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Building the Universal Future of Blockchain: ZetaChain-Sui Integration
Recorded: Aug. 22, 2025 Duration: 0:45:09Space Recording
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awesome awesome then we can start welcome back to cryptic talks there guys the show where we dive
deep into the ideas technologies and partnerships shaping the future of blockchain.
I'm your usual host, Paul speaks. And today, we're unpacking a landmark moment in interoperability,
the integration of Zeta Chain in SUI. This is more than just another technical milestone.
This is about building the universal fabric of Web3. For years, users and developers have struggled with fragmented ecosystems, risky bridges, and the constant friction of moving assets across chains.
With ZetaChain's universal layer and Sui's move-based high-performance architecture,
we're entering a new era where cross-chain experiences feel seamless, secure, and most importantly, accessible.
Joining me is Alex Kim, ecosystem leader at ZetaChain, who is here to share not just what, but the why and where next.
We'll talk about how this integration changes the game for developers,
what opportunities it unlocks for users from DeFi to NFTs to AI agents,
and why Bitcoin and Sui together could
be one of the most powerful liquidity flows in crypto. Welcome. Alex, if you can hear me,
just feel free to give us some background thoughts, expectations regarding today's episode
and of course updates on your mood. Sure, yeah i think overall doing well um yeah i can't
say anything more just a normal day here today in new york city um but yeah great to be here
awesome i think that this is our second episode uh and i am very excited to have you here again because I really believe that Zeta Chain is doing something right here.
And it's very valuable to share it with people across our audiences and viewers as well.
First of all, I thought that Sui could join as well, but they canceled last minute.
But anyways, I think that there's going to be a deep dive into the zeta chains architecture anyway and of course i have prepared different questions with
which i'm going to talk to you today alex uh i hope you can forgive me for that and hope that
this torture can be sweet though dear listeners whether you are a builder looking for your next
fronter and investor tracking where capital will, or simply a believer in a truly universal blockchain future, this episode is for you.
Let's get into it.
And the first question is going to be, why did Zeta Chain choose to integrate Sui at this point in time?
And how does Sui's architecture, like its move-based execution model and high throughput enhance your vision for
universal interoperability? Yeah, absolutely. We looked at SWE a couple months ago and we
identified different opportunities in the SWE ecosystem. First, there was a lot of stablecoin
volume coming into SWE and it was a rational decision for us because at the time there
weren't a lot of bridges that were supporting Suite.
And even some of the current bridging systems right now
or bridging protocols don't fully support full assets
on Suite.
So a user can most likely only bridge only Suite asset,
USCC, and maybe some other assets right now as well.
So we were looking into it and we just saw a number
of very, very high volume going to Suite.
I think at one point there was about 200 million USDC that was being minted on Suite the last couple months.
So these are opportunities that we identified and we saw a lot of trading activity inside of Duxes, a lot of activity in their DeFi ecosystem as well as the gaming ecosystem. So it was pretty much a very eye-opening experience and it was a telltale for us to finally integrate
Suite.
Awesome.
Thank you so much for that great breakdown.
And yeah, thanks for sharing that, Alex.
It's really interesting how you pointed out the gap with bridges not fully
supporting sui assets because that shows why a deeper integration actually matters. A lot of
times in the cross-chain space, people talk about universal connections, but the details
like whether assets are truly supported make or break adoption. What you said about seeing $200, you said, millions in USDC volume on Sui over just the
past few months really highlights that this isn't just theory, it's a real demand.
And that kind of attraction shows that users are really already voting with their wallets
and the infrastructure needs to keep up. I think
what's exciting is that ZetaChain stepping in here actually helps reduce friction for those users who
otherwise feel stuck between ecosystems. And when you combine that with Sui's move-based execution
model, it's not just about speed, it's about safety and clarity and how assets are managed as well.
