Kind of hear double voice
There we go, how's that better there we go awesome, man
Okay. Yeah, I'm tuning in from two different devices, which I normally do
But you know for some reason today my headset that I use on my laptop
Which is how I connect to my personal account is not working. So I don't know why
Ah, yes 2024 and we're still experiencing issues like that. I love it
Yeah, no idea, you know, I would reboot my computer but gosh like you just never know so
I'm holding that off until the end of the day
Do a full reader you go usually helps right?
How's your day? How are you doing?
It's been a week, but we're about to get a foot of snow
Up in the colorado rocky mountains and i'm about to ski aggressively. So things are looking up
Yeah, you know, I mean you you either have to be a native carotid or just be in the vicinity of mountains
To be good. I think because i've grown up I would say snowboarding
But i'm terrible because I don't do with any consistency because i'm not close to any mountains where I can snowboard regularly
Right. Yeah, I know it makes all the difference. I
So this is my 30th year of skiing or snowboarding
Do a little bit of both and then I live less than 20 minutes away from seven different ski areas. So
Yeah, no, you have no excuse that's for sure
I lived in colorado for a couple of years
And that's when I got into it, you know in my early 20s, I got into it and
I started getting good and then I moved back
Uh to los angeles, which is where I call my home and
You know, I just since then I probably would go to the mountains like once every three to five years. So yeah
Kind of go like three to five times a week
I'm just coming off of an injury though. So it's been kind of uh much less than that. Yeah
Oh my goodness. Well, I hope you're feeling better
Thank you some fun conversations today. I hope you know
I know you and I have pretty regular conversations just overall because of the cool stuff that's happening over there and
some of the stuff that i'm building that's integrating get coin passport and
I'm personally a fan and I think for most people who
Know of and use get coin passport. I would say they're fans. Sure
There's a couple of you know critiques here and there but no product is perfect
Especially as you know, we develop
Um, you know new concepts or try to make improvements
Sometimes we're gonna break things. Sometimes we're gonna make things a hundred times better
And you know what I I gotta say there are some valid critiques from uh from some of the things that we've been doing but
It's all kind of made worse by us not communicating very well
so we're kind of on this massive campaign right now to make sure that people understand like
We are constantly evolving and that those evolutions are very specifically keeping sibyl defense in mind
So like everything that we're doing is laser focused on sibyl defense right now. So
Hoping we can get into some of those topics today
Yeah, no a hundred percent and let's let's get into it. So before we get started
For anybody who doesn't know who you are
Uh, why don't you give us a brief intro how you kind of joined get coin password and some of the stuff that you've been doing there
Yeah, of course, so I am uh, i'm
Leading strategy, um on the dev rel side and also on the partnership side for get coin passport
After taking a sabbatical and getting ousted from my role at twitter, which was very fun
I was at twitter for five years before this so this is kind of my first foray into um into the web3 world
Which is awesome. What a great way to kind of learn learn the web3 world. Um, I mean i've been
Participating for years in web3, but now i'm finally working in it, which is really exciting
So I originally got brought on to do some documentation for passport slowly worked my way into driving the overall dev rel strategy
And really had a focus on kind of being that technical partner or technical support
um in our partnership conversations and so we've scaled since I started from I think like
I thought i'm not mistaken. I think it was like 300 000 users to we're
Just about to hit 900 000 users, which is super exciting
And i'm also pretty sure that we were around
We were under 20 partners when I joined and we just crossed the 50 partner
Marker just recently here. So we have a ton of active partners that i'm very
Um, i'm working very hard to make sure that they're supported
We're releasing a bunch of new stuff both on the like user facing side
But also today in a matter of fact right after this space i'm going to be launching a brand new developer tool
That's going to make integrating on chain
Uh partners way easier. Um, it's going to be called the gitcoin decoder
Smart contract that we're going to be launching here. So we have a ton of going on and um,
i'm super excited to kind of be uh
Helping the gitcoin team out and and making sure all this goes off
I mean tremendous alpha, you know, so for anybody who didn't know what the heck was happening at gitcoin passport
Hopefully they just got like a ton of information not just to get excited about but to also go dig into
And we'll also talk about how people can you know learn about these things and get more involved
Sounds like people already are sounds like you're going through a lot of feedback
Uh from some of the experiments and things that are happening over there
But you know before we get into that into the meat and potatoes of it
One of the things I wanted to say is has anybody told you that you have a similar cadence in speaking like a walkie?
