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Cheers to BTC ATH, What’s Next?
Recorded: July 18, 2025 Duration: 1:14:27Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto leaders explored the recent surge in Bitcoin's price, reaching an all-time high of nearly $123K, and its implications for the industry. They highlighted innovative projects like Suede AI's music platform and Limoverse's health tech solutions, emphasizing the growing intersection of crypto with real-world applications and the increasing engagement of retail investors.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you
well all right all right all right how's everybody doing today thanks for joining in it looks like we got everybody up here on the panel nice and early on time looks like twitter is firing on
all cylinders today so that's awesome especially for about early morning that's to start my day so
it's always exciting to see that happen anyways yeah thanks everybody for joining give us just
a minute as we get all the speakers ready uh we'll start off obviously with a little mic check and introduction uh between some of
these familiar faces and new faces and then we'll just jump right into the heart of today's uh
questions which is surrounding a lot of the movement that's been going on with btc at all
time high so all right with that being said it looks like most of us are up here if not
uh like usual we'll just start up. We'll get going.
We'll answer questions. And if any speaker is late to the game or if they are having issues when they jump in, we'll let them have one or two minute intro.
But for, you know, sake of time and everything, because normally we do have an issue in the beginning, but there's no issue today.
I want to jump into it, get into the heart of some of these questions. So with that being said, Omnity, thank you for coming back,
giving us a round two of your presence and a little bit of your feedback
and alpha coming from your voice.
Last week was a really great discussion.
So definitely glad to have you back.
But go ahead and give us a one minute intro and let us know what you guys are doing,
at least for those that have joined today that aren't familiar with what you guys are doing.
Yeah, there you go. I'm not sure if you're having a mic issue or if it was me. Did you hear me?
Hey, Jim, yes, I thought we rugged you for a moment. Thanks so much for having us.
Last week, we had our head of partnerships, Kim. Today Today I am ecosystem director, Sheldon Deere.
Thanks so much for having us on and having us back.
And yeah, I appreciate the opportunity to join y'all.
Once again, there's definitely a lot to look at.
We can always go soft power geopolitics,
but we can also just check the chain and see a very different one sap per byte
and one sap per byte on Bitcoin.
So there's a lot of different reasons to cover either fundamental, technical, or just any
kind of analysis that we can make up on chain analysis.
And yeah, we're real happy to join y'all one more time.
So thanks for having us back on.
Most definitely.
And more than welcome anytime you guys really want to join in and jump into the conversation.
And I definitely agree. Crypto is so different.
You could be talking about what's going on chain, but just the stuff that's going on off chain can really affect what's going on chain.
So it's definitely good to have a good conversation that covers every aspect of it.
Last week, I'm sorry you said it was one of your other guys, he killed it.
I mean, he had really great knowledge,
really great feedback, so definitely glad to have you back.
You know, you guys back, and then have
another person from the team talking
and giving feedback. That's obviously awesome.
So I always say this between
every AMA I have, or even
some of the close private groups I have,
it's about the team behind it, so having another
great team member of the team come and give their feedback is huge. Because like I would say,
it's all vaporware unless you have a great team in the back pushing it, grinding, and delivering
on the promises. So it's cool to have you here. All right, Suede, give us a one minute intro. I'm
sure everybody here is familiar, but if there is one or two people that aren't familiar with your
platform, go ahead and give us a little one minute intro sure my pleasure and uh thanks for having me back it's it's always uh
always my favorite uh podcast to be on so i appreciate that um just a little bit of an
introduction for those that don't know we have a full stack uh music platform that covers not only music ip we've now expanded to cover all forms of
intellectual property we've got a generative ai model which is good for helping people to get
started if they're not quite with uh don't have a large musical background and kind of discover their own creativity and then you can secure uh ip on chain
we anchor it using chain link um we're multi-chain on solana and base and uh we we're trying to take
on the problem and we're doing it very well so far uh when it gets to scale it's going to be
pretty pretty incredible because in the age of ai, securing IP is going to be more important than ever.
And ensuring we have not only self-sovereignty, but creative sovereignty, which we don't mention a lot because, you know, obviously now that we've gotten um and we'll talk about this bitcoin established i think it's really important that we kind of go up that triangle try to uh you know
get the rest of ourselves you know covered so that we can have true self-sovereignty so a little bit
abstract of a answer but just glad to be here all right it's always awesome to have you here
um and i definitely encourage anybody here that is uh you know trying to learn more about this but just glad to be here. It's always awesome to have you here.
And I definitely encourage anybody here that is, you know,
trying to learn more about these products to at least click these guys'
PFPs and turn the notifications on.
But obviously if you're into music, you're into AI,
I would definitely encourage anybody here to jump on Suede's website,
their platform, and start checking out what they got to offer.
It's pretty in-depth, and these guys are cooking.
Obviously, you guys are here every week, and usually you guys got an announcement almost every week for like the last week.
So, I mean, obviously, you guys have been cooking, doing a lot in the background,
and delivering for the community.
So, thank you for coming back.
Obviously, I enjoy having you here every time.
So, you're always more than welcome.
You always have great feedback and a great conversation to be a part of.
So, all right, Limoverse. I think you're're new for me so go ahead and give us a little intro let's know
what you guys are doing over there let them know community what you're doing over there or what's
best way for them to kind of start interacting with your platform awesome so thank you so much
firstly pleasure for us to be here my name is mohit i'm the Chief Strategy Officer at Lemoers, based out of Dubai.
So, yeah, we're a health ecosystem at the intersection of AI on-chain and health, obviously.
Healthcare is core to what we do.
We've been in the market for just over three years now.
I've been in this space for over eight years.
Now, we've just launched a health agent agent which has the capability of reading your genetic and blood works and giving you hyper personalized recommendations. The AI
is called Maya. It's been trained on over 20,000 medical data of patients that we've had.
It's a much wider ecosystem that we're a part of now We're also entering into the DeFi ecosystem with our health-backed
Crypto global banking system which will have cards, but it'll also give you the opportunity to set up
offshore banking accounts
Backed by also a lot of health institutions that we have partnered on ground health institutions that we've partnered with
So yeah, if anyone's looking to connect our dms are always open
give us a follow and yeah uh let's see how we can we can further collaborate
most definitely very interesting platform uh i definitely love uh you know now that i'm getting
older to really look at my health and really try to understand where i can best you know get get
the best results for uh you know my health and the state i mean i'm
almost 40 years old so it's like i'm not getting younger and i got kids so i want to look and i
want to still be here 20 years later so it's really cool to see someone that utilizing ai
and health and then also the blockchain because that's another thing we do here in the blockchain
is we definitely don't give ourselves enough time to get outside get in the sun get get some exercise
get some get some exercise, get some grasp
between our toes. So definitely cool that you guys are able to kind of mix all that together.
And then obviously build a platform that's going to reward and grow from there. So I'm going to
definitely have to check you guys out because I need a new platform for my exercise and try to
kind of understand AI. So I'll be checking you guys out. Obviously, I encourage other people to
do it, but just for myself and for health, you know, I'm not getting any younger.
So it's always good to find places or a platform, at least that's going to help you, at least on the DNA genetics.
Like a lot of times people don't realize that that's what's a big hindrance.
