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Bitcoin ATH | The Ordinal Show
Recorded: Aug. 13, 2025 Duration: 5:28:22Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yo, what's up guys?
Welcome to the Ordinal Show.
I'm going to pass it off to Trevor here to give us a little introduction on the show
and we'll kick things off
oh i'm not gonna do the i'm not gonna do the uh oh shoot right i what i was forgetting if you
weren't doing the intro or if it was just not the music okay well i mean i can give my best
trevor impersonation dude let's see let's see it dude is is... Are we the only two people on the stage here?
Because X seems to be...
X has been bugging so bad.
Like, Twitter Spaces...
I don't think the Twitter Spaces team has been doing anything for, like, three years.
Because none of this stuff gets fixed.
It just gets worse.
Dude, we should get that guy Nikita Beer on the show and complain to him about Spaces.
Dude, I agree.
Like, it's kind of embarrassing for Elon.
He'll have, like, the president of the U.S. on a twitter space and it just like doesn't work right but no we've got
so we've got uh we've got our boy well i don't know jan was here i don't know what's going on
jan was just here our co-host jan was here uh we're joined by justin blau uh we're joined by by Justin Blau, going by Zach, J-Dawg, Serge, Cynthia.
So hopefully, Trevor, that gives you my idea.
Let's fucking go.
Yeah, awesome, Blau, to see what you inscribed the other day, man.
And glad you're here with us today.
I was going to like, because you weren't on stage,
but I saw you in the audience.
And I was like, yeah, I was going to DM Leo.
Like, yeah, let's get Justin on the show.
Dude, Justin, we've been working on Justin to do a four mega song for Justin.
How long?
Two or three years now?
It's probably been at least a year and a half.
And it's thanks to Zach that we made it happen.
And it also cost, you know, 0.5 BTC less now than it would have been.
So, you know, 50, 60 K is a lot for the gesture, right?
Because I just wanted to do it for the principal.
And no, Zach helped me out.
Zach and I got dinner in Vegas during the Bitcoin conference.
Zach and I went to the same college together.
And I was like, dude, it could be time
to do it. And he's like, it's a lot cheaper. I think we could do it. And it feels great, man.
It actually feels like having an important file granted under four megs be permanent feels really
cool. It feels different. It feels special.
And, you know, obviously on Twitter,
everybody understands it.
I've almost a larger following on Instagram than I do on Twitter.
And I posted about it.
And all these other musicians are just like,
what does that even mean?
You stored something on Bitcoin?
Like, can you even do that?
And I'm just like, yeah.
And they're like, that's cool.
I'm like, I know.
It's fucking cool.
You know, some, some major artists even hit me up about it when I posted it there. So, you know,
little by little, we'll get more people into crypto just little by little.
Yeah. My working analogy is that Bitcoin is like the WikiLeaks of Spotify or something like this
could be a good analogy, but yeah, Justin, I pinned this post
above so people go listen to it, go check it out. It's inscribed into Bitcoin forever. So,
Justin, I hope you're happy with the final version. It's called Will You. It's about three
minutes long. It's just under four megabytes, like I think like 3.9 something. And yeah,
I think like 3.9 something.
And yeah, it's pretty awesome to have this ledger of Bitcoin be used for things other
than just transferring BTC around.
This show has, in particular, been very passionate about this topic for a very long time now.
And I just love when there's like, you know, very high quality. Like, I think I assume most people are aware that you're not just the crypto punk influencer on X, but you are also world renowned DJ and music producer.
So, yeah, we had to fight a lot of fun in the early days, Justin, of like people saying the stuff that was being inscribed was very low quality or like you couldn't do high quality stuff. I mean, this song, when I listened
to it, it works best in a browser. It sounds great. I mean, it sounds like I'm streaming high
quality Spotify level. I'm sure maybe like Justin, you have some audio file set up where it would not
quite match your standards, but to the average person that's like listening with their like
AirPods or something,
it sounds awesome.
The whole myth is that you couldn't have a high-quality audio file on Bitcoin,
I think, is pretty shattered at this point.
Yeah, to be specific, just a quick note on that,
it's slightly degraded, but barely noticeable.
And that was actually a big part of the challenge,
is even MP3s,
a good 320 kilobyte per second MP3,
it was looking at 7, 8 megabytes.
And I honestly just asked ChatGPT
how I could get it down.
And it gave me all these suggestions
and I found the right compression.
And you'd barely notice the difference.
If you really had really good headphones on and you switched between the two, you'd notice notice the difference. Like if you really like had like really good headphones on
and you switch between the two,
you'd notice it a little.
But I mean, certainly not in a way that matters.
Go ahead, Trevor.
Yo, Blau, I got to hook you up with one of my engineers
on my team who is an audio engineer
who like used to make music for like video games,
like Lion King on Super Nintendo,
because he can share with you some cool stuff,
like how to get,
if you can use like the sound chips themselves and write,
like use like the right,
the right tools,
you can get down like a lot.
Like we,
for pizza pets,
we made,
I think we put like an hour of music on chain because we,
he programmed it himself with like the NES Nintendo sound chip original,
like 8-bit music. So, and that was like for three to four minutes song.
It was like just a few kilobytes because it's just like telling the chip,
like what to play.
Yeah. It's kind of how it's, um, that's awesome by the way.
That's fricking awesome. Um, yeah, it's all just like compiling it, right?
And that's why, you know, it's a shame the playback does not quite work on mobile.
It definitely works on desktop.
But it's not even really about the, you know, obviously, so we actually inscribed this.
Zach helped me out with this maybe a week or two two ago but the song just came out on friday and so
we wanted it to actually be on bitcoin before it was on spotify or you know it's obviously
everywhere now but um uh yeah i mean i've wanted to do it for so long i mean trevor leo we've
spoken about it on spaces years ago and it's you know little things like this just show
this is a small thing obviously obviously, in the spectrum of things,
but our industry as a whole has come so far.
Obviously, we're entering a mega bull market
and everyone's so crazy about prices and this and that.
But if you think about how shit was,
I bought my first Bitcoin 11 years ago,
and it was right after the Mt. Gox hack.
And I actually paid cash and
generated my own private key with a hex generator. Because the Mt. Gox crowd, I think Mt. Gox
was like January of 14. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think. And I remember I bought my
first Bitcoin in like March, because it was like down. And I was like, oh, shit, this
is interesting. I'm going to throw $5,000 at Bitcoin. That sounds interesting. But like,
just to think how far we've come in the past decade
across all these different verticals,
whether it be other blockchains or Bitcoin,
it's accelerating so quickly,
and it feels great.
Not just that the prices are going up,
but it actually just feels great to be right.
Like, shit, how many people fucking gave us shit
for being in crypto for so long?
Like, they can't fucking deny it anymore, you know?
It's game over. Like, it's here
to stay, so it's good.
Yeah, no, we're not going anywhere,
although this Google Play Store thing
seems kind of annoying.
Wait, what's the Google Play Store thing?
Go to Cointelegraph.
It's the top article right now.
It doesn't affect non-custodial wallets,
but there's probably some fallout from this,
I would guess.
Just go read the article, basically.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's a little scary,
because you have until October.
Basically, Google's working with regulators to like more
regulate these apps. And basically my understanding and reading of this is that it's just going to be
harder as a startup. You're going to need to hire more lawyers as a startup. And it's kind of
annoying, but apparently non-custodial, you're fine. So maybe, maybe this ends up being fine
for non-custodial, but it didn't look great.
Like, I don't, it's not the right direction in my opinion, but yeah, we'll see what happens.
We'll see what happens.
It's Android, dude.
It doesn't matter.
Oh, I'm good.
I'm actually, it's a good question.
Like, who here on stage uses Android?
I'm just totally curious.
Okay, so we're all iPhone. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I'm iPhone as well.
Yeah. The iPhone to Mac. I mean, uh, my, my opinion is, uh, you know, I use PCs for gaming mostly, but like the, the, the Apple experience is still the least buggy of any, you know,
integrated experience, whether, you know, but I still use, you know, integrated experience, you know.
But I still use, you know, I can use Signal on my Mac, I can use it on my phone,
I can use WhatsApp on my Mac, I can use it on my phone.
You know, I've just never been an Android guy because, I mean, maybe just out of habit,
but, yeah, I don't know.
I also, even though the camera's better on those phones, supposedly,
the iPhone still somehow takes better pictures? I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I also, even though the camera is better on those phones, supposedly, the iPhone still somehow takes better pictures.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know.
Let's be honest.
Deep down, we're all Steve Jobs fanboys.
It's out of respect.
It's out of respect.
Okay, so, Justin, something interesting about this was that, and I know it's something that you're kind of interested in, is that you use the Bitcoin blockchain and you use the Ordinal's protocol to inscribe a file. And I don't think you're
necessarily like selling this. This is not a financial use case necessarily of the blockchain.
You literally just like that your art is going to be stored in Bitcoin forever. And anybody can go
to the Bitcoin blockchain and listen to this new song, this banger of yours. And that's pretty badass, right?
Like, this will literally be here, like, someday you will be old Justin and you'll die.
And this will still be on Bitcoin and it will still be around.
And your great, great grandchildren could go to Bitcoin and listen to it.
That's neat.
It's, you know, not everything is about speculation, right?
So shout out to you for kind of seeing that and appreciating that.
It's something we've been trying to push on the show for a super long time. And finally, you know, we're seeing
some people, some people step up. Yeah. So, okay. So that was one thing I wanted to chat about.
I don't know how much we can talk about your new stuff, Justin, but maybe we could touch on it a little bit.
I'd love to maybe just get some teaser type information out of you.
I got to try out your new product that you've been working on.
It's like really, really cool.
I shared an invite code with my co-host Trevor and Jan and would love to talk about that in a moment.
But yeah, I guess actually first, welcome to the stage, Dan Held.
Did you have a question for Justin related to his song on Bitcoin?
Dan!
What up, Dan?
Dan and I go back.
Hey, man.
How's it going, Justin?
Good, man.
Good, good.
It's been a minute since we've seen each other in person, I feel like.
Did I see you in Vegas?
I don't remember.
Yeah, we saw each other in Denver, I think.
Denver, yeah, that was last.
Yeah, yeah.
Should we tell people our kind of origin story, what we talked about?
Oh, man, yeah.
Yeah, go for it.
So, you know, Justin, he's out in Vegas and I'm out in Texas.
And so we both have an affinity for guns.
And Justin had a particular gun that he's interested in that he had purchased
called the ps90 that uh gone on i don't know if anyone here watched uh that sci-fi series stargate
it's the guns they use there well also westworld also westworld that's right yeah westworld has
those too i actually have the same gun too the short barrel version with us with the suppressor
on it.
So the first time we met each other in person
because we'd follow each other on social for a while.
The first time we met in person, that was our first conversation.
I don't know if you remember that.
Bonding over, I remember it now that you say it,
but bonding over one of the coolest firearm designs of all time.
And the reason why this gun is so cool for those in
the audience is because it holds like smaller rifle rounds but the mag it's also a bullpup
rifle so very very portable um the fully automatic version is completely illegal because it's
manufactured after 1986 and you can own an automatic weapon in the united states if it
was made before 1986 what an insane law right that that like you can you can do it if it's before this year but you
can't after this year like it's still gonna fucking work the same i don't know it's crazy
but the ps90 is the semi-automatic version and um i just think it's one of the coolest uh
inventions of ballistic technology uh just because of how basically the rounds go about
2000 feet per second. Um, so they're incredibly powerful, but you can fit 50 rounds in a magazine
and the gun is extremely portable and small. So it's like, um, just a really cool invention.
Um, and yeah, we just bonded over that. And that was the first time we met,
you know, it's as an old old timer bitcoiner you know that kind
of reminded me of og like you know super early bitcoin conversations where everyone is into
bitcoin guns and silk road so yeah no it was uh dude dan i um i actually got to facetime ross
a couple weeks ago um and that was i mean i was, I mean, I was kind of fanboying the whole time,
but we weren't talking really about him.
He was looking for, so my agent is his cousin.
Can you, like, my agent for music is his cousin.
And I guess when he was pardoned,
like, no one in the music industry because everyone's kind of you know leaning a certain direction um no one like congratulated him except
for me and so so we reconnected over that but um well he was so he he's a big time music agent he
does a lot of really big artists like he does Rufus and a bunch of others.
And he actually wasn't on my team.
We're just in the same agency.
And he was like, Justin, I want to join your project.
I want to be a part of it.
And so now he's actually one of my, I technically have three agents,
but he's, he's on the team now.
But yeah, anyway, meeting Ross was like such a fucking trip and he's,
he's a legend.
Yeah, no, he, what was funny is for those folks who remember,
he got arrested in San Francisco when I was, I think, what was that, late 2013, like October-ish, I think, I forget exactly, but he used to come to the meetups.
about 30 of us who'd go every month.
And so it was a little weird to be like, oh, yeah, that guy.
That guy that we were just hanging out with.
But Ross is a class act, man.
I think he's a good guy.
Dan, did you ever do a roundtable?
Did you ever go to a roundtable?
Satoshi roundtable?
Yeah.
I've been to six of them.
Yeah, I feel like that might have been we
must have met at the the cabo one maybe i don't know i feel like we've the ones are better because
you know i like mexico the other ones just far i haven't been to any of them in dubai
the dubai ones are way too far wouldn't recommend it um the mexico ones were i think kind of peak like that was that was a vibe
the first one was in dominican republic um fatala came to that one in brian armstrong
which is kind of wild but um yeah man it's you know i popped on this just to chat with some
you know just to chat with everybody about the all-time high you know it's uh it's an incredible moment here we're all true believers you know up on up on stage here so yeah just for me it's been you
know these are the moments i live for just hanging out with uh wait dude i didn't even realize we
went to a new atch just now that's crazy dan this is breaking news we have not covered this on the
show we've just been uh you know bantering and chatting about Justin's inscription.
Can you, Dan, give us the lowdown.
We just hit through an all-time high,
basically, obviously. Sorry, Justin.
I didn't mean to hijack it.
Yeah, no, look.
These are the moments that I've been waiting for my whole life.
I've been in this space almost 13 years now.
We thought we were
going to get shut down and
FBI was going to kick in our doors.
So to see where we are now is an incredible moment. And, you know, I think a lot of people,
it's funny to see how much bearishness is still in the space where people are like still pretty
bearish or they're like, oh, Bitcoin has lost its way. All these kind of like all this hand
wringing. And when you look at it, you're like, no, this is what winning looks like. Bitcoin's core code did not change at all. The institutions bent the knee to Bitcoin. Bitcoin
didn't change for the institutions. And so I think the price is testament to us winning.
Like, yeah, do I wish more people self-custodied? Sure. Do I wish more people understood how Bitcoin
worked? Absolutely. But we're here and there's a thousand other alternative
universes where it didn't succeed. So I'm just incredibly happy and excited where we're at now.
And honestly, it kind of ended up here because one, obviously you've been on the show before,
love you guys. Just, no, this felt like the people I wanted to spend this time with. That's
why I popped on. I believe I'm correct in saying you were with us the last time Bitcoin hit an all-time high, which is a very fun space as well.
100K.
I remember that.
It was 100K.
That was the big one.
That was true.
Yeah, that 100K one is huge.
I think, you know, it's funny.
These round numbers are like somewhat meaningless in a way.
But psychologically, it's a big impact.
I remember $10,000 and $1,000 of Bitcoin, like $10,000 of Bitcoin kind of broke people's minds. Same with
100K. You know, 100K was like, okay, you know, for the non-believers, they're like, okay, this
Bitcoin thing, yeah, last time I heard about it, it was $1,000 or $10,000 and now it's 100,000.
a thousand dollars or $10,000 and now it's a hundred thousand. It's sort of the price is
testament to its resiliency, its network effect. And it's just sort of like this marker milestone
as it continues to grow in adoption because it's a lot easier to say, yeah, Bitcoin has broke a
hundred thousand dollars of Bitcoin versus saying, oh yeah, there was a million active addresses yesterday. It just doesn't have that ring.
Bitcoin's price is its marketing message in a way, whereas the price goes higher,
people become more aware of it and buy in anticipation of it going higher, which creates
a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy of people believing in Bitcoin makes it happen. It makes
it come true because people buy into it. So yeah, I know these moments are, I'm incredibly proud and happy these moments because
that these are moments where we should celebrate. It's also, I wish there was a North American big
crypto conference this fall. You know, it's due, I just remember certain moments for different
price points at certain times at different conferences. And so I decided to go out to Token 2049 because that's kind of like the biggest one.
But there's not that classic North American big conference this year
for the rest of the year.
So a little bit of a bummer there.
We got BTC Summit, though, in Hong Kong.
That's why they canceled all the North American ones
because they heard that Jan was hosting one.
They didn't want to compete with our boy Jan, Trevor.
Yeah, I think that's smart. i think that's smart i think that's smart guys i wish i could make it out um it's unfortunate that i i i haven't been i mean bitcoin vegas was easy because i live in
vegas so it wasn't even uh wasn't really that much effort um but man there were other conferences in the past where
was bad and but all the same like the real one showed up you know like i remember
the craziest one was i think korea blockchain week in like 2018 it was like deep 2018 bear market um
or maybe i don't know there's so many of these conferences. I agree though, Dan. I think that there I mean, look, I support there being
different conferences for different blockchains
in general, but has anybody
actually done just like a
non-hater
neutral crypto succeeding
type conference? Because
as somebody who very much believes
in lots of technologies, regardless
of their use case and security,
I just love it.
I support anyone who doesn't intentionally rug.
Anyone who's using the technology for the better
and not trying to rug is a win.
And I think that there should be a conference in the US
that celebrates all
crypto. And I just, I actually don't know, has there been one,
or is it always like East Denver and then like PTC and then,
you know, you know, mainnet kind of was that right.
Oh, right. Mainnet. Yeah, that's true.
You got a couple of them like that, like mainnet. I mean,
I would say Bitcoin Vegas is still pretty like crypto rather than Bitcoin,
but it's still like heavily Bitcoin-leaning.
What's the one that Janowicz
does?
Permissionless. I actually talked to him this morning.
Yeah, I think
that one too, but yeah, you're right.
Actually, token 2049 is huge.
Yeah, but that's in Singapore, no?
Yeah, it's pretty far away.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we live in the yeah but that's in singapore no yeah it's pretty far away yeah yeah
yeah we we live in the parallel kind of universe i don't know if they all do this but at least in
ours we live in the world where the crazy people who are saying like bitcoin would do all this
stuff and it would the entire world just dunked on for like many many years it turned out that
like those people were right and you know bitcoin's probably just youed on for like many, many years. It turned out that like those people were right.
And, you know, Bitcoin's probably just, you know, going to like millions of dollars.
Like it's literally all the crazy stuff that people said happened.
Like basically exactly the way they said it would happen.
It's just happening.
So, yeah, Dan, I guess a question everybody has.
What do you think?
What do you think of like, okay, the next 12 months,
we're clearly entering some sort of very bullishness aspect of the sort of market psychology cycles that we have. I've heard so many wild predictions on this show. We've had
predictions like Jan, who thinks it'll cap out at 150K this cycle. We've had people predict a million.
We've had people predict a million dollars. He's like, wait.
Jan's going to try to walk that back, but we're going to hold him accountable.
Yeah, that's not true, though.
But let's do it.
What do you predict this cycle for an all-time high?
If you had to give just reasonable target range might be?
Look, I know Jan super well.
I'm pretty sure he's okay with me sharing this,
but we always sauna together at different conferences.
He's a big sauna guy.
So there's a sauna DAO group where we go sauna at conferences all across the world
but uh fully closed by the way we're closed it's uh it's with other people's
that's just funny
but uh no so i know he's bullish i know he's a he's bullish on bitcoin but um
no look i i think 150 would be a little low like i think that's a little disappointing in terms of
price point.
I think some people call for diminishing cycles, right?
Like the prices, we're not going to see as much growth.
That might be the case, but Bitcoin's monetary policy is the same monetary policy.
It's $21 million hard cap.
That's it.
And this time we have more flows coming in through ETFs, through institutions buying and governments talking about it.
I mean, if you've got a fixed quantity and a lot more people wanting to buy it, the number is going to go up.
It's not rocket science.
And the real question is, of all of us on stage, no matter what the price is, who's selling?
At this point, who wants that tax obligation?
Who wants, i don't you know like i'm very happy with where it is so i think you bring up a really good point justin
which is like i actually went through this exercise a while ago because i've never sold
any of my bitcoin and you know there's some things i want to buy like a house or something like that
right and and then i was analyzing it and i'm like well if i sell my
bitcoin let's say you want it to diversify right let's say hypothetically that's your goal like
you're just you have too much bitcoin and you're like oh i'm worried i'm over overextended in the
category what are you gonna put it in cash you're gonna put it i mean dan so what I will say, having been through this myself, and like, I, not cash, but like, in 2021, I did sell for the first time some Bitcoin. And I bought a house. And that was a good decision, because I've gotten a lot of happiness out of that, right? And so at some point, you know, I think that's maybe the only thing, like you get, maybe you don't get like, forget the real estate,'t get... Forget the real estate values for a second,
but I do think owning a home is a great thing.
It feels special. I love it.
I've been in my place for like six...
I've actually been in my place for five years.
But yeah, I think that's about it though.
I still think Bitcoin and other native blockchain tokens
probably outperform a lot of other things over the next 10 years.
And so it's like if you're happy,
I think a home does add a lot to your happiness.
But beyond that, what else other than I love watches?
But other than that, what else are you really going to do?
We shouldn't torture everyone on stage,
but I just got into watches about a year ago,
so we've got to compare notes.
I've gone fully down the watch rabbit hole.
I'm adding you to the Tech Bro watch group chat after this.
What everybody should be getting into here
is find art on Bitcoin instead of watches and homes.
All of the above.
All of the above.
What's up, guys?
Just wanted to say hi i don't want
to interrupt but great to have everybody here it's such a monumental moment for bitcoin i love you all
well in it and that's what was kind of cool you know thinking about you know what what next step
like if you were to sell some bitcoin or something i mean look i think justin brings up a great point
you only live once like i'm not advocating that you hodl until you die and then that's the point
of life like what's what's kind of sad about wealth in a way is that it's inversely, uh,
it's, it works inversely relative to your age. So if you let compounding do its thing,
your money grows and grows and grows as you get older, but you enjoy that money less and less
and less because there's less things you can do when you get older and your body breaks down.
And certainly a million dollars when you're 20 is much more enjoyable than when you're 90.
So yeah, there's this sort of sliding curve of, you know, as you age, you know, what amount
of Bitcoin do you sell or do you sell at all?
There's definitely no shame in selling.
Like for me, it wasn't a dogmatic thing.
I had certain, and my investment thesis from
day one was like bitcoin to be gold 2.0 and we're finally realizing that and i would never sell an
investment until i or sell part of it until i reach its investment thesis um like the investment
thesis gets realized so so so 900k for you yeah, I think we've got governments officially recognizing Bitcoin
institutions. That gold is glimmering. Let's put it that way. But I would never sell anything close
to half. And I would never, you would never want to sell your whole stack here. Like with Bitcoin
in particular, this is a very atypical asset. It's got no going concern risk. Like unlike Apple or
Google, which can be disrupted,
Bitcoin is very unlikely to be disrupted and there's no one having to operate Bitcoin.
Bitcoin just operates and it succeeds
because it's this peer-to-peer network
that's incredibly resilient.
So, you know, from a return per unit of risk,
it's hard to find a better investment than Bitcoin.
And that's kind of why I made that comment earlier
of if I diversify out of this thing,
what the heck else do I buy? But no, over the last couple of years, I've been spending time thinking about, well, I only live once. What do we go spend our
time doing? And I actually did fall down the rabbit hole of watches because I think it's
interesting. It's a physical object you can wear. And as a guy. We don't have a lot of jewelry, right? We have maybe bracelets and a necklace,
but most men don't wear a lot of jewelry. And as a guy, it's kind of fun to have a watch that
means something to you. It means maybe it's your first child. It's your marriage. It's,
it's your financial milestone and wearing that, you know, you in choosing the style of watch that
you pick to represent that moment, or do you just choosing the style of watch that you pick to represent
that moment, or do you just pick the watch because you like the watch? You know, those things, I
think, very much feed into that human nature of wanting to feel connected to something. So
I think collectibles are in NFTs, you know, on Ethereum and NFTs on Bitcoin really opened me up
to the whole collectible category because, you know, I would say watches are a subset of just collectibles in general. So it was really interesting when, you know,
when you look at like, for example, I've been, you know, consulting the Tapper Wizards for the
last two years on the QuantumCats and Tapper Wizard collections. And before I got into NFTs,
before I went to NFT NYC, you know, for a couple of years in a row, I thought it was silly.
And then once I went down the rabbit hole, it's actually quite intuitive that will people choose to value scarce things?
You know, I think you look across all humankind and people collecting things is one of the unanimous things across all cultures.
So yeah, for me, tying this all in together and tying it to the ordinal show here,
collectibles are here to stay. And I think we're going to see a really, really cool season
after Bitcoin goes above. I think Bitcoin price-wise probably hits $250K would be my median target.
But I think Bitcoin above $150K to $200K, we see some really interesting price action with Bitcoin DeFi, which I'm a big investor in.
Same with Trevor here.
Bitcoin DeFi, which includes ordinals, BRC20s.
I think we're going to see a really strong ecosystem develop there.
Bitcoin is the largest ecosystem in the crypto world,
and it's also the largest market cap, most liquid.
I think NFTs on Bitcoin are going to be huge.
And Justin, it's awesome to hear that you just launched a song on Bitcoin.
That's incredible.
Yeah, no, thanks, man. When we started the space, Leo and Trevor were just talking about quality. Crypto punks for me were really meaningful in ways that everything you just described about watches. The reason why I fell in love with watches also around a year ago, Dan, is because in the physical world, they are technically the most portable store of value that also are a reflection of your taste and i'm not the kind of guy that's going to wear a diamond chain
it's just not really who i am you know and who knows how valuable those are when they can be
grown in a lab um watches are sort of the cleanest value per human physical effort in the physical
world so like all the engineering and and the actual act of keeping time accurately
is really fascinating.
And I'm not talking about Richard Mille stuff.
There's some insanely artistic...
It's basically art within a constraint.
And I think the same is actually true...
So the way watches are sort of art within a constraint
and the watch market is still...
I think it's like 80 billion annually,
um, in total sales. And I think Rolex accounts for a huge portion of that. Um, but the same way
watches are like sort of art within a constraint. I sort of see that, you know, the same with
inscriptions, the same with NFTs is like, there is this hard constraint that you have as a, as a
creative when you express art on blockchain.
And that constraint in the case of, you know, for me was like block size.
But the benefit is permanence.
And so, you know, when I first started exploring storing a song on BTC, it's just like too expensive to justify it, especially because I didn't want to like sell it.
I didn't want to like, you know, create want to create a frenzy, PFP-type behavior.
And so the constraint is quite literally block size,
and we made it work.
And then with Ethereum,
I think there's a whole different set of constraints,
especially when you're storing the file off-chain, right?
You're on IPFS or wherever you choose to.
This idea of
portable value, whether it's in a watch in the physical world or a collectible in the digital
world, the reality is that like a lot of things in the physical world are quite inefficient and
costly. So even like real estate, right? Like you have to pay real estate taxes every year and
something goes wrong in your house and a car needs maintenance and all these things. But,
and I mean, even watches need maintenance too, maintenance too. But when you have digital stores of value that are beyond the base currency,
whether that be Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, whatever,
there is a certain feeling that you can't really explain.
I love my CryptoPunk.
I don't think I'll ever sell this CryptoPunk because it means something to me.
And I think that like we get
really caught up in number go up stuff and i think for a lot of us here like we've seen we've been
around for a while right so like we've seen things go up and down but in the end you know things that
are digitally native and scarce are just super interesting and more and more i mean we see what's
going on with like labubus right now it's just like so inevitable that there are more digital forms of that.
Right.
But yeah, that's just my take.
Collecting is fun, Justin.
It's like what Dan was saying.
Like collecting is an experience that, I mean, look, holding Bitcoin is awesome.
Holding meme coins is awesome.
But it's a very different experience than like activating those like deep wiring in our brain from like going and like Davaging for food or something, right? There's definitely something about collecting that I think we've all probably experienced here
just getting to dive down the rabbit hole on a specific collection or niche or category of
Physical digital whatever right?
It's very fun. I think we've all we're all probably here listening today because we've had fun collecting
It totally changed what blockchain and what crypto meant to me personally. And I,
you know, I hope that we can all kind of continue to be stewards of that. I think like NFTs probably
got dunked on hardest of anything in crypto over the past couple of years. And I think we're
starting to see a little bit of a return. And I think that's exciting. And look, I think NFTs are going to have a really big moment this cycle.
I think it's going to happen on multiple chains.
And I think Bitcoin will be one of those chains, which is super exciting.
Can I ask, Justin, what your background is?
Is this another piece of art you hold or what is it?
On my CryptoPunk?
Yeah, like it's got like a pattern like it's obviously oh so i i just um
i just don't like the blue the like the the normal so like the the actual original crypto
punk i mean i'm sure you know this leo but for the audience like the the 10 000 uh pixelated
images is it's actually a png file that was hashed. And so you can just replace the
background with whatever you want. And I, I, there is an interesting story behind this background.
So I, I sort of became obsessed through, through like my fascination with watches that also started
about a year ago, I started getting like really interested in like rare materials,
minerals, and like not non diamond things that are just rare on earth.
And,
yeah,
just out of like pure fascination.
And like,
I went down the rabbit hole,
like taphite,
which is like technically the rarest mineral.
It's like 10,000 times more rare than diamonds,
but like doesn't have the same market value because of its color.
It's like this weird purple color and it's only
like uh mineable in like madagascar or something i just like or not matter somewhere somewhere near
there um and like i just was sort of excited about that stuff and then i sort of landed on meteor
meteorite as a really interesting like i just like kind of got obsessed with meteorite stuff and i
stuff and i talked to chat gpt a lot about it and so yeah so the background on the cryptopunk is
talked to chat gpt a lot about it and so yeah so the background on the crypto punk is literally just
literally just um a mid-journey rendition of my favorite meteorite and that's the beauty of
cryptopunks is you could just like pull whatever you want behind it but that's the background it's
it's nothing more than than that so meteorite you're talking about literal rocks that came
from outer space broke through our atmosphere and then people can collect them even though it sounds
like your piece is mid-journey yeah yeah so my piece is definitely mid-journey it's i did buy
a bunch of meteorite out of curiosity like some of which was more expensive than others but meteorite
actually has like every actual meteorite that has crashed onto earth in different areas like has a
different name so there's this like big one that's like from china that's like relatively inexpensive
because it's just this giant ass fucking rock that like is easily mineable but there are other
meteorites that like have diamond particles and like there's all it's a whole world of like really
interesting stuff but there's no good way to buy any of this stuff it's like there's no like market
really for it because diamond like to beers did such a good job with diamonds as like a symbol of
love and permanence and all this stuff but there's like there's a lot more interesting stuff out there there's just there just aren't markets for it um and yeah and i just like i
don't know why i got excited about meteorite but i but i it's actually quite a beautiful stone like
or like depending on the meteorite some of it actually looks really ugly um but i yeah i just asked chat to um do a rendition of um one that has like a lot of shine
to it i think it's it's one of the ones that um landed in china but yeah i mean yeah that's
basically it that's a cool i mean that look that's a cool like flex it sounds like you're probably
not really flexing your pieces but i feel like having a piece of meteorite is like a centerpiece on like a table or something.
I'm going to look into this now.
That's definitely in the league of like where people collect like dinosaur fossils, like big ones,
like a velociraptor's skull, you know, like it seems like...
Wait, is that a... Can you actually buy a velociraptor skull, Trevor trevor is that a thing i can't confirm or deny but um just an example there's a lot of things you could buy
it's validating whether or not they're real is is is maybe the hard part but um i mean that's
what we got the blockchain for just put on the blockchain exactly no i i uh i just think rare
objects are fun right like rare rare and like actually truly scarce things are fascinating.