So I think listeners will love that this is not just an integration for the sake of partnerships,
but a response to what the market was already demanding. That kind of a user-first mindset is
what makes blockchain adoption move from hype to habit. And it's great to see zeta chains and so you're really leaning into that vision
together though also how does this integration fundamentally simplify developer and user
experiences particularly compared to conventional bridge-based interoperability from your point of
view alex yeah i think it's pretty it's a pretty straightforward answer. Bridging protocols can only allow you to bridge assets from one chain to another.
There's a lot more use cases to be open with Zeta Chain and the suite integration here.
So if there was a yield aggregated product on Zeta Chain, let's say there's a money market on suite.
Like Cetus, or maybe there's a money market on Suite as well.
What you could do is build an application on ZDChain,
a single-state application.
Suite is automatically integrated with all these different chains,
and the user can connect their EVM wallet
and use their EVM assets to deposit whatever asset from EVM
and then deposit into this money market on Suite
to earn, let's say,
5%. Bridging protocols only allow you to move assets from one chain to another. But when you're
on suite, there's not much that you can do besides there, right? So you have to go on the suite
ecosystem and do all these manual things again, right? Zeta chain simplifies so in addition to sending your assets from one chain
to another like Bitcoin to see you can call a smart contract on sweet to now do another smart
contract action with the user's sweet swap before another asset deposit it into a money market or, I don't know, stake it into a suite protocol in a single click UI UX.
Thank you, Alex. I think that's a really clear way to explain the difference here.
And I think it's click with a lot of people who's listening right now. With a traditional
breach, you're basically just pulling an asset from point a to
point b and that's it it's like having a one-way ferry helpful but limited and you can't really do
much while you're on it and what you're describing with zeta chain though it's more like having a
whole highway system that lets you do things while you're traveling between chains.
For example, I love how you put it.
Someone can deposit from their EVM what an actually earn year old and sue you
without needing to manually move over, set up and manage assets themselves.
That's a huge simplification because users don't want to deal with 10 steps
just to earn 5%.
From a developer's perspective, it also means,
as far as I'm understanding,
that they can build one app on Zeta chain
and immediately tap into opportunities across chains
rather than building custom bridge logic for each chain.
And this smart contract composability is a real unlock
because now staking, lending, and depositing
can all be triggered in one flow without the user
hoping around between platforms uh alex you can correct me if i'm wrong again i'm just trying to
sum up some of your thoughts and put it in detail for uh for listeners as well but i really think
it's not only you're not making it simpler but it's also safer because this combination simplicity
for the user power for the for the developer and less risk for everyone feels like the the
true factor that that three has been missing and if listeners can picture that they will
immediately see how this a step forward compared to old school bridges in a way the zeta chain is
doing for interoperability what smartphones did for computing it's a kind of a collapse
collapsing multiple steps into one simple seamless experience and once people get used to that going will feel outdated definitely um also sorry um i i i'm a little bit ill so i'm maybe you will hear
that my voice is uh not pretty stable but uh another thing that i also wanted to ask which
universal apps are leveraging integration already and what kind of a use cases are emerging
first like defi nft pervs what are you seeing here yeah absolutely so one of the ecosystem apps are
leveraging the suite integration already our dexes and we have a couple others that are working on it
right now but this could be our techs like Zuno or even
Beam right now, which allows users to swap from one chain to another. And then we have some other
universal apps that are working on the SWE integration as well. So this could be something
like Yield Millionaire, which recently launched, which will allow a user to deposit USDC from SWE
and then just have some yield exposure by being able to deposit that into money markets on ETH or base
without having to bridge or do anything else in a single click UI UX.
Awesome. I actually researched this question as well and there are a lot of early
use cases already uh leveraging data chains to integration and highlighting both their versatility
of the technology and the pent-up demand for seamless cross-chain functionality Zuno as you
mentioned the cross-chain DAX is a perfect example because trading has always been the first frontier for interoperability and the ability to source liquidity from multiple ecosystems, including Sui's high-speed environment, allows traders to get better execution without even realizing assets are moving behind the scenes.