You can go out and you work your butt off and then see like you don't have results because you're not actually understanding your DNA and your blood.
And so that's pretty cool that you guys got that built out. I would definitely encourage people to check it out.
I'm going to check it out after this AMA. But yeah,
I know appreciate you being here. Glad to have you in the discussion.
And I think it's definitely an important part of the ecosystem that needs to be
mature and developed and really scaled to the,
obviously you guys have been doing it for over three years now.
So that's pretty impressive. So definitely,
definitely excited to see what you guys have to offer and uh and i'll definitely be in touch after this it may see what i can you know kind of value
i can bring to it because i think it's an important cause uh at least in the blockchain because a lot
of times we're just sitting at a chair all day every day and that's not healthy so all right
uh stable gate how you doing give us some one minute intros let us know what you guys are doing
over there either uh it's a lovely day in europe
and gm to you it's great to be here so we present a swiss-based fully regulated on the front platform
designed to simplify your crypto defeat movement with it like any kind of volume you want securely
globally and at scale so our team has launched multiple successful ventures in web 3b4
and fintech. And now we're
coming up with this novel product. I wouldn't say it's new, but this is the gap that has not been
breached yet too many times because we have all these all-time highs, a lot of speculation, meme
coins, but just to or from, say, one Bitcoin, 100k or a buy or sell is pretty hard in Europe alone and pretty much elsewhere.
So if you're looking for a compliant high volume gateway for your project or business,
we work with clients from any country, which is important, including high risk jurisdictions.
And we support all passport types.
So privacy and compliance are the core of what we do. And we provide
reliable rails for this real world money. So you can use crypto to buy anything you want
anywhere, a yacht, a car or a house. We're not here to shield, but to focus on utility
driven collaborations with companies and serious clients that make sense. And excited to talk
about all time high, of course, but
like I said, this gap is
still there despite all this
more than a decade progress in crypto.
One is a safe
harbor to actually
offer AMP crypto. And
here we build a stable gate.
So this is a new project
in our account. We're going to make a lot of marketing
pushes for the upcoming month.
But utility is at our core.
Thank you for the invitation once again.
Thank you for coming.
Very interesting platform.
I definitely, definitely encourage anybody here that wants one more to jump in to StableGate's White Papers,
their platform, website, information that they have available and kind of get an understanding.
I think it's a very unique platform, especially kind of, like you say, bridging the gap that is undeserved or unrecognized almost overall.
The B2B is a great, I'd say, plan to attack for any great project.
But in order to be able to do it in a safe way, regulatory
way, and compliant way is a huge hurdle on its own.
But you guys obviously being over there in Europe, you guys definitely have the laws
already almost infrastructure almost set up for crypto projects.
So it's really cool to see something unique like that that actually offers something to
be able to bring in institutions on chain with a great business solution.
I think
is a huge win for the ecosystem.
Omni, you have your hand up.
Did you want to say something?
Yes.
I halfway rugged earlier and missed the opportunity to intro.
If you don't mind, I'll just pull 30 seconds instead of 60.
Yeah.
I mean, you can round about a full one minute.
That's totally fine.
We got the first half, but either way, just jump back in.
It's not a problem.
Sure, sure.
I'm out in the Bay Area right now, but it's not my usual zip code.
So I'm Sheldon from Omidy Network.
At Omidy, we've been working on cross-chain interoperability for more than four years.
We did our TGE about four years ago, and that was for a different namesake and a different product suite.
go. And that was for a different namesake and a different product suite. But in those past six
years, we've worked on more than 10 different blockchain templates. And two years ago,
we decided it was time to bring all that. We're a sort of two-sided product suite. On one side,
we've got consumer-facing applications like RichSwap, the first open source rune-stex.
Launching later this quarter, we're also going to have Richorti,
which is an ordinal fractionalization and automation platform.
All of this is built on chain.
And then on the other side of the product suite,
you have developer tooling like the on-chain runes indexer,
on-chain ordinals indexer, and Omniti Hub,
which is a multi-chain bridge that operates between ICP, Doge, Tun, Solana, Bitcoin, Ethereum, and many other blockchains.
So that is the super short elevator pitch.
And thanks so much again for having us.
Me personally, I have more than 10 years in the space and more than 10 years in cybersecurity.
So we are a team of engineers and researchers.
And yeah, we're just really happy to be working on open source software and joining y'all once again to talk about Bitcoin app because there is a lot happening on chain.
And that is our core focus is open source software on Bitcoin.
Did we rug again?
No, actually, I started rugging.
I started rugging.
It was actually my Bluetooth was dying, so I had to herb and chuff and grab my other Bluetooth. But no, I heard you loud and clear, and everybody here actually heard loud and clear.
And it's awesome to have you in the Bay Area.
Are you West Coast bay area right now um right now i'm staying in oakland i'm heading out later tonight
my normal home base is miami that's my uh hometown so happy to be supporting some
hackathons there like pleb fly coming up next week and there's there's a lot of different growing um
bitcoin development stuff happening in miami it's just it's starting real's, there's a lot of different growing Bitcoin development stuff happening
in Miami. It's just, it's starting real slow, but there's a community of diehards out there
working on cool stuff. That's awesome. Yeah, no, I'm here in Sacramento, California. I was,
I was born in California and raised native here. So it's just cool to have somebody
over here on the West coast, you know, that's in crypto um but yeah no you definitely
definitely i will say the east coast scene is really huge i mean that's where they hold the
bitcoin conference and everything pretty much every year um so i definitely know a lot of people in
florida and on the east coast that are in it so that's just awesome to see another united states
and the person you know obviously uh flying around and taking care of business but over here on the
west coast not that far from me that's that's totally funny that you're you're over here um in oakland
i'm actually going to oakland in a couple of days so it's really really cool really really need to
see somebody that's out here that and obviously an american that's that's dabbling in crypto and
trying to really bring uh this obviously regular uh unregulatory thing to a regulatory environment
and trying to get it all to mix and work together is is it's just obviously a fast fascinating thing it's the future right so
obviously uh we're all here because it's the future but to actually see someone that's actually in it
in the united states uh working in it kicking butt it's an awesome thing all right well with
that being said i believe we covered everybody's intro. And obviously we have a really big kind of like discussion here today.
But for those that don't know how I run this, I mean, I think there's two people, Stablegate and Limoverse.
You guys don't want to kind of understand how I run this.
Definitely an open platform podcast style.
Don't feel like, you know, you're talking too much or you're interrupting.
you're interrupting. I love it when we have a great organic conversation back and forth.
I love it when we have a great organic conversation back and forth.
So if you have any part of the conversation that you want to jump in, you don't have to hold,
put your hand up or, you know, wait for me to call you out. Just jump in and be a part of the
conversation, make it feel organic. Obviously, if someone else is obviously talking, you just wait,
you know, your turn, you know, be respectful. But all in all, you don't have to be called out on.
If you have any great feedback for any of the questions that I have, just jump right in,
kind of even to cut me off a little bit. If you have, if you don't want to be called out on. If you have any great feedback for any of the questions that I have, just jump right in.
Even to cut me off a little bit, if you don't want to lose it,
you have a good thought in your head and you don't want to lose it,
and I'm just rambling on because sometimes I'll ramble on.
