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Hello everybody, thanks so much for joining us today. I'm Zandra, the host for the Twitter space and the community manager of Charmverse. So for those not familiar, Charmverse is a Web 3 community platform and it's there to help you manage members,
tasks, facilitate decisions and hold each other accountable. Members sign in with crypto wallets and gain access via community tokens and NFTs and it brings together onboarding payment management proposals, project trackers and data repositories all in one place. So if you haven't checked it out, I encourage
to do so, but not until after the space today. So we are joined in this space by Alexa Mill. You also might know her as Dow Alexa on Twitter. She is a legal professional with a background in tech startups and the blockchain industry. She's passionate about decentralized
autonomous organizations, also known as DAO's, as well as the potential of blockchain and decentralization. So not to mention, she's also a charmverse brand ambassador. So really excited to have her here. Hey Alexa, thanks for joining me. Hey Darren, thank you very much for having me. I'm super excited to
about just talk today. Yeah, I'm really glad. How are you doing? How's your day going? It's going great. Thank you. How much are you? It's going well. It's going well. So tell us first since you're a big Web 3 enthusiast, how did you first land in Web 3?
Well, that kind of happened completely accidentally since I was looking for job change and I was looking for something new, something different. I wasn't sure what I would want to do.
I just wanted to quit my previous role and I applied for a project for a project role like a project manager and you know that was the first time I heard about Dows. I didn't know what that was worth. I didn't care much and then I just got
involved in the project. I started learning about Dao's and I really liked the whole idea of Dao's and decentralization and of course I wasn't about blockchain and crypto but never went into details.
with that with a project is learning more and you know that was kind of like you know one of those moments has happened and they couldn't change your life and that was the
for me and from there on I was mainly focused on thou is helping them establish frameworks for governance operations and since it's a half legal background I hope the oil-survised projects on
on the legal and regulatory matter is I do the high level and more than global level and as I've been involved in this space I had the opportunity to meet some of the different builders and lawyers.
I can like work with both sides and you know, advise and help contribute anywhere I can. I've been involved in a number of doubts and different capacities as a member, as a contributor, as a consultant, as an advisor, as an educator.
as a co-founder. So I've been doing a lot these bases since that accident. Yeah, you really have been doing a lot. If anyone's following you here or on LinkedIn or on your other page,
down today, it's you are, you're kind of all over the place and I would consider you kind of a master of Dows. So that's kind of what we're going to jump into, but I guess if you needed to say what your expertise is, would you say it's really designing the governance and operations frameworks?
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of like my specialty is something that I definitely enjoyed the most from doing and also with the product development and helping to be legal. It kind of everything goes together to be honest because if you want to build, if you want to build a proper governance and upstream, where you really need to understand
what the product is about and what the businesses about and what the long-term goals are. And on the other hand, you also need to understand the community that is supporting that project. And if there are areas where you can help upskill and teach the founders and the team that is in
involved in a daily day-to-day basis, that's something that they all should do. So are you working as a consultant at times for these DAOs? Yeah, I work there as a consultant or as an advisor. That's great. So we're kind of getting free consultant
So you hear about governance a lot of course and it's often a big challenge that Dow has to negotiate. What would you say are some of the most common issues that you come across?
and suggestions that you might have to navigate them. Well, definitely when it comes to the government specifically, I would like you know, as the number one issue that I see is the lack of instantivision for members and contributors
When I would never get in a call with a project, like, you know, the first thing that I ask, so what is your governance, what is your incentive system, and the response I get to that is, well, you know, we have a token, but there are no actual, you know, developed ideas on how you could actually utilize
to incentivize the members, to keep on a contributing and being involved in the project. Another very common issue that happens with the governance is understanding what's hurting type is the best applicable for the project.
what are the risks of each and whether implement any additional mechanisms to, for example, if there is a whale attack, right, like if they were triggered to a different mechanism that happens that can kind of
like with the whale from hijacking the governance and then of course like any illegal and in compliance issues that may arise with governance. So I would say like those are some of the most common issues that been encountering so far and of course like the centralization as well.
