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Castalia Pop-Up: MuseMatrix Fellows Lead the Way in DeSci Innovation 🎙️
Recorded: July 24, 2024 Duration: 0:51:30Space Recording
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Music Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next video. Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Hey everyone, welcome to this week's episode of D-Sci Mike.
This week's actually a very interesting topic that I'm excited to learn more about.
It's a shame I don't know more about this stuff right
but it's sort of on the intersection of network state pop-up cities and in DCI
and you know I've been following both DCI and network state, you know, sort of movements for a while now.
So, you know, very eager to learn more about, you know, Castalia, you know, and the involvement
of MuseMatrix.
And I invited a few folks from the network state space that might join us, you know,
later in the program.
As usual, I'm joined by Aaron McGinnis,
who's behind the Design Mic account.
We've got Muse Matrix up.
Tell us more.
And yeah, with that, take it away, Aaron.
Amazing.
Yeah, really excited to dive into this conversation today
on Network States, Pop-Up Cities,
kind of this movement or advancement of what does ecosystem development and coordination of the future look like,
especially as it might not be kind of geographically locked to one particular location.
And kind of kicking off the conversation is some of the work that
we're doing at Muse Matrix and really the fellows are driving this forward called Castalia. So
Barrett, I know you're behind the Muse Matrix account today. If any of our fellows are tuning
in throughout this call, definitely feel free to request the mic or anyone else listening in that have questions or other projects you're working on related to the theme of network states, pop-up cities, startup societies of the future.
Barrett, if you're able to give an overview of Castellia.
Awesome. Thank you. And just to confirm, you guys can hear me okay?
Yes, great. Great, I always have issues on this phone, so it's good to know not today. Yeah,
so to give a bit of introduction to myself, so my name is Barrett. I've been to a bunch of network state events now I was in Zuzulu,
Zoo Connect, I was in Vitalia earlier this year along with Erin and on Friday I'm heading off to Zoo Village Georgia so very much in kind of the space as of last year pretty much half of my time
has been spent at one of these and one of the things that I noticed coming from a medical and science background was the lack of medical and science people there.
Vitalia was a little bit of an exception because it had a strong focus on longevity. So there were
a bunch of biotech startups, but there were hardly any scientists there. Understandably,
because there are probably very few nomadic scientists. I really wanted to explore what this concept of network state,
living in a community where you can have an abundance of unstructured conversations
alongside cross-pollinating people and ideas that you normally don't come across.
And when I was speaking to, I think it was Boris, who used to work at Gitcoin,
I think he works for Eigenlayer now,
he mentioned to me that McGill University do this thing
where once a year they go, take a bunch of scientists
and go somewhere tropical.
I think Barbados is what he mentioned.
And there's no kind of conferences, there's no keynote speeches
or any of the formal things.
It's just unstructured conversations and just trying to advance
whatever people are working on in this relaxed environment where you don't have an expectation
to deliver a speech.
And the fact that everyone attended found these significantly more useful than conferences,
much better than giving a keynote speech and you know having been an organizer of conferences and figuring out you
know how useful is this actually to advance the space forward and sometimes thinking that you
know almost the person that benefits the most from speaking or giving keynote speech is just
the speaker themselves and it doesn't really do that much it was kind of music to my ears hearing
that already somebody was doing something in this kind of line
and also the fact that people found it useful.
So that's kind of the basis of where my thoughts have been on this topic for a while.
And really since Zulu, since kind of last March or May,
I've always been thinking, you know, what would a network state event look like for scientists is it even
feasible can you even get scientists away from their lab for longer than kind of one or two weeks
and this is what the discussions we've been having with the muse matrix fellows which are two months
into the fellowship and we're kind of happy to announce that we will be doing an event this year
that we will be doing an event this year.
TBD on the exact date and location,
we are thinking probably around November
and we've got a variety of different locations in mind,
but these are all things that we want to get community input for.
And yeah, it's just going to be that three-week event,
primarily scientists,
but you don't have to be a scientist to come
and focus just on unstructured conversations, impromptu workshops, and very much unconference style sessions.