No, no, actually, uh, that is that's a first but I will take that and run with it because
I mean all hail the walkie. He is a
That's that's a that's a compliment. I'll take it. Thank you. Yeah
Like I I meant it as such I and I wonder a lot of thing. I don't know or just being around one another
I know I find myself sometimes
Imitating how other people speak and hopefully people take that as a compliment and not as me, you know
Being rude, but it's like you you hear how people speak and suddenly you just start imitating that
You know, although enough I don't get to hang out with a walkie as much as I would like
even with him being out in boulder and you know me being in colorado as well I
Have worked with kyle wyce
Quite a bit over the years because he came from twitter as well
He uh, he's you know, very deep in the gitcoin space as well
And he's uh shifting over to start working with us at pat for a little bit more which is super exciting
Um, because he is a thought leader in the space for sure. So if I start something like kyle wyce, don't be surprised
Well, that's great man, um, and yeah certainly
All meant as uh compliments lots of love. I love the whole uh poppy gitcoin
I think I saw one of your tweets recently talking about poppy crypto
Which I think is italic. So I love the whole poppy reference as a latino. I tip my hat, you know
I think I I just love that kind of uh, mimetic
Uh, bring that picture around
I mean you are poppy empty. Okay, so
You're not immune from this
I'll take it man. I'll take it. So
Um, you know, so you were talking about like some of the things that are happening over there and kind of the main
uh thesis I guess if you will of like what what gitcoin passport is and
Represents and is building towards is like that civil resistance
Can you just introduce gitcoin in general kind of where it's been where it's at and maybe we can also talk about where it's going
Yeah, absolutely. Uh gitcoin. I mean
Been around for a while and is one of those well-known brands in the space
But here's a quick overview. So gitcoin equals grants equals growth really in in our mind
So we our primary product really is gitcoin grants and the supporting products around gitcoin grants
So that's um a grant system that's built on quadratic funding
So really awarding we we have a pretty massive matching pool and and work with other partners that make matching pools available
as people go and donate to different grants we
match those donations more so based on the volume of donations to that grant
As opposed to the size of donations from those grants
If we're looking at one grant versus another
And one has three massive donations or three donations from folks that put a lot of money into it versus
Another one that has a hundred donators that put just a little bit into it
We are going to match the funds of the grant that had the hundred donators much more aggressively
So with that being said that is right for manipulation
And we need to make sure that we're also developing some civil defense tools
Which just civil defense means making sure that folks are not able to create multiple accounts to in this situation
Donate to get a larger portion of the matching funds
Which is where gitcoin passport was born from so we build the best in class civil defense tool
In the industry at this point in time
It is really allowing users to
To verify their web 2 and web 3 activities that have a strong human versus civil signal
And then we assign different score weights for each of these different activities in the form of stamps
And the all those different activities and stamps add up to a unique humanity score
So then once you have that score once you go create a passport attach all the stamps you get this unique humanity score
Which our partners who are looking to use civil defense will then look for a score over
Let's say 20 to be able to participate in that program
So our partners are of course quadratic funding like I was just mentioning with gitcoin, but there's also quadratic voting
We're definitely involved in a lot of different governance use cases
Uh our bread and butter is kind of rewards
So we're protecting some airdrop multipliers at this point in time and also looking to
We like are protecting some nfc drops
And another one is like kind of community engagement and community access
So for example, we just kicked off a rather large campaign with zk sink on guild
That is gating access to different tiered
roles for their discord so
Like the standard flow is user goes creates passport gets their
Attaches a bunch of stamps gets a score hopefully over 20 and then goes and participates with one of our partner programs
And is able to prove that they're human and not a civil that's trying to take advantage of that program
There's a lot more to it, but i'll kick it back to you
No, I think you've actually positioned kind of like the next question quite nicely there. You talked about stamps
You talked about scores. You talked about partner programs
You know, so for anybody who's curious, you know, I think it's passport.getcoin.co
Check out the different like first of all signing in with your you know, metamask or web3 wallet
Um, and then you can actually easily see uh on that platform like all the different stamps that are available
For for someone who's looking at that from the outside looking in maybe not someone who's like so deeply into it like yourself or myself
Having used passport for years now, uh a lack of context between the relationship
Uh of stamps and scores like how are those scores determined?
What is the value of scores overall?