Right. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good point. The voting type even just every Dow operates so differently. So what this Dow is doing over here doesn't necessarily make it the right operating style for maybe a smaller Dow or a larger Dow. So I think yeah,
having some guidance and what might be best for that specific doubt. So you, oh go ahead. I mean I just want to say like you know I've been seeing a lot of that like you know well you know it worked for this doubt so it's gonna work for us too. It must probably won't because
the governance is made with a goal to govern that very specific community and the governance should be tailor-made for each and every community so it can respond to the needs. So it's a decentralized environment people come from different backgrounds with
different skill sets, you know, with different knowledge and understanding of dollars and decentralization and also commitment to the project, etc, etc. And that is unique to each dial. So it's also something you can just kind of like copy paste and
I'm also not really a big fan of three click tools to help you launch the governance and then you're a settle. It doesn't really work that way because if the governance of the project is not built out well, well, that could be
instrumental for the project in the longer run. Right, it might lead to people being less engaged if that tool isn't kind of honed. Less engaged and also you know what they're because like after all the governance should actually
support the business model of the project, then we'll know that business model for each network project is different. It's something that you can just have done with the click. It actually needs to be built up and improved over time in the
governance is there to be, you need to keep working and improving governance if you want to actually make sense and support the project longer, longer term and keep the community involved because if the project is failing the community is just going to lose interest.
to be involved. Right. It's not just kind of a set it and forget it thing. It's something that constantly needs to be worked on. It seems. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we just talked about you doing consultation, but you do consultation and advisory services, not just for DAO's, but for lawyers, for other blockchain
based projects as well as web-to-businesses. So what kind of services are we talking about? What does this look like? Yeah, so I help. I mean, my specialty are dolls for sure, but I do not think that each never project can be and should be a doll, right? Because
that really depends on what are the goals of the project. There is an action planned towards decentralization because the fact is that many projects do not want in fact decentralized. If you don't want to decentralize to an extent, you cannot really be decentralized.
autonomous organization. I also helped I'm currently involved in a few gamified projects and NFT projects. So it generally really depends on the project itself, like when I'm supporting with the fund phrase, so basically what I do
there, I helped them prepare everything what an investor would want to see before deciding to invest any money. So the pit back, the data room and preparing also the legal docs and everything. So when
One and starts talking to investors, they have everything, everything in one place. And then another project they support as a legal coordinator. So basically they're, they're a very big dowel and very, very decentralized and they fall on their different jurisdictions and looking to incorporate different entities.
He's some kind of like an active gate there because I fall over the lakes on a global level for $1,000 in crypto assets. So I'm generally quite good with raising any potential LeBrez Flod because I understand how we can mitigate them, have a very wide network of lawyers,
So I connect, collaborate with them and kind of like bridge the two. And you know, for for another project, I'm kind of like developing, like working on the product and leaving the product efforts. So, you know,
really depends on the project but like since I've been doing loads of things in the space and they all intertwine is my kind of like kind of support like a variety of things. Yeah you seem to kind of it's all encompassing you do a lot of things.
from I didn't realize that you're alping people put together like pitch decks to prepare for investor meetings and real that's a big brunt of the work, but I suppose some of these people have these great ideas, but they don't necessarily know how to go into one of those meetings prepared in the way that they should be. So, um,
- Yeah, very impressive. Also, if anyone does have questions, please raise your hand. We're happy to answer some things. I do wanna say anything said today is not legal advice. We're just kinda talking through suggestions or experiences, challenges. So no financial, no legal advice coming through today.
Um, are you currently a member of any DAO's and if so are you are you willing to share what DAO's? Well, I am a member of you. I am working with real change down where it's basically real estate DAO, what we're doing.
