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BUILD w HEMP = Industrial Revolution, Manufacturing & Jobs 🧱🧱🌿🌿🌿👷👷🏽♂️
Recorded: April 13, 2025 Duration: 3:13:33Space Recording
Short Summary
The Natural Build Guild is spearheading a movement towards sustainable construction with hemp, showcasing partnerships and educational initiatives that highlight the growing interest in hemp as a viable building material. Upcoming workshops and collaborations with institutions like Texas A&M aim to further promote the benefits of hemp in construction, signaling a significant trend in the industry.
Full Transcription
A fire burns for freedom A fire burns for freedom
The smell of dissent is high Standing for the truth
Too long it's been denied. The tide of change is rising.
Let hope to realize.
Unchained his wings.
Let angels fly.
I see emphries forever growing wild and free.
I see marijuana trees blowing in
my breeze
I see hemp fields forever
growing wild and
free
wild and free
a crime against nations
A war is waged
There's a message in the wind
For every race
Peace and love whistle
So let us grow
It's good for the body
It's good for the soul Yes. Soul Sunday. Good morning, family. How's everyone doing?
You see what I see?
Welcome, welcome.
Reshare the space, please.
Woo! Good morning, good morning, hamsters!
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!
Yes!
You're in the right place.
Let's get a few more people in here.
Bless up, bless up. Happy Sunday, family. Oh, I see hemp fields forever growing wild and free.
Yeah, wild and free.
Blessings on blessings.
Yes.
If you're here, you're part of the Hemp Revolution.
We're here to share knowledge and truth.
Please reshare this space.
We'll get started here in a few minutes.
A crucified Savior.
To save your face.
Demonizing nature.
Our saving grace.
Want to get a couple more people in the space before we start.
Reshare the space, please.
The herbs of the feed.
Happy Sunday.
What's up, fam?
Fire, fire, freedom. What up, what up, what up?
What up, what up?
What up, what up?
Yes.
What up, what up, what up?
Who's fired up this morning?
Blessed up, blessed up.
What up, what up?
Good morning, Harry.
What up, what up, what up? Driving right now? Good morning, Harry.
Driving right now?
Good morning, yeah.
Yeah, so... Welcome, everyone.
Good morning, good morning.
We made it another week.
Yes.
Another week of hemp growing around the world.
This is a growing movement.
And it cannot be stopped.
We're here for freedom.
For healing.
For a future of living in harmony with Mother Earth.
Yes, God bless.
We'll get started here.
You are listening to the Natural Build Guild on X Spaces.
We're here live every Sunday.
So make sure to set that alert so that you get alerts when, or set that reminder for our spaces so you get those alerts.
Please reshare this space. It's really important that, you know, we we reach'm the lady behind the curtain here. The Real Ganja Queen is my
other account. And again, I am here with your incredible host, Harry Hemp. Follow him,
Harry Hemp3. Oh, we're getting fancy with this sound effects. That's great. We always have the most incredible guests and panel here every Sunday.
We're very organic in the sense that usually we don't have a necessarily scheduled agenda of topics per se.
We really love to hear from you, the listeners, our guild. This is a
beautiful space, open source information for anyone who wants to learn more about natural
building, specifically with hemp. That's what we love to talk about in here. Hemp has really made quite a comeback in the last couple decades
as an alternative, natural resource for us to access, to really build the homes and structures
of the future. And Harry gets into that in this space. If you have questions, once we've kind of gotten through our
initial introduction and whatnot, we'll gladly bring people up to ask questions. And here today,
we want to talk specifically probably about some of the news and latest headlines. I know these tariffs have been kind of making a lot of people nervous,
but there's some interesting ripple effects, I think,
that we need to consider as a community and, you know,
recognizing that we are a very nascent industry
and really trying to gain the traction and get our critical mass to the point where there's no stopping this snowball now.
And I think we're really going to reach or maybe we've already kind of reached that pinnacle here this year.
The number of projects and workshops that are happening around the country, around the globe are just magnificent.
We've seen a real rebirth and real increase in interest from not just the building and homesteading or naturalist community,
naturalist community, but now with developers and more the real estate industry, and as
we see, construction and housing is another hot topic these days.
So without further ado, I'm going to hand the mic over to Harry and welcome everyone
to the Natural Build Guild here on Twitter, formerly Twitter, sorry, Xspaces.
Harry, how's it going?
What up?
Well, thank you for that introduction.
You got me all fired up for sure.
I am doing all right.
I'm heading back east to go back to one of the first hemp projects that I worked on.
It's called the Hempstead.
Fun fact, I also grew up in the town of hempstead on long island and um you know obviously that just goes to show what
what what it impacted wow i didn't know that
yeah so cool there's a um there's meaning in our names.
I really believe it's called right on Long Island.
Yeah.
So it's, you know, it's it's everywhere.
It was everywhere.
So it's it's exciting to be in the forefront with you guys to really bring it back and
show, you know, bring it back and make have know have it highlighted more more now than ever um
you know there's so much stuff going on noco is going on right now i think maybe it just ended up
forgot what the days were going on but you know i heard there's a lot more people just solely
focused on industrial side which you know that's where i know, to say, but don't get me wrong.
I'm a huge cannabis supporter of the planet completely, but I understand the rules and regulations of bullshit and bureaucracy that needs to go on.
We did see the HB28 and the SB3 in Austin, I believe that is getting stopped.
They were trying to take control which
you know they should keep their hands off of it but we need to also come together and you know
have have the language and because you know there there needs to be guidelines and archives that
we set forth you know it's standard operation procedures of you know
they we have it in our company and we need it as an industry too so that's what we were working on
this week um you know i'm just leaving mason texas i left last night started driving all
throughout the night so you know that that little speech in the beginning fired me up more than the coffee, so I'm running off very minimal sleep.
You know, I always like to, well, I feel like I'm always busy, so I got an appointment Monday at 9, so hopefully I make it there.
But yeah, we've been pumping out some blocks for our training in Virginia that we're having in May.
So, you know, if you haven't heard about that, definitely look into that where the Roman Empire Building Supply Company,
where, you know, it's Darren and I and Paul have teamed up to bring the best building, you know, methods and like the way
we see it getting mainstream, you know, between Darren straight starting as a natural builder and
me coming from conventional between, you know, we, we fucking butt heads all the time because
there's the conventional and natural building that we're putting into marriage.
So, you know, there's a lot of do's and do nots.
And that's the tricky thing to navigate through.
hempcrete being adapted into the irc you know matching it with conventional builds because
there is going to be failure and there has been failure already so that's where we pride ourselves
here at the national build guild and you know we encourage everyone to share um you know, what we talk about here and what we're here for,
because education is what the next step to really being a global impact is,
is educating people, because once they become educated on this,
it's clear and factual that this is the superior wall system.
And, you know, these hemp homes will last hundreds of years
and save you thousands of hundreds of thousands of dollars of repairs
throughout the lifetime of the build.
So, you know, looking at it as economic value,
as back to the farmers, back to the builders,
you know, we love building with it and you know we're building stuff
that's timeless and again i told i say i come from the conventional building tiles bathroom
and kitchen work is what i what you know my bread and butter was so tile work i think is endless as
you know timeless as well and um yeah welcome everyone yeah my voice is obviously going out anyone has
any questions you know about the block machine or what we're pumping out there
16 inches by 14 and a half by three and a half so these have been designed for a three-block system.
Interior center stud framing, 16-inch on center, so you still have that structure there. And then you lay the blocks down 16 inches lateral, and then pretty much as a block wall there,
you want to split the gap and just go up the wall
with mortar and brick ties and then do that on the interior as well and as you're going up you
could dry fit another block in or we've been working on another formula for just a dry infill
which um obviously would have a superior r value because then you
would have that nice thermal mass on the exterior the cushy flow you know infill in between the
studs that is nice and airy and then you have the nice thermal mass interior, hard walls. These, we did shoot at it.
So we, it did go through our 10 inch block where this block did have a couple freezes during its secure time.
So it's a flawed test.
You know, I was just excited.
So I wanted to shoot at it.
But it went through 10 inches and just bounced off the other side.
And I got the bullet, too, so it's cool.
You know, it's not ready for the world to see, I don't think.
But, you know, you guys obviously are family, so you guys got to know what we're doing.
So you guys got to know what we're doing. So that was really exciting.
So that was really exciting.
This is the unit that we're building as the structural hemp block unit, which.
All right. Now going off. So those blocks that we're making is for that training, which is for that's where we see fit best for you know as far as being builders being on the ground
and the mode to be efficient because obviously we travel and being able to travel somewhere
with our blocks you know or have them delivered and install and be able to plaster relatively immediately, it really helps us.
And then, you know, there has been failures with cast in place and, you know,
spraying for curing.
So this is where we control the curing process.
So we know our block is going out hard as fuck and ready to go and we've been
working on formulas and stuff playing with different poslans which i think is really fun
you know i again i wish i never dropped chemistry in high school i could i could uh i'm trying to
teach myself now and you know i got great mentors out there and, you know, I try to teach what I learn to you guys and you guys teach me.
So I, again, huge fan of that education and our married system of hemp blocks, the Roman hemp block 3.5 is what we're calling them.
But, let me get some water.
We are doing the build with our structural hemp blocks, which will be a sauna.
It's just a little 8x8 footprint.
It's pretty much a proof of concept.
We're doing a rubble trench.
We did a 12-inch stem wall concrete, and then stacking the blocks right on top of that um we did we did do
a thick mortar joint like on the bottom so we didn't technically put any uh
uh moisture barrier because we're gonna we're gonna test this ourselves we're gonna flood it torch it shoot at it so that's this is
our proof of concept build and we're gonna make it into a sauna as well so
it's gonna be a barrel vaulted roof so now there's gonna be no framing by maybe
the window but the roof is gonna be completely made out of our hemp blocks so if
anyone doesn't know what a barrel vault roof is i'll look into it um look at some pictures
it they're beautiful um and then obviously using all one material the thing that we will have to do is come up with like a really hydroscopic line plaster to finish the top because obviously that's one of, you know, pretty much one of the designs differences with hemp cream is, you know, you want to have that extended roof overhang and now we're having no roof at all. So, ooh, you know, oh, shit. But with the right plaster and the right application,
it's going to be achievable.
So, again, this is our proof of concept build for a sauna
with our structural blocks, which I truly think and I know it will be revolutionary.
It will be eliminating the framing and be able to truly get affordable housing affordable again.
I'm talking about slashing the prices up to 100% like yeah I don't want to get too too too ahead of myself but
really we'll we'll be looking at building around a hundred dollars a square foot um and that that's
with labor too so materials and labor building a you know with again with luxury products and luxury finishes because clay and lime plasters
are luxury finished they are superior to latex you know we all know that uh definitely have an
article out there about that which is definitely a good read and i suggest it um because and that's
again no i'm glad I fucking brought that up because
that is something we could start getting into our homes right now. We can go over shitty drywall
and latex paint with our lime plasters and clay plasters and even add hemp into
our, our, you know, base plasters.
I like it at the finish, too, so, like, you actually get to see the hemp flakes and stuff.
But, you know, that's our low-hanging fruit as far as natural builders.
So, like, that's obviously something we've been thinking about constantly is, you know, how to get this more, how to get us employed more.
Because obviously, again, we're traveling everywhere to get to work on these jobs and stuff.
So to be able to be centralized in one location, you know, starting to pump in these natural plasters is at least getting our foot in the door and starting that
starting that conversation so once the conversation started you know the interest is there
again you know the the knowledge is out there obviously what you're sharing about it it's a
no-brainer and it it is going to take time and just time and consistency.
And, you know, I know we've all been patient already,
so patience is something that we've built up,
and we need to continue to practice that.
But, you know, at the same time, be aggressive as a puck
and shove it down their throat and say, hey, this shit is killing us.
This is killing you. You are getting sick. These are factual things that are,
you know, here are all the facts, which that's, again, you know, part of the journey is figuring
that out. I'm obviously not a marketer or salesman. Um, I, I like to build, so I'd like to,
obviously that's my hobby, but, um, right. And let, you know, we can remind anyone who,
who may not realize or, or, or know that, you know, the reason we're so, you might feel or think obsessed with hemp is because if you're not growing hemp, you're food and energy insecure as a society.
encourage the use and utilization of all natural products, especially when sourcing,
if it's close and available, that is the essence of sustainability, of course. But
on the grand scale of things, the reason we're so passionate about moving hemp specifically
forward as an industry is because it is the only crop on the planet right
now that we as a species being threatened with survival it's the only crop that we can we can
get and extract from the same harvest we can get food and energy and then we've got all that, you know, the waste product is essentially, you know,
this is the discussion context, I guess, for anyone who's new to the space. That's all.
Here's where we really love to dive in and explore what can we do with this plant. And
that's what we're talking about here. Harry is doing some incredible things
with the clay finishes and really, you know, exploring natural mortars and how we can,
you know, I'd love to hear more about that too, Harry, what you've been doing with the fines you and Melissa were talking about.
Oh yeah, we tested out some different water recipes to use the hemp dust.
And at first, working in Texas with lime is a little difficult, you know, just with the flash cure in the Texas sun.
But, yeah, I just want to, before I, I want to double down on that, Milan, because, you
know, we are the Natural Build Guild, and we're all here because of industrial hemp,
you know, and that opened the door for me, at least,
into natural building and understanding, you know, the plastering is going to be a never-ending
journey. Even just natural building in total is a never-ending journey because it's going to be
different at every single location you go to. But to be able to build anything within, you know,
be able to build anything within, you know, your local area is really what our objective
is, is to have these co-ops, these farm co-ops to, number one, put some, that industrial
hemp in the soil to remediate the soil because Santo and these companies have been given
them, they call it technology.
