Hey, good morning, Rick. How you doing today?
Doing very well. Thanks. How are you, sir? I hear you loud and clear.
Yeah, no, I'm doing well today. Just excited to kind of see who else we can get up and talk catalyst with today.
I'm glad you're doing this. I think we need more of these spaces to continue the thought processes moving forward.
Sorry for the dead air there. I was trying to tag in some of the people that said they might be interested in joining us today and see if we can get them up here.
Looks like we have our first host for today, Esco, making his way up onto the stage as well. So welcome, Esco.
And don't forget to like and reshare and comment on the room so that we can hopefully get as many people in here and have a good discussion and expose more people to more hopefully good catalyst proposals.
I'm excited for this and I'll just give it a little bit. Just sent out a bunch of invitations and I'm going to do the further reaching out so.
Yeah, absolutely. Good morning. We also got Sini up here on the stage as well. Our other gracious co-host. So appreciate you guys taking time out of your day to do this for the community and that over there on the wild things that count as always.
Good to see the crazy orangutans in the room.
Yeah, I guess while we're waiting for the room to fill up a little bit, we can kind of set the kind of vibe for the room today, which is catalyst and chill. So my thought here was we could just give a platform.
So if you're down in the audience and you have a proposal that you want to come up and give us a short elevator pitch on and maybe answer some questions about you're more than welcome to request the speaker.
And otherwise, yeah, we'll just talk a little bit about
the catalyst process in general, what we think is improving what could still use improvement and where we go from there.
So yeah, question, question for the speakers we have up here right now, because I was thinking about this I haven't started voting yet.
Do you have a strategy that you follow when it comes to approaching a catalyst fun do you look at certain categories first are there some types of categories that you ignore.
Like what is your criteria for a proposal to catch your eye, so that you'll even bother to read it.
You mean as a, oh as a reviewer, or as a voter yourself, not necessarily as somebody proposing.
I mean I can start I, you know, I try to participate as much as possible and I did community reviews last time and then trying to get in on the voting side this time.
It's been interesting because I, I came to catalyst really late, I actually missed on nine and then we had the hiatus. This is only really my second one, taking part in, but I would say like, other than sitting down and reading all 2000 submissions front to back, which I try to do.
I would say is like, I tend to go towards categories. So if I like for instance I tend to not be very token or Dow heavy just because my legal guidance for being a contracted developer has been, you know, it's easier or less costly to stay away from that.
So at the moment I stayed away from that, which has made me less of an expert at most. So I probably stay away from those categories, but I tend to go category by category and try to be like, okay, open Cardano.
I can do a lot on that being a node operator, having run relay nodes and figure out all that stuff. I can do some on that. So from dApps, I do a lot of, but I tend to go category.
For myself, I try to look at it as fundamental as possible in the sense that like, obviously we spend a lot of time in this space and I think that by now we can tell that there are some fundamental issues, right?
That kind of people's isolated as an ecosystem and there's nothing worse than being having so much potential in terms of tech and in terms of everybody participating in here, but yet still being isolated.
So whenever I'm looking through the catalyst proposals to vote on stuff, I look at big scope proposals like, you know, integration, interoperability, things that reach past the fences of Cardano or open doors for people to reach into Cardano.
So, you know, when I see stuff like audits and stuff from already existing businesses, to be honest, not like talking anything down.
For me, in order for all of us to be successful in here, we have to facilitate less friction in the space in terms of working with others and operating with other blockchains and so on.
So yeah, I'm always trying to look into that part of things because what good does it do to us if we spend all this money on the little things when it's not going to be available for people to come and participate or it's very difficult.
And, you know, customer acquisition and adoption and all those things are not even like the main focus. So yeah, I try to resist from, you know, the little things like and keep it kind of about the bigger picture at this time.
Yeah, I guess like that, I'll go by categories. I usually stay out of concept. I guess like Esco, I'm a little bit more focused on outreach, things I'm a little bit more familiar with as a non-dev.
So concept, solution, ecosystem, and product, I'd say are the categories I mostly spend my time in. I think that's kind of a little bit more in my purview.
And I mean, there's enough proposals in those four just to fill, you know, my capacity for reading there. So that's kind of my template for navigating the ecosystem. Sorry to cut you off, Rick.
Oh, no, you didn't cut me off. I try to focus on infrastructure, although there's a lot more stuff. There's things that are marketing related.
But the infrastructure type projects, type of proposals can end up in many different categories aside from just the Cardano open developers categories.
And the main things I'm looking for are things that bridge Cardano to other chains, which I think is a weakness that we have, and things that bridge Cardano to traditional finance mechanisms, which I think is where you're going to see the greatest amount of adoption.
But that's just my opinion. And if there's a good marketing one in there, I'll try to pick off a couple of those and give them a good read.
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, guys. And I would say I'm very much the same, but it's interesting that we all kind of have different categories that we focus on.
Like, I generally tend to look more at the techie proposals and like, do I think this is going to be a benefit to the developer side of the ecosystem?
And I kind of shy away from the social ones about like the hope setting up, you know, what do they call it, community hubs or running Twitter spaces or YouTubes and kind of more of the marketing outreach because that isn't my area of expertise.
So I generally, like, if I'm going to go through those, they'll be kind of last on my list if I still have time. So it is really interesting to see how everybody brings their own experience and expertise to the voting system.
And I think it's really interesting to see how everybody brings their own expertise to the voting process as well. But we do have our first speaker up here. Is it Josh behind Ada Pulse? Do you have a proposal you want to tell us about?
Yeah, definitely. I've got my own. Yeah. Sorry, you caught me by surprise there. I'd literally just made my six-year-old some cocoa.
I released a video on it today so you can see check on our Twitter feed for the video. But yeah, it's basically more Ada Pulse. Our 12 months has been up. We did a fun before.
And yeah, we're looking for funding. We've had to do a shift around because I don't know if people know or how many people know that Jeff and Jen Zod have now left Ada Pulse.
But yeah, they're just focusing on sort of family stuff. So yeah, I mean, it was all a bit of a scramble last minute. Dickson, thankfully, managed to get a proposal together.
And I'm taking over the website. But I mean, Dickson's just had a baby himself. So he's not really in a position to sort of take this forward. So that's why it's landed on me. I'm not going to let it die. Love Ada Pulse and everything that it's about.
So that's why I'm taking it forward. But yeah, it's to cover us for 12 months. Same thing as before, really, writers getting paid for the work they do.
We're looking to onboard more writers and keep them on board. That's the whole plan of the funding. And obviously, it keeps us independent. So we're not, you know, there's no paid shoes.
There's no chance of us promoting a scam or anything like that. But because it was so sort of last minute, we've had to do a sort of reshuffle on the budget.
I mean, it was we're not asking for any more money. But there was, you know, we kept the writers getting paid as they were. But the whole thing with because mainly it's the website.
So we're, we need to really pump that up, you know, a lot of SEO. I mean, it's all in the I put it in the comment, the whole breakdown of the of the spend.
But it's left us still like nine deficit of like $9000. So we're actually just going to front that up ourselves. So we're still running a loss.
So we kind of need this funding to go through. Otherwise, we can't do much at all. And then furthering on from that, once we get this, then I can start looking at, you know, I've been discussing tokenizing news articles and things like that.
That's something I'm interested in, too. But yeah, essentially, it's 12 months more of eight of holes being completely unbiased.
Everybody having free reign just to write whatever they like, as long as it's all kind of factually correct. You know, you can say whatever you want, you know, it's free press.
Yeah, absolutely. And so is there going to be, I haven't had a chance to read the proposal yet, but is there kind of like a bounty system to reward those community authors and maybe make them into like slowly into a more formal member of the data pulse team?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's it's $200 per article, I think that they write. But what Dixon added was these deep dives. So some new projects get a real full on, you know, we're talking many hours worth of going through their project, whether it doesn't have to be for catalyst, it could just be, you know, a new project that's coming out and funding themselves.
But yeah, so we're doing 40 of those deep dives. And they're like, oh, I haven't got the figures in front of me. I think there could be up to $800, maybe five, five, between five and $800. Yeah.
But yeah, that's open to anyone. So anything that gets published, you get your $200 in ADA. And yeah, essentially, it's so far.
Yeah, well, sounds awesome. I definitely love what ADA pulse has been doing over the years. And just like these spaces, I think having some written analysis of projects and catalyst proposals and things like that definitely helps.
Because we're not all auditory learners, and we're not all visual learners that learn well from videos. So sometimes, you know, I love, I love a good written word to summarize and give me the TLDR versus a lot of other formats.
So yeah, I didn't realize my mic was on while I was skipping.
So thanks for giving me the time to speak about the proposal for you.
Hey, Josh, that had a question for us to go ahead.
I can't tell if I'm working, but I hope you can hear me. I love the written word to I'm like, not a auditory or visual learner that well, I like to read them right and just high process things.
Do you find that your constraint is mostly on the supply side, or on the viewership side I'm curious where you think more of your budget is going to go in terms of producing content or in terms of getting eyeballs.
Well, it's funny you mentioned that we're actually lacking a bit of data. So far as I'm aware, the website is the strongest place for the content. So it's the written content that people are liking.