And there is, correct me if I'm wrong, but there are also another use case, Yield aggregator Amana, right?
Yes, that's correct.
I think it also stands out because Yield farming has always required cumbersome bridging between ecosystems,
systems often leaving users frustrated or exposed to high gas costs and by attracting those processes
often leaving users frustrated or exposed to high gas costs.
a mana can now let users deposit in one place and earn yield strategies across many chains including
sui and without added friction uh I think what excites me here is that the integration is not
limited to one category yes defy will likely dominate the
early wave but let's see nft is gaming and even ai driven automations are all waiting in the wings
and by integrating sui is that the chains isn't just like connecting liquidity pools
i think it's really unlocking entire new classes of applications and the best part is that these aren't theoretical projects
like zuna and amana are already live and were like onboarding and that immediately means we're not
talking about distant possibilities but tangible user experiences happening right now and this is
how ecosystems mature not by waiting for adoption but by actively enabling it with real usable integrations.
Also, your colleague Jonathan Covey mentioned that native BTC integration could unlock real capital flows and yield opportunities for SEO users.
Why is this an important opportunity?
How do you think this materializes, actually?
Yeah, for sure.
So in the suite ecosystem right now, there's really no such thing as native Bitcoin.
Even though a lot of those, maybe there are some articles out there that says that native Bitcoin is coming to suite,
is coming to SWE or maybe there's Bitcoin coming over to SWE. It's actually not native at all.
or maybe there's Bitcoin coming over to suite.
It's actually not native at all.
It's like some sort of wrapped Bitcoin equivalent, which is pretty much the same as the previous
Bitcoin L2 narrative that we had about a year and a half ago. Nothing is using native Bitcoin at all.
On Zeta Chain, what you can do is actually swap between native Bitcoin to some SWE assets.
And it's pretty straightforward. The user only has to connect their bitcoin wallets
they could connect their unisat wallet xverse wallet leather wallet any bitcoin wallet and as
long as they have native bitcoin not some wrapped or bridged equivalent bitcoin that's on evm or
some other chains you can swap that into sweet assets in a single click yux and yes the sauce
will take a bit long but that's what you get for
having native Bitcoin. Gotcha. Gotcha. So I think that it's very important clarification here. I
think it makes the opportunity even clearer. Right now, most people think of BTC as kind of a, I don't know, sleeping giant asset.
Huge market cap, but not always easy to actually use in DeFi.
And traditionally, if someone wanted to bring Bitcoin into another ecosystem, they'd have to wrap it or trust a custod which adds friction and risk and what you're describing
is different users can hold only a native btc wallet no extra layers and still swap directly
into suyu assets um correct me if i'm wrong but that's powerful because if i'm understanding it
correctly it lowers the barrier for btc holders who often don't want to deal with extra wallets
or complex bridging steps uh it basically says you don't need to change your behavior just bring
your bitcoin and you can immediately access sui's opportunities if it's of course native bitcoin
and i think that for you for sui users well, this is another kind of audience that I think valuable to mention.
That means fresh liquidity and new wave of capital entering the ecosystem.
And for BGC holders, it's a way to put their assets to work beyond just holding without compromising on custody.
compromising on custody.
Yeah, it's less about like BGCM and Tsuoy and more about Zeta Chain making the connection
invisible to the end user.
And when something becomes invisible like that, it tends to scale fast because it feels
natural.
That's why I think Jonathan's point resonates.
It's about bridging the biggest pool of crypto capital into one of the fastest ecosystems
in a way that finally feels user first.
And if that happens, we could see a real acceleration in both adoption and liquidity
depth across SUI.
Also, maybe another thing that I also wanted to ask you, Alex, by embedding interoperability at the consensus level, how does Zeta Chain address the security risks that plug bridge-based systems?
Do we have any safeguards in place?
Yeah, for sure. So I think the context here is most bridges and even some other cross-chain protocols, their current security is using a multi-signature wallet.
