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Beyond the GM! Ep. 12 🦦
Recorded: March 17, 2023 Duration: 2:39:12Space Recording
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drop in the car from my pocket, no way, no way, my doggy has got it, then I had a blue
when I put it in his right hand, then he dipped my man right in the stomach, now they got
my running, on my lap I ticked from it, 10 talks to the Benz, man I ended up throwing
up on a bonnet, I had sirens, while we was challenging up the road, then I looked down
I see Bermit's calls, that's Mumsy, ringing my phone, I should've went, man I got awesome
days, I'm one of your loves some days, Q say yeah be at home some days, I'm dealing with
the bros some days, we was on the field in the no-go, and we didn't meet your mum at
home, three man up in a four-door band, while they're dealing with your mum at home,
cause this lung is burning, and you can't drop this smoke, man know about serving, man know
about the pot and stove, feel like I've been on the road, what days, but you say I've never
been home, Mum told me come home some days, but you say I never did go, what you say
I never did, yo, GM, shout out to everyone just tuning in, wow, what a fucking
crazy week it's been, we got a lot to talk about today, we got a superstar line up, trying
to rep all the different communities, all the different PFPs, if you're just tuning
in, spread the word right now, bottom right corner, drop a comment, share the space in
your Twitter groups, you know what to do, get the word around, we're gonna get into it, first
things first, shout out to my co-host, big love to Beast, big love to Digital, how are you
guys doing?
Yo, GM, GM, what a fucking crazy week, man, I mean, it's beautiful weather now, it's sunny
and all good, but man, I mean, it's wild, we also got for some reason one hour closer
to the US because of the daylight saving time, you know, so it's a little bit interesting
to plan everything, but yeah, all good, excited to be here and can't wait to chat with all
a few guys, yeah, and I don't know what this daylight savings thing is, because it's the
same time for us here in the States, but I'm tired as shit, but I had a great night last
night, we had like a Web 3 vibing just get together, it was Azuki, Clonex, and Apes, we
all got together and given the toxicity of what's going on in the timeline this week, it was just
good to meet people face-to-face, talk with them, wear the twin tiger jacket, out in public,
I'll pin up the photo that we took, shit's dope as fuck, and hung out with clones till
like 3 or 4 a.m., and Boo, who's in the audience, was kind enough to give me a ride home, so
great vibes all around is what Web 3 is to me, and I just felt love, so can't wait to get
into today.
Love to hear that, sounds like a much-needed meet-up and it's sick to hear.
All the communities got together.
Who arranged that?
Exodia from the Azuki community, I believe, at least coordinated on the Azuki side, and
then the Big Apple Apes, I know, meet separately as a sub-community.
I'm not sure about the clone group, but they roll deep, and shout out to all the clones.
My God, like, you guys are, you guys roll deep.
You have the most people there, and we're the most diverse, both in terms of race as
well as, like, gender.
Like, it was refreshing to see all you guys come out.
Wait, there was girls there.
Lots, right?
And, like, and this tells you something, right?
Sorry, not to be long.
I know we'll get on with the show.
But when these ladies would come over to our table, the assumption was, like, they were
lost, or maybe they just wanted to sit down where we were.
And they're just like, no, we're in the clone community.
And we're like, yo, like, this is amazing.
And it just kept happening, because you just don't see that diversity.
So, big shout out to clones.
Loved every second of just getting to hang out with all the communities together.
We love to hear it.
The one event I went at, and there's loads of girls.
Great to hear.
Great to hear.
So, like I said, we've got a big show.
We've got a lot of people inside the ride with us this week to discuss everything that's
been going on.
I'm sure you've all been seeing the drama.
We're going to attempt to talk about everything going on in a nice, positive way and keep
things moving.
Ashley, it's your first time officially on the show.
Thank you for joining us.
You're a legend in the space.
We had to get you on after you passed through last week.
How are you doing?
I am fantastic.
It is a super GM day.
I'm feeling lucky, because it's St. Paddy's Day, one of my favorite days.
I don't drink, so it's kind of funny that it's one of my favorite days.
But yeah, excited to be here.
Excited to get in some juicy business and some tea.
Oh, yeah.
I've got the kettle on right now, and it is boiling hot.
I've already made one cup.
I've got a zoot ready to go.
So I'm predicting I'm going to be drinking another cup within the next five, ten minutes.
And yeah, happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone celebrating.
It's definitely getting lively around here in the UK.
If you haven't had a Guinness yet, well, it's time to start.
So yeah, big shout to everyone celebrating.
Even if you're not, it's a great day to get involved with.
I love Irish people.
They're literally some of the greatest people I've met.
Always, always bringing the vibes.
So yeah, Ashley, thanks for joining us.
Happy St. Patrick's Day to you.
Dem, how are you doing, bro?
Thanks for joining us.
I know it's busy times over at Izuki.
You're all pretending to do work.
How's it going?
Oh, God.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
Let's go.
Dr. Pepper.
It is St. Patrick's Day.
My favorite day of the year.
Get in.
Yes, Dad.
I love St. Patrick's Day.
I lived in Dublin for five years and it was so much more like it's just a bunch of better
holiday over there.
Like it's a lot more about like families hanging out and of course drinking.
So it has a bad rep in the US, but it's a beautiful holiday.
And I sláinte to all my Irish friends listening.
Yeah, man.
Oh, man.
It goes off here.
But there's a lot of Irish pubs in America as well.
I remember when when we were over there.
They look exactly like that.
They look exactly like the pubs in Dublin.
Oh, my God.
Literally.
It's so weird.
It's like time travel.
It's so weird.
So I came over working.
We were working with Ed Sheeran and it was his birthday.
Right.
And we were there.
He just played Staples Center.
And then we're all excited.
We're all in L.A.
Loads of us from London.
All the crew had flown over.
And we're like sick.
We're with Ed Sheeran.
We're going to get to go to L.A.'s best clubs.
We're going to get some sick like VIP area.
Going to have all the bottles.
All the girls.
Let's fucking go.
You know, I was ready to get out of Staples Center.
Then I go, so where are we going?
Ed goes, oh, yeah, we're going to my favorite Irish pub downtown L.A.
I was like, all right.
OK, cool.
Thinking, right, we'll start there.
Do a few drinks and then go to the club.
No, we just went to this quiet Irish pub in the middle of nowhere.
It was literally us there, like about 30 of us, and then about four old Irish guys.
And then Scooter Braun turned up and ordered everyone shots.
And it was all right.
But I didn't get that VIP L.A. in the club with the celebs experience, which I was disappointed about.
But, yeah, I couldn't believe how mad the Irish pubs are out there.
So, yeah, fuck.
That was an experience.
So, yeah, Dem, happy St. Patrick's Day.
Thank you for joining us.
We've got to talk about Azuki.
We've got to talk about the new stuff with Babu as well.
Looking forward to that.
So we're going to get into it.
Laura, how are you doing?
Thank you for joining us.
You made it out of London.
Are you still here?
Hello, hello.
I'm back to Spain for now, preparing everything.
I'm going to move out soon.
I can't hear some people in space.
Oh, shit.
I can't hear Ashley.
I can't hear Beast.
But, I mean, all good.
I'm happy to be here in other legendary spaces.
You know, you're one of my favorite spaces hosts.
So I'm so happy.
I love this.
And I love Beast.
And I love digital.
And I love everyone here on the stage full of legends.
So, yeah, can't wait to talk about some saucy stuff.
Oh, yeah.
We're going to get saucy.
We're going to talk about your brand-new drinking habits as well.
Oh, my God.
Oh, no.
We won't.
No, no, no.
We won't talk about that.
Take that out of the recording.
So, yeah, thank you for joining us, Laura, all the way in Madrid, Spain.
This is a very international show.
We have guests from all over the world because we're highly connected like that.
And, yeah, if Beast, maybe if you could take down Laura and then bring her back up so then she can hear everyone, then that would be good.
Farouk, you pulled up.
My guy.
How are you doing, bro?
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Oh, shit.
Let's go.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Hey, happy Friday.
What's up, y'all?
How y'all doing, GF?
Let's fucking go.
Hey, you and Dem have got the energy this morning.
I love that.
I need it right now.
Thank you for joining us, bro.
How are you feeling?
It's been a spicy week in the web-free space.
You've managed to stay out of it.
I'm proud of you.
How are you feeling, bro?
Oh, shit.
You know, it feels good not being the main character anymore.
I've got to tell you all that.
Yeah, man, you can sit back and enjoy the ride and just sip some tea.
How are you feeling about it?
Yeah, it's sipping some teas, touching some titties.
You know, we're chilling.
Let's fucking go.
Hell yeah, Ashley.
You already know the vibes.
No, we're vibing.
It's been a big week.
It's been a crazy week, but, you know, it's Friday.
We're chilling, you know.
It's St. Paddy's Day after all.
Yeah, man.
Thank you for joining us.
It was amazing having you on the show around the rug radio drop.
So it's wicked to have you back, legend in the scene.
We're going to get into it today.
Faun, how are you doing?
Nice to have you on the show.
It's been a minute.
It's been a crazy week for the Clone X crew.
So we had to get you on.
One of my favorite people from the community.
How are you doing?
GMGM.
Oh, my God.
That Fergie song gave me so much fucking energy right now.
Yeah, I'm good.
It's been it's been a tough week for Clone X, but I feel like I've just been staying out the drama,
minding my fucking business, not responding to any of the hate.
And yeah, just we're out here.
We're building, minding our business.
But St. Patrick's Day, I was in an Irish pub last weekend.
It was great times.
They're playing Ed Sheeran.
We were doing baby Guinness shots.
I'm going out tonight with my friends.
We're going to get lit.
I do drink, unlike Ashley.
So I will be getting lit.
Yes, Vaughan.
That is the London energy.
Proud of you representing us properly.
I had to make sure there was another London person on stage after we after we experienced
some some London slander a couple of weeks back each show.
Now, I need to have like another London person almost is like security to back me up.
So this week we got Vaughan representing London, showing you Americans how it's done properly.
Kuro, my guy, how are you doing, bro?
Kuro, are you there?
This always happens every week.
Is he behind the mask or not?
I'm sorry.
He's doing it on purpose.
He's behind the mask all the time.
He wants me to switch like that founder did and send him DMs saying I'm a better man and
all of that stuff.
I'm not going to do it, Kuro.
Oh, man, how am I going to get my daily heart rate up, man?
I'm doing great.
I'm just I was just responding to someone's DM.
I'm trying to mitigate some some social damage.
You know, being the little finger of the metaverse is is difficult.
Sometimes your friends say things because they're just humans behind PFPs.
And, you know, the general public doesn't understand that they expect some level of.
They just expect to be able to troll people without consequence.
And sometimes they just don't like the responses they get.
And then they cry about it.
And I'm just trying to explain to someone that crying is not going to help.
You already said what you said.
You can't take it back.
And all the founders out there is somebody's giving you some shitty energy.
Just throw it back at them.
They they'll stop after that.
Trust me.
I know I get some of the wildest DMs you've ever heard in your life.
And people don't seem to understand that.
I don't give a shit because they're not going to have that same energy in person.
This is true.
This is true.
And there's been a lot of that.
So I hope you're not too in the mix of mitigating that because that's going to be.
Oh, it's going to be a long weekend for you.
Oh, I've already had about a dozen death threats this morning.
Oh, my God.
They can.
I sent a couple of them my address.
So whenever they show up, they can meet my dog.
Yeah.
He loves me.
But I don't know if he's going to love them.
We're going to we're going to get into it here.
We're going to speak about all these all these negative vibes that's been happening.
So, yeah, we'll speak about it properly.
Withers, you're actually here from the start of the show.
This is incredible.
It's a first time record.
She's stepping things up.
The crown is on.
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
How are you doing, Withers?
I am doing good.
I have made myself sick, I think, from maybe stress with the collection and the murals that are coming up.
But it's OK because it's going to come and then everything's going to be like super dope.
And St. Patty's Day is today and my studio or my gallery is partnered or like it's an open floor plan with a bar and they've already started decorating.
So it's going to be a banger of a day.
Maybe get to see some IRL friends and take maybe like 30 minutes off from completing this.
And we're just going to we're going to run with it.
I hope everyone is doing well.
This is an awesome stage.
I love to see these are all my favorite people.
So I can't wait to get into it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm really excited.
We tried putting in a big crew for this week as there's been a lot going on.
So we thought it was important to get the heavyweights inside to give us some proper opinions because there's a lot of a lot of trash talk on the timeline.
Storm, how are you doing?
It's the first time you're joining the show.
It's an honor to have you on another NFT Web3 OG.
Been killing it from early.
It's an honor to have you on the show.
How's it going?
It is going well.
Vibes are high as per usual.
How are you?
How is everyone today?
We're doing good.
We're doing good.
We're all having our first Guinness right now.
I've also got a cup of tea as well.
Oh, OK.
OK, OK.
You start in the morning off right.
Yeah, we don't mess about in London.
We're fully loaded here.
You'll have to come over sometime and experience it.
We've got the flavors here as well.
We've got the Cali imports.
Don't worry.
You won't be missing anything.
You can leave the West Coast and join us in London when you're ready.
OK, I'm on my way.
I'm going to start packing.
Yes.
Snoop's actually here as well.
I'm going to go and see him this weekend.
So I'm looking forward to that.
He's performing.
He's doing a UK tour.
I don't know if you guys saw his entrance to Scotland.
It was amazing.
At the airport, they had bagpipes playing his music on arrival.
It was literally just...
I love Snoop so much.
So looking forward to that.
Tal, how are you doing?
My guy.
Thank you for joining us today, bro.
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's Day, champ.
What the fuck is good?
What the fuck is good, bro?
Come on.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Let's fucking go.
One of my favorite fucking mutants.
We're going to fucking make a whole goddamn Rushmore and put your fucking face.
You're going to be one of the faces on that bitch holding it down for the mutants.
About to go back home.
We just fucking fucked down back in Chai Town.
And we're about to go check out the river.
Get fucked up with a bunch of my Irish friends.
What the fuck is good on this beautiful day, bro?
What the fuck is up?
Yes, Tal.
Energy, energy, energy.
We fucking love it.
Oh, everyone's so hyper today.
I thought everyone would be all stressed out after smoking 50 cigarettes this week.
You know, Marlboro Red vibes.
But no, everyone's in good energy.
Everyone's ready for St. Patrick's Day.
I fucking love to hear it.
I fucking love to hear it.
So it's been a spicy week.
There's been a lot going on.
The main kind of, I guess, theme of the week is being the FUD that's been going on.
It felt like there was 24 hours where we got Clonex FUD.
We then got Doodles FUD.
And then we got Bored Ape FUD all within 24 hours.
It was quite something.
I haven't actually seen that before.
I don't think to that level in the space.
Fruik, you've obviously seen all of this stuff from early.
What did you make of the amount of FUD going about?
Did it feel like, okay, this is just the usual bullshit?
Or did it feel like, oh, man, this is worse than before?
How did you feel about it?
I think, I mean, it's normal.
Like, there's always going to be FUD.
But I think a lot of the FUD this time around is just criticism that people, like, some founders need to finally take to the chin and address.
And or, like, try to resolve.
I was singing on the show this morning.
Just now, it just got off.
But I was saying, like, a lot of the times, like, even, like, because at some points, even now, a lot of them got picked on for, like, nitty-gritty, like, tiny little things.
But I feel like it's just an accumulation of a lot more.
And having been there, like, I think it's important for founders to sometimes realize that you may be the problem.
And it's okay to be so.
And that you can also, like, get better at something and, like, switch that.
