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🌱 .Bitcoin2 PNS To Hologram . Permanent Open Chat $XCH 🌱 4.11
Recorded: April 11, 2025 Duration: 2:03:22Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, participants explored the potential for a permanent name system on the blockchain, reflecting a growing trend towards decentralization and user empowerment. The conversation also touched on the challenges of funding and development in the crypto space, alongside the excitement surrounding innovative projects that aim to redefine digital identity management.
Full Transcription
Good morning, everybody. Good evening, wherever you are. Afternoon. If you're on the space
station that is in a swimming pool somewhere in Hollywood, pretending to be on a space
station, then welcome to the space. A real space. Not like the fake moon landings oh no
bart cibrell you are a legend yeah let's get this posted out in the different places
put the spaces in the different places
great space with drac i think it was probably two days ago that's probably wednesday morning i guess us time that was about two hours long a bit after perhaps very interesting space
a little bit of a few truth bombs there from the Drak.
Hey, Dusty, good to see you.
It's been a while.
If you want to jump up, obviously, you're welcome anytime.
Interesting, I've received a message about the DNS name system on Chia.
Someone asks, also interested in working on that.
That's really cool.
So, yeah, there's a lot to talk about. There's a lot to get into.
Look, Bradley Wallace, Art with Heart. Look at... Yes! Bravo!
Welcome to the stage. The host with more than the most.
That is Art with Heart. Welcome to the stage.
Hello, my friend. Happy Thursday. How are you?
I'm doing really good. Yes, very deeply. I Thursday. How are you? I'm doing really good.
Yes, very deeply.
I can feel we're going to have a deep conversation today.
Yeah, how are you, my friend?
How was your day?
It was good.
Busy, stressful, taking out some big, like, header of a wall to replace it for another
one today.
So, high stress day day but it's over with
what does that look like could you describe it a bit more uh well basically where they had their
garage door um they're being put like a big double sliding glass door um so i had to lower the header
that was there and then put a new one in.
And then they have glass going between it and then another wall of glass going above that.
So I had to fix the structural wall basically today.
Wow. And how many hours of work would that be?
That was like four or five hours of work to cut out the old one and put the new one in
wow also also i heard your space this morning or i guess last night for me but
it was your thursday morning ava space really enjoyed that as well yes yes good old mark and
ava on uh agentic agents i've got a very genetic ai've stepped your game up so well.
And I just really appreciate you and hosting this space with you
and talking to you every week.
It's been like a breath of fresh air for my mind.
And just hearing, seeing as well, but really hearing you step the game up,
you've really taken it to a new level.
And that space you did with Drak probably two days ago in America,
two hours or so, where you were letting out some steam a little bit,
but that's all healthy.
But I just think you've taken that to the next level.
You've really, what you're doing is very impressive.
The way you're doing your show, Mark and Ava, the catchphrases,
as you'd call it. That's not really a catchphrase.
It's more of a, like an audio tag, I suppose. Like a, uh,
it is a catchphrase, but that seems like the wrong.
Yeah, I guess it would be a catchphrase. Yeah.
It'd be like a, um, a slogan in a sense.
A bread phrase.
But not, yeah, a bread phrase.
Rebrand it. Uh, it. Yeah, but just it's full of so much energy,
and you've just done that thing where if something happens,
I now want to hear you guys talk about it.
So you've hooked me.
So, yeah, awesome stuff, my man.
Yeah, it's fun.
It's been a really natural, organic incoming of kind of what it is so um yeah mark and ava like
like i said it's it's come to the point where where people again always call it mark and ava
instead of notebook lm like it's it's just kind of become the household name for it but yeah you do
something every day and you become a little better at it each time you know like i said you it becomes to a point where you're not trying it's just kind
of doing yeah so you're saying it's ingrained it's like second nature yeah it's habit now
you know instead of trying you know i mean now this is what six months of doing it every day or
months of doing it every day or at least four months of every day i think we started doing it
just weekdays the first month and then we started doing seven days a week um all of december so
yeah so it's four months or so yeah yeah uh you're being creative with it though i i don't
it's not my imagination but i've heard a little good morning
yeah that was that was this morning a little shout out to shane out there if he listens back
um yeah we've been trying to trying to get him to say some pretty funny stuff uh at the beginnings
and ends so you gotta you know prompt hack that and uh your prompts to get them to say stuff.
Yeah. Has Shane ever been in a space before?
I don't know.
I'm pretty sure I've seen him in space as well. I don't know if he's participated.
I should invite him along. I've got a few choice words I'd like to say to him.
But yeah, I mean, the way you put the way way ava suddenly it's like they went a bit uh
it's almost like they've got more personality like picking out the chia catchphrases
so i suppose you've programmed it to do that i guess is the reality but at the same time it's
it's i think it's two things it's the, how we dictate the sources, how we input that into
notebook LM in the first place. And then again, like learning how to get them to say certain
things or, or, you know what I mean? A certain way, like, cause you have to put it very directly
in the, in the prompt and you have to, you know, you have to know
how much information you're providing for how much time.
And that's kind of, kind of all the, a skilled guesstimate on its own.
So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's fun.
It's, it's really a lot of fun to get to know and utilize these AI tools and to be
able to, you know, have a creative safe space to play with it in a sense and able to, you know, have a creative, safe space to play with it
in a sense and, you know, try to dial in a product per se.
You've got that thing, what are they going to do next?
It's really exciting.
And I always say it takes a lot to do something every day that isn't ingrained in your routine,
like brushing your teeth, whatever, drinking water. But when it's something, when you're doing a live broadcast, you know, even Andy Garcia has never done that.
Robert De Niro, they don't do broadcasts every day.
You know, this is a lifestyle now for you.
And yeah, you've stepped it up.
Yeah, I've enjoyed it.
I'm glad others are enjoying it too.
That was the whole point of it right it was
like all right well if we show up an hour a day an hour and a half a day whatever it may be it
gives others the opportunity to be like okay well if i want to start you know something a day it
could be like again doing your laundry it could be making your bed it could be um you know working
on a project but like you can say
okay well 8 30 a.m uh eastern time they're gonna be doing this so like maybe i'll start doing my
thing not even listening to mark and eva that doesn't even really matter it's just the initiation
of something daily where you can be like okay well i'll set my time to doing this every day
at this time when they do their thing. Yeah. And then it's
there to play back. And yeah, I really
enjoy it. But yeah, the space you did
a couple of days ago, that was
really... Yeah, I
agree with a lot of what you said.
I find it somewhat refreshing
to hear it, just
because you sometimes think, is it just me that
is thinking that, I guess? But to hear other people, then to hear it just because you sometimes think is it just me that like is thinking that i guess but to hear other people then to hear the
someone's voice the passion in the voice you know it's for real it's a pure opinion and uh
it's one hell of an interesting time i mean god i mean it was interesting that the conversation
lasted so long too because at first like jock's, I don't know if I want to, you know, bring this up in a sense.
So he's like, I don't know if he was just like, you know, personally griping and then he was like, felt better.
So he vented.
So he was like, okay, well I'm like, no, no, we should bring it up because this is the conversation.
You know what I mean?
Like this is obviously been passionately reacted to on both sides.
So, um, it ended up being quite you know uh an
interesting and detailed conversation yeah very very um i don't know if i guess i i won't put you
on the spot to sort of recap it i'll just say what i heard because that's like i there's no
reason why not to i heard a lot of, and there was talk of a fork.
There was talk of, you know, basically being disrespected a little bit.
And I do agree, why tell Drek that just build something?
I hate hearing that.
I don't hate a lot of things.
The number of times I've been told in the last three years, just build something i hate hearing that i don't hear a lot of things the number of times
i've been told in the last three years just build and i'm like ladies and gentlemen ladies and
gentlemen i have an idea and i want to build but i've been handicapped by not enough funding
not enough developers hours to do it can anyone help well just email to.net okay that that didn't return an email what shall i do next
just build it's so insulting and drag is building he did the launch a week yeah
and and you're you're building too like all these people that are part of this are building so like
that that as an excuse is is not an excuse in my sense that that's just ignorance um especially for people
who are in the space every day like like you said we literally run a space every single day um so i
mean who's showing up more you know for for nothing in a sense um than us at that point you know it's
like well you again i think that was a foods brought up a really great point.
You know, it's, it's really easy to say, oh, I'll buy your XCH at, uh, at,
at, for your paper hands or, uh, whatever.
But when you're selling 50,000 a month, you know, to, to make payroll and, and,
and expenses, you know, that, that it's, it's a sleight of hand.
Yeah, and with all the living costs,
bullshit, which is,
it's being manufactured and controlled, in my opinion,
because they control the supermarkets, the media, everything.
But with all the living costs going up,
it gets harder and harder to justify
working on something that doesn't seem like there's any support
on it, I guess.
There is support in the community, but not where it really matters with an open source
system.
That's funding and developer hours.
They're just not there.
So what do you do?
