar with the site or this organization.
I am, I mean, I still remain hopeful, I guess is the right word for on-chain gaming.
I'd almost given up hope that like it's just not going to work.
Tokenomics are too hard.
It's just been game after game.
But I know you've been
obviously you've done some development you've done you know ui ux with when you're with yuga
and have several other connections into some of these web3 gaming franchises what's your just
your high level take on web3 gaming is it here to stay is it are we just going to use blockchain
tech and stop using try and incorporate the tokens and the financial play? And then we'll get Oxy in here next. You might have a take on
Off the Grid or one of these others. But yeah, what's your just high level take on, and really
your current January 2026 thoughts and sentiments on on-chain gaming at the highest level? Is it
going to be a thing? Is it going to just be all gaming in the future? Or did we overhype it?
in the future or did we overhype it?
Here's what I think is the best use case
for blockchain in gaming.
How that manifests is yet like we'll see.
And I think maybe even there's a sub point to that.
But the main one is an example of my son playing Roblox
and losing all of his stuff because all the servers are centralized
and they had a glitch.
I think it was Pet Simulator X was the game that his generation played
when they were like 10, 11, whatever.
And they collect all these rare things that they grind for.
A concept not too unfamiliar to anybody listening, I'm sure.
So when you have, like, imagine you,
there's like a glitch and your entire, like, you know,
your entire wallet just gets drained of all the things you've collected.
Like, my kid was crying all day.
And it was actually kind of humorous,
only not because he was crying,
but because I popped into the Discord,
because I had a Discord for Pet Simulator X.
And I saw all of these like boomer
moms whose kids were also crying trying to navigate discord because i've never used discord before
it was really funny to see like um it's almost like they were emailing customer support but
those were the posts they were making in the discord it was really really like dear so and
so or to whom it may concern it was hilarious like i should
have screen captured some of this stuff but my bigger point is that like if he owned those assets
on chain they would still be his no matter what happened to the server right so so that's that's
like that's the biggest thing and i think eve online like any game that already has in-game
currency and ownership of assets that like ultimately goes to
an immutable database great that makes sense but sometimes you know i wonder about the like okay
can we throw a game on top of blockchain and solve some other things there and that i'm that i'm not
i'm not sure about like signing a transaction for every move is not a vibe, right?
Yeah.
So that's my bigger take.
The other one, of course,
is I do think there is something
in parcel ownership,
however that manifests.
And you know,
having been through so many metaverses,
even recently seen that
something like Substrativir,
which is this open source niche thing,
is still around.
And I recently connected with a couple of folks in Brian Brinkman's Discord
because I'm part of his Brinkworks thing.
There's people talking about voxels, about like, where do I display stuff these days?
And I always love like Cryptovoxels, Ben's metaverse.
You know, you own a parcel, it's yours, you can do whatever,
and people can come over and check it out.
And like, I don't know. There's something
there for me.
I recently read that
I believe it was a Tuvalu
that is becoming a digital
sovereign nation due to climate change
because most folks are going to evacuate
by 2030 or something.
I'm just like, how is that not the most primed
metaverse play ever to
have a country and have like govern from digitally and have like a whole metaverse idea of it?
So anyway, so I think those two are like big ones is this idea of like ownership of assets, ownership of parcel, ownership of currency, just things that like cannot be as easily rugged and give you that but
but is that advantageous to a game i'm not sure right like that's that's the that's the revenue
generating part that comes in when you think about that because there's a reason why you know roblox
is so successful with their robux and all of the kind of setups they have there is is your son in
roblox at all not as much anymore because he's older. He's like a Steam kid now.
But that was like the progression was like re-Minecraft.
And sometimes there's still nostalgia there.
Like he has his own server with some friends.
Like they do whatever, like specific hangouts in Minecraft just like for nostalgia's sake.
But from that, he went into a Roblox Heavy, like all the games there.
And he used to play a lot um together as well and now it's
steam so you know like battlefield and and i got him onto like i got i bought a playstation we were
a switch family for a while because i like all the mario stuff and it's fun and of course zelda
and like tears of kingdom and all that but the game that i finally like got him into and it was
interesting to see how he progressed through it
um was hollow knight and then silksong both of these games are just stunning and beautiful but
they are also difficult to play and what i mean by that is like it is a grind you die the runbacks
are hard this is like like like late 90s early 2000s unforgiving like there's no nothing is auto saving bro like this is
after after a few hours you're it's you're so frustrated you want to pull out the game genie
and uh and uh cheat your way to the end well and we we reminisce like me and divide reminisce with
him we're like i know you're complaining about this part of it but imagine if it just crashed
and now you have to like blow into your cartridge or like whatever you know like it's kind of hilarious to but but he at first was really frustrated and i literally sat down and i'm
like that's the difference between like what you can learn to do versus like the current game
culture of like fast and easy yep and now and now he's like a parkour master in this game he's like
he's seeing reddit posts of people like like there's one run in hollow
night called the path of pain and he's like working up to to doing like those kind of
movements and like it's just amazing to watch how like he went from i can't do this this is insane
like i can't believe like this is a way of life and a way of gaming to now embracing it and like
seeing some pride in the fact that he's now like probably in like
the one percent of silksong and hollow knight players that like has access to the game that
most people just don't have the patience for um but yeah anyways i i don't know i didn't mean to
like derail us into web3 gaming or gaming of any kind but i just i popped into the wanderers
discord and i thought man what what an interesting. So now I don't even know.
I feel like going into some other random Discord just to see what's up.
I may do the same and do it as a bit for, I don't know what my cap is, like 200 Discords, maybe 100 Discord.
Probably 200, I think, is what I'm in right now.
I may go through and track this and see of the 200 Discords, how many are still active being like has had a post in the
last 90 days, I need to leave a bunch of group chats, I need to leave a bunch of discords,
but more so than the cleanup, I too am curious, I know there are some still that are building
that people have just forgotten about. And will they make it? I don't know, it's probably still
a long shot. But if there are ones that are still building three, four or five years into this thing,
regardless of market conditions, regardless of sentiment, floor price, etc.
Man, I'm rooting for them. I would love to see someone break out like the big winner of the game
of the year in 2026 not be someone something new that just dropped, but rather, oh,
I'm trying to think of the name Martian Premier League, they just broke out. It's like it was
the soccer game like like, there was so many that, man, it just, like, for all the reasons you mentioned, owning these assets makes sense.
There's so much you could do with it, but they just, maybe we were too early.
Maybe it was the tokenomics.
Other things, I really don't know.
Maybe it was the overinflated floor prices that they wouldn't dip.
They lost their momentum.
I really don't know, but I just, for so many reasons i remain long-term optimal optimistic branching gaming i guess i think that
i think is interesting is like how much did the pandemic have to do with a lot of this
embracing of like i mean even social audio yep and let alone metaverses let alone like finding a way
to connect in the time when people weren't connecting and then i think like there was
definitely people that i know gamed especially like because it was a way to socialize that just
like have not gamed before and i got into that side of it because because it was like what else was
there to do you know in in in some respect and now there's a lot more to do so like the game
culture is back to just being like if you game you game and you've always gamed yep but like a
lot of people embrace things that they normally wouldn't have and probably have left since then
i agree i also oxy we'll go to you next appreciate Appreciate your patience. I do think it's, I think the pendulum
as far as like hyper online all the time, right? There was certainly a byproduct of the pandemic
to some degree from Tiger King being a smash hit to everything that, you know, NFTs and all the
crypto stuff that the proverbial bubble. It's funny, my, my, I posted a video this morning of,
it was actually Gary V. I downloaded a Gary V video from Instagram. I did this just for you,
Mel. I'm kidding. I know Mel is not a big Gary fan. So she's probably just stopped tuning in
since I mentioned the name. But he did have a good take, which I wholeheartedly agree with.
And I'll put it up top. But essentially, it's, it's experiential retail. It's, he called it like he is the first time I heard someone called it
like the barbell strategy is you can't be just online or on chain, and you can't just be retail,
it's the winners are going to really lean into both of those almost to the extreme. And it was
the the, the basis of his video was talking about these coffee
shops that retailers are staying up that you wouldn't think of
like the ones he specifically mentioned in this video were
shoot was coach. I'm sorry, Ralph. No, yeah, you unique glow.
I'm not familiar with coach or opening cafes joining long term
coffee players, Ralph Lauren, and Capital One.
So just the idea of these retail brands, even banks, opening cafes, coffee shops,
really leaning into experiential retail where if people are going to get out of their house
and come to your place of business to do something that they, in most cases, could just do online,
like they don't need to leave their home, the reason they're going to do that is they want connection,
they want something more, they want some sort of experience that they can't get on Amazon,
that they can't get on CapitalOne.com, that they can't get on Coach.com. And
I don't know what that exactly means for on-chain gaming,
but I do think, to your point, I do think there was some of this,
some of the mania was a byproduct of the pandemic,
and maybe things just got overcooked.
Maybe things just like, you think about Axie and its explosion,
and then Zed Run, and people were buying digital horses
for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
That's crazy.
And it was a moment in time.
And I think probably a lot came in, they got burnt, like, oh, this is just never going to work.
Because they overextended themselves or the financial side of on-chain gaming just got way –
these assets were selling more than some of the most iconic assets ever in gaming, whether it be the skins in Call of Duty or any of these OG gaming assets that people would sell their accounts for after building up a bunch of assets.
That said, Oxy, I promise we kept you on ice here long enough.
I'm sure the hand's getting tired.
GM, what brought you up? Off the grid or another gaming take?
Hey, yeah, Off the Grid. So that was actually one that I played a decent amount when it was
kind of hot. And I guess one thing that I wanted to touch on was, so they still have their Web3
aspect and their crypto aspect. The issue that
they're running into is Steam is really anti-crypto and Web3 related things, obviously
because they have their own marketplace built into Steam. So Counter-Strike skins and all that
kind of stuff is sold within Steam. So people have to go to a third party, like off the grid site to be able to transact on
the marketplace utilizing the crypto.
But what they did really well was like integrating crypto and digital assets that were tradable
in a way that wasn't like completely pay to win, in my opinion.
Like you would get get there are skins
that you could spend crypto on but then there are also different upgrades for your character that
you could spend crypto on and it wasn't to the point where it could like make or break the game
um but it was a fun game like the mechanics were good everything in game was obviously not on chain
because like you were saying like signing a transaction every time you moved is just not the move at all.
So you'd go in,
you'd play a game,
you'd loot the map or whatever.
You'd kill other people,
try and take their stuff.
And then when you got out,
you had,
you either,
you extracted certain assets that you could then sell on the marketplace or
you died and you lost like all the stuff that you brought like with you or
whatever.
So it was a really cool like loop that seemed to work and i don't know what if it
was just the gameplay wasn't good enough for people to to get on board with it or if it was
a marketplace thing but from what i understand they're still going for it they're still trying
to push push push the narrative.