I know I'm super excited for it, obviously biased, but it should really be a fantastic gathering and overall the the main objective here is really
on some of those outputs um can you talk a little bit about some of the intention
behind that focus or what that might look like
yeah and this kind of comes again to the point of, are conferences that useful and what are the tangible outputs of having gone to a conference?
And sometimes my thoughts are that they sometimes aren't great, or at least they can be improved upon.
So we're very much focused on having something tangible by the end of this three-week period,
think tangible by the end of this three-week period, almost to validate the concept that
bringing a bunch of scientists together, not having any structure to what they do there,
does lead to actual outcomes and accelerations of what people work on, whether that's
new form partnerships, whether that's people that were working on the same thing that
didn't realize they were, and they can kind of transfer information so very much focused on having something tangible
by the end of it and we almost want everybody to be taking part in some kind of project while they
are there um an example of a project could be taking part in a decentralized trial and like the
easiest example of this would be doing something and measuring your brain waves.
Just the utility of having so many people there at the same time opens up the door for people to be able to do certain types of experiments and research that
are very hard to get done in a traditional academic way.
And this is just one, one example, um, a bunch of other examples, interesting
projects that we both want to work on while we are there as well as kind of
before and other events such as Georgia and events afterwards as well. Very much going to leave it to
the fellows, the community as to what we want to do there in the run-up to the actual event but
the kind of main takeaway from what I'm saying is that we want to prove that bringing scientists together leads to a tangible
outcome. Absolutely. This conversation today can definitely be an open one. So if anyone listening
in has any additional thoughts on this, given that a lot of the audience here right now is in the DSi ecosystem,
would love for you to come up on stage and join this conversation
or kind of brainstorm on if you have any visions of what a more science
or DSi-focused pop-up city or startup society kind of future state
might end up looking like.
In the meantime, we can definitely keep chatting through maybe some of the...
Some of the, yeah, Merrick, did you have something?
Yeah, Merrick, did you have something?
Yeah, please.
Sorry, I actually had to step away from the computer here for a second.
But, like, can you maybe for some people that are joining us or will be listening to the recording, right?
Maybe they're not, like, 100% honed in on the details of Castalia.
So, like, just a quick, like, what, when, where, why, I guess, right?
Just, like, you know, a couple sentences just for the folks.
But especially me, too.
Like, I'm eager to learn more.
Absolutely.
So, a lot of the details are kind of to be determined in terms of the date and location.
We're probably thinking, well, definitely by the end of this year.
So, yeah, things that we know for sure, definitely by the end of this year, it will be a three-week event,
and there'll be a minimum of 50 long-term residents, meaning that they stay there for the full duration.
Ideally, we want kind of 100, 150 people there, and a bunch of those won't need to stay the full duration,
but at least 50 there for the full time for three weeks.
And yeah, like I said, the intention is validating the concept
of bringing a bunch of people together
leads to some form of tangible outputs in science,
decentralized science and the intersection of public good funding
and open science and how that can work. In terms of location, we've got a bunch in our mind. We're potentially thinking
Mexico, potentially Thailand, potentially Cyprus, potentially Boston. A lot of this is going to be
based on community input and feedback as to where people want it, where would they be able to make,
and with a caveat that most scientists are not, well, they haven't got that much disposable income,
so it would need to be somewhere reasonably affordable.
And the actual inspiration from the name comes from the book Glass Bead Game by Herman Hesse.
I don't know if anyone in this audience has read it. If not, please do check it out.
And this was set in this fictional utopian society where there was this kind of ivory tower-esque kingdom of Castalia
that was dedicated to the intellectual pursuit of the synthesis of all human knowledge.
So that was, you know, maths, philosophy, art, science, etc. And the original name, which Hermann Hesky got the name from, was referencing the Castalian Spring.
And this is from Greek mythology, which was sacred to the Muses. So that's the tie-in to Muse Matrix and kind of aim of it.
Awesome. I've just pinned up above the waitlist to stay updated with what's happening at Castalia.
the waitlist to stay updated with what's happening at Castalia so if you just fill
out with your email there then you'll be able to stay up to date I've pinned that
to the top of this space happening right now.
