I'm working the morning and I've been the crack of dawn All my money worries wherever I grew come along Where is the belief that just
♪ I'm just gonna let it be ♪ ♪ Trying to keep me busy ♪ ♪ Tussling and struggling ♪ ♪ No home sinks apart ♪ ♪ Me and the ass gets them down ♪ ♪ I'm sure of where I'm bound ♪ ♪ So I sink another round ♪
Let's see both of the pain and there's no one for to blame I refuse to accept that my work is all in vain worries of belief that you're the one letting me be
♪ And it keep me busy ♪ ♪ Toss me in struggling ♪ ♪ Still always remembering ♪ ♪ When the going gets tough ♪ ♪ Got the neighbor of our love ♪ ♪ But we wore our suit and now ♪ ♪ Still always remembering ♪
♪ When the going is done ♪ ♪ That the labor of our love ♪ ♪ Will be what I should enough ♪ ♪ May the deliverable love is paid in each day ♪
♪ In all hell ♪ ♪ I'm always thinking of ♪ ♪ Everyone else waiting for himself ♪ ♪ To worry to believe ♪ ♪ That he has won the living thing ♪ ♪ Trying to keep me busy ♪ ♪ Toss me and stop believing ♪
I'm sure I'm aware I found something else around. Unless you vote for pain and there's no one more than you play.
♪ I used to accept that my word is always plain ♪ ♪ Worries of bullying as childhood let me be ♪ ♪ I try to keep this easy, totally and struggling ♪ ♪ Still always remembering ♪
♪ When the going gets tough ♪ ♪ Got the labor of our love ♪ ♪ Well, you want us to end up ♪ ♪ We'll always remember it ♪ ♪ When the going gets tough ♪ ♪ Got the labor of our love ♪ ♪ When we want us to end up ♪
Hello everybody. Thanks so much for joining us today. I'm Zandra. I'm the host for today's Twitter space as well as the community manager for Charmverse. So if you're not familiar with Charmverse,
We are a web free community platform for managing members, coordinating tasks, facilitating decisions, and holding each other accountable. Members sign in with crypto wallets and gain access via community tokens and NFTs.
together onboarding payment management, proposals, project trackers, and data repositories in one place. So please be sure to check it out after this space because I'm very excited to be speaking with my guest today. So today we're chatting raid
And Rayfield is a decentralized collective of mercenaries ready to slay your Web 3 product demons. But what does that really mean? Well, let's welcome Ben up and he can tell us all about it. Hey Ben, thanks for joining me today.
Hey, thank you for having me and welcome to our listeners. So I'm then I'm a member of rate guild and I've joined the guild maybe about half a year ago so I'm quite a fresh
joiner to the group of mercenaries as you correctly said that slaves were free product demons. Fantastic. So happy to have you here. So listeners Ben and I first connected through co-writing a blog post.
where we dove into coordination and collaboration in Web 3 and talked about some of the challenges that we face but also some of the solutions that are out there. And it is entitled "Tying up Lucens Community in the Future of Work in Web 3". You can find that on the Raid Guild blog as well as the Charmverse
blog, so check it out. I very much enjoyed writing that with you Ben. You are a pleasure to work with. So, okay, so we broke down a little bit. Decentralized Collective of Mercenaries, ready to slay your Web 3 product demons. What does that mean? What is great, raid guild doing?
Well, it really boils down to a collective of freelancers who provide development focus talent for higher. But this doesn't mean that we are not building products ourselves. So we have incubated quite a few.
And for example, build our own CRM. We have a tool to ensure proper collaboration and that people get their stuff done they've committed to. So we basically focus on
talent for hire but build products ourselves to sharpen our nice and access. So to say. I like it. Yes, you've launched things like DeFi dashboards and DAPs and tokens, right?
Yeah, so we have our like a token ourselves. So the right token, it is used for governance, but also for onboarding new members. So essentially it's a utility token. But we've also built great dApps for our partners.
I love it. We're going to dive into more about some of the things that you were talking about earlier, but just so we know what is your role at Raidgilt? What's your role within the Dow?
