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Bored Bubblegum Minting Now! 88 Prizes Irl eats Break Bread 🥖 apechain
Recorded: April 26, 2025 Duration: 3:57:16Space Recording
Short Summary
The Bored Bubblegum Machine project is set to launch, offering unique NFT minting opportunities while emphasizing community engagement and potential rewards. Discussions highlighted the importance of informed participation, strategic partnerships, and the evolving landscape of crypto projects.
Full Transcription
Thank you. GM, GM.
GM, GM.
Let's fucking go. What's up
GMGM
What's up
Come on up and speak
I'm old enough to remember that
That's funny
I didn't know that's
I didn't know how
That was how I was supposed to say it.
Oh, when I went down to Art Basel, like a few years ago, um, and there's all the apes events
and stuff. Um, somebody handed out these little tiny foam bananas, which we gotta get. Um,
Oh, I've already got them. You haven't seen them yet. Have you?
Uh, I don't think so, no.
I'm going to take a picture of them right now for you.
Like, I had all these other Twitter accounts for my different apes at the time.
And they all had the banana phone, you know.
And so I did a whole, like, massive, like, thread, retweet, quote tweet of, what's up?
What's up?
And then I started adding in the memes of other celebrities getting a phone and all this.
It was like this whole crazy thread.
Hey, guys.
How are you doing?
You okay?
Yeah, yeah.
Good.
Yeah.
Sorry, you were having technical difficulties yesterday right
oh no it was absolutely horrible i don't know if it was twitter or or x or our connection but um
it was just i caught like every sixth or seventh word something like that it was just it was just
very very bad connection but um absolutely i love what you guys are doing obviously we picked up uh
three on the first day we were were in your first streaming session and got spaces.
Oh, great.
Got three.
We were in yesterday, but couldn't really hear much.
But obviously, got a better connection now, so come back for a little bit.
Yeah.
Twitter's been so buggy.
You can have people on stage, and they register as a listener,
and the little purple wavy lines don't show up so you don't know who's speaking.
Sometimes if you're not familiar with their voice.
I wish Elon would focus on his own project and fix this app.
and fix this app.
Yeah, most definitely.
It functions
basically, but
obviously it does have its issues
and its problems.
Yeah, they're just ongoing the same issues, you know.
Yeah, we're absolutely just
delighted just to have
been able to find
this, you know,
and buy into it. So we're really happy.
We're sitting good um going
to see obviously how the mint develops for you for you guys um and hopefully catch you at ape fest as
well yeah yeah so you're you're an ape as well not not uh not an official one like you i've got one
of the poor man's mutants well you're in the club. I'm in the club, but it's
not an OG.
Yeah, well, you know,
it's all the same.
We're in the same club.
It's not a...
You know what? The rising tide lifted
all our boats to the same level,
and no matter where the tide is,
whether it's high tide or low tide,
we're all at the same level.
Yeah.
Membership has its privileges, as they say.
Yeah.
No, I love being part of it.
I love the 3D models and stuff like that.
And we've been stacking a lot of the other deeds and stuff like that.
So just waiting for that to go.
Yeah.
Got a lot of.
Yeah.
You see Adam Weitzman,
you know him?
Yeah, he's got like 1,400.
1,400 that he just
added.
And then
Mega Kota. Oh my god.
On the sly,
before it all sort of breaks
out, we've been adding a lot of the
other vessels.
So not many people have picked up on those at the moment,
but obviously there's over 100,000 other deeds,
but there's only 13K vessels.
And the vessels, well, the floors doubled in the last week,
so we're just going to have as many of those as we can
because they're only about $14 at the moment.
Which ones? And we're just going to have as many of those as we can. They're only about $14 at the moment. And the vessels...
Which ones?
The vessels were...
The side vessels.
So everybody's going to buy orders.
When you expanded your deed, you got vessels and all that stuff.
Everybody's going to pay...
Do you need a deed to be able to get the vessels?
Use them, yes.
I'm not sure what all the future utility might bring
but I'm sure when perpetual other side comes in it'll it'll play a part somehow um but it was part
of the Legends of Mara game or something maybe I can't we we we read through the document and as far as it states, the vessels, you can use them.
They act as like hunters and chanters and mythics and stuff on your other deed.
And they go and harvest minerals and whatnot.
And over time, they have the potential to transform into coders.
So if you're wanting to get a coder, but you don't want to pay, obviously, the one-eth plus floor price,
you just go and buy a bag of other vessels, keep a hold of those, and over time, they can develop into coders.
So we've just been going and picking up bags full of those.
You know, there's only 0.6% of them available.
I think there's 150 out of the 13K available on OpenSea.
So it seems like a no-brainer so once other deeds
does drop i think they'll go crazy because i think what i was looking through the data
and at one point they were selling for like uh 0.4 eth um and now they're at like 0.009 i believe
they are and they were they were they were half that um only two weeks
ago so i think people are starting to cotton onto it and starting to load up on them because
people are going to need them the ones that can't afford quotas is going to be your route
into getting a quota but you'll just have to work for it that's all
yeah quotas are awesome by the way, what fantastic analysis and forecasting.
And I don't care what world you're in, that's better than alpha.
Yeah.
Just going to do a bit of reading and a bit of research.
Unfortunately, not many people in this space do read.
There's a lot.
Right.
Just go on the Clubhouse or go on other on open
sea or magic in just click on the on the on the link that's on the bottom of or at the top depending
on which site you're on um it's all on the other side website right just read the document it takes
you about 10 minutes maximum to read it then you get the whole information on what they're about
it's just i think a lot of people are just too focused on the other side but i think it's bad i think it's bandwidth you know
people can only participate in so many different things and so they focus on their things so uh
yeah it's just uh who knows um the the tldr is even a thing a thing. As a writer and an editor,
it's like I have to embrace that that is the environment
and the audience right now is that they would say TLDR to us.
I'm like, okay, I hear you.
We've got something we want you to understand.
We want something that we can both connect
over, and so we're going to need to figure out how to translate this so that your response
is not TLDR. By the way, Pancho, I sent you a picture of the phonanas.
Oh, okay.
I texted it to you.
Put all the goodies up there.
Yeah, so...
So for people that might not know,
because we're recording this,
and down the road, if they want to listen to the whole thing, they'll be hearing this, even though they may not be here at the moment.
Tell me a little bit about The Other Side and how that has really enriched and augmented your experience in the ape community.
Well, to be honest with you, I've only had a mutant for the past three months. in the ape community?
Well, to be honest with you,
I've only had a mutant for the past three months.
So I would consider myself relatively new,
but whatever I do get myself into,
I do make sure I read up on them quite extensively beforehand.
Because I don't like to frit away,
obviously, ape, eeth, whatever so um from my understanding the obviously other side
is going to be are you are you aware of have you participated in any of the project dragon or bubbles
or any of that stuff we we we missed out on the um the guinness world record attempt because of our
the same problem that we had yesterday which was the connection so we were trying to participate in the guinness
world record attempt but we missed out on that unfortunately um but from my understanding and
from from what i've read it's going to be basically um a far far superior version of nifty island where
a far far superior version of nifty island where um there's going to be minerals within the
um in the other deeds which you can basically harvest right um sell by yeah exactly um i think
you can even pillage by the looks of that's why some of the coders have weapons to defend
um right and uh basically you can build your own ecosystem in
there because at the moment most people just interacting via x spaces um so this is going to
give people areas and places to go to build and interact differently so for you at the moment
you're selling your products and your aprons your bags your cups and stuff like that via your
website and obviously you've got obviously your twitter spaces and your bags, your cups, and stuff like that via your website.
And obviously, you've got obviously your Twitter spaces and your Twitter profile
where you can promote them to.
But obviously, I believe in the other deed, there'll be a section of that
where you can build your own physical digital store.
And people can walk into it, interact, buy things,
transact in Ape and ETH and whatnot.
So I think there's going to be a whole host of that going on and but until it physically drops
nobody is 100 certain obviously i've seen some of the 3d renders and that have been sort of dotted
about the last couple of days because at the moment we only see that we only see the the
the artwork that's on open seal magic Magic Eden for each individual other deed.
But the way they've transformed it into 3D renders is quite spectacular.
And I'm looking forward to getting involved in it.
And I believe it's June when it goes live.
So as these other vessels are still cheap, I'm just picking up as many of those as I can.
And then hopefully, once the penny drops with everybody that you can actually use these within your
other deed to get yourself a coder or two coders or whatever,
the price of those is going to rocket because like I say, they
were nearly half an ETH when they first came out when they
were transacting originally. And I think people then start to
focus more on the other side and having your land
pieces and took the art their eye off the ball on the actual little chess pieces that you need for
the board which i believe will be the other vessels yeah i posted up top a little thread about
other side where i've been involved in the different trips and, you know, basically instructions for anyone, not an ape holder, don't even have to hold ApeCoin to create a UGA ID.
Anybody can join.
And it'll be perpetual in June or July.
I believe it's June.
But I've been on, I think, all but one of the trips to the other side from the very beginning.
When avatars didn't exist, we just had these basic avatars and whatnot.
And since the 3D models came out, it's just amazing.
These battle games.
But what I'm most interested in, obviously, is the bubbles feature. And bubbles are basically Twitter spaces in a 3D environment of the other side where you can host a bubble and, you know, talk and chat and do all the things we can't hear, but be floating in a bubble above the other side and steer it around past Pee-Pee Man's birthday cake and all the, you know, clubhouse and mutant cave and all this other stuff.
And the clubhouse has poker tables.
It has, you know, we've sat down and played poker and just different types of games like uh project dragon was kind of a capture the flag
uh thing we when we set the world record uh for most in a single instance uh in a in a game
um you know but i think uh we've you know we didn't have a game happening, but at one point we had over 7,500 people on the other side.
The technology from Improbable is just amazing.
And I really look forward to how that expands.
And it seems like different worlds will, different worlds will be, you'll be able to enter, you know, the bubbles or you could enter, you know, shootout game or you could go play poker in the clubhouse in different worlds that are created.
And and then all this mining and gem collecting and so forth is all kind of who knows.
And we really don't know what the hell a COTA is yet or what COTA farts are supposed to be for.
It's all just kind of a mystery to most people within the whole ape community.
the whole ape community uh still you know after like another year and a half two years since the
other side or the whole idea was presented so um but let's uh move on and talk about
the bubble gum machine what do you say jennifer
uh if everybody could retweet the room and uh some more people in here, that'd be appreciated.
I frankly, you know, here's the thing.
The gumball machine, the mint, the connection to the apes, having a made by apes license, 348.
By the way, if anybody wanted to know where the price for the mint came from, it came from our
MBA number. And for Ape 7217, Pancho Poppins, and this conversation about the other side,
part of the clan, the family of yuga has been really fascinating because as you've been talking
about the other side and the codas and the opportunities which are embedded in the timeliness
of these moments where something happens and our attention gets drawn away from something else,
creating an opportunity.
For those who are spending time reading and paying attention,
the analytics of the future are going to be built upon the skills that you're developing now to scan in a different way a data set that is evolving and percolating
and bubbling, right? So when you are learning the new skills of this new world to bring your own
keen analysis, every data point for every second that you're spending time in the other side, for every bit you're reading, the rewards for reading things that are TLDR, the rewards for spending the time will come in lots of ways.
But the dividends will be in your ability to analyze things, to see opportunity in ways that nobody else does.
Because no two people are going to have consumed all this information and data in the same way.
You are a unique expert about this moment in time, yuga, the other side.
And so when you take the time to generously share your forecasting and analysis of this environment. It's truly fascinating.
And for those who understand what it is you're talking about, it's extremely valuable.
It is beyond alpha. And I think alpha is the low-hanging fruit. I think we need to come up with some term for information
that is not the low-hanging fruit, but the ripest, sweetest, juiciest fruit at the top of the tree.
Instead of alpha, which is the low-hanging fruit, what are we going to call that information that
you're sharing right now?
Oops, did you have something?
No, sorry, I clicked the wrong button.
But no, I was going to say I totally agree with everything that Jennifer was saying. And there's enough room in Web3 as it rapidly expands for many, many people to win.
All you need to do is just read.
All the data is there for everybody to read on white papers or online about projects.
Just read.
Don't be sheep.
Read.
But the problem is too many people in this space, they become a sheep and they just follow the herd, you know?
So, yeah, my bit of advice to somebody is just read as much as you can on the things that interest you and just focus in on those things and don't spread yourself too thin
absolutely can i can i'm gonna share so there's a project that you may or may not have heard of yet. It's a meme positive environment and experience.
And one of the things they've announced in the last 24 hours is that they are
creating a shopping mall, a shopping center.
And what's so interesting about this is the way that they're approaching it.
And, um, Poncho, I actually forwarded you the message about this. So I don't think it's
anything we want to promote because we haven't done our own research yet to say it's something.
But what I found really interesting about it is for somebody who is recognizing that the transactional
who is recognizing that the transactional dimensions of life, where we need to get the
things we need that we don't make ourselves or grow ourselves. So getting some milk from the
dairy farmer and getting some vegetables from the vegetable guy and getting a Guinness from the classic brewer. Whatever it is we need,
we're going to need to trade for and transact for. That fundamental aspect of life isn't going to
change whether we're doing it in real life or we're doing it digitally. And that the future
is hinting at being a combination of those things. If you've ever ordered food delivered to your house through an app,
you've already been part of the bridge.
How much of the bridge is going to be built over land?
How much of that bridge is going to be built over water?
These are things that we don't know yet.
But we know that the integration of these two dimensions is going to
evolve in ways that make it more fun, more profitable, more expensive, more inexpensive,
more delicious for our in-real-life experiences, which is one of the reasons why we want you to understand that the bored bubblegum machine NFT, if you just look at it on the surface, if you just look at it as, you know, Jacopo's fun and silly gumball artwork, and you look at it as Poncho Poppins, the bored ape with the gum in his mouth, with that perfectly formed, tight little bubble
in his maw. If you look at that and wonder where the gum came from, and you look at this project
as just a sort of on a superficial, on a just a totally superficial basis, it's a fun project.
totally superficial basis, it's a fun project. But if you understand why we're doing this
and what it actually means about building a bridge for you to be part of the future of how the most
delicious things get to you and how you get to the most delicious things,
that based in the world of food and fine dining and street food and tacos and whiskey tasting
or whatever lights you up, you will have an opportunity to go to things, no matter how much money you have,
you won't be able to access unless you have the membership card,
the access card.
The things that we're doing today,
that we were just talking about,
about the other side and about minting and about mining
and about having the
codas play a role. And you're going to want those because they're going to get you someplace else
and you won't be able to get there unless you spend a ton of money. And even sometimes when
you spend a ton of money, you can't get things, right? Let's be honest. If somebody holds the
punk you want, you might never get it because they may never sell it no matter how much money you have. The realities of supply and demand, the realities of the future will
require you to do a little bit of work now to understand and then consider how
you want to pursue the things that really interest you.
Going out for the best pizzas all over the world on Bitcoin Pizza Day, or maybe you love
fine Scottish whiskey. Maybe you love cooking. Maybe you love barbecue, maybe you want to do a tour of the southern
United States to go to all the best barbecue places. Whatever it is you like. Maybe you want
to be a judge one day on Mary Berry's Great British Baking Show. Whatever it is you want to do,
imagine that the way that you're going to access those kinds of things, if not those exact things, is through things like this.
club into the back room. But when you get to the back room, you're met with a tray, a bottle,
a glass, and some ice, or some fried chicken, or a brisket sandwich that was designed just for you
because the host that's granted you the access knows you so well and knows what you are going to want to enjoy and how to delight you, how to
truly delight and satisfy you, that to me is the real future of hospitality, where we know who you
are and we do everything we can every day to make the art that we make on the plate, in the glass,
in the keg, wherever it is, just for you because
we know how you like it. Imagine how that is represented by a fun, silly, bubble-blowing
gumball machine right now. We're going there together, And when you tell me what you like,
as the French philosopher Brillette Savarin said, tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are.
Well, we're going to flip that script just slightly to say, tell me what you eat and what
you like, and then I'll know how to delight you. And if you know that that's what
we're all about, then we've really achieved an understanding about what this project really is.
And I'll be the first one to say this is not meant for everybody. This is meant for people
who are connoisseurs. And not connoisseurs of caviar and champagne,
connoisseurs of what tastes best to them.
Because what tastes best to you becomes your stewardship, your personal self-awareness
responsibility to go around the world seeking out the things that you know are going to delight,
please, and satisfy you.
Are you with me, Poncho?
Absolutely, yeah.
You know, the access is what we're all about.
The access to great food, breaking bread with your friends in Web3,
attending conferences where we'll do activations and have, you know, food tours and cocktail hours and, you know, exclusive dinners and brunches.
And then also roll out our own recipes from Poppin
Foods and
you'll be able to taste it at
the conference and then have it delivered to
your home.
The breadth
of what we're doing is
underestimated
I think at this point,
as to what we can do.
By the way, this is such a small group,
and I want to reward them for listening to the entire sermon here
in the Church of Delicious.
in the Church of Delicious.
Can we screenshot this and make sure that we follow up with every one of the friends that's here with us in a way that lets them know that we see you, we hear you, and we want you to know how much you matter to us.
Yeah, absolutely.
Hello, everybody.
Hi, Gaye. How are you today?
I'm okay.
Usually, I'm not
the one who's speaking.
I'm afraid a little bit to speak.
I'm from Israel, and my English is not so good.
Oh, your English is fine.