One of the things that we're really interested in finding out from people
and so please do join the website and the Telegram link, which I can post shortly, is what can we do that would facilitate scientists being able to come?
For example, there might be study budgets or study leave that scientists have.
And, you know, if we wrote in some kind of poster presentation or something like this, would that be able to facilitate people to come?
So are there times of the year that are a bit easier?
For example, generally December is like the worst time of the year because no one wants to do anything.
That coincides with periods when, you know, as an academic, you're probably not doing that much.
So it might be that December actually works really well for academics
when it doesn't for most of the working world.
So I'd love any kind of feedback on that from either the audience here
or if you would join the Telegram, we're happy to talk about it more.
That sounds like one of those mass coordination problems that DAOs are supposed to solve.
Definitely. And a lot of the work that has been done in DAOs is really foundational to
kind of the ability for some of these communities and ecosystems or cities to even exist, whether it's looking at it from
a governance, coordination, even just convening people in organized ways, perspectives,
all of this is, in my mind, an interesting kind of iteration on top of that.
kind of iteration on top of that. If anyone has additional thoughts either on DAOs, kind of the
future of these pop-up cities, or what you might like to see, or what might get you to come join Castalia or another pop-up city that might be
maybe in a location that is closer or more favorable for you. What different aspects might be
or factors might be most important for you to see? Would love to open the floor for
anyone to request the mic and come up here and share their thoughts. Yeah, Merrick.
So yeah, while we wait for folks to request the mic and go through the whole user flow there, you know, sorry, I got to get a drink of water.
Actually, I'll be right back.
Sorry.
Cool. I know there has been a lot of kind of intention and thought put behind, for instance, why not to have the whole schedule filled up completely?
Do you want to touch on some of these considerations or just kind of more of a community-driven approach or some of these other thoughts that I know we've chatted through.
In the meantime, I'll accept Poseidon DAO's request to come speak and another prompt for
anyone else to join too.
Yeah, sure.
So of the events that I've been to, they've followed a fairly similar structure where
they've had focused programming
either every two weeks,
if it was like a two month event
or every day, if it was a shorter two week event.
And these revolved around a lot of the school of thoughts
that originated in Zuzalu,
where it was AI, ZK, Ethereum core,
the concept of network states.
And for me, the whole point of running these network states
is to experiment with the structure of it.
So we wanted to be clear that we didn't want to do
just a carbon copy of the previous existing events
because that might not be the best way to do these.
So we wanted to be very specific in experimenting
and doing something different, whether it's the structure, whether it's how the actual venue that it's hosted in and a whole host of other things.
Hey, yeah, sorry, it feels like I'm losing my voice.
I think it might be good to have as, as, you know, part of that decision matrix, so to speak, places which are reasonably possible to get a visa for a lot of folks in the world.
Like I know there's going to be, you know, there'd be challenges for folks like sometimes maybe financial getting over there.
Hopefully people can get support like once, once they're there on the ground.
people can get support like once once they're there on the ground but like you know if people
aren't able to get visas to go to this place like i i can be ashamed to exclude you know folks
100 and that has been some of the issues that have occurred previously despite people trying to
put in locations which are easier to even then people have ran into issues and yeah I would
love to host it somewhere that is easy for everyone to go to off the top of my head I'm not
super knowledgeable on which jurisdictions or locations are the easiest and most accessible
but that's definitely something we need to spend time delving into as part of this community bottom-up approach as to
deciding the location. But yeah, I absolutely agree with you.
Yeah, that's, I know we've had some issues with different fellows and other folks in the ecosystem as well who have tried to join some of these events in the past.
So that's very much a consideration where we're trying to balance, recognizing that is complex as well.
recognizing that is complex as well.
If people have any suggestions of locations
that might be particularly friendly to that,
definitely reach out on that front.
Yeah, Poseidon DAO.
Hey guys, thank you for bringing me up here.
Marco, behind the Poseidon DAO account today.
