Hello, hello everybody. Welcome to the bigger picture. I'm so glad to be here on this fine Sunday evening at 7 p.m. EST and we're about to
to have a fantastic show with our friend Soul Buckets on Sandbar. Before we hop over to Soul Buckets, I do want to introduce my brother Jericho. Jericho, how was your day been so far, my brother?
It's from real good man. I've been really looking forward to this space in particular. I really think what you guys are building is interesting, but we can save that for later. But yeah, I was I've been looking forward to this for for a while.
It's fantastic to hear that bucket. It's my brother on the sandbar account. How are you, man? How was your Sunday been for you? Yo, it's been great, man. It's been great. Yesterday was wild. It was out of Miami when John Jones took home the dub.
So now I'm just kind of showing out today, reviewing kind of the process for the next week because we got a busy one after Sam Barr so it's going to be exciting.
absolutely love to hear that, my man. You know, it's another day in Web 3. You know, you're always working around the clock even if you're at these UFC fights and enjoying them. You know, you might be shooting out some tweets or something and you got to do what you got to do here in Web 3. But I know my brother is strapped a little bit for time. So we're going to go ahead and kick off the show and#
If you guys could go really quickly to the top on the jumbo tron and drop a quick comment like in retweet on the space that would be absolutely fantastic so we can hopefully get some more people in here to learn more about sand bar. But to give a little bit of explanation about how this show works, this show is split into two parts, the first of which will be ran by my brother
Jericho will ask some hard-hitting questions around the business and then the second half will be sent to me, socrates, to ask some hard-hitting questions about the values in the vision of the project in question, Sandbar. But without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and throw it over to my brother Jericho and start the show. Thanks for being here, guys.
Yeah, for sure. Thanks so much, socrates. Yeah, well, Sandbar, thank you guys for being here. But can you guys give us a brief description of what you are building, what you're looking to build, what the future entails for you? Sure, totally.
at Sam bar really to keep it short sweet is we really want to create a platform for professionals in Web 3 and we feel like there's a gap in connecting them most people use Twitter or you know traditional I guess resources like fiber or whatever it is and I feel like there needs to be a service
Marketplace that can do all things Web 3. So that's kind of the goal right now where we're focused on getting the beta out and hopefully people will see value in it. I mean, we're putting a lot of time and effort into creating a unique experience for people. So, towards the
Yeah, for sure. And I think what you guys are building is something pretty necessary in Web 3, basically 5 or 4 Web 3, and a lot of the people who participate in this space and who work in this space, they basically, you know, DM people have a handshake.
and move on, but there have been many, many projects similar to Sandbar and they have not lived up to the expectations that everyone thought they would. And most notably, it would, that would be Kits on Crack with Cypher. So how are you guys different from your competitors?
I think a lot of people fail at this because they don't really put all the, they have multiple things on the table. They're not fully focused on developing like a full service, web 3, a service marketplace. They've always been focused on achieving multiple things at once.
having a project or having the vision of just focusing on that core, that core, I guess, foundation of developing a service marketplace is different. You'll see a lot of these people build these extra tools from outside of there, their project, I guess, for cats, they have the original IP, whatever, which is the cat.
and they were trying to do this and I was trying to do that so they really haven't found I guess their niche is the best way to explain it and to be honest I really believe for something like this you have to be well connected. I've built my reputation in space, I've worked along CC's, I've done everything on my part.
to build my reputation and build my credibility. And I think that really does extend a project further than another. If you're building something around connections, you have to be capable of creating them on a personal level as well. That's what I think sets us differently. Ultimately, we've been focused on
the UI and the UX a lot too. You'll see on the first release of the beta or even on the MVP, it may not be top tier UX UI because most of it is, we're trying to get the right feedback from the community on how we should build the sign up
process or the verification process or all that stuff. But we built it enough. I feel like to be still very smooth and very easy to access and then for marriage can operate off of community feedback. That's awesome man. I love to hear. I love projects that are built with communities. I think getting feedback
back from a huge diverse group of people is the way to go. But you talked about a big value proposition of Sandbar is your focus on being solely focused on building out this platform and also your network and your background. So I want to touch on that. So what is your background? What have you done in the past?