So you know, those are kind of ambiguous and they're fluid, but I would like to think of myself as a monk, which essentially is a project manager or product manager depending on the
context. And I do like writing and doing research myself so this role can change depending on the context. Depending on what's needed at the time and hence why you also were the one writing with me and you are a
ratewriter. So that makes sense. Thank you. Yeah. So you are. Well, thank you. Thank you. So why did Raidgill decide to go with a dow route? Why didn't they just decide to be a business that could be out there kind of building for people?
Well, I mean, Raid Guild really was an answer to the need for building Dau. So I think like first or before Raid Guild became a business, it was a Dau. So many of the like founders
of Dow House, the framework for Dow's on on Noisys Chain, found a great guilt as an answer to the need occurring from like the Dow House framework. So we are a Dow rather than a business, not the other way around.
And I like that you that you state, you know, Dows will power the future of work and that raid guild will believes in web through
and that you're here to build it, use it, and propagate it. So you're really just standing behind this, ready to take on tasks, and help others get into this space.
Yeah, I mean, like even now the tools like the outhouse are not self-explanatory and and and Web 3 is still let's say an emerging sector. So so it's not it's not clear where we're going to
ago so we need to explore it and we're here to explore it ourselves but also help other people exploring it and making use of it because it boils down to being a new paradigm of work so we better make use of it.
Yes, absolutely. We're all in it, right? And I assume most of our listeners today are also on Web 3 or at least Web 3 curious. Also listeners, if you do have any questions, raise your hand. We'll do our best to answer them. Again, anyone joining late? I'm talking with Ben, a member of Raid Guild.
and we're just starting to dip into what Raid Guild does and how they operate. So what about profits? I assume you're charging people for your services. What is that? What do you do with that? I assume it goes into your treasury, but is there a certain way you use that money?
Yeah, so I mean we need to sustain our ecosystem and we need to sustain our operations. So for this we have what's called a rep so a rate-gilded improvement problem.
So essentially if you have an idea how to improve the functioning of rake yield, you can put up a proposal. Usually these kind of proposals tend to be technical, but they're not exclusively technical or
or aimed at building a tool that can be used, but it can be as simple as just excavating knowledge that has been, that exists within Rakeel, within the ecosystem, but
has not yet found the right place. So this is where we spend a big portion of our trashy, but obviously we also retain a share for, let's say, bear markets.
Yeah, hold on to some of that. Keep it safe. Always a good idea. So I feel like people listening are going to have projects that they're going to want to employ Raid Guild 4. How would someone go about an individual or an organization go about
Yeah, obtaining your services. What does that look like?
Well, generally we have a higher S button on our page and there you can fill out the form. It's as easy as that and then we'll get a notification in our Discord that you have contacted us and we'll get in touch.
Now we are in a bear market so things have changed and probably if you already know one of us it's probably the easiest to talk to us personally and see how we can point together.
Now, the ecosystem also has a lot of public goods that are being built. So we also want to give something back and want to grow together. So there might be a chance
that we can co-create something. And, you know, we do this ourselves. So we are hosting a new cohort starting in June. So if you want a partner and if you want to support, we'll also interest
it in building long lasting partnerships. But generally speaking, if you want something built for hire, you reach out to either one of us personally or you fill out the form if you just want to have a consultation.
So listeners, you heard that if you go to raidgill.org, I believe it is. Yes. raidgill.org. There is. He's right. There's just a high RS button. So you could do that. You could probably reach out to someone if you know someone directly or join the course.
That also sounds like a really great way to partner with this amazing DAO. And I'm saying as I look there, if you want to join Raid Guild, there's also a join us button right next to the higher us button. And so what does that process look like? I mean, yeah, to become a part of the DAO.
So it can be a lengthy process, but it's also very fulfilling. So essentially you join a onboarding session, there are a couple
And then you get started, you get offered a bunch of knowledge, so we host coaching and mentoring sessions. And then you kind of form, let's say, it'll grow.
group of demons, layers, who work together to solve bounties, to solve issues, to build something, to commingle with experienced and seasoned, break-old members.