Oh, hello. Welcome. Oh, nice, nice. oh your english is fine no hello welcome oh nice nice my sometimes sometimes i want to say something but if i
translate it to ebu uh from ebu to english it's not uh it's not good it's not sound it's it's not
what i mean you know don't worry english have the same problem
with spanish so when when i talk spanish it's it it sounds backwards but it's the right way in
spanish it's just everything's flipped okay but but but i i i listen to everything and I decided to say things that maybe nobody tells.
Nobody tells. Maybe they are afraid, maybe are too politically correct about this project.
I was the first one that minted. I followed from the first time and I loved the bubble gum and also my daughter saw the
bubble gum and said, Daddy, I want this bubble gum.
I said, okay, no problem.
But, you know, I am a small older.
Yeah, I'm a G's older.
I have a lot of G's from the beginning.
Maybe, I think that all the people that talk with Pancho,
the big ones, the big founder,
don't tell him that all the,
I hear today like three spaces,
tell him be patient, come to the space every time and things like this.
But they don't talk honest because they are on the hill.
You know, they don't look in the small fishes like me, that we are the one that means,
that we are the one one that means that we are the the one that that finished the collection
and a lot of chat group that i am from the beginning said look it's not the g's it's not
five years ago five months ago that people paid this amount for 555 collection.
This is not the time.
And when you come with a project and you want to succeed,
you need to listen to the people, to the small people,
because those are the people.
Okay, maybe the big shots will meet,
but you see, they didn't meet, they only talk.
Okay?
They only like to talk.
The real people that will meet are small people like me.
And you need to listen to them.
You need to speak their language.
You need to understand.
And this collection, it's a gold, but it's a gold
with someone that don't, I think, they don't listen to us. And what I mean? I mean, first of all,
you need to speak like,
I don't know if you're the space people,
people speak fun, fun, fun, fun,
not a lecture and about
the project and blah, blah,
they speak fun.
Second thing, everybody,
everybody from the beginning when they published in Balvar said, 35 Ape, yes, it's $15, but
people always compare it to other means.
From the beginning I knew people would not buy it.
Everybody would say, no, no, no, no, we will not buy it, we will not buy it.
They are dreaming, they will not buy they are dreaming
they are dreaming they are dreaming and this is what happened but i don't care i meant it but
i decided to speak here because i want this project will succeed and if you will not reduce the
collection do a cut and also the price, okay, you will maybe finish with 500 max.
Even if you put it another one month, nobody will tell you, but I want to be honest.
Nobody will buy it.
If you don't buy it in two days, they will not buy it for one week.
And everybody said, yeah, also the G's with one week, yeah. But
this was five months ago, when
the G's was the first collection.
Now time changed.
No matter how many
times, no matter how many
space you will be. You are absolutely
right.
And the third thing,
you always talk about the IRM, going to restaurant with this.
I am from Israel, and a lot of people are, you know, from all over the world here in AppChain.
You think they will go to those IRN?
So this issue, people don't care about this, about IRL.
It's not something that, oh, this is IRL, I will meet it.
No, because they are all over the world.
So it doesn't matter if you said you will have a pass that you will have a membership
that you could go to a restaurant and eat pizza and eat this and eat this and this.
For me, I'm sure for a lot of people in the space, they cannot do it.
They cannot enjoy it.
So you need to change a strategy if not this gold this project this
amazing project will we will we will will forget because in app chain every day it's like one month
It's like one month.
And people will forget it.
Well, I understand this space has an attention span of a goldfish, for sure.
But, you know, IRL is just really one aspect of what we're doing.
And these conferences happen all over the world.
And so we, you know, I was in Lisbon in October.
I was in Denver in last March or April.
I was in New York City.
I'm based out of New York.
And Jennifer's in Vancouver.
We're going to Vegas.
We're going to, you know, there's different, you know,
opportunities, but you know, the collection, you know, we're, you know, building relationships
to include the collection and gaming and other types of delivery systems. The Bored Ape Yacht
Club is worldwide, as you said. So. But can I say, Poncho, I want to say something.
Because our friend is 100% accurate.
And maybe, no, and I think it's important.
Like, he's 100%.
I think it is, too.
He's not wrong.
I mean, this is the beauty of where we are.
And I'm really grateful that you're sharing this.
And I want you to know that in the development of the
project, we thought about all these things. But to hear it from you in the perspective
that you just shared it is really valuable. And I want you to know that, again, you're not wrong.
I don't know what it will look like and what that impact will be, but you're not wrong.
And the reason we are doing what we're doing and focusing on IRL, because I have a project I do with a woman who is in Israel, and her name is Sugar TV. And I don't know if you've had any encounters with her in the Web3 space. Maybe you have
meetups on Mondays or something. And if you do, that's great. But if you don't,
the world is a big place and we still have lots of people yet to meet.
And she and I do a project together that's called the Museum of Digital Food Art, because think we're all learning how not to think of
ourselves as separate, but connected. And even though when we focus on in real life experiences,
one of the things we are talking about, especially with this project, is we can have a real life experience together,
even if we have the same food without being in the same place. And I don't know what it looks like
yet. But, you know, what if we were all having a pizza on the same show, on the same stage, in the same game, at the same moment. And we sent
the pizza from your favorite pizzeria. And I don't know what city you're in, but let's just
say you're in Tel Aviv. And you have pizza sent, or we find somebody who...
But this is science fiction. This is science fiction. You know, it's like, okay, this is science fiction. This is science fiction.
It's like, okay, this is a vision, but you know... But we already do this.
We already do this, my friend.
We do this every year.
I've done this for four years with our rare pizzas.
But you have a project now that you want to spread it to the people.
You need to be focused now.
Okay, 300 people minted.
I have a collection of five, five, five.
This is will not happen.
No matter what people relate to you,
this is will not mint.
With this price, with this size of the collection,
this gold project will not mint.
No matter what people will tell you.
I'm with all the chat, I'm with all the chat.
I'm in all the disco. People will not buy it.
And if you want
to save the project, you need to see
it with Pancho
and decide it. We cut it.
We cut the price. Because then
that's not happening.
Like we're part
of the Diviverse. So immediately
royalties of all like future like royalties will
be like split with holders that's one thing we've got gaming uh collabs that are pending
we've got all kinds of other things but okay so we wait another six days so you wait another six days, you will have 500 mintants. What will you do?
Well, you know, I expect to get much closer to the size of the collection minted out by then.
It's just we're in a market slump. There's been a lot of drama in the Ape Chain lately that's affecting it, but I'm, you know,
I'm an OG day one
ape. Yeah, I knew you.
I know you. So, it's
I've got, you know, backing
of Rita. I've got backing of Lost. I've
got backing of the Ape Chain team.
And this is, you know, Ape Chain
Hub minted a bunch the other day.
I've been getting DMs from people
within Yuga Labs to do things at 8Fest so there's you know there's a whole
thing and it's just the the attention economy is perhaps hard to capture but
Pancho can I ask a question what what you think in five days things we
we change dramatically in five days oh yeah can i ask a question because i think this
is such an interesting point of tension that deserves so we have two constituencies that I'm hearing represented in this conversation. And one is the individual
voices. And I think that that is such a powerful thing. And I want you to imagine me as the host
of this restaurant. And I have my regulars, my VIPs, so to speak. Now, when I host a restaurant, if I have VIPs in the room that are the big wigs,
that are the Yuga Labs, let's say, I know how to treat them.
But I also know how to treat everyone in the room,
and I never want any one of my guests in my restaurant
to see me treating a VIP better or different than I'm treating them.
The truth is, if you look closely, if I'm doing my job the way that I was put here to do,
both you and Yuga Labs are going to feel like you have a very special relationship with me. And what I'm hearing you say is in the current architecture of this restaurant,
the current architecture of this project,
it doesn't seem like it will be a good, long-term, sustainable, successful restaurant
if you keep going this way because it doesn't have on the surface what looks
like is going to be success. And you like this restaurant and you want to keep going to this
restaurant and you want to keep hanging out with me and my team because it's a fun place to be and
it's delicious. And we're all in alignment with what we're trying to do i love that we're going to become one of your favorite restaurants
i want to be one of many restaurants for you gallabs but it's hard for me to imagine i'm
going to be their favorite restaurant especially when they're owning and running their own
restaurants so when i look at this as a host, my one job,
besides making sure, and by the way, it bears repeating that when you're in the restaurant
business, the first contract and the first promise you make to your guests is that you won't do
anything to hurt them while they're with you. Beyond that, which we don't even talk about,
is we're going to do everything we can to delight you when you're here with you. Beyond that, which we don't even talk about, is we're going to do everything we can
to delight you when you're here with us.
We're going to...
If you have a restaurant,
very nice restaurant,
what do you want?
That five rich people will come
or 100 every day
regular people will come to eat?
Your restaurant will...
We'll never survive if we only have five rich people.
We'll never survive.
Thank you very much.
Those yoga, yeah,
are those maybe 500 people that mint it, okay?
But if you want, all the community will mint.
You need to listen to them.
You need to see.
You need to bring them to your restaurant.
But that's what I'm listening to you, and I'm saying you're absolutely right. I'm listening to you need to listen to them you need to see you need to bring them to your restaurant but
i that's what i'm listening to you and i'm saying you're absolutely right i'm listening to you no
but but but poncho don't understand this well so my darling my darling my darling it's not that
poncho is listening and doesn't agree we we might be a restaurant that has a 15-year lease that requires us to be open
for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, even though the only time we make money is at dinnertime.
Whatever it took for us to be here, whatever deals we have, whatever other things we have to do,
we may have to do things that don't align with immediately just dropping our price.
Because I can see what you're saying and I hear and I'm thinking because I know Poncho.
We've been working on this project for over four years together.
I'm going to tell you something.
He's a really lovely person and a very generous, creative person.
And we really are going to be fantastic restaurant operators in this space.
Okay?
And we want you and all the members of the community to come here.
And I understand it's not for everybody.
I understand if you feel like you're in Asia and you feel like we're ignoring Asia
because we're not talking about events in Asia in real life.
These are the things that we're all in Web 3 confronting.
It's not unique to this project.
But the soul which you're bringing, the heart that you're bringing to your communication that is resonating loud and clear in the courage you're bringing to having this second language conversation with us
your message is ringing like a bell loud and clear in my soul you are our are we're mishpukah this
way okay so i understand what you're saying and i just want you to appreciate what if one of the
limitations is i can't just drop my price
what else can i do what else can i do to make you happy if it were a restaurant i'd i'd send you i'd send you my my fresh peach cobbler and you would love it and you'd be like well you know i did have
to wait an hour for my steak but this peach cobbler made up for it because it was so delicious what else can i do to make you happy i will tell you i will tell you if if you can see the last project for them stargill yeah
she she she the price was 60 something but the collection was small five five five you cannot
take a a 35 a with a big, so big collection.
Nobody will mint it.
No matter when people tell you, bring the marshal of yoga.
You will not mint it.
This has been a conversation over, you know, several months,
but even this morning and yesterday, many, you know,
the board apes are discussing this.
And if you put it in context, what allowed Bored Apes to do what they've done is that they had a mid-price over $200 with a 10,000 token collection that gave them $2 million launchpad, which then attracted VCs and made them a $4 billion company within a year of launch.
And a lot of the meta on ApeChain has been exactly how you're talking about.
It's too expensive, too much, too big a supply.
And if, say, it was a thousand collection and we minted for 28, that's $10 a piece, that's $10,000.
How do you realistically expect us to deliver anything with $10,000 in today's economy?
Just answer me that.
So first of all, I'm not a founder, I'm not a builder, so I know that you're right.
But those points you should consider before you launch a project.
Before, to see what happened in the market, to see what people are paying.
Not after.
Because okay, I put my money, but a group in the Gs, a group in all four big projects.
If you go there anonymous, you read the chat and you write, not your name, different name.
You write what you think about the Pancho project.
Everybody, not 100 percent, 5,000 percent will tell you we're not buying.
Expensive and big. In context of G's, we're half the price of what you paid for G's at Mint.
33 Ape, when Ape was over $1.06 or $1.07, I think it was at the time.
Yeah, but when you are first, you got lucky.
But when you are already, everybody, so many projects minted after, it's at different times.
Show me one project that was 555 in the last month
with this price that meant out show me nobody even you know two two weeks three weeks everybody
cutting cutting cutting prices from 20 to 10 but this is the space now but can i you're not wrong
but i want to mention something about the fact that we were having this conversation and this analysis up until the day of the Mint.
And as members of the community that were part of, not only Made by Apes, but Ape U, where our learned friends shared all their insights with us,
with the G's shared our insights. And I think it's done in a vacuum. I think the argument
you're making is correct, but it's in the vacuum of how do you expect development to occur without the capital resources necessary to grow the project, any project, our community.
How will we grow? And if the only people that allow the project to grow are the people that
minted in the first with the apes and Yuga-based, then this is just going to be the Yougaville and it won't be decentralized. The very fact that we have as literally a mom and pop,
that we had the ability to create this project is extraordinary.
This is the truest dimension of a free market opportunity there is.
market opportunity there is. And we have to place a value on the fact that we want
creative innovation to come from anywhere and everywhere, not just the top. And the reason
everybody in the G's should look at this differently is because until all the mom and
pops are flushed out and the only thing you're left with is a
corporation, will you realize that decentralization was a dream that died? We are here not merely for
us. We're here truly in service to our community. The great thing about our project is that we come from the world of art,
commerce in the form of hospitality and service. We are here at your service. And that
comes at the cost that it comes at, which is for us to be able to serve you the most extraordinary things in our
restaurant, we have to keep the door open. And if your friends don't want there to be restaurants,
then there won't be restaurants because their voice and their vote in the form of the ape coins that they choose to hodl or distribute through the support of projects
like this one is going to have the direct result. They are creating the future. This isn't the
future for us. This is the future for them. And I don't think they're looking at it like,
what kind of ape world do I want to live in? They're looking at this like we're being selfish.
They're assuming that we're not who we are, which is we're here at your service.
That's why I'm listening to everything you're saying and wondering, how can I make you happy?
But what you're telling me is a concern that I'm hearing back, which is I don't think your friends that you're talking about in these chats
are thinking of themselves in the way that they really want to live in the future
of this community in Web3.
Yeah.
I didn't want to – the substance had its hand up for quite a while.
Yeah, no.
I just want to say one thing.
Well, it might be
an elongated thing but i i agree totally with what uh is it hargay saying um but i also agree
totally with what jennifer and chef saying like the price thing for me and i'll i'll just say
what i'm saying and then i'll give it an example at the end, which I believe Chef is probably going to be going down this route and he will achieve it.
So I agree. I agree with Hege. I think Chef's price is fine. It's perfect. I don't have any problems with the price.
And I think personally, I think the mint has actually been going pretty well, Considering you're just a one man or a two person band. Yes, you
do obviously have the ape logo and the ape stuff behind you.
I'm an ape myself. I've only been going about two days since
mint. And like I said, we're roughly around about the same
numbers. But it's very difficult when you have a physical product.
So it's very, very easy for someone to throw up a pfp collection and
it mint out when you've got the backing of seven or eight different people who've got the their
own interests at heart eg and i know there's been a lot on ape chain recently around about the same
people pumping and extracting value from the the system So it has got a lot of people down.
So now a lot of people are a lot more cautious with mints.
And I think a lot of liquidity has been taken.
So people are a lot more frugal with mints.
The ones that you do see minting out
are probably being pushed by certain people
and garnering hype um prior to mint whereas if you've got a mint with a
physical product like ourselves we don't just have the nft collection we have a product chef doesn't
just have the nft collection he has a product there's one other collection that i want to
mention it's not on ape chain Chain. It's on ETH.
Chef's been in this place a long time.
I'm pretty sure he will have known of this person.
Do you know of Duckmaster, non-con ducks?
No, I'm not familiar.
Okay.
Anybody who's heard of them before, you can throw your hand up.
They're on ETH.
Basically, they came out in 2021.
I think they're one of the first few behind Bored Apes.
They started off with a duck collection.
You can go and Google them.
You can look them on OpenSea.
Duckmaster had a vision.
He started off with his duck collection.
It was very successful.
It was up there with the likes of the Lazy Lions And stuff like that
The front runners on ETH behind Bored Apes
But he had a vision
His vision was to take Confectionery worldwide
And start a brand
He then launched an NFT pass
Which took 18 months to mint
This NFT pass allowed people
To buy into and earn royalties monthly
from his vision which was wine bars now it took time but they now have three successful wine bars
open in miami oh i remember this now argentina and somewhere else they then launched another
product called gorgs which was a confectionary box which
was filled with energy drinks i believe from um board ape they've got the board ape energy drink
and they've got something from quirkies as well and they've got a lazy lion jerky and they've got
some chocolate bars i think from dgen tunes he had this vision. He set that mint out and it's still minting out to date. I think about
a year later. It was a $200 mint. You've got
an NFT which pays you royalties, but you also got a confectionery box for free
which was worth around about the $200 or $200, something like that.
They are now selling these online. They're selling them on Amazon.
They've now also got vending machines popping up all over the US.
It's slow and steady, but it's popping up, where they're vending all of these confectionaries and drinks, which are bringing more awareness to Web3.
Now, Jennifer said earlier, Chef's product is a niche market.
Duckmaster's product is also a niche market.
So it takes time to find the people who want to be part of your product and to mint and to buy the whole.
I know we've been through a market where everything mints out in seconds, but it's shown 99.9% of the things that mint out in seconds, they go down as fast as they go up.