skills you have to bring to the table and grow sand bar. Sure, yes. I guess like Web 2 finished up school with a fine and degree in finance and then I worked for my family business for quite a few years handling sales, marketing and operating like the
I'm pretty transparent about my background in that farming produce industry, but I was focused mostly on doing high level business and talking to retailers on a day to day basis. So a lot of my experience comes to servicing high level clients and
making sure that they're having a good experience. So coming from like a support side, I guess the things like, you know, making sure that customers and, you know, clients are getting top level service and, you know, always taking their feedback, you know, account to optimize our sales force, I guess, and continue to grow and scale our business. So that was my
2020s when the NFT scene started picking up right? So I started minting up like a lot of those like wizards of the ruins. I don't know if you guys are feeling subducks like all those other like eath collections was like damn this is actually pretty cool and pretty fun like I can definitely see like a lot of like people coming in to crypto just to collect like cool digital collectibles or whatever. We
want to categorize them as. But ultimately that led me to fine salana and I became really quickly interlaced with some of the other notable influences like Soul Big Brain, Salana Legend, all these other big people. From there I developed deep connections and ended up working
at a big brain VC for pretty much a year just to kind of get my expertise in the VC scene a little bit more and you kind of find that deeper connection with the people that are funding early stage projects on Solana, you know, on Polygon, on, you know, and all these other like L2s that are coming out to
So, yeah, did private strategic and later around investing there, but for the most part, from that point, went into starting this and they've been pushing me to do something. They always saw that I was creative and they were like, "Dude, you got it."
You got to do it, you got to take the risk. For me it was a little bit more of a personal thing because I was like, "Damn, do I really want to tie my reputation into a project that it might quite possibly fail?" Because majority of these projects now in crypto aren't all going to be hitters. The majority of them fail, unfortunately.
I was like, fuck it, like I really think that this can be something unique and whatever the obstacles are, we're gonna gather all the right feedback and we're gonna put everything that we know in back in the company or we have back in the company. So that's kind of the journey from Web 2 to Web 3, but it's been fun, man, it's been really fun.
I love founders who admit that things could go wrong. I feel like a lot of founders are very gung ho and they think everything is going to be a smooth sailing ship. It's easy to make a bunch of money and NFTs or something like that. But I love the realism and the transparency you just showed us.
Very few people could even say what you just said on space. So that was awesome. Thank you for that. But yeah, I mean, yes. So you know, you are being from a VC background. You understand that businesses, no matter how great the idea they could all fail.
in one way or another. But what do you see as the main hurdles for Sandbar? So I personally like the biggest hurdle I see right now is how do we create a consistent flow between a provider and a client, right? How do we keep people coming onto Sandbar?
We have some interesting things that are coming out later, obviously, after we gather a lot of feedback from the beta stage. But that's kind of where the Astro came in, right? Because we were like, okay, we can connect people, we can be linked in, we could just do a lot of things.
people to use a electric vehicle after they use a gas vehicle for so long that people just are slow to transition. I think ultimately that's not the goal we want to have. We don't want to have a slowly transitioning thing. We want to have people find comfort immediately in a new platform. So the escrow is kind of the
the idea that we came up with. And we think it's honestly something super important. A lot of these like professionals in the space, like they don't have access to secure platform to do practice good business or set milestones or something because most of the time you're just telling them, "Okay, we'll do 50 up front," and then we'll do like
another 25% later on and then like the final milestone will do though 25% but majority of the time like from people that I know that I've connected with before I even started putting money into building the project they've had these problems where people just don't pay them you know and they're just like oh this is not what I wanted and the deliver was in on time or whatever it is
and they just get cut off or the market crashes and now the people that are building the project aren't going to get a portion of the min funds and the way that they organized it or whatever it is. So, I mean, we're solving that, but like I said, the biggest obstacle I think is going to be
How do we instill trust for people in crypto and using sambar? I guess I call it what is the value of cruel to using sambar instead of just I guess connecting on Twitter DMs or whatever it is and that was kind of the escrow so we're still gonna see like how it works
works obviously like we haven't the broad isn't launched yet so it's going to be like a little it's going to be unique experience for sure but we think that the escrow is going to solve a lot of problems and also we're going to have a dispute process as well and that's also another obstacle right like how do we solve disputes because like ultimately like we want if we're going to create a platform similar to
or similar to the other games.