Some of these multi-signature wallets only require two out of three signatures in order to do something.
and hundreds of millions of TVL was lost
because the multi-sig wallet only required
a very small number of signatures from the users
or whoever the admins are to drain all the funds.
This is pretty universal across most other bridging protocols as well.
In the past, and I mentioned the Bitcoin L2s again,
in order to quote-unquote lock and mint
a new Bitcoin equivalent version, it went through a multi-signature wallet.
So pretty much the users were cussing their native Bitcoin into this multi-sig wallet, blindly trusting whoever was behind it.
And then the protocol itself was minting out a wrapped equivalent version of that Bitcoin based on that multi-sig.
equivalent version of that Bitcoin based on that multi-sig. What differentiates data chain is that
the security is built into the protocol itself, meaning that the private key addresses for the
Bitcoin custody addresses and everything else, like the SWE assets as well, is distributed amongst our
subset of validators called observer signers. There's about nine of them right now. Each of
them have a very separate version and a portion of the TSS keys or the private keys of those custody addresses as well.
So we do it on a validator managed custody, very different from a traditional multi-sig as well.
So that's how we address the security risks that currently plague other ecosystems and perhaps apps as well right now.
Interesting.
I'm not just a tech person here,
but thank you for explanation here.
And to be honest,
I need to even put this answer on repeat a little bit
so I can understand better.
But I think that like the actual scale of blockchain
interoperability here like has always been security and bridges have unfortunately been
some of the most like catastrophic points of failure in that three from my point of view at
least billions have been lost because bridges often rely on external relays or multi-seed custodians that represent weak trust assumptions.
And what ZetaChain has done differently
is embed interoperability directly at the consensus layer, right?
Yes.
So quote-unquote bridging is built into the protocol itself.
So it means the entire validator set collectively manages the
process of custody and verification. You said you have around nine validators right now, right?
No, so that's nine observer signers. So in terms of validators, we have more than 50,
but there's a second set of validators in the ZDOT chain architecture that
runs validators for all the other chains
that we're connected with.
Okay, got it.
So that's actually not just a design choice.
It's kind of a fundamental reframing of how cross-chain value transfers should work.
So by avoiding ROP tokens and instead creating 0C, zero c20 is backed by native assets involved
that are managed custody that the chain removes many of the attack surfaces that plugged uh bridges
so that's correct uh let me try to make an example. Like, instead of minting an arbitrary RAP token on a destination chain,
Zeta chain ensures that each asset is represented by a custody-backed token,
whole security is directly tied to the validator set's consensus mechanism.
And I think that that's a much stronger model because it aligns incentives across the entire chain
rather than outsourcing security to a small group of actors
and additionally these validators in the chains model are not simply securing one chain but
maintaining state awareness across multiple ecosystems which gives them the context and and i guess responsible responsibility to ensure cross-chain operations uh are legitimate i think
from my perspective the real innovation is even psychological as well as technical is there's no
longer have to trust a bridge which has become a dirty phase in that three instead they can try
the same consensus that secures the base chain itself.
And that's the ultimate safeguard.
Making interoperability a native function rather than an external add-on.
I think with this approach, risks don't kind of vanish,
but they are mitigated within a framework of collective responsibility
and this scriptographic verification
rather than depending on fragile third-party infrastructure you guys doing really good job and
they're very innovative at least from from me not non-technical person I would never even get an
idea that it is possible to do things like that. Though, I would love also to dive into your roadmap
that gonna deepen suicide interoperability.
Do you have any next steps planned already,
especially like the features like, I don't know,
reverse interoperability, allowing BTC or Ethereum users
to access apps?
Yeah, I mean, it really depends on the apps that are being built on Zeta Chain.
But you can do some of these features already.
So, for example, in cases like the Yield Aggregator,
you can deposit assets from EVM into SWE ecosystem apps as well
to earn a certain reward rate or APY
coming from those DeFi applications.