And the ones that have got longevity like board ape
they're taking time to build i don't think board eight when they first started they had the visions
of having eight fests and of having 99.9 of the things that they do have today i think they just
initially started out as an art collection and wanted to see where the movement went
duck master he was exactly the same nft collection with a vision chef nft collection with a vision
ourselves nft collection with a vision like we're starting now we've got our warehouse
um we are in the process of the miners installed all of our holders they're going to get
um obviously free cloud mining and they're also going to get free data storage
obviously free cloud mining, and they're also going to get free data storage.
It's the NFT collection is the front.
The back end is the working cogs.
And these working cogs take time, and you need to find people who fit in those cogs
and want to be in those cogs long term to reap the rewards.
And like I say, I think Chef's doing a great job.
He's only had the thing launched for three days and he's,
he's already got 300 minutes at $34 a mint.
I think he's absolutely killing it.
He's getting quality behind them, which will,
which will help for the longterm.
I think in this space,
too many people want something to mint out next day,
flip it for fivex rather than just
I don't know
I think unfortunately the mindset
needs a reset in the space
I think it's been fucked
too many quick
mint outs in the past
too many quick flips, people gaining a lot of money
and I think
people have been desensitised to the actual value of anything in this space
due to what's happened in the past.
Like, if before NFTs, someone had $10,000 in their bank account,
they would think that's a lot of money.
In this space now, people will throw thousand dollars into a into a soul meme coin
and without even flip thinking about it you just need it i think people need to take a step back
understand what people are actually building and and just just digest the effort that goes in behind
it and a lot of nft collections when you think about them is a fundraiser for the effort that goes in behind it. And a lot of NFT collections, when you think about them,
is a fundraiser for the vision that comes after.
And it just takes time.
Not everybody's a venture capitalist who can pull $100,000 out of their pocket
just to start a wine business.
Duckmaster wasn't that.
He used his NFT collections to raise the capital.
He preserved the capital.
He didn't frit it away.
And then he reinvested it into the business
and the dream that he had,
which is now paying dividends for its holders.
But it takes time.
And like I say, I've got time.
I've got patience.
Chef's got time.
Chef's got patience.
And we are niche products. and we just need to find the
cogs that fit into the wheel and the machine to keep it turning and once we have that it will run
like a well-oiled smooth machine and those people will see the dividends if there's people that want
to get in quick mint quick quick get out by all means, that's absolutely fine. But the people that will win who buy into these collections,
like Bored Ape, ourselves, Chef, who bought into Duckmaster,
the ones that have the longest time.
One person.
One person.
Yep.
Can I just jump in here?
I just want to jump in here one second.
We're at the top of the hour.
This is the Bored Bubblegum Minting for Chef Poncho Poppins.
It's the Bored Bubblegum Machine Mint.
I want to comment on what both of you have just said with this.
And I'd like each of you to comment on it because the one thing that's common to what
both of you are saying is product market fit. And having the right product market fit can be reflected back
in the comments of the audience of people that you think are the basis of the product market fit.
And if the community is saying, you don't have product market fit, what does that mean? And for
the people who have responded saying, this is absolutely the right product market fit, what does that mean? And for the people who have responded saying,
this is absolutely the right product market fit, which is what has already been said by the people
who have joined the project, who are the people that say, I don't go to every restaurant. I go
to this restaurant because I vibe with this restaurant. I may not go to McDonald's ever,
I vibe with this restaurant.
I may not go to McDonald's ever, but I may go to this restaurant.
I may not go to the Ritz Carlton.
I may go to this restaurant.
So the idea of the product market fit is a very valuable one
that we've spent a tremendous amount of time and attention focusing on.
And I'd like both of you to take a minute and comment on how what you were saying reflects on the idea of product market fit.
If you would, I'm so grateful for your time and your thoughtful consideration in all of this.
I really want you to understand how grateful i am
that as a member of this community that you you are one of my guests and i'm so happy you're here
thank you thank you thank you you know i i i was recommended to this project by uh aviv uh aviv was
a fourth place in spotlight and maybe chef puncher know him he is a great trader he was my mentor
and he's a very honest man and you need to understand and like a spax said there is a group
of long play and there was a group of people that come to make money people they tell
you that they are not coming to make money in in in a chain they are lights and hypocrites okay
everybody I agree with you 100% and we're not saying that this isn't about making money but
the priority is yeah but a great restaurant tour is always about making money but the bottom line is
i don't make money at the expense of my guests i make money in service to my guests and that's
the equation and and you know and people that he said that are playing long term long term they are maybe five percent you want those people
okay those people are not a five thousand people they are small percent and if you want to make
this one a special one a special product for those who are long-term though you want to be
with you hand to hand for long term you you need to make it a small group.
This is life. This is life. This is not a flick project, like you said.
Okay. So most of the people will not enter because the most of the people, okay, for example, I can tell you what most of the people say.
For example, you have four or five projects that are leading the board.
They are in the top 10, okay?
So, usually traders, what they do, they are flipping the small ones, gathering the money to buy those projects okay now for this collection to start
moving it's like he said okay you will sponsor me you will pay me 35 a chain okay you meet me so I can give you so I can start collecting the money from
you and then walk no people this is what people said what he is expecting from us
to pay him okay no you already need to to give us and then we will meet.
This is how people think.
They are stupid.
But this is the reality, unfortunately.
They already think, oh, you don't have money now for this project.
So you want us to pay money so we can start this project.
This is what they talk. If you go anonymous, this is what they talk if you go anonymous this is
what they're saying and this is bad this is bad the thing is like you know people come
in anonymous with a lot of hype and they can mint out projects for you know less than five eight uh but you won't ever see them again and i've been
building in public for 30 years yeah but they don't care because they will do the flip and they
buy your project you understand of course but yeah they serve but there's that's that's like
you know those are two different approaches to NFTs.
There's the quick flips.
May I comment, Pancho?
Yeah, sure.
Pancho?
I'd like to get the other, like Nature and other people on stage too.
No, I know.
We're going to do this.
And I think this is such a valuable, because this isn't a conversation about our project as
much as I'd like to think it is this is a conversation about the health of the environment
and the ecosystem of that we all live in you know you're in Israel I'm in North America
maybe if you came to visit cousins in the town I live in, maybe we would meet, but probably not.
Or maybe when I come to Tel Aviv to work with Sugar TV, we might meet. We might sit next to each other at a cafe.
But that's not the point. The point is this really is a conversation about all of us and where we're
going. But one of the things I think is very important to mention, when you go to the store
to buy a lottery ticket, next week, for instance, is the Kentucky Derby. Some people will go to the
Kentucky Derby and not have a lot of money to lose, but they want to play the game. So they may just bet $10 or $100
on a horse. Other people are professionals who will analyze the race and spend millions of
dollars. It's a different environment that they're in. But we're all participating in the same
event. For me, I would be very happy if we thought of it like a true
gumball machine, right? You may get one gumball or you may get five. My hope was that people would
buy five of these and increase the chances that they'd get one of the prizes and have an extra
layer of fun and really buy into everything we're doing,
we're already members of the same community. It's not as if we're creating our own project
to compete with the Bored Apes. What we're doing is we're saying, among all the Bored Apes,
we just want to feed people. And we'd love to feed everybody and how we'd feed everybody is
by becoming Whole Foods or a grocery store but if you were a restaurant you're
not gonna feed everybody because some people want to go to McDonald's and some
people want to go to a Michelin star restaurant they're not the same people It depends what you want. You want the majority or you want those special? You want those special? Make a collection of 500 VIP and that's it.
is, on the surface, it's a game that lets you participate in something on an ongoing basis in
a much bigger way. You're going to help us spread the word about what it means to pay attention to
where you eat and who you eat with and how much fun we're going to have together and how we're
going to be connoisseurs together. And if you don't eat meat, then we won't go to a steakhouse. And if you do eat meat, then we will go to a steakhouse. These are all things
that we'll have conversations about. We're not trying to be everything for everybody. The same
way when we write a piece of music, we know, or if we write a recipe, my darling, if I gave you
a recipe and I gave everyone in this room a recipe, every single version of that recipe
would turn out different because your hand makes it different. The fact that you're here with us,
our project is richer because you're here, not somebody else. And it's richer in the uniqueness
that you bring to it, not just in this generous conversation you're having with us, but because
of who you are. Anybody that's the right fit will find us. I do believe that.
Let's see, how many people are here? Did you ask yourself, yeah, if you go now, I went today
in like in four, where I saw Pancho, I went to the space.
Pancho, you know how many people was in those spaces?
Did you see?
50, 60, right?
You know what you're absolutely right about?
Your friends that were saying what was wrong with this
didn't understand.
And it's not their fault.
They're 100% right.
You are all 100% right.
You know who's wrong here?
It's me.
I haven't done a good job of explaining this
if we're having people feel like this is something we need to fix.
I feel badly. I feel really badly that anybody feels like this isn't for them because
at the end of the day, I really want this to be for you. I want people to see how it's for them.
I thought everybody would understand
that we were doing something that
nobody else had done in this ecosystem
and that
they would see that we've invited them
to our table and that they'd really
understand what that means. And I've done
a bad job if that's not what
people understand.
If you want
to understand, go to those discord and start to check with people
then you will understand what people think because if here i don't know where those discords are
go go to the g just second i will tell you i will tell you in what this code yeah I will tell you first of all yeah go to the to the gloves go to the G's go to the
gloves geez you can start with with those two okay gloves and cheese go tell
him guys I want to speak with you let's go now let's make a a a voice chat
like this come up i want to hear you if you hear the people if you want genuine
people that will tell you why they are not minting speak with them go to them
go now today today i'm inviting them right here right now bring them in meeting, speak with them. Go to them. Go now to the...
I'm inviting them right here, right now.
Bring them in.
Okay, put a link
now in
G's Alpha. Let's see
how many people will join.
Put, ask them.
Come, I want to talk with you.
Write them like this. Please
follow my friends. Please come to the chat now. I want to talk with you like them like this, please follow my friends, please come to the
To the check now I want to speak with you and put the stain in in the goals
Okay, go check in those
Mrs. Solomon before before yeah, do you have gobs chef? I I don't I'm not a member of I'm not part of that community
Before they get here,
let me ask you a question.
What do you think we should do?
Because we can't reduce the price.
But how do you think we should proceed
knowing all the facts that you now know?
You need to understand for those people.
Because this community is very big, okay?
Very big and they are very influenced.
Speak with them.
Speak with Raida and tell him,
I want to speak with your members.
And then you will hear them.
Then you will hear, this is what you need to do.
You need to speak with the people. And hear, this is what you need to do. You need to speak with the people.
And then you will understand
what you need to do and what you don't need to do.
I am so grateful for this conversation.
This, to me, is where
the real power
of Web3 is going to grow from.
The fact that we are passionate and that people are so generous that they would take their time to try and help us do this
because they understand what we're trying to do, which is try to be an organization in service in some way to our community.
organization in service in some way to our community.
And with the spirit of that, with the history, with the pedigree, if you will,
with our decorated professional careers that we're bringing to this as credible people,
this is a conversation that can happen because of all those factors.
And I'm particularly grateful that you're here.
If you go to G's Alpha, I'll give you an example.
I'll give you an example.
Right there, make a post.
Minted 3, sweep 10 in IKIRI, something, a project that was 12, now 6.
If you follow, I bought on secondary.
secondary, I'm internet sweatshirt.
I'm minted at Sweatshaw.
This is the power, you understand?
This community.
This community.
I didn't see him or anybody wrote a post,
I bought a bubble gum.
Because he know, he know they will not pay.
Believe me, from the bottom of my heart, go to there, speak with the people in the
JIS Alpha.
Tell them, please, I want to hear you.
Why you are not in my project?
Why you didn't meet?
Ask them.
Mrs. Solomon, you are a true mensch, and I really am grateful to you.
Because, you know what I am saying,
because people buy shit,
but this project and Pancho,
he is a true builder.
He is like Ryder.
Those kind of people, okay?
But unfortunately,
Pancho is a little bit shy.
He is not a, he is very like,
how can I say, serious.
He's serious.
I know he's cursing and blah,
he's speaking and he have
a space every Wednesday with the G's but before this
speak with the people there
I just added a link
in the alpha chat
of G's
for people to join
let me see
please join our space
and discuss Bubblegum project.
Okay.
Let me write now.
While they're doing that housekeeping,
here closer to the bottom of the hour,
I'm going to reset and thank everybody for spending time.
Is there anybody that would like to come up
and talk with us about this, to share their opinions about this?
We'd love to hear from you.
But I have a question.
Hang on, hang on.
Let me just finish.
I want to know, and I really need to know this. know that would prepare us to welcome them as our guests so that we really can do the best job we can
do to make this time valuable for everybody and to make them feel welcome
nature sorry i interrupted. Go ahead.
No, no, sorry. That was me. Blessings, blessings, kings and queens. Appreciate everybody for being
here. No, James did post. I just put it at the top. James did retweet. He said, let's get this
bubble gum, y'all. So, quoting on what Hager was saying.
So, just getting it out there.
We got to all hop on these posts when they are out there and just like, repost, go on there, just talking about it.
Like I said, I just put it at the top.
So, if you guys haven't, like, comment or repost, just make sure you guys go do that.
And, yeah, just help get it out there
push it
thank you thank you thank you for that but but but i i don't want to i don't want to merely
flip a switch and have them all move i really want to understand this because if we address
this topic, and by the way, in all fairness, this is important because I haven't heard this
conversation anywhere else. And I've been doing these for years. And I was one of the hosts of
Talk Nerdy to Me Club on the Clubhouse with Wolf and Lion. And what we did in the early days of clubhouse was to host
conversations that we thought were essential to the future of the community. And this feels more
like one of those conversations than almost anything else I've been part of in spaces that
wasn't a 10,000 attendee mega conversation with a Time 100 newsmaker that had
nothing to do with Web3 but being human in a broader sense. When we talk about Web3, we've
already identified ourselves as the people who are the architects of the future. This conversation
is essential for us to have. And's it's really and truly not for
all the discomfort about saying how wrong we are how that's not what this is
this is about how do we make this better for everybody moving forward how can we
be in service to this community's future by do by hosting this conversation and
and in making every one of you feel welcome and comfortable in having
the platform, the microphone step up and tell us, we can't thank you enough for sharing everything
you're sharing right now, because this is so pivotal. And if we've made a mistake that someone
can't... You know what my grandmother, you know what my boobie would say? You're going to appreciate this. My grandmother used to say, if I didn't care, I wouldn't say anything.
If I didn't care, I wouldn't say anything.
And you know, someone now that it's very important to listen to him. I'm very curious what he thinks. Just, just, just think.
I'm very curious what you think.
Just Justin.
Just...
Can you speak please?
Who? Me?
No, Justin. Just join us.
Mutant.
I've invited him to speak let's give him a second to catch up
and anybody else that wants to come up
I don't know how many I think they let us have 8 or 9
but yeah we'd be thrilled to have you join us
we can have 12
good for us thrilled to have you join us. We can have 12. Ooh.
Good for us.
Yeah.
I don't know if Justin's able to join us.
Maybe there's a limitation
or maybe he's driving.
He said that he doesn't like to speak on spaces.
You know what?
It's an honor to have him here, though.
But he's very important.
So I wish he can speak.
His mute is...
Rambo is also a good speaker.
I just invited him up. And yeah, Rambo is also a good speaker. I just invited him up.
And yeah, Rambo is part of the Diviverse and SDKs, of course.
And, you know, one of our collab partners.
I have to comment.
Justin's mutant is a really clean mutant.
I like that.
Yeah, DMT's cowboy.
DM Rambo, how are you?
GM, GM, everyone.
Sorry I came up late. I'm doing great. Calm day for me so far.
Thank you for having me on the speaker section. Yeah, how is everyone doing today?
We're all right. Fantastic. We've been talking with Hage, am I pronouncing that correctly?
And he has concerns, you know, discussing like how the mint price is too high and the collection size is too big and we should reduce and drop the price.
And, you know, so that's been the conversation mostly today.
But in all fairness, he didn't just come and say those things.
He gave a generous, thoughtful, considered, passionate...
I don't think the price is high.
But I'm maybe 0.05%.
But you came and you shared an analysis of why you thought those things.
It's not that you just sniped with those ideas.
You came and you gave us the gift of opening the
conversation of consideration to make sure this was successful. Yeah, I want to spot the success,
but I want not only me would speak and then you will see another 20, 30 people will do the same,
but let's see if people will speak. I hope so.
Yes, Rambo, thanks.
Yeah, in my opinion,
I know I'm not as knowledgeable as everyone here,
but since I joined Ipshin,
and the way I am,
I try to maybe imitate and try to create things from what I see and be able to like create my project.
And so far, I was able to understand that as a founder, there is a lot of expense that is on the founder's side.
I mean, they have to like pay the developers and the developers, they charge a lot of money.
Then for the artist that is going to draw the collection, most of the artists, there's a quote among artists.
Because I have a couple of friends that do digital arts if you talk to them about creating a project what they will tell you is that
um their arts their their charge like their art their work so most artists pull a lot of words
on their on their on their work and also there is cost of maybe like the artworks, the banners and posters for the project.
So, in my opinion, the mint price, I think, is still fair.
And looking at the price of Ape to USD, it's actually very low.
I think Ape is at 0.5 or so or or six or so so in my opinion i know my opinion
doesn't really matter but i think the price is actually fair and looking at the people that
uh um chef pancho is that man is a very very very nice and supportive person.
Since I've been on ApeShin, almost every space, he joins every space, engage with people.
If you are hosting a space, he comes up and just, you know, engage, support your project, ape into other people's projects.
So I think...
Thank you, Rambo. Yeah, your volume kind of tapered off there at the end.
I don't know if anybody else, but Sups, you got your hand up.