It's funny you got into crystals as well.
I mean, I live in Austin, so Austin's very kind of hippie culture.
So we're really into crystals too.
I bought a six foot tall soda light.
The soda light is this blue crystal that I became obsessed with.
I don't know what it,
I don't know what it is about scarce things. It's just, once you get into your head, you want it,
you know, you know, it has, you know, you know, there's no intrinsic value, right?
There's just no intrinsic value to it, but it just catches your eye and it, it feel,
it's something that represents you as well, whether it be digital or physical.
It's an item that represents you, your taste.
And I think the costliness is a huge part of it.
If everyone could have it, it wouldn't be special.
The fact that it's costly is part of its allure.
Proof of work is a thing I think that is woven
through everything in life.
And the costliness of something signals that.
It's actually, I've spent, like I mentioned before, just kind of spending a bunch of time
thinking about Bitcoin, money, life, what that all means.
And when you think about it, a lot of wealth is more around proofably burning capital.
So your large home, your large condo, do you need all that space? The
answer is typically no, but the, the, the emptiness of the space signals your proof to a burn capital
just to show how much space you can waste. And then same with like a car, you know, is a,
is a Range Rover just as, as useful as a Honda Civic, you know, you look through and you look at a lot of,
same with watches, like a Tissot, you know, Justin, is a thousand bucks and it's pretty dang good.
But, you know, but in a Patek is a hundred times more, but, you know, it's the proof of work. It's
the provably burning capital or demonstrating that you can can deploy that
much capital or same with bottles of wine um every you know i started to realize that proof of burn
by buying scarce objects or buying or showing an ability to burn capital that's unnecessary
is actually the predominant way that society operates to demonstrate wealth
way that society operates to demonstrate wealth. That's a great take. I've never heard it
framed that way before, but I completely agree. And wine is not something I dabble in just because
I don't drink too much. But yeah, the wine world is just a whole other world. The wash world is
pretty deep. And I think you're right though i think
that like at some point you you know you you want to enjoy the hard work that you've put in or how
long you've believed in something and like it signals different things to different people
whether it be a pfp or a watch and to be honest like with watches one of the things that I found is I've actually made so many friends
through getting,
like I was never into it.
I actually was such a hater.
I was such a hater.
I was like,
people just do this to flex.
And then you learn really quickly.
And I got,
I got kind of deep in the Jorn community.
like I can tell a lot about someone depending on what watch they wear.
So if someone wears an RM,
I just have a preexisting opinion of them. If someone's. So if someone wears an RM, I just have a pre-existing opinion of them.
If someone's wearing a Jorn, I will go and strike up a conversation,
and they'll almost always be one of the most interesting people I meet.
Because you kind of have to be, right?
It's really niche.
They make $1,500 a year, if not less.
And it's purely this French, this guy Francois like one of the best watchmakers of all
time obviously many generations past hans hans and the rolex brand but like the the artistry and
the proof of work in the sense of like you know they have one watchmaker one make one of these
pieces every like they don't they don't have multiple people work on it. It's like one guy assembling each watch for the whole year.
And it's like,
it's,
it's a total,
it's proof of work in a way as well.
And then like,
not that many people know what it is,
but when you find someone who does,
holy shit,
like you're instantly friends.
Right.
And there aren't that many things that do that.
I think in the physical world,
I mean,
cars do that a little bit,
but you can't carry your car into the restaurant think, in the physical world. I mean, cars do that a little bit. You can't carry your car into a restaurant, though.
Exactly.
I mean, the thing that's just dope in with cars also is that when you see a nice car, a lot of the times you're thinking, oh, that guy took out a lot of debt in order to get that car.
So it is different with, I don't know, like the collectible items that you're talking about.
I think people are taking out debt to get a watch or things like that.
It's like you actually have to have some culture behind
it to really understand it. But I don't know. I think that's just a sign of dystopian culture
that we have is that some people aren't actually willing to put in the work. They're actually
rather take out debt. And it's more like a proof of stake system. It's like, yeah, I have the car.
I'm rich. But in reality, you're in massive debt. Yeah, and I think that's like for watches as well.
Like if you're buying something you can't afford,
like that's what's kind of fun about watches is that I've got,
you know, I've got a handful of ones that are under 100 bucks
just because I think they look kind of funny and fun.
And then I've got some that are,
I'm not going to mention how much they are, but a lot.
And so, you know, I think part of that is just like a reflection of you.
But if you're going into debt to show off a watch, or let's say you're 22 years old,
and you want to flex and you wear a really nice watch, it's not the signal you think it is.
You know, it's more of like when you can afford it, does it mean something special to you?
First and foremost, you have to love it. You shouldn't be buying it because other people like it.
And so I think what I love about watches too
is that it's something that should last decades.
And in fact, with servicing could last multiple lifetimes.
And it's something too that, I don't know,
it's this beautiful piece of art on your wrist.
You know, it's like this, um, and in that, that piece of art you chose.
And I think I really liked Justin's framing of, there's a design constraint of, of, and
what people call this by the way, in the watch world is called complications.
So in addition to telling time, can your watch do other cool things?
Like we give you a date, et cetera, like that?
So, you know, there's some people that value the complication side of things or some people value the rarity of it.
I think what's really neat, too, and I didn't know this until I got into the watch world, is that a lot of watches are called perpetuals.
And what that means is that perpetuals don't require any battery or any electricity
they operate based on human motion which then coils the spring and that spring is essentially
a physical battery that powers the watch for like up to a couple days so i personally love perpetuals i don't have any yeah automat automatics yeah so so um yeah like if you guys are at all interested in this there's
actually dan and i could talk so long probably about this and we should we should sidebar um i
got into it just because i think it's one of the coolest physical stores of value um that does say
a lot about you and there's a great podcast um i don't know if
any of you guys have ever listened to the acquired podcast guys on spotify they are amazing um but
there's an entire acquired podcast on rolex it's five and a half hours and you listen to that oh
dude it's amazing it's fucking amazing um but like going through the story of how important, sort of the way Bitcoin is revolutionary to our financial system, I would say there are five major human inventions that really took humanity to the next level.
probably timekeeping. Because no one could tell when people were sailing across the ocean,
even before the United States existed, no one could tell what longitude they were at.
And so navigation was really, really hard. And the only way to solve that problem is with really
accurate timekeeping. And so for exploration and discovery, timekeeping as an art form was
both a science and an art form and probably the second biggest
invention like electricity probably too right like you you've got a lot of different ones
um but timekeeping is a pretty important one and it kind of gets overlooked and uh yeah i love that
you bring that up because nick zavo for those who remember him um you know really really prominent kind of early crypto thinker. He wrote a piece on how timekeeping
basically was a key component to capitalism and the economy blossoming as much as it did,
because how else would you price out your time? How would you do deliveries? You know,
you would have to be like, I guess we meet when the sun's at its peak underneath the tree versus like, yeah, I'll meet you at noon.
I'll meet you right at noon.
And then if people are five minutes late, you're like, hey, man, I've been waiting for five minutes.
Before that, time was really fuzzy.
You know, you weren't able to tranche out and price your time.
You have to price your time on like a daily basis or maybe an afternoon or a morning.
And then he mentioned how clock towers in Europe,
now everyone had synchronized time, which is really huge. And then what Justin brought up,
the Acquired podcast piece on Rolex, they delve into the history of wristwatches.
And that was pretty fascinating of when did like, when did, you know,
kind of personally keeping time become a thing when we were sophisticated enough to make time
pieces in our pocket, pocket watches or on our wrist. And it's hard, like the amount of
provenance and pedigree that went into this science is so fascinating. And then in the 80s,
it became completely irrelevant. But what's funny is that even though the tech, the utility sort of became
irrelevant, the market still kept growing, because of just our appreciation of another human being
assembling this little device that tells us probably the most important information we can
know. And everyone's like, Oh, yeah, you can use your phone. And honestly, when I go to dinner with someone, I keep my phone face down and I look at my
little analog clock and I feel more respectful.
Like it's one of those things like big unlock.
Like I never was into it except until free until a year ago.
And it's sort of similar with like with everything that we talk about on chain, right?
Where like maybe there's only a certain audience of people that appreciate the stuff that we're doing here.
But damn, we all really respect it
and have a deep connection to it.
So even if you're, you know, regular guy on the street
might not know what an ordinal is,
might not know what an inscription is,
might not really give, all they've heard about NFTs
is that they busted or something.
At the same time, like there's so much community
around people that have the same PFP
or are part of the same collection. Or, you know, these are the same time like there's so much community around people that have the same pfp or are part of the same collection or you know these are the things that like we don't you know
it takes years for them to develop beyond speculation but i think we're at this point now
where um i mean shit i know so many people in this space for so many years and i would consider
a lot of you even though i haven't met all of you in person like i consider a lot of you better
friends than than people that aren't as involved in the crypto space just because they don't
necessarily share the same belief systems that we do right like we all have we're all here because
the us government can print as many dollars as they want and we think that's kind of up
right and like so we share some fundamental beliefs that makes us friends
we're in a cult of sorts it's a're in a cult of sorts.
It's a cult of sorts.
That's what I found really cool about, you know,
larger collections, like the 10,000 PFP collections
and collections with thousands of, you know, units
because you can develop, like, there's not like,
I don't, well, maybe there is, I don't know,
but I'm pretty sure Picasso owners don't all get together and talk.
Like I think they know of each other.
Probably,
probably not,
probably not as much. Like that's,
I don't,
I don't know.
I did go to this,
like I did go to this Gagosian event in Miami once.
And like,
yeah,
like a lot of collectors are friends with each other type thing,
but it's not the same.
It's definitely not the same
Cynthia what do you think about all this
good evening everyone hello um very interesting discussion about watches i like watches as well i
don't have any fancy watches but i certainly enjoy them and appreciate them a lot and uh
understand the artistry and uh technical aspects that go into them.
So shout out to everyone with their beautiful watches.
I was going to mention how I've read that the time, in terms of timekeeping,
we started standard timekeeping because of the railroads.
And before that, everyone was kind of, you know, roundabout the same time, but it was really when there were railroads being built across America
that they had to come up with a standard time that everyone was on
because of what you had mentioned, Leonidas,
where people had to coordinate and it really needed to be more precise.
So I think that's an interesting development for sure,
how one technology affects another.
I kind of like the idea.
That's a huge part of like the idea sorry go ahead
cynthia oh no i was just gonna say how technology affects such a huge part of life and changes
something uh so fundamental in the way we live in society yeah i mean completely like we uh
yeah yeah i kind of like the idea trevor yan maybe we have the ordinal show like start at sundown new york city time or something i don't know like it would be kind of different every week it's so hard in
modern days with uh like so much blue light in our face every like no matter what you do right like
you have to like to track the the normal cycles but i was going to bring up that um the first the
first uh what's considered the
first computer was also a time tracking device not for uh hours but for like the the cycles of
the planets that's called the anti-kythera mechanism it was like it's like created in um
like the year like 150 bc which and it was discovered in 1900 like 1902 uh in a shipwreck and and previously before it was
discovered it's kind of like a rosetta stone a little bit almost but not as epic but like it's
like considered number two like most amazing discovery of the ancient world kind of a thing
because it it told us that like people previously didn't think that uh humans made any type of clocks
or things until like the 1200s or 1300s.
And so to discover like a really complicated, you know, with, it was like,
it was like 39 different gears inside of it and in the box there were,
there were sort of like beliefs that something like that existed actually
like the, because like Archimedes and, um, and Euclid like these
like crazy Greek mathematicians in the 300 BC around this time.
And a lot of like modern math was like created then, which is crazy to think what, what humans
were capable of even like 2000 years ago.
That's not, that's crazy.
They, I didn't even realize they had gears back then.
Really?
Maybe that's naive, but no, no, no naive. No one did until they found this device. They only knew about the first gears having been developed in like 1300.
Yeah, that's wild. Nox, what's up, man?
Hey, guys. Happy All-Time High Day.
I was just kind of lurking and listening to Justin and Dan talk about watches.
It just clicked in my head how much that relates back to ordinals in general.
The scarcity of block space and having to operate within those restrictions.
and I don't know
I don't know.
I think as things progress
and as Dan was just saying
he thinks that Bitcoin
DeFi is going to start
popping off and obviously we all do
but that's obviously going to
create a high demand for block space
making stuff like what Justin
just did much, much
more expensive
I'm just I'm excited for everyone that's
been here you know building and releasing our like i just keep telling everyone right now like
get your artwork on chain now because um you know i think we're in for uh we're in for a silly season
i think that's a really good point you bring up, too, because we've talked about this with a lot of folks I know in this space where we could see these collections be permanently not replicable.
So, you know, let's say fees go up 100x, 200x from here, you know, to re-inscribe a song or re-inscribe an image could cost you like 50 million dollars or something right so yeah i
think there will be this sort of gating mechanic of both time and costliness where the earliest
collections one they've had more time to become a thing and two because of how costly it would be
to inscribe again that is sort of factored in with the way people think about its value.
Dude, 100%. And that's why I feel lucky that I got some decently priced fees right at this moment.
Because it's unclear how, you know, who knows what the fee market looks like for any of this stuff down the line.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's good timing.
So much development has been happening on Bitcoin,
more than I maybe even ever expected.
And I'm also friends with Dave Marcus
and everything he's doing over there at LightSpark.
I mean, we're seeing incredible development happen
across every blockchain.
And I'm definitely not a maxi
of any kind I was a BTC maxi I was converted um in like 20 2017 early 2017 is when I really
began to understand that Ethereum could probably solve a lot of problems in my world faster than
Bitcoin could at the time but it's crazy just to see how far we've come across across all of them well even you can
look at the price of bitcoin as like a i mean you pay in bitcoin in order to get these things going
i mean thankfully now we can like do fractionalized uh you know uh transactions and like our uh
fractionalized and sats review by but um yeah no i'm i'm just soaked i got i just got like 120
collection of one ofs up as well.
Soft show there.
But yeah.
I think there's like a few people I've talked to over the years that have this thesis around just like it doesn't matter even what the file is.
They just want to collect as many megabytes as possible.
I think I don't want to.
I don't think it's that
private. Like Robert Clark has a nice collection, a pretty, pretty big, heavy wallet going on.
And we actually talked for a while about on ord.io, Zach, if you remember, this was like
at least over a year ago about having a ranking of wallets based on like megabytes held and having
like a leaderboard. And you could basically imagine a new currency forming on
Bitcoin priced in megabytes and kilobytes and even gigabytes. And you could easily see it
becoming a store of value. Obviously, if that narrative took over, it's inflationary infinitely
in that there's four megabytes every 10 minutes that you could fill up. But there has been people.
It's one of the areas that's very, very niche.
I've only had a few of these conversations.
But there are people that value file size.
But Leo, you know what else is infinitely inflationary?
Labubus.
So I don't know, man.
Anything can happen.
Yeah, I guess you could say it's actually linear.
Sorry, did you say Beanie Babies?
Yeah, it is.
I said Pokemon cards.
Yeah, it's predictably inflationary.
And I guess for the first year, you get a lot of...
Yeah, over time, it could probably become more of a stable store of value if people
were inscribing a lot but yeah i don't know just throwing it in there because i know there's some
nerds out there who probably had the same the same uh thought process uh that they've gone through
um did you see that um gold bar collection i can't remember who was doing that but yeah
he's consistently yeah they're like 256 kilobyte gold bars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, in some ways, Uncommon Goods kind of fills that niche as well.
Right.
If like you consider if that's just like the baseline demand just for like raw block space.
When are we going to see Uncommon Goods pop off?
That's a good question.
I feel like Casey should have made it one year and not four years.
But yeah, like people, the Uncommon uncommon goods market for people who don't know, it's a rune that you can basically inscribe during an open period.
So we've got three more years until the next happening where you can inscribe, sorry, mint uncommon goods.
And there's been, I don't know, Zach, we could check, but it's got to be over a million Bitcoin transactions just minting uncommon goods. And there's been, I don't know, like, Zach, we could check,
but it's got to be like over a million Bitcoin transactions just minting uncommon goods,
probably many millions. I can check in a second. But it's interesting because uncommon goods
actually forced a little bit of a change in the Bitcoin network. If people have noticed over the
past six months, people are doing under one sat per
V by transaction. So traditionally, this wasn't something people really cared about. They were
fine to just pay one sat per V by it's low enough. Anyways, the uncommon goods rune forced a bit of
a market dynamic where there are several people, I would guess it's like two or three or four
entities in the world that are spending, you know, money.
They have a bot that's minting uncommon goods all the time.
And they have figured out if they put in, you know, 0.5 sat per V-byte, 0.4 sat per V-by, it's like they don't even know what it is. But it's forcing an interesting little bit dynamic with the fee market there on Bitcoin.
And MimFold.Space now is kind of like displaying that a little bit differently.
And more and more miners are mining these like 0.5 sat per V-byte fees.
So hopefully this isn't a long-term problem.
I don't think it will be.
But temporarily, if you do want to inscribe, you can actually go below one sat per vbyte
right now.
You could rip your big inscription at 0.5 sat per vbyte and literally save half the
money.
You have to be patient.
It has to be a moment where the Bitcoin mempool is basically clearing, but certain miners
will take that if they win the block.
So just a little bit of a development in the Bitcoin fee market
that if you care about this kind of thing,
it's something to pay attention to.
I think that'll become more common,
assuming fees stay low.
I'm imagining we may be entering a period
where this is an irrelevant conversation
in a couple of weeks or something.
But yeah, not good stuff.
Good call out.
Okay, look, very cool.
I'm watching. we're just like
tinkering on all-time high right now um i feel like yeah we'll definitely don't watch it don't
watch it or it'll go down we'll keep the show going for a little while and see what happens
here you never know it's like uh bitcoin loves to just like you know pop up a thousand dollars
randomly it's like and it's nothing now so i could see us you know really can you imagine though like i i still can't believe it like i i can't i can't really look
anymore i don't know it's like i i i really thought that it would take longer to get to 100
maybe not because i didn't believe it would ever get there more just that i just thought it would
take longer you know i and i think maybe a maybe a big reason for what's happening is macroeconomics across the board.
We're experiencing some crazy forces that are a result of just human error, bad economic policy.
And I think part of the reason for this bull run
and whether Bitcoin has $250 or stays at $150 or whatever,
I think the thing that everybody actually is beginning to understand
on a human level is that government-generated stores of value,
you can't control them, right?
And there's no rulebook.
The Fed could come out tomorrow and say what it says.
We could keep borrowing against dollars. Foreign interest rates change. Other economies,
GDP changes. If China controls the AI market for whatever reason, that's going to change the forces
of different currencies and relative value. And I think more human beings are just actually
beginning to realize that their bank account doesn't really accurately represent the value that they may create in the world or will create in the future.
And I think that that realization is just spreading really quickly.
And so I have no idea what's going to happen with prices.
But I know that more and more people are beginning to realize that the old system doesn't really work for them.
And that's what gets me excited,
because I think it just took a while for people to understand it.
Even my parents, I've been telling my dad about Bitcoin
for freaking 10 years, 11 years.
And I think it was until recently that he actually cared to,
not that he didn't care he always like cared he
was interested but like i think people are just beginning to see that asset price inflation like
cpi comes out and that's like on a consumer level but asset prices are fucking just rocketing through
the roof right because money needs to park itself somewhere um and yeah that that's like that's kind of what's what's most exciting to me is just
seeing the interest from regular people manifest not necessarily just in speculation but in a little
bit of fear in what what they've got and what they've built for themselves on the dollar and
on other currencies and like shit like this thing is getting devalued what are we gonna do you know
this was a fringe idea during the 2017 cycle.
Like normies, honestly, if you said the word inflation, people are not financially illiterate.
They really didn't understand what that meant.
And they had never really felt the effects of it because the government was like doing
a pretty good job of keeping it just a stable, slow inflation where you don't really notice
But post COVID, I mean, I think people all like I was, uh, yeah, I was getting lunch with
some friends like, uh, over the weekend and they were like telling me I went to a private high
school and they were telling me the price to go to the high school. And, you know, I graduated
from that high school, uh, 11 years ago now. And it's like doubled. It's like the pre COVID
and post COVID pricing of things. Like there's nobody who you don't even need to explain
it to people. Everybody intuitively feels that. And I think it's like, it's not good because
it's not like all of like the minimum wages and the salaries people are making have also doubled.
So every single person, like I can really only speak for the US. I'm obviously it's a different
phenomenon in different countries, but I mean, look, going to a restaurant just costs way more than it did in like 2017.
And everybody knows that. And I think is understanding. It's like, you cannot just
leave your money in like a bank of America or Wells Fargo savings account, which is basically
a scam, right? Um, you have, you have to put it to work and do something. Otherwise you're just
getting totally left behind in the economy.
So, you know, it's kind of like when oil goes up, like the price of gas goes up.
People buy Teslas, right?
It's like the more there's inflation, this is like a giant advertisement for Bitcoin.
And there's no question, like it's not a fringe thing.
Like every single person I know has at least heard of and is aware of the concept of inflation.
And COVID, I think,
basically taught that to people. So we're not, we're not, yeah, we're not the, we're not as crazy sounding as we used to be, I think. And honestly, we have like COVID and a bunch of
money printing to thank for that. And it looks like it's just going to probably, like, I think
the Fed now is like, you know, saying we're just going to have sustained higher inflation for a
long time. So it's like, this is just how, this is the new future, I guess, at least for a long time.
Okay, very cool.
Leo, I'd like to address the elephant in the room.
So there's actual people that have seen you physically
as you've had lunch with them?
You're talking about Zach?
Yeah, that is correct.
This is correct.
He's talking about the story that you just told.
Oh, well, okay.
I have met Zach in person,
but I did not go to high school with Zach.
Yeah, obviously, Serge,
I am a real person, and I don't terminally live online.
I actually do have my life.
There's rumors going around that you're an AI agent.
He's an AI.
Exactly.
There's rumors going around that you're an AI.
I mean, Zach can confirm.
Zach has met me.
I am a human being.
So we can try.
I have seen Leo.
I've shaken his hand.
He's real.
But we should roll with the lore that Leo is an AI agent sent from the future to warn us about all of this.
Some people believe that.
Once he gets his eyeball scanned, he'll be able to share his WorldCoin ID with you guys.
Exactly.
Some people believe that Satoshi is AI from the future.
It's like a legitimate conspiracy theory that exists.
It's obviously very fringe,
but it kind of makes sense that if you were going to send someone back in time
to introduce the technology right before AI comes out,
blockchain would be a pretty decent one to do,
and they would probably execute it in the way Satoshi executed it.
But yeah, I don't know.
Obviously, that's probably not true.
Honestly, I'm starting to
feel like a time traveler myself um everything that's uh been happening recently is just kind
of like a fulfilling prophecy from stuff that we've uh experienced here so you guys are talking
about inflation and people started to understand it but there are those that have experienced it
so just for context of things
guys for those who don't know me I grew up in a city called Beirut and in a country called Lebanon
which experienced all the wars and all all the bad shit you could ever imagine happened to this
country and like in 2017 uh what the Lebanese economy experienced was like a microcosm of
what's the volcanic eruption that it's about to brew on the macro level like a global macro level and the entire currency just
plummeted a thousand x depreciated and people like just uh couldn't afford anything anymore
and people lost their over 300 billion dollars in depositors money uh in a conspiracy between
the political elite and the establishment and the central bank and all of that money just vanished overnight, gone, just gone.
That does not exist.
And that for me was kind of like, okay, Bitcoin is the true way.
It's the next step.
And what we're experiencing with ordinals as well, it was another prophecy from the future because my co-founder
who happens to be our chief curator as well Yara owns the gallery owned the gallery in Beirut and
she has held some of the finest art you can imagine like top stuff and all that was gone
in the Beirut explosion so I'm like all right you all right, you know, where do you store this?
Where do you store good art?
Where else but Bitcoin?
So like all these prophecies are slowly coming through.
And like I'm feeling like a time travel, same thing.
And the future is very clear in terms of where Bitcoin is going
and where Bitcoin culture assets are going.
And this is something I think we should be touching upon if possible
yeah now dude that that's crazy i mean uh hearing these types of stories is like
it's heart-wrenching and then at the same time it's like amazing that there is something
right there is there is an alternative um and i think that the new regulatory environment is just going to create so much more
progress than we've been able to make because you do have a lot of good people that don't want to
rug anyone else that want to leverage the technology for the things that it's really good at
and you know pre this administration the clarity just wasn't there. Gensler was the biggest enemy of crypto.
Progress was in this sort of gridlock to some degree. And it's kind of like open season for innovation and experimentation, whether it's on Bitcoin or anywhere else. And I mean, everyone
just talks about AI all day long, but really, storing is is a prereq to fucking anything right like storing
like gpu cost is is eventually going to be a function of the new financial system so as human
beings we've always stored two things right we store value and we store culture uh if you go
back to the prehistoric times they were like painting with blood or whatever
it was in the caves.
And all the way through the great library of Alexandria, which got burned down and all
that knowledge was gone.
Every piece of knowledge that we've lost also, you know, Bitcoin is now the only, the purest
form of true measure where we can actually preserve culture forever and ever.
That's such an important piece as well of Bitcoin.
And I think Bitcoin is still filling that part of its evolution in the prophecy.
Yes, Bitcoin will always be peer-to-peer cash, store of value.
That's all great.
But there's an evolution of Bitcoin that, you know, hats off to the OGs like Dan, 2011,
2012.
You know, they did their part.
They Bible thumped all the way.
Now there's a new generation of Bitcoiners that believe that there is a place for a store of culture kind of Bitcoin right now.
Yeah, it's really interesting because I've been in debates the recent couple of days about OpReturn and a lot of people that don't really understand the technical aspects but to kind of really appreciate what's being done here with ordinals
and ruins and being able to store information for over over over lifetimes over as long as
bitcoin is still around we'll be able to access a lot of that data that's still there and i wish
like a lot of the the older bitcoiners kind of realized like the importance of that and how that's
so so valuable um and the great thing is that it doesn't matter what they think because we're
still going to do it regardless. Facts. And on my side of things, like the data availability
in general is just about the biggest problem creatives have in social media today. It's like
you have all these followers on X or on Instagram or wherever,
and you have no idea who they are. And you don't have any means of, like, you can't,
none of that data is portable, none of it's composable, none of it's transparent. And like,
you created that data. You know, everyone here has a, has a social graph of all the people that
have, you know, your followers are people that thought you said something smart or are your friend or whatever.
And we don't control any of that, right?
And so I think that's like
one of the biggest reasons
why I got involved,
you know,
not just in the Bitcoin world,
but in the Ethereum world
is that this data availability,
this transparency is like
so necessary for the future.
And like with this song in particular,
like, look, I don't think Spotify's going down
anytime soon, but
in the event that any of these databases failed
or there was crazy lawsuits
or copyright issues or whatever,
copyright ain't
coming after my inscription.
You know what I mean?
Obviously, I wrote and produced this whole song
so there's no copyright issue, but in the event
there was, where somebody tried to, like who knows right like anything can happen
so it's so cool because you know anyone doing anything on bitcoin right now is going like
this is this is going to outlive everybody doing like every piece of art on bitcoin here is going
to be like like your song just to
be like there forever i mean as long as bitcoin's around but i think we're uh we're pretty bullish
on that um idea that that bitcoin will be around at least for the next hundred years but i mean
even if that's the case like you know our on-chain legacies are never going away like it's incredible
chain legacies are never going away like it's incredible
sofjan yo blau speaking of copyright can I make this song an official song of
Bitcoin summit in Hong Kong 1000% absolutely there's a there's there's no
no restrictions well can we play the song because i've been trying
to listen to it but i don't have the mobile doesn't work can we play the song because i've
been trying to hear it it's also on it's on spotify and it's on all the other places as of
this past friday it's it's it's super experimental like i so um i i used to go by
blau with a three ever since i was in college and then um i recently just changed my
name to my actual name because for many reasons and this is just this is actually the second song
that i just released as my real name instead of my like sort of stage name um and it was like
what a better time to do something like story on bitcoin because it's like a significant moment
in my creative career and um you know every new song I release from now on, not all like, I mean, if it's look,
I mean, it depends on how expensive it is, right?
Like if I start putting every single song on Bitcoin, it gets a little pricey.
But you know what?
Maybe it's not that pricey.
I mean, it's all relative, right?
But I think that it's such a great time to experiment and try new things
when it comes to tech and art both, because so much of the algorithm is just like slop.
And it's cool to have a bunch of people listen to a song because it's stored on Bitcoin,
and you may or may not like it, but it's better than whatever slop you're getting in your feed you know what i mean
it's like more meaningful um and and i think that humans are going to continuously look for ways to
sort of overcome the slop because i don't know about you guys but when i go through at least my
instagram feed and i don't really use tiktok at all but like i just feel like I'm getting dumber, you know, like, I don't know.
But like, I'm definitely of the belief that like,
as we enter this weird era of AI,
that it's going to just become less and less clear what's real.
Like I'm not even going to be able to trust when you go to Spotify that like
something hasn't changed.
Like you have no idea what kind of weird AI manipulation stuff can happen on the internet.
It's just a bunch of data at the end of the day.
I do like firmly believe like when I go listen to, you know, inscription 102,027,296, like
I know that nobody messed with that thing.
No weird AI came in and messed with that file or corrupted it or changed it in any way.
And I think there's definitely been lots of weird cases of like off-chain NFT collections over the years where just little,
little stuff changes. I remember, I believe it was with V1Punks I was involved with sort of the
V1Punks discovery kind of rejuvenation of that collection. And basically there was like a little issue where there's like very subtle
things in the CryptoPunks collection.
I think it was around like the transparency of like the smoke from a
cigarette, maybe, maybe it's something along those lines.
And, you know, we could have just moved full.
Like if you don't have like an on chain, like the hash was very good.
Honestly, the hash is very good, honestly.
The hash is what gives the provenance to CryptoPunks.
But if you don't have the on-chain record of some type of the existence of how something was,
I honestly don't care if it's the president putting a seal of approval on it or who's putting their seal of approval on it.
I don't trust it.
Like I'm not going to trust it unless it's timestamped into a blockchain.
I think any other possible solution is manipulatable by a human being.
So I think Satoshi even talked about, I can pull up the quote,
but he talked a little bit about this idea of like proof of like timestamping
and existence, that sort of thing.
I think Taylor's talked about it some in the past and there's value in that.
There's absolutely value in that.
Okay.
So let's check Bitcoin price.
So pulling up coin market cap here.
I'm yeah.
Okay.
We're hovering 123,415.
So like just hanging out.
I'd like to smash through it.
You know what I'm saying?
Like it would be nice to go to $124, $125.
We'll keep following this on the show.
I think Ethereum, you know, obviously we don't talk about Ethereum very much here, but for people who hold Ethereum.
Why don't we talk about Ethereum very much?
Are you all heaters? This is the Bitcoin all-time high ordinal show, Justin.
Like, half the people will lead if we start talking.
Hey, he still hasn't hit an all-time high yet, just saying.
This is true.
That is true i don't i yeah i mean
i'm i'm i'm no maxi of anything but i i always find it fascinating uh people people's chain
loyalties is always fascinating to me justin we have pretty strong channel loyalty i'm just
gonna be totally transparent we've got we're about 120 away from an inferior all-time high
though just for people tracking that i think it it is like, you know, let's be honest.
Those people here probably hold some ETH.
I still hold a little bit of ETH.
So we're close to an all-time high on ETH.
I think Solana has a ways to go, unfortunately, but just crossed $200.
And yeah, guys, we're in an actual bull run.
This is what the start of a bull run feels like.
We've been talking about this on the show for two and a half years.
I think a lot of people got very, very psyoped after FTX and all that stuff and kind of just
stopped believing.