And I thought it was a fun game when it was out.
And then one really quick thing, they're building on Avalanche,
and they built their own chain on Avalanche.
So you know how Avalanche doesn't necessarily build L2s on top of Avalanche. They build additional L1s kind of horizontally, if you will.
additional L1s kind of horizontally, if you will. So they have this blockchain that they're trying
to push other games to build on top of because they have this infrastructure laid out already
where there is a marketplace built out. The assets are on this specific blockchain that
they've developed. So there is a world where they can kind of get back into the into the uh
spotlight a little bit they can get if they can get people to play their game and whatnot then it
might incentivize some other games to build on the blockchain that's already had infrastructure
built out so just some additional context to that yeah i appreciate that and you said something there too in passing that i think
does also hit is not only did maybe things just get overcooked in terms of floor prices asset
prices etc might have just been too early like the reality is in 2021 the tech really wasn't
quite ready for true on-chain gaming like could if you used it to just simply hold the assets on-chain
and almost everything else take place off-chain?
Yeah, that was possible.
But the tech really wasn't there like it is today.
And maybe it's just me and my MegaEath bias.
But I am, and I know like on-chain gaming isn't going to be the core focus of MegaEath, but I am excited whether it's MegaEath or I saw on that rewards from games that we just had pulled up there, Ronin was the ecosystem of the year.
But I am, and I know like on-chain gaming isn't going to be the core focus of MegaEath,
I do wonder if it is a matter of we were just too early.
Things got way overcooked.
The tech wasn't ready.
And maybe it's not this year maybe it's not
next year but at some point we see this it just becomes inevitable but it just the the everything
just wasn't ready in 21 22 um before we move on from oxy i did see he posted a long form thread
on yesterday's stable coin conversation i wanted to call attention to that. If you enjoyed the chat yesterday, well thought out big brain take from Oxy up top. Appreciate
you adding to the conversation yesterday. And we're not going to go back and relitigate stablecoins
today. But again, that is up top if you are looking for more info on stablecoins and what
it might mean for the year. Also, as I'm calling attention to posts up top,
excited for the claw machine and Pokemon Grails that's launching on base on
January 15th. So Thursday, and I'm, I'm not going to share it yet,
but we also have a special guest joining us next Monday that may or may not be
related to Pokemon may or may not be related to doing some fun things on
chain. So I, like I say say all that outer and i wonder maybe on chain gaming its best fit
isn't first person shooters but rather it is these assets like like i don't think of pokemon as a game
but the reality is it's a game and the assets are coming on chain now and rwas make a lot of sense
for these real world assets to be able to if you you're going to trade them, it's a lot easier to do on chain with some platform like BZ than it is to worry about pickpacking and shipping your actual physical card.
So maybe that is like the sweet spot for on chain gaming is the TCGs of the world, the things like Pokemon, those that come with more collectibles where it's an easier bridge
right like you know it's funny like do you remember disney pinnacle oh yeah yep yeah and like it's
interesting to me how yeah i know i got like a bunch of digital pins or not like a huge disney
maxi but it was just interesting for me to just try like the novelty of the platform but i want
the physical pins like like and i don't even like
i've never been to disney world or land nor do i have any desire to do that but i have friends that
are like disney maxis and to me it stands to reason if i pulled some kind of rare and it
manifested itself in a pin that came to my door and then i went to the park and it gave me like
i don't know what do they have there free drink a free ride like on some coaster like if there was some kind of clout associated with
owning something rare which we love to show off as collectors yeah i don't know i think there's
a lot there i also was thinking about like dookie dash was actually fun yep i hated i hated how like
there was no hope in winning against folks that got, like, you know, full-on, like, you know, special mice and whatever fine.
But it was still, like, it was just genuinely fun and fun to experience.
Unlike, like, something, like, heavy, which was just, like, so, like, such a grind and just lacked, like, a creative edge to that.
So, I don't know.
There's, like, something.
I'm just trying to think, like like what what was actually like fun like what what games have i been through that were like just genuinely
like not too serious and and like had fun elements in them because i think fun was ultimately was
missing the entire time for most of these things social and fun i mean it'll always have a sauce
up my heart because it was a big part of my on-chain rabbit hole is a big part of my the reason i i'm here yes i found nba
top shot that was first but then right after top shot what really sent me like top shot it got me
into nfts but the reality is it's centralized platform like i i didn't have to own crypto to
do that right like everything could be bought with a credit card and well it's great they had
that tech early on it was zed run which was on polygon at the time and
having to bridge over to polygon and understand download them at a mask and that's what forced
my web through education and i i genuinely had a lot of fun i had fun breeding those horses racing
sources i'm not saying it's just because they botched the tokenomics early on and
and then took them too many second third fourth chances to try to get it
right i still have horses i they auto race i can't even tell you last time i logged in the site
probably should check it out at least but oh my god you have to that's going to be the best thing
ever just to like check back in speaking of checking back into things check back into that
that's right but it was it was one that i genuinely enjoyed like i really did like the
game and that's partially what made me so bullish for on-chain gaming so excited about on-chain gaming is because
it was not only something i enjoyed i'm not i'm not exaggerating i believe i probably onboarded
more of my in real life friends by way of zed run than anything else that's come since like there
was one fan i knew was big into like mcu mcu and and comics and so he ended up buying a punks comic
one and that was his entry into the space but i had several friends i had stables i had one friend that got really
deep into it and was really enjoyed regular horse racing and i think he had like 400 horses
and he's probably and i think other than that he might have eventually bought like a mutant
but just never went anywhere else it was like that's what i think on chain gaming is it and
now unfortunately it's got,
I think it probably negative connotation,
but if they,
if they're able to obfuscate the tech,
they're able to not lead with NFTs or crypto.
There really is something there.
It's just,
at the end of the day,
it's gotta be a fun game.
It's gotta be something people enjoy.
They want to play,
not just because this token,
this gaming asset could a thousand X in the next day.
Oxy go ahead and get back in here and then we'll go to Machiavelli.
And so we've got a few other speakers on stage as well hey yeah so have you been in dead run since they changed their dead champions yeah i have i just
i did a little bit early on and then i just i quickly lost um quickly lost interest it just
it wasn't to me like theoretically the idea of like auto
racing made a lot of sense i liked it theoretically but in reality it just it was very it was it was
very it was just boring for me it was it was not yeah it didn't hit the same as the the old game
did and i didn't know how to describe you still breed you still have the chance i guess it was
just a it's their own marketplace it's just it's difficult to like the reason i haven't sold
my horses i don't i have no idea what to price them at it's just i don't know i'm not gonna go
off on a zed ramp yeah i've been back in and i i hope they do well maybe they still are i just
um the the new version of the game while maybe it's more sustainable and they they did incorporate
some things that should make it more sustainable.
I just don't enjoy it as much as I did the first one.
Machiavelli, go ahead.
Yo, I wanted to get in here because yesterday something odd happened.
I, you know, I have like 100-something Discords as well on the left-hand side.
But anytime I see like the speaker icon or the screen icon,
I'll go check to see what's up.
And I saw some old projects.
I'm not going to say their names, like from 22.
And somebody was in their Discord, two different projects.
And I went and looked, and it was the founders.
And I went and hopped in there.
And they're like, Mega Valley, it's been years.
And I was like, you guys are still around?
And you're still doing 3D and building?
And they're like, oh, yeah, man, we never quit.
Like, just because the bear hit and all that.
And I was like, what?
And there was like nobody in the Discord.
You know what I mean?
But they were still cooking.
And I just, I find it very interesting that like, you know, there's a lot of these founders and stuff like that that like were really working and stuff like that this past few years that are really still out here doing their thing.
And so I just, I don't know, it just kind of reinvigorated me a little bit whenever i was hearing you guys talk and stuff like that because it's it's like
i ran into this instance yesterday where i ran across people that i hadn't talked to for years
and they're still honing and perfecting their craft and their skill and like i i was involved
in some 3d projects before like 3d was popular or any of that stuff quote unquote and like they
were already doing wearables and all that stuff at the end of 22 beginning 23 and so like to just reconnect and see how invigorated they are just like reinvigorated
they are to see the market in the direction it's moving other side popping off like i'm super
excited because there's some builders that are going to be returning and i'm looking forward to
it i love it i do have one zed horse that's in the top 100, which is pretty good considering I don't do anything over there. It's got 27,000 Zed staked in it. Basically out where you see last race, he didn't finish top three. So I lost 600 Zed. All the others is because I've stopped breeding and stopped leveling up the horses. So all my other horses have gotten relegated to breeding horses only. So I got 47 in the breeding pool and one that's still racing.
Some of these would be decent.
I just need to go do something with it.
So if anyone wants to manage a Zed stable,
let me know.
This is so fascinating.
It's making me think of CryptoKitties,
which had a breeding...
Oh my God.
Right?
If you think about breeding...
One million kitties.
Right?
Yeah, I don't know.
Just thought about, like, crypto kitties were not, like, it wasn't a game, but in a way, it kind of was if you think about it.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I mean, I'm guessing the whole idea of breeding horses came from crypto kitties breeding.
While the chat in abstract is popping off today.
Frosty's is, I don't know if Frosty's hits a big win last night or he's just feeling
extra generous, pouring in with the massive Pingu tips over there.
Shout out to CryptoScam1 as well.
That's a joke, by the way.
He's not a scammer.
Just an inside joke.
But yeah, Frosty's, you said lunch on you today.
You're at this pace.
This might be a steak dinner tonight.
So thank you very much. Greatly appreciated. Doesn't go unnoticed. And I know we have a lot of other
guests on stage. We'll go around the horn if you want to get in here. There was a couple other
topics. Our and I were going to talk a little bit about co-work and vibe coding off the recent
Anthropic News, the big cloud update yesterday. And obviously, if you've been on X, your feed is probably more likely filled with vibe coders than it is crypto content as of late.
Although, not breaking news necessarily, but I will show this.
It appears that crypto Twitter might, in fact, be the most powerful force on all of X.
powerful force on all of X. Mr. Nikita, after dunking on crypto Twitter and taking shots
and trolling everyone and said that you've committed suicide by GMing, he says this morning,
GM, it's fixed. And he capitulated. So Nikita has caved to the powers that RCT,
even pinned the post. So it's back. If you're a GMer and enjoy GMing, it's back if you're a gmmer and enjoy gming uh the uh it's back on
you're no longer going to get your account nerf for gming i i don't know if that means they also
took to what took away the um the rate limiting or the the reach allowance or whatever they were
calling it but gms are apparently back on the menu um i saw jonah popped up jonah not to put
you on the spot but i know a a gaming guru, in a sense.
And this is...
I'm going to kill myself.
Jonah's the goat.
Rolling your eyes at our gaming conversation in my last run.
