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Building On The Otherside, ApeChain, Art Basel | Grateful Show #422
Recorded: Dec. 9, 2025 Duration: 2:08:40Space Recording
Short Summary
The crypto community is buzzing with excitement as Bitcoin and Ethereum hit new highs, signaling a bullish market trend. Partnerships and project launches are on the rise, particularly in the NFT and metaverse spaces, as Art Basel showcases the integration of digital art with blockchain technology. With ongoing fundraising efforts and innovative tokenomics, the landscape is set for significant growth and engagement.
Full Transcription
Are it some
Yeah, check it. Check it. Red man. Met the band. Lady luck. That's jam. Erica Parrish millennium ducats
Hold me down. Hold me down
Yeah, I grab the bike to grip it hard like it's my last time to shine
I want the chrome in the cream so like it's my last time to shine.
I want the chrome and the cream, so I put it down for mine.
Ill cat, slick talk, slain New York.
To break it down, straight English, what the fuck you want?
Remember me?
Punk, fat, and crab MC?
Get your shit broke and half and fuck on the ground with me.
And your strike tune, my style broken like the zoo.
Hey, you look bigger.
One more strike and clean.
Word is bidon, rock, escrow, boo, boo, and fat bidon. Every time I get my spit out, no doubt, one more strike you can. Wordy spit on, rock escrow, boo boo and fat fit on.
Every time I get my spit on, no doubt, I spark the crit on.
Step up, blast the track and spit his jewels.
He keeps cool, but leave for static, I strap tools.
Next up, yo I believe that's he.
Yo, get on the mic and rock the synth.
Yo P, time to rock, the sound I got.
It rains hot, make your neck snap back.
Like a swing shot, E-hustle.
I muscle my way in.
Then tussle for days in.
On my own with guns blazing.
Not for the fun of it, just for those who want me to run it.
And leave them like, ooh, done it, sucker.
I do what I feel right now.
When I spit the illicit, catch me like, wow, yo.
I get looks when I'm in the place.
That's that nigga making you smile with Scarface.
It ain't my fault that my style sick enough to shock ya hit you with the fifth block blocker if i get caught you can bet i'll
blow trial be downtown swinging and more peace style next up yo yo it's funk d.o.c yo you're on
the rocker symphony did you ever think you would catch a cat yo did you ever think you would get
a slap yo did you ever think you would get rocked? Yo, did you ever think you would get robbed?
At gunpoint, stripped and grown out the car?
It's Fonk, Doc, you know my name, huh?
My style, dirty underground, all your brain pump.
When it hits your pain pumps, Kool-Aid, through the vein and shit.
Snatched the trap and the dash like they did.
Doc walked in, ran, lost the shell shot.
Hell, like the fucking boss and them shot.
Hell yeah, everybody. Today's gotta be another banger! Oh my god! I can't wait!
We still have two more minutes of intro guys! And one mixtape! You know if you know this song you remember probably
And one mixtape baby! Oh those were the times I was breaking ankles all over the place!
Let me get Machiavelli here on stage! We're going to be talking about building in the other side.
It's going to be really exciting.
Can't wait.
Also, we're going to be talking about Art Basel
because I know Squid and Machiavelli, they both were there.
And it was insane.
It was insane.
NFTs are not dead.
Also, guys, I pinned the badge.
You can guess the code right now.
It's probably harder right now for you,
but you will figure it out.
I will share the code in like five minutes,
trying to get Machiavelli here.
Also, I see Tino down there.
So I'll bring him here.
And guys, we still have two more.
Oh my God, Machiavelli is connecting.
So maybe bro, leave and come back
because X is rugging as crazy these days.
But yeah, let's make...
Tino, what's you doing down there?
I also see ABP, another legendary guest.
And if you look at ABP,
maybe that will help you to figure out the code.
I don't know.
Maybe.
Who knows?
Let's fucking go.
Retweet the space, guys.
We need more retweets.
Bookmark the space.
Comment whatever you need to do.
And Machiavelli, you need to leave and come back
because you're still connecting something weird happening.
The buildings that I was hustling from
that called the police on me
when I was just trying to make some money to feed my daughter. And all the niggas in the struggle. You know what I'm saying? you're still connecting something weird happening. on my wall every Saturday rap attack mr. magic molly mall I let my tape rock to my tape pop
smoking weed and bamboo sipping on private stock way back when I had the red and black lumberjack
with the hat to match remember rapping dude the hard the hard you never thought that hip-hop would
take it this far now I'm in the limelight cuz I run tight time to get pain blow up like the world's trade born center the opposite
of a winner remember when i used to eat sardines for dinner pizza rd pcb kick it free
fuck master flex luck buck star ski i'm blowing up like you thought i would call a crib same number
same hood it's all good oh yeah and if you don't know it's not your nose uh
Hell yeah everybody this is great for show 422 let's go baby gmgm everybody so hyped to be here what a beautiful tuesday and we have such a great
topics today i'm so excited about it i've been recently recording videos about uh challenges
in the other side and i'm loving it it's so so much fun i'm level 24 right now and i see some
mfers there are almost 40 which is absolutely wild uh makavel, I'm still trying. I'm still trying to get you here.
I don't know what's going on there.
Let's see if that works.
But Tino, how are you doing, bro?
What's good with you, man?
Yo, GM, GM, I'm doing good.
I couldn't contact you either.
It was acting really weird.
Hopefully everything works out today.
And I'm doing fine.
You made my day with playing B.I.G.
because it's currently my six-year-old's
favorite MC and we're listening to the history of hip-hop and everything like that.
So glad he doesn't speak English bro. Yeah, I keep translating, he does actually so he's
he's trying and it's pretty funny sometimes what he... I'm using a censored version, that's Alpha.
So I'm all the songs. He loves Eminem right now as well a lot.
Some of the tracks don't even have censored version.
So it's pretty funny though, our rights to school, but I love that man. How are you?
Man, I'm doing great. I'm really having fun.
Can't wait for more announcement
about the new features that are coming to other side i know something is coming for sure tomorrow
the bayc star is opening the 24 7 star is gonna damn machiavel i'm still trying bro i don't know
what to do man uh yeah it doesn't work i don't know what's going on there and uh man i remember
when i actually printed out a few lyrics
and I brought it to our English class when I was in elementary school, bro.
And I really didn't understand what it is saying, right? And I brought it and the teacher was like, what the hell is that?
Yeah, it's cool. It's also when we were small, of course, when we were rapping like phonetically.
So what you heard, you were just singing.
And it's pretty funny right now to see that some of the words he's going exactly
and some of the words he's just kind of making up.
It's so funny.
I really love that we're going through different waves of hip hop.
And he's really interesting.
As I said, Eminem is right now the number one.
And he dresses like him.
He goes in a gray hoodie to school.
It's pretty funny.
Yeah, and we had some fun yesterday with Grateful Ape.
We went to a basketball game, which was pretty cool.
And it was fun because we had courtside seats.
It was not an NBA fan seat, but it was uh it was fun because we had courtside seats was not an nba fancy courtside seats but it was still fun right it was great man it was great but it was crazy that so many
injuries happened during such a like you know one game it was insane man like one guy he really
messed up his knee the other guy uh he the other guy uh he he concussion. It was crazy.
Yeah, it's so crazy to see it from such a close, you know, like from close.
So it's, and you were filming one of those, the knee injury, right?
Yeah.
Accidentally filmed that.
It was wild. the knee injury, right? Yeah. You accidentally filmed that.
It was wild.
But yeah, last game I saw was actually in Miami during the...
When was that?
Yeah, maybe three years ago.
There was an NBA game and there was Floyd Mayweather in the first row.
And now basically we were Floyd Mayweather in the first row,
but there were like a thousand people maximum.
So different level.
Yeah, but it's still good. Eating popcorn and just being there upfront. It's cool.
Having paparazzi been taking pictures of you. So I docked great for ETH yesterday.
Yeah, he did. But guys, crypto is pumping. So it's absolutely crazy. I don't know what's going on.
I don't know what's going on.
If I'm looking at it right, Bitcoin over 94, getting 295.
ETH almost 3,400.
Let's fucking go.
This is how we like it, right?
Squiddy, the legend, my basketball co-host, the Gaming Ape Show host.
How are you doing, bro?
What's good?
Miami.
Partying in the city where the heat is on.
A night on the beach until the break of dawn.
Something of the like.
What's up, Grateful?
Episode 422.
Happy to be here with the fam.
Yeah, man.
Just chilling.
Doing the thing.
I've got a lot more time on my hands.
Very excited about.
Yeah, man. It was great to see some peeps in Miami. Crypto's pumping. I didn't even know that. That's good to know. This is why
I come on to the Grateful Show. I come for the Alpha. Playing a little blackjack on 8 Church
in the background and hanging out. Excited for an incredible show. Excited for an incredible show.
I'm here for the Art Basel incredible show i'm here for the art basil
talk i'm here for anything else we really got going on so uh you know this is my favorite space on x
man love it and also our basil look great for digital art nfts it man it looked really good
it will look really good i was there only in 2022, which was absolutely madness, you know, with all the events.
Like, you know, Yuga also had their event there.
And I remember that Porsche, it was before their NFT drop.
So they had a venue there with Porsche.
I put my sticker on the car and they were really pissed.
But, you know, it is what it is.
And what else we got oh g money
dropped the iteration two there right so it was it was wild i also met people there so it's great
that it's great to see that uh digital art still has a place there and i think it was it was big
this year right so uh can't wait to to hear more damn it sucks that machiavelli can come here
because he also experienced some crazy stuff there but man you know it is what it is
got to spend some good Machiavelli time
always anytime
I get to spend with Machiavelli is time well spent
I know I can imagine man
Miami is a vibe especially
during winter man like it's so cold
and dark here that I wish I
could go there
I'm excited to be back for good in the Miami It's so cold and dark here that I wish I could go there.
I'm excited to be back for good in the Miami area.
Because we've got this little clubhouse coming too, allegedly.
Which, you know, we got to be here for it.
Oh, 100%, man.
100%. I'll be going.
Like, just waiting for opening.
I've applied to be the butler.
We'll see how my application goes.
Put me in a little suit and tie.
I'm so excited.
That's going to be amazing, man.
Guys, time to claim the code.
If you want to get the code,
we're going to be also talking about the banter campaign.
Of course, OpenPage is one of the partners.
If you get a batch you're basically
doing transactions on the chain and you get a you get some kind of multiplayer multiplayer we
gotta be talking about it um i think i'm number two right now after the um i'm just below the the
adam weitzman which is great i love it uh to be honest i'm not sure if i want to win it because
everyone was complaining like grateful is is always winning, right?
People were pissed.
So I will wait till maybe last week and then I'm going to do final push and win.
But Gatsby is doing crazy work.
His personal multiplier is almost 23, which is insane.
He's crazy.
He's been clicking like 24-7 probably.
Number one, Adam Weitzman.
I'm number two.
Number three, Frosties.
Number four, Garga., number five Gatsby.
Yeah, we're gonna be talking about it, I have some tips for you how to actually make it to the top,
because I see few mistakes that everyone is doing and yeah, we need to fix those.
To claim the badge guys, because we have ABp here and to honor our guests the code for
the badge is mega coda yeah it's simple mega coda yeah because look at that look at that beautiful
beautiful coda that he has as a as a pfp absolutely love it so claim the badge and uh let's fucking
go abp welcome here super happy to have you here can't wait to talk about other side because you are other side legend hey good to be here good to talk to you grateful hey man see a lot
of faces here that uh yeah always good to see I cannot wait man because I really enjoy spending
more and more time in the other side and you are crazy with uh whatever you have in your wallet with this
beautiful mega coda oh my god can't wait to learn more about how it's been cooking what you've been
cooking and if you can give us also some tips you know what to buy because i've been buying i'm not
a whale i wouldn't call myself a whale but i think i have 28 deeds three codas just the small ones
you know not the mega you know that's also like bad. I should get a bigger ones, but it is what it is, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I've been collecting obviously since Mint and I guess it really just depends on what you want to do.
Like, what are you looking to do on the other side?
You know, everyone's saying they want to build something.