They don't even call it seeds.
Farmers call it technology because they're patent formulas of synthetic bullshit that are grown.
So that means that we... There's always the toxic mimic.
It's fair.
We poison our soils.
Right.
And hemp goes in to remediate that and has an endless end use of products.
Building, obviously we're here because I love building.
And building is obviously a trillion-dollar industry, and the hemp plant has and will infiltrate multiple trillion-dollar industries.
And that's what the agenda is behind Reaper Madness and the lobbying against it is because it's going to interfere again trillion dollar fucking
industries 10 of them at least i have on a list um and so that we're gonna be able to
give that industry to local farmers starting off in communities so that
that money is not going to be going to other
countries offshore bank houses it's going directly back into our community and it's going into our
conscious thought of health with us living inside these homes and you know us as builders working
you know there's definitely pbe to be, working with the lime and mixes and stuff, which, again, with these blocks, that's what we're trying to avoid.
I know we still got to do mortar and stuff with these style blocks, but, you know, we're really just focused on the most efficient way and most disturbing way to disturb the market of building to make it so simple that no contractor or builder will say, no, that's too difficult for me to do.
Because if that's the case with these systems that we're coming out with, you know, you shouldn't be a contractor.
I was trying to find a video of Sergei's workshop in Ukraine with all the kids.
Did you see that video?
Oh, my gosh.
Talk about that's what I want to see in my feed.
I mean, I just got so charged and just lifened by watching that. It was so
beautiful. All these kids, you know, with the little
tampers.
Is there a
specific word for that tool?
It's like a square
block on the end of a stick.
A 2x4 tamper.
A tamper?
Yeah, which I think I made
a post about a while ago,
connected it to a Sawzall, one-handed Sawzall,
and epoxy in it.
Like, that makes a very good tamper.
There's a product idea, though.
I'm not a post.
You hear that, folks?
I mean, someone could really probably make a killing
just coming up with a product like that right now.
So many ideas in
here i'm telling you i swear every sunday we're throwing out million dollar business ideas all day
in here yeah i mean if if i'm not building with hemp but you are we're all winning and that's the
name of the game you know if if personal greed wants to come in the way
i think you know the the hemp the sea of green will grow too tall to for you know what one
thing to be you know pointed out and that's that's the beauty of the farming um and that's
also why you don't need any the herbicides herbicides and pesticides to kill off the weeds because the hemp plant grows so fast.
It is the herbicide.
And it's that seed of green.
that, you know, isn't infected by, I know that Wade has shared about the spider mites
being in like the first 10, 15 feet of the field, but nothing in the middle, which, you know, it's
a living field. It's God's protection layer, just like we have our skin as it's talking to this earth. And, you know, I know you guys feel energy. Like, it's not
a crazy thing to say. And if you have not experienced a hemp home, staying a night in a
hemp home or, you know, even touched it or felt the coolness of it.
You know, you feel that energy,
and it gives off high frequencies of love and power.
But that's something we noticed when making the blocks.
When we have them inside of the third bay in the garage and inside the garage is like 20 degrees cooler than i wish i had the thermometer with me um
i'll show you the picture that got me at work laying down sickening but i do to pull off to get gas real quick. You know, you mentioned something.
I can throw something out there and then I'd love to say from this past week's Cash Bash in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
That's a pretty much legacy event now that's been happening for a long time up there in Michigan.
in Michigan. Um, but there was a performer, um, that had an actual cannabis plant and the,
the cannabis plant, uh, now they're with the use of electrodes, they connected. I don't know if
you guys have ever seen like other videos with plants and mushrooms, quote unquote singing.
quote-unquote singing.
Oh, yeah.
They connect the electrodes.
Yes.
So the hemp or the cannabis plant performed at Hashbash.
They had it connected to these electrodes,
and it literally sings and changes.
They realized the frequencies emitting from the plant were very dynamic. It was not like
a steady, I don't, anyway, my point is, is that Texas Hempstock, the guy that's got that setup is
coming to do it there at Texas Hempstock. And I'm almost curious if, maybe there's someone that's got that setup is coming to do it there at Texas Hemp Stock.
And I'm almost curious if maybe there's someone that's done it already and there's videos out there.
If anyone knows of it, please share with the group.
I'm curious.
But I think it'd be interesting to see what the frequencies are emitting from the hemp creek.
from the uh hemp creek um and see like you know test that compare it to a regular cinder block or
what have you because you know we're as we're finding out more and more these these frequencies
are are uh really key to a lot of things right um i i won't divulge but let but let's try to do that. I want to do that with some of the R&D.
We're going to be, Natural Gold Guild's going to be.
Oh, we need the frequency.
Yeah, go ahead.
We did get the EMF tester.
You know how you share about the EMF tester.
Yes, yes, that's what I'm, yeah.
It came in last night.
We got to do that at Texas Hempstock, too.
We have to do all these tests and get footage, you know. So please, everyone, if you're able to join us in May 24th and 25th outside of Austin, 15 minutes outside Austin, Texas, in Weberville, Texas.
It's beautiful.
Yeah, it's got some incredible, like, this is the spot to be, I think we're, I think there's a lot happening that we're going to be having like more of an actual community year round kind of thing there.
I think that's what it's shaping out to be with the partnerships and everything, the collaborations that are happening.
happening. We've got Texas A&M now, the lead, some of the lead researchers, you know, that are doing
these incredible studies at A&M and Texas Tech, certainly leading and pioneering the way in a lot
of the things that we talk about here. So those folks are going to be joining us this May at Texas Temp Stock.
But Natural Build Guild is going to be hosting the Builders Corner,
where we're going to be doing some, you know, workshops and presentations.
Harry's going to be there.
We're going to have some, you know, DIY, come get messy and try your own tamping and whatnot.
We're going to have some, you know, DIY.
So we'd love to have involvement and volunteers and any of you listening that can make it out there and can help us organize that particular activation for the event would be really appreciated because I'm going to be
busy, you know, juggling two other plates that I'm, you know, helping the event with.
But, and also we need, just in general, we need volunteers. We're still taking speakers. If anyone
wants to speak that's listening, you're more than welcome to
put in that request or that application, fill out that form. I would say almost every single
person in this room is the caliber of, you know, someone I'd love to have speak. So, you know,
any of you listening, please, you know, reach out, come be part of that.
There's some really exciting things happening. Harry, I got to tell you, I can't tell it to the room yet, but we'll know for sure this week. So maybe we could announce it in a week or two,
but I have some really exciting news to tell you as well regarding some of the potential partners
that we're pulling in for that property. It's over a hundred acre
property. The Colorado River runs through it. It's indigenous owned. He is on board completely
with the hemp and cannabis community. We're going to be planting two acres at the event,
variety of industrial seeds, and they have a five-year contract. So this is locked in. I mean,
this event's only going to grow. And like I said, we're, you know, there's going to be things year
round happening there. You know, smaller groups and projects. And again, we've got that academic
presence now that's going to really, I think, kick things up a notch. So please get connected with us.
Be part of that.
We're making history.
And again, Hempstock was founded by Jack Herrer and Paul Stanford in 2005.
Jack Herrer, rest in peace.
We refer to him as the emperor.
him as the, uh, emperor, he really, uh, laid a lot of the foundational teaching and research that,
um, the, his generation, um, had been, you know, lied to just like many of us, uh, growing up,
you know, we're never taught about the rich, uh, cannabis history that is embedded and foundational to the birth of our country.
And just so much of the real intentions of securing and protecting our natural freedoms
was so connected to the hemp seed.
So I encourage everyone, you know,
if you don't know, start educating yourself
because this is what we need to share
with our lawmakers, our policy makers,
the people that are really, you know,
affecting the future of the industry.
And we've got to get vocal.
We've got to get active. And again, we get, um, active. And again, we're,
we are getting active. We're not asking for permission. We're planting two acres. Um,
I'm probably not supposed to say all that, but, um, that does not reflect the, um, thoughts or
opinions of, uh, Texas hemp stock. That is just my opinion, but essential civilian demand is, you know,
what Paul von Hartman has definitely spent plenty of time teaching us all about. And
that's what we're doing. So join us May 24th and 25th. I'll post some links in the chat.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be so long winded, but that project's really growing.
And I think we're, we're seeing more than just an event happening there. That's all. There's
going to be a lot of really important connections and, and introductions and conversations had there.
So please reach out, join us, be part, there's camping, you know, and we'll, I can, I'll reach out to Michael or Justin if, you know, you, or you can even, you know, put it in your application form.
If you might need accommodations for camping or staying overnight, you really want to make it, you can help out in this way, but you need help with this, da, da, da. Put that in your, you know, put that in your, um, application form.
Tell us the situation. We're very grassroots right now, very open to ideas and, you know,
figuring out a way to make it, make it work for everyone. So come be part. Okay. Harry,
Come be part. Okay. Harry, did you get your gas?
No, that was fucking perfect. Um, I'm just, I'm just getting back on the highway now. Um,
quick, quick little pit stop. Um, yeah, the type of the, where it's at is absolutely beautiful. I
got to check it out and we will be building there um i'll be building a hemp throne
so you know you come in and sit on the hempcrete and feel the energy as we you know as we're
talking about it so that's going to be awesome and then really you know i'm obviously i i like to
say i'm artistic um and then I have these ideas.
Obviously, we're building this to burn it down kind of thing with the song I said.
But with being in that scene, we're going to be building a statue eventually. I won't give all that away,
but we will be building a castle there. Texas will have a hemp castle made out of our Roman
hemp blocks and specifically our structural blocks,
which will be even more badass.
So that being said, it's definitely a great community to be part of.
And I would definitely see if you get there.
volunteer help you know steven i know we talked about it and you might be getting there
Volunteer help.
You know, Stephen, I know we talked about it and you might be getting there.
and you know speaking about steven that that made me just think about the goss block um which is
insanely dense um you know we definitely think that's a structural block to be
to be built with and you know the bag you know, if no one doesn't know,
is the sugar waste from the sugar cane industry.
So there's, you know, fibers in it, sticky stuff, and alcohol.
Stephen, I don't know if you have time to talk.
Maybe you should talk a little bit more of what's in the bagasse.
talk a little bit more of what's in the magas and you know i can't believe it's not hemp blocks
And, you know, I can't believe it's not hemp blocks.
because again natural building is being able to source your local material and you know
the guys the sugar waste is going somewhere so um now everywhere needs new homes. We're never going to stop building new.
And at the end of the day, we need to rebuild the units that have already been built today.
So it doesn't stop building brand new.
We need to go in and also fix all the bullshit that has been built already.
And, no, that being said, that's something way...
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or maybe off from 5G, sometimes, I don't know, mess with your settings. But Steven,
mess with your settings but steven um steven's here hi
we've been chatting anyone want to come up and say anything and say hi how their week was and
no one hey how you doing what's up brother hey melanne how you doing harry hello wade hello everybody um well i'm glad you tested the
glad you you were able to manufacture the block and the bagasse block i can't believe it's not
hemp and yeah um use what you have local and there's a lot of bagasse ways all over the world so
have local and there's a lot of bagasse ways all over the world so like you said a lot of houses
have to be built growing hemp is possibly the best thing that you can do but if you're not able to
because unfortunately now you know we still have regulations people are afraid of THC blah blah
etc which I love that hemp stock is happening again the way. So hopefully we'll be able to make it there.
And yeah, whatever we can help with Texas,
because it's crazy that out of all the places
where it would come back to be, it would be in Texas.
But it seems to me that that's the place.
Oh, I believe it's divine.
I really do.
It's a great vibe, you know, especially with the whole,
I really appreciate the whole thca
thing that they did in texas that um you have a lot of like wellness centers that
sell technically it's it's hemp flower you know by law but um by definition you know thc doesn't
exist on the plant it's only thca you actually have to heat it
up so they're not selling anything illegal which i find is one of the greatest things that could
have happened to the law and you can find some amazing flower in texas in different wellness
centers and it's very crazy to find they have this place in austin right in the middle of
And it's very crazy to find they have this place in Austin right in the middle of we have like these springs and
The water comes out and you have like the paid place where you have it the free place
And it's crazy because it's one of the few parts in the world that we've been to
You know, you have people from all over the world. There's people from the US. There's Mexicans, there's Venezuelans
There's Russians
There's Moroccans. There's peopleenezuelans there's russians there's moroccans there's
people from everywhere everybody's got their own system everybody's smoking everybody's got
a beer in hand and nobody's fighting and nobody's dwelling nobody's bothering each other so
the fact that these kind of mentalities are now happening in tex It's, I don't know, it's fantastic.
So hence the adoption of hempcrete, sugarcrete,
any biocrete, do you know?
Really what Harry's pushing forward, it's amazing
because that's how people used to build before in domes.
And you can make non-structural elements
become structural,
just like they did with a lot of the buildings
back in the day in the US and many parts of the world.
So yeah, bagasse to us is,
it's nowhere close to as sustainable as hemp,
because first of all, bagasse,
a lot of it is grown in a very toxic manner with a lot of
Glyphosate it still is an industry that code goes back you can David date it back to slavery and
The way they were set up it was let's just call it
It wasn't the most sustainable thing for nature for humans
But up to now unfortunately people
consume sugar like crazy now there's two ways of obtaining sugar one of them is sugarcane the other
one is sugar beet sugar beet actually grows in the cold sugar cane will only grow in when it
pretty much inside the tropics and where you have a lot of water hence why it used
to grow a lot in texas but now with the weather moving um it seems to be that this was the last
sugarcane crop that that was that was had there so the mill's shutting down and everything's
shutting down and they're moving the sugar production more to the north to the sugar beat because
there's a shit ton sorry a lot more water in minnesota and all these borders by canada but
anyways places like mexico places like india that have a billion people and are still growing and
they need housing places like brazil brazil just per year grows like 500 million tons of bagasse
that the only thing that they do with it is burn it but every year now and they
burn it basically to power their systems every year people are becoming more
sustainable you have solar power so there's mountains and mountains and
mountains of bagasse the US you'd be surprised but they're high up there in the manufacturing of
the world you have Colombia Vietnam but you're
talking about millions and millions and millions of tons
available every year I wish hemp would be that
I wish one day we can actually reach to that scale
but for us to achieve that scale,
just so you have an idea,
in 80 years,
the hemp production had actually gone down.