Feel free to get in here and take whichever direction you'd like.
I just came to Aura Farm because you said gaming.
What?
What?
Ugh.
Ugh. It's my fault because you said gaming. What?
Web 3 gaming.
Gross.
I mean, all right, fine.
Fuck it.
Hold on.
I'll come up with that.
The RWA Pokemon stuff is definitely really cool.
That is a real use case.
Yeah, that's it. Jonah, can you hear me? Yeah, that's it.
Jonah, can you hear me?
Yeah, I hear you.
Are you a Hollow Knight or Silksong player?
When I'm not screaming at my computer screen, yeah. Because they want me to diagonal dash into a fucking rose
in order to bounce into the next level.
Yeah, but like,
if you attain that level of attainment,
how good does that feel, though?
Oh, yeah, you feel like a ninja.
Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, it's...
I forgot the name of the award that Steam gave them.
It was like the one where you...
Oh, man, we were talking about this the other day.
Let me see if I can actually find it. It was so funny. It's like the award that steam gave them it was like the one where you oh man we were talking about this the other day let me see if i could actually find it it was so funny it's like the award that you
like you're just you're you're like not that mad about it because you're crying but like it's the
it's it's the best game that you love that you suck at or something like that probably like a
rage bait or something award yeah yeah like it's it totally won that i mean it won game
of the year but it also won that it was really hilarious amazing game you know incredible yeah
this is probably too old for jonah outer you might have played this one i don't know why i thought of
it this morning but probably my favorite like pc game i was big my gaming career was mostly like
sports games on someone mentioned the Sega Genesis earlier,
or the Sega Dreamcast,
the PlayStation.
My favorite
PC game of all time, Lord of the
Realms 2. Have any of you ever played
that? Does this ring a bell at all?
I have not.
I have not. My earliest PC
game was
somebody had the OG GTA like top down with the little dots on PC.
I remember going to a friend's house and it was like it was really cool.
But for me, my like my biggest connection, I think it started with Mario 3.
But really it was like waiting in line for the N64.
And like the N64 was like my like my big like
oh my god moment i can't believe that that exists and my favorite game of all time to this day is
starfox 64 like i just played the crap out of that i um i would i may go back and play lord of
the realms 2 again to see if it's i think it it still checks out think of like what is it like
think of like
think of like
Command and Conquer, Warcraft
yeah but more like
that like but meets
like Farmville where you're
it's a it's an
empire game right where you're growing you're
expanding empire you have knights and
tray buckets and you have to...
I got a game for you this year, coming out this year,
if you like that.
Are any of you guys fans of the Warhammer IP?
Not familiar.
But look at this, it's not just me, Steam.
Steam gives Lord of Thrones 2 a 10 out of 10.
Is that often? I gotta imagine that's uncommon.
No, it's hard, it's not often.
Alright, so real quick,
since Outer outer nose warhammer
they're making a total war warhammer 40k game are you serious yep it's coming out this year
what does that mean what does warhammer 40k mean so total war is a series that's like command and
conquer it's a top-down strategy game.
And instead of doing it based on reality and stuff,
Total War is usually based on empires that existed in human history.
This one is based on Warhammer 40K,
which, if you don't know, is an IP that's massive.
It's like Dungeons & Dragons level massive.
Orcs and goblins and that sort of stuff?
Yes, but more evil and more dark.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know how to explain it other than you have to experience the IP for yourself.
It's amazing. They're coming out with a Warhammer movie that Henry Cavill is going to be the main character of.
I'm genuinely curious to see some of you that, like this,
the game was released in 96.
But some of you that are deep in gaming and love these sort of games,
I genuinely curious to see what your take would be on Lord of the realms too.
Cause I remember it to be amazing.
It was an incredible game back then from like a strategy standpoint,
it wasn't like crazy graphics, but the strategy was, was real.
And I think a lot of the
games that you might see today of similar vein probably took some sort of inspiration for that
joey go ahead and get in here we've got we're probably not getting the vibe coding conversation
we do have our special guest in the green room we're going to shift gears here around nine o'clock
uh but go ahead and take it wherever you like it yep i did find this i wanted to bring it up so
yeah it's the best game you suck at award.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
So the thought being like you can still have fun even though you suck at it.
Am I interpreting that correctly?
Well, Jonah nailed it. Like it's just unforgiving.
But if you do get good at it, you feel incredible that you're part of like this small group of individuals
that whether it's on like you know a pc or on any of the platforms because they're all different too
like if you're if you're like rocking silk song and playstation doesn't mean you can then show up
and just like be a keyboard warrior with it either like you kind of have to learn it but but it is so
beautiful and so stunning and the art direction is so incredible and the audio is so
incredible that like there's orchestras like fully performing the soundtrack for this game like it's
it's just wild um but it is absolutely unforgiving and if you know you know and you like get through
that otherwise you fade it like you're just like oh it's it's too hard or it's bad or this is like whatever and every single time like even when we've played it like me and the kid and divide we're like
oh okay this boss is lame but then it's like no no no it's not we're just bad and then when we
get through it it's like oh my god it's amazing we got through this like next section and then
you go on reddit and you just like talk to people and they're like oh i'm stuck i can't do this and
there's literally like,
there's people that have beat the thing and there's people that haven't beat
the thing. And you're like, you're either in one of those camps. It's yeah.
It's pretty amazing. I mean,
anyone who's listening who wants to like check out just what a team of three
conceptualized, even like starting with something like hollow night,
nevermind silksong. It's just like, yeah, I don't know. It's i i cannot like glaze it enough so good i joey we're gonna get to you here
in a second i well i i so i was familiar back to off the grid real quick just to tie that one off
it was i guess dr disrespect was part of of that game, and he had some drama involved with himself and some things.
I don't know all the details, but that might have played a role in its downfall, if you will.
But Mayhem says played it.
A lot of potential.
His rig wouldn't run it well.
It's the only reason to dig in more.
Gun still has a token.
I've seen it mentioned lately.
Must be active for something.
Just came out of early access actually so release date was july 17th of last year and and uh now is out of early access
uh joey go ahead
joey okay can you yeah can you hear me okay i'm on a desktop so coming through clear okay cool um i
came up when you were mentioning like the rwa
stuff obviously um and outer brought up something that is quite common um i do think that i do i
do believe that not every collectible belongs on chain to your point outer about like pins as an
example right like there's a massive and when I say massive pin collecting community
in like the Disney world, you probably have like, you probably couldn't even begin to estimate how
many people collect pins and how much money gets spent on them. I don't believe those belong on
chain, right? People want to wear those on their lanyards. They want to wear them on their
backpack. Shoot. I've even seen people at Disney that use motorized scooters and the canopy of their motorized scooter is just covered in Disney pins. So that you brought up a really good point. Now, the reason why, and this is another, to me, this is a perfect example. So for anybody that collects, you know, trading cards, the Grail set
is a 1999 base set, first edition, Pokemon, PSA 10. So that's every single card in that base set,
first edition, graded as a PSA 10. There estimate, because they don't know for sure, that about a
few years ago, there was about 10 of these collections that existed, potentially. One of
those collections belonged to this big guy in the space. His name's Jeremy. He lived in the Palisades
in California. He kept his full base set of first edition PSA 10s in his home.
His home burned to the ground. That whole base set is gone now. Unrecoverable. So we have a guy
that's been working with us, DCF God. He's on X. A lot of people know him. We actually helped him acquire a first edition Charizard PSA 10 for $300,000. It's on chain. It's in our Brinks vault. He's on his way to getting a full PSA 10 set. I want to say he's almost halfway there with what he's trying to do.
do. So when we think of like the, the use case for this, right? Like the reason why we bring it
on chain is number one, you don't have the, the, the safety, the insurance, all that stuff can be
with us. At least we use a Brinks vault. So all your, your high value stuff is sitting in this
Brinks vault. It's insured, it's protected, and you can still show
off that collection everywhere you go. And if you decide, like we just purchased a card,
I facilitated the sale where they were like, oh, we need to do a bank wire because of the value of
that card. Bank wires can take up to 48 hours. We want that card now. If it was on chain,
simple little transaction, and now you own that card in less than a minute.
Right. So there's so many use cases. But back to what you're saying, I don't believe every
single collectible belongs on chain. I think we have to consider like, you know, resources and
costs and things like that. But those are like just two stories
that I think make the most sense when we talk about like why. So like, it's funny when people
say NFTs are dead, like NFTs are not dead. NFTs are thriving. They're just thriving in industries
that this small little niche part of crypto Twitter doesn't really talk about. Yes, NFT,
you know, PFP NFTs are pumping right now,
but for the last couple of years,
the number one NFT in most NFTs created
is Ticketmaster, right?
So NFTs are thriving.
They're not thriving in the way
that we talk about since 2021.
Good point.
They're thriving, just not thriving
from a floor price standpoint go ahead
i just wanted to say like to my reference for for disney pinnacle uh i think it's it's actually
both to me right like it's an extension of like i i don't even necessarily think that
like the pin example specifically for me means that yeah i still want to reveal it digitally and
i still want to own a digital copy of it it's just that i want to that extend to the physical
manifestation of that given that the utility for it is for me to show it off like i think
there's a there's like a there's an inherent difference in like um um like you know i'm a big
magic uh player a law of magic the gathering and like recently i've been
really loving it because they released avatar on it and i love avatar ang and that entire franchise
so the combination of that has been so cool um and i've been like ripping packs with with my family
but like i also use those cards to play a game like it's not good enough for me to own them
digitally in this case because i i like i will go and i'll play the physical game with with my peers well no and i completely agree that's a
great point right like people want to play the actual tcg but remember like we're not the goal
is to not tokenize every single card right the goal is to tokenize the cards that have value
right like we don't want you,
nobody wants to spend $50 grading a card that if it comes back as a PSA 10 is worth 10 bucks,
right? Like that's not the point. So, so I agree with, I agree with you. You're saying the Disney pinnacle thing I never got because you can't redeem them for physical pins. They're just
digital. And that was the whole point from the beginning. Is that like,
miss that mark because
disney missed the mark and knowing that they have like huge ip huge collectible plus they have a
ton of physical spaces where people would want to show those things off so they they just like
that is not enough to just own that digitally like you know but but i don't need to have like
you know i don't i don't need to have a physical of all of my nfts anyways maybe some of them i
print maybe some of them are artworks, whatever.
But I am agreeing with you that everything has to be both.
But definitely for things that have an actual utility,
whether it's a game or a pin that you'd want to collect, that makes sense.
It's also the same with I don't want digital stamps.
If you're a stamp collector, you're going to want the physical thing. That's the whole point of if you're into that kind of thing. Yeah, I don't want digital stamps. If you're like, if you're like a stamp collector, you're going to want the physical thing.
Like that's the whole point of, you know, if you're like into that kind of thing.
Yeah.
I don't know.
There's, it's definitely.