Since we are laser focused on civil defense
We really have to make sure that we are partnering with stamp partners that are
Inclusive like that people from around the world and from different socioeconomic classes can participate in
But also we got to make sure that each of those activities
That are included in those stamps do have that strong civil versus human behavior
So every once in a while we will revisit our stamp offering
Um, we will make we will kind of take a holistic view at
The different weights that we attach to each of those different activities
And we'll make adjustments. Maybe we'll remove a stamp
Uh, for example, we just removed the facebook stamp because of actually some authentication issues
Um, or we'll add a new stamp or we'll make an adjustment to a stamp just to make sure that it is looking at
activities that symbols aren't gaming
And then we'll also make adjustments to those password weights. So this really is like symbols
like whenever we kind of release a new
layout of stamps or a new set of
We are essentially releasing a roadmap for symbols to be able to figure out how to gain the system so that they can go
Uh farm an airdrop or they can go manipulate a governance vote
So we have to consistently keep an eye out for civil behavior
Changes and make adjustment to these stamps and these activities that we're uh verifying. So for example
Just recently we just made an update to our eth activity stamp
Sybils were starting to gain the eth activity stamp
So sybils people that were trying to manipulate the system
Were going starting to get access to governance and rewards that humans are working hard to get access to so they're getting an unfair
portion of that so it's important for us to make some adjustments to
The stamp offering so that sybils cannot take unfair advantage of that
So what we did was we have an amazing data science team
they have um created a model that is looking at eth l1 activity and is able and
Looks at 50 plus different features
And is able to identify with pretty good accuracy if an account is civil or human now
We have made some adjustments to this since we launched it last week
We noticed that we were kind of awarding awarding kind of a group of folks that have like
Medium amount of activities and not super high activities
So we got in there really quickly and made some adjustments to the model. We listened to your feedback. Thank you everybody
And um, but one of the things that we're doing with the stamp is we're not telling people publicly
What we're looking for in the stamp and that is on purpose. That is so that we can kind of
Stop that cycle of sybils seeing what we're doing
Making adjustments to their behaviors and able to take advantage of the system. So this is
purposefully abstracting that away
um, and trying to figure out a way for us to continue to like
Make it easier on users to build up a score or to participate in different programs
while also making sure that we're still
laser focused on making sure that civil defense is at the forefront of our strategy here, so
I just talked for a while, but did that answer your question there hunty?
No, it does and you know, one of the things that that brings up is this concept of like public and private modeling. Um,
certainly, I think if you
Make things public they're going to get gamified
One of the one of the things that i've personally found just you know being in this, you know building a product too in the space of
Is that if you look at like historic data
Publish kind of what those models look like right because someone can't retroactively make those changes
this is usually things that are recorded on chain or even off chain and
Then you kind of derive a model from that activity and say hey
You've done some really wonderful things in the past. Let us give you a reward for that
But when you're not when you're looking at like
Contributions, you know ongoing activity. It's much harder
And if you make those things public someone will go. Oh, sure. I can go and do those things
and you know that gamification while
Maybe it could be good because someone is contributing positive action still
When it comes to unlocking funds, it does create an unfair advantage
uh, and so I can I you know, I applaud you
uh, and the getcoin passport team obviously for continuing to experiment with ways to uh, you know, make that or
Fairness, especially in funding distribution
Totally and one one important thing I want to mention is yes
We are building this in private
But we also are totally open to feedback and very actively reviewing that feedback and integrating that feedback into the model
We're going to be continuously making adjustments to it as we notice behavior changes and as we receive feedback from the community
For example, we we received I think uh over 500 different
Form submissions after we launched this and provided a form for people to provide feedback
And we're very actively looking at that and figuring out if we missed any features
if we need to adjust any of those features of the model and have already made a couple of different updates to the model to make
Enabling humans and disabling symbols here
Um, so thank you everybody for your feedback
If you happen to provide some to us and know that we are very actively reviewing that and and integrating it
100 um, I would also encourage anybody if you have questions
Um, you know, please do don't hesitate to put them in the comments
Um, I am constantly looking over the comments here during our spaces
Uh, and i'll bring them up to the stage and you know
We'll kind of debate them and and you know kind of share some context on them
Um, or at least daniel. Well in terms of maybe some of the things that
uh, the team is doing or reviewing as they said or even the feedback that they're receiving and kind of some of the things that
they're doing, uh, you know to kind of improve the product to
Um, you know to listen to that feedback and make it more usable
Um, one of the things I was going to mention is, uh, you know
I'm actually going to be talking to umar. So for anyone who doesn't know umar is a contributor to gitcoin
And on the data side of things. Um, and so the conversation that I want to have with him
And is is kind of on the data side and what is some of this data historically that gitcoin has?