But everything I said, let's start it off, guys.
Appreciate all you guys being here.
The speaker panel, great projects.
Definitely encourage the community here, like I said earlier,
make sure you're turning on the notifications. You're following these guys' Twitters and the TG.
You never know what kind of great conversation you can get, never know what kind of great opportunity you get, and or the friendships that you can make out of the communities themselves.
So I think that's one of the big important things.
But let's jump into it.
Cheers to the BTC all-time high.
we all i mean obviously 120 almost 123k was an exciting time it retracted a little bit but still
I mean, obviously, almost 123K was an exciting time.
staying solid um at a decent new all-time high and we're all excited about that so like i'll say this
is a milestone that brings a lot of attention to us uh fresh capital new energy into the space but
beyond the price of the chart there's a deeper question where is the industry heading what
actually matters um and in this session we're going to be joined by obviously some great speakers to talk about what's going on.
But it's not just technical technology. I am not just not speaking right.
It's not just technically, but culturally or strategically.
This is a group discussion focused on a broader shift and and kind of really bring the conversation on what we all think is going to come in the future with btc and the overall ecosystem so with that being said my first question for you guys today is we've seen this before
mark hit milestones interest returns suddenly everybody moves faster from your perspective
what actually changes in the ecosystem since btc hit the new all-time high do you see any really
big shifts and changes or you guys still kind of waiting for any of those key indicators
anybody wants to jump into that go ahead
yeah i don't mind giving it a start just like get my thoughts off the plate yeah jump right in so
i think more than more than bdc hitting all-time highs it's just about the instances or the
the triggers which has led to this point and it's very important to know what's happening around this time.
So again everyone knows that this cycle is primarily driven by a lot of institutional money.
So which direction institutions are heading, what sort of ETF inflows are we getting.
I think it plays a very very important role.
But something that you said which resonated with me because crypto is
not just about wealth right it's about setting a strong culture culture plays a very very important
role and all the bills which are being passed this morning i saw now in Australia you can pay a mortgage payment using BTC but most importantly like we all live in an attention economy right and majority of the attention is driven by the US so anything that happens in the US it percolates deeply across the globe. recent bill which has passed the genius act now the culture around which uh sorry which has led
to the culture that now everyone in the us now they're also opening a nine trillion or ten
trillion dollar retirement fund which can access to to disc assets now all my friends who are in
the space all the kols and even if you look at the memes the act literally how it's being uh deciphered is anyone who's into crypto has
been classified as a genius the genius act and a lot of meme makers a lot of the people who drive
culture online they're saying if you're not in crypto you're actually a retard because you're
not a genius so by definition you're a retard so now that can create a clear polarization and if
you look at content if you look at politics if you look at religion
Everything if you have a concept which can create a very singular polarization
There are there are players for and there are player against you creating a system where you have to choose one side now based on the macro
Based on the macro circumstances that we have, the situations that we had, and obviously
circumstances that we have the situations that we had and
BTC hitting all-time highs, all this is pushing for all a sane individual, a financially adept
individual to choose the right side, which is to get into crypto.
All the people who are supporting Jim Cramer, all the people who are supporting the bears,
they are getting, either if they're in the financial markets they're getting liquidated
left right center if they're not and if they are out there in any public forum they don't have the
balls to say that you know what i don't believe in crypto or i'm not into crypto so that is the
sort of culture which is roaming or looming around the point when btc is hitting all-time high which i still believe is a huge huge quest for getting retail
like retail interest right because institutions know get to know way before the retail but now
i've seen moms and dads and taxi drivers cab drivers asking like do you own this coin do you
have this coin this is a sign when i usually get a little wary because
uh like how or what i've learned is like money can either be created nor be destroyed it can
only be transferred from one wallet to another right and that's what we say internally but uh
u.s is still printing debt right center the debts are reducing the value in the u.s bonds are
increasing because now they're planning to back it by BTC.
So all these macro factors, I think, are playing a huge role. And the more I read, the more I enter this rabbit hole, the more excited and interested I get. So at this moment, I'm still very, very,
very optimistic. At the same time, I'm still holding on, holding very close to my bags,
still yet to take profits. I'm not sure if it's a if that's the right
decision or not but i'm going to stick with it i'm going to take it on my chin and yeah this is
these are my opinions i've been reading a lot so i just like warm it a lot of my opinions on the
plate and and set the tone for the space yeah i know that's great insight i can chime in there
yeah well once one second actually it's just a little saying that because he brought it up
but now definitely glad that you want to jump right into that.
But I remember last bull run.
I told everybody, if your mom, your neighbor, your gas station attended, if you're one of your good friends, start talking about Bitcoin and Ethereum.
Sell. Take a profit.
Because then you've peaked.
They've hit everybody they possibly can that doesn't even know
about crypto and they're talking about crypto but this bull cycle is so much different it has been
up and down to a point where i know so many people that don't know anything about crypto and they're
asking me questions they're into crypto they're downloading their first wallet they're they're
buying doge for for god knows what reason probably because if someone marketed it to them you know
and i think once that starts to happen,
at least prior, I used to sell.
I used to be like, all right, take your profits,
hold on for the long run.
This will be my third bull run.
So I'm attuned to it,
but it's so much different than it ever was before.
And now I'm holding on to my back
because every month, every two months,
it's something parabolic happens
and it drives a narrative and BTC hits a new all time.
Ethereum catches up and makes me know it trickles down to some of these other great platforms
that I like, cause I'm an underdog person.
I have so much of avalanche.
I have so much of all these other smaller chains that I believe are going to have their
moment.
And before, by the time it would have hit, maybe probably by the summer I would have sold most of my bags besides you know the core of my support bags to take
my profit but this bull run has been so much different I've been like saying
maybe 15 or 20% profit of taking out this entire time and which is unheard of
for myself because I obviously this is my full-time job but it's been so good to
watch BTC no all-time highs you see ethereum
start to come back to a great floor um and then obviously the trickle down effect from there all
coin season is on its way and it's because of what btc is laying the floor now um i'm sure i'm sorry
whoever i cut off uh there a second ago but go ahead and jump back in uh and and join the conversation
and then stable gate it looks like looks like Omni's jumping in now
and then as soon as Omni's done,
you can jump right in, okay?
All right.
Yeah, I'll keep it relatively short.
I think there's two interesting metrics
that can inform the current state of BTC all time high.
One of them is the past 12 months
of mempool fees and activity,
which have been going to offer turn and inscription
data, things like ordinals and runes. There's some other meta protocols floating around there,
like alkanes and BRC20 tokens. But in the past year, there has been a much, much larger number
of institutions taking action. And institutions do not need to take action on chain. They work
with custodians. They work with people who are not necessarily moving on chain Bitcoin into their wallet.
They are paper giants. So it's important to recognize that while there is a completely
valid sort of explanation for ETFs as a layer two, on the other side of that, what you get
is that the mempool is being propped up by these sort of unwelcome DGENs that are working on runes,
ordinals, and other meta protocols. Bitcoin has not been friendly to these kinds of extensions
of Bitcoin core, even if they are completely onto the Bitcoin L1 by themselves. This is a normal
cultural thing on Bitcoin. But at the same time, if you look at the other side of that coin of,
you know, the sort of operations in the mempool, you can also see that the cost to mine a Bitcoin versus the current price is at one of its biggest gaps in history, which means there is a potential for institutions to soak up capital and then manipulate the price of Bitcoin down and bring it back up.