So I've seen the, I'm not that
familiar with Power Up Cities, but can someone actually break it a little bit down? I mean,
Barrett did already a great job, but break a little bit down for me as a scientist,
for me as a scientist, what would be the benefits and kind of what are the
incentives to let's say full-time scientists to then spend maybe their
pay time off to join these kind of events. I would love to go
but maybe I should read up more about it but would love to hear a summary of that.
Barrett, do you want to give an overview? Sure, so the term that is kind of being used very commonly right now is called the network state. And that was popularized by a book by Balaji. The book is free to read. I'll pop the link below. I think it's the network state dot com.
Definitely check that book out. It's really interesting, the structure of the book, because it summarizes the book in one sentence, in one paragraph, in one essay, and then it does the actual book.
So you can just kind of dive in and just check out the first few chapters about it.
The concept is a bit longer, kind of, I think, about 10 years where the terminology of startup city or startup village was used.
startup city or startup village was used.
And it's, there's many different schools of thoughts,
but one of the kind of main reasons is people were
not happy with the governance structures
of where they currently lived.
So it wasn't the most flexible or,
it wasn't providing the needs that they wanted to
and wanted to experiment the kind of intersection
with that and crypto with DAOs being able to allow different governance models I think has kind of
resurged this idea or accelerated it in the last few years with Balaji. In terms of like
my personal experiences with it so I was in Zizali for two months and that was the first one and that
was the first kind of big crypto one that occurred last year.
The incentive for people to go, and this was not something I knew beforehand,
it was very much unknown what was going to happen at this event
because there weren't much details.
But living with a bunch of people, there were 200 there,
then in and out every week, there were probably another 100 or two.
It was probably the first time in my life I actually felt
part of a genuine community. And if you'd asked me a question before I went, what communities
do you belong to? I probably would have listed a few. You know, I don't know, the martial arts
classical to the football subreddit that I visit every day. But being there made me realize, you
know what, there's probably zero communities I actually belong to, or actually feel part of,
I feel I provide value to,
that I feel that they provide value to me.
And living in this setting,
which was kind of like a university campus,
except everyone's a bit older, a bit more mature,
and actually has something to talk about.
You had this thing where someone that you saw
was not really a stranger
because they were part of this umbrella
above you and that isn't really something that I've experienced in any spaces after university
where you're a stranger but they're less of a stranger and you can kind of immediately start
talking to them because there's this umbrella or allegiance that's above you it's a yeah it's a
difficult thing to kind of try to adequately communicate this feeling of community,
but a lot of people that visited Zoli would have described it as life-changing and
kind of altered their trajectory of how they see their work-life balance, how they see
where they want to live. And we've seen since kind of the end of last year an explosion of
different people setting up different pop-up cities all experimenting with
different ways of running it, different locations and different styles.
I'm also just going to go on the networkstate.com and read out the summary in a sentence because I
think he does it much better than I do.
So in one informal sentence, according to Balaji, a network state is a highly aligned
online community with a capacity for collective action that crowds funds territory on the world
and eventually gains diplomatic recognition from pre-existing states. So this is more the
long-term goal and vision of it, which is start a community
online first, acquire some land somewhere and then move in and eventually get some sort of
diplomatic recognition from the state. So this has been more of a long term
long term thought. The only one that is kind of succeeding in and around this is Vitalia,
who are based in a special economic zone called Prospera
which is off the coast of Honduras where essentially there's an island off the coast of Honduras, a
private entity went to them and said can we buy a quarter of this land and we can control who goes
in and out. The government said yes sure. The Prosper and people that bought this were like okay
we can start doing biotech things here, solving some of the problems
in the rest of the world, which was in terms of the ability to do clinical trials and the
heavy burden of regulation, often some of it which was unneeded. So the regulatory barrier in
Prospera is a lot lower. So that's their kind of thesis as to how they can accelerate biotech by
having this sovereign bit of land that has recognition from the government there, that they can then attract people externally to move into.
I see. Thank you for explaining. That makes sense. And I really resonate with that long-term goal. I assume there will be some legal aspects that
will need some figuring out. But and where is Castalia if I pronounce it well?