And again, I said it in the space the other day too. It's, it's, we can complain, but we also in the same right don't have a right to because it has been plainly said out there that their market is enterprise and that's what they're building for and that we're welcome to compete in wait wait wait i'm just yes i'm saying like that has been the
message we are trying to build a retail market on a chain that's building and has interest in
enterprise markets um whether that's from from start or now is is a is a point of the person it's coming from i wasn't there at a point where
it wasn't that you know so so this is coming from my end of it um is it it's a tough market they're
not operating like other chains they're not funding other chains because in a sense it's like
They're not funding other chains because in a sense, it's like, we're the peasants and they're the, you know, the Kings and vassals.
Um, so the market that we're dealing in isn't even a market that they're interested in participating in.
So like, it's great tech and the community that we have is amazing.
And the builders we have are amazing.
Um, but unfortunately
you know there there is no retail market for it right now yeah and when i interrupted before sorry
to cut in when you were talking it was the barbell strategy when i got into tier it was said that
we're going to focus on 50 enterprise 50 uh let's say organic community the barbell strategy i heard gene so it's one
thing if they said we're enterprise like what can we have a grant to for ten thousand dollars to
build something it's like different it's well we're an enterprise block today what you what
you try to do go to ethereum whatever right easy but they were saying that we were looking to fund that equally not less that it
so you stop working on it and then you get given the run around with grants fair enough
whatever the only people who got grants ended up working for them but put that to one side
and then because they're being paid so much to see.
And now they're saying we're enterprise only.
I mean, it's I don't know.
It's hard to see where you go forward without a fork at some point.
But maybe that's what the gene's trying to do.
I can't rule out that they're trying to big brother us and keep twisting the dial of, well, this will annoy them a bit.
Finally, they'll figure it out.
They just have to fork it. So I'm not even
saying it's malfeasance,
but something is off
about it. So
it all points to a fork, I think,
in my opinion.
But I don't want to put anyone on the spot here.
You know, there's options.
That's the key of it.
That's the point of it.
If we don't like how it's being
operated we have the full sovereignty to go elsewhere we have the full sovereignty to like
you said uh fork it um we have the sovereignty to go and write our own chain um there's you know a million different ways we can go about this um i am
in the same boat i feel emotionally as an investor but as a developer as a community member i'm mixed between because it's like the logical brain side of me says like I know what
this is and like I'm here for the tech of it but obviously as your time and energy and effort
and business gets put in that's obviously a deterrent I would say
yeah but just going back to the direct space with you you know it's really
i could just tell yeah that's that was building up a little bit and
i'm not i've just pinned something at the top in the midst of the last weekend blinking and it was almost a perfect square day
we got crude eights on here by the way from the one and only joe wallace
oh you cut out eric shared this publicly so I'm curious to get your thoughts on it but
I see a Kia with no pre-farm called Bitcoin 2 and then and call it bitcoin 2 go all in that's that's for me but i'm worried about war with china uh
not worried it's going to happen they planned it so i need to make a big play to try and just
even if bitcoin 2 fails even if just a permanent name system helps people share information
to link to the data layer.
But I just, I don't want to, I could, you know, you were saying earlier,
like building on Chia, I'm really not building anything on Chia at the moment.
Only the spaces community, which that is building, but the software,
I'm scared to raise the price of it in a way.
And that's weird, but it's like, well, I don't want people to lose money at the same time imagine if
the next song on chia music went uh did it like a hundred million buys or whatever and chia's price
went to a thousand well that's great in a sense but i'm worried about that pre-farm being worth
so much it's like i almost don't want to increase the price of chia just because i don't want to
see greed being like rubbed in people's faces,
which I feel that's happened a lot.
And it doesn't quite add up.
And I do want the price of cheer to go up.
Don't get me wrong, but there is a small part of me that's like,
wouldn't it just be better to do your grand idea on something with no pre-farm?
That's kind of going through my head as well.
So I'm throwing it all out throwing it
all out today on 4 11 i need to get a copy or something with ultimate accessibility at least
yeah yeah yeah sure
new.coms just imagine it just imagine it someone can download it from the data layer. Boom, quickest download in the world.
Boom, open the Bitcoin 2 wallet.
Boom, save as password.
Boom, that's intuitive.
It's on the user.
Boom, would you like a free name?
Yes, boom, 222 names, 222 bradley.bitcoin2.
That was a one-minute process.
And then boom, you've got your own free website
that's uncensorable so why are we not
doing that on cheer and i can only think it's deliberately not so it doesn't succeed that's
the only conclusion unless it's just people i don't know it's not like it's because i'm into
conspiracies because someone else could do this idea. This is the amount of money that
thing could make for almost no work relatively because the names that I've got open source
stuff out there. I just feel that it's all in the permanent, the new.com. Sorry, Bradley,
I'm full of what's the phrase beans today.
Piss and vinegar.
That's it. Yeah.
No apologies needed piss vinegar and coffee
that sounds awful vinegar and coffee
sounds like a very bitter acidic coffee but I guess it's better than no coffee oh no on that one here we go
yeah that's not very nice
don't you make yourself some vinegar and coffee
80% vinegar
just to try it it curdles your cream 80% bigger.
Just to try it.
It curdles your cream.
Yeah.
Yeah, so yeah, I wanted to say that, but
any other
any other kind of hot topics that
you wanted to get off your chest? I guess you get a lot of it off your chest in the direct spaces,
but still welcome if you want.
I'm going to have to get a new coffee.
Sorry.
I'm still listening, man.
Yeah, no worries.
Yeah, nothing pressing crypto or tech-wise.
Exciting.
We're at 21 weeks right now for my son.
So very excited we got to see him last week in uh in our last uh little sonogram that was exciting
wonderful has the reality of becoming a father dropped in yet
has the reality of becoming a father dropped in yet?
What's that?
Has the reality of becoming a father sort of soaked in?
I think it's still soaking in week after week.
But yeah, definitely starting to get more real,
especially able to see him moving around,
looking like a little human now.
Very exciting. around like looking like a little human now and very exciting gotta make yourself some coffee edward it's one of my favorite parts of that
back again guess who's back so i really just want to reiterate i do think that it's possible
that they knew that chia would be fought and the pre-farm was too big and they're just
big brothering the community to get rid of so i'm i think that's a really important point
because if you ever did have to go through the power structure of the elite,
then a sort of clever chess move would be likely, I would say.
But I do think it's possible.
They want us to fork it, but that's not guaranteed by any stretch.
I think it's maybe a 5%, 10%, 20%, whatever.
But I think it should be considered.
Whatever happened with ABBA
ABBA just didn't well it's still running they're still saying the two developers right
sexy or can Benetri this thing shout out to you both Ferris launch in sheer history uh the .xvh
chains they're signing in with like good mornings every day,
but I don't think there's many people are using it. My personal, I said I'd switch 80% of my time
to ABBA if they did a permanent name system, because obviously they're the ones behind the
first rented service. So there's no way that I'm supporting a chain that does a rented service again that's for well
not straight off so I said I'll work 80 percent of my time on ABBA if you do a permanent name
system and I never heard back so that was the end of my plus after buying some by the way I bought
quite a lot but uh that was the end of my involvement but if anyone else knows about
ABBA and wants to let
us know please do or reach out whatever because that's a fork right yeah absolutely and it really
well done and also they have ai built into the blockchain too so i mean that's a oh another one
sorry jumping is numbered nfts so the first NFT is like 00001, whatever.
So the idea of an NFT, the earlier NFTs are more valuable.
And yeah, that's a really interesting idea.
On Chia, obviously, they're random in a sense.
But yeah, would that appeal?
I kind of think there's negatives to that too,
because it makes the NFTs less valuable over time.
Like the further you get away from day one,
the numbered NFTs are less and less valuable.
So in a sense, psychologically.
Only if you're adding value as the current value add system.
So if you're playing the same marketing,
then yes, that is the value
is the lower number,
but there's many value add things
that you could put with token numbers.
Yeah.
And I would have switched
the basis to being about ABBA as well.
But I'm all in on a permanent name system.
I think it saves us from World War III.
And I'm going to do my best to make sure it happens.
A permanent name where you can control information has never been given to humanity before.
It's so valuable.
But do you do it on Chia?
I don't know.
There's question marks about it.
But anyway, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Art Thursdays,
the longest running Chia space in the world ever, I think.
Unless it was done in ancient civilization before.
We just, we're not aware of it.
But yeah, would a permanent name appeal to you bradley um yes if if done properly
like my idea of an infinite name or a permanent name would be like a unique identifier to that person.
Not necessarily like a dot XCH or dot this,
like a unique identifier for an individual that both gives validity of who they are
or what they're allowed to do in a sense
so permission based validity and
The permanency of belonging to that individual
Yeah, yeah like think of it like a permanent did yeah
you know like it would have to the value of the permanency would have to equal the
value add of the contract
i'm not quite sorry i'm a bit high so i i don't quite understand that but uh
so i wouldn't like it would have to be a lot of work to go into something like that.
I'm rather high.
So it would take a lot of Mr.
Wallace.
is he good?
Like,
I'm here.
I'm trying to send this tweet.
Yeah.