So the bet that they're not going to do that is that there are too many institutions getting in across too many verticals and too many jurisdictions.
And I think that's also a reasonable point.
On the retail side, the second metric that I wanted to call out is that American credit card debt is actually at its peak higher than 2008.
debt crashed and Bitcoin was ultimately born as a result of that crash, there was a magnificently
high amount of debt that was incurred thanks to policies developed, thanks to the canceling of
the Glass-Steagall Act, which was designed to segment banking risk and prevent the sale of
those sort of re-harvested mortgage-backed securities that were cut up and split up and
then resold as different types of debt products. So if you look at these two factors combined, what you can see is that
although we're at a new all-time high and institutions are continuing to get in, the
opportunity is widening for price manipulation to push the price down, to bring opportunities for
people like MicroStrategy and the US government and other large holders of
Bitcoin to manipulate the price, maybe not by selling, but by moving some of their holdings
into an alternate sort of legal umbrella. So there's a lot of room for creative action here
from institutions. And it's important to recognize what happens when we go on an institutional run,
which means that there is fewer people who are actually controlling the coins.
When we go on a retail-based run, when we go on a run of the people,
those people are less likely to dump.
They're more likely to hold through one year in order to see profits,
and they're more likely to see profits between two and the four-year mark.
So I think there's a really reasonable argument here.
If you look at on-chain data and macro
financial metrics, you can see that Bitcoin is at its all-time high, but also there is a
sort of maximum pain index that you could build yourself that says, hey, there's reason to sell
for some people. There's lots of Bitcoiners in profit, but also institutions don't necessarily
care about that. They're playing the long game.
Great insight there. Stablegate, go ahead and jump in.
Yeah, awesome points. I'll keep it even shorter.
I think the price is louder, sure,
but what has really changed is the tune, and we moved from, like, is it going to be real
or how big this can actually get in the coming years?
Suddenly all hedge fund bros, they're called Web3 founders, visionaries instead of scammers
like they used to do the last two bullruns.
And family offices are poking around Telegram like some tourists.
I mean, for the first time, infrastructure is actually ahead of the hype,
what we see in Europe, and there's actually scalability.
Bridges don't always break.
I mean I have seen a lot of broke bridges across different ecosystems and we're
trying to make a bridge which actually works in both ways and even regulators
aren't just panicking. They try to engage. There's a micro regulation since the last
year in Europe and it's not really good it's not a sandbox anymore but we're trying
to level up for this regime and make it more accessible for people both in the eurozone
outside of eurozone so the floor is higher now you know just this feeling when it comes to crypto
and of course uh we're seeing the usual all tokens trying to rise from the grave influencers doing their victory labs and uh yeah beneath
all that the industry feels heavier let's say more real like uh somebody just turned the simulation
setting from what it used to be like arcade to career mode so crypto is becoming sexy yeah like
i said there is a huge payments problem, let alone just off-raps.
I read a report dating back last year.
It said like more than 2 billion people globally,
they're on bank, they cannot use crypto.
When it comes to crypto, to tax-savis users,
it's hard to off-raps big amounts.
Like you capitalized a lot.
You've been holding for like 10 years, 5 years, whatever.
And you want to off-raps, you buy some real world stuff.
So it's not like impossible, but it's really hard to do in most jurisdictions, which are not computer friendly.
And there is a gap we try to bridge.
We have similar projects, but there's not something we see a lot. We see a lot of hype and AI is cool.
Yeah, it is helping.
It will help us to redefine the landscape.
But we actually need to fix infrastructure problems.
Yeah, that's it for sure.
No, I definitely agree.
I think DeepPain was a huge win for us in industry.
And it's really shifted a lot.
But there's still so much more to go, you know, with the technical hurdles that we have compared to Web2 to make Web3 the priority platform for people to utilize.
But it's definitely like I kind of agree there.
It's definitely way ahead than it was a few years ago.
It was the Wild West a few years ago, and now it seems like we're starting to get much more,
less barbaric here and much more civilized
in how we understand financials
and how we utilize our own investments
to better benefit us and our family.
And even the blockchain itself,
obviously the more that the legit retail
and crypto users use legit platforms and stay away from a lot of those other platforms,
they start to die away and there's less opportunity for scammers to get you, but they'll always be there.
But it's definitely shifted a lot in the recent year compared to the last bull run.
So I definitely agree with a lot.
You said there's a lot of sentiment there, but we still have a long way to go on the design side,
on the UI design and user interface.
I think it still has a little bit to go,
but I mean, there's still a lot of you guys making waves.
I mean, there's platforms here that impress the crap out of me.
I never expected Web3 technology to be so fluid and seamless
and actually on top of Web two to where you don't
even feel that it's web three but you're utilizing all the great features so i like i said there's a
there's a lot of great technology but there's still a lot more room to go before we are kind
of the the go-to stable place for everybody and to be a part of at least in the web three style
so um and that kind of brings me over to one of my next questions and that's
kind of talking about the cycle.
So compared to the previous cycle, the conversation around crypto feels totally different.
And I know a lot of us, you know, in 2020, the idea of where we would be at now was unheard of.
We never thought our technology, the deep end AI, even our W space would have grown as fast as it did.
It's been amazing to see the technology really push forward. And it's definitely not the same just overall ecosystem that it was in the last bull
run um but what's one shift you've noticed and and how people think build and participate in the
ecosystem and i want to get you guys a lot of builders a lot of founders i want to get your
kind of understanding on how you guys are adapting to the difference in this pull cycle compared to the previous bull cycles yeah so i'll uh jump in here i think you know really we're standing on the
shoulders of giants so to speak um i know that a lot of things that we do uh were ideas for a long time, but just technically weren't possible. So the evolution of what's
actually capable allows us to kind of open up all these potentials that we didn't have previously.
And like you mentioned with RWA, we're seeing a ton of pain points being resolved, such as putting and tokenizing real world assets in
the form of gold and things like that.
What we see that's extremely unique with intellectual property and really intangible
value is it's so easily digitizable.
And so having the rails and having the foundation for RWA and then anchoring it with intellectual property, that's something that I'm sure a lot of people have wanted to do for a long time.
And it just wasn't possible.
We benefit from a lot of the work that's been done, and it's opened up a myriad of possibilities for us that I think none of us even thought could be.
And just keeping up with it, honestly, with the evolution is a full-time job.
So very, very happy to have all those options.