And you do that for a while. And then probably a meaningful project comes along and you know it as soon as you see it that this is going to be the project that kind of also defines your role at rate guilt later on. And then
You find a sponsor, so usually they say an experienced rate-code member who takes on mentoring you and also deposits a bond which they get back if you become a full member. So then you turn into an apprentice
And apprentices get more roles and more permissions in our discord. So you can actually see what's going on in the insight of rate guild, how we work, how we operate, how we talk to each other.
a part of Rape Guild for 60 days within which you need to complete the project you've identified and then you can deposit money and get your shares so then you're a full member for life.
So you start at kind of this base level, eventually become an apprentice and then you kind of move your way up by solving issues, apparently fixing problems, things like that. Am I understanding that right? Yeah, so you can either
So, you can either have an internally focused project completed or you can go on a raid which is basically doing something for a client.
So this is what you have to do in order to show that you work. So you basically have to complete a proof of work. You have to earn your reputation and you have to show that you're worthy and dedicated.
isn't to say that we're not welcoming. It's just that, you know, we want to make sure that you can pull your part, you can become a member and you're dedicated. Yeah, so it's like, I would say, as
three step process which doesn't necessarily need to be linear. So as soon as you're a cohort member you can join rates but you don't have voting rights and you don't have access to the treasury. So to say
Yeah, I think talking to other members of DAO's and how they operate, I think that's kind of one of the challenges, right, is making sure people are pulling their weight, are doing the work that's expected of them. How do you know what contributions they are making?
And I think, yeah, dedicating their time and their energy to this Dow to make it worthwhile to be included. I think that makes a lot of sense. And also, I imagine would be a struggle at times. Go ahead. Thank you.
We still experience a lot of friction but free because have you ever heard of a Tao asking for a high school diploma or a university diploma? I don't know, have you heard about it? No, not yet.
And there's no way of us accepting it and some people just wouldn't like this. So we either like we don't have good means to for people to present their credentials in a privacy-preserving way without doxing themselves.
And we also don't have a way or a good way of accepting these kind of credentials. So the only choice we have is like looking at what you do when working with us. So it's not necessarily a good thing how things are. I think things need
to change, but we just don't have another way, not a bad way of doing it. No, I think we're all still figuring it out, right? More you do it, kind of figure out what works, but doesn't. That was still new, Web3 is still new, so and every
that was different. But we discussed a bit about onboarding with Raid Guild, UNI separately, and I'd like to talk about the the DAP that you recently introduced called Right of Mole. Tell me a bit about this DAP and why it was developed.
Yeah, so I think as usual with those it depends a little bit on Who you ask so some would say we which is your look the task and how to product we kind of had to put the use If you ask me this would be a different
story. So when we talk about Right of Mollok, which you're essentially referring to, then the core of it is the meme of Mollok, so that things tend to not go the way you want them to go and you have to
be aware of it. And in right of Moloch mocks this notion by saying, well, we're all part of it and we kind of celebrate it. And that's why the tool basically makes you deposit a bond that you are going to deliver the word
you promise to do. So it's kind of like no HR for DAOS. This is like the term we call it with the slogan because DAOS do not have leverage. So if you say I pick up this work, I do it. And you
you anticipate getting paid for it and then another project comes along and you're hardly right there, it's slightly higher than individuals or rational actors tend to drop the project they dedicated their time to first
and do the other project for more money. So to mitigate this, we just ask people to deposit a bond, deposit a small stake, which they get returned if they actually did the work or
I mean, took all measures they had at their discretion, like put in serious effort in completing a job. So yeah, and we build it to see who actually wants to participate in our cohort.
So I was part of the first cohort where it was used. And we liked it so much that we developed it further and are now looking at where to integrate it, how to integrate it, who can make use of it. And we got some really good feedback.
So it's working. I mean, I think that's a great idea. It definitely makes sense that I'm working on a project, but this other project pops up that pays more. I'm going to put that other one on the back burner, but now
they have stake in that first project and are going to complete it because they don't want to lose that. That's a great idea and I'm glad that it's been working. That's fantastic.
Let's talk governance. I'm always curious how does a DAWs operate with governance. So with Raidgill, do you buy a share? You would mention the token. So do you buy a token? And that token gives you a share, which in turn gives you a vote.