And it's been really interesting since, you know, setting up the studio at 369.
You know, we've had a lot of people reach out to us and say, you know, we want to build this,
or we want to build that. And we're hearing, you know, all kinds of different things. So,
you know, and people that also hit me up, like, what kind of deeds should I have? Or should I
buy a Coda instead? Well, what do you want to do? You know you know like what do you what are you looking to do on
that other side and that's going to be a big part of it basically that's tino here on stage he's
been like should i get a mutant should i get a coda i don't know uh like of course you need
coda you know like if you don't have coda like you need coda right yeah i mean they've always you
know put it up there that coda is going to have some special ability
you know they've obviously done in the nexus they had some gated area then they have another area
for megas um so obviously going to be some kind of multiplier something that they can do that's
going to have a special effect on the other side so most certainly um if you have a i mean if you
have a mutant you have an ape there's right as right now, there's no real reason to have multiple ones for the other side.
So, Tino, you know what it means, right?
I'm silent, yeah.
Go there, go there and get some.
I love Kodas.
The art is incredible.
And also, it's funny because heavy metals are bridging to ape chain.
And I haven't seen them for a while right and
when I checked them today while I was bridging them the art is also insane insane of course some
people when I when I tell them like vote for vote they are a little bit nervous right but
I'm happy that Adam actually took over and and Gabe and we will have some fun. So absolutely love it. Also, guys, because I see Maria in the audience,
if you hold a duplicator by Doodles
and you applied in Discord,
you should go to Magic Eden and claim your free Doopie.
I did it.
You should do it and don't miss that window.
Let's quickly say hi to Shiba Kink and then we get into the building in the other side.
Shiba, how you doing man, what's good?
Hello, I seem to walk into the wrong bar.
No, just kidding, I wanted to come say hi.
I'm happy everybody had a good time in Orpazel, a lot of good things came out of there, lovely
weather I heard which is nice, you guys escaped the cold especially if you lived in the Northeast. I wanted to come hear Machiavelli's beautiful voice but unfortunately he's not here today, that sucks.
But it's good to see you, Grateful, and Hino and everybody else. What up Squiddy?
Let's go. We tried to get Machiavelli back man, he shared a few experiences yesterday in Squiddy's
space and it was great so I'll try to get him back, I'll DM him but I don't know Twitter is
rugging it's it's crazy man it's crazy but yeah man I know like our Basel is it was so good in 2022
so I really have to go next year I really I wish the next savefest would be maybe a week before
our Basel so we can I don't know man because vegas
was also great who knows but abp man let's get into the into the building and maybe if people
don't know you could you could you just give us your short story how did you end up here buying
so many deets and quotas and mega quotas and uh you know why why why you like those yeah absolutely
so uh i guess yeah like so I started with Mint.
I mean, I kind of had some goals, right?
First, it was kind of like, all right, I just want to like maybe collect every artifact, you know, kind of start off like that.
Then I was like, well, maybe I'll start off, maybe I'll also collect every environment.
That would be kind of nice.
And, you know, as more information came out, then it was kind of like, well, I'm going to need some codas to go with this.
more information came out then it was kind of like well i'm gonna need some codas to go with
this and then they had the game legends of the mara so you needed a bunch of codas that had
different kinds of abilities um weapon codas versus non-weapon codas so it really started
just kind of you know legends of the morrow was a big part of you know the coda strategy at the time
of why i have what i have um weapons were more powerful they had different abilities
you could combine them and um they would they would be effective in that way um and then now
yeah now i have a strategy around resources so i have every single resource in the game there's 74
um you know different resources there's 60 rare resources's 28 deeds. I got a chaos deed a couple weeks ago.
So with all of that, the idea is for me, not only to be a trader on the other side,
be it from a marketplace standpoint, but maybe even have a business that would be centered around
the other side. There's a lot of people that kind of have that idea.
How could they, you know, collect ApeCoin on the other side?
How could they build a little game or something on the other side?
So it could be that.
And also you're going to need resources.
And then obviously there's going to be a resource game.
So, you know, I feel like I've got a little bit of everything
and it's just been building, you know, for the last few years.
I love when you mention goals because I also always think about what to buy and how to create and curate my portfolio, right?
So I was always looking at sediment.
So I wanted, I don't know if it's clever or not, but I always wanted to have like chemical goo or biogenic swamp. Right. And I also tried to get all environments, which I haven't finished yet. That's my goal. And of course, like chaos and acid, those are the tough ones.
And I was always looking at the tier that I wanted the bigger ones, which might sound really bad right now, but I'm talking about deeds, you MFers.
No, not necessarily. You know, when it comes to tiers, right? So you have tier five through tier one. They say the swamp is about the size of a tier five. That was the word anyway. And then you have your sediments, you know, one, two, three,
and that might be how fast the nodes, you know, spawn for your resources. We don't really know,
right? All speculation. But obviously three is better than one and five is better than one. So
you know that you're getting some kind of value or premium there. When I look at deeds, I think you have to, you really, you know,
there's been a lot of speculation, especially since ApeFest, about what are resources going to do?
Are there going to be seeds? Are they going to be able to plant them? Are you going to be able to
move your resources from deed to deed? Are you going to be able to collect seeds and then plant
them? Like, what are you going to do with all the empty spaces on the deeds? So there's all these kind of ideas
of what, you know, are you going to put a building there? Are you going to put an object there? Are
you going to put a silo or some kind of manufacturing? So what kind of value can you
create from your deed? And obviously, if you have a tier five, you're going to have more room
to create more value over time.
And ultimately, that's what you want
out of any land, right?
Location's important.
How you create value's important.
And I would like to think
that those empty slots
that are on those deeds,
in some way, they will allow for you
to create value over time.
But yeah, I would definitely think that a tier five is going to be
better unless you manually have to walk around everywhere
and collect your resources. Then it could be a lot of work and a lot of time.
So hopefully there's a better way to do that.
Man, I absolutely love the idea that there's going to be, and I really hope
for that, there's going to be other side economy, right? That you will be able to build and have a business there. A lot of people are hoping for that. I see Baron here. He was the one with Nana. They started other space, right? Since I think it was before NFT NYC 2022, I think, right? So it was like summer 2022 or maybe even earlier after the other side drop.
Oh my God, time flies.
And they talk a lot about it.
So let me quickly say hi to Baron.
Baron, welcome here.
You're such a legend.
How are you doing today, man?
Yo, good morning.
No, just always here to hang out and support you, man.
It's fun to hear your voice when I'm waking up in the morning.
It's kind of crazy.
I think back to OtherSpaceFM, like that started from the second trip i think and it was like because
people were trying to go in but not everyone could get in so we were like someone started
spaces so you can like tell us what's happening because like we can't see or we can't get in it
you know and it was like the community helping each other out that way and then grew into all
these different things but it's exciting that that way and then grew and do all these different things.
But it's exciting that things are getting closer and closer and closer.
But what's on my mind right now is the Essentials store opening this week, guys.
So just get excited for that.
That's going to be sick.
But I'm going to throw it back to you guys.
I'm just here to support and listen.
Can't wait, man.
Tomorrow, right?
Is tomorrow the 10th?
Oh, yeah. Tomorrow's the 10th oh yeah tomorrow's a
town let's go let's go that's the alpha guys that's the alpha so let's let's get
back into the other side we have so many legends here also squiddy I think he's
also ready for the other side and and he want to bring his fisters there. So, oh shit, maybe, yeah, it's not public, right?
Okay, sorry.
So ABP, could you share with us what have you built so far?
How is the ODK and how do you think about the experiences, right?
Because we already had a chance to experience something.
We had curated trips, we have challenges, we have other games.
So how do you think about it? What's the future of these experiences through your point of view?
Right, so I partnered up with 369, who I'm sure a lot of you have seen his posts, and he's been
working on a parkour game for quite a while, and he's really been testing the odk to see exactly
what it can and cannot do um in unreal and um some of the some of the odk is upgraded all the way
um for unreal and some parts of it like avatar you know is going to remain consistent isn't going
to be all the way upgraded right so there's going to be some things that you just can and cannot do
based on the
version they currently have and who knows if they'll upgrade because that could cause all
kinds of problems and glitches and setbacks which none of us want so when we look at games what
we're having happen is we're having people reach out that are saying hey i want to build just some
little carnival game right and what we're doing is we're saying, okay, what do you want it to do?
Oh, I want it to, you know, be able to pop balloons with a dart,
and I want to do this, and I want to charge an ApeCoin,
and I want to be able to put that on my deed.
Like, okay, well, let us test that.
So we make little demos for them, and we make like a little demo video,
and we test out to see, well, can that be done?
You know, is this possible?
What would that look like?
How much, how many hours would that take to do?
And so far, the ODK has been great.
It's really easy to work with.
You get all the assets for all the deeds.
You can download all the assets and you can upload them.
And so we have all the assets to work with.
We know what everything looks like. You can obviously bring in your own assets and make them as well um you see mikey doing that
a lot um and then we'll get bigger you know ideas we have a lot of really companies with much bigger
concepts you know like first person shooters that want to take up the entire deeds zombie games
um you know and we can do all that.
So we've tested, we've built out demos for zombies, we've built out demos for almost
say everyone who's come to us because obviously a lot of it's confidential.
But if, you know, a lot of the, if you're a company on there and you want to, you just
have an idea, right?
Like doesn't even have to be a full concept.
A lot of people right now just want quotes, right?
I was talking to someone, you know, I said, this is a lot like, you know, building a website in 1999.
You'd go to, you know, people would be like, well, why do I need a website?
You know, I have the yellow pages.
What am I going to use that for?
Who's on the internet?
And then by like 2001, everyone's like, okay, I need a website.
I need it now. And I want this and I want that. And they'd be 2001, everyone's like, okay, I need a website. I need it now.
And I want this and I want that. And they'd be like, but how much does that cost? And no one
knows, right? If you want a six-page website, it's a couple thousand bucks or something. Today,
it's 20 bucks. But if you wanted a full-blown shopping cart with 100 SKUs, you could be charged
$100,000 for something like that.
So it's, that's kind of how it is right now.
You know, it's really hard to, you know, it's like scope, scale, you know, how big is it? What do you want it to do?
And then obviously upgrading features.
So it's hard to quote, but we're really listening and we're excited to hear all the different
ideas people are bringing to us. That's right man because Bathroom Blitz and Outbreak they were built on ODK2 right is
that correct? Yeah so you can you can build many different activations and games and I also think
it's very it's very hard to predict what's not hard but you know
the best way to actually see if it works or not is actually to experience it and i see it with
different challenges some challenges are really like i really like them and some challenges in
in the nexus are like oh yeah i finished it but i don't enjoy it enjoy it that much
right and i think you know it's it's it's fundamental in building a game to
find that loop what what is that thing that makes you want to come back and not just play it once
but play it again and again or maybe do a speed run or maybe you know it could be a prize pool
could be something like that but what is that thing that goes i could do better the next time
oh i could do i know i could do better oh i want to learn how to use this weapon or i want to use and i want to try this route you know what what makes it unique and cool thing
about you know the latest unreal update as well as the ai you know i know a lot you know people
talked about that but we're building some games right now um you know that use ai that will so
let's say like you're on your other deed, right? And you're, and you
have a structure, maybe an obstacle course, a game or something like that. You can use AI to say,
look, every time someone comes back, I want these features to be a little bit different. And I want
this to be in a little bit different area. And the AI will know that you can still run this course,
but it'll be different and it'll be enough variations that you can still run this course, but it'll be different.
And there'll be enough variations that you could run it a hundred times.
So it would always be different.
So it keeps it really fresh and different.
You know, so that's exciting.
We've been really playing around with that concept.
So your business is also to build in the other side for others?
Yeah, so we're doing two things.
We're building our own games.
And, you know, we're talking to ApeCoin and Yuga
and we're going to build a game for them, at least one.
We have about 10 ideas.
So we're working on one right now that we're pretty far along on.
And then also, but avatars or you need really anything.
We have people come to us like, hey, we need a 3D avatar collection.
We're like, all right, you know, we work with other people and we're going to start hiring
more people as well.