And, yeah, it's something that i've benefited massively from and try to
leverage as much as i can yeah you've benefited from it and it's rolled down to your community
and your platform for sure definitely definitely uh i agree there that you guys you i will say
that you guys have been around from the previous bull run so now the landscape is totally different
uh the the the cycle was similar
but just the way it rolled out was so much different and those that from previous ones
that did not expect everybody expected to be massive boom it was been crazy for two or three
months and then everything was going to slowly kind of dwindle down over time but really it's
just carried on and i think a lot of had to do was great builders building for the future there's
nobody really wanted to go anywhere else uh especially those that are in crypto this is our home i wake up every day and i read my
notifications i'm in chats i'm this is where my world is so as that world grows and gets better
and there's more to offer i think that that's one of the huge wins compared to this cycle in my eyes
the previous cycle we have way higher retention levels that we ever have before and uh the the products
that are offered uh nowadays are thousands of times if not more than what we were seeing in
early 21 and in 2022 so definitely agree with that sentiment a lot anybody else want to jump on that
i just like a couple of points here i think from last cycle because
i was actively building and if you look at the nature of the last cycle
we would primarily be focused on utility projects and we'd have our
you know your your usual hacks once in a month
some project will rug and all the attention will go there but still if you
look at from from a very zoomed out microscope,
all the capital was clearly focused towards impact.
There was a very strong correlation between capital to impact.
Now, this cycle, primarily the capital is shifted to attention.
The mapping is not capital to impact, it's capital to attention.
Now, what do I mean by that?
We have rugs by the minute
There are platforms which are supporting these practices
I'm not sure it it does act as a very
Why why why West off of the crypto where we have the likes of your your bonk dot fund your pump dot funds where I?
Know for a fact there are agencies who are offering rug as a service
as one of the packages that how can you actually create this now if those platforms weren't created
were all the builders be still building actual utility projects and would we have an ecosystem
where the capital still be primarily focused towards high impact products now obviously with
the with the infusion of ai everything's become very very easy right to launch something
Or to build something but if you if you
Peer through if you look through the nooks and cracks
You will see if it's a solid product or not which was happening very very meticulously crypto Twitter was at
At its most critical self
Last bull cycle any product which was launched it was always built
in public there were so many founders who were trying to make this a better much better space
primarily from driving an impact point of view right which i feel this season has been there
but that levels of critique i have not seen and obviously the the liquidity gets shifted between
this fragmented right it's fragmented across multiple layers and every layer has now some
sort of a reputation or an image to take care of which I think wasn't there all the chains
last bull run was primarily for building cool products which which will drive some sort
of mass adoption towards that chain and
Holistically towards the entire crypto ecosystem, but this time I think it's the it's the cool chains the the
Utility chains like they have termed themselves accordingly
Which I have seen one of the core reasons to be there
at least for this second, uh i just want to like i
missed out on sharing something on on my previous thoughts there is there is one tool that i use for
tracking uh macro factors and i would suggest i would i would drop that uh it's it's if you go
to coinglass.com slash uh peak indicators for bull market it's bull market peak signals they have a list of 30 parameters
which which is the first thing i check every morning what we have hit what we have not hit
and when is the right time to actually sell at the top it will really help you in terms
of understanding what's happening macroscopically in the industry so yeah
yeah and you might actually get catch some. I think that's something that people don't realize.
You can be the greatest trader, you know, getting early, but not knowing when is the best time to trim some profits out.
It's an important factor. So having a platform that can help you kind of identify that at least at least some of the pain, obviously you always still, you do your own research. You still, it's still going to be your decision, but having a tool that can help you at least navigate the,
the take profit scene, I think. And that's a lot,
a lot of people kind of get kind of kind of understand it's, you know,
taking profits a very healthy thing. It's just doing it right,
doing it correctly and doing what's benefits you the most without hurting the
overall project. I think it is a great way to,
to kind of make sure that you're earning in the
ecosystem because obviously your investment needs to grow and if you're just buying and then they're
they're always either staying stagnant or not going anywhere or when the pump happens at 30
you're thinking it's going to go more and you didn't trim at least 15 of your bag you know
the only one you can blame is yourself so having a great tool that you you know you can find that
can help you navigate your trading is awesome.
Omni, I see your hands up.
Did you want to jump in?
Yeah, I wanted to cover a couple of items of my perspective here.
Number one that didn't exist last cycle is Bitcoin meta protocols.
And the other is regulation that could actually accept them in a more retail friendly way.
regulation that could actually accept them in a more retail friendly way. So I think dog is a
really great example, the rune on Bitcoin of how far we've come and what it's like to start a meme
and for it to really become meaningful. Because when Leonidas created that coin, he did not set
it up as a profit system for himself. He set it up as a community concept to sort of rally on the
creation of runes.
And that took some time to go through different centralized exchanges and talk to them and
say, hey, look, I can't just show up and be this big liquidity provider.
But if you look at the blockchain, you can see there is not one person here who is truly
the whale who will rug.
That kind of balance between the new legal compliance stuff that is
being offered in the United States and that kind of review is really exciting to me. I've been
watching the Australian jurisdiction to see them be a little bit more nuanced about how they
assess and analyze crypto projects in general, but they've been mostly focused on EVM and not on
Bitcoin meta protocols.
So when you look at the sort of combination there,
you're looking at a gap in the runes market, which is a lack of runes runes trading for stable coins.
You'll notice that ERC-20 tokens really, really took off
when you had the ability to trade two ERC-20 tokens together,
especially when you had two that were, let's say, USDT
and USDC. So we're seeing that now come online on runes. We're very proud that our open source
runesdex rich swap is the first place where you can do those kinds of arbitrage swaps under $1.
And we think that makes a lot of sense for folks who want to trade back and forth
between those Starknet stablecoins like USDC and more streamlined stablecoins that have
liquidity balancing them out from the Stacks ecosystem like USDN or USDH.
So there's this balance of Bitcoin beta protocols that didn't exist in the past,
which means you've got a high-trust blockchain offering tokens on top of it with a
pre-accepted Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is already built into law all around the United States.
And on the other side, you've got more of that being enriched by happenings in the federal
government, some of which could be reversed by a Democratic president coming up next,
but the majority of them, which really can't be reversed and have already been set in motion sort of permanently. Yeah, then that's some great insight. No, I definitely agree that overall,
you know, look off the macro look of the ecosystem is an important look in judging which way you're
going to kind of make your investments. But especially as the United States finally opens
up some regulatory oversight.
I think the world is leading in that fact. I mean, not only did we see El Salvador for years now gobble up the Bitcoin and I mean, look at them now. I mean, they were laughing at them. I remember
what, three years ago when they bought it at like 55K and then it dropped again,
all the way down to like 15K at one point and they were buying more but who's laughing now at all-time high 122k the the profit margin they got on the whole uh uh you
know buy over time and hold it's really benefited el salvador and there's been many countries after
that just leading the way and you know yeah united states being the leader kind of of the global
kind of i don't know overall sentiment for even crypto and set the
tone now that we're allowing for our own reserve being built the genius act passing or getting to
a point where it's fully passed I'm not even sure where it's at right now I gotta do some more
research on that overall but just that alone has helped our entire ecosystem bring new investment
new growth and I think that's what's setting the tone now.
So definitely agree there.
There's still a lot more room to go, but we're right at the kind of foot of the next really
big wave.
And I think that we're all here kind of talking about it.
I think that's going to be the big catalyst for the overall ecosystem, for us at least,
to be a much more stable investment place where mom
and pops are talking about us where people are advertising us uh all over regardless if they're
in bitcoin or not um i think that's kind of the move we're in but yeah i definitely love you guys
inside on the macro this i to tell you truth i'm learning a lot just listening to you guys so i
hope my community here that's listening is learning a lot because this stuff indicators I don't even use that you guys are introducing me to that.