No, so you deposit X-tie, so you offer a tribute and you buy 100 membership shares. So you don't get like one share, you get 100.
And with these 100 shares you start out Now if you go on rates if you if you complete projects and you're getting paid you can request up to 20% of your payment in in voting share
So you could increase your voting power within in rape guild. So yeah, basically the membership is independent of our token. And it's basically a dial house standard.
Okay, so what about are there shares that don't allow people to vote or that is that kind of utility token you were talking about?
So, Daos have like an like ultimate ratio if someone tries to harm the guild or misbehaves is like using offensive language
against other members or just tries to exploit the rule as rate guild member, then rate guild can rage kick this individual by
it to have load. Now this doesn't mean that this individual may have contributed financially and personally to the growth of the trashary. So you get what's called loot shares so that if you then decide
to rage quit, you still receive part of the trash array. So you don't leave empty handed. It's like, I don't know, it's like a severance package in the corporate world. And currently the like one share
in the Dow costs about 5 wrapped X-dye. So you basically have to deposit 500 wrapped X-dye as a tribute in the beginning to get 100 membership shares. You can increase your share amount over time by going on rates and
and buying shares with a portion of your rate reimbursement and you get loot to prevent you from incurring a financial loss even if you misbehave. Because they still a chance that our members could collude against you.
I love it. I love the whole you can go on a raid or slaying demons. It sounds like a dow of bad asses really. And you seem to have it pretty well worked out on how it's operating. I'm sure you still have your challenges. Yeah. As most downs. We're not bad.
as in the sense of that we're unfriendly. I think from the outside we look all grim but when you talk to us we're actually friendly people and we love to meet in real life. This is not to say that we deliver great projects and are bad as nuts
but we are really open-minded and don't take ourselves to seriously. Sounds like a great community to be a part of. So it sounds like a lot of developers because you're building a lot of things. Do you have to be a developer to be or is it encouraged to be a developer to be a part of Redgilt?
I think you would have an easier time being a developer at right kill because you are among developers for the most part but we actually do have a big need
for hunters. This is what we call our BISTAF people. We are looking for designers which we call Arches. We are also looking for clerics, so account managers, people who
love to talk to clients. And you know I'm among myself so I think I can prove otherwise so you don't have to be a developer but you probably should like the three.
Yeah, I think you've forgiven them to a doubt. You got to believe in the space. Want to be a part of it. But listeners, as you're hearing, if you're curious about being part of a doubt in the sounds, like a very cool community, designers, account managers, but also developers.
So definitely check it out. Like I said, raidgild.org. You can get information there. And you can also message them. I'm sure on Twitter. So we talked about right of Mollick and some of your onboarding tools and kind of
task management stuff, but raid guilds been using charm verse, right?
Can you tell me a bit about why and how you found charmvers, why you went that route and then how you're using it? Sure. First of all, Big Shoutout to a little crooner who kind of got us started on that.
I think he's in the space. So I think around Christmas or December we had like the winter brigade. So it was like another cool way of just improving rate guild and Bill Prennery came up with like the ADR.
of consolidating knowledge and having knowledge and information in all different places doesn't really make sense. So we had a hack 'n' D, we had notion, we had clarity, and our effectiveness was used by
small group of people but we didn't really have this place where we could point new members to or where we could just say on a call let's have a look there where we document ourselves so we migrated to to Chambers because we like your holistic
approach of tying up two accounts to the three accounts and just giving it like a notion like feeling because I feel like a lot of people coming into that three have worked with notion and know the touch and feel so to
give them an easier time, you made this transition into signing with the Ethereum really easy and straightforward and still done for them in the deep end. So it's a great tool and it's been used on a daily basis, I think.
Well, we love to hear that. And of course, if there are any other features that you find yourself needing as a community, always drop a line. We love building for our users and hearing what people want. But Ben really broke it down about notion.