When the US went to war
and they did the whole hemp for victory,
and just in one year,
they were producing more hemp in the whole US
than all the acreage that was done in the whole
cbd uh craze and maybe in the 2020 something around there so we really need to get back on
getting the seed to the farmer but with so many restrictions with a 0.3 restriction and the fact
that if you if the seed gets a tiny bit hot then
you go from being an innovator to becoming a felon so a lot of farmers don't really want to
take that chance you know it's like they'd rather grow corn they'd rather grow onions just something
something more i guess not so so on the edge for some people so that's also
what their freedom correct correct so that's why it's how can we use different
alternatives for example in Mexico we have this thing and not just in Mexico
in a lot of parts of Latin America there's there's this restriction towards these plants and it's mainly because prohibition this prohibition
makes money you'd be surprised how much money they get for basically new weapons new tanks new cars
new new everything and like they say this famous war against drugs well it seems to be that drugs
are winning you know because they just keep on
pouring money into it and they can't seem to solve the problem but other countries have solved it
very quick like portugal by decriminalizing because there's a big difference from legalizing
to regulating but anyways that's another talk for another day coming back to the to the fiber um
bagasse has some beautiful or it has a very nice particle distribution.
You would find hemp really has, well, hemp has three separations.
You can get a bit more technical into them, but the main separations from the fiber are the bast fiber, which is a long fiber.
fiber, which is a long fiber, the herd or shiv as the English call it, which is like
the, the wooden, wooden core or like the wooden inner core part. And then you get the dust.
But gas, you have something different. You have, you do get a dust, but you get also
a bigger particle, which is very similar to coconut dust which technically they're called pith p-i-t-h now
these pits are they're like a thermal setting plastic if you give them temperature and you
give them pressure you could make a you can make a board you could make a bioplastic you
can make a composite if you have the mold large enough so it has this this property of acting like a dust or like a sand
actually so just on a side note we were doing some testing and we were able to
do a mortar without any sand just the binder and different gratings of the
bagasse because it gives us different particle sizes that the hemp doesn't.
So that's why we find
don't even just stay strict
on hempcrete or sugarcrete.
Start mixing up the fibers, you know.
Does sugarcane,
Stephen, does sugarcane have
like a resin
like hemp that makes it sticky?
Or what?
Because sugar is sticky, so it makes sense that it would
be some type of good building material just you know logically but is it is that like a similar
on the fiber it's very similar to hemp you don't get any resin basically the idea of the sugar
production is that they want they want all the resin That's why they have all the names like the,
it's very similar to the extracts,
the rosin and the different processes that happen.
They're very similar to the sugar industry
because it looks very similar like the THC extracts
when they're doing the extraction from the fibers.
fibers. Now they extract everything and what's remaining is just, it's the waste fiber, which
Now, they extract everything,
and what's remaining is just,
has already been washed. So there's no, there's no real chemical residues. There's like some
of the pre-alcohols, but not, not what we're used to when we use, for agave but agave does come soaked in in alcohol which as we were talking with
harry um those are pre-treatments that you would have to do to fibers anyways if you're going to
do bioplastics or if you're going to do different applications so the three treatments that you do
is you either send them through the acid way and that removes certain layers like the
hollow cellulose the hemicellulose and these things or you can do the alkali treatment which
is the sodium hydroxide unfortunately in even though they're available but you have to be very
careful when you're talking about using lye or when talking about using sulfuric acid because
what do you do with
the remainder and that's unfortunately what a lot of industry does is they just kind of tip it into
into the closest river into the closest sewage so um one of the final treatments is a pre-alcohol
treatment that's some of the best way that you can do it for, for example, biocomposites, because you're affecting the outer layer,
hence how it binds, how it holds,
and to what it's going to hold or what it's going to bind to.
So we like the idea of sugar cane
because it has what they call the rind,
which is very similar to the herd.
It's like a bamboo cord.
Hey, Steven.
Then you have a Hey, Steven.
Yeah.
Can we... Ingrid is at
Noko and she just wanted to chime in real quick.
See...
Sure, sure, sure.
But then she's going in somewhere.
So then we go back
to that fucking educating, please.
So, Ingrid, you want to share us what's
up with noco hi guys yeah so noco was three days of uh overwhelming amounts of information
like if you can do it next year i highly recommend it because it's just panels about
everything that we need to know but i would say say one of the highlights for me was being able to speak with the creators of BoardWorks.
Are you guys familiar with that?
Because they make a Begoss board as well.
Yes, tell us.
They're even recycling wind turbines.
Okay, when they have a board they make too with the, like, you know, when people are, because they're based out of Florida.
So there's a lot of boats so when they're making those boats there's extra pieces left now they're
mixing that in and selling that as like an alternative sustainable material made from waste
so if there's a company to look into I would say board works they're already huge but they're
really good people and they're looking to expand in other areas because they only want to be moving their stuff for like, how did he say it? 75 bail
miles. I don't know what a 75 bail mile is. Invite them to come be part. Tell them they can come set
up in our builder's corner at Texas Hemp Stock. Okay. I have, like, a ton of contacts. So I'm here until tomorrow night.
But, yeah, the event is over with now at this point.
I'm about to go to the Stanley Hotel and get freaked out by the ghosts.
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
That's why I just wanted to jump in here and say, hey, yeah,
Noko was fantastic.
And it's the community, too, you know.
Man, I saw those desserts.
Oh, Lord.
And the food they provide for you, too.
They look so delicious.
It's like in a lot of conferences, you have to go someplace.
We're so fancy.
We are so, we've come so far.
We're so fancy.
Did you guys see those gluten-free hemp flour pastries?
My God, it looked like a French bakery.
It was quite divine.
I will say that.
It was quite divine.
The food was nice, too.
Because in a lot of conferences, you have to leave for lunch.
They provide lunch for you.
So, yeah, NOCO next year.
Put it on your calendars.
It's a beautiful city up here in Estes Park, Colorado.
And, yeah.
I'm doing a fashion show next year at NOCO.
I've already booked it, so.
Oh, very cool.
It's happening.
Hopefully Natural Build Guild will be there, too.
Let's make it happen.
Would you say the Boardworks was the highlight of the NOCO trip then?
Not really, because there were too many highlights like aggro creep aggro creep out of Texas do you know
that oh he's coming to speak at Texas Hempstock okay yeah Wiggles yep he's so
cute he reminds me of Santa Claus I love love him. Hey guys, this is Amanda.
I spoke with him and we're going to make him a regional lead.
Yes!
Yay!
Right on.
Wee-hoo!
I definitely need more leadership here.
I'll find you guys a link to see who we're talking about.
Yeah, I just, I spent the day with him one day last week spraying.
And he comes from commercial construction, 30 years of commercial construction, and sees the benefits of industrial hemp.
I told him about this chat, too.
So hopefully we'll get him on here.
He's definitely a knowledgeable guy.
Again, you know how I say the difficulty is going to be getting conventional
builders converted over to this natural building, and he's one of them.
So I think we're at, like, four out of 1 of a thousand for that list now but we'll get there um that's awesome thanks for the
for the update if you does anybody have any questions related to noco for me
we did miss danny for sure that was the low life of it. We missed Danny in the lower suit.
We're definitely going to be screening the film at Hempstock.
Did you, was there a screen in there?
There was not. Not that I went to. they did do the movie night the night before was that
I don't think so I don't know sorry my my answer is I don't know there's a lot of press around it
either way though I'll tell you that because I I google hempcrete the hashtag literally every week
for the last six months and I can tell you all of a sudden in the last
months, there's been a huge increase in posts. And a lot of them are reposts or shares or something
connected to Danny's story and what they're doing. So it's definitely having an impact,
So it's definitely having an impact, at least on social media, I can tell you that.
at least on social media. I can tell you that.
Hell yeah. Danny, can you come up and talk a little? I see you in the crowd.
See how you're doing. I know he just shared, posted architects and engineers, which, you know,
there's the introduction to Hemcrete, which, you know, the's the introduction to Hemcrete,
which, you know, the courses have been going on in the days,
next level, like always.
And in the architects and engineers that have the, you know,
who are calling the shots really of what goes in,
who's offering to these products, you know,
who's offering these products to their clientele.
I wonder if you could come to the chat about that.
What up? Hey, what's up? Can you hear me?
Yeah, dude. How are you?
Yes. Blessings, Danny. Thanks for coming up.
Good to hear from you, bro.
Yeah, you too.
Thanks for
holding space like always. I'm actually making my daughter some lunch right now, so I got to make it quick.
But yeah, I missed out on NOCO. Kind of a bummer this year, but just couldn't make it happen. We had too much stuff going on here.
And then our casino got hacked, and so did our work emails by some ransomware people from Russia.
And so they were holding all of our shit ransom and basically took down the casino for, like, three weeks and then took down our work emails as well.
We just got back up and running this past week.
So it's been pretty crazy.
Holy fuck, dude.
Yeah, it was crazy.
That's not anymore.
Yeah, right?
Of course.
That's fucking insane.
But yeah.
Sorry, guys, I had to go through that.
I'm glad you're fucking past that.
That's wild.
Yeah, well, they've hit quite a few casinos, so it's not like they were just targeting us.
But it just so happened that someone higher up clicked on something they shouldn't have clicked on.
It just so happened that someone higher up clicked on something they shouldn't have clicked on.
Yeah, so that's how it's been going here.
But we did have that workshop at HGA.
I don't know if anyone's familiar with HGA.
They're an architect firm throughout the whole country.
I think they have like a thousand, over a thousand employees with one of their main offices being in Minneapolis
and it's right across from Target Field where the Minnesota Twins play and it used to be an old
Ford dealer or Ford manufacturing place that that was redone into like all of these office buildings
and now even the Minnesota Twins have some of their offices there, their headquarters
there. But anyway, so these architects, we did a presentation at that same building last year for
the U.S. Green Building Council. And then they wanted to have us come back and do like a workshop
with their employees. And so that's what we did last week. Um, we went there, they had,
we had like an hour of lecture and then the rest was all hands-on building a wall with a,
with a window opening and everything. And, you know, me and the guys, we didn't do any hands-on,
you know, they did all of the work the architects did. So they really got familiar with it instead
of us just showing
them how to do it you know we kind of just showed them the ball was really good yeah yeah no they
made it really good it was funny like it was three different groups and so the first group was really
really into it you know and I mean each group was into it but the first group right away was like
ours is gonna look the best you know compared to the next groups. And each group did really well.
But the last group, they left a tamper in the wall.
And I don't know if you've ever had that happen.
But we go to do the reveal and there's a little tamper like at the bottom of it.
So, yeah, it was funny.
But we pulled it out and showed them how to patch up the spot.
So it was actually kind of cool.
You know, we got to show them how what happens when you when you mess up, too.
But, yeah, it was all these fancy, you know, got to show them how what happens when you when you mess up too um but yeah it was
all these fancy you know building science people and then one of them left a tamper in the wall
so we were all kind of giving them shit for it so um but all of them left like you know just loving
the material and saying how easy it was to work with and you know everyone should be building with
this and so and then like they even had people zooming in
so people that couldn't be there there was like 50 some people on zoom the whole time that were
watching um they had like four or five different cameras set up and then during the lecture too so
that was pretty cool and then the following day we went went to the Minnesota Department of Labor and Industry, I think it's called.
And we went and testified in front of their technical advisory group to try and get hempcrete adopted into the Minnesota state codes.
Minnesota only updates their codes once every six years and so
they're actually doing it right now so it was like the perfect time. And so we were trying to get
straw bale and hempcrete adopted in and we had we had Martin Hammer who wrote the straw bale code.
We had him and David Eisenberg. They were both on the Zoom calls with the tag group.
We had Anthony Dente for the structural engineer. We had some people from the University of Minnesota
Sustainable Building Research Department. Ralph Jacobson and Dan Handeen, and they're like super
building science people. That's all they do you know and
so we had like a hold on Peanut I'm on the phone and so I was listening in they went first straw
bill went first and you know they had all those you know fancy people on the call and everything
and they got shot down and they weren't they weren't gonna let straw bale in basically or
they said they didn't feel comfortable with it or whatever and so then i was kind of nervous doing
my thing um went up and talked about um the hempcrete stuff and then they were when they
were asking questions it was more um face-to-face stuff you know and they're asking questions, it was more face-to-face stuff, you know, and they're asking questions
with the guys over Zoom, it got kind of almost like one of the answers that somebody came
back with was, well, it's common sense, you know, and so I could see on those guys' face
right away that they weren't going to go for the straw bill stuff, and so when they were
asking me questions, it was more of like a face-to-face conversation and I could answer any of the, you know, issues they had with hempcrete
and they voted seven to two to table it to, we just have to fix one line in the way that the
code's written right now, the way the appendix is written. There's a part in there, I don't know
if you guys are familiar with it at all, but, and maybe it should get fixed throughout. Um, you know, maybe we should all go back and redo it, or I don't even know how that's even, how you have to have conduit or can't be in contact with any of the wet lime or whatever
the line is in there it says something about it shall be you know wrapped in conduit or whatever
and so the way it's worded it says that even the plastic conduit has to be wrapped in conduit and
so these you know these the technical advisory group they were just all over that line
and they're basically like if
you were somebody out on the field or out in the field you wouldn't know unless you hired a
consultant or somebody that had already worked with it and they said you know they don't want
that they want the blueprint to be perfect you know so somebody out in the field shouldn't have
to hire a consultant to tell them how to do it, you know.