I'm noticing how powerful they are just kind of understanding where the momentum is, where the flow is going, where the sentiment is.
But ultimately, kind of understanding why the money is there and kind of like kind of understanding, will it stay or will it trickle down?
I think that's kind of where I'm always kind of on the fence trying to understand, especially all coins have been suffering this season versus BTC.
BTC has been on fire.
So I can't wait for BTC to kind of cool off and the altcoin season to really take off.
That's kind of where I'm at right now, looking at the signals.
But even then, like what you guys are telling me now, I'm learning so much that it's going to help benefit me to kind of understand where my next moves are.
So I definitely encourage this is just one last time I'm'm gonna say to you guys before we do end it out that to make sure
you guys are following these speakers here following their projects turn those
notifications on you know learning about what they're doing because ultimately
these people are at the forefront of shaping the future of the next you know
bull run coming in and the next four years the future of the next you know bull run coming in the next four years
um the next projects that are coming out you guys are the founders of really great products
so i definitely encourage you for the fall but with that being said with the the lack of time
here and hours just not enough for these digifinex digi talk uh we're definitely not to start pushing
these at two hours not checking i'm not gonna keep you guys here for two hours but it's just so much
to talk about it and so much alpha in my eyes that I don't want, I don't want people missing out on what great
conversations, great information and alpha you guys are bringing. But I have one more last
question. I want to talk to you guys and looking ahead, what's one signal or change you believe
could quietly shape the next phase of the industry? We talk about BTC, but you know,
their dominance does not have the same, I'd say pool that it did in the last
couple of bull runs.
So kind of want to get your idea on what you think other than the BTC all time
high would be the next kind of catalyst that will help shape our industry.
You guys go and jump in.
This is the last question before we jump into any closing statements.
Don't you guys all jump in all at once?
Did everybody hear me?
I don't know if maybe I cut out or anything like that.
I just want to make sure, especially just kind of getting your last thought on what you guys think can quietly change the industry, obviously, as BTC is moving.
You guys know the macro play a lot,
but I kind of want to, and obviously it's not financial advice. Everybody does our own research,
but just in your opinion, what you think is going to be what helps shape the industry
as we kind of move forward. Go ahead, Omni. I see your hand up.
Yeah, I'll take it. There's a core of interoperability that we've had at our company as a focus for the lifetime of our company.
And that focus being reverted back to Bitcoin means that these silos of liquidity between Ethereum-based blockchains, Rust-based blockchains, Bitcoin, all that stuff does not need to be so siloed.
I think one to two years ago, we were looking at, oh, God, it could be so terrible if Wormhole did it again.
You know, we all have our different stories about why bridges go wrong.
Our bridges are like client based bridges.
So we do not have these big pools of money sort of waiting to be exploited when someone makes a smart contract mistake.
But there's still a much wider world of liquidity in Bitcoin and in crypto that has been kind of narrowed to its cultural
self. And I think we're seeing the end of that on two fronts. One is just crypto exchanges in
general, because they are being more friendly to fiat and being more friendly to multiple chains.
You can talk to integration teams at centralized exchanges. They've been a lot more sharp. They're
doing a lot more. They're a little bit more sharp. They're doing a lot more.
They're a little bit more flexible than just, hey, what Ethereum chain he won.
And also it's interoperability because there are a lot of great DEXs out there.
Thor had its moment and a lot of that stuff was great. But Thor's secondary product is what had problems. Thor's DEX is still working very well. We support the Osmosis DEX with bridging for Doge, Bitcoin and a few other assets. You know, there's a lot of growth on multi-chain DEXs that are also very, very mindful of the security that is being stacked together.
that it's not just institutional money that's coming in.
The velocity of that money is increasing
because it has more flexibility
to interoperate between different chains.
So I wanted to touch on that briefly.
No, that was a huge insight.
Definitely appreciate that comment there.
Stable, I saw your hand first before Limoverse,
so go ahead and jump in
and then we'll jump over to Limoverse.
Yeah, thank you.
I'll be honest, the list is long,
but Walletux is still, I think, a dumpster,
firing most ecosystems.
The governance is tough and a cosplay.
When it comes to interoperability,
half the britches we see,
they feel like, I don't know, trapdoors.
So if I had to easily,
the most dangerous bottleneck is coordination.
We have the tech, but we don't have the teamwork.
And too many protocols have seen that they work inside us
and too many builders chasing the same problem in parallel,
refusing to collaborate because of talking politics or tribal ego.
And there's we lose momentum, there's we bleed talent.
So I think if the space is going to mature,
it doesn't matter which strat is most hyped up
right now, it needs to stop acting like there's a science fear and start acting like it's
a supply chain, which is supposed to be.
And again, scale innovation without coordination.
Right now we're still duct taping the rocket ship mid-flight.
So I love cross chain projects, I love on-off ramps, but too many
projects pursuing the same idea and you know 80% fail. Like we've been in the stablecoin industry
for years and we've seen that 90% of them failed over the next six, seven years because of lack
of regulation, the funds, most projects just want to sell tokens. For example, we don't have a token.
We don't plan to launch one.
We want to help you move tokens, any tokens.
And hopefully this is going to be a positive shift and positive example for the industry
for years to come.
I definitely agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.
I definitely agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.
Limoverse, go ahead and jump in.
Limoverse, go ahead and jump in.
Yeah, I think a couple of points that I'd want to base my opinions on.
One is obviously regulation, right?
I think we're moving to a phase where things are getting regulated from a lack of regulation.
But at the same time, knowing the industry, it's a global industry right it's global programmable
money that we're talking about so any regulations that will be said cannot be just state focused or
country focused it has to keep in mind the entire global standards right so that's what calls for
for for smart regulation we also run the risk of over-regulating certain things which can lead to innovation dying down
which is is not good for us obviously so potentially when we move forward we need to
have like a very seamless as well as increasing gradual increase of of entities which are
integrating uh your your centralized as well as decentralized to create hybrid models which
Keep in mind both
centralized and decentralized protocols to ensure like from a compliance point of it
It's very easy to set up businesses run businesses
Which meets not just a demand what the crypto market needs, but also like it creates enough
Scope and quest for innovation to keep
thriving that is one which i'm very very bullish on the second bit is adoption right i know millions
and billions around the world who hold crypto but they don't use it they they don't have we don't
have one singular app where crypto is working or blockchain is working seamlessly apart from the d5 audits so everything is currently very
very focused on d5 so potentially a global ecosystem or a global app where it's very seamless
blockchain is integrated on the back end people are getting to know the importance of owning their
data managing their data along with managing their money i think these are the the things that I'm very very optimistic and bullish on which could eventually shape
the next phase of this industry and drive adoption right because more than
the the pumps and the dumps what everyone wants across different realms
is more and more adoption if we use if we're able to help if we're able to bank
the unbanked if we're able to help, if we're able to bank the unbanked,
if we're able to help the people who don't have access to health or wealth through blockchain,
I think that's the sweet spot that we're looking for in this industry. So yeah.