And, you know, a lot of people here listening today, like, quite frankly, Dan, would you
say that, like, to me, I do not feel like this moment right here feels like it felt when you know bitcoin was like getting up to like 20k in 2017 or
something or 69k last cycle it just doesn't feel like that i think we're kind of at the early
innings here um that's just my personal belief i don't know how y'all feel about that but i just
don't i don't feel any sort of mania i don't feel people like super worried about needing to sell
the top in fact it's like the complete opposite we're kind of bored honestly which is the most bullish possible
scenario um but yeah it's interesting okay tuxedo we're gonna go over to you and then we're gonna
go to nox what's up man hey guys what an interesting show today uh usually the ordinal
show is...
We need more fitness. We need more fitness, right?
We're going to have you on segment a little later on in the show, Tuxedo. Don't worry.
Man, of course, of course. I couldn't miss that for the world, you know.
But by priority, some slightly more important things.
I believe that Bitcoin is going to go crazy 25th or no, on the 27th of August.
If the negotiations between Trump and Putin go well next week, if they indeed meet in Alaska as
it's planned, and if they agree to end the Russia-Ukrainian war, we will experience something very different
in the geopolitical space.
Also, there is another big factor.
We all know about it.
It's BTC Summit, but this time I'm not going to shill it
because I'm still mad with Jan from last time.
So no more shilling BTC summit.
I think at this point, everybody knows about it anyways.
And okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Guys, there's got to be a great summit in Hong Kong and you should all come.
But that's it.
So if we have some stability, there can never be like 100% stability.
Things in Middle East are going to be heated always, unfortunately.
But if those two big leaders, they meet and they decide on something positive,
then I'm seeing Bitcoin reaching 200K.
And this is something that subconsciously most of us know.
I was around when we hit 69K and it was ecstatic.
It was euphoric.
It was what everybody was talking about.
Right now, I think everybody kind of knows that this is meh.
It's okay.
They are happy.
Everybody's happy.
But yeah, 200K by 26th, 27th of August. Bookmark this.
Oh no, you can't. No, no. Better inscribe my words on Bitcoin because after what Justin did,
I have some crazy new ideas. So many things we can do, man. We can even like, you know how Trevor
does this amazing intro where he says all this great stuff about his co-hosts like King of BTC,
Leonidas. This can be also on Bitcoin because The Ordinal Show is a great show and after 300 years
people will want to have to use that intro if they want. We can inscribe Jan's evil laugh.
This can also be a case. But anyway, I'm very bullish.
I just came up actually because I saw that the discussion is interesting,
but the numbers of the show are low.
And yeah, since I came up, we have like 20 plus listeners.
You're welcome.
Are you trying to take...
I'm sorry, what?
Are you trying to take credit for the 20 listeners?
No, man.
I will wait for a more round number.
Let's hit 50 or 100.
I agree, guys.
Here's the deal.
I found with Twitter spaces, people really like drama and arguing and this sort of thing.
So if we come up with a clever space title, we could easily get 1,000 people in here.
All you have to do is ETH greater than
BTC and more people will show up
and everyone goes silent
everyone goes silent
or the flippening
should we start talking about the flippening again
is that a real thing these days again
alright I changed it.
I just flipped the sign around, but we'll give this a go.
So we can talk about, we can do our health segment.
I just had some protein powder verified by Brian Johnson.
Jan, this is the first time I've tried it.
It's the plant-based vanilla.
Do you like it?
Do you like it?
It was delicious.
It's, I think the plant-based vanilla you like it do you like it it was delicious it's i think hemp-based and yeah man it gets uh you know my only critique is it's like slightly sweet
um but it was very good it's like if you like sweet protein powder it's very good and i'll uh
i'll definitely be putting this in smoothies going forward. So appreciate the advice there.
Jan, what do you have for breakfast today?
Yeah, it's a good one, man.
Like, you know, I think you have one limitation
and, you know, I don't mean it in any bad way,
but, you know, you said you're a vegan, right?
And I don't think that there's many good
and well-tasting vegan proteins.
I have tried so many and I didn't like most of them. And
this is the only one that I actually like. So that's why I think it's okay. But yeah,
it may be a little bit sweeter. You're right. Yeah, I think they're trying to make it like,
I'll usually just put fruit for like the sweetness. i i'm traditionally using like a pea protein isolate but what's so uh
what's the what's the diet today on what are we what are we doing
i mean i i do the same thing every day i i basically do the same that you just described
i just had some protein uh but i mixed it right so i guys i can tell y'all's embarrassed talking
about this in front of dan and justin that's jan usually spills the beans for like 50 minutes we're all no i'm not embarrassed i'm not
embarrassed yeah it's okay to talk about it a lot of our listeners it's the same thing they're actually
the same thing for me bro it's the same thing for me just some protein uh you know can you guys not
get out of the difference beyond like oh i just had some protein if this
was like a normal show yeah he's thinking about his works back me up here guys he usually can't
wait to talk about his protein and his yogurt and whatever else tell us about the protein
yeah he's usually flexing on us yeah we get a lot we get lots of health advice from yon and we get
lots of bearish bitcoin prices and yon's been very silent today okay okay let me let me post the picture i think that's better
than me talking about it because you don't let me see them i will i will tweet about it
leo you remember how last time he said that he takes like half a pound of creatine per day and
he was so confident what happened today yeah yeah what did so yawn you how long have you been taking the 15 milligrams now no i um i don't do it daily but today i i i do like 10 grams per
day like uh in general so uh i don't do like 20 daily but i do only 20 just playing around with
it when i have less sleep so uh you know to be honest like yeah like yeah
i think the difference is that i i would normally want to have a nap if i let's say sleep less than
six hours a night and uh when i do the 20 grams of the creating i just don't have to do it so i
think it works i don't know if it's placebo effect or if it actually works, but I think you guys should try it out. A quick question, Jan, may I ask you, if you don't take one day,
let's say you don't take your 15 grams of creatine, do you take 30 the next day?
Do you use like a weekly average that you have to take?
No, I just take it every day, bro.
And one quick question to Zach.
And one quick question to Zach.
Zach, hi, man. What's up? Are you good?
Zach, hi, man.
What's up?
Are you good?
I wanted to confirm, is it true that Leonidas beats workers at Ordo.io?
I just had this for a long time as a question. I just saw you out.
Well, we're fully remote, so that would be quite difficult.
Did you say beats?
Zach lifts like three plates on bench without any stretch and any warm-up.
So I don't know if somebody could actually beat him up, by the way.
Zach is the most jacked.
Zach is the most jacked.
Guys, I got to run, but this was so much fun.
Leo, just before I jump, we're launching a new product
it's still very under the radar
but I'm trying to roll it out to just like
friends and people that I trust
if you want an invite code
to give it a try, just shoot me a tweet
my DMs aren't open so
if you're in the space and you want to give it a shot
this might be the first group that I send some invite codes
out to but would love feedback
and yeah and Leo tried it and thought it was really cool.
So figured I would, uh, extend it to some folks in here.
I'm actually a bigger, uh, user of the platform than Zach.
I noticed on the leaderboard, I was right above Zach on one of my bonds.
So Zach, you need to up your bonds.
I'm a bigger fan of New York.
New York is like, I love it, but for crypto, it's so like.
No, yeah.
And we, it's, that's why we're not rolling it out so fast.
The on-ramp is absolute garbage in general, but I did get, um,
arguably one of the biggest musicians of all time on there today.
Um, so I'm quite excited about it, but, um,
so Leo, you should go back and check and see see
see who that is but um if you guys want to invite codes i'll send out a couple just shoot me a tweet
and we're just looking for early feedback like it's very very early it's still in beta um but
sort of related to all the artistic and like anything art and crypto related um i'm really
excited about ideas that are you know know, part of the reason I
inscribed the song, like in a completely non-speculative way is just because I want to
store it and I want to do it for me. I think there's a lot of like creative crypto products
that can exist without speculation. And like, this is the time to build them because the regulation
is clear. And that's sort of what, what's been inspiring to me lately. So, so yeah, I'm going,
I got to jump, I i gotta hop on a call
that i'm 10 minutes late for but leo you're the man to all you folks in here who helped me do this
inscription um thank you couldn't have done it without you and cheers to the future of permanent
cultural storage a awesome appreciate you justin let's go all right yeah guys so basically if you didn't catch that it's like that was obviously pretty
cryptic um because it's not like he's he's doing like a private beta right now but if you want to
learn more uh like you said just tweet at him he'll he'll get you a code you can get in there
i'm not gonna share much more about it because it is private but uh go uh go, go tweet it, go tweet Justin. He'll,
he'll get you in there. Nox, you've been waiting extremely patiently, man. What's up? How you doing?
No worries, man. No, I, I was just interested on like what, I mean, on the topic of scarcity,
you know, I haven't heard anyone talk about like rare sats in a long time. And when I say rare
sats, I mean like provably scarce rare sets like the the single
number ones or the the palindromic like double satribute ones or something i i don't know i just
wanted to i was wondering what people's thoughts were on that in general i mean i obviously think
it's it's um this interesting concept and fun to play with in terms of like, you know, creating things, but you know, are
rare sats going to make a comeback?
It's a great question.
We, uh, this conversation will occasionally resurface on the show.
I think we've talked about it, I believe with query about two months ago.
Um, but yeah, so basically there is still an active group of people that are very heavily
mining sats.
So they're basically panning,
sifting for sats, whatever you want to call it. And yeah, like DZ, for example, we had on during
that conversation, not going to put exact numbers out there for people, but an astronomical amount
of Bitcoin is flowing through their operation. This is like very much still a pretty legit
situation. And the guys that are doing it have it down to a science
and they're just, you know, quietly.
I don't think they really even want it to blow up
because they just want to keep sifting and panning for these things.
So, yeah, basically, as far as like categories go,
you kind of touched on it.
It's like roll the clock back two years, people were focused on like, hey, you know, uncommon
stats, Casey said, like there's, you know, block nine stats and we were just figuring
it out.
Fast forward two years, there's a rare stat community and there's like so many niche
categories.
And like truly, if you're a collector, you can go in there and just have a field day
and probably never stop learning.
But I would say like, look, if you're really interested in rare stats, Query has a discord collector, you can go in there and just have a field day and probably never stop learning.
But I would say, like, look, if you're really interested in rare stats, Query has a Discord,
Const Query, and who obviously runs Magisat, which is a marketplace for trading rare stats.
Go connect with him. Like, that's kind of where that community lives, and that's where the hub is. So that's the best place to stay up to date, but yeah, there's still a market for it. There's still a floor for uncommons and rare stats and this sort
of thing. And people are, you know, mostly just holding right now, I would say Knox, there's not
like a super active market. There's not like crazy volume or anything like this. And my sort of,
it's the same thing I left this conversation off with two months ago was that my sort of end belief
here is that some of these categories need to become fungible in the sense that most
people will probably, as an asset class, most people will probably have a better experience
with the asset class just thinking of uncommons as uncommon stats or 2009 uncommons, whatever it
is. And I think if you just pick one category, I think uncommon stats is probably the most logical,
but I could be convinced block nine or other categories could be interesting. But uncommon
stats, the first stat from each block, you could basically, you could have a listing on Binance
of uncommon stats. There's no reason why
it's just a Bitcoin. It's a Satoshi. It's Bitcoin. So you can imagine depositing uncommon stats into
Binance and then you can, you know, trade it like a token. It's like, okay, they're 50 bucks,
they're 70 bucks, and you could buy a fraction of them. So it would be like frictionless,
effortless trading. It would look exactly the same as every other token on Binance.
I think trading in that fungible manner is not how the super hardcore people will do
But I think as like a base floor for the asset class that brings a lot of people in, I think
the fungible aspect is sort of needed.
And I think that experience of fungible collecting the top rare sat categories, the top sat
tribute categories are kind of the path forward for the
asset class. So that's kind of the direction I encourage people to move in. And yeah, then I
think that bringing a lot of people into the asset class that allows people to dip their toes in.
I think people, you know, most people will just hold a rare sat in a centralized exchange or
something like this. But I think a percentage of those people will go down the rabbit hole and will
then end up getting interested in, you know,
getting into some of the, you know,
palindromic categories that are like very rare. For example, there's also,
there's all sorts of numerical patterns that people collect, right?
So that is, that's pretty much the latest and greatest.
It's, it's,
it's pretty much the latest and greatest. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
it's,
it's, it's, it's, it's,
it's,
it's,
it's,
we need,
we need essentially a Leonidas for rare sats.
That's tweeting at Binance to list them.
Is what you're saying?
I mean,
look,
man,
it's like,
you don't even have to start with Binance.
Like you can just do it for like,
literally to me,
like the crack in any,
any exchange.
You have to have them build the integration.
It's the same thing that
runes or brc20 or alkanes or any of these standards go through it's what spl and erc20
went through you basically have to get some exchange to start i would start with like a
tier two or three exchange and have them uh make it tradable for the first time in a really easy
way and all they have to do is basically build an integration, like agree and want to do
it and see the opportunity.
But then, you know, build the integration from the engineering side, do a bit of diligence
on the engineering side, and then do some legal diligence.
And then they can just open deposits and withdrawals and list it.
It just fits into their tech stack like any other token.
They can all vertically just keep adding assets to centralized exchanges.
So as long as you build the infrastructure for withdrawals and deposits, you're good to go.
So that's the path forward.
Like if somebody's going to spend time doing this, like go figure out a way to get, you know, a tier two or tier three exchange to list uncommon stats.
I think that's like the first step to do there.
But yeah, you can also tweet one Binance.
It never hurts.
I can't do the essays like you do,
but it's, hey, you know, it's worked with Kraken, so.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, Kraken,
just for people who haven't't been paying attention kraken just
opened deposits for pups so pups was their fourth room that they have it looks like they're listing
today i'm not sure when the actual spot trading goes live but deposits are open so kraken is like
full-on having a bromance with like the runes space so uh yeah what's up with the with that
whole meme thing that on on kraken i've just been seeing some
posts on twitter right now sorry what what thing search uh magic internet money there's like you're
talking about the thing where like the image was incorrect initially or what are you talking about
yeah like there's some kind of like people are asking origin like why does the chart look like that oh why why mem is
down in the past couple days no the chart is specifically on cracking i guess it's the
post listing effect um i mean look the bottom line is like you know i think mem is down from
like 100 million to 65 million like there was a lot of i think build up and hype around
one that you on tweet right obviously that's like a pretty big moment
and then uh you know excitement around a tier one listing and you got to remember like mem was like
20 million dollar market cap two months ago right so uh it's like 3x that still and look these are
meme coins are super volatile but i'd have to let me let me look at the Kraken chart. I'm not fully sure I understand what you're asking.
I had a nice chat with Scott today, by the way,
on building RadFi.
I think he's on to something.
Scott?
Yeah, he's pretty good.
Oh, yeah.
Scott's legit, man.
Yeah, man, I've been super fired up,
excited for this product for a while.
He's got a lot of market share to capture with the with the whole loading thing too so yeah i mean look he's building
a really unique product i've obviously zach and i have thought about a lot of the similar problems
that he has as well and you know he came to me like six months ago kind of sharing what he was
up to and i was really really interested in a few of the things he was doing. We obviously had that interview on the Ordinal show two weeks ago, the night before Radfly
launched so that we could kind of share with everyone.
And he broke, he just basically revealed and broke the news on our show.
So we were like super pumped to be able to share that with everyone.
But yeah, I think like they've been working through some technical difficulties and stuff,
right?
And there was like some slowness in their platform, but they've, I think, sped it up.
It's like moving much better. And I'm excited for that. I think the model makes a lot of sense for
a lot of reasons. And I'm definitely rooting for those guys. And, you know, I'm not officially
advising or like investor or anything like this, but I think it's important for runes as an asset
class. I've said this many times on the show, we need to be a healthy ecosystem, a healthy standard.
And what that looks like is you have, you know, utility tokens and non-utility tokens like meme coins.
You have low market cap new coins being created, quote unquote trenches, and you have big flagship, you know, exciting, you know, the face of ruins kind of tokens as well in the billions of dollars.
And right now, I think we mostly have
a few cult communities that have almost ossified
around the best tokens.
And that's great.
That's very awesome.
But we now need to expand.
We need more utility tokens.
We need some runners.
I think Scott represents a future that, you know,
makes a healthier runes protocol. And like, to be completely honest here, like, you know,
a lot of my reputation is tied up in the success of runes. Like I'm very much, you know, I'm a fan
of the protocol. You know, I've made a lot of friends who have, you know, been very, very
deeply involved with runes, building, collecting, investing.
But like ultimately, it's not just like for dog, right?
It's like dog, quite frankly, like we can migrate to some other standard.
It would not be like really it would be totally fine.
Like the future of dog is not necessarily tied to runes.
And I think even runes itself as a standard is not finalized in any sort of way.
As Bitcoin evolves, if we get upgrades in the future, you can just upgrade the runes protocol,
right? It's like many, most protocols actually continue upgrading, right? So I'm just very
excited to see, like, it's almost like, it's like just like a mission. It's like, let's make Bitcoin
tokens a thing, right? Like way too many people
have been writing that off for too long. And I just see runes as the most tangible path forward
for Bitcoin tokens happening. And I think it's like a fun game to play. Like there's basically
a new, you know, token standard and meta protocol coming out every couple of weeks. It's been like
this for a long time. And there's definitely a fun game of like the kind of trader types. And there's like some influencers who like to basically
go, you know, tweet about those, follow them for a few weeks, and then just move to the next one.
And like, I think that's important because it kind of gives it that spark so that we get to
find out if there is something really deep and exciting there. But I've just thought about this
a lot. And runes are the most native, like very simple standard. And they're basically just the closest thing we have to BTC on the Bitcoin blockchain. And I don't think we need to go too crazy here. We just have to follow the path that BTC took, which means make it easier and build out infrastructure and user experience. And we've been making a ton of progress there. So the one area we were falling short was on the kind of creation launch pad
side.
We were,
I think can be honest,
we were doing very badly there with runes and I think RadFi,
you know,
it's early,
but I think there's an opportunity there to really pick up the slack and make
runes a more well-rounded protocol long-term.
So excited for that.
Vincent, what's up, dude?
Yeah, I just wanted to chime in on the whole runes aspect,
especially with Mim.
When Mim was launched for spot trading on Kraken on August 8th,
I wouldn't be surprised if that chart looked like it was going down
because obviously people have an arbitrage where they
like buy it off of magic eat and try to sell it off of uh off of kraken that's completely normal
but you know when i think about the original meme before doge and it's a rune these dips
especially given the fact that it's such a low market cap i think it was like around 64 69
million last time i checked is an amazing like amazing time to actually have exposure. And I wouldn't be surprised if
many traders thought they would do the exact same thing for Pups or Billy or even Gizmo coming up.
I mean, in all honesty, it doesn't matter with these dips when they're listed on Kraken. It's
really like all these runes are, in my personal perspective, undervalued.
And what's really amazing is that even though we have different meta protocols
coming out, trying to test out different, I guess, fungible tokens
or just different ways of lending or borrowing
or just anything revolving around token performance on Bitcoin L1,
it's interesting, but I find the Ruins Protocol community fascinating.
And I haven't seen this on Solana or Ethereum during the early days, even until today, where
it feels less of a PVP and more of a community base.
So I get really excited when I see Mim, Soon Pups, and Billy, and Gizmo. Like, I want them to win. And Dog was just
the gateway for it, but we can't, Dog, I don't feel could have gotten here unless we didn't have
the support from the Runes community. So it's only right for us to put at least some spotlight onto
them as well. And we want them to be successful. So whatever you see, you know, after, I can't
believe it's amazing. Like, we have a Kraken listing for Runes. So whatever you see, you know, after, I can't believe it's amazing.
Like we have a crack in listing for runes.
It's amazing.
No one really like stops to think about that.
But, you know, just a few months ago, nobody thought this would ever happen.
But now it's here.
And now people are thinking about the next new achievement and also problem, which is what's the next tier one?
When are we going to go to over a billion dollars for every single rune out there?
These are great problems, and we will get there.
And considering that Bitcoin's hitting a new all-time high, Ethereum is starting to receive its dominance,
you're seeing altcoin season possibly begin very soon, considering that we have a rate cut coming up pretty soon, September 17th.
That's a very exciting time.
Maybe the market's priced it, maybe not.
But nonetheless, I think the market's really fun. So I think the time right now is to
have some exposure to these runes at these low market caps, either on Magic Eat or on Crack.
And it just doesn't make sense for the whole rune ecosystem to be less than 0.02% of Bitcoin's
market cap, while only one token on Ethereum and Solana, the biggest largest market
cap is like 2% and higher. So yeah, this is the time to be looking into those assets.
Yeah, I mean, it's very reasonable to say that 1% of the value stored on the Bitcoin network
should be tokens other than BTC. I think that's, if you're betting against that long term, I think
that's a very poor bet to take. And you know And how we get there exactly when that happens, obviously, these are unknowns.
But we should be pushing for that.
I think we're selling ourselves really short to not even be pushing for 1%.
Other blockchains like Ethereum, it's like 50%, right?
So yeah, totally couldn't have said it better, Vincent.
I am looking at Kraken now.
And I assume what you're talking about is like on the first day, there's a huge red candle surge.
And my thought is that this is pretty normal on centralized exchange listings.
Basically, it finds price.
So you have a crazy wick at the start.
When Dog came to Solana, we had a crazy wick like that.
But it's basically – it was like for the first 10 minutes
so it makes the daily candle look insane but after the first day kraken price seems to be
at parity with every other meme exchange so yeah i'm 100 good on my membro um first meme ever on
in crypto the i minted wizard so i never sold myards i'm good um it doesn't make it doesn't
matter to me dude i'm still mad i uh i uh i was using this wallet called albie and it like totally
sucked and i was trying to do like lightning network i was gonna mint a bunch of wizards
because it was like pretty obvious like okay maven's bought you know it was one of my big
misses in the space it was like it was too hard to mint.
I was like, they're ready to mint on time.
And like the Albi wallet and like Coinbase wasn't like working with Albi.
I didn't have my act together, basically.
Like I'm ready to plow 10 Bitcoin into Yuga's Mint, but, you know, failed to, failed to,
failed to, you know, put any Bitcoin. Dude, I'm i'm not look i'm not saying it's not on
yon bro it's on yon for not i i actually i'll look i'll second that yon what the hell man why didn't
why wasn't there expert support on that man dude guys you know experts printed so much gen wealth and you're still unhappy because there was one thing that wasn't supported, you know?
Guys, come on, man. How can we ever make it when we're not grateful at all?
Throw up some thumbs down if you're upset at the Xverse company for not supporting that launch and not making me generational wealth like that on that, man.
I agree. That was really unfortunate that Jan screwed us all over
like that. $124,000 Bitcoin just got hit for the first time, by the way. I'm looking at $124,016
is the highest the Bitcoin price has ever been in human history. So we're moving up. We're moving
up $120,000. I mean, if you look at the day, it's just a beautiful trend line. So we started off the day at 120,000.
We dipped down to 119,000, actually into the 118,000s.
And man, we've just been on a little nice exponential ramp for the past, what, 16 hours here.
And now at an all-time high of $124,000 and $82.
So things are looking very good.
I want to remind everyone that.
Let's go.
I want to remind everyone because a lot of people price their runes, price their ordinals inscriptions in Satoshi's and Bitcoin.
You know, okay, you might be upset like, oh, my ordinals collection was down 1% today.
Incorrect.
Actually, you made money today.
So I just want to call that out for everyone.
Okay.
I just want to say one thing, Leo.
I want to say one thing.
You know, people have been telling me for the past month that,
oh my God, going to Hong Kong is so expensive.
I don't have it.
Guys, if you just bought Bitcoin two months ago,
like you would have your trip paid for like three times, you know, and you
didn't even have to buy a lot of it.
How much Bitcoin, Jan?
How much Bitcoin would you have to buy?
Like a thousand, two thousand dollars.
And, you know, your your your trip.
Well, maybe maybe a little bit more.
OK, five thousand.
And and your trip would be paid for, you know, just with the gains in the past two months.
So that's what I'm saying, guys.
You know, like.
I can add to that before I say what I initially want to say, that if you had bought Dog instead
of Bitcoin three months ago, you would have gone to.
See, that's even better, actually.
Yeah, that's even better because Dog was like what?
Like Dog was like a hundred mil val or something like that.
And now it's like 350.
So that's basically 3x.
So, you know, if you just bought 500 bucks worth of dog three months ago, you would have entire trip to Hong Kong paid for for free, you know?
And I'm not even talking about the giveaways that we're going to do at Bitcoin Summit summit because we're gonna do around 10k plus of giveaways which means that some lucky people that are gonna come are just gonna get
extra stuff and then we have the hackathon with middle taxido is gonna be giving away thousands
of dollars to people just to come and build some cool shit on Bitcoin. And so it's coming from Tuxedo's pocket.
So, you know, I'm very happy, you know, about that.
You know, he's a true supporter.
I am a true supporter, man.
But I'm just a small gear in this big machine, you know.
I would love to give actually I will you know what
come to Hong Kong and I will give how many thousands you want to give out thousands and
thousands of dollars uh you can obviously access those with your experts wallet if you don't have
one because they are going to be on testnet but anyways what I want to say about runes um this is my second account uh on x
my when when i started my journey on bitcoin ecosystem i decided to terminate my first one
which i had for years but i was never an influencer so it's not my kind of thing i just like to post
memes from time to time but i shut the other one down because for the last year of it,
I was just cursing Solana every day.
So I decided there is no point in doing that anymore.
I just shut it down.
What I want to say to people that have a strong public voice,
that they have a good follower base is please reach out to these ecosystems,
to Ethereum, Solana, and whatnot.
Try to get people engaged.
It's way easier for you.
If you already are a respectable person in the industry,
and a good metric for that is your Twitter account, like it or not,
it's okay to debate them, but let's not take it too far.
Let's not get them to hate us rather than let's get them to understand our points.
Educate them.
So, yeah, I urge every big account that is listening right now to this show to do that
for the sake, not just of runes, obviously, we all know that, but ordinals all asset classes on Bitcoin and Bitcoin's ecosystem in general.
Awesome. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. We have to always put them in their place when we talk
to them on other spaces and make sure they know who the daddy chain is. Okay, so guys,
I am so excited. And, you know, I don't say this enough on the show.
I am so excited for Bitcoin to go up 19% this cycle and get a 19% return based on the prediction that I heard from one of the co-hosts of the show.
It's a very exciting future.
It's a very exciting future.
Leo, this is getting really tiring, you know.
This is getting really tiring.
It's not funny anymore.
Nobody said anything about this cycle. I said this year. getting really tiring you know this is getting really tiring it's not funny anymore nobody said
anything about this cycle i said this year so if you guys can make sure that this cycle lasts a
little bit longer than like three more months it would be really really appreciated leo okay
jan just messaged me he said he doesn't like when i say that kind of thing when dan's listening um
just messaged me he said he doesn't like when i say that kind of thing when dan's listening um
okay so uh i'm actually look i'm excited i'm excited for us to hit 150k and i think jan
probably will be pretty excited as well um it's it's uh it's not a bad it's not a bad place to
be in with bitcoin going up um it just matters when right like you know i mean let's be honest
like of course bitcoin is going higher than that like you know I it's there's no doubt in my mind that you know we're gonna go much much much higher
like I really want uh Bitcoin if we can by the end of the year if we can be at 300k which you
mentioned you know like like that would be awesome of course but it's just a matter of time like you
know I don't know like there's a lot of things in play. I think Tuxedo mentioned the geopolitical stuff.
I think that's important, right?
I'm not sure.
I'm not paying attention too much, you know, to the rates cuts, right?
I think that's kind of on the verge as well, based on some of the tweets that I'm seeing.
So, you know, if all of these things come in place, like, in the next month or so, then, of course, we're going to skyrocket like crazy.
But it's just a matter of time man like you know i i um like what like when you say this cycle like what do you mean this cycle like do you mean like next 12 months do you
mean like next two years because like to me like that's the unknown right trevor i feel like we
need to go find the clips we got to find the clips when Bitcoin nuked
like 65K in January
so that I can
replay them.
But...
Find the clips, Leo. I encourage you to find the clips.
I will. No, I'm going to go do it.
If you find a clip where I say that
the Bitcoin is going to top
this cycle
at 150K, then I will open my eyes.
I love that you're trying to wiggle around
the link to the cycle.
I mean, weird battle to pick
because we do make up a lot of shit about Jan
that's totally made up,
but this is not one of the things that we made up.
I didn't just come up with this random 150k number.
For people who don't know,
we actually had a space in January
where we made our predictions for the cycle.
And Jan's prediction for Bitcoin was 150k
and that's totally okay.
Okay, I will find the clip, man.
150k is exciting.
Do you remember when it was the show?
Like I will, literally, I will go find it.
It was one of the shows right around the time
Bitcoin was like nuking.
So if you like track it.
Yeah, but do you remember at least, like, which month, you know, or something?
Because otherwise it's impossible to find.
January or February.
It was January or February, certainly.
It was March.
You should have really numbered the shows.
Honestly, there's too many shows to number.
Yeah, it's too many shows.
Although, Cynthia, you guys are on, like, 335 or something, right?
336 tonight, I believe.
Yeah, in a row, every single night
without skipping a single day or night.
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
That's a huge come up.
When I get some free time...
Remember when your space has had eight people up in there.
Huge come up.
Mr. E, I know he's been at...
He's had a long day at the office today.
Cynthia, I think you just rocked on us
He did hey, I was gonna say well before she comes back
Who remembers who was the plumber who was wearing the clay?
The bourbon clay pfp and he was up here telling us all that bitcoin was going to like uh 30k or
something not long ago i think it was sitting around 80k at that point can anyone remember
who that was i need to block that account who that was though yeah i unfortunately don't remember
mac dude you uh i swear to god i thought when i heard your that voice like i was i thought it was rock toshi on stage man um but uh yeah i feel like that's also like i don't think it's racist but it's like
yeah you just have an australian accent so um yeah you definitely are not rock toshi man i
apologize for that but i literally did think like how the hell did Rak Toshi just get on stage right now nah I'm definitely
not Rak Toshi I
have Frogs he has Rocks
we're very different but we were both early
so there's that
but just dropping in Emlo
what's Emlo doing up here
what's been going on dude
I've seen you around
on the
art spaces
seeing you feels like I'm I today you know no big deal
no I mean I've been inscribing a collection of art over two and a half years and I planned this
collection before all-time highs but I decided to go with gamma and release it finally because
I felt like it's finally time to actually
get it out into the world and for me like this has been really important to getting my art
inscribed onto the permanent public digital ledger that is the mother chain of bitcoin
and i did it very methodically over years not over span a span of minutes or seconds. And I did it block by block, and it's been really nice to see the reception.
I think it already has over 100% subscription on the signals from Gamma,
which is nice to see.
And it's just been really nice to see the responses from everyone
and everyone loving the art.
So I really appreciate that.
Let's go.
Did you like how I knew exactly why you're up here,
but I asked so you could do that?
I love it.
Everyone go follow Emlo.
Finders work.
Support Gamma.
Support Artists.
My job here's done.
You can send me the five Bitcoin.
Thanks.
Yeah, I really like Signals, honestly.
I just launched mine with them too.
It's really cool.
I really like their concept of, you know,
trying to find the price of
uh like what like the white list is instead of like this i don't know i like that they're kind
of like redefining what that is so i think it's a great way to like kind of see what the market
actually thinks of your collection um and i saw yours too emlo it's really cool it's a really cool collection oh yeah all-time high it's time
to drop out man like it all these chains are popping off ethereum is ethereum is doing some
crazy shit i actually didn't expect to pump this hard it's it's gone sort of well over what i was
expecting and um it's just making it so bullish for bitcoin and art on bitcoin like i feel like it's
all going to rotate at some point no one knows when but man the market is crazy bullish everyone
want everyone's thropping for new art like it's all about to go down i feel um i can't wait bitcoin
sort of looking like it's undervalued at this point in my personal opinion but i'm a bitcoin
bull so we'll see but if you're doing art if you've got art
aside like you know get it ready because uh the mother chain's about to get hot i think
could not agree more could not agree more i know there's a question that a lot of people have been
asking there was a rumor started by cynthia the other day that there were two Yons that worked at X-verse.