I think in the last bull run, I can't remember Jeff was throwing some crazy figures like 100,000 a day or week that people were viewing the unique visitors to the site. So it was quite big.
I mean, I've mainly been running the YouTube channel for the last year and a half or whatever it is, two years. So without any marketing, that's progressing fairly slowly.
But yeah, the website is the main place. If that answered your question.
Yep. Yep, definitely. It's cool stuff.
Cool. Well, if there aren't any further questions for Ada Pulse, maybe we can move on. But yeah, best of luck, Josh. I know you guys have been putting in a lot of work over the years. So it's good to see you guys doing that.
Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, I'm glad to be taken over as well. It's sad that the amount of work just put in all completely for free.
He's built this and now he's just kind of handed it to me as the now steward to take over. And that's it, going to take it forward. But you know, I've got my ideas too. I want to make waves as well, you know.
So I think the idea of tokenizing articles is my main research at the moment. Yeah, moving forward.
Awesome. Yeah, thanks a ton for sharing.
Who do we just bring up, Ada?
Just one suggestion. Yeah, go for it.
I do hope you get the catalyst funding, so rooting for you. But if you are having trouble or sometimes need help setting up little technical things or payment integrations or even donation addresses, I think I know I'll speak for myself. I've done some pro bono stuff and I think Adam, you might have as well.
I know Adam also has Mercury coming out, so I'm sure you're going to need some beta clients. So be sure to hit up the devs and the DMs. I know we haven't met, but could be interesting to work together.
Josh, I like a good blend of reading. If I want to first understand a subject, I like to read because I can read a lot faster. But when it comes to audio visual, it's the how to like how does this app or dap or wallet work and your videos are very funny. So I got to give you that.
Thanks, man. It's really, you know, believe it or not, I was a stand up comedian and my original goal was to actually make quite funny videos. But it turns out blockchain content doesn't spring, you know, there's not a lot of jokes that spring to mind, you know, when you're talking Cardano, you can get the odd joke in here and there and I try and do the odd subtle joke in the videos. But yeah, I mean, I think we need to rethink how we do these.
Talk and YouTube shorts, that's something that's in the proposal that we're doing. And yeah, because there's a real gap there. And we've got enough content, and I'll just do it. And there's with a team that can do it and consistently deliver that, that's paid for, then it's, do you know what I mean? It's definitely going to happen. But yeah, I don't know how much people enjoy the videos. Videos are quite a weird thing. I don't know how people watch them. Some people watch them at double the speed, you know, but they take a long
way. That's the annoying thing about them. But yeah, but a lot of people are sort of they learn by reading it seems and you can just scan a page if it's well laid out as well. Sometimes you don't even need to read it, you just sort of blitz through it and you can get through an article pretty fast.
And just zoom in on what you actually want as well.
Right on. Yeah, I think Sydney was trying to pivot over now to Adelinc, who joined us up here on stage. You got a proposal or just want to talk catalyst?
Hey, guys. Nice to meet you. My name is Natalia Rosa. I'm here. I'm a project lead here at Adelinc.
We actually do have two proposals. One of them is called Adelinc affiliate network for SPO growth. And then the other one is called French edex.
And I like to go if you know if you allow me to, I like to go over both of them a little bit.
Starting up with Adelinc affiliate network for SPO growth. Our aim is to further decentralized Cardano by creating a platform that facilitates promotions for stake pool operators and eventually other Cardano businesses.
We plan to achieve this by connecting SPOs with content creators, influencers, NFT project leaders, marketers and whales to form partnerships that promote their pools and attract new delegators.
So what exactly is affiliate marketing? I actually like to talk a little bit about this because normally people don't know what affiliate marketing is.
And they confuse it with so many other things that maybe aren't really exactly what affiliate marketing is like other predatory practices.
So it's simple. Affiliate marketing is an advertising practice where third party publishers are compensated for directing customers to a company's goods or services.
This method is not only effective, but it's also low budget, low risk, and it's widely popular for boosting companies visibility and revenue.
And we know this practice is very effective and it's so effective because while doing our market research to develop this platform,
we realize that 80% of the world's top brands employ affiliate marketing to promote their products and services.
And I don't mean like small companies. We're talking Google. We're talking Microsoft.
The biggest companies, the biggest brands do affiliate marketing in order to boost sales and promote their products.
So it is a method that is trusted in the different industries.
Ninety four percent of publishers and content creators use at least one or more affiliate programs to generate revenue.
This means and this is very important for us because our expertise is in the promotional industries and the entertainment industry.
So we really as entertainers, as artists, we know that most artists don't generate their revenue from the sales of their art.
Right now on Cardano, the options for artists are very limited.
They can only right now distribute their work. That's the only solution that is available right now for artists on Cardano.
Sales of the works, of course, through NFTs and distribution of the works in some of the early platforms we're seeing on the ecosystem.
So introducing a way for artists and people on the entertainment industries and the media industries for them to start generating revenue here on Cardano.
It will be very important to start attracting these industries to come into this ecosystem and start exploring ways to do business here.
And the last thing that we discovered through market research was that the affiliate marketing industry is valued at an estimated 17 billion dollars.
So it's a very, again, it's a large industry if we manage to start developing this platform to offer these solutions, of course, initially for our ecosystem.
First, it will serve SPOs, then it will serve Cardano businesses, and then hopefully as we evolve and iterate, we can expand to in real life businesses and we have been exploring partnerships and so on.
So yeah, basically it's a partnership management platform initially focusing, like I said, on SPOs.
And yeah, that's if you have spoken a lot. So if you have any questions, please.
Yeah, well, I'll go ahead and ask because a few questions did pop up in my mind.
And the first one is that normally with affiliate marketing, you have some sort of a tracking cookie to detect a successful conversion and that's what results in the payout to the affiliate.
Are you guys looking at some sort of method, like maybe there's a dashboard on Ada link. So the link goes to Ada link where I can then delegate to Rick's stake pool.
And then that's how he knows that that delegation came via your platform.
Or do you have another way of tracking or will it be more of an open marketplace where an SPO might say I'm willing to pay somebody to generate me a promotional video I'm willing to pay this amount kind of like a talent marketplace or is it a combination of both.
Eventually it's going to be a combination of both because we have an initiative called the friendship clubs NFTs, which is a club for content creators that's part of our strategy to onboard users into our platform.
But, you know, the first question is actually very important in how we plan to be operating.
Again, this is a concept we are on the concept category. So we're asking for the ability to produce an MVP so we can start shaping the this idea better with with technology behind it.
But the idea is that when the audience of the affiliates click on the other link, there will be potentially eventually receiving a promo coupon, which is an NFT.
And this way we will be tracking the conversions. So we'll be tracking the policy ideas of the NFTs associated with the affiliates.
But initially the first platform is more we're thinking of what are their current users of Cardano and who could potentially benefit from this initially.
And we've seen that NFT projects really have a good power of mobilization. And of course, there are limited because they may be able to open a stake pool and generate revenue from there, which is, of course, you know, they could open just one.
And normally they should open just one. And with this method, they could direct people using their NFT collections and we can track the NFT collections that they already minted in order to see if their conversions or their promotional efforts are actually being successful.
And specifically, how much ADA are they really bringing in to these pools? And so how much they should be paid for?
Absolutely. And thank you for that great and in-depth answer. And thanks for highlighting that you guys are in the concepts category, which that is the intent of that category is to have a new business idea, get a small grant to explore the viability of it.
And see if you can actually turn it into a business. So I'm going to wish you luck and turn the mic over to Mr. Rick McCracken, who had his hand up.
Hi, Adam. Thank you. And nice to meet you, Ada Link. I really like your approach. And I do have a question for you, but I want to preface it with, I can tell when certain dApps or products that launch on Cardano, I can tell when they don't seem to have marketing experience on their teams.
For example, it might appear as though a dev is operating the primary Twitter account, which kind of works well in some cases, but not so much in other cases.
And so my question is, it sounds like you have marketing expertise on your team. You sound like a marketing expert. Is that correct?
So I'm actually a filmmaker. That's my experience. I've worked on multiple promotionals, doing promotional commercials and stuff like that.
For the past 10 years, over the past 10 years, I've worked on the promotional department of the number one television network here on Puerto Rico, which is where I am from where I am.
So yes, I got a lot of experience in promotions in that aspect of marketing because marketing is a wide theme because it actually begins from where you're developing the product, not just when you're promoting the product.
So my main expertise is in the promotional aspect, which is when you have to be creative in to how you're going to promote with content visuals and that stuff.
Thank you. That answers the question. It's awesome. I had a fortunate opportunity to work with a marketing guy named Doug Brown. He's like a brand development guy.
And I got to work with him alongside with Adam on some previous projects. So it's great to hear that you have marketing expertise. Thank you.
Yeah, I was actually, Rick kind of got my hand out of my hand on that one, because I was going to suggest that you like, you know, mention a little bit about yourself and your experience because, you know, we've talked before and just kind of an impromptu space, whole spaces all the time.
So yeah, and then and I felt like, you know, a lot of people in this space, they let me rephrase that. I feel like one of the the most often approach entry points to this space from participants like, you know, community members and stuff is usually through, you know, like marketing and, you know, community management and stuff.