take a survey and then we can recommend them, you know, a certain group of people saying, "Oh, these guys have worked on XYZ and they might be most suitable for you, for a project, whatever. That's similar to Fortnite or whatever it is. I don't know. They'll have to like take a survey or something, but yeah, we're trying to really like figure that's
out and ultimately it's all going to be just through time, right? Like we said, like feedback is king with a project like this because it really is just oriented towards a client or provider. So I mean, we'll see, but we're super excited to test everything out.
Yeah, I think my concern was the adoption because creating a whole platform requires people to adopt the platform. And we seen some successful platforms, such as Marmalade by famous Fox. It is something that projects and individuals go to to hire artists. So that has proven itself.
not quite yet in terms of scale, but it's something that people do use. So do you think, with adoptions, are you going to offer any type of promotions or do any special marketing campaigns to bring people to your platform? Yeah, totally. I think our first thing we're going to release prior to
the actual official MVP will have a referral program. So what we'll do is similar to what Backpack has done, we'll be able to launch a referral program that will benefit, I guess down the line when people do business
this with one another, we'll be able to hopefully generate a fee that can be, you know, returned back to the person that's referring to X people or Y people. We're trying to make it as efficient as possible because you know how these can get, like you get very wild and also
get kind of hurt the business as a whole so we don't want it to be like something that's like predatory on our revenue model but we think like the adequate referral program will be super fun and I think it'll also be good for the beta as well so I don't know that's kind of one direction
we're taking. And then also we plan on doing like global offers, which is like people can come in and we'll have like competitions, or like let's say this person, I don't know if you guys are familiar with 99 designs, but that was like something I did in college where I would make like logos or make like designs for people and you would enter it as a competition. And it's just like a fun way like
you're not getting paid for it but you can submit as many times as you want and like the person that's kind of I guess like doing that job like we'll be able to select like a top five and then they'll be like price pools for each level I think that's like a fun way to gamified as well so we're thinking of like really fun and interactive
ways to drive attention to Sandbar. You touched also briefly on the way to generate revenue, possibly using a fee. So what are all the different ways to generate that revenue and also fund your affiliate type of program?
So our core method right now is taking a percentage from the escrow because for us like we're not going to be most of these platforms right now. I guess like for example Let's say angi's list will just take no matter what we'll take a flip
So they'll recommend to X person and then they'll just take a fee no matter if any business is done. And we felt like that's just like, especially in like an ecosystem that's not really fully packed by volume at the moment. That's not the right way to do it.
We've taken the percentage. It's going to be like a dynamic percentage. So like depending on the size of the checker that milestone or whatever it is, it'll start off at a like I guess, I mean, let's just say like 7% scaled down to like 1.5% or 2%. So I mean, obviously each size is different.
We plan on the NFC is going to serve as a premium membership to the platform. So essentially buying the NFC will grant you a higher level access to SAM bar. So what we can do later, which is kind of something that we've been considering is in tailoring, like our kind of
I guess making that an entrance field as well. Obviously the NFT will have more benefits than anything for a sandbar, but we can create an equal experience when people can do a recurring payment or something for 1999, a month or something that equates. It has a similar value to a tier 4 NFT.
But then if you always have higher level, we can give you like, I guess like the bare minimum of that tier and then it can scale up 999 10 10, I mean the 1599 99, whatever it is, but we'll be able to do some sort of recurring paint malls. So like people from Web 2 can come in and pay a fee a monthly fee or quarterly fee or whatever it is.
is to kind of access the platform and expose themselves to Web 3 in itself. So that's a few, a few different ones. We do advertising as well, front page advertising. If you're a provider and you want to boost your engagement or boost the visibility for your brand, we'll be able to like put you on the front page for XML and obviously the
NFT holders will have credits. They'll build up credits with that NFT. You still will be able to redeem it for like a front page on like a Wednesday or something for three hours or whatever time they they will make a calendar. I'm assuming for that. So this are a few ways, but there's so many so many options, man. It's crazy.