We're talking with some really talented visual artists.
You know, Nexus really set the bar.
You know, you look at Nexus and you go, okay, this is the bar.
This is what we have to live up to now and this is what
you guys expects okay so now we have to we have to live up to that and um so we're excited to do
that so yeah so visual arts are born so you know 369's got programming now some visual people
bring in a few others and yeah it's uh we plan on plan on doing it all.
I was checking the numbers of
players in Fortnite, for example,
and I think it was like
something like maybe even a million
players playing at the same time.
Is that possible? Or something like half a million
players? Crazy numbers, right?
Not actively right now, but yeah, I think they're
on a release day of new things.
I think right now
they have a troll game
mode that has almost a million people playing
that. It's doing so good. 800k on that.
They have over a million right now. 800k on that,
250k on zero
build, and at least 300-something K on the
other mode. They got an active
million people weekly
basis in that game for sure. That's crazy number like it is absolutely crazy number. ABB how do
you think we we can get I'm not saying 2 million but how do you think we can scale to reach more
and more players what's gonna be the the most important milestone to actually achieve that?
be the the most important milestone to actually achieve that yeah yeah i mean like obviously
everyone wants to find that hit game you know fortnite or something that just hits right with
the right demo um you know be desktop and mobile would help obviously to achieve those types of
numbers um but uh as far as as far as growing that i mean
that's just going to take time i think it's it's and it's also going to take a community effort of
building really interesting things um you know we build these games we think of two things when
we're talking i'm talking about 369 we're like well we can build this game in three weeks and
have it out but that's not going to be like the you know the greatest game of all time or we could spend a few months and this is going to be better and it's going to be a lot more you know exciting to be visually better you know so it's how much time do you want to take how much money is that going to cost what is your scale scope so all those things you really have to take into account, and then you have to update it, right?
So Fortnite, it's like updated all the time.
These games are constantly updated, keeping fresh.
So it's a lot to reach that scale.
I do think mobile is going to have to be a big part of it.
That's where a lot of kids are obviously playing mobile,
so that's going gonna have to be
somewhere in the mix along the way for sure. Can't just be Unreal with no mobile.
Yeah, mobile is 100% the alpha, right? That's so much easier to play the game. I know Tino,
he's like, damn, I need to play on mobile because he has only one computer for the whole family
and when his wife is doing emails,
you know, he can't play.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
But, you know, do you also have any questions?
Go ahead, bro.
I had to roast him a little bit.
Oh, maybe he's rugging right now.
What's going on?
I'm not, bro.
I'm just quiet.
Yeah, but, you know, also this is such a good community like yeah try see tropical down there like you know he's he's been awesome you know giving just tutorials and advice and streaming
things and been learning watching him on the ODK uh getting ideas on how to build things and he's been really really open to like just, you know, asking him like, hey, do you have a
half hour that I could just pick your brain or you could show me some things?
And 369, you know, same thing.
Like, so, you know, no one knows everything.
You know, we all have to ask questions and it's going to be a learning process.
I do hope that, know i don't know
anything about this but i do hope that yuga releases something that's maybe easier for
people to build on that doesn't require so many blueprints and c plus plus knowledge and um it is
it is a it is kind of a you know an overwhelming thing if you've never done it before or taken a
tutorial so if there's
a way they can really release something for the masses that would be a little more for the layman
i think that would be i think that would really help um boost people building on deed right away
and get people on board um so that's something i'd really like to see and i don't know maybe
that's something they're working on i think we had a discussion here last
time about the the coda ai somebody called it that way and quoted uh and and uh and rita was uh was
bit furious uh against that uh but about the name i mean but i think that's the that's what they are
building as far as i understand that we can uh basically use the AI just to come up with ideas and it will help us create
to the retards as us who don't know how to code don't know how to how to use some of the tools
that you just mentioned unreal engine and and so on uh can i ask you abp so how does it currently
work so there are some odk ODK people who are already building.
What's the current support from you, Gaur? How do you communicate? How does it work? How should we imagine it?
Yeah, so there's a couple gatekeepers over there that, you know, basically, you know, you can, I think initially you start with an application.
You could fill out an application, kind of give them your work experience,
your knowledge of it, and what you want to do.
And they approved a few people.
And now that Nexus is out, they're approving more and more people.
Some people had assigned NDAs, that type of thing.
But James is a person that is a top engineer over there.
And he's a good contact, very busy, obviously,
with all the avatars he's putting out there.
But there's a few people that, yeah, we're in contact with.
And then also, you know, the question is, like,
when we get this game done,
there's a lot of questions that are still unanswered that maybe a lot of you haven't even thought of.
And this is why, you know, if you do want to have a game come to us,
because there's a lot of things you probably just over your head,
like for example, you know, Fortnite or something like there's a revenue share,
right? If you make money on your deed, you get a lot of it,
but you don't get all of it. What's Yuga split going to be?
Or right now, Fortnite, if you want to build a game, they host it.
They pay all your hosting fees.
You just said it's 800,000 people
or someone has a hit game with 100,000 people.
Well, who's paying for that?
You're going to pay hosting fees for 100,000 people
for your deed to be open 24-7?
What do you think Nexus costs?
Nexus is probably pretty expensive to keep up 24-7.
Are they going to host 100 000 leads
um for 20. you might have to pay something i don't know none of those details have been out um but
these are all things you're gonna have to think about ongoing cost of a game that you might put
up or uh build yep those are 100% great questions.
I'm curious how much it is to host Nexus, right?
Is it like hundreds of dollars a day, thousands?
I don't know.
Depends how many people are on there, for sure.
And yeah, I don't know the answer to that, quite honestly.
And I'm sure that's why they haven't released any information for us,
because they're still probably trying to figure it out.
What's it going to take?
And if it goes down, who's going to put it back up?
And if it needs to scale because you're going to have a big event on the weekend,
who's going to be responsible for that?
Like, there's, you know, how is that going to work?
So these are all questions when people come to us with games
like we just don't have all the answers quite yet but our communication with yuga is that
that is in the pipeline very very soon um that they will have some of that information and
um we're excited to get it that's awesome man can't wait for that guys we have a badge that is minting on ape chain
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i absolutely love that it's me and tino and behind us is a portal in the other side.
Or is it Stranger Things?
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And please, read me the space.
If you have any questions, drop them into the comments.
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And ABB... Oh, we got Honeybee.
So Honeybee, can you quickly spell Megacoda for us, please?
Oh, shit. Are you ragging bro I cannot hear
anything oh my god
we got you we got you
alright
Megakoda
M as in mommy
E as in enter please
G as in
god damn it A as in asshole K as in enter please G as in god damn it
A as in asshole
K as in
kitty
how the fuck do you spell
O as in oh my
god B as in
dong sock A as in
anal
oh my god love it no one does it better
than honeybee guys I absolutely love
the spelling thank you so much man
and super happy to have you
here on stage talking about other side
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Yeah, let's say hi to Tropical, another legend, another builder in the other side with also
incredible voice.
Tropical, how you doing, man?
Hello.
Good to be here.
Thanks for bringing me up.
How's it going, guys? Really happy to be with you all. I saw the topics building on other sites, so you know how to dip my what he's building and working on with 369. So shout out to them.
You know, I've been kind of keeping a close eye on like other builders, you know, as in,
you know, building, developing with ODK, servicing people, you know, like reaching out, connecting
with folks, you know, encouraging them to build on other side.
You know, I'm really excited to see people like that more and more, you know encouraging them to build on other side you know i'm really
excited to see people like that uh more and more you know because it's something i'm definitely
trying to do myself you know like you know people have also reached out curious about building you
know on other side and uh it's it's been really interesting these past like maybe month or so
the like there's been an uptick on the amount of like people curious like
how to build another side or how to activate onto other side um and nothing give you know brings me
more joy than seeing that because like you know more people building more worlds more games you
know more things to do um you know we'll have a much healthier looking, you know, playscape, you know, for all of us to enjoy.
But at the same time, it's like, you know,
you were asking Grateful Dead earlier to ABP,
like, what does it take?
You know, like, what do we do?
What do we build?
What do we make to bring people over here?
And I'll be honest, until we get that, you know,
next big game, kind of the way ABP was saying,
you know, whatever that might be
you know the next fortnight so and so i think the next best thing is just like community and like a
place to like fit in you know just like there's so many online places that you can just tap in
and tap out you know like you can jump into a space and then walk out of that space and you know
you'll leave you know with no trace behind no troll, you know, you'll leave, you know, with no trace behind, no troll behind, you know, but you'll stay if something really captures your attention or if you feel comfortable or if you can, you know, speak your mind and relate.
all kinds of qualities, styles, you know, game types from the social, you know, from a single
room with nothing to do but conversate to like the most complex, you know, MMO or whatever you
could think of maybe right in the future, we'll see something more complex. But up until then,
even simple experiences, I think are impactful. So, you know, I say to those who are maybe
thinking about building and maybe
nervous to come out about it, or maybe they feel like they won't be able to like make an impact.
You know, I'd say you would be surprised. Right now, I don't think the space is like critical.
You know, I don't think anyone here is running around saying, oh, you know, like, you know,
I can't do this in the game. So this game's trash i'm out like we don't really have that kind of culture here right now you know i
think everybody's just hungry you know i think any proof of concept any game any anything right
like just the way abp was saying like oh we built a concept they want to see something we show it to
them right there's no point to go you know especially hard right now you know you can
if you wanted to but there's still a lot of room to experiment and fuck up and and do something
silly and stupid you know like why not you know i honestly think that's a little better because
it's more honest it's more open um and i think people would come to it you know like with less expectations which i think
overall is a better thing um you know it's just you know there's less to hold on to to be critical
about it more of like okay this is a vibe this is an experiment and we're here to have fun and test
it and you know i think there's one another aspect of this that I find interesting
is that anything that activates here is like super early. And, you know, I'm a gamer myself,
I could think other gamers can attest to this or agree is like, you know, waiting a really long
time for a game is kind of brutal. It could be a very brutal experience if you're really into the game
you know you really want to get your hands on it and the interesting part here i think is that since
everything's sort of built out in the open you know i think there's room here to you know include
your community into the game experience sooner you know we do see this already right alphas and betas bring it in game
testers and this and that but a lot of times it is kind of controlled still so in this aspect you
know we have kind of a way to open it up a little bit more you know to bring people in that you know
or you trust is going to give you good feedback you know like if you have a project and you're
holders you know of an nft that you created
you know they're they're excited for your game hey maybe you can give them gated access to your
experience at early stages to help you kind of concept to further think about it you know there's
a lot of interesting ways to activate people into the game development process to make the whole thing feel more
aligned with the mission. And right, if you have this game, you're building with millions of
dollars in the background and nobody sees it, doesn't see the light of day until release day,
and it hits the shelves and everybody hates it. Like, I don't know you you built something without input from your community you know not to
say that that's not possible or doable but the issue being here is that you know you could do
something different you know you could build a little more out in the open and you would have a
different you know result altogether and web through gaming really is kind of opening up this sort of new interaction between
the devs and the audience where like they're kind of one in the same almost you know uh like you know
we see james hall jump into the games with us you know on other games or just randomly hanging out
with us another side like you know he's a dev for yuga like he doesn't have to be there you know but the game means that
much to him and the game means that much to us that his presence there and his involvement on
his own volition you know is is enough you know it's like a big part of it it's a big factor
which explains why a lot of us are so close you know and tied to this thing
um we want to see it uh you know come to fruition because it's all being done in a very genuine and
honest way you know um so yeah i don't know uh just something to think about like communities
audiences gamers activating with devs in a much more interesting way than the traditional world.
I think it's going to be one of the key things that really accelerates, you know, games being made on the other side.
100% true.
I think it's very special how the other side is being built.
the other side is being built. At the same time, it has some pros and cons, obviously, because
we've seen in 2021 and 2022 what so-called building in public means and what can it do.