And that's why I was going to suggest that you would like, you know, speak a little bit about yourself, your experience and so on, because I know you have extensive experience and it's not just something that you're like, I want to do this. It's like, no, I'm experiencing this.
I think I believe that with, you know, a little bit of funding, I can actually create something that would have an impact in the space and so on because of it.
So yeah, Rick beat me to it. Great minds think alike. And yeah, appreciate you.
Thank you, Esko. And now that you mentioned it, the idea behind Adelink really came because we wanted to do content. We have we started on Cardano.
You know, me and my sister were the founders of Adelink and we started on Cardano. What we wanted to do and on blockchain, what we wanted to do was create content for Spanish speaking audiences.
And then we saw the potential that Cardano has when it comes to operating a stake pool. And we actually wanted to became stake pool operators.
But the first thing that we thought was, oh, my God, it was going to be so hard to attract delegation. How can we maybe compete with the people that have so much reach on the community?
And so because I do have, you know, colleagues on the entertainment industries and artists, that's how the ideas are developing because I started thinking, hey, if we can start bringing people from the entertainment industries that can, you know, help us, you know, gain some traction, maybe we can do this.
And that's, of course, with just that idea, then it came. OK, but then after we collaborate with them, maybe they would like to keep doing it with other SPOs or maybe they would like to continue on the ecosystem and maybe not partner just with our own stake pool.
So that's how the idea of developing a platform that was open for the entire ecosystem came about. So so, yeah, thanks for that.
I have another proposal. I don't know if I can I can talk a little bit about it.
But I will say before you dive into it, we do have Josh with his hand up so he might have a question still on Aida Link and anybody else in the audience that might have.
Well, hang on, Josh. I was trying to tell everybody else in the audience that if they want to come up and talk about their proposals as well, feel free to request speaker.
Now go, Josh. Now you're good.
But Aida Link, I think I did. I was pretty sure I did a video on your you had a proposal with Fontaine.
Yeah, I remember doing a video on Aida Link. So I don't know if that helped at all. Did you get any funding in Fontaine?
No, this is actually our third time, hopefully third time the charm.
But it actually helped because, you know, when people support with content like you do, like at least like we've been working on this idea for two years.
And so it does help with morale, at least here in the comments you made that were positive.
So thank you very much for your coverage. And I'm looking forward to in the future when we can.
We have something that that your platform can use. We can collaborate and start creating content for the entire system.
So I wish you luck with your proposals, too.
What have we have done, though, to make, you know, you say you didn't get the funding and it's you've tried so many times.
What could someone like Aida Pulse do to help you apart from just like write an article and.
So I think at the end of the day, is this the journey that we have to go through to get notice on a ecosystem that is global.
And I also think that we weren't as vocal like to me, it was very hard just pushing that button to come up here and talk.
So it's it's not just the content. It's also us as, you know, project founders that need to, you know, keep pushing no matter what.
And that's what we've been doing. We tried other avenues for funding.
We went through a business accelerator program earlier this year. We tried onboarding a client which has the reach of over four million people that it was all it almost went through that that that business.
We didn't get it because they decided they didn't want to pursue their own.
Releasing their own product. So it's been a journey for us to just get enough attention and funding to push it.
But but, you know, we just got to keep going. And I appreciate any little bit that of help that that everyone in the community has has to offer.
And the people that have shared in even Cinnamon at the at the very first time we release the first idea of other link is Cinnamon realized, oh, this is this is kind of new.
This is interesting. So and those little things really pushes us to keep going.
Absolutely. And thank you for sharing. We had two more projects jump up here. So I'm going to ask if you hold your second one and see if we can get to it later after other people have had a chance to share.
So yeah, ESCO CINI. I don't know if it was a fraction of states or pull tool that jumped up first. I know both these guys personally, and I'm excited to hear what they what they got going.
Any mini mining mall grab the catalyst proposal by the toe. Let's go with fraction and pull tool. We got plenty of time. So it's cool if that was out of order. I'm sorry.
Hello, guys. Thank you for letting me.
So fraction of state as a proposal now under the solution.
Second category and we want to open up our platform for other companies as well to mint and list their properties.
So when I started fraction of state, my goal was to to just have a company for ourself there.
We would mint and list and sell properties on our marketplace.
But when we were in Dubai at the summit, we actually got approached by several people that wanted to use our platform and start selling properties in other countries as well.
So that's why we put the catalyst proposal together.
I'm not sure if anyone knows about fraction of state.
I'm the founder of fraction of state. My name is Daniel Johnson.
I've been in Cardano since November two thousand and seventy.
I haven't been a very public person, but I've done a lot of work like in real life.
Everything from having meetings with I.O.G. and Cardano Foundation regarding some issues that we have tried to solve.
I'm not a developer by trade. I'm actually an enterprise project manager.
So I'm I'm used to get the project from A to C and have done a lot of projects where you're talking like millions of dollars.
So yeah, handling funds and make it in a timely manner is like something I'm how can I say it?
We have our platform has a focus on transparency and also we will make the infrastructure around the marketplace itself.
Instead of just having a meeting and marketplace, we will try to make the tooling you need and everything to make everything verifiable and transparent for the end users that will invest in properties.
We will also so fraction state is like a pure investment platform. It's not you can't rent properties yourself there and stuff like that.
So fraction state will be like the property manager of the property and we will get our return from the rent or lease money.
So that will vary dependent on from seven to twelve percent that we will take from the lease money and then we will put it into a treasury where the NFT holders will be able to claim that reward.
Daniel, do you mind if I jump in real quick with a question?
Yeah, so yeah, so we had the pleasure to meet in Dubai and talk about it. And so correct me if I'm wrong, because it is fractionalized real estate like the name implies.
But you're focusing specifically on commercial and industrial properties, if I'm not mistaken.
And there will be all type of properties as long as the yield is high enough to make it interesting for the end users.
So we will only acquire properties that will make a good return for the end user. So we will share each property individually.
So then for the other part of that question, what is the funding in your catalyst proposal dedicated to doing?
How is that going to help fraction estate kind of come across the finish line or what is it going to add by your catalyst proposal?
So we will have a minimal viable product after that for everything that has to do with other businesses that are going to be able to use our platform.
So we will also make sure that everything is compliant. So we in this proposal, we are focusing on whole of Europe.
So we will be compliant in every country in Europe. And yeah, so everything will be up and running after if we get this funding.
We will most likely yield it ourselves regardless if we get the funding or not.
But then it will take a longer time because we need to get more funding from other places.
Did that answer your question or?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it looks like Rick might have one as well. So go ahead, Rick.
Yeah, my question is a little different because it applies to a lot of the other projects as well.
Fraction estate, glad to have you here. While you're speaking, I tried to search for your proposal on idea scale.
I just typed in the words exactly. Fraction estate. And I can't find it.
Do you have a keyword I can search for so I can look it up and read through it?
But we've actually got it pinned up on the jumbotron. We've been trying to get everybody that's up on stage speaking have their proposals linked.
So it's the most recent share up on the jumbotron, Rick.
OK, thanks. I'll get it there. But for general reference, I've done this several times and it's kind of hit and miss.
It's been about 50 50. I searched the name of the we did this yesterday, Adam.
I would try to look them up while someone speaking. And it's about a 50 50 chance that I get a good hit on that proposal.
Thanks for having that link there. But I'm not sure maybe Josh needs to make a video on how to get this.
So you are able to search fraction estate on the app itself and it will pop right up.
OK, so on the phone. I tested that yesterday.
OK, yeah, I'm on idea scale. So the phone app will do it. But I'm on my phone with the Twitter space right now.
So yeah, I understand that idea scale has been a bit buggy lately.
I saw that like all our kudos as well just disappeared.
All right. Thank you. That's all I had. Thank you for action.
Rick, I was just going to quickly add to I think when you come up here and you're doing your proposal,
can you just say if you want to come up and say the name of the proposal?
Because I found that searching for names of proposers is actually the fastest way to find stuff on idea scale.
That tends to be the best search. Yeah, so you can you can search on Daniel Johnson and it will also come up.
OK, that's Daniel Johnson. Gotcha. Thanks.
Awesome. Yeah. Does anybody else have more questions about fraction estate right now?
Otherwise, we can probably move along to a pool tool and encourage everybody to go and definitely check out all of these proposers and their proposals,
either on idea scale or on our good friends, Lido Nation, who make a much better explorer for catalyst ideas
or finally get that catalyst app open on your phone and start casting your votes.
Thank you for having me, guys. If it's no more questions, I'll step down.
Thank you. All right. A pool tool. Let's have you come up and do the elevator picture.
Hello. Can people hear me or? Yeah, I can hear you.
Mike Mike might actively like be lost or encountering Starlink issues down there in Mexico.
I'm not sure where in the world he currently is at the moment, but Mike, if you're with us, go ahead and Mike up and shoot your shot. Tell us about Marlow hub.
He is having connectivity issues. I messed with Marlow hub yesterday, so if anyone wants I didn't operate it, but there's a demo.
So if you go to pool tool dot IO at the top of the page, there's a button that says prototype website.