You did pronounce it correctly. So you know to address your first point about the legal side,
I think what I've realized in the last year or so is that there are a lot of countries around the
world that are fairly supportive of this idea. And this is, you know, almost for them to try to
do the opposite of brain drain. Brain drain is when all the talented people are leaving a country,
whether it's scientists, whether it's people starting businesses, and trying to encourage do the opposite of brain drain. Brain drain is when all the talented people are leaving a country,
whether it's scientists, whether it's people starting businesses, and trying to encourage them to come somewhere else instead. And even more, you know, stable Western countries that
you thought may not be super interested in this, I've kind of understood our example being Italy.
So I think Italy has a bunch of these small villages that were pretty much
abandoned because people went to the main cities to get work because that was the only place
so there are places there that don't have a lot of people living there the fact that most people
can work remotely now the only thing you really need is some sort of infrastructure and good
internet speeds you could then have a bunch of talented people move in there, start businesses,
and then the country, Italy, in this example, could have some sort of tax deal with them
to say they would take a portion of the car or something like this.
I think you are going to see a bunch of these cities gain legal recognition.
I know Thailand's also interested, and I think a lot of other countries in the world are.
One other kind of angle I'd love to add into this conversation is like the Balaji definition of a network state is kind of one definition that kind of helped to
kick off some of this movement and these different ecosystems forming in different locations
and just connected throughout the world. But there's also other movements focused more on network nations and coordinating kind of at that type of level.
Some of it's a little bit focused on the exact wording of it and just kind of a slightly different angle.
So like the network state book and some of the conferences, there is a great starting point to really dive into this whole ecosystem.
But there's also other ways to get into the space if that particular angle doesn't resonate 100% or if you're looking for what else is also happening.
So just kind of wanted to add that in.
Victor, I know you've come up on stage
in the meantime as well.
Would love to hear some of your thoughts on this.
Yeah, thank you very much, Lynn,
and I'm happy to be here.
Yeah, this is Victor,
and I'm the voice behind DISA Youth
down there in the listeners
yeah and this has been really a great conversation and I'd like to go back to something
Balat was saying about how you are exploring on doing events differently and because this
is something that it's an opportunity we are also looking to leapfrog at the Disayu
initiative and we are mostly focusing on institutions because I come from Africa, Kenya specifically,
and we see Disay and all these emerging technologies that when we take them to students,
and especially bringing together science students and those students in the tech fields,
will go along with what this innovation we are looking into.
And also the idea of pop-up cities, like first of all,
And also the idea of pop-up Matrix and grow the design all together.
Amazing. That's one thing I definitely appreciate about the space and kind of this whole movement
Amazing.
in general, just the level of collaboration and coordination, especially as we're able to break
down some different walls and barriers that existed in maybe previous generations working
towards similar types of aims. For anyone that has joined
recently, would love to have you come up and share any thoughts you might have on
pop-up cities, network states, network nations. If you're building one as well,
Victoria, I see you join down below. I know you're working on some cool things in the space as well with
super strong alignment with DSI. Kiri, I see you too. If either of you are interested in joining,
please request the mic and I would love to have you share some of what you're working on as we're
talking about science and DSI being part of
some of these conversations about cities and ecosystems and nations moving into the future.
Cool. Victoria adding you now.
Poseidon Dow's had their hand up for a little while.
Oh, yes. Poseidon DAO, if you want to jump in first,
and then we'll go over to a couple of the other speakers that recently joined.
I think that's a Twitter thing. I did not have my hand up.
Sorry, but if I can join the conversation, I will definitely do.
Love it.
Always love you joining in on these combos.
Victoria, we'll jump over to you then.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Victoria.
Thank you for creating these spaces.
It's amazing to connect with you guys and know what's going on
and what other pop-up
cities are popping out around the world. Yeah, I'm building Zeller City, which is a six-week pop-up
village. It's dedicated to scientists and entrepreneurs and people who want to use the blockchain technology to advance longevity research, science, and basically
have a world without suffering pain and death. It's going to happen in Berlin in October to mid-November.