Because it does. Charmbers, if you've never been in there, if you're familiar with Notion, it's going to feel just like Notion when you're in there, really. And that's what we wanted. Something that you could just settle into quickly, not a whole new platform that you need to learn. So if you're familiar with Notion,
going to be very intuitive. And then you touched on another point of you were kind of spread out, everything was in different places. And that's another goal of Trombas, right? To just let you have everything in one place. You have a member directory, you have bounties that you can attach to tasks, you have
proposal building tools and you can vote in charmverse or send a snapshot and then we added a forum not too long ago so you can have structured discussions in your community and I know maybe you're not using all of those currently but hopefully you'll start to test more and more of those out the longer you're in charmverse but anyone that has a web3 community
community, a web 2 community looking towards web 3. Definitely check out charm verse because it's a really great community tool. And you can always DM us here drop into our discord or just go to charmverse.io and learn about it. So that's my plug for that. But Ben, how long has
trade guild been around and how did it come to be? So this depends kind of on who you ask again but I think officially since about 2019 when the first ideas emerged and then I think it was summoned in 2020
So it's been a long time for crypto and with free, but it really just feels like a short while. And it came into being, as I've mentioned earlier, that the people behind Dao House
kind of felt like people needed help in building web3 and not just using a dial framework because it might be more self-explanatory than writing your own smart contracts but you know you still need to get started you still need
a little push. So this was the idea behind Great Guild to operate more freely and maybe perhaps also take on other projects that are not within the rammed off. Dow Frameworks but go beyond and deepen to the three and crypto.
I love it. I love it. So I'm curious, what are some of your favorite parts of being a member of a DAO? And it could be red, guild, it could be another DAO you have been or are currently a part of? What are some of it? Yeah, what are your favorite parts of that?
So, you know, starting out in crypto and getting your feet wet is difficult because you stumble across a lot of fraudulent, scammy, shady places.
some point you most likely have lost a little bit of money, you were disappointed by a couple of people and you just feel lonely really and do you think that or at least that was it for me, you feel like crypto is like this place
of like angry, creptop roasts, I don't know, chilling tokens and pulling the rock. And so it's very like, you know, libertarian. But then, you know, you come across Daos and they, I mean,
They're still like freedom loving, but they're not as let's say edgy, not as scummy, but it's it's a collective like you are building a community and you're part of a community. So it is about belonging, it is about you know not
feeling lonely when you open this quote or telegram, it's about seeing friendly faces and being there and building stuff but also having some stability while exploring the freedoms of three provides to not feel utterly lonely.
I like that. Yeah, you're able to kind of find your people in this space that can be overwhelming, scary. I know when I first started to come into Web 3, I was very intimidated. I didn't know what to expect going to my first conference. And like you said, I thought it was going to be all
crypto bros, you hear about all the rug pulls, all that stuff. And yeah, I think having a doubt where you can really find your people and find that community. And like you said, open up your computer and find that friendly face. Or in real life when you have the opportunity, like you
said, "Rade Guild loves to meet up. IRL, when possible." So I like that sentiment a lot. How about some challenges? And again, not necessarily just raid guild, but challenges and things that are still being sorted out in Douse.
So a big part is attributed to like the non-incorporated nature of the house. So most of us are not or have no LLC in the background. They are not incorporated.
and they have members all over the world. I mean, of course, if you look at some dolls or even most dolls, they say a close group of core people working together. So it's not as, let's say, distributed and pseudonymous as
you might expect, but they still a significant aspect of decentralization in Daos. And then making this work like retaining, like being regenerative, just being
there, not just for a good time and a quick gig, but also tying and netting a social fabric that is strong and carries the weight of the community.
Because people management can be messy very often is so you want to make sure that you have the right policies But also the right support networks in place that you're not building for six months or a year, but that you're building
something that essentially is bigger than your DAO and bigger than a layer-to-ecosystem, you know that carries the notion of new work and more opportunities, more openness and less restrictions as we know from the corporate world.
into the future and make it a reality today. So it is about establishing sustainable solutions and sustainable communities that can withstand crises as well.
Yeah, I really like how you're talking about Raid Guild and you know that it sounds like they're just doing their part to support Web 3, helped out, get up and running, working as a community to do so. And the ideas that you've implemented seem like they're working really well.