We are creating real estate digitalization platform and also working on developing capability for people to mint their home into NFTs, which would facilitate a wholesale process.
and when they both holding all necessary information in one place, I mean, who is from the States probably knows what the pain in the ass is when you're actually looking to sell your home and how much people work and everything you need to do. So what you want to do is to use what
technology to facilitate that process and make it as seamless as possible. Then I'm a member of bankless Dow. I've been a governance coordinator for Billy Goldgill for a few seasons and as of these
I was at this season, I joined the grants committee, so I'm kind of involved in such different things within Banclass, mostly in the governance, on the governance side, and then I'm involved in that. I'm helping
actually launch that gamify project, it's going to be like some sort of more hybrid solutions rather than fully decentralized now and I'm contributing and someone there is free time when I have
Do you get recruited by Daos? It seems like you have so many skills that Daos would be like, "We need her in our Daos." Well, Tabana's like really depends. I was a big fan of Banclas for a very long time until I kind of like, quote unquote,
So I was officially doing it and was involved quite actively this is day one and for the real estate, for real change, I actually met the founder in one of the teacher's spaces and then we started chatting and she asked me to
be on, she has a few startups in a small ecosystem of startups. I joined the advisory board, the regular boards and the other. The gamify project, they
them in as a referral from a partner and then they ask me to stay on with them and stay with the mothers as well. So it kind of like honestly just happens, not that so that's all the things you just rather, you know, no bunch of people in this space and you know, things happen.
kind of happens more organically. So let's talk from your perspective some challenges and some advantages of DAO's. Let's start with advantages. What do you see as some of like the top advantages of DAO's? Well I love the
But the whole premise of decentralization without, because they do bring a very different mindset and different way of organizing and structuring the traditional world that we know today. I'm a big fan of freedom and of having
people and you know people being able to to work from anywhere to build based on what they like and what they're passionate about rather than just be kind of submitted to the office job and have no save in anything happens and I love the
the fact that those focus more on empowering individuals and creativity and the whole idea of the community-based environment where people are in most of the cases very
We were very friendly, open to chatting, to exchanging and stuff and helping each other grow. I've worked in a corporate environment where we worked from home, we could never work in an office.
being involved in those does kind of like came more of a, you know, next natural step as I got, you know, as I learned more about the space. And I think that each and every person should have that ability to work really from
from anywhere and building that more inclusive and more equitable world than we have it today. And the, I'm not a big fan of centralization and
groups of the select few having the ability to decide other projects and other people's fates and decentralization is all about breaking that down. So those are the things kind of like how level what they're like about thousand decentralization
in general, the disadvantages of DAO's, it's kind of like a tricky question because DAO's have so many flaws, but it's not their fault. And we were so early in the development and even though I know
you know, whenever I say that we're too early in the space, you know, someone is rolling their eyes in my comment, but the fact is that, you know, that was the first one was in 2016, but nothing, but they were not as popular
until let's say 21 and back then in 21 you had only around 700 of them fast forward a year later you had over $6,000 and now you have over $12,000
I know. So you have that really big like hyper growth of number of dollars in the space that we know of and those where we don't know off. The problem that happens there
is you know you ask a big question like you know are those projects really a dolls or are they just calling themselves dolls because centralization is really a big issue in the space and most specifically with dolls because
many of the founders see Dow as just another way to, you know, do a quick raise in and out and see the community as piggy banks and not really care about that
community aspect and the fundamentals of the space. And that's one of the disadvantages of the Dal, the lack of education, not many really people understand what the Dal is or where they're about.
And what the actual potential of those is because I don't think we have as many enough you don't have as many examples in the space to really see what the doll is and what the doll could be.
Because many projects are, you know, they're VC funded or they're highly or they rely on one or two people and you know there's all again like you know we create that
personality called that really, you know, we came to this space to kind of like move away from that centralized web to mindset, however, we still look for those leaders.
as an for people to look up to rather than really embracing our own voice and the ability to how they can contribute.