I wanted to confront Yon about this on our show publicly instead of doing
it privately.
Is this true, Yon, that there's two Yons?
No, it's fake news.
They talked about it for like 10 minutes.
It was Yon.
It was Yon.
And he was wonderful.
You know, we spoke.
We had a conversation. I drew art for him. Yon conversation i drew art for him guys those are two different names come on man
wait wait there is another jan there really is no wait wait that wasn't it i literally thought
they were doing no it wasn't a joke at least. Mr. E and I both follow him and he follows us here on Twitter.
He's a real guy.
He was,
he took Jan,
you know,
this Jan's place,
our Jan's place
there at the experts booth
when this Jan wasn't there.
I was like,
oh, you're another Jan.
Well, you know,
kind of like a constellation.
But his name is Jan Lu, guys.
It's not Jan.
Can you stop spreading rumors like that?
It's not that his name is Jan Lu. No, it's not Jan. Can you stop spreading rumors like that? It's not that his name is Jan.
No, it's the first name together.
You need to do J-A-N-L-O.
That's the name.
Come on, man.
Are you sure that's not his middle name, the low part?
I mean, experts hired initially our Jan,
and then they were kind of disappointed,
which, okay, to some people it's reasonable.
They needed a second Jan in case this Jan didn't, you know, produce the results.
Fortunately for our Jan, he did, but they liked the second guy,
and now he acts like a stunt double.
So for all the extreme situations that Jan is too much of a chicken to participate, they send the hardcore Jan.
Simple as that.
Yeah, the skinnier Jan.
It's the skinnier Jan.
I'm applying for a job at Middle, and let's see if they're going to be disappointed when I replace you, okay?
Jan, your muscles, I'm going to tell you right now, your muscles are working against you. And if you're looking for a hardworking degenerate
who lives within the space,
that person should be extremely pasty.
He shouldn't have seen any sun whatsoever.
He should literally have the pansiest hands in history.
Like his hands should be like silk
because he only touches keyboards.
Why are you describing yourself, Matt?
Like, what is this?
You're just trying to like ride your own.
I am doing this and you should never touch the gym guys.
You want the string beanest arms you've ever seen because I know that if Yarn is out pumping
iron like he does for three hours to get that jack, that's three hours that he should have
been locked in a dungeon inside.
So I personally, as the new CEO of Xverse and and making a push for yarn to stop
gymming he needs to get skinnier uh strictly lock himself in a dark room close the curtains
no curtains no yeah yeah this is why this is why i don't trust his price predictions on bitcoin mac
it's like there's no way i would ever trust a dude who's like posting pictures like that on Bitcoin price. You know, let's let's address the elephant in the room
You keep laughing at my price targets of Bitcoin for this year
But you realize the reason I keep doing it is cuz you get mad, right?
Like that's no, I know but like
You can just own that you said 150 K and then this would
No, I'm already but every time i say it you like give them breathe i'm asking what what was the what was it was it like was that the top prediction or what was the story
there because i did hear a lot of predictions like that but mind you billion dollar cat was at
one five eight sets at that point we have talked about my Bitcoin prediction a lot.
But, you know, what Leo is avoiding.
Mac asked a great question.
Yeah, Leo is avoiding the confrontation.
Okay, I see.
Bro, you have so much more tweeting to do because.
Yeah, I just asked Chabiji how to deal with this situation.
And it's
going to go on the is going to be three billion by the end of the year he said and you laughed at
me and you said it's going to be much higher go after him i think you guys are really discounting
the fact that he goes to the gym because now he doesn't need to hire security for bitcoin asia
and he can save money and buy more bitcoin so i I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about.
This is like he's saving here by being so fucking jacked.
Yeah, it's business funnel.
That's right.
I see what you're doing here now.
No, no.
This is what Jan's doing, not me, dude.
Guys, I don't know if you noticed, but I am tweeting my dinners lately.
And I'm eating dinners for like between $4 to $6.
And everything else that I would be spending if I was eating
them in the US time I'm putting into Bitcoin it's really that simple yes so
you've hired bongo as your new socials advisor he's instructed you to start
tweeting dinner you're rapidly losing followers this is I mean push up so I
mean that's I mean it's like a little bit of both i think we've round tripped back to original instagram when people are just posting
pictures of their dinners and their meals yeah this is crazy tech this is this is generational
tech you don't get it this is 4d chess okay i am trying to show you guys how exciting Asia can be how much money you can save and how much more wealthy you can become if you come to Asia and then actually put everything that is left over into Bitcoin guys like, you know, I'm literally giving you Bitcoin wealth playbook.
I feel like y'all needs to lean into this price prediction the way clemente does
you know like do like a dance you could you you could start like a stream like called should i
start dancing yes you could start dancing yep exactly okay okay i will i will i will create
some choreography and i will do some celebratory bitcoin all-time high dance. Casey, I hear, is good at that.
You could ask him for advice.
I just got an anonymous DM that says,
can Jan be my personal guide in Hong Kong
to show me around and show me all the exciting stuff?
You can say it was me, Tuxedo.
Don't worry, you can out me there.
You are one of the females, Cynthia.
I'm referring to a man, actually.
But I thought it was anonymous.
Well, it's an anonymous one.
That's basically everyone in the space, though.
Everyone's a man in the space.
I feel like it's weird when you say the word female.
It's like we don't call each other the males.
We have several males on stage right now.
Yeah, woman is better, guys.
For everyone, pro tip, just call us women, not females.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to offend you.
I actually like it.
No, you didn't.
You're good.
You're good.
Don't worry, Tuxedo.
We're friends.
You're all good.
I love all female women.
I love them.
I'm going to call you female from now on every time I see you anywhere.
I love male men, guys. I love male men guys.
I love male men in the space.
Some of the guys are great.
And just say femme.
I was actually telling Cynthia this on the show,
the mystery zone the other night.
I looked,
Twitter has this new analytics tool and you can see the demographic of your
following.
And I'm like 94.8% male.
And then like 5%. Oh, you're doing better than me i'm 95 yeah there you go yeah it's i'm
trevor yan i'm curious what you guys are as well but it's it was uh it was it was interesting i
always assumed like 2080 you know it's like i definitely knew there were more guys following
me that's totally fine crypto excuse you know what the sausage yeah it's in the 90s always
yeah that's pretty crazy i honestly i genuinely did not realize it was that's a plus i mean i
think i think different i think social media platforms too skew like differently for ages
and genders obviously right so like youtube will get a slants male and a certain age demographic
twitter definitely probably slants more right-leaning as well, politically speaking,
which is awesome for me, I guess.
And then, you know,
probably male as well.
I'm at 98%.
Cynthia, you are the only person.
That is not true.
You actually just shocked
that it was 98% tuxedo?
One in 50 of your followers is a woman?
Yeah, I'm on Twitter analytics right now.
And you're not joking.
You're dead serious.
I'm not like 1,000.
And most of them are from Brazil, actually, my followers.
You have to assume some of the women on here are actually men hiding as women.
That's very true, actually.
So many.
It's a trend.
Many, many men are posting as women, and it's getting out of...
This is why I'm so suspicious of Cynthia, though.
Like, is that really a voice changer?
Like, what's going on here?
We haven't even seen any pictures of Cynthia ever.
Excuse me.
I'm fully doxed in several...
How do I know that's...
People have met her. Yeah, but how do I know that people have met her?
How do we know that's her?
Those boobs look fake.
Okay.
So in
Vo did
kind of like a
ZachXVT period where she was
exposing all of these fake
accounts. And it's actually a legit
problem. There are these network
accounts of fake women on x promoting crypto it's like honestly super weird
um yeah i don't know like i think it's like our industry at like look i'll be just straight up
honest when i saw that 95 mark i usually don't pay attention too much and stuff like this like
that was uh kind of eye-opening we definitely uh yeah we have we have an issue here guys you you didn't realize this is a sausage fest
i knew it was a lot of guys like don't get me wrong i was like totally aware there's a lot of
guys i did not realize it was like one in 20 situation though that's why i do think like the
art the ordinals the ruins like all this stuff kind of helps a lot.
Because I think when you're just talking about Bitcoin, it's super hard to get any girl kind of interested.
But if you show them a cute puppy, they get a little more interested.
What do you think Luke Dash Jr.'s distribution is, J-Dog?
Do you think Luke Dash Jr. is in the decimal places?
It's mostly females, actually.
It's the opposite direction.
Could you imagine?
Could you imagine?
All cat eaters.
Oh, my Lord.
So what do you expect?
The other night, Leo and Mr. E were discussing about how they beat up people.
Like anybody going into that show, it was a discussion meant for dudes.
That's why I asked before
if it's true that Leo beats people up
that work at Forda.io.
Because he said so.
I feel like you're manifesting this tuxedo.
Do you have a secret want for Leo to beat you up?
Is that what you're really looking for here?
Karate combat is a thing.
Karate combat is...
We've been trying to get yonder like dude
tell me like yon could knock a guy out like i could he's yon you could punch a punching bag
very hard am i wrong leo you should just get like a crypto skull like sumo wrestling mask and like
you could go in there like representing a dog like hell yeah man what the fuck
tuxedo i'll beat you up for .02.
Hit me up in the DMs.
I'm sorry.
Come again?
I said if you'd like, I'll beat you up for .02.
Just hit me up in the DMs.
.02 Solana?
No, Bitcoin.
Bitcoin.
We're in a Bitcoin space here.
I don't know if you noticed.
That's a bit expensive.
I mean, how hard... Not really. I i mean you're a whale she's she's she's an expert she's an expert like she really knows and that's who you're paying for expertise
uh time i've been here in the space every single day since the very beginning of 2021
um and i've been minting you know since 2021 so i been around. I think it's worth the time, the value
and I'll do a good job.
Just ask 92.
It seems like you have thought this thing through.
I feel like this is not the first time
you provide this service.
No, that's the point, dude.
She's an expert.
She's really good at it.
Thank you, Noah.
We do need a karate combat between a bitcoin influencer and a salon influencer
though like we we definitely need to figure out a way to make i don't know who it is exactly the
situation i think bongo's the candidate um i'd pay to see udi versus trevor
i mean look we don't we don't want it's not like me fighting Rak Toshi or these internal beefs are a net positive for the space.
I feel like it's just like...
Yeah, a lot of us pay attention,
but did you guys notice when these...
Like when Ansem fights BitBoy,
literally everyone pays attention to it, right?
So we got to do like...
It's got to be some sort of cross-chain dynamic.
It's got to be.
Bongo and Clemente.
That would be good.
Bongo would suck at Clemente.
Clemente's kind of strong.
It was going to be Bongo versus Dancing Eddie,
but Dancing Eddie wouldn't do it.
I don't know.
Dancing Eddie are probably around the same.
We're around the same size,
and that's not an insult or anything
I'm just saying
So maybe there's like a
We should get another Solana chick
And have Cynthia fighter
Oh man, that would be good
That would bring in a big crowd
Maybe Jan vs Ansem
I think they're about the same height
Jan, I bet you could take him
I'll put that girl in her rear naked
I don't know Do you have a beef that you want to settle?
Is there a beef that you have?
Solana chicks are all on stimulants and they're
doing crazy fucked up shit. You better watch out.
I don't know.
I don't know. It's got to be a
naturally... You don't want to force it. It's got to be naturally
there, right?
I could see Jan Clemente. I could see Jan Clemente clemente that fits i'm not sure clemente and bongo fits
dude clemente would get his ass whooped maybe we do jdark vs uh curo
oh that'd be good i don't i never even i don't even know what he looks like so
that'd be interesting a lot of these people are tough on line, and yeah, I mean, I'd be down. I'm not against it.
You know what I want? Craig Wright versus Vitalik. That's a fight I would pay to watch.
Vitalik would club him down, dude.
That would be the most short-lived fight ever, man.
I think, like, I don't know.
Like, yeah, I think the biggest karate combat ever was the BitBoy versus Ansem.
And, you know, we'd want to, like, be shooting to top that.
So, I don't know.
Think on it.
You can participate as well, Leo. You know, you can wear a mask. It's fine. You don't have think on it you can participate as well leo you know uh you can wear a mask it's
fine you don't have to be doxxed so let's set up leo against someone dude i bet that i bet the dog
community would fund it too they say like like dog crypto skull mask for leo like how are we gonna
fund this how are we gonna get guys that's the beauty of it fighting people doesn't cost anything
you just like get in the ring and beat up somebody.
Right.
So give your sumo costume.
Well, I mean, that's not that expensive.
Like, I mean, you got to pay for this phase, get some promotion going, have some lights.
Yeah, but no, no.
Karate combat.
They have the infrastructure.
I think they literally just want people to fight and it's free.
I'm pretty sure.
So like that's the money is not an issue.
Oh, you mean literally like karate combat is like they're already doing this literally karate combat shows up to like the crypto
conferences and has an event one night and influencers get to beat each other up like it's
it's already a thing we can seriously get somebody on it like like this isn't a joke like if somebody
actually wants to step up and fight somebody in salon or ethan like the two people agree like we
can get them on karate combat like i could personally like see to like that they get a at
least uh the deal on the table you know dude if you if you want to see the most underrated person
in web 3 no shit it's odd lord sub 10k ordonauts founder i would I will I will full port into his ring side
Because I know how savage that man is with his knuckles. The dude was
Like a bouncer on the doors back in the day I've met him in real life
He is short but he can pack a punch this dude would knock people out of it
This I was out of their skin, bro
So if we're gonna if we're gonna fund someone to fly them out i mean that's who i'd recommend set him
up he can be the face of bitcoin we can all rally behind him and we can send some solano influencer
just into the ground and we can all print on the bidding so let's do it let's do it trevor
do you be sick if he had his magneto
mask too he should tattoo it on his head if this is the case i mean look at i think look at this
man i think i think the challenge is though that like you need someone who looks like a bitch but
is a good fighter you know that's who we need because we need like the people on solana and
eat to think they can take them in order yeah see them. Yeah, see, nah, nah, that's not happening, bro.
If you get some badass motherfucker, like, no one's going to fight him.
They're just going to be like, I don't want to fight that guy.
But, like, if he looks like –
Yeah, like, if Polymath is like, hey, guys, who wants to fight Polymath?
Like, nobody's going to take that fight.
Yeah, zero.
Like, it's not going to be an option.
But, yeah, Trevor.
Well, Big Queen Barry said he would back in the day.
Big Queen Barry said he would.
But he's now Baruchain Barry.
I don't know.
His emotional constitution is quite weak.
So maybe we could fight it.
Maybe it's a lot of talk.
Because, yeah, that emotional constitution did not last very well.
Didn't even make it to the next round of the Ordinal Show co-host,
tryouts, interview process.
Right? So I don't know i didn't see him at bitcoin vegas that's all i'm gonna say i didn't see him at the vegas
conference either good things good things is back this is some big news good things came back
he's a he's an ethereum influencer now he bought a pudgy penguin i've been following he's blocked
me but no way i followed him yeah he's uh really oh i'm not i'm not joking he's like giving advice He's an Ethereum influencer now. He bought a pudgy penguin. I've been following. He's blocked me.
No way.
I followed him, yeah.
Really?
I'm not joking.
He's giving advice to Ethereum people.
He blocked me after Turk put out a tweet, and I commented on there, said, I agree, Turk.
I literally invited him on the phone. Thanks, guys.
And then he blocked me.
That was what I did.
Yeah.
He's been around.
He hasn't blocked me.
He still follows me.
And I believe he popped onto Mysteries in MySpace a couple times since everything unraveled.
So he is still around.
Good thing he's actually a nice dude.
I feel like he probably got caught up in some shizzle there.
But, you know, definitely would not be pivoting to Kaji and ETH at all-time high when Bitcoin's lagging like
come on now ordinals look at them undervalued guys 5x these things can we extend this uh Trevor to
to have actually a valuable outcome like can we put Leo against for example Richard
Richard Tank or other CEOs of exchanges and every time leo beats
them dog gets listed like to speed up the process of listening i would do a two for one cz and
richard tank i'd be yeah actually i probably shouldn't talk about violence that's actually
probably not a good idea but if people voluntarily wanted we just got confirmation if people
voluntarily wanted to come out with me i'm more than welcome to take people on. Totally.
You know, by the way, I saw your, well, I listened to your spaces or was it the live stream? And it was the first time I heard you talking so softly about Binance.
When they asked you about Binance at the Trio show, I was like, yeah, here we go.
I'm going to grab some popcorn.
Leo is going to do his thing.
And no, nothing happened.
Do you want to comment on that, Leo?
What do you mean?
Just like we didn't talk about it very much?
I didn't.
No comment.
Tuxedo, don't fuck up our listing.
Come on, man.
What are you doing?
Yeah, I mean, look, I just, yeah, I basically did a no comment.
Also, like, it takes a lot of energy to have that conversation, I feel like.
And it's like explaining stuff to people so you know sometimes i just like want to talk about
other stuff too you know i understand i understand although you you did spend the usual amount of
energy to fund arsik this you had some energy you teed me up nicely for that though that was
that was like a good uh you got the alley-oop for that one.
Tuxedo, well done.
They believed me, too, for like three or four seconds.
It was kind of funny.
They asked me, you know, Leonidas, what's your second favorite rune, other than dog, obviously.
And then I paused for a second in thought, and then I said Arsik.
Yeah, it was interesting. Okay. So look, Bitcoin, you know, dipped a little bit now.
We're kind of back 123,600, but we're teetering. We're teetering on the verge of all time high.
I think it was like 124,400 is now the new all time high for Bitcoin. Does anybody,
who Yan had to drop down, but he's back.
I mean, does anybody have a good karate combat fight?
Because I think a lot of people listening are like,
oh, they're just joking.
No, we're dead serious.
We've been trying to get a karate combat fight for two years.
And Trevor has connections there,
so it's not an issue of making it happen.
It's just we need two fighters.
So just think about it, guys. You versus K need two fighters. Just think about it.
You versus K-Money, dude.
I don't have a beef with K-Money and K-Money.
No, he fuds rooms all the time, Leo.
K-Money's not a good contender.
It'd be pretty funny.
No, no.
I don't have any issue with him,
and he wouldn't stand a chance.
So it's two problems.
Udi and businessmen, that's a good combo.
He wouldn't stand a chance.
He doesn't want to hurt him.
Right, Leo?
I mean, seriously, I have no issue.
I would not want to beat up K-Money.
That wouldn't be very fun.
We should tag him and say that you're fucking smart.
I'm literally not joking.
Do you want to do a fight against someone where you're, like,
happy to beat them up.
You understand what I'm saying?
Hell yes.
I'm not happy to beat – K-Money's funny as hell.
Like, he's clever.
I like him.
He's generally, like, a good guy in the space.
I want to, like – dude, Hayden Davis, like, put me in the ring, you know?
Like, put me in the ring, you know?
I have no issue.
I have no issue.
I don't feel bad.
I think you got to just do it for the runes ecosystem, dude.
I mean, he funds runes all the time.
You know, he says they're bad.
They're hard to trade.
They're not like Mog, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So, I mean, like, I think you just got to take one for the team.
I'm not even sure.
When he does fund runes, like, I don't even understand what he's saying.
It's like I was listening to OneSpace, I haven't really gotten a chance
to debate him on it, but it's like,
he's, yeah, I don't know, I think he's
just promoting Mog, and like, doesn't know much
about runes, to be totally frank.
Can we, can we, actually,
Leo, this is a good point, like,
should we, should we, like,
bring back the debate?
You know, I remember we were were we're doing a lot of
debates when ordinals and runes were just getting started i think now like we don't really see many
of it uh many of these things and you know you're pretty good at debating so yeah jan i did bring
like two weeks a week or two yeah the alpha code alpha had me on and we did like three hours
we had like 1200 real people listening it was a great space but it was also just like the quality
of conversation was like nobody was like nobody really knew what they were talking trevor came
for the tail end event like these people are idiots it's like they're like nobody was prepared
to have an actual debate so it just ended up being people who just like, quite frankly, weren't prepared and didn't understand, you know, honestly what they were talking about coming up and like trying to say things that they had heard other people say and then couldn't elaborate.
So then it's honestly, I like when there's a debate where two people know what they're talking about because it makes you think about it differently.
I might change the way I think about a certain aspect of runes, right?
It's like debates are actually a productive way to have a conversation
because you don't want just a bunch of people who believe the same things
repeating the same mantras, right?
That's honestly not a super beneficial conversation.
So, you know, what happened on that space was like people just getting upset,
yelling, making just horrible points.
I don't know.
It was like, people can go listen to it.
It wasn't anything.
It wasn't anything.
It was entertaining.
These are the people we have to.
It wasn't a good debate.
These are the people you have to appeal to, though.
I mean, they're saying like,
I just want to buy memes and rug it for this and that.
And, you know, like this is unfortunately the market we have.
I mean, honestly, it's obviously going to change
as we move into more frothy things. But of frothy markets i mean what happens everyone's i
feel like it's consensus now that everyone's saying that the fed is going to cut rates in september
but what if they don't you know i think everyone everything's going to get pretty fucked if they
don't care right what's the cme group said it was at 99 that they't cut rates.
CMU group said it was at 99% that they would cut rates,
so it would be very unlikely
that they don't at this point.
That would probably shock the market.
I don't think that's going to happen.
It's 80%.
It's 80% now, J-Dog.
Is it 80%?
Yeah, 80% for 25 points and then 12% for nothing.
Yeah, but you're checking on Polymarket, right?
Yeah, Polymarket.
Yep.
Okay, no, I'm talking about the CME group that Vincent's been posting,
which I think it should be more accurate, right?
Sorry, I honestly, like, I'm not an expert on this.
What is CME group?
The CME group, the Chicago, I forget what it stands for.
Someone probably knows, but I don't know, I'm just watching Vincent's post.
But I mean, I think we're going to get a rate cut either way.
And I think we've realized that runes and these assets on Bitcoin are the most risk
on assets.
Obviously, that shouldn't be the case.
But at this point in time, they are.
So we're seeing a lot of these other like eath and other things run all coins
um and not everything really actually when you think about it it's more particular coins um
but yeah it just seems that runes and ordinals and everything here is way more risk risk off
but i think with the rate cuts and we'll finally see because i don't know the bull market for me
doesn't start until dogs at a billion dollar market cap this ain't shit at this point like it's cool 124k but i think a lot of us want
to see our our bags pumping that we're betting on that should be outperforming bitcoin at some
point in this market yeah but jdog these these assets are moving because people are starting
to price in the fact that these race cuts are coming right so i mean like it it i think it
does pay to be contrarian sometimes like,
like, you know, it is possible that like, I'm Trump just fired the, the, the, the person who
does like the house or the jobs data. Like what if the jobs data come in as booming now? And then
the fed's like, well, I mean, maybe we should, I mean, inflation is still kind of high. We want
to lower and we're still worried about tariffs at the long end. Like, so like maybe we shouldn't cut rates.
I mean,
like these things are possibilities and CME group is like,
it's good,
but like,
you know,
they're just,
you know,
they're just taking a shot in the dark.
I mean,
I think if that did happen though,
like then,
you know,
September would probably be a down month,
but then October would probably,
they would cut rates at that.
Like they'd have to cut rates at that rate,
but.
Yeah, I agree with that. um yeah hopefully they don't hopefully they just do the cut rate the rate cuts and we could fucking start sending to valhalla i don't want to do it i don't want to
do this all over again man it's been too long jay dog dude i'm actually totally fine if they
like dude i want the long dragged out really big the just, like, shoot to the top and nuke mountain.
So, like, people, I'm, like, totally fine for, like, Bitcoin to go to 100K and then back to 120K and then up to 150 and back to, like, I want the slow, strong, steady building mountain.
When we have an ordinal show in, four months and there's like 3,000
people in here and like everybody's freaking out, like that's it. Like that's the top. You know
what I'm saying? So I don't want that to come soon. I want us to build to a larger, higher top.
And I think like what you've seen Bitcoin do over the past 12 months is like beautiful.
Like we topped out, you know, earlier this year in January, we dipped down. Now we get to build up and go way higher again. Right. So I personally
don't mind if we drag this out for, you know, 12 months, 15 months. Like that's, to me, that's like
the best case scenario. But I also, I also hear you, J-Dog, that I'm ready to go to the moon too.
So yeah, some of us are fully ported in dogs. So we want to see these, these prices pump,
these ruins pump, these ordinals pump, all of our our assets pump like i don't mind it at the end
of the day i know where we're going this didn't sound like super bullish to me at all man like
you're talking about bitcoin 100k like you know that doesn't sound foolish to me i'm talking about
i'm talking about a local bottom of 120 of 100k and i and i know how to clip this man this one
is easy to find the other ones are harder to find but this one i'm clipping i mean literally everyone
who was listening understood what i was saying but okay um he's on yeah maybe 200 people understood
it the same way that they understood the difference is i asked you point blank we're gonna go around
the room everybody's gonna list their bitcoin price predictions for the cycle trevor gave his
you know j-dog gave his veto gave his and then we came to yawn and you said 150k and there wasn't
like a bunch of extra stuff it was just that so yeah you know i mean yeah you can say that right now but you know I
just heard hundred cake that you are you're you're you're you know you know
your Bitcoin you know you yeah I'm talking to you trying to figure out how
to navigate the situation I can tell and I mean the world is going on the end
dog 3 billion that's a part she's good she's good and super grok is even better
man they they gave me a good idea.
Grok heavy to figure out, to come up and tell me that I'd think 100K.
Okay, so.
I was actually waiting.
They told me specifically, wait for this moment.
Like, it's going to come.
Leo is going to talk about it.
And then you need to attack from all angles.
That's exactly what they told me, man.
I'm telling you, AI is taking over, man.
AI knows everything about you. to attack from all angles that's exactly what they told me man i'm telling you honestly dude you could just ai my voice and have me say whatever you like that's probably what i should do it would be trevor maybe we need to work on that we got to find some software to like ai on voice
and just play it on the show in like a month but nobody can ai my my laugh you know so that's gonna be the proof of authenticity
that's a good point I mean AI if the AI becomes like evil and sentient like it's
gonna you know Skynet all of us to death but then it would be able to do Yon's
Yon's voice but for I think we don't even need an AI to do is I mean to do
his laugh we would need an advanced AI and sentient but to do his, I mean, to do his laugh, we would need an advanced AI than Sentient. But to do his voice, I mean,
I think ChatGPT1 could probably do it.
Just go, welcome to the ordinal show.
Wait, was that supposed to be Jan?
Yeah, that was like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
That wasn't the best Jan, I'm going to be honest.
My bad.
I thought you guys would all think it was the same voice.
I mean, I knew what you were trying to do.
I don't know how to do Jan's voice.
I don't know how to do your voice either, Trevor.
I could do Mr. E pretty well, I think.
Let's hear it right now, Leah.
Let's go.
Everyone close your eyes, and are you hearing Leah or Mr. E?
All right.
What's up, guys?
Tonight, we're going to be hosting the Mr. E all right what's up guys tonight we're gonna be hosting the
mystery zone Cynthia over to you what do you think's going on tonight Cynthia oh my goodness
Leo you know I love you but that did not sound like mr. E you said he was you were saying the
words but the problem is the voice uh the intonation the inflection is not quite the same
um but you know we appreciate God loves a trier, right?
God loves a trier.
I'm working on it.
I'm working on it.
But you know what?
You have your own beautiful, sultry, velvety voice that you can use.
So you don't need to imitate anyone else.
You can just be yourself.
And as you see, we've got over 200 people here for your beautiful voice.
And you did it wrong, man. You have have to ask twice what do you think about this you guys want okay i'm gonna impersonate people
and you guys have to guess who it is oh my gosh jan do you have any feet pics that you can send
me like you did last week was that me yeah it was you. Let me see.
Let me see.
Whose feet?
Wouldn't you like to know?
It's true.
I'm buying Jan's feet.
Curious like a cat over here.
I am curious like a cat.
I feel like Mac, if he wanted to, do like a great rock toshi impression right now like thank you for the 3 000 bitcoin and fuck leonidas fuck trevor
oh dude i've never heard him talk because he's had me blocked for so long because i
i did actually say that exactly what you just said, but when it happened.
So what you'll notice about me is I'm blocked by all the people who don't like it.
When you tell them what they've done.
You're not supposed to do that.
You're supposed to keep the vibes good,
bro.
You're supposed to ignore it and act like it's all good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's we're supposed to scam people here and not actually provide value.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'm just the poor frog who actually believes in my own stuff and just starts working a day job and hoping that provenance comes
We'll see but uh, yeah, I'm keeping it straight boys. So that this this is my rotation impression Leo
Nah, I can't even do it
Like you don't even do it Do it, do it, do it I was excited, do it, do it
You don't even have to
Unblock me to chase me down, dude
Nah, fuck that
He's got enough money to fly out to Aussie
I'm not doing that
I'm not doing that at all
Well then we've got the fight as well
Come on, you've got to take one for the team now
You have to do it
And we'll all fight out
Australia is amazing
I love it there
Didn't you hear him describe himself, Cynthia?
He's like pasty and has never seen the sunlight.
You think he can fight anyone?
I mean, maybe he's flying.
He's in Australia.
You can't be that past you.
Max, we fight kangaroos out here.
Say that you're the co-founder of Ordnals and that you're really mad because Leonidas exposed you.
Just say that in your normal voice.
Then you're going to clip it.
No way, I'm not doing it.
But what I will do is pivot back to Cynthia and Mr. E's space.
Hey, when I left New Zealand, because I'm actually from New Zealand,
and I was pretty active on spaces at that time,
you guys used to have like eight listeners.
I then moved country,
been traveling a little bit,
juggling work,
haven't had much time for spaces.
And then I come back and you guys are just popping the fuck off.
what happened there?
Like what's,
what's the update?
I don't know.
I mean,
we've been here doing the space 330 tonight.
We'll be 336 days in a row with not a single day off uh not even when we've been
fighting some kind of a crazy bear virus or when we've been traveling like when we went to the
vegas bitcoin conference no we did uh we did live spaces every single night live on location there
one of them was actually outside of the pizza ninjas party which was crazy and uh so we had a
great time so we haven't been giving up. We
can't stop, won't stop. We're just here all the time. So I don't know. Maybe people are just
catching on and having a good time. We definitely keep it fun and keep it light. But we also have
really interesting discussions. We talked about blockchain technology, you know, Bitcoin,
everything, art, all the different things in between. And we just have a really good time.
And I think that's, I'm assuming, and I don't know,
but people can give me your feedback.
I think that's what people enjoy, that they can come
and we can have great discussions.
We get to know each other.
We love to promote artists and other projects as well,
not just our own work.
Mr. E has his Bitcoin Cyborgs, and I'm an artist
with various collections, including on Bitcoin ordinals as well
but we like to support the ecosystem
at large and I think that's it. So we go
every single night at midnight Eastern Standard
Time or 9pm Pacific. So we
are starting in 2 hours and 42
minutes then.
So we invite everyone to come hang out.
And sometimes we've got Leo,
Trevor, Yon and some of the other legends
in here who come to hang out and it always makes it just so much better we love uh the richness of the conversation
and uh the variety of personalities it's the best time you know last time i listened to your
to your space cynthia i was like i really want to meet cynthia in person i know we missed each other
in vegas because i was like you know she must be a strong woman hanging out with a bunch of dudes talking about some bullshit all the time.
Like literally like I don't even know what like Mr. E and Troy were talking about, but I think you would normally get canceled for that kind of stuff that they were discussing.
And Cynthia is just there, you know, and just like having fun with everybody.
So she must be a strong woman.
Well, I'm definitely the person who brings the hammer down at times
when it needs to come down in a lot of cases.
So, you know, the other night,
I think it was Troy who started calling me Spicy Cynthia after, you know,
I did just that.
I got a little bit firm with the room.
But sometimes you need that.
You need, you know, I let Mr. E be the good cop.
And then when I need to, I'm sort of the bad cop, I guess. You know, I pull out that whip,
I pull out that riding crop and get everyone back and settled in their seats and sometimes quiet.