Like, a lot of the times, like, when I was getting hardcore FUD back week after week, and even for the little things where I was like, well, the little things, that's not on me.
Because I'm like, that's bullshit.
But I was like, maybe some of the bigger things is actually my fault.
And the second I realized that, and I understood that maybe I was the problem in some cases, and I need to adjust certain things, it actually, everything changed for me.
And I sleep much better at night.
And I like to think that reflected in my work and the way I am on here.
But I think a lot of these founders need to just, like, take that, accept it, and fucking go with it, you know?
Like, you have slipped up.
You have made promises.
You haven't delivered.
You have made mistakes.
And maybe you have said things a certain way people didn't want to receive it.
And it's okay.
To make these mistakes.
And it's okay to not always get it right.
And I think that's what we're seeing.
But we're also, like, on a broader level, I think we're going to see a rebalancing of, like, dude, like, a lot of these projects.
And look, like, I've bought some.
I own some myself.
Or sold some.
Or even bought back in some.
Whatever.
It's like a lot of them maybe were overpriced.
So when you look at these things, it's like, maybe, like, was it worth paying X amount for X project when it's just access to just another club?
Like, you know, like, Soul House membership gives me more utility for what it's worth on a yearly basis.
And I have much more fun there drinking picantes by the Soho Beach House.
Oh, of course he's a picante guy.
Of course he is.
Of course.
Have you tried the truffle fries?
Yeah, they're bomb.
But mezcal picante, mind you.
But I think, like, that's what an order of it is.
So we broke it down.
But, like, the artifact foot, I think that's bullshit because, like, that was, like, people mad about a catalog picture of a shoe when, like, the actual shoe is in the product they deliver is sick as fuck.
I'm someone who has a space trip, Corey Vanloo.
It's one of the best sneakers I've ever had.
And I've collected hundreds of them.
And I think they're cool.
And their products are always good.
The foot, but see, again, that was nitpicking on something because of previous problems.
Monolith 2 issues and communication issues, right?
And those are things that I think they've already took to the chain and admitted that they made the mistake.
Doodles, people nitpick on the sentence that says, we are not an NFT project.
What Poopy probably meant, as someone who's building a brand that's growing outside of this space now, is we are an NFT project, but we are growing outside of it.
And I think that's what he meant.
But he wrote it a certain way in Peak Fud, so then people nitpick.
So it makes you think, why are people attacking Poopy?
But it's because of the previous things that are just adding up to this point.
It was the first time, one of the first times I've seen, like, hardcore holders flip, actually, this week, when it comes to Doodles.
And when it comes to Moonbirds, you know, it's similar, right?
Like, you know, it's not the fact SVB wasn't the thing that triggered the sales.
It was the proof conference.
It was the high rise.
It was the token.
It was a this.
It was a that.
So, you know, I think, you know, we could see these brands bounce back.
I think most of these brands will be successful over time.
But I don't know what that means to their NFT holders and their assets if they're planning on growing without them.
You know, my main point here, and I'll leave on that, was, like, I think brands need to understand that, like, it's great and important to build outside of the Web3 eco-chamber.
But, like, you have to do so with your core community because these are people that made you.
These are people that minted you out.
These are people that supported you.
These are the people that made, you know, Farouk Farouk.
They made Poopy Poopy.
Kevin Rose, Kevin Rose.
Like, these are the people that, like, actually, like, made us, like, given the position we're in in the space.
And you have to grow with them outside.
So, like, find a way to take them with you on this road.
And last but not least, I would defer to Mike Dudas' tweet.
He wrote an incredible thread about the entire situation.
I can send it to you so you can pin it at the top if you want.
But it was really good.
And I advise everyone and every founder to read it.
Nice.
We need to find that.
Be still digital.
If you could pin that to the Jumbotron.
Farouk, I've started calling it a Jumbotron now rather than just saying pin it up top.
We've upgraded.
Samson hit us up.
And we've got the first Samson Twitter Spaces web-free friendly Jumbotron.
So, yeah, Beast Digital, if you could pin it up to the Jumbotron, that would be great.
Yeah, just pin that it's coming.
Lovely.
Is there going to be a KISS cam at some point?
What's going on?
Yeah.
Yeah, we've got a KISS cam as well.
We've also got a Pillow Fight cam as well just in case Laura and Witters lose their call at any point.
But during this as well.
Oh, mate, you haven't seen.
It's been kicking off.
We're actually speaking to both Madison Square Gardens and the Hippodrome.
It's plan B to arrange a Pillow Fight and the winner gets Franklin and all of his apes or half of his apes.
I don't know what the play is here.
But, yeah, so there's an ongoing beef between Laura and Witters that actually spawned on our show a couple of weeks ago.
And we're just here to promote it and make money out of it.
So, yeah.
But, yeah, going back to your points, I think you bang on.
A lot of it has started as criticism.
A lot of it is then sort of, I think, spiraled into, like, just memes and other people kind of dogging on other projects, which I haven't liked to see too much on the time.
I think if people want to talk about their bags and, you know, like what they're not happy about with that project, then that's fine.
They're entitled to do so in a constructive way, obviously.
You can't really just shout abuse at a founder and then be angry if they clap back at you.
But I think, yeah, where it's kind of gone a bit far now is everyone else obviously just jumping in.
Kind of the usual thing, people enjoying other people's demise or, you know, seeing people not doing well and jumping on that to make them feel better about themselves, their bag, their project.
When all projects have kind of misfired in certain ways, you know, since their creation, which happens.
They're all startup companies in a really volatile, experimental space.
So, yeah, it's interesting.
Digital, what's your thoughts?
Obviously, you've been a long time doodles holder.
Obviously, you've been seeing it all unfold this week.
What's been your thoughts?
Yeah, I was going to shout out Dooku because we're in WhatsApp and he can't.
He's up on stage.
He just put RIP, as you mentioned, doodles to me.
So I was going to shout that out.
You know, for me, I think doodles has been a long road.
But if anything, they've been really consistent about what it is they're building and who it is they're building it for.
Right.
So it's mass adoption.
It's IP driven, like cultural brand with tons of content.
Right.
So music and animation, things of that sort.
So to me, I'm not necessarily getting all the communal, emotional or even economic benefits from it.
But I don't expect it from doodles at this point.
It's like a lottery ticket.
It's like a different asset class for me.
Right.
I just like buy it, set it, forget it, maybe come back to it in like two years and see what happens.
If it goes zero, it goes zero.
So I guess the other bit would be like, at least for clone, like, you know, I've seen everything on the timeline, but it wasn't until I really met up with like the 20 clones yesterday and had like face to face conversations with them.
And they're not bothered, man.
They're just like, hey, you know, like we love the shoes.
We love the creativity in the community.
We love the community.
We're all here for each other.
So fuck all the fuck.
Right.
And that's, I think, maybe the perspective that we just don't see in the timeline because it's just an echo chamber of fucking negativity all the time.
But and or maybe like your spaces host who has a mutant discontinuously tells you to floor your doodle.
And to that, I'd say GTFO, as Poopy would say.
Don't talk about threat guy like that.
Yeah.
Don't talk about threat guy like that, man.
Come on.
Come on.
That's out of all time.
You know what's funny, though, to what he's saying?
He's so right about the FUT echo chamber part because every time you and I noticed that because when I would get like five, six people like scream at me on Twitter, you'd have like a hundred people in the back, like actually supporting you.
So for what it's worth, like Twitter is definitely not like, you know, the main, you know, the source or the numbers for me.
Yeah, I agree.
And I think that's the dangerous part.
I remember with all the Azuki FUD at the time, it was the Twitter timeline that basically freaked me out.
If I hadn't gone on Twitter around that time, if I'd been on holiday or even if I just hadn't checked Twitter for a day, I wouldn't have been freaked out by it.
I wouldn't have sold my Azuki.
I would have just waited and let it unfold.
But because I was seeing everything and some of the people I was seeing, I felt like they knew more than me.
You know, they're like bigger, bigger in the space or I've been here longer, whatnot.
I'm there with this asset that one minute is worth a lot of money.
Next minute, it's literally going down by the thousands.
And you look to other people, see what they're doing.
And you obviously the sentiment and sentiment's a big thing with any of these collector items.
And Twitter was just a hellhole.
And I think that's what it's kind of turned into over the last 24 hours, which isn't good.
And I wanted to make sure we kind of made that clear on this space that you can't just listen to what's being said on Twitter because a lot of it is an echo chamber.
And a lot of it is just people chatting shit for the sake of it because it's on the keyboard and they can get away with FUD.
Yeah, I was just about to say, like, you know, initially when I when I was first new in the space, I used to buy into a lot of this nonsense.
And then I started to realize, like, I'm a human being.
I get upset when people are just coming at me constantly.
Like now I don't because I've realized that they're just going to continue this on the Internet.
But if you see them in person, they're all like super friendly, trying to hug you and stuff, which I don't mind, even though I don't like people like touching me and stuff.
But I think like people need to go into their daily life and just not be toxic and try and drag people down like there's no point in dragging people down.
If everything fails here, then we're all fucked.
Yeah, that's the big thing that I just don't like I just don't understand how people don't see that.
It's mental. It's like we need all of these, you know, people started saying, oh, are they really blue chips?
Oh, you know, like all the blue chip banter began this week.
But we need like we can't just have Bored Ape or Azuki or Pudgy Penguins or whichever is in favor this week.
Right. Because next week they might not be in favor.
We need all of them to be doing well for our ecosystem to grow and even for our own projects.
Even if you only care about your own bags, you don't give a shit about anyone else and you're a selfish fuck.
You still need everyone else's projects to do well for yours to rise.
Like if you think otherwise, you know, you're delusional.
We're too early. Dem, I wanted to get your thoughts on this.
Obviously, you've been through it.
You've been through the roller coaster, I think, more more than anyone else in terms of a project.
How have you been feeling this week seeing it all play out?
Yeah, it's definitely been a rough week, I think, on the timeline and on the different discords.
And, you know, it's been the kind of week that you really had to dig deep into your empathy and into your sort of long term vision.
And just trying to, like, not let the leaves keep you from seeing the forest, not let the trees keep you from seeing the forest.
You know, just look at the big picture and look at all the things that have been done well and look at all the good people that are building good things with good intentions.
And then just realize that we all go to the cycles, you know, like, and we under a lot of pressure, people react a certain way.
So, you know, I go through these weeks with an enjoyment for how much people care, even though, like, I'm seeing some very toxic messages.
I'm seeing, like, well, the person behind this message obviously cares about something.
So there's something to be done with that.
And, yeah, Zuki has gone through a lot of FUD and through a lot of, like, fair feedback and fair criticism.
And we will get a lot of fair criticism in the future.
And we will get a lot of toxic FUD.
I think it's part of the nature of the space because we're all very passionate people.
And passionate people under pressure explode in different ways.
And I think that's very human.
So I just want to say that yesterday we were hanging out with clones.
We were hanging out with apes.
There were a bunch of Zuki there.
We were all in person.
And I saw a bunch of, like, really excited and committed and just passionate human beings.
And we were able to just talk about stuff, like, one-to-one.
So just don't ever let the medium, which is these little tweets and stuff, confuse you from the people on the other end of the phone.
Because the people on the other end of the phone, they're human beings.
And if you met them in person, like Kuro has said, like many of you have said, when you meet people in person, you realize, like,
God damn it, we're just a bunch of really committed nerds, committed to this really interesting thing together on it.
And yeah, you know, fuck wag me.
Like, I'll be the courty one that says wag me.
But yeah, it really is, like, a very small space.
So, you know, I'm feeling bad for everybody in the Azuki community that did take a chance to take shots at clones or at doodles.
And that went that way because I think a lot of other communities, especially clones, really were with the Azuki holders during a time where, you know, we were getting a lot of flack as well.
And, you know, you can't control and moderate what people do.
But I just always want more empathy, like blanket statement, want more empathy.
So feeling it this week, really feeling it this week.
I just want to play Britney Spears Toxic right now to ride us into the sunset.
Maybe we can hold off on that for a second.
But damn, I did promise you, you could play a song.
But I don't know if you use that for the St. Patrick's Day song.
So we're going to have to ask Beasts in London.
I'm for it.
I like your music taste.
Oh, mate, you can never say.
It's Britney Spears Thompson.
Yeah, you can never say no to that song.
It's a classic.
Katy Perry's a no-go.
I can't believe you even suggested that on the timeline.
I'm embarrassed for you.
You might want to delete those tweets, to be honest.
But yeah.
Yeah, I just wanted to add to that.
I'll never be embarrassed of being a Katy Perry fan.
You're never going to embarrass me for being a Katy Perry fan.
You can't dim my light.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, well, damn, speaking of your light.
So thank you for saying all that.
And I felt it 100% yesterday.
You know, those in-person collisions are just so important.
But your legend has grown.
I had two people point at you from the clone community and another one from Ape saying,
is that the community manager?
And then, number one, they're like, I want to feel his jacket.
And then, number two, they're like, is he the hugger?
And I said, you're probably going to get a hug if you go over to him.
So go ahead and find out.
Fuck around and find out, right?
And sure enough, they went over to hug.
And I was like, did he hug you?
Like, yep.
Huge hug.
Soft jacket.
So your legend continues, the great hugger of our space.
Thank you for all you do.
What does I see?
Have your hand up.
Hugs, not rugs.
Hugs, not rugs, baby.
Yes.
Hugs, not rugs.
That's my favorite.
No, I enjoy what is happening.
And I'm going to tell you why.
Not for the founders.
Bless them.
I know that they work very, very hard.
But as like a trader, these projects that were out of my price range are inching ever
so closely to where I can grab those.
And so you just keep on doing it.
You keep getting, you know, fight them, fight them down.
And then I'll pick them up.
And I think anybody that actually believes in the projects and kind of like knows just
like where they're going to go.
And it's only been a very short blip of time and they already have so much success.
And that's what I'm saying.
I'm thinking of the future.
And but I need to get in so I can ride that train all the way wherever that train's going.
I want to ride it.
Yes, it is.
The DGN approach.
I love that.
I absolutely love that.
You just want to see them get fudded so you can pick up some bargains.
That has been the only silver lining, I guess, in this situation as well, because from a
holder perspective, it's stressful as fuck when this stuff is happening.
But yeah, if you can double down or if it allows new people to get into the ecosystem
that maybe couldn't, then that's also good.
Even just getting your holder count up as well.
I think, you know, a lot of projects have benefited from that.
Laura.
Yeah.
So I just wanted to say that at the end of the day, like it's also, you know, we are in
a very new industry and it's like highly volatile.
So it's not something that we are putting our money into knowing that it's stable and it's
going to be safe.
Like it's something that we need to be more mature about, like how we use our money and
where we put our money.
Because at the end of the day, okay, we are believers in this industry and this has huge
potential.
But like if you think of regular businesses like Web2, like most startup companies fail.
Like most companies are not making it like in the regular business industry.
Right.
And this is literally just cartoon pictures on the internet that we are kind of, you know,
investigating what can be done with them.
How can we escalate this industry and these businesses?
And it's obviously they are going to try things and fail and try other things and maybe succeed,
maybe not.
But it's something that we also need to be responsible and know that this is a new thing.
And most people are not very experienced, not only in the space because it's new, but also
in business in general.
You know, a lot of these people are all of the sudden like managing a lot of money and
managing communities and it's new for them.
So of course they are going to make mistakes.
And I know it sucks for people to, you know, lose money because it sucks for everyone.
But we also need to take a little bit of responsibility as communities, you know, and know that we are
going to take else.
And, you know, it's not always about blaming someone else, but also taking responsibility
of our own, like managing our money.