Permanent names.
New.
Coms.
Just imagine it.
Oh my goodness.
I'm Edward forever.
That's it.
My brand is now built on Edward.
But is it on Bitcoin too, or Chia?
I know what's sexier.
Okay.
Okay.
Let me just tweet this and see if I can get Bradley back in.
Bradley, I think,'s glitched out.
I guess I will remove him.
Although I like doing that.
Sorry, Bradley, this is not...
Can you hear me now?
Oh, no.
I mistimed it.
I removed him just when he spoke.
I'm so sorry, Bradley.
Can you hear?
Oh, you may still be there.
Oh, no.
I think sorry about that. I removed you as code. Can you hear? Oh, you may still be there. Oh, no.
I think sorry about that. I removed you as code.
I thought you'd glitched out. Apologies about that.
I had buttery fingers from popcorn, so I didn't want to touch my screen. What you do in your own private time is your own business.
Yeah, exactly. Well, it's also the public's business now, too.
But where we're going, there is no private business Edward to two dollars
yeah and yeah also shout out to foods I saw you just come in but I was saying that the direct
space two days where was amazing and you were a key part of that, too. So it's great to hear the thoughts out there.
Yeah, if anyone wants to chat or talk, it doesn't have to be about this, permanent names, whatever.
It can be about anything.
But, yeah, we're here every week.
So, yeah, as far as the permanent names, I'm just curious.
When you said if it was done right.
Yeah, just. i think there's so i was meaning as a company like i want the functionality of the contract of the of the
actual thing to do more than just be like a name in a sense like i would i would have to
be fully dedicated to that service you know what i mean for like a permanency in a sense like i would i would have to be fully dedicated to that service you know what i
mean for like a permanency in a sense like i would want like there to be a value-based permission
or a role-based permission attached to the validity and verification of that id. I would want it to I would want it to be, like I said,
like a permanent DID
in a sense.
Like a validation
of real world
advanced
like,
I don't know, identity
and validity without
providing personal details.
Like, I should be able to order something through
web3 um that validates that i'm over 21 without giving my name but validates that i am of age to
be able to buy something ah now is that a core use you want in the name or like a sort of like a secondary or that's definitely possible with a permanent name linked to verified credentials, but it wouldn't work out of the box. Would that be a deal breaker?
No, again, I'm saying like if I were to get a permanent name, I think that's more towards the functionality I would want from it.
Age 21 and over.
Because I don't want somebody holding my data forever
if I don't believe in utilizing that company forever.
Yeah, gotcha.
Yeah, it makes complete sense.
I hear what you're saying.
You want a node on the network.
It's like a DID feel.
It's this point represents me.
Yeah, I um, identity protection while validating and verifying that my
country and, um, age and, uh, validity of, of whatever else it may be saying that this status of this human is able to, you know, do this, um, without me having to give my personal like picture of my ID or, you know, validate some other form. It should be a stored system of validity
that is in a sense like my unique social security number
digitally that I'm able to log into all of my accounts with.
That would be a permanent name
that I would be interested in.
So I'm picturing if you had your permanent name,
artwithheart.bitcoin2,
then how do you add the age functionality?
Perhaps we could have some sort of a web or a network
where people could confirm their age
and the blockchain, I guess,
because everyone ages at the same speed
unless you believe in that relativity thing,
which I never really
believed, but may be true. But if your age was marked as a certain thing on a permanent name,
it would never be changed, I guess. And all the different permanent names could check that
the age that someone or the date of birth someone said that they were born was correct.
So it's possible people could lie with that though, initially.
I want to say even less identifiers than that name you're saying.
I would be fine with it being a random hash and string, like a bunch of numbers, a bunch
of mixed numbers and letters that I couldn't necessarily even ever remember, giving even less information out about my individual self,
but also providing autonomy and identity and verification
that I am indeed this living person
that has this said country of origin rights,
this said public age requirement requirement rights and so on.
Yeah, I think all of that could be done with VCs now, maybe.
There are viable credentials, but the reason to have the permanent name
rather than just a random hash is the ability to be able to say it
it and remember it. I think that's the core use. So it may be a slightly different thing that you,
and remember it.
I think that's the core use.
although you could have a permanent name with just completely random letters, but you could
have six, five, seven, eight, four, five, eight, six, seven, you know, a random string and do it
that way. But if it's just age verification, but I guess you're saying that's one of the uh one of the things
you'd want in it well i'm i guess in my mind i'm more like leaning towards like a quantum signature
of an individual that like locks on to who and how you are like not just a given number but like something that uniquely identifies you as a person
and therefore everything you do that interacts with technology let's say your pace of typing
let's say your amounts of stutters and ums and you know the pace of your conversation in the morning versus evening, um, you know,
those unique identifiers that make you who you are, that can't be faked by somebody else,
not even by like AI deep, deep faking something.
Um, those tiny micro expressions that make you, you.
So again, you don't necessarily need an identifier you are the
identifier that in my mind always links to some sort of body use and i feel that even voice like
verify by voice you're taking control of the vocal cords of someone. And I mean, is there a way of doing it without body feedback
or using the voice or eye voice?
I think haptic feedback is the most valid and important.
You don't necessarily have to use voice.
You could literally use the potentiometer and gyroscope
that's inside your phone, right?
So like your walking pattern your you know your step
your um just there there's all kinds of micro sensors that are inside of everything now
that you could utilize for your own patterning um how you hold your phone at a certain angle
that's all trackable data not easily i'd say i mean you
need some sort of device to do it and then it's who can put a bug in the device or you know well
that's already in your phones and stuff that's this this is all stuff that your phone utilizes
on a daily basis yeah but i mean i don't think I want to trust the phone from Samsung or the Android
operating.
They cut me off from banking.
In about three months, they said web-based banking, we're closing it in favor of the
app.
Three months later, the app is like, your phone is now too old to use it.
So I don't want to be trusting my phone to prove that I'm me because it's screwing me.
Or it's, it's, what was that phrase you said the other day?
Don't finger me, don't fuck me or whatever.
Like I'm being fingered and fucked by the internet banking already.
I don't need more of it.
There's a really good idea here, but I just, I feel like body data is, I just don't think,
even if it could be done, which I don't think it can
fairly, I don't think
people will want to do it either, which is
another
big problem. I'm willing to be persuaded
I just
putting my finger in something, having something
scan my eye, it just
No, no, you wouldn't have to
do any of that. It wouldn't have to do any of that it wouldn't wouldn't have
to like scan your finger i mean i i do that for a phone all the time that's not a big deal to me
but i can understand your hesitance towards something like that but again um there's tons
of sensors already built into your average phone that can easily pick up if it's you or not. It doesn't even have to know who you are.
That's what I'm saying.
It doesn't have to have your name.
You are the owner of this phone.
You normally walk around with this pattern of walking.
You normally pick up your phone.
You normally mistype these things.
These are all patterns that you do as a person that doesn't need an identifier behind it.
Like you don't need a name behind it.
You don't need this like empirical, um, you know, identity that we've been so adorned with for the last 2 000 years
i'm trying to i can't picture what it would look like
how would i find say if i let's say twitter went there how would i find you up with this
you can put whatever name it is like that's what i was trying to say when
we had this conversation a month ago or so about the the permanent names is that you don't necessarily
you can have 37 art with hearts just like on discord but your unique identifier in the system is a string of hash well that will definitely be the case with
nfts to do this they all are hashed as a one-off thing that's why the nft is i think the axe idea
doesn't use nfts i'm not sure but i just want to say this i probably said it before but
one of the absolute key pieces of information that i've learned in the last five years is that the elite, the elite, that's the people who rule the world.
They did not expect the invention of the NFT.
Now, the reason I know this, as far as unless I'm wrong, of course, is I heard Vitalik, Bram and Gene all expressed surprise at the rise and creation of the NFT.
Neil Stephenson never predicted it.
He predicted something else.
So I'm thinking, suggesting that the NFT is critical.
And therefore, all the infinite uses of NFTs have probably not even been investigated.
So if we can link a permanent name to the metadata of an NFT, it's such a small amount of data it's all on chain 100 and there's no image to back up it's just it
it would just i think it would just work perfectly and then yeah you could have a random string for
sure but imagine being art on that system, or art with art, of course,
but three letters are, you know, in the future, that's what's going to go up in price, not
the, you know, the carbon credits.
That's sort of, the human language is, it's just such a one-off random rare thing that
if we can somehow get it into the nft metadata it's
it should be a game changer yeah i really i think i feel it's so important but uh but i'm kind of
i keep saying the same thing again and again but uh so yeah so i've taken notes about the quantum signature, but would you like a,
does it appeal to have a new.com?
Like, would you like to be art with art.
Bitcoin too, or doc chia?
If it was in the wallet, you were just,
it was yours forever.
Is that a sexy thought,
or is it like coffee with vinegar in it,
which is not very sexy, I can tell you.
I tried it this morning.
I don't know i i feel like i am outside the norm with this um i i am not like i art isn't even my
name you know what i mean like i've been called so many different things from Duke to Ellis to Art to Brat.