Sorry about that. Can you guys hear me now?
Yeah, we can hear you now.
Go ahead. So maybe after you, I'll go.
Yeah, no, I'm having my connection issues that that i had yesterday i'm having them again so
um if people can't hear me or understand then um i'll have to come back later or something like
that but no um no you're clear i've i've obviously loved being here i've obviously loved hearing
both sides of the story my opinions hey gay's opinions as well um and i i think what chef is doing is great um i would the one thing
i would love to know from from hey gay because obviously he's mentioned the price obviously
personally i don't think the price is a problem he's now said obviously the price isn't a problem
but the price for the audience might be a problem another thing that he suggested was obviously
cutting the search cutting the supply um for me personally i i believe when somebody starts a
project they set a price for a reason and they set a supply for a reason because obviously, you know, they're going to need roughly X amount to continue the project forward.
So I would like to know if possible, if he doesn't want to answer, then that's absolutely fine.
Hey, obviously, by cutting the supply, how will that accelerate chef's roadmap because cutting supply
is not going to make things happen any faster and all it's going to mean is he's going to have less
funds to play with to obviously take the the project forward you know um if if it takes one
week to mint out if it takes three months to to mint out obviously
there's a roadmap in place that's going to take time so i just want to know if you think cutting
supplies necessary how's that gonna be beneficial and and influence the project okay i will tell you
once you cut the supply and the supply is much little okay the value okay if you mean for example in 35
smaller supply big demand make the value okay from 35 to 100 to 200. the money will come for
the royalty from the volume this is how it's work so so basically the problem isn't with the project it's with the the token price yes
so the the because the value is not going up quick enough um is that what the problem is
why you think a good good project with 68 uh 60 69 but supply 555 1000 are going good because they've had because of this you can play you
can play more no it's because they've been in the space for longer and they've had longer to develop
or they haven't been pumped by the the cabal that's recently been dismantled obviously the
vast majority of project projects over the last three months were
pumped to the hilt by the same five or six people which has now been dismantled and look where those
projects are now obviously new projects like myself like chef we're going to take time to
obviously run that floor price up but once these projects start delivering on what they say
um those those prices will will naturally follow so from my understanding is you're just not happy
that the price of the token isn't sold out
and it's not multiplied three or four times by now.
That's my understanding.
Me? Me personally?
Yes, personally.
No, I'm a long player.
I don't care if we take four times, five, six, one year.
But we are not in this space.
But if you're in it for the long term, why do we need to put the supply?
Because on one hand you're saying you're a long-term player,
but then on the other hand you're saying...
Because I'm not the majority because i'm not the majority
not the majority my friend the majority this is what they want i'm not the model the majority i
am the one from 300 300 and something that minted but you want me or you want a 2000
well to be honest with you most projects like like myself, we want quality, not quantity. And over time, history shows that the money flows from the impatient to the patient.
So if you're patient, you'll make the money long term.
And if you're a long term player, you shouldn't really be concerned about the supply.
In the past, when all the collections that were minting were 10,000 plus supply, there was no problem.
And Nakamigos, they were 20,000 plus supply.
There was no problem because things were coming out in ethereum you are talking about ethereum
i i was talking about ethereum yes but obviously now this is a new chain so you tell you you know
when i minted koda and people minted koda and yogauga Labs, they pay $1,000, $2,000 only for guests.
It's a different times, my friends.
It's a different times.
Don't compare.
Don't compare.
I'm not comparing.
People need to move with the times,
but also people need to be patient.
And that's what I'm saying.
Have patience with good projects.
And I believe Chef has got a very good project.
So if you're looking for people with patience,
okay, put it in Balvar for two, three, four, five, six months, and you will see where we will come.
No problem.
May I ask a question?
I wanted to share with you what I had in my mind.
I truly thought we'd end up being 1,000, maybe 1,200 members that bought multiples. I didn't think this was going to
be something in the early stages that was for a very big, broad audience. I thought that we did
everything to speak specifically to a very narrow band of really thoughtful people who would
understand and say, I want to be part of this thousand. Now if we had made the
project a thousand, that would be a different story. It would have told a
different narrative. The reason we did as many as we did is because of the story we're telling at this moment and the accessibility of the gumball machine.
We didn't want this to be, if you are one of the thousand, you get a pass and you get to come to my very expensive omakase and have it be exalted and inaccessible from the start.
I wanted it to be more accessible because at the core of it is the philosophy of hospitality,
which is all are welcome at our table.
And the people at, I'm going to think of, let's say you go to London and you go to the Savoy
Hotel. The Savoy Hotel says, everyone is welcome at our table as long as you can spend $5,000 to
have dinner at our table. That's a different way of saying all are welcome at our table.
In this moment in time, it's not about money.
It's about the spirit of what we're doing. We wanted people to hear the invitation,
you're welcome at our table. Would you like to join us? And I wanted to know that for everybody
that says yes, everyone is welcome at our table. That was what we were trying to communicate.
And I thought in my mind that we would end up with a really
passionate community of people who are in alignment with the idea of, I really would
like to break bread and have a big long table for this thousand
people because that's going to be a party I want to be at.
These are people I want to spend time with.
Even if it's going to take an extraordinary series of events that haven't happened yet
to bring us all under one virtual bubble or roof in the other side or in the metaverse
or in real life.
Can I say one thing, Jennifer,
if you don't mind?
Please, this is
yours. I think we'll be having a
totally different conversation on the amount that's been
minted this time next week.
I think over the last
two or three months, the liquidity of many
has ended up in the hands of the minority.
And I think possibly, this is probably one criticism of myself and an Opsichef, is we
probably didn't launch at the right time of the month.
I think middle of the month, most people are probably hoping to get to payday.
So I think if we'd launched maybe the last two days of the month
or the first two days of May, I think mints would have been a lot higher
because people would have been loading in money to Coinbase to buy.
I think at the moment, I think just liquidity is tight.
So that's probably why our mints are a little bit slower,
your mints are a little bit slower.
But I think this time next week
I think we'll both be having different conversations
people will at the end of the month
load up
they might only load 200 or 300 bucks in
or whatever they load in
people make
what you're talking about
people make loaded of money from the free mint of James
loaded of money
yeah I was going to say
I thought the money was already here i
thought people just made money over the last couple of weeks yeah i know but the the not
everybody in this space has money you know some people unfortunately follow the minority and the
minority over the last two or three months has been extracting liquidity. And obviously, like I said, that ring has unfortunately been dismantled and shown.
So now confidence is going to gradually come back to the space and the good projects and the cream will rise to the top.
But not everybody, you have to understand the market, not everybody has money in the space at the moment.
Some people are just just they're down
to the last 10 15 eight you know not everybody's got a million bucks in in their account and i
think this time next week i think the amount that chef will have minted we'll be having a totally
different story i think it'll be a lot lot higher people will be thinking right i'm waiting until
payday and then i'm going to load up some something i'm going to mint some of chefs gumballs or i'm going to mint some of subs um miners i'm going to do something i think second third the
second third of next month the mint landscape for the good projects will be totally different
and that's just my personal opinion you can you can agree or you can you can disagree but
i just think possibly launching a mint near the end of the month um was probably
not the best idea from ourselves but like i say we we we we're we're in the long game like it
doesn't matter if if if we mint out tomorrow if we mint out next week if we if we mint out next
month our long-term goal and i'm sure chef's long-term goal posts don't change the only thing
that changes is the the people that join so you get the quick flippers out you get the long-term goalposts don't change. The only thing that changes is the people that join.
So you get the quick flippers out, you get the long-term holders in,
and then you grow the community and, you know, those are the guys that win.
And like I say, I gave the example of Duckmaster and the Non-Con Ducks
and everything that they've built over the last three or four years
with their wine brand, the bars.
Like I say, they took 18 months to mint one of their NFTs.
It was a high price, yes,
but the holders are now starting to see the fruits of what they bought into.
And it's physical in Web2.
So like I say, if you're a flipper, like I say,
you're not going to have the patience.
Just look for your your pixelated
jpegs or something like that you you know it's one of the interesting derivatives of the
conversation that you just shared is the idea that we're all just doing this for money alone
and while everyone has to be honest about the fact that money is the energy
that drives this all forward, the work and the mission and the philosophy come from our passion
or our calling. Whatever we do for our main purpose in life, why we were put here, what God expects of us, what we're called
to do, how we're in service in a professional capacity, in a creative capacity, in whatever
realm we are. For those of us that are lucky enough to have found something that we do,
that we love, and that we're good at and have developed as an expertise, and we've done that before the advent of Web3,
we now bring that richly to Web3.
One of the things that I heard you say makes me ask the question,
what do you do if what you're doing is different than what anybody else has done?
Now, the idea of a new business or a new concept in art is about, but what happens when you come up with a new business idea and it's not immediately the thing that people say, overnight you're a success.
thing that people say, overnight you're a success. You go to Shark Tank and you get somebody behind
you to promote the fact that this will be an overnight success or a quick success.
It does a lot of work, but it still takes a lot of work. Talk a little bit about how
there might be a reaction to us doing something that hasn't been done before, which is essentially turning the process of
minting something, which everybody thinks they understand because we've been minting for a few
years now, how they see something they think they understand, which is the common practice of
minting and producing a project, and then looking at it more closely to realize,
even though it looks familiar, it's completely different.
How do we get that message out?
How do we help people understand that?
And again, thank you to all the G's that have heeded the call to come and join us.
I'd love to hear from you.
I know Poncho would too.
Poncho, do you want to reset as we head into this part of the conversation?
Yeah.
You know, like, I guess, guess like I wanted to address one point. Uh, it's just the, the conversation is so, uh, intense, but, um,
the, you know, regarding to like timing of, of a mint, it's like, you've got so many, uh, moving
parts that are, that affect that timing of your mint in our case we were pushing
to get this out in December and you know our artist had some you know personal things that
he had to attend to and then you know Jacop, you know, other things delayed the sort of delivery of the art until later in January.
And then there's, you know, do this sort of bubblegum mechanic on questioning
and like my like discovery of what was needed, what was sort of necessary to make things
work properly for us.
And and then deciding on a platform and, you know, paying the fees and all that kind of stuff all affect, you know, those steps.
And then we were going to schedule a couple of weeks ago.
Something happened with one of the devs.
And then we went we got tied in with Blubber.
And then they were like, oh, the the mint is hard.
Mint's happening. It's going to take our full attention. We were going to mint on the 22nd and then and then it got pushed to the 24th.
So my bigger point is that there's all kinds of factors that come into the timing of it. And then the market dynamics are out of our control.
are out of our control uh you know we don't know what was happening the the whole drama with the
you know the extractors um and you know those all those things affect what's going on and we just
need to like um you know continue to um you know push forward it's like you just have to like you
know let water run off the ducks back and move move forward, take another step forward. It's a new day. There's a setback. There's a delay. There's something that happens. Oh, yeah, I want this particular trait. Can I, you know, additional traits? Send it off to the artist. May turn around in a couple days, may turn around in a week or
more. So there's all these factors. And, you know, these, you know, so many things are out of our
control. People are in silos of DMs. So some may communicate on Telegram, some may commute in
Discord, some may communicate on Twitter DMs, any number of factors some people aren't even
available on twitter uh you see that they have like 500 followers but they're part of a larger
thing that you need to get in touch with them so you got to go to linkedin and and so it's like
juggling the platforms juggling all this stuff just takes time and you've got to be patient
with everything that goes on people reach out to collabsabs. And then, you know, as a founder, my DMs are flooded. Like, oh, can we collab? Can we collab? Can we do this? Can we do that? Can I get whitelist? Can I do that? Can I get to respond to all these tweets?
and juggling that founders take on.
And, you know, I'm here.
I've, you know, as an artist in my life,
I built an art career from making ephemeral art
without any product except the experience
of looking at a sand painting.
Okay, I went out in the streets of New York City,
poured sand on the street put out a bucket if
people liked it they put in a dollar simple as that but it took me 15 years of making installations
before that to get to the point where i had a product market fit of changing from found objects
flowers auto parts and other things, and getting
recognition for it, doing international shows for it, but not getting paid.
And this was after you did your training at the prestigious Art Institute of Chicago.
Right.
And, you know, I worked side jobs and, like, wore dozens of hats doing web development,
founded an art space in San Francisco, all kinds of stuff, a long story.
But I was making ephemeral art and I believed in what my vision was.
And I continued and I continued and I went to New York city and started,
you know, I had to get a job when I first arrived and it was,
I was depressed because I was like, we're not doing what my life passion was.
And so I just said, I'm going out and I'm going to paint and I poured sand on the ground.
And the first day I made more money than my job was paying me.
So I was just like, I'm done. Bye.
I was just like, I'm done.
Bye.
And from there, I built to the point of getting the attention of museum curators and other people and patrons and people that then.
And you're in what, eight museums, seven, eight museums now?
Yeah, I'm in Beijing and the Netherlands and Dubai and Florida, Mocha, North Miami, Mad Museum in New York, Asia Society,
Rubin Museum, you know, all over the place. I do commissions for VW and I recently did a
commission in Portland for a big tech company. And, you know, that's a thing. But my day-to-day of going to public spaces in New York City have changed because I've moved away from the city and bought the food and Web3 as part of my thing.
And bring my artistic excellence to Poncho and explore Web3 space in a way and create things for other people.
Because I can still do commissions.
I can still work on my artwork at home and have a couple of exhibitions a year.
It doesn't impact what I'm doing within the pop and foods universe.
And, you know, that's, that's just really what it is.
It like things take time.
The example is I took, you know, I've been an artist for 30 years,
but it took 15 years for me to get to a place where it supported me financially.
And I'm not giving up.
I'm here.
I just do what I do.
You know, I like I don't know.
Like my thing is like I'm going to work harder than any person I ever hire and and set the example by my actions. And, uh, that's what it is. You
know, that's how I live. That's how I roll. And I, and I'm going to tell you as the project
partner in this, that, um, Chef Poncho Poppins is one of the hardest working people I've ever
collaborated with in any endeavor that I've done in my career. And I've had an award-winning career. And I think the two of us respect in one another,
not only the industriousness and the commitment and the credibility and the reliability,
but we found in one another a cohort to go forward and say, we're doing this for you. And when he took the step
out of his apartment that day to do his first sand painting, he was doing it for himself because
that was what he was called to do, but he was doing it for the people who were going to be
given the gift of the art. Just like we're here in service to the people who are going to be here with us
in this conversation and appreciate what we do as we move forward.
so given all of those things,
and as we reset,
cause we're almost at high noon in the wild West,
which is a magic hour.
I want to invite people to come up and and participate in this conversation
this is we haven't heard g and and sups has his hand up so let's hear from sups and then go to g
yeah this will be my last part and then i'm gonna have to to drop out and i've got a few things to
do and i've got a meeting to go to as well and no i i love the little obviously backstory that
you gave there obviously where you started out from jeff obviously it does help people understand a lot more
um and and and what um jennifer was saying earlier about obviously change and stuff like that like i
totally agree um we're trying to change people's mentalities here like we're in a fortunate
position that we we're early into crypto and we early into crypto are trying to change the people who are
not into crypto to come into crypto it's a scary thing for people to do they don't like change if
something's new they don't understand it they're just not willing to do it we're trying to bring
those in but what myself chef and a few of the other guys are trying to do is we're trying to
change the mentality and bring something new to people who are already here. So in the past, people were minting JPEGs of pixelated things with nothing
behind them. And then people started minting things because they were getting merch, they were
getting staking, etc. And it was all new. Now, obviously, this is a new thing, possibly it's a
little bit scary, people don't know about it. But we're trying to get people to mint things that are tied to real world assets.
You know, like for ourselves, people are buying into crypto mining in Switzerland.
With Chef, you're buying into, obviously, a food brand that's going to expand
and hopefully serve millions of people, you know.
So, everybody's trying, everything's evolving all the time.
We're all just trying to do the best that we can.
And like I say, support the good ones and they'll support you.
That's all I can really say on the matter.
Like I say, the vast majority of people have minted my project.
We've been people from BAYC and MIYC.
I think it's the same with Chef.
And then what will happen is from those it'll trickle down and more people start to join in who understand um and they'll
take the leap and and i'm sure after ourselves there'll be a new evolution of the next mints
that come along that offer something totally different who knows what it will be maybe you
guys will be the next people to do it you know um? But like I say, I'm always open-minded to anything.
Like I say, always do your due diligence on things first.
If you like the sound of it on anything, myself, chef, jump in, you know?
Any questions, my DMs are always open, whether it's NFT-related,
whether it's anything outside crypto.
I'm more than willing to speak to anybody
even if it's a personal matter if you've got a personal amount you don't know speak to drop me
a DM and I'm more than happy to listen or or help where I can do you know um I don't exclude anybody
um and yeah just I just like say thanks to chef for holding obviously the space and and obviously
bringing a lot of other people together that probably normally wouldn't come together for being in different communities.
But like I say, I like to be inclusive and be part of different things.
I like Rambo's PFP.
I'm going to have to get myself one of those.
Not got a G's yet.
I'll get one of those.
I don't know what's Mr. Biggs.
Mr. Biggs, it looks like it. What is that?
It looks like it.
What is that?
I don't know what that is.
I don't know what that is.
Is that on base?
Is that on base?
I'm going to go and pick up a few of these
NFTs that I can see in the
in the in the audience, by the way, because I've been
I've had my eyes open to a few new collections today as well.
But like I say, thanks for listening, everybody.
And like, big up the chef.
Thanks, Sups.
Really appreciate you being here and contributing.