I could potentially prove valuable when it comes to
Civil resistance, you know to improving the passport ecosystem
Uh in the grants ecosystem, of course because I think like you mentioned earlier these things go hand in hand
Um, you know, do you have any you know kind of?
Uh thoughts on the matter, you know, not not saying that you're the data expert here
But in terms of the conversations that is happening, you know, I think git coins has been around for quite some time
Um, you know the gitcoin grants ecosystem has been successful
Uh, you know for for quite some time and I would say hand in hand passport as well has been successful
Are there any data points that you see right now? Uh in any of those projects or platforms?
Um that you would like to see, you know, of course, this is all just anecdotal
Not saying that you're gonna you know, this is gonna influence the way that it works or that you would like to see
You know that is maybe not uh constrained to the gitcoin ecosystem
Yeah, well, first of all umar legend, um
Definitely a good guy to have on your team. He's actually the only guy data guy. I believe this is true
He's the only data guy at gitcoin. That's not working on the passport team. So, um
We obviously partner very closely with him
um, and earlier I kind of mentioned that we
Look at the data and make and like I try to identify civil behavior and how it's evolving
One of the major ways that we do that since we're so connected well connected with gitcoin grants
Obviously is through the gitcoin grants
So as we like work through a gitcoin grants and the analysis of that grants
That's when we really take a deep look
At that civil behavior and so after grants is typically when you're going to see
some score reweighting of our stamps
Maybe some adjustments of which stamps we're working with so we are working aggressively closely with umar in the days
Immediately following those grants rounds to make sure that we fully understand
Like who we enabled to participate in those matching tools
Um and and how siblings might have been able to gain some of the stamps that we have
Um, so yeah, like I think the last
I've only been involved since last may so i've only been around for a few cycles here, but each of those cycles
Um, our partnership with umar
Really helped us better understand civil behavior and you know, like it it's not just
Uh the gitcoin grants that we have data partnerships with
We do have to be very careful with our data partnerships because we are privacy preserving
I don't think a lot of people understand that like
We do not really store much data about you. Like when you verify twitter, for example
You sign in and authorize twitter
We make note of those activities and then we throw away all of the other data. We do not want that data
We want to make sure that we're not doxing you or storing any data from
From you that's not necessary. So
When we are trying to do partnerships and understand
Behavior like we do partner with a lot of our stamp providers to a certain extent
But only if it's still adhering to our privacy preserving principles. Um, so that's why uh,
it's like our relationship with grants is a little bit stronger just because we're kind of working for the same company, but we
That that principle for us is is very very important and we're going to continue
Um sticking to that principle throughout some of the evolutions that we have here coming up
You know, that's actually really good and thank you for making that clarification point because I don't know
for me, it's like you get to a point of
Recognizing and trusting a brand that you probably don't ask the question that you should be asking
but uh, that's a really good one, you know in terms of the
relationship between your web3 identity and any
Using passport and gaining that stamp. It's good to know that that is not
Uh recorded and in perpetuity a part of your digital identity
Um, I guess would you be able to maybe add just a little bit more context? Is that then a cryptographic proof?
How how is that stored that that stamp or is it just we've recognized that you've signed in with that account?