Not everybody is from the industry and can understand that this is alpha or beta version
and it's not the final product. And you know how people are, they tend to be very critical
the final product and you know how people are they tend to be very critical uh if if they see
something too early and cannot imagine uh the the final product uh but my question is actually
following up to that and i would love to hear yours and uh abp's uh opinion as well uh has
anything changed for you as a builders or as gamers uh ever since uh nexus is open or in the past
weeks because you mentioned that uh there have been much more interest already
from the people who want to build.
But for you guys personally, has anything changed
or has anything opened your eyes, etc.?
Yeah, I can chime in real quick and I'll let ABP take it.
But I think for me, it was maybe, you know, I'm more of on the art side, right? So,
you know, I do more with environment art, level design, you know, world building generally. So,
you know, as far as for like the design of the worlds and stuff, that's something I think is
kind of impacted my understanding of like other side and building you know with ODK is like the scale you know I don't think every single game is going
to bring in you know thousands and thousands of people you know there'll be some games that bring
in you know a couple hundred to some experiences bring it in you know a crowd of maybe 50 or less or something. But either way, though,
I think what changed in my mind for design is seeing that many people.
And thanks to other games team for this,
you know, a shout out to them.
Because like when you finally see,
you know, 200 people barreling down a freaking,
you know, a bridge, a road, you know,
down the swamp or something like,
it's different, right? It's like when you play a single player game it's you by yourself in the environment and it only has to scale a certain way um you know because you're just a single person
there but when you have 200 people running down you know uh you know a corridor or something
suddenly the design of the environment changes.
Like, do I do a tiny little platform that one person can jump on? You know, it's like, or maybe
I should do a platform that's big enough that allows 200 people to kind of pass through.
So yeah, just quickly, that's kind of what changed in my mind is just seeing the way the games are
played now with like the mass amount of players uh it's kind of made me
stop in my tracks a little bit of like oh i think i need to make this world a little bit bigger or
you know make some of these transition points a little smoother so that a large number of people
can pass through here yeah for sure we've definitely had some people that have games
and they're like oh well i want a game that could be done one-on-one or five-on-five or maybe a hundred people.
And I'm like, well, five-on-five or maybe a hundred people, that's really two different things when we're talking about an obstacle course or something like, you know, fitting people down a hallway.
That was me a hundred percent.
That was me.
I was like, hey, man, can I make this game like for a few people and then for a thousand people at the same time?
And it's like, well, that's, yeah, scale and scope,
that's completely different.
That's something we really have to think about.
And then when you think about Outbreak,
they made different size maps.
Like, okay, we'll make a small map, a medium map.
That's one way to solve the problem.
You can kind of keep the same map,
but just scale it up so it can fit more people. So that's definitely something to think about.
But really what changed for me when seeing Nexus was just the look. Yeah, obviously the size blew everyone away, but just really opening your mind up to this is the bar this is the standard
and then all the deeds that are you know they're they're showing like that's like the basic like
that's the sample like that's not what they're going to look like that's like that's like the
basic sample in a museum don't touch behind glass like what your deed is going to look like
so it's like that it needs to be that times 10
um you know on the other side when you build it it has it has to live up to that that's what people
want so um that's changed for me from like a game building standpoint and from yuga standpoint
um they've definitely they were just bogged down between eight fest and nexus there was like silence
on their end.
And now that that's out and now that it's going,
they're definitely communicating more, answering more emails
and ready to move on to the next thing.
So that's been really positive.
Do you think we get more features this month?
Because I know, I think Figgy mentioned that there's going to be Kodak cam and more things that should be released probably in December, right? Which is right
now. So do you think something more is coming?
Well, I see a lot of doors that are closed in Nexus and I see a lot of passages and areas
that aren't open yet. So I imagine that they definitely are going to be releasing things,
you know, month by month for everyone.
And, you know, and as far as games go, you know,
if you want to build a game out there, you want to do something.
You know, as soon as they release, as soon as they say, like,
all right, we're open for games.
If you don't have one ready, if you don't, you know, like,
well, they go have a game in six months, right?
Like, you're going to be six months behind.
Um, the people that I know that, you know, are really serious and active.
They're like, well, I want to build it now so that when Hugo says, let's go, I got it.
Let's go.
Let's submit.
It's been tested.
It's been demoed.
It's ready.
Let's sign the contract. Let's get this up and going, and let's be first.
So it's that kind of, we're getting to that,
like, you know, everyone's wondering,
when's that going to happen?
We're getting there.
It's this year, right?
We're getting close.
And I think having an avatar as a project is incredible,
and you don't need to create avatar
for every single trait.
We saw that with Chimpers and Cool Cats, that basically they created something like Collection Avatar.
And I think that was amazing. And then you can use that avatar in other games.
So you have some utility and some fun for your holders.
What would you recommend to projects?
I see Squiddy here with us with Fisters. What would you recommend to projects? You know, I see Squiddy here with us with Fisters,
like what would you recommend to those projects? We have so many also here, you know, typical
tigers and so, and many more in the audience, like how should they approach that? Because
of course in the future, I don't know when, it's going to be amazing for them to build custom
experiences for their holders and also based on the storytelling specific to the project, right?
So how to approach that?
Yeah, I think definitely build one.
Build your base.
Like, look at your collection and find one and build your base.
Find a good artist like we do.
You contact us.
You contact Pilot.
You contact us and get a quote.
Say, okay, how much just to build my base?
You know, because it has to have a skeleton to it and it has to follow some rules.
Give me a good base.
We have great artists that can do that for a really, really fair price.
And then how big is your collection?
You have 10,000, do you have 2,000?
How many traits do you have, right?
And then get a quote for that.
The simpler, you know, fewer traits is not going to cost as much.
So, you know, then we'll give you a quote for that.
Then we'll give you a timeline for that. You know, like,
but like for an idea, just like, you know,
if you have a collection of three or 4,000 and I mean,
I don't know how many traits, you know, but I, you know, a common number of traits don't know how many traits you know but you know a
common number of traits you know that you know that could take a few weeks you know or a month
to do if it's really complicated it take a couple months it just kind of depends on your artist and
how much free time so um you you know we got to reach out and it's game avatar get quotes because
right now this is all new no one really knows how much it should cost,
how much time it should take.
So call and we'll give you an idea.
If we have free time, maybe it could be done in a week.
You know, it just depends.
And about a building in the other side,
like what would you recommend to projects
if they want to already build some experiences?
Because as you mentioned, right,
whenever Yuga releases that
and if you start from zero,
it will take you months to build it
and deliver it for your holders, right?
We're putting together timelines right now.
We have people coming up to us and they're like,
so what we're going to do is we're just going to start taking deposits.
First people to put down deposit,
you're at the front of the list.
Okay, so we're going to start working on your game.
And when it's complete and you get ready to go,
then like I said, we don't have all the information.
We don't know what it's going to cost to host or revenue.
It depends.
But some people just want a little carnival game
that they just want to be able to put on their deed.
They don't want anything too complicated or anything too nuts, you know?
So it's like, oh yeah, we can do that.
And just tell us what you want, the features, and we'll give you a cool look.
We'll put your logo up there.
What kind of deed do you have?
Oh, cool.
We'll add those assets.
We'll blend it in, you know, like, you know, and then, yeah, I said, have fun with it.
Then we'll add some fun things that, you know, maybe they weren't expecting, you know, like, oh, you can do this, you know, then yeah i said have fun with it then we'll add some fun things that you know maybe they weren't expecting you know like oh you can do this you know add some animations here
and you know we can do lots of fun fun things they probably haven't even thought of you know
because they just didn't know it could happen or could exist so um it's it's the people that want
an entire deed or entire world built out those are the things that's like all right well you
better start now because that's that's not an overnight project and that's going to take time
to really to really think about and think about all the little details that go along with it
and it's also about like scaling properly as well you know I'm sure you know any project would want
to tackle on you know take on something you know big or complex you know to i'm sure you know any project would want to tackle on you know take on something
you know big or complex you know to be impressive and stuff but you know if you scale appropriately
with your project like you know that's you know you're just gonna have to take a sort of a check
you know on your community and what you need um that's a good first place to go you know so like tap in and and see what
your people are wanting uh but abp makes a great point it's like you could do a lot just with
aesthetics you know what i mean like i mean just you know just to put it you know for perspective
like look at the swamp it's a very good experience you know it's triple a quality it looks great
there's you know lots of great effects and you, post-processing effects like the color, the lighting.
You know, it looks super good in there.
But it's just a social hangout at the end of the day.
You know, there's a little bit of like, you know, football and the dice.
the dice and there's some interactive stuff the clubhouse you know but at the end of the day you
And there's some interactive stuff, the clubhouse, you know.
know you're not really treating it like an mmo or something you know you can just kind of jump in
and hang out so you know even something like a third of that size you know or a quarter of that
size and just have it kind of model the same sort of like social space, I think is like super effective.
And, you know, while there was a sort of a meta and a rush to get avatars into other side, you know, I think there will come a point when, you know, you see a lot of people
loading up worlds that, you know, others are going to get bit by the bug as well and want
to participate and also launch a world.
But again, you know, I don't know that it matters to be the
first one i mean we're all pretty early um i i'm trying my best not to like generate fomo
you know what i mean like i don't think it's about having fomo for this stuff
it's it's just about participating in the way that you can you know uh you know i don't know
when the next fortnight's gonna come right
we none of us do but you know that's not gonna spring up tomorrow or next month you know it's
it's it's gonna take a while so don't worry you're not missing out uh you know uh if i could you know
i just want to let you know that there is the RenderPool Discord. The RenderPool Discord started that just recently to get people in there of all, you know, of all walks of life, you know, of creativity.
So we have devs in there, programmers.
We have, you know, 3D artists, 2D artists.
So if you're looking for some inspiration or have questions on how to get started building with Unreal Engine or with Blender or just any 3D fundamentals at all.
I'm not even talking ODK or, you know, blueprinting in Unreal.
I'm talking just like you want to get started and you kind of want to do some parts yourself.
Like, you know, tap into the Renderpool Discord.
Jump in.
There's lots of helpful people.
You know, ABP's in there as well with 369 you know we've
you know we've hung out in chat just you know deliberating on things the future of other side
as well as like game development and just like how to you know how to build in 3d so
for anyone looking for some inspiration or assistance or something like we can help you
get started or help you kind of understand more if you come to the RenderPool Discord.
That's awesome, man.
I think that's another utility of the community, right?
That you have people here that can help you in many ways, not only like other side, but basically whatever you're doing, even if you're traveling, you always find apes somewhere.
you always find apes somewhere and i would love to ask you guys like where do you see
the biggest opportunity right now for you as a as early builders because it's also
unknown right what's gonna work what's not what's not gonna work how it's gonna look like so
it's not it's not that easy.
And sometimes probably being first is not necessarily the best thing,
but you are the pioneers right now.
You've been already working on that.
So where do you see the biggest opportunity for you?
And what would you recommend to people that are just holding other deeds?
Like what's the best strategy to actually utilize that you are early
also in other side, that you have the deeds
and that you can build something,
but maybe you don't know how?
Yeah, that would be my question to you.
Yeah, I mean, for us, you know,
we don't look at, like,
we're not trying to build, like,
our biggest, baddest idea right now.
Like, you know, I know 369 has always wanted to build this parkour game.
Like we're not starting there.
We're not starting with the biggest, best idea.
We're starting with something a little simpler that's, I think,
going to be great for the community that people will enjoy,
that, you know, we can get out, you know, in a couple months
and not a couple years.
So, you know, start simple. Learn what's possible, what people respond to, and then adapt to that when you're building.
And if you're in to Tropical's point, if it's not a game, then build something that think like I always think like back, you know, depends how old you are. But if you go back way back to like Bolton board services that were just tech space, or if you go back to an AOL chat room, or you know, chat rooms
back in the day, these are just communities, these are people, these are tribes of people that had
related related things. And you could just take your deed and build it to that look in that feel.
If you're in a goth community, it could be a goth look,
and goth people will come hang out there,
and you'll have friends that will just hang out.
That could be good enough.
It doesn't have to have a game element necessarily.
These can be individual chat rooms where people just connect.
That's a thing.