Yeah.
But to your, but to your point about the physical, even the physical stamps, think about it again
about, you know, keeping something that has such a high value in your home and God forbid,
there's a roof leak, there's a fire, right? So like, yes, the older people that
are in their seventies and eighties, maybe that are coin and stamp collectors, they love being
able to pull out their collection and look, but younger people that are using that stuff for a
stored value, they, the amount of money you would have to pay in supplemental homeowners insurance to keep those items actually insured at
your home would far outweigh digit, like sending them to somebody like us, putting them in our
vault and then just being able to carry them around on your phone and show them off whenever
you want. I wonder if like, if an actor or a musician would be okay to receive a digital Oscar or
Grammy or if having the physical, I'm just, I'm just being funny.
I mean, in all seriousness, it would, it, it would help with authentication.
You'd never have to wonder if this is a legit award or is it a knockoff?
I mean, maybe the next market for these, can you buy someone else's?
At a pawn shop.
Yeah. If you ever watched pawn stars, people come and pawn like Emmys,
world series, Oscars, world series rings, all kinds of stuff like that.
Okay. I feel like maybe it's my mission for 2026 to see if I can acquire someone else's grand.
Listen, I'm setting up a new office. I'm setting up a new office this weekend so the background will be different hopefully next monday if everything goes smooth my new goal is also to
get an oscar or grammy to have behind me just for it's funny yes what would you do to get an oscar i
bought one totally whose is it the best part is like picking whose it would be like whose recycled
oscar which wait do they did they do they customize those with
the name who won the award oh yeah um chat let us know if you were to purchase any oscar money is no
issue who what oscar are you buying this is this is the important questions we need answered here
on coffee we've uh miss a you've got our last uh top last i didn't think we'd go this deep on
gaming this morning but i'm here for it.
Also going to be playing some Lord of the Realm 2
this weekend and maybe Age of the Empires
also gets a shout out from Dobbins.
That was my number two behind Lord of the Realm 2
was Age of the Empires.
These were two great, great PC games from back in the day.
But Miss A, go ahead, if you don't mind,
kind of lightning round
because I don't want to keep our special guests
waiting too much longer, but appreciate you joining us.
Yeah, no worries, Cap.
I was actually just going to add and revert back to that bit of retail
and the part that's very interesting on the retail world
and the retail consumer front.
Do you remember Fabricant and Fabricant back in 21
with the digital fashion house?
And how I was on a few stages in Europe
that were actually talking about that
because I was also from the adage that
it may not go past the pandemic time because people are genuinely going to want to go out
and connect. And I think whatever retail vertical you're looking at depends on the retail vertical,
whether or not that is going to be aligned with it. So if you're talking about gaming is one thing
and collectors is another, like Joey's saying, but like, for example, someone who has a Louis Vuitton or an Hermes bag, maybe they have 200 of
them. They're not going to want to put that into a vault, right, Joey, they're going to want to be
able to use those in their own home. And when they go out on evenings, so that's a different,
that's a different sector. But I do believe that people are leaning more into in real life
community. And the omni channel solution is different distribution channels.
And I just see the NFC or digital asset space as another distribution channel to reach your audience.
And your audiences are going to be varied in age.
And I think one of the things that's always been forgotten, it's been very,
most of the audience has been very heavy skewed towards men
and very skewed towards a certain age demographic and a certain demographic for what people enjoy doing.
And I think that's a limited view of what the retail consumer world looks like.
And I've worked on the fashion and luxury side and also HBA and FMCG.
So when you think about it, there's many products, as Joey said, and I agree with him, we've been doing rewards and memberships forever, for as long as I can remember, because it's part of the retail value chain. So I think it's just about timing. And I think Cap, to close it up, I think that's when I think you hit the nail on the head. I think it's just the bad. It was not the right time. The tech wasn't finished. The use cases were not complete. There was a lot of individuals that may not know the whole business process end to end. And now it's kind of like those people are
coming in and they're just kind of taking what's been done, which is halfway fixed.
And now they're just going to complete it as they bring that whole, those industries forward.
And that was something that I already forecasted that would happen during the pandemic. I already
saw this because I was, I was listening and talking to people and I was still active in the retail space on the digital transformation side.
And luxury was concerned.
But the reality is, is they're not concerned anymore that much because they're actually seeing that the Gen Zs now actually want to move away from constantly being on devices and phones and online.
They actually want to make connections in real life.
Yeah, no, no, good take.
I agree and love the Louis Vuitton mention
that I can't pronounce it that way.
So appreciate for incorporating that
in the conversation this morning.
All that said, appreciate all of our guests.
I would not think we'd go this deep on gaming this morning,
but as I said, here for it and might bust out
some old school games this weekend
if I can complete the move in time.
That said, without further ado, I do want to bring up our special guest here in just a second.
Before we do so, if you could ask for just a quick reset, as always, welcome to Coffee.
We do go live 8 a.m. Eastern, Monday through Friday.
And so every once in a while, we're fortunate to have a special guest join us around the 9 o'clock hour
that is pushing the space forward.
This next one is no different and really doing some exciting things in Spain
of all places as far as talking tokenization and bringing real world financials on chain,
and especially when it comes to the business world and excited to dive deep here. But if you
haven't done this already, give us some love on the space. We've got a few hundred of you
over on YouTube and the video feeds. Great greatly appreciate that love seeing the the lift in the video if you don't mind hitting the spaces
remind or the spaces repost up top would appreciate that uh to get a full spaces crowd for our special
guest i'm gonna bring up adam or i'm sorry excuse me albert uh with b token here in a second and um
looking forward to the convo uh albert g, welcome to the stage. Welcome to Coffee with Captain.
Before we jump into all things Btoken, I'm curious.
I know you're going to hear a little bit of that
gaming conversation. Any
thoughts, comments, anything you wanted to add to that
before we jump into all things Btoken this morning?
Hello.
GM, welcome.
Really happy to stay here.
I think that it's true that nowadays there are a lot of people talking that Well, welcome. Really happy to stay here.
I think that it's true that nowadays there are a lot of people talking that everything is possible to tokenize.
But I think that it's very important to check it and think what do you want to tokenize and why? Because if you cannot create any value or give any profit to the investors,
maybe the people don't want to buy these tokens.
Yeah, and perfect segue into Btoken for when you talk about giving value to investors,
doing exactly that.
Before we jump into all that you're doing with Btoken,
do you mind giving us a little bit of background on yourself
and maybe whether you want to talk about what led you to Btoken
or even more so, I'm curious, with all that you've done,
feel free to share anything you'd like on your background and the self-brands.
And then what led you to on-chain?
What led you to crypto and Web3?
Yeah, of course. I'm Albert Pratt. I'm the founder from Bissell Brands.
Bissell Brands is an e-commerce that I set up in 2008, a long time ago.
I started to buy online in 2003, a really long time ago, 22 years ago.
And this is the reason why at the end I created an e-commerce company.
Nowadays we have five different brands, one of them is Greencut,
it's power tools and tools for the garden like chainsaws,
brood scooters, landmowers. Another brand is FitFew Fitness.
It's a home user fitness like treadmills, spinning bikes,
all these kind of items. The third brand is Mac House, it's a furniture for home.
And the last two brands are Billum and Plaking, are toys for children.
And I started to invest in Web3, in in eight, around eight years ago.
And at the end, I saw many projects that they didn't do anything. They only made a good marketing,
but at the end they disappeared. But during all this time, I lose some money in some of them because I invested.
And one of the things that I like a lot from the Web3 wall of blockchain
is the community that can create if you make it a great job, I think.
And this is the reason why I start to think to tokenize all the equity from the company.
I started thinking about it in 2020, but there weren't any regulation.
And for me, this is quite important.
Why? Because the regulation is quite hard filter
that you can use like a guarantee to the investors.
Because nowadays we are the first company in Europe
that we tokenize all the equity
from the company.
We are regulated under the CNP and was crazy hard to do it.
The regulators are really strict.
But I think that it's really good. Why? Because if you have the approval from the regulator, you have
big guarantees. The regulator approved us. Why? Because we are a company that we set
up in 2008, 17 years ago. Our company is audited from 10 or 12 years ago. We are selling more than 20 millions per year.
And it's quite hard, quite big company.
This is the reason why the regulator give us the approval.
I love it.
Yeah.
And I think that the blockchain, it's really good way and it's the future, maybe
the present for the companies and the people that want to invest.
Why?
Because it's transparent, it's much more efficient than the normal stock market.
You know, when you want to invest in any company, you need to wait maybe two or three days for the company to receive the money.
And when you want to recuperate the investment, you need to wait at least three days.
If you use blockchain, it's immediate.
Let's start in that two seconds.
Very, very cool.
Excited to dive into this, Grader.
And if you just got to put up on screen here, those brands you mentioned, Greencut, FitFew,
I may be pronouncing that incorrectly, McHouse, Beelum, and Plaken, five brands in the ecosystem.
You can see 16 years, 10 years, six years, eight years, eight years.
You mentioned you've worked with the regulators.
You've got this to be able to launch in a compliant manner.
You're based in Spain.
You mentioned Europe.
Is this, we'll talk about the sale here in a minute.
Is this eligible for anyone throughout Europe?
Is it just Spain?
Help us understand, like, who is able to participate in this today.
Yeah, we have the warehouse, the big warehouse,
15,000 square meters in Tarragona, very close to Barcelona.
And we are selling in all Europe through different marketplaces like eBay, Amazon, Teddy's Cam,
Leroy Merlin, Decardon, depending from the brand and the country.
So what, I guess, like a lot of work goes into this, I mean, at any point, let alone
when you're innovating and doing things differently and working with these regulators to be one of the first to do this,
if not the first, why go this route?
What motivated you to tokenize the entire equity of Bself brands
as opposed to going the more traditional route,
whether it be an IPO or other vehicles?
What motivated you to go the tokenization route here?
Yeah, it's because you can take at the moment since now, there were three ways.
One, you can go to the banks and ask for a credit, but the banks are really limited.
You can find venture capital, but the venture capital when coming in a company, they want to sell in maybe four, five years,
maximum six.
And some of the times,
I don't know if I did correct,
the venture capital must be that the founders
sell it to the project, the company.
And this is not my idea.
And this, or you can put the company in the normal stock market.
But it's really expensive. If you want to put the company in the stock market, the total annual cost is more than 600,000 euros per year.
And if you want to put the company in the market using blockchain technology, the cost is reduced around 90%. Yeah, it's true that I had to pay a big cost for pass all the regulations, but this is
the cost for only one time, only for the initial time.
I spent around 100,000 euros for pass all the legal regulations. But after that, all the transactions are directed
between the company and the investors.
You don't need any bank or you don't need brokers.
And all these things reduce a lot of the cost.
Yeah, and you mentioned the community early on.
Did that play a role in going this route as well?