And if you click on and then there's another button that says catalyst proposal, but if you click on prototype website, it takes you to a like a demo version.
It's not fully functional, but it has 34 different Marlow type contracts in there where you can see that they already have the basic framework of this thing laid out.
He just went down and came back up, so I think he was having connectivity issues and now I think we should unmute there finally.
You got me now, right? Yeah, good. Yeah, sorry. It was a Twitter thing right there.
Yeah, just on the other thing that you guys are talking about, I was trying to search for Marlow hub the other day and cattle and catalyst and it wouldn't find it.
So I do think the website's been a little bit buggy the last few days. I don't know. I could search for it before and it was fine, but anyway, my name is Mike and yeah, I'm most people always the pool tool guy.
That's how I introduced myself and they seem to like recognize that much more than the name Mike, so that's pretty cool.
So what we're doing with Marlow hub is I kind of had a vision of like when we were back in the ITN days, I got really excited about doing the pool thing and stuff like that.
And so I developed a site where we can keep track of everyone that's dealing with pools and it was very useful for the community and I feel the similar way about Marlow.
I feel like Marlow has a lot of great technology behind it.
The team is great, but it just hasn't really developed the way it needs to and I think that might be partially marketing.
It could be the tech, but I really think it's more like just marketing and people just understand what they can do with it.
I mean, the way I see it is there's still a gap between say a lawyer that wants to make a contract in a simple way.
Let's just say it's a contract for a monthly fee or something to pay to a client.
They want to put it on paper. It's like, okay, they'll write the piece of paper and they'll say, I will pay you $100 every month for the next 12 months.
It's a simple contract. You could have a lawyer do it. You could do it yourself.
But it's like, how do we span the gap between a simple thing like that and like, how do we put it on Marlow?
And we should be able to do that. There should be an example somewhere of just something just stupid simple that could use Marlow.
And I think that if we can connect those dots together for people, then we can start getting people that don't know much about blockchain or Cardano or anything.
They can start saying, hey, there's a better way to do this.
And so that's the idea of Marlow Hub is basically simplify the contracts that are out there already, abstract them.
So what we'll do is if you've seen Marlow Hub, you can go to the website and kind of check out just the prototype.
We'll scan through all of the contracts that are out there and we'll look for similarities.
And so whenever the same contract is used over and over again with different addresses and different values or stuff like that, we abstract that.
And so now we can kind of see the templates that are used the most often on the network.
Another example I have was, why can't I just set up a contract for a guy that mows my lawn every month or something?
It's like, I'll just fund it in the beginning and then every month it'll pay him based on, does he say that he mowed my lawn?
And I can be the verifier of that.
As long as I have a button somewhere and it says, yes, he mowed my lawn, I just click it once and automatically the payment goes to him.
We don't have to worry about it again for another month.
Like if we just had something like that out there, then we might be able to use these contracts more.
I was just actually, while we were talking about some of the other things, I was looking at some of the stats because I hadn't looked at them lately.
And Marlow right now is up to 689 contracts on mainnet.
50 and 54,000 on preview.
So there's a lot of interest, but there's nothing actually actively happening, I'd say.
I think those are kind of rookie numbers for Marlow.
And so there's definitely a lot of interest.
You can go to Marlow stat.
You can see historically how many contracts are on there.
You can see that we went through a huge bump on all three chains back in July, but it's kind of flattened out since.
We're not seeing a lot of uptake of them.
So anyway, the vision with Marlow Hub is to connect those together.
Right now we're in the concept category, which means all we're trying to do is get the prototype website out there.
When we came out with the F11 rules, we kind of had to look at where we fit in right.
And after some back and forth, Danny decided that we're really trying to get to a proof of concept still.
So the Marlow Hub website we have right now is using some pretty old data.
And we definitely haven't gotten the contract kind of viewing up to the point we want it to be.
And so we decided just go with the concept case and get the first part out there with the contracts.
But the vision is much broader than that.
The vision is to do also oracles in there.
So if people need to use an oracle to decide on some piece of data, they should be able to plug that into Marlow Hub in the right place for a contract and just execute it.
And the same thing with mediators.
You know, again, there's a case where I used in the website, I used an example where you want to bet on a high school football game or something.
And so let's just say it's 10 bucks on a high school football game, some simple use case for Marlow.
And who am I going to get to decide if, you know, who won the game?
Because it's not going to be like you're going to have an oracle set up for a high school football game.
But what if you had a place we could go plug in a mediator who is a randomly assigned person with internet access and you could say your only job is to go online and figure out who won this high school football game.
You know, the data is out there and it's a third party.
It's completely, you know, independent of the two people betting.
And that's an easy thing for us to do.
So mediators are in their auditors.
If you are doing a fancy contract or something where actually real lawyers are involved.
I would like to have some auditors that will check out Marlow because even though it's pretty tight, it's not foolproof.
Any contract can screw you up.
And then, of course, developers.
If you are making something very complex with Marlow, we want to have a place for developers to kind of put their name out there and get ratings and stuff like that.
The only thing we're going for right now in Fund 11 is just the first phase of that, which is contracts.
After we get that out and we see some tracks on it, then we'll be going on for follow-on funds, hopefully.
So that's the vision. That's the pitch.
Let me know if you guys have any questions.
All right, yeah, my co-hosts are sleeping up here.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Adam seemed to have gotten out of control, but we're going to give our other co-host.
And now I'm going to take the lead here because Adam is sleeping and blaming it.
Let's go with Rick real quick.
I think you might have a question.
Yeah, Wild Tanks was up first.
Yeah, can you guys hear me OK?
Yeah, so Pultu, I love it.
And I love things that are making smart contract development easier as a dumb guy myself.
So I love this concept and the pushing of Marlow.
My question is a little more tactical in terms of use of funds.
Have you contemplated mobile development?
Because to your point about smart contracts, I think one of the best use cases I've seen
around third world countries, or I don't know if we're saying that in more global south,
I don't know how we say it, but countries with poor infrastructure and poor legal arrangements,
I'm wondering if you've given thought to any sort of SMS-based interfaces
where when you build a smart contract that you get a notification like,
hey, click here to see the conditions and to sign off on it,
or any sort of mobile-first approach?
Yeah, well, so the brief answer is no, because when you were talking,
those are kind of fun ideas that you're talking through.
The intent right now is to get a website,
kind of like Pultu is pretty much focused on that.
And then if we're starting to see traction and people are really liking it,
then certainly pairing that down to a mobile thing,
kind of like we did with Pultu, will make a lot of sense.
I totally see what you're talking about, though.
And the other thing is translations aren't part of what our original proposal is either.
We were thinking just get the concept out there in English and get it out the door.
But yeah, I think those are interesting ideas to try to get
some kind of Twilio integration and SMS
and really tie it into kind of a phone relationship for the contracts.
Well, and I'll throw out a potential...
I know resources are super tight, so not trying to totally put you in a different direction,
but depending on the depth of your API, I'll throw out a cool thing.
We should talk in the DMs when things come down for you.
I have a mobile app that I have people using,
and it'd be really fun for me if on the mobile app you could, I don't know,
make a handshake bet with your friend or do something with an Oracle.
I think people would get a kick out of that.
Yeah, I'm all about mobile.
I think it's very cool you're doing so I'll keep it up.
All right, Rick, and then Ada Pulse.
I'm navigating your website right now, and I can see the contracts in there.
How did you get those off the chain?
Did you reverse engineer or do you have some type of translator?
Because these are actually human readable.
This demeanor runs, so the TX Tools guys.
We used that a long time ago.
Then what we did is we just ran them all through chat GPT.
It's amazing how well chat GPT does to just say,
what is this, what is it doing, and it just spits it out.
I'm looking at it going, how the hell did you do this?
I would have needed a fill UPLC guy to translate this thing for me,
but I can actually see it on your site.
Thanks for answering that.
Just so you know, the contracts we're in right now are just JSON files,
but the vision is to use the Blockly or something like that instead of just JSON.
That was just a temporary thing because we didn't want to bite that stuff off.
Now they have the TypeScript library released from Arlo.
That should be a lot easier to do.
Ladies and gentlemen, we found a smart contract that Rick McCracken can read.
It doesn't mean I understand it, but it's getting closer.
I think if Rick can read it, we can't call it a smart contract anymore.
We've got to call it a mildly intelligent contract.
We'll give Rick a separate site on the place on the site.
All right, Josh, your turn.
Well, I mean, you and Rick know I'm always the man who asks the dumb questions.
I'm going back to the very first thing he said when you were talking about smart contracts.
I'll have a guy mow the lawn.
He says he mows the lawn.
That sounds great, but I've always had when there's a dispute,
what happens in these sort of circumstances.
And then also you mentioned things like, you know, like if I bet Trump won the election,
for example, like that time, and you've got oracles that you said,
oh, the information is easily out there,
and the oracle can just jump in and say, well, yeah, that clearly happened.
But there's a dispute there, isn't there?
And that's a dispute in the outside world that an oracle, I don't think, could sort out.
And it's always been a sort of trouble I've had with smart contracts.
What happens in sort of these sort of dispute sort of situations?