I don't really care what's in a name.
Shakespeare said it best, what's in a name.
So that identifier for me isn't necessarily important.
The message, the action, the value, that's what's important. But I can
definitely see where you or others would find value in something like that. I guess what I'm
saying is that I'm a bad person to ask about that because it's not something that I really care
about. Not in a facetious way, just like as a, like,
I don't really care what people identify me as. I'm going to be me no matter what.
Yeah. Yeah. Makes it in that sense that you're a perfect person to ask. Cause it's interesting
to hear that maybe I'm just overexcited. It's not as good an idea as I think it is, but
no, I think it definitely has validity. I'm just saying that like where my brain is with it is I want to not, if,
if I were to bring this to the world and that is how I look at everything,
right. Is if I was running the company, if I was providing this as a service,
I would want to provide more than just that.
to provide more than just that could you could you explain a bit more what do you mean more than
just that i sorry i don't understand so if i was going to run a company like that and have a
permanent name service i would want to be a value add service behind that. Like, I would want to build a brand behind it,
not just, like, an ENS or a CNS.
Yeah, I retweeted something yesterday.
ENS, the penny has dropped.
ENS, they're saying this is Internet 2.
The penny has dropped that DNS is Internet 1.
We need to replace it.
But ENS is a rented name service, ladies and gentlemen.
Make no mistake, it's centralized.
A Bitcoin 2 permanent name service that's uploaded to the data layer,
the application itself, boom.
NFTs can be forked on Chia just like a click of a finger.
So if ever there was a problem with the name service,
you literally could fork it and just community would vote which version carries on. It's very safe metadata in NFTs on a blockchain
like Chia, but the ENS service, you're constantly on Ethereum trusting the rented people, the
foundation, which clearly is going to be the World Economic Forum.
And then certain names won't be allowed to be re-rented, and centralization will increase.
It's guaranteed on ENS, but the penny has dropped.
ENS is Internet 2, unless someone does it permanently.
And I hope it will be us.
Okay, more coffee. Yeah yeah i don't know i i think again i'm also a little spoiled because
we've been working on um you know permanent dns and our options maybe at permanent dns
again we haven't necessarily decided on uh on the the full complexity of the the custom
dns services but um how we were doing it is you're not so boxed into you know just like this typical
dot dns like not dot coms dot you know ai dot this dot that it's like you can put edward dot loose dot world
music um you know it can literally be anything it could be orange emoji uh edward you know like
so the combinations of the name and the variations is able to be wildly different from the beginning. So a permanent name service or even a varied name service
becomes much easier in that case
than just a simple dot three letter or dot two letter.
Well, I'm picturing that the name, the top level name,
will have that, that the name, the top level name, will have that.
The subdomains of it would all by default be owned by the top domain owner.
So if you owned artwithheart.bitcoin2, you would therefore own artwithheart.
Let me just picture this.
artwithheart.bitcoin2.happy.
Like you just said, but rather than it being just everything is out there ethereally,
you would own it if you own the top level.
So then those subdomains could be rented with an NFT click.
So if you wanted, I don't know, RVD to update your website for artwithheart.map, let's say,
you could click your NFT sign.
Do you allow this NFT address to update this website here?
Yes.
If you ever wanted to take it back because you permanently own it, click the NFT and it comes back.
You now have access and control, but the data layer store for artwithart.map
or .bitcoin2.map still has the same information that RVD uploaded.
So this system would allow for all the infinite domains below it,
but also the, I guess, it's not renting,
although you could do that,
but it's more like loaning the permission to update that site to any other address on Chia.
I think that should be trivial because that links to the data layer.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
So that was kind of what I was talking about, about giving permission role-based credentials.
Yeah.
Giving permission role-based credentials.
So imagine you own history.
There's only one history, right, forever.
So it's dangerous if one person owns that, in a sense.
Like, why should Edward own history.bitcoin2 because you could have the world's best history that's fake on there
so then it comes down well that that's all history right is is one side of the story
right is his story so their story that is that would be the truth very good point yeah his story his tory his tory
uh but then it comes down to well and this we worked into a positive and i believe it can be
worked into a tremendous positive so there's a 10 000 X in value in solving this problem. And that's just fractionalized NFTs.
How hard is it to give, to somehow break something up into 10,000 in terms of access control for it?
So imagine history.bitcoin2.
Okay, to save evil conspiracy Edward from owning history on Bitcoin 2 or history.com equivalent, it's too dangerous.
Fractionalize it.
10,000 people own a 10,000 and they all get to vote with, for example, the Wikipedia.
Only the 10,000 holders can update the definition or only the 10,000 holders can.
Do you see what i mean that there's a way around any sort of centralization
here with nft access if the nfts can be fractionalized so yeah fractionalizing names i guess
i'm planting the seed of that uh i'm sort of brainstorming out loud as well. I'm trying to, I'm picturing like a Wikipedia
where every word is a human readable name on Bitcoin too.
And then only the fractionalized owners
can update that word maybe,
or maybe they get to comment on it only.
Anyone can update the word.
And I suppose there's an infinite number of uses,
but just an end. Well, of uses but just well think of
it like think of it like your project right like world park right so you could have edward.worldpark
you know like that is your fractionalization is we're going to spend three hundred thousand dollars on dot world park and a dns service um now anybody
who buys this um ten thousand is part of the original yeah you know seed money investment to
be able to to raise the money for this whole thing so therefore you know you get five names
you get five names dot world park or world park dot this
that you can create through time or whatever it may be
that you'll have permanent access to.
You could do something like that.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Like you're launching some sort of brand
and it was like artwithart.zebra.unicorn
and you want to have 10 owners of that brand,
then I suppose each fraction of the NFT
could be the equivalent of seed money.
Like you have to spend whatever,
you know, $50, $500 to get the NFT,
and then you control that NFT,
and that NFT, or one-fifth of it,
that one-fifth control gives you access
to how the company is run, I guess.
Yeah, or it could be uh simple voting rights like you were saying like how the company's run it could be um again like you get to vote on uh upcoming features you get to you know you could
you could put that into a lot of stuff yeah Yeah, this is it. This is the infinite NFT usage.
The only people who lose with this is the elite
because they will lose control of information sharing forever.
It's that simple unless they can get a bug in it.
As soon as you can vote on decisions with a fractalized NFT
that can't be censored and is easy to set up, it's game over.
It's game over.
What you need is an unbiased AI decision maker that literally will look through the ballots without any coloration of care of which way the vote goes.
So that, again, that's been like the issue with DAO structures, right?
Is that usually there's some sort of centralization at some point in time.
So there needs to be a governing factor where it prevents centralization, um, you know, of individuals within the community,
um, while still providing equal value, um, and ability, you know, for new members to
still have a voice in the vote.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Voting with NFTs is a no-brainer all asterisk how do you confirm the votes that
were voted were correct that is a question so there is a question mark there but nft voting
i can't see why that would not replace the current council system because it's you know you're signing
the nft not a blockchain transaction you're signing
something but the question is how do you tally the votes and make sure that the vote counter is
not sort of lying or flipping a vote because that that's critical so you've got an nft you sign
something i suppose if there's five people that should be easy because you could all individually
count the votes to double check
what if it was like 10 000 though or where would you read again you'd have to you'd have to have an
ai orchestration system that both intakes the votes gives out the tokens validates that those tokens
tokens, um, are no longer inside of the, that wallet.
Um, and then, uh, tally the votes.
So I think it would be, it's, it's complicated, but I think with like the
ability of, of AI soon, we could have something like that where, where you
have, um, a decision maker that is unbiased
outside of the system
and able to validate and verify.
A brilliant use of AI, if that could work,
an AI vote counter,
then could the AI have a secret trick in it
that could flip the vote and you know,
one every 10,000 votes, it lies about one and you wouldn't know.
I suppose it'd have to be open source or at least you'd have to be able to
validate the data with human means,
which I personally can't do because I don't understand coding.
So it's a great idea that if you could count the NFT votes somehow.
Yeah.
Either way, Mike White has got an NFT voting system on Chia that works.
And it's really cool.
I did a Mutant Ape vote there with the 10,000 NFTs of the Mutant Ape Square Metaverse.
And it worked really good.
Mike White's system was just
really sweet he had it set up where you couldn't vote more than once with the same nft and there
was also an option for you can vote as many times as you like so two types of vote and it's yeah
it was really good but how do you make sure the votes are real if you're going to build like a
new form of government or something like that or a new form of community on it how do you how can
you trust this yeah that's well you do um participation right so like an earning of votes
earning of participation comes from participation and contribution.
So you have to earn that token.
So like, you can't just like start a new, you know, page in a sense and get another
token to vote.
Um, you would have to like discord, like you'd have to like earn a certain rank from participation communication
and um discussions in order to get the ability to do it that day so you know i think there's ways
there's there's mitigation there's means there's methods
yeah i love the discord idea where it's kind of like access points because for sure if you've
got fractionalized or shares of an nft five different signing things then having different
levels of access should be quite easy i think uh maybe i shouldn't say say should be quite easy because I don't know if that would be easy, but well, I guess different NFTs or the fractions could sign different levels of a structure maybe.