Another disadvantage of Dao is just really the Fountain of Dao's are not really looking at any sort of like a business or revenue model so they can be sustainable longer at them.
and it's often really just comes down to the community investing, which is one strategy, but not the long-term one, because community cannot be investing money
old-time you actually have to build a product, you have to build a project that can make money to sustain itself. Then another issue is, for example,
the lack of creating an environment where people would actually want to stay and work in, right? Because, you know, that was your greatest centralization. It's great, but it's great. We still have bills to pay. And many people who are involved
All of the dollars in Web Through projects in general, can up earn enough money to actually paint the bills and be fully committed to this base. And then we have a bunch of like, religious project that distinct like, that kind of like, stained.
the industry as a whole and that just reflects on everything. It seems like a bit long left. I mean, I think where you started was like, is fair to say, Dows are still so new so it might not be fair
to say like, what are the disadvantages? Because they're really still trying to figure it out, right? And there's so many different models. So we have a long way to go, I guess, right? 100%, 100%, but I think that it's, I also always like to show both sides of the story, right? Like,
We can be like, yeah, dao's, dao's are great. Let's we're all for it. But I think it's important to say, okay, well, we don't have it figured out because there are plenty of skeptics out there. And sometimes the word dao can almost be like a dirty term. People are like, oh, dao's no. We're going to call him in communities instead.
But I think it's important to show what we need to work towards, what we need to do better at. So shining light on those things, I appreciate it. And yeah. So how do we get the word out about Dows? How do we educate people about Dows? I mean, you're obviously out there doing a lot
to work with Dows, but you know you're right. A lot of people don't even know what they are or really why they need to exist. So I guess the question is how do we get the word out and what about Dows would you say would most excite you if you needed to talk to someone that wasn't familiar?
Well, I always give this example of, right? Like, you know, as I mentioned earlier, I was always, you know, since forever, I was working remotely, right? Like from home and people would think that, you know, crazy. How can you do a job from home, not going to the office? And, um, and
And then when a COVID hit, everyone had to move to work from home. And then when it was near, and people just didn't want to come back to the office to work. And you had some really high level positions
within some of the biggest brands in the world with quit their jobs because they didn't want to go to the office and work. And many of those companies actually just did their work policy to accommodate, you know, work from home, work from office, offer some hybrid solutions, it's in that. So
And that really changed the mindset. And I think when it comes to dolls, how dolls can change the mindset is once people really learn what their power as a community member and as an individual with men such as structure could be.
And the fact is that if you compare what if you compare the doubt to traditional legal structure to a traditional company, right, to the main differences that the doubt in a empowers creativity enables an individual to build based
on their skills, preferences, experience, whatever they like is quite often opposed to traditional companies where you just have to do what you're told to do without having much say. And that's one of the things that make people really unhappy.
going to work. And Dows offering debt freedom, Dows offering debt freedom, and once people actually learn and really truly understand that, that's going to be the game changer. Because you know, you would want to be in a place where you
can be creative where you can do things you like, where you can do things you're passionate about, where you can manage your own time around, you know, everything else in your life and not having to commute and being able to connect with people from all over the world, access, you know,
open a blue-blue talent, right? Like you're not constrained to a specific jurisdiction, you can talk probably like on this space where people from all over the world and that really makes you learn about that
community feel about the power of the community and what the collective is a collective could do and not be eliminated and managed by a central authority or a central manager.
not. And I think that's something, you know, when people really learn and understand what the dogs are about and what they offer, that's something that will have more people join and where that when dogs will get that expansion.
And also, of course, when we come up with some business models that they're sustainable and can actually pay the business costs and the contributors salaries or however they call them.
Right. Right. Yeah, I mean, it can be really a choose your own adventure, right? You don't need to worry so much about the full-time job. Like you said, you have that freedom, that creativity, along with the community. Choose where you work, choose when you work, choose what you work on.
I love that. Do you think Dows will be the future of work or how do you think Dows will affect that? I mean obviously we have a little ways to go but... Yeah I mean I think definitely Dows will change. You know there are those who are already changing the future work.