Yeah, good contracts that are out there already.
The Marlow ones, they give examples of kind of that type of thing,
and you end up with what they call mediators.
So just like in courts in law and lawyer in the world,
you can end up going into court and try your case, right?
Or you can use a mediator.
And so what we've set up is just this concept of mediation,
where if both people don't agree on the outcome,
then an independent third party mediator can get plugged in
to help decide what the outcome is going to be.
And how is this mediator chosen as well?
Because it's like, is this making it a centralized thing,
or is this a decentralized?
Is he chosen in a decentralized way,
like he has a reputation or something like that?
Yeah, so there's two visions that we have.
And we've talked with the Marlow team about these things.
One of them is that, obviously,
we're going to have a list of mediators on the site.
So if you want to sign up and be the mediator,
you can put your name out there and say,
okay, this is me, and this is where you plug me in,
and then I will mediate for you.
So that's one where you kind of both agree ahead of time
which one you want to use,
assuming they'll still be there when the time is up, right?
The second idea, which came up in discussions
with the Marlow team was,
what if we did some more of like a random assignment?
So if you can kind of get to the point
where you can trust the Marlow hub website
to actually be there when it's time,
then what we can do is assign someone at random at that time
or from a list of people, right,
that you presuppose at that time.
So that was the original vision behind it.
I'm hoping as we get into the development
of that specific section,
we'll be able to figure out a more creative way
to do a decentralized kind of random assignment thing.
I just don't know exactly what that looks like yet
because we haven't designed it yet.
Well, that perfectly answered my question.
I did look up pull tool on the catalyst app.
I didn't find any proposal.
So this is under, it's not under pull tool.
And, or you can look up Mike.
it seems to be a repetitive problem
that people aren't finding the, you know,
they're hearing something good,
but they're not actually finding the proposal
The pull tool Twitter feed is starting
to get a lot of Marlow hub in it.
So you can always just find me on there
and you'll find the link.
I'm a little bit of beat this morning for some reason.
But I just wanted to introduce the doctor.
I'm finally off the chair.
I got a little coffee in me.
Let's pick this up with a little bit of energy and stuff.
Me and Cinnamon Bun up here kind of sleeping as,
But this one got me excited because it's somebody,
it's an entity that I support a lot.
I think that when we highlight reputation
and an accountability in the space inherently,
obviously it's going to improve it, right?
There's a lot of protocols and a lot of future ventures
that could greatly benefit from an entity like this.
And the doctor is a good buddy in the space.
He's helped me out a lot.
And I just wanted to introduce him with a really big welcome
because I am a huge fan of Cerberus
and reputation-based model protocols and so on.
So without further ado, I'll play the,
probably the lamest drum roll, but yet a drum roll.
Thank you for the introduction, Esco.
I'm a little bit nervous because usually Simon and Noah do all of this.
I'm usually just the one in the background helping out
and smoothing networks, et cetera.
But I'll give it a good shot.
So essentially what Cerberus is,
is a entity which looks at tokens
and their inherent risk within any sort of networks
and tries to rate them using the same model.
Now, they were fortunate enough to get capitalist funding in Fund 10,
which allowed them to bring their proof of concept on to online.
And right now there's a lot of,
you can go and play with it at the moment.
Some of it is still in development.
So it's just, how shall we say, NFT gated for the time being.
But within the next couple of months,
that will be completely open for everyone to see
and critique as they see fit.
So there's going to be lots of upgrades which are going to be coming.
So whatever you see there with regards to specifically the risk rating,
that will definitely change over time.
And because it's a live system
and it measures the health of a network,
that also will change over time.
So that's a little bit about the background.
It's not something that you've seen on any other chain at the moment.
It's quite a unique solution that's being built directly on Cardano.
So that's something that we can boast about
compared to other chains which don't have anything like this.
There's also going to be a lot of major upgrades
with regards to more visual wallet explorers,
similar to what you've seen with Arkham.
If you don't know who they are,
they're a big entity on ETH
and they do a lot of this wallet tracking, etc.
And this brings me on to the catalyst proposals for this fund.
So we've got two main catalyst proposals.
The main one would be to completely decentralize
and open source the risk rating.
So we'll have multiple nodes
which people who hold NFTs would be able to spin up
and then via consensus make sure
that everybody's calculating the right risk rating
so then that means that nobody can,
nobody, even the team at Cerberus could change it.
It has to be done via consensus
so that keeps it open and completely decentralized.
This is quite important to say
once we've developed this whole nodal network,
it essentially becomes more or less a,
I wouldn't say a society, more like a partner chain
And that's important because this model then can be exported
to a number of other layer ones
but nobody will actually figure out quite hopefully,
just joking, that it's actually running on Cardano.
So it also brings that opportunity
to bring in other communities onto Cardano.
So that's one of the first proposals.
Now, I'll move on to the second one quite quickly
and then I'll be open to answering any questions if there is
and if there isn't anything I can answer,
I'll get back to you guys.
The second one is called the scam investigation registry engine
which is called Siren which is in cooperation with iGone.
So essentially it's more or less a database
where everyone can input wallets
that have some sort of shady business which is going on.
And that will allow us to form a network of oversight
in terms of what other scammers are doing,
what kind of things are they doing,
how are they moving funds
and kind of try and trace these kind of funds
from where they go to where they end up.
For example, on centralized exchanges, et cetera.
So Siren is one of those, I wouldn't call it infrastructure,
it's one of those projects that then can be even given
like we've pre-built this for you sexes to have this
so then you can keep us safe as well.
It's quite an important thing
because I think Mahan will also be using the system
because it's one of the compliance requirements
so that's quite an important thing to consider.
So those are the two main proposals.
I know there's a third one with Newham
where they're helping Newham with their proposal
and that one is to support the analysis
of what kind of music et cetera people do
but that's more of a side proposal which we're supporting.
So those are the three main proposals.
So yeah, that's my elevator pitch which is a bit long.
Thank you very much for sharing.
I saw Adam at his hand up.
Long time fan of the work that's being done
and I think it's critical to increase that level
of transparency about what's going on.
So I'm really excited to hear about the kind of,
I guess it would be like a decentralized
and semi-automated audit process for individuals
But last time I checked or talked to the Cerberus team
they said they were running some pretty hefty computers
to do all the crazy math that they're doing.
Do you have an idea at all about kind of like specs
of what it's going to take if you want to become
one of those Cerberus node operators?
That's a very good question.
At the moment there isn't
because there's a lot more upgrades which are coming along
so we will get those requirements in due course.
I can't give you an exact figure or exact spec
But I know there's been a lot of conversations with,
for example, Igon who will be introducing Compute
as well within the next six months or so.
So that's definitely something that
could or can be leveraged as well.
So the whole idea of Cerberus is to try and build
with the community, with the community
and within the community itself.
So even, for example, looking at
single pool operators, et cetera.
So there'll be also the opportunity, for example,
for them if they hold NFTs or if NFT holders
want to delegate their NFTs to a pool operator
that will probably come in due course.
But there hasn't been any specs for now.
The whole idea at this moment in time is to try
and get the model, at least up and running,
bulletproof and then getting the researchers community
to start looking at it and being active
and inputting to make sure things are running smoothly
and then to open and decentralize
So I think it's more of a step-by-step process
where we iterate on the best bits
and try and sift out any of the redundancies
or rubbish that comes along.
If that answers your question, Adam.
Yeah, again, huge fan of their protocol
and the way that they're approaching it.
We hosted a space recently where complex models like this
that are just analyzing on-chain data
obviously are going to have to go through a lot of iterations
to take into account more data points
to continue to refine the model
and the unquote risk assessment or the network strength.
Last time that we hosted a space,
and I think some stuff was misinterpreted
as to what they're actually measuring.
So I really wish that data hippo
or the servers account was in here
so they could explain a little bit about that.
But again, obviously I'm speaking so much about it
because I think that this is paramount
in an ecosystem where anonymity is a thing,
decentralization is a thing, and so on.
a financial lending kind of service
can only currently be done by the leverage
or collateralizing of some asset
in exchange for a current position.
And in order for that to change
to an uncollateralized type of service,
obviously a reputation model has to be implemented
on a personal level, protocol level,
protocol level, and also whatever it is
all together to have a better assessment
what and are they going to be accountable to pay it,
And I'll chime in also on another protocol
or entity that recently was announced and incubated,
I think it was by Mergo, was called Reputano.
So we have Reputano, we have Cerberus,
we have Igon is working on another one called Stature,
and these things obviously strengthen
the level of transparency that's going to be able
to be pulled off of chain data analysis,
and also participant-based chain data analysis
to be able to implement products and services
that require that, right,
like lending and other kind of financial services.
Thank you, Dr., you did amazing.
I know you usually don't speak,
but done so well representing Cerberus up here.
Go ahead, Rick McCracken.
Yo, Esco, before I let Rick go,
you forgot my homies at Scatdown,
and my CIP, Cardano Fuds,
we need to get that across the finish line
so that these guys can automate their auditing processes,
and that's going to be awesome,
which is not a catalyst proposal,
it's just a CIP at the moment,
but definitely check it out if you're interested
in increasing on-chain transparency.