So yeah, that's what Discord is. I'm talking out loud here when I'm trying to picture it.
Sorry if I'm mumbling and rambling, but Discord.
It's like you gain access to secret areas, basically,
don't you, with higher levels?
Or you have more control.
Yeah, it's permission-based roles,
like verified credentials, like you're saying.
Yeah.
Perhaps you could give a role like a code checker,
so that if there is a possible problem, maybe someone could check the code
if they have a certain access, or maybe only certain codes could update it.
Or then again, that's centralized, perhaps. I don't know, just thinking
out loud.
Yeah, I love these long rambling
kind of idea sessions
they're some of my favorite spaces
see when it comes to votes
the quantum identity
signature like I was
talking about earlier this is where something like
that would come into play
yeah
any sort of human body feedback i don't think
i don't think it would even if it could work i don't think people would do it
that's the problem with that well again it wouldn't even have to identify you
that's what i'm saying is. You can't vote twice.
Because your unique identifier.
Only picks you up.
So you can say.
You've already voted.
It doesn't have to tell anything about you.
It doesn't have to store any.
Long.
This is moving away from the data farming. That we currently use.
The amount of data that is out there.
On you right now. Should really be the thing that you're scared of and disgusted by because that is like
the the truth behind it is is how much data that they can pull off of a phone um off your location
off of the microphones off of everything that listens to you on a daily basis that scans your face
um that looks at your eyes it does all this stuff already this isn't like a future that we're like
running scared from this is already happening on a daily basis the quantum signatures is what
brings us away from that so that you don't have to have personal identifier information
it's just literally picking up a pattern in the system
that's it my understanding is that that pattern in the system is coming from some sort of
feedback like biofeedback am i mistaken there um all that would be stored inside of this system
All that would be stored inside of this system is a number or a hash and a collection of those patterns, not who you are.
But to get the collection of patterns, does any of it have to come from a human body feedback measurement?
of patterns does any of it have to come from a human body feedback measurement um it can but
again it's like it's can be just utilized off of haptic feedback i'm not sure what that actually is
what is that so again like the way you type the way you type on your keyboard uh the way that you
walk the way that you like just carry your phone around on a daily basis.
It doesn't actually have to scan your face, scan your fingers.
Well, how do you measure it, though?
You're trusting a physical device that has to measure your walking or your keyboard typing.
yeah it does that very well already I'm slightly lost with it because I feel that
Yeah, it does that very well already.
you have to measure the physical movement somehow yeah it already does that
unless you have a flip phone your phone does all that all right.
Through potentiometers, accelerometers, GPS, it already takes all that data.
And then it takes your typing history.
It remembers what you type, how you type.
All that is individualized data.
That's individualized pattern data.
But I don't want my body to be monitored by my phone secretly,
or even with my permission.
I'd rather not have any body thing monitored,
or any behavior monitor.
This is just for me.
Maybe other people are into that sort
of thing but i feel i don't know i feel that we should be trying to move away from being monitored
into more of a i don't know that's what that's we're saying the same thing but what what you're
taking as monitoring you more is what i'm saying is the key to freedom.
So instead of tracking all that data and then selling it to a centralized server
and then being able to track data, this is just simply like your pattern is your password.
Like nobody can access that data but you yeah yeah that kind of I suppose that's kind of
where I'm going with the permanent name system the PNS my yeah system the uh because it's the
password is key yeah if you can't save a password my PNS is not for you that's for sure but if you can't save a password my pns is not for you that's for sure but if you want to gain access to
it my pns system then if you can save a bitcoin 2 password you're set you can have as many names as
you want you can sell them as nfts and it's got a hash that represents you individually and it's
yours forever and then stick the browser in the wallet and then we're off that's like we're off to the moon then i hope
just call me the record that keeps playing itself uh yeah well i guess we've been going like now, if anyone wants to chat any other topics,
then please come up with kind of chatting the, we started off chatting about the direct space.
Then I brought up permanent names, which is my little pet project, not pet project.
It's what I really want.
It'd be so easy to onboard influencers with it.
And that's the key.
But yeah, anything else?
How about
Dracatusverse?
How's the new release going?
Oh, going very
well.
He's been a little behind on stuff this week just
because of uh stuff that's happening in real life um but yeah overall uh going very well
nice
just been building and trying to get done i still haven't um i haven't opened your white
page up yet i've left it unread so that i can remind it because it stays up on my top of my
x page and doesn't get buried but um i have you on my schedule this week for that
yeah nice i sent you some uh plans last week Some of the thoughts I've got for Music World, Music Park, Music Village, whatever it's called.
And yeah, it's interesting that we've got a nice little square with your father being such a great artist and the crude apes and everything, which I minted last week.
It just, it's just really interesting the number four is such a key part of a square and i feel that if you can correctionalize
an nft into 10 000 small squares then you know it's I really think that's the future.
How do you fractionalize NFTs? But I'm definitely rambling now.
What was I saying?
Something about my dad, four.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, last week, 4th of April, 4-4, was kind of when we had an interesting chat in last week's face.
And so the plans that I've sent you, you know, I think that they're.
Well, I would be very curious to hear your thoughts on it. I'll I'll just leave it there.
Which part?
Let me just check.
I can't remember exactly what I sent.
I think I sent the...
Yeah, that's it.
You said send the white paper.
So I sent the,
basically the full plans simplified.
Very nice.
Like I said,
I haven't had a chance to look at them this week.
I've been crazy with,
with work and stuff,
but I'm going to be looking at them this weekend.
Maddie is going down to Connecticut to see her friends this weekend.
So I have some time to review it.
Yeah, very curious of your thoughts.
I think I'm going to do a Kickstarter very soon
and just try and raise the money to do this.
I think this is the best way forward.
Data layer for people wondering what I'm saying.
I sent Bradley plans for Music Village
because I'm worried that what I've been working on for the last year,
the Authenticity Institute, may in fact be some sort of sabotage unit itself. And I'm not 100%.
I don't think it is, but I have to work from the presumption that i'm being slowed down there as well so i'm
i think just do a kickstarter so that's kind of where i'm going but i'm very curious of your
thoughts because you said you'd like to help me and i i asked you and said yes please so if
if you can that'd be great if you can't that's fine as well but i'm going to go to kickstarter
i want to pay for this get this running because i really
believe in audio campfires and it's only a matter of time before someone steals it one way or another
so i just want it out there before world war three that's ah god i'm fired up today what's wrong with
me nothing's wrong with you it must be the 5G pumping in my brain.
Time for some more weed,
I think.
Mellow out.
Yeah. Cheers, man. I'm still listening.
I've just taken my headphones off.
Cheers to you. close to you
that is why
all the DBCs
will use the
love
sweet love
that was a strong hit.
I probably shouldn't have done that.
Oh, well.
Is marijuana legal in China?
It should be.
The Chinese tourists have stopped coming to Thailand, apparently, a couple of months ago.
Yeah.
Some sort of call center scandal.
And they say that all the Chinese tourists have stopped.
So tourism in Thailand looks to be up, but all the money is gone because the rich tourists are not coming anymore.
So Thailand's in a bit of a tourism slump, which is a bit weird.
Interesting.
Higher numbers, less value.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so hopefully that gets figured out but yeah oh i don't think i updated
you on the earthquake in bangkok too many of these high-rise buildings looks like they're going to
be i'm not sure what the word is uninhabitable again uh broken maybe? I've seen structural damage in photos
and some of it is like if that's
on every floor or close to it,
they're just going to have to
pull the building down.
So yeah, crazy.
I hope they have an appearance.
Well, yeah.
Good luck. I don't know. I don't know how that would work I it's
gonna be a lot of money isn't it so it depends we really you know about the
Twin Towers right yeah what happened with that one again I can't what was it? 9-11?
So the crazy thing, right, is so they got like $7 billion for the plane hitting the first building.
Well, he had just, the guy who owned the towers had just taken out this giant policy on the buildings. Literally like a couple months before.
And so they counted that as two separate terrorist attacks because two planes had two buildings.
So he claimed two claims and got almost $ billion dollars for those buildings
14 how much again sorry like 14 billion dollars right yeah and didn't larry silverstein take out
the insurance on building seven like about two or three months before. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Just a couple of months before.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
I don't know who owned the insurance for the first two towers.
The only one I knew was building seven,
but yeah,
that guy,
Larry Silverstein.
Yeah.
They,
they took out a double terrorism policy,
on nine 11.
Cause like I said,
there was two planes that hit two buildings so
he claimed that they were two separate attacks and so they got double what the value of the buildings
were wow wow and wow and of course it looked like demolitions and building 7 definitely did. I mean, it just... All three of them, yeah,
fell on free fall, so...
Well, it's 4.11, guys.
The day the truth is finally coming out.
Put it in your calendar. 4.11.
9.11.
You need the X-Files
play again, Edward.
Those days were fun.