Yeah, I think even with Zuno and our Dexons right now,
you can swap between EVM assets to SWE assets as well,
but it really depends on the apps
that are being built on Zeta chain.
Okay, okay, got it.
So right now, the flow we have been talking about
is mostly about SUI assets becoming accessible
to outside x systems but um this
reverse interoperability um like i mentioned with yelled aggregators opens the door for the opposite
users from evm or even btc can tap into sui native apps without friction so instead of needing to become a SUI user first, they can simply bring what they already hold and get direct exposure. Right, Alex?
Yeah, exactly. So you can build an application on Zeta Chain. Some of these features are already live as well.
You can, yeah, pretty much the taxes that we talked about in the previous questions as well, it's all live.
You can swap from EVM assets to SWE assets in a single-click EUX and do further things with that in our next data chain upgrade as well to do further actions with it.
So, for example, an Ethereum user could deposit Ethereum into a Zeta chain powered app.
And under the hood, it could swap into Sui assets to earn yield, right?
Exactly.
So when you swap into Sui, now the user Sui on the Sui network
will be deposited into whatever network or Sui app to earn a yield on it,
a yield on it, like a money market or their staking platform.
like a money market or their staking platform.
Okay.
Okay.
That makes Suze DeFi ecosystem very available to a much broader pool of
capital than just those already on chain there.
And I think it also makes things like liquidity mining or lending protocols
more attractive too, because the base of potential depositors multiplies a lot and it's not just
like yield aggregators i think that we could see this model extend to other spheres like gaming
nfts or any app that benefits from fresh liquidity and new users and from my perspective beauty is that the complexity of moving between chains disappears
for for the end user that i think that really expands the funnel of who can become a sui
app user because you don't have to onboard them with new wallets or assets and on the
roadmap i imagine that means building more generalized tools so any developer can plug reverse interoperability into
their apps it's almost like ipis or sdks that let them say okay i want ethereum btc and usdc
users to be able to join my sui app instantly and that kind of a toolkit would accelerate real
adoption because builders won't need to reinvent the wheel each time
and for users it feels like sui is suddenly everywhere even if they're never downloaded
the sui wallet that's a big unlock because ecosystems grow fastest grow yeah ecosystem
grow fastest when access points multiply as well and I think that the next step isn't just like deeper technical integration.
It's making those integrations usable for everyday developers.
So in many ways is the ultimate goal of interoperability,
not just connecting chains, but making them invisible to the people who use them.
And as we talk a little bit about the developer experience and what they can do here, maybe
we can dive deeper into specific tooling like SDKs, templates, move adapters, testing sandbox.
What are you providing to make it easy for studio builders to create create universal apps on Zeta Chain from day one?
Absolutely. So we have a number of toolkits already available on the Zeta Chain ecosystem.
So the way that it works for a developer is you simply deploy your smart contracts that are EVM
compatible on Zeta Chain. There's nothing you have to do for the SWE ecosystem. Once you have your smart contracts deployed on Zeta Chain,
you can just enable your front end to allow SWE wallet connections,
and Zeta Chain won't handle the rest.
That's it.
We already have a number of SDKs that provide all the tooling
for some of these things as well,
such as the wallet connection, smart contract deployments and such,
as well as different EVM smart contract templates
that are already live. And we have our own testing environment, local net as well, on Zeta Chain. But
yeah, for the developers, you're building on Zeta Chain and you enable the front end for all these
different chain connections.
Awesome.
I'm glad to, I'm glad to hear that.
Thank you, Alex, for bringing that to the listeners as well.
I think that one of the biggest challenges for any new integration isn't just like the
infrastructure, the developer experience as well.
Builders need clear pathways to experiment, test and deploy without having to
like reinvent the wheel.