So it just depends on what is going on. But you gotta, you gotta maintain order sometimes.
Sometimes you need that, especially when it gets to those late night rooms. You know, sometimes
you've got some people who are having some drinks. Usually those people aren't the problems,
really. But, you know, you just gotta keep, maintain order and make sure you have a really
welcoming and fun environment overall. Hell yeah. I don't know if you noticed what i did there but i did it to emlo
earlier um that is my way of supporting people who have consistency continue to show up and
don't fuck people over so there you have it guys uh go listen to their space as well but dude i
think consistency is literally what it is for everyone who's trying to grow within web three and like
the one thing i will say too because i i haven't been on space as much at all lately is um like
just if you're trying to be multi-cycle and you want to outlast everyone which is what it's all
about it's about being multi-cycle outlasting everyone like if you can do that you're gonna
win because you just have to sit on your hands and outlast everyone like if you can do that you're gonna win because you
just have to sit on your hands and outlast people but if you want to do that in a way that you
retain your network and you become a multi-cycle sort of friend of the space you have to stay
stay straight and you have to like not fuck people over so um that is how i would say you guys did it
you've been staying straight you've been doing it the right way and that's the growth because i i personally liked your spaces when
there were eight people because the conversations were like you know proper that once once spaces
get big they get a bit hypey people will come in out of nowhere you get you get these big names
coming in and it brings like huge huge listeners all of all of a sudden it changes the whole
sort of way the space feels and that.
But props to you guys, man. I love
the consistency and the relentlessness.
Especially Mr. E. He's such
a fucking beast. He's literally
a beast. Look at the guy.
Look at his PFP. So I thought it
was worth, you know,
asking you a question that
allowed you to show.
Thanks for the support, Mac.
Appreciate it.
And are you calling Leonidas out?
Because he has come.
Yeah, I'm calling him out.
He's way too big.
He's got too big.
He's like, sort of,
he didn't realize he was going to have this explosive growth.
He's been messaging people about it.
He's literally, he can't stop the growth dog is just in its own
dude i'm doing good we're worried about jan he's been experiencing some growing pains recently he's
been facing his first scandal uh a year ago when he was the advisor on the decentralized project
and we had to work through that with him so i've i've actually kind of figured my shit out but you know jan's you know having to grapple with celebrity ship uh in the
crypto space damn jan you advised that my god you fucked dude no i'm joking um there was a great
last year was the big scandal that jan's name was on a list of like 10 people who didn't get paid
but were on an advisor website for that project
and watching i don't really watching you i don't really know what was wrong with that job
that job was fine like it was free like it went out it ripped it was free you know if you sell
literally what it is guys is always sell the shiny thing before it reveals it's the same it's like
nf it's like nfts all over again so it was runes unfortunately it was the same thing
um odds are it's gonna play out better every single time you do that or if it doesn't just
be happy with your your win because at the end of the day like stacking sets is the thing anyone
who complained about decentralized probably brought secondary and got absolutely roasted which is fine too i got wrecked on epic
rune i was geeked out neuro ticked my boxes he dropped an insane animation as an inscription
it was you know supposedly going to be epic we brought it we got wrecked you can't complain
about it you're like like they say
no crying at the casino so um anyone who's coming after yarn i mean one he's huge he will literally
put your head between his bicep look at actually look at his pfp you see that spot in between that
elbow and his yeah that spot he'll pop your head with that because he's that big so do not come
after my boy yarn here guys
um but other than that yeah i i don't see a problem with decentralized doing what they did
either to be fair i i think it was just a time and space you know man like i i i'm okay i'm okay
with people complaining because i know that this is how the space works and i am not gonna like
try to like you know say that like yeah like i i i had different
intention or like you know i was i was i was very bullish on the team like i really like the guys
like to be frank like and and like my opinion hasn't necessarily changed like it's just the
execution was was really bad and uh it just happens in crypto right like unfortunately even like i feel like
they kind of gave up like all together right because we don't really see them in the space
anymore they are probably focused on something else i know that they were dealing with some
issues in the u.s well kong you know kong's are actually ripping um the ogs they're shredding a
bit and bananas are and i guess they are still doing things. I mean
It's just unfortunate, you know, like I know again like, you know, I
I know how startups and how building anything works because I've been doing it for a while
So like it's okay that you pay vault
It's okay that you change direction and all of these things. I think it's fine
but it's unfortunate that like, you know know it happened in a way that did because I really think that they had a good
intention they they definitely tried to do something cool but you know they just
didn't keep going and maybe the reason why they didn't keep going was because
they didn't have money they had to sustain themselves in a different way
again like you know that's the reality of startup life again I don't know
because I am NOT obviously part of the team I have no insider information and this and that so it's
just kind of assuming based on my two conversations in-person conversations that I had but but it just
unfortunately happens you know that sometimes people just give up and uh if they didn't give
up maybe it would turn out to be different but also like the fact that you know runes didn't give up, maybe it would turn out to be different, but also, like, the fact that, you know, runes
didn't necessarily take off like crazy
after, that probably
also means that, like, they don't even want to
continue, because they're like, what the fuck, you know?
Like, it's not even ripping, you know?
So, it would be too hard of a job to
keep it going, so, maybe that was the reason
Yeah, I mean, look, bottom line, this wasn't
intended to, yeah, I probably honestly
shouldn't have brought that up, because the intention was not to go back into that. the reason. Yeah, I mean, look, bottom line, this wasn't intended to, yeah, I probably honestly shouldn't have brought that up.
The intention was not to go back into that.
The reason I brought it up because it was, like, insane that anybody was even, like, Jan was replying as if he was, like, the founder of the project that had just rugged.
The reality was, like, do you know how many ordinal projects, like, founders have extracted a ton of money and left?
Jan probably got a text message of like, hey, we're not going to pay you anything, but you want to be an advisor.
And it's CyberKong.
They're like a top 10 NFT company.
And Jan's like on the footnote of the website with like 10 other people.
I just found it hilarious that people were coming after yon for it because it was like obviously nothing i mean the the reality the reality was um you know the the reason why you
know i liked it is because they really planned to do something more right so it wasn't about just
like hey let's do an airdrop and that's where it ends right like you know they were planning that
they're gonna build some cool infra you know we were were planning that they're going to build some cool infra.
You know, we were even talking about like how experts can provide some infra for them. And like they're going to try to onboard people from Ethereum to Bitcoin.
Like that's why that was the reason why I wanted to work with them or why I wanted to help them.
Right. Because I I really felt that, you know, we have an opportunity to bring maybe a couple thousand more people into
the bitcoin ecosystem either to ordinals or ruins back in the days when that was the narrative that
they chose and uh yeah that was the reason unfortunately again i am disappointed myself
of course because they they never executed on any of those plans but you know you have no control
over that like you have no control of other people right like you know you just kind of you know you you take take a chance you know i always try to be
supportive of everybody who wants to onboard people to bitcoin because obviously that's good
for experts that's good for us here that's good for the entire space so i try to be as supportive
as possible and uh and yeah like you know they they they send me one NFT that I still have and I I will never sell because like why like what's the point?
Like am I gonna try to make three hundred dollars on something that that you know
You literally
Do not need to defend like we've had like
Yo, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be seen there dude fuck that
I hate it that you, I actually, you're, sell harder, dude.
What are you doing?
I sold at 0.1 on my free single one that I got for whatever you had to hold to get one.
And it was a vibe.
So next time, sell it.
But what I was going to say about like this whole advisory role shit as well,
because I don't really do like the big project advisory stuff
because exactly what you're just talking about and i also think like they don't even lean into
their advisors properly like if you want an advisor you better get the fuck on a phone call
and spend two hours with me and tell me everything about your project so i can pick holes in it and
you better have documents in my dm every day of the week because i want to pick holes in it if you want an actual advisor you know what i mean the
space doesn't do that they're like you can be an advisor that just means one single tweet and you
don't have to do anything like that's that's where the issues are and it will continue to be like
that because people don't understand like that name is not correct it's like advisor it's just not it um and i've been the other thing is
for for anyone who's listening and i was just mentioned while we're talking about advisory
ros i still think and i will continue to bring it up the whitelist system in this space is totally
broken if you're planning on doing art on chain and if you're planning on deploying your product
or your project whatever you are don't go raffle to random projects and let people mint one it makes no sense if you can only get one
and the price goes up you're going to sell it then you have to make the decision whether you
want to rejoin and if it's going to continue to plummet it's stupid like you need to curate your
lists get the right collectors get
the right traders whatever and allow them to do like two or three so at the least they're going
to keep one out of respect to your project like this whole but all of it's still backwards so
until we figure that out it's not going to work but in the meantime we will continue to print
these random new shiny things and uh and let them just zero out afterwards because that's
how it seems to um be and it's just been happening like that for um since 2021 so we'll figure it
out eventually guys but yeah that would be some free advice if you're dropping artwork spend a
bit of time find the right collab manager there's many of them especially on the mother chain and find the ones who understand
that key thing but that's hard bro that takes time brother excuse me don't don't don't have
time when you hit the gym i can't i can't say anything now no i am i am just saying why it
doesn't happen right the reason why this is not done that way is because it's hard it takes
effort and that's not what most of the people want to put into it right like you know like i see vito
here in the space like like his example right like like yes like he's he's like building like you
know he's selling plushies like merch and he's educating people he's doing this and like of
course he wants to make money come on like you know he's spending a lot he's educating people he's doing this and like of course he wants to make
money come on like you know he's spending a lot of time so he needs to make sure
that his business makes money but you know like it's a long-term vision right like it's long-term
vision it's something that you know takes time to figure out and he's not gonna make a lot of money
early on but if it if it plays out well in the next like one or two years then he's gonna print shit ton of money
Because people then wake up. Oh shit. Like this thing actually is the number one
Bitcoin meme coin and like there is a fucking plushie
I want it and like there is gonna be tens of thousands of people buying that shit, you know
And so it just takes time to do something meaningful, right?
And so if you're there just to drop a collection, like,
and you know, you're the only thing you care about, like, is this the right time, right? Like, I need to hit this right time, because otherwise I won't sell out. Then of course, people are not
going to spend extra three months curating the list or finding the right people, right? So it's
the reality of, yeah. And in that case, I would recommend not deploying on this specific chain.
If you're a shiny new thing thing and you're a shiny new object
who's trying to catch some hype,
I mean, go to alt chains.
The hype grabbers are there.
We call them the sheeple.
They're still over there.
If you guys didn't keep up with the Beeple Nakamigos news,
I mean, anyone with half a brain could read that that was a troll,
but yet you had CryptoPunks porting you know 10 to 30 bit uh eth into it
and then they were complaining about getting wrecked you know so did you guys see the little
video that that he released uh that was pretty funny yeah no but that uh that video was needed
bro because honestly people did get absolutely people are stupid man absolutely yeah there's no
no question.
There's dumb people.
Trevor, I know you were going to say something a moment ago, and then we'll go to bite.
No, no, I don't want to bring up the topic again, because Jan beat that horse so dead
that I had to push him off the horse and be like, Jan, stop beating that dead horse, please.
Do you realize how many people I've invited on this show that ended up rucking? Let's stop it.
You know what I'm saying?
We had you gone here.
We had the decentralized guys.
How would you know they're going to ruck?
What, we're just going to never have anyone who ever does any token on the show?
We don't know that, obviously.
I don't consider it a rug.
I don't consider it a rug.
They gave shit for free and then made a decision that they were overextended i mean they didn't charge anything excuse me excuse me good evening sorry to interrupt
i i can't i can't say now yo what's up how you doing then excuse me okay thanks and sorry to Sorry to interrupt, but since I am about to go, I need to say this.
I invite dog influencer from X, Brazil.
I am afraid of speaking English, but I will try anyway.
Good evening, my dog army. I don't know what time is here but here in Brazil is already past 10pm.
Okay, I am here learning English what's called Be Better, they learn the words language and
and at the same time learn more about the world's big than currency,
Bitcoin, and the second biggest joke.
I love all of this.
I love you, family.
Don't get discouraged.
Don't lock the press, press, dog.
Don't lock this. Lock the fundamentals that have brought us this for.
All of you are the best.
You've made all this possible.
Each and every one of you.
Now I have to go.
Tomorrow is the big day. tomorrow is the big day tomorrow is a big day a day to be productive
on the work and the other day to beauty value of dog greetings from the dog arm brazil i love you
i love you thanks appreciate you bite that you did you did good you did good just so you know
we all understood what you were saying, man.
You did really good.
Yeah, shout out to the Portuguese-speaking dog army.
You guys are incredible.
Yeah, I need to go to Dog to Moss' show again soon and touch base with you guys and see what's going on.
The dog summit was absolutely crazy.
I love seeing all the pictures out of that and everything.
Yeah, we'll have to do a space again soon.
So the dog army is crazy, bro. You, you got the circus army behind it. Like I, I often listen to
this space while I'm working just incognito mode. And every now and then you just get like random
different parts of the world popping up, just bull bull talking,
like with full confidence is exactly what we need in the space.
If you can't talk in confidence about what you are like bull posting,
then you're not doing it right.
Like you need to have full conviction and,
and that's how you stay up in the space.
Like I don't,
I honestly don't often lose out on plays too much anymore because i i trade less
and i go with like gut conviction that's like to the point where if i'm laying in bed it's like
get up out of bed and just go do the play and if you work like that then you tend to make some
better wins and you know unless your gut's completely crooked then then maybe you're not
in the right space but um i can tell that the dog army like these dudes have full conviction uh it's interesting
to watch because i am aware like i i was a cat god loved the cat memes at the start but now i'm
just like watching these dudes and they're just relentless they're just outlasting everyone
they have fucking diehards so you can't fight it you can't fight it. You can't fight it.
You can't knock it.
You just respect to people who are going after their conviction, dude.
I love to see it.
It's like me and my frogs.
It's like Trevor and what I'm trying to hustle him out of his DMs.
There's always someone who's got the conviction, and if they've got it,
and it seems to be playing out, and then all of a sudden you hear lots of other people have the conviction as well need if they've got it you know and it seems to be playing out and then
all of a sudden you hear lots of other people have the conviction as well then you're like oh i'm on
to something here and you know how long is it going to take before everyone has the same conviction
well we don't know but there's enough people now that all have it that's like dude these things
are going places so i love that man
keep keep cooking keep cooking lads we i mean we couldn't i like dude i there's nothing at this
point i could do to stop it cooking like it's the dog army is like uh it's out of my control there's
like subsets of the dog army that i'm like totally out of touch with to be honest like
there's like an entire conspiracy theory about gate.io that I feel like totally out of the loop on.
Like the dog army has like grown into this big decentralized thing that there's no, yeah, I don't think there's any stopping it.
And yeah, I think it's like, I'm in awe of the conviction of these guys every single day as well, Mac.
It's like genuinely pretty, it's pretty incredible.
It's an honor to be, to be part of something like this.
Are you worried that like like because there's a point
where it gets like so for bitcoin puppets right they they got so out of control and so mimetic
that like there was like the different crews where you'd have like these crazy people saying
crazy shit that you don't agree with then you've got the meme guys who are really funny and it's
like they were all pushing the same thing, but it was so different.
It was like, which part of the community do you fit into?
Do you join the discord?
Do you not?
Do you go on a Twitter chat?
All of that, like that comes into play when, when a, um, project or a product
gets to a certain point where the community is sort of like the lead force
and the founders just, it's kind of like founder has to step out of the way
because the community is running it up either way. you like a little bit worried about it no about
dogs or anything that's the plan dude it's like it's very bullish when a community grows to the
level of decentralization that there's multiple sub-communities and subcultures forming like
that's when you know the community is like made because, okay, one of the voices in one of these sub-communities goes away.
That's fine.
There's 12 other sub-communities, right?
And there's multiple dog discords, mini dog telegrams, multiple dog websites, multiple dog – literally, I can screenshot it for you.
I can look at my X messages right now.
It's like dog legends, forked dog chat. This is all at my X messages right now. It's like, Dog Legends,
Fork to Dog Chat. This is all at the top because they're
messaging constantly. Fork to Dog Chat migrated,
Dog Army,
Dog OG Chat,
Dog Raid Team, Rune Stone
Community Group. These are just constantly
at the top of my feed because
there's so many chats. I'm like, I don't
run any of them. It just happens.
So I think that you want to really just follow in the footsteps of Bitcoin where it's like you know
David Bailey comes along and just like creates a conference and like Satoshi didn't have to have
his like marketing team go figure that out it just happens naturally because it's DC zero and
because it's a huge thing that people are excited about. And that's what like you want to achieve.
And I'm absolutely not saying that like, you know, we've achieved everything we want to
achieve, but I'm very happy on the sort of community front.
Like our fundamentally what happened with dog was we flipped the script upside down
and said, instead of doing what every other meme coin does, which is like, there's like
this template that you follow and you try to essentially pay a bunch of people that like help number go up with your
coin and you kind of financially engineer the attention and the liquidity and this sort
of stuff.
And like dog literally just said, we're doing literally none of that.
And instead we're just going to focus on doing what like actual people want, like focusing
on the person that like goes and downloads the app
and like taps the button because they wanted to buy $50. That is 100% of the focus of dog.
And like the thesis is if we do that, like you win, like we're not going to flip Dogecoin
by doing a bunch of like tricks with, you know, centralized exchanges and like KOL networks and
like, you know, winter mute and stuff. Like there's no question
we can get a huge pump, but you're not going to like build a long-term sustainable
movement that flips Dogecoin, which has always been the goal. Everything was engineered from
the start with the singular goal of flipping Dogecoin. So every, every single thing that we've
done, it is that in mind. The goal is not, Oh, let's go to $5 billion and let's like make a ton
of money. If that was the goal, like, it's go to $5 billion and let's make a ton of money.
If that was the goal, it's not like we couldn't have done that template and run that. The connections were all there. It was very much like, hey, let's launch a meme coin the way
Satoshi launched the token that for some reason nobody's doing anymore. And yeah, okay, this is
contrarian, but actually in a space where everybody's doing the same thing, I think the
market will actually appreciate and it will resonate with people when there's a token that
can't be rugged or that can't be, you know, taken down by a centralized group of people who can just
nuke the chart or whatever, right? So yeah, focusing on, you know, the ticker and the image
and an army of people bullposting it on Twitter. That is what a meme
coin is at the end of the day, right? It's a group of people that believe in something. That is how
Bitcoin was when I got into it. The price, the market cap of Bitcoin was only like two bucks,
the market cap of dog at its all time high. When I first bought my Bitcoin and was mining Bitcoin
and you could go on, you know, the Bitcoin subreddit or the Bitcoin forum and look at these posts of people like the famous HODL meme post, right?
Like, go read that post.
It's not the energy of like the Bitcoiners today.
Like, Bitcoin basically was a meme coin, guys.
It was like very similar to doggy.
It was a bunch of, you know, people on the internet hanging out, having, making friendships,
being DGENs, being silly, having fun, also sharing, of course, a thesis and narrative.
But yeah, like that's the strategy we're pursuing.
And I think eventually that strategy hopefully works out.
That's obviously at least the idea.
It's a pretty, you know, it's an experiment.
So we never know what's going to happen.
But yeah, at this point, I can't do anything to stop dog it's it's things have been set in motion and
they'll just continue probably so let's go i gotta i gotta jump guys i gotta get on a call but um
yeah like i said appreciate everyone who continuously shows up keeps it straight
straight shooting like be the human you are in real life
when you're on crypto Twitter.
Like that's the best way to do it.
Don't slip into the whole like,
this is a different world.
It's not.
We're actually in the same world.
If you meet people in real life,
you should be able to be the same person.
And if you live by that,
you're going to grow in the space.
Your bags are going to go up
because people are going to connect with that.
It's going to be a great thing.
And I would close with this my little thing is exactly what you just said about all of that and about where like viddy started in the community and all that
don't lose faith in ordinals and early ordinals and all of that stuff either guys because um
and i i i'm one who's obviously heavily
biased because all of my stuff is early and i love art on chain but like some stuff that leo just
said deeply think about that and then go and look at what has happened with all of the ethereum art
from 2017 2018 2019 whatever these things are catching huge bids right
now v1 punks are catching a huge bid i see emlo's wearing one right now these things are catching
huge but bids solely on provenance and moon cats are catching them now and punks are still out of
reach and all of this stuff and that was 2017 2017 to 2018. If you sold your punk, your literal punk in 2018, 19,
you're probably looking at like $500 to $2,000, right?
So just be aware of that.
I know the space can be like pretty moving fast
and people can be saying things are dead and whatnot.
They're dead until they're not.
And a lot of us have longer time horizons.
Again, I'm
aggressively coming at Trevor. He knows what
I'm after. Give me what I want
and I will move on.
Trevor, what's Matt talking about?
These early... No, no.
No, no. This is just...
We're not allowed to talk about these things. Are you talking about Trevor's
little... No,
Leo. I don't know what you...
I don't know what you're talking about the name
but um don't the it's not vikings it's not vikings um no no none of these things is what
i'm talking about but what i'm saying guys is um sub sub sub hundred k let's just say
let's just say it might be helpful to be a ninja holder well i've got a ninja somewhere i should
join the discord it was in a team wallet with with my frogs but um yeah what i'm saying is like
sub 100k art inscribed on the mother chain the mother chain is the mother of all chains do not
be fooled by the absolute cowboy shiny new thing like short attention spanned crazy flipper aspect of the space
and just just think deeply about things because we're in a point right now where
if you are thinking deeply and you do allocate some capital in the right place it may age very
well it may not but you know you look at these other chains and you look at how long it
took and and then you look at what we're doing here and and it all makes sense so exactly what
leo just said i think it works for runes it works for dog like don't be fooled that it's not going
to work for art on the mother chain it's gonna dude and we're fucking early and it's like so
cliche to even say that shit mac but like
you're spot on dude like people don't know they're in a fishbowl until they they step out of the
fishbowl and look at look at it from like above you know what i mean so just remind yourself
people that like and i was saying this earlier we're in a digital renaissance we're at the start
of it and when something starts out amazing um or like just
something so big tech wise a lot of people are gonna doubt it and it was the same thing when
the internet popped off you know people were doubting emails people were doubting buying stock
in google like you know what i'm saying like all the same stuff applies to this so it's like
you know remember that and remember x copy was signed for five
dollars to fifteen dollars in 2018 all right and he just kept going and that's what you want to
look for when you're uh trying to invest in artists as an artist myself dude like didn't go
nowhere in the bear market i know who the fuck stayed dude you know and i'm investing in those
people you know so that's important.
Love it.
Very wise words there, no face.
Okay, I'm still curious what was going on with Trevor, but maybe we'll find out soon.
Mopar, how's it going?
What's up?
Hello, everyone.
Do I sound okay?
I'm just in the car. Yeah great okay wonderful so um i'm hoping that i can you guys might be able to point me in
the right direction um a lot of um me and my friends inscribed projects sub one milli um
and haven't done anything with them and when it was like really skyrocketing around that time
um you know there was a couple of discords where you could actually advertise selling projects as
a whole um because i don't actually want to do anything with it um is there anywhere that you
can do that because i know there are a few other people that want to sell projects as as a as you know if if nfts or ordinals you know when they come back not if but when um i don't know
just some advice around that oh that's a really good question as far as like
no no as far as the specific like chat for like OTC and collections, I'm not familiar. Like there are different, you know, the ordinal space is like very distributed. So there's like tons of different discords and it's like hard to point you in like one OTC place for this kind of stuff.
It depends on what it is.
You would basically just message people and the word would get out.
Yeah, honestly, tweet about it and just say, I have this collection.
Is anyone interested?
Probably the most efficient way.
But you can just message people as well and they can kind of connect you or see and word will get out that there's something for sale.
And maybe it gets to the right person who's interested, maybe.
Okay, I appreciate that. Sorry, that's not super helpful but no no no i just wanted to know if there's anything i
think when when ordinals like when when stuff moves moves from memes back to nfts ordinals
um you know something like that might come to the forefront again so that's good thank you very much
to the forefront again.
So that's good.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, totally Mopar.
Good luck with your collection.
I also have a collection
similar situation
that I inscribed sub 100K
that I've just held
for like, you know,
two and a half years now.
I haven't done anything with
and I'm not going to mint it
or anything.
So, you know,
I honestly don't know
what I'm going to do with it.
But yeah.
Okay.
Jan, we got you back as the co-host.
Can you hear me?
Or no, you're still speaker.
You rugged earlier.
I can't hear him if he's speaking.
I can't either.
He might be rugged.
Yeah, I think he's rugged.
Rip.
Okay.
Well, we'll get Jan back here. Wow, we've been going for a while. We, I think he's a rug. Rip. Okay. Well, we'll get Yon back here.
Wow, we've been going for a while.
We've been going for a good bit.
We're bringing Mac back up.
Almost hitting the three and a half hour mark.
And look at that audience.
It is an amazing, beautiful audience.
We've got the best in here, best on the speaker panel,
best up in the audience.
And I think I speak for everyone when we say we appreciate all of you guys for coming to hang out in the Ordinal Show with Leonidas, Trevor, and Jan.
Oh my god, it's such a breath of fresh air having Cynthia replace Jan as co-host.
My heart just grew, not just three times, but four times as large.
Honestly, Trevor, we may actually need to find a co-host, not because we kicked Jan off,
but because Jan, he's going to retire off these Moonbird bags.
They're up to like $15,000 each right now, and that's like, I'm not joking.
Like, Jan's doing really well in his Moonbird position, which is like pretty insane.
But like, yeah, Moonbirds are up 20x are up moonbirds are up 20x in three months no way dude that's so awesome that's so good to hear i agree i mean i mean i mean i don't have
any so it sucks for me but like i'm you know actually like to see people win you know and
it's like dude like look nfts coming back is like so
bullish for everyone's bags period like every single person here holds a bunch of nfts i know
you do um i still hold a ton of ethereum nfts quite frankly um but i think it's like nfts are
an asset class and nfts doing well on ethereum means nfts are going to do well on bitcoin um
yeah it's exciting but jan jan has the trade of the
the trade of the month i think with his moon holding it holding his i'm curious let's bring
him back up here i want to see if he's got any plans if he has a target price for his moon birds
jan keeps coming up and dropping down he's obviously having issues guys
we'll get him back up here though don't worry go what's going on with you man how you doing good good bro just uh keeping busy i'm actually while while i was listening to
everyone i was in the process of uploading some uh some gifts uh that we've been working on for
for dog and not gifts the gifts have been uploaded we needed like a sticker pack man so that way we could have fun uh texting while
we're texting people and uh it's it's so much better it looks cleaner instead of just sending
a gif right because it's transparent and it was quite the work and uh yeah man other than that
everything is great like super super pumped super bullish just like uh always enjoying the bitcoin pumps and uh it's crazy man like like it's almost
as if nothing is happening uh i think the biggest like euphoria period that i had was literally in
uh in 2016 2017 like i think that was it after that after that cycle it just has never hit the same. Okay, maybe a little bit in 2021, but that's about it, because we all know where it's going.
At least at the most minimum, like a million.
Of course, not in this cycle, but the end goal is a 10 million for every Bitcoin.
but to this the end goal is a 10 million for for every Bitcoin so like what what
could possibly happen right now for us to get you for it if we know that it's
it's getting over there I take house words not with a grain of salt but I
take it to the heart so and then kind of go through are you just toddling yeah are you just like modeling your
bitcoin like you have you ever plan to sell bro yeah i i do actually i and not not fully not not
ever fully poured out but just like like chipping away at it that's that's like that's that's going
to be my strategy just like like every now and then just chip away and and do something with it more like an experience i guess but
it's like i don't know i i would feel really bad uh investing into like property or something with
with bitcoin i've i've learned my mistake a fucking uh 2020 actually like i was in the process of
getting a house freaking uh btTC was around like 10,000.
It was right before that move, man.
I bought a house.
I used the 27 BTC for the freaking down payment.
The house itself has just accumulated like 400K, but that's like straight up, man, like
7.2, 2.7 million and even more right now if I had just like held on to it.
But like someone said earlier, I was listening to him and I could kind of relate.
It's like, yeah, you get like, you're like, OK, what the hell, man?
That's like 2.7 mil.
But at the same time, like I have a family now.
I have a kid and we're actually
enjoying it, having our own place and raising a family and just growing a family over here. So
it kind of balances it out. But if I had spent it on like a car or something or I don't know,
anything else, it would have stung and and man like my journey's
been pretty fucking crazy with with Bitcoin like I literally like I had a ton of BTC bro like I'm
talking about like the eight figures BTC just like just just stuck and and stuck in a way.
I had, at that time, it was treasure, basically.
That was like the go-to hardware wallet.
And I got it.
I was excited.
It was accumulated, basically, when we were mining and all the way from 2013 to the end of 2014.
And then my friend and I were like,
let's put's let's uh
put put this in cold storage so we did and my smart ass if you want to call it that dumb ass
i freaking put the the extra passphrase protection on it bro i i put that and at that time btc was
around like 300 400 bucks and uh and i just like left it over there, right?
Like I knew I wasn't going to touch it anytime soon. And then some emergency situation happened
in life sometime around like 20, 2015, mid 2015, I realized I can't, I can't get in it, man. I had
a freaking heart attack and I've started just doing research, like how I could recover it.
attack and I started just doing research like how I could recover it. Luckily, I had saved the 24
words, of course. And another lucky thing that happened was I had used the wallet address
and I had saved it in like an old USB file, in a zip file. And if I didn't have those two things, it would have been long gone.
But thankfully, there was this really cool script, and it was called BTC Recovery.
And basically, yeah, starting from 2025, I found out about that script. You basically feed it the address, the Bitcoin address, right, that you remember
that was attached to that 24-word seeds, and then you feed it the 24-word seeds.
And then you basically provided a text file with all the possible passwords that you think
passwords that you think that you might have put. And so I did. And like my computer was really
that you might have put.
shitty at that time. And it took a while. Like I was just boot forcing on a daily basis, bro,
like nonstop. I did it from from 2015 all the way till 2020. And that's that's that's like it was
around like late 2020 when I realized what the fuck, like it actually found the passphrase that I had and it had, and it was like such a stupid little like thing that I thought of at that time.
I don't know what the fuck I was thinking.
And it's like, I got it, man.
I got access back to it and everything changed.
I couldn't believe it.
Like I just, first person I told about it was was my mom uh and and and like i just like just went back i and then came back
i'm like what the fuck like i have access to the btc now and uh yeah so i was kind of like forced
it was a forced huddle it was the force bro you got lucky you literally got so lucky it was gonna be gone yeah
that's crazy yeah yeah it was gonna be good if sold it ghost you realize like i'm not speaking
for you but most people dude i wish i wish yeah same trevor same i was basically similar to ghost
in that 2014 i was mining some bitcoin bought some bitcoin dude 2017 rolled around you know
i'm like 20 years old. It's like,
I'm going to sell my Bitcoin. I did like a 10X, you know, it's like, that's a huge win.
You needed that PS5 at the time, you know? I'm not joking. That's how I was thinking,
Trevor. It's like looking back, obviously dumb, but yeah, man, it's like, it's the
huddle thing is not actually very easy. Like it's very very hard Yeah, all kinds of psychological things happen and like it's life, right?
You're like fuck like let me let me live a little but it doesn't even like cross your mind
but like my situation
100% if I had access to the BTC
I was for sure gonna spend it because I had to like I needed the money at that time and
There was no way if I if I opened that up like half of it would be gone right there and then
and and man like it was crazy like literally like a forced huddle and
Yeah, like but but yeah, just in case anyone over here like you you end up putting a passphrase on your
on your Bitcoin wallet and
You still happen to have like the 12 words
and and at least one one address, just know that there's there's a chance that you could
still like recover your your your funds, it's gonna take some time and it all depends on
how many characters it is like if it's like over eight, then fuck it might take it might
take a freaking over a century.
We're talking about millions of years.
But if it's under eight characters,
you still have a pretty good chance of cracking it
with some really nice computers.