And so there was kind of some mix up in the in the wordage.
And so we're just going to go back and clean that line up.
And we have to bring it back to them by the end of the month.
And hopefully they'll they'll approve it at the state level.
So that was that was pretty big.
But I don't know if anybody's had any issues with that, trying to get it in for their state.
Or if they're right now trying to get it into their state, that might come up as an issue.
This is Bev.
I'm sorry.
There's an easy way to amend that code, or there's a path to amend that code for sure.
Just get an attorney that knows how to do that,
knows what the rules are on that, and you get that wording.
I wonder if anyone from the USHBA wants to speak to that.
I see Ingrid here.
I don't know.
Mr. Hemp House is down there.
Or Scott, maybe.
Anyone has comments on that?
We had Tom Ross Messler on the call.
Oh, good.
I mean, I'm a regional leader as well for the state the call. Oh, good. I mean, I'm a regional
leader as well for the state
of Minnesota. Oh, right.
So, I mean, you guys are...
It sounds like it's in the works then.
Like, it's...
There's at least people discussing
on how we can...
How we can fix that.
That's... Thanks for bringing that up.
That's important.
And that's a good...
Go ahead, Ingrid.
I missed that.
What did he say?
I did want to respond to Danny.
Quick.
You had me smiling ear to ear.
That sounds awesome.
And I just want to give big props to you.
And thanks again for truly leading the fucking way and, you know, putting your time and energy and your life into this.
And I just want to say much appreciation to you.
I know we haven't gotten to meet personally yet, but we're all family here.
I know it's got to be difficult traveling away from your family too
to do this. Again, dude, you're definitely
a legend.
It makes me really proud to be in the same industry as your dog.
You definitely really proud to be in the same industry as your dog so i um you definitely inspired me and we i did get to go to austin um city council where they they adopted it into texas um i think
the austin city actually building codes so that that line wasn't brought up at all. I didn't really look at the details of it, but I'll find that and put it in this post. But yeah, big props to you, big dog, and appreciate your hustle and everything you do for the industry.
But what was the question that you said? I think I lost service for a second, so I missed the question at the end there.
I don't think he asked a question.
He was reminding me that he's already part of the USHBA, which that was all my comment.
But Ingrid, I think, wanted to share something as well.
Yeah, Ingrid, come on up on up well I'm here with Amanda
boots on the ground
more USHBA
so I was just going to chime in and remind everybody
that yeah Danny is a huge part of
the USHBA and we do
whatever we can to support the work he's
doing and the work that all of you
guys are doing you know much can to support the work he's doing and the work that all of you guys are doing, you know, much appreciation to all the members.
And also we got bookmarks made for the book club.
So March 23rd, or April 23rd is World Book Day.
It's the day after Earth Day and that's when we'll be launching this book club.
We passed out almost 500 of them this last three days.
Yeah.
Damn, that's what's up.
On that
base, I bet.
We're doing Will's
The Hemp Creek book
for the first one.
Definitely. Yep.
The Hemp Creek book.
It says it on the bookmark.mark if you want i can mail you
some just shoot me your shoot me a good address for you and i'll mail some to you i have about
100 left good luck with that i'm i'm in travel now so i don't i'll figure i'll figure out a way
to get it um but yeah, that's awesome.
Do you want to share about the book club a little bit now,
just to remind everyone here and, you know, for people that weren't here?
Yeah, so I think a book club is a good way to get an overview
of where we're at in the industry.
And the Hemp Creek book was written in 2014 initially,
right Harry?
Yes.
And then it was written from the perspective of somebody in the UK.
So if we go break it down chapter by chapter and just be like, here's what the history
was 11 years ago and here's where we're at now. I think it would make good sense and we can break it down by chapter and then that can evidently
branch into finding a way to do
the supply chain map. It can be a work
in progress. I see only good things coming from reading.
Somebody said once the only reason to move
is to move into a house with a bigger library.
So, hey, there's that expanding our knowledge and we don't even need to do that with today's digital age.
So last week, Wade suggested doing an AI program for reading instead of us like stumbling over the reading part of it.
So I've got that on.
And, yeah, we just got to figure out our platform and who all our audience is going to be.
But in the meantime, Amanda and I are about to go to the Stanley Hotel and get scared by ghosts.
As if we're not the scarier ones Okay Yeah we're definitely
In a haunted Airbnb for sure
That's a fact
But anyway
I didn't see any ghosts there
Well I'm not
100% sure if it came out in 2014 but that that's the year that i got it so i i
don't don't quote me on that but the the hemp creek book is the first one i've got i got um
you know like i said 2014 and i read it you know cover to cover but I didn't even know half the words meant, quite frankly.
So I was reading something but not understanding it.
Me personally, I'm a bad reader, so I kind of suck at it.
But when you care about something, you obviously learn better with it um and
once you know i had more in the field on the job experience and you know talking
communicating with a bunch of people you know on here on the chats and uh you know you start learning the vocabulary and then you read it again
and it's like oh that now you know a lot more makes sense so again this is you know for me
personally a never-ended learning journey and that has that was my first one i have two i'm on
my second copy now because the one guy ruined in the flood.
But I had the chance to work with Will in South Carolina.
And he is just as great as I could imagine.
Between him and his partner, Jamie, they've been building in the UK probably 20 years now. And he's definitely I actually think Will's coming to America for a job.
I talk to him every once in a while.
But once we get into the swing of things,
Jamie's definitely going to be coming over here as much as he can.
But, you know, Will's got a family and also travel is limited for him.
But, yeah, I'm definitely thrilled about it.
You know, I think we should just share it in all, you know, all of our forums.
But, like, again, like that's something I also was thinking about, you know,
as far as, like, marketing goes and getting awareness because that's something i also was thinking about you know as far as like
marketing goes and getting awareness because that's again one of my personal hurdles and
i think as a full industry so like at some point like where we're advertising to pretty much to
ourselves so like everyone you know i've realized everyone's in all these same groups and stuff,
so how to infiltrate different markets with it
and get it in front of people's eyes that aren't looking for it.
So, anyone has any ideas of that? You know, I just wanted to say, Harry,
I did a message with Will. He's coming to the States in late May to early June, and
he's going to be in Colorado with Phelan. Yeah, sweet. Well, I definitely love those Italian blocks.
You know, they were also part of the persuasion of me,
because obviously I would never really have been a fan of the blocks,
because that stems from just me not liking brick.
But, yeah, these blocks, it is Will's mix, and they are great. It's dolometic lime with a probiotic and just hemp.
So probiotic is the Pozlon, which Phelan has and, you know, brings over and, you know, uses those blocks.
those blocks but you know again great blocks but you know we're the united states hemp building
association so we should start focusing on the united states and you know industry um
which i i don't alan i know you said you wanted to talk a little bit about the tariffs, which that is a way, you know, because our hemp seed to eat is all coming from Canada.
Well, for the most part.
So we need to have it more enticing for our farmers.
for our farmers.
I think we all agree with the grain market that it's potential.
And if we'll trade that market, then it will have a trickle-down effect.
And a true trickle-down effect, I see it being not the government's silly tricks. But, yeah, that's what we've been thinking.
I got a couple things lined up as far as marketing plans going for Austin.
Like, we're going to start pushing the natural blasters in conventional homes for remodeling.
in conventional homes for remodeling.
So we have a mix now that we like.
We just discussed it with the toll on company to get it out there.
But, yeah, once that's ready, obviously,
if anyone wants to check out one of our blocks or plaster mixes,
definitely feel free to reach out.
You know, I have no problem sending it.
I think that's part.
I mean, that is part of, you know, our plan is just once we're ready
and have the stockpile to just send everyone samples to, you know,
play with themselves because it's touching it and it's feeling it
and it's touching it and it's feeling it and breathing
it it's it's that energy and frequency that really gives it life um but yeah paul i did
see you had your hand up before how you doing bro thanks for coming back you've been silent
in the guild for a while it's to be good to hear your voice here.
Hey, Harry.
Thanks.
Yeah, I've been working with Hemptown on Main up in Medford.
And we're building tiny homes and teaching people about the, the miracles of, of hempcrete. Um, one of the things I wanted, uh, the reason I raised my hand was because I've worked with Maricrete as well.
And it's, uh, uh, it's, it's a real interesting material, um, from a lot of different standpoints, but it's rarely talked about in the context of hempcrete construction. for handling the waste stream that accompanies the marijuana industry.
And it isn't generally incorporated into the construction industry,
though it should be for a couple of different reasons,
particularly in areas where the pest infestation problems can benefit from cannabis that has higher terpene and cannabinoid residues built into the wall.
And so, I mean, that niche is wide open right now.
And I think, you know, there's a lot of cannabis, a lot of marijuana stems that are sitting in some field rotting right now that could be put to good use if people start to broaden their thinking around the responsibilities that go with growing this plant.
that go with growing this plant.
And part of that, what needs to happen is, of course,
the essential civilian demand for the end of THC limits
on industrial cannabis.
And that's the thing that is inhibiting the infrastructure investment that's needed to scale the industry up to where it needs to be in order to be optimally efficient and productive in all aspects of industry that are made possible through cultivation of cannabis at a national scale
and creating regional energy infrastructure that will eliminate the possibility of there not being a market for the production.
We need to consider that if we don't plant now, we're not going to have the abundant harvest that we need in the fall.
But also to look ahead to the processing, the scale of production and the scale of processing that we need to begin investing in to accommodate that harvest.
the, in the, in the chat is that if we couldn't use cannabis for anything or, or eat the seed or,
or use it for anything at all, we still have to grow it for its environmental services.
And, um, that aspect of it needs to be, um, built into the conversation whenever we're talking about the products that we make out of it,
because the environmental services of the crop are the most valuable thing about it.
And it's fortunate that we can make things like hempcrete and, you know, complete essential
nutrition from the plant. But, you know, what we really need to focus on is
the environmental services that determine the quality of life on earth. Because, you know,
we're running out of time to course correct for the mistakes that have been made since before we were born. And, you know, it's great that these events like NOCO are happening
and the hash bash, you know, all of that's great.
You know, all of that's great. But the demand for the scaling up of production and the demand for the end of THC limits in time to to catch this year's harvest or this year's planting season are really important. It's something that I trust that people are coordinating the demand in a timely way.
And if I can make it to any of these events, I don't know, Milan, if you want me to register or apply for being a speaker at your event. But if I can, if I can swing it, I'd,
you know, I'd be willing to, to leave hearth and home to, to travel. You know, I sent you like
on every platform. I have a connect for you. I sent you an invite. So, you know, that I'd love to have you.
We just need, you know, sponsorship if we got to cover your travel. But I think that, you know,
even with the folks in this room, I, you know, we could, we can make it happen. So let us know what we need to do to get you there because you're, you're an important, uh, and rare leader. We want your voice there.
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Um, really it's just a matter of a plane ticket and a,
uh, you know, a couch to crash on the activists. Oh,, we got 100 acres for camping.
We're going to have campsites
we're still working on
trying to get some potentially
RV rentals, but there will be
tents and other
accommodations.
It's going to be beautiful weather.
It's right by the river.
I only camp naked and I wouldn't want to put you all through that.
Well, we have a 21 and over area.
But it is a family event.
Oh, that's funny.
You know, one of my hashtags for Hemp Walk is wear hemp or go naked.
So you could be one of my influencers.
Oh, great.
No, I think that ship sailed a long time ago.
You know, Paul, I'm excited you are making hempcrete out of the marijuana or cannabis waste because they're, you know, that's what they have it as a waste.
And ideally, the hemp breed is beneficial for all its uses from the remediation of the soil.
But if there's that material there already, that's what we were discussing about the bagasse that's there already. Natural building is using the resources that's what you know we were discussing about the bagasse that's there
already natural building is using the resources that's around you and to be able to use waste
products which you know that's what ideally the herd was in um in france so you know they have a
rich fiber industry and obviously the herd plays products for that.
But that does make me really happy to hear.
Well, the first time I saw it.
Where is this?
Washington?
Oregon?
Where are you?
I'm in Oregon.
But the first time I saw Maricrete being made was in Switzerland in 2002.
Is there any difference?
Oh, yeah.
What do they use in the whole stock, whole plant?
Is it like silage cut?
Well, it's the whole stock that's fed into a chipper or shredder.
And it's the power.
They actually had electric powered shredders, but it wasn't on a huge scale.
This was a demonstration project in Switzerland where they were doing all kinds of different things with the seed, with the stocks, with the essential oils.
You know, it was actually there's a film of it on.
I think I just posted it to Facebook actually this morning.
I was thinking about my time in Switzerland and how it led to my involvement with the United Nations and the Food and Agriculture Organization.
It kind of an interesting way, but you can check it out on Facebook to see some films and photographs from that period,
which, you know, eventually resulted in food security being part of the drug policy conversation in Vienna.
So it was a part of that.
Part of that was when I was in Switzerland and witnessing the vast production and processing of cannabis on a scale that I'd never seen before.
You can see the film on YouTube and on Facebook, actually, and it's breathtaking.
Actually, and it's irresponsible to consume cannabis without regard for the toxic
results and in the what makes it toxic the fertilizers they use well that that and also, you know, just moldy stems are problematic.
They sit in the field and they essentially biodegrade, exuding, you know, greenhouse gases and methane and carbon dioxide.
And, you know, those stems can be processed into soil amendments and building materials,
But it's rarely done. And so you wind up with with large mountains of of stem material, just molding and and and rotting. The stems are similar to the hemp stems in their character, not in the way that they grow, but in the actual material itself.
but it's rarely done.
be utilized and incorporated into the building material feedstock stream
and collected and responsibly disposed of in a productive way.