Because while it's early, I have to imagine, too, that...
And I know, sure, some public companies can get a cult following.
You might think of Apple or Tesla or some of these that have built really rabid fan bases
that also become brand ambassadors relatively quickly.
I don't think that's the norm.
Whereas in crypto and in on-chain communities, don't think that's the norm. Whereas in crypto and
on-chain communities, I do think it's the norm. How much of a role did the community element play
in this path forward? Yeah, I think that the companies that have a great community,
they increase the sales much more faster. Like Apple, Apple has a big community
and the people that use Apple,
they only want to buy the new one
and a new one and always Apple.
But the community don't have anything from Apple.
In this case, if you can tokenize the company
and you have a community and they invest, they will have profit like you.
They have more things if they invest, not only your items.
In our case, we have more than 200,000 followers in instagram and some other places and nowadays all these people can invest in
our company if they work why because the investment ticket is not so big it's the people can invest
only 100 euros why they can invest 100 euros because Because the cost is really cheap for the company in the market using blockchain.
Very cool. So low ticket, they can invest for as little as 100 euros. What comes with that?
Let's just strengthen why would someone be interested.
They're hearing about Btoken or Bself brands for the first time today.
B token or Bself brands for the first time today.
The fact that it is tied into real businesses, multiple, not just one, but a family of five
brands that already have real customers, they've been in business for many years, some over
a decade.
You mind getting through a couple of these other things, like not just the dividends,
but I know we've just connected here recently, thanks to our friends over at Reach Network.
Just the concept of loyalty rewards on-chain and next-generation loyalty rewards and what this might unlock.
I've been a proponent of FANA for quite some time.
We talked yesterday about the REC drinks.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with REC brands, but they had another drink drop sellout yesterday.
Part of the reason is they've incorporated on-chain loyalty and token rewards for those
purchasers.
So, do you mind kind of hitting through?
I don't know if you can see the screen share pulled up here, not just the real business,
but talk about these dividends a little bit.
And then I am really curious to see what your vision is or hear about your vision around
what makes the B token different from traditional loyalty programs or even typical Web3 tokens and how you see that unfolding?
The first and the biggest difference is B tokens are directly the shares from Viseur brands from the company.
Now the shares from the company are digital, are B tokens.
the shares from the company are digital, are B tokens.
And all the people that invest, that have B tokens, are owners from the company.
And they will have dividends, they will participate in all the strategic decisions from the company. And for example, for the first year, we guarantee the first 10% profit for the new investors.
Why?
Because we want that have enough time for sharing with all of them all their results
that we will have in less than one year.
Very interesting.
And you're able to do that because, again, existing brands,
established businesses, existing revenue.
It's not like, hey, we hope to generate $49 million this year.
You've got existing businesses doing these lines of business already.
I should have disclaimer early, this, you know,
Bissell and Albert here based in Spain, talking Europe,
as with anything on this show, never any financial advice.
Do your own research, both on the company as well as where you're located.
As far as are you able to participate? Are you eligible?
I'm excited. I'm hopeful and optimistic. This becomes the norm in all regions and all, you know, all regulated governing authorities in the future.
I think we've seen this kind of a second wave of ICOs. And I know there's some teams making
some changes and attempting to do some things differently there. You know, for all the reasons
you mentioned, I do think this could very well be, maybe it's not the right path for all brands
and businesses, but certainly for some and for all these reasons, not just the lower cost, but the ability to work more directly with your supporters, your users to kind of reduce some of the friction.
And it doesn't come easy, though.
There is, you know, the regulatory stuff that you've already solved for and figured out.
Let me ask you this.
So what do you think, like, how does this, if it does, maybe I'm speculating here, but
how do you think B token helps you move forward, fast forward six months a year?
How do you think this helps?
Maybe not a moat is the right word, but provide, you know, a competitive advantage over other
e-commerce platforms,
especially those not coming on chain, not building in this manner.
Do you feel it gives you an advantage there?
And if so, what sort of edge when you're talking about other more traditional e-commerce companies?
Yeah, I think that we have 17 years, our company is quite old and I think that we have a great experience.
And one of the biggest things is that we cannot cover the demand, the actual demand that we have from our customers.
For example, nowadays we can cover around five to six months
the total annual demand that we have.
And it's really easy to check it
because the people can use the public apps
like Kipa in Amazon.
And with Kipa, you can check the stock
that have any brand or any item.
And an external company made an analysis
and they take it using GIPA
and they saw it really well that we can cover
only five or six months the annual demand.
If we can cover the 12 months,
our sales increase around 80 or 85% in less than one year.
And this is our first goal.
Our first goal is to have enough stock to cover the actual demand.
And the next goal will be to push ourselves in the biggest European market that is Germany.
Germany is five times bigger than Spain.
It's three times bigger than France.
Actually, my market is France.
It's not Spain.
We are a Spanish company, but Spanish is not our main market.
Okay, interesting.
I do have Oxy on stage here.
I'm going to ask a question he asked in the chat. And then if after you answer, Oxy, if you want to get in here with
any follow ups, feel free to do so. I'm sure Albert would would be glad to answer. This is
something that just give you the background Oxy's talked about many times, he's been very bearish
tokens that come from companies that because there's no equity, there isn't things.
And, you know, I hope you don't mind me sharing Oxy, but he actually really seems like a really interesting idea for tokenized equity.
I wish you could understand how they structured it.
There's also, I guess, a follow up question to that is I do see it's a fully regulated product under the CNMV.
Can you, I guess, first maybe answer that?
That is the Spanish regulatory, I guess, organization.
Is that accurate?
Yeah, it's the commercial.
It's the same regulation that have to pass a company that want to put the shares in a stock market.
Okay, yes.
It's exactly the same regulation.
It's European regulation.
Yeah.
Google tells me Spain's national securities market commissions.
So do you mind, to Oxy's point there, Oxy's question,
do you mind explain how, like, kind of the structure there,
and what is this great in concept, great in theory,
we're moving towards more opportunities for fans, supporters to become investors and support these
growing businesses. Can you speak a little bit to the structure and I guess more specifically,
what's that mean for a token holder? What utility or what access, I think in passing you mentioned
even like governance or voting rights. Is this, I mean, is it, I don't want to downplay it, but is it a very, is it the same or very
similar to shares in a company, shares of a publicly traded company?
It's exactly the same. Bitokens are directly the shares from the company. Nowadays, the document from the company tells that our shares are digital shares,
shares represented by security tokens.
And nowadays, our shares are digital, are B tokens.
And are limited.
In total, we have 18 million shares, and we will block 15 million because we want to protect the
investors.
We don't want the price from the share will go down when we will add in the market.
We want to add in the public market in some exchanges at the end of June.
And we want to protect the investors.
Why?
Because we invest in many projects
and we saw all the bad things that they made.
And the first thing is they put all the tokens
on the market when they add in the public market and the price went down.
And this is the first thing that I want to protect.
The second thing is this protection is during the next four years.
We block it. It's not possible to sell any other B-token.
There will be in total three million
bitcoin on the market another protection is um we will create a own liquidity pool with half a
million euros and 200 000 b tokens why because uh it it's true that the blockchain is really efficient, but if
don't have liquidity in the market, the investors cannot sell. This is the reason why we want to
create a liquidity pool. And all these things are in all the documents public documents all these documents
have been by the regulator and all these documents are audited we cannot change it yeah it's very
important i know for a while early on especially like in the meme world people would look at like
oh the team controls too much supply too much of the token. That's, that's a negative, that's a red flag. The
reality is, if you're building a real business, it benefits not only the company, but the
holders as well, especially, I should say the supporters, those that are really along
for the ride, and they want to see this thing grow. And they want to see they're not in
it just for a quick flip. I do think token supply control and a lot of that being held back by the company
is very important. Are there plans to, with the supply that the company's going to hold,
is there plans, is that being locked up for a period of time? What are the plans with that?
Do you plan to buy back more token? Can you speak to more like the bself brands and and b tokens what what
are your plans for the token what that you're holding at launch as well as again any token
buybacks or what's the future look like as far as it relates to how how b self brands is going to be
trading the token yeah um in the market will be only three million B tokens are limited and we want to add in the public market at the end of June.
And we don't want that the investors block the security tokens.
We want that the investors stay because we have a good result with the investment that we have.
This is the reason why we will give 10% profit, guaranteed profit,
to the people that stayed the first year. Because in this way, we will have enough time
for sharing all the results, audited results, to all the investors.
If you can show to the investors that your business is growing like you,
they will want to stay.
They don't want to sell.
I think that it's important that the people stay or buy something
because they want, not force it.
Totally, totally get it.
Oxy, not to put you on the spot, but any, any,
I hope I answered your question.
Any, any follow-up questions or anything,
anything else you want to ask about,
since we got you on stage?
I know this is a topic near and dear to your heart.
It is definitely a topic near and dear to my heart.
No, I appreciate, I appreciate the response. It is definitely a topic near and dear in my heart.
No, I appreciate the response. And so I guess something that I'm curious about is,
like you're obviously talking about liquidity pools
and allowing for investors or people that hold the tokens
to have a way to swap or get cash out if they need to.
So I guess my question to you is how liquid can it actually be when there's KYC parameters
that you need to worry about or equity stakes in these companies, right?
So if you're looking at a publicly traded company,
you typically trade through like a brokerage account, whether it's something else.
And you've had to go through that entire KYC process and all kinds of things. So when I go
and I want to sell my NVIDIA, even though that is equity stake in the company, they don't have
to worry about doing the whole KYC process and all of that kind of a thing. So I'm curious, maybe this is a little bit tough to get a handle on,
but for a blockchain and a token-based equity model,
is it really challenging to allow people to have liquid investments with equity like this. Like if I'm swapping, you know, this token to ether
to something else, and then someone else picks it up
from the liquidity pool, you have to go process again.
So is that difficult?
Is that challenging to balance the two there?
I'm not sure if you cut all that, Albert.
Oxy was cutting in and out a little bit,
but did you catch the question?
I'm not sure if you cut all that, Albert. Oxy was cutting in and out a little bit, but did you catch the question? I'm not sure about that.
Yeah, I'll try to summarize.
Basically, how are you – because you're saying KYC is required for the initial sale, right?
If someone wants to get in, they need full KYC to be compliant.
How then do you balance that after the fact when – if someone's swapping the token for say ETH on Uniswap or is it restricted
where the token can trade? How does it work, I guess, secondary after the initial sale? How do
you balance KYC and being fully compliant with someone who might buy this on the secondary from
a DEX like Uniswap? Yes, at the moment, at the beginning,
it's quite restriving because we are regulated by the CNB
and our platform is outdated by them
and have to create the wallets
and you must be past the KYC before making an investment.
And it's important that the exchange has the MIFID 2 license.
At the moment Kraken have it, OKEx have it and B2Me from Spain will have it really soon in less than two months.