Right now the Gitcoin round just started yesterday so if you feel like this is a project you want to see happening in the world,
please contribute and reach out.
I would love to talk more about it.
Why we're doing it is like, of course,
Of course, it's contributing to the entire ecosystem of decentralized science.
it's contributing to the entire ecosystem of decentralized science.
We want to encourage people to open source their tools and to build more.
And scientists need this.
So we're here for it.
Love it. love it yes you've um you've definitely had a lot of uh great experience or presence across
a good number of the pop-up cities and are a key part of the dsci ecosystem specifically in
the longevity space so super excited for what you're building and also other ways we might be able to keep collaborating.
Amazing. Yes. I'm looking forward to it. Indeed. I was at Zouzalu for two months,
and then I went to ZooConnect, then I went to Vitalia, I went to Edge City. So basically,
and I'm going to Georgia as well to Zoo Village. So I've been exploring the space for a while and now it's time to build love it uh for anyone listening in um some of the work that Victoria is doing is also
part of the Zuzulu Q2 round so if you were at Zuzulu or Zoo Connect in Istanbul, definitely go check out her project on Gitcoin right now.
Castalia is on there as well and a whole bunch of other awesome projects.
And you can learn more there, too.
I just wanted to say one thing quickly, just to shout out to Victoria, because, yeah, she's been at a bunch of these events and she works both in the longevity space,
but she's been doing things that have tangible outputs in longevity by running a bunch of fitness classes, HIIT classes, etc.
So she's probably single handedly done more for people's longevity than just people that are just talking about it.
people that are just talking about it so just wanted to say shout out
So just wanted to say a shout out.
definitely and everyone seems to absolutely love her classes so whenever you go to a future pop-up
city definitely don't miss out on those amazing uh kiri would love to jump over to some of the
work that you're doing.
Maybe if you can hear me.
Hello.
Just go home.
I'm sorry. So, yeah, I just wanted to say that when it comes to, you know, building incentives
for doing science, I'm sorry, I was just going over the flood of stairs.
Just catching my breath.
So when it comes to...
Also, I'm a good time longevity. So when it comes to like attracting, like building incentives for doing science, when it comes to nation states, a lot of these incentives were built in order to attract talent, because that's important to, you know, some rogue countries in Europe, in Africa, in Asia, somewhat in the middle
of special economic zones and nation states.
So that makes them like a perfect bridge, I would say, between, you know, more free
cities, experiments like Prospera in the Honduras and Zanzibar in Tanzania.
And it brings like a different element to it of, let's say, lobbying against the nation-state narrative
in like a constructive way, I would say.
So, yeah, I'm from Cyprus.
I've been in Tuzalu last year during the first week when blockchain met Bio and
yeah that was like a very eye-opening experience for me. I thought that
like for following that weekend I guess the main ask was how do we bridge
digital communities with the real world and in my understanding that was, you know, you have to engage at some point with nation states.
So that's why following that conference, even though I was a contributor to Validao for some months,
I joined, you know, some part of the government here in Cyprus,
and I tried to, like, network state build them in a way,
trying to introduce the need to engage with the CIPRIO diaspora, for example,
that is also very tech-driven and very aligned network, that they don't have the necessary tools yet to coordinate
and actually have, let's say, the impact that more aligned diasporas have.
So that's how I introduce the subject into the
government. And now we're hosting together with some other diasporas that use digital coordination
tools out of necessity mostly, like the Belarusian diaspora. We're having a gathering in Cyprus in
December, the first week of December, where we'll be introducing these two elements
of network state leaders,
but also nation state decision makers
in order to sort of like try to have as much impact
out of the output of the event as possible
and actually build on top of the infrastructure
of these rogue countries like Cyprus.
So, yeah, this is roughly what I'm interested in and working on.
Amazing.
And I know you have some things lined up for later on this year.
Are you able to share any details there?
Should we leave it there to keep people kind
of on their toes?