I think I've never had the change in the way we work and they're definitely going to change the future of it. Because, you know, like currently what's happening, you know, we're on the world, like in different countries where you have some, like when they're building like social scores system and
If you cross the red light, yeah, you're gonna get some points deducted. Or like, you know, being threatened that you will have to submit to CBCs and to limitless controls of everything that you do or you do not do.
and other limitations that we've been experiencing in the past years, especially when the COVID hit, that change is just going to come naturally. And once we have been better,
governance systems that have mechanisms that protect the community from civil attacks, from governance, hijacks, real, and wails, from what not, right? Like from everything or a majority of things that have that
can harm the governance and as we have those sustainable business models, it can pay operational costs and salaries like the traditional type of organizations are just going to quite die out, I believe. I mean, I don't think each and every person in this role
will actually decide to go for a doll, far from it, because you will always have people who feel awful comfortable and prefer having an eye to five job, or they just need to come in to the work and get out. And then you have the other type of people who does buncherly like that. So
I think like that the structures will coexist but the talents and the people who really can and know how to innovate will move to dollars or dollar like structures that will empower
we're unable there, their creativity. Absolutely. I think that's a good point. I have kind of a follow-up question. So you mentioned the people that want the 9 to 5, they feel a little more stable in that. Not saying it is more stable because people can get laid off and
any role they're in. But what about benefits? Because you hear that come up, you know, how are people in the States, for example, that's always a big question. It's like, well, how am I going to get my benefits? What are your thoughts as far as people getting benefits through a doubt that they're a part of?
That's a great question and I answered one that was a question on a Twitter space, actually, on some call that they had received such a backlash.
I'm going to like it's I'm not so it's kind of like. I think like it really depends on how you look at dollars right so do you look at it?
them as really decentralized structures or are you looking at them as structures that do enable that community involvement to a very high degree? And also really depends on how you look at it from the legal
So, telling my experience, people say that having that legal draft or having that legal entity is actually centralizing the Dow, centralizing the project, which makes the Dow and Boosit's essence. I do understand that perspective, but I disagree with it.
For the reason that having a legal rapper, having a legal tool, having that legal entity is actually just a tool. It's a tool to legally protect the members involved, the same way that this court is a tool to communicate.
And I will explain that in a bit detail so people don't think of crazy. So generally, dolls are not recognized or type of structures. Do not have any legal identity. They do not
not any, and with that they do not enjoy any type of legal protection. And usually what happens in law is that if there is no existing structure, illegally defined, then we'll look at the one that is closest to it.
In the Dal case, that's a journal partnership. Journal partnerships are business arrangement of two or more people who equally share profits, liabilities and losses. Meaning if there is one bad actor in the Dal who can make any list activities with the Dal assets and the
the dog does not have that legal entity. Everyone involved can be seen legally liable and they can answer with their personal assets, with your car, with your house, with your bank account. Because you don't have that legal structure that actually
that actually protects individuals. So, that legal wrapper that has that LLC or if it's by the law, it provides that limitation of liabilities.
actually provides high level of protection and whether it's centralization or not, I would rather say that the decentralization or centralization happens within the governance and the
operations, not with that legal entity, because if the community operations and governance are not built in a decentralized way, I mean, you know, legal entity makes no difference. And
Why I mentioned this, your question is if you're seeing this, if you see a doubt that only a doubt can be recognized as a decentralized organization, if it doesn't have a legal entity, why it should then pay like these
employee benefits because installing employee benefits or contribute benefits or what not is actually imitating a very typical LLC structure or any other and it's actually centralizing the project. Another issue that may
appear is like if you don't have that legal entity, how do you even actually own board the contributors to the project? How do you do that legally? How do you even legally pay them? Because if I am a Dow and I'm using the Dow funds to pay the
I can choose the wall, I am exposing anyone who is in the Malta SIG or anyone who has the wallet to a variety of legal risks and I am also exposing my contributors to a range of
legal risks because there is no actual, you know, paper or a nut. Anything in place that says that I'm really paying for the contribution of or something else, right? Like, and it's important to remember that in the
when you leave in this interest mindset in traditional law, still applies like you do not. Taxes, right? Like everyone's favorite topic. That's why you need to have those that payment relationship sorted out. So
you don't have any issues with the tax office. On the other hand, if you do have that entity as a legal tool, do you even want to further centralize it by saying, "OK, so I am onboarding officially all these
people and I'm going to pay them benefits. But if I decide to pay them benefits, then those contributors cannot be legally seen as independent contractors anymore, which again, depending on the project, depending on the individuals, may not be really the best option.