So listeners again, check out raid guild. If you've been thinking about a doubt, if you are a developer specifically in the sounds of interest to you, go check out raid guild.org. Ben, I am going to let you go soon so I don't keep you all day, but I'm always curious. What brought you into
So, Web 3 or crypto were into this side of things. Yeah, that's actually a pretty funny story because it didn't have to do anything with crypto. So I was researching neoliberalism in Brexit legislation.
So, a very European focused, very critical, and I kind of dabbled with computer linguistics, like natural language processing. And this kind of brought my attention to tax havens.
and how they're essentially this creation of empires, the British empires, they kind of created these small islands to extract more value from ecolines. So I was very critical and, you know, multi, for example,
after seizing to be attacked, saving, coined itself blockchain island. So I was researching it there, how it came into being. So this is how I came across crypto and you know, researched its origins in the cypherpunk movement.
movement and you know, was tracing these very libertarian notions and then I found that three and was so surprised to see, you know, still libertarian ideas which resonate but, you know, more on the community
focused platform. So less about the individual, but more about collective freedom in the sense of, we are free individuals, but we're here to build together. So this stuck with me, and here I am, not just researching it, but building it too.
That's fantastic. Yeah, I love hearing people's stories. Yours is definitely a bit more convoluted than some, but I'm always very curious how people found their way here. And you were just in Malta, right? Not necessarily for, not for raid guild, right? But for other personal stuff that you're
working on. Yeah, I'm in Malta quite a bit because I'm doing my PhD there at the distributor ledger technology center. So it's also a great place, great people. And yeah, I presented some of my research because you know blockchain
or DLTs are not just used by, you know, DAO's, but also states and governments are building with it. And I want to see how they put it to use, even though it originates from, you know, a movement that kind of
distrust or distrust governments. So it's really interesting to see places like Stingup or China that traditionally have been authoritarian trial solutions that originated in a very freedom-loving
ecosystem. And that's why I'm also attending a conference outside of the whole Ethereum bubble. So I'm going to be speaking at the Monarocon and Prague this month. So just to, you know,
keep tabs with the origins of cryptocurrencies and the Cypher. Very cool. Listeners, yeah, definitely to stay up to date on what Ben's doing, make sure you click his PFP and give him a follow. Okay, so before I let you go, what's
Next, what's coming down the pipeline for raid guild? Any alpha you can give us? Anything we should be keeping an eye out for? Yeah, I mean, first of all, we are starting our new cohort next week. So if you haven't signed up on the join us form, please do
and just hop into our onboarding session. Furthermore, we are going to iterate on right of malloc, obviously. We are building smart invoice. So if you are a freelancer and you're looking for a tool to safely get paid, go check out smart invoice.xyz.
And lastly, we're going to meet in real life at MetaFest, so a big shout out to the people from MetaGame for inviting a lot of great guild members. And yeah, so come chat to us wherever you are.
We're going to be at East Prague as well and at a lot of other conferences. So we are keeping the name. Fantastic. You're out there ready to meet people. Yeah, listeners still
time to join that new cohort. Go check it out. Keep an eye out for the new iteration of Right of Molec. Smart Envoy. XYZ sounds super interesting and I'm sure that's interesting a lot of people that are doing freelance work for people and metaphors.
best sounds great. So, raid guild, you can follow them, you should follow them at raid guild. Again, check out that blog post that Ben and I wrote together, tying up Lucens community and the future of work in Web 3 found both on the raid guild blog
as well as charmverse and raid guild. The scent de-central is a decentralized collective of mercenaries ready to slay your web3 product demons. Sounds just like what a lot of us need in our life. And Ben, I really appreciate you taking the time to chat with me today.
Thank you so much for having me. It was a great pleasure and it was also really joyful working with you on this blog post and I'm really glad that we met and hopefully build into the future. I hope so too. Hopefully we can meet IRL one of these days, ideally in Malta.
because I would love to make it over there. So I wish you the best. I look forward to following the journey and listeners. Thanks so much for joining us today. Make sure you check out Raid Guild and give Ben a follow and have a fantastic rest of your day. Thanks again, Ben. I'll talk to you soon. Bye, everyone. Thank you so much. Bye, bye.