Bro, I'm going to be honest.
That was a roller coaster.
I was having anxiety during that
because everybody here is like, that's their worst nightmare, right? It's like, you know
You don't understand I was dead inside every time there was like some type of pump or something about bit
I just believed in it so much. I believed in it so much when I was still not able to access it
I was like fuck no if someone asked me about Bitcoin
Like I'm gonna hundred percent like just let them know that it's
the freaking hardest shit ever but every time like there was like some type of pump you don't
understand bro like you're like what the fuck like it's imagine being that guy imagine being that guy
who's trying to find his shit in the fucking dump the dumpster right eight billion or something
yeah magic there's an update on that leroy there's
an update on that that dude so that dude is apparently trying to do an ordinals collection
for 26 million dollars so that he can buy the landfill and then if he if he finds the money
he will split it with you this is like not a joke i mean I would dedicate my life to it too, honestly.
I mean, what else are you gonna
do, bro? Like, go
work a job.
Tell me what job you're gonna go work with that shit
in the back of your mind. I wouldn't be able to do a
fuck thing, but look
for that fucking...
It is kind of...
Yeah, that's...
That's kind of... Yeah, like're you just kind of fucked yourself like for the rest of your life i
feel like it's like mentally you're just not going to be able to work you know what i'm saying it's
like it's just not gonna happen fuck that fuck that i hope he finds it though i hope he finds it
yeah for the it's like it's like you have a net worth of $10 billion,
except you can't access it.
So you're like making like 15 bucks an hour,
like grinding,
grinding like really hard work for an hour to make $15.
Like that.
Yeah.
Mentally,
I don't,
I would not be able to work.
I would do.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'd be in the landfill digging too.
Hell yeah.
Hands and knees.
Can you guys hear me now?
Yeah.
Okay, good. I'm back. I've been trying to get on for the past 15 minutes this fucking internet is really driving me crazy but are you
guys talking about the guy who gave up on the bitcoin on the landfill well so ghost shared his
story which is actually really interesting he hasn't shared much of that publicly that i'm aware
of i think most people knew he was pretty OG.
But yeah, I mean, I'll just summarize like super quickly
so the ghost doesn't have to say it again.
Ghost mined a bunch of Bitcoin in like 2013, 2014 era
and then locked it up in a treasure,
obviously cold storage, you know, smart guy, right?
Doing what you're supposed to do.
But then I think he like screwed up
and like somehow wasn't able to access the Bitcoin.
I'm not sure, Ghost, you could maybe fill in
exactly how that happened.
But the bottom line was he didn't know his password
to the Trezor.
Like, you know how you can like set a password
on your experts and stuff or whatever?
Somehow like he needed that.
That was the piece of the equation
to get back into the Bitcoin.
And he used some like
expensive computer and software and for five years tried to brute force the password. So he was
forced to like go through 2016 and 2017, all that craziness, you know, holding Bitcoin from 300 to
20K, right? And just having to watch the price go crazy. And then all of a sudden in 2020, just randomly the thing, you know, it's like a math thing, right?
So it's just a probability.
Eventually it hit and he got access to his Bitcoin again and was basically, you know, obviously I'm sure that was a pretty life-changing moment.
And yeah, you know, like got super lucky when you think about it.
It's like the best thing that ever could have happened to Vito was that he forgot that password
because then he didn't, you know, sell all of his Bitcoin when most people did.
Like I was saying I did.
I don't know.
Trevor may have had experiences like that.
It's like if you buy something and it goes up 5x, 10x, the vast, vast, vast, vast majority
of people are going to sell.
It's just what you do. That was me. That's vast vast majority of people are going to sell it's just what you do that was
me that's like a lot of people um and it probably maybe would have been ghost except he literally
was forced to hold his bitcoin yeah yeah i i uh i did so how i found out that i can't access it was
when i really needed it i was trying to tap into it so I could cover this like last second emergency
expense that popped up. So if I had access to it, it was for sure going to be gone. We're like 100%.
And man, it's crazy. And what the past, it's not really a password, it's a passphrase,
basically. The passphrase is like the, think of. Like if you have 20, if you have 24 words, right?
Like for the seed, the, the passphrase is like the 25th word, but that 25th word is, is something that, that you thought of at that time.
So even if you open up the 2046 words that, that, that are in the, uh, in the, uh, the mnemonics, like the, you still wouldn't be able to find it.
But yeah, man, like and and i had i had
no idea what the heck i was doing i was just so desperate i was like i need to learn this btc
recovery and i think the guy that that released it his name was gurney or something i had hit him up
and you know i was just bugging the guy every day i was like bro like i, I'll pay you whatever it is. Just take some time to just teach me how to, like, it was a Python.
It was all with Python, basically.
And he did, he guided me a lot.
And, of course, like, I took care of him.
But, man, like, it's crazy, bro.
It's been a journey.
And after that happened, I was like, fuck, man.
Never again, like, never to the passphrase
like i think that 12 words is is enough and uh yeah i feel like i love that the takeaways you
moved from 24 to 12 words that was the lesson i love it yeah yeah exactly it's 20 it's not even
12 words freaking 24 words and then yeah i had to to add that like additional like passphrase to it.
Man, oh, I even, we even, we even went to, you know, Defcon, right? Like we, like the same friend
that I was mining with. So at that time there, there was going to be an event at Defcon where
people were, were, were saying that you could literally get the treasure
and you could somehow extract the memory on the chip that was on the treasure.
So we got the treasure and we literally flew out to Las Vegas to learn more about it.
I got the guy's contacts information,
but then there was this other thing on the line because it wasn't like a hundred
percent, right? Even, even if they did get the, get the seed somehow,
uh, have you, have you guys seen like how, how, how, how that's done?
Like there's, there's ways of people being able to like extract information out
of a chip. They basically like sand it down and and they hook up like some things to it and they're able to read
some some of the data like of on the chip and like i was like man i was that desperate again
and and we went and and they said that there's like a 50 50 chance that like it might it might
get ruined i was like uh i i don't know about that but
man the experience was cool and i'll tell you guys this much like at that time
when when we were mining my my friend and i we would just sit there and like just think of think
of like numbers right like like how how how high could how high could it go and and like in our
little minds and we were like 22 23 years old like we we thought
that if it hits like a thousand like that's then that's like freaking perfect and we we were planning
on just cashing out of course like so some of it and uh yeah man i'm i'm so glad like it it it
happened that way and it's it's been a it's been a cool cool uh journey i would
say yep that's that's that's what it is yeah well make sure yeah you you figure out a way to store
your dog where that doesn't happen um i i hate i literally hate hearing stories like that i
i'm not gonna say who but somebody somebody I know who's not part of the space right
now, um, had their car broken into and backpack stolen that had their ledger in it. Uh, this was
a couple of weeks ago. And then the poor guy, you know, he's like, okay, it's not a big deal.
I have my seed phrase goes back. The seed phrase wasn't written down correctly so lost
access to a lot of money um not good yeah it's like yeah the seed phrase thing is tough the
seed phrase thing is tough um we have a special individual on stage today who has decided to drop
by wonderful friend of the ordinal show eli earth what's up man
yeah what did i just walk into i feel sorry for your friend like i it's really interesting um
like i think that that's one aspect of the of this space that obviously
like i i i completely like love the whole self-custodial aspect of it but i think that
um is is still a hurdle, really.
Like, I think it's something that, you know,
needs to be overcome in some respects
or people need to kind of, like, check out,
I mean, this is not a shill for them,
but, you know, check out products like Casa
or, like, that's why, like, institutions
are still going to be using Coinbase and whatnot, I assume.
So it's like, yeah, it's a tricky one.
Like, sometimes you think about, like,
I guess it's always worth, like, re So it's like, yeah, it's a tricky one. Like sometimes you think about, like, well, I guess it's always worth like reevaluating, particularly when Bitcoin
is pumping the way it is. It doesn't matter if you have the tiniest bit. In fact,
what really stuck with me one day was in a group chat with Cypher. I haven't seen Cypher around in
a while, but he was saying like, if he had 0.005, which is what, like, you know, at 100k,
it was 500 bucks, a little bit more than 500 bucks of Bitcoin in an account.
Like, he'd be making sure that that's, like, nice and secure.
So, basically, like, secure your Bitcoin.
Like, think about where it is.
Think about how you hold it.
Think about how you back up your seed phrases.
You know, look at different ways of doing that.
You know, check out the products that allow you to do it safely.
And like you said, like, I don't know, it's a tough one.
Yeah.
Like your friend didn't have their seed phrase written down correctly.
Their ledger got stolen.
Like, should you be taking your ledger in the car around the, like, yeah,
there's so much opsec that we always need to think of.
But yeah, I guess like when Bitcoin pumps,
it's always a good time just to be like, okay, where's my Bitcoin?
How do I store it?
You know, where am I at?
How am I at with my passwords and all that sort of thing?
Very like, very pertinent stuff.
But I saw, yeah, Bitcoin all time high, the Ordinal Show.
I saw Yarn was posting stuff about Bitcoin Summit.
It's all very exciting.
Yarn, it's looking good.
The art curation is like was wild. Like. I don't know how many responses we had. I know that
Elmo and Yara Spiusa were absolutely under siege with people submitting their art,
which is super healthy, really great to see.
It is. I mean, I'm blown away because, man, I'm so busy with everything else that I don't even
have time to pay attention to these details. And'm just like leaving leaving the guys from the bitcoin art society and like you
guys to handle it because i just you know there's just way too many things on my mind right now and
things uh you know get changed and people cancel and this and i need to work on a lot of stuff so
like i i really have no time to pay attention to it, but I heard that there was so many submissions,
which is pretty cool.
And also we're trying to put together
like an art panel during the Bitcoin Summit, obviously.
So we're working on that.
We're trying to get some really cool Chinese artists involved
because even though, yes, we're going to do majority
of our talks in English because that's just, you know, people in Hong Kong and people that are
going to be flying from around the world, they obviously speak English, are likely going to do
some like Chinese talks as well, but not that many. But we would love to get some like local
artists involved, even if let's say they don't speak very
good english if they are great artists we want to get them involved somehow so we're working on that
hopefully we can finalize it pretty soon and uh yeah it's going well guys i mean it's uh
i think the biggest stress for me just starting right now because we're like 15 days away so uh
you know tickets are selling i think we're definitely 15 days away. So, you know, tickets are selling. I think we're definitely going to sell it out
because we have around 2,000 people who already registered
and the space can only halt.
Like if everybody shows up at the same time,
which obviously never happens,
but if everybody shows up at the same time,
we can probably fit like 1,000 people at a time
and we already have 2 000 people
registered so you know i think i think it's gonna be good um so that's bullish and uh and yeah i'm
still trying to confirm some really cool speakers uh some hopefully some surprises if i can if i can
lock it in uh i think it's it's hard because some of these big names,
you know, they're just,
it's not even that they would ask for payment for speaking.
That's not the case at all.
It's just like aligning with their schedule
is just like almost impossible.
What does Trevor charge you to fly out?
Trevor?
Trevor, oh my God.
We signed an NDA.
So, you know, I cannot talk about it.
I don't charge him anything.
I just request a personal massage, and it has to be him.
And yeah, I can't substitute for anyone with real training.
Yeah, so yeah, I mean, Trevor still owes me the title of his talk.
I hope you, Trevor, are going to send it to me after the show,
because we got to put it on the...
I sent my title.
Yeah, your title is in.
Leo, your title is in.
I like it.
That's going to be dope.
And Trevor needs to send me a title of his.
And I am finalizing like two more that I'm still pending on response
from a couple people.
But yeah, the agenda is going to go live.
Actually, it's not going to be finalized probably today,
but we're still going to put it out just for people to see what they can expect.
I think a bunch of those talks are going to be fucking awesome.
So I think people are going to love it.
And yeah, if I can look in a couple of those surprise guests,
if I can make it happen, that would be so fucking great.
But we'll see.
That doesn't really depend on me.
I'm trying really hard, but we'll see if those guys will have time and uh and yeah it's gonna be it's
gonna be great uh the next two weeks are gonna be fucking crazy but yeah guys if you if you're still
thinking about coming you have to do it now because we're gonna sell it out we probably have
like 100 more tickets remaining and after that we're just gonna lock it out and uh and no more
people are gonna be allowed to buy a ticket because i'm just afraid that even if like one
quarter of the people shows up at the same time it's still gonna be pretty packed so so we cannot
really we cannot really do anything about the fill it up yon fill it up fill it up no we want to fill
it up of course we want to fill it up we want to fill it up but man like you know the bitcoin asia guys because we have this
partnership with them and and so they were also like selling some like well tickets and other
tickets and and bitcoin summit access was part of it and uh and they told me like man like we're
like already like three times over capacity like you know if if like everybody shows up at the same
time then like you're fucked and i'm like okay i i guess i would better be fucked with a lot of people
showing up than than nobody showing up so uh i think it's a good problem to have yeah i think
we're gonna be good but but still like you know definitely guys if you're still thinking about
coming like lock it in now uh because it's gonna be quite difficult figuring things out like two days before the
event so so do it do it now and uh and yeah i will see you there i know i know that trevor is
coming the pizza ninja community they're coming a bunch of the other communities the dog army is
coming of course and uh tuxedo army is coming as well um you know can we can we yeah can we have
the pizza ninjas next to the dog stuff
like can that be like can they can we like place them next because there's kind of like a bromance
going on between our community well i think it's already i think it's already that well well the
well depends what the what you guys want to do i mean i i don't want to talk about the stuff that
you guys are doing trevor because i don't want to spill any beans but no spill it you know
spill it for the people in the audience based on the conversations that i guys are doing, Trevor, because I don't want to spill any beans. No, spill it. Spill it for the people in the audience.
Based on the conversations that I've had with Special and there's some activation being
done.
And if you guys are going to have those people showing up, you can basically go and hang
out wherever you want, right?
So the way we do it is like I told you guys before.
So we actually don't have that many booths
because most of the people don't want to have a booth.
They would rather just have some sort of activation
running around the venue,
having some other ways to kind of engage with the audience.
And I think it's actually smart
because the way it's set up
is that we're directly
connected to the exit of the bitcoin asia venue so basically you go to bitcoin asia you exit and
the first thing you see is like a huge freaking arch entrance arch that says bitcoin summit the
number one bitcoin builder event in the world and you can actually see through what's
happening in the foyer where are we gonna have the inflatables we're gonna have bunch of stuff and so
so even if people will not have a ticket to go to bitcoin summit they will still be able to see
what's going on and you will be able to engage with them so if you have if you're not let's say
if you don't have a specific booth but let's say, if you don't have a specific booth, but let's say quote unquote, you have a mascot that is running around the venue, it's actually better
for you because you can engage with people like 10,000 people that are coming for Bitcoin Asia
and not just people that are coming to Bitcoin Summit. So from that perspective, it's actually
much better than having just like a stationary booth that is there and like you have to sit there it's
actually better if you can move around the venue flexibly so i'm sure that trevor is working on
it's like going to a wedding it's like going to a wedding or a party where you're not seated and
you get to roam around so it's a nice analogy yeah i think it's better you know like i mean
some people want to have a booth because some people have something to show and this and that
but like most of the people didn't want to do it and you know i mean it's totally up to them uh but but you know i think
it's better i think it's better if you can just move around if you can engage with people across
the board because again there is going to be around if not 10 000 there's going to be around
five six thousand that day going through the venue because Bitcoin Asia will have the second day.
They only have it from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m.
We have it until 5 p.m.
So there is like, there is an overlap,
but it's not 100% overlap.
Eric Trump is speaking during that day.
So that's probably going to attract a lot of people to come.
And so if you
can utilize that for more eyeballs and more engagement with the people coming, I think
that's the best ROI. So I'm very happy about that. Now it depends on you guys, how smart you guys
going to be around about it and what you can do with it can do with it so so that's that's kind of how
we set it up and I'm pretty excited about it we'll see we'll see what happens the party's gonna be
off the off the hook though I'm telling you guys right now like if you're in Hong Kong and and yeah
you don't come to that part like if you see the venue you're gonna flip out like it's sick and of course uh uh trevor man that's gonna be
the only man you know what is super bullish about the party that you guys are doing is that there
is no other party that day because bitcoin asia has uh has a party on friday and it's very late
night that's some crazy bar like whatever and it's you need to pay like 50 50 us dollars to even get in
because it's a limited space so they cannot like offer it to everybody for free but on thursday
there is no other party and uh so i think that's pretty cool because most of the people as i'm
as i'm hearing they're flying in on like let's say the 25th or maybe 26th. And so they're going to be there from the 26th or maybe 27th morning
until let's say Saturday morning.
And so like the party on Thursday that you guys are doing is going to be great
because there's no other party happening.
I mean, we have the list of all the events.
I can actually maybe pin it a little bit later
because there is a bunch of stuff that is happening.
There's a bunch of people organizing different side events.
I think it's cool that you come and you can actually attend like five different events every day uh depending on what you want to achieve so that's the experience that
you want to create but your party is going to be cool and it's also close to the main venue
it's not very far away so it's all in the same area meaning that if you book a hotel in that area
then you're good to go.
Like, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have to stress about anything.
You can just, like, get a cab in five minutes. You're everywhere.
So I think that's fucking awesome.
Yeah, for sure.
We were having trouble finding a good place because Special said that it was, like, one of Trevor's requests to have, like, nice big LED screens.
requests to have nice big LED screens.
Man, actually, a dog army was able to hook us up,
literally find us one of the sickest places.
I'm like, bro, when we get there,
we got you because it's exactly what we needed.
That's that and a cool little alpha,
just a little spill here and there.
It looks like from the way things seem to be going
that every time there's like a big event like this,
it might just be like a collab with pizza ninjas
and dog and like dog of Bitcoin.
So I love it.
Like it's like one of the best type of like communities, right?
Like we're mainly like about runes, about dog.
Yeah, we have ordinals,
but, and then you have the pizza ninjas and all pizza ninja guys hold dog and, and all, almost
all the dog holders that, that, that understand the project, they hold a ninja. So it, it works
out. Like it never gets in the way. And then, uh, like what, what this does is just enable us to
like do even crazier things right like if the
budget was x amount now it's like xx and man like sky's the limit so definitely pumped for that and
we're kind of actually talking about like korea so that that that too might might be a thing
that's it by the way guys i i no no go ahead go ahead guys trevor or eli oh no i was just gonna say unless you wanted to
i was gonna circle back to the to the art curation because the current the comment about korea um
reminded me of something so i wanted to bring it up but you say what you're gonna say and then i'll
bring it up so what i wanted to say i see that leo leopin the tweet that i posted a couple days ago
and you should definitely go check it out.
So this is what I was talking about.
This is the entrance.
Like we're going all out.
I want to make sure that everybody fucking notices what we're doing, even if they don't have a ticket for Bitcoin Summit because they, you know, were not interested or maybe they didn't know about it because I don't know for whatever reason they didn't see my tweet or they didn't get the memo.
It doesn't matter.
But there's going to be obviously 10,000 people in town for the Hong Kong Bitcoin week. And so even if you don't have a ticket,
I just really want to make sure that people get the phone and they see what we're doing.
And so we're doing this big ass arch. It's like eight meters long or something like that. And
and obviously we're we're like putting all the sponsor logos there all the supporters because we wouldn't be able to do it without them and then we
also have the screen if you can see on the and i'm not going to tell you what is on the other side
because i think that's that's cool uh just kind of uh did some other thing on the inside so that
people are encouraged to take pictures and post it on socials. I think that's going to be pretty cool what's on the inside.
But on the outside is a screen.
So we have like 55 inch screen and I'm still trying to figure out what we're going to play there.
Because my initial idea, I'm still trying to get Arjun from Kraken, but you know, I don't know,
he's not responding to me now, so he probably he's probably not interested.
I saw that somebody from his team is is is in is in Hong Kong, but maybe he's not going to me now so he probably he's probably not interested I saw that somebody from his team is is is in is in Hong Kong but maybe he's not
gonna be make it himself I was like hey Arjun if you come over I am gonna put the
dock price and the Bitcoin price live feed powered by Kraken you know for free
I'm just gonna put it in there but he didn't even respond to that. So we'll see what happens
But but let me know guys if you have some ideas what we should put on the screen
I mean, obviously art is gonna be inside
But I want to do something that could encourage people to just like, you know, be attracted to it
Take pictures with it something cool something funny
Whatever it is like like I want to figure out what to put on that screen.
Obviously, like the Bitcoin price live feed is like an obvious choice because I think it makes sense to do.
But if you guys have any cool other ideas what to put on there, let me know.
We can we can definitely discuss it.
Yeah, we could manifest the dog logo on Xverse, basically, until the year is over.
A big one of that, I think it'll work perfectly.
Needs to happen.
But I was going to say back to...
It has to happen.
Yeah, Jan, you work at Xverse, make it happen.
So back to the art curation, I think it's going to be really interesting
because I think obviously we see a lot of Bitcoin art
being presented at the various inscribing events,
so like across the States typically,
and also recently at Bitcoin Vegas, which is awesome.
But Asia, it's so important to explore that market.
So to have the art curation at the Bitcoin Summit
and then recently at Gamma we worked with some people
at Chijin Gallery in Beijing to have a whole bunch
of ordinals art, Bitcoin art, displayed from Gamma partner artists.
And I don't know if I'm allowed to say it or not,
but there's an artist in the audience who is most likely
going to be displaying their artwork in Korea.
That's why before when you mentioned Korea,
it sort of like sparked that memory.
So I think it's really, if you haven't looked up Stephen Rice
and read his article about, obviously having Bitcoin art
is incredible because we get all of the beautiful things
that we love about ordinals with its permanence
and immutability and it's on Bitcoin and whatnot.
But doing these sorts of things, making the art culturally relevant,
that is going to be so important
and is something that we really need to be pushing and seeing.
And that's how you kind of like,
I don't even want to say about onboarding people
and taking it to the masses and whatnot.
That's all kind of inferred here.
But making it culturally relevant,
bringing it to these sorts of events and galleries across
asia uh as well because we don't see as much of it in asia yet i think is a massive opportunity
in a way that you do uh get more people with like eyes on and they see it as real and legitimate
art outside of like the kind of like little bubble that we live in on um you know on on
crypto twitter so it's it's fantastic stuff so yeah i'm stoked that there is this art corner
and hats off to the bitcoin art society for sponsoring it also like you know it's a pleasure
to work with them from gamma and also with edit super chief so yeah like uh keep it up so if there
is going to be an event at korea we just need to keep doing it because it keeps that art um
culturally relevant which again i encourage you to read that article by Stephen Rice, because
it's a completely different lens to look at it through. Like we just had Lemon Haze
presented at a gallery in Montreal. You know, Burst has some of his works being displayed at
a contemporary museum in Vienna. So it's exciting stuff. Although it's a bit sad that you can kind of like list them, you know, all on one hand in terms of like, how many examples there
are, like soon you won't be able to and that's like where we're heading. So it's exciting.
Yeah, man, and we're also gonna have Blau's song playing in the summit just confirmed with him today because I was like, hey, can
I do it?
Or is it some sort of copyright?
He said, I can do it.
No problem.
So we're going to probably turn that song that is inscribed on Bitcoin from Blau into
like a welcome song to the Bitcoin summit.
It's pretty cool.
I remember we had Swapsky last year or two years ago.
He also composed the song. Unfortunately, I haven't seen him around too much.
So I don't know if he's still here, but that song could have been on Bitcoin too, you know, now for not that much money.
So it's cool to see that this stuff is happening.
And we definitely want to showcase that because obviously we have the art, we have the collections, we have the communities showing up, we have the meme coins showing up, we have the builders showing up.
It's cool to see this kind of tech or this lore that you can actually put anything on blockchain that is the number one blockchain in the world.
And it's actually not even that crazy, especially during this time.
Of course it's going to get more expensive in the future, but right now it's relatively okay to do that.
And I think we need to celebrate those things.
I know that Bunzy also did something similar.
They were doing some music,
and Trevor did it with Pizza Pets and stuff like that.
I mean, it's really cool.
We need to highlight these kinds of things, right?
Yeah, 100%.
Violetta.
Oh, sorry, Doug.
Yeah, Violetta is obviously a classic example of a musician
who's put plenty of music out.
Yeah, Bunzzy and Hathbanger and Skrilla with beat blocks
and Jim with like audio and alls and whatnot.
So, yeah, I think that that's a good idea, by the way,
because obviously like music is like art and music is art,
but like having that music, it's so relatable for people.
And then when they realize that it's on Bitcoin,
I'd be like, it is certainly mind-blowing for them.
So it's about being exposed to it in a very real way.
So great idea.
Yeah, I was just going to say, the Crypto Saiyan is a really great artist that makes a lot of the intro.
He makes his own music, and I just use it as an intro for the Dog Millionaire show.
It's about dog, it's about Bitcoin.
And I love it.
I love the music itself.
So I'll send you some of his tracks, Jan, if you would consider to put him on he's a great artist
He should put some of his his work on chain. So we'll probably encourage him to do that
Maybe yeah, man, like guys send me anything right like, you know, like we want to highlight it
Like I usually don't do it randomly because I know some people maybe but heard about me using their stuff
And you know, like I actually remember like Swapsky,
like I invited him like for Ordnance Asia to come over and like, you know,
to obviously this and like he wouldn't do it for free.
So like I usually don't take stuff, you know,
of other people without any notice or anything like that,
because, you know, again, we cannot afford, you know,
just flying people from across the world to attend the event and do something because, I mean, our budget is not a Coinbase budget.
We don't have like $3 million to just spend on an event to do that.
So we have to kind of like come together as a community and crowdfunded it in a sense.
But, you know, if you have any friends that obviously are doing cool shit and want to have it highlighted, we can try our best.
I cannot promise that we can highlight everybody.
But the art is highlighted by the guys of Bitcoin Art Society.
Playing a song at the beginning, of course, we would want to do that anyway.
So we can definitely do that.
And we also have the screen at the beginning of course we would want to do that anyway so we can definitely do that and uh we also have the screen at the entrance you know like if you have some some really cool stuff
that you know you think is is going to be memeable or something that people will
like it will catch their eye because they're going to be like oh i've never seen this before
then we can also like do that so uh if you have anything just dm me as soon as possible because
obviously we need to finalize this in the next few days
After that, it's gonna be pretty difficult changing stuff last minute
but if you have anything just please send it over my way and I will do my best to
To accommodate guys then and give you guys the platform
Yeah, I 100% encourage you to just bombard Yarn's DMs. absolutely loves that so go for it i have a quick
idea uh veto i don't know how much time we have and if this is doable but since ptc summit and
the actual uh bitcoin asia is going to be so close maybe it would be like a good idea to put a human-sized dog made of out of quality cup cardboard and cut out the face so that
people can take pictures with it what do you think we're gonna we're gonna have the inflatable uh
oh the inflatable is coming 100 every every everywhere we go that inflatable has has to go
with us it's not gonna be one or the 50 for one no no no
The other one for sure the 50 foot one like they have they'll kick you on it because
man like I was you know one of the downsides of working with
Such a big convention center is that they give you so much shit for everything like I literally have to submit a plan
That is to a centimeter and I cannot change it like next week anymore because they have some regulations. And so that's the
downside. And they said like, guys, like it cannot be higher than three meters in height. If it's
higher than three meters, you have to create some special security report
and you need to submit it a month in advance
and shit like that.
So unfortunately, we cannot be extremely flexible
on these things.
So we have to do the small one, man.
J-Doc, I'm sorry, but we cannot do the one
that would probably take the entire convention center
the entire convention center and make it fly you know
and make it fly, you know?
a mascot would be really cool as well like actual mascot like the same company that made the
inflatable they they have like a full-blown uh version ready already i just have to give them
the go i just don't think we have that much time because it takes it man veto yeah let's
go for vegas next year bro you know i don't know how much these guys how much these guys will charge
you but i found the supplier for mascots that can do like a like a real size mascot for like a
thousand bucks or something and again i'm not going to spill the beans but a bunch of people
are doing it and i think it looks kind of dope and you can basically make sure that you can move around so you're not like
the inflatable is fixated so again that limits the exposure that you can have but if you have
a mascot that can freely move around you can literally just like john what do you mean really
move around yeah is this like a person inside this thing yeah person inside bro like so you have you have you have like uh you have like a suit that is like
custom made for a specific size and that's how we can get leonidas to go and they and they can make
it exactly what you want they can make it like a dog they can make it like uh like a billy cat they
can make it into anything you want it's actually I was surprised how cheap it is I'm gonna build the beans it's Billy it's billion-dollar cat they
have the mascot I mean they're in the audience I don't know I don't know if
they're if they're if they're gonna come up and say yes or no I am NOT I cannot
I cannot confirm neither deny any details of this operation without their
approval but but yeah you know it, it's something that can be done.
Does it have air conditioning inside, bro?
Air conditioning.
I don't know, man.
But I guess you would probably need it in Hong Kong.
Even though, guys, it's getting better,
the weather is getting more chill these days.
It used to be fucking crazy two weeks ago,
but now I think we're at the
point where it's getting better so by the time in two weeks you come i think unless hopefully it's
not going to be any crazy storm or some rain which would kind of ruin the experience but but if it's
going to be like an okay day like for instance today it's actually not that crazy it's around
30 degrees celsius it's not it's not that bad, you know, it's not like 40, you know
I don't know what that means
Yeah, III would love to tell you how much it is in Fahrenheit, but I have no clue guys You have to do complicated way of calculating these things. So I don't know
I just ordered from Chipotle and I ordered a bag of chips
There's like oh shit, man
I to be honest like Chipotle is one of the things that I fucking miss that Asia doesn't have it
Yeah, and you got back here for in and out in Chipotle
No, man in and out. I would never
Overrated and I think it's overrated and I think it's overrated I tried it
I tried it before and it's not that amazing
Like they were selling me how best fries they have and this and that like no the fries
I used to eat that stuff and it's it's not it's not guys are a bunch of haters dude
You guys are the worst fries I've ever had those words to McDonald's fries
I mean in general I don't eat fries but like when somebody tells me
when i went there for the first time like maybe eight years ago i went for the first time to uh
to california and somebody said oh you know now it's the best fucking thing you have to do it
and like they hyped it up so much that i was like disappointed afterwards so so in and out no but
chipotle man like chipotle is fucking game changer
i love that every time i go to the states i want to have chipotle the in and out burgers were
amazing at least in vegas the in and out burgers were fantastic but yeah the fries subpar i was
disappointed by the fries but extremely satisfied with the burger at least the burger is good i
probably prefer a five guys guys. I'm surprised.
Leo, you've used to, I mean, I'm sure before you went vegan, you used to, like, eat meat, right?
Oh, yeah, bro. How can you eat burger when you are vegan?
No, no, no.
You can still be vegan in that.
You just don't get a patty on it.
You don't have the sauce.
But what do you eat then?
No cheese, no sauce.
I mean, it's like when you're vegan, you have to do this at certain places.
So it's like lettuce, tomato, onion, pickles, mustard, ketchup.
I mean, you guys are fucking amazing about it.
You guys are not even a meal.
I don't know what to tell you.
Like, that's the answer.
Did you just describe the salad?
Bro, I can make this kind of burger at home, and I will probably spend 50 cents on it, man.
Why would you go to In-N-Out Burger and pay the price?
Places that do this, they actually charge you way less for the burger when you do it like that.
So, like, if I go to, like, you guys know Jersey Mike's?
I'll go to Jersey Mike's and just get vegetables, and the whole, like, giant sub, which is, like, 16 inches.
Leonidas, you vegan?
Hmm? I mean, I'm vegan.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Since how long?
Four years, maybe, maybe five, maybe four or five.
Yeah, right. Hats off.
How did you decide to become vegan?
Well, it's a good question so
it yeah so it wasn't for like climate change stuff it wasn't for like health reasons i think
it's healthier to not be vegan um it was just for the animal side of things i just didn't want to
participate in that anymore basically i guess this is the
yeah it was literally just that yeah and and i wanted to go vegan before but it's kind of hard
to go vegan and it was it's kind of like mentally a hurdle and just like logistically hard so i
took a while to do it but eventually i went fully is it like is it an evolved like is it an ongoing
journey or do you feel like now you're kind of like on top of it? Did it take a while to kind of nail it?