And this is quite good because all these exchanges when you come in or when you resisted,
you will have to pass the KYC and all the people that use those exchanges will have the KYC and all the people that use those those exchanges and we have the KYC and in this way all the people can swap or
cancel and buy the security tokens.
Very good. So Kraken you mentioned B2B in Spain what was the other one?
I missed the other one.
OKX. OK, got it. Yep. Yep.
I'm really happy. But I think that the exchange that they want to create the market, the stock market for the security tokens in Europe will be a bit to me.
There are some of them in Germany that they already have the Miki too, but are not really big exchange.
And my idea is add B token in exchange quite big. I want that they have at least 5 million users
because if not, it will be difficult
that the Bitcoin have good liquidity.
Makes sense, makes sense.
Oxy, does that help?
Any follow-up?
That was just a great thing.
Yeah, appreciate the response and appreciate you taking a shot here.
This is a big swing and certainly doing things differently.
I am optimistic that we see not just other companies in Spain adopt this and take this to market.
I'd love to see this in the U.S.
I'd love to see this throughout Europe.
I'd love to see this in Canada and any fill in the blank, name the US. I'd love to see this throughout Europe. I'd love to see this in Canada and any, you know, fill in the blank, name the region. I just, the reality is not everyone can qualify to become an
accredited investor. Not everyone is, is yeah, IPOs can make sense for, you know, large companies
that are, that are growing a hundred billion dollar, billion dollar brands. I think for your,
and not, not saying that, you know, $50 million a year is a small business, but for those that are not going to go public the traditional route, I would love a way to be able to participate.
That's not just a friends and family round.
That's not just a – some of the investment vehicles we see today.
I'd love to see more opportunity to participate on chain.
And so I do appreciate you doing things differently and pushing this forward. I'm
hoping others follow suit. What's your thoughts on that? Do you think other governing, whether,
again, the one in Spain that we're referencing here is CNMV, do you see other regulatory
governing bodies following suit here? Do you think, how soon, I guess, should I say, do you see other regulatory governing bodies following suit here?
Do you think, how soon, I guess, should I say,
do you see other regions allowing similar token sales like this?
Yeah, I'm sure that in 2026 this year,
will appear many companies in the market that will do it.
I know that last year, the regulator didn't approve some companies.
I think that because they don't have enough or maybe they don't pass the audits because
the regulator made a really strict audits from the company. I'm curious on those audits. How much
of that is, are they auditing just purely your financial documents,
your financials, or are they actually auditing
like the smart contract and the token?
When you say these audits, how deep and on what is it?
Just the financial statements and the traditional financials
or is it the smart contract or both?
No, no, no, no, no.
The regulator made a really deep update.
They want to check all the results from the, your,
I think that was the last five years.
And they check the value from the security token.
They want that the value from the security token it's the value of your company makes sense
yeah they made that really quick and really good I mean and I guess as they should right it's
especially when it's I mean not just when it new, but they should be taking this stuff seriously,
doing these deep audits.
Like if not, if they go, you know, the shortcut,
it's likely to, you know, sooner or later,
someone's going to take advantage of that
and give this opportunity likely, you know,
a bad taste or a bad reputation,
but doing things the right way,
doing these deep audits and ensuring compliance
is, you know, I think the only way to go forward,
at least as things are early.
A couple more questions.
I appreciate your time today.
I know we're keeping it a little longer than initially planned, but I do appreciate your
willingness to jump on, answer these questions.
Again, shout out to our friends over at Reach for setting this one up.
What are you, like right now, for those that are tuning in, obviously you've got the token
sale going on.
That is, again, btoken.io.
Also, the official account, there's two of them pinned up top.
There is btoken underscore io, which is the the original account that's primarily going to be Spanish speaking.
And then btoken underscore global for our English-speaking
audience fans. As you mentioned, the allocation is just under 3 million tokens, minimally
100 bucks, tokenized real shares, ownership in five proven e-commerce brands, regulated under
MIFID 2 and Law 6-2023, and supervised by an authorized ESI. No single party can change or falsify the ownership.
This is regulated STO built on real revenue, real brands, and real long-term ownership. That gets
me excited. Early owners are securing their place in Europe's first fully tokenized company. Very
exciting. Other than go support us, go buy the token if you're interested, what is your ask?
Other than that, are you outside of the token sale?
Are you raising? Are you hiring? Are you looking for partners?
If someone's listening and they got excited about this, whether conceptually or really excited about your family of brands,
where else might they be able to participate or what are you looking for?
Yeah, our first goal is to create a community.
And our second goal is to make a capital increase
or push our growth.
Because it's really hard for me, or it's heavy,
that we cannot cover the annual sales.
I don't know how to explain this feeling.
Got it.
So the community side, where do you have a Discord, a Telegram?
If they wanted to join the conversation,
they had follow-up questions.
Is it your X account?
What's the best place for those that are interested
in jumping in that community?
Where should they go or what should they look for
after the show today?
Yeah, I think that the best place is Telegram.
Okay.
And the reason why we want to create a great community is, for example,
if you want to develop a new item and you have feedback from your customers
that they invest in the company,
well, maybe you will create really good items.
How much of your, and I mean, maybe too early to tell for sure,
but, you know, how much do you expect the token buyers, the pre-sale participants,
how much of that do you expect to come from your
existing fan base, your existing customer base versus how much do you expect to come from,
you know, the crypto natives? I'm guessing it's like early on will be a, you know, a lot of
crypto natives, but I'm curious and you're like, what do you think will happen? And then what's
your ideal outcome, just specific to the token presaleale if you were to put a percentage on it how much of that do you think will come from your existing we'll say web 2 or or existing
customer base existing fan base compared to the crypto natives who are hearing about p token from
like whether on this show or other you know on x or other uh you know other media outlets
uh uh i think that 80 percent from the investment at the moment comes from people that comes from
WeWeb 2.
But when I create, I thought that 90% from the investors comes from Web3. Why?
Because we create all these B tokens and we convert all the equity from the company in
security tokens.
Because I invested in Web3 during a long time and I'm maybe not very, but a little, yeah, maybe very, I'm very tired to see many projects, 99% from the reason that we created and when we create
we thought maybe a lot of people from Web3 will invest because it's a real company, it's
a project and this is the reason why itokenize my company, the shares from my company, because the people,
the lawyers, when I start to check it, they told me, oh yeah, you can go to Switzerland and you can
make it in less than three days. No, I want to tokenize my company. Yes, but you know, it's really
strict because the regulatory in Spain is really hard to pass.
Yes, but I want to make it.
Why?
Because if anyone wants to check my company, my company happened 17 years ago.
All the people can check our brands in Amazon, in eBay, in many marketplaces.
And it's really easy to check if it's a real company or not.
If you create a new company, the people can think that it's a scam.
Yeah.
No, I, again, appreciate you doing it the right way.
And I, too, would have expected the same.
I would have expected like 80%, 90% crypto natives, Web3.
I think it's exciting that a lot of your existing,
I mean, it speaks to the power of your brands, right?
If you've got a customer base that is not crypto native and yet they want to participate in this,
I think that's a really good indicator of that support.
And I'm guessing those are also people
who they're probably not looking for some sort of quick flip
in days or
weeks or a month. Rather, they see this as an opportunity to be a part of, to own tokens and
by proxy equity in this family of brands. They like their products. They're active customers.
They're active users. And I do think this really will play into loyalty and goodwill and brand awareness as we move forward.
I'm rooting for not just Bself and Btoken.
I'm rooting for any other businesses and brands that attempt to go forward with this approach.
new vehicle that I'm hopeful and optimistic that more regulatory environments, more government
agencies decide to get behind and support and help push forward. But we don't get here if not
for leaders like yourself taking some big swings and doing things differently. So on behalf of all
of us, appreciate you doing hard things and doing things differently and allowing your fans and
supporters to be along for the ride.
And, you know, best case scenario, fast forward another decade or another 16 years,
they can look back and be like, wow, you know, I was not only was I a customer,
but not only did I get like a loyalty program or some points that I could go redeem for other product,
but actually be able to participate in the upside of the business that you're building is exciting for me as a lifelong entrepreneur.
I do genuinely hope we see more and more of this.
And I, um, I guess that said, and, and this is the, the office from the company.
This is a real company.
I love it.
Beautiful office.
Uh, where, where, uh, you're in Spain now, is that right?
Where, um, what city or what, What city? Where's the home base?
In Tarragona.
It's 40 minutes from Barcelona.
Okay.
This is the entrance.
Oh, wow.
Got to have a slide.
I love that.
Someday I'll show, I'll drop a video in the...
I don't know if you're familiar with Otterbox, the phone case company?
Yeah.
Are you familiar with Otterbox, the phone case company? Yeah. Are you familiar with Otterbox, the phone cases?
Yeah.
So your office reminds me of theirs.
They've got a really cool modern office in Fort Collins, Colorado.
It's the only time I've been down a slide at a corporate office
was the Otterbox headquarters,
but your facility reminds me a lot of theirs.
Love to see you.
Appreciate the ad hoc tour. Albert, is there anything I haven't asked you this morning, anything
that you were hoping to share with our audience or hoping to get out there and make people
aware of, whether it be about Bself brands or the B token or, again, anything we haven't
asked that you were hoping to share today?
No, I think that I'm sure that it's a present or the future that all the people start to invest
in in security tokens because you have a more safety or i don't know that invest in tokens that
tokens that don't have anything.
And if anyone has any question or anything else,
they can contact me directly by LinkedIn or by Telegram.
It's really easy to find me.
Awesome.
I appreciate that.
Where is the best place to find the link to Telegram?
Is that on one of the
x accounts or where can we send people if they want to jump in telegram and ask more questions
or get more information uh if they want to ask me directly they can find me in linkedin okay maybe
or in telegram because i mean inside the community and and any people have any questions, I reply.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Appreciate that.
I will say X is having issues.
Twitter outages.
The thing spiked up.
I've seen a lot of people in the war room say X crashed on them.
They can't get back in.
So appreciate everyone powering through.
Appreciate those that moved over to video this morning.
Apologies for the, I don't know what's going on with x but uh we couldn't get out of the co-host seat and uh
yeah apparently zane just shared the actual uh outages are are spiking something like 25 000
uh in the last hour here people have uh uh notated that twitter or x is down so uh if you got choppy
or i guess you probably can't hear if you're on x trying to figure it out
i would say head over to youtube we would the replay will be live the podcast goes live this
afternoon as well and uh always you can always find those recordings youtube has become the most
reliable source of uh of our live show it's i can't i don't think it's went down once on this
pain we'll chat about that after the show maybe but uh yeah appreciate everyone powering through
apologies for the issues with x this morning, some of that stuff outside of our
control, but really enjoyed the conversation, Albert, I am, they said rooting for you. And
truly, we're very fortunate on the show. Often we have we do have founders and, and CEOs and
presidents that were we talked about they're pushing the space forward. And this is one where
it's not lost on me that we opened the show today talking about a former mayor of New York
City, rugging a meme coin, not doing any good and debatable
doing harm to the industry and giving it more of a poor
reputation. I do think it's this sort of stuff of business
leaders doing things the right way, working with regulators
in helping forge ahead, quite literally push the space forward
and make new vehicles for
opportunities for your fans, your supporters to participate and be along for the ride,
creating win-win type scenarios without having to look at traditional IPOs and or accredited
investor routes. So really appreciate what you're doing from a just a high level
industry standpoint. We need to see more of this, in my opinion.