Yeah, I mean it looks like you guys are really at the still kind of the idea phase of things not unnecessary not knowing exactly what you're Pricing and your revenue model quite is but you know with your beta are you guys looking to collect enough feedback to you know our now a business model you know how
How are you guys going to be able to collect all the speed back and what are you guys going to do specifically in your beta? I mean, the escrow is for sure 100% happening. So no matter what, our revenue model will be how revenues from the escrow itself. So that's just, I guess, the core at a core level.
pretty much secured. And then, I mean, in terms of the beta, like we're gonna have all features like the Asprone everything already done. It's just, do we want to get it audit-proof before, you know? Like is this something that we can hold off on? And like obviously it'll, it's
It's still going to be built out. We can have the disclaimer saying, "Oh, this is not an unaudited platform," but I'll like hate these ads and all these other people have at the beginning, but I feel like with an escrow for something that you're doing for a service, like I said, I come from like a support or like a client, I guess like facing
industry where I care more about people's experience than anything, you know, because that's what drives a value towards the company. So I think what we might do is do a audit to where for the NDP we'll be able to, you know, have people feel comfortable already doing transactions through
But yeah, the beta it's 50/50 whether we'll do like like the escrow live I think what we might do is we may give an opportunity for people to Do like test things through the escrow like we'll do like fake tokens or whatever it is that people can like trade in and Interact with I guess but yeah, I mean the beta debate is like
This is the very crucial part of Sandbar and we want to make sure that we're not also putting anyone's funds at risk while we're doing. The last thing we want is someone to have a bad experience. Is that beta going to be pre or post launch of the NNT?
MVP out before the NFT even is like we're not even gonna reveal the min price or anything We're gonna make sure that the product is out MVP's working. We have the contract audited We actually have some traction and from there we'll decide okay What are our next steps like what stage two of building sandblast?
Does it involve a UI and UX overhaul? Does it involve adding another chain or more access or building another tool? What does it look like? And that's going to be entirely based on the people that are using the platform, you know, and their feedback. So, like I said, the way
I grew up in doing businesses entirely focused on what the person wants. I feel like I'll be wasting my time building something for myself because I can. I can do something for myself if I wanted to but ultimately I want building this because I see this
an issue in the space and I want to make sure that people are practicing good business and that's why we decided to make it a user-facing product. So we just want it all to be from the community and for the community. No, that's awesome. I wish I could ask you
I'll ask you one more before I pass off the Socrates space is going to be a little bit shorter than usual. But one main concern I've had with all gig platform type of projects is the legal compliance behind them. So, you know, if you were a contractor on Fiverr or on any
type of contracting website, if you make a certain amount of money in the US at least, you would receive a 1099 or 1099K. So what type of precautions and diligence have you guys done to be legally compliant and where is your company incorporated or is it even incorporated? So yeah, we are incorporated on
It's in the US. I've talked to so many corporate lawyers and so many people already. The problem is people are so new to this still. They give you a certain direction but they're not willing to go the full 100% because they're
There's no rules around it. We formed a Delaware Corp so that's the first stage that we took. It is a C Corp so we're going to be able to run all the funds back into the company and I guess the best and smoothest manner.