So my vegan journey was I went fully vegan except for crumble cookies for like six months.
And then I finally cut out the crumble cookies and then I've been fully vegan.
What's crumble cookie, bro?
There are these amazing cookies, Jan.
You should try them.
I don't eat cookies.
I only make my own cookies.
Eli, it turns out like everything.
You got to get some crumble cookies, bro.
You got to get some crumble cookies.
But what is it?
Is it like some big cookie?
They have a Kim Kardashian crumble cookie.
I don't care about Kim Kardashian.
I don't really...
They rotate their menu every other week. I don't care about Kim Kardashian. I don't really... Don't get that one.
They rotate their menu every other week.
Yeah, every week
there's the menu.
I make my own cookies
at home, but I will make it from
I will do oats,
I will do some nuts,
I will make the dough from that.
I literally can't take Jan seriously.
He just said he's going to eat some oats instead of a cookie.
And then I will put protein.
Oh, you make an oat cookie.
I will put protein into it, some collagen.
I will put a couple eggs and I will make it, man.
I will do that.
Yeah.
Some hot water and some raisins.
It has 800 calories, about 800 calories, each cookie from crumble.
Okay, fuck that.
It's nuts.
Man, Leo,
I really want to meet you in person.
I want to see if you're actually...
Yeah, so do I.
Have you noticed...
It is hard keeping muscle mass
when you're vegan, Jan.
It's definitely...
It's hard as fuck, man.
You have to make an effort.
You know, when I tried it,
I tried going vegan after i watched
this netflix documentary what was that like what was it called about the oh yeah but that was so
sensationalized i know the one you're talking about with some of those yeah but it was cool
right like it was it was really hyped up and like it was impressive but it was just sensationalized
but like i got motivated right i got motivated by like maybe for worth a watch like
like six years ago or whenever it came out i got motivated as i was like are you telling me that
these pro athletes all of them are vegan and like this okay i'm gonna try and so i tried it man i
went full vegan for a month and it was the worst experience of my life because nobody could stand around me because i was farting
like crazy because i was only eating like the the pea protein and like you know all these different
things like like the tofu made stuff you know and like my wife was like i'm gonna divorce you
because it was like unbearable man man. And so I gave up afterwards.
I gave up.
You know what's crazy?
You know what's crazy, though?
People don't, a lot of folks don't realize this,
but vegetables have a lot of protein.
And you just have to...
Some vegetables, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not going to say all of them,
but you have to be intentional about what you eat.
You just can't just...
It's just hard, man.
I think it's possible to be vegan and to be extremely healthy and this and that.
But you cannot just switch overnight because your body is going to give you so much shit.
If you have never eaten that stuff and you
start loading it up you know like your body is gonna basically be like what the is this
so you have to get used to it and i just never had the patience uh to to basically do that i just
tried to do all in did it for a month i was like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna see after one week maybe
it's gonna get better after another week maybe it's going to get better. After another week, maybe it's going to get better.
And it never got better.
And when I even tried these smoothies, like I would do these smoothies,
these like protein powder into it.
And then I would do like avocado and spinach and banana.
And I would do all these like super smoothies, man.
And I would just have stomach aches afterwards, you know?
And I was like, okay, I must be allergic to some of this stuff.
And I'm like, I just don't have time trying to figure out what it is.
You're not allergic to vegetables.
You literally just didn't have a balanced diet and you probably didn't transition your diet.
It's like if you move from any diet to any diet, you're going to have issues like that, right?
So you have to.
Did you have issues?
Did you have issues transitioning yourself?
But also you don't like, for example, you're probably imagining I need to have the same amount of protein.
So I'm going to do like 120 grams of pea protein every day.
Well, that's not a good diet.
That's like, that's just objectively in any diet.
That's not going to fuck your gastrointestinal system up, right?
So just, yeah, I don't know.
Like, there's a lot of people that are vegan.
So like, obviously, you can figure it out. It's just, uh,
you have to, you have to actually, like I said, be intentional.
You have to do the research, you know, eat, you can get proper,
you can get proper proteins and vitamins and nutrients from different vegetable,
uh, plant, um, sources and grains to, uh, you grains. I think
one of the easiest ways of the transition
is especially for folks who likes to eat meat
and shit.
Kind of heavier on the grains and
potatoes and
mushrooms.
Play with the mushrooms.
They're a great
substitute
for meat meat for texture
and stuff i know this is why everyone came to this space but um to listen to this i got it
leo leo this is the best look look like you know i'm curious i want leo to walk us through
i'm genuine in this question leo to walk us through like like an average day uh of like chipotle what is chipotle like three times a week
i do a lot bro because for me i only know the meat stuff that they have so what do you eat at
chipotle oh so i mean they have like the protein is they have like black beans finto beans and
this like sofritas which is is like a soy-based meat.
So like those are like, if you're asking about the protein, that's the options.
Yeah, exactly, because I never tried those non-meat proteins in Chipotle.
There's a bunch of companies that are working on cultured meat, which is like actual animal cells.
Is it good?
Right.
Go ahead.
Is it good, the cultured beef i mean i haven't it's you know very early stages but there's a couple companies that are trying to come into
scale where it's like it's like uh it's expensive to like make one thing right or like a few things
but if you all of a sudden start making a billion of the
thing the price per item comes down drastically it's just like how manufacturing works so
they have these like giant manufacturing facilities that are getting built right now
and they have these like huge vats and they basically just grow meat in the vat
and then you know eventually if there's a market for it it'll justify them you know building bigger
and bigger operations.
And then basically you can have like a chicken nugget, for example, that's like actual chicken meat and chicken muscle tissue.
But that wasn't, you know, unethically sourced, right?
Yeah, that makes sense, man.
I used to be super bullish on some of these like impossible burgers like back in the days because it was like
a mania in asia as well like all these companies popping up doing this like alternatives and then
when i looked into it further i learned how it is like that it's basically full of
that is not good for you so i stopped i stopped eating it all together impossible burgers reminds me of like the nasty like tube food
that you see on dystopian future movies kind of yeah kind of but like if it was even for you right
like like there are some of these like foods that are maybe good for you but like like the
impossible burger is not even good for you like i, I get it. Like they, it's basically like a, like a fast food, but it's, it's again, it's much healthier
to just have beef burger without anything. Yeah. There's no question. And I hate it when
vegan people are like making this argument that it's a healthier diet. I think that's
like some weird cognitive bias thing they're doing. But yeah, I mean, look,
there are a hundred companies that create vegetable-based burgers, right? Plant-based
burgers. And like, I agree, Impossible is like the most processed, you know, most engineered one.
And then it's a spectrum. There's tons that aren't, right? So you just have to get the ones that,
you know, would fit your needs. But guys, we don't need to keep talking vegan.
It's like there's – you know, I'm sure there's some vegans here who appreciate it.
You know, we sound like the insane Bitcoin Maxis.
You're not the real Bitcoiner.
Yeah.
Like if you're an insane Bitcoin Maxis.
What is going on?
J-Lo, what do we need to say if we're the Bitcoiners?
Do we have to say like sunscreen isn't real in this title?
Sunscreen is a scam.
That's like five minutes, but goddamn, if you're in here, you've got air in your lungs and you've got your feet under you.
Bitcoin is all time high.
It's a great time to be alive.
It's never been a more exciting time to be a bitcoiner as well with order goals and dog.
And Bitcoin has a face now with the little puppy.
So, I mean, it's phenomenal.
If you're in here and you're breathing and you're witnessing all the time,
God bless you.
Do you know, J-Lo, on that note, I was actually a little bit shocked.
Yesterday, Jan, you'll like this.
I was sitting on the bike exercising.
Jan likes hearing that people exercise as well.
And I was doing a pretty tough threshold sesh,
just if anyone wants any extra information.
But anyway, I was listening to, it was back from Feb 28.
So it was a little, it was, you know, a few months ago now, obviously.
I didn't realize that Adam Back did an interview on the Pump podcast.
I never really listened to the Pump podcast because, you know,
some of his pods are good, but I find his voice,
like, not the most soothing podcast voice.
But this podcast, I was like, I like listening to Adam Back
because he always has a very – he always has a very –
Daddy, do you want a hug?
My daughter's talking to me.
Do I want a hug?
Yeah, come and give me a hug while I talk to you.
But he always has very measured takes, and obviously, you know, Adam Back is Adam Back.
Anyway, I was shocked.
I've never heard him be, I guess, like give price predictions
or be like hyper bullish or anything like that.
But on Feb 28, Adam Back was saying, obviously,
like from a block stream perspective,
that he can see like 500K of the cycles.
That's not financial advice.
But I was just like, when you see bitcoin hit bitcoin hit um 123k overnight in in august it could be a pretty interesting run-up if you kind
of like bitcoin you know historically has kind of like rhymed and so if you think like it hit
its all-time high kind of end of november early december back in 2021 and we're like uh getting
some serious green candles to 123 in august it's pretty crazy
times particularly when you get someone who's very conservative like adam back making like
mega bullish statements back in feb did he say wait he does price predictions before does he
i've only ever heard him be super conservative yeah
yeah yeah he is the bitcoin first of all he's yeah he's like oh gee no no no yeah no he's not
saying no to that he's saying no to the price uh prediction have you heard him he's he's done some
yeah he's done like some well oh really i'd never heard him do it i've always heard him be super
measured so when i heard him uh saying that on the podcast i was kind of blown away but yeah trevor you know so yeah is he is he kind of like um what like
almost one of those kind of like measured earlier oh geez that has also then been like kind of like
yeah yeah yeah of course like he he was kind of like rumored could have been he was the first
person to receive an email from satoshi which is pretty cool but yeah well there's like rumors that he is satoshi i don't think that he is but yeah trevor
it was more i haven't heard him uh give like hyper bullish uh price predictions so anyway i'm more
than happy to be wrong but it was kind of crazy to hear him say 500k i'm like that's you know not
wait yeah that's pretty wild hang on because like no who's satoshi we know already who's
it's craig
right you know that right oh yeah sorry i forgot yeah my fellow aussie yeah i should know that yeah
it's peter it's peter k it's peter k todd yeah it's peter todd from the from the hbo um special
of course we've had him on this show before we've had satoshi on this show yeah he was at the wizards
party in but yeah and i actually um adam Back was on my plane from LA to Vegas,
and I really was like, oh, I should go say hello to him.
And then I chickened out, so it serves me right.
But yeah.
Never meet your heroes, Eli Herff.
I've met you, Trevor.
I'm not your hero.
That was a nice compliment. Did Trevor live up to the hype? I'm excited to hero That was a nice compliment
Did Trevor look up to the hype?
I'm excited to meet Trevor someday too
He's a very nice guy
He's a very nice guy, very genuine guy
Also has a very well manicured beard
Claudia asked me on the
Mystery Zone the other night
Who I'd be most
Actually no, I don't know where the hell I be most actually no I don't know I don't know where the
hell I was somebody asked me I don't know what it was some podcast or something somebody asked me
who I wanted to most meet in person and my answer was Trevor and Jan that was my answer I think like
it's it's very weird like one to spend if you just do the math, right? So we do 100 shows a year, and we've been going for two and a half years, so 250 shows.
You know, if you say each show averages like three hours, that's 750 hours.
That's, like, a lot of time.
That's, like, a lot of time to just, like, hang out up here.
But, Leo, whose fault is that?
Say it again, Cynthia. But, Leo, whose fault is that? Say it again, Cynthia.
But Leo, whose fault is that?
You're the one who has...
No, no, no.
Guys, look, I agree.
In real life, you got to show up.
These guys have been extremely generous,
invited me to all sorts of stuff.
It's 100% my fault.
I agree.
I just think it's weird that I haven't met them, right?
Because it's like, you know,
there's a difference between meeting people in real life
There's a difference between meeting people in real life and digitally, right?
and digitally, right?
So Jan, when we meet in person, we're doing an ice bath challenge though.
Jan is very friendly as well.
Let's do it, bro.
Like I do sauna once a week.
You know, it's part of my regimen, you know, like active recovery once a week.
I was there on Tuesday and I do cold plunge.
The cold plunge is not that crazy.
In the sauna place, it's around 10 degrees Celsius.
But it's cold enough, you know.
And I hang out there for a couple minutes at least.
So, you know, I'm training for you.
I know that, you know, you're the army guy kind of guy.
So you can just sit there in ice-cold water for like half an hour.
You know, but I'm up for a challenge. So you can just sit there in ice-cold water for like half an hour, you know?
I don't know about half an hour.
Jan does the Wim Hof. I'm up for a challenge.
Yeah.
Jan does the Wim Hof breathing.
He sits on an iceberg.
Not Jan, sorry.
I'm Leonidas.
You know, he meditates on an iceberg.
The Wim Hof breathing is like cheating, Eli.
It's like you actually look like you're like giving yourself like an oxygen high
it's like not like i don't think it's great for you but it's cool i i did it bro like i did it
and it's cool um you know i let me find the tweet actually i did it like five years ago
and uh it's dope like i did the workshop of winhoff and uh it was it was really cool experience
and then we jumped into the ice cold water for one minute that was the first time I ever did it and it felt
fucking amazing you know it was it was great
yeah I agree I encourage people mess around with cold water it's definitely
it's an interesting it's an interesting rabbit hole to go down
uh okay troy what's up man how you doing i'm good man just just took a two mile walk listening to
you guys and uh i had a lot to say but uh that time has passed you know i didn't take any videos
of my my legs or feet walking like cynthia does but I will one day I will do that
um but other than that yeah good I had a lot to say about vegan stuff but we've already passed
that stuff I used to be a vegan for a long time um that stopped when we broke up so there you go
uh ordered a medium rare steak the next day no uh but yeah what I would say about uh I would check
your blood type anybody and just see what foods don't really bode well with you.
That's another piece of alpha I can give you.
I was with this woman for nine years.
She was a nutritionist, and that really changed my life.
Also, chewing.
Remember your mom said, chew your food?
Chew your fucking food.
Your stomach thinks that, your stomach's like, yeah, we're about to get fed.
And then your stomach's like, motherfucker, chew your food.
You're making us do more push pushups to get the shit processed.
So anyway, that's my take on that.
Bitcoin all time highs.
What a great day to be alive.
Like the gentleman said, I forgot who said that.
Trevor, you might be some people's heroes, bro.
So it's either, you know, don't show up to the meetups for once in a while, you know,
maybe for a year and then come back.
You know what I mean?
But yeah, man.
Anyway, excited to be here.
There's a lot of work to do.
So we have a walking trend I'm noticing.
Claudia is going on like 1 a.m. walks in Canada every night.
Troy, I mean, two miles is a pretty good walk.
That's a pretty good walk.
Yeah, there's a perfect – this is right outside, man.
And like, dude, I'm telling you, this summer in L.A., dude, I don't know what it is. I'm not on the other – yeah there's a there's a perfect there's this is right outside man and like dude i'm telling you this summer in la dude i don't know what it is i'm not on the
other so there's like north of the like there's a there's like a mountain that that slices like
if you're on the north side of that mountain it's 15 degrees hotter i'm not on that side thank god
and nor if you meet people if you're if you're from the la area if you meet somebody at a party
and you find out they're from that side which is not a bad side to be on you're from the LA area, if you meet somebody at a party and you find out they're from that side,
which is not a bad side to be on, you're just never going to see that person again.
You're just not going to, they're not on your side of the hill.
But the weather over here, man, it's been like 65 at night, like the whole summer.
It's crazy.
I mean, it is the earth.
It does what it needs to do.
It's not on our time.
You know, when we want it colder and it's hotter or you, or, you know, vice versa, but it's just, the weather was great, man.
I was just enjoying guys talking and, uh, and I had a, yeah, so I tried to do like two
or four miles a day, you know, uh, amidst all the work I got to do, man, my head's fucking
so split in so many directions.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
But that's, that's, that's what you, uh, that's my life, you know?
So anyway.
Hell yeah, Troy. Appreciate you coming up. life, you know? So anyway. Hell yeah,
Troy.
Appreciate you coming up.
Glad you had a good walk.
All right.
Do we have any other
final contenders for topics,
guys?
We've been going for a good bit here.
I feel like we got a nice little
alpha section on the BTC summit
so people remember to get your tickets.
Final week,
you said, Jan Jan to do that basically
Yeah, I mean, we'll see like we have around 100 tickets left
So depending on like when it sells out last year
We sold out like couple days before the event. I think it's gonna be something similar
But yeah, if you guys are I mean if you're in Hong Kong or if you're in Asia, it's easy
You can make a decision probably last minute to show up. But if you're planning to fly from some places, I think you should definitely do it now.
So that you're not surprised.
Like in a week or 10 days from now that something is not available or whatever.
It's much more expensive.
So I would do that.
But yeah, man.
I think we covered almost everything on the bitcoin summit
you guys were asking me about moonbirds that's what i heard but yes that i was i knew we were
forgetting something so jan moonbirds are up to 2.7 right now and obviously eth is almost at an
all-time high your your bags are up 20x in two months how do you feel uh
unfortunately it's not 20x leo because i my you know my entry point was much higher unfortunately
so i think i'm getting i'm getting closer to a break even uh which is which feels nice you know
like when you go from like being down about 30 40k and suddenly you're getting to a break even like i think i
think that's pretty that's pretty cool that's nice uh finally i can tell my wife that i bought this
stuff like three years ago you know and uh so that's nice uh i mean i don't know man like you
know i am a i am a big believer i'm a holder i. I think it's going to go higher, man, because I saw Mike Dudas bullposting it like fucking
crazy on the timeline.
And he's saying that the token is coming.
There's going to be some airdrops.
So I'm just hoping that they're going to send it straight to the moon and then I can exit
and then I can buy more Bitcoin.
So, you know, that's literally what I'm waiting for.
Interesting.
So we're expecting like a Moonbird token.
I think, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I think it's happening. Haven't they isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. But like Mike Dudas, Mike Dudas, you guys know the guy.
I think it's happening.
Haven't they basically announced it?
I don't know if they announced it.
Or is it speculation?
But it's speculation probably.
But it's also, it makes sense, right?
Because they, like Moonbirds are one of the very few NFT collections so far
that are kind of the top 10, but they don't have a token, right?
Or they didn't do a token.
And now because of the CTO and everything, I think it's kind of expected that they're going
to do it. And Mike Dudas has been posting about it. So again, I don't know if it's coming. I don't
really pay too much attention. I'm just kind of following Spencer and seeing what those guys are
doing, because obviously I have big back right now. so i want to make sure that they break even my my investment
at least and maybe maybe a little bit more but you know definitely like i want to get more bitcoin
out of this you know that's that's the game plan right now maybe like three years ago when i was
buying it if they actually delivered something cool what they were promising back then maybe
maybe it would be a different play but but uh but right now like you know i i'm i'm all in on bitcoin guys like bitcoin ecosystem and everything
so uh i'm not really buying any more nfts like on other chains right now just like not interested
in that at all what's the alpha what did you uh tell us yeah i saw you oh sorry i saw you um i
didn't mean to talk over you yeah i saw you bull posting some xverse product updates can you can you share anything i mean man
there is just so much that is being shipped every week you know so uh right now you know we ship the
portfolio which is going to be improved in the near future so uh it's going to be an all in one
portfolio app for everything bitcoin and Bitcoin DeFi.
So that's something that is being worked on very, very heavily.
We are soon going to be launching some of the new Bitcoin L2s that have been kind of, you know, let's say popping up a little bit here and there.
a little bit here and there so we're working on some of that stuff and you know we're working on
So we're working on some of that stuff.
a lot of infrastructure related products and improvements working with a lot of other builders
in the space so that's something that the team has been like really really heads down just to
build the best product for allowing people to to have better experience building Bitcoin dApps. So that's what we're doing
and plugging into the distribution of Xverse.
And then, you know, yeah, there's a bunch of stuff.
Like, you know, I know Vito is like harassing me every day
about some stuff that we are discussing.
I was just going to ask you, bro.
I was going to say, when Nexus, I swear,
but you beat me to it.
Yeah, man.
I mean, it's, I told you, bro.
It's on the roadmap.
The team knows about it.
Our head of product is off this week.
So things are a little bit slower, but it's still progressing.
So nothing has changed.
That's definitely coming.
I think it would be really cool by Hong Kong.
We want to ship a bunch of these things and hopefully do some announcements there.
So the team is working extremely hard on this
But yeah, the timelines, you know, the timelines are fluid because there's just like so much going on right now, you know on on the experts product side
But anyone building the the Dex screen Bitcoin do we have a product because i know we had genie data before but
we need a solution to that yeah i don't know man i i don't know if somebody is proactively building it i mean there were a few teams that i saw that were trying to do it um our our portfolio
app is gonna be able to offer a lot of those functionalities at some point but probably it's
not gonna be like a like a full-fledged deck screener in a sense that it would be like a separate
company or separate product altogether.
But I'm not sure if somebody is doing that.
Not sure.
Guys,
we just,
we should just get a deck screener to integrate with runes.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean,
that would be great.
I mean,
I've been,
I've been tweeting at all of these guys.
We should get open C to integrate ordinals.
I know that uh you know a lot of people are talking with that team
to make it happen myself included i'm i'm pushing whenever i can so uh that would be really cool if we could get that because you know open c also is supposed to do a token right and if they could
integrate ordinals before they launch the token
and include it in like that hype like that could be bullish no for for ordinals and nfts in general
so that would be really cool but i'm not sure if they're going to be able to move so quick on it
because they have been generally pretty slow on all of the new integrations right is anybody talking right now sorry guys I was uh I was eating oh did your chipotle your chipotle
already arrived it's been delicious okay nice man I kind of envy you right now. You know?
Jan, here's what we'll do.
We'll do a nice ice bath.
We'll do a little competition.
We'll go get some Chipotle.
Does that sound like a plan?
Let's do it, bro.
Tell me when and where I will be there.
All right, guys. This has been a great show um should we let caro up here caro's laughing at me we can wrap too we've been going hard we've been going hard for a while
all right screw it we'll let caro up
isn't it yeah you're totally right. That's on me, Cairo.
And then we're going to get Speed Racer up here.
What's up, guys? How are you doing, Cairo?
Hey, thanks for having me up. How's it going?
We're good. Just celebrating Bitcoin, hitting an all-time high.
Yeah, I see that.
I actually pulled my liquid out not too long ago to buy a truck for welding mobile services that I'm trying to work straight away from the industry and get to working for myself.
Do you mind if I show myself as an artist?
So here's the thing.
If it's art related to ordinals,'s totally fine if it's art on another chain
this is a bitcoin focused show so we can talk to you about ordinals we can try to get you excited
to come inscribe your art into bitcoin but we can't just show art on other chains on the show
unfortunately man okay no worries um what are the ordinals actually i'm new to this so i'm from a different blockchain so
um ordinals is um bitcoin related or correct bitcoin l1 it's the top way to inscribe your
art into bitcoin so this basically means the files of your art right like where do you store
your files currently for your nfts solana okay interesting so the the token lives on solana and
then like there's an actual art file right where does that get stored they're just honorary one of
ones and i literally am not an like digital artist i'm a welder by trade um i had my art on consignment i just recently pulled
out some pieces so i can add more pieces to the blockchain but um it's just one of one nft so if
you buy the nft i just send the person my actual metal art so um but it's on the salon that's pretty
cool actually honestly yes you don't let's be the
best place for that then because yeah but he could use he could use sats cards and then just
authenticate them on bitcoin and then put the sats card that would be like i reckon that's
gonna be the best thing for physical art to be honest like otherwise otherwise they're just not
related like i it's kind of like cool i don't like i own
the nft but how do i know that this has got anything to do with the physical and i'm not
actually downplaying what you do i think it's sick but that's where i think that stats cards
and like authentication on bitcoin you don't actually have to inscribe the art can literally
just be like like text or a certificate or something that's going to be like very important there's um so i guess uh my my first like this is my first bull run i came
like i've had my twitter since 2021 or 2022 but since that was twitter and then i actually came
across x because i was worried that we were gonna get into a third world war pre-trump election then
i was working with a guy who kept showing me he had like 70 grand in eth this was pre-trump election then i was working with a guy who kept showing me he had
like 70 grand in eth this was pre-trump election so whatever eth is at now from whatever he had
he's probably over 100 g's considering eth is at all-time high now but anyways so i put only 200
dollars into pre uh pre-election 200 into do into Doge on crypto chain. That was my first
introduction into the crypto world. This spring, I still had 20 botted followers and I became part of
a project by reaching out to the founder and asking to build a sculpture for him.
It didn't really work out.
I'm still building the sculpture.
So I moved forward to finding another individual because I was deeply saddened
because the founder said that they were going to be at NFT NYC.
It turns out they were never going to have a presence there they had a side event
with had a nightclub with like 12 or 15 people there um anyways so i i'm learning about the
blockchain i uh came across dilly and with the escrow and um so like when you buy an nft you only get the nft and the art is stored in their vault
in the states for the dillian abstract and but the nft gets burned and they have to pay for
shipping to receive the rwa so then that kind of that kind of um didn't really allow my NFT to be able to put back onto the blockchain.
A lot of the people that have been coming across the spaces that trade NFTs and buy NFTs that I've noticed are on Solana.
And it's just because I've learned more about Solana and my wallet to set up for Solana.
But coming across that easy accessible, there's this guy who builds guitars, who is a CNC machinist.
He builds guitars and he's an investor into crypto, but he's working with other people on building a platform called soul tricks it's
slana based um nft platform but it's meant for people like me and him that have he builds a
good uh like really fancy guitars that he sells for 4500 i build metal art i'm a welder it's just
like a one of one so it's you put it on the blockchain and if i want to if if i sell you the
nft and you buy the nft i don't receive the money it gets put into an escrow wallet until you receive the NFT for shipping.
So he's working on the details for an escrow wallet
and being able to actually be trusted to be received the artwork.
So that's why I went ahead and moved forwards with putting my art on the Solana blockchain.
Dude, honestly, honestly cairo you probably
made a good decision like if somebody's building a platform specifically for real world asset
kind of issuance like that where it's like trustless that you're probably in a good spot
so you're doing good bro did you the ordinals is that is that an nft like it's literally just
nfts on bitcoin so we store the files on Bitcoin instead of storing them off chain.
So it's a lot more expensive.
And if you're not a digital artist, it doesn't really make sense, to be totally frank.
Okay, yeah.
I'm not familiar with the Bitcoin blockchain.
I'm starting to look at your guys' followings.
Wait, hang on, hang on.
What crypto do you hold?
I just liquidated most of all of my crypto.
But what did you hold?
What were you holding?
I bought Pengu.
I held Pengu for a little bit because I know it was going up.
I bought in, and I'm talking about Canadian fiat.
I bought in at three cents for like four grand and then sold at like six cents and then
i was like i don't really because i'm supposed to be back at work as a welder right now and i kind
of held off on getting employment to focus on artwork so i just decided to liquidate and buy a
truck and then move forward because i mean you know buying a truck is never a bad
thing like i yeah i think that was the worst decision but how i invest though like i i usually
work as as a welder i'm usually employed in the trades and i'd usually i'd actually stay up
um till thursday night in the middle of the night to put my money in my my extra money every two
weeks before the dip would go up uh on the mark or before the markets would raise um friday mornings
that's that's what i would usually do when when i invest though so but yeah man look kyra you
are you're you're like different than the typical person that comes up here.
To be honest, there are a bunch of artists in Bitcoin, though. They're not necessarily
in ordinals, but they're sort of tangential. There are a bunch of physical Bitcoin artists.
So making art associated with Bitcoin in some way, physical art, and just like,
they don't put it on chain at all it's just you know the art is uh
tied to bitcoin in some way and there's some really really cool art that people have done
over the years there's some og artists who've been doing this for over a decade and i mean dude you
should totally try to just make a piece inspired by bitcoin and you know there's a site scarce
dot city where you could actually auction it um so there there is a group of you know bitcoiners
who collect physical art, and they're probably
like the better fit, better community for you than us. We're definitely much more heavily focused on
the digital side of things. And I just, I don't know a way to make like, you're making welded
3D art. It just doesn't translate well. Some people can come up with creative ways to digitize
their work, but you're probably best off going and checking out scarce.city and consider consider
making a piece about bitcoin and auctioning it on there i think that would be a pretty neat
pretty neat thing for you to try man okay so appreciate you coming up here and sharing though
uh what what was that that auction that you were talking about the website they're great guys they've been doing this for a long time it's called scarce.city scarce.city c-i-t-y yeah i i feel that kairos
coming to the show is the most bullish sign i've seen in so many months i feel like we are uh like we are running a shop where we didn't have a customer
in months from from other cities and towns and somebody walks in i i don't know man thank you
for coming up honestly it made me feel bullish and for some reason leo wants you wants to send
you to competition i don't know man no i'm joking. Yeah, the other thing I want to...
That's a good point. The other thing, you know,
he's a welder and he's doing 3D stuff.
But, I mean, let's go back to the
runestone. Wasn't that a physical piece
and then it got scanned and then it was...
The runestone was actually not
originally a physical piece. Leo
was a marble sculptor
who was
very... and is still very much world-class, world-recognized marble sculptor who has pieces on display and huge museums throughout the world in many private collections.
And that's what he did for the majority of his life since he was a kid.
And then he more recently started trying to master the digital form, right?
So he is, you know, we could bring him up here and he could talk about all the tools that he uses.
But, you know, he's now, he's definitely, you know, he is a marble sculptor at heart, right?
But he is getting better at the 3D side of things.
side of things and obviously the runestone was the 3d piece but yeah once once you know i i think
And obviously the runestone was the 3D piece.
like leo was probably a little surprised with how i asked him to do this he probably thought like
okay this would be cool i think he was a little surprised with the amount of attention that it got
and you know seeing himself you know like he created a piece of art that was the number two
nft collection in the world right and yeah and then he was like okay this is really cool there's like all these people asking me to create physical runestones
of course i'll go do that right and this is culminated in a 20 ton piece of marble black
marble that he purchased um which is it's like an entire uh effort to get this moved anywhere
and then he has uh he it's complete it's complete. He's carved it. And
there is a massive rune stone sitting in a warehouse, uh, over, over in Europe right now.
Um, that's like, you know, the scale of this is like unbelievable. Like it's,
you're kind of like a, like a human standing next to it. You're just at the base.
Like you're looking up, it's, it's a giant it's very very large
and that's going to be going on display i'm not going to say when exactly i'm not going to say
where it's obviously leo's work for him to share but stay tuned for that leo is uh you know i think
his passion really is the physical sculpting and i think you know that's that's what he really
really loves and this is an audience for him who it's kind of like a cross section of
NFTs and physical real world collectors. And I think I'm just an, I'm in awe of all of his
creations. Like he's done all sorts of like really interesting sort of like modern takes on a,
on a marble sculpture. And it's, it's quite fascinating. People should go check him out,
Leo Clair. He's got, you know, 20 years worth of work out there that you can just check out on Google Images, check out on his website.
Hey, Leo, what, because I know like Ethereum is like OpenSea and say Tensor is, and Magic Eden, like Solana.
What would a marketplace be for bitcoin nfts
yeah so our our currently the highest volume marketplace is a site called magic eden
oh okay magic eden is the place for bitcoin yeah we're actually like the the majority of their
volume comes from they started out as a lot of marketplace but the majority of their volume comes from they started out as a lot of marketplace but the
majority of their revenue for the past two years has actually come from our ecosystem
i did not know that thank you yep yep what's up you i yeah speaking of um well that's cool news
about leo uh carving a runestone.
I was curious because, yeah, we haven't, like,
seen it scale yet.
I know that Aaron and the inscribing team and Raf kind of,
like, demoed it in Vegas about SATs cards so we can obviously have,
you know, physically store the ordinals on the card.
I think that that's a huge opportunity.