That's very much a thing and has been since the
internet was invented um so i think that's a really good opportunity if you if you have a deed
you don't have to have a game um or you could add a little game or it can be over time right
you could have for 10 years i'll add a game this year a little thing i'll add something and over
the course of years you've added value you you've built something over time. So what are you going to do with your deed?
Think about it, come up with a game plan.
It doesn't have to be executed overnight.
And it can just be a really great community where people just stop in and say hi.
Yeah, I think it's a perfect point. Just be yourself.
Be true to yourself, true to what's in it for you and who you are.
You know, it doesn't make sense for everybody to create games, obviously.
I really love the idea of experiences and not all the time Vic is the best.
So sometimes small is actually good.
Grateful keeps hearing that a lot in his private life as well.
And my question there is, if you should guess right now.
From your wife, bro, maybe.
What could be the driver?
What could be the driver for the masses?
Because that's what we all are waiting for.
Be it in months, in years, we don't know.
But if you
had to guess right now do you think it would be a game it would be a some kind of activation some
kind of celebrity thingy uh what what would be your guess if you had to if i had to guess i would
say the most important the thing that has been teased let's just say the thing that's been teased from day one and the reason people spent you know 30 40 on deeds from day one um and the thing that makes
people like apes and what made eight popular um from day one is this speculative idea that
you know they go up in value they go down in value that they are highly volatile so if they
release a game that has some kind of monetary trading bartering marketplace system that allows
people to somehow build businesses and monetize that and that can be through wearables and that
can be through resources and artists to where it's actually some functioning online in
this metaverse I think that would be a huge driver when people hear like yeah I made five thousand
dollars trading dimensional resource that's going to pique people's interest like how did you do
that how did you grow that how can I be evolved in that hey my coda did this and it made me that oh wow okay that to me
has been teased since day one if they can deliver on that that's going to get people talking
yo yeah i just want to add to that um but i do want to hit on one thing that grateful asked
before um about like you know what do we say maybe to people who hold deeds holders and maybe
aren't um you know actively building or you know creative in that regard to like build themselves
um obviously most of my conversations has been around this sort of like creator
kind of like just, you know, all aspects of, you know, of the creator.
Right. So like, you know,
like a market for them to come in and build and make money off of art,
stuff like that. And I've really, really been, you know,
pushing that narrative that other side is a great place for game devs to come in
and start poking around right because of the tools and um it's an unreal engine so it's familiar game
dev pipeline that is similar to the real world of games and it makes it different from like you know
nifty island sandbox to central land where you're sort of locked into a more like kind of bare tools, you know. So really interesting place for game devs from the outside to come in
and like feel like they're working with familiar tools
and have a really rich landscape to like start working and start creating.
But at the same time, you're right, you have people who are holding these assets
that may not be creatively aligned or understand Unreal Engine enough to make their own world.
And at that point, I think there needs to be a bigger conversation around this.
I think it'll be longer than what we can tap into just here.
Maybe there could be a whole space about it.
think you know what i would say to maybe for people who are eager to participate to be a part
of other side you know and grow along with it while like feeling they're not getting left behind
so to speak like i think like one thing those people might be good at is like you know there
there's a lot of people who hold deeds who i've seen that are like dreamers they're they're idea
people they're they're always making moves they can see before
other people right that's why they're buying assets and like you know letting them appreciate
or whatever because they know what's good right they have you know decent taste to a degree right
not everybody's an artist or something but they look at something and they can understand the value
and i just want to point out one person that I recently saw do something on the timeline that I very, very much appreciated.
And I maybe will share it here so that other founders can take on that same ethos or idea.
And that is Gabe from Heavy Metal.
He made a post saying something about, hey, I know we were talking about a game idea we were going
really big and really hard but i'm going to slow down a little bit because i want to make the game
that you guys want and i want the game to be good and another thing he said another reason why he
was slowing down on the pace of the game development was because he said he admitted that he did not know enough about 3d art
and game development but that didn't like frustrate him that just made him realize that he wanted to
be more in line with the game devs when they come in to build the game so it wasn't so much that he wants more control he wants to understand right so he's
he he started taking 3d classes he started doing working in unreal engine like he bought a book
which i would recommend everybody go out and read by the way it's called the art of game design by
jesse shell so if you have not seen that book please go go check it out. It is an e-book format as well as paper.
It's pretty big, but don't be scared.
It's not hard to read.
It's very simple, but it's basically about...
This is what Tino's Vibe told me, actually, about it.
Sorry, keep going.
Well, great recommendation.
She's on the right track.
She sounds like a great game designer, bro.
But yeah, I highly recommend it.
Great read.
Easy to read.
You don't need to know code or blueprints, Unreal Engine.
You don't even need to be an artist or a designer.
Nothing like that.
Because this is more about the philosophy or the sort of like anthropology of games, you know, of how people react psychologically to certain stimulus is like,
you know, you know, events and rewards and different mechanics and systems. So, you know,
I think that is a key thing. I think, in my opinion, for holders who want to be a part of
other side and want to grow with it, but can't, you know, perform the necessary duties to make
a game go live. Hey, you could be a part of it in a different
way you know you could be in tune with as many aspects of game development that you possibly can
so that the game turns out the way you want it to you know you're not frustrated you know you're
not you're not getting pissed off at your devs or something i don't know if like it's not turning
out the way you want you know get in line with the community to see what sort of experience works best.
So you can scale properly and build the right thing for your community. Right.
You're not building an MMO for a small community of like, you know, a thousand avatars.
I don't know. Right. Maybe if you got the bag for it. Sure. Why not?
But, you know, scale appropriately, then involved and and sort of you don't have
to be able to model or build games that's not the point it's just understanding what it takes to get
to to you know the next like uh um the next goal post or whatever so that you can keep checking
them off and keep you know um building and keep pushing forward so that you have something in the end.
And it is very in line with what you vision to begin with.
Yep, that's 100% the way I think. And I'm super grateful that I already have the avatar in other
side because it's awesome to see other people having it, playing other games with it. It's great.
I also love to wear it or how you call it, use it.
It's great.
And I love to see more and more communities
joining every week.
That's amazing.
And I'm having a blast with tasks, right?
I always say I would love to have bigger tasks,
maybe like a weekly task that really takes
maybe one or two hours to complete, right?
Something like that I would really appreciate.
But we'll be waiting for announcements.
I have one more question for you guys,
because then I would love to slowly shift
towards the Art Basel and the banter campaign.
But my question is, how can people support you right now?
Like, you know, how can they support you, what you need?
If, I don't know, whatever would help you right now, guys,
go ahead and share it with us.
ABP, you can, or Tropical, whoever want to start first.
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to support, I mean, you know,
the greatest thing that we're really enjoying really having fun
three six nine is we really love hearing the ideas that people have for these games and um
you know when it comes to support please reach out i mean you're not burdening us if you want
a demo or you just want to quote you just want to know like hey what would this cost how much
time would this take um you know those are your questions we don't always have the answer to, but if you give it to us, we'll sit down and, you know, we'll figure it out.
Be like, oh, okay, this could take us a few weeks. This wouldn't be that hard. You know, like,
just send us an email, let us know that. I mean, that helps us because ultimately,
we're taking all that knowledge and we're putting that also into the games we're building.
Right? Like, I never thought about that let
me is that even possible in this odk let's give it a shot and let's see how that looks let's try
this lighting let's try that um so yeah please like just reach out throw us your ideas and um
we'd be happy to throw together some demos and i think even that's what grateful you know i think
that's one of the reasons he reached out i don't know if he saw the demos we've done.
Some of the demos we've done have been floating around.
So yeah, they're interesting and it's fun to see
and you can see what it would look like on the ODK.
So please do it.
Amazing.
Guys, 100% follow ABP and Tropical
and everyone here on stage
and hit them up in DMs.
That's the way. I think the
network effect in the club
is insane. It's incredible.
We've seen it here
on the stage. So many people
through the show connected together,
did some project together. It's incredible.
So yeah, man, that's incredible.
I can't wait to experience
the game or whatever you built
and whenever you launch it, I cannot wait to join it and be there
and play it and enjoy it, man.
Yeah. Thanks so much. Yeah. I mean, we'll definitely keep you updated
as it gets closer and closer.
And yeah, I'm excited to share it with everyone.
It'll be a lot of fun.
Can't wait.
And maybe one more alpha from my side,
because we have so many great space hosts here on stage,
also in the audience.
Sometimes for us,
it's really hard to keep up.
And basically,
if I know you and I know you built in this space,
I'm always sharing,
tweeting, commenting, whatever you need. So I don't know, maybe if you just hit us up and you are like, hey, tomorrow we launching this, give us some shout out or something. Like we always
here to do that and, you know, amplify that because I personally can't keep up with everything.
And then I'm like, shit, I miss this. I miss that. So please, if you have anything that you want to be shared or amplified,
hit us up, man, and we'll do it.
Oh, yeah.
Well, thanks so much.
I mean, it's fun to come on here to see everyone.
But don't worry.
You'll know.
We got it.
You'll see 369 making trailers.
You'll see them showing some cool things.
You'll see some things that hopefully will make everyone really excited because I know
everyone's excited to see what their deeds are going to look like. And we're really excited to
hopefully maybe be one of the first people to show you what some of those deeds can really
look like and do. So yeah, looking forward to it. Let's go. Thank you so much. Is there anything that we
maybe forgot to ask you or that you would love to
share? No, that's it, man. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for joining and
can't wait to see what you've been building.
And that Megacoda is insane.
By the way, guys, Megacoda, that's the code
for today's batch.
Thank you so much, ABP.
If you have time, stay here with us.
We're going to be talking Art Basel and also Banter,
Leaderboard.
I see already Getsby here.
He has to share, like, what the hell is going on with his score?
Because he's crazy.
He's crazy.
I think he's paying for some, you know, child labor in Spain
and they're working on his transactions on APG.
I don't know what's going on there. Tropical, anything from your side that you would love to
share? How can people support you? That was funny. I think I agree. Just reaching out,
hitting us up, genuine interest, I think is what gets us excited for anybody who's building and just says, like, it lets us know, right?
Like, okay, cool.
People want this, you know?
So it's very simple.
Like, you know, nothing complex.
It's just, you know, showing that the scene is alive.
People are hungry for games, you know?
You know, show up to the events claim the badges you know um showed up to builder spaces like this one you know um uh you know uh tap into
other games events you know on the weekends um you know jb papi chulo they got bubbles and party
events during the week and stuff too.
You know, all those little things I think are just like an extra way to kind of like
keep the space alive and thriving.
And that just works its way around, you know, like, you know, I see it on the timeline that
people are like excited for this or something.
And I'm like, dude, hell yeah.
Like, you know, that's, it gives me, you know, fuel, you know, dude hell yeah like um you know that's it gives me you know fuel
you know it feeds my soul you know to know that people are here and excited about this thing that
we're all throwing ourselves you know just you know full on into you know um but yeah like i've
i've sat in the render pool discord with some people and they just wanted me to hear their game idea and i said sure
you know i'm not charging them any money or anything it's just like just come chat about
the possibilities with me um and that alone you know is is something very powerful um it's giving
me ideas and thoughts while also helping them flesh out what they want to see and visualize on other side so
a lot of talking conversating but yeah don't be afraid to come by the render pool discord it'd
mean a lot to me if you were interested hungry for more info and wanting to see what it's all about
those are the kinds of questions i thrive on so So come on over the Discord, ask about the ODK,
ask about Unreal Engine and 3D art in general,
and we can help you out.
Let's go, man. Can't wait.
It's so funny, man.
Whenever I'm in the other side and you're hosting that bubble
and I hear your voice, it's so cool, man.
I love that aspect.
And also, this app,
I mean, X is so unbalanced
or how to say that, right?
Like you have spaces that are incredible.
You really feel like the human emotions
you're on stage.
Like there are real humans here
doing something.
And then you go on timeline
and you see shit
that you are not interested in.
You see bot replies.
It's crazy, right?
And other side is also the place
that I really enjoy going in. I'm having a blast there. Even whenever I go there alone, interested in you see bot replies it's crazy right and other side is also the place that i
really enjoy going in i'm having a blast there even even whenever i go there alone just doing
the task and i see you there guys you know i see you standing around or doing some stuff
i'm having blast i'm having fun i'm i really enjoyed it and you know me and makaveli we had a
we had a chat in swamp like i don't I don't know, a week or two ago.