I agree. And I think one important thing to add to that is user retention. You know,
we can have a huge, massive retail global come in, But if we can't hold at least 15 percent of those people coming in, we're kind of just right back where we're at before.
And when we do have another big explosion, there'll be less people wanting to come in because they already were tuned to it on the last big explosion.
And they kind of like put a bad taste in their mouth.
You know, I think if you're not prepared for crypto, you will you will get eaten up real quick.
And the same thing happened to me when I first got into crypto.
I took $500, turned it into Ethereum at that point, and I educated myself with it.
I wasted it.
I told myself, go burn this $500 on understanding how the blockchain works, how transactions work, how buying a token and selling a token.
And I wasted money to do it, but it educated myself because at that time there was no education out there. There's no documents
out there. But even now there's so many people that there's so much education at their forefront,
but they won't pay attention to it. And then they'll get into crypto, they'll lose a few
hundred dollars or a thousand dollars and be like, oh, this is not for me because they're used to the
web two world where they put some money in a bank and the bank handles it all. And they get a tiny
little trickle down from it. Cryptos needs to be educated that you're taking away the middleman
you are the power of investment but it also the opportunity of it allows for you to uh be able
to engage in things that you'll never been able to gauge with from ai to uh you know deep end to rwa
and investments can just constantly be very lucrative but if you're not understanding what
you're doing it could be a mess and then that what happens is the user kind of just leaves the
ecosystem because they're, they kind of like, you know, like cut their losses at where they can,
and then just go back to their regular life. So I think that having a great opportunity for
retail to come in, but then figure out ways to keep retail in, you know, the retention there, entertain their attention.
Then them actually wanting to learn more,
I think is the biggest thing that we need to really work on because you can
have great products,
but if a person doesn't understand it or how to make money,
they're just losing, they're just going to leave.
And I think that's where our last bull run kind of got affected the most
because we had so much attention in 2020 with entities, with the,
with the meme tokens, with how easy it is to be onboarded finally centralized
exchange popping up everywhere and at that time even being able to be in the United States before
all of the hyper regulation happened in 2021 and 2022 for those centralized exchanges I think that
opportunity was huge for us but we we definitely kicked ourselves in the butt by not being able to find out ways to keep those user base in and growing with us, you know, going from chain to chain, going from season to season, kind of how we do, you know, following the liquidity.
No one understood that.
And I think that's what we need to focus on, in my opinion, that's going to reshape the industry, Bitcoin and all the alt season and all coins, you know, in the future.
Yeah. No, well said, though limo was really well said just another thing because you mentioned that i think
all of us who are who are here from the last at least more than five years of the last bull run
we all call it the tuition fee right of of entering into crypto what we have spent or gotten scammed
or lost in a bridge or some
honeypot like we've lost some amount of money to get educated so in in the startup ecosystem what
we call the cost of acquisition for a customer i like to call it the cost of believing in crypto
i've spent almost like 800 000 in terms of learning the hard way that you know but the
benefits of that is i i got the belief very very early on right so I was
I was able to maximize my gains so that metric over a period of time if you're able to reduce
that if not everyone loses 500 maybe a 50 dollar or 60 dollar to learn and believe in crypto I think
that's also a very very good indicator for us that we're heading in the right oh yeah and I agree I
mean look you you go, in the regular world,
in the web tool world, you go to school, right? School's going to cost you $15,000 a semester
to add a real university, you know, and that's just to learn. And then you're going to do that
for a couple of years, just to get something, piece of paper, say, hey, I learned this and
it cost me 200K to learn it, you know? And so in crypto, you know, if you lose $1,000 to learn it,
that's the cheapest education you could ever get that's the cheapest university you can get with the highest opportunity for you to make some
massive returns and i think that that's how i educated myself i said like i've been to college
i you know i've owned property i've owned housing i've had great businesses i've done a lot
but it costs so much money in order to actually have any of those succeed and in crypto is the
one place like i'm saying you could take a hundred dollars and go to the you know b&b chain base chain solana chain and go burn that
hundred dollars on 20 different projects learning how you know to to utilize that that product and
educate yourself but that right there is the cheapest university you can go with the highest
upswing the technology that's growing here the people that are here uh you know the opportunities
that are here are immense.
Like even myself, prior to being a host on this right here or even in crypto alone, I was a project manager and helped finance for a construction company.
And I got out of that, got into crypto full time. And I've never looked back and I'm happy to be here.
And I think that is what the type of type of motivation and that we need to be able to translate to
those. The reason why we're here,
the reason why even though we've been scammed for thousands of dollars and
in this industry and it's headache and stuff,
we're still thrive every morning to wake up and get on a computer and look at
our finances or on a computer, look at our wallets,
look at what's going on in the industry, the news, the training.
It's, it's, it's something that once you're involved,
you just become more involved and more involved every day.
So, yeah, we definitely have some work to do.
And it looks like we are at the top of the hour.
And I don't want to hold a lot of you guys up too long.
And there's a bunch of community members here that are probably waiting for the juicy red packet at the end of every AMA.
So with that being said, we're going to jump into closing statements.
Really appreciate the conversation here with you guys today.
It's been awesome.
I've learned a lot.
My brain is literally full of knowledge. I can't wait to get out of here, start getting into my chat,
GPT, ask any questions, and then jump into you guys' platforms and just continue from there
because you guys were awesome today. But with that being said, I'm going to
go ahead and start off with Omni. Give us a one-minute closing statement. Let us know
where we can interact with the community, what's the best way for our community to kind of get in
and checking out your platform. Thanks so much for having us. So we actually closed our discord. If
you find our discord link, you'll see that it redirects you to an app called open chat. That's
oc.app. That is an on-chain chat. And that's where we've been doing most of our community building.
That's where we've got technical support for our bridge, technical support for our on-chain
runes decks. And that's where we'll be talking about the newest features coming to that on-chain
runes decks, which is the first of its kind. It's an open source swap product. So like I was
mentioning before, those swaps are going to be available for stable coins for the first time
for runes below $1. There are other places in Bitcoin where you can swap runes to runes,
but you usually pay closer to $5 for each swap. Even now with the mempool of five sats per byte,
transaction fees are still below $1 for most swaps. So we're really excited to bring that
sort of thing to the runes industry, but at the same time, keep an eye out for the launch of our on-chain ordinals indexer and also the ordinals fractionalization and automation product that's
going to be launching in the next 90 days or less. So we're hoping to bring more liquidity and more
interest to Bitcoin meta protocols. We've been doing that kind of work for quite a few years
now in the background, but we were doing other interoperability work and you're welcome to use
our products whenever you like. It's all open source on chain permissionless and that means
if you like our work you do not need to get a partnership from us you just need to try out the
tooling and if we see that you're using it we're happy to support y'all so please give us a try and
let us know if you have any questions about our work thanks for having us
awesome awesome i definitely love anybody that is utilizing the Bitcoin ecosystem and ordinals.
I was a huge ordinals fan when it first came out a year and a half ago.
I can't remember, two years almost.
And everybody was talking about it.
I had bought me a little ordinal, thought I was all special.
So definitely glad that there's an ecosystem that is building out the Rune Network.
These guys are doing really great over there.