Right.
And managing what we believe in and knowing that there is a risk to this.
But also I wanted to say that even if in Web 2, like if we had communities and access to
like founders of companies, like imagine the situation.
It's not like Web 3 is more toxic than other like industries.
It's literally like it's the only industry that has like the community concept and the
access to founders directly and so on.
Like imagine if I had access to, I don't know, Jeff Bezos every time I get drugged with a
package on Amazon and I'm like, motherfucker, like my package didn't arrive, you know, like
of course I will fall.
And like a lot of people like, I don't know, I just think it's this industry.
Like we have just a lot of access and a lot of like communication between us.
And that's why we see a lot of different opinions.
And the negativity is always louder than the positivity, you know.
So very well said, Laura, very well said.
That's so true.
I just had a vision of you emailing Jeff Bezos at Amazon dot com saying where the fuck is
my order?
I'm going to be making tacos tonight.
So, yeah, but it's so true.
Right.
It is kind of we forget we're lucky to even be able to contact, you know, the founders,
you know, even having them head of community of Izuki.
He like we can just have him on the show.
He pulls up, you know, we're lucky to be able to contact these people.
You wouldn't see that in a lot of other other spaces.
Tell what you say.
You know, there's a fine line between being critical of something and fighting something.
I think the biggest problem we have on Twitter is I fucking despise using this term is we
are an echo chamber and it's just it's just the truth.
If you boil it down, realistically, there's about 20 to 30,000 of the same people I see
daily.
And it doesn't mean that you're grinding or you're active.
It's just the people that care about projects or have investments or want to see something
succeed.
And I'm with you, send it like I was around when the Izuki fund started happening.
I think there was a good reason behind it just because of everything that kind of took
place.
But I can safely say that Zagabond was one of the few founders who who took responsibility
and actually stepped forward and said X, Y, Z, you know, like I have stuff in the past,
you know, and this, this, that put, you know, I'm not saying it's he's a saint or he's the
best ever.
I do like Izuki.
I don't hold any.
I do want to be a holder eventually in the future.
But he's one of the few founders who actually stepped forward and just said, hey, guys,
you know, this, this, this, this, that.
So it's kind of hard to sift through all the bullshit and nonsense that you see on the
timeline, the mute button is very useful.
I've been using it very, very, very, I don't know what the perfect word is.
I've been using it a lot, though.
Like I've been muting a lot of MFers left and right, because unfortunately, people here
like to hear themselves talk.
And I'm all about a good meme here and there.
But it's just too much.
You know, like it really gets you.
I don't care how much faith you have in your, I'm critical of my bags.
Like I, I love Yuga, I'm a Yuga Maxi.
But if they fuck up, I will vocally say they fucked up, you know, and I think that's important
to do.
It's just that you have to kind of take a step back and realize like, dude, there's a
lot of investments at hand.
There's, you know, we might just be a bunch of PFPs talking to each other like, like on
Xbox days, you know, when you used to play Xbox to your friends at night.
But there is a lot of stuff at stake here.
There's a lot of people investing their time, their money, their effort there.
And, and you have to be kind of respectful of that and, you know, be able to have a conversation
with others to give and take and to hear what others opinions are, you know, but it's,
it's, it's, it's a weird time.
I think this, I think we've progressed though.
I we've, the space has progressed like a lot compared to last year, the mint and print
days.
Like we are able to have these discussions and there isn't as much like rugs because people
are just kind of like tired of it.
You know, like people, so many people got burned and we don't want to see people that
come to the space again and get burned again.
Cause like, that's, what's going to like drive everyone away.
And we're not going to be able to grow.
We're not going to be able to make money.
We're not going to be able to like make the space better and find new technologies and
put the right people in the spotlight to be able to push a message forward, you know,
and get rid of this fucking cabal that kind of controls the narrative of what should be successful,
what should be on the front page and, and people need to stop basing their success off
the failures of others.
Like, that's not how it fucking works, dude.
If, if, if something is meant to fail, it's going to fail.
So I'm okay with all this criticism and all this FUD to a certain extent, because if you're
going to kill it, you're going to kill it.
It doesn't matter who the fuck is standing in your way.
Is there going to be mistakes along the way?
100% but what can you rise above that is, is how you can kind of base where you want
to spend your time and your money and your effort and surround yourself with the right
people to be able to make those decisions.
Yeah, man, I think you nailed it.
And I think, um, you know, the Zagabond example is a really good one because he dealt with it.
And I think at first, a lot of people didn't even want to give him the time of day, uh,
to kind of respond or, or deal with it or, or, or fix things.
Um, and then we saw over time and I ended up, I watched it closely and I ended up buying
back into a Zuki, um, at a higher price as well in terms of EF value.
Cause I sold in the fear.
Yeah.
Digital, you laugh, you fucking enjoy it.
Um, and then I had to fucking buy back in cause I listened to all the donkeys on the
timeline that I thought knew what they were saying.
Um, it turns out they don't fucking know shit, just, you know, web free influencers that
have been here from early or something.
So they feel entitled that they know more.
Um, but yeah, you know, you've definitely got to watch out and you've got to allow companies
and founders, uh, time to, to rectify mistakes if they make them through.
Uh, yo, sorry.
Um, it was to go back to what, um, Laura saying, um, about it all.
It's like, I, I, it's true.
Like, look, you don't expect, like you can't just message Bezos or any, as a matter of fact,
even any small web two, web one, whatever, uh, private company, I mean, publicly held
company can't message them.
But at the same time, like these people decided to drop NFTs and to raise in the zero amount
of money to build everything they had that led all of these companies to the hundreds of
millions of dollars raises through the community and NFTs with promises made that they're going
to like deliver value back to them.
Now, value doesn't necessarily mean money, but value can mean a lot of different things.
And a lot of that values has not been seen.
And, and I think that's most of the criticism, right?
Like I, I agree with you on that, on that front, but, and I think that the counterpoint
to that is like, well, like what, then just go build somewhere else.
Like if you're not capable of like taking like people like coming at you, not, I'm not talking
to Lawrence, but that's specifically the founders or people in general in the space.
Like if someone, like if you drop an NFT, like you have to, it comes to the expectation
that with, with, with, with the, with the people, right?
It comes with people who will be emotionally or financially invested.
And you're going to have to deal with that.
You're going to have to deal with people that buy the top or a pico top, or you're going
to have to deal with people that buy a bottom, but have high expectations.
And then there's some people who just don't give a shit and they believe in you and they'll
hold your shit for a year, two years, three years.
And, and, and then they'll sell it or buy it in silence.
But I think that a lot of projects complaining are just like, they're just not cut to this.
And I think a lot of founders are realizing that, especially in the depth of bear market
where their personal bags are down, like my personal bags are down bad, but that doesn't
mean that that shouldn't reflect on, on what I have to deliver for, for, for, for my brand
and the people that work, that work for it as well.
So, you know, again, referring back to Mike Dudas' tweet, he says, many projects actively
encourage their customers to speculate with mysterious communications, probably nothings.
Going to be a huge month, more coming soon, heads down on greatness.
And now they're blaming the customer for being pissed off at non-delivery.
Like, I think like, goes back to my main point.
It's like, a lot of people need to like, look in the mirror here and realize maybe like,
maybe they're the problem and maybe they felt to deliver on that point.
But definitely, like, I think people need to also chill and realize like, yo, like maybe
don't expect something every month, but maybe also don't promise something every month.
Yeah, well said, very well said.
It's true, isn't it?
Because there is a certain amount of, like hype and speculation that these projects add
to the situation.
Like with Clone X, I was really pissed off about the Monolith situation because they hyped
it up and then, you know, we found out like, damn, we can't even get these shoes.
So, you know, that like those situations, they have to take responsibility.
And then what comes with that, you know, it's kind of on their shoulders.
And then how you kind of make that up to your, to your collectors, I guess, is, is on them.
And it's all new.
No one's done this kind of thing before.
I mean, like you said, Farouk, a lot of founders are kind of finding out now, like a year,
you know, the year plus into it.
Like, oh, fuck, we promised, we promised a game.
We promised like animations.
We promised all this merch and events and all these things.
And we got to keep, keep doing them because that's, that's on the roadmap.
So, yeah, it's going to be going to be interesting to see now how all this FUD affects founders
and how they, how they respond.
Like I said, I think Zagabon did a really good job with turning the ship around.
And obviously we saw it with Pudgy Penguins when Luka got on board and turned the ship
around even recently.
Only Force has been doing the same thing as well.
So, yeah, I think it's doable.
Going to be interesting to see what they do.
If you're just joining us, it's Beyond the GM.
It's episode 12.
How about that?
I didn't even realize we'd done that many.
And we've got a legendary lineup, a lot of OGs from the space, a lot of the best mutants
in the space as well.
That's just me and Tout.
And, yeah, we've got also a good rate, well-balanced ratio of males and females as well.
We finally, we finally achieved that as well.
So, you know, we want to make sure we represent, we're trying to represent in every way.
Big projects, you know, different countries where people are from and all the genders,
all the genres, you know, we're trying to cover it, baby.
We're trying to cover it.
So, if you're just joining us, bottom right corner, drop us a comment if you've got any
questions for any of these legends or for me about my sushi salmon headband and what
the floor price of that is right now.
Digital, I think you were looking, you were actually trying to embarrass me to Dooku,
Spirit Izuki holder.
And could you just let the audience know what the floor price was of the sushi headband
mutant ape?
That's weird.
I can't hear Send It.
Can anyone else?
I can't either.
I just want to, yeah.
I think he's writing, right?
Right.
Yeah.
Well, I want to acknowledge what's in the comments, right?
So, Dooku is supposed to be on stage with us.
He's having a hell of a time trying to get into the space.
I think he's uninstalled.
It's Android.
Just FYI, Android.
We've had the ratio on our show for the last two days.
I bet you it's a Salon of fun.
Yeah, it's a Salon of fun.
Oh, why'd you stop?
Oh, my God.
Let's go.
Hey.
Be on the DM.
Drop those claps.
It's Britney, bitch.
Let's go.
There's no escape.
I can't say.
Sing it.
I need a hint.
Baby, give me a hint.
All the MFers on the timeline.
Fudding.
This one's for you.
I love these faces.
Thank you so much for having me out.
I am going to jump out, Dem.
Oh, wow.
Yo, Dem.
Whoa.
Legend.
He does it in a Zuki style.
Vanishes out of thin air.
Big up, Dem.
Oh, I was actually really enjoying that.
I'm not even going to lie.
I was fully vibing.
So, yeah, that was really enjoyable.
Shiv, you've joined us for the second time in a row.
We love to see it.
London crew inside.
How are you doing, bro?
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
What's goody, bro?
What's goody?
I'm glad to be back.
I'm having a great day.
It's not snowing in London for once, so that's what's up, brother.
I'm a bit disappointed in you.
You know, we were trying to organize events, you know, trying to go out this past week.
And this is what Sender said.
Oh, I'm busy.
I'm busy.
It was quite disappointing.
Even Laura flew black because you just took that long.
You just took that long, Sender.
Explain yourself.
These MFers, they message on a Friday night going, let's go for dinner.
No, let's go out on Saturday night, the busiest night of the week.
Obviously, I'm an M2 mutant with a sushi salmon headband, floor of 76 ETH.
Digital couldn't hear me.
He's going to hear me now.
I'm busy on a Saturday.
What do you want me to do?
You're asking me the day before.
You know, have you seen my DMs?
So, I wasn't around.
I said, look, guys, let's go for dinner.
I wasn't even going to pay for everyone to go for dinner.
I was going to get us a private room, do it properly.
I was like, let's go for dinner.
Any other night, you know, any night.
What happens?
Oh, tumbleweed.
Absolute tumbleweed in the chat.
No one's, oh, I'm a bit busy.
Oh, yeah.
How about we do lunch?
When do DJs do lunch?
Like, what the fuck?
Like, we meet for dinner.
We do drinks.
And then we end up in the box in Soho.
That's what we do.
We don't go for lunch.
Laura.
You told me we were going to have lunch on Taco Tuesday.
Guess what?
Oh, you were too busy.
Everyone in the chat was like, oh, Taco Tuesday?
Nah.
You should sell it better, Laura.
Why didn't you say you were going to be with your hot friend?
That would have done it.
Bro, are you saving tacos?
Laura, Laura, check the pinned tweet right now.
And you're going to see what was Sunday's Tuesday tacos night and a Saturday.
Why he couldn't join, you know?
Why he was so busy.
It's so bad.
It's so bad.
Imagine, I was in London for a week.
This guy couldn't do, like, he wakes up at night.
I don't understand.
During the day, no.
I can't do any plans.
That's not the DJ lifestyle, Laura.
What are you talking about?
Bro, sorry.
I mean, seriously, what do you want me to do?
I was there for a week.
I can't believe I didn't see you.
Yeah, I can't believe it.
I can't believe that you were only around for one lunchtime.
And then the rest of the time, you were gallivanting.
I saw your stories.
I'm one of your close friends.
I saw every few hours, she's at a different fancy restaurant.
You know that kind of food that you think, you know, I don't even want to make too much
noise in here.
I don't want to.
What cutlery do I use?
Every meal.
You know, she was even doing snacks.
I'd have a packet of Watsits, you know, some salt and vinegar crisps or something, some
monster munch.
Laura's just there having oysters, you know, at 4 p.m. on a Tuesday.
Well, that could have been you.
No, no.
You had one slot.
You had Tuesday lunchtime available for your web-free DGEN friends, the pause.
And then the rest of the time, you were out gallivanting in London's finest restaurants.
So, yeah.
I kind of watched it.
As soon as I saw the Tiffany restaurant, I was like, yeah, this is why she's not got time
to hang out with us fucking losers.
This now makes sense.
So, Ashley, sorry.
Hey, I was actually going to go back because y'all were talking about, I was listening to
Tao talk about the echo chamber and it made me think of like all the drama that's been
going on.
I feel like the number one prom that we've had in this space is like everybody is just
like super clouded up.
Like they really like they they don't bud to like actually like provide constructive
criticism, but they like bud to get a lot of clout to get likes or whatever.
And like that really annoys the hell out of me because I'm like, I'm like, I can see if
you have like a legit issue and, you know, try to work it out, like especially privately.
Like I'm sure founders appreciate that, but you spouting off on the timeline, like, oh
my God, dude, it's just so like obnoxious to me.
I don't know.
Like, like, dude, I don't know.
I keep seeing that everywhere and it is driving me mad.
Yeah, it's painful.
It's been painful to watch.
I'm not going to lie.
I felt I felt the same.
Um, and I think the the main thing is, is normally it's people that aren't even involved
in the project that are just chatting shit, uh, or don't really know it as well.
They don't really understand the project.
Um, you know, it's like, uh, outside view of something that they don't really they don't
even know where where it started or or where it's going.
So, yeah, I think, um, hopefully we see less of that because it's not, it's not really.
And the thing is people do it for engagement, right?
There's the culture of shit posting and whatever.
So I think a lot of it stems from that people wanting to get likes and, and whatever.
And, um, and then that turns into them sort of, uh, using these click, clickbait posts,
um, beast, obviously you're posting every day, keeping everyone up to date.
I've been loving the daily videos, getting to see your beautiful face, uh, as well as
hearing your voice.
Um, what have you made of this week?
Yeah, I just wanted to add to your engagement farming sentence that, I mean, it's right.
Obviously, like when you check the most like tweets, it's, it's usually tweets like
that, right?
When you criticize something or when you, you know, when someone said something and
you just want to say that it wasn't right.