... ... ... play again, Edward. Those days were fun.
Starring Dusty as Special Agent Fox Mulder.
Who would be the Scully
in the cheer community?
Put a red wig on me.
You can call me Scully.
Starring heart with heart as special agent
Dana Scully.
Yeah, the X-Files looks
different today.
My favorite show as a child.
It could be predictive programming
now. So when they're talking
about UFOs, it's possible that that's all real.
I don't know if it's an alien.
It could just be a human design.
But the X-Files looks weird.
Rupert Murdoch.
Rupert Murdoch owns Fox.
He's not a good guy.
What if it's not transdimensional?
It's not transspecies, but it's trans-time.
That'd be so...
If you could time travel,
that'd be so hopeful
in a lot of ways, but I don't think
it's going to be possible.
I feel that's the one constant.
Time itself? I think so. whatever time is and i i'm not saying it's
necessarily minutes and hours but i feel that that may be one thing we can't overcome uh i think we
can i think that the that once the equation of time is broken, that time is able to travel back in a paradox
without affecting the past.
But you can only go as far back
as when the formula was possible.
So if you go before then, you have the possibility or chance of that formula not existing.
So that's where it starts to affect the paradox.
But once the formula is proven and written, it creates a point in time where you can go back because the formula is already written into time.
Time is nonlinearlinear we just perceive it
as linear yeah definitely open to that i think it's possible time is not linear but i just
time is not linear but i just i i would love it if we could time travel but i just
the way i i uh the way i perceive time is it's just always moving forward that's probably the
fallacy i've got so well that's the perception of it but time is a spiral you know like it's it's a movie being rendered like in live action
in our observation in the observation of us is that said movie which is collapsing
waveform matter into existence so the spiral can be followed backwards which is your
the spiral can be followed backwards, which is your point in time and coordinates
and the actual time, like geo space time lock of where let's say said location was,
but time can be traveled back through just not through current perceptions.
Like, so you seeing it forward,
um, will always continue to see forward, but
a possible string reality of yourself may travel back in time,
but you will never experience that.
Another version of you would experience that
version of you would experience that.
You're creating possibilities, not necessarily changing your own perspective of time.
So like, let's say your chance, right? Like the, you have a three and five odds of winning something.
Well, you might change a paradox, right? Which would allow it to be four out of five.
But you personally might still experience that loss.
But in the collective whole of string theory,
now there's four of you that have won instead of three.
It doesn't guarantee you the probability that what you're trying to experience differently will happen.
that what you're trying to experience differently will happen it just changes the probability of
the collective whole working positively in your favor if that makes sense the weed has hit me
if that makes sense the weed has hit me it's the the idea is the thought is not
crystal clear but that's probably because the weed just hit me but I'm
enjoying your riffing here so like think of it as like card counting right so if
you can count the cards it's not as big of a chance, game of chance. You can predict the game more intelligently.
uh i'm not sure i understand i'm trying to
piece it together but
so think of it this way right you go to an nft giveaway right and you are there with four strangers and there's only five people, right?
And only one of you wins a prize.
So when it's just you alone, you have a 20% chance to win.
But now let's say you went with three friends.
So there's only one stranger there now.
So the chances of you guys winning as a collective is actually 80%, not 20%.
so time travel
time being not just one existence but more like string theory where there's
multiple dimensions of you happening all at the same time takes your collective whole of going from 20% probability of it working in your favor
to now, let's say 80%. And it may not be that extreme of a difference, but somewhere in between
there, because now you have affected one timeline, not all timelines. So the more timelines that you travel back in the more that probability
locates up to a higher point of of positivity for you that sounds good i mean anything that
leads to more positivity is is a good thing i think that's or or probability let's say, not necessarily even possibility or positivity.
But yeah, it just, as a collective of Edwards, Edward Looses, all the Edward Looses that live in Thailand, all the Edward Looses who live in Japan, all the Edward Looses who still live back in England.
There's only one. Across.
True Edward Loose.
Yes, which is the collective of all of yourselves.
So you're talking in this world or in different dimensions?
You're saying like all the Edward Luce's in Japan?
I'm talking this in every dimension.
Isn't that infinite?
That's not infinite so let's say you've made 1 billion choices in your life right let's just round it out. You've made 1 billion choices, right?
There's probably at least two different paths.
Let's say super static that you could have gone down with all of those things.
Yes.
And no, let's just keep it simple.
So now that makes a possibility of 2 billion possibilities of paths that you could have gone down.
1 billion choices, yes or no.
Two-dimensional.
So that means the maximum possibility of dimensions that you could have been existent in is 2 billion.
Simply from that point.
Now, that's like the rule of probability.
So let's say it's three to five choices on average through that 1 billion. So let's just average it out at 3 billion different choice situations that you've made throughout your life. So that is the different possible amounts of
dimensions that you took. So that is the maximum amount of dimensions that you exist in. Not
infinite, but probable from different paths. Interesting. Like decisions I make like hollow out
different realities or different dimension possibilities yeah just like
different choices you've made throughout your day like or life that add up to who
and how you are now because this version of you is a probability
it may not even it may be the the minority out of all the probabilities you don't know
you could be the divergent one of all the edward loses oh for sure none of the Edward Looses can touch me.
No chance. If there's any Edward Looses listening and you would like to debate Edward Loose, then please do. Edward Loose versus Edward Loose, live.
So, what if all people on this earth and this dimension were different versions of you
now that's an interesting thought yeah like everyone is part of it like you're part of a
uh we're all like different sort of reflections of energy and something greater we use. Yeah, think of it as a shattered mirror.
If God wanted to observe everything
from every possibility,
then God must be everyone and everything.
I can rhyme with that, yeah.
I can definitely rhyme with that.
Right?
So you would be a fractal divergence of me.
We come from the same origin, right?
We're both human.
We both have these 23 genetic alleles, or not alleles, but genetic DNA factors.
But we are a variation, but we're still 99.9% the same. Yeah.
Yeah.
It does feel, if we're in a simulation, it does feel that something like that is going to be the case.
If it is a simulation, I do feel, if anyone is monitoring me and i'm in a simulation i'm starting to sense it guys or whatever you are open the door for me look left
look right uh what if realization that you are everyone and everyone is you is the door opening?
Well, it would be, I guess.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now take that a step further.
Now the universe is you.
Well, I should be able to create a permanent name system then myself.
I mean, if I'm the universe, it should be guaranteed.
So then it is.
Nice.
That's positive.
That's hopeful.
Now you just have to wait for the time.
Or you put in the energy and effort now and speed the time up
so you have the ability to time travel forward you also have the ability to time travel backwards by
remembering something so you're able to do time travel in your head I'm still trying to process it
is dreams
are they some sort of time travel
or is that so from my understanding dreams
are where higher dimensions come into contact with us
that is how you could say like how the universe is the muse to our creation.
That is its way of participating in creation.
I could believe that for sure.
Yeah, can we go back and talk about Building 7 a little bit more?
Because we're drifting around.
It's the way it should be.
But just to be completely like cards on the table,
do you think that Building 7 was a controlled demolition?
Oh, 100%.
And they've admitted to it since then that it was an FBI building
and that there was threat
um this is their cover story anyways that there was threat to sensitive documentation inside that
building um and they had a hundred thousand gallons worth of diesel in the basement and
they blew the charges on it yeah yeah who who's pulling the strings here or if that was a controlled demolition
and then lots of british soldiers american soldiers died as a result and people died and
all the bad stuff from the wars then
like i don't know i'm a bit worried about putting you on the spot because it is recorded, but I don't know if you want to hint at who could be behind it. I mean, I'm happy to. I will,
but I'm good. Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious where two days before there was a black
budget hearing looking for $2 trillion worth of missing money and that the one office uh that magically
had this data in it um was at the pentagon and it got hit by a by a plane that the video
still can't be found of that could only be penetrated by a ballistic missile so i'll just leave that there yeah that's what i think really is that the guy who said what was his name the guy who said that
thing about the two trillion was missing was it rumsfeld he's obviously connected to people
who did it or he did it or something so basically outstanding politicians somehow a link to doing it is my take
and if to take it one step further is well how do you get away with it well there's one thing
that you definitely have to do and that is to control the media so for that to be the case
to control the media that much you must have complete control of the media in some form or another.
Well, you don't have to have a complete control.
You just have to have a majority control.
Yeah, that's really what I mean, because it's not 100%.
I mean, we're not controlled here.
So, yeah, for sure.
You don't have to have 100% control.
But you just have to have a critical mass of full control of it.
You know, the newspapers, TV, the internet.
You have to have critical influence.
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Yeah, for sure.
So whoever did it must therefore control the media to keep this quiet.
And that's where it really gets interesting as to what's going on. That's why permanent names, ladies and gentlemen, on Bitcoin 2 can't be censored.
If we get it running, it would be the new media, the new dot coms that are permanently owned.
So I want to keep coming back to that.
We have a chance to fight back with a permanent name system because it should be uncensorable
linked to the data layer.
Free mirroring, this is the dream.
This is what Michael Taylor was working on.