The, you know, just talking about spaces too,
you know, like I have been doing my rounds
and all the, you know, Chespi, Shiba King,
Who's Big, Showbiz, all these spaces on Ape Chain,
G's on Ape, and, you know, making, you know, talking to the community because, like, it's also difficult to get reach for a space if you, you know, like the light bulb's gone off that I probably should have been hosting my own spaces a little bit about the bubble gum machine prior to the mints.
But I was doing all the other stuff. And sometimes we have blind spots as founders.
It's it's one of those things. It's it's a learn as you go how to approach, you know, you know, so much of my previous, you know, art experience was completely IRL.
I threw, you know, like eye candy out in the middle of New York City and everybody's like, it's like that was easy. But here I'm trying to connect to a bunch of disconnected cartoon JPEGs that are all around the world through my speaking voice.
And and it's a whole different approach. And so, you know, we all learn together.
And I think it's really important to just, you know. Connect with people that you connect with and, and obviously
retweet and, and that's free support for any project that's going out. And, uh, you know,
retreat, retreat the room, retreat their tweets, um, you know, comment, like all that stuff is
very important, um, ways to support people and, and buy their NFT if possible.
If not, do what you can to support them if you have a connection.
And, you know, that's what it's really all about.
We're, you know, in the Web3 metaversal type spaces, we're, you know, we can, we have such
a luxury of being able to communicate instantaneously in real time around the globe.
And this technology to do these voice rooms like this has only been around since Clubhouse, maybe four and a half years, maybe.
Right. Clubhouse was kind of first on the scene.
You know, you had Zooms, but you couldn't hold a zoom space with a thousand people um you
can broadcast but you're not going to have a conversation and you know we you know technology
is i you know i was out of college before the internet so to see the changes that i've seen
in my lifetime are just amazing and uh you uh, it, you know, like I've always been tuned into technology.
I lived in San Francisco for 15 years. And, uh, I, you know,
if you look at my personal Twitter account, Jack Dorsey follows me.
It's kind of wild. Yoko Ono follows me, you know,
because I promote peace and she's a peacenik so it's all good um it's it's kind of
um it's amazing but it's all a learning curve for each individual and how we how we connect with
people and the technology uh even though we have all this instantaneous communication
look at the state of the world and how the conflict and hunger and starvation we have
and we still haven't figured out how to fix it at all. I'm bringing food.
But we haven't used it for understanding.
Right.
Hey, I want to say Otis is in the room and Otis, I was reading your profile. I'm like,
you and I need to meet each other and talk about some of the things that are in your profile.
I've invited a bunch of friends up to join us to speak.
We'd love to have you here with us.
And resetting at the top of the hour, Nature, how are you?
GMGM, good afternoon to you kings and queens out there.
My engagement farming is over.
I just punched out of work, so I wanted to speak,
but I was a little busy working there, but I just clocked out. I just punched out of work, so I wanted to speak, but I was a little
busy working there, but I just clocked out. I'm still at the office here, but I just wanted to
come up and say hello to you guys. Jennifer, hello. Show support. Everybody on stage, Buzz, Rambo, G,
Haggai. Is that how you pronounce it? I'm sorry. Hello, everybody. And interesting conversation you guys were having there today. I mean, it really
soaked me in. But I just wanted to drop an opinion you guys were talking about in reference to the
project. How can we push it or what can you guys do? Let's flip the conversation to the consumer
side, to the collector side, you know, because you guys were speaking, in my opinion, based on the founder
level. How about the community side, the consumer side, us, you know, which I consider myself
a big consumer in this space. We also have a responsibility, right, to help and promote
good people, good projects, as you said, Jennifer, uh earlier good people will follow good people right and
in this space you have good people and you have bad actors you know you have a lot of bad actors
so that's why you know it's another issue security is high importance in the space but um sometimes
you don't need to sell out we don't't need a crazy community. You know, what we need is confident people and confident founders together working in
harmony to get the message out.
You know, this is a great project.
It has a great opportunity.
And it's like you said, it's real builders.
You know, reputation in this space also counts.
So that's how I came along because of you guys' reputation in this space also counts so that's how i came along because of
you guys reputation so that also counts but um you know you guys were asking earlier what do we have
to do to get g's or zords or gobs in here you know i honestly think you guys are doing it already i
think you guys we just have to keep on doing it. And more of a community level, we as consumers have to promote more and help.
I mean, we are the ones in these communities.
You know, we're the ones all over these communities.
So, you know, like you dropped the link space earlier.
I dropped the link space in the Davidverse space.
I dropped it in the Zard Discord.
I mean, you know, we can do that as well.
You know, us community members can help out as well.
So it's not just what you guys are doing.
It's what we're all doing in the space.
And I really believe in good people.
I'm big with that.
So good people will always find good people.
And you're right.
We don't need to mint out fast.
The message is there.
But we just, that was my opinion.
I just wanted to get that out.
It takes two to tango.
And I'm a firm believer in that, so.
Yeah, if I could add to what nature said um also if you see a founder having like if you have a founder um deciding to redistribute royalties back to the orders i mean that's actually a sign of a good project and you have chef fansho
has decided to uh have a deal with the diva verse to reward holders for just holding so if you mint
the more you mint the more divi the more royalty payment you get so that's actually good um chef pancho is one of the few people doing that
and that's very thoughtful um you see that as a way um from the founder's perspective that's one
of the signs that you know the founders they are they are thinking about their orders apart from the
irl events they are planning they are also thinking okay maybe you get weekly a coin back
just for the listing or you get monthly so i think that's actually a great um innovation from sandman
and apart from that as well almost since day one that all almost all the space I joined, you see Sandman, they're supporting, always coming up when he can, conversing with people, liking, retweeting.
So he's one of the founders that are very accommodative and supportive.
So I think there's nothing wrong with the Mint Prize.
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with the mint price or the collection so
yeah shout out to sandman and hopefully there is hopefully you guys can reason with um the fact
that they are thinking about supporting their order sorry about that they are thinking about
supporting the orders as well you see that um the entire bubblegum meeting um team is actually
a very good team so yeah i'm in support of chef banshu 100 so that's what i wanted to add
appreciate you rambo yeah and for those like i am the Sandman at Joe Mangrum is my artistic profile on Twitter. So.
Yeah, like, you know, there's you know, I've known Aaron, part of the board council and Ernest Lee. I just met recently at Ape Fest.
met recently at Ape Fest. But I've known Aaron since back before Bored Apes Ever Minted. And
we've connected for the first time IRL in Art Basel, Miami, where I had a big art show
showing my sand paintings on canvas and wood. And he told the story just about meeting me,
where I was at some Bored A ape event where they were promoting watches.
And he recognized the hustle because I was handing out cards to invite all the apes to my art show, which is with Aqua Art Miami, where I had a whole hotel room full of art.
And, you know, he met me there.
Grateful met me there. Logic, many other of the OG Apes came to that and, you know, support. And, you know, it started our IRL journey. And
since we've connected many times and did collabs out in with the Pizza pizza dow and laughing ape and city dow and public board at east denver
and uh we continue to collab with public board and and uh now we're you know aaron has moved
into the diviverse and and the board council so we're collaborating there and can i can i stop
you right there and have you talk about the Divi-verse? Because the one thing I'm really encouraged by is how many orange backgrounds I see in the space right now.
And that's a really good thing.
And I wanted to...
Go ahead, Mr. Solomon.
We have a special guest that I invited here.
His name is David. And I want you to give him the speak, the permission to speak here.
I believe Chef Pancho knows him.
And it's very, very important to understand and to give him to speak.
He's one of the...
I said whenever...
Can you teach us
how to correctly
pronounce your name for anybody that doesn't know?
You can
just call me Guy.
It's okay.
Guy?
Yeah, it's okay.
Hi, Guy.
When I was living in Hong Kong,
they cannot pronounce the H,
so they called me Guy, so it's okay.
We invited him, but disappeared.
Yeah, he told me that it's collapsed.
Just a second, I will send him the link again.
He tried to connect, and it's...
Oh, bad connection.
Yeah, let's take a copy link.
It's strange. But really appreciate the conversation, Guy.
And it's been really informative.
And have me reflecting on those blind spots that I mentioned and just doing spaces.
A lot of it's bandwidth
and you know we all have lives
and families and such that we
have to attend to as well
we can't forget that we gotta touch grass
we all do the best we can I think
and but
while we're waiting to see
if Aviv is coming back.
I'm sending him the link, but my link is not working.
I don't know.
He cannot see it.
Maybe I will tell him to connect the link in the chat.
Yeah, just tell him to go to my profile.
It'll be there.
In your profile?
Yeah, you know how the purple circle goes around your my profile while
we're live on the spaces you can tap in there um yeah i'm liking giving up and uh but just uh
talking about the diviverse and uh this is a new technology um application that's still in like development in terms of, uh,
you know,
how it's going to work and expand, uh,
Aaron Haber and,
Ernest Lee have,
have created this system where,
50% of the royalties collected on the collections like STK and the,
trashy treasure boxes and the dolls that are coming out,
as well as Ryder X, I think, is part of it.
And other collections, I can't remember at this moment,
but it's a system where the royalties,
50% of the royalties go back to holders on a weekly basis.
And depending on the number of tokens that you hold,
your Divi increases.
And I think, you know, that is something.
He just told me that when he pushes it,
it says, space says details not available.
Maybe he cannot enter because it's full?
Maybe. No, no, it's not full no no it's not full maybe it's the space from
yesterday um um i'll post another uh thing to my i i just posted so if he looks at my post
but he should be able to just go to my profile and tap on the purple circle. Guy, can you send me a DM
that connects him
and I will DM him my
invite and see if that makes a difference?
What?
In the meantime, we've
new Beneville
on stage, part of the
RyderX Mint.
So, welcome GM. So, welcome, GM.
Hey, GM, how's everybody doing?
All good.
Hey, GM, thanks for coming.
You're getting ready for your big day.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's coming up.
Coming up.
One week.
Just for the record, right now in my hand,
I am holding my official order of Kentucky Colonel's Colonel Julep Cup.
Sheesh.
What's in it?
I literally just finished.
You'd be embarrassed.
I'm embarrassed for me. I literally just had some You'd be embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for me.
I literally just had some iced coffee in it.
Oh, that is embarrassing.
I would expect something completely different.
Well, it's lovely to have you here.
Thank you for coming and joining the conversation.
For sure.
I have a question how many uh of the 88 prices have been revealed none will be revealed until the collection is minted out wow gotcha gotcha
in the meantime you you get your coins ready for the slot and then the reveal is the crank of that slot and you'll see what pops
out and you know so that's the uh the fun part and you know there's 88 different prizes we haven't
really talked about them much today but um the uh you know there's uh 13 different NFT prizes, which include apes and, well, not apes, Gs, shapes, portals, spunkies, pixel pals.
Just trying to think off the top of my head. There's a dragon NFT.
And physical, real NFT.
How am I going to say this?
You could win a real customized gumball machine.
Yes.
There's five different gold gumballs within the plastic acorns.
Hey, did we post up at the top what those capsules are going to look like?
Yeah, you can see those in the Jumbotron.
I think it's the third post in the Jumbotron.
Yeah.
So that gives you an idea how these capsules come out.
There's STK in there um and fresh kicks um and then if
you scroll down the thread you see the irl gumball machine and it explains it all so um that's a post
please share about you know and the other thing poncho you know what else i i don't know that we
did a good enough job of how when i was explaining how I thought we would end up with like 1,000 or 1,200 holders,
I didn't think it would be more than that because I really thought that people would learn about the Diviverse
and say, I want to hold as many as I want to hold in this.
And with the odds and all the other things that if you held a certain amount, not only did you improve your chances of getting a prize, but you're going to increase the value and the volume of the royalties through the Diviverse.
And I really thought those two things, and maybe we just haven't done a good enough job explaining the brand new concept of Divi-verse to everybody.
Yeah, I think people are definitely sleeping on the Divi-verse.
I mean, certainly a lot of people, like, went really hard with Mother Egg,
but that was, like, super gamified and really well done.
But I think most people are just, like just not even aware of how amazing it is.
Yeah, it's brand new, and it's one of those attention things.
If you can get a space with 1,000 people talking about it,
the word travels fast.
But if you've got 20 or 30 then it travels
much slower and by the way do you know what it means do you know what the divi verse means to
developers and collectors alike it means that the people like us that are producing these products
and projects are not getting the royalty if it's going somewhere else.
And where it's going is to the people who supported it in the first place.
Right.
And eventually you'll get all your mid-price back.
If you're a long-term holder.
term holder like you know uh and if and if we were and if we were like um junk mail scumbag dicks
we would do something like say hey get this mint for free you just have to follow the fine print
and do all these things but we've made it so much more honest and easy than that saying you know
what this is what it costs this is how many we have and and yeah there's all kinds of possibilities about where not only
you're going to get your mint price back but you are going to be really glad you got in when you
did to do all the things we're going to do together because we didn't do this just for us we did this
for you yeah and you know ultimately what you get is access. And, you know, there's so much out there that, you know, like I said earlier, in my DMs, there's gaming platforms that are offering me collaborations.
And it just takes time to sort of sort things out.
And maybe the bubblegums will be in a game.
Maybe the bubblegums will be in a game.
Something I'd never even imagined becomes an opportunity because people are attracted to the project.
And, you know, I don't know if it'll pursue.
I, you know, I'm not promising anything, but it's certainly an interesting angle that I hadn't thought of and uh so uh we you know we evaluate the the value to
both our holders and to uh the collaboration and uh see where where things sift out
that's the best thing and uh oh i see grateful came in even i love grateful even though he's got an aquamarine background but i'll
invite him to speak but uh it uh you know it it it's a crazy thing and you know grateful has a
chocolate brand grateful chocolate with his uh partner infatorum uh tino and and great chocolate. Tried it at Ape Fest.
I recently made a recipe for a recipe collaboration using grateful ape chocolate,
Pancho Poppins chocolate clockwork orange cookies served in a sort of banana split style. And, you know, I've been, you know, like promoting other
characters in the space because I love them and I want to be creative with them and I want to
play in this metaversal space. So I started, you know, got the idea that I wanted to make
recipes. And so I've made the orange Arita,
the blood orange margarita for Arita from G's.
I've made the banana chocolate banana split with the grateful.
I've done the lost chicken burrito
and the Chesapeake cheese pie and others.
The peepee man birthday cake, which is a actual real world cake that I
made, uh, back in the day for a friend's wedding, which is, uh, he asked me, he's like, I'm getting
married. Can you make me a fruitcake? And I was like, are you, are you really going here? Are you
really going here? No, no, I'm i'm just you know sharing what you know i've
done historically and because you told me not to go there oh no go there oh i'm telling about the
recipes that i've made and uh you know like there's a you know crazy fruitcake that i made
for a friend back in the day. And, and I thought this,
like the whole running joke of every day is PP man's birthday. So we got to have a PP man birthday cake and there's one in the other side. And, uh, you know, so I was like, I'll,
I'll make my own version of the PP man birthday cake. And, uh, you know, multiple recipes,
I don't know, maybe a dozen or so. i did one for mcchiavelli uh fruit
salad with the mutant snot drizzle you know it's all in fun um but you know there's going to be
recipes that we're going to come out with uh that you know the creative aspects of of the
poncho poppins and the poppin Foods brand is that we are going to create
recipes that are not like anything else you've ever tried because we experiment with food
just like I've experimented with my artwork for decades.
It's about like bringing a texture and a flavor and combining ingredients that are maybe unordinary and and
surprising to have that crunch and the savory and the sweet and the salt and and other things that
really make your your palate explode and you're like wow that's I've never tasted anything like that before. And so that's, you know, the sort of the vision of the brand and the food end. But, you know, the IRL is bring those food experiences to you in, you know, hosting brunches or cocktail hours and different things, but also packaged food products, you know, a whole litany of things that we want to do.
But, you know, the whole idea came out of my lasagna recipe that I've made for over
a decade for all my friends on my birthday.
And so I've experimented with so many different ingredients, white red sauces chicken mushrooms spinach really odd
flavors i you know put fennel and all kinds of things and and mixed in with lasagna to
experiment and and good fun and.
I don't know. I don't know what to say now, but.
Where I was going with all that, but I hope you enjoy, you know, I can.
I'm going to continue creating sort of fun recipes, but also real earth recipes that we're going to package and bring to your table.
GMGM, everybody, as we head to the bottom of the hour, this is Chef Poncho Poppins' board bubblegum machine mint and it's turned into a a really robust discussion about the future
of ape related ape chain web3 projects and opportunities and community
nature thank you uh speaking about the future jenn, what is the future for Bored Bubblegum?
Is it food envisioned?
Are we going towards a culinary experience?
Or are we staying on an NFT experience?
T experiments? Are we mixing it?
Are we mixing it?
I just wanted to know what your visions are for the future.
I just wanted to know what your visions are for the future.
We've had the IRL bubblegum machine experience that we're bringing into the
metaverse. And then that's going to bring it back to the IRL.
And we're going to wave in between. And like I mentioned,
I'm getting DMS about collaborating with gaming platforms.
Yeah. But, but what he was asking is more about like our vision.
So the whole reason this started is if you look at Chef Poncho's PFP, there's gum in his mouth in
the form of the bored bubblegum trait. And when we were talking about creating a broader food and hospitality business for our Made by Apes license number 348,
that we got after we participated in both the first cohort APU program and the beta test APU cohort,
APE U program and the beta test APE U cohort because we put in a proposal that wasn't successful
because of the conditions of the other side and understanding where that was that gave rise to
the fact that we have APE Chain today and the Ape Chain ecosystem that we're all
minting in and being a part of and thank Ape. And there's so much more to talk about with that.