And it felt really like going for a walk outside.
Such a different feeling than just being here on Spaces or on Timeline.
So it's really special.
And I can't wait for more experiences and everything that you've been building.
And also it shows that it really takes so much time to build a community, right?
Like we finally, I think we have really strong community of builders and participants and
spaces hosts and, you know, whatever.
But it took so much time and we had to go through so much shit, right?
Through the bear market and prices up, down and so on.
And we still hear you guys focusing on 3D and building,
some other people focusing on different stuff
in the community, and we can all work together
and build something meaningful.
So really grateful for that because it's crazy, right?
Like you travel to Vegas and you immediately find people
that, for example, from the club and they live there
and they show you around, they give you tips.
Like that's awesome.
So yeah, big shout to everyone here in the community whether you are builder or you
just enjoying your time and and you know having fun being here in the audience or or playing in
the other side i think everyone has its role and it's incredible so big shout to everyone we have
such a legends here in the audience uh you know, I'll skip the orange background.
No, I'm kidding.
Because I see Betty here, the legend.
Dr. Dave Cohen, lost, of course.
369, hell yeah.
Mo, we have Mo.
Let me scroll a little bit down.
And we have the name Dutch Art.
That's all I can pronounce.
Absolutely love that ape. And we also have beautiful aquamarines here
we have otters here, we have tigers here
and so on and so on, absolutely love
to see that, Kodas, can't forget
the Kodas and yeah
guys, I don't have to
say all the
aquamarine names because you already know
you elite, Jubrell made
that incredible badge that you can claim
it's absolutely insane art. So love
it. And one more thing before we get into Art Basel or Banter. Let's see. I pin up my YouTube
channel and that's going to be another thing. I actually uploaded just one video, but I have like
six other videos in the pipeline and I'll start playing with that. You know, let's see if we can push other side, you know, outside of our Web3 bubble. We'll see. I have 33 views. So, you know, that's
awesome. But you have to start somewhere, right? No, even Casey Neistat had to start somewhere. So
let's start here. I really hope I'll be able to grow it and let's see what's going to work or,
you know, doesn't work. We'll see. We'll see.
So if you give me follow or watch the video, I also try the AI voice, which there's still a lot of work on that.
We'll see how it's going to work.
The other videos are with my own voice.
So we'll see what's work, what doesn't work.
And I learn, improve, and I'll keep going.
So that's basically what I'm doing here.
So yeah.
Guys, do you want to go into banter
right now? Because I see Gatsby and we
need to get the alpha, how he actually
scored at like 100 million
points there. Or you want to go
to Arbaso. So maybe we go banter
5-10 minutes and then, Squiddy, you still have time
to share the alpha from Arbaso?
I've always got time. I'm here
to hang out.
Yeah, we've got plenty of time now.
Hell yeah, man.
We need to chill a little bit of fisters
because, man, I love the art.
It's amazing.
And I can't wait for 3D
because, man, that's going to be a banger.
But let's get into banter.
As I mentioned, I think I'm still on second spot.
I experienced this in Kaito leaderboard
that if you look at
a mindshare, of course, I think the mindshare is
the 100% is the total
mindshare, right? And then
each of us has the
pie, the slice of
that mindshare
and whenever someone comes like
Adam or Garga and
hit a high number, which adam did garga also has
like seven percent they have to take it from somewhere so basically if if you dropped in
mindshare it might be because some stronger players joined the leaderboard right uh that's
the lesson don't panic and just be consistent but i would love to i would love to ask getsby because
he's probably number one in
that personal multiplier i don't know how he did that but he's climbing and i think he has a chance
to win it actually if he keeps tweeting so gets big give us your alpha give us your learnings about
the banter leaderboard and guys if you are not on that leaderboard you should be there there's like
50 000 apecoin for 200 people,
which is incredible.
So Gatsby, welcome here and share the alpha with us
and with everyone here in the audience
because we need to keep playing, man.
Yeah, man.
No, GM, GM, bro.
I love that you had APB and 369 here,
you know, and Tropical talking about this
because they helped us out, you know.
We send them an idea and like they were saying,
if you have any idea or whatever just run it by them because like they just went through and and pulled
out something insane for us and we were completely in love with it you know and it's just testing
right we asked them like we're trying to explore we're not modelers ourselves so we're going to
depend on on third parties to help us build albarra and the Rilla's Nest and everything.
So anyway, it was great to hear them out a bit today.
I'm looking forward to see them more in these spaces.
But yeah, man, in terms of banter, I mean, I can't really, there's not much alpha that I can share that's secret.
You know, I'm actually doing a lot of transactions because different to Wallchip.
How many? Share the number, man. we need to know that number I was like how
many you do I don't know many bro I do give me the number look what is the lot
for reference like in stats and stuff which is what I can say because I don't
know the transactions bro I really can't tell you bro bro bro you walking around the number you walking around
the number you know he's like i know the exact number but i'm not gonna share no i don't actually
no so basically it's i'm entering gamify.com every day and i'm playing little amounts very
small amounts like the minimum i can both on peanuts cash or crash and the ape leaderboard
and i'm playing with 0.5 cents,
playing, playing, playing, playing.
I went big, put some of that in staking.
It ends on the 12th, but I'm still-
Where do you stake?
On apechain.
Well, apechain stake basically,
you know, with my mutants.
So I stick it there,
even if I'm going to like withdraw it
maybe in a few hours
because I lost what I have remaining.
I, you know, I put it in withdraw it maybe in a few hours because I lost what I have remaining, I put it in.
It's two transactions.
So you add up transactions with every little task you do. I go to my G staking as well almost every day or whenever there's enough rewards that is worth claiming.
And I claim that.
and you know i play with peanuts and go back and forth like this i go to camelot if i win on the
And I play with peanuts and go back and forth like this.
on the peanuts leaderboard uh i switch some of that to ape to play on the ape one then i go to
ape church if i have a win as well on gamify and i use part of those earnings to put on staking
uh to the house or to play roulette basically with very low amounts. So everything is, it hasn't really changed.
Like I haven't changed much.
I was doing that anyway, because I've been, I have two screens and while I wait for things
to load on the other one and stuff, I have it open at the bottom and I just do a few
spins, you know, and then go into Pixel Pals as well, the website, you know, and level
up your traits and stuff.
You can buy community traits there uh everything adds transactions going to the other side and completing tasks
doesn't add transactions to you but leveling up does when you unlock nfts to your wallet and stuff
like that and then sharing it on x obviously for mindshare so i actually love it because it's
very different to where koOLs might always win on
Wallchain because they have a lot more
I'm not a KOL bro
I won't but I'm not KOL
don't call me that
I'm a
you're an LOK I like that
you're an LOK great pool LOK
but yeah that's basically what I've been doing bro
not much alpha apart from that
just having fun man But yeah, that's basically what I've been doing, bro. Not much alpha apart from that.
I'm just having fun.
Man, it's really funny.
Like, if you read those motivational books, right, or if you listen to podcasts, everyone's like, wake up 4 a.m., do the meditation, write a journal.
Yeah, I wake up, I don't know. I'm not going to, you know, 8 a.m., for example,
I open Ape Church and I play slots.
I've been sending all of y'all like gimbal points as presents and stuff. I don't know that also
adds transactions, you know, so I'm doing I'm kind of like testing out as much as I can from every
app. And I was already doing kind of that basically and compounding my staking and stuff like that.
So I'm just I've maybe amped it up a bit and I may be posting a bit more on X, you know, and with these tips and the increased multiplier, I have more attention, which is great.
So because my algo is completely fucked.
I don't know why.
So, yeah, man, that's kind of everything.
But great to be here, man.
So how high did you did you climb in the cash or crash?
What was the biggest multiplier you got, bro?
Bro, I think the biggest was like a times 100 or something like that.
What?
Yeah, it's crazy.
You have to go through like 50-50 situation like four times to get there.
I don't cash in unless I've done like at least times 30, basically.
So I keep on playing and I stick to one pattern.
What is your strategy, bro?
Hey, don't tell me that you can read the code and you see where to step, bro. No, I don't. I don't. But, but I get very frustrated, you know, I lose a lot,
but I have a lot of hope, you know, so if I have 20 to play, I'm going to play the 20 until the
last cent. And normally when I'm down to three, I make a big win. And I always wait to get at least
to a times 35 or times 44. So it's worth it, you know?
And yeah.
And then if I get, you know, kind of burnout,
I go to a church, do a little bit there.
And yeah, it's kind of interesting.
Well, if anyone outside of Web3 is listening.
If I have a burnout, I just go to Ape Church.
I love it.
Bro, I think coco should uh clip this this is a this this is actually a whole new campaign whenever you have a burnout i love
i love dino dough bro like dino dough is such a great game i've been playing so much man and i've
been winning too man it's crazy like i don't know what's the secret formula
for that but i absolutely love that game bro oh my god there's there's on fridays gamify puts
prizes for the top 10 on leaderboard so if you play enough to obviously you've got to be lucky
this is all gambling right so if you like do actually get into the top 10 you're gonna get
whatever you earned plus the extra and you can use that to play on somewhere else you know and do little spins and stuff like that i on the roulette i go
mostly for like single numbers and i kind of have a pattern of which ones appear most commonly in a
way and i bet like five to ten um at least i think so? That's like the fucking gambler mindset. That's why the house
always wins. But yeah, anyway, I don't really like gambling, to be honest. This is why, because
I can get very addicted to it. I'm just going to do it in this pace, at least while I'm bored and
vibe coding and the shit is loading and all that shit you know christmas is going to come so probably my activity will come down but but yeah man it is uh no no secret other than that i was
surprised myself like i went from one one x multiplier on the uh on the personal multiplier
to 22 i think it is right right now something like that bro i i wanted to tweet actually if i
had like 30 mind share and and be number one I wanted to tweet if people want me to still keep, you know, participating, or I will still be doing, you know, transactions and everything, but get me out of the leaderboard so they competition and we will have fun, right? These leaderboards are fun.
And I think the biggest mistake that I've seen is that people are doing transactions.
Remember, it started counting since they won.
So previous activity doesn't count.
That's the first thing.
And the second thing you still need, and I will read NGB here.
I think that was also a copypasta.
To land on the leaderboard, you'll need at least one qualifying social post that includes good context around happening on ApeCoin, ApeChain, and the
featured dubs, like Blackjack on ApeChurch, for example, right? Or any other dubs. So you need
to score the tweet. And sometimes it takes time. So I recommend do one, two or how many tweets you want to do. One is the minimum. Do it daily. So you basically teach the algo to pick your tweets.
I've done it on Kydo.
Dead.
I tweeted like two times every day and it somehow picked my pick my tweets
and my mind share went up and up and up.
You're an LOK, man. What are you saying?
Yeah, yeah, I'm LOK, exactly. I'm a lowkey.
I'm lowkey. So, guys, keep going, keep tweeting, keep using
those apps and dApps. If you go to banter,
yeah, I will shill maybe. Tino, can I shill?
Of course, man. You should.
Okay, so I pin up my ref code if you want to help me, guys.
If you're not on Bonter, so, you know.
The rich get richer.
Classic.
Classic LOK stuff.
Classic LOK stuff.
Exactly, Squeedy.
Oh, and yeah, guys, if you don't have a fister, man, everyone needs a fister on Ape Chain.
I don't know what you're doing.
Oh, 100%.
One of the, you know, OG salute IRL is double fisting, so keep it real. Buy a fist.
Oh yeah. And also make sure to subscribe to Grateful Apes YouTube channel.
Once we're shilling, we need to see...
I really want to correct the YouTube somehow. I still...
Like, comment and subscribe here below here on the video my name
is grateful ape here this is the stuff that you need to see from the other side come on in before
you watch again don't forget like comment and subscribe it's much better it's much better than
the previous uh grateful spills like you should follow me on YouTube. Bro, it's subscribed.
Oh, shit.
He's the cleverest. You are like
subscribe on YouTube,
follow on X.