Why is he gone quiet on it?
I'm just, to me it's a bit suspicious,
but I think he's signed an NDA.
So I don't know if there's any active
data layer development going on.
I've read that there is, but I can't see that there.
I can't verify it.
So a permanent name system relies on data layer.
There's aspects of it being worked on.
That's good.
Would you say more than before or less?
Different aspect.
Is it still being developed as actively as before differently
that sounds like it's not a
direct answer i guess that makes me think it's being worked on less than before i i again it's it's not necessarily less it could even be more but it's in a different capacity
i see like it's original use and the functionality of that hasn't had much or any development on it in a while
but there's different aspects of it being developed for the enterprise side
ah okay well that's unlikely to help me so i'm kind of thinking that that's why I was just saying differently. Yeah, that's fair.
But yeah, permanent name that links
to data layer. So if
Building 7 was a controlled
demolition, which it was, it means that
someone or something is controlling all the media
or as a critical mass.
And that is what I think is going on.
So the question is
why and how...
They're called media conglomerates for a reason.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ted Turner.
Of course, he's allegedly the one who put up the Georgia Guidestones.
Ted Turner owned what?
Time Warner, was it?
Of one of those?
I think.
Ted Turner.
Would make sense.
Ted Turner, Time Warner.
I think he merged with AOL at one point.
And the media story was
Turner loses like 20 billion,
biggest loss ever. They always do that
with some of the top people in the media
who own these conglomerates.
They make it seem the narrative is about
them losing money once, or making
money, but... yeah well that's
like with bill gates and his recent like dr campaigns and bullshit yeah for sure i mean
he's a great a psychopath i mean same thing with zuckerberg yeah do you think he's a psychopath maybe no i i just think he's just putting on like all this
public pr media stuff to try to get him seen as not this like you know zombie uh shill you know
person working for the government in a sense yeah he did it He had no color in his face, didn't he,
for about five years
when he was in that Senate thing.
It was like his face was a square white rectangle
and he just, all of the blood had drained from his head.
And now he's doing MMA.
He's like, oh, I'm into jujitsu.
Sorry about COVID.
Sorry about that.
But you can trust Facebook now.
But yeah, he's definitely part of it. I don't know. Yeah, I like that. you can trust facebook now but yeah he's definitely part of
it i don't know yeah i like that you can trust us now yeah i never trusted you before and i trust
you even less now like why is he not in spaces if he was like yeah please step into the showers
yeah it's nice and comfy in there trust me i know I brought you here on trains, but...
Yeah, I think he's just a figure for it.
It's a surveillance network, and he's just one of the media characters
that is forced, like Jack Dorsey or Elon Musk,
they're forced to play the role of being the head of it,
whereas behind it, they are monitoring people
and controlling the media somehow.
That somehow is a very interesting interesting rabbit hole ladies and gentlemen but a permanent name system would at least as i visualize it be
completely uncensorable that is surely that's a that's a i just got to keep saying it i think
that the media the people who control the media have planned a World War Three with China.
And we've got to stop it.
We've got to stop it because it's going to be the death and the loss of all our privacy.
What's left of it?
It's all going to be gone.
If there's a World War Three, they planned it.
This is scripted.
World War One and Two are scripted.
It may sound crazy if you're hearing this for the
first time. My research shows
World War I and II
were both planned in advance.
That sounds crazy, but
I actually believe it's true. So if I and II
were planned, III definitely is, and it's with
China. We've got limited time, ladies and
gentlemen. Relax.
Enjoy Art Thursdays, where we chat
about Building 7 on 411. uh welcome everyone for
coming we weren't kidding when he said we won't forget
yeah it should just be well i don't know i'm picturing let's say that world war three is
going to happen tomorrow and it's already started it know, I'm picturing, let's say that World War Three is going to happen tomorrow. And it's already started, it started in 2020, and maybe before, but let's say it starts in the media tomorrow, like, how quick could you tap someone on the shoulder and say, just to let you know, all the world's media, you know, World War One and Two were planned, here's the evidence.
it's got to be better than actually having a world war with China.
How quickly could you wake the world up if you only had 24 hours?
Could you do it in 12?
Or are people so determined to just stick to the media as independent
that no matter what you tell them?
Yeah, I think it's going to literally take years, Edward.
Like, years.
What if we don't have people are so brainwashed i i know trust me trust me i know
but we can't let the prospect of that possibility of cloud our probabilities
possibility cloud our probabilities. I've got a potential girl in Iran right now.
Like, she's beautiful, big, big personality, a lovely person, and I want to see her again.
I don't want there to be a war with Iran, if it was scripted, or even if it wasn't. So,
I'm doing it for her as well. You know, people will sleepwalk into it.
I'm kind of worried people may want war in a sense.
Like it would be easier to accept that a war could destroy all
and that all the media is controlled.
That's a bit of a worry, but there's got to be a way
that love shines through here.
Surely there's a way.
Yeah, I believe that wholeheartedly and then that they
may be an unpopular opinion or an unsupported opinion but I don't care I
am an optimist always will be an optimist eternally will continue to be an optimist um yeah there there's a way and
i don't know i'm i'm working every day you know in in that aspect trying to make that possible
and if you know i'm out there and you're out there and there's other people like us out there
working towards that um then that hope is not dead, at least for me.
It fills me with tremendous hope.
I love your positivity.
It's one of the things I love about you most.
It's just a magic source.
So, yeah, thanks a lot, man.
I love doing these spaces.
I listened back to last week's space,
and there was almost no energy in my voice.
And I was like, God god I don't know I suppose it's a lot of it was because it's it's often first thing in the
morning for me so I'm barely awake often but I just absolutely love hosting this space so
thanks for everything you do and just bring in the positive just everything you do it's it's
amazing man same to you brother I look forward to this every week yeah thank you yeah me
too yeah we i think this is the first week we've chatted for the entirety right first time ever
that's interesting first first time in a while yeah it's been a while it's been kind of nice stuff
yeah for sure you get to go into the details which uh don't always get to do, I guess. But yeah, it is an open forum.
So if anyone wants to come up, please do.
And we can chat about anything.
It doesn't have to be the X-Files permanent names or World War III.
But those things are linked together.
I pinned at the top 4-4 PNS to Hologram.
It's a potential roadmap for Bitcoin 2 from the launch of a new chain with no pre-farm called Bitcoin 2
that will be powered by PNS names, permanent name system, that's metadata powered NFD system that
the community would run and would burn chia in fat, chia pizza, thanks for that idea.
And it goes all the way through to a gaming system that could link to projected holographic realities
in the future i've calculated this plan if a lot of people work on it together it's a six-month plan
if they don't then it could take five to ten years that's all fine though because it's a permanent
metaverse that will be projected at the end of it. So I've pinned that at the top.
That was 4-4-2025 from Bitcoin to hologram.
How do you do it?
And it's all powered by permanent name system.
So I'm plugging my own idea there at the top.
I'm going to pass a controversial idea, Edward.
Go for it.
Deep thought.
Deep thought.
Deep thought.
Okay.
What if God doesn't exist yet?
Wow.
What would God be in this?
God would be the evolution of souls.
Right?
So the thought I was talking about earlier,
you are a refraction of me. A slightly different variation.
Right? So, God would be the collective
of all souls. Not just one,
not just many, but the collective of all.
So, God doesn't exist yet in this linear time forward, right? God exists after time, outside of time, in a higher dimensional form that isn't affected by time. So, in a sense, you can look at 3D, 4D reality
as time not completed yet.
So, therefore, God would be the movie of all time,
all dimensions, all as a collective of one.
We are just a fraction of God that hasn't been completed yet.
But the key to God existing in the first place
is loving yourself in every version of yourself,
even the shitty ones.
That's a nice thought yeah
i'll be back so when people say they don't think god exists they're right because god doesn't exist yet.
It's evolution in the highest. The problem with God is it means different things
at different points to different people so I
I take the idea though if it is some sort of fractionalized
simulation where everyone in the world or universe from my perception
or perhaps from yours or anyone's it's just
you know, all the sort of different energy that someone not yet linked.
And in the future, it links and that becomes the new quote unquote God.
Then that's an idea I could subscribe to.
But God just means so many different things to people.
But that's the point, point right is that you look at
yourself in the mirror and you look different but you're still me because it's not about the identity
it's not about the name it's not about the word it's about the pattern
It's about the pattern.
It's about the frequency.
Talking of frequencies, does this sound better or worse than before?
I've just switched to a different mic.
Sounds pretty clean and crisp now.
Is it better than before?
I'm just curious which is better.
I think this is clearer, yeah.
Okay, that's nice.
Not necessarily better, it's just clearer.
Mobile phone beats PC mic then, I guess, is the...
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not really, I'm kind of lost when it comes to like God topics. I find it hard to talk about because I don't really i wouldn't say i don't understand it
but so think of god as is not god as a phase not the highest but like just like think of god as a
superhero the best possible version of a collective archetype.
So there's many gods that has many different archetypes,
but God is a condensation of archetypes.