terms of like the like people doing business with each other. Yeah, that's something that we that we're still discussing right now. We have the terms and conditions kind of under review right now. We're doing privacy policies as well. So all that stuff is is kind of in the works right now. Obviously we are just getting started with the beta. So we're trying to see what what things
we need to protect ourselves with and protect vendors and providers with. So all that stuff is kind of into consideration. In terms of like the 1099 and stuff, yeah, we are going to do, I think we're going to have invoicing and all that stuff there. So like people will be able to like do the right bookkeeping and hopefully, I mean, this is like a big
thing for sure because like you mentioned people are doing it business in the US and also outside the US offshore. So how do we find a middle ground where we're like a US company or whatever it won't get screwed, you know, doing business on a marketplace. So I mean all this stuff is what we're talking about. I can't really talk about too much about it because
We're still like I'm sure about what the best direction is but ultimately we are gonna have a solution Hopefully sooner than later prior to the NST actually being sold like the main goal is like let's package in as much as we can in the beta and then From there we'll We'll hopefully have the right direction. It's just like every like the legal
We know how crypto is legal side things always up in there. You don't really know what to step to take, but eventually you're going to have to take one and whether or not you're in compliance or not. You'll find out at a later date. I'm assuming that from the legal standpoint, they'll give a lot of these companies some time to adjust
just and without getting penalized or taking a mass of fee or hopefully nothing worse than that. But yeah, we'll see what kind of outcome is. Yeah, absolutely. And there's a lot of great area when it comes to this legal side of crypto in particular. I know a lot of people who are doing, well, not
a lot of people but I've definitely heard of some people operating out of like the BVI and doing things like that incorporating there and then doing contracting that way so that might be something that's on your radar sandbar or buckets but you know as you mentioned right there's a lot of definitely gray area you know lawyers will give you different answers CBAs will give you different answers so you kind of just got
to be careful when you're navigating these waters. But one thing I did want to ask you buckets. Also, thank you Jericho for those awesome questions, or if you appreciate that, my man. But buckets, the question I wanted to ask you is going back into the conversation you mentioned you had some time working for venture capital, right, in particular big brain venture capital. So I'm curious, as you're a part of that team,
and you were involved there. Do you see the space any differently after having that experience? And if so, how was that impacted Sandbar? I mean, yeah, definitely do see it from a different standpoint because majority of the people, you know, that are buying asses are like retail buyers aren't seeing like
with the deals that are done behind the scenes and ultimately like I think they've adapted to hating VCs because they get early access to these deals but the way I see it, and I can be as transparent as possible, is that like some of these VCs are predatory you know and they don't have the right
I guess like mindset because they just care about their bags, you know, they're just their goals. Okay, if we have these people in our fund A or whatever it is like we guarantee them X amount of percentage of gains This year like how do we meet that quota and a lot of these people a lot of these VCs they they will sell
positions early or those are panic selling to meet that quote because once you get like a bad return, it kind of just destroys the entire fun. So like a lot of these people go into panic mode, but there are so many VCs that aren't like that, you know, and they truly care about supporting the crypto narrative
and working with big brain has been insane. He's not, I mean, imagine the dude didn't take any outside capital. He's using all of his own capital and he said, "Okay, I'm just gonna put all back in like majority of it to Salona and then create something where we can, we're investing in a multi-chain, I guess like narrative and
And they're main focus is builders, right? Like they all they care about is supporting builders. So they don't care about like all the other different, I guess, like personalities and crypto. They're just focused on one on one, I guess core thing and it's and it's who's going to be really here building instead of just coming building a game.
You know with zero I guess like longevity and kind of disappearing with with funds, you know, so I mean you there's so many projects like that have been here and and how our building and you know big brain is behind them so it's like super awesome to see and I guess like another thing is
a lot of these people need to realize that the VCs are in the long game just as much as everyone else. Some of them are tied into equity deals where they can't even sell a position. They're just stuck in a position until this company is acquired by somebody else.
So, majority of the time they are here to push and provide feedback. They are just as much as visors as anyone else in the space that you know is consulting or has an agency or whatever it is. So, they really do put a lot of work into supporting the ecosystem and they do bring a lot of volume.
is much work as every one of us here trying to bring in a web to capital or from the stock market or whatever it is and provide opportunities here for new liquidity. So I mean that's the way I see it and I mean obviously everyone has a different standpoint on it and I think like
I think we have to stop hating VCs as much as I think like Twitter pushes it you know pushes the narrative like no VCs no problem but that's not the case I think and there's a lot of people that hate it so Yeah, and I think it's a very valid take right and I think you've been
someone who's kind of been on every side of the spectrum definitely give some weight to that perspective right is you know there's a lot of stuff like these these can enable people to do things right they can enable startups to create things that impact the way we do our day-to-day lives right they can really change you know the entire ballgame so there's for sure
sure a lot of upside when it comes to VCs. But this kind of brings in perspective, right? But it's you've been around for quite a while. You know, you've built things from the ground up and really established yourself in Salona. So a question I have for you is how were you different from who you were before you started Sandbar?