I mean, when you see something that is new, I mean, you see some like ERC, whatever, some
technology update, I mean, it usually doesn't have any likes, right?
So obviously people are then motivated to, to little engagement farm.
I think, I hope it's going to get better, but yeah, I mean, we're in this eco chamber,
as you guys mentioned.
So yeah, I think it is like it is now.
Yeah.
I think the other thing I'd add on this is like, there's like a silver lining that I'm
seeing, particularly within the doodles community.
I won't be long about it, but because the community is being kicked like a wounded animal
for so long, they're actually galvanized.
Now, particularly since like poopy has gotten out with the spice with the get the fuck out,
they're going to be coming with some clapbacks, right?
Which is not something I've seen of the community before.
Usually it's all rainbow and cheers, right?
Now there's, they're kind of, they're kind of angry.
They're kind of sick of it.
They're just like, you know what?
If seals or penguins or whoever can go out there and, you know, sass back, right?
And, and, and get, I don't know, not necessarily just take it all the time, but actually start
to, to have a little bit of fun with it, then not only is that like help kind of mentally,
but that just gets that community out into the open.
Um, and you know, it's, it could be anything from fuck around to find out or, Hey, this
person's actually pretty funny or pretty cool.
Right.
So that's the silver lining to me.
It's just like, all right, there's a lot of fun.
Maybe for those that projects that are down and out, it actually motivates them to, to
pick themselves up and not wait for the project teams to do so.
Stop fucking giving people with a large platform that have hundreds of thousands of followers
or 20, 30,000 followers validity.
I've seen follow people who have a fuck ton of followers that give the dumbest fucking
takes morons, dude.
I don't even know how they made it this long on planet earth, let alone Twitter.
Like it blows my fucking mind, dude.
Just because you have more followers doesn't mean, or like, obviously you have more followers.
You're going to tweet some shit.
You're going to get a lot more likes unless you bought it.
And just because you got more likes, it doesn't make your opinion more right.
So, and the same goes for a lot of people out here.
Don't give these people validity, you know, a good shit post every now and then is fun,
but just because they give their stupid garbage dog shit opinion doesn't mean it's always
100% right.
Yeah, man, it's true.
And I think for people that are newer in the space, it's hard to know that you're kind
of, you know, you're being, you're sort of following these different pages that appear
to kind of know what they're talking about or have been around a while.
So it gives that feeling that they know what they're doing or they've got a, a shiny PFP.
And, you know, then it's easy to follow what, what people are saying.
So that's, it's so true.
You just got to kind of have your own thought and you've got to think back to like, and
if you're spending thousands of pounds on something, then, you know, hopefully you've
kind of gone into it thinking, right, I, I believe in this and you've got a bit of a,
it may be even a bit of a strategy with that investment or that, you know, like what you
want to do with it.
So when this stuff kind of happens, you've got to go back to why you, why you bought it
and, you know, you know, like what your original intention is for.
Yo, yeah.
I mean, I've literally been thinking about this for the last couple of days because I
think it's so frustrating, like, especially to founders, right?
Like I get that they're getting so much shit right now and like some of it.
And I mean, just speaking from the clone community myself, like, you know, some of my like good
friends are giving like valuable feedback and like, you know, they're frustrated and they've
got every reason to be frustrated, like about certain things, right?
Like there have been fuck ups and yeah, like Artifact have tried to like take accountability
for some things.
People might argue that maybe it's not enough or whatever, whatever it is.
There's, there's been people on the timeline giving like genuine feedback, genuine, like
from the heart, like feeling like they're not being heard.
Like they've been the biggest cheerleaders of the kind of brand and stuff.
But then you've got people that are like just being so toxic that don't even own like
a clone, have never been in the kind of ecosystem or whatever.
So you've got these two sides, but unfortunately at the moment, we're almost like tarnishing
it all with the FUD brush.
And like, I kind of hate that because, you know, these teams need to have like that kind
of critical feedback or whatever.
And especially if they're not kind of taking note of it, like in DMs or anything or like,
you know, kind of more private forum, like it almost needs to be aired.
And like, if it's done in a constructive and like, you know, criticism is, is given with
love and because you, you have love for the brand, I don't think it can be a bad thing,
like doing it in a kind of public forum.
What I hate is that, you know, founders are like replying back to the people who are being
like super fucking toxic, instead of replying back to people who are giving genuine, like
loving feedback, which really sucks.
And like, we've seen that like across the board, I think, and that's annoying.
And like, we need to almost like teach founders.
I literally tweeted this earlier.
Like, I want all founders to have some fucking PR training.
Like, I love them so much.
And like, there's, there's some amazing like founders out there that like, are like a little
bit kind of like unhinged or whatever.
And like, you know, we've got like the Wabs and the Franks or whatever that are like so
funny with that.
And I love that.
And I don't want to take that away from web three, because I feel like that's like what
makes us us and like the whole like culture of web three.
So it's not about like dimming that kind of thing and making everyone like super, like
rigid web two CEOs or whatever.
But at the same time, it's like just like understanding that like reacting in such an emotional, petty
way or whatever on the timeline is only going to hurt not only you and your project,
but like your holders as well, because then we're on the front lines, we're having to
deal with all of the FUD.
And like the founders can sit back and, and turn off their, their, their Twitter.
Have a pina colada on the beat.
Yeah, yeah.
I know.
And like, they've got their millions, which is fine and like happy for them or whatever.
But like, we're the ones that like the floor price is going down and like shit, like
we're left in the lurch, right?
And we're left on the front lines and we're hurting.
So I, I just really want like, just as a whole, like the community side and the founders
to just realize like, what is FUD, what to ignore and like, what is like constructive
feedback and like to listen to.
And what I've loved is like, you know, I, I've seen personally, like, you know, I've said
some more like public things about like Artifact recently and said like, you know, this is
what I'm missing from Artifact.
Like they used to do this and like, they, they haven't been doing it more recently and
would love to see them do more of this.
And I've actively seen that because we've raised our voice, they've started to do it
more.
They've actually listened to our feedback, which is amazing.
So I feel like it, that kind of feedback can't stop.
Like we have to be critical of these projects when it's constructive.
But I feel like founders and community members, if it's just people trolling or trying to get
engagement or don't even rise to it, just ignore it.
Cause like they'll move on, they'll, they'll start trolling something else.
And, and I feel like that's like the best way to deal with it rather than like everyone
just attacking everyone.
And, you know, someone attacks someone and then you feel like you have to get defensive
and, you know, quote, tweet them.
And it just, it's so messy.
Like we just need to like mature as a space.
Sorry, that's such a big rant, but.
Nah, I think you're a hundred percent right.
And I think it is a combination of the both, you know, obviously some people are just fudding,
like you said, they're not even involved in the project and they're just want to, want
to chat shit about another project to make them feel better about their investment choice
or which, you know, community they're, they're backing or, you know, whatever.
Right.
But I also think you're a hundred percent right that some founders need some PR help.
You'd like to think it could come naturally.
Like you mentioned people like Wab and Frank, I'd say Wab more than Frank for me personally.
I think sometimes Frank puts his foot in it as well.
And I think over time he'll, he'll get better with that.
I think Wab does it really well.
I'm not just saying that because he's in the room and he DM me to say nice things about
him.
But I didn't even realize he was in the room.
Yeah, no, no, he's, yeah, of course Wab's, Wab's local.
He's one of the, he's the OG beyond the GM fam.
He was part of the, the first lineup.
Um, so shout out to Wab inside the ride.
He's like Bloody Mary, dude.
You say his fucking name three times in a mirror, spin around Wab appears.
Wab always appears.
No, no, no.
You got to arf three times.
You got to arf three times.
That's what I like to see, man.
That's what I'm, I'm bullish on for and going to your point is like those founders and you
don't have to be like active, you know, like it doesn't mean that you have to be around
every day.
People aren't, I think people that expect that would be a bit delusional.
They've got a company to run and a, and you know, a project to build.
But I think having active founders nowadays for me is important.
The, the days of mystery and all of that is gone.
And I think some founders, I think for me specifically, Clonex and Doodles, I think they do need a
bit of help with the PR or just thinking about how they're speaking, uh, on the timeline as
well, because, um, and it's not like the whole team.
I just think certain members of the team could definitely, uh, be, be a bit more choose,
choose wisely with their words because yeah, holders, uh, like you said, and Farouk said it
earlier where, you know, we're all very passionate people as well.
And sometimes in translation of language or slang or whatever it is, things get misconstrued.
And, um, you know, people take that a bad way, like poopies tweet, like we don't know
the context.
And I actually wanted to ask digital if he knew the context, cause obviously there's
some, like, he didn't just randomly tell that guy to, to floor it and, and get the fuck
out.
Digital, do you know like why, what happened in that?
Cause all we're seeing is that screen grab.
Obviously we're seeing that one, one side of, of the story, so to speak.
Oh, great.
The one time I want to speak about Doodles.
I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here.
Sorry, I hit my back.
My bad.
So, uh, yeah, no, you go through the discord history.
I can happy to screenshot it, but the guy was coming at poopy the entire time.
He was trolling them.
He's like, Hey, like, you know, get me out of this shitty project.
You know, will you buy this?
He was, he was being pretty disrespectful.
That being said, the discord in Doodles is a little bit toxic and has that kind of like
evil, uh, vibe or slant to it.
So it kind of went with, I don't know.
It wasn't so surprising that he responded in that way.
And that that's just kind of how the discord goes.
But once you screenshot it, um, you know, then all hell broke loose.
So it is what it is.
Uh, but yeah, as we're talking about like these communities and founders really needing
to look within and kind of be what it is that they're ultimately trying to be either for
the project, for the community and really decide and tell people what that thing is.
Um, you know, I think there's, there's also, uh, there's also an opportunity for these projects
to, for in their, their communities to find people within, um, and maybe have them even
elevated into the project level.
So in our, you know, there's a, there's a doodles group chat right now where people are
really just all trying to come together and figure out what's the strategy to move forward.
We brought in like the product manager from doodle.
So he's listening to all our feedback.
So it's nice to have those touch points, but what we came up with, um, and I know
while it's in the audience, so maybe this is a good or bad idea, but we were like, who's
going to be our camel?
Who's going to clap back at people?
Who's going to get spicy so that when someone says talk shit about doodles, they're going
to wish they did right.
Like fuck around and find out.
And so, you know, that's a little bit of like community alpha.
We're trying to sort it out.
Right.
But we got a few people who can give spicy takes.
I don't know if they could do what camel's done.
And, you know, we obviously don't have a meme maker, but who the fuck knows?
Hey, that's a good point.
It's a good point.
I, I like that though.
I like that doodles are clapping back as well.
Um, I think obviously in that situation, it definitely, uh, got misconstrued, but also
maybe it was a bit harsh, uh, to say, to say that, but I don't know.
I've, I've seen mixed things, so I don't really want to want to get into it.
I've, I've sort of seen both sides of the story being, being told.
Wab, my guy, you joined us.
I said, no pressure.
I know you're busy.
I know you're front in front of the computer with three different deliverance, breakfast,
lunch, and dinner all ready to go.
What are you saying, my guy?
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's day.
How are you doing?
Hey man, I'm doing all right.
Yeah.
Uh, I didn't want to talk on this topic, but then you did DM me and then, uh, I started
getting called out as well.
So not called out, but mentioned.
So I'm up here now.
Um, yeah, I mean, uh, you know, I think the doodles community, they're definitely a very
strong community.
Um, and they, like they will eventually find success as long as they just resolve their
current issues.
Right.
Um, I think one of the things that I noticed with how the response was to this was that
like the, when, when you're in a situation like this, you just have to make sure, like
the first thing is to make sure that the other side or the community, whoever it is feels
heard.
Right.
Um, and I think, uh, poopies response, uh, achieved that in some ways.
I think some people took it as if like, there was a bit of like a bite back from it, which
I think you have to be very careful of.
You don't want to come off like too snarky when you, um, you know, have a rebuttal like
that because you want people to just feel heard and that you understand that, you know,
they have issues and they have concerns and then, you know, having like an actionable
plan, like how are we going to resolve this?
Like, what are the real concerns?
Like being able to filter out that noise and actually address it so that your core holders,
the ones who are actually invested in the project have their concerns addressed.
That's the most important thing.
Like once you lose your core holders, the minters, the, the, the people who have stuck by
you, like it's over.
And I think that's one thing that they just need to focus on, like ignore outside, like
the outside noise, like people, people are going to dunk on doodles because they want
to dunk on doodles.
Um, it's only really a concern for the team.
Once that starts penetrating within the community, you know, we've seen collections like D gods,
um, with Frank, where they're pumped off of this sort of FUD.
Um, but I think in this case, you know, it has some, had some negative effect, which shows
within the community that there are, there are some breaches and those just need to be
repaired.
But with time, I think that will be corrected.
Um, I, I think like my personal take is that like the whole idea of just, you know, building
a brand and then hoping that it will accrue value into the base assets.
Like, I don't think that's a real plan.
Um, but that's like my subjective opinion.
I think you do have some moral like obligation to do right by your holders and give them some
sort of upside in like the, whatever you're creating.
And that's part of creating a web three company.
That's part of creating an NFT company.
Um, you know, if you weren't going to do that, then why would you found an NFT company in
the first place?
You know, um, but that's my take anyway.
I don't want to get too much into this.
I agree.
I agree.
I think there needs to be that value for the holders.
And, um, and I, I have to say like when, when I got the clone, I was expecting loads
of value because they'd done loads, you know, they gave, if you got into clone X early, you
got so much shit.
Like, you know, I remember seeing breakdowns of how much stuff that you got just from being
in there early, which was amazing.
And then when I got involved, my fucking luck, I get involved when you then start getting
nothing for a while.
And then people started feeling like, hmm, like are the clones like, you know, still
valued as much.
And I think collections really need to be wary of that as much as like they do building
in the web to world, having all, you know, these collaborations and other success.
And, and, and obviously we want these projects to build outside of the immediate 10,000, 20,000,
you know, whatever holders that's, you know, we, we need that.
Otherwise, like everyone's been saying, we're just stuck in this echo chamber forever.
But I think, um, it's really important to value the holders.
And I have to say from me buying the mutant, you know, and I didn't even get that like mega
early.
Um, I've, I've had loads of value out of it.
I've just held it.
I've held it through the ups and downs of being at the top and, and, you know, being able
to swap it for, for a Lambo, uh, and I didn't do it.
And, um, and, uh, and I'm still here, but I still, I don't feel too bad about it because
I'm constantly getting value from having it.
You know, I've had so many different moments of value.
Plus I've had IP offerings.
Um, and, uh, and plus I get to roast, uh, digital and beast because I've got the best
looking PFP out of all three of us.
So, you know, uh, I think projects like doodles and clones now, I think they had a lot of good
ideas and they put a lot of them out, but then a lot of people had to then wait for
these things to happen, which is kind of cause this kind of frustration, uh, within those
communities as well, because you've got with doodles, you got the boxes and, you know, you've
got now like the, the, the, um, the Genesis thing, and you've got all these different things
going on.
Uh, but people were still kind of waiting to an extent, even with the monolith, you
kind of got the, the sneakers, uh, or the trainers, as we say here, the proper, uh, proper
word, uh, here in, in the UK.
Um, and those still, you know, we don't know when they're going to come.
They've got like a screen on them and all this stuff.
So I'm sat even, that's probably going to be a while till that comes as well.
So I think with doodles and clone X, I think they also, you know, rushed things out because
of the excitement, which I can understand, like they're doing all this innovative stuff.
They want to get these ideas out there as well and be the first to do it, which was exciting
at the time when they were dropping these things.