But we imagined that in creating a food business that is going to deliver food, that you as a
human being, wherever you are in the world, is going to order through the digital.
Imagine if you were a member of a neighborhood,
and you had a restaurant and a grocery store in your neighborhood,
or you were a member of the Bored Ape Yacht Club,
and your yacht was moored at your yacht club,
and the yacht club served you food,
and that if you were going out on a journey on your yacht, you would call a
provisioning company to come bring the groceries to your yacht. So all these conversations are
taking place and we imagined creating a virtual digital grocery store and provisioning company
for all the apes on all their yachts. And if that were a physical place,
one of the coolest things about going to the grocery store and the experience we brought back
to is where did Chef Poncho get his gum? And so we imagined as a little degenerate ape that he
would have stood in front of a gumball machine like we all
did when we were kids, wherever we grew up in the world. And we got a coin and we put it in the
machine from our parents and we got a gumball or we were chasing a prize. And in that moment,
the stirrings of being a degenerate chasing something that we recognize today is
what makes us the degenerates we are today. We thought about if we're going to do a food business,
wouldn't it be cool if we put a gumball machine out front while we're actually building and
developing the grocery store and the provisioning company
and give everybody that nostalgic taste of understanding where Chef Poncho Poppins was
born and where he comes from and where the gum comes from and how much fun we could have by turning the process of minting an NFT into as easy and accessible a game of degenerate fun
as putting a coin in a gumball machine when we were kids.
And that's what this is because it's connected to the food
because grocery stores have the gumball machines out front,
and that's where Poncho got his first gumball to blow that first bubble that you see in his PFP.
But the bigger mission, if you get to know both Poncho and I and me, is that I am a veteran of the hospitality industry. I'm a member of Les Dames d'Escoffier, which is an international organization of women
in leadership in the international hospitality industry.
I'm a consultant with one of the most important consulting firms in the world, working on
major hospitality industry projects.
And in my broadcast career of culinary storytelling and consulting,
I've won the James Beard Prize, which is like winning an Oscar in the food world.
So where we come from is food-based. Where our commitment is born is in our passion to be of
service. And literally, Poncho and I will both tell you that because food is one of the fine arts,
and whether he's painting with sand or we're painting with pizza, all of it is meant to
delight you because we are here at your service. And that's not a complicated thing.
What everybody just needs to understand is we're here at your service.
And one of the ways the building of this project says to you, we're at your service. And I just
thought of this now. We were talking about restaurants with Guy earlier. What if you went
to a great dinner and at the end of the meal, you left a tip for the team that gave you great
service. And what if every dollar you spent on a tip came back to you 50% to thank you for being
a patron of the restaurant? That is what the Digiverse is. That's what we've built into this
project. So we kind of thought everyone would want
to buy five or ten of these because it's going to give you more rewards and returns.
So tell the people. Tell the people. Jennifer, tell the people this. Write it. Mark it. You think people know it? I didn't know it.
Well, if you hadn't come along and reminded us of what we hadn't said because we're here out
talking and and and you know maybe we assumed people knew more about the digiverse than we do
and and maybe because it's so we've held like three or four spaces on the diviverse
but i mean he's he's absolutely yeah but he's absolutely right. It's just an example
of how hard it is to get the word out
when it's an attention economy.
I'm sorry you didn't
do it, but we have talked about it.
Rambo's part of it.
Aaron and Ernest hold
spaces about it weekly.
It's one of those things that
STK started the Divi-verse.
Yeah. My fail. Youiverse. And, yeah, like my fail.
But you know what?
I think.
But you need to explain, Jennifer, Jennifer, you know, a lot of people don't understand
one-a-prophet English.
You said Diviverse.
I don't know even what the word meaning.
Maybe you need to explain it more simple.
Maybe a right, not a right, make a simulation.
Write a picture of
buy NFT,
you will get 5%.
I don't know what.
You get 50% of the royalties back.
Yes.
Transfer this information
to something
that people all over
the world will understand,
even if they know little English.
Not everybody knows perfect English.
I don't know even what is this meaning, Debbie verse. Did you understand when we explained it with the restaurant example
of leaving a tip and then getting half the tip back?
And then I had it.
Now I took the community, the connection.
Poncho.
This is so, this is so important to get this feedback.
This is such important feedback.
No, I agree.
I just posted one of Aaron's posts.
I'm not sure if it includes all the Diviverse stuff,
but I'm working on getting the the more
explanation of the diviverse it like like i said earlier there's always blind spots that we're
missing in communication and you know that's why we're here to have these discussions so
you know it's so great that you've you've brought all these issues up and uh
rambo's got his hand up i'm sure he can explain it a little
better because the sdks have been involved in the divi versus is like sort of their uh flagship
project with the divi verse so um we want to chime in here grambo thank you
yeah so that was well thank you chef pancho that was what i said earlier when i made comments about
uh chef pancho's collection so i was like saying that part of the reason why you should mint is
that um you be getting royalty payment is more like um a licensing agreement where you get paid realities does you get you receive
a coin for just the listing the nft collection so if you mean more but
bubblegum today now you get after the mint out you get paid ApeCoin. If it is weekly payment, the team agrees,
or monthly payment, or bi-weekly.
Jennifer, you need to put it on the paper.
I hear you.
It's crazy.
No, keep going.
We actually host spaces Tuesdays and Thursdays,
so you could join the space and ask any
question if you'd like and you know what I think is really interesting
because even when we host a space about digiverse nobody knows what it is they
don't understand that it is so financially rewarding and remunerative, a reward for participation
in the projects that are part of this early
stage of the digiverse. And when I
said that, I assumed people knew because we've
done these spaces, but they may not even know that that's what this means.
And I hear you loud and clear that this needs to be communicated more effectively
to the gobs, to the g's on ape, etc.
And I'm grateful for the opportunity to do so.
And they will ask you, okay, we get reality, okay?
How we get reality okay how we get it if for example if I have a 10 like to explain
the to say you will get it you need to explain all how you will get it how
much how present you will get like to be more clear. You understand? Yeah. So Jeff, would you do that now for us?
Yeah.
So I just posted the link to the Divi verse,
D I V I T verse divot.
It's a Divi verse.
And that like,
that's a point where you can look through and find out more about it.
But what happens with the Diviverse, based on how many tokens you hold within the collection,
NFT project on a weekly basis get divided, divvied out to the holders based on how many
tokens they hold.
So just to make numbers easy, if the royalties for the week, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, chef,
just delisted assets Just delisted assets.
Delisted, right.
Thanks for that correction.
Because, you know,
I'm just as new to the
diverse as anybody.
You know, we've been discussing
it for a couple months, but it's
still very new, and it's hard
to get all the language correct
when you're... And what does delisted mean, Chef, for everybody that's here for the first time?
Delisted is mean.
Don't list it.
It's not listed.
These people understand.
Right, right.
So for delisted tokens within the collection, say there's $1,000 of royalties collected in a week.
royalties collected in a week so that 50 so 500 of that royalty would be distributed
to each holder based on how many tokens they hold within the collection that are delisted
if you're listing you're not going to get a divi listing from any wall like if you have 10
tokens in your wallet and you've got one listed
you're not going to get the divi for that week it has to be fully delisted and uh important point
is there's no permissions even so if you've listed one and you delist it and then you've
you haven't revoked that permission it's not going to trigger the Divi.
So that's a little more technical, but that's how I understand it personally from the best of my knowledge.
And so that $500 goes out to 5,555 token holders distributed upon their holdings.
And what happens if the price of the asset goes up? Say it goes from
what is it? 34.8
348.
It's increasing depending on how much
trade volume there is. But if there's
a lot of trade volume
there's going to be a lot more
royalties for one week to the next but if there's trade volume there's less tokens list there's less
there's more tokens listed therefore the divi becomes larger to those who have it delisted
delisted.
Does that make sense?
does that make sense
Guy, does that answer the question?
So it's the same like
we're staking our
mutants and apes.
We get like, as long as
people
stake, we get less.
Yeah,
more people staking,
you get a less percentage.
So yeah, similar people staking, you get a less percentage. So, yeah, similar thing, but this is a new technology
developed by the board council, Aaron Haber and Ernest Lee.
So, yeah, that is one of the
blockchain miracles that are going to be played out.
And, you know, we've got uh you know
all kinds of other things planned so this is a perfect utility that you need to mention that's
it in a simple way that's a complete like like i said we've posted the spaces with aaron um but i but I have your guy yeah oh gee have you got a question or comment or anyone
anyone else oh yeah guy posted I posted on the Jumbotron a little like
explanation on about the divi so you can check that out as well he's on the
jumbotron already if you need it so I appreciate that gee thank you so much
My turn?
Yeah.
Oh, who was that before?
I know, but then somebody kept going on.
It was just, okay, no biggie.
Y'all invited me up to speak, and I appreciate that a lot.
Nobody ever does that but you guys, and I appreciate it.
Well, actually, Jimmy did it today, too, so it makes me feel real good.
And nothing going on.
I kind of get lost in the conversation,
but I catch some of it and understand it.
A lot of interruption, so it's kind of hard to follow.
ADHD mind goes one way and the other at the same time.
But it's very interesting, and I get the point.
And I've been on the Digiverse Discord
trying to learn and understand and posting about mint.
So I was able to mint one.
The other day I minted two.
And then yesterday I minted one.
I went back to Ape Chain Relay to bridge some more ape.
And whatever I bridged is lost in the shuffle of the blockchain.
Can't find it anywhere.
And I did the same exact thing as I did before.
This happens all the time.
I've got a lot of money out there somewhere.
Frustrating.
You're saying that they're not showing up in your wallet or something?
Yes, it's not showing up in my wallet.
And I did the same... Are you using
OpenSea or Magic Eden? I'm
bridging in Ape Chain on
Relay.
Oh, you're having trouble seeing the
ApeCoin? Yeah, when I
do E to Ape.
So do E to E. E to
Apes. Because that's the only choice you get.
And the Relay Bridge?
Yes.
Are you using that?
Yes.
DoEthChain.com.
Because they use Relay.
Yeah.
The Relay Bridge is preferred.
And you're using Metamask?
Metamask.
And I'm switching.
Because I have ETH there.
So I'm taking it and putting it ETH in this one wallet, in the same wallet.
So I take ETH and put it to APE, and it stays in the same wallet.
I had no problem the first time.
Now, when I, um, I think it's important to, like, make sure you're bridging to APE on APE chain.
You can also, like, swap ETH to APE on ape chain you can also like swap swap eth to ape on eth right um so um it could
be a network issue i've also experienced uh in metamask where there will be a temporary glitch
and the ape coin will not be in the list of of tokens that I'm holding and then you know sometimes like
you get browser and a cache build up and stuff in your browser and you need to
delete the cache and kind of restart your browser make it work again I do
that often for some unerty reason I have to constantly do that because it's
really weird especially on my iPad where I will get out,
close the program, shut it down completely.
And then when I open the browser, it's there again.
And I'm like, I don't have it set that way.
So I have to go in and clear the history and do all this stuff.
But I do that in MetaMask as well.
I will clear the cache and all that and get it out of there.
So when I start, I can start fresh.
I do that like once a week or so so yeah I've never like done mints or anything on a mobile device or
an iPad because it's I just feel desktop is a little more like secure or
whatever I feel you know lose your phone and things like that. Right. You're going to have to make sure your backups are in place.
I prefer desktop using MetaMask or Chrome browser.
Yes, and I've been doing that on my desktop.
I like to mention on my desktop because those are my two wallets that I use specifically for Ape.
And then the wallet on my iPad I think I'll use for something else.
Because lately I've been on my iPad a little bit more, especially when I travel.
Going to NYC New York, NFT, I'll take it with.
Looks like to be on top.
But trying to figure out what they do the last day, so whether I know they have to stay or not.
There's so much going on with 8Fest, but that's only one day, and I have to justify that.
I really want to go, though.
Well, Ape Fest is going to last probably four or five days, to be honest.
I mean, we've already got reservations for events for three days.
So we're counting on people sticking around longer than the one day
events and other things that are going to be happening around ape fest are all part of it
in lisbon um i you know there's a similar type of situation where there's events all over
the city and the main event was on saturday night and then you know the community gets together
road trips around.
I know Grateful's planning a big road trip around
Vegas.
So, you know,
like, take the opportunity
to have a little
vacation fun
around the date and
meet up with the community and do
that sort of thing.
It makes it all the experience much more wild.
Like I spent a couple of months.
And by the way, we're giving a new definition to the term guerrilla marketing.
Ooh.
It's as fun as a barrel of monkeys.
That's just, yeah, my, what date?
It's the 18th, is it?
It hasn't even sunk in.
It's listed as the 24th for Las Vegas.
But I think we're doing stuff 23, 24, 25, and 26 are where we have reservations.
Oh, good, good.
Because it works out great because it's my daughter-in-law's birthday.
So my son would go with me.
So she would come too, and they would have like a little mini vacation on top of it.
So that would work out really well. Yeah, I don't mind. she would come too and they would have like a little mini vacation on top of it so
that would work out really well yeah i don't mind thank you for all the support uh you've been a
real a real g yeah real thank you no and i like something i really like it i believe in something
i really do not i personally i love h and i it's great. I tell people all the time.
They might not agree, but I see Poppy's going to buy News Ape Chain with his projects, which is great.
And it'll follow suit because, you know, most people follow him.
He's number one in a sense.
Have the quirky shadows been enabled yet?
I haven't heard anything about it.
I'll have to ask my son. I know Poppy's working about it. I'll have to ask my son.
I know Poppy's working on it.
I'll have to ask my son. I've been trying to
get more information
on that so I can follow it.
I'd like to
know what's going on. I'm trying to learn everything
that my old brain will
take in
and remember.
Because I want to do more than just be a listener and I'll support no matter what. But I want to do more than just be a listener and
I'll support no matter what
but I want to do more
so if you
ever need any help anyone
I'm retired, I have nothing else to do
but hang out
in spaces
alright
I might take you up on that
anytime, I'm here not going anywhere really except my granddaughter's graduation All right. Might take you up on that. Oh, anytime.
I'm here.
Not going anywhere, really, except my granddaughter's graduation at Miami and then NYC and Vegas.
And I'm just anxious to get back home.
Did you say you live upstate?
In New York, yeah.
Not upstate, Hudson Valley. Yeah.
Technically, upstate is Albany and above.
I think I put that in the DM,
because I used to go up,
get off the Kingston exit on the throughway,
and go up even further into Delaware Valley up there.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The skiing in Andes,
and we have a farm up in Bvina where John Denver used to live.
John Lennon had a lot of land up there.
I think his wife still has it.
Farm country.
By Bear Mountain?
Well, it's not too far from a mountain.
I mean, there's mountains everywhere up there, if you want to call them mountains.
No, Bear Mountain.
Bear Mountain.
Oh, no, I've never been to Bear.
Never been to Bear.
Interesting.
David Bowie had a recording studio up here on the Ashokan Reservoir.
Nice.
And Olive.
Nice.
Yeah, a lot of celebrities came up to that little 600 town.
People town, it's dry as a bone.
You had to go 50 miles to get a beer.
I couldn't deal with it.
I'm a city girl.
But I do miss New York.
I miss it a lot.
But I'll let you go my rambling.
I'm sorry, guys.
Well, like, out of what you've seen of the bubblegums, what attracts you and what traits do you like?
The whole bubblegum idea attracts me to the idea of just using a bubblegum machine.
We were never allowed when I was a kid.
So it's either it wasn't kosher or I don't have the money.
And back then it was a penny.
So we used to collect our pennies and behind my parents' back we used to go up and get bubble gum.
But just the thrill of you never know what you're really going to get.
You don't know what flavor you're going to get.
In this instant, you don't know what surprise you're going to get, present, you know, giveaway type stuff.
So the traits of the color.
I like the blue and not too sour
and it can blow bubbles it doesn't get hard quick you'll blow a real good bubble
took me a very long time to learn how to blow a bubble well you know like the idea is you know i
no promises or whatever but the idea of chewing the gum came into
my head the other day.
And, you know, like, you know, there's all types of ways that you can play with blockchain
and make it fun.
And I remember, you know, if you were to chew gum, what would that be in blockchain, right?
And maybe it's a, you know, the gum is used, right?
So if there, you know, like no promises, it's just an idea.
If you were to chew the gum maybe it's a burn
to claim a different NFT
or something like that
that's just ideas
and probably too much to share
when we did the rare pizzas
I think it's excellent
when we did rare pizzas
you minted a pizza box.
And then when you baked your pizza is when you got the reveal of what the toppings were, the one-of-one set of toppings on your pizza.
So that was that transformative.
And we did that back in 21.
And it was cumbersome and laborious.
But it was cumbersome and laborious. But it was fun.
And it was one of the first times I had had something like that where it was a truly transformative technology that was changing the actual NFT that we had gotten.
And I know that this is, we have some dimension of that already baked in, but I love the idea of chewing the gum.
I think that's
really fun and you know how much fun was it when you and your kids or your grandkids were at the
store and they were asking you for the gumball money I'm like I mean that's that's one of the
great joys of being a parent right oh yeah it was normally I had the quarter and was able to give it to them because I knew what it was like not to be able to.
And I would watch to see what came out.
Or they would trade.
Oh, I liked that one better.
And then they would trade.
But I don't care how old you are.
It's still fun to put that money in that machine and just get something that you don't normally get.
It's like a treat after you go to a restaurant
and you want something and there's the gum machine.
Oh, can I get some?
Sure.
Here.
Especially the grandkids.
You always let them get whatever.