I would love to see more of this.
Not even kidding.
Oxy has been often very critical of companies that tease tokens or launch tokens when they have shares.
Or it's like, what does this brand coin do for me?
Because there's no equity.
There's nothing tied to it.
There's no dividend.
There's like, why would I hold this thing? And you're, you're answering those questions. And, uh, again, doing,
doing things, you know, the hard way, you know, it's, it's, it's never easy when, when you're
the first to do something, uh, especially when you're doing it in a compliant way and just much
respect, greatly appreciate, you know, you're doing things this way and excited too. I've been,
Spain is not yet one I've traveled to.
I did the Greek Isles cruise a few years ago.
Like, okay, next time I'm coming back,
I'm doing the same thing,
but I'm going the other direction
and hitting Barcelona and some others.
So when I do make it over there,
I would love to come visit
and take a ride down that slide
and see the rest of your operation there.
Yeah, of course, for sure.
Awesome.
Well, again, thanks so much for your time today. I do appreciate it. For sure. Awesome. Well, again, thanks so much
for your time today.
I do appreciate it.
I apologize for keeping you
longer than intended,
but really enjoyed the conversation
and truly, really interested
and intrigued about
what you're building.
Any closing thoughts
or final words
before we let you get out of here?
No, thank you for everything.
Thank you for all the people
for staying here.
And anything else, if you want to ask me anything, for free.
Awesome. I would certainly appreciate it.
Again, the Btoken and the Btoken Global accounts,
both those are pinned up top.
Go give those a follow.
Go social support.
Even if you're not able or interested in participating in the pre-sale, I think this is the sort of leaders, more leaders like Albert and
his team in crypto will go a long way towards pushing things forward and helping others
consider alternatives to the traditional investment paths, be it IPOs, traditional equities, stock,
IPOs, traditional equities, stock, etc.
I know Coinbase made their move with the ICO platform
and they've done Monad.
They've talked about others.
I do think that some sort of combination of ICOs meets this,
what Albert and team are building here,
where the token represents more than just a speculative token based on brand or goodwill, this gets me really excited. And, you know, we've got comments
in the chat like, okay, this is, you know, we've been talking about a luxury boutique hotel in
Costa Rica. And, and it was like, how can I, how can I do this for this? How can I do what you're
doing to help raise funds for, you know, a new venture? And while I think that could become a reality in the future, I think right now it's to get us to that point, it's probably going to take brands like Bissell and what it's established.
You've got not just one company, but in this case, five that are a known thing.
You do have history.
You do have a customer base.
It's not some, oh, this concept might work.
This might scale and actually generate real revenues.
You're already doing the thing.
And now you're giving your fans and supporters an opportunity to participate as well.
And it gets me excited.
So truly appreciate you.
Thanks for joining us today.
Appreciate all your time.
And don't be a stranger.
I'm not kidding.
I'll hit you up when I do make the trip to Spain.
And we'd love to come visit the facility there.
Oh, sure. Send me something, please. Awesome. Thanks again, Albert. Appreciate your time today. Have a great one.
And, um, until next time we will, we'll talk to you soon.
Good luck with the rest of the presale and, uh,
we will definitely be following along and we'll provide everyone here an
update, uh, as things move forward, but thanks again for your time today.
Greatly appreciate it. And, um,
a couple other topics we may hit on here this morning. We've got a few minutes left before we get everyone
out of here beyond the conversation here with Albert and Btoken. I mentioned early on today
about the co-work. I just wanted to at least fly over that. We're probably not going to, we're not going to get into the deep conversation about vibe coding on today's show per se, but we will, we will, we will look at at least, at least show if you missed it. I think it's noteworthy. I'm going to pin it up top. And I would encourage everyone to go check out because I think some of you might have been intimidated by vibe coding or a terminal.
And while I'm not the, I'm not vibe coding day in and day out. I do have, you know, I use AI every
single day. I'm just not in there building games and dApps and, and others. A, I haven't like,
I'm not in the mode where I'm trying to, like, build some viral app that I can just pump out hundreds at a time and go to, you know, launch in the App Store and hope I catch lightning in a bottle.
So my time with agents and what I might even consider vibe coding them for, it's just I haven't had a real need per se.
I haven't had a real need per se.
But this might change things because this, I think, makes it for, you know, the everyday man, if you will, or woman, a lot more accessible and easy to use.
Like there's no more terminal.
It really is a Web2-esque user interface.
I'll share the video here on a screen in a second,
then we'll wrap if there's any, any questions, comments, or if anyone's used it, I have not went
deep on it. I did go to the site and played around a little bit, but have not have not done a deep
dive by any means. Let me let me do a quick screen share here. I'll play this video and then we'll
see if there's any questions, any comments, and then we will let everyone get out of here and on with their Tuesday.
This is the announcement that came out yesterday from Claude, introducing Coork.
Claude, code for the rest of your work.
Coork lets you complete non-technical tasks, much like how developers use Claude code.
I don't... Thank you. So
pretty slick pretty excited to experiment a little myself i'm not sure if everyone caught
that i did pin it up top if anyone wants to catch the video or go experiment on your own uh we we
will um i'm not sure when but we'll probably do a deeper dive on vibe coding i feel like i'm uh
sacrilegious not to for as much as it has taken over what used to be crypto Twitter.
Oxy, go ahead and get in here. And then if anyone else has any questions, comments,
whether it be on self, on vibe coding, on the Eric Adams rug, anything we've talked about today,
feel free to drop those questions to the chat or come up on stage here. We've got a few minutes
left. Oxy, go ahead. Yeah, so I've done a little bit of vibe coding um as is I mean if you're on CT you have
to right in some way shape or form but this this whole um deployment that they're talking about is
it is it live did you say that uh yeah I don't think it is live yet right I thought it might be
I'll double check very well it could. Regardless, this feels like when people are talking about agentic AI,
where you can just ask it to do things and it'll just go ahead and do it for you.
Obviously, with something like Cursor or Winsurf,
which is like these vibe coding programs that you can get on your computer,
give them access to certain files,
and then I can go through and do and code things
and like do things on your desktop.
This feels much more agentic
than anything that we've seen before.
And what makes me excited about this is like,
previously you could like code something
that would do this for you theoretically,
but it was probably more complex than most people could do, you know, could work through.
It was more, yeah, I don't know, like technical or like code heavy to where like you really could screw up a lot of things.
like exactly what you were saying, like the dumbed down version of my coding,
where like even myself, who has no coding background,
could like work through agentic things like it was kind of showing in that screen.
So it's like setting up a site, helping prepare a deck.
Like all those things were separate things before,
and it seems like they're all coming together into one thing.
And by, I mean, by the timeline and by what
like me talking to people it sounds like claude is is the the front runner when it comes to this
type of um when it comes to this type of like agentic uh encoding um models so i don't know
i'm excited for this i think this is going to be really interesting it makes me want to get a
makes me want to get a subscription
to Cloud Code and just
see what's going on there.
I agree.
I think that might be
part of the upgrade. I think you might have
to pay to get access to Cloud
to get access to this new feature.
I'm not certain. I will share
I do think it's live. Maybe not.
Here's an example from Chubby says,
this is the magic I've been waiting for,
what AI can do.
Quote, there's a video of a squirrel
somewhere in the folder, convert it to an MP4.
Anthropic did it, CUA will finally become useful.
This is a historic moment.
I mean, while that may be a silly example,
it's, this is, my understanding. This is Claude
co-work that we just talked about that did this. He just in using plain English, there's a video
of a squirrel somewhere in this folder, please find it and convert it to an MP4. And it did it
like maybe a silly example. Like, and then you started thinking, what else could i ask this thing to do
it's i don't say it's limitless but man the world is changing and it's going to change
very very fast in fact i saw another chart let me see if i can pull it up here uh i will
i will show you this because i think it really hit home and shows, oh, you're going to love,
Joey's going to love who it came from.
I didn't realize it was courtesy of this individual.
But the Vibe coder himself, Frank Degod, shared this.
That's where it hit my timeline.
It says AI intelligence here right now.
The lines up top, you can see dumb humans.
Slightly above that is Einstein. So the
smartest, you know, one of the smartest humans ever. We're all pretty close. AI today is between
somewhere between an ant and a bird, then a chimp. And in almost no time, it's going to go straight
vertical, and just simply be far, much far more intelligent than than any of us. And this this is
the other post here from gout who says, 2026 is the year everyone realizes
AI crossed the chasm from being a fun tool to a real way to 100x your skills, productivity,
and output. And I couldn't agree more. Could you already do some of this today? Yeah, you could.
It's just, it's for those of us that are here like the the tech forward individuals that those
that are that the early adopters those that do experiment with cutting edge and early tech
it's now reached a point or or very close to this point where if you can type if you can speak
language you're going to be able to get these agents the these LLMs to do almost whatever you can think up. And I do truly
think like the error of the idea guys, the idea gals is upon us. The limitations that you might
have had previously because you weren't creative or you couldn't program or couldn't code,
it's quickly gone by the wayside. And even if you don't want to think about, oh, I don't have a
desire to build an app.
If you just start thinking about how much more productive and efficient
you can be in your everyday life
for things that you do today,
just that example of,
hey, I have a swirl picture.
I can't find it.
Search isn't working.
I didn't name the file.
It's just, the file name is image.01.
Please find that and turn it into an MP4.
That might take you hours of hunting
and searching and pecking.
If you've got thousands of photos on your machine,
like the ability just to do that stuff is pretty, pretty incredible.
And I think it does unlock a whole new era of creativity.
I've not talked about Grok getting picked up by the military.
We did get some more, I guess, breaking news this morning.
And then we will get everyone out of here.
This hot off the desk from Coindesk and DJ News, CoinGecko weighs sale for around $500 million. Crypto data platform CoinGecko weighs sale for around $500 million. The crypto market data firm has hired an investment bank as deal making across the sector accelerates.
accelerates. Interesting. I mean, awesome for CoinGecko. I just, I would be kind of shocking
to me that CoinGecko could fetch half a billion dollars. Not that they've done that yet, but
it does say the bullet points here, the possible deal comes as crypto M&A activity has accelerated
sharply with disclosed transactions reaching about 8.6 billion across the record, 133 deals in 2025.