And they're much more likely to have some of the cannabinoids and terpene residues that can discourage pest infestation.
And, you know, there's perhaps, I mean, I don't know this for sure because they are heavily processed in order to get to that point. for discouraging pest infestation or reducing the possibility of mold, for example,
that would be an advantage worth investigating and experimenting with, I think.
experimenting with, I think.
Well, I think I,
Steven's mentioned in the past that they've,
they found that, you know,
the lignans that are higher in the cannabis variety, you know,
the THC cannabis varieties actually make the hempcrete stronger. So, I mean, I love where this conversation goes.
And, you know, again, like the whole point of sustainable building and construction
was to use waste, you know, materials that are otherwise being wasted. So I think, you know, materials that are otherwise being wasted or, so I think, you know, we've, we've
definitely talked about this for a few years now, how obvious it is that there's an entire
supply of waste, stalks, stems, all that, that is, is thrown out every day through the cannabis industry.
So interesting topic here.
I don't know if anyone else wants to chime in.
Yes.
Yeah, I'm coming in.
Sorry, I'm going in and out of balance.
But you're coming in and out at the end there.
But, yeah, again, I think using the waste that we have there is the first step.
You know, it's beneficial to all.
The French made hempcrete, like, clean hemp curd just like that because that's what
they have as their byproduct more than having the fiber industry.
With hemp being the natural strongest fiber,
why would you want to take that out of your building material?
So that's the way I look at it.
I'm a huge fan of it.
But, Stephen, if you're – is she still in here?
Can you finish – like, I know we talked about it,
like how the alcohol mixes with the lime and like that block is
like
extremely dense
was it 40 pounds
the measurement of it but
I did want to remember that
before we close out
if you could
finish sharing
that
yeah That's a good finish sharing that.
Yeah, if not, if anyone, Wade, I know you're doing your fucking campaign.
Why, do you want to share a little bit about that, where you are, what you're doing?
Sure, just back here at home right now, getting ready to hit the road again next week um you know trying to raise awareness for our go fund me campaign where we want to build out
our first model home so i'll uh i'll put a link to it here or if uh milan you got a link i think
but uh just you know moving forward it uh, everybody knows in this industry,
nobody's getting rich yet. Everybody's just turned, spinning their wheels, turning their
life and pushing this industry forward. It's like pushing a big rock uphill, but we just keep doing
it. Nobody here has given up, you know, it's, uh, it's been many, many years. Some people here, you know, decades.
I'm definitely in it for over a decade now.
And, you know, no sign of slowing down, always moving forward.
I just went down to San Diego and picked up my custom hemp fabric, hemp canvas that I had made.
And I used that in my scratch coat layer to hold the biochar
and lime in against the hempcrete. And then you put the two more coats of lime over that for your
finish coats. But because of my double stud wall construction, we don't want those studs to crack
through on the lime plaster. So that's what this hemp canvas will do will help that and then
of course the biochar sandwiched in that layer really adds to the uh fire resilience resiliency
of it so looking forward to making some samples this week and uh moving forward with you send me
some of that fabric give me an address brother i'll get it out to you all right no i think it'd
be great with your blocks i think it would really help with the screws too so that really help
locking it in but i'll make up some stuff here and i'll send you some absolutely but thanks again man
keep up the good work they're getting great bite um i i screwed it in a quarter inch and it holds its own weight so
i i definitely am excited to see what
because i i did do plastering over um those hemp shields and in that room there was wood
um you know framing for the window the window buck and there was tar was wood, you know, framing for the window,
the window buck, and there was tar paper on there, you know,
and then I used, I had corner beads, metal corner beads from the plastic store,
supply store, and I flattened those out and used the metal lath,
which I think worked great, but, you know, in China, we also tried the hemp products.
Yeah, Stephen, you back up here, dog.
Way to save travels.
Good luck with the advertising, you know, out there in the streets
just fucking yelling at people.
That's one way to do it.
We got to do it all.
I love it, brother.
I love the passion.
And good luck.
Yeah, man.
Good luck with that, Wade.
Nice to hear you, man.
I hope you've recovered.
It seems that you're good again.
You're going to be out on the road.
Yeah, I actually this week just started wearing the same size shoes again.
So I don't have to wear a size 13 on my left foot.
It hurts, but it's still – I'm moving forward.
I'm healing up.
So thanks, man.
Nice, man.
Well, congratulations, and good luck with that, man.
Hope you have much
success man
so yeah Harry yeah man the gas the bagasse blocks do something very
particular so even mixing it with the hemp you know mixing different
particular or particulate sizes, different compressions.
You can make from a brick, a block, a bigger panel.
And once again, it just really depends on what binders you use.
It's like you were talking a while ago about dolomitic and probiotic, which I've never seen seen it but I've heard it does some amazing things
and it's really just a bacteria that you're adding that is doing the carbonation from within
instead of the lime having to absorb it from the outer layers so yeah I really like these chats
because it's really good to talk about different ideas, explore
different ideas.
That's why we like to step away a bit from the whole building grade, because to me it's
all building grade.
It's really what do you want to do?
And based on that, you use the different fibers that you have local.
You know, if you have hemp, it's the best.
If you can grow it, there's nothing, I guess, more poetic than growing your own house,
growing your own medicine and all those good things.
But if you don't and you have a sugar mill
just down the road, why not?
And it's also a way that we can industrialize into,
like Paul says, if we're not growing now,
we're not gonna have material to make hemp houses with
in October.
But if we want to make a thousand houses naturally built,
we could do that straight away
because there's enough bagasse available
or agave or coconut.
Plus that it's a solution that can be transported to
any part of the world you can do a wood structure and if not do a bamboo structure if not do
a metal structure and if not go structureless um we're done the vault method and they all
work so so yeah i'm really glad that you like it, Glenn, because it's an alternative that we
have.
It's something that we see that can be highly industrialized in the meantime that hemp becomes
what it is.
And with all honesty, I'm really, I'm all for the Merry Crete, you know, that's really
the best hempcrete really comes from the THC.
And the whole fear that we have to the thc that we have to call it industrial
hemp and very but don't you think i would get high if i if i get in my house and i build my house out
of thg dude man people get higher from people get higher from trainers man you know there's some
there's some really there's some exactly that will get you like high high man you know not like
and honestly it's just oh i know that i'm sure you do and you know and then there's some crazy
chemicals that they get you high but then they won't give you anything at least thc gets you
high man and they can help you with your glaucoma running pvc pipes in the crawl space
you you're crawling out of that crawl space in a different dimension
that's also another thing about architecture that should be taken away in crawl spaces because
you just harbor small critters animals insects and then you have to pass a human through there
to repair something that you can't fit a tool
I don't know. It's just bad engineering. But anyways man
Congratulations on the machine really on that three block system. It's also helped us
Understand how we can solve now with the bamboo system
There's a three block system. I think it's a great way to make walls
you're just building up the brick with an interior structure and
Then boom you ready to plaster and like you say if you can control the curing
That really is the issue that a lot of people have with hemp or I hear especially in other
Regions, we're very lucky because we have a lot of Sun just like you do in Texas
We have certain dry weathers not so much over here, but we have a lot of sun just like you do in Texas. We have certain dry weathers, not so much over here,
but we have a lot of wind which helps take away the humidity.
But once you get that material dry,
it really is wonderful hempcrete.
In the meantime that you're getting it dry,
you can certainly fall into certain issues,
especially in more humid, colder climates just means delays times to dry and if you
can cut that time for the people it's just the same thing like curing cannabis you know it's not
just about harvesting it it's really the curing that gives it that really special touch so it's
the same with building it's the same with this material you just have to cure
it the better you can cure it or the more controlled you can cure it you give the end
user a better experience because they just get the block put them together assemble and literally the
day that they finished assembling the next day somebody can come doing the finishes so we can compete with the bad industrialization that needs
once you know demands things 24 7 which I believe sometimes natural building it can push to a certain
extent but there are certain things that do need their time and just like natural finishes you know
the actual finish finish the line coats of these things they need their time their temperature and these kind of
things but we can certainly accelerate the other parts to be able to compete
with with the standard market and like Harry says I certainly believe that
houses can be built much cheaper around the hundred square feet it's just a
matter of changing the design the way that houses
are built today i understand why they cost so much because it's good people are making good money
but you have seven different materials to create a thermal barrier and then if something goes wrong
everybody's pointing at each other it's like that meme with the spider man and everybody's saying well who's responsible and at
the end you end up with mold you end up with basically losing money and it's just a bad
decision that supposedly is being taken by architects and by engineers who went to study
these things so that's why i really believe once again open source, science or engineering,
not by what we say, but what our materials can do.
So once again, Harry, I'm really glad that you liked it,
that you see the value in that material,
because I really think there is something to it,
especially once you mix it with hemp.
Try making a 50-50 and you get the benefits of both worlds.
So yeah. 50 50 and um you get the benefits of both worlds so yeah man
yeah i'm definitely excited to get back well this is my first time i was a little upset leaving texas because of you know we got the blockchain up and running and you know just really
blockchain up and running and you know just really dialing in our efficiency as far as
manufacturing head blocks here um which we pretty much got our first order pumped out and
ready to go virginia speaking of we do have that training in virginia you know feel free to
share it and share this room everyone please
and you know we're in the education or spreading education which you know we're all we're all about
here um paul i saw you had your hand up yeah i wanted to uh just uh uh expand a little bit on
expand a little bit on the concept of competing in the existing market and point out that hemp
construction is very singular in its ability to claim the essential service of locking up carbon because there are two qualifications for
sequestration credits that need to be confirmed and quantified. And the sequestration itself, based on the into durable products is another metric that translates that is difficult to confirm and to quantify in other durable goods, whereas with hempcrete,
the amount of material that you use to build a structure is something that can be confirmed after the fact.
So the introduction of the carbon sequestration and carbon sinking credits need to be carved in hempcrete and presented in order to overcome the economic inertia of the status quo.
And the existing market has an advantage in that it has been in place for a long time.
And the upstart market, the hempcrete market, seeks to overcome that inertial resistance.
And one of the most effective ways to do that is through the carbon credits value of the industry, but also to introduce the concept of terpene and oxygen credits into the equation.
Because cannabis is unique in producing extremely high volumes of atmospheric aerosol
terpenes and oxygen as it sequesters the carbon and the carbon is then tied up in the in the
durable hempcrete and so those processes are happening simultaneously and can be assigned
economically. How can we measure that?
How can you measure what?
Like the terpene and like the oxygen
credits. Like we, I did have a conversation
well, I missed it, but I will did have a conversation well I missed it but
I will be having a conversation soon
probably next week with a
carbon creditor
where like they've done the whole carbon
credits thing so I'm paying
for the consultant to have them to talk with
them I'm actually going to see if we get
them on here
you know I'll let you guys
know once I speak with them but
what like is that even a thing a terpene credit or no yeah they have to be assigned like
it can be assigned value just the way carbon's been assigned value
you know terpenes could be assigned or should be assigned value right and and well it's
yeah it's a developing concept but it's an important one in terms of the role that
terpenes play in the atmosphere and when you look at all of the geoengineering and the solar
radiation management that's going on right now, and the billions of dollars that are being
misspent to essentially mimic what cannabis does in the atmosphere,
what cannabis does in the atmosphere, though it does it in a very clumsy and destructive way.
You know, this is an area that currently is being globally revealed.
You know, the chemtrails, the aluminum, the strontium, and the barium being spewed into the atmosphere
in order to block the solar radiation.
Well, the cannabis terpenes refract the solar radiation, and so they actually perform a
very valuable environmental service that deserves to be assigned economic value because there are many consequences
to not having enough terpenes in the atmosphere.
And, you know, that's a lengthy conversation, but it's one that needs to happen
because to overcome the inertia of the
status quo, we need to introduce every arrow in our quiver to the rationale for eliminating the
THC limits in time to plant this spring so that we can harvest abundantly in the fall. And that's,
you know, the time constraints, um, you know, I mean, I've been railing about this forever,
but, um, you know, it's springtime and we all should be planting everywhere. And, um,
everywhere.
that...
Where can we
see the terpenes?
I know, at least
with the carbon credits, they're
weighing the actual
biomass.
If you research,
there's tons of research studies.
If you Google boreal's tons of research studies. If you Google like boreal forest,
you know what's even more fun is ask Grok AI about terpenes. I actually did the other day and
it came back with all kinds of information that it would have taken me, you know, months to track down.
I've had some really fascinating conversations with Grok AI about cannabis,
some of which I've posted.
Oh, they're gold. You guys got to check these out.
These are gold because it's like, you know, the meeting of the minds, literally. Like Paul is the closest thing our community has to a Grok when he's so
Grok meets uh I don't know Von Von Grok it's been fascinating because uh I don't know if you're
aware of it but Grok can read graphs and it can can look at photographs and analyze films.
And I sent it some of the, I sent it the film of the bee on my cannabis plant in my garden that was rubbing itself down with resin.
And it flipped out.
Grass flipped out.
You blew even
AI's mind
you know I love that you're bringing this up
because I was just going to randomly
share
I have to go find the video
but I saw someone
you know how people are posting their conversations
with AI
and all the
crazy things that it says
someone asked AI if you were and all the crazy things that it says.
Someone asked AI,
if you were, basically, if you were like a psychotic race that wanted to take over planet Earth
and create a prison planet, how would you go about it?
And the first thing that the AI said was
attack the Earth's ether. Isn't that wild?
That is very particular. And in a very crazy way, it makes a lot of sense.
Right?
That's like the frequency.
So if you mess with the original frequency, you mess with everybody.