You have to spoil them.
I'm waiting for the great-grandkids to get older
so I can really spoil them.
They're almost two now.
So the wonders of life. So we're coming up, we're coming up to
the top of the hour here. And this is the board bubblegum machine mint that has served, uh, I like
to think of a really, a really thought provoking purpose to not only improve the way that we explain for understanding
not only the intention but the reality and the execution of this project and because because
you are a mensch you came and talked with us and told us important things about how to make this work better because you care. And as my Nana would say,
if I didn't care, I wouldn't say anything. The fact that you've showed up today and not only
showed up but said something says everything because how you do anything is how you do everything. And once again, the idea that good people find a way
to one another in this fantastic ecosystem. And it's really thrilling to have you all here.
I see a bunch of mutants. I see a bunch of apes. Grateful's here. And you know, when you're in one of Grateful's spaces, they make it look
like this is really easy. And it's not. And I respect that on your day off, you might not want
to come up and chat. But I just want to tell you, it's an honor to have you here with us
as we transition from segment to segment and voice to voice. The fact that you're here makes a big
difference for me because I don't know that I've had you in one of my spaces, but I've probably
been in a hundred of yours. So thank you. Thank you for the honor of being here with us.
And I wanted to give everybody the chance if they wish to.
Please know how grateful we are to have you here, how welcome you are here, how welcome your voice is, your point of view.
And please let us know.
I've sent out a bunch of invites to speak.
And if you want to come join us please come join us
yeah please you know retweet the room and uh you know get it out there um but i wanted to
ask guy um what you think about the idea of you know chewing the gum and in a sort of burn
to redeem something else at a later date um The actual, you know, with the Diviverse and everything,
not something that would happen right away,
but that would effectively reduce the collection.
It was a point that you brought up earlier, but in a different way.
And I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
If you can see, I was busy now in posting some of my G's and Minotaur with the bubblegum.
I love this read very much.
So I posted a few pictures below the post that you put.
Look, in Israel, usually,
they have, in the city,
they have a bunch of those machines in the middle of, you know,
with all the tourists.
So when we were kids,
we didn't put money.
We had a special coin and we tied this coin to a string and we put it and take the coin back and then we take a lot of bubble gum.
I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
That's fantastic.
Because we don't want to spend money.
So we found the trick that we can take a lot of bubblegums.
But see that degenerate mischievousness, the mischief, the joy of mischief, of pure childlike mischief.
This is at the core of the spirit of this community.
The joy of the mischief and the silly.
By the way, the tweet of the bubble gum in all the collection is very high.
If you look in the collection, when they have the bubble gum, even in the Minotaur and even in the Gobbs and even in the G's, they are ranked very high.
Yeah, they're rare, for sure.
And that's sort of what we built the lore of Poncho. We were given apes with, go out and build. And we've worked on the story of Poncho.
The first image that I posted of him, he doesn't have gum in his mouth, but he's staring at this gumball machine in front of the store.
And we did another animation in front of the Big Ape grocery where he comes back to the machine and puts a coin in the slot, gets out his gum, and also pulls out a prize.
and and uh and also pulls out a prize so it's a you know you know building on that story and uh
you know there's there's more to come you know it's like a little chapter by chapter reveal
just as yugolabs has been posting these sort of uh abstract images of uh you know uh you know guessing where ape fest is going to be is it going
to be hawaii is it going to be the mountains is it going to be where um and so the fun is in the
mystery and now we found out that it's las vegas and i'm like how does all these previous images connect to Las Vegas?
I'm still befuddled by it. And, you know, I'm curious, you know, when we actually arrive, how those images are going to be connected to the whole experience that they're building.
And Carlo did an excellent job with Ape Best in Lisbon.
Fest in Lisbon, and
can't wait to see what
unfolds as
we get closer and closer to the date
as well as the
IRL experience of A-Fest.
Yeah.
Well, in the mountains,
the red rocks.
Yeah, they were
like Gordon and Garga were climbing a snowy mountain and then they were
on easter island at one point you know kind of these big stone idols and everybody's like oh
is it going to be in the galapagos or where are we going it's like uh hawaii uh you know like uh
sandy beaches with like sort of Zen gardens.
Like what does this all connect and what does it mean?
And so, you know, we've created our own lore around Poncho
and that's going to continue as well.
Look, you need to take, not be shy and to take all your connection with the, you know, like in the space of Baka, of all those names, you know.
And go to those spaces, speak a little bit, you know, use your connection because one of the only thing people tell me when I ask them before, before the mint, who is this? What is this? Oh, he's well connected. It will work out. He is well connected. He is OG. You need to use it. Go to those spaces of those of the big spaces that every day how it's called
spunky
I've been blocking spaces
yeah Shiba King
and Chesapeake
hasn't been doing spaces recently
I'm not sure maybe he's just
taking a break
the trenches spaces disappeared.
All that has been sort of like unexpected developments that, you know, throw curveballs at us.
But I'm in Baca's space every night.
You know, sometimes it's more serious.
Sometimes it's just, you know, hanging.
He minted?
Minted what? Your collection hanging. He minted?
Minted what?
Your collection.
Baka minted your collection?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So tell him to write a post.
I minted, I swept, I did this.
Tell him to work a little bit.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a collector of the Portals collection with my uh sand art
good they need to to spread the word all those big shots they need to
to write because once the people see that they are minting
and they also you saw james the post up top james uh with the mintatars and gobs he posted about it today yeah and uh only today yeah yeah you know people have lives
and you can't expect yeah yeah so what you need is to repost his post
Yeah.
So what you need is to repost his post.
Absolutely, you did.
I clue tweeted it and put my Minotaur with the bubblegum treat in it.
And then I started Lego my gum.
And a little Mint Lake and all that.
Who's got gum?
Do you know the best part about this space today? Do you know what the best part about this space today do you know the best part about
this is it reminds us how much of a community we are and how many people are still waiting for us
to connect and once we do it's like hail fellow well met like welcome home where have you been we missed you
even if we've never met before that feeling that we're part of something bigger than ourselves
and we're all here in this and as we are here in service to that today was extraordinary. Thank you.
Well, one of the things, you know, like, you know, James has minted and shared his post. But going back to my portals collection, which was in November, you know, it was another kind of slower mint.
It minted out in the afternoon, but it was kind of slow and and didn't
have much steam in the beginning um now it's a different time a chain is a little older and the
markets have changed and all that stuff has happened but uh you know mid-afternoon uh when
the portals collection was minting garga picked one up and tweeted about it.
And then within a half hour, the whole collection was gone.
And so, you know, it's like with an account with so many followers, you know, things can change in an instant.
And, you know, with the Bored Ape Mint, it was pranxi who minted 1200 board apes
and it brought the attention to the collection and it minted out and then all the all the hype
was created and and then the board ape journey began um but it was pransy who really minted all those 1,200 tokens and then boom, and it changed.
And, you know, you look back and the founders weren't doxed for another six months after that mint.
And it was, you know, a whole different type of journey at the time.
whole different type of journey at the time.
So, you know, we hope we get more and more support,
more and more people with influence
get in the bubble gum machine and like,
understand it on a deeper level and start,
you know, really showing their support and tweets and-
And you know, I'm reading what James,
the comments below the James post.
And I see the Chiba King said, would be nice to see Balvar Topo, Chef.
He is such a good guy.
Maybe post a space for him.
This is his comment.
Chiba King.
Well, should we do that, Chef?
Host a space with Shiba?
Or Garga.
No, this is what Shiba wrote.
Maybe host a space for him.
I don't know what you mean.
Maybe Shiba would yeah yeah no yeah
every we'd love to i've been in you know countless spaces with shiba so yeah and
what is not one focus what is the lego that you posted what is this lego
label lego lego lego my bubble gum lego yeah it's just a play on words let like
let go my bubble gum and the minotaurs but it's like a it's a picture of a
Lego with the bubble gum but it's the mintatars. But there's a campaign.
There was a campaign for a waffle company called Eggo that's run for 25 years.
And they say, Lego my Eggo.
And so it's a riff on that.
It's a portmanteau of the two things.
Yeah, it may be a little lost in translation in terms of culture, you know.
More of an American-centric, sort of tongue-in-cheek joke approach to a post.
But, you know, it's all in good fun and mischief, as we say.
It's 1-1-1 in the Wild West on the Pacific Northwest Coast of North America.
This is the Twitter space for Chef Poncho Poppins, Bored Bubblegum Machine Mint.
And one of the things that I just heard, and I hope you heard it too,
is that this project is connected back to day one of the OG apeness that has given rise to the ape chain, the ape coin,
ape fest, and your very apeness if it manifests as a G or a gob or a mintator or in any realm of the projects that have come up in this ecosystem. And we're still very early. But this
is an official OG roots going all the way back to day one project. We literally were in the room
on April 23rd, 2021 in the clubhouse. And I'm sure somewhere in somebody's files, we can find
a screenshot of us doing that because it became very apparent very quickly how historic and
important it was, what was going on. And so those early days in Clubhouse that have given rise to this moment is the family tree, the DNA of our ape family, of our community.
Thank you, Chef. attention look i just you know uh reading here the the post and there is now in balva
a collection called neck neck a personate and they are a
stick safe or ten eight no something like this and they are 40 percent minted
and what what they post now hi fam just wanted to share something special with you.
The top holder will get one gift. A little thank you for believing in our journey. We
are already minted 40% and it's just getting started. You see, people are struggling, but they are always looking for something that will draw
attention.
Things like this, for sure, draw attention.
Because if I go now to Balabar, I's a collection of 1111, 12, and look, they are struggling to meet 40%.
It's crazy. So this is the time now, you see?
And they are offering, okay, if you buy the most order that you buy,
we give him a go.
It's crazy.
But this is the situation.
You understand?
Yes.
Yes.
And you're absolutely correct. And people, you see, people will buy because they say, okay, I will invest maybe 68, maybe I will win a go.
Why not?
It's a small collection.
Maybe I can do also a flip here for another one out of the 208.
And I have an opportunity to win a go.
1,608.
Why not?
But this is what's going on.
Hey, Chef Poncha Poppins, you don't have a gob, do you?
I don't have a gob. It's a giveaway.
Go get some of this.
Go get it.
Me 20.
20,000 apes. Yeah, sure.
I'll just pull that out of my back pocket.
No. Why? 20? It's 248. 20,000 apes. Yeah, sure. I'll just pull that out of my back pocket. No, why? 20? It's 248.
For a gob?
No. The top holder will win a gob.
So the mint price is 12 apes.
If you mint 20, it's 200 and something. And if you win, go.
By the way, can I tell you, Chef Pancho Poppins run right now and do that.
Because can you imagine how exciting the lore and the legend would be if in a room about our project,
lore and the legend would be if in a room about our project,
you learned from one of our holders about another project,
about an asset that you didn't even have,
that while we were still hosting the space you went and got,
and all of this was part of the magic of you getting your gob.
Maybe you have a way to know from those 40%,
I don't know, I don't understand in this like if you if in this stage
you know who is the top holder no not who is the top holder who how many not how many
like who is the first place now what is the top uh people that? Do you have, in the blockchain, do you have a possibility to see now?
Oh, you can see it, but you may not be able to identify it.
No, not identify it, but if you go now and you can check if there is a person that mints more than 20.
You know, Pancho, I'm a very lucky girl.
Why don't you go do it for me?
I guarantee.
No, first of all, you need to check
if someone already minted 20.
Because if someone...
And then like on the prices, right?
You go, 21, Bob. Yeah. because if someone and then like and then and then like on the prices right you go 21 bob
but this is what now what they make is like they make a competition because people will look
oh this is what and people will sweep that's it we'll buy
yeah that would be more um it would be a lot easier to do
after the mint to hold those types of
things.
Because the prizes are set, the art is done,
the acorns are, there's 88 of them,
but The acorns are, you know, there's 88 of them. But the, you know, there's sort of all the NFT prizes and the like that we've already established and the gold gumballs with ponchos portrait on them.
Those get the real life bubble gum machines that are custom.
get the real life bubblegum machines that are custom and and then we've got
all these other monkey prizes which are gamified to a degree after the mint and
so none of the prizes are revealed until after the mint is complete and uh why not well why not reveal the prices i i think someone told you
already someone told you already put the prices there if you reveal the prizes before the before
the mint is complete you you know you can't you know there's no the sales are suspended until after the reveal.
You have to mint out, and then you can reveal, and the prizes will be revealed at that time.
And by the way, we had robust debate about this, didn't we, Chef?
Well, the thing is, if you reveal the metadata of the tokens at this point, people will snipe them.
the tokens at this point people will snipe them and then you you create a unfair situation
where people who are technically inclined in blockchain can go in and snipe the trades that
they want don't tell but just tell the prices not to who the prices will go to which tree
talking like this just tell what prices there are available.
Yeah.
I've listed a lot of them.
There's a post up top.
Apes don't read.
Apes don't read.
They need pictures.
Or you've got to be present in the space.
They need pictures. That's to be present in the space they need pictures that's funny that's funny yeah i'm gonna go we'll do a graphic novel that explains it all yeah there's a one how are
you hey i'm good i'm good how are you today very good everybody's doing great on the panel up here
uh thank you for allowing me to come up i just just wanted to say you're doing awesome. It's not going to happen in
one day or two days. Unless you're
five, eight and below, a lot of these collections
sometimes never mint out or take a while to mint out.
Unless you have the clout
or a bunch of friends with high clout,
it's pretty hard to get a lot of traction quick.
So you just keep doing you, brother.
And we see you.
We see you.
You're not going to please everybody.
And you shouldn't have to try.
So you just do your brother oh and uh your co-host you sound like robin quivers howard stern's uh sidekick
that's interesting yeah for sure can i say that is one of the highest compliments i've ever been given thank you thank you thank you yeah and and just on that point of clout you know um you know james is a
lead engineer at yuga labs so that carries a lot of clout. And, you know, of course, gobs and mintatars are going to fly.
You know, I, you know, another blind spot of mine was, you know, switching between two Twitter accounts in the early days of Bored Apes.
switching between two Twitter accounts in the early days of Bored Apes,
there's a lot of traction given to apes,
but I spent a lot of time promoting my art on my other account.
And so that this particular account up until about a month ago,
only had about 1500 followers.
And now it's about 5,400, I think. And, uh, you know,
like people are, you know, know me as Sandman, you'll hear people, Hey Sandman, um, because
that's, that's how they've come to know me through the ape community. And, uh, you know,
that was a blind spot of mine in 2021 and 2022 and didn't focus on building this account. all the things that I've been doing recently in the last, you know, six, eight months of when this,
all these ideas and activations started happening over the last year. But, you know,
engagement is the attention economy. And it was a blind spot of mine back then to not get on this account more and build it up.
And so that's a little blind spot.
And you live and learn and move forward.
And also, like you've been doing a fantastic job.
I see you in like tons of spaces that I'm in.
And I'm in a lot of spaces.
So, but you can give support to 100 people 24-7, but 80 or 90% of those people will never, ever reciprocate that back to you because it's just in their nature.
reciprocate that back to you because it's just in their nature.
It's a lot of human nature is, is you know,
I'm going to be on the top of the food chain and nobody's going to knock me
off that ladder. So it's,
it's very hard to find that that crowd of people that are willing to,
to share their, and I hate saying clout, um, share their,
uh, experience and, uh, what they've, what they've come up through. And because people know them so
well, use a bit of that to, to help another person out. And that's, that's very hard for some people
because they feel like they're going to look weak because they're helping somebody else.
I don't agree with it.
I think if people help you came up or helped you come up, you should maybe repay that one day.
But, yeah, 99% of the population probably will never think that way.
But that's about all I have to say.
I just love your premise of your project, Giver, buddy.
Well, thank you so much for coming and saying all of that because you're spot on.
But if you want to have a phrase that really sums this up, it's a Latin phrase,
res ipsa loquitur.
And that means the thing speaks for itself.
And actions speak louder than words is another way that people interpret that.
And when you say the thing speaks for itself, this project by joining the digiverse and putting our proof that we're really here to be of service to you and having
the royalties come back to you. We're doing anything and everything we can to try and be
the place that we want you to become our regulars, as they say in the restaurant business. We want
this to be one of your places where you're like,
I really like hanging out with those people. They're funny, they're fun, they're honest,
and they're a little bit smart, and they're always interesting to talk to,
and they always feel good to be with, and they remind me of who I am. If we've done our job the right way, you're going to be reminded of all the good things you are by being with other good people. And we've been really privileged that so many
really good people have joined us. I've been pretty hecticly busy the last few days,
but I felt my conscience and my heart told me to come over and at least offer a little bit of support to you guys, you know, giving a few things away and trying to help you out because I know how, excuse my French, fucking tough this is and how hard it is to gain that traction. to say today i just like i said i love your project um i i i i can't afford to get into a
lot of projects but i love your project and i'll support you anyway yeah and thank you so much for
the the giveaways that you did for the mentors yesterday um you know can't thank you enough for
that and just you know just showing up and and and being a part of the community. Really appreciate it.
Did we dox?
And if you're not, I appreciate it.
But have we established how close together are we in Canada?
Oh, I'm in Ontario.
I'm quite a way to do it.
On the other side of the world.
Yep.
Okay.
But we live in a fantastic country.
Glad to be a Canadian.
Elbows up.
Elbows up, brother.
Yep.
And I got a recipe with some maple syrup in it, too.
The barbacoa baka lava.
You know, which is bakaca's recipe that I created.
And, you know, it has a riff on his name and all that.
But I imagine, you know, that sweet and savory mix of barbacoa meat, you know, sort of tender and shredded meat sandwiched in between baklava,
which is the sweet Middle Eastern dessert made with honey or maple syrup and whatnot.