All of those guys that have been mentioned are great.
Thank you, and nice to meet you, Dr.,
I've been a huge fan of Cerberus for a very long time,
and something that's so important about Cerberus
is you often hear people say,
D-Y-O-R, do your own research,
and Cerberus is a fantastic tool
for actually doing that research.
And just keep in mind, everybody here, me and Cinny,
we're big on personal responsibility,
and each person in this room is the first line of defense
against shady acting, you know,
shady things going on out there.
Cerberus is, you can get information on there,
And my question for the doctor was,
is for running a Cerberus node,
is there going to be some type of licensing,
collateral lock, or will it use the Xercher NFT,
So, there's a lot of proposals that the community's coming up with,
There isn't anything set up in stone,
because there's a lot of moving parts,
and we don't really want to, for example,
and also have very few nodes running, for example.
So, there's a lot of moving parts that we need to consider
when we do come to determining how we want to implement that,
so then we can get a fair base across the whole community
So, there's a lot of discussions which are ongoing at the moment.
And the reason we are going really slow with it
is because we want to try and bring the community with us
and take their inputs and their considerations as well,
because ultimately, they're the ones who will be doing
the heavy lifting with regards to the nodes, for example.
And so, if we don't take our community with us,
and for us, that's the biggest part.
We are only as good as our community is, essentially.
We can have a fantastic protocol, by all means,
but if we don't have a fantastic search as a user base
who has a thoughtful process to debate and critique
then we are ultimately not going to win in this scenario.
So, it's very important that we do things with them.
It may make things a little bit slower,
and I agree that it will,
but we look at more of a long-term solution
where we try and get some sort of consensus going.
With regards to collateralizing,
there may be something with regards to that
because you have to put your reputation on the line for it
because if you're going to be doing important work,
then ultimately, you have to have skin in the game
so it keeps you as honest as possible.
And that's something that we've been talking about consistently.
We've written medium articles with regards to the NFTs, etc.,
but there'll be more updates coming as well.
I know there'll be lots of questions about the searches token.
That will also be coming up,
but that will be used specifically,
similar to what ADID is with regards to securing the network itself
and running it, and delegations moving to good notes
and punishing bad notes, for example.
So, there's a whole process behind that's being thought out.
So, we're not going to be releasing a token for the sake of releasing a token.
It needs to have an actual purpose
and be able to do what it's supposed to be doing.
So, it's something that will be coming.
It's part of the roadmap.
If you do look at the white papers, it does read like a bit of a book.
So, there's like four to five parts of it,
and there's still more to come.
A lot of the heavy maths is going to be released soon as well.
So, anybody who's that way,
inclination, I'm a medic by training.
So, that doesn't really float my boat.
But for anyone who's math orientated,
that's going to be coming out.
There's lots of stuff in there that I have no clue about.
Thank you to the doctor for answering all those questions
and looking forward to those catalyst proposals as well.
Just a reminder to the audience that we are pinning up
all of our speakers and their proposals up above.
So, absolutely, give these guys a follow.
Check out their proposals.
At least give them a fair read,
and then vote your conscience
and what you think is going to move us as an ecosystem forward.
I think we got about 30 more minutes or so, Esco,
on our allotted time today.
If anybody else in the audience has a proposal
and wants to come up and shoot their shot.
And that's what I'm going to introduce right now.
Another person that daddies me every day,
slicing my DMs and tells me,
Having too much fun out here.
Stop fighting the scammers and everything.
He's another person that I have a high level of respect for.
He's a member of the Rare Evil team over there
who are putting together convention
and all kinds of stuff for us,
just like Adam Dean with NFTLV and so on and so on.
So without further ado, Devon.
I don't have to hear you talking in my DMs.
I want to preface by saying that I'm not the tech guy.
So, Adam Dean, don't bar me with tech questions.
I'm wise enough to hire someone much smarter than me.
But my proposal, it's for a what I feel is a much needed platform
in the Cardano ecosystem.
You see it in a lot of other ecosystems
and it's for a easy to use, good user experience,
good user interface platform for projects launching tokens
and teams vesting tokens to lock that liquidity
that they provide in the pools on DEXs
or lock their vested tokens for a given amount of time.
I understand that this is something that can be accomplished now
via roundtable and open source,
but it's, in my opinion, very clunky
and a lot of people don't know about it
and a lot of people don't use it.
The method I'm going will be easily click a few buttons,
choose a time frame and lock
and also be verifiable by the community
to know where they can easily go to the site
and verify that X team locked X amount of tokens
And then integrating that within the DEXs itself
so that even the people starting the pools
can easily block their tokens
for a given amount of time on the platform.
Oh, I should raise my hand.
You get to do what you like.
But no, that sounds awesome.
And I won't ask two in-depth technical questions here.
So first question, and then I'm going to follow that up,
is this in the concept phase?
So that's the category we should be looking for that
or which category are you in?
Yes, the use cases concept phase.
So I'm working with the Avatar brothers over at Saturn,
who are well-versed in smart contract development.
They're utilizing ICANN to build out these smart contracts.
So they're easy load on the chain,
easy to chain transactions, all that fun stuff
to make this experience as easy as possible.
And it's the pin tweet in my profile,
but I can go ahead and put it up to the top.
Yeah, no, we already got you up there, brother.
So no worries on that front.
because I know you did even mention
that we've had other people
like ADO and Summon that are also offering these services,
but I think it's important for everybody in the listening
and who listens to this later
and who's proposing to understand how tiny our ecosystem is.
And so a lot of times we have this mindset that,
well, somebody else already did that,
so why do we need to do it again?
But service diversity, I feel, is very important
because we don't want to enshrine monopolies.
That's kind of the whole reason we came into this ecosystem
in the first place, is to get away from that mindset.
So there's absolutely nothing wrong with a diversity
of clients and solutions for problems like this,
because no one platform is gonna be
the right size fits all for everybody.
And realistically, it's a really big world out there.
So I absolutely would personally welcome some more solutions
for lockups and vesting solutions like that.
So I'm interested to give it a read.
Yeah, thank you very much.
what's the, I'll quote Charles,
moving from don't do wrong to can't do wrong
And the community expecting projects to,
why aren't you locking your liquidity?
Why would you not do that?
Are you planning to run away in three days with it?
I just expect more and you get more.
Absolutely, and it's kind of like along the lines,
I'll chime in here because obviously we've had extensive
conversations about this.
It's kind of like the continuation of putting in safeguards
We literally just had the doctor up here talking
about servers, on-chain analysis for accountability
And then now you're proposing liquidity lockups
and I'm sure other things that I'm not going to mention
up here, but these are all little measures
that improve this, like smaller solutions
that improve the space greatly, I believe.
I remember we had a space where MinSwap came in
because I remember it was like a snowstorm
I had to pull over and everything.
Why isn't that this is an option in the main taxes?
When you want to zap some liquidity in,
they could even incentivize locking it up
And now you have a different metric
when it comes to this liquidity pools
that you actually have locked TVL
in contrast to unlocked TVL that can be pulled at any time.
So you can incentivize locked liquidity providers
at a nicer, higher rate, if you will,
less impermanent loss or something like that
because of their commitment to that liquidity pool.
And this improves the space in various other ways.
There's products that are launching all the time
and it's something that I've had to like over time
by asking people in the space
and just in private and everything,
how to kind of come to terms
that there's some things about fundraisers in the space
where let's just say that people raise $1 million
but 25% of that is gonna go to the liquidity pool
so people can go fight about it or something
because it doesn't make sense to,
some things don't make sense.
But anyways, in the world of memes and all this other stuff,
you can be misguided and taken advantage of
because they are feeding into the trader's greed
we're gonna provide this much liquidity
but they can just take it out as easily
and just literally take off with it.
So these are small implementations that go a long ways
because it would show the commitment behind those teams
when providing liquidity that they are here
to actually go from A to Z
in the developments that they ask funds for.
So little things like that,
I'm a big fan of for sure.
So appreciate you coming up, Debren, as always.
Let's go back to Aida Pulse.
No, it was just a quick one.
I know we were talking about it very early on in the space
but yeah, I just did a quick search
and I couldn't find your project.
What do people need to type to find your proposal
and vote for it in Catalyst?
I don't know because sometimes you can search for one thing
on IdeaScale and it pops up and the other,
I was able to search for liquidity locking
on the app and it popped up
but you can also search for my name,
Nathan Mantia, M-A-N-T-I-A
and you want to pull up that way.
It seems the searches are really acting weird right now.
Damn, my boy just doxxed, just like that.
I'm doxxed on the Catalyst proposal.
I'm doxxed on the Rare Evo website.
I'm not, I mean, oh yeah, yeah, no, it's my name.
Debren might be on there too because I did like my Twitter.
Nathan, N-A-T-H-A-N, Mantia, M-A-N-T-I-A.
All right, cool, I'll give it a shot, I'll give it a shot.
Thank you for coming up, dude.
Oh my God, one of my favorite people in the space
just came up here and he's about to just pitch Bitcoin
or maybe he'll keep it, he keep the Bitcoin
in his ordinal wallet, I don't know.