What's on Instagram?
Also follow, right?
And only fans is also
subscribed.
I don't know, man. You told me. I don't know.
It's fans on Facebook, right? There used to be fans on Facebook.
Before the like.
That was the actual intent of the app, actually.
My brother met the owner of OnlyFans and he was pissed initially
because it was for famous people to connect better with other people.
So, you know, grateful since you're in LOK, you could definitely open an OnlyFans.
I really hope because now it's obvious, right? Like, you know, I think at one point during the
bear market, I saw on X that they want to ban actually like this, this kind of content and do
like a kitchen classes and stuff like that. I don't know. But imagine imagine we are talking about building on
the other side man and imagine these girls you know and people that they will come to other
side and turn it into something like OnlyFans and we'll be like damn we wanted to play games and
what's going on. So Tropical and ABP you need to work hard you know so bring us some games and
we don't want to I don't know don't want to... I don't know, maybe Squiddy wants it, I don't know, man.
Paid it with ApeCoin.
I want it all and I want it now.
There's gonna be a lot of good games.
AVP is already coding the API.
There's a huge screen for streams, bro.
I saw it in the pools, district pools and also in the swamp.
Holy smoke, man. Gatsby, if pools, district pools, and also in the swamp. Holy smoke,
man. Gatsby, if you start streaming there,
I'll leave other side.
It's a place for rich content on those giant jumbo screens.
Streaming on OnlyFans on the other side, bro?
Only Voyagers.
Only Voyagers.
Link in bio.
How do you mean that MF
with his voice, he'd be like,
Link in bio. Oh my oh my god yeah for real dude
dude you didn't see my my face plate that i have now from open page it's like taking tips
or just a tip please and that's what i have i just sit there and some people have been starting
like sending me money now so i'm like y'all fuck it let's go let's go but it's awesome man i i i
don't know what i what I did on the other side
but people came to me and they just tipped me
and I was like man that feels great
I'm getting addicted to that
I can imagine honeybee
opening only fans brother
opening only fans
what do you mean open
he's been writing that since bear market
he's winning bro
he's winning
we keep winning you have to pay for the
flight tickets to Vegas somehow, right? You know how I flew business class? He needs to pay some
people to keep their mouth shut. Yeah, oh my god. Sorry, I'm flying to the next one in business, I guess after this we have an Ft drew here
0.1% you know top 0.1% only fans. Oh
My god, I'm effort that MF or he got me
Such a tiny coda. Yeah, yeah
That's what she said, right honey be dog shit right now don't make me do it
Guys, uh, yeah, maybe honeybee. What's your what's your rank on on banter? How are you doing there?
I was top five until garga
was top five until garga showed up and i think he took on my mindshare and i'm like
fucking 15 or some shit um i don't even want to check anymore after i dropped top 10 i was like
fuck this that's a winning mindset
i'm gonna go back to a church yeah it's gonna be fun uh It's got to be fun. I'll keep playing. I really hope
I will have enough ApeCoin for
ApeChurch to keep spinning.
It is what it is.
What's your strategy?
You're doing the Gatsby way?
I'm doing Dino though, basically 24-7.
I have it on my phone and I'm just
clicking.
Okay.
Yep, that's what I'm doing. I'm doing it right now, by the way. Bro, but that's actually, you know, when I'm just clicking. It's a lot. Okay. Yep. That's what I'm doing.
I'm doing it right now,
by the way.
Bro,
but that's literally,
you know,
when I'm like watching a movie with my wife this weekend, I open like the,
my phone discreetly and I'm kind of like making plays,
you know,
on Game of Thrones.
Bro.
I already know because she texted me that you were behaving,
like in a weird way.
So crypto is enough. You know, why are you gambling now? You degenerate.
The nether rabbit hole, bro. So do be careful. You know, I mean, I'm spending very little and
I've only done so because when I got into a church, I also won a bit with the loot boxes.
So all in all, I'm kind of up and I'm using that amount to play all the time.
So yeah, like same here.
Also, you need apparently like 1000 minimum wager in a church.
I think it is to start opening like loot boxes.
But that doesn't mean spending 1000.
Like I did 1000 wagering without noticing with like 28 doing a few plays and stuff.
Obviously, you got to be lucky and
and willing to lose whatever you put in always uh so yeah i'm not like that's why i'm not you
know betting any big amounts or anything like that man i got like 1000 ape coin through the
i don't know how i did it actually i i did some quest there and i i got thousand ape coin through
those through that like spinning i think through those points, right? I spent I got like thousand ape coin
I staked it in the ape church house. I already made like hundred ape coin from dead
You know, you gotta think ABP the motherfucker back yesterday like a million ape in the fucking house
He raised that shit by like fucking double. Oh
Shit, I don't know if it's good for ABP or not, but
it was probably good for us, right?
Yeah, man.
It's like a hedge. Like you stake it on
one side and you gamble it on the other. If you lose
it, you make it over here. You gotta hedge
both sides, you know. You gotta think about this thing.
That's another hack, bro.
Good, good. Taking notes.
Gatsby, come on.
Play roulette for 50, apecoin bro you can do it
you can do it yeah i i asked him about the max you'll notice if you'll there was no max posted
anywhere you'll notice that there is a max now in all the games they added that yesterday because i
was complaining that they uh they don't post their max like you know if you go to vegas there's a max
posted everywhere it's a law so they screwed up a little bit so they uh they fixed that so max is 50 000 right now right yeah
but it kind of depends like on the payouts too so you can't bet 50 000 and then have like a
you know a 99 to 1 payout so it still has to match the value so it's max 50 000 but it's three x payout um so kind of it
kind of depends a little bit but yeah so i was going over all the maxes with them so that's yeah
you saw me run up the rankings and uh yeah lose a little bit but this is me testing this is this
is how you find out all the little flaws and the problems. And I've already found a few little things.
So it's fun.
Loved it.
Loved it, guys.
I'm actually having passive income because I wanted a Wallchain leaderboard.
And I invested into country where actually Tino is from.
If you saw a movie Eurotrip, they were in Slovakia there.
And I invested 6,000 ApeCoin I
bought a hotel. I did with 120 rooms for that and now I'm getting passive income
so it's great I'm investing back into the ApeChurch and other platforms on ApeChain.
That's crazy yeah but guys let's let's get into the into the art puzzle because i know it was
great man with people killing it jack butcher and others squiddy how was the experience for you man
i had a swell time you know got to balance it out with some web3 stuff along with you know the
digital art along with you know i love music so there's just like
just great dj sets throughout the whole week so i was able to kind of split my time had some
wonderful experiences for both i didn't get to make it to the people and the jack butcher exhibition
on south beach sadly to like my own doing i really wish i got out there but it was it was just fun you know i don't think
i i don't give myself a 10 out of 10 this time but i've been we've been coming down here for a
while i like to do my own thing it was interesting to be in you know other ecosystems from the
blockchain stuff i went to a few events there where was only one of just like a handful of apes
or like apes that i had known which i loved right
because i was able to introduce them to the fisters ape chain kind of anything in between
got some people for the fist list who had not had an ape chain nft before so maybe that serves as a
good little onboard and get a get them on the fist list get them to check it out and then they
see what's cooking on on what we've got going on here it's
always interesting to hear the perspective of people in the broader web 3 space that are not
in the f like we're in our own corner or doing our own thing when no we want to be as collaborative
as possible across all chains which we've seen from the ape coin raid right which we've seen
from these other activations so just playing my my small role there in terms of representing us
right and our peeps uh went to a lot of went to a few pudgy events because you know i worked for
a gaming studio which i no longer work for there's some there's some alpha uh no no longer
working for the the pudgy party game so i get to go full time on the Fisters and anything
else that's going on. But yeah,
I'm in the unemployed group.
So that was
fun. Welcome to the family.
I'm so happy to be here.
One of us. I'm so happy to be here.
I feel home.
I feel home.
And yeah, just like, you know,
seeing what's cooking.
So big ups to everyone that showed up.
I don't think that the apes need to have anything there.
I mean, you know, there's always the presence and there were certainly enough apes there.
Right.
And with some good side events, what now is good to stop by, you know, profits event,
see some peeps.
I got to hang out with the World of Women team, which, you know, brought them onto the
gaming game show, had them coming in here, just some good connections, right?
It's all about, for me, it was about the conversations and the art.
You know, I went to a few really cool exhibits, but from the blockchain side, you know, it
was amazing to see, you know, I experienced the, the people and the Jack butcher on the
timeline and from the stories
of people uh that i was talking to just like everybody else here even though i've i was in
town but saw some really really cool art myself and it's just always it's just always fun to be
around art it's always be around fun to be around like-minded people and to me that was kind of like the core of my experience.
Did you get one of those dogs, those NFTs? How could you get it actually? Because some people I saw they sold it for like 30k, man. I think he has to be there.
You just show up and you get it? I'm not sure entirely, but the first Beeple opening event, which I was there, he threw prints from
the ceiling.
And if you grab one of those, a few of those had like a little white, yellow band at the
bottom.
Those were actual NFTs that sold for 18 to 24 ETH back then, right off the bat.
And I think this time when the dogs pooped, there was like, I don't know, because I wasn't there.
But since sweetie wasn't, I'm just like speculating.
I'm guessing there was some sort of like raffle system to get the actual prints from the dogs that pooped out the pictures, basically.
So, yeah.
Or like first serve type shit.
Something like that.
Beeple is crazy.
Yeah, he's been killing it, really.
I remember his...
What was the name of that marketplace, actually?
Nifty Gateway? Is that possible?
Nifty Gateway? No.
Yeah?
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, I think I was trying to get Beeple for $1.
There were those ruffles and stuff back in 2021.
It was wild.
So actually,
Sergito tweeted,
one thing I can't stop thinking about is that Beeple
could have sailed into the sunset
after the $69 million
sale in 2021, but instead
he's here commandeering the revolution
doing five days of public presentation
for thousands of people, eight hours at a time
in 2025, which is really cool to see.
And congrats to everyone who got the NFT.
I think...
Guchita got it, I think.
Yeah, man, I think Guchita got one.
And someone else, but I can't remember who.
But yeah, man, it's insane.
That's absolutely crazy.
That's absolutely crazy.
He's an artist.
He's built differently, you know.
It's not... I wouldn't i'm not at surprise at all like he doesn't of course money uh my money
lets him do the stuff as he's doing he's building crazy stuff crazy warehouses crazy robot robotic
dogs and uh and cool technology with uh from their poop but it's that But that's the artist mindset.
I've been around artists for a long, long time,
and I'm not surprised it's around after 60 million sales.
It's not the final destination.
It's never the money for the real artists.
Bro, and actually, I was going to say,
if you're an NFT, at some point in your life,
I would really recommend going to, like, the Beepo Studios creator house and stuff like that.
Because it's like this guy, literally, like you're saying, has put everything he won, right?
Like he sold an NFT for 69 million.
He could have run into the sunset.
And instead, he poured it into investment where he brought artists from all around the world
to work in the same studio and you know it's like it's like a full movement right and now he's
putting nfts again on the map and it's like shit you know it's kind of like a 2021 vibe where
he brought the mainstream and now he's bringing it back again so it would be a beautiful story
right if yeah i'm sorry liquidity comes but yeah yeah man absolutely i think that's a very cool
point because uh obviously he was one of the biggest talks of uh our basil and uh i i've had
uh i had some uh non-nft like normie friends uh in our basil and obviously I'm one of the very few people who they know who are involved in Web3.
So obviously like they were sending me pictures and telling me that they're at the event and they're going there and so on.
So it's again good to have these kind of waves come in, getting some kind of attention to see and he was he was very good also in uh uh in the interviews uh really saying
back in the the big nft days uh this is what happened and now i'm still uh involved in that
way so it gives the credit as well to to the web3 space i believe and and i think he's doing a really
good job still uh getting getting us in front of uh of thousands, millions of people.
You often hear people saying,
damn, I wish I was there that early,
whether it's crypto, sports, basketball, music, and so on, streetwear.
And now they have the chance to be that early.
But being early has also the downsides, right?
Because it's basically like a new chapter, new book And now they have the chance to be that early. But being early has also the downsides, right?