But anyways, it's a trick.
But I love the whole terpene situation.
I really wish that it would enter the, because it would promote people to growing you know more mango trees and just more
plants with more more aromatic compounds and the forest basically the forest used to provide that
the wetlands used to provide that just like you would drive before and you would have tons of
insects on your on your windscreen now you can drive for miles and you don't have to
stop to strip
bugs off the wipers
and off these things.
I've had it twice already.
I'm glad it
still happens.
We're still getting some bugs.
It's not as
buggy.
You still get the first jump over. When's the last buggy. You still get the
first jump over.
When's the last time you took a shower, Harry?
Hey, come on now.
Actually, I was at Planet Fitness
the other day, so
we'll leave off.
That's literally the best
thing as the gym membership.
I've gone there to shit shower and shave way more times than I have begun to work out.
Are your massage chairs alone are worth $25 a month?
Oh, yep, yep.
I do finish my shower with the hydro bed.
Of course.
Highly recommend it, guys. Oh, yeah, highly recommended.
Anyone, you know, traveling on the road or just straight up homeless like me, fucking
Planet Fitness is the place to be.
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I'm going to be
my son's going to be graduating from high school
in June
and I'm going to be
moving into an RV
and starting a
drone
production service
which will Drone production service.
Which will... You mean to drop seeds?
Exactly.
Oh, stop.
I'm done. Sign me up. Let's go.
I'm also going to be diving in the rivers for gold.
I'm also going to be diving in the rivers for gold. I'm also going to be diving in the rivers for gold on a hookah rig.
Paul, I'm so happy for you.
This is great.
No, I'm telling you, the drones is where it's at.
I'm ready.
Well, you know.
Yeah, that's my preferred medium.
I'm really quite amphibious.
And I've actually fallen asleep on the bottom of the ocean.
Back when I was a commercial diver.
That was so peaceful.
Oh, I had a wonderful, wonderful nap.
And I'm actually making a painting of it
because it was an absolutely magnificent day
on the north coast of California.
And it was just the perfect conditions
for me to be able to cozy up on this little bed of white sand
between these two huge monolith reefs that were covered with sea anemones.
And it was quite magnificent.
The kelp forest is a very magical place.
I'm privileged to have spent thousands of hours living in it.
Damn, I'm jealous. Yeah, you should be. It was quite special. I'm, I'm, I'm fortunate and grateful all, uh, you know, as a guy can be,
and I have photographs of, of a lot of it. Um, I was also an underwater photographer, so yeah, I've been real, very blessed,
but that's when I, you know, eventually made my way to hemp in Hawaii, actually, and, you
know, in 91, and started off chasing George Bush Sr. all over Pearl Harbor with a copy of The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Harrow.
And, you know, here I am 34 years later, still saying the same things over and over again, you know.
But I sure am happy and proud to hear of how you all have continued to carry this further.
And with style and grace, Harry, I got to say, I'm really proud of what you're doing.
And I'm inspired by your work.
And Milan, that goes for you too.
I mean, I know that you work hard and you got lots of challenges.
But it's just really inspiring to see what you guys are all doing
and to still be in the game to the extent that I am.
That does mean a lot. I appreciate that because
you see what goes into it
and obviously the durability
and resilience that we need to have
that is never-ending and resilience that we need to have,
that it is never-ending, you know,
educating people about it, and the conversation's never going to end.
And we, damn, I've been bringing up
the emperor wears no clothes
because I've been stopping by just head shops to drop off the Texas hemp stock flyer,
which if anyone does want, I'll mail them a flyer to or wherever you think you'd be able to hang it up.
If you think.
I got a handful of flyers left.
I'll be trying to post them as I'm driving across the country back and forth.
But that's definitely a huge get-together.
Just to be able to share the same stage as Jack Herr.
I'm extremely excited to meet
Paul Stanford and Paul, I really hope we'll figure a way to get you there. Um, shit, we
get one decent block sale and he'll be there in a heartbeat for sure. But, um, you know that's that's what we're in the struggle really as far as the industry
goes is there's no big money involved in it and once big money does become involved it
hopefully as long as it's in the right hands, it will just boom this whole industry as a whole.
Because obviously, though, it takes money to make money.
It's true.
And be able to put millions of dollars into different projects.
Like, you know, it's a very clear and simple plan of you take $100 million and have a development and make it into a billion dollar development, which, you know, that's obviously phase three to four down the line part of our business plan but again developments you know is a industrial you know for the industry plan
um which i have had a couple developers reach out to me recently within the last couple weeks
and they are more inclined to the blocks because of you know i would say the labor force that's already there too
um you know everywhere on in this on this planet you know there's masons stacking blocks either
rocks bricks whatever they're making or finding you know water bottles soda bottles filled with
cement earth blocks anything and you know the workforce is there so being able
to now introduce a new product to them and you know just a couple different
you know install methods i know rip walls you need that air gap here, you know, we eliminate the air gap. Again, that's just for critters and bugs to live and nest in.
You know, as a remodeler, I just see it has caused major issues.
But, yeah, just getting it into everyone's hands. I do, within the next couple of weeks, you know,
hopefully I'll be able to be more vocal about these next steps that, you know,
we're working on internally as far as our business.
And, you know, as you guys know, I'm 100% part of the industry as a whole.
You know, I answer to the plant and the plant only.
And I'm excited to be side-by-side with you guys
and fight for this liberation of our basic freedoms,
which it's universal health to our planet and ourselves.
But, you know, you guys all know that, and that's why we're here.
And we do gather stronger with numbers and liking and sharing these rooms.
You know, this is the Natural Build Guild.
Damn, I didn't even notice the time, but, you know i'm a lot if you don't know i'm driving for
the next 14 hours now oh 11 hours now but um hey harry so i i don't mind continuing to chat if you
guys want to keep the room open what's up paul uh since you're driving you probably don't see that we have Virginia Duquette from, I mean, Leandra Duquette, excuse me,
from the Virginia Hemp Guild, if I'm saying that right.
And I'd love to hear from her.
I don't believe we've met.
Well, Paul, that's because you haven't been in our space.
So Leandra's a longstanding guild member.
Where have you been?
I love it.
You all are awesome.
Yeah.
Hey, Paul.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Hopped on kind of late in the day.
Went and took my son to lunch and we were actually talking about hemp.
I showed him some of the hemp flooring material and, you know, just kind of back and forth with him.
snippet is I came upon industrial hemp because I wanted to farm it in Petersburg back in 2011
and found out it was illegal. And so I went through the whole rigmarole. They said, go to
a university, see if they'll do a pilot study. And then so one thing led to another. I ended up
speaking with a legislator out of Charlottesville, Virginia, and he introduced me to Jason Amitucci. He was a founder of, originally it was called the Virginia Industrial Hemp Coalition.
you know, advocate and push for certain bills that then led to the 2014 bill that allowed us to do
research. Worked with Virginia Tech, JMU, a lot of the, I guess like Glen Rose, one of the first
farmers of industrial hemp out at Blue Ridge. And yeah, just kind of saw that through. And as you are well aware, it's an uphill battle.
So as everything changed, right?
And then the hemp bill and the farm bill,
man, I can't even imagine like all the things
that have happened and transpired
in the last 14 some years.
But I'm really excited now that I i'm you know confident more confident now than
ever to become a stakeholder in this space and so definitely pushing the industrial hemp side of
things um as that is my passion um there's a house here that was built with industrial hemp
at the virginia beach oceanfront um and so from that point on, when I started, when I met them and did an
interview, that was back in 2014, 2013. And that house is standing, it's beautiful, and you walk
in it and you can breathe easy. And so, you know, having been in touch with them as they became friends, it's like they say,
yeah, it's very true about the cost saving, you know, the temperature regulating, all of that.
So now I just go around with my samples of hemp wood and hemp fiber, just to at least get them
to see that there is such a thing. And that, I mean, I know that there's not a lot of competition in that space,
but I think we're all doing the best that we can.
And so I do love it when I see their eyes light up and their minds blown
and they're just like, wait, what?
This is from the cannabis plant, you know?
And of course I talk about the whole gamut.
And yeah, so here I am
just trying to learn more. And I really appreciate the folks that get on this space. So thank you,
everyone. And yeah, actually, I'm excited that the Botanical Gardens here allows me to teach,
you know, hemp classes there since they had once upon a time grew hemp and were wanting that to happen
again here in the near future. So just every chance I get, I just try to educate people
from what I've learned and hope for the best, you know, that it just keeps going. So that's it.
Do you talk to people about the nutritional properties of the seed?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, when I was working at the farmer's markets, you know, I would bring
my hemp seeds, my whole hemp seeds, and also at the botanical gardens when I do my class,
I give them samples of it and I tell them all the great nutritional value as far as the omegas and the fatty acids
and all the, you know, yummy, um, vitamins and minerals that you get as well. Um, yeah. And
they love it. So speaking of hemp nutrition in Virginia, um, Scott, I don't know if you want
to come up and share, um, if you want to wait till next week, that's fine too. But I, I don't know if you want to come up and share. If you want to wait till next week, that's fine too.
But I think you have an exciting thing happening this week.
Let's see if we can get Scott up here.
Scott McStacey, he's going to also be at Harry's Workshop in Virginia.
Scott, can you come up and share a little bit? Just give us a
teaser. I know we got to schedule a space to get more into depth with the amazing, all the stuff
that you're doing, but I don't know if Paul's familiar with your project. Go ahead, introduce
yourself, everyone. Scott McStacey, definitely another great hemp building and industrial hemp
leader to follow. Yeah, so how's everybody doing today? Yeah, I'm out here in Virginia with Leandra.
We're both in the Virginia Hemp Coalition together, and we're really pushing this year,
especially as far as our upcoming, we have a governor's election coming up and
a lot of other things are going to be decided but the cannabis future in Virginia is going to be
really decided by this election coming up in November so we're working on some legislation legislation that would really separate industrial hemp from cannabinoid bearing
hemp and cannabis and kind of give it its own lane in Virginia because we've it's difficult
I'm a grower as well and it's just been very difficult because they they treat you the same
as they would a marijuana grower. And I hate to use the
M word, but you know what I mean. There's FBI background checks, there's fingerprinting, and
there's a lot of farmers that just don't want to go through that. And plus there's the chance that
your entire crop can get burned at the end of the entire growing season just because you may
be a week or two after a certain arbitrary point. So anyway, as far as things I've got going,
there's going to be some hempcrete workshops coming up in June near Richmond, Virginia,
the 14th and 15th and the 28th and 29th. It's two different weekends.
We're actually building a bathroom, a small hempcrete bathroom for an agritourism farm,
which they actually very much need. And that's going to be a really interesting project there.
going to be a really interesting project there. In May, two days before Harry is doing his big
thing in in Meharon, Virginia, there's going to be two days of hempcrete and not just hempcrete,
but hemp education. There are a number of people coming. I talked to Wendy this morning and she said to go ahead and talk about it now.
So there's going to be, let me see, Chris Penn, Mr. Hemp House is going to be there.
He's got a children's book about hemp.
Of course, Harry's going to be there and myself and Joy Beckerman will be on Zoom.
So those are going to be the 14th and 15th of May, the two days before Harry's big project and all that cool stuff.
So those are the big things coming up right now, you know, in the near future.
I'll also be at Texas Hempstalk, so that's going to be a lot of fun. I can't wait to see many of you guys there and really enjoy that experience.
So thanks for letting me talk.
No problem.
Thanks for doing what you do, Scott.
And congratulations on being able to teach.
I forgot what college is, but being able to teach a college course
about cannabis as a whole is major.
It's definitely what we need as a full industry.
I'm looking forward to that little mixer to say beforehand, before Wendy's.
And then, yeah, really, really thrilled about this install with running the sprayer and everything we may be bringing the urimer
and do a little spray demo as far as just to show what different methods we could
renovate because this is a renovation to an existing structure so we would be putting in our roman hemp block in between the stud bay
and then be spraying into that we put um you know some cross cross members to hold it in and
yeah we we're discussing that um like i said you guys know I've been testing that sprayer.
I wouldn't fully deploy it for a full job right now.
I mean, if I could change, if I have access to an electrical panel, I could do it. But getting the power for that, because it obviously is electrical,
and 220 volt each machine.
So we have transformers and stuff.
It was popping the 20 amp breaker.
So we need to get a generator big enough for that.
We do have a pretty decent-sized project actually coming up in Texas.
Darren probably ain't even here.
But anyone here that Nexium blocks, they are with wood chips instead of hempcrete.
And it looks almost identical.
But, you know, it's Portland, obviously, so it's a gray.
And I think they're interlocking blocks.
inter interlocking blocks and uh
there there is rebar and cement in it uh rock wool so i wouldn't you know i wasn't judging the
building with it but it is cool you know the building's built already and we're uh we've
been asked to plaster it so it's uh at least 20 000 square feet of plaster and interior so we're
going to be doing uh american clay um i think they're out in new mexico yeah which you know
is really good which is what we use and suggest as now now for, you know, before we do have a formula that we use.
But again, we're still just going to work out those details as we open up the manufacturing company.
There's the trials and tribulations you have to go through to really get what you want.
And I'm sure these mixes will be always advancing,
but you want to be able to offer the, you know,
best and tested right off the bat,
which that's what we've been doing behind the scenes as well.
I don't, not really that public with those, but it's,
the plaster really is a wonderful,
a wonderful thing. I like all around the world,
ancient Egypt, Rome, Mexico.
Rome, Mexico.
This was the original paint, the basic.
This is using Earth to decorate Earth, to live inside of Earth.
I'm excited that Mr. Hemphouse's child's book again, just spreading education.