Like, I know that obviously, real world assets the whole rwa thing obviously isn't like hasn't been scaled yet and it's you know still
in its infancy in regards to like digital authentication and whatnot but we're seeing
obviously like the early stages of it more so on eth with like nfc chips and whatnot but i think
uh we already saw the use of Sats cards
for like the first ones that I guess got created
with like Sheeple by Chip and Aruto put some out
with the prints that he was selling at Bitcoin Vegas.
So I actually do, I'm pretty bullish on it.
I don't really like the acronym,
but I guess like that's the one we're going to use.
Like, I think we're going to see like authentication
of physical assets.
They don't have to be like the artistic representations but obviously like genuine digital authentication on
bitcoin for physical goods because it's going to stamp out or at least like make headway into
stamping out like this a serious amount of art fraud in the in the physical world so i'd love
to see leo uh car actually authenticate and have a sats card with um
whatever information he wants to put on chain for it for that uh you know monolithic like uh
runestone that he's creating but i think i think we're in like we always say we're early blah blah
but i think we're really in uh like authentication on bitcoin i think it's going to be a real thing. I think that's really in its nascency,
but I like am quite bullish on it.
I think that the ordinal theory,
the ability to inscribe,
that's going to be like a very serious use case.
Yeah, man.
Look, I'm, you know,
if there's something Gamma could do to like move that forward
or like make it more intuitive,
I think it's like a lot of people, you know, if there's something Gamma could do to like move that forward or like make it more intuitive, I think it's like a lot of people, you know, it's like, if it's not like this clear
site that you go to and like, it's managed and easy and hold your hand, I think it's totally
technically possible. It's just like, people are a little bit, yeah, it's like, they want,
they want something that they understand and it's not as like, it seems risky or something,
right? For sure. I think, I think, yeah, i think yeah obviously like it you know gamma and i can like walk someone through i think it's actually
more about the scalability of um putting out like the let's call it like ordinals aware because
sats cards obviously exist for like bitcoin that's not inscribed and have you know product
what do you call them companies like coin kite have been selling them for
well i don't know how many years but at least a few years now
for that but i think it's actually more to do with the production of ordinals
aware sats cards which is holding it back because once you do
that it's as simple as uh tapping the sats card to your phone and
then you can or and whatever device and then it gives
you the address each sats card holds 10 addresses. They demo it in Vegas, like I said. Then you simply just transfer the inscription or inscribe
to that address. And then it lives on the card. And then there's obviously various security
measures that come along with it, which is similar security measures that come along with
your regular Sats cards for, call it uninsinscribed stats that people have been using as a version of cold storage already. So it's very close. So it's more about like the production
and scalability of the Ordinals Aware stats cards at the moment.
Do you think the, you know, the physical digital, you know, Mel does require some centralization
in the sense that, you know, why would you, if you just have a physical,
like you don't need a digital, but I do like the idea of like a deed on chain, but it is helpful because if you think about, you know, in the future, if people are generating these art pieces
and the ability to find somebody, you know, it's kind of like a deed to a house while your name's
tied to a house and you have this physical house and you also have a digital deed that lives
somewhere to where if somebody actually like, you wanted that piece or or you know wanted to
appreciate that piece so i i understand how you know we can bridge the gap between some people
that are just art collectors and having a digital piece but if everyone just wants the physical then
just make the physical but you know there has to be some purpose for the digital and physical combination uh somehow yeah i think speedy that um it's more about whether or not the the digital authentication
is like a representation of the art or not but it's more like having that on chain provenance
that the physical the physical that you own uh is by the artist uh that that you claim it is so like
whether or not you plan to move it on or not,
just like anyone who's selling a piece of physical art
in any capacity that they are,
there's that proof that it is by who it is by
and it's from when it's from.
And that SATs card could be embedded
into the back of the artwork or something.
That's more what I'm referring to.
I like that, yeah.
So it's like a parent-child for a physical piece
to say that is actually a piece yeah they do that for like for
bourbon now too and different things where in some of these high-end allocated whiskeys and
different things they have these things in the bottle caps that have a have a barcode scan and
so yeah you could do it that way too um that that's an interesting way to think about it but i like
that idea too yeah that's more what i was referring to and i think that that's going to be like
super important because i know that trek the uh bike company were even doing something similar
for a while i don't know if they continued it because there were there was like a huge issue
with like knockoff treks being sold so you had to kind of like scandal authenticate that um
you know that it was like a genuine trek bike uh and things like that so i
yeah that's why i think um yeah the advent of ordinals is going to be like a huge well hopefully
maybe i'm just idealistic but um a huge kind of like step forward in time in terms of just like
reducing art fraud because art for the physical art world is like you know there's some good
documentaries on it it's like rife there's a lot of people in the Ordinal ecosystem that people don't talk about or know about much that actually,
Michael Saylor has been talking about this digital, physical meld and using Bitcoin as that block space to store that data.
Bill Tai, he's an investor, an on-chain monkey.
on-chain monkey. He's also wrote a lot about this stuff of physical deeds, using Bitcoin
as this medium for this information. So I just think this is just ordinals is people having fun,
artists making things. I think there's going to be realms of art and NFTs, obviously memes,
but then there is going to be some real world assets. And,
you know, we've been talking about this fungible stuff for so long and we've used runes as the vehicle to jumpstart the building process of this. But I think, you know, there's going to be a lot
of utility tokens that are going to be built and infrastructure on Bitcoin that are going to use
some sort of token standard. And I think, you know, we're going to get there with runes. I mean,
you just think about all the stuff that's being built within this ecosystem. And so,
yes, there's a lot of errors. Yes, there's security concerns. Yes, there's risks. Yes,
you know, liquidity is an issue, all these different things we've talked about over and
over again. But I just think, you know, trial and error in this space, you know, in how nascent
our ecosystem is, is so important. And unfortunately, things fail,
people learn from those failures, and then three more things pop up. And, and it's just good for
everybody to give feedback, use things, you know, try out, try it, give, you know, give positive
feedback, give negative feedback. I just think we're in that that space where everything is so
new right now that we should just be trying things, you know, it's like that try and break things and a couple things will stick couldn't have said it better myself
that was a great great little speech there speedway appreciate it um dog speed racer yeah
dog father you have been going you've had your hand up very patiently for a while. What's up? How are you doing? Good, man.
How are you?
Yeah, good.
We've been going for five hours now.
Yeah, I was going to say, goddamn, 1830, man.
You guys have been banging it since 630 at night.
Yeah, you guys are going off the chain.
Look, man, runes are going to the moon.
Ornals, probably same.
I think runes have a greater um
ability maybe to go further up i mean that just might be in my own opinion but i want to ask you
since you know you're part of this whole dog movement what do you think is like a likelihood
for where dog can go market cap wise so i'm thinking at least a 10x but again it could
literally flip doge so again price doesn't really matter but um i'm just bullish i just want to see
your perspective on it like honestly like i don't really yeah man the price but yeah like look i
can't give like super specific prices for obvious reasons. Of course. But yeah, I mean, my thought is like, what's the actual reality we can look back on over the last year, right?
So we know that during maybe a sort of, it would be called a bear market, but turning into bull market, local top, Dog touched a billion dollars, right?
So that was in a little bit of a frothy energy in the space, but retail really wasn't in
existence at that moment.
We know that Dog is currently at about a $350, $360 million market cap.
And a lot of people believe that we're kind of coming into a period of bullishness.
As of basically a month ago. You can kind of just
look on Google Trends and see that people started typing in crypto prices into their search bar
again, asking what the price of Bitcoin is, all of these things, right? And it seems like we're
entering what typically happens is, you know, in a four-year cycle, there's like a six to 12-month
period of just a lot of excitement and bullishness
and basically everybody coming and paying attention again. I know I've had a bunch of
people in real life ask me questions about crypto in the past week or two, just reaching out.
Friends who are very, very bearish, thinking crypto is a scam after FTX, you know, sending me questions asking, should I buy XRP, this sort of question, right?
And it appears we're just in the first inkling of a lot of that energy coming back to this space, right?
So, dog's at $350 million market cap right now.
And, I mean, I would like to think that we hit a billion dollars, what, eight months ago now?
In what I would consider not as an exciting of a market.
I think we're entering that exciting part of the cycle here.
And I would like to think that Dog could go over that billion dollars.
How much higher over?
You know, this is a, this is a, it's hard for me to say exactly,
but I like, i would personally be disappointed
if we didn't go significantly higher over a billion dollars and interrupt you one second
just i'm sorry i just have to um so i know we got cracking like dude i got some bread in this
nothing crazy about 10 bands i mean that's a lot to the average person but it is to me too but yeah i
don't really care to be honest if it goes to zero or not like that's kind of where i'm at like i
had five or ten grand in uh pepe and uh it dropped like 40 then it went on to do like a 15x and i was
like god damn it you know what i mean so it's like i don't really care like that's the type of thing you can get into when it's like oh you get shaken out of the tree because someone
tells you it's a scam or stupid or whatever and it's like you know you should just never listen
to them it's like you know what you hold so that's kind of what i'm thinking with dog i feel
like it's just super early in the bitcoin uh defy ecosystem And I think we just got to hold and see what happens.
But I think with other exchanges, I guess I wanted to ask,
like, what's up with that?
Like, since you're like the big dog, I want to know, like,
are you like in talks with them?
I know you have been, but like, you probably can't say too much either.
But like, what do you think the likelihood of like getting
a coinbase or like a binance listing is in your opinion yeah so i guess the bottom line is that
we hit a billion dollars eight months ago it's only been easier to buy dog since then it is only
going to get easier to buy dog and we're heading heading into, I think, a very frothy, exciting period of the market.
And yeah, I think there's a very large opportunity to have a meme coin on Bitcoin, a dog coin
on Bitcoin that I could easily make a case for $100 billion.
Whether we reach that or not is a different question.
But I think the opportunity is very clearly there and people can feel that.
I think between now and us getting there, I agree.
The question is from an infrastructure perspective, how do we make it that way more people can
easily buy Dog?
The crack in listing is huge.
The improvements with like DotSwap and Sats Terminal and Xverse and these various improvements
on L1 trading, the experience has gotten better.
That's awesome.
You know, Dog is now available on Solana.
We're about to hit 9,000 holders there.
That's just a bridge that got opened by a company called RuneMine.
So it's continuously going to get easier to buy Dog.
That's just, we're basically predictable, right?
and we're basically predictably entering a bullish period of time.
And we're basically predictably entering a bullish period of time.
I think that spells basically a rotation of attention back to ordinals and runes at some point.
I don't know exactly if it's going to happen this week, next month, three months from now, I'm not sure.
But I think we're going to have our moment.
It's just the way psychology works.
Attention shifts around these markets and ordinals know, ordinals and runes.
We tested the thesis with these, right?
Like people want to buy Bitcoin NFTs.
People want to buy, you know, Bitcoin meme coins.
We already know that's the reality because there was a lot of that resonated with a lot
of people basically during spring of 2024, right?
of 2024, right? So attention left, it will shift back, I believe. And specifically as far as
So attention left.
It will shift back, I believe.
conversations with certain exchanges, I mean, look, I'll say I've had, you know, I essentially
have a line open with basically every exchange. Okay. So I'm connected. It's not, that doesn't
really mean anything though, because it's not super hard to get connected with these teams when,
when there's a large token, right? But yeah, I've messaged multiple teams, you know, conversations, multiple teams in
the past week, for example, these are ongoing conversations and, uh, they're each at different
stages and certain conversations I'm like, Hmm, yeah, this isn't a rough spot.
And we're probably going to need dog to hit a billion dollars before I really push anything.
Cause we're just not going to get anywhere.
And there's other conversations where, you know, I think they're much more warm and going to need a dog to hit a billion dollars before I really push anything because we're just not going to get anywhere.
And there's other conversations where, you know, I think they're much more warm and,
you know, we're not just, you know, the starting line, you know, the process has moved forward a little bit.
So, yeah, man, that's pretty much the situation.
And I can't give, unfortunately, any specifics on a specific exchange.
But, I mean, it's very logical from a business perspective.
Like, these exchanges are all in competition with each other And it makes a ton of sense for them to support,
you know, the fungible token standard of Bitcoin. They don't want to get left behind. I think it's
very validating that, you know, I can now point to, you know, OKEx and Kraken both supporting
this standard. And nobody wants to be the last the last block last uh integration of something
kind of you know you're not going to get fired for being like the middle guy to list uh you know
a standard you might get fired if you're like the first guy because you like took a bet and
everybody lost their money and you might get fired if you're the last person because it probably just
means you're bad at your job so i think it's a domino type situation where the dominoes will start falling and it'll basically be just like,
you know, why haven't you done this type question? And once it gets to that point,
I think the alignment is very clear. Like these exchanges stand to benefit from supporting more
tokens and making their users happy and being
relevant in this sector of the kind of crypto space. So I'm very, very optimistic. And I think
it's very exciting. There's like other runes like MIM that have recently migrated to runes
that people are excited about. I think some energy there. Okay, now the conversation is,
you know, it's not just dog, but it's this other token. And then maybe other tokens like pups come back.
And you can sort of imagine how the crypto native energy shifting back to runes and ordinals
creates an environment where these tokens go up in value.
And then every, you know, $100 million market cap they increase, my conversations get easier
and easier and they can move forward further and further.
And that's pretty much how it is. I mean, we were, yeah, like we were, conversations,
like for example, last year, you know, dog hit a billion dollars in like, I believe,
December of last year, right? Conversations were very, very warm and, you know, things were moving
forward and it's like, it's kind of like if dog like stayed there for like another month,
you know what I'm saying?
It's like we probably could have made a bit more progress during that period.
But yeah, it's I would say it's all,
all going well and slower than I'd like, but I'm very, very optimistic.
I think everyone is aligned to have this happen. We just have to keep pushing forward. And I'm not super worried about,
you know, runes and Bitcoin meme coins getting attention. I think it'll just naturally happen.
I just don't see a world where people don't, you know, rotate attention back to, you know,
Bitcoin meme coins and ordinals during all this craziness that we're starting to enter. So when that happens, I'll be ready to really push these conversations even harder.
And hopefully we'll have some integrations ready to go live even hopefully before then.
But yeah.
Last thing I just wanted to say, you're a good speaker and you sound like a good dude.
So I think Kraken was a huge blow off the top starter and i think what
you said would you know you don't want to be the first or the last makes a lot of sense
and uh just uh yeah like dog dog think about it in terms of like these guys right they are
a listing manager they're on a listing team they have a boss who has the ceo as their boss um in some cases at some exchanges i'm
literally talking to the listing head right of that department um these guys are just like normal
people you know making commission based uh commission based uh salary there's a base salary
commission and they're just trying to make money.
It all comes down to liquidity and volume.
And unfortunately, because of how runes were originally launched,
we didn't have liquidity because there was no AMMs.
You had no ways to basically wash trade these tokens up in volume,
to which that's what these big exchanges want.
And so now with some
of these integrations, we're starting to get in the centralized exchange, as well as onboarding
people via Solana, onboarding them via, you know, all these, you know, standard metrics of how people
trade meme tokens. We've got Dotswap, we've got, you know, Arch potentially coming out, we've got,
you name it, it just seems like there's more and more, you know, development happening. So
I think once we start to like prove a standard of how we're going to integrate these and aggregate these and be able to show these centralized exchanges that these things can produce volume and ultimately fees, they're going to list them.
And the other unique thing that I think that we're in in this ecosystem and in particular this cycle is, you know, the previous cycles in order for
like things to pump, other things had to dip. Like it was like this, like musical chairs,
where you'd have to like sell your Bitcoin to buy ETH, you know, sell your ETH to buy
soul, sell your soul to buy NFTs and memes. And now we have big institutions coming in
and basically like lifting a floor under the entire
ecosystem.
And ultimately, people feel more wealthy as a result of that.
And what people do as a tendency of feeling more wealthy is they go out and they buy in
excess.
And excess can be in art.
Excess can be in memes.
You know, a lot of the speculative stuff in our ecosystem.
And so I just think this is such a unique cycle.
And in Bitcoin, you know, I think a lot of us wanted this to happen, you know, months, months ago, and even when runes launched. But the reality is, is like the infrastructure isn't there. You know, people are comparing us to Sol and Sol meme tokens. Well, Sol's got a four year edge on us. Like they were able to build their stuff. People forget Jupiter isn't that old.
isn't that old. When Jupyter came out, it really got things going. They had a great aggregator.
They had all the stuff to where they can now make it easy. Then you get all of these basically
centralized entities that came in and started to list their tokens. And people can just go into an
app, click buy, click sell, and they're talking about it on their Twitter feed. So I think that's
where we're trying to get. I think we will get there. I think we're probably months away from some of that stuff. And I think it's going to be
good timing. We'll see where it happens. But there's a lot of smart people working on this stuff.
Yeah, agreed. I mean, I agree with pretty much everything except I mean,
I wish it was just a liquidity situation. It's like, I think some exchanges are very much just like trying to just straight up
profit directly in a short period of time off these listings.
Like I'll just like say, you know, Binance hasn't listed Fartcoin or SPX or Mog.
There's a ton of these tokens and these tokens have teams that have a supply.
Like they have a team supply.
Binance wants to make a lot of money and basically squeeze these teams for as much as possible.
And it's like some of these situations are just straight up business deals at the end of the day.
And other exchanges truly are happy to just have liquidity or have a brand activation,
kind of marketing activation with the project. There's like various ways that an exchange can benefit. Um, but yeah,
it's like, I, you know, in a lot of cases, I agree liquidity is, is a piece of it, but
I think people like, I really would love to see somebody just blow the lid open
on a bunch of these contracts that have been signed with Binance for a bunch of these meme
coins, um, over the past year that in my opinion, like in no way, shape or form deserved a Binance listing
because I think people will basically just find that it's like it's a quick revenue generation
kind of scheme, basically, from my perspective. And I'd love to see I'd love to see somebody
kind of be much more transparent about what went down there.
And yeah, like we'll have to keep, we'll have to keep doing the best we can because certain
exchanges are like really awesome. And then certain exchanges are harder to work with. But
at the end of the day, I do think genuinely you're going to get fired if at some point you have just
said, we're not going to support Bitcoin tokens. like you're going to have to do that it just makes a lot of sense um and speed racer you're right like things
are getting much much better at a very fast pace and um kraken definitely definitely helps with
things and it's just going to continue okay awesome i'm gonna let dog nidus up here leo can
you finish the space by reading out that copypasta
that's like we're about to walk into that abundance?
You know, there's that...
That's kind of like the vibe that I've been getting
from the last half an hour.
But we need some music.
We need some inspiration and music behind it.
Can someone find that copypasta?
Can someone find that copypasta?
He could do it in his character.
I would appreciate if Troy did that.
He's played many characters.
You could play the song that, you know, the Sky King?
You guys know the famous Sky King?
This guy that was going through some life troubles, whatever,
and he stole a fucking jetliner, and he fucking rolled it,
and then he eventually crashed it,
and it was one of the most beautiful, like,
six or seven or 12-minute fucking rides, but they always play this song, bro.
It's, like, unbelievable.
Yeah, I know the song. I know the song.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll find it.
But the story, though, dude, bro, this guy was a legend.
Never flew a plane, just learned it somehow.
He just learned it, and he just got in a plane and fucking flew it
and then rolled it, like, turned it over over, did a barrel roll with a commercial.
Dude, it's online.
You should definitely go see it.
It's one of the most triumphant.
Yeah, Troy, I have a friend who's a pilot, and he was like the entire pilot community was like amazed at this guy's like flying skills as a first timer.
Like doing a barrel roll in a commercial jet is not like this is very, very challenging.
I don't like they don't know how he did it honestly yeah my my my my uncle's a as a pilot he was my uncle actually was he owns like a few of the western north carolina airports besides
ashville airport and he was the guy that allowed people like during that fucking
what i consider not a real hurricane but whatever it happened there was a big tragedy last year um he was the one letting like some military through and and goods through so uh that was
kind of cool but he but he told me it's very hard to do but even the that that that movie
with denzel washington where he played a real life pilot who was an alcoholic and he
rolled the plane and landed it upside down on its on its top and only two people died it was crazy and it was um
but yeah that's a that's a that's a great movie but uh speed racer i really appreciate you um
voting for me to put some music together to so so uh leonard can do this fucking braveheart speech
uh miss you speed racer where do i find the speech eli what do i type i don't know i see i see that coffee
pasta all the time i but how would you search for it it's like literally i don't know i don't know
you you know what i'm talking about though like people cope as like i'm about to walk into the
most abundant blah blah blah like it's like it's kind of like the moisturizing in my lane type thing
someone got it someone got it handy no but I got that one I got that one
where the
the guy
there's that copypasta
you find in discord
where the guy is finally
going out with a girl
and it's a real girl
you know
he keeps saying how real
of a girl it is
and nobody in here
can get a real girl
that's
that's pretty also
that's pretty inspiring
can't believe
only if you
you're not even
like yeah
thank you
thank you nimble
thank you nimble you're a true fan thank you speed racer you're a even... Thank you. Thank you, Nibble.
Thank you, Nibble. You're a true fan.
Thank you, Speed Racer. You're a true fan.
A true fan of internet culture and discords in the last four years.
I mean, yeah.
Eli, I found something that might be it.
It's like I'm about to walk into the most abundant,
balanced, wealthy, and successful period of my life.
I don't know if it's like a much longer version, but it does seem to be a thing.
I actually hadn't really seen that.
I think we need the Sailor song.
I think that's going to actually end on high note.
The Sailor song is appropriate for this moment.
Yeah, we need the Sailor song.
I agree.
I agree.
All right.
I'm going to find the Sailor song, and then we're going to wrap this puppy up here.
Nimble, do you want to say something quickly?
Let's go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jim, everyone, Jim,
I just want to give a shout-out to everyone here.
I've been on the listener session,
and I really like what I'm hearing,
so I just wanted to give a shout-out to everyone here.
And I've been following you.
Please just do it to give me a follow- everyone here. And I've been following you. Please just do it to email follow back.
Thank you, boss.
And guys, before you wrap it, Leo, before you find the Michael Saylor song, which is fucking awesome.
I always listen to it on repeat when I'm doing something on my computer.
Guys, like just throughout the space
like there's like five people that bought a ticket to bitcoin summit because they're fucking smart
because if you buy a ticket now you get free hat you get a free t-shirt you get bunch of
free shit which means i'm literally giving you money by you buying a ticket so
you said hat right please say you said i know you
said i heard it i heard it right it took it took me a second what did i say troy what did i say
i'm sorry excuse my english no bro no it's you said hat but at first i it was edited with a d
it sounded like and i i know that that's not what you would say because you're a professional and
what does it mean what is that thing for you you what i thought you said free head and i was like well i just bought a ticket see now i just reverted
the funds because you said hat now i have a lot of hats but you know you're never going to hear
anybody say this stop going down on me or i'm going to call the police so anyway so let's reset
the space we're here with leo and Jan and Jan's thighs. Jan,
you should play on that screen outside in Hong Kong.
You should play. Is that really a reset with the mention of Jan's thighs though?
I mean,
you couldn't wait eight more minutes until,
Mysteries in MySpace started to get all spicy,
Troy.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
And it's not even nine o'clock there for you.
Wow.
Are you guys going to continue today with your space talking about some,
I think Mr. E was saying some like, like dick-ups.
He was doing some dick-ups in the gym.
Like, you know, that's what I heard last time.
Those are the best workout, right?
The dick-ups versus the pull-ups.
You got to maintain strength throughout your entire body and your core.
You can't just, you know, you can't skip leg day, for example, right?
You can't skip leg day and you can't skip dick up day either.
You can't skip dick up day.
Now that's a tongue twister if you want to try it.
You should inscribe that actually.
Like a little kind of like, I don't know.
A dick up?
Yeah.
Well, just the text.
You can't skip dick up day.
Maybe, yeah, with like a little pixel.
People don't know. Trump is bringing back fitness
requirements in high school, so I don't know if that's
going to be included yet, but there will be some
things. Yeah. You mean we've got to
do that cross-country mile in America that we have
to do? You know, that
mile everybody had to do in ninth grade or some shit.
But seriously, the kids need it, man. grade or some shit but you have to run a beep
test man you have to need it they have to run the beep test in in the states is that do you call the
beep test you know that thing where it's like level one one and then you gotta like run across
the basketball court and make every level and if you miss the line three times then you're out or
is that an australian thing something like that you had to do like the broad jump the high jump
you know kind of vertical and you get your i don't know there was like a breathing test like you to blow into a hose that was weird you had to
see how your lung capacity was that was in north carolina i don't know what you guys did and where
you from but but do you usually do different kind of blowing troy i was willing to do different
usually there's only one hose blowing i know and i just blow this hoe like it's nobody's no bow
does business you know but back to jan and what he
should put on the screen dude take some excerpts from the movie pumped with arnold schwarzenegger
which is closely related to your background kind of and just have that kind of intermittently
in between some scenarios on that screen bitcoin's pumping keep it pumped you're muscular arnold was
you know you know checkzech austrian just eastern
european kind of stuff you know bringing it to china i'm here to help dude i'm here to solve
problems um yeah pumping iron is a is that what you're pumping iron yeah that's what yeah yeah
it's a classic isn't it it's like y'all get some of the space y'all got removed from the
man i i don't even know what it is i
need to i need to watch it is it a movie have you not seen it what is it oh it's it's from
his bodybuilding days when who was it who was his first competitor well well hold on set the movie
well it's you're about to say it it is one of a great documentary dude he is like talk shit but
he he's winning the the the confidence oozes off the screen.
It's almost like, God damn, it's deplorable. Like you, you, you almost, but it's, it's very good.
And it was like a hit. It was kind of a hit. It's a classic. It's called pumping iron. You must
watch it. You big, I'm sure you're, you're, you're, you're going to want to get even bigger
Jan. In fact, you're going to be a little jealous that you're not even that big yet.
I don't want to get bigger, bro.
I don't want to get bigger, man.
Oh, fucking Jan.
I'm trying to help you, bro.
I just want to be a healthy mobile guy.
I'm playing tennis now, guys.
My wife told me that I need to play tennis with her.
What's your age?
So I'm playing tennis these days
I'm going to gym less man Troy that's good dude I love tennis man I always got rackets in my car
anytime you're in America seriously visit once in a while Jesus Christ does it have to be he lives
in LA so those rackets may be for security and safety no dude I got all kinds of equipment I got
I got I got I got some other equipment in the car that i would not yeah yeah uh i don't want to speak about but yeah always have sports equipment in
the car two skateboards football basketball somebody said what are we talking about the
space bro we talked about veganism an hour ago we're fine we're gonna we're gonna accidentally
talk about blockchain i think it's fine we've been here for two years i'm just saying it's a
lot of pumping and stuff like that. Oh, I see.
I see.
Yeah, a lot of pumping.
Yeah, this one went way by.
No, but I just imagine seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger with his big muscles.
It's just kind of, I don't know, the idea of Bitcoin pumping.
I think we go higher, of course.
180 conservative by end of year.
Man, everything is pumping, man.
Even Solana is like 210 right now.
Like, what the hell is going on, man?
Like, everything is fucking pumping.
Let's keep it going.
I want to see Doc at a billion, man.
Like, Leo, like, you got to tweet more, man.
You really need to tweet, like, the abandoned, what is it?
More all caps.
More all caps.
Yeah.
Yeah, you need that, Leo.
And some rocket ships.
Come on, man.
And some alarms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jan, earlier today, Mr. BRC was on the space I was doing,
and he's a good trader.
He does a lot of macro stuff,
and he showed me the ETH chart and the SOUL chart.
He's got 1,000x long on SOUL at 400.
He thinks it's going to 400 by end of year.
Like, I don't know.
I think the guy's pretty smart,
especially with trading and analysis and stuff like that, Mr. BRC.
But other than that...
Detroit.
Yeah.
You play pickleball?
I can play pickleball, table tennis, all that shit.
I have never tried pickleball, but I would like to try.
Same kind of style, same kind of dynamic, top spins, slices, whatever, just same shit,
but different scale, right?
But I love that stuff. The thing I know about pickable is that even Bill Gates can
play it so I think I will be good at it the so my buddy Chad Chad Chad told me
that in Dubai I've never been to Dubai they play he goes have you played
paddle ball and I said no and he they call it padel over there I was like no
I was like what is it dude
it's crazy it's crazy has anybody played paddleball or padel they fucking they call it padel
over there it's a different it's different to pickleball you play it in like a slightly
different kind of a stadium and i think it's more like a mix of pickleball and squash
on that note um in about a minute or two minutes i have to padel myself over because mr e and i
will be starting the mystery zone um but of course as always it's been an absolute banger of a five
and a half hour space here with the legends leonitis trevor and yawn as well as everyone
else on stage and the amazingly beautiful audience.
Appreciate the hospitality and the space,
and we've had some amazing discussions here.
So thank you so much to everyone for that.
And, of course, looking forward to the next Ordinal show.
I mean, I'm not obviously saying Leonidas is closing up or anything.
I don't know what he's doing.
I mean, I think we're ready to close it up.
We can just, if people want to go hang out for a few minutes over on the mystery zone,
we can Trevor.
You guys are good with that,
right?
Yeah.
Everyone is welcome.
Everyone is absolutely invited to come hang out in the mystery zone.
I'm not trying to,
you know,
steal people away,
but I kind of am a little bit,
but no,
go start it.
I just appreciate it.
Yeah.
It's like going to an after potty.
Yeah.
We're going to start. Cynthia's going to go to an after potty. Yeah, we're going to start.
Cynthia's going to go start the after potty.
But right now?
Yeah.
Yeah, we're starting about right now.
So much love.
The link is somewhere on top there, but you can also just follow my profile and I'll be
popping in there in two seconds.
So much love to each and every one of you and we will see you guys soon.
Awesome.
So we're going to play some sailor music in a second here,
but I'm going to find mystery space.
We can go hang out there for a few minutes.
Okay, nine seconds ago, we got a space.
Mystery is live.
I feel like very few people could pull off using their name plus zone.
I don't think I could pull off the Leonidas zone or the Trevor zone or the Yon zone.
Well, it's because it's Mr. E and it's also mystery.
It's a double meaning.
This is a good point.
This is a good point.
Do people notice that most of the Toshis in our space are gone?
That's probably a good thing, isn't it? I mean, all the Toshis in our space are gone. That's probably a good thing, isn't it?
I mean, all the Toshis.
Are dumb, you're saying?
I didn't say dumb.
I think he said that if you have dumb Toshis.
I didn't say dumb, I said they're gone.
They came and left.
I think he's implying that people use the word Toshi to fool people
to thinking that they are somehow authentically like, you know, it's like they put the word organic,
you know, on the meat basically.
It's like the same thing putting the word, the Toshi suffix in your name.
Yeah, we haven't had a good hearing with the Toshis.
You know, I think like the, I mean,
it's funny because a lot of people think that Toshis are different people too, which just cracks me up.
But that's still the case.
But okay, I think we're going to wrap here, guys.
We're moving to the mystery zone.
Jan, I would love to see Jan start at Jan's zone.
I feel like that actually might have legs.
But look, we're going to be moving over to the mystery zone in a moment here.
So this space is shutting down. I'm going to play us some music. Trevor, you over to the mystery zone in a moment here. So this space is shutting down.
I'm going to play us some music.
Trevor, do you want to say anything?
Send us off here.
Have a great rest of your week, everybody.
Bitcoin all-time high.
I feel like we're just going to wake up one day.
You're going to go to sleep.
Wake up.
It's going to be like a 10K clip day.
You know what I mean?
So just say your prayers tonight, guys.
Let's pray for the 10K clip day.
And have a great rest of your week and great weekend.
$150K by Bitcoin Summit, guys. Let's pray for the 10K clip day. And have a great rest of your weekend. Great weekend. 150K by Bitcoin Summit, guys.
Wow, wow.
It's bullish right now.
We want to tell the asset that's a profit.
People that use fiat currency as a store of value.
We call them the core.
We call them the core.
People that use fiat currency, we call them the core.