Um, we will then give you that stamp and there is there's nothing else beyond that
That uh the latter the latter, um, we we literally just look for
Um making sure that like that activity has actually been accomplished that the stamp includes
uh and store that in our in ceramic and then
We get rid of the oauth or whatever other credentials. We need to to be able to
Make that connection to that user's account
That's awesome. Yeah. Okay. Great. Um, and i'd be remiss if I didn't talk about like decentralized identifiers and verifiable credentials
Obviously we're talking from the ontology
Account here. That's where we're hosting this space. And so, you know being that they are
For a long time developing a lot of the technology
Supporting dids and vcs and maybe even some abstracted
You know at stations using spts. Um, I would really love to see or or here, you know, I know we've talked
I don't know if you wanted to talk about anything publicly in terms of maybe some of the ideas that you personally have or that gitcoin
Passport has in terms of like how dids and vcs could be
Incorporated onto the platform or if they're not considering them at all
Yeah, we are definitely thinking about this space right now
Initially right now we are concentrating very heavily on
um simplifying the user experience so
and i'll get back to the did thing in two seconds, so
what we're really working on right now is
Like this eth activity stamp, um this model we're hoping that eventually we can
Just make like an endpoint available to our partners to be able to make a request
And then make a decision on whether to enable someone to participate in that program or not based on these models. So
like completely removing the requirement for users to go through and jump through a bunch of hoops to
Assign a bunch of stamps to their profile like we will probably have that always be like a backup
In case someone wants to contest our our models results
Um, but so that's what we're concentrating on right right now
Um in the near future we are going to start trying to figure out how to enable you to have multiple different
wallets associated with one account of course in a way that
You're not doxing yourself. We we don't want to make we want to make sure that
People cannot make connections between your different wallets
By looking at any passport data, of course
So i'm super excited to be joining this ontology space right now because this is one of the avenues that we would very much like
Exploring here in terms of like account abstraction
That is super important. Like people don't have just one wallet. I mean some people obviously do but it's a really good
best practice for you to have a hot wallet and then maybe a cold store wallet for
The more expensive nfts that you bought or like the bulk of your investments. So
We want to make sure that
You can be rewarded with human
With like a higher passport score or you know us recognizing you as more human through our models
By enabling you to attach multiple different wallets that exhibit human behavior, of course
Multiple different wallets that are exhibiting
Civil behavior is another thing that we definitely have to be thinking in this respect
that's literally what we're trying to protect against obviously, but
um, but we also want to make sure that like that human behavior of having multiple wallets is is
Rewarded as well. We actually just got off the call with
And had a great conversation about this and are starting to very
More much more aggressively explore what to do with this account abstraction. There are some very tricky points with it
Specifically around nullifiers that we have to really kind of iron out and we're hoping to kick off some conversations with some industry leaders on
Um, but that is definitely, you know a little further down the road than what we're concentrating on right now
ease of use for users and then kind of
tangentially ease of use for integrators and then secondly
And then you know, secondly is just making sure that we're continuing to evolve
As civil behavior evolves, but then we are definitely going to be concentrating on that account abstraction making sure to
Connect multiple wallets in the near future here
Yeah, that's wonderful. I mean, um
you know, one of the things I know that I mentioned to you and certainly something that I think is important to this conversation is
That point of being able to make connections across different blockchains. I think
We're in a place now where we
live like in a in a multi-chain environment
Where most most people I think uh, I'd say
You know kind of doing things not just on one blockchain
I know certainly when I started in this ecosystem, that was not the case
I started in one blockchain then quickly
It started exploring different boxes. And in fact, ethereum was never even my first blockchain that I started exploring
Um, I came by way of tron
Uh, and then you know through ontology and then like five or six other blockchains before I even came through ethereum
And so there is all of that activity that you know, i've been a good actor and contributor
Um, you know across different blockchains for much longer than i've been on ethereum
You know, I think ethereum probably has
Uh, I don't know a three or four year history for me
But if you go back like six or seven years, you can see is like oh humpty has been you know, an active contributor creating projects
um, you know adding value to different communities and it would really be great for me to be able to capture that
Uh and bridge it over when it comes to my public goods funding
Uh, you know on a platform like gitcoin grants, you know through gitcoin password
So I think that that's a really wonderful initiative
Nailing our roadmap right now
Thank you. Uh, I mean, so yeah, this evec tier activity stamp is specifically looking at l1 activity
We know we need to continue to develop additional models here
Um, we're also thinking about an nft model a poab model
and also specific models for different l2s like
L1 activity is quite different from l2 activity
So we kind of have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a different set of features for each of these
different models here, so
We have a citizens round coming up here
And we want to kind of open this up to see if any citizens are interested in helping us develop these models
For example, like we have some super smart data scientists thinking about this living this breathing this and helping us put together the
We are going to kind of see if there's some folks
Out there that are interested in helping come up with different feature ideas that we might
Include in like once again the nft the poab and different l2 models
So, um, there might be some partnerships with those l2s specifically to help
Try to look at what activity on there has strong human versus civil activity or signal
So that is something that we're continuing that that's kind of still in that like first bucket that we're concentrating on of making
The user experience much easier for users, um is making sure that you know, we're not just looking at l1 activity
I'm barely on l1. Anyways, like gas fees are ridiculous
So i'd much rather for there be to be some l2
Activity models and it's definitely coming up in the future here
Well, it's funny. Okay, so it's interesting not funny that you mentioned that because I was thinking is like would
gitcoin passport be open to
Open sourcing, you know these models and um, the reason why obviously I
For anybody who doesn't know gitcoin and open source are you know, kind of go hand in hand?