All of us can write a book
we should all write a book
yeah but
anyone have anything
you know want to come up and say
what up Leandra I see you got your hand up
how have you been how was your week
hey Harry yeah it's been good and busy um I went to a uh Andrea, I see you got your hand up. How have you been? How was your week?
Hey, Harry. Yeah, it's been good and busy. I went to a Norfolk Housing Development and Infrastructure Symposium.
So that was really cool to be able to introduce that stuff. So I was really that pumped me up.
But I have a question for the folks here on the call and beyond, because one of my, I guess, essentially what I really like on my wish list and what I'm trying to compile as we speak is like a catalog of sorts for, you know, hemp based building material to include shipping and handling. You know, so for the folks that are further away than Virginia, you know,
that would be, I think, super helpful.
I know that there's a directory out there for the suppliers and whatnot,
but I don't know if anyone knew if there was a, like,
a catalog for the materials and such.
Like, and I know that people are being more innovative as we speak and coming out
with the boards, but yeah, I mean,
is that something that anyone would like to do or is there someone doing that
or, and if you have any info, if you could shoot it my way,
that'd be really helpful.
Leandra, I work with
Heptown on Maine in Medford, Oregon.
Okay.
And I'd like to give you the number of our office wizard.
All right.
Sounds good. Yeah. Evian Eta knows everything and everybody.
Okay. And if there is such a, if there is such a catalog, she will know about it.
Oh, perfect. Yeah. And she's just a delightful human being. I worked with
human being. I worked with Evian for about 10 years now. First, we were at the
Ebb and Flow Farm that I helped to start in Ashland and a beautiful regenerative cannabis farm there.
But now she's working with Hemptown on Maine.
And I posted the link to Hemptown on Maine in the chat today.
Okay, thank you.
But shoot me a DM and I'll send you Evian's contact info.
Okay, beautiful. I appreciate it.
Yeah.
She's very tied in with, with what's going on here in Oregon and,
and between you and, and she, you know, you'll have them surrounded.
Okay. I love it. Thank you. Yeah. And even those in mexico i think steven steve you're there maybe
um you know just some input would be great because i i am compiling something but
there's got to be somebody else doing it i'm sure at this point
sure yes uh whatever information we can help with but yeah um it's a bit hard on that sense
we can help with but yeah um it's a bit hard on that sense um i'm not sure i'm sure it would be
great if somebody would compile it but we can help you with like different um because there's
there are different suppliers out there and things which every day get a bit more standardized
and there are some fantastic products for finishes. Especially in these paints, you find a lot of, for example, different pigments, the mineral paints.
Yeah, absolutely.
Different clays and all that.
It's a bit more expensive, but you have a huge selection in terms of color palettes and these kinds of things.
Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.
Does milk paint, is that still a good paint to utilize with hempcrete?
I've seen that people have used it quite a bit.
Okay.
Yeah, Matt Marina would use it quite a bit.
So you could probably...
Yeah, milk paints, lawn days, definitely.
Yay with that.
Okay, yeah.
It's really nice, the work that they were doing
and the colors that they had.
And yeah, you can use milk paints, mineral paints,
clay paints.
There's a whole world. How was your event with Greg?
Actually, it's quite crazy. Right now, Hemp Town on Maine, it's Greg's foundation.
Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, what a small world. Okay, because I definitely want to
reach out to him and see if he could circle back to Virginia. He's the one that was part of that build out in Virginia Beach. And he's, you know, friends with Mike.
That's who I work with.
Oh, wait, you work with Greg?
Yeah, I'm going to see him on Monday morning.
I'm going to see him on Monday morning.
Oh, I love this.
Oh, good, good.
Because, again, I'm hoping to go ahead and kickstart this event here at the Botanical Gardens
and then, you know, have Mike and Belinda come out as a special guest, you know, to
talk about their hempcrete house and, you know, bring other experts in the field and
um and such you know to really well yeah it's it's good for you to to be in contact with greg
such, you know, to really, yeah.
and evian because um greg is really hard to to pin down he's so busy yeah and evian
evian usually has more answers than greg does uh for a lot of things because she's really just a dynamo.
And so I will make sure that you get her contact info.
And it'll be a lot easier for you to talk with Greg if she can coordinate it.
Sure, absolutely.
Because it's hard to pin down he's on the
go like he's at noco right now i just talked to him a couple days ago yeah yeah well we're back
at uh in medford here uh you know putting together products for shipment and there's a wide variety of uh things that he has access to
um and a vast knowledge of built you know construction and and and and did he have the
the hemp home with him there wade no i wasn't at noco i just talked to him a couple of days ago he
said he was he was at noco right i don't think he brought it i think it was a last minute thing he just
flew out real quick yeah that's that's what i thought too okay well uh it's apparently uh
in the future uh gonna be taking off like a rocket and it'll be good to network so that we can, you know,
all ships can be lifted on this rising tide. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Have you been to Virginia, um steve steven um yes a long time ago to um well i think it was next to virginia but
it was right on the border actually with um tom ross master a very long time ago okay
workshop out there with them and i'm sorry it wasn't Virginia. It was Vermont.
Vermont. Okay, yeah. North. Okay, gotcha.
Yeah, well, we're going to try to get you out here, too.
I would love for everybody to make it out to Virginia.
It'd be awesome.
Well, I love all this
networking.
Yeah.
Have you ever met Doug Flight?
He's in Virginia.
Oh, gosh.
I came so close.
I've been meaning to reach out to him.
Doug Flight.
Yeah, I thought he was in, is he West Virginia?
Like, is he the Wink and Son?
Wink and Son Hemp.
Wink and Son Hemp or something?
Yeah. Yeah, he's in West Virginia, but he does supply,
one of my friends has a shop over here.
He supplies them with some of his stuff.
I'm sorry, is that?
Okay.
He actually, they make some hemp shoes with some friends in Colombia that are made with
hemp soles.
I love it.
They're actually from Envirotextiles.
They actually made like a version which is like the Wu-Tang version.
Oh, the Wu-Tang Clan version?
Yeah, yeah.
That's awesome.
But they have like their contract with Nike and all these guys, so they had to take this Oh, the Wu-Tang Clan version? Yeah. That's awesome.
But they have, like, their contract with Nike and all these guys,
so they have to take their pictures down.
But it's a whole hemp boot.
So I don't know. He's a fantastic guy.
He's got access to textile from all over the world.
Yes, yes.
I would love to connect with him, actually, soon.
Yeah, I feel like, yes. I would love to connect with him actually soon. Yeah, I feel like...
I don't know if you do WhatsApp, but if you do, reach out to me.
Okay.
I can connect with Doug and with Greg.
Beautiful. Beautiful. Yes.
Okay. Absolutely. Thank you.
Okay. Absolutely. Thank you.
All right.
Leandra, for whatever it's worth, I've been slowly kind of compiling.
There's only a few in there, but when our experts recommend or refer a product,
I try to add the company to our link tree.
So there's a few companies in there under natural building materials.
American clay comes up a lot in the year.
The link to that is on there.
and if you find any other good ones,
I can add it to that,
but yeah, I think that's one of our goals.
There's a great company which is called Earth House Plaster.
Okay. Thank you. Earth House. Thank you. Earth House. Okay. Yeah. Cause I don't know what like
common practice is. For instance, you know, we have a construction company and then, so when we
want to bid on, you know, something and we have the proposal, you know, is it common practice to send out that
site plan to a manufacturer and get pricing? Or, you know, do I calculate it on my end and ask what
they can provide and then for how much, you know, those kinds of things are, I was, I'm hoping that
we, I know eventually we will come up with a more seamless, you know, way of handling things, but I don't know if there was something, you know, now, yesterday.
No, but you know what I mean?
the time and the money into actually getting the product and seeing you
installing it and seeing if it really gives you what they say it does.
Because a lot of times they tell you that the bucket is for 20 square meters
or 20 square feet, but it's at a certain thickness.
And if you don't have that tool or that skill,
then you might end up putting a bit more material.
So if you're really going to price it as a company,
I really recommend if you're starting that you do like a cube,
a square yard at a time or however you want to price it out.
If you're doing finishes, if you're doing walls and whatever you can you can do will give you an approximate.
Based on that, if you're finding contractors
or these kind of things,
but you at least have a baseline of what can be done.
And then certain skill obviously means a bit more price,
but they should be able to install it quicker or faster or these
kinds of things. Unfortunately, natural building is something that even normal building, even
conventional building, even though it's very standardized, but they're a bit tricky in the
way they sell. So I don't really recommend that you go by the technical data sheets.
They're very helpful, but the best is that you make your samples
and see how far you can get with the material.
And then based on that, you can start making your numbers as a company.
That makes perfect sense.
As a matter of fact, because I was thinking, okay, should I do it myself?
You know, get the material, you know, have our guys build it out and then, you know, cost, you know, create with that cost. And then that would be a comparison. That's exactly what I needed to hear.
you know guesstimate everything and um but just have a proper comparison i think to start off
with and then you know subcontract out the folks like like harry or you know whomever that's close
by um to come in and and work on on these projects for now um yeah yeah it definitely is a lesson
and i'm really learning a lot how to maneuver maneuver this. It is a whole ordeal.
It's a whole orchestration of numbers, time, and materials.
We can gladly help you with, I guess, pointing you in a direction,
but it really depends on where you're located and what's close to you,
what you can find, because there's a lot of materials available.
You have to remember when you're shipping find because there's a lot of materials available. Right.
You have to remember when you're shipping clay, it's extremely heavy.
So then the cost of shipping it, even though it's cheap buying it,
but once it gets to your door, it might not be as cheap.
So you just have to see what's – it's really more doing that scouting.
What do you have available?
Right.
What's like the closest lime stores that you have,
which I believe that there's a very big lime quarry
by where you are at in Virginia or very close to there.
I think it's North Carolina.
Yes, yes.
As a matter of fact, yeah, North Carolina,
Asheville is one of the first modern
Hemcrete homes built.
And I think that they do have some type of infrastructure there.
Yeah, and I definitely wanted to explore that.
I think it was Bruce Pearl in Hemping.
He started something down there as well.
Now he's doing more mushroom.
But nonetheless, I love it.
I love what he's doing.
I mean, I'm a mushroom person too. I mean,
that's my form of meat essentially,
but also you could build with it and do all sorts with mushrooms as well.
It's a whole other world. Right now we're doing some cooler replacements because they sell a lot of styrofoam coolers out over here by the beach.
Oh, nice. Great idea.
Yeah. because they sell a lot of styrofoam coolers out over here by the beach. Oh, nice. Great idea. Yes.
You can deal with whatever, but it's a friend.
He's doing the whole mushroom thing.
He's got the mold, so we sent him some hemp.
So hopefully soon we'll have basically the mushroom coolers that are combustible.
That would be so cool.
Yes, I will want one of those.
I'm at the beach a lot, so my kids, that would be so amazing.
As I say, people use the styrofoam here to make the concrete lighter.
Because normally they would just cast the whole thing out of concrete, but it's too heavy.
So what people do is they add, they call them cassettes, but they're basically big chunks of styrofoam that when they pour the concrete
basically takes the volume of the concrete to make it lighter more thermal but bringing those
styrofoams out into out here to the jungle to the ocean any movement any scrape that it has you know
it just it's the material just flies all over and that thing won't decay for like
when people say thousands a year so the idea of using mushrooms as a replacement for styrofoam
for packaging yeah these kind of applications for fridges computers because unfortunately
it's mass produced for transporting anything.
Yeah.
And really the mycelium needs something.
It needs a strong lignocellin-glossic fiber.
So once again, hemp is one of the best things you can feed it.
Yeah, for sure.
No, I love that. As a matter of fact, while I have it in my mind too,
mine too um and i don't know if anybody else would want to know this but um i was looking into years
and I don't know if anybody else would want to know this,
ago um you know an alternative to lime i mean because essentially it's the um sodium bicarbonate
correct and correct me if i'm wrong because this is not my lane but i've just been learning and found it interesting that coral has one of the highest outputs of sodium or carbonate, right?
And so, yeah. And so I thought, you know, why not utilize that in part to help, you know,
revive coral reefs, but also then use a portion of that towards, you know, a hemp binder even.
And then that would just in turn, I think, still be pretty sustainable and environmentally,
you know, mindful, you know what I mean? Like, so I don't know, is that something you have just,
have just you know looked into or because you're around a lot of water there too
you know, looked into or because you're around a lot of water there too?
yeah um i guess in the sense of the coral we try to just leave it
it's just the water has hammered it so much or the acidity of the ocean that
there oh i'm sorry i meant like um i'm sorry i meant like the labs you know how they have the
coral labs that they make uh uh-huh the um like the yeah but like the remainders but yeah in
you're correct you can completely use that material uh yeah burn it the same way that
you would burn the rock the calcium carbonate right they're they're made exactly from the
same thing yeah that's also why we use the water from from the area because it has a lot of
calcium and magnesium so it actually helps with the you basically have calcium
electrons which are free that move in the water they're basically soluble in water
yeah so we help them work quicker yeah i Okay, well, you just confirmed that again,
and I do trust your opinion, so I do want to talk more on that. It was something that I was,
like, kind of keeping hush-hush because I thought, nah, someone's going to think I'm just an idiot
for thinking that, but I feel like, you know, I think it's nice to have, you know, alternatives,
and if they're better, even slightly better, it's worth exploring, you know alternatives and if they're better even slightly better it's worth exploring you know so and sometimes you don't even have the option some people
don't have access to markets or to hardware store yeah yeah and the
alternative would actually be that you would have to grind the shells burn the shells make your calcium paste and with that
then you could add ashes that you would make from the burning of it there you go yeah
so it's that really is the idea that people learn how to build with it as a skill
and keep it as local as possible.
If you do it for yourself, when it's that kind of scale, it has no issue.