I mean, to be honest, I would say I haven't changed. Like, I keep myself like super level headed in the space. I don't, I'm not involved in any talks of stuff. I try not to get involved. I've had a very neutral standpoint on my account. Most of the time, I'm just talking about projects and their success or I'm
I'm giving my input on one or two things but you'll never ever catch me changing myself to I don't know showcases different side of me like I'm who I am because like this is who I am like I'm not like my alias doesn't matter. That's why it's off like I don't care if people know who I am or they don't but I have
I haven't changed and I won't change and I think that's important in a founder or in anybody. Anyone that you interact with in crypto should be genuine. You know, you're faking yourself or trying to be somebody else just to get attention or get engagement.
like a lot of bad actors get pulled out that way. You know, we've seen people come up from zero to hero because they love engaging in toxic stuff, but as soon as they get put on the spotlight and they have us falling all of a sudden, they start realizing they get called out, you know, and then they're like, oh shit, like why are you like why
why you're faking it, you know, why can't you just be a real person? I think people would appreciate that more. So I mean, I have a change. I don't think I'm like, I'm going to be as genuine as I can as always and, you know, try to support everybody in this space. So yeah, man, I appreciate the law for sure.
I think it's awesome that you can be this level headed person that comes in and will come out of this preman operation as largely the same person. You haven't had the process change you too much or detract you too much from who's soul buckets is and who's soul buckets is
meant to be. And I think that's super, super awesome. And of course, I have for you, you know, you've been here for a while, you've been building, you've been involved in venture capital and now you're building sand bar. So I'm interested in knowing in your mind what made sand bar an opportunity worth pursuing.
So yeah, I mean I think we touched on this a little earlier like when we were talking about my background, but You know for me Sam are what it really was like a tough decision So I said you know what I'm gonna like see what I'm capable of doing like pull my reputation online and People are gonna believe me or
And how faith in me right off the bat, you know, and that's a lot of pressure. Like I don't want to ever let anybody down, you know, and I'm truly want to make sure that whatever I'm building is, you know, at a level of equality that people will respect as well. So it did take a lot of courage for me to do it, but I think like
I really do think that I'm not recreating a business model. This is a model that works. For me to take a model that I can study and learn from and analyze in Web 2 and push it into a newer industry, which is Web 3, I think is
I can accomplish that. I really feel like I can. So the process, I guess, from I'm not reinventing the wheel, but I'm incorporating new aspects into it, which is the fun part, right?
I feel like I was capable of doing that and people have been pushing me to do it to build something. My first idea was let's build a merchandise marketplace. I know so many people in Web 2 or I'm not even just, I keep saying Web 2 but in just the traditional world that have a
Actually, warehouses really create shirts and they create hats and you all that cool shit And I feel like a lot of people need merch right like so I was like, okay, we like to do like that but then I realized like Some people are doing that and they're creating the owners and they have their own vendors like that's probably not like like a good idea so
So that's kind of where I came to this and I was like, this is definitely important. I myself struggled with this, like finding a developer, finding an artist, finding people to connect with. All this stuff impacted my day to day and I realized, okay, this is probably the best opportunity I'm well connected.
I think it makes sense. Like I have people that know me and will support me. And like I can just leverage all of that together and build this out the right way. So that's kind of why I felt Sandbar was like the right opportunity for me to take. And here we are, you know, almost talking and getting the product out. So it's super hyped.
Yeah man, and it's quite a treacherous journey to be a pro-dutonor right yet to find the right people, assemble the right team, assemble the logo, the vision, the brand, to make it all happen. And you need the documentation and you need the legal
framework, there's a lot of moving pieces to make it all happen. And you know, Bucket's a question I have for you is what truly gives you the confidence that you can make this happen?