But I know Riley's about to create some problems
You want to just pleasantly go in, mellow in
or what are we going to do, how are we going to go about this?
You know, I just popped in, I was in here earlier listening
but I had to play some video games online with my brother
for his birthday and so now I just came to chat, hang out.
I'm not here really to shill myself, we do have some proposals but...
I'm going to force you to shill him.
Yeah, you're going to shill currently is what is happening.
Okay, well here's my quick shill for the
Summon Catalyst Proposals Fund 11.
We've got an open source proposal to do a V2 redesign
We've got a proposal to open source our social login mechanism
so that everyone can have social logins on their dApps
and have a wallet based on the social login
and that supports a bunch of different providers
in terms of the social providers.
And then we've got a proposal for providing free services
in terms of some of the services in our platform
You need to work a bit better on that, Bonnie.
Oh shit, didn't know my mic was on, sorry.
You're good, you're good.
I took it to my daughter, she's trying to joke magic tricks, sorry.
Yeah, I was like, Jesus Christ, Josh, way to go way out of left field, alright.
That was good to use, for sure.
I'm actually blushing a little bit right now, that was pretty bad.
I don't know how long my mic was on.
It's okay, sweet cartoons you got playing back there.
I have a kid too, so there's Baby Shark playing all the time.
I've got three kids under eight years old.
I've got a seven-year-old, a six-year-old and a two-year-old
and they're all just mental at this time of night,
so my mic should have been off, sorry, I apologize.
Adam, do you have any questions for Mr. Devon Extravagant here, AKA Riley?
I have one more that I wanted to show.
We also have a proposal where we're doing
some workshop educational material,
and so if you want us to put together a number of different educational workshops,
we have a proposal for that.
Adam, do you have your hand up, or can I keep trolling Riley here?
No, I mean, I was going to just say that I love Riley,
I love all the work that he's done.
Yeah, I just wanted to make sure,
but I saw that I was going to come up and show my own proposals right here
as we got down to the end, but I see the man, the myth, the legend,
Mr. Demew Pro himself has just joined us on stage,
so let's give him 15 minutes or so and then I can go.
We'll close with your 25 proposals, Adam.
You can have the back end of it, you can show all 25 of them uninterrupted.
All 25 in 25 seconds or less each, that's the challenge.
And it goes like this. I'm just kidding.
Let's go to Demew real quick and then we'll go to the person who put this together, Adam Demew.
What's going on, guys? I don't need all 15 minutes, man.
You guys know me already, I'm just going to say, you know, what's up?
How y'all doing? It's been a while. I'm taking a break from Twitter,
but not a break from Demew.
Not a break from Demew, still building, working in the background.
We're actually about to release an update.
We've gotten feedback from the community about the UI, UX of the music player,
the Jukebox music player that is currently live right now,
so that's going to be improved, including a My Library feature,
The vision is to onboard music musicians who don't know anything about blockchain, right?
And so we need to give them the tools to allow them to sell their music,
direct the consumer without having to even know what blockchain is or how to use it.
So, you know, check out our proposals on Project Catalyst.
You know, the first part is what I just said, the Jukebox.
And the second part, the second half of Demew is the B2B part of it,
If the first half is that... I'm a little rusty, guys.
It's usually silver tongue out here.
Just loosen up a little bit.
The first half, what I just said is like,
think of it as the direct-to-consumer portion of Demew.
Then the second part, the Demew protocol, is the B2B part,
where artists can license their music direct to other music platforms.
But let's get past that, because what I really wanted to talk about...
Sorry, I'm in dialysis, all the beats and bloopses.
What I really wanted to talk about is this new proposal.
And I don't know how to pitch it, so I'm just going to talk.
Even though that's what I'll do anyway.
So, I know the person at Central Park does a music festival
where they have a free-to-enter festival, a series of concerts
over the summer, it's called Summer Stage,
and they get the who's who of people across all genres of music,
jazz, hip-hop, country, whatever.
It's family-friendly, all this shit, to perform on stage.
And thousands of people all across New York show up to these events.
And I know the person who puts this together organizes it.
And I'm like, yo, could Cardano sponsor these events
to spread the word through the financial capital of the fucking country?
I want to say country, but I really want to say the world, right?
How can we use this event to not only educate people on what Cardano is, right?
But also some projects working with it that are being built on Cardano, right?
You know, we would use the opportunity to promote Demu in this way.
But others too, Mahan, whoever.
And so that's the proposal, my third proposal.
It's called Cardano Rocks Central Park.
And so if you guys like the idea and vote on the proposal,
I can make that happen, for sure.
Yeah, well, for the people that don't know whose magical voice is behind Demu,
he goes by session cruise.
My man is actually a big deal, very humble guy.
I got a pumpy because I haven't seen you in a long time.
My man worked with the Kim Kardashians of the world,
the Ken Yeezys of the world.
I ain't exaggerating, man.
He got pictures and everything.
You know, he brought Irv Gotti's brother to a Twitter space one time,
I was like starstruck and shook.
Like, if you think I'm joking, then you really don't know who session cruise is.
And he's a really humble guy working with, you know, with his team.
He got like pennies on the dollar for all the effort
and work that they've actually accomplished over a very long time ago.
And I was like, Catalyst Fun 5, that's how old he is.
He's like a thousand years old in this space.
So, you know, he's relentless and he's out here getting it.
And I remember one thing in that space where you brought Viper Records in and everything.
I remember speaking to them directly and being like,
hey, you know, sometimes it takes a disrupter to just hop on the wagon, right?
If he's been able to accomplish this with like $70,000, $89,000 or whatever
over the last, I don't know, year, two years or whatever it is.
You know, can you imagine just in the music industry,
obviously a lot of money moves around in features and this and that and whatnot.
So I remember speaking in that space and just being like, you know,
my man just needs somebody to see the vision and hop on the wagon
that has the energy of being a disrupter, right?
That's what it takes to be ahead of the curve and so on
and refine this to go to the web two and mainstream
to empower the artists to be able to do their own dealings, right?
So, yeah, I appreciate you.
I don't know if you mentioned the fact that also the protocol is based on
automatic split of royalties and assigning, you know,
distributing royalties to the people who rightfully own
the rights to the royalties from, you know, content.
I'm just going to put an umbrella on that as content
because it can be music and anything else.
I believe that the demon protocol doesn't necessarily have to apply to music.
It can apply to anything and everything when it comes to rights,
you know, to the content.
So it's nice to hear your voice again, bro.
I hope that you're doing well.
Yeah, you pitched it better than me, bro.
No worries, you know, we get rusty a little bit,
but it is really, like, truly nice to hear your voice, man.
I really enjoy your energy.
You're just a really good energy type dude, like, at all times.
I've never seen you mad or anything.
And while going through your trials and tribulations in life,
you know, that's how we get stronger, right,
with all the bends that we have to take.
So your myths come in more often to the spaces like you used to.
So I know it can be exhausting at times,
but that's just the ebbs and flows of the space.
We're going to go to Ada Pulse,
and I think that we have one more.
I've been a fan of yours quite a while.
I think one of my early videos for Ada Pulse was for...
The thing is, I do a lot of these projects,
and I don't know how they progress
because I'm just reporting on the next thing that's coming up,
But as a musician like myself, you know,
so I always vote for the music.
Anything music-related gets my vote, so...
I just hit you with a follow,
and I'll catch you up to date on what the latest updates are,
and maybe you can report it, you know?
But one question I've got for you right now, though,
is, like, say a musician like me, a nobody...
Let's say, yeah, a nobody,
how do I get on the Demi jukebox?
Yeah, so that's the next phase of development,
is to automate onboarding.
Right now, we have to manually onboard everyone,
which means KYC them, check them, and all that stuff.
So it's been a bottleneck.
We actually onboarded Andrew Donovan
and he's our artist relationship manager,
so he's going to be the one onboarding people now
as we start to market and introduce the next phase.
We've talked about financial stuff here.
Yes, but we want to protect artists whose music...
You know, there's scammers out there all day,
and they'll upload some music pretending it's theirs,
and we need a recourse for musicians
who have been wronged in this way.
And it don't even have to be something that's nefarious
It could be maybe a rights holder or someone
did not get the credit they deserve
for their small part in the song,
and there needs to be recourse for damages.
I mean, talking about onboarding, though,
Well, Adam might be able to tell you here,
but I think Drip Drops has got a proposal
on sort of onboarding on the Drip Drops platform.
Is that something that could be sort of,
you know, transferred over to you guys?
Are you talking about the Main Street thing?
I'm a little rusty with my Cardano projects,
but you're talking about Main Street, right?
I've got my kids screaming at me as well.
That's one of the 25 that I have to go over, Josh.
I was going to say, hold on, hold on, hold on.
That's why I raised my hand.
We have to introduce the number one developer
The number one party promoter in Las Vegas.
The number one project holder.
Adam Dean, ladies and gentlemen.
Tell us about their 25 proposals,
how we're going to get the bag,
and what are we going to be improving
in terms of the Cardano ecosystem?
I think I'm attached to five total proposals
this round, which was the limit.
So the first one, obviously,
we have a proposal from Drip Drops
to really amplify and pump up the platform
with a lot of cool new rewards features
that we can offer to people.