So holy fuck, what's in the doodle box?
Like, what the fuck's that going to do?
Like, am I going to be a millionaire?
If I buy that box, like everyone was speculating what's in the monolith?
If, oh shit, the monolith has another monolith, does that mean monolith two has another monolith
and all this, all this speculation, which was exciting at the time.
But then as it's the, the time has gone on, like people are kind of holding these things
and, and even with other deeds as well, to an extent, people have kind of just had to
hold the other deeds from the highs.
And obviously people paid mad money in gas fees.
They've just had to hold onto it and go, right.
So this, this digital land image is going to be good in a, you know, at some point, but
we don't know when that is.
And I think that causes frustration as well when things are launched too early.
Tal, what are you saying?
I had this discussion with a couple of friends the other day.
I'm trying to find out, and I don't know if it's subjective, I guess it can be like,
what, what is value, you know?
And I don't want to seem like this is some philosophical question.
Like, it just sounds so ridiculous though.
Like is value holding this NFT just to get more NFTs, you know?
And, and what is the cost, whether time or money or whatever it is spent by a project
founder or project founders, um, to deliver these, uh, you know, value, this value, you know,
like they're, they're sending us more NFTs, but the market, the market is the one that
decides the price.
Like board ape can give us a bunch of NFTs.
They can only be worth 0.01.
Is that considered value?
You know, um, I think board ape is not the only one that's like, you know, blind bagging.
If I, if I say that and actually believe it would be completely ridiculous, but they do
deliver value.
You know, they deliver a solid community.
I've, I've interacted with people that I never would have interacted with my entire
life, even being in this space.
But like, I mean, if you think about it, we're, we're across the world from each other and
we're exchanging ideas and building each other up in one way or another.
So you could say that the community is a great value and, and they stick together.
But like, I'm trying to find out what the, what the best value is, another t-shirt, another
NFT that I could sell for more money, a fanny pack, socks.
Do you see what I'm saying?
So I'm, that's kind of the part where I'm struggling.
And I think it's starting to become more difficult since we've been here for a while, since a lot
of people have been here.
Like we've been in the trenches.
We've, we've seen the fuckery that occurs and we kind of know how to navigate it a little
bit better, not that we're perfect at it.
It's just, I'd love to hear other people's opinion on what they define as value, you know,
and, and tread lightly when you, when I hate to say it and sound like I'm threatening, you
know, when you say something is value, it might sound completely fucking absurd.
So, uh, I, I just don't know.
I don't know how, how people decide what value is.
No, it's a good, it's a good question.
And I think there is no, um, one answer.
I think obviously it's such a new space.
Everyone's still learning and finding out what value can come from, uh, NFTs and these
projects and, and web free.
Um, so I think, yeah, it's, it's, it's hard to, to define what value is.
Well, uh, you had your hand up.
What do you reckon?
Yeah.
So, I mean, value is such an abstract term and there's like NFTs and collections are
just technologies, right?
And there's not a one size fits all solution and every single project or company is going
to try and achieve something different.
But I think more abstractly, what value is to most people is feeling like you're included
in the journey of the brand or the company, feeling like you're a part of it and that you're
benefiting from being involved in that journey.
I think that's what it's mostly about.
And I, I hundred percent agree, man.
I mean, I was thinking a lot about this also.
And for me actually like the community and being a part of a social club of like similar
minded people who wants to get better, who wants to build, who wants to push the space
forward.
Uh, it's a value for me.
I mean, it makes, you know, like, uh, even like the opportunity to be closer to the founders
that, for example, inspire me or that I believe in, it's a value for me.
So I think it's exactly as you were saying.
I mean, it's like a, it's intangible thing, but, uh, I think at this point, I mean, yeah,
all this like the community and, uh, it's value.
So yeah, I like to echo that sentiment, right?
So I think value is, is completely subjective and how each project or team decides to add
value to a tolders is going to be different.
Right.
But I don't know for me, I look at web three, no different than anything else in like my
investment portfolio.
I just diversify it.
Like, all right, from this project, I'll get this.
So, uh, Azuki, right?
Like I have direct access to the team at any point in time, which is amazing.
I don't, I don't, I don't abuse that, but it's great to know that.
And I'm also being able, you know, I'm also able to interact with folks who are using their
IP or doing dope shit, dope shit, and, you know, are just there to talk to me when I'm
having a bad day with my daughter, right?
Like we literally have had spaces around that for date.
I mean, it's, it's all those things too, but the economic incentives, at least to date
have been amazing.
Right.
So like it checks off that box.
And I mentioned earlier, like doodles to me is kind of more of like a, a long shot innovation
cultural play, right?
Like I really do hope that Pharrell puts out a great album with its animation and, you
know, maybe I'll be able to use my IP, but to possibly be in on some of that journey as
a collector, I guess is what they want us to say.
We are, um, that's, that's interesting to me.
Um, but they're all different asset classes in my mind.
It might not be right to think about it that way, but that's the way I've kind of like
settled.
Like none of these things are the same and I'm going to get different things from them.
Um, and the last thing I'll say is like, I'm thinking about getting a clone now and
beast and, and send it.
You guys know this.
We, in our group chat, I'm like, Hey, here's a clone here.
It's called that I've even been more incentive now.
Cause again, I mentioned earlier, but like booze in the audience, I had an hour car ride
home with him and he didn't need to give me a car ride, but like, he's like, I didn't
know he was my neighbor and he's cool as shit.
Right.
Jay, who was also in the car, like both clones.
And I just got the vibes.
I was like, you know what?
This makes me feel something that I can't possibly feel on Twitter.
Um, and I, I feel like this bond with them.
Right.
And if being a clone helps me feel that even more with them and others in the community,
then that's value.
Right.
And I can't even, you know, that's not something that any of the founders would ever tell me
is something that would be on the roadmap, but it's something that's very real in a way.
So super subjective, but yeah.
Very well said, very well said.
Um, I think, uh, yeah, it does vary from project to project, what value you get.
Um, and I think people need to, when you're buying something like Jason, uh, digital said,
you need to kind of make sure, you know, what you're expecting from that.
And, um, and I think, uh, all these projects are still probably working it out as well.
It's still so early on, a lot of them are probably figuring out, right, what are the next steps
of value that we're going to bring?
Just because you're not seeing it straight away, uh, doesn't mean it's not going to happen.
Like I've, I've got a Zuki, uh, and I joked to Dooku, um, like when the fuck something
going to happen, right?
Like, and we're just, we're kind of where we're now sat waiting for the next big Zuki moment.
But we know from seeing how the team active, we had Dem on the show today, he even played
his favorite song of all time, Toxic.
We know they're working hard.
Um, so, fucking hell, I'm so funny.
Um, so we, we, we kind of, we're happy because they're active and they're about, so we know,
right, cool.
That's a trusted investment within the community's lively.
They're on the timeline.
It's like Sappy Seals.
I hold a Sappy Seals.
I don't need to look at the floor price.
I know what Wab and the team are building.
I've seen the, the community presence and how, how great they are on Twitter.
I saw the meme machine.
That's it.
I knew.
I'm like, right, I'm good.
I, I like where this is going.
Um, and, and already I've been given a key as well, um, by Wab.
So I don't know if it gets me into his flat, uh, or what the key does yet.
As usual, these NFT projects love to fucking tell us nothing.
Um, but I've got a key.
It was soul bound.
It was soul bound.
It's different.
Okay.
So it's a soul bound NFT.
So I can't sell it.
Is that what you're telling me?
Yeah.
It's the most, it's the most perfect thing for a founder to do is like give you something
that has no value and just pretend that it does.
It's brilliant.
Beautiful.
Hey, Wab, if I meant, if I meant a ring for my, for my future wife and I make it a soul
bound, do you think that's acceptable?
You know, it's a soul bound ring.
You can never sell it.
And it's kind of poetic.
Yeah, exactly.
If you're, if, if, if it's a metaverse GF, I'm, I'm done with that.
Wait, wait, hold on.
A metaverse GF.
Fuck you though.
I, I, I, I've been spending a little too much time on the Yuga ecosystem, but Sandy,
you mentioned you got a key from Wab.
Can you tell us how you got that key?
Like what kind of key it is?
Like, Oh yeah.
No, luckily, luckily the seals aren't that sus.
It just got airdropped into, into my, into my wallet.
So yeah, there was no sussy, sussy behavior unless Wab, you want to explain it in another
way.
Neil, check, check the tip of the key and then look at the Yuga key tip.
Oh God.
You need to defend wallet, dude.
You need to define what you mean by wallet.
Send it.
My prison wallet.
I was going to say hardware wallet and then just saying the word hard.
I was like, but even that sounds sus.
So, you know, the metaverse wallet, fucking hell guys.
Allow me.
Um, so, but yeah, I think, you know, it's, it's like knowing what, what you're expecting
from these projects.
So if you buy a clone X, you know that you're going to get Nike products.
Um, you're going to get fashion related, uh, you know, like,
uh, drops and activations, but then they're also working on gaming and same
with Yuga, you know, it's gaming and, and it's, and that's the main focus for
them now is gaming and they've made that clear.
So I wanted to chat about the, um, the latest, uh, bull date drop as well.
Cause I was a little bit underwhelmed by that video.
Uh, I've got to say the one that they dropped, uh, to launch the summoning.
The summoning was obviously like a big event.
Um, that was, we were all looking forward to, got pushed back a week and then they launched
it with this video.
And I just felt personally, the video was just a little bit lackluster and I'm kind of
getting a bit frustrated through this whole campaign of just like one, one video, uh, or
one post around like each moment.
I feel like they could definitely hype things up a bit more.
So I'm really hoping that the, uh, the socials get a bit more lively on the Yuga front.
Um, there's only so many back of people's heads, uh, that I can see, you know, wearing
a bull date cap.
I just don't want to see that seven times a day anymore.
I want to see some more actual posts from bull date tout.
What do you reckon?
Uh, you know, I always think about the, the meme that, uh, forgot who it was.
I think it was Gordon talking to PP man.
Maybe he's like, you try starting an NFT company and getting everything right.
You know, it was Chopo with Chopo.
Yeah, it was Joe, you know, so like they've done more good for me than bad.
So I'm more, I don't know.
I don't want to say the word for giving because they really don't owe me anything.
They've already given like straight up, man.
And I, and I really mean this, like the fucking board API club, like change my life for the
better.
Didn't completely change my life.
Like if I didn't step into this, my whole work, but it really did.
And I'm willing to accept fuck ups every now and then, you know, like it wasn't amazing,
but in the grand scheme of things, I see the vision every now and then when I'm feeling
a little bearish, I always referenced and I haven't pinned, I've had it pinned for like
months for like a year, almost at the top of my post.
I never changed it.
It's like the pitch deck and I just go through the pitch deck and I see what the end game
I see what that, what their goal is and I, and I, I can't imagine it being perfect.
It's, and it's not going to be, but which is okay, you know, and, but they have delivered
multiple times and, and anyone who says otherwise is fucking sadly mistaken or trying to FUD to
get a lower entry price.
So I, to answer your question, I was underwhelmed as well, but I still think it's going to be
fucking bad-ass when it's ready to be delivered and it's, it's, it's going to be good to go.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I just think, um, sort of just zooming into like, uh, social media and marketing strategies
of like the, the leading projects and how, uh, you know, Azuki and beans are doing it,
how pudgy penguins are doing it, how sappy seals are doing it.
You know, like I think for me, they've been the, the, the shining, uh, examples and leading,
leading sort of ones in terms of marketing and, and socials.
And I just, like even the ball date Twitter has been stuck a million followers now for
like what feels like six months.
And I just hope that there's someone there going, uh, you know, we should look to now grow
our socials and, and make it a bit more sort of interactive and, and a bit more interesting
in terms of original, uh, content as well.
So I, I hope we see more of that.
We'll chat to Ethan about it.
He's going to be back on, back on the show, uh, next week.
I'm going to call bullshit on this London.
Like, yo, like you, you've already said they're giving you that ugly ass ape that you're, you
know, you're using as your IP.
They've dropped you a coin.
Happy anniversary, ape coin.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's get back to your, yes, yes.
They, they've dropped you sewer passes, which you then floored.
They've given you so much and yet you want more.
You're biting the hand it feeds you, sir.
Of course I want more.
What have we been talking about this entire space about empathy, about wanting projects
and be supportive?
In Gordon and Gaga with memes and, you know, telling them like they're, they're pieces
of shit.
I'm just saying that the, the Twitter and the Instagram could be a bit more interesting.
I think, look, listen, I'm sorry if I'm, the floor's finally recovering on board ape
and now I'm flooding your bag.
But this is just what I'm thinking after seeing the promotion, like the video, just the style
of the video just didn't really excite me for the summoning, you know, like this massive
event.
It just felt like even just the video alone, right?
Because that was the main bit of content they dropped.
If you break it down to what they posted, the video was the main thing.
And if you look at that video, for me, I just wasn't, I wasn't that, that blown away.
But anyway, Yogi, thank you for joining us.
I'm so happy you've agreed to swap one of my Izuki's for your one.
Thanks a lot for joining us, bro.
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Yeah.
Happy Friday.
Thanks for, thanks for hosting.
And dude, I can't wait for the trade.
That mutant from my Izuki, I feel like it's a fair deal.
It's a bargain with the ape staking.
What's, well, mine's, mine's a 74 reef floor.
So you might have to, this might have to be an OTC where you drop me some, some EF and
throw in some golden beans and 10 babus and a few other accessories, a couple of twin
tiger jackets, and we should be even.
I'll send you some chicken and rice as well.
Just, you know, so you have a full stomach to enjoy.
Um, so, and I'll come, my guy, no, I wanted to comment on like some of the topics that
we've been talking.
I think the biggest thing is expectation and reality.
Like people forget how early the space is.
And I'm not saying early, like you're early to crypto because no one's early to crypto
at this point.
Like if you were here 10 years ago, maybe.
But like most of these projects didn't have a business plan going into it.
Like this stuff was a hype meta, like even board apes.
I don't think if you asked Gordon and Garga, do you think board apes are going to be this
big?
And you're going to raise at a billion dollar valuation.
Like no one had that expectation.
Um, the only one that may have had an expectation is probably when clones dropped just because
the Nike deal was probably pending for a year.
But like that still wasn't public.
And so I think this space is now kind of going through this reckoning of like, you know, customer
expectation, what the project can deliver.
And then the timeline, like we've been in this like hyper engaged timeline of like memes,
like doing drops nonstop.
Did Microsoft and even Disney with the amount of money they have can't keep customer attention
like Star Wars dropped way too many movies and it fell apart.
So there's this idea of like finding balance and then how do we actually build upon that?
And the reason why I'm trying to like bifurcate these two ideas is when you look at clone X,
which I was a mentor of, and it's like, it gave me so much, right?
Like you minted those for two weeks a piece and then you got all this free shit.
Like you made, if you minted six ETH worth, you probably made like 80 ETH in the first three
months.
It's kind of bananas.
ETH was $4,000 and like it's, it's, it's wild.
But then you start thinking about people that bought in afterwards are now continuing to
have those expectations.
And the way that I want to kind of talk about this is if you think about the stock market,
it's like a person that invested in the series A and then a guy that invested after the IPO,
which typically dumps for anyone that like doesn't follow the markets.
Usually if you buy the day trading launches, you're probably going to get screwed.
Um, for, for, for most, uh, I'm not saying for all it's, it's just that now you have these
people coming in at 50 to a hundred ETH entries.
And so now they're thinking like, Hey, I'm going to get the same stuff, which you're not
because you're not that early.