I'm glad that you guys are supporting them and supporting the btc infrastructure overall you
know that ecosystem definitely needs to get a boost and it's much more than a store value it's
proven itself as store value best security but now it's time to open it up a little bit and let it
have some fun in the industry like the altcoin so all right suede uh everybody like i say everybody
is very familiar with you but
as always if there is any one or two community members here that that doesn't know where to meet
you guys or where to talk about uh you know the community app be it join you know the platform
kind of the conversation just let us know call to action whatever you guys are doing over there
and best way for the community to kind of join in on the conversation
certain i'll be uh brief so this uh x account would probably be the best place to get any sort of updates.
We just opened up staking, and currently APY is around 200%, which obviously is substantial.
We've gotten, I think, half a million dollars locked in a couple days, over 10% of the supply,
so very encouraging.
But yeah, suedeai.ai
or, you know, like I said,
our X account, linktree.com slash suedeai.
But yeah, this would be the best place, I think.
Always short and swiple, love it.
Yeah, if you're definitely interested in AI
and you're definitely interested in music, make sure you guys are checking out Swede AI.
A really great platform. I keep plugging you guys because I love your platform. I go to your website like every day checking it out.
I'm not huge on the music part, but I listen to a lot of the stuff that you guys are doing over there and I'm a part of the community.
So I definitely encourage people to jump in there, be a part of the community and support great teams omni here great team jump on their community and
i think it's fascinating that they they developed or or using a newly developed uh chat system i
think that web3 needs to to to renovate and actually bring better quality products than us
as a web3 native product using web2 products to enhance our Web3 experience. So that's very impressive.
I forgot to comment on that, Omni.
So, all right, Limoverse, go ahead and jump in with the last minute closing statement,
you know, call to action and where our community here can join in on conversation with your
community.
I think the best way is to follow our X account from which I'm logged in.
I think we're very active.
We share a lot of updates out there
but we recently released our AI health agent so you can just upload your blood reports if you've
done your genetic test you can upload that as well. It's going to give you hyper-personals
recommendations. We will also have Limo Vault in the future where we will be rewarding people for
storing the data health data on chain but this year is very very important for our roadmap
we're going to be launching a super app we're going to be launching our generic testing kit we're
going to also launching our entry into into the d5 world as i said that with your health-backed
crypto debit cards and offshore banking it gives you a gateway to global banking
all regulated with compliance so yeah it, it's a very, very
important year for us and we're
very, very excited for that. You can follow
us and stay tuned. Thank you.
Thank you, man. Appreciate you coming here.
Alright, StableGate, same thing. Let us know
the best way for our community
to jump in on a conversation and
support you guys.
Thank you. Feel free to follow this account.
It's an old account, but we've been in an OTC business for like five years. So we're going to ramp up the marketing
next month and going to have a lot more news. We have a Discord, a Telegram, and of course,
a Medium channel for some updates and actually industry explainers on why OnFrams is truly
needed this year. So it's been a great time and feel free to invite us next time. Have a nice day here.
Most definitely. No, definitely. You guys are all invited to come anytime you want.
We'll definitely be letting you guys know. We have really great discussion.
You guys really killed it today.
So I would definitely love to have a round two discussion with the likes of you
guys here about, you know, the industry and what's going on. A lot,
a lot of information here, a lot a lot of information here a lot of macro
look which a lot of us don't really understand as much as we should we're always looking at what's
going to move now what's going to move in the next 15 minutes what's going to move today but
understanding how the entire ecosystem works together moves together is is an opportunity
that most people don't understand and they're going to miss and so definitely great conversation
with you guys today so i I appreciate you guys' time.
I say this all the time, you know,
I wouldn't have a community here if I didn't have great builders like you
guys building great products to come here and talk to them.
So I appreciate you guys' time.
Like I said, you're more than welcome to come back anytime.
We have these conversations every week.
This is, I think, like number 29 Digifinex.
So we're almost at 30 DigiTalks over here with Digifinex.
So all in all, we appreciate you guys over here at Digifinex,
the hard work you guys are doing,
and then coming and giving feedback to the community.
And community, we love you guys here.
Obviously, the builders wouldn't be building great products
and pushing it and coming here to talk
if it wasn't for you community members,
literally week on week coming in and showing your support,
jumping in these products,
and seeing really great teams kind of build stuff that is revolutionary.
So with that being said, I thank all you guys, community members, for joining.
But at the end of every DigiTalk, I have a little token of our appreciation from us,
and it's a red packet.
So if you're not familiar with the red packet,
I encourage you to download the DigiPhinx app, do the level one KYC,
add 10 USDT deposit to that account, and you are qualified for all future red packets, including this one.
You have plenty of time.
And let me get the code up real quick so that I can say it properly.
I don't want to miss out.
One second.
All right.
So the red, of course.
Oh, I started rugging for a second there.
I'm back.
All right.
So the code is BTCATH25.
That's BTCATH25 or BTC all time high, but it's all acronymed out.
So BTCATH25, that is your code.
Make sure you save it.
You have plenty of time to uh download the app get
that level one kyc and and do that deposit for your red packet you won't miss it promise you guys
appreciate your guys's time and as always from digifinex it's not financial for not
financial advice you do your own research you always stay safe in the space but i always say
make sure you are paying attention to the builders of every product uh that you can if you can't get
get in touch with the builders or understand what the you can. If you can't get in touch
with the builders or understand what they're building, in my eyes, that's more riskier because
in my eyes, everything is vaporware. Everything is just promises until you have a team that's
actually delivering and hand on hand, just like, and I will gloat about them all day,
but like Swade AI that's coming in week on week, they've been developing, they've been cooking
almost every week for the last couple of weeks.
They had so much alpha, new announcements and all these products here.
They're all developing, all been cooking in the industry for many, many, many years.
And that just shows a testament of what they believe in, the hard work that they're doing.
But ultimately, that's where I personally put my money in is the founders, is the people.
personally put my money in is the founders is the people um i learned that from working with hedge
funds and vcs um that the builders the there are more important than any product if you can get
yourself a great builder uh a visionary they're going to push that even when they're back against
the wall um to make sure that their community does well and that their product as well so i always
encourage people to make sure you are checking out we have great teams here with the founders
here with their speakers here with marketers here, but really highlighting what they're doing.
So make sure you guys are following these guys, turning notifications on.
But ultimately, for the best way for you to understand what they're doing is just jump on the platform, get an understanding of what they're doing.
You never know what kind of tool set that they have that's going to add to your portfolio or just an ecosystem that's going to make it work.
Every day is much better for you to join. All right. Well, thank you guys. I appreciate your time. We love you guys over
here at DigiFinex. We will continually have these DigiTalks. So you guys are more than welcome to
come back. We'll let you guys know. And community members, you guys are awesome. Love you guys so
much. You guys keep on DMing me, asking questions. Let me know what you guys feel about industry.
It just encourages me to continue going and it really feels good
So with that being said this is probably my second longest digi talk
Going past the the one-hour mark. It's it's great
Don't even realize you're having this kind of conversation, but I don't want to hold you guys up
So thank you guys appreciate it and until next time always always stay safe in the space talk to you guys later
Bye-bye in the space talk to you guys later bye