We just released proof of liquidity yesterday,
which is basically being able to issue rewards
for people who are providing liquidity
Even if you don't qualify for a yield farm,
you as a project can go and still reward those people.
So there's a ton of things we want to do,
including a whole bunch of features
from our roadmap on the Drip Drop side.
And that funding is going to allow us
to do that and execute that mission
without having to potentially look at raising rates
and doing things like that.
And we can try to make Drip Drops
even more affordable if possible.
So I'm looking forward to that
as a tech lead on that one.
I've got two for my personal pet projects.
which is my completely open source
and will remain completely open source.
NFT and Cardano Native Asset ticketing solution.
I'm looking to kind of put it to the kind of finish line
where it's ready to actually be stood up
as a software as a service
so that anybody can use it on demand
any time on a subscription-based model
so that we don't have to keep coming back
And that project will finally be able
to live or die on its own merits.
So I'm definitely looking forward to that.
But the ones that I really kind of care about the most
right now with where I'm at
in my personal developer journey
is our proposals from Agro Labs,
who's the Twitter account that I had
And Agro Labs is a exploratory project at the moment
to really look at unlocking the Cardano side chain
network of side chains ecosystem,
specifically around Esco.
You know, you and I have talked about this a lot,
and supply chain logistics sort of solutions
where we're going to need more carefully curated
and custom tailored side chains.
So we have a total of three proposals from Agro Labs.
One of them I'm not actually named on
because it has nothing to do with me
and I won't benefit from it financially,
but that is to develop a suite of public utility
smart contracts that perform various necessary functions
for an interoperable supply chain ecosystem,
which is like escrow contracts,
custodial courier transfer contracts,
and I said the time lock escrow contract
but essentially they are contracts that we identified
that would be critical to supply chains
and logistics block based blockchains.
And what we want to do is pay to develop them,
make them completely open source.
There won't be any back doors where so-and-so
has to get paid in order to use it.
What we want to develop is like Mike was talking
about earlier is a library of good, well-built
and put through the fire galvanized
and hardened contract templates that people can then build apps
and services on top of those well-known and trusted templates.
And then the other proposal that we have is for our bridge,
which we call Vista and it's more for the off chain
and watcher side of those bridges.
And that's going to, it's already technically a proof
of concept functional IBC bridge,
IBC based bridge to the Cosmos ecosystem.
It literally works in preview network right now today,
although we don't have it publicly available
because it still needs to be audited
and have some penetration testing
and things like that done to it.
And then finally, there's a proposal to write kind
of again, a standardized open source template library
for on-chain data structures relating to supply chain
So if you're a big shipping, you know, maritime shipping
and logistics coordinator handling these big cargo ships
and the giant books full of papers
that the port authorities have to inspect
and make sure your cargo matches up,
how do we translate that and put it on the blockchain?
So those are three different parts of this ecosystem
that I'm very passionate about exploring.
And I'm very passionate about making it open source
so that we can benefit from anybody in the ecosystem
that wants to contribute and making sure
that it's not pigeonholed to just me.
Because again, like we said, with Devron's proposal,
like I've said to session about Demew
it's a really big world out there guys.
And there's plenty of space for multiple people
to build what seems like on the surface,
the quote unquote same solution,
but in a slightly different way curated to their audience.
So I want to try to build the framework
because we don't have the framework yet
that really enables a whole network of businesses
to be built on top of this kind of network
that we've heard Charles talk about many times.
You lost me at penetration testing.
If you didn't hit them with that,
I heard galvanizing the penetration.
But again, just another quick one.
What do we search in catalyst to find your proposals?
Yeah, so for those ones in catalyst,
it's under the Agro Labs account.
And we have, I think, a medium article
that we pinned up as the first post
at the top of the space as well.
Or a link to a tweet to a medium article
that kind of talks more in depth about what we
and I would like to build and are exploring right now.
And we are seeking traditional other methods of funding
so that hopefully again, we won't be catalyst dependent.
But since that funding hasn't arrived yet,
this would be a good first start to make sure
that we can pay some devs to really start
And with that, if there's no other questions,
I'm happy to take them if we do.
I saw you kind of raise your hand a few times up there.
So you got a shot to shoot real quick right here at the end?
Yeah, I can introduce our project short and sweet.
Yeah, I'm going to keep making poo.
I don't need a catalyst proposal to do that.
So sassy poo coming soon.
And that wasn't a joke either,
even though it's, you know,
stringing it from the first comment.
You know, no, I really meant that one.
For fitting me in here at the last minute.
It was great to hear of these other proposals.
And now I'll just real quickly introduce ours.
I'm one of the members of Mondala
and one of the people on the proposal.
we had actually gone for the last fund
and almost got it last day.
All of a sudden we didn't.
So we're giving it another shot.
It's based off of a use case in the dApp
that we built for our development on Cardano,
basically doing game-related stuff
and providing users in the dApp
that is decentralized fundamentally
by allowing them to use the Node Runner tool there
to determine which node they're connecting to
And the idea with this is to extend that functionality
for developers on Cardano with a React component,
not really offering another wallet per se
because there are great wallet solutions out there,
but rather a solution for developers
who would like to choose what nodes
they can connect the wallet to
rather than relying on a web extension,
making it accessible as much as possible,
TypeScript and in an Electron mobile wallet
And for more information,
you can check out our proposal.
As people have mentioned,
the search function on IdeaScale hasn't been so easy
for people to find our proposal.
So the number is, you know,
forward slash one, one, two, six, eight, two,
or you can just go to our Twitter,
Mondala Metaverse and connect to the link there.
And thank you for popping up here right at the last minute.
I'm glad we got to squeeze you in.
One thing that's really interesting that I heard
coming through that is with my other hat on
we're actually having a big kind of review
and overhaul in the ecosystem about how wallet connectors
and data query layers should work.
So I would strongly recommend,
from what it sounds like you want to build,
you would be a good addition to that conversation.
So I'm going to slide in your DMs
and try to get you hooked up that way as well.
I mean, we're ultimately three minutes from
And this type of word usage is kind of like weird,
considering you said something about some penetration
and some galvanizing and stuff,
and kind of uncomfortable.
But we have to have a fixed time supply.
Otherwise, we're not ultrasound money, right?
I just want to say thank you, everybody that showed up.
You know, it's such a privilege to be invited
I'm in spaces all the time,
but I obviously enjoy this type of space.
It's not so much more where we actually discuss things
that further the Cardano ecosystem.
I'm all about accountability and maybe now
that I'm emerging more into the significant things
of the space, not just degen trading,
that, you know, the progressiveness of it all.
I hope that I don't have the bandwidth to do it myself,
but I hope that maybe this is probably
what Intersect is about as well.
So I got to go over there and probably sign up.
But to like, you know, as a continuation
of the space with Rick yesterday,
you know how I came into the space,
I feel like it's not only important
about getting the money from catalysts
for the ventures and improve within the ecosystem,
but I think that also we should highlight
the continued iteration and improvement
of the catalyst process itself.
You know, that's how we can ensure
that there's energy going into the appropriate allocation
of these funds for the betterment of the whole ecosystem.
So, you know, we had a really good chat
regarding that process, right?
It's not just about getting the bag,
but it's also about putting the bag in the right places
that's going to serve the ecosystem as a whole
and increase what? Your data value, you know,
because it's going to become stronger
and all the systems inside of it,
infrastructure and development and products and services,
and obviously the ecosystem as a whole enriching.
So I just wanted to highlight that before,
you know, everybody gets to say their goodbyes,
you know, long-lived catalysts,
and let's continue to contribute to its betterment.
I don't even know if I could say it better myself,
but yeah, thank you so much for all of the people
that got up to speak and all of the people
that tuned in to listen to us talk,
and I just want to encourage everybody to get in
that catalyst app and do your own review
and scan through and try to break out of your comfort zone,
you know, just even pick a handful of proposals
to read through and see what you think.
And then, you know, I see Danny is down there,
I think that guy works 27 hours a day or something on catalyst.
He's always hustling, but stay tuned and follow him
if you don't already for the latest updates
on the next round of catalyst and where we go from here
after this round of voting is done.
And one last thing, I forgot.
Even though he ain't here,
he's another person that puts in a lot of effort
His name is Mr. Lido from Lido Nation.
That guy, I wish he was here so I could like,
you know, have fun with them in the trolling part
But, you know, we don't have him here present,
but Lido and Lido Nation do a lot
when it comes to putting all this information out there as well.
So check out their platform.
Check out Cardano over coffee.
And no, I don't get paid by nobody.
That's the only entity I pay.
So if people are down there being like,
look, Brian got paid for an advertisement
I just think that it's significant to highlight
Lido and Lido Nation over there,
I've done a lot in their platform to facilitate
And I just wanted to highlight him since he wasn't here.
Esco, Danny Rebar has been here the entire space as well.
Huge shout out to one of the most resilient mofos
I've ever met on Cardano.
Danny Rebar, thanks for being here, buddy.
And those are the people that you can't forget.
You can't forget the people that show up
So yeah, highly appreciative of everything
and everybody in this space
and everything that will come from it too.
So yeah, that's my piece.