So each one of them is a different archetype,
or you could say religion,
how they act,
what they do,
who they are.
It's just like characters of stories that are told over and over in different
books,
different movies,
different stories.
They're archetypes.
So a God would just be um a collective a concentrate a condensation
of that specific archetype
a specialist per se
per se
I've just had a sip of beer
from a hand I bought yesterday
and it's got like about
it's the first time I think I've ever done
I've got like about two sips left
and for some reason I saved it
why not?
it's 4.11
the truth is coming out
the truth is out
imagine a Bitcoin 2 wallet It's 4.11. The truth is coming out. The truth is out.
Yeah, imagine a Bitcoin 2 wallet you could download from data layer.
You just cannot censor it because there's too many mirrors of it.
You can install Bitcoin 2 and then get a permanent name system that you can see what's linked to it in the wallet itself.
So it's got a browser built in, just a very very basic what is on this story shown in this wallet where can that go wrong i'm trying to
sort of steel man it a little bit where apart from the development needs to happen obviously
that's what i'm trying to advocate for and raise money for if necessary. But if the development can happen, where is the bottleneck in that system?
Where could it be censored or attacked?
I'm throwing that out to everyone.
Very curious to hear people's thoughts.
Because if the actual wallet is saved on the data layer,
it can't ever be deleted.
So boom, that's one.
If the name is an NFT on a blockchain that's uncensorable, boom, you can't get rid of that.
If the browser equivalent is built into the wallet that's undeletable, you can't censor that if it's mirrored enough.
Asterisk.
And the data that's stored on the new .com, the Bitcoin to address, that would
be on the data layer. And that would be mirrored, presuming that someone mirrors it. There's an
asterisk there too. But the goal would be to replace .com. So everyone would be incentivized
to mirror websites on it. So that's something to consider.
But where's the weak point in that?
Where's the this won't work of this?
I'm really curious.
Can you think of any?
Not off the top of my head.
Well, that's good, I guess, because I can't either.
I can't see a problem with that.
So it's just I think it's a really hopeful plan that can work if we can get it going, I guess.
We as in the world.
But a P&S system that links to data there.
Call me the record, the broken record.
Or should it be the working record?
Because it's saying the same thing again and again.
We'll call you the recursive record.
How about that?
I like that.
I think I'm going to start releasing music soon.
Fuck it.
Release music, perform live, just go all in.
I'm anti-World War III, so apart from that, I'm pro ever. so
I'm curious what the rattling is there.
Oh, that's just me typing on a keyboard.
Oh, another one.
Ah, another one.
I'll throw this one out there.
How easy would it be to have a website where you just update it with a simple JPEG
so that it wasn't HTML-based, it was just an image?
Hmm.
That wasn't very enthusiastic.
No, no, my brain's thinking on this.
Like how it would go.
Like I'm designing it in my head.
I think that if grandma can drag and drop a Jpeg into a simple app on her pc or phone even take a screenshot of her phone and it's upload to your name store the permanent name
location on data there and it just goes up there then you don't need to have weebly in this system
you don't need dreamweaver you don't need a service Weebly in this system. You don't need Dreamweaver. You don't need a service internet provider.
So it makes me think that the way to upload and update .coms
has been deliberately kept complicated
because why can't a website just be a simple ping file, 1920 by 1080?
Boom, there you go.
One link, if you click it, and you could have different subdomains
where if you want to go
to the help page that's also a ping file like why does it have to be clickable links on the page
why can't the information just be a jpeg by default i'm saying i'm not saying it should
only do that but i'm just saying for grandma it's got to be easier to update a website if
you can just drag and drop a picture in rather than subscribe to Weebly, basically.
Not Weebly.
What's it called?
WordPress.
That's it.
WordPress.
It's just .coms are so hard to update.
Why isn't it just drag and drop?
And I think that a permanent name system could actually do that as well.
Drag and drop in the wallet.
Boom.
Grandma's website is updated.
You could update it multiple times a day.
I wonder what grandma.bitcoin2 is showing now.
Well, where is it?
Well, it's in my Bitcoin2 wallet,
which is uncensorable on data layer.
I type in grandma.
Well, not dot anything.
It's just grandma because there's one name
and then you see a website
loading from the data then
it's just
if you're listening out there
God please
please make it happen for Edward.
Okay.
Well, we're coming up on two hours here what do you think should we close it in two hours so you can get a good night's sleep or should we keep rambling on we've covered a lot of good topics
yeah i guess um if nobody else wants to come up i i wouldn't mind uh being able to take a shower
and get into bed uh at a decent hour um but i did really enjoy getting to chat with you just
straight up for two hours that was nice yeah me too man you fill me with so much energy like i
said i love your spaces what you've done is so creative. Using the, well, I think like two catchphrases
and making it so listenable to every day
and using AI creatively in a funny way
is really, you're ahead of the curve.
So yeah, you're just amazing.
Yeah, it's really fun to try to mix in humanistic uh traits and attitudes towards the show as if
they're you know real people crashing on the couch um that's just been a joke that we've said since
the beginning because at first the first like few days people didn't realize that we're using ai
um and then so like a couple weeks ago we we're like, wait, how long have we been
like, doing this now? Like, I wonder if there's people who think that these people are real
because we haven't pulled the, you know, we haven't mentioned that it's AI in a while
just because it's so like part of the daily thing, you know?
sorry i'm just updating the name oh there we go yeah yeah so what happens next i guess
do we see a fork of chia i'm throwing that out to the listeners do we see a i don't know, I kind of think there should be the main chain
a fork of GIA with no
pre-farm for free
and a relaunch Bitcoin 2
from day one
with all the problems fixed, four year halvings
that's what I would
go for, so three chains
could come out of this, I'm not sure
curious of your thoughts
say that one more time, sorry three chains could come out of this. I'm not sure. Curious of your thoughts.
Say that one more time.
Sorry.
Oh, sorry.
That last one.
I'm stationary now, so I probably squished.
I'll sit up.
Yeah, I'm kind of think that there might be three chains coming out of this if there's a fork of Gio.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
A third chain um i mean honestly if i'm gonna get involved
in another blockchain um it's probably gonna be rocket chain um honestly like if i'm gonna put
effort into something um it's gonna be into building a blockchain. Rocket chain? What's that?
I think I know, but is it a blockchain?
It's L2, technically.
Basically, we've built a blockchain through the process of what we've done with TangTalk and through Dracatus,
all trying to make a real-time layer.
But in the process, we basically literally had to build
90% of a blockchain already. So it still has full validation, still has Merkle tree hashing,
still has, you know, a ledger and again, checks and balances, false statements, truthy statements, falsy statements.
Yeah.
If it's going to go somewhere, that's
I wouldn't say necessarily a Chia
fork, just Chia compatibility
or a fork
compatibility,
but taking the greed out of crypto,
like being able to do all these things that we're already
doing without necessarily
gas fees and trying to pay for all this shit all the time because like that's the issue right it's
like oh do it on chain do it on chain but if you're doing it on chain it's just like a bunch
of wasted money in a sense um for no reason like putting this on a ledger doesn't cost that much
uh maintaining it through you know uh modern efficient processes doesn't cost that much. Maintaining it through modern, efficient processes
doesn't cost that much.
So why are we just
fighting over all this
fucking money shit all the time
over trying to
build tech?
It knocks the wind out of your sails
you know like
that's where I'm at with it
nice exciting stuff with Rocket Layer
it's a really good name as well
I could really imagine that catching on
yeah Rocket Chat and Rocket Chain as well. I could really imagine that catching on.
Yeah,
Rocket Chat and Rocket Chain.
R-E-W-K-I-T.
Rocket.
How could that link to a name system? I'm just thinking off the top of my head.
Well,
that's what we're working on with
the permanent DNS system.
Ah, I see. Nice. That's cool. Wow, that's what we're working on with the permanent DNS system. Ah, I see. Nice. That's cool. Wow. That's very, uh, yeah, that's like a great,
what's the word, like synchronicity, I guess. Yeah. Like I said, the stuff that you're wanting
to build, I see very close parallels with stuff that we're already building. So that's what I'm
saying is once we figure out how to properly present these layers um getting your stuff up on it you know will be really easy
to do from there awesome because we already have the music player we're already trying to rebuild
twitter spaces and we're already working on customizable DNS.
Wow, awesome.
This is the food that my brain needs to hear.
So ladies and gentlemen, we're past the two-hour mark.
Me and Bradley have been chatting for two hours.
It's been amazing.
We've covered all sorts of stuff.
I got my plugs for permanent name system, PNS, and talked about 9-11 was an inside job,
controlled demolition, and also just ending with rocket layer and some of the stuff Bradley's working on permanent DID so replacing spaces that's music to my ears so awesome stuff so
yeah thanks a lot Bradley as always and any you know closing thoughts, final thoughts? Well, I did have
a thought that your P&S
might also be an inside job
for some.
Love it.
That was all.
Take it easy, my friend. You too. Love you, my friend you too love you brother
yeah love you brother goodnight
sleep well or I guess enjoy your day