I believe in myself, man. I guess it's like a simple answer for like I believe in myself. I believe in my developers. I believe in everyone that supports us to give us the right feedback to be successful. Like we're obviously going to push the products forward no matter what, whether we have the right feedback or not.
the product is still going to be developed the way that we feel is the best way, but ultimately we want to be guided by the community and we believe that if we tell ourselves out from the beginning and we always remind ourselves like we're not building us for ourselves, we're building us for the community, we're building sort of people that are going to use the platform. We can really
drive a lot of value to Samar so that's an error we held from the beginning so since that's the way we started I feel like that's the way we're gonna go throughout the whole thing so that's kind of why I guess we I keep saying it because I also want to put it in my head because like as somebody that has a direction
already. Like, and understands kind of the future. Like, we're obviously going to, I know all the stages in my head from stage one, which is the MVP all the way stage, I guess like six or seven where we take it to mobile, you know, and it's an application. But we'll see who wants what, you know, and then from there, we can dictate the direction we can go in. But
Yeah, that's kind of like the core, I guess like idea there. Yeah, actually, and I love your emphasis on feedback and understanding critiques and things along those lines. So a question I have for you is what is the best piece of feedback you've gotten on Sandbar so far?
Oh yeah, that's a good one. I honestly have to think about that because people we've done these forums on Discord where we just kind of ask the community certain things and I guess like
One of the best ones was like, hmm, you know what? I think I might have it even pan, let me see. But I guess like, it's just the amount of feedback we get is so diverse. Like I can't really like put it in a pinpoint to one because like one could be more
more valuable now in the beta stage, like one of them is like making experience with the beta, you know, like make it a fucking full experience, which is what we want to do. You know, we want it to make it fall. We want it to make it this. So that's like kind of like a really great like I guess like pinpoint feedback for right now, but the
I guess another one would be, let's see how we can integrate dialect. They're doing something with dialect. I think this kind of brings me to one person that gave me some good feedback. Don't build stuff that people are building. Utilize what they're building. If you keep building stuff within your platform, which obviously
It's totally fine, but you're just spending so much capital when somebody else already has developed already has users and etc. So like that's kind of one thing that I take taking account now and I do something like I'm not gonna build my own launchpad for Sanbra. I'm not gonna build my own mid side. I would much rather support somebody that is building that and kind of push their brand to
while we're kind of working together and synergizing. So yeah, like let's focus on building a work on that and then whatever we need to outsource to use, we're going to connect with them so we're not working double. So that's kind of, I guess like one really good piece of feedback that we got. And another one is
Take things slow like another one is it's clear I mostly think that my developer told me that's like dude like Web 3 pushes like pushes you so hard to go fast You know they really want you to push like everyone wants you to go be out in three months have a full working product Make sure you're fucking brand is then fucking news
And I think that's what I think is the most important thing to do.
So that's why we're going through like insane amount of internal testing like I think of tests the product 10 times already now just for the beta so like I mean We have another test coming up on Tuesday And we're gonna go through a disease again make sure like there's no like like obvious bugs and stuff again, but I
I mean, yeah, just taking things slow, taking the right time, testing things, and making sure that you can, instead of building something on your own, find an opportunity to synergize a partnership with somebody else that's building something, so you're not working double to, or you're paying double to build out your company.
Yeah, I'm gonna sit shrimp. He valid right don't duplicate work if it's already exists now Why not just use their framework and build on top of that and turn that into something? Greater on your you know, you don't always have to build everything from scratch I think it's okay to you know give up some things in favor of time effectiveness and you know being efficient with capital and
things along those lines. So I think that's incredibly valid. And I really do appreciate your openness to critiques and feedback and your incestence need to test. Right? You mentioned yourself that you've tested your beta 10 times. You know, it seems like, or if not more, dozens of times, you know, I just imagine buckets in the late nights, you know, on his laptop or
or whatever, just clicking around, trying to figure things out. And that's just what you need as a project founder. You need that rigorous or vigorous determination to have the highest quality product on the market. Because ultimately, there's a lot more stake here than just our reputation. These are our dreams. And that's something that we want to see through.