And I want to, and the reason why I bring that up specifically is for doodles because
their mint price was, I think sub 0.1 ETH, right?
I can't remember if anyone knows, but, uh, 0.123, 0.123 and, and then on top of that
you're, you're in a marketplace.
So, you know, doodles team made 0.123 ETH for their collection size.
Um, whatever that was, I can't remember.
I haven't actually bought doodles.
I've been looking at it and you have a zero royalty marketplace and now you're a year
like doodles is what, like 16 months into since launch, they need to become like an
actual company.
So I think from poopy's perspective, I get what he's trying to do.
And then I think Fawn or someone mentioned, he just needs a PR guy.
Like the guy just needs to communicate better.
But if you like, and I think digital, you mentioned this, like that chat history was like, that
was very tailored.
And I think that's like for web three, you're basically building a corporate governance model
where the community has a voice and it's an echo chamber on Twitter.
And so you have one guy who has nothing to do with the project.
Screenshot it.
And now everyone's going bananas.
No one's going to do the homework.
And it's like all this FUD.
And the reason why I bring that up is I have a friend that's advising doodles and I'm not
trying to show doodles at all because I have no idea what they're doing.
And I'm like, dude, you're 40 years old.
You're smart.
You have, you've had a great career.
Like you're advising what's going on here.
And he's like, dude, it is so hard to build when you can't publicly share everything until
it's done.
And I'll get to the board eight point on that, that people want everything right now.
And even if we delivered everything right now, they're going to get bored and they're
going to want something else tomorrow.
So you're not going to satisfy that.
And I think that's where some of this like forest burning down is okay, because the people
that get it will stick around and ideally not have an investment bag in the space that,
you know, keeps them up at night.
Like this is, and this is to tout or someone mentioned like, what's the value of the space?
The value in my opinion, and again, my opinion is threefold.
One, can you do some sort of licensing revenue deal that like what pudgies are doing, right?
Like that's one way to generate cash on this.
And it's going to be, again, very select few.
Not all 10,000 are going to become famous.
Number two is the idea that like, this is really kind of like buying Pokemon cards in the
90s, and then some of them are worth a few million bucks.
Like the only difference is you bought those Pokemon cards for 20 bucks.
Today, you're buying JPEGs for 50 to 100K or whatever it is.
And then the third is if, and no one's done it yet because the space is so early.
But the idea that if Doodles, Azuki, Pudgy Penguins, Sappy Seals, whoever it is, if they're
actually able to build the IP, can they somehow, without becoming a security, bring value back
to the holders such that they're heard.
And I think when they're heard, it's the idea of having a community focus group that can
participate in certain meetings.
Maybe it's an NDA, whatever it is, to build a relationship such that they have a voice.
And I think that's kind of like how we need to start thinking about this space.
Like not like expecting something every day, every week, every month, because it's not going
to happen.
And especially for media production, it takes so long.
So I'll pause there.
I know I ranted.
I apologize.
No, thanks.
Thanks for the rant.
I think you're spot on.
And I think people's expectations definitely need to be managed.
It's an interesting point, what you said, like, you know, about being early.
Like if you were early on those projects, then, you know, that's when you got really lucky.
If you minted Bored Apes or if you minted Clone Xs or Azukis, et cetera, then you got lucky
and whatnot, right?
But to expect that same return now is also probably unrealistic from a collector point
of view.
Dooku, you finally managed to join us on your new Solana phone.
You spent all the money on the Spirit.
So you had to downgrade to a Solana phone.
How are you doing, sir?
It's been a real struggle.
I would like to thank and give a big, big shout out to Fated Alpha with a solution on
how to fix this.
It's been quite the journey and happy to be up here.
It really has been quite the week, looking from the side on all the FUD and everything
going on.
It can get very stressful.
I wanted to touch back on something that was brought up here in terms of value.
Each person that got in the space or into a project or a brand got in with a certain
expectation, whether if it's a financial motive or he can buy the NFT or a few of them put
it in his wallet and just forget about it for a year because he believes in the long-term
vision of the brand.
And I just do think that a lot of those toxic or negative comments coming from whoever it
may be in the space are because of those said expectations not being met, either if it's
for the long-term vision or for the short-term vision that they have had in mind.
They may be feel a certain way, but in the grand scheme of things, you do need to take
a step back like Dem said earlier and not focus on that one leaf, but look at the entire
forest because it's a brand and it's a company or a project in its early stages, building something
not for today or for tomorrow or to give you any specific financial incentive to buy into
that project.
But they're building something with their own vision.
And I think all of the projects so far have gotten backlash and gotten FUD that they, most
of them overcame and they managed to rise back up.
And I'm talking blue chips, you know, such as Suzuki, Borde, with the other side men,
et cetera, whatever it may be.
So if the team really does believe in what they started building in the first place, then
those temporary setbacks are what it is.
It's a temporary setback.
And I do think that for all the projects to succeed together, everybody needs to support
one another.
And like Z said a long time ago, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Dooku.
Dooku.
Well said, sir.
And we need to support each other.
I am sending you a pair of pastel socks, my brother, so you can wear those on your Suzuki
as you roll through town in night with your spirit of Zuki.
You deserve a brother.
Wow.
Who hit you with that sound effect?
Wow.
That was not nice, Neil.
No, no.
It was like a wow.
It just kind of had this sort of underlying tone that Elon Musk added.
So Dooku, I bet you're glad you joined the stage and spent an hour and a half trying to
do so because you have now just won some pastel socks to go with your spirit of Zuki.
Hey, he's the golden bean, the head golden bean in charge.
How are you doing?
Thanks for joining us.
Sorry for keeping your hand up for so long.
No, it's okay.
You know, my whole body is gold.
So when I hold my hand up, it's just gold up there.
So it's just kind of stuck there.
It's kind of like a, yeah, it's just stuck there.
No, thanks for bringing me up.
I appreciate y'all.
Appreciate you guys always bringing up the Zukies and beans and damn.
You know, appreciate y'all.
Much love.
I just kind of wanted to weigh in on the conversation earlier about, you know, community building.
I feel like a lot of people in Web3 that invest, that buy, that even analyze, you know, their options, they're very impatient.
You know, people expect companies to be built within weeks, within even a couple of months and products to be ready at the get go.
But the reality is that's not how the real world works.
And, you know, yes, that's a problem.
But also founders can, you know, help mitigate that by empowering and uplifting their community members to kind of almost keep themselves busy, really.
Like, you know, if you empower your community to be happy representing your brand and you get to give recognition to, you know, your top community members and, you know, give them tools to be able to build communities, give them time to be able to talk to you about, you know, working more closely and more aligned with the brand, then, you know, the community is going to engage with itself.
You see with Wob, what he's doing, he's, you know, constantly in his community, just encouraging people to flame him and take pictures of him and meme him.
And he leads the charge as well.
And, you know, Pixel Labs has been around, what, one plus year and nobody, not a single soul is complaining about, oh, yeah, the game's not out yet.
Why? Because, you know, the community is just so excited to be part of this culture that they're building, that they're constantly, you know, evangelizing through every single member.
Like, anyone can reach out to Wob and Camel in that community, I feel like, and say, like, yo, you know, I made this meme, how do you think?
And they'll respond in some way and, you know, they'll be able to have complete artistic and creative freedom to be able to explore that and continue that culture.
And you see the same thing with Izuki, too, with Dem, you know, I DM him constantly.
I know, Digital, you said earlier, you don't abuse the fact that you have ties to the team.
No, I abuse that fact.
I'm like, yo, Dem, check this meme out.
You like it?
Yeah?
Maybe?
Like, dude, he's probably annoyed as hell at me for all the memes I've sent him.
But it just goes to show there's so many things that founders can do to really engage their community without even doing it directly, per se.
Because that community will build itself and engage with itself if you do it the right way, if you uplift the right people, if you empower the right messages.
And, you know, that gives a lot of time for projects to build what they want to build.
It's very true.
It's very true.
We're seeing it.
Frank does it well with D-Gods and Utes.
And WAV, I think, is a shining example of that as well.
So, yeah, I hope that these founders take note.
Because I think as well, the problem is, like, my background is working in entertainment.
And I've worked with a lot of people kind of from early on in their careers to then them being really successful and basically having a lot of money and attention and et cetera.
And sometimes even people that I didn't think would be affected by that do get affected.
And they do lose sense of, you know, what's important and who the core fan base is and even just the direction, like music artists, you know, they start getting famous or start getting known.
And the music starts going in a different direction to what you signed up for as an early fan.
And I think that is also possible with these projects as well, because these people have made so much money, you know, like Yogi said, like if you're in Clone X, you know, early on, like there was a lot of money.
And Clone X made around half or over half of Nike's total earnings last year as well.
So that is, you know, it's big money.
And when you get that kind of money, you might not be on Twitter as much every day.
Which is totally understandable.
But I think you need to figure out how you stay in touch and stay grounded and also, you know, have a real sense of what the community is up to.
Like Ace said, he can just DM Dem, who's a core part of the Izuki team.
And that's bullish for me like that.
The fact that even like I said, we just had him on the show.
We can and Wab, he just comes up through the show.
That's bullish.
I feel safe having my investments in Sappy Seals, in Beans and in Izuki, because they're around.
Even Bald Ape, we have Ethan from the Bald Ape Yacht Club.
He joins us regularly.
And he always asks me for feedback on Bald Ape and what I'm thinking.
So, I feel safe there.
And I hope that other founders take note of that.
If you're just joining, it's Beyond the GM, episode 12.
We've had a really good conversation today about all the drama and spicy content on the timeline.
We've been seeing, been speaking about Doodles, Clone X.
We even mentioned the famous Moonbirds, Fanny Packs.
I don't really know much about Moonbirds, so I don't really, I never really believed in it.
For me, it felt like a real, like, what do you like?
Over here, it would be like Oxford, Cambridge students.
I don't know what the US equivalent is.
Is it Harvard or something?
Like, I don't know.
It just felt like this boys club of very already rich people from rich families all coming together to worship Kevin Rose.
So, I never really got into it, but it would be interesting to see what happens with them.
Laura?
Yeah, so, I just wanted to mention about what you said, you know, when people, like, launch a project and all of a sudden they have all of this money and whatever.
Like, I think that's a very key point because, I mean, I know a lot of people, like, mention this and highlight this.
But a lot of projects, they don't really know how to manage their finances because when you mint a project, it's not your money.
It's, like, money to grow that project or that company or that brand, right?
So, I mean, I understand that a lot of team members need to get paid and a lot of things need to get paid.
But people need to understand that, you know, at the end of the day, like, at the beginning when companies or startups start working, like, a lot of people even work for free for a little bit until they are, like, a sustainable business, you know?
So, it's, like, not about having, like, crazy salaries or paying people crazy amounts of money.
It's more about how can we put this money to work the best we can so we can scale this and make the most of this amount, right?
And I think a lot of the problem here is that a lot of people don't really know how to manage those finances.
It's not that, like, I'm an expert at doing that either, you know?
Like, but I don't have a project.
So, it's, like, but it's something that I've realized and I've, like, I don't know, it's called my attention many times because I've seen, like, a lot of people that are not that, you know, familiarized with how to manage finances.
And they don't understand that they need to pay a lot of things that are not, people don't really teach you these things, you know?
Like, people don't come and say, oh, listen, you're going to have to pay, like, all these things that you are not really counting on, you know?
And you're going to have to pay people for these, people for that, these platforms.
You're going to have to pay these taxes.
You're going to have to pay all of those things that is, like, whoa, people are not counting on those expenses, you know?
So, it's, like, more difficult to, like, scale the project when you are spending all this money and, like, bigger salaries for the team right away, right?
So, I think that's a good point that you made even though it wasn't, like, in this direction.
But I just felt like it needed to be mentioned because it's something that I've been observing a lot, like, people, as you said, getting crazy with the money and whatever.
And I wanted to mention as well, I'm, I love Sappy Seals.
I mean, it's, like, I'm a holder and I love it.
I'm not part of the team.
I don't get paid at all.
I wish, I mean, Wob, bro, I wish he paid me because I use Sappy Seals so much.
I make everyone buy them.
But, yeah, no, I'm not paid or anything.
But Wob does it very well because it's, like, very down to earth, you know?
He never, like, the way he lives and the way he behaves and he interacts, like, he's not, you know, spending money.
Like, he's very down to earth.
So, I really like that.
And I think a lot of founders should, you know, take notes and just learn from it, you know?
Just because I think it's a good point.
Very well said.
Yeah, I think it's definitely something that affects people, you know, in any walk of life.
So, it's not going to be any different here when you've made bull market money.
Then you're going to be having a lovely time.
And rightly so.
You killed it.
You were in it at the right time.
You were early.
But, yeah, you can't lose that sense of the community and the vision.
Faded, thanks for joining us.
Thanks for getting Dooku on the stage as well.
How are you doing, bro?
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
Yeah, no problem.
And since we're all doing walk-up music.
Let's get it.
How about for St. Tim Passenger?
This a G5?
No, this not a challenger.
I keep some members with me in the fridge.
The coach sees.
They some cannibals.
They like the geek geek.
Drink a ho.
I don't wake up and repeat.
Well, I appreciate you having me up.
My guy.
One of my favorites.
So, I like you already.
Faded.
That is.
I play that tune all the time.
There you go.
Well, I figured, you know, I appreciate, you know, the conversation.
This is some really good conversation.
I figured, you know, someone from the MFRS community had to come up because we are kind
of the anomaly.
We have no management team.
We have no funding.
We have no any of that.
We are just 100% pure community.
You know, and I, you know, when I hear a lot of people talk about expectations and, you
know, managing expectations from the founding team and the management team, we've never had
any expectations.
And if you come to MFRS community spaces, we're not complaining about workplace or management
team, devs do something.
It's really just a chill, chill vibe.
You know, and we talked about value as well.
You know, when I looked at this and kind of NFT projects, you know, for, you know, for
the more younger people, it looks like it's fraternities, but for older people, it's country
clubs.
And what are the value of those groups and everything?
You know, it's people don't pay 100K for the golf at a country club.
It's networking.
It's communities.
It's information.
It's access to information, you know, and it's a feeling.
You know, Henry Ford, when he actually got put on trial when he was doing his Model
T, and they thought that, you know, they asked him questions about the tuning, about the
engineering, about all that.
He said, I don't have to know that, you know, because I have this person who knows that.
And then he would say, I would have that person that knows that.
So I don't have to know all this information that you're asking me to produce the car that
I'm going to produce to change the world.
And so I'll just say this as a mic drop and a little spiciness from the MFR community
as a blue chip.
You know, we have a lot of, you know, beautiful PFPs up here, you know, with some great founding
teams and some great funding, but you MFRs couldn't even get Dooku on the stage.
Whereas our community that has no management team, no funding, literally just DMed them
and was like, yo, MFR, this is how you do it.
So we talk about value.
We talk about utility.
MFRs are right here, MFRs.
Faded, fucking love you, bro.
Faded.
Wait, wait, faded.
Don't drop down.
Um, in, in 10 seconds or less, tell people how to, um, to unrug themselves.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Sure.
Value and utility.
So, and maybe Dooku can tell you like the exact platform.
So somebody came up and said that they had to, um, uninstall the Twitter from their Android.
And then I guess when people usually install apps from their Android, they use the Google
marketplace.
And he said that you can't go back to the Google marketplace.
There's some other marketplace that people are allowed to, to use the apps for.
And he used that marketplace to download the Twitter thing.
And then it started working again.
So maybe Dooku can provide the marketplace.
Cause I don't know what the name is, but that's the key.