I'm generally not in, I've been thinking that thou should be the one carrying out the benefits. It should rather provide good, you know, good reward system. And when I say like reward system, I'm referring to the salary
kind of system where contributors can actually work and earn enough so they can pay the bills and they can pay insurance and whatnot. The fact is that, you know, I don't think anyone in the space works in only one is involved with only
only one thou it's usually several projects or building several of your own how it usually goes. So I think like looking from that perspective is quite sustainable but you know inserting like that sort of like benefits within the thou system would
centralized it even further and then it's really difficult to to quote unquote defend that decentralizing nature of the project if you're copy-based in the traditional structure. That all makes a lot of sense and I hope I didn't just get you in trouble with
people and I hope you don't get backlash for it. But it does all make sense. And I think that's, you know, a topic that I hear come up and I think it was very eloquently put and very rational and logical and no, I really appreciate you breaking that down. I also think it's a good point that people are working in
multiple dows or people are coming and going from dows pretty fluidly. So, you know, how do you manage that? That just seems like a whole nother can of worms. So if we're trying to set people up with benefits. So thank you. Do you consider yourself a decentralization maxi?
Am I just asking all of the terrible questions that are going to get you in trouble?
I mean, I believe in the centralization. I do believe that the future is decentralized 100%, but I'm not convinced that the centralization 100% is possible.
And I think that not each and every project can be and should be decentralized or built such, right? So I'm a big believer in decentralization.
But, you know, I mean, you know, depends how you define the maxi, right? Like, you know, I'm not like a Bitcoin maxi that hates all the rest. Right? Right. And, you know, so not the decentralization maxi that hates, besides it.
But I'm a big believer in, you know, and I preach decentralization whenever I can and wherever I go. So, you know, I'm not sure whether I answered your question, but no, I think there's a time and a place. Sometimes there's a time for more moderation, but you believe in the
potential of decentralization. 100% right? Okay. It's, you know, is the best way to go, but it's not the only way because again, like, you know, we are not all the same and not everyone, you know, can really grasp
I mean, I would get in the college project and be like, oh, those are so cool. And like, indiscentralization is so cool. Like that community, ooh, who
go and then ask you questions and I'm like you know when I hear that like I just know which question to ask is whether well do you understand that with the doubt in the community and decentralization you actually have to give up your power and they're like what do you mean?
Well, you know, if you go to that one decentralization, right, like you have to decentralize that decision making power over time and you know, you're not the only one making all of the decisions or what the project is going to do and what the business is going to do and what everything is going to be about.
And then it's like well, we just want to do that. We'll never mind. Yeah, because like how can we trust others? They're going to make the right decision and this is our idea. And I'm like, you know, scratch myself. I put them right.
what the fuck face is. I know, which is actually my avatar in a way. So why do you want to do the Dow? Well, you know, we think it's cool and we can raise money and that's basically it. But we don't really truly want to do
decentralized and I really think that the people who cannot be decentralized, decentralized the power and really be part of this, I think they should stay out of it. Yeah, because they're harming the environment.
I'm not a man, you know. Take your thing, we're gonna do our own thing, but so not for hours and what we are here. Because we're having a lot in the space. It's unbelievable how many of CO's about us on that. I think more CO's.
In the past few years, like more Dow CEO was then actually Vepto Company CEOs. And that is just bad. Yeah, well that's not supposed to be a thing. Well, that's the whole point, right? Like you're not supposed to necessarily have the CEO. Yeah. Well, you're not.
that is the idea. And then I attended the panel, like I was listening to the speakers and they were like, well, you cannot have the community decide. So you actually have to have high level of centralization. And I'm like, are we on a dial panel or what happened here? Right.