uh, you don't need to read too far into the documentation or
Even like I think the main website for you to kind of see the relationship between what gitcoin stands for
And the open source movement, uh, but I also just finished reading read write own which is chris dixon's new book
And it just to me that almost seemed like a love letter to open source software
And in it I just felt so much of what gitcoin stands for
Um, which is you know, the composable, uh modules or the lego
You know kind of lego blocks that are open source software and you know
How that allows you to build faster and more efficiently and some would say even more cheaply
Uh because you're basically uh working or collaborating with different developers that are building different products
um, and so when I think of like these models these could sort certainly be open source models or if a
Platform is developing models and issuing rewards these rewards themselves can be primitives that are used
uh, you know in lieu of models because they've already been rewarded based on a
requirements that then say oh this will be issued or rewarded based on this activity as I mentioned before so
it's really good to hear that
Considering if not has already considered uh setting that up through the latest citizens round
Since you brought it up. Would you mind sharing? What is the citizens around them?
Yeah, for sure. Well, first of all to address your your last point there
You know, this is a tough situation
Obviously, we want to be as open source as possible
In a matter of fact, there's a couple of developers out there that have completely forked passport
And it's kind of developing a new passport specific for
Blockchains, which is awesome. We we love that and they're kind of difficult to support because
We don't know those other ones as well as evm right now
Um, but it's it's great to see that now like I mentioned earlier
Like when we adjust our stamp and activities that we're looking for
For that human versus signal or human versus sibyl signal
We have we've previously given sibyls their roadmap for how to game our system. So
Open sourcing these models could
Be a challenge for us because we we don't necessarily want to tell sibyls
Exactly what they need to do to be able to game the systems and take advantage of our partners
So I could imagine a world where these are like semi open sourced where if you can prove
In a verified like way that you're a human
And that you're interested in participating in this and not like, you know
Exposing the inner secrets of these models to bad actors
maybe we would you know, allow you to help participate or just
Open up different feedback sessions where people can submit ideas and then us incorporate
Those ideas into these models. So it's it's a tough balance. I
I love building in the open
But when sibyls can like figure out the system that that's a challenge for us
So i'm sorry to everyone who wants more information about our eth activities to have
But just just you know behave well
And if you think that you should still deserve it and we didn't award you any points
We do have some feedback mechanisms that you can
Explore to help us further develop that model. So that was the first point second point
We have this lovely program called the get coin citizens round um where we enable we
either retroactively or proactively fund citizens activities that are furthering the goals of
Um, I just had a meeting the other day about um planning for our next one. That's coming up here soon
We haven't really publicly posted much about it yet
Um, but you will be hearing much more about it soon
I specifically came up with a list of different things that we would like to recommend for citizens to help us out with on the
Passport side of things and if you participate in those activities
You're opening yourself up to be retro actively funded through this citizens round, which is really exciting
So some of the things that I put down on this list are helping us develop
tutorial content for our developers and sample apps or helping us develop thought leadership content for
civil defense in the reward space or in the governance space or even just kind of coming in and helping respond to
social media posts that we see
that are like responding or talking about us like even that could
Qualify you for receiving some funding through these citizens around which is pretty awesome
So, um, if you follow me and then i'm going to be jumping on another space here in a couple of weeks
Where i'm going to be discussing a lot of this
Um at greater length, um as we kind of start to roll out the next citizens around here
Um, but we're pretty excited about this. We we've seen some good
Work on this in the pot pass as you know, Humpty, I believe
Um, and we're excited to continue this program for at least a couple more rounds, which is super exciting
Yeah, heck yeah. I know about this. I was actually uh,
I'm thankful for having been recognized in a previous git coin citizens around myself
So I was awarded some funds for that and you know
For me, it was less about the funds more about the signal from the community that they saw value
Um in my personal contributions because yeah, I think you mentioned during your description
The citizens round is different from traditional git coin grants rounds where the git coin grants round traditionally
Funds projects or groups whereas the citizens round is specifically about the individual. So what are your individual?