And with the Zeta chains to integration, the focus has been on delivering like a
complete set of developer tooling from day one, as I can hear what you're
describing, so that builders can immediately start creating these universal
apps and uh I think that for the SUI ecosystem specifically more like more adapters are a
critical piece of the toolkits as well which can allow SUI developers who are already comfortable
with move to to integrate zeta chain functionality without having to step
outside their comfort zone and this is important because if you want to attract the best developers
you need to meet them where they are testing sandboxes and simulation environments are also
being rolled out as far as like i i saw i read but a host here, I think the bigger story is how this tooling lowers the barrier of entry for innovation.
And the reality is great ideas often never see daylight because the infrastructure is too daunting.
And by giving so developers access to SDK adapters and different sandboxes,
toolkits, Zeta Chain is making interoperability something you can plug in with confidence and not
a mountain you have to climb. So that has enormous amplifications for creativity. Suddenly,
even smaller teams can launch universal apps that compete at scale and from day
one the tools aren't just there to help people build they're there to help them imagine more
freely and that ultimately is what accelerates ecosystem growth as well but uh as i already asked
So as I already asked a little bit about roadmap part,
do you have any near-term metrics that you're going to track
to go to the success of this SUI integration?
I don't know, active universal apps, cross-chain,
ticks count, SUI deposits, or BTC SUI, ROTED volume.
What kind of targets are you comfortable sharing
for the next two quarters if you have some?
Yeah, absolutely.
So our success metrics for the SUI integration is
number of universal ads are deployed on Zeta Chain
that allows the SUI integration in their front ends.
And definitely cross-chain transaction counts
between SUI, Zeta Chain, or SUI to other chains powered by Zeta Chain as well.
I think something interesting could be Bitcoin to SWE related volume.
But yeah, I think it's just pretty interesting to see what chains are going to be bridged into SWE.
I think historically, some of these metrics are pretty outdated, like the Bitcoin SWE routed volume.
I don't think there's a lot of Bitcoin SWE bridging these days anymore anyway, but we
could come up with our own metrics to make sure that it targets the cross-chain transaction
count and for us to get better insight of who from what chains are swapping from one
chain to SWE as well.
Yeah, in the next two quarters, I think it's pretty hard to say.
The SWE integration just went live this month.
So we don't really have any results right now
because it's only been a couple of weeks.
But so I don't know what the next two quarters
are going to look like,
but those are definitely our near-term success metrics
right now.
Got it, got it. Thank thank you Alex thank you for sharing that um I think that that's great point and love how you brought up like different different metrics as well like cross-chain transactions, universal apps right away, it really shows
where the focus is because those two at least feel like the heartbeat of whether their integration
is actually working in practice. And when you start to see people moving value across chain
smoothly, that's when you know the pipes are solid and with universal apps adoption is such a clear
signal since developers won't build unless the experience is actually worth it i also like that
you hinted like um regarding other criteria too because it reminds me that sometimes the most surprising metrics show up from places we
don't expect for example maybe it's the speed of confirmations right or the drop in failed
transactions or that end up being just as as telling and the idea of watching how many new
chains get added is exciting too because that speaks to network
effects as well on chain is useful but like one chain is useful but three five or ten make the
whole system way more compelling it's like social media no one wants to join if only two people are
there but once the network grows the value multiplies too. And what's also cool that I noticed that the more chains get connected, the more the data
fits into itself.
And suddenly you can measure not just activity within one app or one token, but how value
helps across ecosystems.
And that's a story developers and investors both care about just from different angles.
And it also gives you some flexibility in how you define
success in the early quarters to maybe quarter one is about like proving people actually
transact and the quarter two is about showing growth and new chain supported i will follow
your socials and i'm gonna watch closely um and i'm gonna support every new milestone uh and the new heads that you're gonna
achieve in any kind of a metric that you will choose but hearing you say cross-chain transactions
and universal apps gives me confidence you're looking at the foundation and not just surface
hype and i imagine that mindset will set you up to make smart adjustments as the next quarters unfold and i'll be fun to check back
uh check back in and i guess i have only one question left for you uh time flies but we
actually got through all my enormous amount of questions really fast though maybe you can share alex with us how are fees handled as well for sui users
interacting with apps on other chains via zeta chain like gas abstraction or uh metrics transactions
or sponsorship like what are you doing to keep cross-chain ux truly one click under my net load
yeah i think the answer for this is very simple when
you do cross-chain swaps or cross-chain interactions on zeta chain um we remove it from your source and
destination assets so um the gas on sui is deducted from your deposit on sui and the gas that you pay
on the destination asset is just deducted from your final asset as well so it is truly is a
single click ui ux um for swaps into into Zeta Chain or swaps on Zeta Chain,
you're going to pay a Zeta fee.