Right, so, you know, I think it's very early. Yes, yes, definitely. Interesting. Well, I'm going to go a little lighter now. I'll stop asking you questions that are going to get you in trouble. I have to let the
audience know about your podcast called Dow Today. You can find it at Dow_Today is the Twitter space. But tell our listeners what kind of content they can expect to learn from these pod podcasts. Well, the practice is about Dow
And the focus is rather on education and what I do is I bring lawyers from the space and the episode there's not as boring as you would expect them as a lawyer. Okay, what you do there is we break down really quickly.
complex topics and the idea is to explain what is happening in the space and whether the potential issues in a very, very easy way. So just about anyone who is getting involved can understand
And see what they can do to kind of like mitigate some of the legal compliance risks and their standard learning about new regulations and how they could potentially affect their project. And the idea actually came from me doing a research.
I'm like preparing the course for the Master's Program on Teaching. And I just found so much to the content from Bows like I was about to cry. And you have no really real education on the topic.
We've been involved in this space for some time. It has done some amazing work. And you will discuss topics on how do you learn a job in a Dow, what are, for example, NFT and IP issues, how to protect your NFTR?
then what their securities and why are securities so shitty and how you can address some of the things then the importance of economics, how to build strong economics, so kind of like basics from people who actually did X.
Awesome. Yeah, so definitely just a wealth of knowledge that people should be checking out and I misspoke. Uh, Alex, it does have another space at Dow underscore today, but the actual podcast can be found at DowToday.io. Yep.
Well, we are running short on time as I kind of expected. So I'm not going to get as much as I wanted to as many questions as I wanted, but I want to give you an opportunity to tell us what's next for you and what we should be keeping an eye out for.
So right now I'm kind of like working on the new concepts of the podcast and some of the new episodes so that's coming and I'll start organizing the series of educational events.
on Twitter as well. And I'll be publishing a series of educational articles on Dow's, for example, an IP, Dow's, Dow legal challenges, Dow and partnerships on to Keynesian. So it's going
to be a lot of learning but easy to read and sometimes funny as well to read content for you know just if we're anyone to learn a bit more about the space and yeah I mean that's kind of like my focus
right now to be honest with you, education and loads of education and I will see where that takes me. I love that. I think we need all the education we can get about this space. Like you said, there's a lot of shitty information out there so you seem to be a great
person to be putting that out. You mentioned that you're teaching a master's class as well. So I look forward to seeing that material that you're putting out into the world. So I want to. Oh, am I here? Can you hear me?
Hello, can you hear me now? Hello?
Yeah, I can back. Okay. Okay. Good. All right. I think I have an issue with my headphones. So I was just saying I think that you're a great person to be doing that. We need more education in the space, better knowledge, better knowledge base. So really,
excited to see what you put out there. Listeners, if you are building a project, if you're looking for help to build governance, find utility or build a Web 3 project, please reach out to Dowlexa. She can help you and
give you a consultation. So please reach out, make sure to follow her tap on that PFP. It's @doulexa_, also follow @dou_today. Listen to that podcast, www.doutoday.io.
And oh, and also, Deluxe and I on behalf of Charmbers will be hosting Twitter events on a monthly basis. So keep an eye out for that. They're going to be hosted on Deluxe's account. So you're definitely want to go into want to give her a follow so you don't miss out.
So nice to have you today. You are a wealth of knowledge and a pleasure to talk to. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so grateful to our spaces and other events we're going to be doing and they all going to be for educational purposes.
it will be bringing different people from the space who have done things and who can offer not device but they can share their knowledge and hopefully as you're someone your questions you may have.
Absolutely. So, y'all and listeners, make sure you're following everyone so you know what's going on. And Alexa, again, thanks so much. Have a great rest of your day. Thanks for taking the time to chat and share your knowledge with us. Thank you. You too. Have a great day. All right. Bye, everyone. Thanks for tuning in.