I would have not guessed that. I would have not guessed there was 133 deals last year. That itself is somewhat shocking to me.
I thought all the VC in crypto had moved on to AI, and apparently that is not the case.
and apparently that is not the case.
The crypto market data firm
seeking to get an evaluation
of around 500 million
and they've hired MOLUS.
I'm not familiar.
I'm sure the investment bankers out there
is probably a known name,
but yeah, it'll be interesting
to see how this plays out.
Might it kick off a M&A season in crypto?
Might it bring some VC money back to crypto
after the rush to AI? Here's some
major deals last year, including Coinbase's acquisition of Darabit for $2.9 billion.
We also know Coinbase acquired Echo from Kobe for, was that about a half a billion, I think?
$450 million, $400 million, something like that. Kraken's acquisition of $1.5 billion purchase of NinjaTrader.
Wild, I'm just hearing that.
But this could get exciting.
It could kick off, especially if something like, and I'm not knocking CoinGecko.
It's just, if you would have said what crypto firm is likely to sell for half a billion dollars in 2026 that would have not been my first guess but i will double down on my take that i think openc has an opportunity to lean more into their
their data and reporting i know it's a they're heading towards an everything app i know they
come from the nft marketplace background or nft marketplace world which is still one of the one
of their core products but as they lean more and more into tokens i'm just i mean i i've told steve if they
had a if if i could get the same charts that i can get on coin market cap on openc i i would just
default to openc i think there's a lot of us maybe maybe i'm unique maybe it's only those of us that
that came on in the class of 2021 and were deep in nfts that that would still use openc for a
resource like that but clearly if coin gecko gets a half a billion dollars for what they have,
just proof point that data in this space is very valuable
and business to be had there.
So, Oxy, go ahead, and then we will send them.
Also, since we're going to Oxy, Oxy, go ahead, take it wherever you'd like,
and then since you shouted it out yesterday, I'll let you plug our outro song.
Oh yeah, for sure. So I wanted to speak to some of the investments that have been going on. And
ironically, it's in a lot of the service industry that is like servicing crypto companies. So, you know, legal firms or CPA firms or, you know,
advisory firms that are specifically targeting crypto, the crypto industry and crypto companies
specifically, there's been a lot of investment and acquisition in that front. So I think that's a really interesting like maturing factor of the of the of the industry, because I mean, I mean, we've seen this in traditional, you know, traditional markets as well.
the service industries that typically are just cash cows, like that are providing audits or tax
services or what have you, the private equity firms will target these companies because they
just generate cash very quickly, low overhead outside of hiring people to do the work.
And then you just kind of, you can milk, this is probably a bad wording, but you can milk those
companies for free cashflow. And it's secure because everyone needs these types of services when you're a, you know,
probably traded company or you're a C corp and the tax is done.
So I don't know, it's a really interesting kind of turning point right now where these
service firms are kind of getting gobbled up by private equity or VC.
Yeah, good, good take.
It's going to be an interesting day um we'll wrap on a more little i guess i don't know if somber is the right word we'll wrap on a
different note a hard pivot as uh just got shared i actually have two thoughts one i will talk about
the breaking news and then i will talk about what's going on someone mentioned yesterday i'll
just use the just use following instead of for you on X.
I'm like, I do.
I do use, my following is broken though.
My following feed is broken.
I'll explain why here in a second.
Bitcoin is still up 1% of the day.
It was ripping up.
It's starting to pull back.
Market's not liking, well, two things.
One, I missed the CPI print this morning.
Did anyone catch that? Oxy, by chance One, I missed the CPI print this morning. Did anyone catch that?
Oxy, by chance, did you see the CPI print?
Yeah, pretty stable on inflation, it sounds like.
S&P 500 down 0.25% this morning.
Looks like the chart's looking pretty sharp sell-off.
But I don't know.
ETH, Bitcoin saw a little pullback on this news I'm going to share here in a second.
It is – now I just lost it.
Sorry.
Let me pull it back up.
Here we go.
And this is probably going to break my following feed again, but I'm going to share it for
the sake of the show.
Trump apparently tweeted out or put on True Social.
Yep, True Social at 943.
Markets did not like.
It says, Iranian patriots keep protesting. Take over your institutions. Save the names of the killers
and the abusers. They will pay a big price. I've canceled all meetings with Iranian officials
until the senseless killings of protester stops. Hope is on the way. MIGA. Tensions escalate in
Iran. Is the TLDR on that? And I'm certainly not a geopolitical expert
or a war expert.
I may watch some more war game movies this weekend,
but that is about the extent of my expertise here.
Sorry for the somber note,
just it is relevant, it's impacting markets.
And what I was gonna say about the for you or the following page is it's the comments, it's the comments and the retweets is way overcooked on the for you page. I posted an example, I think last night, of what, like, it took me a minute to realize what was happening. Because I do often if I if I
notice if I'm mobile, I go to the following, I'm not looking at the for you page. But yet my for
my following had become like a for you page. And why it is, is like, basically, while I don't see
like, I didn't see oxy's post yesterday, we comment, we engage, he's on the show almost
every morning, I didn't see his thread. He put on talking about
the show yesterday, tag the account. I didn't see that until this morning. But yet, what I did see
on my following page was comments from other people that I follow. So anytime basically anyone
that I'm following comments, here's two examples. This angel I've never engaged with, not following
says, and this isn't even popular, it had 682 impressions.
19-year-old friends just discovered today they can select all text using control plus A, university students, future engineers.
I do follow this I rule the world MO.
It says we are so early.
So that popped.
That was one of the first things I saw in my following tab.
And then I see this one.
We are beautiful beaches and tax evasion.
It wasn't even an English post. It was translated. And then this account who I've never engaged with, I did check,
I do follow this person says, ja, ja, ja, ja. I think it's like laughing in Spanish.
It's crazy. It is just so the following page is so broken that instead of seeing stuff that my
friends are actually posting, it's prioritizing comments, not even popular ones. Again, 355 views on the initial post. The person I follow the comment, it had 35 views. Like,
there's no reason that I should be getting fed this stuff. We were joking then. GratefulApe says,
he followed it up and said, you know, it's showing comments. I said, thanks. And Grateful
says something about like, he doesn't understand when I comment on a Stranger Things post,
why that comment is pushed to the timeline of my followers that might have zero interest in that really weird. I was joking. And I said, thanks, Grateful. Now embrace myself
for my following feed to be 50% Stranger Things today. He says, haha, guess what? Guess what
happened? Like within minutes after me saying that, here's what I got served up in my following
page. A lot of of i've never heard of
this john squires but go figure a lot of people are watching the stranger things documentary
looking for confirmation on their feelings about certain things blah blah blah grateful says i
have to admit i enjoyed it a lot too had to be a once-in-a-lifetime experience to be part of the
show i like i love grateful i enjoyed stranger things I don't care to see that on X.
I'm not tuning into X to get the John Squire's thesis on the Stranger Things documentary.
For that matter, I haven't watched the documentary yet.
Maybe I don't want to have spoilers.
I'm going to end my rant on X, but it's easy to pile on today as the app crashed again.
It's down for many.
What are you doing, Nikita?
Get it together.
This isn't that hard.
I'm sure it's hard.
I'm not qualified.
But your following page, like, I want to see posts from people I follow, not comments from people I follow on topics that I've never talked about or engaged with ever on this app.
I guess I did.
I mentioned stranger things in my post.
So now things, oh, we better serve up.
Like I'm not even exaggerating.
Like today, half of my following tab is probably going to be all stranger things documentary related
because I joked in one reply.
It's broken.
It's really broken.
And I guess the answer today until they fix it is, is just use lists, just go
to lists.
The following pages, it's not working as intended.
I get it.
If they want to mess around with the for you and make that a, you know, a brain rot for
you page and just, just chase things that are viral or the training topics today.
Fine.
It's not what I prefer, but I get it from a business standpoint.
If that's what they want to push to drive more engagement.
Fine.
I can understand that logic and ration behind that. There's, you can't convince me that it's logical, rational, or a business standpoint. If that's what they want to push to drive more engagement, fine. I can understand that logic and ration behind that.
There's, you can't convince me that it's logical, rational, or a good business decision
to make the following tab as it has become.
That's what's so broken.
It took me a little while.
It was actually, it was a stranger things joke that got me to unpack it was that's why
it's so broken.
Is that something that's changed recently?
That's changed. That's a Nikita thing.'s had a product fix your product man it never used to be that way it's really bad
right now I want to see things from my friends here not to mention I'd appreciate if you could
put a little bit of energy efforts and resources into spaces and let it work like I shouldn't have
to I wasn't able to add out her as a co-host all day today. She updated her app. It just wouldn't let me add her as a co-host. It's broken. Fix, fix your stuff. Or we'll take our ball and
go to YouTube. On that note, hope you have a wonderful day today. Enjoy this outro as much
as Oxi did yesterday. We'll be back tomorrow at 8 a.m. Eastern time. Appreciate y'all being here.
I did mention in the post, that was a sponsored post from our, our sponsored interview from our
friends over at Reach Network. Awesome. Doing an incredible incredible job at biz dev over there. If you're a content
creator and looking to, uh, for some, some, uh, help with inbound biz dev, those guys are great.
Um, I, but that said, we, we turned, we passed on, I mean, in the last few months,
they've talked about, I don't know, half dozen or so different potential brand deals. This is
one where I genuinely was interested. I know there was some audio issues there
in addition to the X issues.
So I appreciate everyone powering through that.
But I genuinely meant what I said,
like was excited to talk about it
because I am curious and excited
if we'll see more of this sort of go to market
in terms of fundraising
and the ability to participate in private companies
by way of tokens that aren't equity, but enable some sort of dividend, some sort of profit share.
I know in the US, they're going to call it a security.
That's a very US centric view, just like you don't have to have your ID to vote.
I think that's we're the only country on the planet that allows that.
But that's another, that's my, I'm just going to start talking geopolitics so that my for you fixes and it flips back to crypto Twitter.
That's the extent of my knowledge on that. But anyways, I digress. Thanks for being here. We'll
be back tomorrow at 8 a.m. Eastern time. Hope you have a wonderful, wonderful day, everyone. Thank you.
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Bself Brands aims to raise capital through the sale of Btokens, providing a unique opportunity for community members to invest in a proven e-commerce business.
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With over 200,000 followers on social media, Bself Brands is leveraging its existing customer base to drive interest in the token sale, indicating strong community support.
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The collaboration with regulatory bodies like the CNMV ensures that Bself Brands operates within a compliant framework, enhancing investor confidence.
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The trend towards tokenizing equity in established companies reflects a growing acceptance of blockchain technology in traditional business models.
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Investors in Btokens are promised a guaranteed 10% profit in the first year, showcasing a commitment to providing returns to early supporters.
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