Uh contributions what impact have you made on the git coin ecosystem and community? So, uh, yeah for me
That was a that was a huge boost in my my in my git coin signal and I was super happy to have received, you know
And we're super happy that citizens are stepping up and helping us out. I mean like
It's so awesome to see that people are just kind of starting to do things that are helpful for companies without really being paid there
On the spot and not necessarily like expecting to get funded for the like good deeds that they're doing for a company but then
Later on being retroactively being rewarded for some of those activities. That's awesome
That's like such a new concept
Um, and I think it's going to really encourage a lot of behavior and a lot of like strong community
Trust and growth for for companies that take advantage of programs like this
Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean I think you know because we've had these conversations like I said before but for me
Public goods retroactive rewards rpgf, you know, all of these things
You know kind of a cultural shift in the way that we look at work the way that we look at
Uh being paid for the work that we do and just generally impact
Um, you know, I think that these are wonderful tools and certainly ones that I wish to accelerate personally
So i've added those to my own personal mission in terms of the work that I do and what I can you know
Contribute I guess in terms of being able to add value
And develop systems and products to be able to support that too
Absolutely. Love it. Thank you. Yeah, so, um, you know, I guess just to kind of get back on the passport thing
uh, one of the things that I was thinking about especially as you were talking about like we were talking about open source models and
Maybe how that's not the way
currently though there are stamps and these stamps are
Usually issued or should I say yeah, they're issued
Things that you might have accumulated or done elsewhere that isn't gitcoin, right? So poapse is a good example
And you've earned those that is one signal maybe a low signal
But still a signal that you've created value and made an impact or showed up just in general
How could an organization?
Uh go about saying I think these are
primitives that could be used
Uh in gitcoin passport, like what is like the route for them to go if they wished
To participate in that ecosystem as well through the you know attestations that they've made
Uh or issued I should say to their community
So just just to make sure I understand the question. Are you kind of asking like how do we decide and how can people?
Approach us about potentially becoming a stamped partner or maybe even participating in the models that we're developing
Well, I would say more as a stamp partner because as in the model that developed that you're developing
I think we've kind of covered that a little bit
We can go a bit deeper if you'd like to on that, but my question was more so on becoming a stamp partner
how about this I'll kind of cover both of them um stamp partners, so we
Previously been pretty open about adding new stamp partners. Um
and then we realized that
Maybe that's not necessarily the right direction
What we did back in around september october timeframe of last year was identified a set of criteria
That we are holding very true to in terms of like considering additional stamp partners
So that criteria and let's see if I can remember off the top of my head
Is obviously strong civil versus human signal
Free or very cheap to be able to verify
We would like to make sure that the stamp partner has like a decent user base
Um, and then also that they are willing to to a certain degree partner with us on the data side of things. Um, obviously
Still respecting our privacy preserving principles
Let's partner with us on the data side of things to make sure that we're continuing to improve our civil defense
So on both sides us and them
We have been very strict with that and we have only really considered partnering with a few
Since we set up that criteria. I am excited about a couple of opportunities coming up here
We're thinking about partnering with this one company that will allow us to look at uber data. Hopefully
um, which we think will be
I mean, obviously a lot of people already uber around so they have some data in in that bucket
So, um, we're considering kind of releasing an uber stamp
Like I mentioned earlier kind of concentrated on this model
So we haven't been super open to adding additional stamp partners
We have a list of them when we do start opening this back up, um, it's something that will definitely
Start to consider again and you know, we're also thinking about further down the road
Protocolizing the password system and enabling people to kind of create their own stamps
But that's not something in the near future that we're considering now
on the other side of things
We have had a few conversations with folks part like companies that are developing really cool things like
For example and like creating a an nft that represents your philanthropic efforts
We are considering building that into our nft model or something like that
um, so there are certain stamp partners that instead of like
Setting up a brand new stamp with them
We're considering still including them and working with them, but in a different way through the models
Um, so yeah, definitely opportunity still
We do want people to still approach us if they think that they do fit that criteria that we mentioned earlier
But that's kind of our standpoint right now on what's going on with stamps
so in terms of you know integrations, I mean obviously the
The the whole theme of these this series that we're we've been hosting lately, which is community building tools
Tell me a little bit about how passport is getting integrated into communities
Um, I think I saw recently that passport was being used in conjunction with an octant grant
Like what are some of the ways that communities are using passport?
Uh to you know provide civil resistance
Uh better grants for their for their users
Um quadratic funding and quadratic voting is definitely a great use case for passport
Providers so snapshot for example
You can gate access to submit proposals or vote on proposals to folks that are able to prove that they're human through passport
that we also are working with a variety of different rewards and
It's we're pretty excited about the reward side of thing right now
We're really concentrating on how can we better serve and and prove humanity for air drops?