If we were going to industrialize something,
unfortunately, sometimes humans can be particularly greedy.
Yeah.
They would just take the whole beach, you know.
Oh, gosh.
Yeah, I know.
But hopefully at that point, you know, we could have some protections and whatnot.
Like, it would only be allowed to be manufactured if you, you know, if you do it, if it's lab made or something.
And then you give back to the reason, you know.
do the reefs, you know, that's, but I know someone's laughing like, oh, that's like,
But I know someone's laughing, like, oh, that's like, keep dreaming.
keep dreaming. But. Well, actually I was, I was thinking that there's the possibility that if you
feed the coral reefs, hemp seed, you can stimulate production of the reef and regenerate the wild fish populations.
I would definitely love it.
Fish love hemp seed.
Well, actually, you know what's really funny?
What's really funny is that hemp seed has been banned in international fishing competitions for use as a bait.
As bait? No way. competitions for use as a bait as bait no way because because because it is
considered an unfair advantage because they like it so much what i did not hear about that man
these people that you know who told me that is greg told me that oh no way greg told me that he's so funny i don't know if you've never
met him or had a conversation with him he's a delightful human being i love it encyclopedic
knowledge of of cannabis uh and he uh he told me that and then i started making uh aquaculture feed um with the hemp seed
that i nice yeah yeah it's very interesting i've got the coas on it it's really really good
do the koi like have you fed koi fish do they get get like super big? You know, I haven't fed any koi, but my sense of things is that the, you know, the marine ecosystems are in trouble.
For sure.
Because the, you know, the marine phytoplankton populations and zooplankton populations are plummeting.
hydoplankton populations and zooplankton populations are plummeting. And so to supplement
the natural food that's available to, you know, the marine ecosystems,
it might be necessary for us to start throwing hemp into the sea.
I'd be happy to.
That would be great.
The hemp tea party.
Well, the drones just so happened to get carried away by a gust of wind.
And they just went over the ocean.
And, you know, we really couldn't do anything about it they just i named my my drone service
um paladrone after uh the the tv show uh have gun will travel the guy that the cowboy's name
was paladin and so i named my drone service paladrone and my tagline is have drone will travel so um look for me on the
on the western horizon i may be in your neighborhood well i just so happen to know
of a whole bunch of acreage um in the mid middle of the u.. that a bunch of farmland that was recently acquired by a
psychotic
billionaire
that wants to plant, you know,
a whole bunch of GMO soy there.
You know.
I know he doesn't, he's not there.
He's not looking. He would not.
You have to give him the coordinates offline,
Milan.
Easily
Google-able.
Leandra,
if this helps,
when we bid
jobs, we're doing
$12 to $15 a square
foot for Lime
Blaster exterior, which, pretty much the basics.
Finish, scratch brown vinyl lime wash, which that lime wash could be pigmented any color, really.
And then there are great mineral paints out there, but obviously that would just increase the cost of material and labor
and then interior we usually start at five dollars square foot for the lime brown coat over
hempcrete walls but if you're doing the american clay or some type of clay which you know we do
have again you know our clay recipes to eliminate that you know extreme shipping
costs from American clickers obviously it's in New Mexico but um yeah so we
like again source of local materials always best but you like if you have a
construction company now getting clay over drywall is a math like that's pretty much the the unit that we're
about to do in texas here a month or so is oh like it's overall like it's the nexium blocks
i was talking about earlier we're doing lime plaster over that but then um clay all on all the drywall which three to five dollars a
square foot for installing the clay materials and labor um is extremely comparable to latex
and the difference is with the clay you really only need to do a level you know to finish you know i i did um just one coat i mean just i just
taped the seams with uh mud and tape and not they even cover screw holes and then clayed over it um
and then obviously you have those natural benefits fresh air inside and then
clay obviously deal is able to deal with the moisture and drywall being one of the
main things that collects moisture in conventional builds and molds, then we'll won't do that because the clay will be
pulling the moisture out of the drywall and putting it into the air. Okay. Yeah, ideally,
I would love to have, I mean, if people can come up with like different tiers also and pricing,
I guess, based on material, because it sounds like,
you know, you could do it one way and then another. And of course, when you talk about
this material and people aren't familiar with it, one of the first things they'll ask is pricing.
Oh, how much more is it going to be, you know, than traditional? Or I bet it's going to be a lot
more like, you know, that's what's going to stop me from buying it or you know things like that so I feel like if I could come up with you know two to three options for them to say hey okay this is
you know this is comparable to what is out there in the market traditional materials and building
you know concepts but then you have you know then you might want to do this instead to, like, use clay and keep the integrity
of, you know, the benefits of using hempcrete, but then, you know, might be five dollars more
or something, but in the long run, you know, just look at the benefits there, you know, the cost
saving for the temperature regulating, so easy on the, on the HVAC costs
and such. And then also repairs, right? I mean, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I know with
my friends with the Hemcrete house here, they're not having to constantly repair the house,
like for any bug remediation or, you know, bug like termites or anything really rodents.
They're not having those issues that you would traditionally have.
Yeah, that's a huge, huge thing to highlight is the life expectancy.
And of course, the warranty of the material yeah yeah oh sorry yeah yeah go ahead
oh no that's i'm sorry i was just saying that as um agreeing with you on that um but yeah and i'm
sure i mean it is a fairly new uh market so it'll take time to to get everything, you know, standardized, if you will.
But I feel like with the group here and the folks that are coming together, we should have a good size, you know, good amount of information to give people.
so yeah the i mean that's what i hope that at least like the ushba be like a directory of sorts
um which obviously that's all volunteer so as much as they could do they do um but that's gonna come with the advancement of the industry
like that's not really what we're dialing in ourselves as a company is our our our sops because
You know, this is still in infancy stages where it's still adapted and learning for new things.
you know this is still in infancy stages where
And that's really what gathered us at our building method is, which, again, that's the thing about natural building is everyone has their own different method and everyone has their own different mixes and
so being able to offer you know the pre-bagged stuff and consistency is the only way i think
it's going to be able to be mainstream but then there is going to be the artisan builders and, you know, do your servers that want to get, you know, dig up their own clay on their land and sift through it and use it because that's, you know, they do that all the time over in England.
And, you know, that's only do it in Mexico, too, Stephen.
Steven. I mean, they do it here. Keith did it in Georgia. I mean, I don't think that's the glory
I mean, they do it here.
Keith did it in Georgia.
of a natural building. Being able to use what you got around.
Yeah, I know we're way over time, but I jumped on late so I have all these questions but
I definitely hope we can maybe talk one day about um like utilizing bamboo and uh with hempcrete
um because I'm thinking um I'm putting a proposal together right now for like a
a garden shed for the botanical gardens where they utilize bamboo and hemcrete instead of, you
know, the four by fours and whatnot. So make it really a natural, you know, shelter structure,
you know, using just those materials. So essentially.
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of the bamboo framing and hempcrete together. That's a really interesting
combo.
Yeah, in the Philippines, I'm used to seeing what we call like nipa huts, right? And so right and so they're built with bamboo and coconut um hot uh coconut leaves and banana
um fibers as well and all like super all natural and then it's just amazing that you can
really build an actual nice house with it and walk in it and live in it right and so we kind of i
you know i just i didn't i thought that was more for like not so modern day use back then because you only see it in the provinces and whatnot and the farms.
But but really, you know, they're coming up with gorgeous, amazing architecture.
Just building with, I would say, like 99 percent bamboo.
Right. Like they just put it together, bend it, all that stuff.
put it together, bend it, all that stuff. It's amazing.
It's amazing.
Well, and you'd think it'd be easier to do,
especially like the dome houses or some of the,
those designs that lend themselves to, you know,
using something that's a little more flexible than a two by four, you know?
So I don't know, just, I'm not, again, not a professional.
So I'm just guessing here, but.
Nope, 100%, you know,
especially the new shelves and domes and these things,
you still need either a certain kind of structure,
something that you can bend.
And really bamboo is, it's fantastic for that.
Wherever you have it available, you know, cause it's fantastic for that wherever you have it available you know because
it's not so abundant in many parts but um it's actually in the structural code of california so
you can use it in the us it's just um it's not that easy or it's not grown as much but there
are some columbians that are shipping it over to the U.S. and it
has a good price.
It works fantastic.
We use it all the time. That's our
go-to material. I love it. I kind
of figured, okay.
We definitely need to reach out.
Yeah, if you want an expert on bamboo
framing, you definitely want to reach out to
Stephen. If you can see on my profile,
I just posted a pic. That's a framed uh tiny hempcrete home on wheels
that i did six years ago or so now oh wow okay yeah that so again bamboo framing is not for
the beginner you need an expert to guide you. I have a, you know, 40 years of building experience and I was an absolute rookie at it as where Stephen, you know, is an absolute pro at it.
So if you're going to do a bamboo, fly Stephen in, you know, have him help with the framing because it's worth it to do it right.
And to do it right, you need the expert.
Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Well, I'm glad I hopped on the call. Better late than never. Thanks, y'all.
Yeah. Stephen's website, Heaven Grown, is also in our link tree. Hi, Michelle. I don't know if we've had the pleasure of having you in the space
before. Maybe you are someone we know and you just changed your pick. But welcome to the Natural
Guild Guild. Thanks for you've been here listening for a while. Thanks for being here. Welcome.
Oh, can you guys hear her?
I can't.
Michelle?
No, I can't hear her.
Looks like she's an anchor host of the Prosperity News Network.
It's kind of cool.
Maybe drop down, Michelle, and pop back up because we're having trouble hearing you.
Let's try again.
I just invited you back up.
jeez one o'clock we're nerds
yeah
four o'clock here right i love it when the spirit moves
hey milan you know how you know how you start off off the thing with like playing Ziggy Marley sometimes?
Like with the whole, okay, that CD has been in my car like for years.
And I sing it with my kids and stuff.
So when I heard that, I was like, yes, like this is our tribe here.
You know, it's like Ziggy's been preaching it. They've all
been preaching it. If you
come right at 10 o'clock, you'll get to hear it.
I play it every Sunday.
Yeah, I love it. And I'm
glad you also turned me on
to that last artist
that was on there. Oh, Ayaterra.
Yeah, Ayaterra. I love Ayaterra.
I had not known they had a hemp song.
Oh, guys, I have a, you know I'm a true hempster. not known they had a hemp song Oh guys I have a
You know I'm a true hempster
I've got a whole hemp playlist
I thought I had them all
Scoured the internet
Every song ever written that mentions hemp
I want to know about it and hear about it
I've got
Oh my gosh you guys should check out
Some of these AI apps
That you can now make
I mean we're going, Michael,
he's one of the producers for Texas hemp stock.
And we've just been geeking out on some of these, this new tech coming out.
You can just make jingles and songs out of, you know,
just in two seconds prompt it and it'll even write the song for you. Just give it
some themes. So put some hemp stuff in there. There's some really fun stuff coming down the
pike. But nonetheless, you know, the people who really did it the hard way deserve some credit
too. So I've got a great list of artists. But I try to just, you know, the The Ayaterra's Well what do you guys want to hear on the way out
Ayaterra or
A different one
We'll have a vote and see what people want to hear
But thank you everyone
For joining
Michelle I don't know if we're
I've tried inviting you back up, but if we can't make it work, then maybe we'll just have to wait till next week to hear from you.
Looks like, wow, we had a lot of listeners today a lot of long listeners that's good
um all right well you're learning and sharing what we talk about we're wrapping it up it's a wrap
yeah yeah absolutely no i really appreciate this thanks for hanging out, everyone. Steve and Paul, I appreciate it. Nice to meet you, Paul.
Thanks, Milan and Harry. Be safe out there.
Okay, so we're listening to, we'll do Ayaterra then, Hemp Revolution.
Here we go. Alexa, play Hemp Revolution by Ayaterra.
Aloha.
Hold on.
She's being...
Alexa, play Ayatara
Hemp Cultivation.
Here's Hemp Cultivation.
Oh, it's Cultivation.
Cheeky.
Yes. Very nice
Wherever you're at
Get up and dance a little
Come on
It's not a revolution if there's not dancing.
I said, me calling, calling on me farm.
I was in California.
I said, me calling, calling on me farm.
I was living in a righteous way. I said, me calling, calling on me farmers Living in a righteous way
I said, my colleague Calling on me farmers
In other USA Because we have to grow the earth
Yes, we all gotta find us some peas on earth
Yes, I said, we plant A men a grow as many as a can.
Seen pop-a-land up come and try to rip it from me.
Hey, plant, they said it's not a part of this he play out.
Them men cannot understand that them no backwards progression.
And still them try to rely with aggression.
See when we a gonna teach them a lesson
The loving expression
Here with some love and affection
Love it. Teach them a lesson with loving
Wow, that was powerful
Calling on these farmers
Living in a righteous way Calling on these farmers our call. wow wow
in the righteous way you gonna be a farmer Peace on earth. body with ease them nourish i'm on senses and then save from disease
don't let them fool you for years them stay looking for a solution Our care is missing our pollution A Babylonian institution
We need a revolution
Yeah, yeah
A green revolution
It's a natural revolution
We need a green revolution
Yeah, yeah
That's what me call it. Calling all me farmers
in California.
Yeah.
I said me call it.
Calling all me farmers
living in the righteous way.
I said me call it.
Calling all me farmers
in the USA.
Because we have to grow the earth.
Yes, we all got finances. Calling army farmers in the USA. Because we have to grow the earth.
Yes, we are going to find us some peace on earth.
What a word!
Whoa, whoa, whoa, why?
Hey, what a word!
I need you.
Happy Sunday, everyone.
Hemp, hemp, hooray. Keep on hemping. Happy Sunday, everyone.
Hemp, hemp, hooray.
Keep on hemping.
Hemp's gonna save the day.