Well, definitely, yeah. I mean, we, so as I said, we partnered up with Belarusian diaspora
and some members of the Belarusian diaspora who are running the future state in the network
state who already did a few side events in London, Lisbon and Berlin, where actually at ETH Berlin
we had Vitalik being present on the panel.
And rumors say it was the best side event at ETH Berlin.
And now we are having our big congress style conference in Cyprus between the 2nd and the 6th of December.
And the whole idea is that we hold an unconferenced round table between some key builders and
opinion leaders in the space in order to then use the, let's say, the policy papers that
come out of it, you know, we're gonna follow that Congress vibe and lingo.
In order to, let's say, push for,
to build some sort of product services,
or even lobby for some reforms in the government of Cyprus
and help push, you know, a nation state
towards more of a network state, let's say, in a narrative.
Yeah.
Love it.
Yeah.
That convening of people kind of all across this space and talking on this topic should
be a really, really great gathering and excited about some
of the work you're doing there and also the opportunities that Cyprus has for the community
interested in this space to be able to convene there as well as other potentially aligned
communities as well.
Yeah. Just to give a note, what I really like about Cyprus and Europe in general is that, you
know, we had like a huge funding grant from the EU in the past 10 years throughout Europe
to build some sort of like a public infrastructure.
So we ended up in Cyprus with a biobank that sampled like the whole population and is now working on developing a personalized medicine with
local patients we have like clinics being incentivized to use electronic healthcare records and blockchain to
let's say
digitize their operations and
We also had these measures of centers of excellence as
the european union calls them which are research centers on the translational
stage of science where they try to create products and spin outs out of these institutions
and all of these are accessible to everyone if they have a research proposal that is aligned
with their research of interest.
And yeah, I think that's really cool in Europe in general
that you have this infrastructure available
and it's there to use.
And it also has like this open source elements
that aligns with like the network state narrative as well.
Amazing.
So we're excited for kind of more locations
to become larger hubs and spots on the map for convenings.
And just as we keep designing out what the future
of different ecosystems,
communities, cities might end up looking like.
Really great conversation so far for anyone else who may have joined in recently.
Definitely don't be shy.
Come grab the mic and join the conversation as well.
We've heard from a lot of amazing people
building in this space of pop-up cities,
network states, startup societies
as we keep moving forward into the future
and also with a strong focus on science and de-sci
and making sure that's really front and center as we're designing what these future societies look like and building towards that.
For everyone up here on stage right now, we can definitely jump into kind of a more general conversation.
a more general conversation, or if you have questions for other folks up here as well,
we can dive into some of that. I know there were a few questions kind of pushed out at
the beginning of the call, but now it up a couple minutes early this week.
I would love to continue supporting just all the different projects that we heard from today.
A few different ways to do that are to follow everyone up here on stage for Muse Matrix or Castalia and Zular City.
Both of those are part of the Zuzulu Q2 round, which opened up last night. So
if you were at Zuzulu or Zoo Connect, definitely go check out those projects as well as all the
other awesome projects on there. If you're interested in staying up to date with Castalia, I pinned up above the kind of website we have up for now just as a wait list to stay
updated with what's happening on that front and make sure you're up to date when we open up
registration for that three-week pop-up city for scientists focused on DSI.
for that three-week pop-up study for scientists focused on DSI.
There will also be a Gitcoin DSI round opening up in, I think, about two weeks.
So be on the lookout for that as a way to support any of the other projects here.
And then last kind of logistics, housekeeping,
come back next week for the DSci Mike every week,
4 p.m. UTC.
We have a new topic in DSci, so if you have a topic you are interested in kind of bringing
onto the stage here, reach out to the DSci Mike, myself, Erin McGinnis, or regular Merrick,
who's the co-host here to get that on the schedule in the upcoming
weeks. If you're an expert in it, we'd love to have you be a speaker, or if you're just curious
in it, let us know and we can kind of source some speakers who can touch on those topics.
That was a whole big spiel. Anything else other folks up here want to close with?
Amazing. Well, thank you to everyone who has joined in, and we'll see you back here again next week.
Thanks, everyone.
Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Take care. next week thanks everyone thank you bye thank you take care Thank you.