Both on like just a flat out gating side of things but also on the multiplier side of things
Um, so on that front we're offering multiple different kind of products or services
Of course, you can use passport and gate access based on a threshold score
But we're also doing data analysis with them. Um, so we're helping to develop criteria potentially
um for air drops and and also looking at like a list of wallets and able and
and working with that company that might be doing the airdrop to identify like
How sibbled that drop is going to be and how to adjust their criteria for maybe like future rounds of airdrops?
Then on the community side of things like we are working with guild
and a variety of different quest platforms, so
Are like for example with guild and once again, we talked about it a little earlier in this conversation
We just launched a zk sync campaign on guild
We they are gating access to
different tiers of discord access
Using get coin passport. Um, so really those are kind of our primary use cases
Anywhere that symbols are trying to manipulate we are very useful though
How those folks integrate with us there's kind of two different ways
In about to be a third so we do have a api that's free to use
You can just go to score.passport.getcoin.co to get a pair or an api key and set up a score
Um super easy to use as well
So the majority of people are currently using our passport api when they're integrating with us
We do also make available smart contracts. So
It's optional for users to push their stamps and their score on chain
But if they do there are attestations that are created on eas or varax depending on the network you're using
And then we make smart contracts available to developers to be able to access that data. So
Literally, let's see here in 10 minutes or so
You're going to see a tweet coming out from get coin passport about a brand new smart contract that we're launching
Well sneak preview, um, so that should make it easier for um
On-chain use cases of passport data
the third thing that we're launching here very shortly is
We're migrating to compose db
So the folks that are building with ceramic and compose db can very easily access our data
We also have a upcoming partnership with orbis
That should be coming down the pipeline in a couple of months here, which we're super excited about so
plenty of different tools for uh developers to access this data and integrate with us, um, I personally am helping
Build a lot of our documentation and tooling. So if you have any feedback i'd love to hear it
We think it's pretty easy, but you know developers always have different perspectives on that. So please do let me know
Would absolutely love to hear that but yeah
That's kind of what our developer platform looks like all of that is free
To access this data. Um, the only revenue that we're generating right now
Is if we're building like a custom dashboard for someone
So that's like, you know, if we're actually setting up a unique password that has like individual branding for a partner
Or if a user pushes on chain, there is a two dollar fee to push on chain
And that's mainly to cover some of the tech underlying that
As well as any revocations that we might have to do if we notice that someone pushed on chain and is civilly
Yeah, we're we're obviously eventually we'll be looking into more revenue streams, um in future but
For developers like come and use our data like we want to help you protect your programs from civills
Um, and we're pricing our developer tools at zero dollars to to make sure that that's available. Yeah
Wow, that's not a call to action. I don't know what is
Honestly, I think that there's just so much there
Uh for anybody interested in you know, not just learning more but actually getting involved
And I personally uh was kind of playing around a bit with the on-chain attestations
Um, I started with that back at permissionless. In fact, I participated in a hackathon
Um, which hey, I'll cut myself in the shoulder a little bit. I I got a bounty from gitcoin password. So that was cool
Um, so definitely a lot of work being done there. Yeah. Thanks
And um, you know, yeah in terms of the documentation
I would say look everybody if you're listening and this sounds interesting to you at all
We've given the length before passport, I guess get coin co
Um, you know if you find yourself contributing, you know to this that's the citizens around like I mentioned it's coming around
Um advocate for yourself share with the community what you've done and there's an opportunity potentially to get retroactively rewarded as well
um, I know i'm going to be actively looking at people who are contributing in particular to passport as um,
You know, it's uh, I think it's probably the tool that I use the most of the kitcoin stack
Um, and I want to be rewarding people also, so that's my personal call to action
um anything else that's uh
We failed to mention left unsaid that we should be talking about here. Daniel has the time the hours come into a close
Not necessarily just thank you
Was very excited chat here. Uh, I just posted a link
I will also be posting a link to our feedback forum for the eth activity stamp
Um in the comments here and keep an eye out on the get coin passport. Uh
Twitter account for this update that i'm about to share about our brand new smart contract that we're launching
Well, I mean that that's a lot to take in there. Um, definitely please do give uh, you know
Daniel a follow if you're here live listening if you're listening to the playback
Uh, you can follow daniel at um, I believe it's pronounced the brat l-e-b-r-a-a-t here on the x platform
And also give a get coin passport a follow
Thanks for coming. Daniel. This has been a really fun chat
Awesome. Yeah, totally man. Thank you very much. Let's do it again
Cool. Definitely chat later. Bye