We don't want to give those things up and we want to make it happen. Sanbar, or not Sanbar, but buckets, as you've been working on Sanbar, it's very apparent that this is your baby. This is something you really want to see happen. A question I have for you is what has been your favorite memory while working on Sanbar?
for. Dude, the fucking craziest part about this is when you map it out. I have a 42 page business plan. For me to see all those ideas come together and when the first release of the platform came out, I was like,
Holy shit, this is fucking sick. I've always been participating in other businesses. My family business, I was building that business for my parents. My dad was really excited about it. All I wanted to do was make sure that I'm helping him achieve his dream. I think this applies for ever.
everybody. You know, like everyone working the nine to five or quote unquote rat race or whatever you want to call it. Like people are building other people's dreams, you know, all the time. And I think like something that's like really close to me and what is really valuable about Web 3 is that everyone has an opportunity to build something for themselves, you know, like they can they can build
their brand, they can build their identity, they can build something like, it doesn't need to be like something crazy, you know? Like it's just seeing all this common refurbishing and like actually having a platform to click into and connect my wall to like that shit just as it was like probably the best thing honestly. So just super. Yeah. Any time.
Yeah, dude, I love your excitement. You know, and that's what we need, right? What's going to get us through all the bullshit that exists in Web 3 is that Relatement to a Termination, right? And from what you're talking about these pages like this, this business plan you put together, your experience working on your family business and things like that, it's obviously that you're very determined to see this through.
and make it happen and realize a vision that you might have. We are coming pretty close to time here so I do want to expect your time. The last question I'll ask you before we go, I didn't start wrapping this up, would be buckets. You know, you've been working on this, this is your child. I'm very curious, what does sand bar truly mean to you?
I mean, San Bar for me is not only an opportunity for me to learn and grow myself, but also I think an opportunity for people to hopefully expand themselves and create a name for themselves in the space. And like I want to push that narrative forward.
So, I mean, that's what we're focused on. So, as part of being something I'm passionate about, I think like we can all find passion in this, you know, and hopefully building like the bigger and the greater Web 3, I guess professional aspects. So, hopefully that's um, yeah.
Hopefully we can extend that goal for everyone and make sure that there's success across multiple professionals and multiple businesses and then later on, you know, bring these Web2 companies in the mix. Now they have an opportunity to onboard themselves into the crypto ecosystem.
seamlessly and you know always love that's the goal. Yeah absolutely man and I appreciate that right I mean there's a lot of welfare outstakes here and I think you're you're definitely in tune with that and making that happen but Sandbar I know you do have
I love project owners who are very realistic with their goals and very transparent with those expectations. So that's all I had to say for you guys, Janbar, I think what you guys are building is very necessary in the space and I hope you guys have the best luck of building what you're doing.
Thank you guys so much. This has been fucking ecstatic. I'm super hyped to deliver this and I mean the journey along the way is gonna be interesting in itself. I'm sure we're all gonna learn, you know, kind of together. That's my goal is, you know, on my personal account to take a step by step.
step with everybody, whether we succeed or not and do the trials and the testing altogether as a community so that we can all learn what it takes to build something from A to Z because ultimately I feel like people underestimate it. People really are like, "Damn, why can't you just do this and do this and do revshare and do this?"
It's just not sustainable and that's why a lot of these products go underwater and they disappear and they don't make it in the long run. Hopefully that we can all learn from this journey and I'm excited to take this thing to the next level so I really appreciate you guys having me.
Absolutely and it was a blast. I really enjoyed learning more about you and your vision of Sandbar and more about your business, right? And how it works and kind of the inner machinations of Sandbar. But it's been an absolute pleasure guys. If you enjoyed this show, we do host bigger picture every Sunday at the same time, or 7 p.m. ESD.
Not too sure how we're going to have next week, but we will be having another project on and it will be a similar short tank style show where we ask deep questions about the project, what they have going on and why they're doing what they're doing. But it's been an absolute blast. I do appreciate everyone coming here if it were not for you guys in the audience.
would be here, not even Sandbar, not even me, not even Jerko. And we would not have these kind of discussions of Web 3, you know, building in Web 3 and building these companies and, you know, trying to further Web 3 as an industry. But guys, it's been an absolute blast. I appreciate you stopping by and I hope you guys have a fantastic rest of your day. Bye-bye.