I really, I think it depends on the phone you're using.
Um, but I think besides the Google play store itself, you have like the phones, individuals,
uh, shop, like mine is like a Samsung shop.
So you go there.
Oh my God, Samsung fucking hell Dooku, mate.
You can't have a word.
Bro, at least I could have had multiple things open.
No wonder you couldn't get on spaces.
You just wasted an hour and a half.
You just need to change your phone.
Oh man.
You got, wait, you have a Samsung and you're, you're fighting my socks.
I got, no.
Yeah.
I don't have, I don't have a Samsung.
I've got an iPhone.
Please behave.
No, I'm talking to Dooku.
The little pen thing.
I love that.
Wait, wait, just real quick.
So I don't own an MF-er, but, uh, faded in just my exposure to him and that community.
They're fucking crazy memers, but we also, so they'll, they'll make you laugh until you're
on the fucking floor.
But on top of that, we hosted a space yesterday together.
And I was on mute the entire time because these motherfuckers are gigabrains, right?
They're talking about like macroeconomic trends that date back to what's reminiscent of like
1908.
I'm like, one, the actual fuck.
All to say is that I felt that after that space that I needed to go out to my backyard
and start shoveling immediately to create a bunker for safety for me and my family.
Like, like that's some fucking, I don't know if that's utility, that's fear mongering or
they're, they just know exactly what's going to happen.
But, uh, props to the MF-ers, you don't want to get on their bad side because they're smart
as shit and they'll meme the fuck out of you.
So I'll just jump in there and then I'm just going to switch to listener because this is
the mic drop.
Just take a look at the pen up top.
I was five months ahead of everybody on MF-ers.
Peace out.
Right.
Yes, faded.
Big love for joining us.
Thanks for embarrassing us all.
Uh, and I love the MF-ers, very bullish on them.
I think they're going to be around for a long time and definitely a solid community as well.
Um, I haven't seen what he's pinned.
Uh, cause I'm trying to focus on my job here, guys.
Uh, but I did see what Fawn, uh, pinned, um, to the top, uh, just before.
And I have to say she is single-handedly sorted out my outfit for NFT NYC, um, with this
kind of mood board, uh, she's put together.
If you have a look, I think we have to talk about it quickly.
Fawn, could you quickly describe the look?
Cause it's, it's quite something.
I absolutely cannot take credit.
I absolutely copy pasted, right click, save this, um, from Twitter.
I cannot even remember where I saw it.
Um, so I can't give credit either.
Sorry.
Um, but yeah, inspiration.
I mean, it's just all the best pieces from all the best blue chips.
I'm just a big fan.
Um, yeah.
If I saw someone wearing that NFT NYC.
Like, honestly, like save some bitches for the rest of us, bro.
You know, yeah, that is, that is made Max Riz, uh, as everyone likes to say, fucking hell.
Yeah.
All you need is the goot, uh, the doodles, gold socks on to top it off.
And everyone's coming home with you.
Um, so yeah, man, uh, we're wrapping up.
Uh, all right.
We've got a bloody hell.
I didn't see him cause he's an invisible friend.
Um, we've got D3PO on the stage.
What are you saying, bro?
Thanks for joining us.
First time on the show.
Yes, sir.
I'm learning.
And it's, it's to your point.
It is my first time.
And it's, uh, I wanted to speak to value and you're, uh, you're, you know, you're hosting
on Twitter.
We call it crypto Twitter.
And when you talk about value and projects, um, I came here because I'm learning more about
Twitter.
I'm learning more about the stages.
I'm learning more about people that are hosting and co-hosting and wanting to increase
their followers and wanting to increase their content.
And that's something that, you know, it's, it's, if you're in the space, you know, that
sappy seals, um, has a large Twitter, uh, presence.
And so when we talk about value, nobody ever wants to discount that money, money, money.
I get that that drives everything.
I'm never going to discount that, but there does come at a time and a place where you look
past the money and you look for value somewhere else.
Take my example, Sam, I'm an attorney of 18 years.
Okay.
But that's in web two.
I'm a nobody in web three.
I am an infant.
I have no more experience in web three than the time I've spent here.
So when I actually talk to people about doing work in web three, I literally tell them I
have a year and a half experience.
I don't BS them and tell them I have 18 years experience.
I have a year and a half.
So the value for me is I look for projects that might be able to point me in the direction
of where I might be able to do some legal work, whatever that may be.
And what three for somebody else, it might be, how do they find a moderation job or a
community manager job?
Or how do they find the ability to get more followers, you know, like we're talking about
or do more spaces.
So I think when you're looking for value, ask, of course, ask yourself, is it money?
Then you're going to have to look for higher floor price or the ability to flip a project.
But if you go past the money, you have to ask yourself, what do you want at whatever age
you are at whatever stage?
That's why somebody said you may have to work for free for somebody, just like you
might intern for somebody coming right out of high school or right out of college to get
your dream job somewhere.
You have to ask yourself, what do I want at this stage of my life from this space that
I'm in?
What do I want?
And then that's the value.
And then you go seek it out in whatever project that may be.
And just listening to all you guys and gals talk, there's so many smart people that you
can meet in this space.
There's so many people that can give you information.
Just sometimes listen.
And I talk a lot.
Sometimes just listen and you can find out what that value is.
You can find out where that project is.
Just like the MF just said, just like the board apes are talking about.
I've spent time with people on the stage.
I love A's.
I love Next.
I love the two ladies on the stage.
I've spent time with them.
Everybody has a gift they can give to you.
They can point you in the right direction.
If you listen, you'll figure out what your value is and somebody will point you in the
direction of where you're trying to find it.
And again, even at my old man age, I've considered myself blessed to do any legal work in Web3
because after 18 years of doing this ridiculous grind in Web2, I'm reinvigorated by doing something
different in Web3.
So look for your value and wherever you can find it.
Don't make it just about money, although I know that makes the world go round.
And you will find that there's so much that you can find in crypto Twitter and NFT projects
and you will get that value you're looking for.
Yeah, ma'am.
Yeah.
Thank you for joining us.
And I think you're spot on.
And I think people just need to be a bit more sensible.
But we all know that.
We all degen into things.
So, yeah, I think hopefully over time that naturally happens.
Ashley, you've kind of seen things unfold from the bull run to now.
Well, what do you make of what's happening and what do you think is going to be next steps
for those projects?
So we've been talking about this a lot.
I think that people are starting to realize that no matter how.
Hey, man, D3.
Sorry, bro.
I said Ashley.
Unless your name's Ashley as well.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
No, no.
All good.
All good.
I just wanted Ashley to speak.
We haven't gone to her and it's her first time on the show as well.
So I just wanted to quickly throw to her as well.
But, yeah, thank you for joining us, bro.
So, okay, D3, I love you, bro.
So, like, it's been interesting to watch, like, since, like, the – I feel like I've
been there through the top and then through the absolute bottom.
I feel like the more that we go through those cycles, the more we get, like, good quality
people and projects and people start to realize that it's not all about hype.
It's not all about floor price.
It's all about what you're doing to fuel your community.
And I think that community has been the most important factor to NFTs and the Web3 community
in general and, like, I've noticed personally, like, my feed has evolved in such a way where
I feel like I'm actually getting good quality people again.
Like, I'm not seeing the same old tweets.
I'm not seeing, you know, shit about sweeping floors and, you know, engagement farming.
Like, back in 2021, November especially, like, I feel like constantly we were, like, spammed
with, like, that kind of thing or, like, spammed with people, like, shilling just complete shit.
People, like, that were really big influencers shilling, like, terrible, terrible projects.
Um, and now I'm just super encouraged by, like, the quality of people that are left.
So with each new, you know, bear market, like, the, the, we're trimming the fat, you know,
as they say, and we're getting to where we really need to be.
And that's where I like to be.
I don't know.
I, I, I really like the new meta.
I love how we're evolving.
And honestly, I feel like we're going to go in a more Web3 gaming direction more than anything
because that seems to be, like, a recession-proof industry is gaming.
Very true.
Very true.
It is one of the biggest, uh, industries.
And no matter what, people are always going to be gaming.
And I think that number will probably only keep going up.
And that's probably why Yuga, with their evaluation and, you know, the amount of money
that's being invested into the company have probably gone that route.
And I know Artifact, uh, are looking to go that route.
Obviously, Doodles have brought out, uh, one of the top animation studios.
So you can imagine them also going down that route or down the animation route as well.
Um, so I think, yeah, we'll definitely see more of that.
I'm not a pro gamer.
So I also am a little bit anxious about that when I hear that Bored Apes kind of focus is gaming
just because I'm not really a gamer.
And I liked playing, uh, Dookie Dash and, and, uh, and all of that.
But I was shit.
So, uh, I'm never going to get a good score or a companion, you know, like, by playing
myself.
So, yeah, I think that's going to be interesting.
I wonder, because it felt like the game was almost aimed at pro gamers rather than, uh,
you know, like your average, uh, Bored Ape holder.
So, and I, I, I wonder whether that was tactical or that's just the levels and I'm really, really
bad.
Um, but it'll be interesting to see how, how that, uh, unfolds.
Where's.
Yeah.
So off of gaming, um, I think that AR is going to be absolutely huge coming up.
I learned about, uh, a separate project, like all of my murals, I am doing, uh, AR integrations
and with my NFTs.
And, um, I, we were talking about it and, uh, it's called Super World and, uh, it's so fascinating.
So it's virtual real estate.
So like you go and you mint a location, like, let's say Times Square, well, you use, um,
augmentation to throw up your own advertisement.
So like, whether that be like art or, um, something that you're trying to promote or like
tickets for a concert, um, that is like the next day or something like that.
I mean, the possibilities are endless.
Um, and that got me super bullish, like just like virtual real estate in general.
And then, um, and then all of the things that you can use AR for.
So, um, like V tubing, uh, for streaming, uh, within the game, um, and, and taking those
components that you're really bullish on in like, uh, I guess the metaverse, you could
say the metaverse or even just like your online gaming presence or your online presence.
And taking that into the, the real world.
Um, so we're not just stuck in a metaverse somewhere, you know, um, and actually experiencing,
we're just making our like human experience better.
And I, I love that.
And so I'm, I'm pretty bullish on AR.
Do y'all know of any other things that are incorporating AR right now?
Um, well, I saw the gorillas do it really well, um, recently, uh, the music group, um, led
by, uh, Damon Albarn.
They did, uh, some AR stuff.
I think it was in New York, maybe, um, that they did it actually around like Times Square
and around there.
It looked amazing.
Um, and I've seen a few different, uh, artists as well.
Like you've mentioned street artists, um, do that kind of thing, which looks really cool.
Um, when you're there in front of a wall and then you get your phone out and then that wall
kind of comes to life, um, which is, you know, super cool.
And you can imagine, uh, projects kind of doing that.
We spoke about it, didn't we, was, uh, a while ago about, uh, imagine outside the eight
fest, you have like an AR wall when you can, you know, you put your phone up and, uh, something
like the other side comes to life or, or whatever it is.
Um, so yeah, I think the AR, AR stuff will definitely grow.
Sorry, digital.
No, I was just going to say, um, yesterday I had the first, uh, chance to actually interact
with the artifact hoodie and the, the AR that comes from that.
And that was dope as shit.
Like if you see it on your timeline, it, it, it looks fine.
Right.
But it's when you actually interact with it on your phone, it's a whole different level.
And so I, I'd imagine artifact with the sneakers, the try on wearables, uh, the QR codes on,
you know, the hoodies and probably other wearables.
You're going to see more of that.
Um, and winners, I know you're going to be doing murals.
Uh, I think you're getting up with like NFT NYC Bushwick.
Um, I don't know if you've already, if you already have a concept for your mural, uh, I have
a suggestion if you're open to it, but if you could possibly paint, um, a composition
that depicts you, Laura and Ashley pillow fighting, um, over Franklin's wallet, uh, all
the while there's a, uh, I love BJ cushion in the corner, uh, with tacos flying all about
and with the augmented reality feathers, basically flood the entire screen as you guys are battling
for said prize.
Uh, I think that would be sensational, but I'll see it less.
What's so digital that that's the beauty of AR you can like my mural that will go up, whether
it's in, uh, Wynwood in Miami or in Bushwick.
Um, I can update that video to be whatever I want it to be like, um, currently they, they
will be of my, uh, collection, but I can always add that in to the, to the part, just like
the, the, the dynamic way that you can just continually change the content just makes, just
keeps eyes on things and keeps like, you want to go and see if it's changed or like while
you're walking your dog or like whatever, you know, it's, it's just wild.
Um, and it, it brings a lot of interest towards not only NFTs, but artists and, and being able
and like advertisement.
Um, it, it just brings all the things that are very lucrative all to one like pinnacle.
And I'm, I'm real bullish on it.
I don't know if you can tell.
I can hear it.
I can hear it in your voice.
And it also sounds like you said yes.
So everyone will take a group field trip to Bushwick.
If you're coming to NFT NYC, bring your phones, make sure they're fully charged.
Uh, we are going to look at some, some AR of, uh, of the ladies of web three, uh, pillow
fighting, hopefully with down pillows.
Um, it's going to be fun withers.
We, we love, we love that you're pushing the envelope here.
Uh, Laura, what are you saying?
Yeah.
So I have so many things to say basically because I wanted to say something before, but now I'm
just thinking, withers, I'm so sorry, but I like, I love you.
Um, kind of, I guess when we are not fighting over something that I want, but I mean, I'm
just going to win.
So I'm so sorry for you, but like, it is what it is.
Um, if you guys bet, uh, for me, like, you know, like you, you just think I'm going to
win because that's, what's going to happen.
Um, I just want to know, like, I want to take percentage of your bets.
Okay.
Cause at the end of the day, I am the one that is going to be making you money.
Um, so I think at least I deserve that.
Um, but yeah, apart from that, I just wanted to say that Ashley and withers were like spot
on when they said like gaming and AR, like, that's what I'm most bullish on to be honest
as well.
Like, I think, you know, this technology can be implemented in so many ways.
Like we are just, you know, experimenting with it, but the implementations are like limitless,
you know, like we are like just in the, at the beginning, like this has so much, um,
we can do it, like we can do whatever we want.
Right.
Like, uh, I just think the technology has a huge potential, but definitely more than
like quote unquote gaming, which I think is like, uh, like incredible, like it has a lot
of potential as well.
Like in itself, like as an industry, like the gaming industry, um, integrated with web
three is like the whole thing that I think it's gonna take off if, you know, someone
does it correctly.
And, and, you know, the, the major gaming companies have an incentive to implement it
and so on, but the gamification of things is what I think is going to, um, bring like
a lot of mass adoption, you know, because it's not so much about playing a game, but like
having gamification experiences in like everyday stuff.
And also like for marketing, AR marketing gamification, like I just, I don't know.
I just think that's like the future for sure.
And like a huge implementation of this, I mean, but yeah, I agree.
I think it's definitely going that way.
And there's so much you can do with it and gamifications, um, really like the key word
there as well that you've, that you said, I think, cause the way that it's being done
by, uh, like NFT projects and being done well is really cool.
And I think brands are kind of seeing that and also kind of realizing the emphasis of
community and using your community to kind of, um, build your, build your kind of campaigns
as well, as opposed to just kind of sending it to them.
Uh, so I definitely think there'll be more of the gamification.
Uh, I think 10 KTF have done that really well and led the way.
And now I think we'll see kind of more, more of that.
Uh, Ashley, welcome back.
Did you, I thought you had enough of us.
Oh shit.
Oh, maybe yes.
I keep rugging dude.
No, I, I was, uh, I got rugged really bad and then I came back and then I was hearing
about the pillow fight.