So, you know, the silliness of Bancho's imagination.
Okay, I'm going to pull myself back down to to listener and uh stick around thanks guys
thank you so much
well um happy saturday everybody we are getting ready to uh hit the bottom of the hour and remind everybody with this reset that this is the space for Chef
Poncho Poppins, Bored Bubblegum Machine Mint, which is now taking place. And we've heard you
loud and clear. And we will tell you that there are layers and layers of benefits to participating in this mint,
not the least of which is that as a project that's part of the Digiverse,
that you will earn a substantial percentage of the royalties as a member of a Digiverse project.
And that in addition to the chance that you're taking
to turn the crank of a gumball machine
and get the Jacopo artwork for a gumball
or a prize capsule with a prize in it,
like a G's on Ape or a Portals
or any number of other fantastic things
like a real customized gumball machine that
will be specialized just for you and sent to you. Not only will this NFT get you access to
the events that we're going to do when we go to Ape Fests
and we go to NFT NYC or Art Basel
or any number of in-person events around the world where we're convening.
And not only will you have the fun of that,
not only will you get to participate in all the things that we do,
but Chef Poncho Poppins has been thinking of you and how to make you
feel like this is special. So by using the Digiverse, we believe that it encourages you
to hold more than just a single turn of the gumball crank. And some people will just get one. And the more chances you
take to win the prizes that are embedded in the system, we have 5,555 NFTs. We have revealed so
far the 88 special prizes. We have a POAP that adds additional benefits
if you minted. Are we still in our
POAP period, Chef?
Yeah, we can
do POAPs for sure.
So can we take a screenshot
of this incredible group of people that have been
with us and sharing
so generously? Can we make sure that everybody
how do we make sure that each
of these people? Well, I need to collect wallets
so I think the easier way
is for anyone listening
and you like a POAP
and you're going to
mint a
bubblegum machine
What is the POAP?
What is this word?
Well, it's a you know po app means uh you know uh proof of participation and so so by participating it's it's like a badge yeah and so you know the thing is
like if uh you have a po app and you've minted and we can identify that wallet at a later date that you're a holder and you have the POAP as well in the same wallet, then, you know, we can give you an additional sort of reward of some kind.
Maybe, you know, and what that looks like is unknown at this point. You know,
it's like you've, we've got to take one step at a time and, and say, well,
we're going to, you know,
like we created a POEP yesterday and gave it out to people who meant it and
we're doing the same, you know, we, we,
our discussion's been so deep and intense today that it,
it kind of, we didn't focus on that but um but but the conversation that you brought was so valuable that uh you know it's
been incredible so you know what that poep as a holder looks like it could be an additional reward later down the line um so we need to send to send to
send you a dma dm write the wallet and write yeah so anyone here meaning this dms me with a wallet
and say i i was in the space and i'll i'll take a screenshot of everybody here and you know confirm
Take a screenshot of everybody here and, you know, confirm, and then you can get a POEP.
Done.
So done like that.
You know, so like we can show our appreciation at a later date for being here today and for minting.
So, you know, it's like the old saying don't over
promise and under deliver
under promise and over deliver
we're kind of good at that we're kind of good at the over deliver
yeah
yeah
you know I'm watching the DMs
that I was with you
I got something You know, I'm watching the DMs that I was with you.
I got something in the, what was it?
In the third of March from you.
It was, congrats, please not share, secret word is bubble.
And I didn't know what to do. And you write me, you missed the POAP, unfortunately,
but send the wallet put you on
a low list yeah yeah yeah because the po apps have an expiration date and if you don't act on them
uh this one that i'm sending sending out today will expire uh i think next friday so yeah but
I think next Friday.
So you have to take action.
You send this.
In the 1st of March.
What should I do with you?
Do it because you send it.
And I didn't know what to do with this.
It's like Congress.
Please do not share.
Secret world is bubble.
Okay.
And what I need to do?
Oh, well,
PoApp is an app on your phone.
You see, Jennifer?
Yeah.
You think that everyone understands what he's saying.
I hear you, brother.
I do.
Yeah.
You know, and it's just keeping up with all the DMs and all the things.
You know, yeah.
When you assume you make an ass out of you and me.
The old thing as well, right?
So maybe I assume that you knew what a POAP was, you know, being in the space.
So my apologies.
But this one will come with a direct link,
and you can just mint it from there.
But you need the PoE app.
And PoE apps were very common.
It will come with a link.
This is a little problem.
You know what people think about the links.
So the image that I sent you has a QR code.
So if you scan that back at that time,
then you get the POAP app.
And then the secret word was bubble.
So there's different ways to mint a POAP.
You can use a secret word.
You can use a secret word, you can use a link.
And because my experience that I learned from was that many people didn't understand
and I had to go back and explain that you need the PoApp app to mint the secret word.
And yeah, sometimes things fall through the cracks so yeah but it was amazing
and you give me a chance to meet them so yep there were about 65 POAPs from that
first one this is a different one which has the the gif imageIF image that's on the page for the bubblegum machine.
So it's a different POAP.
Again, anyone who's here and listening, if you send me a DM, say I'm in the space,
I'll send you that Mint link for the POAP, and you can utilize that.
Get it in your wallet. It's all on ApeChain can utilize that get it in your wallet it's all on Ape Chain
they'll show up in your wallet
and from there
you know
you cannot just send it
without a mint
without a link
because you know as I told you link
connect wallets for someone like
you say oh it's you
it's not you
right but I
did the secret word last time and that people didn't understand right but it
wouldn't be a po app then and then I've got a mint a whole token.
The time that it takes to do that is not using my time wisely as a founder.
Give Jennifer to do it.
Give Jennifer to send it.
because because because it's just that way i'm yeah it's it yeah it's like uh i if all the people
Because it's just that way. Yeah.
asking for free mints would just show up and say uh how about if i work for your discord or do you
be your collab manager for free i'd be like all over it you know but uh also it's funny people want NFTs for free
but they don't want to work for free
also discord is a good idea
in the time you know people can
yeah I have a discord
I am in your discord
it's dead
yeah
and it was set up
a month or so ago.
And it was from someone who was like,
I didn't know personally.
They said they knew what they were doing.
Believe me, if you post, I need a moderator.
I need a moderator.
I need someone.
I need someone.
Believe me, people will come for free.
Believe me, people will come for free.
Right in the Discord, in the alpha,
that you need a mod or someone that can run this Discord,
they will come.
Yeah.
Like, for me, it's very difficult to ask people to work for free.
You know, a like or retweet or whatever is one thing,
but I'm a true believer in getting paid for work done,
and I'm not in a position to create a paid position at this point.
Don't pay.
You know, you will give him some, you know, a collection,
and it's okay some you know a collection and then it's okay you know you know
it's not it's not cost cost you to post a request you know who want to to be in our opinion no you
have a name use your name don't be shy yeah but but at the same time you know just putting out a
blank request like that to the web3 community and you get responses from someone that you're not familiar with.
You make a conversation.
You give them sort of balls.
Right.
But it's like interviewing and all that.
But the most sophisticated of scammers know how to play that role.
And I want to know who's on my team.
I want to have met them IRL even.
It's a difficult thing or at least spent enough time with them that the trust is established.
And it's a difficult position to hire someone that you don't know especially with discord you know it's like
um not being familiar with setting up a discord and then giving trust to someone to run it and
then all of a sudden you get a scam link in there. I've seen hundreds of collections get, you know, like...
I'm sure your collection will...
I'm sure that your friends in the space can recommend you.
Some people that like to be a moderator, that love to see 24-7, they can recommend you
and then you can be more sure.
Yeah.
All in due time.
Use your name.
Your name is a fortune.
Use your name.
Absolutely.
I don't know. Do we have any other people that want to come up and speak or um or we um is it about time to wind this down what do you think jennifer
i'm not one to ever end a party but i love going out on a high note as well. And I think we've really given everybody a lot to think about.
We've had a really magnificent conversation.
There's a lot to think about today.
And you and I will go and have our own conversation.
And imagine how we can make things even better.
And rather than be defensive and say no what you're saying
isn't true you know the reality is when your friends come to you and tell you that you know
you uh you have some spinach on your tooth or a lipstick on your tooth or you know toilet paper
on your shoe you have to say thank you very much Only a friend will tell you the thing that's hard to say.
And we today learned that...
You're telling me I got toilet paper on my shoe.
Yeah, but you know what?
We have a lot of friends that will tell us that we've got lipstick on our teeth.
And that we need to think about what we're about with something. What are we with some amiss, a lie, less than?
And I think that the takeaway today is the word gratitude.
That we're so grateful that you spent this time with us.
I know I'm enormously grateful for this time, for the wisdom that was shared, for the perspective that was shared, but for the fact that you cared enough to say something.
To me, that is enormously, enormously communicative of the fact that you care and that you're here and how lucky we are that that's the case.
I'm grateful.
So thank you.
Who's behind the Grateful Ape?
Grateful Ape is...
Maybe you can say something a little bit,
then we can close.
Well, it's quite late.
He's in Europe,
and I'm sure he's just kind of listening in.
You want to come up, Grateful, for a minute? Just say hello?
He's shy.
I gave him an invite.
And by the way, Grateful is one of the best hosts of spaces.
of spaces and if I'm not mistaken we've just come full circle with more than
360 of these community conversations. We have 51,000 followers. You know how much is it? It's crazy.
Yeah well you know and it's well it's well deserved it's well earned yeah he's hosted spaces
two or three times a week for since uh i don't know like i think he's got close to 400 episodes
or something i couldn't tell you it like uh but i've been a part of theateful family for a long time. Met him first IRL in Art Basel back in, I think, 2022,
down in Miami.
And he came to my art show.
You know, we've seen each other at Ape Fest and other things since.
And, you know, he's just an incredible uh you know
person and uh yeah i can see like really you know and i'm going to use the word
leader leaders aren't just people who make the rules in reality reality, leaders are the citizens who show up and act in a way that
demonstrates where we all want to go and leads the way. And there's a real leadership that comes
from doing this without judgment, with the most inclusive welcoming and hospitality that
anybody does on these spaces. And nobody's made to feel unwelcome if you're not innate. Nobody's
made to feel unwelcome if you're brand new to the world of Web3. There's something that has to be
authentic to the person that says, I'm really happy to host this,
and I'm really happy to welcome you. And that's the essence of what happens. And then it takes
on the personality and the fun and the giggles, you know, and the sports loving. And, you know,
loving and you know uh as i was as i was watching tatum drain threes last night i actually was
thinking about how much we all love talking about what's going on in the world of sports but all of
that is is a relationship that is born of someone saying hey come on over do you want to sit next
to me here today in the cafeteria at lunch?
And invite you over to feel welcome.
I want to wish, maybe grateful, and write a post like he wrote,
vala, minted my vala.
Maybe he can write a post also, minted my bubble gum.
Congrats. Maybe he can also post also, minted my bubblegum. Congrats. Maybe he can help us also, help you.
I'm sure he will.
But just a little back story.
I met Grateful in Art Basel Miami.
He came to my art show, which I mentioned earlier.
And that was the first time we met IRL.
But we, you know, he's got the grateful family and he's been an ape since the very beginning.
He minted that beautiful pink ape on the atrocious aquamarine background, but I still love him and uh you know we've had you know shared countless hours of spaces as he's been a regular
host for for years uh doing a couple spaces a week uh his partners in that uh beast and uh
tino forbidden um you know we're all collectively on the william Williamsburg wall created by the artist Masna, a graffiti artist who started this wall in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, which is my stomping grounds.
And it's right down the street from another apes coffee shop called Lion's Milk.
And Izzer is a really great guy as well and uh but this uh
this nft wall started off with uh i think masna got a crypto punk and and uh crypto painter and
painted their portrait on the wall and a doggo at start. And then it started expanding and expanding.
And the walls, you know, it's got Betty from Dead Fellas.
It's got all kinds of crypto punks.
And, you know, it's a landmark.
It's on Google Maps.
You can just go to the Williamsburg NFT wall, click on it and see Poncho right there on the corner.
Williamsburg NFT wall, click on it and see Poncho right there on the corner.
And he's holding up his little coffee mug with a big GM right on the corner.
And, you know, there's Kodas and Jennifer and I's really good friend Food Masku, who does the food masks.
His image is on there and countless others it's grown it you know
Masna did a larger portraits of different punks and apes and doggos and
and a different nft collections and and has filled it up and continues to work
on it to fill the spaces up and it's a permanent mural right there in Brooklyn.
And, you know, I send people there.
I post the picture of it occasionally.
And it's right there on Google Maps.
And so, you know, we're part of that whole community on the wall.
And Tino created an A ape street gallery in the Czech Republic where Poncho lives on the wall there with many other apes posted.
You know, so we're, you know, globally connected.
And it's just, you know, as as we all build, we get to know each other and form relationships.
And back in those early days, there's in 2021, an old, old friend of mine of probably, well, 30 years now.
I met him in 1995. 1995 he's a founder of lapping squid which is an arts and culture uh web hosting and uh
well like arts list from san francisco and uh he moved to new york shortly after i did
and when the nft boom came he formed the non-fungible social club so
came, he formed the Non-Fungible Social Club.
So everyone in the New York area
that was available and
the founder of the Non-Fungible
Social Club is largely networked
into the Web1 world.
The Craigslist, the jack dorsey's the you know all the other
sort of uh characters uh that built from silicon valley because we lived in the bay area
and uh so he's uh i call him the greatest networker that i ever have known and he would
form these little social hours and we'd go to a
bar and share drinks. And, and, uh, that's where I met Masna and Izzer and so many other great
people. And, uh, it was very active. It was a monthly get together and I would drive a hundred
miles to go to it. Um, just recently I attended another one of his gatherings and I met someone who
is a developer for Pixel Vault. And by the way, Chef, earlier Guy was asking about whether IRL
was important and in listening to you right now, you're reminding us of all the ways that IRL
is important for relationship building. And in particular, not just as a reward,
everything that you're describing is how you've been cooking, how you've been grinding. Because
all of these day-to-day-to-day activities that you do in support of the greater community
have helped build a community, not just doing it because it would reward you.
And I think that in telling us this story, we're hearing names that we recognize
and that additional layers of credibility are being forged.
you know, that additional layers of credibility are being forged.
But what's most important is the fact that all,
for all of these people is about hearing how committed you are to do this.
I'm going to say back in the old, we're all going to make it days,
but that we were going to do it together and that there's a real,
I'll do my part narrative here. Camaderie and and conviviality you
know sharing a drink sharing a meal um you know we uh you know scott would uh you know host these
things and he wanted to have food so he would drop a a pizza token uh and you know for you know host these things and he wanted to have food so he would drop a a pizza token uh you know
for you know chipping in for everyone to eat at these things so we'd mint the pizza token and then
have you know new york pizza delivered and uh to a bar that didn't serve any food and we have a
you know social event for five or six hours. And, you know, I would meet, you know, like he's so networked.
He'd have people in, you know, like not for NFT NYC or whatever.
There would be a big one then.
But there were people that came or were in New York at the time that were from all parts of the country, um, that he was connected to. Um,
many of you probably know Drew Barman who is heavily involved with the
moon birds community. Um,
he would show up and he lives in the Midwest. Uh,
another guy came in from Ohio and like, you know,
because these were such valuable experiences to just have a night of
drinks and stuff and and uh and then when nft nyc came around then the you know the party would have
you know 100 people uh you know in the in the space and you know on a normal sort of monthly thing it would be 20 to 30 but um we'd
get you know much more attendance uh around those larger you know conferences and uh yeah amazing
you know and the uh you know valued relationships are built over time and you know that IRL locks it in I know I hold grateful dear to my heart since you know I always thought he was very special for hosting the spaces but after I met him for the first time IRL I knew he was a keeper and going to be a friend for life so that So that's about all I can say.
Shall we close it up?
You know what?
We are so close to the top.
Yeah, I think it's time.
It's right at 5 o'clock.
Five-year broadcast, I have to say.
We're getting a wave.
Can we?
We're going to try one more time.
Oh, he left.
He's waving goodbye.
He's waving goodbye.
Yeah, no, I think this is awesome uh thank you all so much and with that um if you have not minted and if we haven't if we haven't informed you in a way that allows you to see that
this is right for you and you want to keep joining us in these kinds of of conversations and meals and ventures.
I would invite you to come back again.
It's really lovely to have you here.
And we are still in our POAP phase.
So if you haven't DM'd us about getting the POAP
to go along with the Mint today, please do so.
And Poncho, I just want to say thank you this has really been
a grand adventure yeah totally and uh you know anyone that dms can get the po app but the po
app is not going to be much of use unless you also hold the bubble gum machine in your wallet
um so uh appreciate you all for being here. Lively discussion.
Lots of great points made. I really thank Guy for bringing
the hard questions
and so
appreciate that we're building
this community in a real positive
flow and
learning every day how to
do it better. It takes those
tough questions to do it better.
Everybody needs good people around them to point out the blind spots that we have and you know move forward you know
we all make mistakes and it's how you recover from them account hold accountability for yourself for
them and you know shake it off like water on a duck's back and, uh, start the new day
with, uh, you know, fresh vision to, uh, to be better. And, uh, you know, I think that's a vision
we all need for the world, uh, in so much conflict and hunger and other things around the world,
uh, that we can take something positive out there and really make
something of a difference. So appreciate you all. And any last words, Jennifer?
And with that, it's another turn of the crank here at the Board Bubblegum Machine
Mint Party on Spaces. Thank you all so much bye bye bye