But most of the apps do a gas sponsorship
through gas extraction providers already on Zeta Chain.
So there's a Paymaster account,
and these apps pretty much sponsor users' gas transactions
on Zeta Chain already.
But yeah, the answer is pretty simple
for cross-chain transactions from one chain to another it's deducted from your source and
destination asset swaps on zeta chain is handled through gas abstraction or some other gas
sponsorship solutions right now
got it yeah really uh it is really simple i agree you. But it actually makes a lot of sense. And I think users will appreciate the clarity. So basically, if I'm a SUE user doing a cross-chain swap, the fees come straight out of the source asset.
paying us from whatever chain they start on. Then on top of that, there's a Zeta fee when the actual
swap happens on Zeta chain, which is like fair since the protocol is doing the heavy lifting.
And I like that it simplifies the mental math for users. They don't need to juggle tokens from
multiple chains just to cover fees. That kind of a headache is what usually scares people away from cross-chain activity. But what I'm hearing is
that you're really aiming for that one click in practice, not just in marketing language.
And honestly, that's the gold standard. Users shouldn't have to think about six different
gas tokens to move assets. And the idea of gas obstruction or sponsorship is great,
like in theory theory but the way
you're framing it pulling directly from source sounds much cleaner and it keeps the process
predictable which is huge when transactions are flying under like minute load because at scale
i think that every extra prompt or confusion point becomes friction. Though I also think that this model helps with transparency
since users can see upfront exactly what they'll pay without surprises.
And by keeping the flow simple, source fee plus data fee,
you're paving the way for a smoother mass market experience.
And I'm excited to see how
it holds up once man and traffic really rumps um yeah i hope that i didn't say any incorrect uh
thoughts here uh again uh you you can correct me if i'm wrong but um that's probably gonna be a
wrap on our today's episode of cryptic cryptic talks guys uh and what we have heard today is clear the data
chain sui integration isn't just about two chains connecting it's about reshaping how the entire
web3 ecosystem thinks about interoperability we explored together with alex high developers now
have the tools to build universal apps without the headaches of bridges, how users
can interact with cross-chain dApps in just one click, and why unlocking Bitcoin liquidity on
Suvi could rival the biggest players in the space. And most importantly, we have seen how
embedding entry variability at the consensus layer turns security into a feature and not
an afterthought. And yeah yeah i think that i would love
to extend huge thank you to alex for joining us today and sharing the clear answers uh here too
thank you so much uh and i would love to have more spaces together alex thank you
if you have some thoughts, final thoughts for our
listeners, feel free to share. Yeah, I would say just experiment with the Zeta Chain ecosystem.
There are a couple of universal apps already live. You can swap between Bitcoin to non-EVM
chains as well in a single click UI UX. We have our own grants program as well for developers that
want to get involved and build something new on Zeta Chain.
We're very open ears, so please feel free to explore the ecosystem.
And if you're interested in building, just let us know.
Awesome. Thank you so much, Alex.
And that was a wrap.
I'm Paola Speaks, and this has been Cryptic Docs.
Signing off for today.
Thanks to you, Alex.
Thanks to our listeners for tuning in.
Be sure to drop a follow to Cryptic and Zeta Chain official account
for more conversations at the edge of innovation.
And until next time, keep building, keep learning,
and keep believing in a truly connected path free.
Thank you, guys.
Have a good rest of the day, morning, or evening.
Ciao, ciao.