I, and honestly, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm fine with either one of them getting, you
know, Franklin's wallet.
What I really want is, you know, all of us to have titty pillows and do that kind of pillow
fight.
Cause I feel like that's going to be the best way to do it.
I don't know.
I don't know what you think.
Ashley.
I love that.
I wanted to say it, but I don't think it would have been appropriate.
So I'm really glad you stepped up because we did need a titty shout out before the space
ended.
You're a legend.
I love it.
So same like the Madison square garden fight, uh, with titty pillows will be absolutely insane.
I can't wait.
Wait, we also learned that we can, we can use a phone and just point it in front of the
wall and see it live with AR.
So damn, I mean, there is so many things that going on.
Love it.
Yeah.
I am now the, uh, Don King of, uh, Web3, uh, wait, wait, wait, I'm making an announcement.
I am the Don King of, uh, Web3, um, boxing, pillow fights, UFC, uh, whatever you want.
And we, beyond the GM, we'll be hosting this event, um, at Madison square gardens.
If we can't get into there, we'll let you know where, uh, digital is mentioning hippodrome.
I haven't done a location recce yet.
That's right.
That's the official word, a location recce.
Uh, we'll be going there to check it out.
Um, and yeah, and you guys can pay like $20.
How much was, uh, uh, Jake Paul versus Tommy Fury?
That was like 20 pounds.
So what's that like $30?
So yeah, is everyone happy with like around $30 a ticket?
Sounds fair.
Ace, would you pay for that?
Oh, absolutely.
Um, but I definitely think you should mark it as $29.99.
Um, oh, genius.
Yeah.
Yep.
And I've heard, I've heard there might be a future, future utility also, if you get that
ticketing NFT.
So I think that's a reasonable price.
You know, we love a good PO app.
Yeah.
We're going to have it.
We're definitely going to have a PO app.
I don't know what the fuck it's going to do, but we're going to have one.
You're going to be there collecting it and it's going to do nothing.
Thorn.
Yeah.
Just on the subject of AR, um, like games and stuff.
I just thought I'd bring up one because I know it through Vega Genesis, who's a clone.
Um, he's like a clone rapper.
He's amazing.
He's actually got a mixtape coming out now.
So, um, go check out his page.
But anyway, I'll link, um, in the comments and then I'll pin it up.
But basically he did a collaboration.
I think it was back in December, um, with an app called, um, Pixel Link.
Um, I don't know if anyone's heard of it, but it's basically like a new gen AR, um, like
Pokemon Go that you can basically collect like digital collectibles in web three.
Um, and it's like attached to like music, um, like concerts and things like that.
I'll, I'll pin it so you guys can see like what I mean, but it's really cool.
So like, check that out.
If you're into that and you think that that's like the future, you should definitely check
this out because they're doing really cool things.
Sick.
We'll have to check it out.
Wiz, that's one for you.
Next.
How are you doing, bro?
Yo, yeah, I'm doing amazing.
Like it's, you know, it's Friday, you know, Europe nice time, everything, you know, it's
good vibes, but to touch just on Laura's point, um, of gaming, like I think most of people
don't know that gaming in 2021 was like revenue was 180 billion more than Hollywood music
and, uh, art industry.
Like it's, it's so big.
It's going to be so big in web three, like in probably two to four years.
I don't see it before, but it's going to be so big.
And like the amount of people that can enter, like just imagine three, I think it was 3.2
billion of people into 23, like that's playing video games.
So that's insane.
And about you just now being anxious about playing a game and everything being competitive,
I'm coming from like professional scene and it's just, it's just the nature.
Like you can play the game in any way you want, but when people see numbers, you know,
it's always like, I want to get more.
I want to get more.
And that's just when you see competitive players getting in and that's actually positive because
it gets a lot of eyes.
So if professional gamer, like, um, orange jumped in Yuga, that's a lot of eyes, you know,
like as you had like last week, uh, spaces with him, you know, that was amazing.
And actually just on VR, I'm not going to say anything, but you can go on Steam.
There's actually Tiddy's VR in AR if you want to, and you can actually try it and play with
Don't ask me how I know I'm a gamer.
I'm on Steam.
I didn't purchase it.
Listen, I didn't purchase it, but it's like 30 bucks.
Listen, you can go purchase it.
You can play with it.
Yeah.
I'm not going to, nevermind.
I'm going to shut up with it.
Thanks for sharing the alpha next.
I'm sure some people in the audience are definitely going to be visiting that site
this weekend.
If you know what I'm saying, um, thank you for joining us.
You're in Croatia, right?
Yep.
Yes, sir.
My guy.
Yeah, man.
I miss that place.
Always, always had a great time, uh, out there.
Thank you for joining us.
Um, where is what you saying?
Well, um, I would love to go to Croatia, but outside of that, um, forgot what I had one
more thing on AR, but now that Laura says that she's going to win, if you want to bet
on an underdog, um, you know, your bet, you're going to get more if I do end up winning.
I'm very sneaky.
I do CrossFit.
Um, I, there may or may not be oranges in my pillowcase.
That's not me saying that.
That's just like a hypothetical that like might happen.
Um, so yeah, I mean, your returns would be greater if you bet on me.
Um, but you know, neither.
Geez.
Witters with the fighting talk, them old, old school tactics, the oranges in the pillowcase.
Fucking hell.
That's going to hurt.
That's a black eye for Laura Wolf on Taco Tuesday, live in NYC from Madison Square Gardens.
Laura.
We're not even, I need, yeah, I need to reply to this.
So she might go to CrossFit, but I eat a lot of tacos.
So just think about that for one second and think about the amount of energy that I'm going
to have for this fight.
You don't understand.
I'm also going to bring a spicy sauce and I might or might not blind someone during
the fight.
I'm just not saying I'm going to do it.
I'm just saying.
Geez.
Hey.
So you, you guys are heard it here first.
Laura said spicy, and we've been talking all about the spiciness on the timeline around
some projects.
On Beyond the GM episode 12, we have now started a new meta where the spiciness is going directly
from holder to holder.
Y'all, this is what we're doing.
A's, you're on my shit list, bro.
Come at me.
Let's do this.
I love you.
But let's go.
Oh, you, you, you're, you're, you're, your, your monkey looks bored?
Question mark.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.
Oh, he's done it.
Close yourself, we'll get on it.
This was eight mile.
If this was eight mile, he would have choked and the crowd would have booed him off.
Yo, mom's spaghetti all over the floor.
But A's, I'm coming for you.
Laura Witters, love to see it.
You guys are amazing.
Oh, so this is an undercard.
We've just got an undercard here as well.
Digital versus A's.
Uh, it's, uh, a Zuki ape versus a golden beans, uh, the head of the golden beans tribe.
Um, A's, could you give us, uh, a little, um, you know, sort of, uh, sort of idea of
what your theme song might be when you come out for the fight?
I don't know if you've got your, uh, your trusty flute there.
Shit.
Hold up.
I just want to point something out from previous faces that we've had.
Um, A's is not a fighter.
A's is a weapon for a fighter.
For example, if it's going to be any sort of fight, it would be exactly.
It would be digital versus me and A's as my, uh, loyal offhand.
Yeah.
Because without him, I'm useless.
Zuku just basically grasps me by the ankle and just swings me around his head and just
there you go.
Yeah.
I had that unzip and I got excited.
I'm not going to lie.
All right.
You want to hear the theme song for, for my entry in the, in the ring, huh?
Yeah.
For Madison Square Gardens, this is how you're going to come out.
Zone in.
Hey, I would be shitting myself if I was digital just standing in the ring, you know, it's going
menacing, menacing, menacing.
Wow.
I would be shitting myself if I was digital just standing in the ring, you know, it's
going to be packed.
It's going to be sold out.
Every DJ from the world is going to fly across.
We've got Farouk hosting the whole event.
It's going to be live on rug radio.
It's going to be insane.
Oh, digital.
You're going to be quaking.
Yo, I'm just going to stick that flute where it doesn't belong.
Actually, I guess it's already there, but I can't hit you with flesh pillows.
That's just, I'm not capable of doing that.
So tune in.
We'll figure out how we're going to get it done.
Maybe I'll take, send it's a sushi headband and slap you across your golden bead face
with it.
That might work.
Keep me out of this.
I'm just the promoter.
I'm just making loads of money from this.
So keep me out of this.
I'm trying to be Eddie Hearn or Don King, you know, that kind of vibe is what I'm bringing
to the table.
Waiters, I don't feel comfortable on like how they like changed completely the direction
of this.
This was between you and me.
And even though, you know, there is beef, but like we should be the main characters here.
I don't know what's happening.
What are they?
Oh, you will be.
You will be like Jake Paul and Tommy Fury or KSI, whichever, whichever fucking YouTube
loser you want to be.
And and then we'll, you know, we'll make you the face.
We'll do a press conference live from Bushwick in front of Witter's Wall.
She'll have a sly little dig, a little Easter egg in the mural when you get the AR.
They'll just be like you, but with egg on your face or you getting smashed with a pillow.
And that will kick off.
You'll try fighting.
I'll be in the middle kind of breaking it up.
Beast as well.
Digital just be laughing.
And yeah, it'll be a whole thing.
You'll do a whole promo run.
You'll go on Rug Radio.
You'll go on the PO and Nick show.
You'll go on Katie show late night 420 vibes because it's going to be kind of more like
USC where the fighters can smoke weed and, you know, it's kind of more cool and you can
do what you want.
So, yeah, we'll work out a whole tour.
Don't worry.
Me, Beast and Digital have got a meeting right after to plan it all out.
And we will email you guys on the blockchain.
I'm already ready to cover it.
You know, there's going to be a lot of breaking news and all this stuff.
It's going to be live.
So, yeah, we're ready.
That would actually be so sick.
I'm just thinking about it like a web free celebrity boxing night.
And then like you, Farouk and someone else hosting, Ashley as well, hosting with you guys.
And then a few warm up rounds, maybe some people from this week, the spice between like some
of the clones and some of the other people or the doodles, poopy, poopy versus NFT press
like that would kick off.
Like we need.
Yeah, we'll work it out.
We've got a few undercards that we can work on.
My co-promoter, Katie, has actually just joined the stage as well.
Katie, how are you doing?
Happy Friday.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Thanks for joining us.
It's Rogan.
Oh, can't you hear us?
GM, GM, Katie.
I don't think she can hear me, unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for her.
Can you hear him?
No, let's take her down and then we'll bring her back up.
We need to get Katie up.
Beast, if you could do the business.
But yeah, I'm excited for NFT NYC.
What is what you're saying?
I was just thinking like, even if it wasn't like boxing, you know, those big old sumo suits
that you like they're like filled with air, it would be so funny if like to do that.
But with everybody, you know, like the founders and like you just like ran or those balls, those giant balls that you get in and just like crash into each other.
I think that that would be absolutely hilarious.
Like if if we have if we don't do this, like, are we are we even active right now?
Like we have to.
I think that's a great idea.
I think we get someone like Bark or Alex that says who's active and then someone that hates saying who's active on to fight them on the undercard as well.
I think a lot of people would want to see that match.
You probably bet a load of money on it, which would be good for me.
Brings me more more revenue as a promoter as well.
Katie, what do you reckon?
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm for it.
Like especially the one with the the one you go into the big bubbles.
They had.
Yeah, I'm about it because it's also goofy, you know, but if there was like a real boxing match, sign me up.
Yeah, I'm about it.
But it would have to be some some kind of good money there.
Some kind of crypto kind of prize or something, you know.
But yeah, I'd be for it for sure.
I'm very bullish on that, because even when you think about how Ape started,
it was just a bathroom back then.
Right.
And like people draw some images on that bathroom, like on the walls and stuff.
So I'm really, really bullish on this initiative.
And yeah, I think it's just the beginning of the bull run, isn't it?
I think so.
I think we could kick it off.
A sellout night, Madison Square Gardens.
Everyone gets a PO app.
We show Dooku's project, Digital Die Dooku.
We show them how it's done.
You know, the Super Bowl advert.
We will do it properly.
We'll have a great PO app that gets you absolutely nothing.
And then we'll sell loads of merch.
We'll just stick Laura and Witter's faces on it.
That will do the trick.
Loads of people will buy it.
And yeah, I think it'll probably be the most exciting thing of NFT NYC.
No fucking projects are doing anything.
So why don't we just put this on and make it a night?
Make it the main event if all the projects want to sleep on NFT NYC.
Let's show them how we do an event.
We can do an after party as well.
I'll DJ.
A's will do a live recorder set as well.
I think it'll be lit.
Thorn, what are you saying?
You fucking kill me.
I really want to go to NFT NYC just for this party.
Because I wasn't going to go since all the projects faded at this time.
But I'm pulling through.
If this party is happening, I've got to witness it in real life.
I just want to say bye.
I didn't want to just leave.
So I've got to go.
I've got to start getting ready for the night out.
You know, all those Guinness shots.
But yeah, love you guys.
Thank you for having me.
And this has been such a cool conversation.
Big love.
Thanks for speaking about all the Clone X stuff.
I know it's been a tough week.
But I know you see the vision.
So yeah, we appreciate you.
One of the best people in the clone community.
Thank you for joining us.
Have fun tonight.
Upload a picture when you're smashed.
Later on, tag us in it so we can laugh at you.
And make sure that we screen grab it.
So you can't delete it in the morning.
So yeah, but we're going to wind up now.
We've actually gone on by like 40 minutes, which we're not meant to do.
We have a strict two-hour rule.
It's very regimented around here.
Beast in digital run a tight ship behind the scenes.
But yeah, it's been St. Patrick's Day.
It's been a long week.
So we felt we should chat about all these things.
And yeah, be easy if you're on the timeline.
You know, don't grill other projects.
People are going through it right now.
People have spent a lot of money.
Don't know how they're feeling.
What their position is in life.
So yeah, just, you know, think about it as well.
But even if it's funny or if you think it's just a joke, just be easy.
I think we've had a lot of it this week.
Enjoy your St. Patrick's Day.
We're going to end with one of my favorite Snoop Dogg songs as he's in town.
And I think it sums up what's going on.
All projects are having highs, sometimes have lows.
We're ending with Snoop Dogg Ups and Downs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean that.
And I think about all the things we've been through.
Like arguing and fighting for a zap.
You know, the love we have for each other.
It tends to outweigh what we do to one another.
You know, my granddaddy used to always say it.
You know, he used to say it like this.
There would be
Up to town, smout and crown.
There would be
Fairy tales I make believe.
There would be
Ups and downs, smout and crown.
There would be
Fairy tales I make believe.
There would be
Ups and downs, smout and crown.
There would be
Fairy tales I make believe.
What up, motherfuckers?
This is Snoop Dogg.
I'm tryna figure out how the fuck I'ma do, y'all.
Hangin' with my homie from the turf.
That's young Q-ball.
Givin' me the word on the streets.
Here's a scoop, y'all.
The niggas from the east side is split up.
And one of them tried to fuck your shit up.
Nah, cause I don't believe that.
That's my nigga for life.
I'm out with the bullshit.
I'm in with the real shit.
I'm at the church doing work, spitting game from the pulpit.
Now that's the midday.
And God is my witness.
L-B-C-2-1-3.
Hell yeah, we getting this.
It's so relentless.
And all my dogs up against a life sentence.
I love y'all like I love no bitch.
And that's real shit on some crisp shit.
Homie, dig this.
The bells will be
Up and down, smile and cry
The bells will be
Mary tells I make the lead
The bells will be
Up and down, smile and cry
The bells will be
Mary tells I make the lead