Because it's basically like a new chapter, new book that hasn't been written.
So there are a lot of ups and downs and things that you need to figure out that haven't been
figured out.
And that's why it's interesting.
And I still feel about it, talking about NFTs, crypto, even like Bitcoin has been around
for some time, but I still feel like that.
Maybe especially with NFTs and other side, I believe in NFTs so much, it's crazy, right? But we've been experimenting with so many things, not everything worked, but there are 100% elements
that worked. And for communities like apes,
I will talk because I'm most involved with apes
and of course the ape chain collections.
Basically you have so many builders that are apes here
and that they have like ape chain NFT.
I really believe it's going to be huge.
And from what I heard,
this Art Basel was a lot about digital art, right?
So Squiddy, you mentioned that you've been
to Art Basel many times before.
So how was it compared to previous ones?
You know, if you compare like traditional art versus the digital,
was it better this year?
Well, I think there's always been some pieces of digital art,
but I don't necessarily want to say it was better or worse.
It was definitely a bit more chill, right?
And again, I didn't get out to. I didn't get out to the main art basil on the South Beach, which again, just shame on me.
Shame on me there.
From the Web3 stuff and the other digital stuff, it's felt a little bit smaller.
But it also led to kind of more intimate conversations, which I think was cool.
I think that was a cool trade-off.
You know, I had a great time when it comes to comparing them i mean i was a lot less i went a lot less
crazy than i usually do for for a few different reasons but it was just yeah man it was just fun
it was really just fun and again you know i'm typically based down here so i've been coming
here for a while i originally started coming to to Art Basel just for the parties, just for the techno music,
just for the DJ sets.
So I've got my places to go dancing.
I was still able to do that and connect that brought, you know, I got my dancing shoes
and everything.
The fisters love the dance floor, love fisting people on the dance floor.
That's just, that's one of my go-to moves because you just make eye contact, right?
Your vibe and you look at each other, you fist them, they fist you back. And all of a sudden
then they're your dance floor buddy. So I was able to get my fix there, got my art, got my web three
connections and yeah, saw some really cool stuff. Saw some really cool. So I went to this,
I forget what it was called, but the main exhibit I went to, not complex, I forget what it
was called, but it was at, it was right at the One Herald Way. It was one of the bigger, it was like
the second biggest one, second biggest display and saw some really cool pieces, some interactive
digital art. And yeah, it was just, from the talk, from the conversations that people said,
you know, it really all went back to the Jack Butcher.
That's the one that made the most headlines when it comes to kind of like crossing on.
I thought that that was a really cool experiment with transparency.
They talked about this in good depth on Coffee with Captain.
I recommend going back and listening to that show.
I think it was their Monday show.
And just a good time.
Just a good time.
I don't know if I'm the best person to ask on this one.
Because I didn't make it to South Beach.
It's interesting how it evolved, right?
Because I remember, imagine 2022, we had NFT NYC in June
with a huge four-day event
made on Pier 17.
You know, the A-Fest, it was crazy,
right? And you had all the side
events. I mentioned the Doodles are minting.
Like me and Tino, we were in the
Doodles venue. There was a
cool man next door. There was a
huge Cooltopia that had to cost
millions of dollars to build it
sandbox had a crazy venue there and after that i think in yeah in december there was art basel
and yuga also had even there there was a other block which was insane event, and so on. So it was such a crazy time that we might never experience
again in such a scale, because we see NFT NYC is probably not a thing anymore in the scale that
it was in 2022, right? So that's why I always say, guys, if you can go, go and experience it.
Like ApeFest, for example, if you can go, go. Don't think about it because it's always a blast. It's always
insane memory. Now looking back, damn, I'm so
happy that I actually traveled to NYC and to Miami
back in the day. And the conversations, right? Again, we talk about
whether you're building a collection or you're, I mean, that's how you get
support, right? Is by
building those real, those real connections and having those conversations. And, you know,
you're seeing the same people over and over again, but you're able to talk to the same people and
relationships are based a lot for a lot of it. You know, you can have an immediate connection,
but a lot of it is based off of time. How long have you known this person? Have you connected
with this person before? And then just the concept of showing up and putting yourself out there, it might not have
immediate quote unquote ROI, right? If you're looking at just from that sort of thing, but if
you're in this space and you're building and you're getting involved with people, those things just
can't be replicated. Introducing yourself to someone and then seeing them a couple more times and like, okay, oh shit. I've met this, this random squiddy guy a few times. And then, you know,
we've, I've been going to these IRL events for a while. As you guys know, you know, I founded
NFT Philly. We started with, you know, the, these little meetups and then, you know, four something
years later, I go to an event and I know 30% of the people there, right? It's like a little,
it's a little reunion.
That only comes from time and continuing to put the stuff out there.
So again, if you're ever having doubts on something, go, because I guarantee you, you know, if you like NFTs, you're going to find at least one person.
You're like, oh my gosh, we've got this common denominator in this silly JPEG that we love
for whatever reasons that we love it.
Boom.
Then you've got your, your conference
buddy, right? Maybe they're there by themselves and that you never know what that can lead to
and what that can start. And it's led to so many really cool experiences for me personally.
And I can't recommend it enough to just, if it's go to your local meetup, go to your local thing,
or, you know, pick some time in advance and go to art basil or come to just anything that that's going on and it will be worth it if you are serious about the
space if you're committed to the space because it just fast forwards and accelerates relationships
that just can't be done from irl and when you can just get a chance to fist them, it's just that changes everything.
Yeah, that's a valid point. I don't mean the fisting, but you meet people IRL. Yeah, you do. You're a fister, dude.
Oh, I know. Yeah, I have a few of them.
But you meet people here on Timeline, then you can hang out with them on Spaces,
then you meet them IRL, and then you can hang out in the other side.
And really, it makes their relationships better,
and you can network with other people.
It's really something that if you mentioned,
or if you said someone like,
maybe even 10 years ago,
but if you mentioned it like 20, 30 years ago
that this is going to happen,
they would be like, oh, you're crazy.
You're talking to people on Spaces on some kind of like weird app or in the other side
in like a game.
You're crazy.
But it's a reality right now.
And it's amazing.
I love it because we are all living in different places and we can hang out here, share our
opinions, learn from each other.
I think it's an incredible opportunity for everyone, guys.
So keep going, keep going, don't give up.
I think we are progressing.
No one is giving up here.
And I love it.
I love it.
It's an incredible journey.
And every journey has ups and downs.
It doesn't matter how rich you are, how famous you are, whatever.
Everyone has ups and downs.
So you just have to
keep going. That's the alpha.
That's what I would say here.
Never stop chopping.
And never stop
chopping, yeah.
But guys, we
just hit the two hours.
We will slowly wrap it up.
I'm really grateful
for everyone who joined us here on stage today. I'm really grateful for everyone who joined us here on stage today
I'm really grateful for everyone who listened to us
Squiddy also thank you so much for the giveaway
you're such a legend guys
if you can go and mint Fisters
because Squiddy is
OG builder in the space
amazing space host
he has huge plans with Fisters
I know it's art projects
I know Squiddy but I know they are also coming to the other side, probably.
Who knows, right?
And yeah.
Yeah, I'm getting ready to put into hyperdrive, which is fun.
We're going to mint through the end of the month.
And I appreciate everyone's patience, too.
Again, we're like 16 away from being 50% minted, which is really exciting.
Again, we're like 16 away from being 50% minted, which is really exciting.
If you're a community out there, if you're a builder, if we're a friend,
and you want to find some sort of collaboration, hit me up.
This is going to have the, you know, yeah, art project.
But, you know, we're doing some good things with it.
The Fisters are squiddy, however, kind of moving forward in the space.
They stand for collaboration, right, and connection. So if you know me, you kind of moving forward in the space they stand for collaboration right and
connection so if you if you know me you kind of have an idea and you know we're open to collaborating
with everything on ape chain and it's going to be a fun rest of the month whatever does not get
minted i will mint to the community wallet maybe we'll sell some in the other side we're going to
do some fun exchanges for people for for paid minters and Minters who want to get that one Fister that they love.
We're going to make sure everyone gets their grail.
And we'll continue to do some fun stuff.
The trading will go live January 1st.
And I'm just, I'm really excited.
You know, these things are, these things are my passion and moving forward in the space.
Appreciate you giving me the opportunity to talk about them.
Excited to give some fist lists away.
And again, if you're on the fist list, we add them on Fridays.
We add them on Fridays for Fist to Fridays.
And yeah, just love the art.
Big ups to Evan Hilton, my favorite artist in the space,
doing some really cool stuff.
He just had an awesome drop with the Pixel Pals.
I was so excited to see that.
And yeah, I think these are fun, good Pals. I was so excited to see that.
And yeah, I think these are fun, good collectibles.
I think it's great.
I think it's a fun art project.
Obviously, I'm a little biased because I see them every time and they make me crack up.
But most of the people here, everyone on the stage, I'm pretty sure has a fister.
I see most people down there have a fister.
Appreciate all the support as well.
And if you're in the Yacht Club, you want a cool NFT, hit me up. You want to collaborate on it,
hit me up. This is what it's all about. And much love, man.
Thank you so much for joining us, man. Good luck. 50%
is amazing. And job's not finished, right? There's still plenty of time
until the end of the year.
So keep going, keep going.
Guys, again,
thank you so much,
everyone, for listening.
If you have heavy metals,
don't forget to bridge them
or migrate them
or how to call it.
Probably bridge them, right?
To Ape Chain.
That's another transaction.
So yeah,
if you are not on banter,
go there, sign up.
You know, it might be a solid chunk of ApeCoin.
Why not?
Why not?
Have fun.
Oh, shit.
Did I mute you?
Or Tino, you mute me?
Or what just happened?
Or a misplaced?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I just see everybody's now muted.
Sorry, guys.
I didn't mean it.
But have fun, right?
Go to the other side.
It's the end of the year.
Still final push to finish everything that you want to finish
yeah Tino anything from your side
I'm having
goosebumps when you say it's end of the year
already
still two crazy weeks ahead
of me and
pushing hard man
can't wait for the next show
can't wait for what's gonna happen
in the space and thank you guys for uh joining us it was an awesome show it was really great to
think and talk about the other side and from somebody who's already been inside as a builder
as a creator in the odk if you just joined, make sure to listen back to the recording or check it
tomorrow on your favorite podcast platform
just to remind you you're available also
there as a grateful show
and thank you guys for tuning in.
Always a pleasure.
Let's fucking go.
Let's fucking go, everybody.
You still can claim the badge
for 21 hours. The code is
megacoda.
op.xyz forward slash claim. The code is megacoda. op.xyz forward slash claim. And the code is megacoda. Yeah, it's open for another 21 hours. So you still have time,
even if you're listening to recording. Yeah, yeah, we put this info at the end of the space,
which is awesome. Maybe I might say it, you know, earlier a little bit, but next time we'll do that.
Next time we'll do it, right?
We'll start with that.
Yeah, yeah, we'll start with that.
Let's fucking go.
Thank you so much for the support, guys.
Enjoy December.
We still have plenty of things to do.
We have incredible guests on Thursday.
Stay tuned.
I'll be sharing the space and announcing the space
soon. And let's fucking go.
This was Grateful Show 422.
Let's go!
And you know what's coming, guys.
You know what's coming.
Everybody!
Clap their hands!
Clap your hands!
Clap your hands! Clap your hands. Everybody clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Come on, y'all.
Don't be tired.
Say, I'm not tired.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
I'm not what.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands.
Clap your hands. Clap your hands. Clap your hands. Clap your hands. Clap your hands. Clap your hands. I'm not tired! I'm not tired! I'm not what? I'm not what? I'm not what?
The fans are falling to the sun and the center of the earth, in the middle of the universe.
And why is this first coming six-time rehearsed?
Go free, stop, look, run, and let's go.
We need some screens controlled by the fans.
Let's go, everybody.
Have a great Tuesday.
Let's go.
And I think Welcome Apes is happening tomorrow.
So if I'm correct, go there and invite new apes.
Let's fucking go, everybody.
